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At the Peace Ball, a discussion arose about the contradiction between advocating for peace and the U.S. support for Ukraine, which includes significant military funding. Concerns were raised about the high casualty rates and the lack of critical evaluation of this policy by Democrats. The former congressman explained that the administration framed the situation as a way to prevent U.S. troop deployment to Ukraine, emphasizing the need to protect marginalized communities in his district. He clarified that supporting funding was aimed at avoiding sending more black and brown soldiers into conflict, rather than solely providing munitions. The conversation highlighted the complexities of balancing peace advocacy with military support in ongoing conflicts.

Dennis Kucinich discusses his Kucinich Report piece on Substack, titled Iran, Epstein, and Human Sacrifice, and argues that many elites view war and power through a distorted moral lens. He contends that the Iranian population and officials frame the conflict as an existential fight against a “pedophile regime” in the United States and in Israel, and he notes controversial claims about Israel as a safe haven for pedophiles. The conversation broadens into a critique of Western elites and the culture surrounding war, emphasizing that those at the top “don’t care about you and I,” nor about American soldiers who may be killed, describing the elites as bloodthirsty. Kucinich challenges readers to consider how Western civilization is perceived to be in decline under elite leadership, arguing that leaders legitimize extreme acts in pursuit of greed. He questions what would happen if Israel or the United States used atomic weapons in Iran or Pakistan, warning that radiation could spread regionally, effectively causing Israel to bomb itself. He asserts that there is a uniparty in Congress with little true opposition, and he claims that Congress is complicit by approving massive budgets—“over a trillion dollar budget” and a request for a $1.5 trillion annual military appropriation—without exercising its constitutional powers. The discussion then shifts to partisan politics. The host notes apparent support for the war from older MAGA Republicans and some Democrats, suggesting there is little daylight between the parties on this issue. Kucinich points to long-standing influence Aligned with Israel, including APAC’s role in elections and the media’s amplification of Israel-centric narratives, alongside the U.S. veto at the UN and a lack of enforcement of international law. He emphasizes that Netanyahu has pushed for war against Iran for thirty years, recounting a 2002 exchange in which Netanyahu pressed for war against Iraq and linking Netanyahu’s current influence to ongoing pressures on U.S. leaders and Congress. The host and Kucinich discuss the consequences of the conflict, including potential war escalation and civilian casualties, referencing Iran’s defense of Palestinians and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. They criticize the path of a broader war and warn that new nuclear programs could arise as nations seek deterrence, noting the deteriorating START treaty environment and the possible global arms race spurred by current policies. They argue that the government’s conduct reflects a total disregard for human life and morality, with elites pursuing “meglomaniacal ambitions and grifting.” Both speakers advocate for visible, nonviolent civilian resistance to pressure Congress to cut off funds for the war and to initiate impeachment proceedings as a check on executive power. They recognize that impeachment in the Senate would require two-thirds support, which may be unlikely, but contend that the process itself is important to curb executive overreach. They discuss the potential impact of public protests, campus dissent, and electoral choices in November as ways to express opposition, warning that the regime’s actions could provoke a harsher American response as casualties mount and as Iran potentially escalates its own defense. The conversation closes with a call for people, especially women who express concern, to translate moral outrage into action, to stand up for freedom and human rights, and to push back against a permanent warfare state. Dennis Kucinich reiterates that a broader peace movement is required to counter what he views as a dangerous consolidation of power and a disregard for democratic accountability.

Speaker 0 explains that not all Republicans are registered with APAC, and that many colleagues would vote with him if not for political backlash back home. He says some Republicans tell him, “that’s wrong what APAC is doing to you,” and they want to talk to their APAC person. He notes that nearly everyone except him has an APAC person, which he likens to a babysitter who is always talking to you for APAC. When these members are in DC, they lunch with their APAC contacts, who have their cell numbers and keep conversations going. He mentions that four members of Congress have said they’ll talk to their APAC person to try to get ads dialed back. He questions why this isn’t more widely known, arguing that it benefits nobody for constituents to know they have a “buddy system with somebody who represents a foreign country.” Speaker 1 asks what APAC is, and Speaker 0 explains the concept further, noting that the APAC person is connected to the congressman and that this dynamic exists on the Republican side. He says the APAC person is embedded in the caucus presence, and that conversations with them occur when members come to DC. He remarks that this arrangement is not beneficial for public disclosure, so members don’t tell their constituents about it. Speaker 1 asks if any other country does anything similar. Speaker 0 responds emphatically that they do not: “Not only do they not have a Putin guy. Look. They don’t they they don’t have a Britain guy. They don’t have an Australian guy. They don’t have a Germany dude.” He asserts that APAC is the only country with someone who uniformly matches a congressman to an APAC contact, and that there is likely a spreadsheet at APAC mapping the APAC contact to the congressman’s votes on issues. He adds that APAC pays for trips for congressmen and their spouses to go to Israel; he notes he may not be the only Republican who hasn’t taken the APAC Israel trip, but he’s among a minority who hasn’t yet. Speaker 1 asks about the trip, and Speaker 0 describes it as “vacationy,” including visits to the Western Wall and other sites, and mentions swimming in the Dead Sea. Speaker 1 comments that Israel is a great country and that Jerusalem is wonderful, but clarifies that this appreciation is distinct from the government of Israel and its politics. Speaker 0 agrees that Israelis are entrepreneurial and publicly minded, and Speaker 1 shares a personal fondness for Israel, praising the country and its people, while noting the difference between the people and the government. Speaker 1 and Speaker 0 discuss their affection for Israel, with Speaker 1 distinguishing his personal love of the place from political influence, and both agreeing that Israel is a special place, with Speaker 0 emphasizing the distinction between people and government.

