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I sat down with Harmeet Dhillon, a woman of strong faith and great honor, to get her take on lawfare and election integrity. Here’s our conversation. @pnjaban https://t.co/gI2H0h60Vg
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Nicole Shanahan and Harmeet Dhillon discuss a broad critique of how culture, law, and politics are shaping America today, focusing on cancel culture, political power, and the fight over election integrity, free speech, and American ideals.
- On cancel culture and authenticity: The conversation opens with a claim that pursuing political or cultural conformity reduces genuine individuality, with examples of how people are judged or pressured to parroting “woke” messaging. They argue that this dynamic reduces people to boxes—race, gender, or immigrant status—rather than evaluating merit or character, and they describe a climate in which disagreement is met with denunciation rather than dialogue. They stress the importance of being able to be oneself and to engage across differences without being canceled.
- Personal backgrounds and the RNC moment: Nicole Shanahan describes an impression of Harmeet Dhillon speaking at the RNC, highlighting the sense of inclusion across faiths, races, and women in the party. Dhillon emphasizes that this is not about a monolith “white Christian nationalist” stereotype, recounting her own experiences from Dartmouth, where she encountered hostility to stereotypes and where merit-based evaluation (writing, argumentation) defined advancement rather than identity.
- Experiences with California and liberal intolerance: Dhillon notes a pervasive intolerance in California toward dissent on topics like religious liberty and climate justice, describing a glass ceiling in big law for pro-liberty work and a culture of signaling rather than substantive engagement. Shanahan adds that moving away from the Democratic Party to independence has induced personal and professional consequences, such as colleagues asking to be removed from her website due to investor concerns, reflecting broader fears about association in liberal enclaves.
- Diversity, identity, and national identity: They contrast the freedom to define oneself with the coercive “bucket” approach to identity. They argue that outside liberal coastal enclaves, people feel freer to articulate individual identities and values, while California’s increasingly prescriptive DEI training is criticized as artificial and limiting.
- The state of discourse and the danger of intellectual conformity: The speakers warn of a culture where questioning past work or adopting new ideas triggers denouncement and self-censorship. They cite anecdotal experiences—loss of board members, fundraising constraints, and professional risk for those who diverge from prevailing views—claiming this suppresses valuable work in fields such as climate science, criminal justice reform, and energy policy.
- Reform efforts and the political landscape: They discuss the clash between incremental, evidence-based policy and a disruptive, progressivist impulse. Shanahan describes attempts to fix infrastructure of the criminal justice system through technology and data (e.g., Recidiviz) that were undermined by political dynamics. They emphasize the importance of practical, measured reform and cross-partisan cooperation, the need to focus on American integrity and governance, and the risks of pursuing “disruption” as an end in itself.
- Election integrity and lawfare: A central theme is concern about how elections are conducted and contested. Dhillon outlines a view of targeted irregularities in swing counties and cites concerns about ballot counting, observation, and legal rulings. She argues that left-wing funders have built a sophisticated, twenty-year, lawfare apparatus, using nonprofits and strategic lawsuits to influence outcomes, notably pointing to the Georgia ballot-transfer activities funded by Mark Zuckerberg and his wife. She asserts that there is a broader pattern of using C3s and C4s to push political objectives while leveraging the law to contest elections.
- The role of money and influence: They discuss the influence of wealthy donors, political consultants, and media in shaping party dynamics, suggesting Republicans should invest more in district attorney races, state-level prosecutions, and Supreme Court races to counterbalance the left’s long-running investment in the electoral apparatus and litigation strategy. They acknowledge that big donors and activist networks can coordinate to advance policy goals, sometimes at the expense of on-the-ground, local accountability.
- Tech, media, and corporate power: The dialogue covers the Silicon Valley environment, James Damore’s case at Google, and the broader issue of woke corporate culture. Dhillon highlights the disproportionate power of HR in big tech and how employee activism around identity politics can influence careers and policy. Shanahan notes that Google’s founders are no longer central decision-makers, and argues for antitrust and shareholder-rights actions to challenge what they see as woke monopolies that do not serve shareholders or society.
- The path forward: Both speakers advocate for courage to cross party lines, work for principled governance, and engage in issue-focused collaboration. They emphasize the need to reform infrastructure—electoral, health, educational, and economic—through competency, transparency, and bipartisan cooperation, rather than through dogmatic, identity-driven politics. They close with a mutual commitment to continuing the conversation, finding common ground where possible, and preserving the core American ideal that individuals should be free to define themselves and contribute to the country’s future.
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Speaker 0: If I can be canceled by the left, literally anyone can be canceled by the left.
Speaker 1: You cannot advance without parroting every woke bullshit message that has come along over the years.
Speaker 0: Because their biases really had them believing that the Republican Party and anyone around Trump is a white Christian nationalist.
Speaker 1: You get a tax deduction for corrupting an election by using a nonprofit organization.
Speaker 0: Which is a clear abuse.
Speaker 1: We had the government telling all the social media companies what Americans could see that affected the outcome of elections. Many elections, not just the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 0: There's a machine to take out your opponent. A machine built on unconstitutional tactic.
Speaker 1: This isn't do I like Trump or not. This is do I like America or not.
Speaker 0: I'm Nicole Shanahan. Welcome to Back to the People podcast, which highlights the growth of a movement uniting America, where our government is free from corporate capture, and where we give voice back to the American public. Harmit, thank you so much for joining me here today in Woodside. And I have been following your work, but I also just wanted to comment on how beautiful and strong you look standing on stage at the RNC giving a prayer from your heritage
Speaker 1: and
Speaker 0: sharing that with this community, and it was so like, everyone felt it. You could feel it through the screen. You radiated this grace, this connection to God, this desire for coming together for greater purpose.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. That that is very important to me, and my heritage is really and my faith is very much the basis of all of the legal work that I've done to advance liberty. And so, you know, I'm pretty open about it and I'm honored that President Trump allowed me to share that important moment with the whole country.
Speaker 0: Tell us more about it because I don't know many I mean, I think people were both just in awe that the RNC has cast such a wide tent for multiple faiths, multiple races, multiple, you know, women. There's incredible amount of female representation right now in the Republican Party and strong women. Mhmm. And, you know, we're both from liberal Silicon Valley. We both spent a lot of time here, worked here, and and and you're still a Californian.
And liberals don't know what to make of it because their biases have really had them believing that the Republican Party and anyone around Trump is a white Christian nationalist. That's that is not what this I mean, that's not who the r n c is.
Speaker 1: Right. Absolutely. So, you know, it's never been my experience, but it's actually been the liberal stereotype going back decades. When I went to Dartmouth, I was a 16 year old from rural North Carolina from a conservative family. I went to Dartmouth College.
Frankly, I picked the college that was as far away from rural North Carolina as possible that I got into. And I was immediately kind of culture shocked by you know both the intolerance of my sort of upper class elite limousine liberal classmates from New York. And I started getting involved in this conservative newspaper called the Dartmouth Review. And eventually we got into a lot of college controversies. I sued my university.
