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The speakers discuss their concerns about authoritarian government and the refusal to accept election results. They mention Biden's vaccine mandate and Trump's refusal to concede the election. They debate the legitimacy of the election and the role of the electoral commission. The conversation touches on the 2000 election and the media's treatment of Trump. They express a desire for more balanced reporting and a need for trust in the electoral process.

Speaker 1 questions why radical transparency in elections wasn't proposed four years ago and accuses the former president of trashing the system for four years, stating there were dangerous consequences to the president's lies and that people died on January 6th. Speaker 0 claims the only person who died on January 6th was Ashley Babbitt, who was murdered. Speaker 1 acknowledges there were injuries. Speaker 0 asserts people who broke into the Capitol are responsible for their actions, not Donald Trump. Speaker 1 says they don't have to yell.

Joseph R. Biden is the president of the United States, according to Speaker 1. Speaker 0 asks if he was duly elected and is lawfully serving, to which Speaker 1 simply repeats that he is the president without addressing the specific language used.

Hillary Clinton conceded the election to Trump on the night of the election, but later expressed that she believed he was an illegitimate president. While one side argues she is the original election denier, the other counters that she accepted the outcome but was disappointed. The discussion highlights the difference between conceding an election and questioning its legitimacy afterward. Clinton's statements about Trump being illegitimate are cited, but there’s a debate over whether her disappointment equates to denial. Ultimately, the conversation reflects on the complexities of election outcomes and perceptions of legitimacy.

In this video, the speakers discuss the legitimacy of the 2016 election and the alleged hacking by Russia. Speaker 2 claims that the election was stolen and that Russia hacked it, while Speaker 1 emphasizes the illegitimacy of President Trump. They mention protests and violence that occurred after the election. Overall, the speakers express their belief that the election was not fair and that Trump is an illegitimate president. They also mention efforts to challenge the election results and call for Clinton to become president. The video ends with a discussion on the impact of these beliefs on the peaceful transition of power.

Speaker 0 questions the strength of the new president's mandate, noting he won the popular vote by only 1.5% and the general election with less than 50% of the vote. Speaker 1 argues that the president does have a mandate, stating they are not a supporter of Trump, but of truth and facts. The president won every swing state, increased voter turnout among Black, Latino, and young voters, and 89% of counties shifted to the right. Republicans hadn't won the popular vote since 2004, but they did this year, also winning the electoral college. Speaker 1 doesn't understand how people can look at that and say there's no mandate. Speaker 0 suggests they have different definitions of a mandate. Speaker 1 believes Democrats may use the close margin as an excuse to avoid changing their strategy.

Speaker 0 questions the need for a new tone in politics, believing the current tone is fine. They criticize the media for comparing Trump to Hitler and question the legitimacy of the 2020 election. Speaker 1 challenges Speaker 0's claims of election fraud and defamation. Speaker 0 refuses to concede and accuses Speaker 1 of being part of fake news. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 dismissing Speaker 1's questions and asserting their beliefs.

Speaker 0: They reject the rule of law and the will of the people, refusing to accept the election results. Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, May 16, 2017, claimed our election was hijacked and there is no doubt about it. Speaker 2: Even if you run a great campaign, become the nominee, the election can still be stolen from you. Speaker 0: Trump did not truly win the 2016 election; he lost. Speaker 1: He knows he's an illegitimate president who didn't really win. How do we fight against him in 2020? He's illegitimate. Speaker 3: He's illegitimate, and my biggest fear is that he'll do it again with the help of his pal Vlad. We'll be stuck with him for 6 more terrifying years. Speaker 0: Would you be my vice presidential candidate? I agree. Speaker 1: Bush versus Gore, a court took away the presidency. Al Gore was the true winner. Speaker 4: I believe I won the last presidential election. They stole it. Speaker 0: Al Gore won that election, or at least I think he did. Speaker 5: Rolling Stone questioned if the 2004 election was stolen. Speaker 4: I witnessed troubling evidence that not every vote was counted in Illinois 4 years ago. Speaker 1: The November 2, 2004 election was not transparent or accurate. There are legitimate questions about our election system's accuracy. Despite the final tally, I have one affirmative statement to make.