"DOJ wants to keep secret the names of two Epstein associates who wired a $102,150 k in 2018 right after the whole story blew up." "Follow the money because that can expose a lot of the characters." "Epstein has a trust, and it's controlled in offshore bank accounts." "Look into Ghislain Maxwell's trust, what's happening there." "Hats off to Israel. They're doing the right things in their best interest." "The concern is when it comes to The US and we're talking about APAC, Americans vote for you to represent them in America's interests." "There is a two-tier justice system." "We are 37,000,000,000,000 in debt. America is broke. We can't afford it anymore." "Transparency from the United States government." "I don't take donations from big pharma. I don't take donations from the Military Industrial Complex. I don't take donations from APAC." "we just can't fucking afford it anymore." "defund the foreign aid and foreign funding out of our own military funding bill." "I'll have amendments to defund Ukraine $600,000,000 and Israel $500,000,000 and another 105,000,000 for drones and tunnels." "APAC registering under FARA is one example." "America first." "Ukraine is not a NATO member nation." "Defunding Israel is on the table."

They're not registered. He explains Republicans tell him they'd vote with him but "would just take too much flack back home," and that "everybody but me has an APAC person"—an "APAC babysitter" embedded with a congressman. He notes four members said they'll talk to their APAC person to "dial those ads back." He asks why this isn't more widely known, saying "It doesn't benefit anybody. Why would they wanna tell their constituents that they've basically got a buddy system with somebody who's representing a foreign country?" He contends "it's the only country that does this" with an APAC liaison; "they pay for trips for congressmen and their spouses to go to Israel," describing the trip as "vacationy"—seeing the wall and the Dead Sea. The dialog contrasts love of Israel with "the government of Israel" and ends with "That's a completely different thing from taking orders from its government."

Many members of Congress have an APAC representative, akin to a babysitter, who communicates on behalf of APAC. This person is often a constituent but is closely tied to APAC. On the Republican side, it's common for members to have lunch with their APAC contacts, who have their personal cell numbers for direct communication. Some Congress members have mentioned consulting their "APAC guy" to influence ad campaigns. This relationship is not publicly acknowledged, as it doesn't benefit Congress members to reveal they have a connection with a foreign entity.

Speaker 0 contends that NGOs (nongovernment organizations) are not truly nongovernmental because they are funded by borrowing money and by money from donors, including billionaires. He claims they receive a large amount of funding, and the process involves borrowing funds and then distributing them to NGOs. He uses Afghanistan as an example, noting that there was a bill to defund the Taliban and that in the Senate there was opposition to adding NGOs to that effort. He argues that billionaire adversaries of the United States will put money into groups with fancy names (citing “feed the children” as a possible example)—a million dollars to start, which is "pennies on their dollars" for these donors. He asserts that these NGOs apply for federal money, and then an unelected bureaucrat in Washington declares them legitimate, leading to billions of dollars flowing to these organizations. Speaker 0 states that in Afghanistan alone, there are over a thousand nongovernment organizations operating there, and when combined with United Nations operations, the number could be multiples of thousands. He questions whether the money is being spent on certain events, asking, “do you really believe we're spending $10,000,000 on a dadgum drag show?” and asserts that the money ends up back in politicians’ pockets, with a paper trail that someone will uncover, though he believes it probably goes into dark money campaigns that oppose good Republicans as well. He concludes that this situation “has got to stop.” He ends by thanking Donald Trump and JD Vance.

The speaker claims the U.S. has given close to $5 billion to the Taliban via NGOs, and this continues. They allege this money cycles back to Washington, with a paper trail that Elon Musk has alluded to. The speaker believes USAID money goes "almost a %" right back to Democrat campaign coffers, with some Republicans also possibly benefiting. They state that Republican leadership is upset about these claims but acknowledges their truth. The speaker also questions how Joe Biden could have reviewed 8,000 pardon files, suggesting "payola" and shadiness in Washington D.C., particularly across various departments.

