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- Speaker 0 expresses a core problem: how to support the Donald Trump presidency when the figures associated with his circle (Alex Jones, Owen Shroyer, Ian Carroll) embody traits they oppose, prompting questions about alignment with their side. He asks how to reconcile supporting Trump with these associations, calling it an objective problem. - Speaker 1 responds that he has not researched certain controversial items (Eric Prince’s phone) and notes that Eric Prince is a polarizing figure from the military-industrial complex world. He argues that involvement in war fighting does not automatically make someone evil and that a full picture requires digging beyond initial impressions, acknowledging he hasn’t done all the research. - Speaker 0 challenges this, citing his own video: Eric Prince has three CEOs for Blackwater, all with intricate ties to the IDF. He questions coincidence between Palantir Technologies and the surveillance state, Israel’s influence, and three IDF-affiliated Blackwater CEOs, referencing USS Liberty and suggesting Eric Prince’s past atrocities and a lack of accountability. He asks whether such a figure could ever be considered a good person and whether repentance is possible, noting he hasn’t seen Prince acknowledge past wrongs. - Speaker 0 adds BlackRock as another easy target, claiming BlackRock, with help from the Trump administration, bought two ports in the Panama Canal for $22.8 billion, and contends Trump mentioned a company would buy the Panama Canal during the State of the Union, but did not name BlackRock. He challenges the listener to consider whether Trump is on their side given this nugget of information. - Speaker 1 says he was not endorsing a specific device or action, calling the “phones” comment offhand and irrelevant. He reiterates he isn’t waiting for Trump or Elon Musk to act in the interest of people, and states he’s intentionally not waiting for them to do so. He emphasizes starting change bottom-up, and encourages starting conversations rather than trolling, suggesting Seven Seas could help. - Speaker 0 shifts to a broader miscommunication problem: there’s a gap where people misread each other, treating allies as enemies. He advocates filling this gap through dialogue with diverse figures like Seven Seas, Ian Carroll, Joe Rogan, Whitney Webb, Derek Brose. He mentions a planned March sit-down interview between Derek Brose and Ian Carroll, hoping for a productive exchange, while noting past heated exchanges where ad hominem attacks diminished constructive dialogue. He cites Clint Russell and redheaded libertarian as examples of contentious interactions. - They discuss disagreements over Trump’s ideology and policies, including concerns that Trump still praises the VA, pharma, and large-scale spending, which confounds libertarian critiques. He cites a national debt comparison between Obama and Trump era spending, arguing that debt devalues the dollar and harms Americans, regardless of party. - Speaker 0 reiterates suspicion that the criticism of Trump and Elon Musk coexists with perceived support for them, labeling it an inconsistency. He promises to withhold calling someone a shill until there is clear intent to deceive. Speaker 1 suggests focusing on good-faith arguments, mentioning Glenn Greenwald with respect, and invites Seven Seas to share their take on Ian Carroll’s reaction to Seven Seas’ post.

President Trump stated that a corrupt group within the American government weaponized intelligence and law enforcement agencies. One speaker argues that one doesn't have to be a member of MAGA to acknowledge legitimate grievances regarding Peter Strzok, Lisa Page texts, FISA abuse, and the Alvin Bragg case. Another speaker asserts that Merrick Garland followed the facts and law, and grand juries in Florida and DC believed there was enough evidence to indict Donald Trump on 44 counts. Jack Smith believes he would have been successful in two cases if Trump had not been elected president. The speaker claims the charges were dropped only because he was president. The first speaker clarifies that the initial concerns were about the Russiagate investigation and the Alvin Bragg case, while the second speaker addressed the Jack Smith investigation.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

"Your justice department is also sending some of the Epstein files over to the house oversight committee today." "Are you are you in support of them releasing all of them? It open? If they wanted to release people shouldn't be hurt, but I'm in support of keeping it totally open." "I couldn't care less." "The whole Epstein thing is a Democrat hoax." "So we had the greatest six months, seven months in the history of the presidency." "And the Democrats don't know what to do, so they keep bringing up that stuff." "The Bill Clinton was on his plane and went to the island supposedly 28 times." "You have Larry, whatever his name is, Summers, the head of Harvard, who was Jeffrey Epstein's best friend." "This is a democratic hoax to try and get the the significance of what we've done over the past seven months." "Nobody's ever seen anything like it." "They say it's number one in history."

