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Demissionary Prime Minister Mark Rutte has been in office for thirteen years. It is unlikely that he would want to leave a legacy of aligning with the PVV's election program, as he aspires to top positions in the European Union or NATO. This could have consequences for his future, as some in Brussels believe that if the VVD were to form a coalition with Geert Wilders, Rutte's chances of becoming NATO's top leader or holding a position within the European Commission would be jeopardized. Therefore, Rutte's future prospects are at stake.

The speakers discuss the political situation surrounding Geert Wilders and the PVV. The first speaker suggests that if Wilders had participated in a debate, the other side might have won, and expresses frustration that “nothing happens in the Netherlands” right now. The dialogue turns to the nature of democracy within the parliament, with one speaker insisting that the parliament is “super democradig” while implying the PVV is not. The conversation questions the democratic legitimacy of the PVV, reinforcing that one speaker is not a member of the PVV in the traditional sense. A key point raised is the claim that there is “not a democratic club” for the PVV, contrasting their approach with the broader parliamentary system. The other speaker counters by noting that they are a member of the faction, not the party, highlighting a formal distinction: “Not of the party, because there is but one person and that is Geert Wilders himself.” This statement emphasizes a centralized leadership structure and suggests that the party’s organizational breadth is limited to a single figure at the top. The exchange also touches on the hypothetical impact of broader party membership, with a suggestion that if the PVV could assemble more members, it might be argued to be more democratic. Despite this, the speaker indicates that they will refrain from pursuing that argument in the current discussion. Throughout, the speakers grapple with how representation and democratic processes operate within the Netherlands’ political landscape, especially in relation to Wilders and the PVV. The dialogue conveys a sense of urgency and dissatisfaction about the state of politics, underscored by the assertion that a debate or more widespread participation could have changed outcomes, in contrast to the stagnation they perceive in the present moment.

Speaker 0 reflects on whether they would have wanted a third term. They mention a hypothetical scenario where they could have a stand-in, someone wearing an earpiece, while they stay in their basement and deliver lines. This way, someone else would handle all the talking and ceremonial duties.

The speaker expresses disappointment that the prime minister announced his decision to stay on only 18 hours after being asked to reflect, a process expected to take until October 28th. The speaker believes more reflection is needed. The speaker questions the group's next steps, noting the lack of a caucus process to remove a leader who doesn't want to leave. Ultimately, the decision rests with the prime minister, but the speaker is disappointed by the quick turnaround after many urged him to step down.

The speaker questions the legitimacy and purpose of the person they are addressing, stating they had never heard of them and that nobody in Europe had either. They ask who voted for this person and what mechanism exists for the people of Europe to remove them, implying a lack of democratic process. The speaker accuses the person of intending to be the "quiet assassin of European democracy and of the European nation states" and suggests they loathe the concept of nation states, possibly because they come from Belgium, which the speaker calls "pretty much a non country." The speaker acknowledges the person is competent, capable, and dangerous.

Speaker 1, the potential prime minister, would immediately close the Dutch borders to people from Islamic countries who do not adhere to Dutch laws and values. However, forming a coalition with other parties who do not share this stance poses a challenge. Speaker 1 also expresses skepticism about climate change, believing that humans have minimal impact on global warming. This viewpoint may hinder coalition-building. The speaker mentions other parties that could potentially form a coalition, but emphasizes the difficulties in finding common ground. The speaker also highlights the behind-the-scenes maneuvering that can occur to prevent the largest party from leading the coalition. They predict a similar outcome in the Netherlands.