The speakers question why the Ukraine war, which the U.S. allegedly funded and whose military leaders purportedly ran, was not televised. They claim the U.S. funds the Ukrainian government, retirement, and small businesses, keeping Ukraine afloat. One speaker states they asked members of Congress, including the Speaker of the House, about the number of Ukrainians who have died in the war. They suggest that while the U.S. is funding the war, there is no tracking of how many Ukrainians have died, including those with Down syndrome. The speakers question why the public is shown Israel being bombed but not other wars, implying manipulation. They believe the public should be able to watch a war they are paying for.

Many members of Congress have an "APAC person," akin to a babysitter, who communicates on behalf of APAC. This person is often a constituent but is closely tied to APAC. On the Republican side, it's common for members to have lunch with their APAC contacts, who have direct access to them. Some members have mentioned consulting their "APAC guy" to influence advertising decisions. It's surprising that this arrangement isn't widely known, as it could be perceived negatively by constituents. Congress members likely keep this relationship private because it doesn't serve their interests to disclose that they have a close connection with a representative of a foreign entity.

The speaker states that the promise was to put America first, and believes there are still voices in the administration, such as J.D. Vance, Tulsi Gabbard, and RFK Junior, who could prevail. However, they were not persuasive in this case, but somebody was. The speaker claims that APAC, the Israeli lobby in congress, is very persuasive. The speaker observes that their colleagues' social media feeds all look the same, tweeting the same message about supporting Israel.

I can't believe I'm the only one without an APAC person! It's like having a babysitter who's constantly on you about APAC. Apparently every member has someone like this. On the Republican side, these APAC people have your cell number, and you're expected to have lunch with them when they're in DC. It's insane! Why haven't I heard about this before? Why would politicians want their constituents to know they've got a buddy system with someone representing a foreign country? Does any other country do this? They even pay for congressmen and their spouses to go to Israel. I wonder what happens on these trips? You know, you go see the wall.

Members of Congress on the Republican side have an "APAC person," described as an "APAC babysitter," who regularly communicates with them regarding APAC matters. These individuals are often constituents but are deeply involved with APAC. Members meet with them when they visit D.C., exchange cell numbers, and have ongoing conversations. Some members have said they would "talk to my APAC guy" to potentially influence ad campaigns. The speaker questions why this arrangement is not more widely known, suggesting that members of Congress may not want to publicize their relationships with individuals representing a foreign country, as it doesn't benefit them politically.

The speaker states that America's national interest is the single criterion for foreign policy decisions. He says he came to Congress to defend Israel and believes those who bless Israel will be blessed, citing Genesis. He equates the nation of Israel with the current political entity led by Netanyahu. The speaker denies APAC lobbies for a foreign government, asserting it promotes a strong US-Israeli relationship. He does not know the population or ethnic mix of Iran, a country he believes is trying to murder Trump. He supports Israel's bombing campaign against Iran, with US support. He criticizes Zelensky's behavior and believes sanctions on Nord Stream 2 prevented war. He supports regime change in Iran but denies advocating military force. He acknowledges that allies, including Israel, likely spy on the US, stating it is not in America's interest for Israel to spy on the US.

Apologies are often harder for those responsible for larger tragedies. While minor accidents prompt immediate apologies, significant actions, like wars, lead to denial of responsibility. The ongoing war in Ukraine exemplifies this, as support from the U.S. has not yielded the promised outcomes. Instead, it has weakened the U.S. while prolonging a conflict that many believe Ukraine cannot win. Congressman Thomas Massie highlights the financial irresponsibility of U.S. spending on Ukraine, which exceeds federal infrastructure budgets. He criticizes the military-industrial complex's influence on Congress, suggesting that funding is often tied to political interests rather than genuine support for Ukraine. Additionally, he raises concerns about the implications of recruiting foreign nationals into the military and the monopolization of the meat industry, advocating for legislation to allow local farmers to sell directly to consumers.

