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Both parties have a history of questioning election legitimacy. Hillary Clinton and Jimmy Carter, among others, delegitimized Donald Trump's 2016 win. Clinton continues to be unrepentant about this. The Obama administration used the apparatus of government to spread the falsehood that Russia got Trump elected, even though intelligence reports judged Russian meddling as insignificant. According to the speaker, there was a conspiracy using government and intel agencies to delegitimize Trump. The speaker cites John Brennan's flippant response to the unverified Steele dossier as evidence of this. The speaker references the book "Rigged" by Molly Hemingway, which details the Democrats' disregard. Democrats, including Raskin, voted against seating electors in 2016, claiming the election was rigged. The speaker concludes that both parties have accused each other of election malfeasance and suggests moving forward.

The discussion centers on whether high-ranking Democrats abused their intelligence positions to convince Americans that Russia stole the 2016 election. One participant alleges a conspiracy led by Obama, claiming Democrats couldn't believe Trump won and wanted to delegitimize his presidency. Counterarguments emphasize that a bipartisan committee, including Marco Rubio, concluded Russia interfered, but didn't change votes. The conversation explores whether the issue is the intelligence community's conclusions or public belief. One participant defends Obama's actions, citing his transition with Trump. Another claims Obama was the architect of the Russian collusion narrative, feeding fake intelligence to the media. A counterpoint is made that Trump acted differently when Biden won. One person suggests the conversation is a distraction tactic employed by Donald Trump.

The speaker claims the focus on the Epstein files is a "hoax" started and run by Democrats for four years, involving figures like Christopher Wray and Comey. They compare it to the Steele dossier and the 51 intelligence agents, labeling it all a "big hoax" perpetrated by Democrats, with some Republicans falling into the trap. The speaker believes this "Epstein hoax" distracts from discussing their achievements, such as the economy and progress in the Middle East. They express frustration that people are "doing the Democrats' work" by focusing on Epstein instead of these accomplishments.

The speaker claims that a declassified oversight report reveals irrefutable evidence that President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of a false intelligence community assessment (ICA). This assessment promoted a contrived narrative that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump win, which the speaker alleges was untrue. The report supposedly details how they manufactured findings, suppressed evidence, and disobeyed intelligence standards to subvert the will of the American people and undermine Trump's legitimacy, launching a "years long coup." The speaker asserts that Putin's principal interest was to undermine faith in the US democratic process, not to favor a specific candidate. The speaker claims that John Brennan and the intelligence community intentionally suppressed intelligence that Putin was saving damaging material on Hillary Clinton until after the election, including possible criminal acts. Brennan and the IC allegedly mischaracterized intelligence, relied on the Steele dossier, and excluded information contradicting the ICA's claims about Putin's support for Trump. The speaker states that multiple intelligence community assessments concluded Russia had neither the intent nor capability to impact the election outcome.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

"Your justice department is also sending some of the Epstein files over to the house oversight committee today." "Are you are you in support of them releasing all of them? It open? If they wanted to release people shouldn't be hurt, but I'm in support of keeping it totally open." "I couldn't care less." "The whole Epstein thing is a Democrat hoax." "So we had the greatest six months, seven months in the history of the presidency." "And the Democrats don't know what to do, so they keep bringing up that stuff." "The Bill Clinton was on his plane and went to the island supposedly 28 times." "You have Larry, whatever his name is, Summers, the head of Harvard, who was Jeffrey Epstein's best friend." "This is a democratic hoax to try and get the the significance of what we've done over the past seven months." "Nobody's ever seen anything like it." "They say it's number one in history."

