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The piece argues that beyond the well-publicized lists of guests, flight logs, and visitor records, there exists a second, less examined list: the proposals circulating in Epstein’s files. It explains that Epstein funded the Edge Foundation, an intellectual salon that hosted influential scientists and tech leaders, and used it as a gateway to identify talent for private, off-books work. The article asserts that Edge was a talent show, while the real operation happened elsewhere, via private dinners and discreet venues such as jets, islands, or ranches that allowed discussions outside institutional oversight. Among the emails in the three million files are explicit project pitches rather than grant applications. August 2018 features a Bitcoin developer proposing “garage biology” to create the first human designer baby and possibly a human clone within five years, detailing mouse testing in Ukraine and anonymous, life-long branding concerns. December 2018 includes Harvard evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers discussing hormone interventions in children, aiming to block testosterone receptors and increase estrogen, with notes about identifying “trans tendencies” in children as young as three. December 2015 mentions designing a pig with non-cloven hooves to yield kosher bacon. The text stresses these discussions are not academic debates but project updates funded by Epstein, with incentives to keep participants quiet. The narrative situates these proposals within a broader pattern: a decentralized, offshore network of expertise and funding that operates with little domestic oversight, using jurisdictions that do not ask questions. It invokes a historical parallel to Operation Paperclip and the existence of a private, parallel advisory class akin to JASON, suggesting a long-standing capability to fund and shield sensitive, controversial science. The piece concludes that the “other list” comprises the feasibility discussions and location scouting for off-record research, representing the core infrastructure behind the headlines.

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The Other List

Why Epstein was funding experiments, not just collecting names


Everyone’s looking at the wrong list.

The flight logs. The visitor records. The names that confirm what people suspected for years about certain islands and certain planes and certain parties where the guest list was curated for maximum leverage.

That’s what everyone’s combing through.

But there’s another list. It’s in the same three" target="_blank">https://www.justice.gov/epstein">three million files. It’s not hidden. It’s just less interesting to people who came looking for scandal.

The proposals.

The Edge" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20140413143624/http://server1.edge.org/memberbio/jeffrey_epstein">Edge Foundation was John Brockman’s intellectual salon. Annual gatherings of the world’s most influential scientific minds. Dinner parties where Nobel laureates met tech billionaires. Richard Dawkins. Lawrence Krauss. Steven Pinker. A contact sheet for people who shape the future without ever running for office.

Epstein funded" target="_blank">https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-john-brockman-edge-foundation">funded Edge. But Edge wasn’t the operation.

Edge was the talent show.

You host dinners. You watch who’s brilliant. You note who’s ambitious, who’s frustrated by institutional constraints, who talks about what they’d do if funding weren’t an issue. Then you invite the interesting ones somewhere more private.

A jet. An island. A ranch in New Mexico.

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The emails in the new files aren’t dinner invitations. They’re pitches.

August" target="_blank">https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01003966.pdf">August 2018. A Bitcoin developer named Bryan Bishop writes to Epstein about “garage biology”. His plan to create the first human designer baby and possibly a human clone within five years. He outlines mouse testing at a lab in Ukraine, amateur human sperm work in Mississippi. He asks for one to three million dollars. He notes that once the first birth happens, “everything changes and the world will never be the same.”

Bishop discusses secrecy requirements. Anonymity about the babies would be essential. Identifying them publicly “would brand the child as a freak for life in the media.”

This wasn’t a grant application to the NIH.

December" target="_blank">https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01013384.pdf">December 2018. Robert Trivers, Harvard evolutionary biologist, writes to Epstein about hormone intervention in children. The subject line is “Trans.” The email discusses blocking testosterone receptors, increasing estrogen production. Trivers notes they’re “pushing the intervention earlier” and mentions identifying “trans tendencies” in children as young as three years old.

“I would be frightened to do that,” Trivers writes. “But who knows?”

December 2015. Epstein emails about designing a pig with non-cloven hoofs to make kosher bacon. Gene editing as intellectual amusement.

These aren’t academic discussions. They’re project updates sent to a man with funding, facilities, and reasons to keep everyone quiet.

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The pattern emerges when you stop looking for the salacious details.

Wine and dine to identify the talent. Private invitations sorted who was willing to work outside institutional oversight. The islands and ranches and jets provided venues where proposals could be discussed without record. And the compromising situations that happened in those venues, the ones everyone’s reading about now, those weren’t the product.

They were the insurance policy.

You don’t fund off-books research with people who can walk away.

There’s a body called JASON." target="_blank">https://grokipedia.com/page/JASON_(advisory_group)">JASON. Founded in 1960. Thirty-odd scientists, mostly physicists, who advise the Department of Defense on technical matters too complex for generals to evaluate. Nuclear policy. Missile defense. Cybersecurity doctrine.

Freeman Dyson was a founding member. The physicist who imagined structures" target="_blank">https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Dyson_sphere">structures around stars to harvest infinite energy. Ideas that echo in Elon’s push for multi-planetary expansion.

He attended Edge dinners. He met with Epstein.

The advisory class has always existed. Scientists who brief presidents and then go back to their labs. What the files reveal is a parallel structure. A private JASON. One that worked on projects the official version couldn’t touch, funded by money that didn’t require disclosure, located in jurisdictions that didn’t ask questions.

Ukraine. New Mexico. The Caribbean.

In 1945, the United States imported sixteen hundred German scientists under Operation" target="_blank">https://grokipedia.com/page/Operation_Paperclip">Operation Paperclip. Rocket engineers. Chemists. Physicians who had conducted experiments in camps. Their expertise was deemed more valuable than their history.

Wolfgang Weyers documented what those scientists did in The" target="_blank">https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC261831/">The Abuse of Man, a history of human experimentation that most medical schools don’t teach. I’ve got a copy on my desk. Over the next few months I’ll be working through it chapter by chapter. The pattern of moving expertise offshore when domestic oversight becomes inconvenient isn’t new.

What's new is the network.

Decentralized, deniable, distributed across jurisdictions that don't ask questions.

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Bill Clinton once said there’s a government inside the government, and I don’t control it.

He wasn’t talking about the Deep State the way the media frames it. He was talking about capability that exists outside oversight. People who can fund things that can’t be funded, build things that can’t be authorized, work in places that don’t enforce rules.

The sex is what people will look at. It generates headlines. And it happened.

But the science is what matters. Designer babies. Human cloning. Pediatric hormone experiments. Gene editing. Projects proposed in emails to a financier who had the network to find the talent, the money to fund the work, and the leverage to ensure no one talked.

Three million files dropped. The public is scanning for names. Confirming suspicions about islands and parties.