I was an editor in chief. I was on sixty minutes and featured in the New York Times. And, you know, I remember Morley Safer asking me a kind of very similar question. He's like, well, how can you, how how can, you know, you be part of this sort of, you know, right wing white male organization. I'm like, I'm the third female editor and I'm not the first person who's, you know, different than the mainstream here.
And, you know, he's like, but you speak English so well. You you know, you can't be considered an immigrant. I'm like, well that's that's your false assumption. There are so many false assumptions on the left that they have to put people into boxes. And on the conservative side like starting with that merit based effort, there was no consideration of my race or my gender.
The consideration of the board was how well does she write and can she articulate views well and advance our agenda. That was it. It was merit based. And so that's really been my experience throughout my life in the conservative And you know you're a lawyer like me.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Much less so in law firms by the way. Know today's American law firm might style itself as woke and people have purple hair and they sit on the diversity committee But actually it's still a sort of more male and white dominated field than for example my own law firm that I started. And so there's just so many false assumptions on the left and this desire to pigeonhole people in boxes is really very limiting and unnecessary and frankly un American.
Speaker 0: It it is un American and it actually creates race division in in in odd ways that I think are really unhealthy because it enforces stereotypes as a paradigm for org structure. Yep. And I grew up in Oakland and very diverse place, left when I was 17, you know, saw places that were not as diverse, much more affluent. But, you know, it was everything seemed a lot more people seemed much more comfortable in their own skin.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And so you go to places like Tennessee or or you go to these, you know, historically red states. And I just get the sense that there is greater comfort and ownership of who you are. Mhmm. Because you're not you're you're there's a flexibility to be an individual before you are a race or before you are an identity. Yeah.
Like a pre prescripted Yeah. I agree. Identity.
Speaker 1: I agree. And so so many times in California people try to shame me by saying as a woman of color or as an immigrant how can you fill in the blank? And you really don't get that outside these far left coastal liberal enclaves. And you know I I grew up in rural North Carolina. My dad wears a turban, my brother wears a turban.
He was the only orthopedic surgeon in the whole county and people had to accept different people there and they just did. It was part of the culture and the lifestyle. I felt very comfortable being who I was. My family felt very comfortable worshiping in our faith. Mhmm.
And so that's America. And by the way, you know, for people who take that for granted, I've traveled all over the world, I've lived in other places and this is by far the most free country in the world but we're losing that in some way. We're particularly we have a sharp contrast here in this presidential race over that balkanization and division of spoils approach to governing
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Versus be who you are and be the best that you can be America approach.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Which is how I viewed myself. I always viewed myself as somebody who if I worked hard, you know, got the good grades, got out there, polished myself in in in ways that made me a productive member of society. It didn't matter if I was a woman or, you know, a half a a person from a broken home. Right?
Or a person who grew up on, you know, government assistance at some point or, you know, somebody who was mixed and ambiguous. Like I was always asked, what are you? What are what are you? Right.
Speaker 1: Where are you from? Yeah. You know, and I will always like to mess with people and say, I'm from North Carolina. No. Where are you really from?
No. I'm I'm from Smithfield, North Carolina. That's where I'm from. You know? And so this desire to check a box and put you in a place is really un American, I think.
Speaker 0: I think so too. I I think there's a difference between being curious and being respectful and being like, wow, that's beautiful. I'd love to learn from your culture. And and then either there there's that which is I think a person to person connection.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And then there's this other thing which is a bucket class system.
Speaker 1: Right. Exactly. So there's a difference between tell me about yourself and then you talk about what is important to you and that may come out, it probably would, versus where can I put you and how do I deal with you?
Speaker 0: Or how do I need to treat you?
Speaker 1: How do I need to treat
Speaker 0: you How and should I be treating you?
Speaker 1: You know, in California, we have, under the increasingly targeted employment laws, every partner at my law firm, every lawyer at my law firm has to go through this DEI training, this, diverse sensitivity training. Every couple of years we have to do that. And some of this stuff is just so ridiculous. And, you know, having to worry about some of the things that are really, I think, artificial social constructs as opposed to natural. How do you treat people decently?
It's just very, very limiting and artificial.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. And and so I've been really shocked about the intolerance of the the people I've known for well over a decade, in some cases, sometimes two decades. And and oh, just over the last few months, and it's been a gradient of you know, when I first left the Democratic Party, there was a a set of people who kind of went underground in their association with me. They said, can you take me off your website?
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Because I have a board Right. For my foundation. And they're like, my LPs are calling me. They run hedge funds. And or in some cases, there's hedge funds and then some of them run venture funds.
And they got calls from some of their other investors who are large Democratic Party donors, and they're like, how can you be associated with her? And and and these are the same people who I think quite respected and admired me a few months before. Yeah. And and so no. Just this and this is before I even spoke.
I I I don't or went on any right wing media. None of it. No. This was literally just
Speaker 1: the position.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Of moving from the Democratic Party going independent because these were issues that the Democratic Party no longer cared about. And those issues were childhood health, vaccine safety, and environmental health. Right. And so these calls that I would get like, I'm sorry, like I can't talk to you anymore.
I, you know, if you need me you can call me, but it has to be very quiet.
Speaker 1: I'm on the down low.
Speaker 0: And, can you please take me off your website? And, I was like, this is really weird. This feels very uncomfortable and very un American.
Speaker 1: Welcome to my world, Nicole. I could have told you that that would happen. Wow. I've been living that for all the years I've lived in California. I came to California during the .com boom in 2000.
I worked for three years at, you know, Page Mill Road and, you know, worked in a big law firm there. And, you know, immediately felt it. You know, it was one kind of public interest or pro bono work was welcome. And anything about religious liberty or, you know, on the edges was not welcome. It wasn't part of the orthodoxy.
And so I was constantly having to step back and be told if you really want to advance in this place, you're gonna need to, you know, put that part of you on the shelf. And I just wasn't willing to do it. And so it really created a glass ceiling for me in Big Law in in in California. And so I eventually started my own practice and that was a life changing experience because as the boss I suddenly had the ability to do exactly what I wanted, take the cases I wanted.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know you have to immediately build a thick skin. I didn't have a lot of liberal friends whatever I've had of people have distanced themselves over the years particularly when Trump came onto the scene in 2016. And there is just a complete lack of tolerance in California and it is tolerated, it is expected to be intolerant and it's it's signaling. And so some of your friends probably felt bad internally about doing that if they were genuine people. But for their own economic security and signaling they had to do that, it was survival for them.
And they would have lost business, they would have lost position, they would have lost money had they continued their association with you. And that's that's that's not the America that I remember growing up at all.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And and then there's also this nitpicking of the individual trying to find anything that signals it's kind of this Darvo technique, the, you know, the reversal of the victim card technique. And they they've gotten really good at this. To the extent that it is a culture. Mhmm.
It's a massive pervasive culture and a way of conduct and a way of silencing anyone. And and it's like, it's tearing apart families. We were talking about that. It's tearing apart lifelong friendships. It's tearing apart businesses.