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss whether arrests will occur under Trump and how they might be framed. - Speaker 0 asks if arrests will happen under Trump and if figures like Bill Clinton or Obama will be arrested, suggesting that any arrests might be part of “dark handing the keys off to the light” and that the deep state would sacrifice some players. - Speaker 1 responds by outlining alleged close connections: Trump was one of Epstein’s closest friends; Howard Letnick was Epstein’s neighbor; the first lady was Epstein’s girlfriend. He argues that Epstein’s relationship to Israel and the Mossad, and the president’s loyalty to Israel, are significant, and contends that many would say this loyalty goes beyond the United States. He adds a dismissive remark that the other speaker is “smoking dope.” - Speaker 0 contends there will be arrests but believes they will be for optics to bolster support for Trump, implying the releases would be to energize followers and that “deep state players” will be sacrificed. - Speaker 1 refers to certain individuals as “chew toys,” naming Fauci and Gates, suggesting they are used as targets or distractions. He reiterates skepticism that any arrests have occurred so far, noting that Trump has been in power for a year and there hasn’t been an arrest. - The conversation touches on the speed of data-center-related actions and mentions “Stargate” as part of what Trump did, implying rapid actions or moves on day one.

The speaker asserts that the effort to release the Epstein files came directly from President Trump. They acknowledge that many people may have a hard time with this claim, but state that it is the truth. The speaker also says that Trump fought the hardest to stop these files from being released.

Speaker 0 states that the intelligence community assessment at the time contained no information about the election's impact and never mentioned collusion. According to Speaker 0, they are accused of a conspiracy by those who misrepresent the facts. Speaker 0 claims President Obama instructed them not to do anything that would affect the election's outcome or release reports naming American citizens. Speaker 0 says they carried out their responsibilities with integrity. Speaker 1 claims the report contains extensive information relating to collusion and obstruction. Speaker 1 believes anyone can identify interactions and meetings between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and Russians, and that it was enlightening.

The speaker is unsure why their supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein is dead and was never a big factor. The speaker believes the credible information has been given. They contrast the Epstein case with the "Mueller witch hunt" and the Steele dossier, which they claim was all fake. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. They suggest that only "pretty bad people, including fake news" want to keep it going. They state that if there is any credible information, it should be released.

The speaker claims that the biggest scandal was when their campaign was spied on, but the other person disagrees, saying there is no evidence. The speaker insists that it is all over the place and that it was bad for Biden. The other person explains that they can't put on things they can't verify. The speaker continues to assert that it has been verified and that they got caught. The other person denies knowing about it.

News alert discusses Tulsi Gabbard releasing a report alleging a conspiracy by a sitting president, Barack Obama, and U.S. intel agencies to undermine Donald Trump’s presidency and the 2016 election. The report claims there is irrefutable evidence that Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment they knew was false, promoting a narrative that Russia interfered in 2016 to help Trump win. Gabbard says she obtained a House Intelligence Committee report that had been locked away in a CIA vault for nearly a decade, and investigators spent over two thousand hours interviewing 20 CIA and FBI officials. The assertion is that the Obama administration doctored intelligence to imply Putin and Trump colluded to steal the election, with a highly unusual, rush-developed assessment produced a month after Trump’s victory. John Brennan allegedly handpicked five CIA analysts to write the assessment, who were siloed and not aware of each other’s work, with only one analyst in charge of drafting. The process was described as a rush job with no coordination with other intelligence agencies, essentially “home cooking” for Obama. The four key elements repeated in the assessment, forming the basis of the Russia hoax and the Mueller investigation, are: 1) that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to win; 2) Putin took actions to help Trump win; 3) the Russians had blackmail on Trump (the Steele dossier); and 4) that the Russians tried colluding with the Trump campaign. The claim is that none of these were true, and there was no reliable intelligence to support them. Senior CIA officials allegedly refused to propagate these allegations, but were overruled by CIA Director Brennan and FBI Director Comey, who pressed for them despite lacking verifiable evidence. The report alleges the Obama administration cherry-picked intelligence, misquoted sources, did not corroborate claims, suppressed counter-evidence, and even used anonymous internet postings. Rank-and-file CIA personnel allegedly admitted that these actions violated tradecraft standards, with a pressure campaign emanating from political appointees, the CIA director, and Obama himself. Speaker 1 asserts that Donald Trump knows Russia helped him win in 2016. Speaker 2 suggests Putin’s preference for Trump came from his dislike of Hillary Clinton, who was running, while Speaker 3 states Russia sought to interfere systematically to advance Trump’s prospects. The conversation notes that at one point, 60% of Democrats believed Russia hacked voting machines to aid Trump, yet the report contends Russians aimed to create chaos and undermine faith in democracy, with solid intelligence indicating Putin had no clear preference between Clinton and Trump but had dirt on Clinton that was not released. The discussion questions why the dirt from the DNC emails and claims about Clinton’s health, including tranquilizers, were not leaked to aid Trump, and whether the information about Clinton’s health is credible. The panel suggests that if Russia sought to influence the election, more damning information would have been released. The speakers claim Obama and top intelligence leaders mischaracterized intelligence and relied on dubious sources to craft a narrative of Putin’s preference for Trump. They contend Obama continued pushing the hoax after the election, describing it as undermining democracy. Towards the end, there is mention of potential criminal implications, with references to referrals to the Department of Justice and FBI for investigation, including possible liability for Obama. A tester voices that Brennan may have committed perjury before Congress. A final note asserts that the CIA did not rely on the Steele dossier for the intelligence community assessment, countering a claim made in the discussion. The segment closes with a call for accountability.