Look at the emails between scientists and their funder. The feasibility discussions. The location scouting for labs that don’t answer to anyone.

That’s the other list.

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The piece weaves a conspiratorial history of Antarctica, tying a long-running diplomatic freeze to hidden power struggles, classified technologies, and a force beyond conventional nations. It centers on a recurring argument: the Antarctic Treaty, renewed in 2041, is not merely a diplomatic agreement but a practical boundary that restrains all powers from enforcing claims or waging military action on the continent. The narrative contends this treaty has operated for sixty-five years with perfect compliance, because something beneath the ice commands a higher authority that humanity, despite its rivalries, recognizes. Key historical anchors are used to build the case. Operation High Jump, the large post–World War II U.S. Antarctic expedition led by the Navy with thousands of personnel, allegedly returned after eight weeks with unexplained discoveries—craft that moved in ways beyond known technology. The account ties these events to Admiral Richard Byrd, a famed polar explorer who reportedly spoke of a strategic, high-speed aerial capability and of Antarctica’s untapped riches, and to Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal, who allegedly witnessed recoveries from New Mexico and later died after a controversial hospitalization and investigation. Forrestal’s death is presented as a possible assassination or cover-up rather than suicide, framed as part of a broader system designed to suppress unsettling truths. The story extends to the Falklands War (1982) and the ensuing death wave of defense contractors’ researchers, claimed to be connected to classified projects linked to what was found off Antarctica, suggesting a deliberate attempt to keep dangerous knowledge from public view. It further implicates the IceCube Neutrino Observatory at the South Pole, operated by Raytheon, arguing that its real power demands and hidden equipment imply a concealed, higher-level program operating under the guise of a passive scientific installation. The article argues that the 1959 treaty’s stability arises because all major powers, including the United States, Soviet Union/Russia, China, and others, have tacitly accepted a mutual boundary that prevents a geopolitical scramble for whatever lies under or beyond the ice. It states that the treaty is a condition humanity accepted, not a decision sovereign nations freely made, and that the door to deeper secrets will be tested as the renewal looms in 2041. The closing note promotes a related work about the same topic, positioning the narrative as a broader case about governance, jurisdiction, and the limits of public knowledge.

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They Came Back in Eight Weeks

What happened in Antarctica that made every nation fall in line


The Antarctic Treaty expires in 2041. Fifteen years from now. Three presidential terms. Whoever takes the oath that January inherits whatever has been frozen in place since 1959.

General George S. Patton was killed in December 1945. A low-speed car accident in occupied Germany, a truck pulling out in front of his Cadillac on an empty road. He’d survived the entire war. Then, twelve days before Christmas, a broken neck from a fender-bender.

Patton had been saying things. The wrong enemy. The real threat. The war reframed before the bodies were cold. He wanted to keep going east, and certain people needed him to stop talking.

Six weeks after they buried him, the Navy launched Operation" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Highjump">Operation High Jump.

The scale was unprecedented. 4,700 men. Thirteen ships including an aircraft carrier. Twenty-three aircraft. The largest Antarctic expedition ever mounted, larger than many naval combat operations. Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal went personally.

You don’t send the Secretary to the bottom of the world to count penguins.

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Admiral" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd">Admiral Richard Byrd was America’s most celebrated polar explorer.

First to fly over both poles. A national hero in the truest sense. Before High Jump departed, he gave an interview to a Chilean newspaper. He said the next war would be fought by aircraft that could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds. Antarctica, he said, was part of a strategic picture the American public didn’t understand.

The expedition was scheduled for six to eight months. Standard polar protocol. You go in the summer, stay through the long light, do your work, come back before winter locks you in.

They came back in eight weeks.

No explanation. The Navy said the mission objectives had been completed ahead of schedule. Byrd said nothing publicly. But the official record shows that the expedition encountered something they weren’t prepared for.

What happened during those eight weeks has never been fully disclosed. The rumor that persisted through military channels was that Byrd’s forces encountered craft that moved in ways American technology couldn’t explain. Disc-shaped. Fast. Not German, because the German scientists were already working for us. Not Russian, because we knew what the Russians had.

Something else.

Four months later, something came down near Roswell.

Byrd lived. He did a TV interview in 1954 on Longines" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrdSal9uH28">Longines Chronoscope, sitting in a studio, talking calmly about Antarctica’s untapped riches. Vast mineral wealth. Enough coal to fuel the world for centuries. He spoke openly, confidently, like a man describing a real estate opportunity.

Nobody came for him. He died in his bed in 1957.

Forrestal was different.

He’d been on the ice with Byrd. He’d seen whatever it was that made them leave early. He was one of the first officials to view what was recovered in New" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident">New Mexico. He didn’t just sign off on the missions. He saw what they brought back. He understood the implications in a way that Byrd, the explorer, never had to.

Byrd saw terrain. Forrestal saw a problem that couldn’t be solved.

1949

By 1949, he was coming apart. The official diagnosis was “nervous exhaustion,” which was the polite term they used back then. He was talking about forces the American public couldn’t comprehend. About infiltration at the highest levels. About an enemy that operated outside the normal categories of nation-states.

They said he was paranoid. They put him in Bethesda Naval Hospital. Sixteenth floor. For his own protection, they said.

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The official story is that James Forrestal committed suicide by jumping from his hospital window in the early morning hours of May 22, 1949.

But the details don’t add up.

He was under constant observation. Suicide watch. Yet somehow, in the middle of the night, he gained access to an unsecured window in a room that wasn’t his. The cord from his bathrobe was found tied to a radiator, broken.

Here’s what the Warren Commission-style investigation never explained:

Forrestal didn’t use the cord to hang himself. He tore through it. The bathrobe was ripped. The cord was broken at the knot, not from his weight, but from being pulled apart.

He refused to be found in bed with a stopped heart. Another quiet file closed. He made a mess on purpose, because messes ask questions. They found that transcription of Sophocles on his desk, the chorus from Ajax about the nightingale. A" target="_blank">https://ekolovesyou.com/p/the-ones-who-walk-toward-the-mountains">A man who couldn’t sing in his cage.

Forrestal turned himself into a question that couldn’t be answered by calling it suicide. And questions, he knew, last longer than the men who ask them.

1959

Twelve years between Operation High Jump and the Antarctic Treaty. Twelve years isn’t bureaucracy. Twelve years is a negotiation that couldn’t be resolved through normal channels.

The Soviet Union had captured German records from the war. Whatever the Reich had been doing at the South Pole, the Soviets knew about it. Stalin claimed territorial rights based on Russian expeditions in the 1800s, a legal argument that would normally be laughed out of any room. Instead, the U.S. Secretary of State resigned. Argentina and France backed the Soviet position. America lost leverage in ways the historical record doesn’t fully explain.

