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Stanislav Krapivnik, a former US army officer from Donbas, returns to discuss the escalation of NATO-Russia proxy warfare, the role of drones, and potential strategic escalations. The conversation centers on how Europe is contributing to deep strikes in Russia, especially against energy installations, and the resulting danger of a broader conflict. Key points and claims, as presented: - Drones and deep strikes: The EU, through its defense alignment, aims to overwhelm Russian air defenses and threaten strategic assets, including nuclear-capable targets, by using long-range drones. The objective is to degrade Russian defensive systems and the production rate of missiles, potentially opening the path to strikes on radars, early warning systems, strategic assets like bombers, and even nuclear submarines in port. - Nuclear war risk: The interviewee asserts that by mid-to-late summer there could be a zone of possible nuclear war if ground warfare arises or escalates due to Western actions. He notes that Russia’s anti-aircraft and early warning capabilities are limited to manageable scopes, with occasional corridors allowing strikes in, and that Europe’s current strategy could push the conflict toward a nuclear dimension. - Deterrence and first strikes: The discussion contrasts U.S. first-strike doctrine with other nations’ second-strike assurances. The speaker argues that in a blinded Russia, the logic for targeted first strikes becomes stronger for the other side, while lamenting that Europe’s leadership might be pushing toward a nuclear exchange. He cites studies suggesting that as few as 47 key targets could collapse the U.S. in a nuclear context, highlighting the fragility of a high-tech economy under nuclear disruption. - European psyche and policy: There is criticism of what the speaker describes as a mass psychosis in Europe, where warnings about striking Russia’s early radar or deterrent systems are dismissed in favor of defending Ukraine. The rhetoric suggests deep political and media reinforcement of pro-Ukraine narratives, with limited space for risk discussion about nuclear consequences. - Energy installations and economy: While drone strikes have targeted oil facilities, the speaker notes that most damage has been to storage facilities rather than critical infrastructure like pipelines or refineries. Refineries are large, and damage to some vessels can take longer to repair. Russia’s production has not been significantly reduced, but the attacks are accelerating a shift of energy facilities eastward toward Asia, while Europe faces higher oil prices on the spot market and potential disruptions to gas routes like TurkStream and Caspian Pipeline Authority, with broader economic impact on Southeastern Europe and Turkey. - Russia’s response and drone modernization: The Russian military has reorganized its drone capabilities, forming dedicated drone battalions and establishing new schools to standardize and professionalize drone operations. The move encompasses reconnaissance, kamikaze, bombing, and supply drones, with adjustments after initial disorganization. Ukrainians reportedly helped inspire and provide drone countermeasures, and Russia’s modernization integrates drones with air defenses. - Zelensky and Victory Day threat: The possibility of Zelensky threatening to strike Moscow’s Victory Day parade is discussed. The guest suggests Zelensky would want to be at the head of such a move, while acknowledging the uncertainty of who controls decisions in Kyiv and the level of Western involvement. The parade’s downscaled format is noted, but the broader question remains whether such a strike could occur. The guest asserts that Russian deterrence may have been eroded, and Western actors might not take credible deterrence seriously until an incident occurs. - Africa and Mali: Russia’s activities in Africa, especially Mali, are described as significant. Mali’s leadership under Asimi Goata is navigating between Western and Russian influence. Russian forces, including elements from the former Wagner group now under the Russian defense ministry, are described as rebuilding Mali’s military and supporting a campaign by jihadist groups. The situation includes rapid, mobile “flying columns” that can cause chaos but lack staying power against organized defenses. Russian drones and aviation (including ME-20 aircraft) are reportedly effective, and Mali is moving toward energy and resource development, including three nuclear power plants proposed by Russia to Elektrify the country. France’s position is framed as colonial, with Mali’s uranium, gold, and other resources creating strategic interest. Burkina Faso’s involvement and regional dynamics involving Niger are cited as part of a broader, expanding conflict network across Africa. - Global frontlines and war risk: The guest argues that multiple frontlines are forming—Ukraine, the Persian Gulf, and Western Africa—and that they could merge into a single broader conflict if not stopped. He asserts that the West is driving this escalation, and he characterizes Western public sentiment as often indifferent to Ukrainian casualties, focusing instead on political or financial gains from the conflict. - Frontline realities: On the ground, Ukraine has tactical successes but limited staying power due to heavy casualties and supply problems. Russian forces are reportedly stronger in Donbas, Kherson, and Sumy, while Ukrainian forces face difficult conditions, including open fields and heavy artillery advantages for the Russians. Drone warfare has prompted reorganized Russian drone corps, with improved training and standardized units. The discussion ends with a warning that the conflict has global implications, with fronts expanding and risks of a broader, possibly world-scale war if not curtailed. The interviewee emphasizes that the West’s actions are fueling escalation and that African theaters, particularly Mali, are becoming an integral part of the wider confrontation.

Gaddafi's plan to introduce the Gold Dinar threatened Western monetary dominance. His vision of a united Africa with a common currency aimed to free the continent from Western exploitation. Economic sanctions were imposed to stop him. Despite this, Gaddafi persisted, but covert operations led to his downfall. Libya became unstable, Africa lost a visionary leader, and hopes for economic liberation were dashed. Corruption in governments continues to benefit the few at the expense of many, perpetuating economic injustice globally. Translation: Gaddafi's plan for a new currency challenged the West, leading to sanctions and his downfall. Africa lost a leader, and corruption persists, hindering economic justice.

Benghazi was a logistics hub for arming anti-Assad terrorists. Russia exposed this operation by attacking the CIA center, putting a stop to it. The Western media didn't report on it. The efforts to overthrow Assad continue, but now weapons are primarily coming from Croatia. This poses a threat to Russia, so they are waging war against America by targeting our weak economy, specifically the oil-backed dollar.

To understand the New World Order, it's crucial to recognize the Rothschild family's influence and the City of London's financial power. The Bank of England, Temple Bar, and the Rothschild estate are key players in this global agenda. John McCain sought support from the Rothschilds, who control media and academia. The socialist agenda is backed by elites, not the masses. Murdoch's media empire shapes UK policy, while Gaddafi's attempt to change currency led to his downfall. Libya's free education and healthcare were replaced by debt under international banking control. NATO's intervention in Libya was seen as a looting operation.