Speaker 0 notes that Trump used the Davos stage to demand Greenland back, warning allies to back off or face massive tariffs, calling Greenland “a piece of ice.” Speaker 1 says the goal is a piece of ice for world protection; the U.S. could have kept the land but chose not to, giving Greenland a choice to say yes and be appreciated or no and be remembered. Greenland is reportedly protesting in the streets, saying “hands off our country.” Speaker 0 adds that Trump has struck a deal framing a future agreement on Greenland and the Arctic, posted on Truth Social, stating that based on a productive meeting with the Secretary General of NATO, Marruta, a framework for a future deal with respect to Greenland and the Arctic has been formed, and that tariffs scheduled for February 1 will not be imposed. Speaker 2 challenges the claim, noting NATO doesn’t own Greenland, and questions whether Marruta can make such a deal. Speaker 0 continues the exchange, joking about not wanting a Met Gala, and suggests the post hints at the U.S. taking control of Canada as well because of Arctic interests. Canadian Prime Minister Carney responds by saying Canada will invoke Article 5 and support NATO to protect Denmark, with Denmark also unwilling to cede sovereignty following the framework. Speaker 2 adds that two people are deciding the fate of Greenland, and another participant begins to speak. Speaker 0 provides population context, saying about 57,000 people live in Greenland. Speaker 0 then mentions Putin’s response, quoting a brief remark that he’s “kinda behind this idea.” Speaker 2 notes Ravasi’s commentary and asks for a referendum, which Speaker 3 says would give Greenlanders a semblance of deciding for themselves, though it’s unclear how such a referendum would impact broader strategic interests. Speakers turn to Ralph Schulhammer, who is in Austria, to assess European reaction. Speaker 3 says Trump’s rhetoric in Davos was “very Trumpian” but contained carrots as well as sticks: he highlighted ancestry, support for a strong Europe, concerns about migration and energy policy, and suggested that Europe must strengthen itself to be a true partner; otherwise, the U.S. may retreat. The discussion acknowledges sentiment that Europe’s elites tend to frame issues as global rather than addressing national needs, with Speaker 3 arguing that policy-wise there can be shared interests, but communication strategy differed from Trump’s approach. The panel considers whether Greenland’s referendum would matter, noting that many peoples pursue autonomy but that Greenland’s outcome would not necessarily alter large strategic interests. They discuss historical precedents of land acquisitions and acknowledge the Greenland dispute sits at the intersection of Arctic strategic interests and great-power competition, including China and Russia’s activity in the region. Speaker 3 emphasizes that the future of Europe should be anchored in defending European territory and citizens, not only global agendas, and critiques the perception that Europe should always prioritize global issues over internal concerns. In closing, Speaker 0 references Macron’s overture to meet in Paris, noting Trump’s remark that Macron won’t be in power much longer. Ralph Schulhammer is thanked for his insights, with recognition of his Hammertime podcast.

Speaker 0 reflects on whether they would have wanted a third term. They express a desire to have a stand-in, someone who would wear an earpiece and deliver speeches while they stay in their basement, casually dressed. This way, they could still have control over the content but avoid the public speaking and ceremonial aspects.

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if he is a PVV Member of Parliament, and Speaker 1 confirms. Speaker 0 says he recognizes them all, to which Speaker 1 agrees. The interviewer then asks about Speaker 1’s ambitions for the next four years, but Speaker 1 says he will answer later. Speaker 0 notes that Speaker 1 is high on the list and again says he will be told later. The interviewer mentions that Speaker 1 was described as “the new talent shaved,” and Speaker 1 responds that that will go well. Speaker 0 remarks that he hasn’t noticed it yet.

Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 would serve in a cabinet under Geert Wilders. Speaker 1 responds that they don't see it happening because they believe the Netherlands needs a leader who can unite the country and lead internationally. Speaker 1 also doubts Wilders' ability to form a majority. Speaker 0 confirms that Speaker 1 will not join a cabinet under Wilders, to which Speaker 1 agrees, stating that the country deserves a leader for everyone. Speaker 1 believes Wilders' leadership would not be beneficial and emphasizes the need for a leader who can handle crises and promote economic growth. Speaker 1 also mentions that if Wilders were to win the elections, they would go into opposition.

Speaker 0 reflects on whether they would have wanted a third term. They mention a hypothetical scenario where they could have a stand-in front person while they stay in their basement, casually dressed, and deliver lines through an earpiece. They express that they would be content with someone else handling the talking and ceremonial aspects.

Speaker 0 is asked if they wish they had a third term. They respond by saying they would be fine with having a stand-in who would wear an earpiece and deliver their lines while they stay in their basement. Speaker 2 interrupts and tells everyone to ignore the person in the earpiece. Speaker 3 mentions something about getting Republicans elected. Speaker 4 says the person speaking is not recognized. Speaker 5 reminds everyone not to engage in personal attacks. Speaker 1 repeats their earlier statement about having a stand-in and being fine with it.

Rishi Sunak, a politician, has decided to backtrack on some net zero timelines in order to grab headlines from Liz Truss. He claims that since the UK only emits 1% of total carbon emissions, there is no need to do more and bankrupt the British people. However, the important point to note is that he mentions the risk of losing the consent of the British people. This tactic of presenting a bad idea and then pulling back is commonly used by both sides of the political spectrum. The speaker emphasizes that the British people were never asked for consent regarding net zero measures. They argue that net zero is questionable and that COVID has transitioned into climate lockdowns.

