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One of the reasons I really don't like Bitcoin is because Bitcoin has become the currency of choice for espionage around the world. If you're a North Korean trying to recruit an American scientist, you're you're gonna pay them in Bitcoin. Well, if you're a Chinese person trying to report to American intelligence, you're probably also getting paid in Bitcoin.

The speaker discusses the current state of the Federal Reserve note and the need to transition to treasury dollars. They mention that paper currency always crashes and that the United States needs to exchange its currency quickly to avoid economic dislocation. They highlight that the Federal Reserve note is no longer an international reserve currency, with many countries using other currencies in their trade. The speaker also mentions their background in studying the G77 and the hijacking of the World Bank by a group called the network of global corporate control. They explain how this group buys off politicians and charges interest on country debt. The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of understanding the transition from one currency to another.

Rat skins, dado heads, tepid lemonade. I'll take five rat skins and a tepid lemonade. It's not a chicken; it's gold, the currency of the future. Can I eat it? No. Wear it? No. Use it as firewood? No. But you can melt it into anything. Can I turn it into food? No. This currency could be worth 1,000 rat skins soon. Every economy is controlled by big chicken banks, and this is our chance for independence. What can I do with gold? Make jewelry? Yes, it’s malleable and a finite resource. You know what’s finite? My patience. I’m taking it back. I’ll have a dodo head instead. This is better than gold—silver, or light gold cash. It’s faster to mine. Get your rat skins, dodo heads, and tepid lemonade here!

Lies about Jay Proof, including claims of 271,000 and 6,000,000 falsehoods, are being spread by a foreign-born Italian who is cosplaying as white and has teamed up with Jews. This individual has announced meetings with billionaire Jews with the expressed intent of attacking the speaker, the network, and Jay Proof. All of these lies can be easily discredited because Jay Proof is a cryptocurrency meme coin, and everything is on the blockchain.

Speaker: The thing that makes the current system what they would call slavery is debt-based and secrecy. And the failure of their elected representatives to require, you know, to get obey the law. So you have lawlessness, you have debt-based, and you have secrecy. The problem is not that the currency is fiat. Because if you go back through history, if you read Alexander Del Mar, the most effective currencies in the world are fiat currencies that are well governed. We have a debt-based fiat currency that is not well governed in my opinion, but it could be. Now remember, there has been almost no support in the general population for managing it responsibly. Everybody was like, no. Don’t manage it responsibly. Get me my check. And if that means you’re irresponsible, that’s okay. I want my check. But you are not gonna fix this situation by going to gold and silver. You’re gonna make it much worse. Because while we’ve done this sort of hear no evil, see no evil, you know, speak no evil for thirty years, the central bankers have accumulated all the gold. So now that they have all the gold, you’re gonna tell me we’re gonna go to a gold system? Are you out of your mind? Because now they’ve got the gold. And if you start a gold transaction system, now you need gold from them, and they’ve got you over a barrel. Right? And what are you gonna do to get gold? You’re gonna have to sell your land. You’re gonna have to sell your kids. You’re gonna have to sell real assets to get their gold. Right? Why would you do that? Why would you create, you know, you’re dependent on your enemy now. You’re gonna increase your dependency on your enemy now? You’re out of your mind. Okay. That’s not a sound money system, especially because they wanna make it digital. And so they’re gonna have fiat gold, which is even— I mean, if you think fiat is bad, where do you see fiat gold when they own all the gold? So, what we want is we want a fiat system, and we want it with, you know, lawful and no secrecy or minimal secrecy. You’re gonna have to have some secrecy and a good governance system. Can we get there? Of course, we can get there. But we can’t get there if you have an entire population that is absolutely committed to corrupt short-term behavior.

