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In January 2023, the speaker went to the Holy Land as a volunteer tour guide with their mother and a church group. The group was stopped by the IDF a half-mile from their destination. Soldiers with machine guns boarded the bus to check IDs. The speaker was told to stop recording to avoid arrest. The bus had to take a longer route. The bus driver said they were stopped because they were Palestinian and was rushing to avoid the Muslim Friday shutdown. At lunch, the electricity was shut off to the whole complex. A shopkeeper told the speaker that authorities often shut off the electricity to prevent them from making money from tourists. The speaker believes the electricity was shut off arbitrarily. The speaker feels that allowing young soldiers unchecked power leads to injustice. They found the Palestinian people they met to be kind, while many of the soldiers were hateful. The speaker's perspective on the conflict shifted after witnessing these events firsthand.

The ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine significantly impacts America. A viable solution requires uniting Hamas and Fatah for honest elections, with a focus on the 1967 borders and modifications for a two-state solution. However, Netanyahu's push for a one-state solution threatens Israel's future and resembles apartheid, as Palestinians face severe restrictions and domination by Israelis. Many Americans and Israelis remain unaware or unwilling to confront the harsh realities in Palestine, where human rights abuses are prevalent. Political pressures in the U.S. hinder open discussions about Israel's legal boundaries and the Palestinian plight. There have been no peace talks in over seven years, and any congressional member advocating for change risks losing their position.

I used to be a Zionist and planned to move to Israel. However, after visiting Hebron, the largest occupied city in the West Bank, I witnessed things that I cannot forget. I saw Palestinians being prohibited from walking on certain streets, while Israeli settlers enjoyed a luxurious lifestyle on top of a hill, protected by soldiers. At the same time, Palestinians lived in slums at the bottom of the hill, despite having lived there for generations. These experiences made me question my own biases and the beliefs I grew up with.

Speaker 0 explains that not all Republicans are registered with APAC, and that many colleagues would vote with him if not for political backlash back home. He says some Republicans tell him, “that’s wrong what APAC is doing to you,” and they want to talk to their APAC person. He notes that nearly everyone except him has an APAC person, which he likens to a babysitter who is always talking to you for APAC. When these members are in DC, they lunch with their APAC contacts, who have their cell numbers and keep conversations going. He mentions that four members of Congress have said they’ll talk to their APAC person to try to get ads dialed back. He questions why this isn’t more widely known, arguing that it benefits nobody for constituents to know they have a “buddy system with somebody who represents a foreign country.” Speaker 1 asks what APAC is, and Speaker 0 explains the concept further, noting that the APAC person is connected to the congressman and that this dynamic exists on the Republican side. He says the APAC person is embedded in the caucus presence, and that conversations with them occur when members come to DC. He remarks that this arrangement is not beneficial for public disclosure, so members don’t tell their constituents about it. Speaker 1 asks if any other country does anything similar. Speaker 0 responds emphatically that they do not: “Not only do they not have a Putin guy. Look. They don’t they they don’t have a Britain guy. They don’t have an Australian guy. They don’t have a Germany dude.” He asserts that APAC is the only country with someone who uniformly matches a congressman to an APAC contact, and that there is likely a spreadsheet at APAC mapping the APAC contact to the congressman’s votes on issues. He adds that APAC pays for trips for congressmen and their spouses to go to Israel; he notes he may not be the only Republican who hasn’t taken the APAC Israel trip, but he’s among a minority who hasn’t yet. Speaker 1 asks about the trip, and Speaker 0 describes it as “vacationy,” including visits to the Western Wall and other sites, and mentions swimming in the Dead Sea. Speaker 1 comments that Israel is a great country and that Jerusalem is wonderful, but clarifies that this appreciation is distinct from the government of Israel and its politics. Speaker 0 agrees that Israelis are entrepreneurial and publicly minded, and Speaker 1 shares a personal fondness for Israel, praising the country and its people, while noting the difference between the people and the government. Speaker 1 and Speaker 0 discuss their affection for Israel, with Speaker 1 distinguishing his personal love of the place from political influence, and both agreeing that Israel is a special place, with Speaker 0 emphasizing the distinction between people and government.

I visited the Gaza Strip with Palestinian Muslim guides. Despite risks, we entered a town and met a young girl. When the locals approached, I stayed to help and gave what I could. Both Palestinians and Israelis deserve peace. I pray they find solace in the Lord Jesus.