Afshin Rantansi introduces an episode of *Going Underground* from the UAE, saying that tomorrow Donald Trump is set to host Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, whose kingdom has called out the UK-U.S. EU-armed genocide in Gaza and is refusing to normalize relations with Israel. He also links current events to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and claims that Cy Hirsch, in *The Samson Option*, says Kennedy tried to push Israel to open up its Dimona nuclear weapons reactor for inspection. Rantansi argues that another secret apparatus—Operation Gladio, NATO’s clandestine terrorism network run with the CIA and MI6—was used to stage mass murder atrocities to be blamed on the left, preventing legitimate parties from coming to power in Cold War Europe and opposing Washington imperialism in the Global South, adding that “Gladio never truly ended.” Colonel Roxantana Watkins, a 30-year U.S. Air Force veteran, explains that Operation Gladio ran out of NATO and relied on secret agreements among NATO-aligned organizations to create “stay-behind units.” She says the United States, as a NATO country, also had Gladio units, and she claims that Gladio was used “everywhere,” including Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, Korea before the Korean War started, and Vietnam by the French. She says Gladio is a generic term because each country’s program had different names, but Italy did an in-depth study and revealed that its program was called Gladio—leading to the generic reference. Rantansi connects this to Italy’s post-1945 political situation, saying Italy had the largest Communist Party in Europe and that fake atrocities at railway stations were used to discredit the left. Watkins responds by claiming that “communism” became a boogeyman attributed to the Soviet Union and points to declassified CIA documents, including a story about Guatemala, saying labor organizing was often attributed to the left. She adds an account from Italy under Mussolini: she says workers’ rights were abolished, international corporations dominated transactions, and she claims the National Cash Register enabled an intelligence network to identify finances and target people. She says these “tentacles” go deep and are orchestrated around what she calls an “international syndicate” of oligarchs controlling societies to prevent democracy. Discussing the war on Russia via Ukraine, Zelensky, and Western Europe’s behavior, Watkins argues that elites maintain control by preventing societies from becoming democratic. She gives examples to support her framework: she claims Libya’s assassination after Gaddafi defied a central banking system; Venezuela’s overthrow as she describes it; and the murder of Patrice Lumumba in the early 1960s, saying Lumumba sought to use uranium to enrich his own people, and that “Operation Gladio elements” were involved, referencing Otto Skorzeny and Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence structures. Rantansi asks how Gladio could relate to Israeli interests rather than only U.S. empire. Watkins claims James Angleton sat at the Mossad desk in the CIA and the Vatican’s desk, and she links her view of Gladio to a “strategy of tension” concept. She says this concept involves creating “left and right” camps to control people, and she claims Israel became part of that strategy of tension, citing the Middle East and also describing Taiwan as a friction point in Asia. She says covert operations were funded “under the table” with drug networks, referencing Chiang Kai-shek and opium trade, and names Paul Helliwell and Castle Bank as part of her account. In part two, Rantansi asks Watkins about the live-streamed assassination of Charlie Kirk and what she thought, asserting an Israeli motive. Watkins says Kirk’s ability to get people to talk to each other threatened the apparatus, and she claims youth movements around the world are central to the “current Gladio,” citing student organizing mechanisms and saying Mossad, MI6, and CIA recruit “foot soldiers” at college age. She adds that unity-building movements have been targeted historically, and she connects this to her view of Trump’s political rise. Rantansi then raises the scale of poverty and government shutdowns, and Watkins argues that funding is cut to prevent people from rising up. She claims planned “targeted radicalizations” and says she was surprised no false flag occurred during the shutdown, comparing this to Venezuela efforts in 2019–2020 that she says failed. She also claims she has tracked “over 400 attempts to overthrow governments” with “90 successful coups.” Rantansi asks about Jeffrey Epstein revelations and whether such exposures could shock the public into overthrowing oligarchic power. Watkins describes Gladio-style operations as needing “grease” and frames blackmail as the grease that keeps the system operating, citing Epstein and alleging similar systems in other countries. She also responds to questions about Israeli influence on Trump’s administration by saying Israel comes up repeatedly in her Gladio research, including claims about Israel being involved in Reagan-era covert actions, diamond trade, and as a “cutout,” and she says it is “very troubling” to have Israeli support for politicians because of “a lot of pull” in funding.

The discussion centers on Libya’s water program during Muammar Gaddafi’s presidency. The speaker asks whether the listener is familiar with what Libya did after Gaddafi, and notes that, since he is no longer there, the program may have gone to waste. They describe Gaddafi’s project as “the eighth wonder of the world,” built around delivering water to the entire continent of Africa and the Middle East. The speaker says Gaddafi learned about water located below the desert and used that knowledge to tap into primary (underground) water. He pulled the water up and built what they describe as the largest pipeline in the world for water. The water was used to provide for Libya’s people, including enabling “organic farms” and “unlimited water” for growing. The result was described as an “organic oasis,” created by using primary water that the speaker says was indispensable and “never going to run out.” The speaker adds that the goal was to bring this water to Africa and to various countries in the Middle East. The conversation also notes that when they first went into Libya, the speaker says the water infrastructure was the first thing taken out.

Muammar Gaddafi of Libya built the great man-made river, offering incentives for farming and family-building. He aimed to transition the Libyan dinar to the gold standard, threatening western banking powers. The powers bombed the river and pipe factory. The speaker writes children's books on banking to educate about misinformation, freedom, and American rights.

ISIS fighters were airlifted by Western Coalition helicopters from Syria to Afghanistan, not reported by Western media. The US allegedly left behind ISIS fighters in Afghanistan to create chaos and hinder development in the region, potentially to benefit China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan. The speaker suggests that ISIS is a US construct, specifically orchestrated by the CIA.