Speaker 0 says that over the last several weeks they declassified and released documents exposing that President Obama and leaders in the intelligence community knowingly manufactured a false intelligence document after the 2016 election. The document alleged that Russia aspired to help President Trump win the election with the aim of undermining his presidency and usurping the will and the voices of the American people who sent Trump to the White House.

- Speaker 0 states they believe certain people are dishonest and crooked and that they may have to pay a price; they insist they are truly bad and dishonest people, and imply consequences may follow. - Speaker 1 discusses a criminal investigation into James Comey and John Brennan related to the so-called Russian collusion hoax, asserting they tried to ruin Trump’s life and that he prevailed. - Speaker 1 notes that for years, ranking members of Congress, the intelligence community, and the FBI claimed Donald Trump was colluding with Russia to win the 2016 election, and that this was continued through his first presidency. - Speaker 2 references emails suggesting Donald Trump Jr. was willing to collude with Russia, questioning how to know what happens when Trump and Putin meet, and suggests Trump’s repeated denials of collusion may have been truthful. - Speaker 3 asks if there has been any evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and Speaker 2 disagrees, saying there is plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight. - Speaker 1 cites a recently declassified CIA “lessons learned” document from John Ratcliffe noting that the investigation was messed up, aimed at preventing Trump from winning and then hampering his agenda, and mentions multiple procedural anomalies in the preparation of the ICA (intelligence community assessment). - They walk through the timeline: Christopher Steele, a former MI-6 officer with Russian intel expertise, was hired by Fusion GPS, which was paid by Perkins Coie for Hillary Clinton’s campaign (notably Mark Elias) to produce opposition research on Trump; this unvetted dossier was used to bolster the case and was shopped to media to create a narrative of Trump-Russia ties, then used as a legal hook to push a narrative. - Speaker 1 argues Hillary Clinton leveraged influence to funnel the unverified dossier into the FBI and into a FISA warrant for Carter Page, noting it was not disclosed that the dossier was funded by Hillary Clinton, which they view as a major omission. - Ratcliffe’s document is cited as saying including the Steele dossier in the ICA undermined credibility and ran counter to tradecraft principles. - A second parallel element involved Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer paid by Fusion GPS and Clinton campaign, who met Don Jr. at Trump Tower; Don Jr. texted during the meeting that he was unsure what was happening, and the meeting was publicly used to support the Steele dossier claims about Trump’s ties to Russia. - The Speaker covers Hillary Clinton’s classified server issue, including the use of BleachBit and hammers, and notes DNC servers were hacked by Russia; they frame these events as being used to shift focus to Trump collusion. - They describe Crossfire Hurricane as the investigation into Trump, calling it an “insurance policy” to deflect attention from Clinton’s classified server issues and to portray Trump as guilty, describing the investigations into Trump associates (Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Manafort, Flynn) as efforts to keep the narrative alive even after Trump’s election victory. - Speaker 1 asserts Mueller’s appointment was scope-limited but later expanded, allowing broad access and substantial taxpayer cost; Brennan and Comey are accused of feeding initial information for a political purpose, with high-level agency involvement and misrepresentation in Congress. - They claim there was never any actual evidence of Russian collusion charged against the Trump campaign. - They mention Charles McGonigal, a former FBI counterintelligence official, as someone charged in connection with Russia, implying the broader narrative was invalid and asserting that those involved lied. - The speakers conclude that the entire setup was a scam and express a desire for accountability.