It's tearing apart foundations. I I now actually have lost all of my board members and advisers Oh, no. From my foundation.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you need better ones
Speaker 0: and new ones. In California, it's hard to find people with that wherewithal
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: The economic and the personal and social wherewithal to go, you know, to to say, I still agree with Nicole because the quality of her work. Right. And, what's really interesting is this reverse denouncing of past work. Everyone was, like, celebrating the work I was doing, and it was indisputable. I mean, it was it it was addressing climate change through regenerative agriculture because you you can really do a lot with managing, especially, like, local climate temperatures by land good land management practices.
Something in California that you would think would be obvious because we have so much land here. But, unfortunately, the, you know, current powers that be find these industrial systems to be their solution to climate change. But but, you know, I still fit within the umbrella. She was like, well, she's not a climate denier. And and actually the science, she's bringing the science.
So this is good. So we like this. But the minute I've left Yeah. It it's like all of my past efforts are now being questioned. And I think this is really dangerous because now we're losing all of these qualified thoughtful people Right.
In subjects that really are important.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. There's no room for growth through conversation and, you know, exchange of views. It's very dogmatic. And we've seen this before in history of course.
Right? This is echoes of a cultural revolution where Mhmm. The educated and the, elite in a way, the people who were once respected the next day, they're forced to Yeah. Come before a tribunal and denounce themselves and account for their crimes. And you see this so many times.
You've I'm I'm a knitter. I knit this sweater. You even see it in the knitting world. Well,
Speaker 0: thank You
Speaker 1: see it in the knitting world. Someone there was an there was a prominent knitting blogger who questioned why Michelle Obama was put on the front page of the cover of a knitting magazine when she didn't knit the sweater that she was wearing. Okay. So and did she does she even knit? And this person was like immediately cancelled, denounced, disinvited from yarn shows, had to like make her account private.
And then all the people who've been friends with her had to that post on Instagram and TikTok or whatever apologies that you know, I please accept my apology for you know, I've now been educated about and I've humbled myself. I need to learn. I need to do the work. You know these words you have to say, these formulaic words you have to say to atone for your sin of being a friend with a forbidden person is permeated every level of our society.
Speaker 0: Oh my god. The knitting world's been
Speaker 1: The knitting world has been taken down.
Speaker 0: Oh, no.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 0: I yeah. There's there's so much to talk about here because this is not a way we can we can evolve as a nation. And, I'm seeing things for the first time. I mean, if I can be canceled by the left, literally anyone can be canceled by the left because I was like the darling, like I the poster child Yeah. Of, know, my portfolio was like criminal justice reform, and then I saw what happened to it.
It was like I I came in and I said, like, let's create a more fair transparent system, we'll work with DAs, we'll work with I have this great AI company I've been funding called Recidiviz And Recidiviz helps process all of this caseload because it's the infrastructure of the system that's broken. Sure. The infrastructure is why we have injustice because it's a decrepit lacking competency and expediency and so you lose so many of the foundations of the criminal justice system to the inefficiencies of it. Yep. So I was like, let's fix that.
And then, you know, you have all these like well intentioned progressives And I see them. They're they're all over and I think they're watching what's happening to me and they're like, am I brave enough to speak up? Like, if I make it through this somehow, if you you know, it's like if we make it through this somehow and and give birth to this like more tolerant era, We're gonna be able to bring all these great progressives with us too. But right now they're scared because they're watching our
Speaker 1: Vilification. Absolutely. I mean, look look at the look at the cognitive dissonance on the left on this issue of criminal justice. Which president of The United States has actually recent in recent years pardoned people for drug offenses, pardoned people who are over incarcerated, made overtures towards criminal justice reform, particularly towards minorities who have suffered from the frankly Clinton era, you know, over criminalization of possession offenses. Yeah.
It's president Donald j Trump. That's the only
Speaker 0: very publicly and efficiently and proudly.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Pardon powers are some of the most efficient powers of the executive branch.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely. And so does he get any credit for that? No. Kamala Harris, has put more people in jail for minor offensives to pad her record for her own purposes with no compunction of the families destroyed by that, She's the darling of the left.
And again, the cognitive dissonance between between the actions and the image they portray is shocking. And, you know, we'll get into election related issues but the rhetoric is one thing and the reality is another.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. The cognitive dissonance, I the the people on the left feel it and they're feeling very uncomfortable. And so my goal, Harmeet, has been how do we create a place, a home for these people who who are very much aware of the cognitive dissonance?
Speaker 1: Are they?
Speaker 0: Well, I they feel it. I think they feel it before they're intellectually aware of it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: But, the feeling is there. The feeling of like, well, what am I actually doing? And then, if you make these suggestions, like I was making a suggestion to this woman I've worked with for years on criminal justice reform, I said, you know, I know we've been working together since 2014, but I'd highly recommend you actually go out on the streets and see it with your own eyes and and not just sit in your office and read the reports of the NGOs that you've poured tens of millions of dollars into.
Speaker 1: Like,
Speaker 0: act you know, the landscape is fundamentally different today than it was in 2014 because there were there's this other energy at play right now that is taking things like immigration reform, criminal justice reform, racial tolerance, and and religious tolerance. And there's this other force that's coming into these categories that are progressive categories, and they're just taking all order and dumping it into chaos. Yes. Yes. And so all of these progressives who are like, but I was doing it the right way are now watching just chaos sweep through their fields and they're trying to defend the work they've done.
They're good work. Some of it has been good work. But they're driven to more thoughtless, thoughtless defense
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Of what's going on around them. Yeah. And so my hope, Hermie, and I don't know if it's even possible, is that I can help wake up some of these people to understand that these forces that are coming in and bringing chaos to these areas that really do need careful careful steady hands, thoughtfulness Mhmm. Measured competency.
Speaker 1: Right. Incremental change.
Speaker 0: Incremental change that, you know, is is based on partnership and cooperation, which which is all the things Progressive
Speaker 1: is believing. Yeah. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. And empiricism, measurable data collection that that they can begin to see that what has happened to these fields that they've dedicated their lives to. And this is where people have to get over their ego a little bit. But, where they've dedicated their lives to that they have been co opted
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: By something that is very dark, very old, has been around for a very long time, has impacted your family, my family, you know, is the reason why we're in The United States. I was talking to an Iranian woman who escaped Iran. She's an engineer. She lives here. She knows.
Yep. We all know. We know what's going on. We have it in our blood.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Absolutely. And we we don't take it for granted the promise of America. And what America's becoming is very scary because the these evil forces, these nihilistic forces that have overtaken many parts of the world are at our doorstep right now.
And they have western credentialed faces, but they represent this evil. And that's that's really how I feel when I think, can I do one more hour of work today? Can I do one more podcast? Can I do one more media appearance? Well, I have to because the way of life that my parents brought me to America for is at stake right now.
And it's a one way ratchet, what we've seen in the rest of the world. Yeah. It doesn't come back.
Speaker 0: No. I I just got chills because I feel that too. And I know you just went through something in your personal life that is so hard. You lost your husband and and here you are. You know, you're out here fighting this fight and and taking so much like criticism from the outside world and you know, when when you first came in here you said you just you grow a thick skin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You really have to. And if you wanna do this work, you have to. So first of all, it's one of the beautiful lessons my husband, taught me was don't read the comments. Yeah.