Ashwin Rutansi opens from The UAE, noting the expiration of the nuclear arms treaty and highlighting global flashpoints: a USS Abraham Lincoln shot down an Iranian drone in the Gulf, ongoing talks among Witkoff, Arakashi, and Kushner in Oman, Russia–USA discussions in the UAE, the Rafa crossing between Gaza and Egypt amid continuing Palestinian violence, and Washington’s deployment of troops to Nigeria with 26 airstrikes in Somalia in January. He mentions the UK-backed assassination of Saif Gaddafi in Libya as an example of NATO’s impact on Africa, and notes BRICS’ alignment with Iran, China, and Russia against NATO actions. The discussion of who really controls NATO is framed around the 3,000,000 Epstein files, suggesting they reveal Zionist nuclear strategies and naming Ari Ben Menashe, an Israeli intelligence asset, as a figure connected to these issues. Ari Ben Menashe joins from Montreal to discuss the Epstein materials and their potential impact on Trump. He says the Epstein files appear to be a distraction from broader world events, with some material out and some not, and asserts there is “nothing about Trump really in what they released recently,” calling it a distraction. He suggests Israelis hold sensitive information and might release it when threatened by Trump, implying Israeli influence over the DOJ’s handling of the material. Rutansi presses on whether the Times of Israel’ s focus on Trump being compromised by Israel and Jared Kushner is connected to Chabad Lubavitch, and Ben Menashe traces Epstein’s recruitment to Maxwell and Ehud Barak in the 1980s, alleging a broader network compromising American and other politicians. The conversation touches Tony Blair’s alleged role in Gaza peace plans and the suggestion that Blair is a “wrong choice.” Ben Menashe recounts that Ehud Barak previously had an East Jerusalem office under Israeli control and notes changes in Israeli policy toward Hamas under Netanyahu. They discuss MI6’s involvement in a Libyan assassination and whether Epstein’s material implicates Putin or Russians, with Ben Menashe asserting that portraying Epstein as a Russian agent is a cover‑up linked to Israeli interests. Rutansi and Ben Menashe discuss ongoing US–Iran talks, with expectations of an embassy exchange and sanctions relief, while Netanyahu might sabotage any real deal by releasing Epstein material against US officials. Ben Menashe asserts Trump would like a deal with the Iranians, a view tied to past efforts at ending hostilities in the region. The dialogue covers Epstein’s network, alleged Israeli and MI6 involvement, and the role of Tony Blair and Qatar’s prime minister in the files. Ben Menashe describes Netanyahu as a “real problem” for the US and regional stability, and claims that Netanyahu could press a nuclear button if needed, illustrating the “Sampson Option” by Sy Hersh. They debate the possible collapse of Netanyahu’s leadership and the risk of a nuclear exchange in the region. Toward the end, Rutansi asks about justice for women trafficked by Epstein, and Ben Menashe doubts that families will receive justice, predicting more noise rather than accountability. The program closes with a preview of reporting on the World Government Summit in Dubai and a promotion of Going Underground’s online channel.

The discussion argues that Western European support for Ukraine in a war with Russia reflects elite efforts to control their own populations rather than protect countries from Soviet or Russian influence. Corruption in Zelensky’s Ukraine is cited as an example of how elites maintain control. The speakers claim that leaders who prioritize nationalism—using national resources to enrich their people—are targeted. Libya is presented as an example: Muammar Gaddafi is described as caring about Libyans and Africans generally, but being assassinated for defying the central banking system and relying on gold in connection with oil. Venezuela is described as having a similar pattern, where nationalistic resource-use leads to being killed or overthrown. The transcript then links these outcomes to “Gladio networks” and intelligence agencies that allegedly deploy against such leaders. Patrice Lumumba is offered as a historical case. In the early 1960s, after the Congo’s first freedom from Belgium and Lumumba’s election as prime minister, Lumumba is said to have sought a deal to provide the United States with Congo uranium previously directed to Belgium, while using the portion that would have gone to Belgium to enrich Congolese society. The claim continues that President Dwight D. Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon would not meet with him, but the secretary of state did, rejecting the request to bypass Belgium. According to the account, the refusal meant the Congo would receive “the same arrangement” as before, described as essentially nothing for building schools and hospitals. Lumumba is said to have refused to honor that deal and to have indicated that the Soviet Union would be interested in the uranium, after which he was murdered. The transcript attributes Lumumba’s killing to “Operation Gladio Elements” controlled by Otto Skorzeny, identified as a Nazi, working under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence and the BND. The speakers conclude that any prime minister or president who “stands up for their country” is portrayed as a target of an international syndicate seeking control of the world’s resources.