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss whether arrests will occur under Trump and how they might be framed. - Speaker 0 asks if arrests will happen under Trump and if figures like Bill Clinton or Obama will be arrested, suggesting that any arrests might be part of “dark handing the keys off to the light” and that the deep state would sacrifice some players. - Speaker 1 responds by outlining alleged close connections: Trump was one of Epstein’s closest friends; Howard Letnick was Epstein’s neighbor; the first lady was Epstein’s girlfriend. He argues that Epstein’s relationship to Israel and the Mossad, and the president’s loyalty to Israel, are significant, and contends that many would say this loyalty goes beyond the United States. He adds a dismissive remark that the other speaker is “smoking dope.” - Speaker 0 contends there will be arrests but believes they will be for optics to bolster support for Trump, implying the releases would be to energize followers and that “deep state players” will be sacrificed. - Speaker 1 refers to certain individuals as “chew toys,” naming Fauci and Gates, suggesting they are used as targets or distractions. He reiterates skepticism that any arrests have occurred so far, noting that Trump has been in power for a year and there hasn’t been an arrest. - The conversation touches on the speed of data-center-related actions and mentions “Stargate” as part of what Trump did, implying rapid actions or moves on day one.

The speaker asserts that the effort to release the Epstein files came directly from President Trump. They acknowledge that many people may have a hard time with this claim, but state that it is the truth. The speaker also says that Trump fought the hardest to stop these files from being released.

The conversation centers on the Epstein file controversy, the DOJ's handling of it, and what the speakers see as systemic failures and political risk for Donald Trump and allied figures. - The Epstein/file issue is framed as predictable and frustrating. Alex Jones notes a “slow drip of nothing” and calls the initial promise of full file disclosure a pattern of “promise something, deliver nothing.” Pam Bondi’s statement that “the files were on my desk” is discussed as an apparent misstep or staged moment, but the core point is that large amounts of material are not being released despite public promises. - The discourse questions where the files actually reside and who controls access. The claim that a “truckload of files” existed and was hidden at DOJ is rejected as a mischaracterization; the speakers emphasize that the FBI and DOJ have files, but access and disclosure have been hampered by internal political dynamics. They highlight the tension between the Southern District of New York and the DOJ, noting that SDNY answers to the DOJ and the Attorney General, thereby questioning the premise that one regional office is independently sabotaging access. - There is a persistent critique of DOJ leadership and governance. The argument is that DOJ has not been “rooted out of corruption,” with mid-level and high-level managers and appointees still in place, propagating practices that the speakers deem contrary to transparency and accountability. They point to supposed failures by individuals such as Cash Patel and Pam Bondi in relying on FBI briefings rather than verifiable records, suggesting that power in intelligence agencies is still too dependent on information control. - The Epstein files are treated as emblematic of a broader issue: a two-tier or selective justice system. The speakers argue that there’s a pattern whereby powerful individuals have access to information and protection, while the public lacks full visibility. They mention that Trump’s response and the way the files have been handled have become a larger “Russiagate-like” narrative, with Epstein serving as a lightning rod for accusations of corruption and cover-up. - The political dynamic is central. Several participants emphasize that Trump’s stance and the responses of his allies are under intense scrutiny. They discuss the risk that Trump’s association with the Epstein disclosures could become a political liability if the files aren’t released. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tom Massey are mentioned as consistent voices pushing for full disclosure, while Roger Stone’s warnings about CIA and foreign involvement in the Epstein nexus are cited as supporting the view that a larger, international financial/transnational network may be implicated. - There is criticism of how the media and political opponents handle the issue. The speakers claim Democrats are using hearings to turn the Epstein matter into a broader political weapon and to portray Trump as obstructive or complicit, regardless of the factual state of file disclosure. They argue that the public is being led by a PR war, with “photoshopped” or redacted material used to frame narratives rather than to reveal truth. - The discussion turns toward accountability and remedies. The speakers insist that federal law requires the release of the Epstein files by a deadline, and that failing to comply constitutes a constitutional or institutional crisis. They argue that Congress lacks direct enforcement power and must consider funding or other leverage to compel compliance, noting the apparent reluctance of Congress to act decisively. - There are predictions about personnel changes and institutional reform. Dan Bongino is discussed as likely to depart from his DOJ-related role, with Todd Blanche as the lead prosecutor taking heat for not meeting deadlines. Andrew Bailey is floated as a potential replacement. The broader implication is that there will be a shake-up in DOJ and possibly FBI leadership in the near term, though the speakers acknowledge uncertainty about how far reforms will go or whether entrenched interests will impede real change. - The Epstein matter is used to illustrate how compromises and cover-ups operate across power structures. The speakers argue that the problem isn’t just the existence of the files but how the system treats those files—how access is controlled, how redactions are justified, and how political narratives are constructed around high-profile investigations. Harmony Dillon and Liz Harrington are cited as voices who underscore the need for mid-level reform and more transparency, suggesting that the deepest issues lie in organizational culture and incentives rather than in isolated acts by a few individuals. - A broader reflection on American governance finishes the discussion. The speakers warn that a failure to release the Epstein files or to purge corrupt practices could deepen distrust in federal institutions and threaten the legitimacy of the government. They suggest that if reform stalls, the country might devolve into a state-by-state dynamic or other less cohesive arrangements, as confidence in a functioning central government erodes. In summary, the transcript frames the Epstein file disclosures as a litmus test for DOJ integrity and political accountability. It portrays a pattern of delayed or selective disclosure, questions about who controls information within the FBI/DOJ, and a risk that political calculations are interfering with lawful obligations. It also foresees significant leadership changes and intensified scrutiny of the department in the near future, with Epstein serving as a focal point for broader critiques of how power and information are managed in the United States.

