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“Jim why don’t you just give an editorial and not let me come on.” @Acosta once again proving that he is not a “defender of the people,” rather only the people that he agrees with. He has no understanding of the injustice that these people faced. https://t.co/3ZwYF4kgFc
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Axios reports that Trump's pardons related to January 6 were a last-minute decision, with Trump instructing his team to "release them all." Concerns arise over pardoning individuals convicted of violent acts during the Capitol attack. One congressman, who was present that day, acknowledges the lawbreaking but argues that many did not receive due process. He defends Trump's decisions, questioning why the media does not focus on those who were not pardoned. The discussion shifts to accountability, with the congressman asserting that if released individuals reoffend, it should not solely fall on Trump, just as Biden shouldn't be blamed for others' actions. The conversation highlights ongoing political divisions and differing perspectives on law enforcement and justice.
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Speaker 0: Axios is reporting that Trump's January 6 pardons were a last minute decision. His team was reportedly wrestling with how to handle them. But according to one adviser, Trump said, quote, f it, release them all. Your response?
Speaker 1: Well, Jim, as always, it's good to be on here for my weekly beating from you all at CNN and I appreciate you, brother. And I was thinking about you this morning actually, because I remember Rush Limbaugh, somebody called in when Bill Clinton was elected president and they said, oh, I bet you're depressed. And he said depressed? Heck no. I got 4 years of material.
Just think you've got 4 years of material at least. Right?
Speaker 0: Well, I'm not so much worried about material, congressman, as I am about the President releasing violent offenders who attacked the Capitol where you're standing right now on January 6th, people who are convicted of seditious conspiracy. I spoke with Officer Harry Dunn at the top of the program. I spoke with the ex wife of Stuart Rhodes, Tasha Adams. They are both worried about their safety. Do you defend what Donald Trump did releasing these people from prison, pardoning them, commuting their sentences?
Yes or no?
Speaker 1: Well, I was the last person to leave the the capitol grounds excuse me, the floor of the capitol, last member of congress on January 6th when all this went down, you know, I was offended as anybody. If they cross those barriers, they were breaking the law, but you got to realize too, they are charged under federal law. Many of them never even saw their day in court and we're sitting in a jail cell. Cell. So the whole thing is Yeah.
Speaker 0: Is not the news.
Speaker 1: But you but you also I asked you
Speaker 0: a yes or no question. Do you agree with president Trump's decision to pardon these violent people and releasing them from jail? If they were truly We're showing the footage on the air right now. Congressman, you were there that day. There there are offenders on January 6th who violently beat beat police officers.
There are offenders who are convicted of seditious conspiracy. That is the truth.
Speaker 1: This is a political world, Jim, and I don't remember you all on CNN condemning Joe Biden for commuting the sentences of murders and child molesters, which he did. And you all Congressman,
Speaker 0: I'm not asking you about that. Congressman, we have talked about
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's party. You never do. Congressman, you never did.
Speaker 0: About it. We talked about Joe Biden's party.
Speaker 1: Jim, you did not. You all read your your report from the Democrat National Committee as you always do
Speaker 0: and you attack Larry. Congressman, are you going to respond and say whether or not it is right to let these people out of jail?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it is or not. I'm not a lawyer, but I'll tell you what is right.
Speaker 0: You're a congressman. You're a member of congress. You're an elected official.
Speaker 1: Take us through. They were not given they were not given due process. I told you if they cross the line, they were trespassers. Should they rot for in jail for the rest of their lives and a thousand and a half years of terror?
Speaker 0: Beating police officer, tasing police officers. Jamsters.
Speaker 1: What you're forgetting to say is the ones that he didn't release. Why did he not release those? There are several that he did. This blanket thing you're all talking about is not a blanket. It's it's it's not a blanket pardon.
There were several that he didn't for those very same reasons. Why are you not focused on that? We're talking
Speaker 0: about the the leader of the oath keepers, the leader
Speaker 1: of the proud boys. They should be released from prison? What about the leader of the FBI? What about the FBI agents that were on the grounds that were in in that mess
Speaker 2: that were helping the law?
Speaker 0: Or the FBI was not riding at the
Speaker 1: capitol that day and beating
Speaker 0: up police officers. Fraternal Order of Police, another police organization out there, the International Organization of Police Chiefs. We can show that up on screen. That would be great. They both say that what President Trump did is wrong.
They're deeply discouraged by these pardons. And I wanna ask you,
Speaker 1: Jim, if they have whatever happened to be in jail. If they broke the law, they already be in jail. Okay. Well string this stuff on me. I don't know.
I haven't seen the tapes of these individuals of what
Speaker 0: they did. Back the blue? What happened to backing police officers? Your party has said time and again, we back the blue. It sounds like you let down the blue.
You're betraying the blue.
Speaker 1: Jim, why don't you just give an editorial and not let me come on? Look. What happened in the last 4 years with police? What happened with all the riots that took place all across the country? Police officers were murdered.
