Dennis Meadows, a member of the Key Club of Rome, believes that the planet can only sustain a population of one to two billion people, depending on the level of liberty and material consumption. He suggests that reducing the population is necessary for more liberty and consumption, but emphasizes the importance of achieving this in a civil manner.
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Key Club of Rome member, Dennis Meadows, hopes the "necessary" depopulation of the planet, down to one billionā€”an 87.5% reduction from todayā€™s populationā€”can "occur in a civil way".
"The planet can support something like a billion people, maybe two billion, depending on how much liberty and how much material consumption you want to have."
"If you want more liberty, and more consumption, you have to have fewer people. And conversely, you can have more people. I mean, we could even have eight or nine billion, probably if we have a very strong dictatorship."
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Globally, our population and consumption levels are unsustainable for the planet. I anticipate a decline, but I hope it happens peacefully. Peace doesn't mean everyone will be happy, but conflicts should be resolved without violence. The planet can support around 1 to 2 billion people, depending on the level of liberty and material consumption. If we want more freedom and consumption, we need fewer people. Ideally, we should aim for a slow and equal decline to around 1 billion people. This way, everyone shares the experience and avoids a few wealthy individuals imposing their will on others. These hopes may seem pessimistic, but that's what lies ahead.
Speaker 0: In one way or another, we are so far globally, we are so far above the population and the consumption levels, which can be supported by this planet, that I know in one way or another it's going to come back down. So I don't hope to avoid that. I hope that it can occur in a a civil way. And I mean civil in a in a special way. Peaceful.
Peace doesn't mean that everybody's happy, but it means that conflict isn't solved through violence, through through force, but rather in other ways. And so that's what I hope for, that we can I mean, The planet can support something like a 1000000000 people, maybe 2,000,000,000, depending on how much liberty and how much material consumption you want to have? If If you want more liberty and more consumption, you have to have fewer people. And conversely, you can have more people. I mean, we could even have 8 or 9,000,000,000 probably if we have a very strong dictatorship, which is smart.
Unfortunately, you never have smart dictatorships, they're always stupid. So, but if you had a smart dictatorship and a low standard of living, you can have a, but But we want to have freedom and we want to have a high sense, so we're going to have a 1000000000 people. And we're now at 7, so we have to get back down. I hope that this can be slow, relatively slow, and that it can be done in a way which is relatively equal, you know, so that people share, the experience and you don't have a few rich, you know, trying to force everybody else to to deal with it. So those are my hopes.
I mean, these are pretty pessimistic hopes, you know. But, I mean, that's that's what lies ahead.
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