Afshin Ratansi hosts *Going Underground* from the UAE, saying that tomorrow Donald Trump will host Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, while Ratansi claims Gaza has been called out as genocide by the UK, U.S., and EU and that Saudi Arabia will not normalize relations with Israel. Ratansi connects this to the anniversary of John F. Kennedy’s assassination, referencing Charlie Hirsch’s *Samson Option* and claiming Kennedy tried to push Israel to open its Dimona nuclear weapons reactor for inspection while a separate clandestine apparatus, Operation Gladio, was already operating. Ratansi describes Gladio as NATO’s clandestine terrorism network run with the CIA and MI6, allegedly used to stage mass-murder atrocities blamed on the left to block legitimate parties in Cold War Europe and oppose Washington in the Global South, and claims Gladio “never truly ended.” Ratansi introduces Colonel Roxantana Watkins, a 30-year U.S. Air Force veteran who says she traced Cold War covert structures and believes they still shape the world. Watkins explains that Operation Gladio ran out of NATO and required NATO-aligned organizations to sign secret agreements to create stay-behind units in each country. She says the U.S. is a NATO country too and asks where its Gladio units were. She claims Gladio was used “everywhere,” including Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, Korea before the Korean War, and Vietnam “by the French.” Watkins says Gladio is a generic term and that actual programs had different names in each country—for example, Portugal’s “Jinter Press” and Turkey’s “Gray Wolves,” with Italy being the only country she says conducted an in-depth study that revealed the program existed under the name “Gladio.” Ratansi says Italy had the largest Communist Party in Europe after 1945 and that fake atrocities at railway stations discredited the left. Watkins agrees and says communism became a “boogeyman” attributed to the Soviet Union, while declassified CIA documents she cites discuss labor efforts assigned to the left. She says she stopped using “left and right” because it has no use in modern language, describing a model in which workers’ rights were abolished under Mussolini while labor organizing occurred alongside international corporations. She claims the National Cash Register took over transactions in Italy during Mussolini, and that James Jesus Angleton—father of CIA official James Angleton—was tied to the franchise owner, which she says enabled an intelligence network to control finances. Watkins says the system is orchestrated around “the international syndicate” of oligarchs controlling societies so they are not democratic. She links this to assassinations and overthrows when leaders become nationalistic and rely on resources to enrich their own people, citing Omar Gaddafi’s assassination and Venezuela’s situation. She then narrates the case of Patrice Lumumba in the early 1960s Congo, alleging Eisenhower and Nixon refused to meet him and that Belgium-linked arrangements would block Congo from enriching itself, leading Lumumba to refuse the deal and prompting his murder by “Operation Gladio Elements” controlled by Otto Skorzeny under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence, the BND. Watkins argues that any prime minister or president “that stands up for their country” becomes a target. In response to whether Gladio aligned with Israeli interests, Watkins claims James Angleton sat at the Mossad desk in the CIA and at the Vatican’s desk, asserting that a “strategy of tension” governs Gladio, tracing it to the late 1800s with the Fabian Society and the idea of creating “left and right” camps to control people. She claims Israel is a strategy of tension concept controlling the Middle East, and says Taiwan was a pivotal friction point in Asia. Watkins says covert operations are funded with drug networks, citing Chiang Kai-shek in Taiwan as controlling over 80% of the opium trade in Asia, and describes Paul Helliwell’s alleged role in creating Castle Bank and using front companies for property purchases in Central Florida. She also claims the UK MI6 helped set up Colombia as part of the “crystal triangle” and that London set up Israel. Ratansi asks Watkins about Watkins’ reaction to the live-streamed assassination of Charlie Kirk. Watkins says Kirk’s persona encouraged people to talk to each other across divisions and that the apparatus “cannot have” that. She says the current Gladio rests on student youth movements worldwide and references “Optor in Serbia,” student movements, and George Soros funding, claiming college-age levels include recruiting foot soldiers for Mossad, MI6, and CIA. She compares it to FBI assassinating Fred Hampton after he built the “Rainbow Coalition,” saying authorities do not want people to come together. Ratansi raises poverty and opposition to Israel, including polls after Gaza and a SNAP pause during a government shutdown, and asks what happens if people rebel. Watkins responds that she argues the “42 million” figure is exaggerated and that the strategy includes cutting off funding so people rise up, using both conditions for radicals to evolve and “planned, targeted radicalizations.” She says during the shutdown she was surprised there was not a false flag to generate opposition, and claims Venezuela had multiple false-flag-style attempts in 2019 and 2020 that failed. Watkins says she tracked over 400 attempts to overthrow governments and documented 90 successful coups. Ratansi asks about the Jeffrey Epstein revelations and whether they would shock the public enough to overthrow oligarchic power. Watkins claims blackmail is “the grease” that makes operations work and says people like Jeffrey Epstein were part of enabling leverage, describing blackmail networks operating globally and citing examples involving underage videos and suicides after exposure. Ratansi asks whether Israeli power over the Trump administration is as strong as during the Biden administration. Watkins says Trump publicly called out Mary Madelson as funding various efforts and that Israel comes up frequently in Gladio research. She cites claims that the IDF created a one-year school for drug-network managers in Latin America and that Israel acted as a “cutout” for Reagan-era missile and weapons transfers, as well as involvement related to diamond mining in Africa despite Israel not owning diamond mines. She concludes that it is “very troubling” anytime Israeli support backs a politician, saying it implies significant pull over funding. Ratansi ends the show with condolences for people affected by what he calls ongoing UK-U.S. “armed genocide” across Palestine, and says the program will return on Saturday.

Speaker 0 says Western European populations support what he calls a “suicidal war on Russia through Ukraine” because elites in Zelensky’s Ukraine use corruption to maintain control over their population, rather than protecting countries from Russia or the Soviet Union. He adds that the elites aim to protect societies from becoming democratic. Speaker 1 agrees and frames the pattern as one where leaders who prioritize national interest are eliminated. He cites Libya as an example, saying Muammar Gaddafi cared about Libyans and Africans, but was assassinated for defying the central banking system and relying on gold with his own oil. He then says Venezuela today follows a similar pattern, where becoming nationalist and enriching one’s people leads to being killed or overthrown. Speaker 1 describes the mechanism as “Gladio networks” and intelligence agencies deploying operations against leaders. He recounts the Congo in the early 1960s after independence from Belgium, when Patrice Lumumba was elected prime minister. He says Lumumba approached the United States with a proposal to give the uranium that had been allocated to Belgium, but to use the portion going to Belgium to enrich Congolese people. He states that President Dwight D. Eisenhower would not meet with Lumumba and that Vice President Richard Nixon would not meet with him; Lumumba instead met with the secretary of state, who told him that he could not cut out Belgium and that Congo would receive the same arrangement as before, providing essentially nothing for building schools and hospitals. Speaker 1 says Lumumba then refused the deal, and that the Soviet Union would have been interested in uranium. Speaker 1 concludes that Lumumba was murdered by Operation Gladio elements controlled by Otto Skorzeny, described as Nazi, under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence, the BND. He ends by saying that any prime minister or president who “stands up for their country” is targeted by an “international syndicate” seeking to control the world’s resources.

The speaker believes those hiding the truth about 9/11 are capable of murder. They claim the U.S. caused Gaddafi's death because Hillary Clinton played a "game." The speaker says they went to Libya during the war with a Biden staffer, a Bush staffer, and a film crew, and hand-carried a letter from Gaddafi offering to resign, but the U.S. wanted him dead. According to the speaker, Gaddafi wanted to unite Africa economically on the gold standard, but the U.S. and Europe wanted control of his oil and sovereign wealth. The speaker took Biden to Libya on their second trip. The speaker feels it is outrageous that people who have never served in the military make money off conflicts while kids are drawn into them and killed.