Remember when I promised to release the Epstein, JFK, and 9/11 files? It's been a while, and still nothing. I put Anna Paulina and Pam Bondi on it, even created a committee, which seemed unnecessary just to release files. They handed over binders to DC Draino and company, but the information was heavily redacted, supposedly to protect victims' names and due to the FBI's concerns, even though we oversee the FBI. Then national security became the excuse for more redactions, and the whole thing just stalled. Now, we're moving onto releasing the JFK files, while the Epstein files remain hidden. And now Pam Bondi is investigating antisemitism on college campuses. So, I just have one question: Where are those files?

The episode opens with Lou Stump and his co-hosts, Chet Liftkit and Joey DeNardi, broadcasting from FEMA region six in an in‑person Nimrod pod taping. They recount Alex Jones’s 45‑minute interview with Ed Martin, described as “fighting the deep state for over three decades as a lawyer and political activist.” They say President Trump appointed Martin as US attorney of Washington DC, but his confirmation was blocked by Congress, so Trump created a special office for Martin with nationwide jurisdiction overseeing “secret strike forces,” including the Weaponization Working Group. Martin allegedly told Infowars that they would go after mortgage and tax fraud instead of complex racketeering, aiming for quick indictments. They assert the strike force faces trouble finding workhorses in the DOJ and say Trump has ordered firings of noncompliant officials and brought in replacements; Andrew Bailey, Missouri’s attorney general, is named as co‑deputy director of the FBI. The panel asserts Bailey is preparing to backfill Cash Patel, the FBI director, and claims Martin himself is being considered to replace Pam Bondi as US attorney general. They allege grand juries are open in Virginia, Missouri, New York, and Florida, and claim 97% of DC courts are rigged by Democrats. They say NSA at Fort Meade and CIA Langley are among Virginia jurisdictions with open grand juries. The hosts claim White House sources confirm indictments are coming, and if they don’t happen, Bondi will be fired and someone more effective will be installed. They warn listeners to prepare for “false flags” and say Trump has declared war on the deep state. They urge Ed Martin and Trump to gain public support to pressure the DOJ, and contrast Trump’s perceived actions with what they claim would happen under other presidents. Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 push back and add their takes. Speaker 1 doubts Trump’s track record in 2025, calling actions patronizing and noting discrepancies between words and deeds, and expressing skepticism that short‑term moves will create long‑term change. Speaker 2 argues fighting the swamp is good and highlights loyalty to Trump, noting weekly conversations and Trump’s praise of Martin after the bid was blocked, as well as interest in Biden pardons. Speaker 0 defends the shift, noting Alex Jones’s earlier skepticism about indictments and saying Trump has learned from the first term and is draining the swamp. They debate the credibility of grand juries, subpoenas, and raids, with Speaker 0 insisting indictments are the measure of success and that public pressure on the DOJ is necessary for accountability. They pivot to a broader discussion, declaring that the mainstream media isn’t taking grand jury openings seriously, and that the “mainstream” narrative conflicts with what they claim to be open and subpoenaed investigations. They accuse the CIA, FBI, and State Department of lying about certain events and assert that a cover‑up is in progress to protect figures like MBS (Mohammed bin Salman) and to shield broader networks. They promote the idea that the information age—via platforms like X (formerly Twitter)—allows the public to uncover truth and collaborate with others in citizen