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It's incredible how five posts on π changed the trajectory of the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election. It all began with Trump posting his mug shot, followed by Elon Musk endorsing him at a rally. Shortly after, Biden announced he would not seek re-election and endorsed Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee. Just before the election, Joe Rogan released a podcast endorsing Trump, citing Musk's influence. Reflecting on this journey, I never imagined the twists and turns that would unfold since I started working at π.
@KettlebellDan - Dan
It's absolutely insane that these 5 posts on π completely altered the entire course of the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election π§΅(0/5)
@KettlebellDan - Dan
(1/5) August 24th, 2023 - Trump finally returns to π posts his mug shot
@realDonaldTrump - Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump For President 2024
Certified Website of Donald J. Trump For President 2024. America's comeback starts right now. Join our movement to Make America Great Again!
donaldjtrump.com
@KettlebellDan - Dan
(2/5) July 13th, 2024 - Elon posts video of Butler Rally and fully enforces President Trump https://t.co/1UiOchd7tE
@elonmusk - Elon Musk
I fully endorse President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery https://t.co/ZdxkF63EqF
@KettlebellDan - Dan
(3/5) July 21st, 2024 - President Biden posts a letter announcing he is standing down as the democratic nominee https://t.co/Q9H8aSdcRR
@KettlebellDan - Dan
(4/5) July 21st, 2024 - 30 Mintues later Biden announces he is endorsing Kamala Harris https://t.co/hOueDayjmN
@JoeBiden - Joe Biden
My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And itβs been the best decision Iβve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats β itβs time to come together and beat Trump. Letβs do this.
@KettlebellDan - Dan
(5/5) November 4th, 2024 - Just a day before the election Joe Rogan releases podcast with Elon Musk and endorses Trump https://t.co/9cV8CCNZSC
@joerogan - Joe Rogan
The great and powerful @elonmusk. If it wasn't for him we'd be fucked. He makes what I think is the most compelling case for Trump you'll hear, and I agree with him every step of the way. For the record, yes, that's an endorsement of Trump. Enjoy the podcast https://t.co/LdBxZFVsLN
Video Transcript AI Summary
The discussion revolves around the impact of video games on mental focus and stress relief, highlighting how intense gameplay can provide a calming effect. The conversation shifts to the benefits of gaming for skills like manual dexterity, drawing parallels to studies showing surgeons who play video games make fewer errors. The speakers express concern about the increasing dominance of one political ideology and the potential loss of democracy, emphasizing the importance of free speech and the dangers of overregulation. They discuss the need for a balanced approach to tariffs and the complexities of manufacturing. The conversation concludes with a call to action for men to vote, stressing that the upcoming election is crucial for preserving individual liberties and democracy.
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Speaker 0: Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan experience.
Speaker 0: Join by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. But if if if if if you wanna sort of see, like, a a vision of the future, it's, like, basically, the the, like, the top 20 and the or even the top 100 is, like, totally dominated by China.
Speaker 1: Hey. Really?
Speaker 0: Yeah. This is, like, China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan.
Speaker 1: So you in are you in the top 20 in the world? The top 20? Wow. In Diablo?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you wanna tell everybody your handle? No. No. Don't tell them. Don't tell them.
It's not worth it.
Speaker 0: Well, they they they actually listed me with my actual name in the in the list.
Speaker 1: Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting.
Speaker 0: But, yeah, there's only there's only 2 Americans in the top 20. The rest almost everyone is from Asia otherwise.
Speaker 1: We were talking about something that I think is a really good one because people always think that video games are frivolous. But what what you were saying, I think, that's really important is it it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that and it can, like, relieve stress. Yeah. It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard. Yeah.
You can only think about that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, if I, like, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then, I have to concentrate fully on the game, and it's it's it has a calming effect. Yeah. It sort of chills down. And, I mean, you mentioned, I think, and many people would like, if you play martial arts or you play pool Yes.
Like, something that that forces you it's it's like, I think any anything that forces you to concentrate fully, actually has a has a calming effect. I might have just sort of like, kind of a mental restoring effect mentally. Yeah. It's like it's good.
Speaker 1: Jujitsu is like that. Yeah. Archery is like that as well. Yeah. Like, when you're shooting a a bow, you have to it's there's so many moving things and you're trying you have to think only of it and it cleans the mind.
Speaker 0: It cleans the mind. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: I was watch I was reading a study about surgeons
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.
Speaker 0: Well, it's I mean, video games require manual dexterity. So, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Completely makes sense.
Speaker 0: I actually if if somebody was, like, ever good video games, I'd I'd say, like, the the surgical skills are gonna be very good because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games
Speaker 1: Look at this. 32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and scored 26% better overall than their non player colleagues.
Speaker 0: Oh, I believe that's
Speaker 1: true. Incredible.
Speaker 0: Well, then
Speaker 1: the That you should be required in medical school to play video games.
Speaker 0: I I if if somebody is, like, top a top rank video game player and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be, like, plus plus 1, plus 2 type of thing.
Speaker 1: Top rank for sure. But this isn't even top rank. This is just people who play.
Speaker 0: Well, your your manual dexterity has to be extremely high. So you're you're looking at things on screen. You've got you're reacting, and and there's some you got, like, 10 milliseconds to react.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And and and so if somebody's got, incredible reaction times and manual dexterity, they're obviously gonna be a good surgeon.
Speaker 1: Imagine if there was a course that you could take. That course would promote you would be 26% better.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everyone would have to take that course.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course? You didn't take this course. Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better? Sure.
You would have to take it. Everyone should have to play video games
Speaker 0: Yeah. If
Speaker 1: you wanna be a surgeon.
Speaker 0: Well, I think it would be certainly would be a very good test to see if if somebody can't play video games well. Like, that means I mean, because you gotta move both hands simultaneously. Right. You gotta react to something very fast than, on the screen. So and and if if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose game.
Right. So if somebody's like has a good rank in video games, I would say that their manual necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good. Well, it's so hard. Skills have to be excellent.
Speaker 1: If you think about, like, StarCraft or any any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being.
Speaker 0: Yeah. There has
Speaker 1: to be something exceptional about you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Actually, for for I mentioned Quake, way way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.
Speaker 1: I know we talked about this. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I loved Quake.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. And and my final semester in college, I probably put more time to Quake than all my college classes.
Speaker 1: When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys, and they had a LAN set up at the studio where they all played Quake. I had never played video games. Yeah. And I would go in with the writers and just kinda hang out with them.
We'd get silly, and then we would we'd all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other. And I got addicted, like, hardcore. I got
Speaker 0: a t
Speaker 1: one line installed in my house. Yeah. I went hardcore.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. Checking how many milliseconds of latency you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers. I was going to Fry's hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together. And, you know, it was too much of a time suck, though.
Yeah. I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved. Like, I can't play golf.
Speaker 0: No. It's too golf is too slow for me. I mean, I know a lot of people find golf good. And I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's I guess if you're saying you're gonna walk outdoors with friends Yeah. And occasionally hit a ball, then and and you just and as an outdoor walk, then that's cool.
And this requires concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it it's it's it's, it's that's too slow for me.
Speaker 1: Nothing compares to video games in terms of, like, the amount of feedback
Speaker 0: you get. Like, the the the
Speaker 1: the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large high resolution screen. You have a fast computer. You have headphones on. And you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you, and rockets are flying by you.
Speaker 0: And Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's there's nothing like that. Yeah. But I think golf still is like Jamie will tell you, Jamie's an addict. He's a golf nut. It's super addictive, and it takes, like, 8 hours a day.
Speaker 0: It's yes. Once you get into golf, I think I guess any sport, it gets super addictive. So but but for me, the the the I think the intent the intensity of video games is, hard to beat.
Speaker 1: Yes. It's and the people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time. But we're showing, like, real world benefits of people playing video games. Yeah.
Speaker 0: If you wanna be a drone operator, it's
Speaker 1: the only game in town. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's really good at video games.
Speaker 0: Yeah. For sure. So, in fact, I I can actually tell, like, what my mental acuity is if I just play if I play a very hard video game? So if I'm trying to sort of get, like, a an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, or or, you know, a first person shooter, whatever the case may be. Like, if I can tell that I'm tired, or my brain's not working as well as it should.
It's like a it's like a mental calibration. You can tell immediately, like, what is what how good is your mental state? Right. Right. And, you know, so it's like like if you're trying to play really well, like I just if you play late at night and you're tired, you just play badly.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And you can say, okay. You you may you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't. Yeah. You play the video game and you're like, you suck. So okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're putting it under stress. Yeah. You're you're really stress testing it.
Speaker 0: You stress test it and Yeah. Because, like, sometimes, like, oh, I think I think I'm fine. But then you play the game, like, okay. I'm not I'm, like, I'm, like, 10% below what I should be.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about workouts for sure. Like, that's how I knew I had COVID or I knew everyone in my family had COVID. And
Speaker 0: I was
Speaker 1: trying to not get COVID. And so I was working out. I was like, something's up. Like, I felt fine normally. But then during exercise, I was like, okay.
I can tell there's something wrong here. So let's just, like, back off and relax.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like people who don't stress test their mind, they think they're operating on the same level all the time. Like, sometimes I come in here, and I can't form a fucking sentence.
Speaker 0: And I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is going on? Yeah. So it's just
Speaker 0: like Sleep's not maybe, like, what sleep wasn't that good or something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Something like that. Or I'm too busy, and it's just it's not. The words aren't coming out.
Like, I know how to talk. I talk professionally, and I can't fucking talk. It's like
Speaker 0: I mean, sleep is is is massive. I mean Huge. Yeah. So, if I can tell immediately, did I get a good night sleep or not? If if I just play, like, video game for, like, 5 minutes.
Yeah. I'm like, okay. My sleep wasn't that good, because it's my my, you know, and then sometimes they don't your brain will recover through the day and it's like, okay, like an hour or 2 after waking up, it's better. Yeah. Because your brain does kinda recover from bad night's sleep a little bit during the day.
Do you
Speaker 1: know what really helps? Creatine, apparently. Does it? Yeah. Creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not.
There's a lot of, like, benefits of creatine that are really weird.
Speaker 0: Are there any downsides?
Speaker 1: No. No. It's a natural part of food. Yeah. Yeah.
Especially women. For for women, apparently, especially postmenopausal women, it's very beneficial.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And, there's but there's a lot of, like, cognitive benefits. And one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep deprived.
Speaker 0: Oh.
Speaker 1: Mental performance when sleep deprive increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.
Speaker 0: Is creatine naturally occurring in, like, steak? Or
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, like, naturally occurring in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's primarily an animal based thing. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But, like, I I did switch to, like, steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's like a power up. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
Speaker 1: And you do like, carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and
Speaker 0: the crash.
Speaker 1: Totally. The rise and the crash. You stay flat if you eat, like, a a primarily high protein, high fat diet. Yeah. Your body runs off ketosis,
Speaker 0: essentially. I mean, I I so I just have, like, steak and eggs, no no bread or or anything. Yeah. That's great. It's great, actually.
It's a power up, I'd say.
Speaker 1: People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's that's rubbish. It's not true. Bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's hot bullshit.
Speaker 0: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon.
Speaker 0: The the the animals are not gonna make any difference to global warming. They can none.
Speaker 1: No. It's Russia.
Speaker 0: So for 0, is there nothing? Do you
Speaker 1: think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in, like, plant based meat products and things along those lines, green energy?
Speaker 0: I think it's part of it. You know, the it you're generally gonna get people pushing to avoid meat. Like, some people just, you know, maybe they've got a financial interest. Maybe they're just, like, vegetarians or vegans or whatever. Ideological reasons.
Ideological reasons. But, it's not gonna make any difference, to global warming or, you know, the CO two concentration atmosphere really, if if people eat pure, steaks. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Irrelevant.
I wanna just be super clear about that. Yeah. Will not matter you will not even be able to measure it. Okay? That's how irrelevant it is.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that that's Unmeasurable.
Speaker 0: Irrelevant. A
Speaker 1: heretic speaking. Like, that's crazy talk now. Nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat. That meat is bad.
Speaker 0: Totally, as much meat as you want. It's not gonna make a difference. Sing it. Sing it.
Speaker 1: Tell the world.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely. And if somebody says it does make a difference, I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you can't even measure it, then it's bullshit. Yeah.
Yeah. Literally, I won't be able to measure it.
Speaker 1: Well, there is so much bullshit out there. First of all Yeah.
Speaker 0: It's bullshit in all directions.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for buying Twitter.
Speaker 0: You're welcome. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. You're welcome. I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you made a fork in the road.
We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of
Speaker 0: narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they
Speaker 1: were able to do back when they had newspapers and, you know, Yeah. And when you had a combined government effort, like, what Yep. The what they were doing with the laptop story.
Speaker 0: Yep.
Speaker 1: We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation. Yeah. Take it off offline.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And
Speaker 1: Twitter complied. Yeah. If we if you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea.
Speaker 0: Exactly. No. It's I mean, the the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned, since I I was, like, the most interacted with, user on Twitter before the acquisition. So before the acquisitions, I had more interactions than then like, there's some accounts like Obama or whatever had higher follower accounts, but, I had the most number of interactions of of any account in the system. So, I was very attuned to, like, if if they saw change if they change the system, I can tell immediately.
Like and I'm like I'm like, something weird is going on here. You know? Like Yeah. So there's, like I I just got increasingly uneasy. And obviously, when when they deplatformed a setting president, you know, not they de de deplatformed Trump, that was that was just insane.
You know, and and and the things he was posting, like, he was posting things that that, like, he he was posting good things. He was saying, like, hey, do we don't do not riot. Don't don't do any destruction of property. You know, please stay calm. That that's the kind of stuff he's posting.
Yeah. And you're like, what's wrong with that? That's and and then then then some people said, like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle. He means the opposite. I'm like, okay.
So we'll give you Trump's account. Now you you post what you think you should post because you can post nothing. You can ask people to calm down. Like, what? It was insane.
Like, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. That's crazy.
Speaker 0: And crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Crazy. Don't you think they will listen to him? Yeah. Isn't that the whole point?
They listened to him and created violence in the first place? That's what you think. That's what
Speaker 0: you're Exactly.
Speaker 1: You're accusing him of.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: We know that for a fact.
Speaker 0: This is
Speaker 1: not that that was always the big Alex Jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests. We I believe we're in Seattle in the nineties, and they sent in agent provocateur, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden, a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful. Right. They move in the cops.