NATO's first shot was modest, expansion costs are real but manageable. Our mission is to fight for freedom. Libya announced Gaddafi's death. Condolences for lives lost in 90s wars. North Stream 2 will no longer continue.

- Training that we go through is in order to go into another country, link up with an indigenous population in force, train, advise and equip it so that we flip their government. Meaning, train insurgents to overthrow a government so that the government then becomes friendly with The United States in their own language. - Is that how they took out Muammar Gaddafi? Was it the Green Beret? Because, you know, they got insurgents to take him over and supposedly if you look at the conspiracy of that I think the best model to explain that, what I just described is, remember when the link up with the Northern Alliance after nineeleven? - Yeah, without KDAN. And then put That's in an example of that. That's probably a good example. Because, you know, Hillary Clinton laughed. She basically admitted that she killed Muammar Gaddafi or had him killed. - And you watch him talk What difference does it make? Well, she said We can't

News at midnight from The Gulf reports a second Iranian drone dispatched to the USS Abraham Lincoln after the first was shot down by Trump's forces, amid global worries that he could be distracted from the Epstein files to start Israel's war on Iran with US money. At midnight also comes news that Seyfal Gaddafi, who could reunite what was once Africa's richest per capita country, Libya, has been killed in his garden by militias and mercenaries with British involvement. Sources say MI6 was deeply involved. Britain was reportedly deeply involved fifteen years ago with France in trying to destroy Africa's richest per capita country because it was a beacon of high living standards and Gaddafi himself was proposing some sort of Gold Dinar system, not to mention that France, according to WikiLeaks papers from 2011, wanted 35% of Libyan black gold. The transcript notes that Seyfal Gaddafi is not being covered in the NATO nations that destroyed Libya and used Gaddafi in horrific ways, allowing slave markets to open there. It states that Seyfal Gaddafi has been writing articles supporting the Palestinians and Arab sovereignty while in hiding, because he was the most popular leader in Libya, across both halves, and could have reunited it. He is described as visiting places around Libya ahead of putative elections that will now, of course, happen because that’s what the colonial powers were desiring. The end of Seyfal Gaddafi is proclaimed. As a reminder of imperial policies, the Epstein file is cited: in the latest 3,000,000 documents, the Department of Justice released an email saying, “I also have friends formerly with MI6 and Mossad willing to help identify stolen assets and get them recovered.” He was described as being involved in trying to get hold of Libyan assets, many of which, of course, have been stolen. The Epstein oligarchs with their depraved alleged cannibalism and mass killing of children have not gone away. While people begin to report repercussions of the Epstein files, the same forces are present, which may explain why the personal lawyer to Donald Trump at the DOJ said, on the release of them, that no one is going to be prosecuted. What this means for Africa, amidst all these global tensions, is tied to the expiry of the START treaty within the next 24 to 48 hours, which would allow unlimited warheads, the end of nuclear inspections, and perhaps a nuclear arms race that has never been seen before on this planet. We will have to wait and see.

Afshin Ratansi introduces New Order, saying it examines how India and its allies are helping redefine the 21st-century geopolitical landscape, including coverage for RT India. He highlights several developments: China is set to send Foreign Minister Wang Yi to India for BRICS National Security Advisers’ meetings ahead of September’s BRICS summit in Delhi; Prime Minister Modi is described as having appeared at the G7 despite “collapsing” U.S.-aligned states, meeting Trump face-to-face for the first time in 16 months; Modi reportedly stressed that global maritime routes must be protected, referencing the killing of Indian merchant seamen; Trump is described as praising Modi and announcing he will visit India in the future. Ratansi also says that the Pentagon quietly dropped the word “Indo” from “Indo-Pacific Command,” reverting to the Pacific Command name used before 2018, arguing that the nameplate change does not imply reduced Indian Ocean capability, and suggesting it reflects turbulence inside U.S. strategic thinking. Ratansi then brings in Kanwal Sybil, India’s former Foreign Secretary, who joins from London. Sybil comments that the timing of the Pentagon naming change appears odd, occurring just before Modi’s meeting with Trump, and links it to broader U.S. reviews focused on deterring China and the roles assigned to partners across the Indian and Pacific Oceans. He notes that India’s navy remains indispensable for securing lines of communication, trade, and energy in the Indian Ocean due to the lack of comparable regional alternatives. Sybil adds that this could reduce pressure on India to become involved in any U.S. or Trump-led adventure against China related to Taiwan, given India’s continuous border with China and troop deployments in the Himalayas. Ratansi and Sybil discuss the death of Indian merchant seamen off the coast of Oman: Chief Engineer Patnalla Suresh, Cadet Aditya Sharma, and Sivanandan Charisiya. Sybil says the issue has not been raised on the American side and criticizes a lack of condolences. He reports that when India’s foreign minister raised the matter with Rubio, Rubio’s response was described as aggressive and peremptory, insisting the ships obey U.S. Navy orders and that any infraction would not be tolerated. Sybil also says that two days later the U.S. lifted the blockade and questions whether Rubio knew in advance, criticizing harsh diplomacy. Sybil says Modi raised the issue in the G7 where Trump was present and again in a bilateral conversation, describing Trump’s response as evasive. He adds that the U.S. firing Hellfire missiles at an unarmed commercial ship where sailors were not posing a military threat is a central question. On the Quad, Sybil states that it is “dying a slow death,” citing the inability to hold a summit and describing the Quad foreign ministers meeting in Delhi as having a tame outcome. He says U.S. signals and strategic reviews suggest less emphasis on it than before. He also argues that Quad-like port and logistics arrangements do not amount to free access to Indian ports: every request for accessing Indian ports must be politically cleared by the Indian government, and therefore does not mean India allows the U.S. to use Indian ports to attack Iran or other West Asian countries. Sybil discusses the North-South Transport Corridor and reported targeting of railways in infrastructure used in the corridor. He says he previously visited Astrakhan and described trade mechanics through the Caspian Sea and container flows, emphasizing that flourishing two-way trade and time reductions matter for exports from India to Russia. He argues that Iran’s sanctions and administrative limitations have created transit frictions, and that ending sanctions could strengthen prospects, including for Chabahar port. He says a likely aim of attacking railway lines was destroying infrastructure rather than severing communications. On sanctions and Russian energy, Sybil says India did not import Russian oil before 2022 due to economics and nearby Gulf supplies, but after the Ukraine war Russia’s discounted oil and discounts made India-Russia oil ties flourish, with Russia becoming the biggest oil supplier to India. He says U.S. waivers were used to allow access to Russian oil while interrupting global supplies might spike prices for consumers. He emphasizes that he considers it humiliating for India to be told to buy Russian oil only with permission and says Indian companies continued decisions on commercial terms. Sybil says Modi and Russia’s messages indicate India is independent and will resist pressure, while acknowledging that India may reduce supplies and may also buy more U.S. oil, describing swaps including billions of dollars of U.S. oil purchases. On the G7 and Britain/Europe, Sybil argues the G7 seeks relevance since the G20 became the main cooperation forum involving rising economies; he says the U.S. has “wrecked” the G20 and the G7 invites countries like Brazil, India, Egypt, and others to co-opt them rather than cooperate fully. He says India finds the platform useful to express Global South concerns and to steer towards the G20 agenda, while not compromising its interests as a developing economy; he cites improving relations with European countries and negotiations on technology and defense, plus improving ties with Canada. In the viewer Q&A, Ratansi and Zahra Khan respond to questions. One question asks what India would do if it got a UN Security Council seat; Ratansi says ending the UN Security Council veto is necessary so the U.S. cannot veto everything, and proposes an investigation into sanctions threatened over Russian energy imports, including why 38 million people were killed by U.S. sanctions between 1917 and 2021. Another question asks why India receives lectures on Russian oil while other Western countries do not; Ratansi cites examples including Britain, Germany, LNG via Dunkirk, and “shadow fleets,” framing it as unequal scrutiny of sovereign choices. A final question asks who might succeed Saif Gaddafi; Ratansi mentions Aisha Gaddafi and Mohammed Gaddafi in Oman as less likely, notes Haftar supporters and links to Russia and the UAE, and discusses the possibility of a successor while connecting it to broader visions involving BRICS and a “new order.”