The 1959 Antarctic Treaty wasn’t a victory for anyone. It was a truce.

No military activity. No nuclear testing. No territorial claims enforced. Scientific research only. And every signatory nation agreed to let inspectors from any other signatory nation visit their facilities at any time.

Think about that. At the height of the Cold War, the Soviet Union and the United States agreed to let each other inspect their Antarctic bases without advance notice. The same two powers that couldn’t agree on anything else, that were pointing nuclear missiles at each other’s cities, that were fighting proxy wars on four continents, agreed to total transparency in Antarctica.

Why?

Because both sides had seen what was there. And both sides knew that compared to what was under the ice, their differences with each other didn’t matter.

The treaty has been in force for sixty-five years. Perfect compliance. Zero violations.

Not one. Not from superpowers with thousands of nuclear warheads. Not from rogue states that ignore every other international agreement. Not from corporations that would drill through their grandmother’s grave for oil. Not from nations that have broken every other treaty ever signed.

This one holds.

Every other international agreement has been violated, reinterpreted, withdrawn from, or ignored when convenient. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty has been broken repeatedly. The Geneva Conventions are treated as suggestions. Climate accords collapse. Trade agreements get renegotiated. Borders get redrawn by force.

The Antarctic Treaty holds.

Ask yourself what could make every nation on earth obey the same rule for sixty-five years straight. What could make enemies agree. What could make greed take a back seat to compliance.

The answer isn’t diplomacy.

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1982

In 1982, Britain and Argentina went" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War">went to war over the Falkland Islands.

On paper, it makes no sense. A few rocks in the South Atlantic. No oil reserves known at the time. No strategic value in any conventional military sense. Population of fewer than two thousand people. The British had to send a naval task force eight thousand miles to fight for sheep pastures.

The official explanation is national pride. Argentina’s junta, distracting from collapse. Thatcher, needing a boost in the polls.

But the Falklands are the gateway to the Antarctic Peninsula. Whatever you’re bringing out of Antarctica, or into it, passes through those waters.

After the war, something strange started happening at Marconi, the British defense contractor. Their scientists began dying.

Between 1982 and 1988, twenty-two Marconi" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi_Company">Marconi employees working on classified electronics projects died under unusual circumstances. Suicides by methods that defied belief. Accidents that didn’t add up. One man tied a rope around his neck and the other end to a tree, then drove his car forward. One drowned in his backyard pond. One walked in front of a truck. One was found in his car with a hose from the exhaust, in a garage he’d never used before.

All ruled natural or self-inflicted. Twenty-two scientists in six years, all working on classified projects, all connected to what the Falklands War had really been about.

The Falklands weren’t about territory. They were about custody. And whatever was recovered from those cold waters, certain people didn’t want it talked about.

The" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/23/mainsection.tomphillips">The families who understood what was recovered started buying land in Paraguay. Ask yourself why.

There’s a facility at the South Pole called the IceCube" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Neutrino_Observatory">IceCube Neutrino Observatory. The official description says it’s a passive scientific instrument designed to detect neutrinos, subatomic particles that pass through ordinary matter without interaction.

5,160 sensors are buried a mile deep in the Antarctic ice. The strings of detectors extend down into the darkness, watching for the faint blue flash that happens when a neutrino occasionally strikes an atomic nucleus.

Raytheon" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon">Raytheon operates it. The same defense contractor that builds missile defense systems and directed energy weapons. The same company that runs logistics for multiple Antarctic stations. The same company that employs men who sign security clearances and don’t talk about what they’ve seen.

The power requirements don’t add up. The official South Pole station has declared generator capacity for the personnel who live there and their scientific equipment. IceCube supposedly runs on the same grid. But the facility’s actual power draw exceeds what passive optical sensors should require by orders of magnitude.

Contractors who’ve worked there talk about it. Some of them have gone on record. They describe infrastructure that doesn’t match the official mission profile. Equipment that doesn’t appear in any published inventory. Power consumption that can’t be explained by watching for faint blue flashes.

The pattern is familiar: a classified facility hidden inside an unclassified one. A cover story that explains enough to satisfy the curious but not enough to explain what’s actually happening. And a defense contractor running the show, the same way they’ve run it since High Jump.

The frame that makes sense of Antarctica isn’t aliens landing in silver ships. That’s the story they want you to chase, because it’s easy to ridicule and impossible to prove.

It’s not hollow earth, either. That’s another distraction, another rabbit hole that leads nowhere useful.

The frame that fits the evidence is jurisdiction.

This planet has boundaries that predate the nations on it. Lines that were drawn before humans had maps. The ice marks one of them. Everyone who matters figured this out a long time ago, and they agreed to stay on their side of the fence.

The Antarctic Treaty isn’t really an agreement between nations. It’s compliance with an existing rule. When every power on earth, including powers that have spent the last century trying to destroy each other, agrees to stay behind the same line for sixty-five years, that’s not politics. That’s everyone reading the same sign and deciding to obey it.

Whatever is under the ice, or beyond it, or watching from it, has authority that human governments recognize even if they don’t acknowledge it publicly. The treaty isn’t a decision we made. It’s a condition we accepted.

2016

John" target="_blank">https://2009-2017.state.gov/secretary/travel/2016/t32/index.htm">John Kerry went to Antarctica in November 2016, days after the American election. The official reason was climate research. He was photographed looking at glaciers, talking about ice loss, doing the things that diplomats do when they want to seem concerned about the environment.

But Kerry wasn’t a climate scientist. He was the Secretary of State. And he went to Antarctica during the most sensitive political transition in modern American history, when the Obama administration was scrambling to respond to an outcome they hadn’t expected.

What was so urgent that it couldn’t wait for the new administration?

Kerry talked publicly about the 2041 treaty renewal. He said different countries were beating on the door. Wanting in. That phrase stuck. Wanting in.

China is building bases on the ice. Russia is reasserting territorial claims that the treaty was supposed to freeze. The consensus that held through the Cold War is breaking down. The generation of leaders who understood the original arrangement is dying. Their successors don’t have the same fear, because they never saw what made their predecessors afraid.

The door has been sealed since 1959. Sixty-five years of everyone agreeing to leave it alone.

Someone is going to test the lock. And whoever’s on the other side of it will have something to say about that.

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2041

Forrestal saw this coming. He understood that the arrangement wouldn’t hold forever. That the secret was too big for any structure to contain indefinitely. He turned himself into a question because questions last longer than answers. Messes outlast clean files.