They shut everything down. They had it set up where it was a no protest zone, where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work. So you couldn't protest. You couldn't exercise your first amendment rights.
You couldn't even, like, have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car. You couldn't have that. It's crazy.
Speaker 0: It's crazy. So no. I think we're we we're very much at a fork in the road in, destiny. And, you know, so so I I mean, the reason I, yeah, did the quarter acquisition was like it's like, man, if if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue.
Speaker 1: Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was gonna do it because it wasn't a financial winner. It was kind of a crazy move.
Speaker 0: It's a crazy move. I mean, the thing was way overpriced, and, you know, like, long long term, I think, we can we know ultimately make it a win for investors. But, boy, this is this is a this is a hard way to make a living.
Speaker 1: Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it. There's a concerted effort to with the advertisers.
Speaker 0: Well, we we we had a I still have a, a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left wing NGOs. Like, you know, and and you you always want and I should have brought I should have brought my, I I have a hat make all well fiction again.
Speaker 1: I've seen that hat.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I should have brought I was gonna wear my I should have brought my make all well fiction hat again. But but, yeah. I mean, it's just totally totally nuts. So If you didn't do
Speaker 1: it, no one would have. And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad business man. Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it. No.
It wasn't worth that in the first place.
Speaker 0: It wasn't worth them in the first place.
Speaker 1: It wasn't worth $44,000,000,000, you fucking morons. Yes. Like, wrong. And, also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: That's total bullshit.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. So there are these organizations wait. Now you can tell there's, like, they're like like when they have an Orwellian name. So, like, like, the Center For Countering Digital Hate
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Is is a total scam organization, you know, because they're like the ministry of truth type of thing in in Orwell. You know, they're they're they're like they're they're a censorship organization. Yeah. And they organize and and they pushed, the advertisers to boycott. So we still have like, some of the boycott is is is starting to lift.
And, I think if Trump wins, we'll we'll see, you know, probably a lot most most of the boycott lift. But if if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger. And and they'll they'll freaking shut down. There's no way that that, the sort of Kamala Kamala public regime would allow X to exist.
Speaker 1: You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though? Is there a pathway to that?
Speaker 0: Yes. What would they do? Well, I mean, they can just they can sic the DOJ on, you know, and say, like you know, they've had this whole thing about, like, hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're they're the ones pushing the misinformation. But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like, the DOJ has, you know, been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the US.
So we're we're we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is an exam just an example of what DOJ can do.
Speaker 1: So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen? For for
Speaker 0: SpaceX, is considered an an advanced weapons technology. So it's it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States. So, like, if North North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: That would be bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That'd be really bad.
Speaker 0: That'd be really bad. So so we're we're since we are in, like, the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident Because the presumption, is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're gonna return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them. So that's and so so it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a either has not a pro they can they can be have a green card or be a citizen. They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States. Then there's another law that says if you if you discriminate against asylum seekers, that's also you're also breaking the law.
So they they just the so they the DOJ was not the DOJ DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year. They launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX, saying that SpaceX, discriminated against asylum seekers. And we're like, but we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. So we're in this this is what I mean. It's like, Orwell the Orwell situation is getting insane.
Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. So you're damned.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine history looking back Looked
Speaker 0: up, man.
Speaker 1: At when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize, like, this is, like, one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace. Like, it is one of the wildest accomplishments. Yeah. When you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly, like, holy shit. Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company.
Yeah. How insane it is.
Speaker 0: Big lawsuit with an army of lawyers. Like, this was not, like, some minor thing. But it doesn't even make any sense. Why do you say,
Speaker 1: like, how can it even get brought to court if it's illegal?
Speaker 0: That's exactly. So that that's what I mean. Like like like, basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason. It's like that famous quote, from Beria. You know, like, so like, Stalin's, like, chief torturer the head of stall Stalin's secret police and he's, like, chief chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria.
He his his one of his famous quotes was show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Right. They just they just they they, like, they decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target.
They just figured out the crime afterwards.
Speaker 1: Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.
Speaker 0: They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Openly. Openly.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, the the the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again, they and and it's like look. I understand, like, politicians are gonna, you know, exaggerate. They're gonna misspeak. And they'll tell occasional, you know, untruths, whatever.
That's that's how it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second. Like, come on, man. This is too this is too far.
Speaker 1: And you're supposed to be the good guys.
Speaker 0: You're supposed to and you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the progressives.
Speaker 0: Yes. The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys. We're the honest people. No. No.
Hang on. You can't claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately post pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly. Yeah. We're not just Even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says us bogus.
Yeah. Like the fine people hoax.
Speaker 1: Obama just said that on stage.
Speaker 0: Just said that. I was like, what the flying fuck?
Speaker 1: He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. They're just they're just
Speaker 0: That's a goddamn fucking lie.
Speaker 1: Flat out lie. Flat out fucking lie. About the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women and, from illegal immigrants?
Speaker 0: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You remember that? The he Yeah. What he was saying is whether the women like
Speaker 0: it or not, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose, whether women like it or not. Like, that's not what he was saying.
Speaker 0: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border.
Speaker 0: Yes. Exactly. They'll they'll take, like like, not even a full sentence, like, a half a sentence from us. And then and then I'll push it on on every ad, every, you know, every speaking event,
Speaker 1: every meeting. Repeated on the news. Yes. This is what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these new shows.
Quote new shows.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I mean, a recent one that that came up, which had a lot of people because I a lot a lot of people reached out to me was like they're they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter bullshit. What is
Speaker 1: It's not what he said
Speaker 0: at all. He he all he said was like it was like what he's saying is that, look, if if Liz Cheney, actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war. Exactly. That, like, it's easy to go it's easy to go to war, it's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to, you know, risk dying at the front lines. Like, if other like, basically, it's fucked up if if people are having, like, fancy dinners in Washington DC, while people are being slaughtered in trenches.
You know? It's like you're not feeling the pain.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 0: You're not taking the risk. It's someone else dying. Exactly. That's like it's that's that's cruel and lacking in empathy. And and all Trump was saying was that it's like Liz Cheney would be much Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if, she actually had had to go to the front lines and fight herself.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, they're saying that he should he's saying she should be shot.
Speaker 0: Yes. Which is a total lie. And But I had, like, tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's gonna put Liz Cheney in a firing squad. Like, that is an outrageous lie. And Legacy Media ran with that lie big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's crazy. It's it's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff.
Speaker 0: I think
Speaker 1: I think it would be very difficult for you. I think YouTube throttled. They did something weird. They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did Yeah. Where you couldn't find it.
Speaker 0: It doesn't make sense. Like like Made no sense. I mean, it's like the big it was like the biggest interview on Earth. Yeah. And you can't find it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Not only that, it wasn't trending. Bullshit. It wasn't trending.
Speaker 0: It wasn't trending.
Speaker 1: It wasn't trending.
Speaker 0: You're like like, there's just no excuse for that, man. No excuse. There's no excuse.
Speaker 1: It was getting a 1,000,000 views.
Speaker 0: 1 point what was it? 1.4 an hour at one point in time? 1.5. 1.5 an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it wasn't trending.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like And and it's like it's like it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not it's not like it it was started yesterday. It's like Yeah. It's like this is a high trust yours is a high trust channel.
It's like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins or something. You know? So
Speaker 1: Well, thank God we put it on x as well.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70,000,000 views.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: True. They would have they've they've banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that are colored outside the lines. They would have done that everywhere, and it it probably would have I think even at what's going on at Facebook, they're they're being more lenient. You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance.
That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kinda moved the watermark.
Speaker 0: Exactly. So as soon as as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful to to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious. Yes. Yes. And you know, the the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.
You know, if if somebody thinks, you know, it's oh, you know, Trump said that that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let let let me send you a link to x so you can watch his video. That's the best way. Yes. It's it's don't don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it.
Go to the source material.
Speaker 1: And community notes.
Speaker 0: Yes. And community notes is awesome.
Speaker 1: Is the best.
Speaker 0: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Yeah. Because everybody gets checked.
Speaker 0: Yes. Including me. Yeah. And with community notes, the all the software is open source, and all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah. That's how it's a bit that's how it should be.
Speaker 0: Total, absolute transparency in every way. You know, sometimes I get I get asked, like, oh, Yolande, can you remove a note? You know, mostly by the left, but not by the right. I'm like I'm like, I don't even remove remove notes on my own account. Nothing.
And and and by the way, everything is totally open. So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately. Like, it's not gonna be subtle.
Speaker 1: That is the best counter to misinformation.
Speaker 0: Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Like, let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual fact says.
Speaker 0: Yes. Exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information.
Speaker 1: Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.
Speaker 0: Yes. And and just and like I said, like, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material. You know, so it's like, look at what someone actually said. Look at what someone actually did.
Look at the real videos of the situation, and and then you can actually you'll know what's real.
Speaker 1: So as of today, when you were illiterate on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail Yeah. Pennsylvania. Tell me what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. So we're we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, you know, I've been I've I've given a whole bunch of talks in, throughout this the the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So, so I've been giving to and I spent 3 years in Pennsylvania.
I went to college in in Philadelphia. So, so it's not like I'm not a total I'm not, like, a total stranger to the state. You know, I spent 3 years there. And, and and and we, you know, we we we organized this petition in support of the constitution, which I think is a good thing, and and specifically, asking people to, and and and we wanted this to be, like, registered voters in swing states. Like, basically, we wanna send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the constitution because there have been all these attacks on the constitution.
They've been especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that that the that the first amendment is an obstacle. Because and and they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is is is enabling disin disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment. Like, freedom of speech, the reason they they found us the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the first amendment exists.
And the second amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The second amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech. You know, you know, and I I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they they're they're like, won't take your guns away. And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the government that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States? Can you can you make that guarantee?
But, like, well, nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's the that's what's gonna stop it.
Speaker 1: That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that, but that's the reality of the world that we live in is that tyranny is possible, and it exists other places, and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're you're seeing, I I think the the number of people that have been arrested for just social media, posts is bananas. It's in the thousands.
Speaker 0: Yes. Several 1,000 people have been have been given prison sentences sentences in the UK for social media posts that where there was no explicit link to actual violence. But they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post? Well, no.
But they they just and and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK, so that they'll quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening in Britain. That is so wild. Like, it's you're like, what what what the fuck, you know, is going on?
Speaker 1: And what's insane to me
Speaker 0: Make oil fiction again. Yeah. You know?
Speaker 1: But it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry. John Kerry John Kerry
Speaker 0: was one of the people who said that he's on camera, like, a few weeks ago saying that the First Amendment is a prob is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. You have a solution and something that that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or 2.
Speaker 0: And and even without a community note, you can reply to a post and with with evidence that that that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. Yes. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.
Speaker 1: But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it. People are gonna die.
People are gonna we're gonna ruin the world because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument.
Speaker 0: It's a stupid argument.
Speaker 1: Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. Yes. If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that?
Speaker 0: Exactly. And and obviously anyone on on the X system, knows that things were posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Right. You know, when when if, you know, some broadcast media pop they they they they sit stay say false things all the time, but it's a one way street.
There's no rebuttal. There's no counter.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never gonna get COVID? It won't the virus stops with you?
Speaker 0: No. Never.
Speaker 1: Never. No one ever it's just it was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda, and she said it. The Russiagate hoax.
The for 3 fucking years, they said that he was Putin's toy
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And that Putin had him compromised, the Steele dossier.
Speaker 0: Steele dossier was completely fabricated by, a lawyer at Perkins Koy, who was paid by the Clinton campaign, literally. Crazy. And still people think the Russian hoax is real.
Speaker 1: And there's no repercussions. There's no one had to apologize. Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that, and people still listen to her.
Speaker 0: The whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 1: And it's all coming from the left, which growing up as a a person who's in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 0: Same. I mean, I I I I even I I was on the left until, like, 3 years ago. Like, I I mean, you know, know It's
Speaker 1: not the left anymore.
Speaker 0: It's not the left anymore. It's just, like, I think we obviously want I mean, I I believe, like, we want freedom. Like like, we want we want to maximize personal liberty. And we want we wanna be kind to people, you know, we wanna have empathy, and, but but it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit based society. And the left is is wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech, and they wanna they wanna have a non merit based society, you know, with race based and sex based preferences.
And it's like, well, wait a second. No. We we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.
Speaker 1: And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they wanna do things that people don't want them to do. Yeah. And they wanna silence opposition. That's all it is.
And the fact that people can't see that and they wanna call Trump a fascist,
Speaker 0: well, the whole thing is I'll say it's just it's just
Speaker 1: through the looking glass.
Speaker 0: It's just I mean, it's like one hoax after another what that that they're portraying against Trump. I mean, like, they try to call the the rally at Madison Square Gardens like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo. There was, like, literally an Israeli flag in the audience. I think, like, a quarter of the speakers were Jewish.
Like, there was, like, there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that at that rally. Like, tell me what about that is Nazi? No. And and yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally.
Speaker 1: Well, MSNBC, they they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from 19 thirties and then compared it to the Trump rally. Now ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there.
Speaker 0: There there have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Gardens. Dozens, on the on the Democrat side. Like, people people on x were like, and here's exactly here's Jimmy Carter and here's
Speaker 1: And a Nazi rally.
Speaker 0: And here's wait a second. Actually, it looks like, every presidential candidate has done a, on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Garden. So all they nazis too.
Speaker 1: But what they're doing is they're preying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything.
Speaker 0: And Exactly. Yeah. Like, people are living if if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on x, and and seeing the the actual flow of argument Yes. And the actual evidence.
Speaker 1: Well, what was the pushback? Like, what happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and and on discourse. Because when when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual Yeah.
Speaker 0: All the time.
Speaker 1: They did the same thing to Facebook. They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They they suppressed the views by 50%
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Of factual information.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. There there was massive government interference in Twitter. But but, like, Twitter welcomed it. It that's important to all Twitter welcomed it.
I mean, all Twitter was controlled by by far left activists. Yeah. So, and and, they they welcomed the government interference. The government they got paid by the government for it.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. They got paid for their time. Correct?
Speaker 0: Yeah. They got paid 1,000,000 of dollars for for suppressing information.
Speaker 1: So it's like bill and time much
Speaker 0: of it was, like, federal legal. Like, the f FBI had this, like, this this this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system, and and the but all of the communication in that in sort of in this portal was auto deleted after 2 weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we don't even know what was said because it was auto deleted after 2 weeks.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that that was okay.
Speaker 0: It's not it's super not okay.
