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Whitney Webb and Robbie Martin discuss the post-election Trumpverse, focusing on Giuliani, Bernard Carrick, Lin Wood, and the Stop the Steal movement, and they consider how these figures have promoted QAnon narratives while having deep-state or insider Republican ties. They also examine how January events around Inauguration Day and electoral vote counting might unfold, including potential violence and provocations. They flag Trump’s tweet that “the vice president has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors,” noting it could trigger electoral chaos and raise concerns about manufactured violence or false flags as Stop the Steal rhetoric intensifies. Robbie argues Pence’s role is pivotal: some in Trump’s circle, including Pence, are facing crosshairs from a QAnon-informed base if they act against the effort to overturn or stall the vote; Pence’s past actions, such as his involvement in the anthrax scare framing, complicate perceptions of his loyalty. The conversation shifts to Lin Wood and his aggressive pro-Trump, martial-law rhetoric. Lin Wood has called for limited martial law, and Wood has attacked Mike Pence as a traitor and pushed militaristic China rhetoric, signaling a merge of Stop the Steal activism with overtly martial, quasi-state action language. The speakers discuss the possibility of agent provocateurs at the rally and the broader implication that QAnon has become indistinguishable from the mainstream MAGA movement, fueling both street actions and internal political strain within parties. They discuss the data-crunching underpinning of modern political movements, arguing that the engine is more than a few online trolls. Silicon Valley’s role in amplifying content, the DNC data warehouse Phoenix built with Hawkfish, and the broader data-mining infrastructure are highlighted as crucial to how QAnon and related narratives spread. They reference the idea that the engine relies on vast profiling and algorithmic amplification, complicating efforts to clamp down on conspiracy networks and suggesting a deeper “limited hangout” mechanism that serves partisan aims. Giuliani’s post-2020 actions are summarized: his appearance at the infamous Four Seasons landscaping press conference, the public fall-out with Sidney Powell, and his leadership in promoting Hunter Biden laptop theories. He has repeatedly claimed possession of controversial material and pushed disinformation around the 2020 election. His long-standing history is traced from early career moves—perp walks, mafia prosecutions, and a longstanding association with Bernard Carrick—through post-9/11 bioterror and emergency management roles, and into post-Giuliani political theatre. They note Giuliani’s early cooperation with Jerome Hauer and later DHS ties, his involvement with Bio One and Sabre Technologies, and his promotion of MEK and anti-Iranian advocacy, as well as China hawk positions and connections to Epoch Times. Bernard Carrick’s trajectory is reviewed as Giuliani’s protege: NYPD leadership during 9/11, then interior minister of Iraq rebuilding police, intelligence, and border services; a post-9/11 bribery conviction involving a Wertheimer-funded loan, followed by a presidential pardon. Carrick has promoted hammer and scorecard theories and publicized attempts to frame post-election narratives; he has appeared with Trump surrogates, including on Fox and Newsmax, and has teased possible pardons or political moves (e.g., discussions about Ross Ulbricht) to sustain opposition to the “deep state.” The discussion touches on broader neocon and foreign-policy networks, including PNAC’s factionalization, Dan Senor’s Startup Nation, and connections to Israel’s influence in Iraq reconstruction and Middle East policy. They note the interplay between private intelligence networks, mercantile power, and geostrategic messaging, including how Falun Gong-associated Epoch Times and related outlets promote anti-China narratives that intersect with MAGA discourse. They emphasize the complexity and opacity of elite networks driving public-facing conspiracy theories, political performances, and “deep state” framing, rather than standalone populist phenomena. The conversation closes with acknowledgment that the January landscape remains highly unsettled, with significant domestic and international geopolitical undercurrents shaping the Stop the Steal moment and its aftermath.