Living in Jerusalem, I realized that Palestinians living next to me were under my military rule. I had the power to do whatever I wanted with them, like using their homes as temporary bases or arresting them to demolish their homes. They were restricted from walking on certain streets, forcing them to find alternative routes. This made me question the lies I had been told. Instead of feeling like I was protecting or helping anyone, I felt like a terrorist, terrorizing people to prevent them from opposing Israeli settlers or the military. Our mission was to instill fear in the hearts of Palestinians in Hebron, and we succeeded.

I am an American Jew who recently lived in Israel for four months. When you visit the territories around the West Bank and Gaza, you see the wall, surveillance cameras pointed at Palestinians' homes, and autonomous weapons at checkpoints. It's hard to understand the reality of occupation unless you witness it firsthand. Growing up as a Palestinian child, you know that the country you live in hates you and is willing to kill you based on video footage. Israel's advanced technology allows them to target Hamas members without bombing the entire region. This level of intelligence suggests that Israel's actions are a massacre and genocide, driven by white supremacy, dictatorship, and control over a people who are innocent of the crimes committed against them.

The dialogue centers on casualties in Gaza and the broader human impact of the conflict. One participant states that the government has admitted 70,000 people were killed, a figure they had not previously disclosed. From their perspective, there are 70,000 killed, with many of the victims described as children and women, explicitly noting that they are labeled as terrorists according to Israeli categories. When asked what percentage of the dead are women and children, the speaker confirms that there are statistics out there, but asserts that the vast majority are women and children. The discussion then turns to access and movement: is it possible to know who can go to Gaza? Over the last couple of years in Gaza, the question is raised about what happened and whether there will ever be a clear answer. The speaker believes that people will ultimately know in one way or another, but emphasizes that the catastrophe there is unparalleled and cannot be healed. The sheer scale of destruction and death is described as heartbreak, with the speaker stating that there are no words to convey the impact. They anticipate that at some point, people will understand who did what, why it happened, and how it came to be, but for now the bottom line is that there are people who are suffering and dying as a direct result of violence, which they describe as devastating. The exchange concludes with a question about the speaker’s treatment in Israel, to which no explicit answer is provided in the transcript. Throughout, the emphasis remains on the human toll of the violence in Gaza, the stated casualty figures and demographic composition, the ongoing questions about accountability and causation, and the lasting, devastating impact on civilians. The dialogue underscores a sense of unresolved inquiry about access and movement into Gaza in the context of a catastrophe, while foregrounding the personal experience of suffering and loss wrought by the conflict.

As a Holocaust survivor, I initially believed in the Zionist dream of a Jewish state. However, I soon realized that achieving this dream meant oppressing and expelling the local Palestinian population. The Nakba, or catastrophe, was the foundation of Israel, yet it is not allowed to be mentioned. During my visit to the occupied territories, I witnessed the brutality of the occupation, including the destruction of olive groves and denial of water rights. Palestinians are trapped in what is often referred to as the world's largest outdoor prison. Criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-Semite; it is about standing up for Palestinian rights and justice. The Western press often portrays Palestinians as terrorists while giving Israel less criticism. Israeli historians, professors, and soldiers have spoken out against Israeli policies. It is important for people, regardless of their background, to speak up against injustice and not be silenced by accusations of anti-Semitism.

The speaker spent 10 days in Palestine and Israel and was shocked by the complexity of the conflict. However, upon visiting Hebron, they quickly understood the situation. They witnessed the segregation and restrictions imposed on Palestinians, such as limited mobility and voting rights. The speaker compared this to their own experiences with racial oppression in African American history. They also discussed their personal journey in understanding nonviolence as an ethic and the corrupting nature of violence. The speaker questioned the justification for the killing of innocent people and emphasized the importance of dignity and morality. They expressed concern for those who can participate in violence without remorse.

I had a great meeting with Abbas, who I felt was very nice. After a brief meeting with Netanyahu, I realized he may not want to make a deal. I used to think Israelis were willing to do anything for peace, but now I see that may not be the case.

Before visiting Palestine, I had no knowledge about it until I turned 18. It's concerning how our education system and media fail to provide a balanced understanding of the situation. Initially, I had some idea about Palestine, but the reality is far worse than I imagined.

During our time in Israel, we spoke to Palestinians, pollsters, Israeli politicians, journalists, and people with various viewpoints. We discovered that the security wall is mostly a fence, with only 5% being an actual wall. Palestinians can enter Israel after passing through airport-like security, but Israelis are prohibited from entering certain areas of the West Bank due to safety concerns. We also learned that Bethlehem, where Jesus was born, is inaccessible due to a large minaret and the glorification of suicide bombers. Additionally, we visited an Israeli military hospital that provides care to Syrians who have been victims of ISIS. These experiences have led me to question the feasibility of a two-state solution and believe that Israeli control is necessary for the preservation of this small piece of land.