Speaker 0 says people asked why “they” are crawling toward Russia like “the Atlasians,” explaining that the aim is to reach Russia’s oil, gas, coal, and iron to occupy it. He says this is “very clear,” adding that the Russians told him at the highest levels: “We, of course, know this goal.” He states that the goal is to occupy Russia’s oil and gas and its coal and iron mines, and that these mines contain gold in Russia’s Caucasus region, which is not available “with them.” He says the Russians consider this intentional and emphasizes that the response should be taken seriously. He also claims that Atlasians may occupy Libya and could even be able to take it all, unless there is national protection. He then argues that the Arab world has military power and that attacks should be understood as attacks on all Arabs: the alleged aggression toward Libya, Lebanon, and Mauritania are presented as aggression against “all Arabs.” He urges Arabs not to “do like America,” saying America does not kill itself, and he describes the concept that America has its own fleets, “word promises,” aid, and “bribes,” leading to actions during a time he mentions as linked to the Soviet Union’s day and the period after it.

- The speakers present a conspiratorial framing of Libya’s recent history and its global repercussions. They assert, “It’s a Chinese colony at this point,” implying foreign influence over Libya and its trajectory. - They claim that “the West and Hillary blows up Gaddafi,” arguing that those who were aligned with the West retaliated against Muammar Gaddafi. They further state that Gaddafi had “invested everything with the West, came and apologized,” and describe NATO as “the defensive alliance” that “went and just murdered Gaddafi for no reason.” - Gaddafi is portrayed in softened, almost heroic terms: “One’s Gaddafi, you know, the crazy colonel,” but the speakers emphasize that “the point was he was for the people.” They describe him as “a statesman,” noting that “he literally lived in a tent.” - The economic and infrastructural claims are central to their narrative: they say “98% of the state money coming in and oil went to not just his people, Africa,” and that he was “building real infrastructure” with a “whole plan to link up” with Africa. They imply that his policies would have connected Africa regionally rather than remaining separate from the rest of the continent. - They allege that the killing of Gaddafi was part of a broader, destabilizing plan: “they came and killed him,” and as a result, “now all of Africa’s collapsing because they blew up the South Point and the North Point.” They attribute these upheavals to “the globalist deliberately blow[ing] that up for destabilization.” - The discussion turns to population movements: they claim that “the population will be moved here and to Europe as it already is being in Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, of course.” The speaker asserts personal certainty about this trend: “I know I see it so, so clearly.”

The speaker stated the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi in power. Iraq used to kill terrorists immediately, but now it's the "Harvard of terrorism." The speaker said that while Hussein was a horrible guy, Iraq was better then than it is now, as it is currently a training ground for terrorists. The speaker stated nobody even knows Libya, and there is no Iraq and no Libya anymore because it's all broken up. Human rights abuses are happening now and are worse than under Hussein or Gaddafi. Libya is a catastrophe, Iraq is a disaster, and the whole Middle East blew up around Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Gaddafi's plan to introduce the Gold Dinar threatened Western monetary dominance. The West imposed sanctions, leading to Gaddafi's downfall and a fractured Libya. Africa lost a leader with a vision for economic liberation. Corruption in governments perpetuates a system benefiting the few at the expense of many, hindering economic justice and self-determination globally. Translation: Gaddafi's Gold Dinar plan challenged Western power, leading to sanctions and Libya's instability. Africa lost a leader aiming for economic freedom. Corruption hinders global economic justice and self-determination.

Muammar Gaddafi was killed because he was working with other African leaders to establish Africa's first Central Bank, which would have backed its currency with the continent's natural resources. This move threatened the global economic order dominated by currencies not backed by resources. Gaddafi's assassination was to prevent the creation of a Central Bank of Africa and the end of modern slavery and neo-colonialism on the continent.