Kennedy saw it too. Whatever he learned during his years in intelligence, whatever he discovered when he started digging into the apparatus his own government had built, he decided to break it open. He talked about secrecy being repugnant in a free society. He moved to strip power from the intelligence agencies. He reached out to Khrushchev about sharing space, about ending the Cold War charade that kept both populations in fear.

They killed him in daylight because he wouldn’t die in the dark. The message was clear to anyone who understood it: this is what happens to presidents who try to open doors that are supposed to stay closed.

Those who see too much and talk about it die strangely. Those who see and stay quiet get to live out their years. Byrd talked about riches and opportunities, and they let him do his television interviews. Forrestal talked about forces beyond comprehension, and he went out a window.

The men who made the original deal are dead now. Forrestal, Byrd, the generals who saw what was in those hangars, the scientists who were brought in to study what couldn’t be explained, they’re all gone. Their successors are dying. The men who were briefed in the 1970s and 1980s are in their final years.

The walls between compartments are thinning. Too many people have been read into too many programs. The secret has been kept by a structure, and structures decay. What happens when the last people who understood the full picture are gone?

Fifteen years until the treaty comes up for renewal. Three more presidents from now. Whoever takes that oath inherits the question of what to do when the arrangement expires.

The ice has been patient for a long time. It can wait another fifteen years.

But the people who want what’s underneath it are getting impatient. And the door that’s been sealed since 1959 is starting to rattle.