Israel has a right to exist and defend itself, but Palestinians are often ignored. Palestinians are treated as third-class citizens and face apartheid-like conditions. The Israeli government evicts Palestinians from their land, which is then used for Israeli settlements. Palestinians have limited control over their lives, with restrictions on building permits, water supply, solar energy, medical treatment, electricity, fishing, and transportation. The US government supports Israel and considers Hamas, the governing party in Gaza, a terrorist organization. Palestinians have chosen Hamas due to their frustration with Israeli oppression. Israel and the US need to adopt new approaches towards Palestinians. The Palestinian people face apartheid, deprivation, and civil rights violations. This information is readily available, but one must actively seek it out.

We are unable to speak with people in Israel due to lack of access. Medical doctors from Gaza were stopped by the Israeli government from sharing information with us. We urge Israel to cooperate and victims to come forward. Access to Gaza and the West Bank has been denied since October 7.

The speakers recount their trip to Israel from a Christian and Western perspective, describing a sequence of confrontations, observations, and reflections that challenged long-held beliefs about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Upon arrival, they say the truth behind the conflict revealed itself through persistent, consistent events. They detail being interrogated by a young Israeli soldier who warned of terrorists, and hearing a gunshot on their street, which they later learned involved a 15-year-old boy found with a pocket knife at a checkpoint, the photo of the weapon allegedly staged to minimize its size. They describe entering the West Bank, noting a massive wall and a thick military presence, and warn that these patterns resemble apartheid, drawing parallels to what they had learned about apartheid in South Africa. They recount passing through checkpoints, gates, and the wall, and observe the military presence as a recurring feature of the landscape. One speaker recalls encountering dehumanizing imagery at apartheid museums and the way it mirrored the locals’ treatment. A Palestinian scarf (kaffir) purchased by Janti is discussed, with the seller claiming the scarf represents unity and equality, while the group notes the confiscation of the scarf near the Western Wall and questions why a symbol representing a people group cannot be brought into a religious site. They recount a visit to the church believed to be the birthplace of Jesus, where the priest—a native Arab—reveals he is Christian, challenging their assumption that all Arabs are Muslim, and addressing the broader misconception that Palestinians are Muslims. The speakers challenge the notion that the conflict is a religious war, arguing instead that it is racist and describes “ethnic cleansing.” They reflect that what they were taught about Israel and Palestine does not align with their experiences, prompting ongoing reflection and questioning. They suggest that as Christians, their visit leads to a reevaluation of what they had learned, and one speaker mentions writing a book about moving from Islamophobia to helping families in Gaza, asserting a moral obligation for travel creators to present the full truth beyond hopeful highlights. The conversation touches on social responsibility in media and public platforms: one speaker notes the tension between supporting family livelihoods and maintaining an online platform with a duty to truth. Personal family dynamics are touched upon, including a father who did not call on a birthday, and the broader sense of urgency about global involvement. They conclude by endorsing South Africa’s role at the ICJ, affirming that involvement is necessary and that they are proud of South Africa’s legal actions, feeling that the country is on the right track.

As an American Jew deeply involved in Judaism, I had a profound experience when I visited Palestinians in the West Bank. It reminded me of the Jim Crow South, witnessing people living without rights, citizenship, or freedom of movement. They endure a harsh military legal system. While I don't agree with Mifda, who supports violence, it's important to acknowledge what Ilhan Omar said: people should see the situation for themselves. I've never met anyone who hasn't been transformed by such an experience. It's similar to visiting SNCC during the civil rights movement and dismissing them based on connections or anti-white sentiments.

The speaker discusses their experience in Palestine and highlights the misconceptions surrounding the situation. They explain that Hamas does not control all of Palestine, but rather there are three different areas: the West Bank, which is under Israeli military rule; the Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas; and Jerusalem, an international city where both Arabs and Jews live. They describe the harsh conditions in the West Bank, including checkpoints, political restrictions, and the high conviction rate. The speaker also shares stories of violence and oppression, such as shootings at funerals and peaceful protests. They emphasize the hatred towards Palestinians and the illegal settlements in the West Bank. The speaker concludes by mentioning the different treatment of Arabs and Jews, including separate license plates and arbitrary checkpoints.

