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The USMCA is a good deal, but the speaker had a bad relationship with a person who worked for Trudeau's predecessor because they disagreed on the deal. The speaker claims to have called Trudeau "governor Trudeau," which may have hurt his election. The speaker questioned Trudeau about why the US was taking Canada's cars and suggested a 25% tariff on Canadian cars, to which Trudeau allegedly responded that it would mean the end of Canada. The speaker finds it hard to justify subsidizing Canada, potentially to the tune of $200 billion a year, while the US protects Canada militarily. The speaker believes it's hard for the American taxpayer to be happy about subsidizing Canada.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 exchange hostile remarks. Speaker 0: "I don't like you either. I don't and it and it probably never will." Speaker 1 notes that in Australia there is concern it has taken nine months to arrange this meeting and asks if Speaker 0 has concerns with this administration on Palestine, climate change, or about past statements by the Australian ambassador. Speaker 0 replies he doesn't know anything about him, and if the ambassador said something bad, the ambassador "maybe he'll like to apologize." Speaker 0 asks, "Did an ambassador say something bad about him? Don't don't tell me. Don't know. Where is he? Is he still working for you?" Speaker 1 says, "Yeah," and adds, "He's just working you. Oh my god." Speaker 0 asks, "You said bad?" Speaker 1 adds, "Before I took this position." The exchange ends with Speaker 0 reiterating, "mister president I don't like you either. I don't and I I probably never will."