Speaker 0 notes how a protest has suddenly morphed into a movement aiming to topple an elected government, calling it a revolution. The agenda they are waiting to advance is for President Kenukovic to return to Brussels and sign the association agreement (AA). They state: “We’re here from America.” They emphasize the importance of signing the AA, arguing it would put Ukraine on a path to a stable and predictable business environment that investors require. They assert, “The free world is with you. America is with you.” They refer to themselves as “I am a litigator.” They warn that “it would be a huge shame to see five years’ worth of work and preparation go to waste if the AA is not signed in the near future,” urging to “finish the job.” Speaker 1 mentions active involvement in what’s been happening in the UK. Speaker 0 expresses a view on government formation, saying, “I don’t think cleats should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea.” They designate Yadze as “the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience,” and note they are not going to comment on private diplomatic conversations. Speaker 1 calls for the protest to stand peacefully against tyranny and asks the Ukrainian government to demonstrate strength without resorting to violence, emphasizing the importance of dealing with peaceful protest.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the possibility of forming a government. Speaker 1 mentions that Mrs. Jesus said they will not be ruling, but Speaker 0 clarifies that she meant they will not rule under a Wilders-led government. Speaker 1 adds that they may consider supporting but not participating in a cabinet. Speaker 0 questions if Mrs. Jesus was clear on this, but Speaker 1 believes she was. Speaker 0 suggests that they should have a serious conversation with Timmerman, potentially leading to a coalition with the VVD. Speaker 1 thinks Speaker 0 is jumping ahead and clarifies that they should at least have a conversation with Timmerman. Speaker 0 emphasizes the importance of not excluding any party, except for a coalition with the PvdA. They discuss the differences between parties and Speaker 0 rejects the notion that they are comparable to the PVV. Speaker 1 agrees and clarifies that they did not make that comparison.

In the Netherlands, the political landscape is different, which may affect the agreements made at the summit. It is uncertain how the new government, with a potentially different stance on climate change, will impact these agreements. The formation of a new government in the Netherlands is typically lengthy and unpredictable, so we cannot know the exact outcome. However, the current government's approach to climate change will be continued, and there seems to be strong support for it.

Demissionary Prime Minister Mark Rutte has been in office for thirteen years. It is unlikely that he would want to leave a legacy of aligning with the PVV's election program, as he aspires to top positions in the European Union or NATO. This could have consequences for his future, as some in Brussels believe that if the VVD were to form a coalition with Geert Wilders, Rutte's chances of becoming NATO's top leader or holding a position within the European Commission would be jeopardized. Therefore, Rutte's future prospects are at stake.

Speaker 0 is asked if they will be running for reelection in 2026. They apologize for not hearing the question properly and ask for someone else to speak up with a different question.

Speaker 0 mentions that someone is only focused on NATO and not interested in the Netherlands anymore. They discuss a recent European debate about dividing land, including with Ukraine. Speaker 1 talks about countries that have lost wars and territory, mentioning the loss of land in 1938. Rutte was sharp during the debate. Translation: Speaker 0 notes someone's focus on NATO over the Netherlands. They discuss a recent European debate on land division, including with Ukraine. Speaker 1 mentions countries that lost wars and territory, citing the loss in 1938. Rutte was sharp during the debate.

Mark Rutte, the former prime minister, has been appointed as the secretary general of NATO. The speaker claims Rutte ruined the country by flooding it with immigrants, destroying the economy, and targeting farmers. The speaker alleges Rutte bought his position in NATO by spending billions of taxpayer euros on Ukraine and constantly hugging Zelensky. According to the speaker, Rutte, not even in office for one day, stated that Ukraine should be part of NATO and that its path to membership is irreversible. The speaker believes Rutte is determined to drag everyone into World War 3 and is a threat to society and the world.

BBC's Laura Kuensberg interviews Boris Johnson, who feels a duty to advocate for his beliefs after his role in Brexit. The interview appears staged, with comments suggesting a close relationship between the two. They joke about their interactions resembling a date and imply a past romantic encounter. The conversation is light-hearted but also hints at a deeper connection between them.

The speaker joked about wanting a third term, suggesting an arrangement with a stand-in who wears an earpiece. The speaker would then deliver the lines from their basement while the stand-in handles the talking and ceremony. The speaker then stated they would take one last question, after which they would be in trouble. They mentioned needing to address the full Obama agenda of building back better. The speaker repeated the idea of making an arrangement.

Speaker 0 asks what you are here to talk about, says “Thank you very much,” and asks, “Any votes in the prime minister?”

Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, has been in office for thirteen years. It is unlikely that he would want to leave a legacy of aligning with the PVV's election program, as he aspires to top positions in the European Union or NATO. This could have consequences for his future prospects. People in Brussels have already made this connection, suggesting that if the VVD were to form a coalition with Geert Wilders' party, Rutte's chances of becoming NATO's top leader or holding a position within the European Commission could be jeopardized.

Speaker 0 expresses a desire for a third term and suggests the idea of having a stand-in who would wear an earpiece and deliver speeches while they remain in their basement. Speaker 1 dismisses this idea, while Speaker 2 mentions the goal of getting Republicans elected. Speaker 3 reminds members not to engage in personal attacks. The conversation repeats, with Speaker 0 reiterating their willingness to have someone else do the talking and Speaker 1 dismissing the idea again. The transcript ends with Speaker 0 expressing their acceptance of this arrangement.