Ian asks Mays about how they became involved with the group they’ve been observing in social media spaces: whether it happened early in their social media journey, after getting a page, how they were approached, what drew them in, and what ultimately led them to walk away if they did.
Mays thanks Ian for research and notes that the group’s approach aligned with their interest in how feedback loops can become predictive, leading people to participate and give up autonomy. They say NAG has been present in their spaces as a listener and that trusted friends joined as well; Mays says they were the last to join. They describe NAG’s main pitch as launching a fact-based, opinion-free platform to build a network of people before a product launch, so participants would already have a customer base. Mays says NAG’s message was that it was not politically tied to left or right and aimed to represent the full spectrum. They add that the platform, “the inflow daily,” is described as launching around July 4 of next year, 2026, delivering news in an “04:00 in the morning” style inspired by traditional morning delivery.
Mays says the father and son behind the effort meet the people they hire, traveling to where they are and going out to eat to talk, and that this made them feel it “makes sense.” They state their condition from the beginning: no steering of narratives and no censoring of their speech. Mays says NAG indicated they want people from all over.
They further explain that in every space NAG ran, they asked open questions including “who are you funded by?” Mays says they looked at the site but did not know at first that the group was bought by “Avenja, the q and whatever company,” later asking about an AI company they could not initially recall. Another attendee clarifies the name as “Kinship.” Mays says NAG described how the news inflow daily platform would use this to maintain “opinion free” and “fact based” content, and that they did not research deeper than that at the time.
Mays says NAG also publicly told people from day one that they were funding it themselves, describing the founders’ background in real estate and that the venture was something one of them is passionate about. They add that the funding questions kept coming up in spaces, and NAG kept answering with self-funding and personal motivation, which contributed to Mays’s uncertainty after the earlier explanation about Kinship.
Speaker 0: To be contacted with or in coordination with these types of groups. And, we we are aware that that there's a couple individuals that have been in spaces with us regularly, two of which are up here. So I'm gonna be very curious for what that experience was like. And and, Mays, you know, just to to throw the microphone over to you, we've done a lot of spaces, and I'd be curious, you know, at at what point along your journey in this thing that is social media did you get entangled with this group? Was it very early on?
Was it once you had a page? What was the approach? You know, they come up to you in a proverbial digital bar. Like, how did this all go down? And and what was either the thing that you started with to get involved, or or what ultimately made you walk away if if you eventually did?
Speaker 1: Thanks, Ian. Well, first, I just wanna shout out, sir Eskinar, and just I just wanna let you know how much I really appreciate the time, the effort, the passion that you put into your research and for laying it out as well as you did. And, you know, just kind of even the psychological, spiritual. There's there's a lot of elements to this that's kind of feeding this beast system that you kinda connected. I mean, because it's ironically let me just tell you how fucking ironic this is.
Like, my area that I'm, like, really passionate about is kinda talking about how this feedback loop is, you know, kind of it's it's essentially becoming this very predictive I mean, my my key, like, phrase is, like, it is going to extend an invite to you in a way that's attractive because it knows you so well, and you're going to participate in the game. And so that's how you kind of end up giving up your rules. Like, you know, like or your free will is just to like, if you play checkers, you're gonna play by the rules. So, like, you're you know? Anyway, the way that he he laid it out was just very, specifically for me and what it is that I, you know, researched.
It was it was extremely compelling. And, anyway so I want and to Observer and everybody that helps and whatnot. And, also, you know, when it comes to NAG, like, they they were, you know, in my spaces as, like, a as a, like, listener and, you know, every once in a while came up. And then I saw, you know, friends of mine that I trust that, you know, also joined. I was the very last one that joined, but and it was like you know, I mean, the the main thing that they always pushed was just basically, like, they're, you know, launching a, you know, like, kind of a a fact based opinion free type of this is what they were saying that the the whole point of NAG was was to be able to kind of get a network of people prior to their product launch so that they would already have a customer base.
But it was, you know, it was not politically tied, like, to left or right, and it wasn't necessarily, like, you know, kind of pushing any agenda. It wanted to represent the full spectrum that's out there because their news, the inflow daily, what they're launching is supposed to be July 4 or on next year, 2026. You know, essentially, it would be like this at 04:00 in the morning to kinda like the old days, the traditional type of news where you pay 50¢, if you will, and you get, you know, kind of the news delivered to you. And so but it was supposed to be, I guess, the whole I guess, what they wanted to be, I guess, set them apart would be that it'd be completely opinion free and not leaning towards either side. So that was what their, you know, I guess, motto or values or whatever was just really not being full of opinions and not and, also, they were they were, you know, kinda saying that you know?
I mean so this is another thing. So the the both of them, the father and son, they came and they meet everyone that they hire. So they come and travel to wherever you are, and you go out to eat and you talk and, like so I you know, you get to meet them, and they just they seem like, okay. Well, that, you know, makes sense. And, I mean, my main thing was that I had I guess, my my condition from the beginning was that as long as there's absolutely no steering of narratives or trying to censor my speech, I mean, because you guys see, like, I mean, I'm literally I mean, you know, I do I like, I've never wavered on that, and that's that's one of my biggest conditions that I had with them, and that they were like, that's I mean, we want people from all over.
And so mind you, you know, Coyote and I and, you know, all the spaces that we did, even with you, Ian. Remember? With the spotlight, like, you came in there, and, you know, it was just really, in an essence, to, like, fire stay with, you know, because the spotlight was sponsored by NAG. And so, anyway, that being said, that was the you know, in a nutshell, I don't know if if I covered it or if there's any area that you have any questions about or whatever you can ask, but it was kind of just under the notion that we were helping them get their base as an audience for opinion free, more, like, fact based type of news in the future.
Speaker 2: I I could I elaborate a little bit. It's and that's the thing, man. It's just like, does that sound bad? No. I mean, the the spotlight was cool.
Thought we had a good show with Ian and all that bad.
Speaker 1: One more thing. Sorry. I'll get it right back to you. And another thing that we asked in every single space that they had that was, like, kind of open questions was, like, who are you funded by? And I did go look at their site, and I do have my little, like, bit of research, but I did not know that they were bought by Avenja, the q and whatever company.
But when I the like, when I asked about the q what's it called? How do you pronounce it? The q Quintel or something like something like that. The the AI company. What is
Speaker 2: it? Kinship.
Speaker 1: Kinship. They were saying that their that the news inflow daily platform was going to be, how they were gonna be able to get the opinion free fact based was kind of using that. And so I didn't you know? And this is where I fucked up because I and I should know better, and I and I should've, like, dove deeper into that and not just kinda settled there, which I did, and I shouldn't have done that. But in my mind, that kinda made sense.
I'm like, oh, okay. So that's because how are you gonna even get fact based news? You know? So, anyway, that was just one of the other things I wanted to highlight is that they made it very clear from day one, not only to me, this is very public, that, like, they were funding it themselves. And we asked and I mean, people were asking in all of those spaces, like, who's funding?
Where's the funding coming from? And they just kept saying that, you know, we used to be into real estate. I decided to take this venture. This is something I'm passionate about. And and so, you know, that's why a lot of the stuff that you presented today was just like that's why I was asking, like, wait.
What? They're they're funded by you know? Anyway, so I just wanna add that. Sorry, Katie. Go ahead.