- Speaker 0 expresses a core problem: how to support the Donald Trump presidency when the figures associated with his circle (Alex Jones, Owen Shroyer, Ian Carroll) embody traits they oppose, prompting questions about alignment with their side. He asks how to reconcile supporting Trump with these associations, calling it an objective problem. - Speaker 1 responds that he has not researched certain controversial items (Eric Prince’s phone) and notes that Eric Prince is a polarizing figure from the military-industrial complex world. He argues that involvement in war fighting does not automatically make someone evil and that a full picture requires digging beyond initial impressions, acknowledging he hasn’t done all the research. - Speaker 0 challenges this, citing his own video: Eric Prince has three CEOs for Blackwater, all with intricate ties to the IDF. He questions coincidence between Palantir Technologies and the surveillance state, Israel’s influence, and three IDF-affiliated Blackwater CEOs, referencing USS Liberty and suggesting Eric Prince’s past atrocities and a lack of accountability. He asks whether such a figure could ever be considered a good person and whether repentance is possible, noting he hasn’t seen Prince acknowledge past wrongs. - Speaker 0 adds BlackRock as another easy target, claiming BlackRock, with help from the Trump administration, bought two ports in the Panama Canal for $22.8 billion, and contends Trump mentioned a company would buy the Panama Canal during the State of the Union, but did not name BlackRock. He challenges the listener to consider whether Trump is on their side given this nugget of information. - Speaker 1 says he was not endorsing a specific device or action, calling the “phones” comment offhand and irrelevant. He reiterates he isn’t waiting for Trump or Elon Musk to act in the interest of people, and states he’s intentionally not waiting for them to do so. He emphasizes starting change bottom-up, and encourages starting conversations rather than trolling, suggesting Seven Seas could help. - Speaker 0 shifts to a broader miscommunication problem: there’s a gap where people misread each other, treating allies as enemies. He advocates filling this gap through dialogue with diverse figures like Seven Seas, Ian Carroll, Joe Rogan, Whitney Webb, Derek Brose. He mentions a planned March sit-down interview between Derek Brose and Ian Carroll, hoping for a productive exchange, while noting past heated exchanges where ad hominem attacks diminished constructive dialogue. He cites Clint Russell and redheaded libertarian as examples of contentious interactions. - They discuss disagreements over Trump’s ideology and policies, including concerns that Trump still praises the VA, pharma, and large-scale spending, which confounds libertarian critiques. He cites a national debt comparison between Obama and Trump era spending, arguing that debt devalues the dollar and harms Americans, regardless of party. - Speaker 0 reiterates suspicion that the criticism of Trump and Elon Musk coexists with perceived support for them, labeling it an inconsistency. He promises to withhold calling someone a shill until there is clear intent to deceive. Speaker 1 suggests focusing on good-faith arguments, mentioning Glenn Greenwald with respect, and invites Seven Seas to share their take on Ian Carroll’s reaction to Seven Seas’ post.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the Trump administration’s approach to foreign policy and its global impact. - Unpredictability as a negotiation asset: Speaker 0 notes that Trump’s rhetoric is out of the norm and concerning, citing statements about Greenland, Iran, Venezuela, and Gaza. Speaker 1 counters that Trump starts with a very tough position and then moderates it as a negotiation tactic, arguing that unpredictability has value but erodes credibility because “what he says this week will not be what he might do next week or the week after.” - Gaza, Venezuela, and Iran as case studies: Gaza is described as having no peace, only ongoing uncertainty. In Venezuela, Speaker 0 sees a new regime leader working with the old regime, making regime change unlikely; Speaker 1 cautions that Rodriguez would have to dismantle the army and paramilitaries to improve Venezuela, implying changes may be blocked by corruption and drug trafficking networks. In Iran, despite expectations of a strike, Trump did not strike, which Speaker 1 attributes to calculated restraint and the need to avoid provoking Iranian retaliation; Speaker 0 asks why, and Speaker 1 emphasizes the complexity and the risk of escalation. - Domestic and diplomatic capacity under Trump: Speaker 1 argues the administration relies on nontraditional figures (e.g., Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff) rather than professional diplomats, contributing to a lack of sustained policy execution. He notes the Pentagon, State Department, and National Security Council have been stripped of expertise, with many positions unfilled. He describes diplomacy as being conducted by envoy, with trusted associates who lack deep diplomatic experience. - Global power shifts and alliances: Speaker 1 says unpredictability can undermine US credibility; however, there is a real shift as the US appears to retreat from international engagement. He asserts that Russia and China have lost clients due to various internal and regional dynamics, while the US withdrawal from international organizations has allowed China to gain influence, including within the UN. He predicts that the US could become weaker in the long run relative to its previous position, even if economically stronger domestically. - Regional dynamics and potential alliances: The conversation touches on the theoretical possibility of an Islamic or Middle Eastern NATO-like alliance, led by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia with potential Turkish involvement. Speaker 1 argues that such an alliance would not resemble NATO but that regional powers are likely to form bilateral and regional arrangements to counterbalance major powers like the US, Russia, and China. In the Middle East, Israel is cast as an influential actor shaping regional alignments, with Gulf states wary of Iranian retaliation and crisis spillover. - The Iran crisis and military posture: Speaker 1 explains why Gulf states and Israel did not want an immediate strike on Iran due to the risk of massive retaliation and limited US regional presence at the time. He notes the Abraham Lincoln and George H.W. Bush carrier groups' movements suggest potential future force projection, but states that any strike would likely be small if undertaken given current hardware positioning. He suggests the crisis will continue, with Iran’s internal repression and external deterrence shaping the dynamics. He also points to the 2000 missiles and the IRGC’s scale as factors in regional calculations. - Reflection on impact and timing: The discussion notes the potential for longer-term consequences in US credibility and global influence once Trumpism passes, with the possibility of the US reemerging weaker on the world stage despite possible internal economic strength. Speaker 0 closes with appreciation for the discussion; Speaker 1 agrees.

Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of being a corrupt politician. Speaker 1 responds by mentioning that 50 former national intelligence officials and the heads of the CIA have dismissed the accusations as false. Speaker 0 dismisses this as another Russia hoax. Speaker 1 tries to steer the conversation back to the issue of race.

The speakers disagree on President Trump's competency. One speaker believes it's absurd to question Trump's competency, especially after years of questioning President Biden's mental acuity. The speaker believes words matter and should be used carefully to avoid inflaming the public and to arrive at the truth. The other speaker questions Trump's competency, cognitive abilities, ignorance, and truthfulness, citing examples such as a photoshopped photo, a Supreme Court ruling, Elon Musk holding press conferences in the Oval Office, misunderstanding trade deficits, and a disastrous economy. This speaker believes Trump has driven the country into a disastrous economy, undermined the rule of law and democracy, and cut taxes for the rich. The first speaker disagrees, stating that the first hundred days are exactly what Trump promised and what the American people voted for.

The speakers agree that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. One speaker states this is a fact, period, point blank. While both speakers agree Trump is a threat, one suggests that his rhetoric should be toned down.