Yeah. Don't engage. And on the listserv of your HOA where people are attacking you for no reason other than your views that are outside whether we should, you know, use natural sheep to, you know, retard the, you know, fire load on the on the ground, don't respond. You know, you have to pick your battles and getting down into the dirt with those people is not productive. It makes them feel better.
So I have maintained that discipline. It's hard sometimes and Yeah. Sometimes the critics are within your own party. That and you've experienced the the left attacking you, and I I've had that myself and on my side as well. So, you know, you just have to keep your eyes on the prize.
What are the goals and not get bogged down in the petty stuff?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I that's a good lesson. The the path forward so it it you know, Trump's numbers are doing exceptionally well, and we can talk a little bit about the election. It's, less it's, I believe, less than two months away now.
Speaker 1: Yep. We're within the sixty days, and I agree with that assessment as of today. And it is chaotic. You have the whole mainstream media out there aligned with the other side, So you have to read all of these things through a filter. And how do you account for the lawfare aspect of it and the distortion of our election system and accurately predict.
That's the challenge as well.
Speaker 0: And you've been following an a your massive contributor on the legal front, election integrity with ballots. I I read Laura Logan's recent investigative report on the current state of the voting machines and mail in ballots and ballot stuffing.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: She's predicting massive irregularities. It's she's already seeing it. Is is this also what you're seeing as well with
Speaker 1: So let me, break it down a little bit. This whole election so much as we live here and we love to bash California, California is irrelevant in the national election. Right? It's going to vote for the democrat whoever that is. That's maybe one day we'll change that.
That's not the case right now. Yeah. And even most of the states are irrelevant. They're either gonna go one way or the other. And even those battleground states, you're really talking about a dozen counties or less in The United States where this election is going to be decided.
And so a lot of the naysayers of the critiques of the election irregularity say, well I haven't seen that. I I you know, no one's stuffing ballots in San Francisco. Well, We don't deploy vote monitors in San Francisco. I've done that one time. There's no hanky panky going on here that doesn't need to be.
There's an organic overwhelming Democratic vote here. Mhmm. The hanky panky occurs in the urban districts, the urban counties of the swing states. Occurs in Maricopa County. Mhmm.
It occurs in you know Detroit. It occurs in in the Wisconsin cities. It occurs in Pennsylvania cities. That's where the distortions occur. That's where you see people in the twenty twenty election putting up physical barriers and not allowing statutory observation of the ballot counting.
Wow. That's where you see promises that we're gonna stop counting at 10PM and then counting continues and ballots go in. Just wholesale ignoring of laws passed by legislatures and then this is endorsed by judges who, refuse to enforce the laws passed by the legislature. So a few unelected bureaucrats or elected perhaps change the outcome of an election in a few counties and that changes the outcome of the national election. That's what happened in 2020.
So you don't have to have massive irregularity, you have to have targeted irregularity with a massive outcome. You know, so in Georgia, Georgia did not allow ballot harvesting and mules being paid to carry ballots but Mark Zuckerberg paid for that. And Georgia's Republican elected officials at the time hated president Trump so much they let it go. And that's how Georgia went in the wrong direction through just a couple of technical means. Now we've gone to court after the fact extensively to fight these things and I think we're in a better place in many of these states because of that.
Have we eradicated all of these potential loopholes? Absolutely not. So I'm losing sleep over that and I will tell you that the left has been funding lawfare but it it's not just the lawfare of filing lawsuits, it's who hears the lawsuits. They've been preparing the way for that for about twenty years since since the two thousand and four election. They lost a two thousand and four election.
I mean, Americans of course in a patriotic wave supported the current administration at that time, wishy washy as it was in many respects in my opinion. But George Soros galvanized Democratic donors to change the way they funded elections. And they did it in a very disciplined way and it's now their twentieth year of doing it. And so Democrats have a whole alternate system. They have they have a bank.
They have you know, act blue, which I think is probably laundering money from sources that are unaccounted. There's a lot of unexplained micro donations happening from moderate retired people that are really unexplainable. So they've been doing that in many ways but what they've been doing through the front door, let's call it the front door, is something that Republicans haven't been doing, have to criticize my party on this. Every, successful car salesman or farmer or whatever they decide they wanna run for Congress or Senate or governor. And there's nobody paying and investing in people running for district attorney in a borderline or a purple city where you know that district attorney could be prosecuting people for vote fraud.
A democrat district attorney will never prosecute people for vote fraud. We have now seen in the last few weeks many stories, the Department of Justice just indicted somebody in this last week for for voting in multiple jurisdictions. It happens. It happens even according to Democrat prosecutors. But they they pick one or two examples and they say we found the two people who did it.
It's not happening other than the two people we prosecuted. It is happening. It is happening all over the place. Our governments, because of the way that we do elections, are sending ballots to people who aren't entitled to vote. Mhmm.
They're registering people who aren't entitled to vote. People who are maybe ignorantly not perfectly fluent in English are checking boxes when they get their driver's licenses and they're registering to vote. And they're in a in a absolutely legal regime, they would lose their ability to become citizens. That is not happening in this country. And so, anyway, I digress.
The point is Democrats have been it it costs as little as half $1,000,000 to elect a district attorney to a city. Yep. That's all the investment required. Mhmm. It costs millions to get someone elected to congress, but that one district attorney can change the outcome of the election in that state.
Oh, That one district attorney in Philadelphia can change the outcome of the Pennsylvania election. And so if we invested in that, let's forget Republican, if we invested in some moderate person who will just call balls and strikes, that would be an advancement over the system we have for relatively little money. The Republican billionaires and millionaires and and well heeled investors need to invest in that. They need to invest in Supreme Court justice races. I, you know, we had a Wisconsin Supreme Court election last year.
And I I remember, I remember I just I think run against Rana and lost that election, and I I was caught off guard on Fox News. I was asked a question about it. And she said, well, how do you think Republicans did to one out of 10 in harvesting the votes for that? I said, two. We lost.
Yeah. Avoid that I get a nasty phone call after that from my party leadership. But that's the fact. The fact is Yeah. We we claim that we're doing it well, but push comes to shove we didn't turn out the vote the way the left did.
And if we had won that election we would be less nervous about Wisconsin in this election.
Speaker 0: I will say that now having been in the middle because that's where Bobby and my campaign was. We were kind of squished between the big, you know, DNC and then their crazy strategic operation that really does put lawfare front and center. Mhmm. It it it is it's efficient for them, it's cost effective, they don't have to raise as much, and it allows for money to exchange between hands very very easily. Because you can you can pay the lawyer to do this, you can pay the DA to do or you you paid to get the DA to get in and and I mean, that's gotta
Speaker 1: You can buy the judges.
Speaker 0: You can buy the judges. So it's all very mapped. They have good data science. I've seen it. I mean, the number of organizations for which I've seen their strategic documents, it's probably like you know, five dozen
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Different organizations. Right. And they are precise. Mhmm. They are targeted, and that is exactly what they do.