Speaker 0 discusses a transcript of a call from President Trump trying to overturn the election. They play an audio clip where Trump mentions criminal events. Speaker 1 feels threatened by Trump's comments about overseas ballots. Speaker 2 thought Trump believed he won the race but had investigated all allegations.

The speaker questions the legitimacy of the presidential election results, emphasizing that being declared president by news outlets does not make it official. They suggest investigating all concerns raised. Fox News is mentioned. Another person agrees and points out the importance of looking into the matter.

Speaker 0: Jim Jordan played a significant role in Trump's attempt to challenge the election results. Speaker 1: Trump requested a vote recount, which is not the same as overthrowing the government. However, some believe the media's continuous portrayal of this narrative is influenced by project Mockingbird. Regardless, everyone involved is part of it.

The discussion centers on the 2020 election, which Speaker 1 claims was rigged due to fake ballots and other factors, including the influence of 51 intelligence agents. Speaker 0 counters that recounts in swing states and over 50 lawsuits found no widespread corruption or voter fraud, citing a potential case of voter fraud in six battleground states that uncovered fewer than 475 cases. Speaker 1 asserts Wisconsin has practically admitted the election was rigged and other states are doing the same. Speaker 0 questions how Speaker 1 will appeal to independent suburban women voters. Speaker 1 references polls showing him leading, including with women. Speaker 0 notes polls can change. Speaker 1 states he would like to be less combative but feels the press's dishonesty necessitates it to get his message across and win.

During the certification of the election results, Al Gore presided over the event as outgoing Vice President and President of the Senate. If a congressman wanted to object, they needed the signed support of one senator. One congressman objected, stating that the Supreme Court, not the people, decided the election. However, the objection was not signed by a senator. Another congressman from Arizona then objected, with the objection being in writing and signed by a senator. The video ends with a statement that President Trump was wrong in claiming the right to overturn the election.

Speaker 0 asks for reassurance that the upcoming election won't be rigged or stolen. Speaker 1 responds by mentioning that having Democrats in charge of the voting machines in Ohio is helpful. However, they also acknowledge that both Republicans and Democrats have manipulated elections in the past. Speaker 1 explains that those in power tend to try to tilt things in their favor.

Speaker 0 claimed the former president was illegitimate for 4 years. Speaker 1 argued about conceding the election and potential violence in the future. They debated about the Capitol attack and the death of Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick. Speaker 1 denied that anyone died during the attack, but Speaker 0 mentioned Sicknick's death.

The speaker states that the recounts support the correct election outcome, providing assurance that Donald Trump won without doubt. While there is no strong evidence of fraud or cyberattacks, the incomplete counts make verification imperfect. President Obama ordered an investigation into hacking before leaving office, with intelligence agencies agreeing that hacking likely influenced the outcome. Although the speaker can sleep at night, they cannot completely rule out fraud. Another speaker mentions that the recounts further confirm that the election was not hacked, increasing confidence in the election. However, they also discovered that hacking a US presidential election would be even easier than initially believed.

Speaker 0 states that labeling Donald Trump's plan as Project 2025 is not rhetoric, and claiming Trump started an insurrection is a fact. Speaker 1 argues that both examples are rhetoric and factually incorrect. Trump has stated he has nothing to do with Project 2025 and has never been charged with insurrection. Speaker 1 accuses Speaker 0 of spreading misinformation and expresses shame.

Speaker 1 questions the legitimacy of the 2020 election and refuses to concede in 2022. They accuse an Arizona official of election fraud and defamation. When confronted, Speaker 1 deflects, claiming they are in the middle of a lawsuit. They deny responsibility for inciting violence and criticize the interviewer for lack of understanding. Speaker 1 refuses to commit to conceding if they lose in November. The interview ends with Speaker 1 dismissing the interviewer.

Dan Scavino, the former social media director for the White House, became deputy chief of staff. The conversation in question took place around December 19, 2020, at the White House. During the conversation, Scavino expressed excitement and stated that they didn't care about the claims and ability to challenge the election results. He emphasized that President Trump, whom they referred to as "the boss," would not leave under any circumstances and they intended to stay in power. When reminded that it doesn't work that way, Scavino reiterated that they didn't care.