The discussion opens with Speaker 0 addressing Ki Adi, the president, noting that there is concern in Australia that it has taken nine months to arrange this meeting. The speaker asks whether the president has concerns with the administration’s stance on Palestine, climate change, or the Australian ambassador’s past statements about him. The president responds that he doesn’t know anything about the ambassador; if the ambassador said something bad, perhaps he would like an apology, but he doesn’t know. He asks, “Did an ambassador say something bad about him? Don’t tell me. Don’t Where is he? Is he still working for you?” The president confirms the ambassador is still working for the administration and appears to indicate the ambassador is nearby by saying, “Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He’s just right there. He’s right.” When asked again about any bad statements, the president or speaker responds with “Give up. Do you said bad?” The exchange culminates with a blunt admission: “Before I took this position, mister president I don’t like you either. Oh, yeah. I don’t. And I and I probably never will.”

Speaker 0 believes the president's tweets and behavior demonstrate he uses power to beat people down. The speaker thinks the president's Twitter account should be suspended because he is irresponsible with his words in a way that could result in harm to others. Speaker 1 notes that suspending the president's account would allow his followers to claim that Silicon Valley is silencing him. Speaker 0 counters that the president's words are powerful and he has never fully appreciated the responsibility that comes with them. Speaker 0 says the president uses his words in a way that could subject someone to harm, and if he won't exercise self-restraint, other mechanisms should ensure his words do not harm anyone.

Speaker 0 questions the strength of the new president's mandate, noting he won the popular vote by only 1.5% and the general election with less than 50% of the vote. Speaker 1 argues that the president does have a mandate, stating they are not a supporter of Trump, but of truth and facts. The president won every swing state, increased voter turnout among Black, Latino, and young voters, and 89% of counties shifted to the right. Republicans hadn't won the popular vote since 2004, but they did this year, also winning the electoral college. Speaker 1 doesn't understand how people can look at that and say there's no mandate. Speaker 0 suggests they have different definitions of a mandate. Speaker 1 believes Democrats may use the close margin as an excuse to avoid changing their strategy.

Speaker 0 argues that history will view this presidency as probably the most reckless and corrupt in the history of the United States, and expresses fear that without change the country and the world risk major harm, including the possibility of World War III. They say, regardless of views on global leadership, that being on top “what good is it … if you've created an absolute hellscape?” They emphasize the need for the course to change and suggest the future of the United States as a cohesive country and the world is currently in question because of the administration’s behavior. Speaker 1 agrees that America used to hold the moral high ground—defending human rights, free speech, and free trade—but asserts that none of those things are true any longer. They claim America is “the terror regime of the world,” describing it as pillaging, stealing, bombing, assassinating, running color revolutions, lying, and doing everything possible to destroy others to keep America as the last nation standing on its pile of soon to be worthless debt. They state this is not a moral position from which to lead any civilization. Speaker 0 contends that America has the tools to be all those values, citing a great constitutional republican system, the federation of states, resources, and human capital. They note a problem, however: a “giant pile of worthless fiat paper,” with the bill coming due and the tantrums of an empire, referencing warnings by people like Gerald Celente and Alex Jones about a fiat bubble rupture. They say the question is where the country wants to be in the world, criticizing a lack of imagination among the “great and the good in America” about a compelling future. Speaker 1 adds a new issue: 31 million Americans are injecting themselves with GLP-1 drugs, which they say cause a 100% increase in risk of psychiatric disorders and suicidal ideation, especially among women, with the most use among 50–65-year-olds. They claim Trump is working to make these drugs more affordable so that more people can take them, potentially leading to half of US adults using a drug based on venom peptides of the Gila monster, a paralyzing agent, risking madness. They compare this to lead poisoning and reference Ozempic as one of these drugs. Speaker 0 asks, “What’s it called? Ozempic? Is that a GOP one?” Speaker 1 confirms “Ozempic,” and notes that the drugs are used for vanity to look healthy, not because people are actually healthy. They reiterate the core issue: what goes into bodies and the environment in which people live, stressing that there is an opportunity today to correct and improve the situation, and that many are taking that opportunity.