And I've supported that. I will say it. You know, I get a lot of criticism for the right for my past donations. But I was told that that is what you do to win elections. I did not support ever any of the ballots.
Think I wasn't aware of it actually because they don't sell that. They they they would never donors would never fund that kind of conduct.
Speaker 1: Well, big donors are doing it. The Mark Zuckerbergs of the world who are now backtracking and saying, I won't be doing it this time around. He did it. He did it in a wholesale fashion. All of the Georgia ballot stuffing was funded by one man and his wife, Mark Zuckerberg and his wife.
Jesus. That's how they did it. Yeah. You're right. They probably couldn't get retail investors to say, let's corrupt the elections in Georgia by ignoring the law, doing it Sub Rosa, making sure there's no cameras when we do this illegal stuff.
That's what they did and they got away with it. And they got away with it maybe because one billionaire decided I'm gonna take that project on myself. Now maybe he won't do it this time around but it was pretty successful. Yeah. And so, you know, it's it's on the left, it's calibrated to the point that the plaintiffs in many I have about half a dozen cases going on right now where the plaintiff, they all hire Mark Elias or his, you know, cronies.
Michigan Welfare Rights Association or the NAACP, nonprofits. Okay? So you even get more bang for your buck if you're able to do it that way. Right? You get a tax deduction for corrupting an election by using a nonprofit organization to carry the water of saying it's racist to require voter ID.
Speaker 0: Right. So C3s, basically. A lot of C3s end up being deployed as c four operations. Correct. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: They
Speaker 0: Which is a clear abuse.
Speaker 1: A clear abuse, and there's nobody to prosecute that. Nobody's prosecuting it. Yeah. Look.
Speaker 0: These are these are all things that I've seen happen to my own portfolio and been like, ah, no. And so that's why the last five years of my life I was like, you know, criminal justice reform, I think I'm just gonna that something's happened here with the trying to fix the infrastructure of the criminal justice system. Right. It is being co opted to effectively progress an agenda that is political.
Speaker 1: Oh
Speaker 0: yeah. It's Big not helping any of these individuals who are stuck in the system. And I've very clearly seeing that the last five years. So I pivoted and I said, okay. Let's work on on, you know, minority owned farmland.
Because if you look at the numbers, farmland across The United States, you know, black farmers have lost 60% of agricultural role ownership. Let's and that's impacting the food supply. And so when you talk about these food deserts, it's because the communities are not feeding themselves and they have big ag coming in and buying up all of these Foreign ag. And, foreign ag coming in and buying it up. And, so I'm like, I'm looking around in my progressive community, I'm like, who wants to work on this?
This is so obvious. This is such a great way to progress equity and and solve many of the social issues.
Speaker 1: Who's any takers for that?
Speaker 0: Chirp chirp.
Speaker 1: Nobody. The takers are? The takers are pushing black ownership of marijuana outlets. That's where the money is in states like like California.
Speaker 0: But you can't eat marijuana.
Speaker 1: You can't eat marijuana. No. You'll be eating Cheetos and Doritos when you have your marijuana.
Speaker 0: Right. And and so I've I for me, I'm like the the calculation is so simple and beautiful and refined and and and I can't find any takers on the progressive side anymore and that's been my experience pretty much predominantly the last five years.
Speaker 1: It's almost like their virtue signaling doesn't match up with, you know, the impact of their activities.
Speaker 0: It's blatant hypocrisy. Yep. It is blatant it's it's hypocrisy. It's incompetence. And now I'm looking at how much money is flowing through it and who's funding those things and it's corruption.
Speaker 1: And who's receiving the money and what are they doing with it? I mean, you saw that Yeah. It's been highlighted in the case of the notorious Black Lives Matters organization. But there are, as you point I pointed out the Democrats who created this Arabella Advisors which invests in over 200 nonprofits, the Tides Foundation on down, Ford Foundation, but there's lots of little ones you never heard of. And that's a lifestyle for activists and it's a lifestyle for all the people who work there.
And, how many human beings lives are impacted in a positive way? None, really.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Because, well, and they're told that well, you take it, it doesn't matter how many people you help, can help a few people in your community and that's enough. And, if you cause enough chaos and resistance against any of the infrastructure or or any of the establishment, then good job.
Speaker 1: Yep. Disruption is the is the goal. That's enough.
Speaker 0: This disruption is plenty. Someone will pick it up
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Later. Yeah. And the thing is is all of those someones who will pick it up, we can't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, we need to fix that. And so I think I think your act of being the VP candidate for a disruptive candidate was an act of bravery and what you guys have done together to, you know, cross the aisle is even more brave.
Speaker 0: We wanted to win and statistically we could have won if it it had not been for the law fair because as you pointed out, the Republican Party wasn't as organized on the ground, they just weren't, and so I came and I analyzed what was going on over there and I said, we can beat this.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And then I was looking at the left and I was like, they're just crazy, they have no policy, people think It's raw power. I mean, yeah. Joe Biden's can't make it up a flight of stairs and it's becoming harder and harder for the media to cover for him. I did see the Kamala Harris thing coming, I what I you know what I under anticipated with that was how well produced her debut was gonna be and and that they had put like 200,000,000 into buying influencers and producing her and doing her media, but I knew that was gonna peak and come down as it did. And then I and then I saw all of America and I was like, these I love my country so much and I love the people here and I saw the Asian Americans speaking out against what was going on, small business owners who felt disenfranchised.
I saw the black community frustrated and seeing the inconsistencies and messaging towards delivery of real services.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: I saw people across the spectrum calling for school choice for the first time. Right. And I was like, this is, we're unified. We are unified, America is unified on the issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a lane where someone like that could win.
Speaker 0: I agree. But
Speaker 1: you did not you know, you're new to the game so you did not realize that it's very heavily rigged on the left side and there's a machine and you're not part of it.
Speaker 0: Well, there's a machine to take out your opponents. Yeah. And it is a machine built on unconstitutional tactics
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 0: Anti American tactics, anti justice system. Mean Oh it is so illegal
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 0: Many of the things that they're doing and if we had you know similar lawfare on the right which just doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. The right is just playing defense constantly.
Speaker 1: If that, I mean I Yeah. It was my main focus when I ran for chair of the RNC and I, you know, I'm a volunteer in politics, I don't get anything out of it. I mean my law firm does work including for the Trump campaign in this cycle, but we weren't doing it at that time. And I had silently lived through the third term of the prior chair and gritted my teeth. You know, my leader, my party supported that.
And so I said, okay, this third term and then we're gonna have a chance for change because she promised that. And then the fourth term came around and I was like, look, I do not spend my and my husband's nights and weekends volunteering for the party to just have it flushed down the drain through this sheer, like, inaction corruption. There's corruption on our side too. The political consultant class will back anything that pays them and they will back a broken machine that will lose because they know they'll still be there to have a job afterwards. That's it's as simple as that.
So I took on the consultant class not really thinking that through And all the consultants on the right, you know, unified against me and we had what we had. And so we're now a year behind where we would have been. I think the campaign and the current RNC leadership is doing their best to catch up. But there is an institutional, we're a decade or more behind, fifteen years I would say behind. We've certainly realized the importance of it.