Courthouses were burned. Over 22 police cars were burned, yet no one went to jail for that. Where is the where is your crocodile for that? You no. You're just you're engaging in
Speaker 0: the games.
Speaker 1: You're engaging
Speaker 0: in a game in a game of whataboutism. People were obviously positive at
Speaker 1: the end of this week. Every day. Every day, all you got was
Speaker 0: we're doing at CNN. We didn't score the capitol. These people did. And president Trump let them out of jail. Why not just say you were wrong, mister president?
Say it. Why can't you say it?
Speaker 1: Jim, as I said, individually, I don't know the case. But on the but on several, he did not release from jail. Why are you not putting the story out on that and saying it's a blanket? Show me the tapes of these individuals beating police officers.
Speaker 0: We're showing it right now.
Speaker 1: Doctor. Doctor. Saying that I'll be happy to not be your officer.
Speaker 0: Show you the footage. You are not. Of these people showing police officers.
Speaker 1: I've seen the foot I've seen that footage, but of those individuals, Jim, you just said
Speaker 0: I spoke with the ex wife of Stuart Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers. This is what she told me just a few moments ago. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: I'm worried. I am worried. I also worry about his followers. They're a bit unhinged, and he does seem to be regathering and and regrouping his his army, you know, right now.
Speaker 0: Congressman, there are relatives who turned in their relatives because they were involved on January 6th. Who's gonna protect them now that these people have been released?
Speaker 1: Jim, I had individuals from my my my community, bankers, church people that left before all this happened. The FBI came to their house, their places of business, and harassed them. This was a political thing from the start. It was a bad day in America. If they cross the lines It's not a political thing.
It's not
Speaker 0: a political thing. They broke the law. It's not all political. There's such a thing as right and wrong and law and order. And and congressman, your party has said we back the blue.
And I just wanna ask you, if if any of these people who were released from prison, if any of them commit crimes in the future, should Donald Trump take personal responsibility for that?
Speaker 1: No more than Joe Biden Biden should take personal responsibility for the 14,000,000 people for Lake and Riley losing her life because he didn't have enough guts to enforce all the black Americans. If Joe Biden pardoned people
Speaker 0: and they reoffend, he's obviously responsible for that. I'm asking you. Why can't members of your party just tell the president when he's wrong? Why can't you do that?
Speaker 1: You spent 4 years making excuses for a fellow with all with Alzheimer's in in the lead office in this country.
Speaker 0: Congressman, you and I know you and I talked about this. We we raised questions about that time and again on this network, on this program. You all made this Tuesday. For you. Is president Trump responsible?
Is he responsible if some of these offenders reoffend? What happens if one of the Oath Keepers of the Proud Boys goes out there and hurt somebody? Isn't and they were involved on January 6th and were put in prison and Donald Trump released them. Isn't he then responsible for that? Isn't he responsible if somebody gets hurt?
Speaker 1: I would say if they're Trump appointed judges, they will go to jail. But if they're Joe Biden appointed judges or or Soros backed DAs, they'll probably walk, unless they do in New York and the rest of the country. It was we saw during the Black Lives Matters marches. We saw in the riots all across the country. Those people walked.
Nobody went to jail for that. 1,000,000 upon 1,000,000 of dollars of property was damaged. You all didn't raise a finger, didn't say one word about it. Congress You showed it and said, oh, it's all in order. You showed right we had riots where things towns were burning down and they were allowed to do it.
They were allowed to do it. And you all did not all you covered it, Jim. Come on, Jim. All day, the mayor modicum of of coverage and then you went on to
Speaker 0: trash the Trump conservative cause. I was at the White House covering the first Trump administration when they had rioting outside, of the White House. I mean, that was covered on CNN. What you're saying, this is this is not Fox, congressmen. You can't just spin a a tail and pull the wool out of people's eyes.
Yeah. This is CNN. This is the news. We're asking
Speaker 1: you to come
Speaker 0: on and tell the truth.
Speaker 1: And that's why more people are watching the cartoon network, SpongeBob Bob reruns right now, Jim. Look, I left the White House during a riot. My life was threatened. My life has been threatened within the last few weeks, yet there's no coverage of that. And you all continue this this narrative of trap attacking Trump.
You just can't stand the fact that he won and that America Congressman And that and that your view is very diminished.
Speaker 0: Not the case at all.
Speaker 1: And your view is very diminished.
Speaker 0: I asked you to come on to ask you about these pardons because they are highly controversial, and they could result in people getting hurt. And I think that's a sincere question.
Speaker 1: If they break the law, then they go to jail. If they they they went
Speaker 0: to jail and then the president let them out of jail.
Speaker 1: And all I'm asking is
Speaker 0: for you to say that if if you feel it's wrong, say it's wrong.
Speaker 1: That's the key. They did go to jail. And under these Soros backed DAs all across the country, these people are walking for for much more heinous crimes than this.
Speaker 0: Congressman Tim Virchow of Tennessee, thank you for your time and