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Thank you for the warm welcome back to Davos. Just days into my presidency, we are embarking on a new era for America, addressing economic chaos and reversing previous administration policies. My administration is focused on combating inflation, reducing regulations, and promoting energy independence. We aim to attract businesses to manufacture in the U.S. with significant tax cuts and incentives. I am committed to restoring law and order, protecting free speech, and ensuring a merit-based society. Internationally, we seek to strengthen alliances, increase NATO defense spending, and work towards peace in Ukraine. Our goal is to create jobs, enhance economic growth, and ensure America is once again a leader on the global stage. Thank you for your support, and I look forward to engaging with you all.
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Speaker 0: Hello. Speaker 1: What great honor what great honor and pleasure to welcome you back to the Davos community. Just 4 days into your new mandate, we highly appreciate your presence with us today. We wish you all the best as you take on your critical work ahead. The global challenges we face today are monumental. The importance of American leadership and your personal leadership in this regard is fundamental and paramount. We are here to hear your vision and policies related to revitalizing the economy and addressing the global challenges. As you might expect, mister president, your return to office and your forthcoming policies have been at the focus of our discussions this week. So discussions among 3,000 political and business leaders from over a 130 countries who came together here in Davos. We look forward hearing first from you and sent to the follow-up discussion with business leaders moderated by my colleague, Sergey Brinde. Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the United States, Donald j Speaker 2: Trump. Speaker 0: Well, thank you very much, Klaus, and hello to everyone in beautiful Davos. This has been a truly historic week in the United States. 3 days ago, I took the oath of office, and we began the golden age of America. The recent presidential was won by millions of votes and all 7, every one of them, all 7 swing states. It was a massive mandate from the American people like hasn't been seen in many years. And some of the political pundits, even some of my so called enemies, said it was the most consequential election victory in a 129 years. That's quite nice. What the world has witnessed for the past 72 hours is nothing less than a revolution of common sense. Our country will soon be stronger, wealthier, and more united than ever before, and the entire planet will be more peaceful and prosperous as a result of this incredible momentum and what we're doing and going to do. My administration is acting with unprecedented speed to fix the disasters we've inherited from a totally inept group of people and to solve every single crisis facing our country. This begins with confronting the economic chaos caused by the failed policies of the last administration. Over the past 4 years, our government racked up $8,000,000,000,000 in wasteful deficit spending and inflicted nation wrecking energy restrictions, crippling regulations, and hidden taxes like never before. The result is the worst inflation crisis in modern history and sky high interest rates for our citizens and even throughout the world. Food prices and the price of almost every other thing known to mankind went through the roof. President Biden totally lost control of what was going on in our country, but in particular with our high inflation economy and at our border. Because of these ruinous policies, total government spending this year is $1,500,000,000,000 higher than was projected to occur when I left office just 4 years ago. Likewise, the cost of servicing the debt is more than 230% higher than was projected in 2020. The inflation rate we are inheriting remains 50% higher than the historic target. It was the highest inflation probably in the history of our country. That's why from the moment I took office, I've taken rapid action to reverse each and every one of these radical left policies that created this calamity, in particular with immigration, crime, and inflation. On day 1, I signed an executive order directing every member of my cabinet to marshal all powers at their disposal to defeat inflation and reduce the cost of daily life. I imposed a federal hiring freeze, a federal regulation freeze, a foreign aid freeze, and I created the new Department of Government Efficiency. I terminated the ridiculous and incredibly wasteful Green New Deal. I call it the Green New Scam. Withdrew from the one-sided Paris climate accord and ended the insane and costly electric vehicle mandate. We're gonna let people buy the car they wanna buy. I declared a a national energy emergency, and it's so important. National energy emergency to unlock the liquid gold under our feet and pave the way for rapid approvals of new energy infrastructure. The United States has the largest amount of oil and gas of any country on Earth, and we're going to use it. Not only will this reduce the cost of virtually all goods and services, it'll make the United States a manufacturing superpower and the world capital of artificial intelligence and crypto. My administration has also begun the largest deregulation campaign in history, far exceeding even the record setting efforts of my last term. In total, the Biden administration imposed $50,000 in additional regulatory costs on the average American household over the last 4 years. I have promised to eliminate 10 old regulations for every new regulation, which will soon put many 1,000 of dollars back in the pockets of American families. To further unleash our economy, our majorities in the house and senate, which we also took along with the presidency, are going to pass the largest tax cut in American history, including massive tax cuts for workers and family and big tax cuts for domestic producers and manufacturers. And we're working with the Democrats on getting an extension of the original Trump tax cuts as you probably know by just reading any paper. My message to every business in the world is very simple. Come make your product in America, and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on earth. We're bringing them down very substantially even from the original Trump tax cuts. But if you don't make your product in America, which is your prerogative, then very simply, you will have to pay a tariff, differing amounts, but a tariff which will direct 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars and even 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars into our treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down debt. Under the Trump administration, there will be no better place on Earth to create jobs, build factories, or grow a company than right here in the good old USA. Already, Americans, economic you can see this, I think, maybe even in your in your wonderful, wonderful room that you're all gathered together, so many of my friends. But Americans, the economic confidence is soaring like we haven't seen in many, many decades. Maybe not at all. Upon my election, it was just announced as small business optimism skyrocketed by 41 points in a single month. That's the highest ever. There's never been anything like that. SoftBank has announced between a $102,100,000,000,000 investment in the US economy because of Speaker 1: the election result. And just 2 days ago, Oracle, SoftBank, and OpenAI announced a $500,000,000,000 investment in AI infrastructure. Other companies, likewise, have announced 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 adding up the trillions of, investment in America Speaker 0: and the United States. And it's also reported today in the papers that, Saudi Arabia will be investing at least $600,000,000,000 in America, but I'll be asking the crown prince who's a fantastic guy to round it out to around 1,000,000,000,000. I think they'll do that because we've been very good to them. And I'm also going to ask Saudi Arabia and OPEC to bring down the cost of oil. You gotta bring it down, which frankly, I'm surprised they didn't do before the election. That didn't show a lot of love by them not doing it. I was a little surprised by that. If the price came down, the Russia Ukraine war would end immediately. Right now, the price is high enough that that war will continue. You gotta bring down the oil price. You're gonna end that war. They should have done it long ago. They're very responsible, actually, to a certain extent for what's taking place. Millions of lives are being lost. With oil prices going down, I'll demand that interest rates drop immediately. And, likewise, they should be dropping all over the world. Interest rates should follow us. All over the progress that you're seeing is happening because of our historic victory in a recent presidential election, one that has become quite well known throughout the world. I think a lot of things are happening to a lot of countries. They say that there's light shining all over the world since the election, and even countries that we aren't particularly friendly with, are happy because they understand what there is a future and then how great the future will be under our leadership. America is back and open for business. And this week, I'm also taking swift action to stop the invasion at our southern border. They allowed people to come in at levels that nobody's ever seen before. It was ridiculous. I decided a and declared to dis to, to do. And very, very importantly, a national emergency on our border immediately halted all entry of illegal border crossers, of which there were many, and began properly returning the illegal trespassers back to the place from which they came. That action, as you've probably seen, has already started very strongly. I've deployed active duty US military and national guard troops to the border to assist in repelling the invasion. It was really an invasion. We will not allow our territory to be violated. After 4 long years, the United States is strong and sovereign and a beautiful nation once again. It's a strong sovereign nation. In addition, I'm pleased to report that America is also a free nation once again. On day 1, I signed an executive order to stop all government censorship. No longer will our government