journalism, despite censorship and shadowbans. They claim there is an information war and that the common sense movement empowers people to push back against deep state control and corporate interests. A major diversion in the program is a deep dive into the Las Vegas shooting (10/01/2017). They recount the mass casualty event at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, with Steven Paddock alleged to have acted alone, and they raise questions about the number of firearms (including AR‑15s with bump stocks) and the timeline of the breach of the Mandalay Bay window. They present conflicting observations, such as the claim that the Mandalay Bay window in Paddock’s room remained unbroken when officers breached the room two hours after the shooting, while another window was broken in a different room. They argue the official story is refuted by video and audio evidence showing muzzle fire from helicopters, with unmarked choppers and off‑transponder activity. They allege multiple shooters and a Saudi involvement angle, alleging ETS (the Saudi version of Blackwater) and Maverick helicopters were present, and they claim the state department intervened to extract MBS from danger. They propose that Paddock was a distraction to divert attention from helicopter operations and that someone killed Paddock to fake a suicide, with the Saudis supposedly escaping via helicopters and private planes. They reference White House, media, and John Cullen (a pseudonym) as sources distributing these allegations, and they assert a network of witnesses and “Arabic men” seen on the ground. They also mention 911 calls from casinos and claim the footage and evidence were suppressed or misrepresented by mainstream outlets. They shift to discussions about Pizzagate, WikiLeaks, and a “Democrat Pedophile Network.” Lou frames Pizzagate as an older conspiracy surface that connected DC pizza parlors (Comet Ping Pong, and nearby Bestia Pizza) to a pedophilia network, citing alleged Instagram posts, the Bestia Pizza logo described as a triangle‑maze used as a pedophile marker, and a slate of famous figures associated with the pizza ecosystem. They recount alleged connections to Obama, Clinton, Podesta, Epstein, and others, and they argue these establishments hosted a global human trafficking hub. They reference Hillary Clinton’s emails (via WikiLeaks) and discuss the alleged use of coded language in emails about “CP” and “pizza,” asserting evidence of a deeper network and the need for investigation, while alleging cover‑ups by the FBI and DOJ. They cite an email in which a dinner with Obama and Anthony Bourdain was linked to a “b h kids” coded code about children, calling it disturbing. They mention cabinets on Wayfair listed for high prices named after missing children, suggesting further evidence of pedophile networks. Religious reflection and political philosophy follow, with discussions of Catholicism, Protestantism, and the role of faith in public life. They discuss RFK Jr.’s MAHA movement, nutrition, and preventative medicine as a path to healthier Americans, arguing for embedding nutrition into premed training and MCATs; they emphasize the need for comprehensive blood panels and personalized medicine, criticizing conventional medicine’s one‑size‑fits‑all approach and the influence of big pharma and corporate interests. They advocate a bipartisan approach to reform, credit RFK Jr. for pushing preventative health measures, and argue for a system prioritizing common sense and the public’s health over political partisanship. They close with calls to separate populism from Trump, view Trump as a vehicle to implement the people’s will, and envision the “second American revolution” rooted in transparency, constitutional values, and a renewal of American sovereignty. The episode ends with a sign‑off from Lou and a reminder to follow the Nimrod pod on X and subscribe to their Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