Afshin Ratanzi and the guest discuss the Epstein files and how they are being linked to Russia and Western power structures. The guest says 3,000,000 Epstein files have not been released by the Department of Justice, with Trump administration’s attempts to block them and congressional efforts by Thomas Massie and Ro Conner to release them. He notes the files describe how a former Russian deputy, Ponomarev, allegedly wanted to incite a coup in Russia and the assassination of President Putin, and mentions interest in interviewing Ponomarev, who reportedly lives in Kiev. The guest adds that Going Underground has interviewed some people from the Epstein files, including Noam Chomsky, who he says criticized how NATO media prevent understanding of world events and support Russiagate. He mentions Ehud Barak walked out of the show, and notes FBI sworn statements containing disturbing allegations such as child cannibalism, and says these are “allegations, of course.” He asserts Western media will blame Putin and Russia to avoid confronting the broader “dump of redacted 3,000,000 files,” portraying Washington, London, and Brussels as oligarch-dominated and condemning Western democracy while accusing elites of trafficking children and influencing tax legislation to enrich the rich. The host asks what fears the Epstein links raise. The guest explains that Epstein, described as a Mossad asset, purportedly sought to destroy the Russian Federation because a multipolar world involving China, Russia, Venezuela, and Iran challenges Zionist expansion. He argues leaders from those countries aren’t in the Epstein files, contrasting them with Western elites. He discusses why media might link Epstein to Russia, noting that Trump’s handling of the files has caused concern in West Asia; the guest suggests Trump could launch wars (e.g., Iran) to distract from links to Epstein and to avoid scrutiny of his own associations, which could have global economic consequences if Straits of Hormuz were affected. Addressing why the “Russia hoax” persists, the guest emphasizes the existence of a captive population in NATO countries through propaganda and restricted access to alternative outlets (citing bans on Rumble in France and RT in Britain), arguing Western oligarchs control cultural and media sectors. He contends that Western systems have historically supported wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria, and claims public belief about events like Bucha could be shaped by NATO media. Regarding Britain’s role, the guest claims MI6 is heavily involved in wars including Syria, with Epstein-linked interests tied to overthrowing Assad; he notes Peter Mandelson’s resignation from the House of Lords and his appointment as British ambassador to the United States, highlighting Britain’s investment in destroying Russia since the Crimean War. He cautions that Britain’s diplomacy may be a lie and urges BRICS and Shanghai Cooperation Organization members to reassess Western leaders, suggesting distrust toward Western diplomacy and warning that leaders in global South should recognize a pattern of destruction propagated by Western powers. The interview ends with thanks to Afshin Ratanzi.

Afshin Ratansi hosts *Going Underground* from the UAE and introduces guest Colonel Roxantana Watkins, a 30-year U.S. Air Force veteran researching Cold War covert structures. Ratansi frames the episode around Donald Trump hosting Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the Gaza situation, and connects these developments to earlier claims about nuclear inspection efforts, the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and Operation Gladio—described as NATO’s clandestine “stay-behind” terror network run with CIA and MI6 that allegedly targeted mass murder to be blamed on the left and to block political opposition to Washington across Cold War Europe and the Global South. Watkins explains that Operation Gladio ran out of NATO: NATO-aligned organizations signed secret agreements to create “stay-behind units” in each country. She says the U.S. was a NATO country too and asks where its Gladio units were, arguing that Gladio shaped “terrorism as a controlling domestic audience.” She asserts Gladio-like methods were used beyond Europe, citing alleged use in Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, before the Korean War, and in Vietnam by the French. Watkins describes “Operation Gladio” as a generic umbrella term because each country’s program had different names; she claims Italy was the only country to conduct an in-depth study and reveal its existence, and that Italy’s program was called Gladio. She links the broader concept to false-flag operations meant to “prep a battlefield” and create allegations attributed to communism or other targets. Ratansi adds that post-1945 Italy had a large Communist Party and claims fake atrocities at railway stations were used to discredit the left. Watkins says “communism” functioned as a “boogeyman” attributed to the Soviet Union, pointing to declassified CIA references she describes as involving Guatemala labor efforts attributed to the left. She asserts that in Italy, workers’ rights had been abolished under Mussolini, and she claims international corporations participated in surveillance—specifically mentioning National Cash Register, and asserting that its franchise owner was connected to James Jesus Angleton, describing Angleton’s family ties. She describes the overall operation as orchestrated around an “international syndicate” of oligarchs controlling society. Watkins argues that elites maintain control by preventing democracy, using examples such as Libya under Omar Gaddafi—claimed to have been assassinated for defying a central banking system and relying on gold—and Venezuela under present-day circumstances—claimed to follow the pattern of killing or overthrowing leaders who rely on national use of resources. She describes alleged Gladio involvement in Patrice Lumumba’s assassination, including claims about Eisenhower refusing Lumumba’s requests, Nixon’s refusal, and a subsequent murder she attributes to Gladio elements controlled by Otto Skorzeny under Reinhard Gehlen’s BND. Ratansi asks how Gladio became aligned with Israeli interests. Watkins claims James Angleton sat at a “Mossad desk” in the CIA and a Vatican desk, and she describes a “strategy of tension” originating from late-1800s Fabian Society ideas: creating “left and right” camps to control populations. She claims key nodes include Israel in the Middle East and Taiwan (Formosa) in Asia, and states covert operations were funded through drug networks, pointing to a narrative about Chiang Kai-shek and opium control. She ties funding and recruitment to CIA-linked figures and claims Israel and the UK were integral to setting up Colombia as part of a “crystal triangle,” repeating that London helped set up Israel and that this mapping controls oil. The discussion then shifts to a live-streamed assassination of Charlie Kirk. Watkins says Kirk threatened an apparatus by encouraging people to talk across divisions and claims current Gladio rests on student youth movements globally, including mention of “Optor in Serbia” and George Soros funding. She claims youths are recruited as “foot soldiers” by Mossad, MI6, and CIA, and that movements promoting unity are targeted to prevent societies from coming together. Ratansi then raises U.S. poverty and government shutdown conditions, asking what happens when people rebel. Watkins argues population figures are exaggerated and describes a strategy of tension involving cutting off funding and “planned, targeted radicalizations,” while asserting that false flags are used historically even when some attempts fail. She claims the U.S. companies want oil in Venezuela and references “over 400 attempts” to overthrow governments, with “90 successful coups” documented. Finally, Ratansi asks about Jeffrey Epstein revelations and whether blackmail enables these systems. Watkins argues blackmail is “the grease” that allows the operation to function, describes Epstein as an example, and adds that each country has comparable figures. She links such networks to global travel and exposure of sexual abuse as a means of control, while noting some incidents were exposed in the UK and mentions an unnamed one-star general who allegedly killed himself after exposure. Ratansi asks whether Israeli influence over the Trump administration matches that over the Obama-era “Genocide Joe” administration, referencing PragerU and Alexis Wilkins’s lawsuit. Watkins says she finds it “intriguing” that Trump publicly called out a figure funding pro-Israel activities, but asserts the connection goes deeper, describing Israeli roles as “cutouts” in multiple covert operations involving Iran, Angola, and Africa, and claims Israel became a major diamond seller despite allegedly owning no mines. The episode closes with condolences for those affected by the alleged “UK-US” armed genocide continuing across Palestine and an announcement of the show returning on Saturday.

