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GeoConfirmed ISR - PAL Investigation. This claim is viewed over 30 million times. "Israel admits Apache helicopters fired on their own civilians running from the Supernova music festival." ❌DISINFORMATION ❌ This whole story is a perfect example how disinformation works. 1/X https://t.co/Jahc97GUDx
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GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL Investigation. Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza. This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread) Footage from Palestinians digging graves/mass graves dated 25 January, 28 January and 03 February while IDF entered the hospital around 15 February. Quote from https://aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21/nearly-200-bodies-found-in-mass-grave-at-hospital-in-gazas-khan-younis “In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military." (By Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud) Conclusion: This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others: This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians. This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.
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25 JAN 2024 - Palestinian burials by Palestinian people in Nasser Hospital. (VID 01) An estimation of 75 graves (3 rows of 25 graves) are visible on this video at the exact place where they claimed to have found a mass grave made by the Israeli military. 31.345841, 34.291887 Source: https://t.me/Ahaamd1985/187807 https://t.me/VBnO4pp1lMzBi/37948
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Still of the footage in VID 01 showing the source, the date and the estimated 75 graves.
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28 JAN 2024 - As claimed "More than 30 bodies, most of them unidentified, were buried in a mass grave inside the Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Yunis due to the siege of the IDF." (Vid 02) Same location as the previous video.
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03 FEB 2024 - In this footage you see Palestinians digging a mass grave 50m east, at the other side of the building visible in the footage above. (VID 03) With this text: "The bodies of thirty martyrs were buried in the Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Yunis." 31.3457065, 34.292408 https://t.me/hamz0831/86859
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Still of the footage in VID 03 showing the source, the date and the digging of a mass grave.
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IDF entered the hospital complex around 15 February according to different news outlets and our own GeoLocations. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-idf-nasser-hospital-khan-younis-rafah-offensive/
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Our first GeoConfirmation of IDF entering the hospital complex. (15 FEB 2024) Israeli military vehicles driving inside the Nasser Hospital complex, Khan Younis 87WV+Q62 31.346899, 34.293031 GeoLocated by @NemoAnno Geolocation: Location: https://geoconfirmed.org/israel/4403c058-1775-4697-4ddf-08dc289e8ffb Sources: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Xr_eEoSr0
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Recent video's. Same location as the known grave yard/mass graves, at least partially dug by Palestinians. (21 APR 2024) - Bodies being recovered at the grounds of the Nasser Hospital complex. (VID 04)
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(21 APR 2024) - Bodies being recovered at the grounds of the Nasser Hospital complex. (VID 05)
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(21 APR 2024) - Bodies being recovered at the grounds of the Nasser Hospital complex. VID 06 (Al Jazeera) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N22ssY966nE
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Geolocation of VID 04, VID 05, VID 06. GeoLocation by @m_osint and @NemoAnno
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This is not the first time claims like this were made. The discovery of graves in Al Shifa, for example, that were also at least partially dug by Palestinians. Or even in this example: 23 DEC 2023: "A civil defense team buried the bodies of unknown Palestinians left in the streets for over 20 days in Gaza city."
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31 JAN 2024, the same mass grave was dug up...but with a different explanation. 31.536265, 34.507985 Video's 1. 2.
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Conclusion: Claiming that 180 bodies were buried in a mass grave "by IDF" is disinformation, by Al Jazeera and others. This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians. This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces. Remark: It is highly likely that hospitals were forced to bury the deceased on their own grounds or in nearby areas due to safety concerns around transporting the bodies to a formal graveyard. For example, in a video from Nasser hospital, people mention that the facility was under siege, indicating they were unable to take the deceased to a graveyard and had to bury them on the hospital premises. According to Islamic funeral customs, Muslims are typically expected to be buried as soon as possible after death, often within 24 hours. This helps explain why the hospitals opted to conduct burials on their own grounds, with the intention of providing a proper funeral at a later, safer time. Reburial is a known practice in conflict situations. Overall, the decision to bury the deceased on hospital grounds or nearby areas was likely a pragmatic one driven by safety and religious burial practices, rather than any malicious intent. 20/20
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More information: this was just brought to our attention. Jan 28: NBC News. "Palestinians have dug a mass grave on the grounds of Nasser Hospital, as they lack a safe passage to transport bodies for proper burials. The hospital's manager says 150 bodies have been buried in the past few days after they started to decompose in the hospital's mortuary.' This is the location visible in VID 03. Reminder: This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces. https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878
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More information, this was just brought to our attention. 0:20 - "I am here to find the body of my son, his brother told me that he buried him here." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktwDG6ge37c
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Reminder: in this thread we only proof that these mass graves existed before, just as the graveyards, and were at-least partially dug by Palestinians. While the initial reporting spoke about "new mass graves" and people "buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military" with accompanying footage... while that footage taken was at the location of known mass graves. I feel sorry for the fact that we are discussing now about how people should report... instead of making assumptions and unproven claims they should stick to facts. All this while we should be talking about the important issue: Hundreds of people died and are buried at this place. This is - and always will be - horrible.