Speaker 0 opens by saying he tries to be as transparent as possible and offers to share what the text in court filings was about. Speaker 1 asks to know, and Speaker 0 begins to explain. Speaker 0 reflects on his past views: he has no incentive to lie, he runs a business with his college roommate, and he supported the Iraq War vehemently, supported the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett (calling it a huge mistake and that it wasn’t what he thought), and he supports John Roberts. He says the list of “dumb things” he supported is long, and he has spent the last twenty-two years trying to atone for his support for the Iraq War. Speaker 1 acknowledges appreciation for that, and Speaker 0 continues. He says he isn’t seeking affirmation but explains the text in question concerns a discussion with a producer about election integrity. He describes a January post-election conversation with someone at the White House after Trump claimed the election was stolen. He says he was willing to believe allegations and asked for examples. The White House regional contact offered seven or eight dead people who voted, asserting they could be proven because death certificates and obituaries showed they voted and were on voter rolls. He states he did not claim “slam dunk” proof and insists he does not trust campaigns or campaign consultants, but he believed the claim was verifiable. Speaker 0 recounts going on air with the claim that “seven or ten dead people voted” and listing the names to show the evidence. He says, within about twenty-five minutes, some of the deceased people contacted CNN to say they were not dead, and CNN exposed that he had made a colossal error. He emphasizes that there is nothing he hates more than being wrong and humiliated, and that he should have checked whether someone had died; he acknowledges not checking carefully. Speaker 1 asks why he didn’t say these things on Fox News earlier. Speaker 0 says he did the next day. Speaker 1 contends he did not, and asks for the tape. Speaker 0 asserts he went on air the next day and admits he was completely wrong, blaming the Trump campaign for taking their word and also blaming the staffer who provided the information; he says he is still mad at that person. Speaker 1 challenges ownership of the situation and asks about the influence and the value of his career, implying he holds substantial influence with a top-rated show. They clash over sincerity and the magnitude of his earnings. Speaker 0 denies alignment with the accusation of insincerity, but Speaker 1 remains skeptical and asserts a belief that his sincerity is in question and that his views may be financially motivated. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 telling Speaker 1 to stop and declaring they’re done, as Speaker 1 pushes back about the immense wealth and status, prompting Speaker 0 to end the exchange abruptly.

Speaker 0 says he went and hassled asked straightforward questions to Ted Cruz, describing Cruz as a sitting senator who was “serving for Israel by his own description,” and notes he isn’t targeting Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG) because she’s “the most sincere.” He questions why not go after Cruz. Speaker 1 recalls being a friend of MTG; she spoke at his conference, then “the day after, she pretended like she didn't know me,” describing a history that began in 2022. He explains views evolve as people interact with reality and as the reality of self changes, adding that now “everyone agrees with me,” and he would forgive hostility. He says he doesn’t know what MTG’s new views are, noting she’s come around on Israel “this year,” whereas he has spoken on the issue for ten years. He characterizes the past as “ BS” and claims he was treated as if he didn’t exist, canceled for ten years for discussing these topics, particularly during a time of intense censorship. Speaker 1 mentions MTG fired one of his staffers because someone found out a groiper was working in her office, and that person’s life was ruined; MTG allegedly knew exactly what the conference was, yet she pretended not to. He says the issue isn’t personal with MTG, but argues the past disagreement was because she was “on the other team.” Speaker 0 counters that many people were on different sides in the past and suggests the question is bigger than themselves, aiming to restore America for future generations. Speaker 0 adds a personal note: if Dave Rubin called to apologize for calling him “Hitler,” he would consider it meaningful, and he sees legitimate questions to consider. He emphasizes sincerity as central, stating he believes sincerity shows when someone’s heart is pure, and that Joe Kent appeared sincere despite not agreeing on everything, which led Speaker 0 to think Kent was a good person. However, Speaker 0 says Kent was later discredited as being a CIA officer (or contractor), which contradicted their impression, and he recalls showing each other a badge during a mutual suspicion moment. Speaker 1 recalls being disavowed by MTG for his views on Israel and criticized for talking about white people and Christianity, and notes that he worked with Blumenthal on an article while Speaker 0 had called him on the phone. Speaker 0 reflects that the exchange felt “inside baseball” and insists he was seeking a sincere politician, someone brave, regardless of full agreement. He cites Joe Kent as an example of sincerity despite disagreements, and recounts being surprised by Speaker 1’s later revelation that Kent’s CIA association changed his view of Kent.

