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There are people who do not want to comply and get vaccinated, and we have to get them vaccinated. Hopefully, they will do it willingly. If not, there will have to be things that will essentially put pressure on them. For example, you're not going to work in this particular agency or institution, or go to this college or university unless you get vaccinated. Once we start doing that, you will see more and more people willingly get vaccinated.

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Dutch summary: De spreker streeft naar zoveel mogelijk gevaccineerd, en ziet overtuigen als beste methode. Hij noemt een macro-methode: 'Als miljoenen mensen hun verantwoordelijkheid nemen, en als miljoenen mensen zeggen: Ik doe dat om mezelf te beschermen en om de mensen om me heen te beschermen, dan je op een bepaald moment wel aan iedereen zeggen: We vragen u ook wel uw verantwoordelijkheid te nemen.' Verder pleit hij voor beleid met een vaccinatiepas of maatregelen: 'wie niet veilig is, kan niet zomaar in het openbaar leven rondlopen' en 'de vrijheid van die persoon brengt jou vrijheid, namelijk jouw gezondheid, jouw mogelijkheid om gezond in het leven te kunnen staan.' 'In gevaar, ja, dat kan je niet aanvaarden.' English translation: The speaker aims for as many people to be vaccinated as possible and sees persuasion as the best method. He cites a macro-method: 'If millions of people take responsibility, and if millions say: I do this to protect myself and to protect the people around me, then at some point you should tell everyone: We also ask you to take your responsibility.' He also endorses policy with a vaccination passport or measures: 'those who are not safe cannot simply walk around in public' and 'the freedom of that person brings you freedom, namely your health, your ability to live healthily.' 'In danger, yes, you cannot accept that.'

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We will collaborate with provinces and territories to implement vaccination certifications or passports for safety. The federal government will fund the creation of privileges for vaccinated individuals, as it is crucial for everyone to get vaccinated. Those who choose not to get vaccinated pose a risk to all of us.

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The speakers discuss how those who push a certain narrative in public are often deeply committed to their beliefs, willing to manipulate and deceive to promote their ideology. They mention enforcing testing and vaccination requirements, threatening consequences for non-compliance, with the goal of increasing vaccination rates. They also suggest that proof of vaccination may soon be necessary for various activities, like work or education, to encourage more people to get vaccinated.

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The speaker suggests distinguishing between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Another person questions this, arguing that it infringes on human rights and that new variants have little impact. They present data from the UK to support their point. The first speaker emphasizes the importance of maximizing freedom for vaccinated individuals, especially for travel, as an incentive to get vaccinated. The second person accuses the first speaker of having ulterior motives, mentioning their connections to the pharmaceutical industry and past controversies. They strongly oppose the first speaker's involvement in public health and the protection of rights. The first speaker concludes by stating that vaccination is the path to freedom.

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The speaker emphasizes the importance of getting vaccinated and states that it is a personal choice. However, they assert that unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed to travel on planes or trains with vaccinated people, as it poses a risk. They emphasize the need for strong decision-making in this regard.

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Mijn doel is zoveel mogelijk mensen te vaccineren. De beste manier is hen overtuigen, maar ik kan ook de macro-methode toepassen: als miljoenen mensen verantwoordelijkheid nemen en zeggen: 'Ik doe dat om mezelf te beschermen en om de mensen om me heen te beschermen', dan kun je op een gegeven moment tegen iedereen zeggen: 'We vragen u ook wel uw verantwoordelijkheid te nemen.' Dit betekent: gebruik maken van een vaccinatiepas, of zeggen: 'wie niet veilig is, kan niet zomaar in het openbaar leven rondlopen' en zeggen: 'het is voor mij vrijheid, maar de vrijheid van die persoon brengt jou vrijheid, namelijk jouw gezondheid, jouw mogelijkheid om gezond in het leven te kunnen staan.' In gevaar, ja, dat kan je niet aanvaarden. My goal is to vaccinate as many people as possible. The best way is to persuade them, but I can also apply the macro-method: if millions of people take responsibility and say: 'I do this to protect myself and to protect the people around me,' then at a given moment you can tell everyone: 'We also ask you to take your responsibility.' This means: make use of a vaccination passport, or say: 'who is not safe cannot walk around in public life' and say: 'it is for me freedom, but the freedom of that person brings you freedom, namely your health, your ability to live healthily.' In danger, yes, you cannot accept that.

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I have no resentment towards the unvaccinated, but we can still expect something from them. We have all made sacrifices for so long, with restrictions on contact, gastronomy, and businesses, as well as the financial resources we have invested. I believe that we can ask the unvaccinated to accept a nearly side-effect-free vaccine that is scientifically undisputed. I see myself as old-fashioned in this regard, in the tradition of enlightenment and the duty of Kant. If everyone were to think this way, we would end up in chaos.