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Update: https://t.co/I0bu03s85P
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Last claim we address is the one with the burned vehicles. At this time there is no GeoLocation, nor witnesses statement, at all backing up the claim that this is caused by Apache Helicopters. 18/X https://t.co/oZVoQz9emA
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GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL - Hospital Bombing Based on the geolocation of new footage its highly likely that: The missile -Al Jazeera footage- is an interceptor. (Iron Dome) The explosion in the air is too far away to be related to the hospital explosion. Read the thread 👇 1/X
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Based on the investigations conducted by @fdov21 , @OAlexanderDK and @ArchieIrving2 regarding the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital explosion. Starting with the three threads that this thread is largely based on. Original footage: 2/X
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Good work of @ArchieIrving2 who was one of the first to challenge our initial analysis. 3/X
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Followed by @fdov21 volunteer with @UAControlMap, @ProjectOwlOsint and... @GeoConfirmed. 4/X
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First the geolocations of footage showing the explosion of the hospital. VID 01 - Initial footage: 6/X
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GeoLocation VID 01 & VID 02: POV of the video: 31.5139938, 34.4499253 8/X
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Now the footage showing another explosion BEFORE the explosion in the courtyard of the hospital, but relevant for the investigation. (VID 04 and VID 05) VID 04 - Netiv HaAsara 31.566770, 34.537364 11/X
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The triangulation of the initial blast BEFORE the Hospital Explosion: 15/X
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Why does the geolocation from the explosion BEFORE the hospital explosion matters: 16/X
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Triangulation of the different -what was said to be-hospital explosion related footage. Especially @fdov21 did a great job in investigating this. I would advise you to read his thread: https://tinyurl.com/ycy9v22w (Google Doc) Some snapshots from his thread: 17/X
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We are pleased to observe the open-source community and journalists actively engaged in their work. Based on the above investigation questions are answered (backed with proof) and new questions can be raised: Ref. 21/X
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Answered questions: 1. Is the missile visible in the Al Jazeera stream above or near the hospital? Highly Likely not. 2. If an Iron Dome missile is involved, why was it fired above Gaza? Not above Gaza, but highly likely at the edge, doing a 'normal' intercept. 22/X
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3. If an Iron Dome missile is involved, can we identify past incidents of Iron Dome missile interceptions occurring above Gaza? Not relevant, see 2. 23/X
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4. If an interceptor was in action, what was its target? 5. What happened to the debris of the intercepted object ? 6. No debris? Because of the estimates of the distance between the explosion and the hospital, it seems to be exploded too far away to have relevance. 24/X
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Questions which are relevant now after this above investigation (restarted numbering): A. If it’s a Tamir interceptor and it intercepted something above/in line of the hospital, doesn’t this support the IDF’s claim regarding rocket trajectory ? 25/X
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A. Very relevant, although it’s now highly likely that it didn’t intercept something above the hospital, it could have intercepted something that was shot over the hospital. What means that the possibility of another rocket failing still exists. 26/X
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Open questions/topics non related to this analysis above: B. Why is there still no footage/proof of debris that could identify what caused the explosion? 29/X
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C. Did an JDAM/GBU dropped by Israeli Airforce caused this? @Bellingcat: The impacted area does not seem to match the usual characteristics of 500, 1000, or 2000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs). https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10/18/identifying-possible-crater-from-gaza-hospital-blast/ 32/X
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D. Did Israel bombed the (area of) the hospital before? E. Was Israel bombing the neighbourhood of the Hospital before and after the explosion? F. Was it an artillery shell coming from the North-East. By @ForensicArchi 33/X
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G. If only one artillery shell impacted the site, why is there just one? Is this typical for artillery use? H. Are there other recent examples of Israel using artillery in the area? I. How can we be certain it’s artillery and not shrapnel from a rocket? 34/X
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Conducting a crater analysis is an exceptionally challenging investigative task. Even with access to the impact site, it can take weeks to determine the type of ammunition and the direction of impact. 38/X
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Depending on the underground and the angle of impact, the resulting spray pattern can vary significantly, possibly even by 180 degrees. The accuracy of such an analysis comes into question when the specifics of the munition used and the angle of impact remain unknown. 39/X