But getting donors to understand that this is a multi year this isn't do I like Trump or not? This is do I like America or not? And am I going to invest in bringing America back to a level playing field where people can evenly exchange ideas and the best person wins?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That is just not what we have right now. And when you have not invested in Supreme Court races and prosecutor races Yep. And district attorney races and and AG races even and laid the groundwork, when you don't have a pipeline, when you don't when you have power like we had in 2017 Mhmm. And you don't fix loopholes in the National Voter Registration Act Mhmm. Which allows people to not show ID and encourages prosecutors and AGs to look the other way and secretaries of state to have an open system, a porous system, you could have fixed that.
Mhmm. We could have fixed Communications Decency Act section two thirty loopholes that enabled Censorship. Lying and censorship and propaganda at a massive level both with COVID issues, but also with election issues. Yeah. We could have fixed that in 2017.
If our Republican party had discipline, message discipline, and had accountability, but but but there's the power of incumbency, that's a systemic problem that affects both parties Mhmm. Has affected your side certainly as well as ours. But there's this power of incumbency My former side. Your former side.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's this power of incumbency that is has really made DC very sclerotic. So all those laws that if I were the queen for a day I would fix, there's nobody who's running on the agenda of fixing that. Who's running on the agenda of fixing NVRA so that states can require proof of citizenship to register to vote? Nobody's calling for that on my side which is supposedly our platform. So that's what makes me crazy.
And you know people are always approaching me for money in much smaller check amounts than than perhaps others. And I ask those questions and you know most people are just not asking the questions even. So
Speaker 0: I hear you. I I really hear you. I hear the need right now. And this is why I I I'm not ready to, you know, change my I I I wanna be an independent for a while because I think a lot of this is gonna come from independents who, you know, might vote for a good Democrat over here and a good Republican over there has the means to fund Mhmm. Something that is strictly about American integrity Sure.
And election integrity and integrity of the DOJ and and calls out the inconsistencies because I'm tired of seeing well intentioned people giving their money to groups that are being then co opted for political purposes.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: We are not going to solve the issues this country faces. We do have a criminal justice system issue. Our incarceration rates are through the roof. But we're not going to fix the infrastructure, which is what America needs right now. America investment in its infrastructure across everything, across climate related food supply chain issues, health care.
That that that's a corruption issue as much as an it's an infrastructure issue. But but the criminal justice system as well and social justice issues
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: These are infrastructure issues. Education, it's an infrastructure issue. Yep. And and and I see $10,000,000,000 in this election cycle going to fight each other. Right.
$10,000,000,000 to fight each other. None of that's going to infrastructure improvements for election integrity.
Speaker 1: Right. And you know what? It's funny as you talk about the infrastructure. I agree with you completely. And in Silicon Valley, the answer to everything is always like some technological fix like AI.
AI is not gonna fix these issues. There's some fundamental bricks and mortars things that have to be fixed in all of these things.
Speaker 0: I just, you know, wanna take a step back and say it's really nice to sit here and talk to someone about issues versus parties because I will work with anybody to fix the issues. And that is when America is at its best, when we see a broken road and we come together and and figure out how to fix it, when we see a need for a bridge and we come together and we build the bridge. Right. We don't argue with each other about who's gonna build the bridge. Right.
Speaker 1: And America used to be that way until fairly recently. You know, some younger folks may not remember the time when people would be giving speeches on the opposite sides of something in Congress and then they would play basketball together afterwards.
Speaker 0: Or go to the each other's kids birthdays parties.
Speaker 1: Go to each other's kids birthdays parties or respect each other or joke with each other or have dinner with each other. That doesn't happen anymore in DC, and it doesn't happen anymore in Sacramento. I mean, Sacramento has become like the paradigm of, you know, just sclerotic inefficiency over there. It's just a one party state with terrible results for the consumers because of that. If we had a vibrant two party state here, we would have some compromise and we would have some solutions.
But, you know, we we are just absolutely, I think, circling the drain. It I always think it's gotta stop getting worse here and it and it doesn't. And so it's Yeah. It's kind of shocking because it's the most beautiful state. It's the most incredible diversity of climates and landscapes and the Silicon Valley where we've both chosen to make our homes for decades is the the engine the of ingenuity and change and it's become unlivable here and for most people.
I mean if you're a millionaire and you have the ability to buy your way out of the healthcare crisis and the food crisis and all of that, you're okay. But I I suffered through the American health care system, for the last couple of years with my husband's health, and we had the resources to pay for private doctors and outside insurance, and I had the ability to basically quit my job for months and go to every medical appointment. And I have an assistant who called insurance every few minutes over every little thing. But and I kept saying to my husband, well, we thank God every night for that. But how does the rest of the world live?
How do they cope
Speaker 0: with I have this an child. And I will tell you, it is hard even with unlimited financial resources to provide the kind of life I want to give this child because she's severely autistic and needs someone with her a 100% of the day. I don't know how one in in twenty two families is dealing with this right now in the state of California. And my heart breaks thinking about what is going on in this state.
Speaker 1: It's very broken, and there's no accountability for it. There's no one talking about it in the presidential race. Mm-mm. It is taken for granted, and that is one of many issues. The schools.
The schools are broken in America. And I have been doing litigation on some of these issues over parent parents being excluded, parental rights. It's not a political issue people are really talking about very much, you know. And so people are talking about two or three hot button issues but these are the issues that motivate that make people miserable, that change their lives, that destroy lives and these are the issues politicians need to be talking about.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, let's talk about California a little bit because I've I made the mistake of saying I would consider running for governor and people went nuts online. Yeah. And, I was like, there's a real desire for something different here. And it's coming from the left and it's coming from the right.
Maybe there is a chance that there is a independent sweep or even a republican sweep of the state this come November. Trump is estimated right now to walk away with about 40% of the vote here in California. That's millions of people.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. Mean, you at a map, people don't realize it and people are always mocking me for living where I live and I
Speaker 0: Well, you're in the epicenter.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm the epicenter. But I also have a home on the coast where I can see the whales from my house and that's really beautiful.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but when you look at the map, California is a red state by geography. You know, there's a thin slice of blue on the coast where there's a population overload but most of the state. And you just drive an hour into the interior of our state and there's Trump signs everywhere and there's people working with their hands and there's people involved in their communities and there's nature and there's beauty. And so it is a different it is really two states in that sense and it's an East West divide of the state. Mhmm.
But, you know, it's sort of with self interested, you know, line drawing and the so called independent commission, which isn't independent. Yeah. It it really defines a ceiling for Republicans right now until that system changes. It's happened in the past. It's happened in the past.
Ronald Reagan came from here. Right. Pete Wilson was the governor, and we've had Republican leaders in the state when the state was great. And I don't think other states wanna emulate California's infrastructure, its schools, its, you know, health care system. We are not a paradigm of anything positive right now and that that should change.
And so maybe an independent is is a way back for that. I hope you seriously consider that. But, you know, when you when you really drill down I was I was living in San Francisco when Gavin Newsom was the mayor.