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Nous défendons le vaccin et la nécessité pour les soignants d'accepter les règles de protection collective. Ceux qui refusent vont à l'encontre de l'éthique de leur profession. En les laissant de côté, nous montrons notre soutien à la majorité qui respecte ces règles. Si nous exemptons les non-vaccinés, cela causera de la colère et de l'incompréhension parmi les professionnels de la santé. Notre objectif est de protéger nos concitoyens et d'anticiper les réponses à l'épidémie. Merci. Translation: We defend the vaccine and the need for healthcare workers to accept collective protection rules. Those who refuse go against the ethics of their profession. By leaving them aside, we show our support to the majority who respect these rules. Exempting the unvaccinated will cause anger and misunderstanding among healthcare professionals. Our goal is to protect our fellow citizens and anticipate responses to the epidemic. Thank you.

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Vaccination will always be a choice, and there will not be a two-tier society. The idea of a vaccination passport should be approached with caution, as it may create implicit pressure. Companies or organizations cannot enforce vaccination. There should be no indirect vaccination requirement, and no disadvantages or advantages for those who choose not to vaccinate or have already been vaccinated. People should never feel compelled to prove their vaccination status, and it should be legally impossible to use it as a requirement. Voluntary means voluntary, and it should not become mandatory through other means.

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Millions of people have received their first vaccination, including those under 50 with underlying health issues. The speaker believes that showing proof of vaccination or a negative test should allow people to enjoy activities like going to the theater or watching sports. They think it could also encourage more people to get vaccinated. When asked about compulsory vaccination, the speaker doesn't want unvaccinated individuals near them and suggests they stay at home. They believe the government has an obligation to keep the majority, including 15 million pensioners, safe.

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Speaker 0: I ask all citizens to hold on a little longer. But until everyone is vaccinated, there will be no easing of restrictions, that is not the path we are aiming for. Speaker 1: Yesterday, you said that as long as not everyone can be offered a vaccine, there will be no new freedoms, we are talking about old freedoms. How do you plan to keep the vaccinated, let's say, in check, so that they don't start traveling, meeting up, or partying again? How long do you intend to enforce this strictly? Speaker 0: Well, I was asked about the wrong word, which I have already used, privileges, you didn't mention that. Because we must not get used to the normal life, as we know it with other freedoms, that life is no longer normal. That's where we want to go back to. These are fundamental rights that everyone has. But at the moment, even if someone is vaccinated, it is not clear whether they can still infect other people. And as long as that is not clarified, we cannot have any special measures or rights in addition to the normal rights for which the wave of lawsuits is demanding, and they are right. Look, there are now many lawsuits from people who want to be vaccinated in the highest priority group. There are lawsuits about the fairness of the measures. There will be lawsuits about the question of rights for the vaccinated, that is part of the rule of law and as politicians, we must argue why we are doing something, why we are not doing something. I believe that if we have been able to offer vaccination to a large number of people later on, and then some people say, we don't have mandatory vaccination, now I don't want to be vaccinated, then maybe we have to make such distinctions and say, okay, if you don't want it, then you may not be able to do certain things. Speaker 1: Chancellor, you explicitly mentioned the 21st of September yesterday. By then, there should be a vaccination offer for everyone. That is, if you look at the calendar, five days before the federal election. That date was not a coincidence, right? Speaker 0: Look, that is the meteorological beginning of autumn.

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Speaker 0: Wat is er nu? Cresanter dan kerstfeest en dat zal niet gaan. Nieuwjaarsfeest, zal niet gaan. Dat is toch geweldig? Je kijkt er naar uit om samen te zijn. Dat zal niet gaan. De kleinkinderen, grootouders, familie. En dat is dood, dood jammer. Speaker 1: Op een bepaald moment moet je eigenlijk zeggen: de blok erop. Speaker 2: Verder zou ik er ook nog willen wijzen dat het geen zin heeft voor mensen om een masker te dragen wanneer ze in de straat wandelen. Je kan het virus niet krijgen door gewoon straat te wandelen en lucht in te ademen. Dat is onmogelijk. Speaker 1: Als 70 procent van de bevolking gevaccineerd is, is de hele groep beschermd. Speaker 2: De eerste resultaten zijn nu duidelijk in Israël aangetoond. 12 dagen na uw vaccinatie ben je niet meer besmet. Speaker 0: De grote meerderheid van de patiënten die wij nu opnemen zijn gevaccineerde mensen. Speaker 3: De patiënten die wij in GZH nu op intensieve hebben liggen, ik heb het gisteren nog nagekeken, die zijn eigenlijk allemaal gevaccineerd. Hoe gaan we dat controleren? Wat gaan we doen met mensen die regelrecht weigeren om dat te doen? Gaan we ze in de gevangenis gooien? Gaan we hen onbetaalbare boetes geven? Dus het is een verhaal om daar eens intellectueel over na denken. Speaker 1: Ik ga ervan uit dat de politiek, geeft, als je een belofte maakt, dan moet je die belofte ook houden.