Speaker 0 pressed: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files?' Speaker 1 responded: 'I have never spoken to president Trump about the Epstein files.' Speaker 1: 'The attorney general and I have had numerous discussions about the entirety of the Epstein files and the reviews conducted by our team.' Speaker 1: 'And we have released where president Trump's name is the files.' Speaker 1: 'During many conversations that the attorney general and I have had on the matter of Epstein, we have reviewed' Speaker 0: 'Question is simple.' Speaker 0: 'Who' Speaker 0: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files? Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'Why don't you try spelling it out' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no? Use' Speaker 0: 'the alphabet.' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'No. A b c.' Speaker 0: 'Question has been asked and answered.' Speaker 0: 'You've not answered it, and we will take your evasiveness as a consciousness of guilt.'

Speaker 1 initially said "no more Trump" due to his January 6th conduct, but now says "yes" to Trump. Speaker 1 states that Biden-Harris policies are an existential threat to the country and its allies. Speaker 1 believes there are now many attacks on democracy that eclipse January 6th.

The transcript centers on why the Biden administration didn’t release files related to Trump. Speaker 1 says, “No. Why not? They were, there were reasons that they were they were being held back, that they didn't have access to get them released.” Other voices note the files “were sealed for a number of times.” The discussion pivots to accountability: “Trump equals traitor,” tied to January 6 and access to the files. One responder adds, “From what I understand, he didn't have the ability to do that,” saying the files were “sequestered and unavailable to to be released.” The host mentions, “We have a tape coming out tomorrow about a DOJ official saying there's a cover up.” The group asserts, “We believe the women,” including a survivor of sexual abuse. The segment closes with a wrap in front of the Capitol.

Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

We've just reviewed the Epstein client release, a 20-plus page dump made public by the DOJ or FBI, but it's a huge disappointment. It's mostly procedural jargon, heavily redacted, with no significant new information. I spoke with Liz Wheeler, and she reports that Pam Bondi and the President expected the release to contain everything Kash Patel had previously seen. However, the Southern District of New York FBI and Department of Justice may be withholding tapes and other information from the White House. If this is true, it signifies an internal civil war, with departments rebelling against the president. I still trust that President Trump, Cash Patel and Pam Bondi are committed to exposing this evil. If these agencies are in rebellion, President Trump should personally go to New York, fire everyone involved, and padlock the doors.

Speaker 0 says it's "preposterous that we were talking about Hillary Clinton's emails again in the year 2025," that "they get activated," and that Trump won't be blamed for not releasing the Epstein files, "We spent years on this story." Speaker 1 counters, "No. Let let me you you had to take this story seriously for years, and it was false. It wasn't false." He asserts that "When Trump won in 2016, the intel community concluded that Russia didn't have a hand in his victory," but "Obama determined and wanted a new conclusion," sending "Brennan" to "come up with a new collusion," and insists "There was no proof." They claim "They amplified a false conclusion that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016." He adds, "The Democrats never cared about Epstein until they saw a political motivation," while noting "the right is more on top of Epstein" and that "We actually cared," concluding with "Save me your selective outrage."