Bitcoin was created by John McCarthy to catch criminals. It is centralized and every transaction can be seen. McCarthy also reveals that Moderna is involved in criminal activities. He emphasizes that Bitcoin is worthless and that Monero is the only currency that is actually used. He dismisses the idea of adding privacy features to Bitcoin, stating that it is old, slow, and cannot support smart contracts. He challenges anyone who believes Bitcoin is worth more than 5¢ to explain their reasoning.

Speaker 0 argues that it's the beginning of the end of the monetary system as we know it. It's not just the US dollar; it's fiat monetary currencies in general. They note that the UK, the euro, Japan, and China have similar debt problems and share interrelationships, which is the reason central banks are choosing gold. The implication is that these dynamics are driving a shift toward gold as a preferred reserve asset. Speaker 0 emphasizes that gold has always been the main currency and identifies it as the only non-fiat currency—meaning it is not the currency that can be printed. This point is presented as foundational to the argument about why gold is being selected in the current environment by major financial actors. Building on that assertion, Speaker 0 asserts that central banks are moving toward gold, and sovereign wealth funds are likewise moving toward gold. This movement is described as the nature of the shift occurring within the monetary system. In other words, the combination of widespread fiat debt concerns among major economies and the longstanding status of gold as a non-fiat currency is depicted as driving a broad realignment in reserve preferences and asset holdings. The overall claim is that the monetary system is undergoing a transformative change driven by debt-related pressures across major economies and the comparative stability or non-fiat status of gold. The speaker links the observed behavior—central banks and sovereign wealth funds increasing gold allocations—to this larger shift, framing it as part of a systemic evolution rather than as isolated actions. In summary, Speaker 0 contends that the current moment marks a fundamental transition away from fiat currencies toward gold, driven by debt problems across major economies and the historical role of gold as the main and non-fiat currency, with central banks and sovereign wealth funds moving to gold as part of this shift.

Speaker 0 expresses opposition to cryptocurrency. Speaker 1 mentions that Jamie, who supports blockchain, helped launch JPMorganCoin. They explain that JPMorgan created its own blockchain protocol based on Ethereum, allowing private transactions. Speaker 0 suggests that the only use case for blockchain is criminal activity. Speaker 2 states that JPMorgan was involved in Ethereum from the beginning and played a major role in the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance. Speaker 0 comments on shutting down blockchain if they were the government. Speaker 3 compares the Mt. Gox scandal to Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme, where JPMorgan was involved. JPMorgan account holders sued the bank and recovered over $2 billion, but no executives went to jail.

The speaker claims the US financial system is built on usury, controlled by Jews, and has created an "American nightmare" of debt. People are falling for "get rich quick schemes" like the stock market and crypto, which only benefit "rich Jews." Cryptocurrency has the potential to break free from the "Rothschild Talmudic cabal," but has been attacked by politicians and banks. Celebrities and politicians, including Jews like Andrew Tate and Dave Portnoy, release meme coins and then "rug pull" their investors. To combat this, the speaker launched his own meme coin, "J Proof" (Jew proof), to destroy "subversive Jewish robbery coins." He claims it will never be rug pulled because he owns and controls it, and will never sell. He encourages listeners to buy $110 worth of J Proof on the Solana blockchain, aiming for a market cap of 6,000,000. He burned 6,000,000 coins to prove his commitment. Carlos Cortez, an independent fiduciary, says he cannot recommend meme coins, but likes the decentralized space. He advises only investing what one can afford to lose. He praises the speaker for walking away from $5,000,000, proving he won't rug pull. The speaker also promotes Cortez's America First retirement plan.

One of the reasons I really don't like Bitcoin is because Bitcoin has become the currency of choice for espionage around the world. If you're a North Korean trying to recruit an American scientist, you're gonna pay them in Bitcoin. Well, if you're a Chinese person trying to report to American intelligence, you're probably also getting paid in Bitcoin.