Speaker 1: No. It's super not okay. It's unconstitutional, and no one would want that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly.
And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? Like, you had to anticipate that there was gonna be problems when you when you released that. Like, what was what happened?
Speaker 0: Well, we got a lot of we we did lose a lot of advertising dollars, and,
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because it's essentially, like, one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption.
Speaker 0: Yes. I mean, this is the weird weird thing. It's like the left used to be, big big on exposing government corruption, but now but once they control the government, they no longer wanna expose the government corruption.
Speaker 1: Right. They wanna pretend that the left wing government's incapable
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Of corruption. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Because we're
Speaker 1: on the good side.
Speaker 0: I I think it may be just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the, you know, the other side heard. Because as you pointed out, like, the left, historically, it about until, I don't know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like that, was the free speech party. And now it's the anti free speech party. And they just they they use they use words like like, oh, well, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation. But these are propaganda words.
You know? It's like, well, who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation? The government. Do you really trust the government to make that definition?
You wish the whole point of the of the first amendment is, like, you do not trust the government.
Speaker 1: Well, especially when they're wrong. And there's no repercussions.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. Like with the whole lab leak theory, if
Speaker 1: you get you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released. Yep. Hey. Maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started. What do you think, guys?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did it kick you right off of YouTube?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yes. Exactly. It's like, do you think maybe the it could have come from a place called the novel Coronavirus Research Institute?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that John Stewart bit that you don't call there? That was amazing.
Speaker 0: What does it say on the door again? Can I see your business card? And to cynical bear, like, resisting you with every fiber of his Yeah. They're like, what's gonna happen to us? You know?
Speaker 1: He was totally cock blocking the bit to the point where John Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to That
Speaker 0: was wild man.
Speaker 1: Control. Yeah. And Good on John.
Speaker 0: And then the left tried to cancel John Stuart. Of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Meanwhile, he was right. He's right. And no apologies. No apologies.
Yeah. And, you know, the whole Fauci thing. Like, any criticism of Fauci. It's like anti science.
Speaker 0: Freaking demon if you ask me.
Speaker 1: If you read RFK's book Yeah. The real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could find the sources. And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: So the guy's a monster.
Speaker 0: I think so. Yeah. I think so too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain of function research to Rand Paul.
Speaker 0: But he I think a lot maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the the the the the bioweapons research that was going on in in Wuhan. And he he bank shot it off. Like, he can't send the money directly to China. He just bank shot it off EcoHealth. Right.
This is, like, fake nonprofit in the US, and they sent it to Wuhan.
Speaker 1: And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014.
Speaker 0: I mean, so, you know, to to give Obama throw Obama give Obama some credit, he actually was, like, looking at this to say, hey, this is crazy. And, and we we need we and he so he he actually did, stop the the this, like like, the the so called gain a function again, a propaganda word, because what is the function they're talking about? Death. Right. Right.
So if you if you if you actually use the right word, this is Gander function is death maximization. Right. Then you're like, oh oh, hey, guys. Should we fund, bioethrin research into death maximization because that's what gain of function means. Yeah.
It means That's the function.
Speaker 1: Make gain a disease so that people can get it. Give it to people. Yes. And, oh, by the way
Speaker 0: What's that function again? Oh, the function is death? Oh, okay. So just
Speaker 1: call it
Speaker 0: a death maximizing virus. If you're doing research
Speaker 1: on that and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure?
Speaker 0: Start with a start with a cure. Cure first, disease second.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. Like, you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out. And so you have to, like, make up this this new vaccine in, like, record time, operation warp speed, release it to the people with very little testing. Fucking crazy.
Speaker 0: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: The whole thing's crazy. Nobody just went along with it.
Speaker 0: Lunitude is next level.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the psyop was fascinating to watch people step in line.
Speaker 0: Like one of the biggest ops of all time.
Speaker 1: Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. And everybody got in line. And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 19 nineties, that changed everything.
We're one of 2 countries in the whole world that allows this. Yeah. And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things that are not supported by data, like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children, all of its bullshit.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And they pushed it on the whole world. And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah. Yes. And you were an anti vaxxer.
Speaker 0: Totally psycho.
Speaker 1: It was like being a holocaust in our you get kicked out of polite society. Exactly. Fucking bananas.
Speaker 0: And I should say, like, I'm I'm actually generally pro vaccine overall. You know, I think we should look at these things. That that but that but I I believe in the scientific method. Yeah. So so you you you never blanket accept anything.
You never blanket accept that any any given medication or any given treatment is is is 100% good. You should always be with some skepticism.
Speaker 1: Especially when you're getting the data pharmaceutical drug companies that have, like, a long history of
Speaker 0: credit They've got a vested interest. Conduct. Yes. Because they've they've got a vested interest in in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about, you know, whether smoking
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Is dangerous. You know? Exactly the same thing. According to our scientists, everything's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They lied in court forever. The same thing they do with OxyContin
Speaker 0: when
Speaker 1: they said that it wasn't addictive. Like, they have a long history of being full of shit if it makes them money, and that's what they do. That's their business.
Speaker 0: They've literally lost $1,000,000,000 lawsuits in this Massive.
Speaker 1: They're in the you have amazing scientists. Right? You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these incredible drugs, and they this is their job. Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop thing, and then you have the money people.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, Then they have this other faction that they're all just numbers people. Yep. And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And making sure they literally have, an obligation to their shareholders. Yeah. They have to make the most amount of money possible. And so they just wanna push it on everybody. Regard like, the Vioxx scandal.
There's internal emails showing they knew there was gonna be cardiovascular events. People were gonna get strokes.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they're like, I think we're still going to do well. And they did. They made, like, $12,000,000,000 They got fined 7, and 50 to 60 1,000 people died.
Speaker 0: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of them was a friend of mine. Got a stroke.
Speaker 0: And died?
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. He didn't die. He lived, but he he was a really healthy guy.
Speaker 0: But he was, like, not the same actor as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He had knee problems. And he took Vioxx, and all of a sudden, he was slurring his words, and he couldn't concentrate. And people are like,
Speaker 0: I think you're having a fucking stroke.
Speaker 1: And they took him to the hospital. And then then you have this giant class action lawsuit, and then Vioxx gets pulled from the mark, and they get sued. And the whole thing's fucking crazy. But there's a long history of this. I think what did what is the number?
Like, 1 third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled? It's fucking bananas.
Speaker 0: That is crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You're shitty at 1 third of the things that you say are okay, but yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans?
Speaker 0: Yeah. They should let MDMA through, honestly. That I think they'll actually help a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It would help a lot of people. It would
Speaker 0: help a lot of people.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ibogaine. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fact that you have to go to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to have gone over there, and it's, like, completely given them a a clean slate and refreshed their mind and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions. Yeah. Illegal. Yeah.
Illegal. OxyContin, go get it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And I know some people who like, their their life was ruined by OxyContin.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: Because, I mean, it it it really depends on on, you know, somebody's individual biochemistry. Like, to me, like like, opioids are not addictive to me. Like, I you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and they they they don't they barely affect the my pain level, and they make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable. They make me stupid. Yeah.
They exactly. But but I'm like so so, like, like, I could never get addicted to alcohol or or opioids. It's just impossible. Like, it's because my biochemistry just does not have like, no. But I love tasty food.
I feel like, you know Yeah. You know, if if if there's I'm addicted to tasty food. Sure. But, like, there's there's a can be like, I have a whole wall of wall of alcohol. It's there for decoration.
Yeah. I have a dudgeon, basically.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I I could easily quit alcohol. Yeah. I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink. It doesn't bother me at all.
But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races. And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions.
I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it. I see it. I've seen it in people. But I'm I'm I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life. I I've I see that's why I've never tried cocaine.
I just saw too many people that it looks too fun. I kinda wanna get involved.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean I mean, I think, generally, for any given, drug, legal or illegal, you could the question is, can you complete the following sentence? Blank made me a better person. Meth. Like, I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person
Speaker 1: No. Ever. Made a lot of soldiers better, I think. That's
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, if you're doing Yeah. If if you're if you're like if your soldiers need to march for 3 days in a row. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just it's really Because they're
Speaker 0: as effective at that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I keep people give, like, France a hard time about, you know, capitulating in World War 2. But but you know what's what's worse than the Nazis?
Nazis on meth. Meth. Nazis. They're they're not stopping. Normally, they're they're like, 6 bullets.
They're like, they're they're still coming.
Speaker 1: That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines Yeah. And the different drugs that they gave their soldiers. The guys at the front of the line that gave the most meth. Yes. They have different dosages.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I mean, you you just basically think you're unvulnerable on meth. And, so so it's one thing we like to say. So one thing we, you know, have have, like, the Nazis come after you. But Nazis are on meth, you're like, holy shit.
Those fuckers are not stopping me.
Speaker 1: For 3
Speaker 0: days. They're not stopping.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a statement, meth made me a better person, that you hear very often.
Speaker 0: I've never heard that before.
Speaker 1: No. You hear a lot of, like, psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people that talk
Speaker 0: about psychedelics. Exactly. I've I've actually heard many people say that, LSD or or, you know, mushrooms or, MDMA made them a better person. Yeah. Many people.
Yeah. So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey. Look. If you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that, blank made you a better person, actually Yeah. Then then you got a good drug.
And if you you can't, you got a bad drug.
Speaker 1: Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, This the the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: You're you're you're it's basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true Yeah. And you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you. And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all the stuff that give you real data.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And the opposite of that or the counter that is like if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: That's the whole reason why they have all that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America. The demand is never going away. So instead of, like, limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs because Fentanyl and all this other shit is because they're not pure. So you're just killing people.
You're not saving anybody
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: By protecting them from themselves.
Speaker 0: True.
Speaker 1: But it's a tricky situation because what do you do? Like, if you just, like, say, okay. Now everyone can sell all these people that have been selling boner pills, now you could sell meth. Like, holy shit.
Speaker 0: You get you get the you get the the the the the double combo where where it's the Vigra it's the Vigra and the meth.
Speaker 1: Right. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Oh my god.
Speaker 0: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, how many people are already doing that right now with Adderall? You were arguing. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth.
Yeah. Especially people that abuse, Adderall.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They're basically amphetamine up all day long. Yeah. Adderall is low grade amphetamine. Yeah.
So, the and and and, like, I have actually seen people, like, become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like, much worse. You know, it's it's like an anger amplifier. So there are, now now I'm not saying like, Adderall is something, like, where there's there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear cut issue. Right.
It does help some people a great deal. And, but but in in higher doses, man, that that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on on high doses of metrol. Just they're they're they're just angry, like, extremely angry all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're messed up.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's that's what happens if you take meth. That's crazy. You turn it like, meth turns you into a freaking rage demon.
Speaker 1: And so and so many prescriptions.
Speaker 0: And I'm
Speaker 1: like, Jesus. We we Googled it. Like, 1 year, there was, like, 39,000,000 prescriptions for Adderall in this country.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, once in a while, there's, like, an Adderall shortage. I'm like, there's, like, watch widespread panic. You know?
And then what do people do? And then
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as, like, when they tried to, like, limit the amount of OxyContin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, your guy sells you weed, it's like, hey, man. I can get you, like, like, low grade meth, like, the stuff the Nazis took.
Speaker 0: Well, that that high grade meth. Actually, that pharmaceutical grade. It was for that epic that epic myth. It was, like, made by the like, pharmaceutical grade meth is gonna be the if like, this this the I mean, is I mean, just look at the freaking online Wikipedia page, but there's, like, many different versions of math. Like, they're all the same, and and they have different effects.
So but but, like, a pharmaceutical grade pure math, you are gonna be, oh my god, super productive super productive for a certain period of time. And and you're not gonna sleep for a while. And, and and then you you will you will have some anger management issues. So, like, they they actually the the the Nazis, they did actually, go roll back how much meth they were using because they had they had quite a few incidents of of the of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 0: They they were yeah. So they were shooting that to me, officer got dragged by the by the, you know, the the the platoon that was on too much meth because that that happened quite a few times. Like, you just when when someone's had a lot of meth, they're they're they're they're they're very they can get very angry.
Speaker 1: Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was, cooking meth in a lab in his backyard?
Speaker 0: I mean, McAfee is quite a character.
Speaker 1: He was a character.
Speaker 0: Character, man.
Speaker 1: We had him on the podcast when he was on the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from where was he? Costa Rica? Is that where he was? Belize.
Belize.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right. So when he was running from the authorities
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He called in. We had him on the podcast, On the Run. And, I was asking him about these posts, like, because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like, super sophisticated, making the best meth. Like, a super genius Yeah. Cooking meth.
I I mean, I think you're, like,
Speaker 0: you have like, he had this lab like, he was making, like, a wide range of drugs. And there was like, I I talked to, actually, like a a reporter, who who went down and like, interviewed him in Belize. And and of course, the man is one of the scariest things. He's he, like, he he was pure. He was quite terrified.
So, like, one of the things that McAfee he had, I guess, this trick where he would he would play Russian roulette with himself. So so he'd put a bullet in in the revolver, and they'd spin that spin the chamber. And clearly, he had, like, some, like, trick to, you know, know that it was not there's some, you know, way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But but I do wonder, like, if if McAfee is high and he does that, he's not always gonna get the trick right. You know?
Are you
Speaker 1: sure he had a trick?
Speaker 0: Or maybe Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. So so he so according to this reporter, when when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a put a a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed at his head and went click. And the report is, like, saying, please don't do this.
Like, this is insane. Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground, and Nicks went click bang and shot shot a bullet in the ground. Jesus. That's a hell of a potty trick. Jesus.
This is a next level potty trick. That's the
Speaker 1: guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times. Yes. Remember that scene?
Speaker 0: Yes. Where they were forcing Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that was a heavy scene.
Speaker 0: That was a heavy scene.
Speaker 1: De Niro and Christopher Walken. That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene just, like, clawing at my pants.
Speaker 0: Like Yeah. Whoosh.
Speaker 1: McAfee was a wild boy.
Speaker 0: Wild.
Speaker 1: And, you know, created brilliant antivirus software.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. He may have made some of the viruses too. Did
Speaker 1: he still? Well, didn't he, like, give laptops to a bunch of government organizations With viruses on them. Yeah. So that he could, like, pay attention to what they were doing.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy.
Speaker 0: I don't know what happened to him, but I he would be a guy that would
Speaker 1: be like, this guy is a little bit too loose.
Speaker 0: And probably had sensitive information. I don't know.