Speaker 0 states that Trump has accused people who didn't break the law of breaking the law regarding the election and that Trump said Liz Cheney should be put before a war tribunal. Speaker 1 rejects the premise, claiming Speaker 0 is imputing things, taking words out of context, and combining separate conversations. Speaker 1 believes Trump is more reasonable than people like Liz Cheney. Speaker 1 accuses the network of pushing the "Russia hoax" by taking the words of unnamed FBI agents as truth, leading viewers to believe Trump and Putin conspired in 2016. Speaker 0 counters that they covered an FBI investigation. Speaker 1 says the network gave credence to anonymous sources' accusations. Speaker 0 wants to discuss things Trump has said this week, but Speaker 1 wants to discuss the economy.

Speaker 0 expresses gratitude for the audience's presence and states that they believe it is a sad day for America. Speaker 1 asserts that challenging an election should be allowed, as they believed the election was rigged and stolen. They mention other individuals who have also challenged elections in the past. Speaker 1 claims they did nothing wrong and accuses others of election interference. They thank the audience and reiterate their right to challenge what they perceive as a dishonest election. Speaker 0 concludes by thanking everyone and suggesting a future meeting.

Speaker 0 claims most people in the country voted for Trump and that he won the popular vote. Speaker 1 disputes this, stating it was a slim majority of voters and that too few people voted. Speaker 0 says those who cared about issues voted for Trump to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse. Speaker 1 counters that lots of voters were purged from voter rolls before the election. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of election denial. Speaker 1 accuses the "narcissist in that building" of gaslighting.

Speaker 0: I won, but they cheated. We were robbed of an election. Speaker 1: I don't think it's dangerous to use words like rigged and steal because we can back it up. Speaker 0: The election was stolen from the voters, not just from me. I won't concede because our democracy is being eroded. Speaker 1: The election was not free and fair. Thousands of Georgians had their voices stolen. We can't guarantee their votes will be counted in 2020. Speaker 2: Should the Democratic nominee concede if they can prove widespread voter suppression? Speaker 1: No, we shouldn't concede until we know the results. If it looks like cheating or rigging, it probably is. Speaker 0: We've been taught to accept defeat, but I refuse to concede. The process was not fair. Speaker 1: The election was stolen from Georgia voters. As long as eligible citizens can't vote, the system is rigged. I didn't lose, I just didn't win. Speaker 0: I didn't win officially. We don't know what really happened because of voter suppression. Speaker 1: He is the legal governor, but that doesn't mean he won legitimately. Speaker 0: Just because you win doesn't mean you won. We'll never know for sure if I got more votes. Speaker 1: I refuse to concede because it wasn't fair or right. He performed poorly and crassly against the people he represents. Speaker 1: Georgia voters were suppressed, their votes weren't counted. Brian Kemp dismantled our democracy. Speaker 0: I recognize I'm not the governor, but we won.

Speaker 0 asks if the speaker is trying to say that President Trump will still be president after January 20th. Speaker 1 responds that it depends on what happens on Wednesday and that's why they have the debate. Speaker 0 disagrees, stating that the states certify the election and Congress doesn't have the right to overturn it. Speaker 1 mentions the 12th Amendment and a statute from the 1800s that allows objections and certification in court. Speaker 0 brings up the Tilden Hayes race and how all states have certified their elections. Speaker 1 clarifies that they are referring to the statute that governs what Congress does on January 6th, allowing for debate and certification. They emphasize that this is their only opportunity to raise an objection. They also mention not having standing to file lawsuits.

Are you prepared to say under oath that Donald Trump lost the presidential contest to Joe Biden in 2020? President Biden is the president of the United States, having been duly sworn in after a peaceful transition of power. Trump left office and was overwhelmingly elected in 2024. Do you have any doubts that Joe Biden had the necessary electoral votes to be elected president in 2020? As a prosecutor, I accept that Joe Biden is the president. I witnessed many things during my time in Pennsylvania as an advocate for the campaign. While I accept the results, I believe we should all want election integrity and ensure our elections are free and fair, following the rules and laws. I think that question deserves a yes or no, and your lengthy answer suggests you weren't prepared to answer yes.