label the speech of our own citizens as misinformation or disinformation, which are the favorite words of censors and those who wish to stop the free exchange of ideas and, frankly, progress. We have saved free speech in America, and we've saved it strongly. With another historic executive order this week, I also ended the weaponization of law enforcement against the American people and, frankly, against politicians and restored the fair, equal, and impartial rule of law. My administration has taken action to abolish all discriminatory diversity, equity, and inclusion nonsense, and these are policies that were absolute nonsense throughout the government and the private sector. With the recent yet somewhat unexpected great supreme court decision just made, America will once again become a merit based country. You have to hear that word, merit based country. And I've made it official, an official policy of the United States, that there are only 2 genders, male and female. And we will have no men participating in women's sports and transgender operations, which became the rage, will occur very rarely. Finally, as we restore common sense in America, we're moving quickly to bring back strength and peace and stability abroad. I'm also going to ask all NATO nations to increase defense spending to 5% of GDP, which is what it should have been years ago. It was only at 2%, and most nations didn't pay until I came along. I insisted that they pay and they did because the United States was really paying the difference at that time, and it's was unfair to the United States. But many, many things have been unfair for many years to the United States. Before even taking office, my team negotiated a ceasefire agreement in the Middle East, which wouldn't have happened without us, as I think most of the people in the room know. Earlier this week, the hostages began to return to their families. They are returning, and it's a beautiful sight, and they'll be coming in more and more. They started coming back on Sunday. Our efforts to secure a peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine are now hopefully underway. It's so important to get that done. That is an absolute killing field. Millions of soldiers are being killed. Nobody's seen anything like it since World War 2. They're laying dead all over the flat fields. It's a flat field farmland, and there's millions of Russians and millions of Ukrainians. Nobody's seen anything like it since World War 2. It's time to end it. And here in America, we have big events coming up. Next year, we have the 250th anniversary of America's founding. I'm so honored to be president during that. That's been a big event. They've been talking about it for 10 years. We also have the World Cup. And I understand Gianni. Gianni's in the room. Infantino, he was, very instrumental in helping us get it. He's there with you someplace, I think. And I wanna thank him for that. And then we have the Olympics coming up, which I was instrumental in getting also in my first term. And who would have known that by skipping a term, I would get the Olympics? I was upset. I said, you know, I got the Olympics to come, and I won't be president, but it turned out through a stroke of luck or whatever you might call it that I'm gonna be president during the World Cup and the Olympics and the 250th anniversary. So that's gonna be 3 big events. And we've accomplished more in less than 4 days. We have really been working 4 days than other administrations have accomplished in 4 years, and we're just getting started. It's really an amazing thing to see in the spirit and the light over our country has been incredible. Under the last administration, our nation has suffered greatly, But we're going to bring it back and make it greater, bigger, stronger, better than ever before. I wanna thank everybody for being with you. I would have been there myself except the inauguration was 2 days ago. I thought it might be a little bit quick to make it the first stop. But we'll get there one day. We hope to get there. But I I do appreciate. I heard the audience is fantastic, and many of my friends are in the audience. And, I will be taking questions now from some very distinguished people. Thank you all very much. Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you very much, mister president, for that very powerful speech, and I think you could hear the applause all the way from Davos to the White House. But next year, it will be even better because then you can get applause here in Davos. So we wish you welcome to our village next year. Speaker 1: We Speaker 3: hope to see you. Speaker 0: Thank you very much. Speaker 3: So we also know, Mr. President, that you open up for interaction here. We have a great panel with some of the most distinguished business people in the world. Let me start, with someone that you know really well that I think is almost a neighbor of you in Malara in in Florida, mister Steve, Schwarzman, chairman, CEO, and cofounder of Blackstone Group. So, Steve, floor is yours. Speaker 4: Well, mister president, I'm sure the crown prince of Saudi Arabia will be really glad you gave this speech today. You've had the busiest 4 days that anybody can imagine, and congratulations for that. And, my question, is is about some of the things I've observed here at Davos. It's a terrific forum. I've met lots of people, as usual. I think I've been here 30 years. And a lot of the European business people, have expressed enormous frustration with the regulatory regime in the EU. And they attribute slower growth rates here because of the numerous factors, but especially because of regulations. And you've taken a completely different approach in this area. And if you could explain the theory of what you're doing, how you're gonna do it, and what you expect the outcome to be, I'd appreciate it. Speaker 0: Well, thank you very much, and congratulations, Steve. You're a friend of mine, but on a great career. You have had an amazing career and continues. I just wanna congratulate you. Very inspirational to a lot of people. I wanna talk about the EU because you mentioned specifically that I've also had a lot of friends and leaders of countries. I've gotten to know them all my first term and a little bit during this period of 4 years. And know them well, like them a lot, but they're very frustrated because of, the time everything seems to take to get approved, environmental impact statements for things that you shouldn't even have to do that, and many, many other ways that it takes. And I'm gonna give you a quick little example. I in the private life, my beautiful private life, before I had all these things happening, the world is a little different. I had a nice simple life. You knew that. But, when I had that simple life, I did projects. And I had a big project in Ireland, And it had to get approval on something that would have made it even better. And I got the approval from Ireland in a period of a week, and it was a very, very, very efficient, good approval. And they informed me, though, the problem is you're gonna have to get it from the EU, and we think that'll take 5 to 6 years. And they said, you have to be kidding. And this was before politics. And I said, wait a minute. It's not that important. I don't wanna go 5 or 6 years, but it would have been a big investment. It would have been nice, and it would have been good for the project. And I sent the people to the EU to see if they could speed it up, and, basically, it was a 5 or 6 year wait just to get a simple approval that Ireland gave me in a period of literally not much more than a week. And I realized right then, that was the first time I really was involved with the EU, but I realized right then that's a problem. And I didn't even bother applying to do it. And or if I did, I pulled it very quickly. I don't want I have to be very accurate because I don't wanna be criticized. He did apply, actually. No. I wanna be very accurate. So, I don't think I did. But if I did, I pulled it very quickly. It was just something you you couldn't wait 5 years or 6 years to get an approval. So a lot of, in a very big business sense, a lot of people are are claiming that's the problem. From the standpoint of America, the, EU treats us very, very unfairly, very badly. They have a, large tax that we know about and a VAT tax, and it's a very substantial one. They don't take our essentially, don't take our farm products and they don't take our cars, yet they send cars to us by the 1,000,000. They put tariffs on things that we wanna do. Like, for instance, I think they actually, in terms of these are non economic or nonmonetary tariffs, and and those are very bad. And they make it very difficult to bring products into Europe, and yet they expect to be selling. And they do sell their products in the United States. So we have, you know, 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars of deficits with the EU. And nobody's happy with it, and we're gonna do something about it. But nobody's happy with it. So I think the EU has to speed up their process. Friends of mine that are in, some of the nations within the great people, they they wanna be able to compete better, and you can't compete when you can't get go through the approval process fast. There's no reason why it can't go faster. So, you know, I'm I'm I'm trying to be constructive because I love Europe. I love the countries of Europe, but the process is a very cumbersome one. And the and they do treat the United States of America very, very unfairly with the VAT taxes and all of the other taxes they impose. One other just to finish up, I got a call from the head of a major airline, one of the biggest airlines in the world. And he said, sir, could you help us what? Landing in Europe is brutal. They charge us fees for everything, and it's so unfair. I said, how does it compare to China? He said, it's it's much worse. And, the other thing, as you know, they took, court cases with Apple, and they supposedly won a case that most people didn't think was much of a case. They won 15 or 16,000,000,000 from Apple. They won 1,000,000,000 from Google. I think they're after Facebook for 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000. These are American companies. Whether you like them or not, they're they're American companies, and they shouldn't be doing that. And, that's as far as I'm concerned, it's a form of taxation. So we have some very big complaints with the EU. Thank