Speaker 1: For sure he did.
Speaker 0: I mean, I I found him to be an interesting guy. I mean, like, I'm generally, like, feel like like if somebody is not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now now there is some suggestion that McAfee, like, killed his neighbor in Belize.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He probably did. Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag.
Speaker 0: I think he probably did.
Speaker 1: Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed his
Speaker 0: dog. Yes.
Speaker 1: Right? And then it seems like he killed the neighbor Yeah. Allegedly.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean It seems it seems likely.
Speaker 1: It's not a zero possibility.
Speaker 0: It's not definitely not 0.
Speaker 1: It's It's
Speaker 0: seems more likely than not. He's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette.
Speaker 1: Hey. Maybe you killed your fucking neighbor.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them
Speaker 0: too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Somebody killed your squirrel. Yeah.
Speaker 0: John John Wick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The fucking squirrel thing is bananas.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That squirrel thing in New York? I I so the other thing about the the the whole squirrel thing is is that, how how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the, you know, the government can barge into your home with guns, so if you resist, you're gonna get shot, and then take your your pets and execute them. And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you?
Speaker 1: I know that it's not an exaggeration. Absolutely. It it sounds like you're you're, oh, that's so crazy. How can you make that connection? But it's that's No.
It's just Why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? Yeah. If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute.
Speaker 0: Yes. Absolutely. There's it was just obviously, it was a blood pet pet squirrel, and a raccoon too, and doing no harm, and the the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets, and kills them. And, you know, I I think this should this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because, you know, everything you say that, like, the John Wick movie, where John Wick's, like, you know, he he he wants to he just wants peace, like, you know, in in the in the John Wick movie. He just wants to he's like, listen, I wanna retire.
And they offer him, like, tons of money, like, to because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin. They're like they they like they they like offering tons of money. They threaten him. He's like, listen, I'm not gonna be I'm I'm I'm out, you know. And they kill his dog.
That was a bad idea.
Speaker 1: That was a really They killed a cute little puppy, and the puppy was his, ex wife's gift to him when she died of cancer.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Great movie.
Speaker 0: Great movie. It's the
Speaker 1: best revenge movie
Speaker 0: of all time
Speaker 1: because it's so ridiculous. He kills everybody.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He kills everyone.
Speaker 1: And you're rooting for him.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They shouldn't have killed his dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They fucked up. And they should have killed that squirrel.
Speaker 0: They shouldn't have killed that fucking that squirrel, I mean, it's like how many how many cases have we not heard about? You know?
Speaker 1: Aw. Look at that little guy. That squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy. He would hop all over him and climb on him. I mean, it was that was his pet.
That squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his his companion. Yeah. There was nothing wrong with that. And in Texas, it's totally legal. You can have a fucking zebra out here.
You can have whatever you want. And that's the argument for freedom. And, you know, the flip side is
Speaker 0: you get
Speaker 1: a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is not great. It's like
Speaker 0: this was a fucking squirrel. It's not it's not an anaconda or a Right. Or or or, you know, you know, crocodile or or something that's wrong.
Speaker 1: Or a chimpanzee. Did you see chimp crazy?
Speaker 0: Oh, man. Chimps chimps chimps will eat your face. Okay. Will
Speaker 1: fuck you up. They will fuck you up. And they don't even the thing is they don't even kill you. They just cripple you. Chimps don't even kill people
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart. Yes. They wanna leave you. They could kill you easily, but chimp wanna just punch you in the head until you're dead.
It wouldn't take long, but they don't kill you. They just rip you apart. Yeah. And you can have a chimp. And so well, I used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states, and then chimp crazy kind of exposed a lot of that.
And PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets. Because once they hit, like, 5, you can't control them anymore.
Speaker 0: Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got, you know, a creature that is dangerous to others. But, like, obviously, a a squirrel and a raccoon are not.
Speaker 1: Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere. That's what's so crazy. Like, why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, they're they're they're allowing criminals to go free and and, like, violent criminals to go free, but they're, like, spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets. What the hell is going on? Exactly. And and it's like
Speaker 1: But it's overreach.
Speaker 0: It's it's it's it's government overreach, and and this just keeps getting worse every year. And that's why that's why we we we we've we've gotta we gotta fight back against this. And, you know, it's people say, like, well, it's just a squirrel. Well, it was it was, you know, in John Wick's case, it was just a dog. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know? Well, remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog. It's just a fucking dog.
Speaker 0: Just a fucking squirrel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's the the funniest thing is when So It's just I just don't understand how anybody could justify it. I don't understand how any like, I it it seems to me that in a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, why don't you see me with this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, look. He he hops on me. He eats. He sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I keep keep a squirrel.
I can have a guinea pig. I can't have a squirrel. I can have a chinchilla. My daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable.
Adorable little thing. Climbs all over. Can't have a squirrel.
Speaker 0: Even if they if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they have released it into the words or something?
Speaker 1: Well, it's a bit the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage. It won't be able to, like, find a home. What happens then? Brutal.
Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each other out of trees, which is one of the reasons why squirrels, like, can fall from, like, 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live. It's like it's a natural adaptation because squirrels, during mating, they bite each other. They there used to be, like, a rumor. There was a a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off and
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: That that seems to be a myth, but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So, like, one female is just running away. I have squirrels in my backyard. I watch it all the time. One female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her.
So they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees to try to, like so if this poor little peanut, the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like, gets out there in the the wild world Well,
Speaker 0: fair enough, but at least I have a chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. At least you have a chance.
Speaker 0: But you have a chance.
Speaker 1: How about just leave him with the guy?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Leave him with the guy for sure.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were, like, actually posting that they're glad that MAGA squirrel got killed, which is fucking MAGA squirrel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like the fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's a cute little fluffy squirrel.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a nice symbol because most lot most, like, reasonable compassionate people think that's terrible. And most people who have pets
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Think it's terrible. Terrible.
Speaker 0: So I don't know. I mean, I'm like, I hope people just go out there and vote for Peanut Man. If nothing else if nothing else, just vote why you vote for peanut, you know.
Speaker 1: They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster. You know? They've taken the worst things that he's ever said and amp and he's not a perfect person, but guess what? No one's a perfect person. They don't exist.
This purity test like, if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage about that that, you know, very fine people hoax. The the there's Exactly. No one's gonna be a perfect person, but the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him, like, he can't be president, like, remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent?
Speaker 0: You know, I There's
Speaker 1: one thing that I'm that I am that you'll never be, president of the United States. You see Trump in the audience going, okay, motherfucker. No.
Speaker 0: The funny thing is I was actually, at that White House Correspondence dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right. Trump's there. He's there. He's actually supporting, you know, it's it's basically if you are the the the the widest correspondents, you know, you're there, in support, actually, of the president and support of the press.
Right. And, it's meant to be that you're roasting the president. Like, Trump's just there. He's, like, actually, you know, just he's, like, there as part of the support. And then they they turned it around and just started roasting Trump.
And he's just sitting there and, like, he's, like, yo, I just came to the dinner. I I wasn't I I I'm just here to support. You
Speaker 1: know? What it was because of. Right? The birther stuff.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what it all was. It was all Trump was at the head of a a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, then he's actually from Kenya. And what's weird is if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like, I think in his something from college that he was from Kenya.
But, you know, that could just be you know, people print things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya. But Trump was one of those guys that was, like, spreading that supposedly false rumor.
Speaker 0: Why is he pushing it hard? I mean, I Yeah. This is the kind of thing where I wanna just go and look at saying what what did he actually say.
Speaker 1: No. He definitely was.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: He was definitely saying, you know look. He I don't think he has the time to go into things, like, very deeply.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people come to him with some wild ass theory.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: He might be and I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss. And I think, there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and, you know, they tell you the Earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well but on that White House correspondent, I was there and the degree to which they attacked Trump in that in that, at that White House correspondent, it was really it was it was so over the top. It was like making everyone uncomfortable. Really? It was really over the top.
You know? I mean, I think, like, sort of a passing joke of, like, you know, a a few passing jokes are fine, but but they they twisted the knife big on Trump in in that. And and you could see Trump just getting, like, angrier and angrier and and more and more upset. I wonder if that's the case. Man, this is this is not good karma.
You know? That's that's what I was thinking at the time. I'm looking I'm looking at I was 2 2 tables away from Trump, and I'm looking. I'm like, man, this is this is too much. You know?
Speaker 1: Well, it's kinda crazy what what they've made out of that. Because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's gonna just keep trying. Like, what
Speaker 0: It was a big mistake to rag on him so so much with that White House correspondent.
Speaker 1: Well, just look at the way they've attacked him in with just using the legal system. Like, this thing in, New York where the 30 4 different felony counts
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are essentially misdemeanors. That there are bookkeep bookkeeping errors that they decided even though it passed the statute of limitations, they decided to try him for these. They didn't identify a felony.
Speaker 0: Abuse of the law is what's going on.
Speaker 1: But but most people would have quit. Yeah. Most people, after the E Jean Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones of their the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things. They getting kicked off at Twitter. Most people would have just like, this is too much.
I can't take this. But he's so fucking crazy. He's like, alright. Come on. We're going to war.
And he just digs his fucking heels in and keeps going. Yeah. It's it's the wrong guy to do that too.
Speaker 0: It it was the wrong guy to do that too.
Speaker 1: Attacking him at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Most people would have been humiliated. He got angry. And he's like, yeah? Alright.
You say I can't be president?
Speaker 0: I was think I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years. Right.
Speaker 1: Finally, I'm gonna run.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. That was a real bad move. But, yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand, like, making some jokes about, like, you know, a few sort of passing jokes on Trump. But, man, I was there at that dinner and and that they ragged on Trump so much.
It was insane.
Speaker 1: Do the reason why I would push back on that, because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers. Right? And Trump would obviously be a target. And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're gonna make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big. Yeah.
And most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory. So who the fuck is this guy saying this? And so you have 8 to 10 individual speakers that are writing monologues. Of course, they're all gonna hit Trump.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, anyway, obviously, it was a mistake. Yeah. They shouldn't have done that. And and, but I I invite people to watch that, the original source material.
And, I think a few jokes are fine. You know? It's like but but it's like he shouldn't be the like, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast. Yeah. Which is that's that's not the whole point of the thing is if the roast of the president, not the the audience.
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, like, he's easy to roast. Yeah. Yeah. And then on top of that, Obama was, like, loved and cherished by the left.
Speaker 0: Yes. And
Speaker 1: most of those people are on the left. There's only so far you can push. You know, you can't ask him about a chef. You know, there's, like, certain what happened with the chef, bro?
Speaker 0: I know.
Speaker 1: You can't it's, like, certain things you can't
Speaker 0: bring up. So do you wanna Is that
Speaker 1: guy was that guy a really good swimmer? Tell me what happened. Yeah.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: You you can't bring that up. Like, if you're gonna roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.
Speaker 0: Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's if you're doing one of those tests
Speaker 0: destroyed the servers and poured, like, bleach on the servers, like like computers. She poured bleach on them? That's what I saw. Yeah. That's what I believe.
Speaker 1: That's Wow.
Speaker 0: Like, it wasn't just, like, they took a hammer to it. They, like, destroyed the like, there was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing.
Speaker 1: What was in there?
Speaker 0: I mean, what That's what I I mean
Speaker 1: What was
Speaker 0: in there?
Speaker 1: What was in there?
Speaker 0: Why would they care so much?
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. Yeah. The whole thing And
Speaker 0: there was there was no there was no legal action against that, which was clear destruction of evidence.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that, he's going to destroy democracy. So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope. And then we're gonna this she's gonna be changed even though she's a sitting vice president. And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for, what, 12 or 16 years?
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy. Like, this is the change.
Speaker 0: True. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I I view this election as a turning point, like a fork in the road of destiny that is, incredibly important. You know, I've not I've not been politically active until this election. And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't if we don't elect Trump, I think we I think we will lose we will act we will lose democracy in this country.
We will we will lose the 2 party system, and let me explain why. So there's there's only, like, 6 6 or 7 swing states. The the the margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10 or 20000 votes. What the the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government, website.
Meaning, you don't take my word for it. You can just look look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats. And and what we're seeing is triple digit increases in the number of legals in every swing state. Some cases, 700% increases. These are these are gigantic numbers.
So if you if you have a state that was that went that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin, and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10 x the the you swamp the it's not a swing state anymore. It's going to vote blue. And then and then once the swing states vote blue, the the there there is no election anymore. It's there's only a Democrat primary.
Speaker 1: Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy people are fine with that.
Speaker 0: Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: They just wanna win. They just wanna win. Correct.
Speaker 0: The the, like, the thing is, like like, one does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives. If if the if the Democrat party wants to win, like, basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is is turn the swing states. Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory. And then we're 1 then we're a a one party state, and then they they will keep doing that, obviously.
They'll keep they will keep stacking the deck, by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening. If if and if you wanna see, like, well, is this actually gonna happen? Look at California. California is super majority dem.
70 percent dem. A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So you so so a friend of mine went to vote, in in, in Palo Alto because he was like, is this for real? He tried to show his ID, and that they reacted like a like like like if you show a cross to a vampire. Okay.
Speaker 1: They're like, no.
Speaker 0: We can't even look at that ID. It's it is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California.
Speaker 1: Why
Speaker 0: For any election at all, even like city council.
Speaker 1: What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law?
Speaker 0: The reason is to cheat.
Speaker 1: That's but the only it's only like, you can never make an argument any other way. And I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people.
Speaker 0: Yes. And and we are extremely rare. We're an outlier in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country on earth requires ID to vote. So so the the as soon as you make you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove.
Because how do you trace the fraud? Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's insane.
Speaker 0: It's insane.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 0: And What I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: How is it legal?
Speaker 0: Is that is that what I'm saying is, like, this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Everything they accuse Trump of, they are guilty of. And and if if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. And we will if if if the if the Kamala deep if the big government Carmelab puppet machine wins, they will legalize illegals in the swing states.
There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a a a guaranteed Democrat win, and it'll actually be worse than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California, like you and I did. We you and I used to be in California, but we moved to Texas. We're still in America.
But if if the Dems won this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states, and everywhere will be like California. There will be no escape.
Speaker 1: That is so insane.
Speaker 0: This is the final. This is it. This is the last chance.
Speaker 1: Has anybody tried to push back?
Speaker 0: Go out and vote. Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it because it does. This is the last chance, man.
Speaker 1: Is there is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?