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K. Why is a failed rocket launch still the most plausible possibility? "Forensic analysis of images and videos suggests rocket caused Gaza hospital blast, not Israeli airstrike" https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast 40/X
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K. Justin Crump, a former British Army officer, said the failure rate of such homemade rockets is high. Such a scenario unfolded last year, when Islamic Jihad-fired rockets malfunctioned and killed at least a dozen Gaza residents. https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e 41/X
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L. Why is the cemetery so important? If the conversation isn’t real, why would IDF push a cemetery narrative? 42/X
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M. IDF claims responsibility for the bombing of whole neighborhoods causing dozens of civilian casualties claiming they bombed HAMAS hide-outs, why are they now consistently trying to proof it was not them? 43/X
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N. Does Hamas and other Palestinian groups possess large rockets? 44/X https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-rockets-palestinian-groups
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N. GeoLocation of Palestinian Islamic Jihad with BADR-3 rockets: Much more questions can be asked now. 55/X
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Actions taken after this new information emerged: Our old thread is deleted: That analysis was based on info and footage at that time that did not corresponds to the communication that Israeli Airforce bombed and raised a hotel to the ground causing 500-1000 casualties. 56/X
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With this new information that analysis is proven flawed and should not be spread nor used anymore, regardless the fact that enough evidence has emerged that the initial communication by Palestinian authorities was highly likely wrong. 57/X
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Because of the virality of the first tweet (and like you know most people only read the first tweet) we decided to delete the thread, because placing an update at the end would be less read than the further spreading of the first tweet. 58/X
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Conclusion: Based on the investigations conducted by @fdov, @OAlexanderDK and @ArchieIrving2 its highly likely: The missile on the initial Al Jazeera footage is an interceptor. The explosion is too far away from the hospital to be related to the hospital explosion. 59/X
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We are pleased to observe the open-source community and journalists actively engaged in their work. OSINT analysis is always based on information at that time. (...) and is only as good as the quality of opposing arguments. (...) Very good work by the OSINT community! 60/X
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Article by The New York Times. @AricToler, from our perspective one of the best geolocation based OSINT-ers in the world, was involved in writing the article. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur 61/X
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GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL. A missile launched by Palestinian Groups exploded mid-air and one of the pieces fell on the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital's yard. 31.504822, 34.46169 Before reacting READ our thread. https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106 1/X
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GeoLocation by @Coupsure, @obretix and @YWNReporter. Independently they came to the same conclusion. The above footage is showing a rocket fail and breaking up in two pieces, one falling on the hospital. POV of the video: 31.5139938, 34.4499253 3/X
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Thread by @COUPSURE : GeoLocation of the strike at the hospital in this footage. 5/X
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Conclusion: A missile launched by a Palestinian group exploded mid-air (Reason unknown) and one piece fell on the hospital causing an explosion. The geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive. More information will be added to this thread. 11/X
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Other footage of the same strike: POV: 31.566770, 34.537364 GeoLocated by @kr007t 12/X
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Some people reacting with "there are no groups with such big missiles/rockets" https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-rockets-palestinian-groups Example: GeoLocation of Palestinian Islamic Jihad with BADR-3 rockets: 15/X
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"Islamic Jihad denied that any of its rockets were involved in the hospital blast, saying it did not have any activity in or around Gaza City at that time" note: A rocket barrage was launched (end of video) but maybe not by Islamic Jihad. Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/least-500-victims-israeli-air-strike-hospital-gaza-health-ministry-2023-10-17/ 16/X
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Important note: Our conclusions are based on our geolocations: That doesn't mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason. We are geolocators, not official investigators. Do not take this conclusion as proven fact! To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed. 17/X
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About the 'JDAM' claim: The Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) is a guidance tail kit that converts existing unguided free-fall bombs into accurate, adverse weather "smart" munitions. So the whole 'listen to the sound' comparison is irrelevant. Because every JDAM could have another bomb and every bomb has his own sound. (Based on weather, humidity, wind, environment, ...) It's impossible to compare. More information: https://www.military.com/equipment/joint-direct-attack-munition-jdam "JDAM claim"= 19/X