Speaker 0 asserts that they have never taken money from the Israel lobby and asks if Speaker 1 has. Speaker 1 clarifies that APAC raises a lot of money for him, but emphasizes that the fundraisers are individuals, not the PAC itself, meaning it’s a misnomer to say the PAC raises money. He describes APAC as an American lobby and explains that APAC stands for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. He admits APAC is not a “foreign lobby” and says its purpose is not effectively defined as a single objective. He states his own entry into Congress thirteen years ago with the goal of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate and says he has worked every day to that end. He notes that APAC is sometimes more effective than he wishes and then characterizes APAC as “a fever swamp of terrified of APAC.” Speaker 0 challenges the idea that APAC lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government, insisting that APAC lobbies for a foreign government. Speaker 1 responds that APAC is not lobbying for a foreign government; it is lobbying for a strong US–Israel relationship and for America and Israel to be closely allied. Speaker 0 maintains that APAC is lobbying for the interests of another country and reiterates that it is not true that APAC has nothing to do with the government. Speaker 0 asks about how much contact APAC leaders have with the government of Israel, and Speaker 1 acknowledges some contact, suggesting that the government of Israel is often frustrated with APAC, and asks whether they talk. He compares the situation to lobbying for more US–Mexico trade, noting that one would talk to both sides. Speaker 0 accepts that there are many countries that lobby Washington, including Israel, and expresses familiarity with how lobbying works, including knowing Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments and even being related to some. The central question for Speaker 0 is not whether foreign governments lobby the United States, but why it isn’t admitted as a common practice. He states that it’s true that many countries lobby Washington, including Israel, and asks why they aren’t registered as foreign lobbies. Speaker 1 responds that they are not registered as such.

The speaker points out that the budget for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the US is $12 billion, while Ukraine receives 12 times that amount in one year. The speaker mentions that even after the war in Ukraine ends, the US will spend half a trillion dollars on rebuilding the country, with contracts for rebuilding being even larger than war contracts. The speaker highlights a statement made by Mitch McConnell, who suggests that the money sent to Ukraine actually goes to US military contractors, benefiting the country. The speaker implies that this reveals a money laundering scheme involving companies like Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, and Lockheed.

The speakers discuss the potential for war between Iran and Israel, with one noting the US embassy in Iraq evacuated nonessential personnel and military bases were told to evacuate non-military personnel. One speaker expresses disappointment that Trump, who campaigned on preventing new wars, seems to be leading the US toward conflict. One speaker claims Trump could stop the conflict by telling Israel they are on their own, withholding intelligence and support. They lament American troops being in danger for no reason. The speakers criticize Trump for acting like Biden, merely expressing disapproval without taking action. They claim Congress is completely in Israel's pocket, despite public opinion, especially among younger Republicans, being unfavorable towards Israel. One speaker cites a post from Tom Cotton about Iran seeking nuclear weapons, likening it to the lead-up to the Iraq War.

Members of Congress on the Republican side have an "APAC person," described as an "APAC babysitter" who constantly communicates with them on behalf of APAC. These individuals are often constituents but are deeply connected to APAC. Members meet with them in DC, exchange cell numbers, and have ongoing conversations. Four members of Congress have told the speaker they would consult their "APAC guy" to potentially influence ad campaigns. The speaker questions why this arrangement is not more widely known. The speaker believes congressmen conceal this relationship because it could be detrimental to reveal they have a close connection with someone representing a foreign country.

So, what's an APAC person? Think of them as your APAC babysitter, always in contact, deeply rooted in APAC. Most Republican members have someone like this. When they visit DC, you have lunch, exchange numbers, and stay in touch. I've personally heard members of Congress say, "I'll talk to my APAC guy" to potentially influence ad strategies. Why haven't you heard about this before? Well, it's not beneficial for a congressman to advertise a buddy system with someone representing a foreign country. They're not likely to publicize it.

Politicians have close ties with APAC, like a babysitter. They have lunch and conversations with APAC members who influence their decisions. Some congress members even ask their "APAC guy" to tone down ads. This buddy system is surprising and not widely known.

Putin was dealing with Biden, and he knew Ukraine was stealing money we sent. Under Trump, that stops, ending the fighting and our wasted money in a war we shouldn't be in. Ukraine's president admitted not knowing where half the money went, which has been widely reported. The money sent to Ukraine is paying off "war pimps" at the Pentagon, prolonging the war for profit while young men die. We were on both sides at the start of the war with gas contracts with Russia and giving money to Ukraine. Missile defense systems went to Ukraine and members of Congress had stock in the missile defense company. Putin is responsible, but why isn't there outrage about China? Because everything is made there and it's all about the dollars.

Speaker 0: 'So what do we get for a trillion dollars a year to the US military? Do we get anything in return?' Speaker 1: 'We get some enhanced stock portfolios.' 'I haven't voted for a penny for Ukraine, I'm proud of that. It's not my dadgum war.' 'Some of those contractors we described get a multi multi billion with a B dollar, no bid contract.' 'And who do you think has bought stock in that, in that company? Members of Congress, two weeks prior to the president making that official notice.' 'Return on their, 506100% return on their investment.' 'But why is impossible as to ban stock trading for members of Congress? That's a great idea.' 'I have the bill to do it, and that's why we have a bipartisan group, we've got a bill, but it's not going anywhere.' 'Why? Because too many members of Congress, I mean, we were told by leadership that, you know, these guys can't afford to be here.'