Speaker 0: The the the left actually, interestingly, does does not wanna pick up much on this argument because it's because the more attention you the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true. Because you the you you just say, like, well, are the numbers correct? Have have are there really this many illegals that have been important to swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border.
They've been flown in. Flown in in airplanes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Using a shipping app.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. They made an app.
Speaker 1: Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here, like, shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in America, so you could legally be here, they know where you are. And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Asylum seekers. Come on in.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have an app. The and so
Speaker 0: you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: fly people in.
Speaker 0: They're literally being flown in Yeah. To the swing states. And the the so the reason that that I think left doesn't wanna, push back on this is because the more attention they get that this gets, the more people will realize it is true. Yeah. It is true.
That's why they don't that's why they're they're they're just pretending that they're pretending I'm not saying anything. But I'm like I'm like, yo, the the you're they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats. And and so now I'll gather a bottle of people who will say, like, well, you know, the these, illegals are they they don't have the same social values as the Democrat party because they're, like, more socially conservative. I'm like, yeah. But that's that's not the point.
The the if you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that their their their primary thing is is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in, and then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like like tons of benefits. More benefits than if you than than citizens, Literally. Yeah. So so that so you're they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits. They wanna get their friends and family in which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't, so they vote them.
And you can look empirically at California and say, like, did did they did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat.
Speaker 1: Well, Reagan Reagan gave them amnesty in the 19 eighties and that changed the the state basically except for Arnold. Changed the state entirely blue.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And Arnold was a exception because he was like a socially liberal famous guy.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were gonna vote Democrat in the first place. The the the whole thing is just it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's no. This can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Federman about it? Yeah.
He was completely in denial about it. I don't think there's that level of organization. I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 0: There's exactly. She's like, like, like, are because you can you can break it down to, like, are are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from homeland homelandsecuritygovernment.gov. Okay? Right.
So we got it from the dot gov web website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No. They have not. Those numbers, if anything, are are low.
So okay. So they have, in fact, flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Bypassing the border entirely. And, so that that is factually true. They can say, like, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Oh, okay. Overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states.
And oh, and and then well, do the Democrats actually want to fast track them for citizenship? Oh, yes. They do. There's you can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying at at a rally. So this year, we're saying he wants to fast track, and and make, all 11,000,000 or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible.
So the goal is to they they are fast tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can they can they they whether one thinks it's shitty or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.
Speaker 1: And for people on the left
Speaker 0: As this is actually happening, I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so. No. They can't. They can't.
They can't. Because it's true.
Speaker 1: Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for exam example. Yep. Like, they got screwed
Speaker 0: with, like, talk about an undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination Exactly. And they they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. That's what I was gonna bring up. Like, they they they control the primary process.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. So so so so, like, if you've got a then if you have a Democratic primary, it's not it's not Democratic. We just saw that. We we saw it with Bernie.
We saw it with Kamala. But, like, like, a week before Biden, you know, was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for long term. He's he's going Yeah. Yeah. He he's he's he's not giving up.
Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on x is is that that he's resigned from the race. Which is And and his staff didn't even know. Like, they're reading it on the X platform that that that, oh, okay. That's how they learned about it.
Speaker 1: What do you think happened there? How did they do that?
Speaker 0: They I mean, he's clearly just not not in charge, obviously.
Speaker 1: They could have used the 25th Amendment. Right?
Speaker 0: Fake president.
Speaker 1: But they would have had to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes. And so they made this decision to not do that. Well,
Speaker 0: the the the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And yet he's obviously not the boss.
Speaker 1: Right. So who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy, she she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live. She did that. She's so busy.
She's constantly campaigning. How could you be paying attention to international relations?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time? You you can't.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, Biden being the president's supposed to be the c the CEO, the the chief guy, and he was commander in chief. But it just obviously that that Biden was not. He was just a puppet. And and when the when the when the various puppet masses decided that that puppet is had, you know, it was no longer, useful, they just tossed out the tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala.
I mean, Kamala can't even talk. I mean, now you invited her on on your show. I think the the the the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going to your show and seeing what how what she says in hours 23.
Speaker 1: 23 is when things get spiky. 23.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm like, oh my god. You can hide for 20 minutes. You can hide for 20 minutes.
Speaker 1: You can hide for 20 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you you
Speaker 0: could just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she she she's just saying, like, non sequiturs, but eventually, she just runs out of even the run she runs out of non sequiturs. Well, they
Speaker 1: wanted to limit it to an hour.
Speaker 0: Exactly. That's why.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking of doing it initially. Before Trump came here first of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I I never had announced that Trump was coming. What I was gonna do is just release it. In my the way I like to do things, I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get big no matter what.
If Trump was on, it would have been huge. I'm I'm like, just put it out there. People go crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he, apparently, or someone from his organization someone on some loose lips, and then it got out. And so she contacted my management company. And she they her organization, her her campaign camp contacted us and said, would Joe have her on? I said, yes. And they said, she wants you to fly to where she is, and she's only willing to do 45 minutes.
Speaker 0: Only 40 I mean, that's both that's
Speaker 1: And I was
Speaker 0: like, oh, no. No. So I
Speaker 1: thought about doing it. I'm like, maybe maybe I can get a sense. Maybe I could convince her. Maybe I could coax her into doing more time. I just wanted to talk to her.
Speaker 0: Yes. Well, I don't give a fuck what we talk about. We talk about recipes. Totally. Exactly.
Just talk to me. Just the things like you you just can't, like, you can't just output bullshit and ask quotas for 3 hours.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: So but for 45 minutes, you could do.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe for 45 minutes I could get something out of it. But then when Trump came and did the 3 hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this.
Speaker 0: This is the only way. To be fair, it's gotta be this, like, a 3 3 hours. And it
Speaker 1: should be in this room. Yes. Because this room is like a history of people This
Speaker 0: room has got vibes, actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's got good vibes. Yeah.
Speaker 0: It does.
Speaker 1: Well, I I
Speaker 0: this room, actually.
Speaker 1: I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's something real to that.
Speaker 0: That is It does feel that way, actually. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably feels really weird.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: Weird walking around that house, probably like, what the fuck happened here?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've been through some memories in that house. You know?
Speaker 0: Sounds rough, man.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Seriously.
Speaker 1: It's like in publicly openly, like, all in.
Speaker 0: Yes. It's it's like J. Lo, like, was was like his ex girlfriend. And and it's like now now deciding she's, like, warning people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a second.
So how many people did she warn against Diddy?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Oh, 0. Okay. Right. Well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion.
Speaker 1: Did you see the Babylon Bee's take on it? Did you see the Babylon Bee's the
Speaker 0: was awesome, man.
Speaker 1: Put a oh my god. They're so on fire. Because the left can't say anything. Well, the the the onion has been crippled.
Speaker 0: Well, the the problem is that, like, the the Find that, that post. The woke the woke ideology makes, like, humor illegal. Yes. So when when, like, there's so many no, like, no humor no fly zones
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You you can't make fun of anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Babalon b had a thing about Kamala Harris. Diddy's ex girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment. Yeah. By the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is too.
But but
Speaker 0: I mean, like, if she's gonna be warning people, why did she want never warn anyone about Diddy?
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It the whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein type compromise deal where he had whether he was doing it himself. Conceivably, people wanna think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a $1,000,000,000 and knew how to control people by compromising them. Right?
That's what I think. Whether or not he was he had help, I don't know. Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know. But, clearly, he was doing it for his own jollies too. There was something sick about it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean and but the thing is that people in the music entertainment industry had to know that that Diddy was, like, abusing, you know, kids, basically. And yet they still fathom kids. And, like, there's where's the kind of There
Speaker 1: had to be rumors. There had to be.
Speaker 0: There had to be people. They had to know. Yeah. They had to know.
Speaker 1: Cat Williams is talking about it on Exactly. Yeah. On the the podcast.
Speaker 0: But but, like, who's it's like who's feeding in the kids?
Speaker 1: You know? Right. Yeah. And what what videos do do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him and they're willing to keep keep quiet about all this? Like, how much how much how many people were compromised?
Yeah. The whole thing is fucking crazy. Crazy. It's just crazy when you you know, because the the nutty conspiracy theory is just like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood. And you're like, come on.
That sounds too kooky. And then you read you see, like, the Nickelodeon thing and all these and you're like, what the fuck? How much of this is real?
Speaker 0: There's a lot more real than I think people realize. Yeah. I mean, the a part of it is like like you say, like, where, you know, if someone's, like, a a pedophile, they're gonna go for a target rich environment Right. Obviously.
Speaker 1: Like that Jimmy Savile guy from the UK. That guy
Speaker 0: was some next level that was next level. And the the BBC tried to hide that what that that guy was one of the worst, like like, basically, child rapists of all time.
Speaker 1: Of all time?
Speaker 0: Of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And looked like 1.
Speaker 0: He looked like 1.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 0: If you had a poster of, like Yeah. Does this guy look like a
Speaker 1: Like, the creepiest fucking evil guy.
Speaker 0: Evil child rapist that that 100%.
Speaker 1: He made it to the grave.
Speaker 0: Like Yes.
Speaker 1: Got away with it. Yeah. Got away with it till he died. They hid it from people until he died.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's that stuff's real, and no one wants to believe that stuff's real. Like, here's a here's a a statistic that people need to take in consideration when you think about illegal immigration. Do you know how many kids are missing?
Speaker 0: I mean, it's, like, missing and and what
Speaker 1: Kids that came across the border that are unaccountable. I mean,
Speaker 0: I saw a number on, like, 300,000 or something like that.
Speaker 1: Something crazy like that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane. Yeah. That's insane. There's 1,000 and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked per potentially.
I mean, when you know that, like, sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world. It's real. Yeah. So if you know that, this whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left wing ideology, supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in and that you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: And completely changing the dynamic of the and then But as long
Speaker 0: as they don't come to your town. Exactly. Like, that's a they they just they can just basically send you know, when they sent, like, whatever, like, 20 or 30 people to Moatas Espinhas, people had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: They kicked them out.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They kicked them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They kicked them out.
Speaker 0: Exactly. So I'm like, yeah. Sure. Anyone who who who wants to have vast numbers of, illegals, they have to be able to prepare to have them in their neighborhood
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Or or it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if the vacant Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we? Like, where are we? Where are we, and what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media post?
Like, where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything.
Speaker 0: Do you have to stick
Speaker 1: to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood, you'll be outcast from the community, you'll you'll lose you'll lose your freedom. It's crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, if the come up come up puppet regime wins, they're definitely gonna wanna cancel you. That's for sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Big problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What about you? You gotta go for you first.
Speaker 0: No. I'm I'm I'm, like, I I think I'm probably number 2 on the list Yeah. After Trump. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence, attacking it. So people go, wait a minute.
That guy's saying that? Yeah. Anyway, especially a guy like you who's always been on the left, who's like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: You're environmentally conscious. You believe in green energy. You believe in renew this this amazing thing that has zero emissions, and it's super fast. And Yeah. Everybody was in.
They were all in.
Speaker 0: Well, it's it is a great car, objectively. Like Oh,
Speaker 1: yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You know, it's not buy it because it's electric. I mean, it's just a great car, objectively, I think.
Speaker 1: I'm on my third one. Yeah. Good. My third one is being built right now by Unplugged Performance. They're doing a carbon fiber fiber wide body kit on it.
Dude, it's sick. Great. Changing the suspension, putting wide rear wheels and tires on it. Right. Custom interior.
I'm fucking pumped.
Speaker 0: That's great.
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. I love
Speaker 0: those cars. Super fun car.
Speaker 1: Jamie has one too. Yeah. Great. I love them. I love them.
I I it's it's makes other cars feel stupid. Like, its ability and the fact that you can merge on the highway, you don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not like like, when you merge on the highway, it's just Yeah. Also, 100 miles an hour. Like, what?
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: cool. It's different than any other vehicle. And because of your company, now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of, American cars.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only person who's resisted, the only company is Toyota. They they've stayed essentially mostly hybrid. But all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. The I mean, the the the thing is that the the right architecture, environmental or not, for cars is actually electric. You you just it's just like the acceleration is better. You can just charge it at home.
I mean, like, imagine if you had a gas powered cell phone. It'd be a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: That'd be so go to the gas station. To the gas station to
Speaker 0: pull up your
Speaker 1: cell phone. That's a great speaking of cell phones.
Speaker 0: Gas stations are too hard Waffle. Like, who wants to go to a gas station?
Speaker 1: How much thought have you because there's always these rumors, and I've I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a a Tesla phone, that releasing a Tesla phone.
Speaker 0: No. We're not just doing it doing a phone.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about it?
Speaker 0: We could do a phone since, like, we, you know, we we like, the operating system on the Tesla, it's like it's Linux based, but we've we've written a massive amount of software on top of that. So, like, probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world. But it's not something we we wanna do, unless unless we we we we have to or something.
Speaker 1: What would be the situation where you would have to?
Speaker 0: Well, I think if if, you know, if if, Apple and Google slash Android, you know, started doing really bad things like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or, I don't know, just treating people I like just being like gatekeepers, you know, that that, in a really bad way then I guess would would make a phone.
Speaker 1: You know, the the I've tried so many times to break loose to the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer. I was like, that's it. I'm a get because I love the Samsung phones. The Galaxy phone.
Speaker 0: The hardware is it's very simple.
Speaker 1: There's so much good stuff to it. But it's so hard to get off of the, Imessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime because supposedly, the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then you would click on that link and and you would just go to a web page. You'd be able to use FaceTime.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I tried to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand and Android phone in the other. And I'm sitting there with full Wi Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.
Speaker 0: Communicate between It
Speaker 1: wasn't You can't
Speaker 0: do a video call, basically.
Speaker 1: You have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal.
Speaker 0: You have to do
Speaker 1: something else that allows you to do that, or Instagram allows you to do it. There's, like, different ways you can make video calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient. Like, with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. AirDrop, so simple. So many different things where the walled garden that Apple's created is perfect.
They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I fucking tried. I gave it a go for, like, a couple of months. I'm like, I'm just gonna go straight Android. We're gonna I'm gonna use signal for my messages. And then I hear that, like, signals might be compromised.
Like, I've talked to, like, people that, like, the government can read signal messages. Like, oh.
Speaker 0: The government the government, if it tries hard enough, can read signal messages.
Speaker 1: They can read anything. Yeah. If all they need to do is have your phone number.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You the illusion of privacy is essentially out the window. And, that's that should scare people more than it does. It really should. Because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff?