Speaker 0 says that each country will crash its fiat currency and there will be no paper money globally in eighteen months; it will all be digital. Once each country has its own digital currency, that’s the small step. They can’t move to a global digital currency all at once, because that would tip people off to “the whole scam.” So they are doing it one country at a time to make it look like it’s not all connected. After each country cuts off paper money and implements its digital currency, they will finish crashing the whole world’s economy, and then they will come out and say, we need a one world digital currency, but they’ve already got it. The UN is already talking about this; they’ve been working on it for two years and it’s already in place. They’ll say we need a one world digital currency to stop all these crashes and things from happening ever again. It’s for your protection. That’s how they get the one world currency in.

We are in a monetary revolution where the power needs to be taken back from the private families and central banks that print money. The government is not in control. This is why we can't see change in congress or have a government that works for us. We need a peaceful revolution, a monetary revolution, where we stop using their money and instead invest in assets like gold, silver, Bitcoin, Litecoin, and Global Boost. These assets can't be inflated or seized. Remember your seed phrase and keep it secure.

But of all of the red money or crypto or meme coin investments, it's my personal opinion that J proof is the most solid. And all of that, again, the evidence of that is available on the blockchain where you can see what the dead wallet holds, what the dead wallet started with, how I have continued to pour LP rewards back onto the chart, not taking any money for myself. It's not a get rich quick scheme. Never has been. It's a long term play. You should be less concerned about the dollar value of your J proof wallet as you are concerned with the amount of J proof tokens that you are holding.

Larry Johnson and Glenn discuss the shifting dynamics of the US dollar, the international financial system, and the rise of competing powers. - Johnson recalls the 1965 term exorbitant privilege describing the US dollar’s reserve-currency advantages. In 1971, the US closed the gold window, ending fixed gold value for the dollar; the dollar later became backed by “our promise,” enabling the petrodollar system as oil purchases were conducted in dollars. The dollar’s dominance rested on predictability, a stable legal system, and non-abusive use of the dollar as an economic tool rather than a political weapon. - Trump-era sanctions expanded broadly, impacting friends and adversaries alike, and BRICS nations began moving away from the dollar. Russia’s disconnection from SWIFT after its 2022 actions is noted as a turning point that encouraged the BRICS’ development of alternative financial infrastructure, including China’s cross-border interbank payment system (CIPS). This shift accelerates the decline of the dollar’s dominance. - Nations like Russia and China (and India, Brazil) are unloading US Treasuries and increasing gold and silver holdings. This is tied to concerns about the dollar’s reliability and the reduced faith in paper promises. The BRICS countries reportedly plan a currency tied to gold, with components of their reserves backing individual BRICS currencies, signaling a structural move away from the dollar. - The paper-gold issue is central: for every ounce of real gold, there is a range of 20-to-1 to 100-to-1 in paper gold. This disparity can undermine trust in the paper promise and create a run on physical gold. The price gap between New York (lower) and Shanghai (higher) for gold demonstrates a market dislocation and growing demand for physical metal. - Glenn emphasizes that a unipolar dollar system allows the US to run large deficits via inflation, which acts as a hidden tax on global dollar holders. Weaponizing the dollar through sanctions challenges trust and accelerates decoupling, prompting other nations to seek alternatives to reduce exposure. - Johnson argues that the US is confronting a historic realignment: the Bretton Woods order is dissolving, the dollar’s international dominance is waning, and sanctions and coercive policies are provoking pushback. He highlights Japan as a major remaining dollar treasuries holder that is now offloading, further increasing dollar supply and depressing its value. - The geopolitical implications are significant. Johnson warns that potential US actions against Iran—given their strategic position and the Gulf oil supply—could trigger a severe global disruption, including a price surge in oil. He notes that such actions would complicate global stability and magnify inflationary pressures. - The discussion also covers NATO’s cohesion, Western attempts to shape global alignments, and how rapidly shifting leverage could undermine existing alliances. Johnson suggests that Russia’s strategic gains in the war in Ukraine, combined with Western missteps, may prompt a rapid reevaluation of settlements and borders, while also noting that Russia’s position has hardened. - On Venezuela, Johnson argues that the stated pretexts (drug trafficking, oil control) were questionable and points to economic motives, including revenue opportunities for political allies like Paul Singer, and to Greenland’s strategic interests as possible motivators for US actions. - Looking ahead, Johnson predicts hyperinflation for the United States as the dollar loses value globally, while gold and silver retain value. He asserts that the ruble and yuan may hold value better, and that a mass shift toward de-dollarization is likely to continue, potentially culminating in a new multipolar financial order. - Both speakers agree that trust and predictability are crucial; the current trajectory—threats, sanctions, and unilateral actions—undermines trust and accelerates the move toward alternative currencies and stronger physical-commodity holdings. The overall tone is that a pivotal, watershed moment is unfolding in the global monetary system.