you. Speaker 3: Thank you, very much, mister president. We'll now, go to one of your friends, in the EU, Patrick Poiana. He's the chairman, CEO of Total Energies. I guess you have a question ready, Patrick, for the president. Speaker 2: Mr. President, as we understand energy is at the top of your agenda and it's an honor for me to present the energy industry tonight. In this panel, TotalEnergies is indeed the 4th largest oil and gas and electricity company in the world. I will not ask you a question about the oil price. It's quite clear what you expect from us. We will go to gas more. And our company is the largest number one exporter LNG from the U. S. Company. We are a strong contributor to and we invest in a mammoth LNG projects in Texas $20,000,000,000 it's far from $200,000,000,000 but it's $20,000,000,000 And we contribute with that to security of supply to Europe as we export this LNG to Europe. Some experts are fear that if there are too many projects developed in the U. S. On LNG, this could have an inflationary impact on the U. S. Domestic gas price. And we recommend a pause on these projects. I would ask you the following question. What are your views on about such a pause on investments on LNG in the U. S? What would happen if you would observe an increased domestic gas price because of these exports? And final question, which is important for Europe. Would you agree to guarantee security of supplies of US LNG to Europe? Speaker 0: Well, on the last part of your question, yes, I would. I would make sure that you get it. If we make a deal, we make a deal. You'll get it because a lot of people do have that problem. They make a deal and then it can't get supplied because of, war type problems and other problems. So we would absolutely do that. LNG is very interesting because when I took office, for the first term, one of the first things I looked at was 2 there were 2 very massive plants in Louisiana, state that has been very good to be, wanted by many, many points. And, I felt strongly indebted to it, actually. And they said there are 2 plants that have been under environmental consideration for more than 10 years. And they were costing, as you say, you know how expensive those plants are, but they were costing, like, 12,000,000,000 and I think 14 or 15,000,000,000, but they couldn't get their permits. It was they were in review for years, many, many years, like a decade or more. And I said, so ridiculous. I know so much about that because in the construction industry, I had to go through it too, but I got good at it after a while. But I I went I saw the, projects, and you're talking about a total investment of, 25 to $30,000,000,000, and it looked like it was gonna end. They couldn't get their permits. And I got them done in less than a week. It was done, completed. In fact, when they called them to announce that, it was done, the countries, largely countries, Japan was involved and another country and some very big investors, They couldn't believe it. They actually couldn't believe it. And I said, just do yourself one favor. Don't pay any consultants because the only one that got it done was me. I got it done because it was the right thing to do for the US and for the world, but the consultants had nothing to do with it. You know? The consultants go in and they say, give us 1,000,000 of dollars because Trump did it. Nobody called me about it. I just heard it was a problem for years. And I got it done because it was the right thing to do for the US and the right thing to do for Beyond. It had to do with energy. Very important. So I think it's very important. I I think the the, you know, I disagree with 1. I think the more that you do, the lower the price is gonna go. And what I'd like to see is, rapid approvals. We're gonna give very rapid approvals in the United States. Like with the AI plans, talking to many people who wanna build them. That's gonna be a very big thing. We're gonna build electric, generating facilities. They are going to build. I'm gonna get them the approval under emergency declaration. I can get the approvals done myself without having to go through years of waiting. And the big problem is we need double the energy we currently have in the United States. Can you imagine for AI to really be as big as we wanna have it because it's a very competitive it'll be very competitive with China and others. So I'm gonna give emergency declarations so that they can start building them almost immediately. And I'm I'm I think it was largely my idea because nobody thought this was possible. It wasn't that they were not smart because they're the smartest. But I told them that what I want you to do is build your electric generating plant right next to your plant as a separate building connected. And they said, wow. You're kidding. And I said, no. No. I'm not kidding. You don't have to hook into the grid, which is old and, you know, could be taken out. If it's taken out, they wouldn't have any way to get, any electricity. So, we are going to allow them to go on a very rapid base basis to build their plant, build the electric generating plant. They can fuel it with anything they want, and they may have coal as a backup. Good clean coal. You know? If there were a problem with a with a pipe coming in, as an example, you're going with gas, oil and gas, and, a pipe gets blown up or for some reason doesn't work, there are some companies in the US that have coal sitting right by the plant so that if there's an emergency, they can go to that short term basis and use our very clean coal. So that's something else that a lot of people didn't even know about. But, nothing can destroy coal, not the weather, not a bomb, nothing. It might make it a little smaller, might make it a little different shape, but coal is very strong as a backup. It's a great backup to have that facility, and it wouldn't cost much more more money. And we have more coal than anybody. We also have more oil and gas than anybody. So, we're gonna make it so that the plants will have their own electric generating facilities attached right to their plant. They don't have to worry about a utility. They don't have to worry about anything, and we're gonna get very rapid approvals. Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you so much, mister President. We'll now go to another CEO that you know, very well, Brian Monahan, the CEO and Chair of Bank of America. Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Mr. President, and congratulations and obviously eventful week for you and your family. If you remember 5 years ago, you came here and we walked among 150 CEOs from all over the world and you engaged with them about your policies and your procedures. This year, you're not here, and yet this week was eventful from the orders that you mentioned earlier. Literally a wave of orders coming out on immigration, on trade and many other matters. And so as a representative of the United States here, we got a lot of questions about what does all this mean and how would the President square this with this clear focus on growth, prosperity, market growth stock market growth, a good bond market and bringing down prices. So how do you think about the impact of all these orders and how fast they come out and how you're going to balance them with that scorecard of being successful in both continuing GDP growth, bringing down inflation, and also having a good stock price appreciation for the American citizen? Speaker 0: Well, I think it's gonna actually bring down inflation. It's gonna bring up jobs. We're gonna have a lot of jobs. We're gonna have a lot of companies moving in. You know, Brian, we're at 21%. It was at 40%, and I got it down to 21%, the corporate tax. And it was actually if you look at state and city, it was, in many cases, much higher than 40%. I got it down to 21%, and now we're gonna bring it down from 21 to 15% if there's a big if, if you make your product in the US. So we're gonna have the lowest just about the lowest rate. It'll be the 21 is on the low side worldwide. The 15 is about as low as it gets. And by far, the lowest of a large country, a large, you know, rich, powerful country by far, not even a contest. So we're gonna bring it down to 15% if you make your product in the USA. So that's gonna create a a tremendous buzz. We're also probably going back to the 1 year deduction where we, deduct you know, we we did that originally, and that was amazing what the impact that that had. The 1 year deduction, which built up over a period of time and then it expires. But we're gonna go back to that when we do the renewal of the Trump tax plan. We have to get Democrats to approve it. But, you know, if, the Democrats didn't approve it, I don't know how they can survive with about a 45% tax increase because that's what it would be. And, so I think they're gonna be. We're we've been working along with them pretty well. I I think it's very hard for a political group to say, let's charge people 45% more. So I think we're in good shape, but we're actually doing a reduction for business and small businesses where you're gonna be bring it down to 15%, which is really, something. And by the way, speaking of you, and you've done a fantastic job, but I hope you start opening your bank to conservatives because many conservatives complain that the banks are not allowing them to do business within the bank, and that included a place called Bank of America. This conserve they don't take conservative business. And I don't know if the regulators mandated that because of Biden or what, but you and Jamie and everybody, I hope you're gonna open your banks to conservatives because what you're doing is wrong. Speaker 5: Mister president, I'll say that, your friend Gianni was said hello told me to tell you hello, and we look forward to, sponsoring the World Cup when it comes both this summer for the club and next year. So thank you for getting that for the United States. Speaker 0: Thank you very much, Brian. Speaker 3: Thank you, Mr. President. We'll, now go to Anna Butin. She's the Executive Chairman of Banco Santander, one of the big European banks, and also in the U. S. So Anna. Speaker 6: Mister president, congratulations on a historic victory. I believe you don't know me as well as my fellow panelists, so a few words. Santander is one of the largest banks in the world by number of customers, 170,000,000. That's more than my friend Brian or my friend Jamie have. And those Speaker 5: They