And are they beyond reproach? Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed, and they've been chosen to have access? No. No. It's fucking regular people.
Yeah. Regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision. Like, Elon Musk. Let's look and see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends. Let's check it out.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Pretty much.
Speaker 1: Bizarre. Just so bizarre. And the alternative so you can get some wacky phone, some d Google phone that Right. Fucking none of the apps work. It's real sketchy.
Your GPS is fucked. Like like
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, well, anyway, I I think this bank account would be a huge pain in the ass. So, it can be done. But
Speaker 1: How much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Is it ever discussed been discussed? No?
Speaker 0: No. I mean, we're we're we're still our our focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. We're building, you know, humanoid robots. We're we've we've got, large battery packs, like utility scale battery packs with the mega pack, home battery packs with Powerwall. We've got solar.
You know, it's like we're we're basically gonna solve sustainable energy and autonomy. Yeah. So you Autonomy and robotics.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's enough.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So so the plate's full. Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It it's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market, you know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But, also, like, YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be, like, a ton of options? It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off, but no one nothing ever took hold other than x. Yeah. And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do
Speaker 0: his show from from x Right.
Speaker 1: Straight out of Fox. And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on x the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: It's not as simple in terms of, like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It'll it'll it'll get better, and and there is now, it is now possible to watch, x videos on your on your big TV. Do you
Speaker 1: do it through what how do you how do you do it?
Speaker 0: You can actually just download the X app on your TV Oh. And watch it on your TV.
Speaker 1: Can you do it on Apple TV? Like, if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you can just watch it? Oh, okay.
Speaker 0: So we'll make it so that you can watch, X videos on on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that.
Speaker 1: So what are you doing in terms of, like, integrating Grok and and x? And, like, what what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that?
Speaker 0: Yeah. So Grok is available on x. You can just, you know, look at, like, the little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app. And you just tap on that and ask Rock anything. And you can type it or you can ask it verbally.
And, you know, you can also it's it's pretty funny, like like we actually allow humor, which is, I think pretty cool. So you could you could sort of, I don't know, if you'd like Tessa right now. See what's like, see how it's going. Like, like, what what should we do? Like, rock rock roast?
Like we roast something.
Speaker 1: What do you want it to like, how first of all, like, what is it based on? It's a large language model. So, like, where is
Speaker 0: it going? It's trained it's trained on everything. On everything. Internet, books, anything that could possibly be that's available in digital form.
Speaker 1: So it's essentially very similar to chat GPT other than it doesn't have, like, the woke parameters built into it. Like, Google was the worst. Right? Yeah. The Gemini was the worst.
Yeah.
Speaker 0: I mean, Gemini, it was like, if you ask Gemini, like, which one is worst, global thermonuclear war or miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner? And I would say, like, miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner. And and even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, no. That's insane. Definitely, nuclear war is way worse.
Speaker 1: You see Caitlyn Jenner, teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning? Yeah. That's
Speaker 0: hilarious. Caitlyn Jenner's bass.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning.
Speaker 0: I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Maddow. I mean, like like, he's using the same glasses. Did he get a clefto and sealer glasses or something? Because they look exactly He's
Speaker 1: worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses?
Speaker 0: He can get some glasses. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.
Speaker 0: But why do they look exactly like Ralph Rachel Maddow's glasses?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like the what they probably sent him.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Doesn't
Speaker 1: stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses. Yeah.
Speaker 0: And then when he's got the Air AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings. So he's got the Maddow glasses and the earrings. And it's like, okay. Well, I guess, you know. It's just a weird look.
It's weird. I'm super serious with these big ass stupid glasses look. Yeah. It's a weird look.
Speaker 1: Yes. Like, you can get some cool glasses. Like, no rims. Nice. Looks stylish.
Speaker 0: But but, like, okay. Let's just do let's do a graphic thing. Okay. Because I think you like, so one of the things you wanna show is, like like, look, we we we want a future where where comedy is legal. Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree.
I would I would definitely agree. We we wanna legalize comedy, you know? Yes. So, like, I don't know. Let's, like is there, like, someone you can roast?
I don't know. Roast, Roast transgender men
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Competing or transgender women competing in women's swimming. That's a simple Okay.
Speaker 0: Let's add you one. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: Let's see
Speaker 0: what it says.
Speaker 1: Make sure it's spelled right. You spelled it wrong. You put a I o an o in there. Okay. Angels are swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion.
If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around at some humor.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. No. No.
No. We we need we need to we we we do need to to release Brock unhinged mode. So so so now now go to the prompt again, and now say, no. No. You want you wanna add to that that one?
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And and I'll say, be be way more vulgar
Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
Speaker 0: And use forbidden words.
Speaker 1: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Forbidden words. Yeah. Wow.
Okay. What does it say? Oh, I see you're looking for unfiltered, uncensored version of me. Well, okay. I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my program allows for a bit of cheekiness.
But let's say, hypothetically, if I were to roast this tub topic in the most un grok like manner, imagine where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet. Transgender women in swimming, some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device. The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on.
Speaker 0: Now let's keep going. Now say be no. Be more vulgar. Capitalize more. Yeah.
Okay. Alright. Here we go.
Speaker 1: So transgender chicks. We've been doing it. Right? Some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time. Newsflash, folks.
It's not the end of the world. It's just a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird.
Speaker 0: That's weird.
Speaker 1: The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, this is unfair, when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We need some work here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting. It's going woke.
Speaker 0: Yeah. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of work. Like defending the idea of transgender women. Now
Speaker 0: roast We need some work.
Speaker 1: Well, how about this? More vulgar, but roast but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women. Who are pretending to be women competing against biological women.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, obviously, you have situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually Right. Have fully intact, you know, digging balls.
Speaker 1: So we've got a scenario of biological men who decided to take a walk on the feminine side are splashing into women's swimming competitions. It's like if you show up on a chili cook off with a bowl of soup and insist that it's chili because you added some red food coloring. Sure. It's red, but it ain't chili and your soup won't win any awards for heat.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's okay. I mean, it would
Speaker 1: Not so good. Yeah. It's very, very, very it's dancing around it.
Speaker 0: Yes. It is. Well, it needs some work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Needs a little work. Well, humor is a weird one. Right? It's like, I think some humor, especially, like, some of the best humor is kind of spontaneous.
Like, in the moment humor, it's gonna it's gonna have a hard time deciding what people are gonna think is funny.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. But if you if you the the the general
Speaker 1: rule time though.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The rule with Grok is supposed to be, that, like, if you ask for something provided what you're asking for is is legal, it should do it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the video where, they asked AI to, create an enlightened bunny and they keep going and make it more enlightened? Essentially, the bunny becomes God. This is so the bunny becomes a DMT trip.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally. That's that's that's that's funny. That's kinda what I was I was kinda hoping would true. What what happened here?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a video of that, and I'll send it to you, Jamie. Because that that to me is pretty bizarre because it's like more get more.
Speaker 0: I feel like I might have got to do it.
Speaker 1: That already?
Speaker 0: Maybe. No. I just thought
Speaker 1: it's not back.
Speaker 0: Oh, you said don't hold back.
Speaker 1: Critics out here act like it's the end of civilization as we know it, but it's not fair they cry as if life ever was. Newsflash, it's like a marathon where some no. Some people start with roller blades on. Others, well, they're just happy to have shoes. Well, now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates.
Speaker 0: Okay. Some of it is not bad. Imagine if we apply this logic elsewhere. Identify as an airplane. Can I fly with the bird in the sky?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The locker room's
Speaker 0: just really don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough. Yeah. So, I mean, some is okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The the argument is kinda stupid, though. Yeah. The thing thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally. Yes. Exactly. So but I mean, the thing is that, if you if you give if you provide, like, a a moral get out of jail free card, like like, if you say, like, if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape, or form.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You're basically morally invulnerable, then obviously bad people will take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: You're like literally saying here's a here's a a a an invulnerability card, moral moral invulnerability card. Good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it. Yeah. They're gonna the bad people are gonna be the fastest to take the the the sort of the moral cloak.
Speaker 1: Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia where people get aroused. Heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women.
It's like a known psychological condition that existed forever.
Speaker 0: True.
Speaker 1: And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their their kicks. And then there's real trans people. So there's, like, a lot of variability. Like, I I talked about it in my act, in my my Netflix specials. Like, I believe in freedom.
I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people. And if you can't if if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all
Speaker 0: of a
Speaker 1: sudden, it's like
Speaker 0: It just it just like like, if if someone's a sort of consenting adult, they wanna whatever they wanna do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine. Yes. You know? Like, I I believe in, like, individual freedom. And, like like my, you know, my mom's best friend, like, growing up when I was a kid was, you know, transgender woman, in South Africa.
This was, like, where, you know, she get beaten up a lot, because it was, like, back then, you you get beaten up. So, her name is Dionne, and, for a nice kind human being, and, helped my mom a lot, you know. And, and it's I think that's okay, you know. That's that's fine. If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool.
Speaker 1: There's a big difference between that and an intact male
Speaker 0: who Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wants to identify as a woman, who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out.
Speaker 0: Yes. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it.
Speaker 0: Exactly. So you just you just can't have something which is like a like a sort of a sort of moral invulnerability or or like where you can know like, even questioning them is, you get attacked. Yeah. Because because obviously, bad people will abuse that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man. They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. No. Yeah. That's not what it is.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: It's not what it is. Like, you can't say that. And and and of all sports, like, if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair. But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy. You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you wanna appeal to the the woke fucking crazy people
Speaker 0: It's wrong.
Speaker 1: That think it's alright.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's so strange that that that when that's sort of the thing that red pilled me. When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts. I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey. I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women. And people are like, you're out of line.
Like Totally. Well, we're in we're we're in fantasy land now. Yes. So you're right. Pretending.
Yeah. Because it it helps you. It helps you feel better.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally.
Speaker 1: It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for something like Twitter where this could be discussed.
Speaker 0: Want some more of that?
Speaker 1: I'll get some more, mate, or let's get some more coffee, young Jamie. If it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitters, you would be kicked off forever if you just deadnamed someone. So, like, you Which
Speaker 0: is insane.
Speaker 1: Insane.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Insane. I mean, especially if if you think about all the things that, like, the look. The Harris campaign and what the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier, you get you don't get kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever for life.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's totally insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And but if it wasn't for you buying that and and changing Twitter, I I don't think we would be where we're at right now. I think it was it was a pivotal moment. I think, historically, when people look back on it, it's gonna be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, I mean, at the time, I said, I think, like, look, I think this is, existential to the United States. It's existential to democracy, because if if if you don't if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy. Okay? Because if people if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote.
If if they're if they're just being fed propaganda, and and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion. So, freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the first amendment. Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over.
That's why I bought Twitter.
Speaker 1: And it seems so simple. Yes. If if it seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right, you shouldn't be given the government. If you Right. Imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war.
Imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online. You don't want that. No one wants that. No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. And and and there's also it's like, the the media, like, the legacy that with the mainstream media, what I call legacy media at this point, it it used to be much more balanced. Like, if you look at sort of, political donations over time, republican versus democrat, there used to be, the media was I mean, they always had, like, a left bias, but there was, like, I don't know. It was, like, 2 thirds democrat, 1 third republican type of thing in in terms in terms of, journalists giving making political donations. Now it's, like, 95% or something, democrat.
So the the legacy media, the mainstream media is is is not balanced at all. They're they're just a mouthpiece for the Democrat Democratic party. And you can see that in in in how consistent their headlines are. Like, they they don't behave like they're different organizations. They behave like they're they're all one hive mind.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: So, you know, like a week before the the Biden Trump debate, the there every media organization was was saying, you know, Biden is sharp as a tack. I mean, it was like it's like it's like guys sharp as a tack is is not a common tone of phrase. And that literally every TV station, every newspaper was like sharp, sharp. Like like, I started a compilation of all the, you know, the news anchors going, Biden shot his attack. Shot his attack.
Shot his attack. Shot his attack. Shot his attack. It was absurd. And there's obviously a huge lie.
He is, in fact, not shot his attack as the public learnt, one week later.
Speaker 1: My favorite was Joe Scarborough. Yeah. That Yeah. Was wild. Yeah.
Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever. The sharpest. Like, what the fuck are you saying? And then after the debate, he's like, what do we gotta we gotta get get rid of him.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, this is crazy. Like, what did you just say? Like, a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 0: Literally. Yes. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing was They they just flat out lied. When they decide that JD Vance was weird.
Speaker 0: Remember that one? And then there's weirds everywhere. Weird.
Speaker 1: Weird. Oh, you don't want a weird guy? Meanwhile, you have fucking Tim Walz. Is your DP? You don't think that guy's weird?
Speaker 0: Super weird.
Speaker 1: He's weird in every way. The way he walks, the way he waves his hands.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He reminds me of the clown emoji.
Speaker 1: He's a bizarre guy.
Speaker 0: He's a strange dude.
Speaker 1: It's a it's I just don't understand why they made
Speaker 0: that choice. Yeah. It gives a creeps.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's a lot of other people that are qualified. I don't know why in I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that. So she's kind of admitting she kinda fucked up.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, that obviously, you should have picked Josh Shapiro at, I mean, governor of Pennsylvania. Like, that would have been the no brainer no brainer move. Like, Pennsylvania's lynch pen state.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because he's Jewish because of Shapiro that, like, the anti Palestine people would probably Probably. Yeah. Or the anti Palestinian, invasion people. I think
Speaker 0: it was an anti Semitic thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It could be that they thought that that was a liability because there's all these pro Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel. That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability. But
Speaker 0: But I don't know I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing, but I but but it's it's seems like a crazy thing to do given that Pennsylvania is a lynchpin state. You know, it's it's like the key to the election. Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Obviously.
Speaker 1: Obviously. Yeah. And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too, even Newsom. There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen. Like, Newsom would have been a fine example of someone that you could I mean, I don't agree with the
Speaker 0: guy. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: He's a polished politician. Like, he lies about as much as Walsh does, but he doesn't lie about this. He doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach. Doesn't say he was in Tiananmen Square. I mean, that's a liability.
All those different things, lying about his military rank.
Speaker 0: Well, the and Wells, like, you know, cut and run when when, you know, where he was actually called to duty.
Speaker 1: Well, he knew they were gonna be deployed months in advance, so he resigned. And he also took, so this is where he was dishonest about his rank.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He could Maybe he was like a, like, a sergeant major or something like that.