The speaker discusses their experience in Israel and Palestine, highlighting the misconceptions about Hamas controlling Palestine. They explain that there are three different areas: the West Bank, under Israeli military rule; the Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas; and Jerusalem, an international city where both Arabs and Jews live. The West Bank has been under military occupation since 1967, with checkpoints and political parties being illegal. Palestinians face severe restrictions and imprisonment for sharing photos or belonging to a political party. The speaker shares stories of attending a funeral where Israeli forces tear-gassed and shot rubber bullets at attendees, and another incident where an old man was shot at a checkpoint. They also mention the restrictions on Palestinians visiting Jerusalem and the ban on entering Gaza.

Speaker A: The IDF trains American police officers and ICE officers in Israel? They train with US ICE, with US Homeland Security. NYPD. NYPD. And that's what's called through a SME program, subject matter exchange, where our police, etcetera, train with them. So, these National Guard soldiers that will soon be in or are in Chicago have trained with and trained with Israel habitually for years. So when you look at all of these pieces of who do we have operating on the streets of Portland and the streets of New York and on in DC and who's going into Chicago, all components and elements that have trained hand in hand with the IDF or the Israeli Ministry of the Interior Gendarmerie paramilitary police. Speaker B: That's absolutely amazing. I also That's not a coincidence. They do antisemitism training, not just physical training, but brainwash training, basically, for them too. Speaker A: When we entered Israel, they took us on the Hospa tour. They took us to Kibbutz B'Ari. They took us to the Nova Film Festival site, and they also took us to Sderot, which is the overlook just outside of Northern Gaza City in Beit Hanun. It's on the Israeli side of the border Right. That overlooks all of Gaza City. Mhmm. They've turned that into a spectacle. It's a picnic site. Really? You can go up there. There's vending machines. There's an area to park. There's an area where you can get your panoramic view with Gaza in the background, and if you time it just right, there might be a bomb that drops for your photo.

As a Holocaust survivor, I initially believed in the Zionist dream of a Jewish state. However, I soon realized that achieving this dream involved oppressing and expelling the local Palestinian population. The Nakba, or catastrophe, was the foundation of Israel but is not acknowledged in the country. During my visit to the occupied territories, I witnessed the brutality of the occupation, including the denial of water rights and destruction of Palestinian olive groves. Palestinians are trapped in what is essentially an outdoor prison. Criticizing Israel does not make one an antisemite; it is about standing up for Palestinian rights and justice. The Western press often portrays Palestinians as terrorists while giving Israel less criticism. Israeli historians, professors, and soldiers have spoken out against Israeli policies, providing ample information for those willing to seek the truth. It is crucial for people of goodwill, regardless of their religious background, to challenge the silencing tactics and support justice, liberty, freedom, and truth.

The Palestinians live under Israeli government control, which many consider oppressive. Israel and America need to change their approach. Palestinians have been deprived of their land for over 70 years, leading to deep frustration. They face apartheid, lack basic necessities, and endure civil rights violations. This is not a secret; it's visible if you look for it.

The speaker shares their experience in Palestine and highlights the misconceptions about Hamas controlling the entire region. They explain that there are three different areas: the West Bank, under Israeli military rule; the Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas; and Jerusalem, an international city where both Arabs and Jews live. The speaker describes the harsh conditions in the West Bank, including checkpoints, illegal political parties, and restrictions on basic rights. They mention the high conviction rate, torture of children, and arbitrary shootings by Israeli forces. The speaker also mentions a woman who was executed at a checkpoint and the ban on entering Gaza. Overall, they express their shock and disgust at the treatment of Palestinians.

Israeli society has built physical and mental walls, believing they are the chosen people with the right to do as they please. They justify their actions by comparing their occupation to others in history, but uniquely present themselves as the sole victims. The most dangerous aspect is the systematic dehumanization of Palestinians, allowing Israelis to live in peace with their actions. If Palestinians are not seen as human, there is no need to question their treatment.

When I heard Israel cut off Palestine's water, I wondered why Israel controls Palestine's water supply. Amnesty International's "The Occupation of Water" explains that Israel seized control of Palestinian water resources in the West Bank and Gaza. Palestinians can't construct new water infrastructure without permits from the Israeli army, which are nearly impossible to obtain. They can't drill new wells or access the Jordan River, and Israel even controls rainwater collection. About 180 rural Palestinian communities lack running water, leading to vast disparities. Israelis consume four times more water than Palestinians in the OPT. Palestinians consume an average of 73 liters of water per day, below the WHO's minimum, and as low as 20 liters in rural areas. Israelis consume approximately 300 liters daily. Intentionally depriving people of water, especially children, is abhorrent and requires a dehumanizing narrative to justify it.