Speaker 2 stated he doesn't think they can change Donald Trump at this stage. Speaker 1 believes Pierre Poilievre, like Trump, will focus on the American worker, securing borders, ending fentanyl, and securing the world. Speaker 2 said he and Poilievre have a lot in common, but Speaker 1 says Poilievre is willfully blind to threats facing the country. Speaker 2 stated the U.S. doesn't want cars, steel, or aluminum from Canada because they want to make their own. Speaker 1 questioned how much steel is used these days. Speaker 2 recounted a conversation with Trudeau, whom he called "Governor Trudeau," about tariffs on Canadian cars. Speaker 2 claimed Trudeau said a 25% tariff would mean the end of Canada. Speaker 2 believes the U.S. subsidizes Canada to the tune of maybe $200 billion a year and that it's hard to justify. He added that the U.S. protects Canada militarily.

Speaker 0 states that Donald Trump is in retreat due to opposition to his tariff policies, which are described as chaotic and damaging to the economy. These policies are said to discourage spending due to their unpredictability and harm American families. Speaker 1 claims tariffs send a message to China that their unfair trade policies must end and that failure to reform will have dramatic consequences. The speaker asserts China has a large and growing trade surplus with the U.S., partly due to free trade rules, but largely because China doesn't play fair by restricting access to their markets and not preventing the theft of intellectual property.

The speakers disagree on President Trump's competency. One speaker believes it's absurd to question Trump's competency, especially after years of questioning President Biden's mental acuity. They stress the importance of accurate language to avoid inflaming the public and to arrive at the truth. The other speaker questions Trump's competency, cognitive abilities, ignorance, and truthfulness, citing examples such as a photoshopped photo, a Supreme Court ruling, Elon Musk holding press conferences in the Oval Office, and misunderstanding trade deficits. They believe Trump's first hundred days have been disastrous, undermining the rule of law and democracy, and benefiting the rich. The first speaker disagrees, stating that the first hundred days align with Trump's promises and what the American people voted for.

Speaker 0 states that labeling Donald Trump's plan as Project 2025 is not rhetoric, and claiming Trump started an insurrection is a fact. Speaker 1 argues that both examples are rhetoric and factually incorrect. Trump has stated he has nothing to do with Project 2025 and has never been charged with insurrection. Speaker 1 accuses Speaker 0 of spreading misinformation and expresses shame.

Speaker 0 questions why Australia was "whacked with a tariff" despite a free trade agreement and a trade surplus, especially considering their importance as a national security partner. Speaker 1 states they are addressing the $1.2 trillion deficit left by President Biden. They claim Australia bans US beef and pork and is preparing measures against US digital companies. Speaker 1 says there is a global tariff on everything. Speaker 0 argues that "whacking" both friends and foes undermines national security, insults Australia, and damages our partnership. Speaker 0 expresses concern about the lack of trust from friends and allies due to this policy, set to take effect at midnight.

Speaker 1 initially said "no more Trump" due to his January 6th conduct, but now says "yes" to Trump. Speaker 1 states that Biden-Harris policies are an existential threat to the country and its allies. Speaker 1 believes there are now many attacks on democracy that eclipse January 6th.

The discussion centers on the president's comments yesterday, referring to "Trump supporter as garbage." Speaker 0 asks two questions: "does he think less of Americans who support Trump than he does of those who do not?" and "why is he using that kind of rhetoric? How is that presidential?" Speaker 1 says: "So so a couple of things. Couple of things. So just to clarify, he was not calling Trump supporters garbage, which is why he put out this is why he wanted to make sure that we put out a statement that clarified what he meant and what he was trying to say."

Speaker 0 raises questions about what’s happening culturally in Europe, noting crackdowns on free speech and people looking less like us, and asks whether a massive shift in world alliances is occurring long term. Speaker 1 responds that there is definitely a new world order, with changes in trade, globalization, and the way we invest in our economy versus foreign supply chains. They say the president is willing to shake up old alliance structures, and that NATO is much different now because of the president’s leadership, whereas ten years ago it was effectively a protectorate of the United States of America. They mention Venezuela as an example and state that the president is putting a stamp on world history, but in an America-first way.

Speaker 0 states that Donald Trump's language about "poisoning the blood" echoes Hitler and suggests an affinity for eugenics. Speaker 0 claims Trump believes in genetic superiority and wants to "purge" immigrants, potentially harming them due to perceived "bad genes." Speaker 0 believes this isn't mere rhetoric and should be taken seriously. Speaker 2 objects to comparing Trump to Hitler, arguing Trump was referring to violent criminals who murdered Americans, citing studies on genetic predispositions to murder. Speaker 2 defends Trump's desire to deport violent, illegal immigrants to protect Americans and finds the Hitler comparison offensive. Speaker 0 insists Trump's words and past statements reveal a pattern, not short-term memory. Speaker 0 suggests Trump doesn't believe Kamala Harris has genes as good as his and asks if he will attempt to exterminate people.