Speaker 0 argues that we are witnessing the end of the fiat dollar-based currency system. He states that unless someone steps in to recognize this, the purchasing power of the dollar is going to zero, and on recent indications this will happen more quickly than originally thought. Regarding investments, he says that if you’re looking at buying gold or silver, it’s not that they are going up so much; rather, the issue is the dollar’s decline, with volatility noted and silver recovering quickly, as is copper. On the topic of hoarding or taking a position, he says you have to ask yourself not the question “is gold going down?” but “will the currency stop going down?” He notes that nothing happens in a straight smooth line, but the loss of purchasing power of the dollar measured by gold—described as real legal money despite what the treasury has claimed for fifty-five years—is accelerating. He concludes that the decline in the dollar is accelerating and is quite alarming when measured in real legal money.

But of all of the red money or crypto or meme coin investments, it's my personal opinion that J proof is the most solid. And all of that, again, the evidence of that is available on the blockchain where you can see what the dev wallet holds, what the dev wallet started with, how I have continued to pour LP rewards back onto the chart, not taking any money for myself. It's It's not a get rich quick scheme. Never has been. It's a long term play. You should be less concerned about the dollar value of your J proof wallet as you are concerned with the amount of J proof tokens that you are holding.

Speaker 0 argues that Venezuela may not want to ally with this Western form of economic exchange, noting they have tried to join BRICS twice but were vetoed by neighboring Brazil. They describe Venezuela as one of the few countries not controlled by private equity oligarchs and central banksters, and say Venezuela pushed back on a monetary exchange that relies on high-interest promissory notes back to Rothschild Boulevard, like Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, and Muammar Gaddafi. They claim Maduro has effectively been kidnapped, and that Trump said, “kidnapped is fine.” The question is how such events can be real and presented as beneficial to Americans, asserting that economically, there is no benefit to the average citizen or to national security, and that it puts the United States in more imminent, grave danger as the U.S. “agitates around the world,” including in relation to Israel’s enemies. Speaker 1 adds that there will be a political and economic reset, suggesting that silver and gold are at record highs and that gold and silver have tripled historically in short periods, leading to a system reset of sorts. They say Venezuela’s attempts to join the system were to be part of a new framework that Russia, China, Iran and BRICS were trying to create, which would go against the dollar as the global reserve currency and directly affect the U.S. economy. They ask whether this should change. Speaker 0 elaborates that the issue is about flipping countries into the same central banker–controlled monetary exchange system. Speaker 1 notes that Trump, from day one, warned that if you mess with the U.S. dollar or trade outside of the dollar, the U.S. will punish you via sanctions or strikes, and that this is what has been happening. They discuss the possibility that if the system resets and a combination of gold, silver, and possibly crypto or other minerals backs a new dollar or digital currency emerges, the entire game could reset and eliminate these types of issues. In such a scenario, countries might have a looser ability to choose or replace the type of system their country is under.