Speaker 0: Yep.
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom owned businesses. Gavin Newsom was the darling of the business community of San Francisco. And he was part of the wealthy family, the Getty family supported him, and Willie Brown machine supported him and all of that. And to become governor in this state and in this Democratic party today, you have to abandon all pretense of supporting businesses through the front door. Yeah.
You have to run to the far left to be accepted by the party, and he's happily done that in his quest. I mean, it could have turned out differently. Something biologically could have happened differently. He could have been the replacement candidate for president. He wanted to be the replacement He's candidate for a white man.
That's a that's an institutional barrier for him. He may have peaked because of that, and I'm not crying any tears.
Speaker 0: They didn't even have him speak at the DNC.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that was obviously Kamala Harris and her influence and her machine, you know, made sure that he's permanently sidelined. But Yeah. That's probably okay for America because the man is hollow and has no principles.
Speaker 0: Oh, and he's he he gave up every bit of integrity Every
Speaker 1: bit of integrity along the
Speaker 0: that the machine would reward him for it.
Speaker 1: Yes. Exactly. He sold his soul He sold his and he did not get the payback. And he won't. Think he's peaked.
Yep. I think he's peaked. The best thing he can hope for is you know, in the in a future democrat administration hopefully many years from now, ambassador or Maybe
Speaker 0: if he transitioned to a woman.
Speaker 1: I won't put it past him.
Speaker 0: Right. I mean that one that would let him back on stage. They'd let him back on stage maybe at this point. Well because I mean like look, I'm joking but but it's there's a bit of truth to it, you know? Like Pete Buttigieg ran on being a gay man with black children.
Like it is it is it is all identity politics.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. It is.
Speaker 0: And if you kinda just wiggle your way a little bit more into one of these like celebrated identities, they'll get they'll platform you. Right. But if you are a traditional white man living with your blonde wife and multiple children and your postcard has a chicken on it or your holiday card has because I've one of his holiday cards where his kids holding a chicken, you don't fit in anymore. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Thanks for playing.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Well that's okay actually for America in that case, but it's too bad that you know, that's that's the system where all this talent is is is being sidelined.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, yeah. I wouldn't say Newsom is talent being sidelined, but you know, and and you feel that way too. But I also find it a bit hilarious that they cannibalize themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well at some point, my husband used to joke with me about this is like you know, oh you're having a rally, you need to take the rainbow coalition of you know person in a wheelchair and trans person in a wheelchair and you need to have the whole you know, panoply of characters in order to be able to have a successful protest when no one's gonna pay attention to you if you're simply normal people protesting about something. Yeah. So you know, that identity politics is and it's it's comical because it has to constantly reinvent itself. I mean, there was no such thing as, you know, some of the contortions we're seeing recently.
There was no such thing. And now suddenly so I don't know what the next frontier of of category is going to be, but I shudder to think because it's already pretty bad.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And it's just it's hard. It's it's hard to live a life as an individual. And it's like if people would just feel free to be themselves and and not some category of person, it would be much better. But before we wrap up, I wanted to talk about media.
My ex husband co founded Google and actually retired. And I have to say that your your representation of James Damore was very interesting because I will say that my ex husband is probably more like James Damore than he is in terms of a representation of of this kind of ultra woke culture that's now there. And I think he actually was you know, he they they kind of they they needed to reset their management.
Speaker 1: I heard that at the boardroom level that he wasn't one of the ones who was in favor of this, you know, purge, but of of the of of the how James was treated. But, you know, ultimately, he didn't win. And James James, for this crime of and, you know, he's he's a character like so many in the Silicon Valley of 2017. Intelligent man from the Midwest who came to this job, dropped out of a PhD program at Harvard to to take this well paid programmer job in his twenties and was very bright, was upwardly mobile in the company. And to get to the next level in the company, like every company in Silicon Valley, he had to go through the diversity training.
And the diversity training is a euphemism for the reeducation in in the checking of the boxes. And in that course of that, he, like many white males, suddenly realized he's the enemy in that calculus. He's the lowest person on the totem pole. There's no way in his lifetime he's gonna be able to climb out of that hole. And so he said, well, this doesn't seem fair.
Maybe we should consider, you know, ideological diversity.
Speaker 0: Well, I have I have it here. So I had actually never read Google's ideological echo chamber.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: I had never read it because I just assumed it was full of hate. Right. The media described That's
Speaker 1: how the media portrayed
Speaker 0: pers described him as this, you know, white supremacist who hates women and wrote a manifesto against women. And then I read it, and I'm like, wait a second. This guy says some pretty, like, interesting things. He says, neither the left or right is a 100% correct and both viewpoints are necessary for a functioning society or in this case a company. Right.
And then he goes on to saying, look, I I believe there should be a good number of women in tech. But what I've noticed is that if we're going to do this kind of hiring, here's a better way to do it. Like, women are fantastic at managing cooperation across teams. Women are fantastic at front end engineering, which is why you see more front end engineers represented by women. They're great project managers.
And and that's and he's just laying it out. He's like, just think about it differently
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: So that you don't create a psychologically adverse place for non minorities. Right. And
Speaker 1: Well, that was the wrong thing to say at Google. So
Speaker 0: Well, hey, but I really encourage people to actually read this document. I mean, it's not like the perfect PC document. But it's it's damn close to being pretty PC.
Speaker 1: And you have to read it in the context of what was Google at that time. Right. Google had and by the way, Google has changed this from what I understand to protect against lawsuits like mine. But Google has had a number of affinity group like chats and people were encouraged to spend 20% of their time in non work related chatting with one another on furry sexuality and, you know, transsexuality and, you know, off roading, whatever it is. They had affinity groups for everything, and you could engage in that, but you couldn't engage in this.
This was a wrong thing. You couldn't say maybe we should reorganize the way that we think and include different viewpoints. He's not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 0: No. He's his girlfriend is a feminist data scientist Yeah. Who works at that
Speaker 1: And so, you know, the but but it was a conservative lawyer who stepped up for him. See? Because there was no liberal lawyer in California, no labor lawyer who was willing to defend James D'Amour. I mean, so the the call went out amongst conservative groups. This guy got fired for no good reason.
Can we help him? And I was literally the only plaintiff's conservative employment lawyer in the Northern California and willing to take that risk. So I did, and I'm really proud of the work that we did there because we highlighted the absurdity of and Google is not unique. The same was happening at multiple tech companies. It's happening probably today for all I know.
I mean, tech has left California. A lot of those workers don't live here, they don't have to put up with California's labor laws. But the group think, and it was incredible. So I'm I'm really proud of that work that we did, and we've And helped some other people like so but I couldn't have done that at a big law firm. It had to be a boutique to be able to do that where I was able to take the risk.
And, over the years, every time I take a controversial client on, someone will call me and say, I can't. Give me back my retainer. That's okay. You know?