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More information about the JDAM discussion. (Read also who Justin Bronk is) https://t.co/2pMWBMG3xO 20/X
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A few hours later... A lot of people don't seem to understand how OSint works. So little reminder: OpenSource/OSint based conclusions are based on Open Source information that is provided/found at that specific time. The facts matter. After the publication of this thread new information was brought to our attention: we are looking into this new information. If needed we adapt/update or even delete and restart our thread. FACTS matter. Ah yes: We never had more death threats than the ones in the last 8 hours. Ask yourself the question before believing any of the different involved parties: What have i seen for evidence that it was A or B that is responsible or do I just believe immediatly what one of the parties is claiming because it fits what i want to believe... 21/X
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IDF published footage, from the location of the hospital, showing burned out cars. This location matches with the fires visible in other footage. https://t.co/TzxD4wAVkd 22/X
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We were working on the same questions as @Nrg8000 and he did a great job so we are just sharing his thread. 1. The damage in aftermath videos doesn't lookt to concur with airstrike aftermath. (UAV footage from IDF and video's from the scene itself). 2. Based on the same footage: How can this result in the claimed 500+ killed? Read his thread 👇 https://t.co/zlWRkE6MgT 23/X
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More information: https://t.co/igLYtlnoN1 24/X
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Another good investigation @Nrg8000 did before we could: Proving that some of the camera footage spread to show that an IAF fighter is involved, is from another location and time. https://t.co/yh2lpWTSav 25/X https://t.co/vDTNY9Xzpv
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After looking to all the footage again, based on your feedback, we discovered some more interesting elements. Lets review the initial footage of the strike step by step again. We will reupload the video to make sure he isn't deleted. You can decide for yourself. 26/X https://t.co/fPVhDMVps2
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The first three seconds gives us a possible roughly direction of launch. (Not a location, because it's difficult to estimate the distance) 27/X https://t.co/LxlIIxUwAz
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Here you see the roughly direction, but a launch is more curved. So it should be on the left of the arrow. Rocket is flying to the left of the hospital. So how would it be able to hit the hospital? This we will answer in a few tweets. 28/X https://t.co/p3erTjn5yL
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IDF released this footage. Important for us is this quote: "They shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital" https://t.co/hGUv0elWLO 29/X
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What is in the direction of our arrow drawn to the potential launch direction: The big cemetery next to hospital. 30/X https://t.co/XLSqm5BizY
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But how is it possible that the rocket fell on the hospital, while it 'passed' its lateral direction. Let's look to the remaining footage. At 00:05 a little flash is visible, changing the direction of the rocket. Interception by Iron Dome should be a proper explosion. 31/X https://t.co/c8gWOKE7fw
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At 00:07 a second flash is visible, changing the direction again. The rocket is now flying back to the right from POV. "returning" The POV seems to be staying the same and the camera footage doesn't seems to be cut. The flashes are possibly the result of rocket failure. 32/X https://t.co/XT6bJwgnL6
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00:10 The camera never changed nor is there any interruption in the footage, but the rocket is now flying to the right. Camera is zoomed in resulting in a brighter view. 33/X https://t.co/45MSAxb6ie
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00:10 - Directly after the explosion you see that the explosion occurred in the middle of the rocket. You see the warhead and booster?/engine? separation. 35/X https://t.co/KSS5DCBqhN
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00:11 - The warhead is flying ‘to the right’ from the POV → in the lateral direction of the hospital. While the Engine/Booster is falling down. This would mean that the Engine/booster would hit the ground first on the left of where the warhead would land. 36/X https://t.co/r26ILSz5Mm
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00:16 - First explosion, left of the future right explosion, 6 seconds after separation. = possible Engine?/Booster? hit the ground? 37/X https://t.co/nknubmPloX
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00:18 - Second explosion, geolocated to the hospital. To the right of the first explosion, 8 seconds after separation. 38/X https://t.co/1SyZwd3ofQ
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01:29 - Camera pans out to film another rocket barrage. (referring to the fact that Palestinian Islamic Jihad denied they launched rockets during this time, but it could be another organisation) This was our investigation of the footage based on the information at hand. 39/X https://t.co/Vpj2K9SyQc
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More info: "As noted by Marc Garlasco, a Military Advisor at PAX for Peace’s Protection of Civilians team, the impact point does not appear to be consistent with the 500, 1000 or 2000-pound bombs used in Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs)" https://t.co/wmE2X6YR78 40/X