fixed the regulation, will Speaker 6: That's coming. That's coming. Speaker 3: That was cheeky. Speaker 6: We are a big investor in United States. We have many 1000000 customers, 12,000 employees. We're one of the largest auto lenders. And we recently launched a fully digital bank called OpenBank. We strongly believe banks have a pivotal role in the economy, and we can accelerate growth and help many more customers. That's what we're doing in the United States. So, as Brian pointed out, we very much welcome your focus on deregulation and reducing bureaucracy. So my question is, what are your priorities, in this regard? And how fast is this gonna happen? Thank you very much. Speaker 0: I think it's going to thank you, and congratulations. I know very much about your bank, and, you've done a fantastic job. Congratulations. We are going to, move very quickly. We've moved very quickly. We've done things in the last 3 days that nobody thought were possible to do in years. And, it's all taken it's all taken effect. It's gonna have a huge impact on the economy, a huge positive impact. Money was being wasted on, crazy things. I mean, the Green New Deal was such a total disgrace. What what how that was perpetrated. And it was conceived of by people that were average students, less than average students, I might add, and never even took a course in energy or the environment. It was just a game. Remember the world was gonna end in 12 years? Remember that? Well, the 12 years has come and gone. It was gonna end. It was gonna all foam into Earth, but, you know, the time has come. The these people and they they really, they really scared the Democrats, large. I can't say the Republicans. Republicans maybe could have fought harder to stop it, but it's been a tremendous waste of a tremendous waste of money. You know, during my 4 years, we had the cleanest air. We had the cleanest water, and yet we had the most productive economy in the history of our country. We had the most productive economy. Until COVID came, we had the most productive in the history of our country by far. And, and and, actually, you could look worldwide. We were we were beating everybody from China to everybody else. So and we think we really now with what we have learned and all of the, other things that have taken place, we think we can even far surpass that. Actually, far, far surpass it. But we do one thing we're gonna be demanding is we're gonna be demanding respect from other nations. Canada, we have a tremendous deficit with Canada. We're not gonna have that anymore. We can't do it. It's it's I don't know if it's good for them. As you probably know, I say you can always become a state. And if you're a state, we won't have a deficit. We won't have to tariff you, etcetera, etcetera. But Canada has been very tough to deal with over the years, and it's not fair that we should have a 200,000,000,000 or $250,000,000,000 deficit. We don't need them to make our cars, and they make a lot of them. We don't need their lumber because we have our own forests, etcetera, etcetera. We don't need their oil and gas. We have our we have more than anybody. So, you know, just as an example, with Mexico, we're dealing with Mexico, I think, very well. And, we're just, you know, we we just wanna be treated fairly with other nations because, there's hardly a nation in the world. And I blame this on us, and I blame it on, politicians that for some reason, I'm probably mostly at stupidity, but you could also say, other reasons. But mostly stupidity, they've allowed other nations to take advantage of the US. So what we can't allow that to happen anymore. You know, we have debt. It's a very small debt when you compare it to value, the value of the assets that we have, but we don't wanna do that. We wanna just have, debt be obliterated, and we'll be able to do that fairly rapidly. And, a lot of good things are gonna happen. And and, honestly, good things are gonna happen for the world, and good things are gonna happen for the people that are dealing with us, allies and beyond allies. One thing very important, I really would like to be able to meet with president Putin soon and get that war end ended. And and that's not from, the standpoint of economy or anything else. It's from the standpoint of millions of lives are being wasted. Beautiful young people are being shot in the battlefield. You know? The bullet, a very flat land, as I said, and the bullet goes there's no there's no hiding. And a bullet the only thing that'll stop the bullet is a human body. And you have to see I've seen pictures of what's taken place. It's a carnage, and we really have to stop that war. That war is horrible. And I'm not talking economy. I'm not talking economics. I'm not talking about natural resource. I'm just talking about there's so many young people being killed in this war, and that's not including the people that have been killed as the cities are being, you know, knocked down building by building. So we really should get that stopped. Likewise, in the Middle East, I think we've made a lot of progress in the Middle East, and I think that's gonna that's gonna come along pretty well. Speaker 1: Thank you. Speaker 3: Thank you, mister president. So we know that, most consequential relationship in the world is between the US and China. US, 28% of the global economy. China close to 20. That's almost half of the global GDP. And we know that, you called, President Xi Jinping last Friday. We heard that you had a good discussion. How do you see the relationship between the US and China in the next 4 years under your leadership leadership? Speaker 0: He called me, but I see it very good. I think that we're going to, have a very good relationship. All we want is fairness. We just want a level playing field. We don't wanna take advantage. We've been having massive deficits with China. Biden allowed it to get out of hand. He's $1,100,000,000,000 deficit's ridiculous. And it's just an unfair relationship, and we have to make it just fair. We don't have to make it phenomenal. We have to make it a fair relationship. Right now, it's not a fair relationship. The deficit is massive as it is with other countries, a lot of Asian countries, actually. But we have deficits that are very big, and we can't keep doing that. So we're not gonna keep doing that. But, I like president Xi very much. I've always liked him. We always had a very good relationship. It was very strained with COVID coming out of Wuhan. Obviously, that strained it. I'm sure it strained it with a lot of people, but, that strained our relationship. But we always had a a great relationship, I would say, and we look forward to doing very well with China and getting along with China. Hopefully, China can help us stop the war with, in particular, Russia, Ukraine. They have a great deal of power over that situation. And, we'll work with them, and I mentioned that with, during our phone conversation with president Xi. And, hopefully, we could work together and get that stopped. We'd like to see denuclearization. In fact, with president Putin prior to an election result, which was frankly ridiculous, we were talking about denuclearization of our two countries, and China would have come along. China has, a a much smaller right now nuclear armament than us or field than us, but they're they're gonna be catching it at some point over the next 4 or 5 years. And, I will tell you that president Putin really liked the idea of of cutting way back on nuclear, and I think the rest of the world, we would have gotten them to follow. And China would have come along too. China also liked it. A tremendous amounts of money are being spent on nuclear, and the destructive capability is something that we don't even wanna talk about today, because you don't wanna hear it. It's too depressing. So we wanna see if we can denuclearize, and I think that's very possible. And I can tell you that president Putin wanted to do it. He and I wanted to do it. We had a good conversation with China. They would have been involved, and that would have been an unbelievable thing for the planet. Speaker 3: Mister president, when you're, back here in Davos next year, will there be then a peace agreement with with Ukraine and Russia by then? Speaker 0: Well, you're gonna have to ask Russia. Ukraine is ready to to make a deal. Just so you understand, this is a war that should have never started. If I were president, it would never have started. This is a war that should have never ever been started. And and it wasn't started during my there was never even talk about it. I knew that it was the apple of president Putin's eye, but I also knew that there was no way he was going in, and he wasn't gonna go in. And then, when I was out, bad things happened, bad things were said. A lot of stupidity all around, and you end up with what you have. Now you have all these bombed out cities. They look like demolition sites with many people killed. I think the the thing that you'll see about Ukraine is that far far more people have died than is being reported, and I've seen that. But far far more people have died. When you look at a city that's become a demolition site where big buildings have been collapsed by missiles hitting them and everything else, and they say one person was slightly injured. Now now many people were killed. Those are big buildings. I was surprised at how that was my business. These are buildings that go 2 3 blocks long. They're 20 stories high. They're big, powerful buildings, and they were knocked down. And there were a lot of people in those buildings that announced that 2 people were injured. That's not true. So I think you're gonna find that there were many more people killed in Ukraine in the Ukraine war than anybody has any idea. But if you look now, so many of the the people being killed are soldiers, just facing each other with guns, rifles, and drones, the new form of warfare drones. And it's a very sad thing to see. And when you see pictures of the fields that I see, nobody wants to see it. You'll never be the same. Speaker 3: Thank you, very much, mister president. On behalf of, all the 3,000 participants, here in Davos, we, really, really, underline that joining us the 3rd day in your presidency live taking questions here is so appreciated, and we are already ready for receiving you next year in person. So thank you very much, and all the best from Davos. Speaker 0: Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.