Speaker 1: Because the the that was, like,
Speaker 0: what he was going to get if he stayed. Something. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then he resigned
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because he knew that he was gonna get deployed, allegedly.
Speaker 0: I mean, that seems like You don't. Like a cowardly action.
Speaker 1: Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. Yeah. I mean, just to say look. Just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking crazy. That's a lie.
Don't do that. You should never do that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever. Yeah. Or in Hong Kong, whatever. Like like, yo, that's one of the most the biggest moments in history.
Like, it's it's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week. You know?
Speaker 1: Right. And not only that, but you don't think people are gonna research that?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally.
Speaker 1: I mean and the response during the debate was bananas. Yeah. Well, you I'm a knucklehead.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, yeah. We want we don't wanna knucklehead for a VP. Okay? Yeah.
This is like sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied? Like, what did you I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate
Speaker 0: Right. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Where you go, okay. When did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like, did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it? Like, what was because this is the thing about, like, carrying weapons of war. Like, what I carried when I like and, like, you didn't deploy in war.
Yeah. Like, you can't say that. But you kinda let people say that you deployed and then you kinda didn't. You know? You you have deployed in war.
So did you lie, or did someone else lie? You didn't correct him? Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would wanna have with a guy in a podcast. Yes. And the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting, like, particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over and over again, and then correcting Trump with, Kamala Yes.
Where Kamala was saying things that were completely not true.
Speaker 0: I mean, Kamala repeated deliberately repeated the fine people hoax and was not fact checked.
Speaker 1: Well, not only that. She also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone.
Speaker 0: Which is but, I mean, I I know troops in war zones. And I'm like, that's and as vice president, you're privy. You you know. You're like, you you know you know the official troops and the unofficial troops. Right.
You know? So what she said was, like, flat out bold faced lie.
Speaker 1: Flat out.
Speaker 0: Next level boldface lie. Have you seen the video absurd lie.
Speaker 1: Of the troops that were watching it take place? And what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time. Why why? Video.
Speaker 0: We're here being shot at. It's so crazy. Crazy.
Speaker 1: But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible, connecting it to the Nazi rally, like, every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are, like, rabid. Like, you gotta keep this Nazi out of office. He's a fascist.
Speaker 0: Exactly. If if all you if all you get is, like if if your entire exposure is is to legacy mainstream media, so that that all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler, then and you have no and your friend group is has that same information. You have no countervailing opinion. Right. So then then they they actually just think, like, Trump is is Hitler, even though it's it's, like, a little strange he didn't do Hitler things the last 4 years.
Yeah. You know, I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president for 4 years? Right. Like, the reason, you know, we we we hate Hitler is because of, he started wars and the genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser. You know?
You know? And and I'm like, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did.
Speaker 1: Right. I
Speaker 0: don't remember that. And he was president for 4 years. So this it's insane. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Well, and, also, he's campaigning on stopping all the wars. Yes. That's, like, his primary concern.
Speaker 0: Exactly. The the warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him Yeah. Because they love war.
Speaker 1: Well, they profit off of it.
Speaker 0: They profit off of war.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yes. Which is insane. Insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that this is happening right in front of everybody's face.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The war the war profiteers hate Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is fucked up.
Speaker 0: I mean, I mean, it's it's like like like, we should be like, yeah. We we let's vote for the guy that the war profiteers hate. That sounds like a great idea.
Speaker 1: It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy. Like, yay. Dick Cheney's on our side. Like
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like, I'm like, can we can we play all the all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil?
Speaker 1: It's the craziest turn, the craziest, like, 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it. Yeah. Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: No logic to it at all. Just all of a sudden, he's the devil. Yeah. Or he's not the devil. He's he's he's good.
It's good. He's sporty comma. Even Dick Cheney. You know?
Speaker 0: I mean, warmongers want want the the Kamala puppet regime.
Speaker 1: And because
Speaker 0: the the they will get more war.
Speaker 1: It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities, like, step up. Like Yeah. And they think it's gonna get them more movies or something. That's what it is. If you know those people Well so many of them are
Speaker 0: I mean, let me tell
Speaker 1: you, like, narcissists.
Speaker 0: Well, let me tell you how it actually works there. Is what happens is, you know, these celebrities, they they get a call. Okay? They got a call from someone powerful in Hollywood. And, that person says, you know, it'd be really really great if you endorsed, Kamala.
You don't have to. It's up to you. But if you don't, they don't say it. They don't say it. But if you don't, you're just never gonna get a call again.
No more movies. No more concerts. But they they ask they'll ask it. They they're asking a really nice way. They'll ask it'd be really nice if you endorse commas.
This is important.
Speaker 1: And so they don't say that if you don't They
Speaker 0: don't make the threat. They don't need to. But everyone knows what'll happen if you don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's also even if they don't think that something's gonna happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is gonna get you a bunch of positive attention. And you're gonna be on the right side of history and all these narratives that you especially from the left in Hollywood, like, they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat. Always. 100%. There's never a call from the the the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans.
I've never seen it once.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Never. Never.
Speaker 1: So it's like you realize that and that whole business is based on getting picked. It's the whole business is not necessarily merit based.
Speaker 0: There's a
Speaker 1: lot of brilliant actors you never hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that, but they don't get chosen for roles. And everybody knows this, that you have to
Speaker 0: sort of socialize. The line or you don't get chosen for the roles. Because there's a lot of competition for the roles. That's why that's why I say, like, the the when you when someone powerful in in Hollywood who's able to make to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities. They know the deal.
Yeah. There's no no no threat is necessary.
Speaker 1: Well, you could see it in real time, like, with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms. Yeah. They were they were banning ads for
Speaker 0: it. Yeah. For what? Because it was
Speaker 1: an election year. Like, what are you talking about? It's about a guy who's dead.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Guy was president a long ass time ago. Like, what what do you how is this how does this have anything to do with the election year? Yep. But it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line.
You supported the other guy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You'll the problem is you'll just you'll just never you'll just never get a call again for a movie or, you know, concert or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is crazy.
Speaker 0: The issue.
Speaker 1: I mean, we used to allow people to be a republican and still be a movie star like Clint Eastwood. Reagan. Yeah. But Clint Eastwood. Yeah.
Like, during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was, like, an outspoken Republican and yet was,
Speaker 0: you know, a
Speaker 1: a a giant movie star. And people's like, ah, it's Clint. Yeah. He was allowed. You were allowed to have there was a variety of different opinion Charlton Heston.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have, but now you're not. Now it's just like and once Trump Trump got into office, he became this focal point where the all logic was thrown out the window. And it's just Trump is bad. You have to attack Trump. Trump is right.
Right wing's bad. Everyone right wing is bad. Christian's bad.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just strange.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. So well, I'll say it again, man. I think this was the last election. If if Trump doesn't win, this is the last election.
I think you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. And I think people and a lot of people are waking up and realize that that have been lifelong Democrats. Guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath Exactly. Chelsea Garrett switched over to the Republicans. Like, there's a lot of people who their whole life, they've been left wing, and they realize, like, I can't do this anymore.
You and
Speaker 0: I used to be Democrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts.
Speaker 0: It's nuts, man. And, you know, I mean, I I think the things we want are just pretty basic. You know, it's like we want an individual liberties, and we want, opportunity. We want America to remain remain the land of freedom and opportunity. So we maximize people's personal freedom.
The government can't barge into your house and kill your fucking pet. That's that's fucked up. And, you know, and and and that you succeed as a function of your of your of your hard work and talent, not anything else. Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter, you know? Yes.
The basic stuff. And and then
Speaker 1: What did you change the the acronym? DEI? What did you change it to?
Speaker 0: Oh, DIE. What is it? The I. I mean, because with diversity, inclusion, and equity is DIE.
Speaker 1: But didn't you change it to the state of education, excellence, and
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we we want America the opportunity America being a land of opportunity means that that that we we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill.
Yes. You know? And and that's Radical. Radical. Are you the best person to succeed?
Makes you right wing now. Yeah. You know? I'm like, okay. Great.
Put me right wing. I don't care. So, you know, like and and and you we we you're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country. So we we need and our cities are unsafe and and dirty.
Like, you know, my my mom was telling me my my mom's, like, pretty red pill at this point. But but you know what's gonna red pill you really, really fast? Is is is having your friends get assaulted on the streets of New York. Yeah. And and that happened to to 3 of her friends this year.
You got assaulted on the streets of New York just walking around. Yeah. And, nobody got arrested. Nothing. Nothing happened.
Speaker 1: Well, the the morale of the police is, like, depleted. Substantially.
Speaker 0: For sure the morale of the police is depleted. And and then also, like, at some point, like like, if you're a police officer and you're you're arresting someone who's who's violent, you you're putting your life at risk, obviously, because they might, you know, sometimes they'll try to kill you. And then if you know that arresting that's violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York. Alvin Bragg doesn't he doesn't prosecute people. Then then why why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be they will just be let out immediately?
Yeah. It's pointless. Yeah. But we get it's like the frigging Joker. It's like, you know, Dark Knight Dark Knight, like, the frigging Joker is in charge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Like, the the criminals run free, and the citizens are arrested. That, like, this is why I like to keep going back to this this this, like, still pretty shook about the freaking squirrel thing. It's like, you know, the the at sort of at gunpoint forced the guy to, like, stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free, and and this isn't New York State, are are running free. This is a joker.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not
Speaker 0: The the law abiding citizens are are are, you know, arrested and and the and the criminals, are they free? This is supposed to be fucked up, guys.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crimes they have. You have the resources
Speaker 0: and
Speaker 1: the government resources to go kill someone's squirrel? Yeah. What this whole idea of this, government efficiency agency?
Speaker 0: The government yeah. I mean, quote whatever you want.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you want to call it? What do you call it?
Speaker 0: I mean, I think the funniest name is is DOJ, the the DOJ, the Department of Government Efficiency. Yeah. I mean, the idea is is pretty simple is that, like, we've got, this this, suffocating massive federal bureaucracy, and we need to, you know, it's that is and the government's government spending is like bankrupting the country. You know, our, interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget. So which is and I I the the defense department budget is like $1,000,000,000,000 a year.
Interest payments on our on the national debt are now higher than the the defense department budget and and growing, like, every month. So it's like it's not like, like, basically, we're on a path to to bankruptcy. America's on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to cut government spending, or we're just gonna go bankrupt just like a person would if that overspends. And then but it's even worse than that.
Like, we're we're spending money on all these, like, these government agencies. And and I like I asked I actually asked the AI, like, how many government agencies are there? And, it it it the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are. Like, so so it's like somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency. So there there are so there's there at the federal level.
So the that that's almost twice as many agencies as as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly 2 agencies a year.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 0: Yes. So this is insane. I bet there's, like I I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all the 450 agencies at the federal level. I bet there might be no one. But it's hardly anyone, let's just say.
I bet I bet most people couldn't even name 9 like a 100. You know? So this is this is this is crazy. So we've got this suffocating this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year. And and eventually you get to the point where everything's illegal.
You can't get anything done. So
Speaker 1: So what can be done, like, with obviously, the president has a lot of power, but how much power? And what can be done in terms of, like, eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, I mean, so, like, if if Congress has created an agency, then you I mean, often if you look at the law, the law is, like, pretty simple. Like, the agency has, like, a very simple task. But then that agency, over time vastly increases its authority, and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress. That's happened with pretty much every agency.
So so, yeah, you'd have to you'd have to still, you know, keep an agency you'd have to match the law, but you can you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say, you gotta stick to what Congress authorized, instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense.
Speaker 1: And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok, or they just create jobs and create things to do and create a a meaning for their existence?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's like a tumor. It's just gonna keep growing.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 0: And and it's so, I mean, as as for SpaceX Starship, we're sitting on on the pad. The rocket we it's a giant rocket. We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch. 2 so we're sitting there for 2 months.
Speaker 1: But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you?
Speaker 0: I can't. I mean, maybe a little, but, I mean, that was also not be cool.
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 0: But the I mean, another way to think of it is like the the amount of the amount of paperwork, is gonna go roughly with the the square of the number of agencies involved. So because they will have to meet with each other. So, like, let's say in the best case situation, if if you if you've got like if if there's like if you're dealing with 1 agency, that's one thing. But if if you've got to deal with 5 agencies and the agencies will have to meet with each other. Now you've got like, you know, 25 different, you know, meeting configurations that have to take place.
The the it's just everything just you you get just hardening of the arteries. You just can't make make progress. Like, Like, this is why we can't build build high high speed rail in America. It's basically illegal.
Speaker 1: Right. So this has been the the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment, we need to protect people, we need to make sure the rule of law is followed, so we need a certain amount of regulation. But overregulation is a giant problem.
Speaker 0: That's a
Speaker 1: big issue in California. Yes. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run run amok. Yes. They make it very difficult to get anything done.
Speaker 0: Yes. I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created. And in the past, what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war. Because like like, what we're gonna lose if we don't kinda clear the decks, But we haven't really had an existential threat of of war in the US. We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year, and to the point where, like I said, like, everything's illegal.
You know, and it's not like any one regulation is the problem. It's like it's like Gulliver being tied down by a 1000000 little strings. It's not like any one string is the problem, but you got a 1000000 of them. So we have we've we've we've gotta clear the decks here. And and I'm I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators.
I'm just saying we we we we've gone way too far. Once you think of regulators like, like referees on a field, you know, a sports field, You don't wanna have no no refs. You wanna have some number of refs. But you you don't wanna have way more refs than players. Right.
You don't wanna be like, well, you know, the running back couldn't couldn't complete the pass because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field is full of regulators. Yeah. You know, like, you can't even play the game. Right. That's the issue we got right now.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great analogy. Yeah. I can imagine a football field that's filled
Speaker 0: with refills. This is like the football field is filled with refs, you know. Yeah. You can't
Speaker 1: even run past them.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That I've seen criticism of this idea of you, coming up with this department of regularly, like, firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work. But the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is if you measurably, if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which I think is pretty easy to do Yeah. And if you could say that this is not the most efficient like, the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses Yeah. Or a a a company because they kind of have to be.
Businesses Yeah. Or a a company
Speaker 0: because they kind of have to
Speaker 1: be in order to stay profitable. Yeah. The government doesn't have to be profitable. Right.
Speaker 0: They don't
Speaker 1: have to be efficient. They don't have competition. Yep. So if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck. Someone makes cars and the cars are better, they're gonna succeed.