The transcript captures a short, informal discussion about Donald Trump’s handling of the Epstein files and the broader question of whether presidents protect rich and powerful people at the expense of victims in sex-crime cases. The dialogue unfolds between Speaker 0 and Speaker 1, with a recent history/politics flavor and an on-the-record moment later in the exchange. Speaker 0 begins by asking Speaker 1 how Trump fought to avoid releasing the Epstein files, noting that Trump initially indicated a release but then reversed course. Speaker 1 responds noncommittally, suggesting that Trump “probably” had friends who were involved and that Trump “saved them” from trouble. The question is framed as whether this constitutes presidential conduct—protecting powerful people rather than victims. Speaker 0 presses further, asking if protecting rich and powerful people over sex-crime victims is appropriate for a president, and whether such behavior is common in presidential history. Speaker 1 counters by pointing to historical examples, stating that many presidents have favored their friends and families, adding that while JFK’s affairs were noted, he claims Kennedy “got caught,” implying possible crimes. Speaker 0 acknowledges Kennedy’s infidelity but questions whether there were crimes, while Speaker 1 reiterates the point that Kennedy “got caught,” and asserts that such behavior is not becoming of a United States president. The conversation shifts toward evaluating current leadership: Speaker 0 asks whether Speaker 1 agrees with Trump’s protection of powerful individuals at the expense of crime victims. Speaker 1 answers, “All depends on who the powerful people are,” suggesting a conditional view rather than a blanket condemnation or approval. The discussion then veers to the expectation that a president should serve all Americans, not just the wealthy, and Speaker 0 reiterates the moral question. Speaker 1, initially evasive about personal details, asserts that they are a state representative and holds a badge, claiming to work for their country. The exchange ends with a sense of irony in the narrator’s commentary: the “moral of the story” being that it’s acceptable for Donald Trump to protect rich and powerful men because he himself is rich and powerful, effectively equating protection of the powerful with personal parity. Overall, the transcript presents a back-and-forth debate about why presidents might shield powerful individuals, how historical precedents factor into current judgments, and whether leadership should be equally accountable to all segments of society, ending with a skeptical, wrap-up sentiment about the perceived fairness of such protections.

The speaker questions why Donald Trump would be considering pardoning a known sex trafficker, Ghislaine Maxwell, and notes that there has been no satisfactory explanation from MAGA supporters. They point out that Maxwell abused kids and that Trump has already given her a “really nice prison… like a club fed,” and is now considering pardoning her. The speaker asks, “He said it. Yeah, I'd consider why? Okay, hey, would you consider pardoning Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? I bet he would say no to that, as he should. Would you consider partnering Ghislain Maxwell, a known sex trafficker who abused kids? I have to think about it. Why? Why Mago? Why? Why would he have to think about it?” They urge that, before mentioning Biden, one must explain why Donald Trump would consider it, insisting that Biden is not president and is not the answer. The speaker asserts that Biden wasn’t the one who made a big deal about releasing the Epstein files. In contrast, they claim Trump attacked Biden for not releasing the Epstein files, whereas Biden assumed DOJ was doing their job and Trump didn’t. The speaker maintains that Trump can release the Epstein files right now. They further state that if someone brings up Biden in response, the only acceptable way to do so without appearing to defend a sex trafficker would be to first answer the question: why would Donald Trump even consider it? The speaker ends by saying they look forward to reading the response.

Speaker 1 questions why House Republicans haven't released Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book, which is under the FBI director's control, to expose alleged pedophiles. When asked if he would declassify the Epstein files, Speaker 1 says he would, but expresses concern about potentially affecting people's lives if the information is phony. Speaker 0 says the issue is bigger than Epstein, 9/11, JFK, or RFK, and asks who is on the Epstein tapes and in the black books, questioning why this information has been hidden. Speaker 3 mentions Donald Trump has discussed the DOJ potentially releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Speaker 2 claims that the release is under review, following a directive by President Trump, stating that everything will come out to the public because Americans have a right to know.