An individual accuses another of repeatedly presenting unnamed FBI agents' words as truth on their network, leading viewers to believe Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin conspired in 2016, which they claim is false. The other individual denies the accusation. They then state that President Trump went to extraordinary lengths to keep specifics about his meetings with Vladimir Putin secret, even from his own administration. They play a clip of President Trump responding to a question about whether he ever worked for Russia, where he calls it insulting but does not directly answer. The individual then asks if the president of the United States ever worked on behalf of the Russians against American interests.

Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

Speaker 0 states that Trump has accused people who didn't break the law of breaking the law regarding the election and that Trump said Liz Cheney should be put before a war tribunal. Speaker 1 rejects the premise, claiming Speaker 0 is imputing things, taking words out of context, and combining separate conversations. Speaker 1 believes Trump is more reasonable than people like Liz Cheney. Speaker 1 accuses the network of pushing the "Russia hoax" by taking the words of unnamed FBI agents as truth, leading viewers to believe Trump and Putin conspired in 2016. Speaker 0 counters that they covered an FBI investigation. Speaker 1 says the network gave credence to anonymous sources' accusations. Speaker 0 wants to discuss things Trump has said this week, but Speaker 1 wants to discuss the economy.

The president questions why his supporters are so interested in the Epstein story and says he doesn’t understand the interest or fascination. Epstein is dead a long time and was never a big factor in life, and he doesn’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. He states that credible information has been given, and mentions the Mueller witch hunt and the Steele dossier as fake, asserting that all that information was fake. He describes the Epstein case as pretty boring stuff, sorted but boring, and doesn’t understand why it keeps going. He adds that only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going, and that credible information should be let them have it.

The speaker questions why Donald Trump would be considering pardoning a known sex trafficker, Ghislaine Maxwell, and notes that there has been no satisfactory explanation from MAGA supporters. They point out that Maxwell abused kids and that Trump has already given her a “really nice prison… like a club fed,” and is now considering pardoning her. The speaker asks, “He said it. Yeah, I'd consider why? Okay, hey, would you consider pardoning Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? I bet he would say no to that, as he should. Would you consider partnering Ghislain Maxwell, a known sex trafficker who abused kids? I have to think about it. Why? Why Mago? Why? Why would he have to think about it?” They urge that, before mentioning Biden, one must explain why Donald Trump would consider it, insisting that Biden is not president and is not the answer. The speaker asserts that Biden wasn’t the one who made a big deal about releasing the Epstein files. In contrast, they claim Trump attacked Biden for not releasing the Epstein files, whereas Biden assumed DOJ was doing their job and Trump didn’t. The speaker maintains that Trump can release the Epstein files right now. They further state that if someone brings up Biden in response, the only acceptable way to do so without appearing to defend a sex trafficker would be to first answer the question: why would Donald Trump even consider it? The speaker ends by saying they look forward to reading the response.

Weed through a complete searchable database of 26,000 files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The speaker has spent hours and hours examining these files and will spend the coming days giving an inside look at them. A taste of the range of materials includes bizarre emails where Epstein is suspiciously dumping lists of names, including Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, and Woody Allen. There are emails over the years in which Epstein works with outside consultants to scrub Google search results and essentially bleach the Internet of bad press, claiming they can provide reinforcement from sites like Harvard and other publications they influence to meet Epstein’s needs. In another email, Epstein and Larry Summers, the former Harvard president and board member for OpenAI, are emailing about an article involving Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. Epstein mysteriously says he has some great stories after just coming back from a week of “Jeffrey style” meetings. There are also many emails related to Trump. Despite Trump’s public claim that the whole affair is a scam—with arrows pointing to the Democrats—the files show that he is mentioned in these emails more than anyone else. The speaker invites audiences to follow along as these files are examined and to work to hold everyone involved accountable.