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Speaker 0: Mandatory vaccination is nonsense. No one in Germany will be forced to get vaccinated against their will. The idea that those who choose not to get vaccinated should lose their basic rights is also absurd and malicious. Let's remember the experiences we've had in Germany and reject such claims. Personally, I am open to technological and medical advancements. If German authorities approve a vaccine, I would be one of the first to get vaccinated. However, I will also advocate for the freedom of those who choose not to, as they should not be forced into it.

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I'm reaching out to our community for help as our hospitals are overwhelmed. It's crucial we come together during this crisis. Some express concerns about freedom and rights, but we have developed a safe and effective vaccine with minimal side effects. Despite the fears of tyranny and communism, our priority is community health. We are at a breaking point and need to unite for safety. If that means having our children wear masks, I'm asking them to do so for the well-being of others. Let's work together to protect our community.

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Some individuals are turning their freedom into irresponsibility, endangering the lives of others and restricting their freedom. The unvaccinated should be treated as outcasts and forced to get vaccinated. Those who protest against vaccination are foolish. Non-vaccinated individuals should not receive unemployment benefits. Vaccination should be mandatory, and non-vaccinated individuals should be visited by authorities and informed of the consequences. Those who spread misinformation should be arrested. The real battles are climate change and equality, not protesting vaccine passports. Those who refuse vaccination should face consequences and not burden the healthcare system. Anti-vaxxers are trying to disrupt the system. Most French citizens have used their brains and got vaccinated, unlike the anti-vaxxers.

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Everyone should have the option to get vaccinated. If someone chooses not to get vaccinated, they shouldn't be forced to, although it's unlikely. However, there should be consequences for not getting vaccinated. It's not fair for those who do get vaccinated to face disadvantages while others don't. Being fair means that those who get vaccinated protect themselves and others. Vaccination prevents the spread of the virus, and as a result, life should return to normal as much as possible for those who are vaccinated and for a certain number of vaccinated individuals. That's why I believe vaccine certificates are important, not just for travel within Europe, but also for everyday life in the long run.

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De doelstelling is zoveel mogelijk mensen gevaccineerd krijgen, het liefst door overtuiging. Ook kan de macro-methode toegepast worden: als miljoenen verantwoordelijkheid nemen en zeggen: 'Ik doe dat om mezelf te beschermen en om de mensen om me heen te beschermen', dan kun je aan iedereen vragen: 'We vragen u ook wel uw verantwoordelijkheid te nemen.' Dit betekent het gebruik van een vaccinatiepas of dat wie niet veilig is, niet zomaar in het openbaar leven kan rondlopen; vrijheid van de ene mens mag de ander niet in gevaar brengen. As many people as possible should be vaccinated, the objective, best achieved by persuasion. The macro-method: if millions take responsibility and say, 'I do this to protect myself and the people around me,' then you tell everyone: 'We also ask you to take your responsibility.' This implies a vaccination passport; without safety, one person's freedom threatens others’ health.

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We need to argue as politicians why we do or don't do something. If we have offered many people the opportunity to get vaccinated and some refuse, we may need to make distinctions and say that those who don't want to be vaccinated may not be able to do certain things.

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There comes a point when you may not want to participate despite the offered help. That's just how life is. In November last year, Mr. Pierick, from the Health Council, stated that he supports an indirect vaccination requirement if necessary. He believes that we are doing well in the Netherlands. So, think about it again. Not for us, but for yourself. Do it for your neighbor, your grandma, or those whose surgeries have been postponed. Do it for the healthcare workers. It's never too late to make the choice again. We know where the unvaccinated live and their reasons for not getting vaccinated. The Nazis kept records of Jews, and the same thing is happening now with the fingerprinting of every Dutch citizen to prevent confusion during elections. The ID card was a tool for the Germans and Dutch police to track down resistance fighters, Jews, and people in hiding. Sometimes, music can make you feel like you're in a game. And that's how it goes.

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The most important freedom we have is the freedom to get vaccinated. Vaccination protects you from severe illness and death, and it protects your family and community. Slowing the spread of the virus is crucial right now so we can achieve high vaccination coverage. That remains the primary goal.

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The government encourages vaccination. If you choose not to get vaccinated, you can't travel with vaccinated people and endanger them. We must stand firm in our decisions.

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In a resurfaced interview, it is revealed that the speaker wanted COVID mandates to empower and legally protect individuals. They believed that this would lead to schools and universities requiring vaccinations for admission. The speaker argued that making it difficult for people in their daily lives would help overcome ideological resistance and encourage vaccination.

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We should distinguish between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, granting more freedom to the vaccinated. It's crucial to incentivize vaccination as it reduces transmission, hospitalization, and death risk. Refusing the vaccine without a valid medical reason is not acceptable.

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I support mandatory vaccines for everyone. It's about looking out for each other. People talk about freedom, but we need to protect each other. Just like we did with polio.
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