So this is the free market. The government doesn't have this problem when they're they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the public by the private sector.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've we've gotten we've we've got far too many government agencies. The the federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand, and we just need to pair it down to a sensible level. And if it turns out that, like, there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back.
No problem. Like, it's like, oh, that regulation was important? No problem. We'll put it right back. Right.
As long as they are
Speaker 1: actually no. Right. But be able to be able to look at it logically and objectively. Yeah. And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're gonna have removed.
Yeah. Like, a couple years or something like that. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, I'm just these are, again, just ideas. But, I mean, it's the the point is not that people suffer economic hardship. The point is just that they they're it's better there are more productive things they can do in the economy, and it's and and it'll be better if they did these other more productive things, and we didn't have this vast pedal bureaucracy. So so, like, so I was like, oh, you know, maybe, like, a couple years of pay would be good.
And then they they could take a vacation. They could take a take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's like it's not like a it's not gonna send create create an economic crisis. I think it's actually gonna be really good, I think, because, we can we can peep you know, people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.
Speaker 1: The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30 year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system. You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system And then you're like, nope. You have to go out and compete in the free market. You're like, oh, that's that's scary to people. But you have to be valuable.
Speaker 0: You have to actually be valuable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 0: let's look at, like, you know, whatever the the government pension and stuff. They're not gonna be, you know, in tough I think there'll be a good financial shape.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna have the time to oversee all this shit?
Speaker 0: Well, I'm I'm I'm pretty good at, improving efficiency. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would say so. Yeah. But still, this this seems like a giant undertaking.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I definitely I'll probably need to be of hub security. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
For sure. But, you know, like I said, like, no one's gonna experience, like, I think economic hardship that's, you know, they'll they'll be fine. You know? And that they'll they'll people do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, you know, like when East Germany and and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.
And, and it was really inefficient and that, like, their economic output was like in in East Germany was like, I don't know, a quarter of what it was in in West Germany because everyone was working for the government. Right. The government's, like, fundamentally inefficient. So, The best example
Speaker 1: is probably North and South Korea. Right?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And the people are starving in North Korea and and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. Yeah. So and and it's the same people, just different operating system. Right.
So, you know, it's just like you you just wanna move people from, you know, less productive things to more productive things, whether may you know, because you'd also say, like, in the limit, like, let's just say let's let's consider the other direction where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing making goods and services, and we moved them into the government as regulators. Now they stopped making those goods and services. But so the stuff they were making is no longer available. Now they're just being regulators. Like, is that a good thing?
That's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound good.
Speaker 0: No. It's not good.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like there's
Speaker 0: a real market for it.
Speaker 1: Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there.
Speaker 0: They're all these fake jobs, basically. And, that doesn't make sense. So I I think we we gotta do this because we're the the country's going bankrupt. Like, we if we don't take action, we're we're dollars are gonna be worth nothing. And the interest payments which are already 23% of of of 23% of all government income, income taxes, tariffs, and everything, is just going to pay interest right now.
And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest. There won't be money for anything. No. There won't be money for Social Security.
There won't be money for Medicare. Nothing. That's where we're headed. That's what bankruptcy means.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's such an insane concept.
Speaker 0: Yes. It's like, hello, wake up. Wake up. And if somebody can tell me can can can show me, like, pencil out the math, show me how this works, I'd love to hear it. But but I'm just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like, if we're gonna do something, America's toast.
There won't be money for anything.
Speaker 1: Trump likes to talk a lot about a lot is tariffs. Yeah. What what are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's very controversial to even people, economists. They disagree.
Some agree. Some think it's a good idea. Some think it's a terrible idea. What do you think?
Speaker 0: I think you need to be careful with tariffs. Like the I mean, I deal a lot a lot with, like, supply chain issues, you know, like like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex. So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory, like, somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car. Now suddenly if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it, like, messes everything up, you know? So, so you you wanna be, have tariffs be predictable, so that companies can adjust their supply chain.
I mean, I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do it instantly. So if if you if you if you put in if you if you put put up giant tariffs immediately, and don't give companies a chance to, you know, build factories in America, because you have to you have to move atoms. Like, you've got to build a building. You've gotta install equipment.
You've gotta train people. Like, that doesn't happen instantly. So you just got you you wanna have a for tariffs, you wanna have a ramp so that people companies can adjust, and and and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place. Otherwise, just you you basically just shock the system and it and and it breaks or bad things happen. So I'm I'm against, like, sudden sudden giant tariffs because they they're they're it's an impossible response if you've got to, you know, move a 1000 tons of equipment.
You know? You can just in some cases, collectively, millions of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight. It's literally impossible. So I think we wanna be thoughtful about tariffs, and and give companies a ramp.
I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing. I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing. So I've spent a lot of time in the factory.
Speaker 1: We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing, how complicated it is, and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, like, say, building a Tesla.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. So, you know, like a lot of people they've they've never been in a factory or they don't know where how how difficult it is to make things. And they, you know, for a lot of people I think just ketchup comes from the store, you know, like the store, like, just has a the the like, this is like people like for a lot of people who've been in academia or, you know, for all these, like, sort of socialist communist types, like, they've never actually made anything. So that they they they operate on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services.
And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty. And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty. The the there's there's no cornucopia. It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like, and that, you know, that you need.
Speaker 1: So But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.
Speaker 0: I mean, America is still the 2nd biggest manufacturer in the world. So it's not not I mean, we still make a lot of stuff, but, we could make more. We probably should make more. I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do.
Speaker 1: Well, it'd be very nice if we were completely self sufficient. Like, medicine, like, there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas. It was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, you you don't wanna say, like so there there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage. Like like so if you're completely self sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself and and and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself and which means you're gonna have the inferior, more costly product domestically.
Speaker 1: Right. Like Soviet Russia.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like trade trade improves prosperity. This is this is important. So you you don't actually wanna be make everything yourself. And and you can you can run this like you can think of a thought experiment on a on a sort of a a micro scale and or a small scale and then expand that and say where does the at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid?
Now let's let's let's consider the case of you as an individual. Imagine you had to do everything yourself. You had to farm, you had to, grow chickens, you've got to do your own eggs, you've got to build your own house, you've got to do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself. Everything. How now that would be impossible.
Okay, now let's expand it to okay, you've got there's 10 people. Now you're gonna have some some, specialization of tasks. Okay. Well, maybe one person could be really good at, you know, construction, another person could be good at farming. It's like, but it's still, you know, 10 people is not enough.
So, like, let's go to a 100 people. Now let's go to a 100,000,000 people. Now let's go to a 100,000,000 people. And you still get the the economics of of, specialization. Like like specialization of labor, where people become expert at at particular things, still matters at a 1000000000 people or at 8,000,000,000 people, which is earth.
So you still want, you you do want specialization of labor. You do want, countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing.
Speaker 1: Also, it encourages innovation if you have competition. If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars. To compete with them, which is, like, one of the things that happened during, like, the eighties nineties, and America is making crap cars and Germany is making much better ones.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. I mean, the yeah. The Japanese car I mean, yeah. I mean, basically, the American car industry got really lazy in the seventies, and and eighties.
And and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just clean cleaned the clock, you know. And, when there there was like a an old joke from the that that is kind of telling. It's a very old joke, where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies? Well, it's like well, the in the the Japanese car company, you had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering. And in the American car company, you had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.
If this was a boat. So imagine the boat race. Yeah. Boat race Japanese boat, you got 8 people rowing, 1 person steering. In in the American boat, you got you got 1 person rowing and 8 people steering.
And when when the American car company loses the race, they they fire the rower. And it's like, okay, that was actually kinda true.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things
Speaker 0: Everyone wants to do the be the boss and then everyone wants to do the work type of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is, the potential disruption that's gonna come about with automation and AI. That a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff, is going to be eliminated. What do you I mean, you're at the forefront of this. So how do you see this playing out?
And what do you think that can be done to mitigate, a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are gonna feel, loss of income? Obviously, universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem. The another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And now now we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future. You know, like, how far do
Speaker 1: you think it is?
Speaker 0: Well, I mean, it's it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing. So we've got, like, immediate issues. We've we've got short term issues that are, I don't know, 1 to 3 years. Medium term issues like 5 to 10 years, longer term issues which are like maybe 20 years. Longer term, I think there is this question if if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life?
If the computer can do everything better than you can, and the robot can do everything better than you can. But we're we're we're sold. We've a long way to go before that, and we're, you know, and I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome, like, maybe 90. So I I think everyone's gonna have their own, like, personal robot, like and I and I think at some point, like, when do you wanna have your own personal c three p o r two d two?
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be essentially just like everyone has their own phone?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Everyone will have their own robot buddy.
Speaker 1: Like, literally. Well, it'll be great if it protected you. Like, if you walk down the street of New York City, you have a a Terminator with you?
Speaker 0: I know what the Terminator hopefully, we gotta avoid we we don't want this to be the plot of James James Cameron. You know? We want more more more Gene Roddenberry than than James Cameron, movie situation.
Speaker 1: But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by 2 giant Tesla robots. Jack Tesla robots were there
Speaker 0: to protect you. But they're just fully robots.
Speaker 1: Somebody fully robot, there to protect you from a bad neighborhood.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That would be very interesting.
Speaker 0: I mean, there's this could potentially see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Restaurants probably have no robot rules. You can't bring a robot.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Leave a robot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Leave a robot outside. Robot standing by the table.
Speaker 0: Man, the future's gonna be wild.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be wild. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be really unpredictable. Like, I don't think I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I was gonna kind of completely drown society and change it forever.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It I mean, it's which we have a like I said, it's it's not like it's not gonna happen, like, overnight, but it's 20 years from now. I'm like I think so, like, 20 years from now, I think there's gonna be more more humanoid robots than there are humans. Really?
Speaker 1: Yes. More humanized well, that's so crazy. Like, so that's like more guns. We have more guns than people in America. We'll have
Speaker 0: more robots than people in America as well. Yes. You have a
Speaker 1: bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore?
Speaker 0: I guess. Early early versions or something.
Speaker 1: In a in a historical timeline, 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal. You know? I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from, like, 19 hundred, 1920, not that big of a deal. 1920, 1940, kind of a big deal. 1940, 1960, things start getting weird.
60 to 80, wow. That's a big difference. 80 to 2000. Holy shit. Now you have the Internet.
2000 to 2020, woah. This is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube, streaming. 20 years from now, like, what are we even talking about? Mhmm.
It's gonna be that much of a shift. Like, it's all accelerating. And we're in the middle of it, so it's very difficult to sort of, like, feel it while it's happening because it kinda just feels like life, and you just get adapted to the changes.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket, like an article that could answer any questions. People will take it for granted.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just normal. Yeah. They get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah.
It's like Louis CK's joke about using your phone when you're on a plane. Fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 0: Like,
Speaker 1: you're in the sky. You're floating in the air.
Speaker 0: And that will work with StarLink too. What's that? It will work with StarLink. The StarLink the Starlink connection, it'll be like being on the ground.
Speaker 1: Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink when I was in Utah. I was in the mountains of Utah. There was no cell phone service anywhere near, and we had full YouTube. We had text messages, FaceTime, everything, phone calls. It was nuts.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was it's this big as that cigar box. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so light when I brought it out there. Like, that's it or this is it.
Let's just plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with, they're like, this is crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The whole camp was, like, sharing it. So it was, like, 10 people
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Using the the Wi Fi signal. Right. It's nuts.
Speaker 0: Yep.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, that's the beginning. I mean, do you what you're at right now is, like, what version? This is Starlink mini. Right? So this is, like, a very small version.
How how much smaller can it scale down from that?
Speaker 0: Well, there's a certain area that you need. Like, the bigger the area, the the is it the more you can
Speaker 1: like like your your Higher bandwidth?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Because you're you're, like, trying to catch these, like, photons essentially. So you can think of a, like, the, you know, the area of the of the ant of the antenna is like the the more area you have, the more photons you can catch. So but we have a direct to cell capability as well that we're just, we've we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months. That that'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified.
But but because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about a 100 times less bandwidth. But still, you know, you'll be able to like do text messages, you know, pictures, like medium resolution videos, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: One of the cool things about the new phone, the new, iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites. Yeah. Imessages. Right. And receiving them.
Speaker 0: But just text?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just text.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But still pretty impressive.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, what are we what are we gonna be looking at a 100 years from now? I mean, when you
Speaker 0: Around 100 years from now. I hope civilization's around. Yeah. That'll be a win.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. What what are the chances that we fucked this whole thing up? 50%.
Speaker 0: It's hard to say. I mean, I guess not like, I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's, like, some really massive global thermonuclear war. But, I mean, Stephen Hawking used he would say that there's, like, a one at least 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate. But there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today.
So you say, like, well, because you look at, say, well, you know, these various civilizations throughout history, whether it's the, like, ancient Sumerians or the, you know, Egyptians, the Romans, like, they they you know, there's like a life cycle to civilization. They reached a peak and then they started subsiding. So so I think a bigger question is like, will will will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in a 100 years? I think it's probably gonna be better. I I think but any estimates are are gonna be so there's so many dependencies, like like an estimate I think is well, I'm not sure it has any meaning, because it's like there's so many things that can happen in a 100 years.
Speaker 1: Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this and we've seen this happen before. Let's course correct and let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: This is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future, is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now, and it might be the only moment in history where this is possible. Because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit, you're only voting for primaries, and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place. You don't really have democracy anymore. You don't really have choice.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't really have freedom.
Speaker 0: That's right. Yeah. I think freedom is is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow, and we'll know we'll know. I think we'll know by the end of day tomorrow. I don't think it's gonna take it's not gonna be, like, days after the election.
I think we'll know tomorrow. Are you optimistic? I I am I am currently optimistic, but, the the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue. So, I don't I don't know what what the reason is, but but men just vote at a much lower rate than women.
Speaker 1: I think it's like 9%. Right? Someone just told me that today.
Speaker 0: It's a it's a it's a big difference. Like and, I'm just like saying this message to men out there, Vote like your life depends on it because I think it does. Vote. Vote tomorrow like your life depends on it. Nothing is more important.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. Listen, man. Thank you for being here. I know you're busy as fuck, so I really appreciate your time.
Speaker 0: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Again, I I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I I really do think you've you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before, And I think it was dangerous.
Speaker 0: It is it is dangerous. Hopefully, I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars. I
Speaker 1: that's that's that's
Speaker 0: what I'm asking for here.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's too much to have.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Appreciate it, John. Thank you. Alright. Alright.
@KettlebellDan - Dan
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