Speaker 1: "It absolutely was" for Comer to send subpoenas to the Clintons, arguing Democrats tried to redefine Epstein as anything but "the fact that Democrat billionaires and Democrat political leaders went to Epstein Island all the time." He adds, "What you saw in the House's subpoena is they are trying to investigate all of the things related to this particular case," noting "Clinton ... allegedly, he went to the island 26 times, 28 times," and calls it "totally appropriate for Comer to be asking what was going on with that island." He advocates indictments in the Russia collusion matter, claiming "they defrauded the American people" to push Hillary Clinton's campaign talking points, and "laundering" them through the intelligence services, a "violation of the people's trust." He explains: "There was no meeting at my house last night," but confirms a White House meeting not about Epstein, and says the president wants "full transparency" with "thousands and thousands of documents." He vows to focus on 2026 midterms before discussing 2028.

"We look at where we are now over the last several weeks. We've declassified and released documents that exposed how president Obama and leaders in the intelligence community knowingly manufactured a false intelligence document after the twenty sixteen election was done, after the American people said, no, we want Donald Trump to go and be our commander in chief, not Hillary Clinton." "And this manufactured document alleged that Russia aspired to help president Trump win the election with the aim of undermining his presidency and usurping the will and the voices of the American people who sent Trump to the White House."

The speaker doesn't understand why supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor. The speaker believes credible information has been given and references the Mueller investigation and steel dossier as examples of fake information. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed, suggesting only bad people and fake news want to keep it going. The speaker states that if there is credible information, it should be released. The speaker is then asked a question about AI.

Transcript centers on truth and why Epstein files should be public. They note both parties avoid real reasons. Speaker 1 says the president views it as “all a trap” and that it “reminds him of Russiagate”—an attempt by Democrats to ensnare him in a fake scandal; “he's not... never did anything creepy,” the speaker says. The speaker argues transparency would have helped “the country” and “the administration,” giving it credibility. They speculate why disclosure is feared: “could it be that Trump was there and he just doesn't wanna jeopardize his presidency even putting it out there?” Epstein is described as “the center of New York society for... decades.” The claim: “I don't think having dinner at his house or even necessarily going to his island is proof of a crime.” Finally, they note “Epstein had contact with Israeli intelligence” and “British intelligence”—“probably scarier than Mossad and CIA.”

Speaker 0: By a member of the Ukrainian parliament. Let's talk about the tape recording evidence. Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah. We don't know much about it because it's floating around Ukraine, but we do know the general prosecutor of Ukraine, our equivalent of the attorney general, came on our show this morning and said the following. There's enough evidence for me to open up a criminal investigation into the illicit effort by a Ukrainian to try to influence the United States election in favor of Hillary Clinton. That's a profound statement coming from the top law enforcement official of Ukraine. Why is it important? There's a court in Ukraine that's already concluded that, Ukrainian officials leaked Paul Manafort's financial records to try to sway the US election. You haven't heard anything about that in the American press, but that ruling occurred recently. Then a parliamentary member comes out and says, I have a tape of these law enforcement officials saying they did it specifically to help Hillary Clinton. That becomes the foundation of the Ukrainian investigation. Speaker 0: You have talked to people that have heard this tape. Correct? Speaker 1: Well, the, the prosecutor himself has heard the tape and said it was important enough, good enough evidence to warrant opening the investigation. So the tape, the court ruling, the top prosecutor in Ukraine says there was a foreign power Speaker 0: Two separate issues here. Number one Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: Did Ukrainian officials offered us evidence that, in fact, they were involved in election interference in 2016 to help Hillary Clinton's campaign? But why didn't anybody in in the media pursue the interference story? And I thought they cared about interference, but, obviously, only if it's Russian interference and Trump because we know they don't care about the dirty Russian dossier. Speaker 1: That's right. Keep in mind that just a few months ago, Sean, we reported on your on your show and inside the hill that Ukraine's embassy in Washington confirmed on the record that back in 2016, the Democratic National Committee trying to help Hillary Clinton get elected asked the Ukraine Embassy to help interfere in the election by doing two things, dig up dirt on Paul Manafort and have Ukraine's president make a kerfuffle here in Washington about Manafort and Trump when he came to visit. Now the Ukrainians say they they rebuffed that attempt, but Hillary Clinton's campaign, the DNC, made that request according to the, Ukraine embassy in