The speaker describes a perceived flip in the political dynamic around the Epstein files, calling the current moment “political bizarro world.” They observe that on the right, voices now say to move on from the Epstein files, treating it as no big deal, while on the left, voices push for releasing and declassifying the files, with Democrats even attempting to force a floor vote. The speaker notes that during the Trump era, Epstein was a campaign issue, with Trump and several administration members stressing the importance and urgency of releasing the files, and even FBI director Cash Patel reportedly saying it should be the number-one priority. The speaker claims that a majority of Trump voters would have supported releasing the Epstein files on day one, and asserts that this topic was once central to Trump’s political base. In contrast, they point out that in the present moment, the right is urging no action and the left is demanding action, highlighting a stark reversal in public and media positions. Media coverage is described as contradictory to the past: the speaker says CNN and MSNBC are now treating the Epstein files as their biggest story, with Democrats actively calling for declassification and release. They cite Democrats writing songs and posting on social media to advocate for release, suggesting an active and vocal push from the left. A year earlier, the speaker contends, the situation was reversed: right-wing figures demanded the Epstein files, Republican Trump-era officials supported it, and Democrats were largely silent or dismissed the issue as conspiracy theory for involving Bill Clinton. Now, the speaker argues, Democrats are pursuing release while Trump-related figures and right-wing elements retort with resistance or minimal engagement. The speaker uses the juxtaposition to argue that politicians, down to voters, appear highly controlled and capable of swiftly switching sides on the Epstein issue, illustrating broader impressions of partisan manipulation. They suggest broader themes such as “no new wars,” “no new foreign entanglements,” and “no new strikes” as possible contexts for the shifting narratives, alongside reactions to Iran-related actions and Middle East involvement, though they acknowledge these as speculative links. Ultimately, the speaker emphasizes how drastic the shift around the Epstein files feels, labeling it the most political bizarro-world moment and, in their view, a return to “clown world”—now in an inverted, bizarro form.

In the discussion, Congressmen Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie were shown viewing the unredacted Epstein files on Capitol Hill, including material that had been previously redacted by the DOJ. The hosts question why large portions of the files were redacted and accuse Pam Bondi’s team of noncompliance with the Epstein Transparency Act. They suggest the move to foreground Bondi is a signal of political maneuvering to manage the release of the documents. Speaker 1 presents a Super Bowl ad urging the DOJ to release what the law requires, followed by a note that Epstein’s associate and alleged child sex trafficking figure Ghislain (Ghislaine) Maxwell appeared before Congress and invoked the Fifth Amendment when asked about the men who allegedly abused underage girls. Ro Khanna’s reaction is shared: Maxwell should not be in a cushy setting and should be sent back to maximum security. Speaker 2 emphasizes that, of the files released, the names of clients and coconspirators in the sex trafficking ring have not been disclosed, while victims’ names have been released. This is framed as either over-redaction or omission, with a claim that government names should not be redacted under the Transparency Act. Speaker 0 introduces Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who explains her perspective. She notes the urgency of transparency and states that victims deserve the truth, accusing the DOJ of failing to comply with the Epstein Transparency Act and calling out a persistent “battle” over the release of files even after the 2025 law. Speaker 3 (Greene) describes the impact of the disclosures, noting that the files reveal “violence, possibly murder,” and that survivors’ testimonies are harrowing. She recounts facing personal and political backlash for pushing disclosure, arguing that the administration and many Republicans have shifted their positions since the revelations. She asserts that the released files show that “the DOJ breaking the law” through redactions of names of former presidents, secretaries of state, and government officials, while leaving victim information exposed. Speaker 4 asks Greene about the possibility that the information might point to a broader, deeper network. Greene responds by stating that the files include FBI forms about Epstein, implying a level of official involvement, and asserts that the Trump administration has not released the information; she claims President Trump referred to the Epstein issue as a “Democrat hoax” and that Pam Bondi, who works for Trump, controls the release. Greene suggests the “independent counsel” would be the American people themselves, explaining distrust toward political figures and the two-party system. She shares that she would not vote to support foreign aid or a central bank digital currency, and notes the chilling effect of the retaliation she and Massey have faced from party structures, including loss of campaign staff and suggestions of political blacklisting. Speaker 0 asks about potential accountability or a special counsel and whether there might be more significant revelations. Greene predicts limited accountability, arguing that the president has influence over DOJ and other agencies, and that the people are the true independent counsel. She laments the “uni-party” dynamic and predicts continued resistance to releasing the full Epstein files. Towards the end, Greene reiterates that she does not plan to run for higher office and reflects on the broader political environment, emphasizing that the public’s demand for transparency could drive change. The dialogue closes with Greene expressing willingness to return and discuss further.

The speaker contends that the real reason for hard efforts to prevent the release of the files for months is to protect billionaires, friends of the speaker and associated political donors. They claim Epstein had close ties to our own intelligence agencies and Israel's intelligence agencies, and argue that there will be attempts to stop this somewhere else, which they believe will backfire.