First speaker asks what happens if the government issues digital currency. Second speaker responds that they’re talking about central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) and acknowledges their appeal due to ease, but believes a lot will happen as this develops. Second speaker explains that with digital currency, transactions are easy, and it will be similar to money market funds in terms of practical use. A key question is whether CBDCs can offer interest. There is a debate on this; if CBDCs cannot offer interest, they may be less effective as a hold-in vehicle, since depreciation could make alternatives like money market funds or bonds more attractive. There will be no privacy with CBDCs, making them a very effective government controlling mechanism: all transactions would be known. This close surveillance could be beneficial for countering illegal activity but would also give the government substantial control. Examples include tax collection, the ability to take money, and the establishment of foreign exchange controls. These controls could be particularly challenging for international holders of CBDCs; for instance, sanctions could enable authorities to seize funds held by individuals in other countries. Privacy concerns relate to the possibility that politically disfavored individuals could be shut off. Second speaker reiterates that these privacy and control issues are part of the broader picture. He suggests that, for those reasons, CBDCs will not become a magnitude that changes everything; development will occur, but he does not expect CBDCs to be a huge deal in scale, even though growth is likely.

Russia pays Ukraine to transport gas across the country during a non-war period. The idea of a gold-backed bricks peso seems insignificant for the average person. It may serve as a means to avoid hyperinflation from the dollar or euro, providing stability for important business transactions. The rest of us will likely continue using digital currencies like rubles and corona. This was a conversation with Riley, who concludes by suggesting going for a beer.

The speaker discusses the current state of the Federal Reserve note and argues that paper currency always crashes. They suggest transitioning to Treasury dollars, which Ronald Reagan had printed. They claim that the Federal Reserve does not have the gold that should back the US dollar. The speaker warns that if the country remains with the Federal Reserve note, it will lose its military might and standing. They mention that many countries are no longer using the dollar in international trade. The speaker also talks about their experience at Yale Law School and how the World Bank has been hijacked by a group called the Network of global corporate control. They accuse this group of state capture and usury. They explain that they have not been removed because they have followed the rule of law.