Afshin Ratansi introduces an upcoming meeting between Donald Trump and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, linking it to Saudi Arabia’s stance on Gaza and refusal to normalize relations with Israel. Ratansi says the anniversary of John F. Kennedy’s assassination is connected to a claim that Kennedy, as described by Cy Hirsch in *The Samson Option*, tried to push Israel to allow inspection of its Dimona nuclear reactor while “another secretive apparatus” allegedly operated in parallel, Operation Gladio—described as NATO’s clandestine terrorism network run with the CIA and MI6—used to stage mass atrocities blamed on the left to block legitimate political parties in Cold War Europe and oppose Washington’s agenda in the Global South. Ratansi also frames Charlie Kirk and broader grassroots movements as relevant to these Cold War covert structures. Colonel Roxantana Watkins says Operation Gladio ran “out of NATO” and that NATO-aligned organizations signed secret agreements to create “stay-behind” Gladio units in their countries. She argues that Gladio was used “everywhere,” not only Europe, and cites claims of use in Iran before the overthrow of Mossadegh, in Korea before the Korean War, and in Vietnam by the French. She describes Operation Gladio as a generic term because each country’s program had different names, such as a Jinter Press in Portugal and the Gray Wolves in Turkey, while she says Italy did an in-depth study and revealed its program called Gladio. Watkins connects Gladio to false flags and says its activities were used to “prep a battlefield” with operatives on the ground. Ratansi adds that Italy had a large Communist Party after 1945 and claims that fake atrocities at railway stations were used to discredit the left. Watkins responds by saying “communism” was turned into a boogeyman attributed to the Soviet Union, and she points to declassified CIA documents she says show the Soviet Union label masking other topics such as labor efforts. She claims Mussolini-era Italy abolished workers’ rights, and she describes labor organizing as tied to international corporations, including the National Cash Register taking over transactions in Italy. She says the franchise owner was James Jesus Angleton’s father and describes this as enabling an intelligence network tied to finances. Watkins argues that elites can control populations, which she says explains Western European backing for the war on Russia through Ukraine. She illustrates the pattern with examples including Libya, Venezuela, and the Congo. She claims Muammar Gaddafi was assassinated after defying the central banking system and relying on gold, and she claims Venezuela’s leaders are overthrown or killed when nationalistic resource enrichment challenges central arrangements. She describes Patrice Lumumba’s attempt to renegotiate uranium arrangements after Belgium’s colonial administration and says he was murdered by Operation Gladio elements associated with Otto Skorzeny under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence (BND). She says “every prime minister [or] president” who stands up for their country is a target of an “international syndicate” seeking control of the world’s resources. Ratansi asks how Gladio could have become aligned with Israeli interests. Watkins claims James Jesus Angleton sat at the “Mossad desk” in the CIA and at the Vatican’s desk. She describes “the strategy of tension” as originating from late-1800s Fabian Society ideas, saying it aims to control people by creating “left and right” camps, with Israel framed as a focal point. She claims covert operations are funded through drug networks and cites Taiwan/“Formosa,” alleging Chiang Kai-shek controlled most opium trade in Asia and connected figures she says were involved in OSS/CIA operations and other institutions. In part two, Ratansi asks what Watkins thought when Charlie Kirk was assassinated on video. Watkins says the key risk to this apparatus is “us talking to each other,” and she claims Gladio rests on student youth movements, citing mechanisms like “Optor” in Serbia and George Soros funding. She says college-age recruitment is where Mossad, MI6, and CIA recruit “foot soldiers,” and she describes Charlie Kirk as an Achilles heel because she says he encouraged cross-group conversation. She also compares this to Fred Hampton and the FBI assassinating him, saying large movements that unite people are targeted. Ratansi raises poverty and hunger figures, SNAP disruptions during a government shutdown, and asks what happens when people rebel. Watkins argues numbers like “42 million” are exaggerated and says part of the strategy is to cut funding to prevent uprisings, including “planned, targeted radicalizations.” She says the shutdown period was surprising because she did not see a false flag used then, and she references Venezuela attempts in 2019–2020 that she says failed, attributing failure to U.S. companies wanting oil. When asked about Jeffrey Epstein revelations, Watkins describes Gladio-style operations as requiring “grease” and says she views blackmail as enabling the machinery. She claims Epstein was an example of that blackmail role and mentions other alleged blackmail operations across countries, including the UK, saying global travel and meetings provide opportunities for compromising imagery and coercion. Ratansi concludes by asking whether Israeli influence is as strong under Trump as it was under the previous administration. Watkins says Israel’s role repeatedly appears in Gladio research and claims Israel has acted as a “cutout” for U.S. policy in sending missiles and weapons, including in Iran-related and Angola-related contexts. She says Israel became a major diamond seller “when they don’t own a single diamond mine,” and she ends by saying it is “very troubling” to have Israeli support for politicians because she says Israel has pull over funding.