Speaker 0: Question about the danger of a Trump presidency if reelected. Speaker 1: I think he poses a a near existential threat to the rule of law. He will do everything he can in a new term to try to tear down the institutions that he sees as threats and dismantle them and the people who occupy them, the apolitical people who occupy them. So there is a lot on the ballot in 2024 if he's a candidate, but the rule of law, in my view, is at the very top of the list. I'm gonna pull the whole thing down. I'm gonna bring the whole fucking diseased, corrupt temple down on your head. It's gonna be biblical.

The speaker watched a debate with Biden and thought he did not do well, claiming most of the world would agree. The speaker believes Biden was forced out in a coup and replaced with someone who was ranked number 13 online after failing to get the nomination. The speaker spent $150,000,000 to beat Biden and was leading when Biden was replaced. The speaker believes this has never happened before. The speaker thinks Biden hates the new person as much or more than he hates the speaker, which is hard to believe.

Speaker 0 claims most people in the country voted for Trump and that he won the popular vote. Speaker 1 disputes this, stating it was a slim majority of voters and that too few people voted. Speaker 0 says those who cared about issues voted for Trump to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse. Speaker 1 counters that lots of voters were purged from voter rolls before the election. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of election denial. Speaker 1 accuses the "narcissist in that building" of gaslighting.

The speaker asserts that the Trump administration was “the best administration I’ve ever seen,” noting it’s ten years after the Trump movement and Brexit, and that their side is in power. They express willingness for a long political run, saying they’d be happy if JD Vance could be president for eight years and Marco Rubio for another eight, with continued involvement. They remark that after Trump, the drumbeat of opposition began quickly, accusing him of starting World War III or being controlled, and they stress that those in government have different responsibilities from those in opposition. They ask how JD Vance can win the next election if the group outside has spent four years tearing each other apart. The speaker then addresses being Jewish within the NatCon movement. They state they’ve never done this before and are not particularly comfortable with it. They reflect that it was easy and great to be a leader in the nationalist movement and Jewish until about a year and a half ago, because whenever left-leaning Jews or others accused their speakers of antisemitism, the speaker could defend them, arguing people hadn’t spoken to the person, hadn’t read full statements, and were taking a sentence out of context. They found it fun and rewarding to defend against what they viewed as false, ridiculous antisemitism accusations, and it made them popular. Now, they say, it’s not that easy anymore. They acknowledge that criticism of Israel is fine as a policy discussion, but they’ve been struck by the “depth of the slander of Jews as a people” online over the last year and a half, and say they didn’t expect this on the right. They observe a transition among some on the right—people they once admired and still admire in part—who now believe that praising the Muslim Brotherhood, Islam, and the Quran is appropriate, and that Jews are a big problem. They express hope this will pass and call for reconsidering the relationship between Jews and Christians, proposing a mutual discussion and honor if possible, rather than a vile stream of accusations about Jews’ actions toward Christians in the Middle Ages. Finally, they stress that the coalition was built by Donald Trump and is broad enough to win the next election and future ones. They warn that driving coalition members out, dishonoring them, or keeping them dishonored will lead to loss: it would destroy Vance’s prospects, Rubio’s prospects, and America’s prospects. The speaker presents a choice: preserve the coalition or risk undermining it.

Speaker 0: I loathe Donald Trump. Speaker 0: Everything we care about is under siege by a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic president. Speaker 0: Donald Trump is a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, and a congenital liar. He's a racist, sexist, misogynistic, narcissist. Speaker 1: When Pritzker calls Trump antidemocratic and authoritarian, he's effectively calling more than 70,000,000 Americans the same thing. Speaker 0: Illinois Democrats have done more in the last five years to push back on the wave of authoritarian, antidemocratic, MAGA Republican nonsense than in any other place in the country. Speaker 1: Not even an assassination attempt has tempered governor Pritzker. Speaker 0: I am very pleased that he remains relatively unharmed, but it's still true that Donald Trump is a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, has been a, congenital liar, and is unfit for the office of president of The United States. Speaker 1: Pritzker's vitriol has become extreme.