Mario and Jeff discuss what the current geopolitical and monetary environment means for gold, the US dollar, and the broader system that underpins global finance. - Gold and asset roles - Gold is a portfolio asset that does not compete with the dollar; it competes with the stock market and tends to rise when people are concerned about risky assets. It is a “safe haven store value” rather than a monetary instrument aimed at replacing the dollar. - Historically, gold did not reliably hedge inflation in 2021–2022 when the economy seemed to be recovering; in downturns, gold becomes more attractive as a store of value. Recent moves up in gold price over the last two months are viewed as pricing in multiple factors, including potential economic downturn and questionable macro conditions. - The dollar and de-dollarization - The eurodollar system is a vast, largely ledger-based network of US-dollar balances held offshore, allowing near-instantaneous movement of funds. It is not simply “the euro,” and it predates and outlived any single country’s policy. Replacing it would be like recreating the Internet from scratch. - De-dollarization discussions are driven more by political narratives than monetary mechanics. Central banks selling dollar assets during shortages is a liquidity management response, not a repudiation of the dollar. - The dollar’s dominance remains intact because there is no ready substitute meeting all its functions. Replacing the dollar would require replacing the entire set of dollar functions across global settlement, payments, and liquidity provisioning. - Bank reserves, reserves composition, and the size of the eurodollar market - The share of US dollars in foreign reserves has declined, but this is not seen as a meaningful signal about the system’s functionality or dominance; the real issue is the level of settlement and liquidity, which remains heavily dollar-based. - The eurodollar market is enormous and largely offshore, with little public reporting. It is described as a “black hole” that drives movements in the system and is extremely hard to measure precisely. - Current dynamics: debt, safety, and liquidity - The debt ceiling and growing US debt are acknowledged as concerns, but the view presented is that debt dynamics do not destabilize the Treasury market as long as demand for safety and liquidity remains high. In a depression-like environment, US Treasuries are still viewed as the safest and most liquid form of debt, which sustains their price and keeps yields relatively contained. - Gold is safe but not highly liquid as collateral; Treasuries provide liquidity. Central banks use gold to diversify reserves and stabilize currencies (e.g., yuan), but Treasuries remain central to collateral needs in a broad financial system. - China, the US, and global growth - China’s economy faces deflationary pressures, with ten consecutive quarters of deflation in the Chinese GDP deflator, raising questions about domestic demand. Attempts to stimulate have had limited success; overproduction and rebalancing efforts aim to reduce supply to match demand, potentially increasing unemployment and lowering investment. - The US faces a weakening labor market; recent job shedding and rising delinquencies in consumer and corporate credit markets heighten uncertainty about the credit system. This underpins gold’s appeal as a store of value. - China remains heavily dependent on the US consumer; despite decoupling rhetoric, demand for Chinese goods and the global supply chain ties keep the US-China relationship central to global dynamics. The prospect of a Chinese-led fourth industrial revolution (AI, quantum computing) is viewed skeptically as unlikely to overcome structural inefficiencies of a centralized planning model. - Gold, Bitcoin, and alternative systems - Bitcoin is described as a Nasdaq-stock-like store of value tied to tech equities; it is not seen as a robust currency or a wide-scale payment system based on liquidity. It could, in theory, be a superior version of gold someday, but today it behaves like other speculative assets. - The conversation weighs the potential for a shift away from the eurodollar toward private digital currencies or a mix of public-private digital currencies. The idea that a completely decentralized system could replace the eurodollar is acknowledged as a long-term possibility, but currently, stablecoins are evolving toward stand-alone viability rather than a wholesale replacement. - The broader arc and forecast - The trade war is seen as a redistribution of productive capacity rather than a definitive win for either side; macroeconomic outcomes in the 2020s are shaped by monetary conditions and the eurodollar system’s functioning more than by policy interventions alone. - The speakers foresee a future with multipolarity and a gradually evolving monetary regime, possibly moving from the eurodollar toward a suite of digital currencies—some private, some public—while gold remains a key store of value in times of systemic risk. - Argentina, Russia, and Europe - Argentina’s crisis is framed as an outcome of eurodollar malfunctioning; IMF interventions offer only temporary stabilization in the face of ongoing liquidity and deflationary pressures. - Russia remains integrated with global finance through channels like the eurodollar system, even after sanctions; the resilience of energy sectors and external support from partners like China helps it endure. - Europe is acknowledged as facing a difficult, depressing outlook, reinforcing the broader narrative of a challenging global macro environment. Overall, gold is framed as a prudent hedge within a complex, interconnected, and evolving eurodollar system, with no imminent replacement of the dollar in sight, while the path toward a multi-currency or digital-currency future remains uncertain and gradual.

Monero is significantly undervalued, especially with platforms like XMR Bazaar enabling peer-to-peer transactions exclusively in Monero. As more merchants adopt Monero for payments, its usage and value are likely to increase. To spend Monero, one must first acquire it, making it essential to hold Monero in addition to Bitcoin. Unlike Bitcoin, which lacks privacy, Monero offers enhanced privacy features, making it a more sensible choice for users who value confidentiality in their transactions.

Jeff: Gold is not a monetary instrument the way people often think. It’s actually easy to understand once you move away from the idea that gold is tied to dollar inflation. Gold is simply a portfolio asset, a store of value, and the preeminent safe haven store value. Gold doesn’t compete with the dollar; it competes with the stock market or risky credit markets. The notion of “de-dollarization” largely comes from political context rather than monetary mechanics. Mario: So gold prices rising—how should we think about that trade? Jeff: Gold tends to go up when people are concerned about risky assets because it’s a safe haven. It performed poorly as an inflation hedge in 2021–2022 when the economy seemed to recover and policymakers seemed to have hit the right policy mix. Now, with conditions leaning toward an economic downturn and “Nvidia AI stocks” looking bubbly, gold has revived as a safe haven. The last two months reflect the factors I’ve cited being priced into the gold market. Mario: People talk about the death of the US dollar. Is gold not tied to that? Jeff: They’ve been talking about de-dollarization for twenty years. The dollar remains dominant because there is no replacement for its functions; replacing it would be like recreating the Internet from scratch. The Eurodollar system grew because it could meet many needs in a flexible way, including for asset-holders who want to keep things in US-dollar terms. If you’re trying to hide assets, you keep them in US-dollar terms, and there are places to do so. Mario: The dollar’s share of foreign reserves has fallen from 72% to 58% in recent years. Doesn’t that show a shift away from the dollar? Jeff: That drop isn’t necessarily meaningful for reserve mechanics. What matters is the level of settlement and payments, which are still 90% in US dollars. The yuan is rising in FX settlements, but it’s not replacing the dollar; it’s competing with other currencies on the other side of the dollar. The dollar is as dominant as ever, and there’s no easy replacement because you’d have to replace all its functions. Replacing the dollar network would be like recreating the Internet—massive, complex, and gradual. Mario: What about the Eurodollar market itself? How big is it? Jeff: Nobody knows. It’s offshore, regulatory offshore, with little reporting; it’s a black hole. Eurodollars are “numbers on a screen,” ledger money, not physical dollars. The Eurodollar system lets money move quickly worldwide through bank-ledger networks, integrating various ledgers. It’s the global settlement mechanism, and its size is effectively unknowable, yet it’s the currency the world uses. Mario: Why do central banks buy gold now, especially China? Jeff: Gold is a portfolio asset, a diversification tool. Central banks must diversify reserves; they still need some US Treasuries for the eurodollar system, but gold helps balance risk. In China’s case, gold supports yuan stability and diversifies reserves beyond US assets. Mario: What happens if a conflict with China disrupts the system? What replaces the dollar or the eurodollar plumbing? Jeff: It’s the great unknown. If there’s a real shooting war, China could be cut off by many, and the dollar system would shrink to those willing to participate. The eurodollar would strengthen as a settlement medium, though with a smaller global footprint. The idea of replacing the eurodollar with a Chinese-led system is unlikely; gold’s role in cross-border settlement remains limited, and gold alone isn’t a reliable settlement instrument. Mario: Is China building a “gold corridor” to decouple from the dollar? Jeff: The gold corridor theory reflects ongoing speculation. There have been many schemes—Petro-dollar, digital currencies, Belt and Road—that have not proven game-changing in defeating the dollar system. Gold in that context is not a robust settlement mechanism across geographies; the eurodollar system arose to move away from gold settlement. Mario: Why are people hoarding gold? How does the US debt situation affect the dollar’s safety? Jeff: US debt is a concern, but safety and liquidity demand still drives demand for government debt, not gold. Gold is safe but illiquid as collateral; liquidity is why Treasuries remain central. The debt grows, but the treasury market has remained robust because it’s the deepest market and the safest liquid asset. The larger risk lies in the federal government's expanding footprint and the potential debt trap, where stimulus doesn’t spur growth and leads to rising debt. Mario: What about Bitcoin as a store of value? And how about Russia? Jeff: Bitcoin behaves like a Nasdaq stock—more of a store of value tied to tech equities than a broad currency. It’s not likely to become a widespread medium of exchange. Russia remains connected to the US system; it’s less about the Russian economy collapsing and more about how energy and sanctions interact. The eurodollar system has kept Russia afloat through channels like the UAE, and it’s unlikely that Russia’s fate hinges on a single currency shift. Mario: Will the US empire fall or evolve into a multipolar world? Jeff: Likely a multipolar world, not a complete fall of the US empire. I’m long-term optimistic on the US and global economy. The eurodollar system could slowly be replaced by private digital currencies, with stablecoins evolving toward independence. The transition would be gradual, with multiple private digital currencies emerging, while the eurodollar would persist in a rump form if needed.