Speaker 0: What did you learn about Google through this case? Who's actually running Google these days? Because the founders, I'll tell you, they're off enjoying life. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: They moved on to other endeavors. They're They're they're dabbling with new endeavors. And so this is 2017, that case. And what I learned is that this is kind of a truism across technologies, but the HR people have disproportionate power. And they're like the jailer.
There's a personality type who goes into being a prison warden. Okay? I've represented Yeah. People in that world as well. It's not a personality type I like to socialize with.
And HR people are kind of like that too. They're the gatekeepers, the wardens, the discipline the the people who hand out the hall passes, and the people who make and break people's careers. They had real disproportionate power compared to their actual contribution to the company's well-being. They're certainly the shareholders' well-being. So there's a lot of that.
But I remember going to a college reunion, law school reunion, and there was an in house counsel who was one of my classmates. She works at one of the big tech companies.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I I am by far the most famous member of my class at that reunion in terms of PR. But this person wouldn't make eye contact with me. I always walked up to her. Say, hey. I'm Harmi.
Remember me? She's like, oh, yeah. I know who you are. And, like, turned her back on me. And, you know, the fact is that people like me make people, like challenge people like her.
You know? And so that's it's that, like, high school level of of are you in the club or are you not in the club? So Yeah. All these lawyers, all these executives, they've had to toe the same political lines that you and I were talking about at the beginning of this podcast. You cannot advance in that culture.
You cannot make managing director. You cannot make senior vice president. You cannot advance without parroting every woke bullshit message that has come along over the years. And so that is the group think. And how does that benefit shareholders?
Does that benefit shareholders? I'm telling you it doesn't benefit shareholders. Now, these companies are artificially propped up by these woke left wing consortiums that control investor, dollars and
Speaker 0: and And advertising dollars.
Speaker 1: Advertising dollars. So we've I don't know if you know this, but we've taken that on at my law firm. We represent that. We represent a big social media company that has that has taken that on.
Speaker 0: Oh I have
Speaker 1: a feeling
Speaker 0: I know which one.
Speaker 1: And so and so Yeah. You know, this is this is necessary. So we're using antitrust law at my firm now to take on the woke monopolist of ideas that are driving corporate dollars, that are driving pension fund investments. And we want we need to break up that monopoly because it's not good for shareholders. It's not delivering value to shareholders.
I would argue that woke investing is not delivering value to shareholders.
Speaker 0: Censorship is is really hurting shareholders too.
Speaker 1: Censorship is hurting shareholders. Censorship. Mhmm. People don't understand Propaganda. People people don't understand the extent to which America has a state media narrative.
We have a provda. We had the government telling this all the social media companies what Americans could see. That affected the outcome of elections, many elections, not just the twenty twenty election. It affects today. I mean, I say we used to have the military industrial complex when I was growing up.
That was the most powerful big bad bear out there. Today, it's big pharma. Big pharma is absolutely controlling, media, controlling corporations, controlling what you see on every television network. And people don't understand how that's affecting their lives. Why is every doctor prescribing statins to everybody above a certain age?
Maybe we should ask questions about that, you know, and there are very few doctors who are willing to stand up and challenge that because they lose their jobs, they get de platformed.
Speaker 0: I've been looking at different shareholder routes as well because shareholder lawsuits are incredibly powerful. There was one almost ten years ago with Google which changed their entire of Me Too environment. They had to rewrite all of their employment and arbitration agreements. So these shareholder lawsuits go a really long way. Who is anyone bringing like a censorship shareholder suit right now that you've seen?
Speaker 1: Someone has to fund these things, you know? I mean
Speaker 0: I would.
Speaker 1: Okay. We should talk about that.
Speaker 0: I I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Especially if you have There's lawyers ready to do it. And so you have, you just have to you just have to marry the plaintiffs who are willing to stand up and take the hits Mhmm. And the assassinations, character assassination, investors to support it, and targets who can change through that process.
And so it's a you know, I've done a lot of what we call impact litigation through my whole career and you have to put those elements together with a good lawyer and a good forum Mhmm. And the possibilities are limitless.
Speaker 0: Are there any forums left in California?
Speaker 1: I don't wanna give away the secret sauce. Okay. Yeah, there are places I would sue over other places. I would not sue in Silicon Valley probably. Right.
But you know, there are even some lawsuits that can't be had in the Ninth Circuit. But there are other places where you know, first of all a lot of our California corporations have left California. That's true. They've taken their culture and their executives to Texas or Mhmm. You know, Florida or Tennessee or whatever.
But guess what? The the courts are different in those places and they're susceptible to pressure and change there where they aren't in California. And so that actually opens up a lot of opportunities for us.
Speaker 0: I'm optimistic. Meeting you is so inspiring on so many levels, spiritually, intellectually, a sense of, you know, I have that thing too of, like, this is wrong. We need to do right. And if, you know, you look around and you can't find anyone to do the right thing, you gotta just do it yourself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 0: And and I I really admire that about you.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And I am inspired by your guys' campaign and your incredible bravery in crossing party lines to do what's right for America. That is inspiring to me.
Speaker 0: We have to. We have to learn how to just be competent and Americans that believe in who we are. Right? Who believe that as an individual you get to be whoever you wanna be. That's right.
We can have reasonable conversations with each other.
Speaker 1: And disagreements. And disagreements. Break bread at the end of the day.
Speaker 0: Amen to that. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you for having me.
@NicoleShanahan - Nicole Shanahan
MSM wants to blame Trump for the price of eggs, and soon they rightly can if @BrookeLRollins doesn’t get a grip on this nonsense. I know a team of farmers and farm defense lawyers that would love to help her chart a path out of this mess!
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CONFIRMED! Congratulations, Bobby. Congratulations, America. Thank you, President Trump. https://t.co/LQMYO1vdZR
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I've seen an upwelling of optimism across the country. Something is stirring in us, and it's time to take back our country. I'm proud to introduce my running mate, Nicole Shanahan – a fellow lawyer, brilliant scientist, technologist, and fierce warrior mom.
This campaign is about what is sacred: health, families, and this land. America leads the world in chronic illness, we're all being poisoned, and they're profiting from it. But we can fix this, and I'm on a spiritual journey to end this calamity.
The most unifying theme for all Americans is our love for our children. We can unite around this issue to give them the protection, health, and future they deserve. We want to make America healthy again. If you are sick, you only have one dream, and that's to get better. We are gonna make America healthy again.
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Speaker 0: We are told today that our nation is hopelessly divided, but I found something different as I travel this country. I have witnessed an upwelling of optimism that I've never seen before. Something is stirring in us. Let's go take back our country. R.
P. Junior is just about ready to make headlines with his running mate choice. And I'm so proud to introduce to you my fellow lawyer, a brilliant scientist, technologist, a fierce warrior mom, Nicole Shanahan.
Speaker 1: This campaign is so much more than politics. This campaign is about what is sacred, health and our families in this beautiful land that deserves much greater attention and care than we've given it.
Speaker 0: Robert f Kennedy junior's favorability is skyrocketing. Bobby Kennedy just got up and said, America leads the world in chronic illness.
Speaker 2: This is a real issue that we all face, and we're all being poisoned. And they're profiting off of it. It. But when someone like RFK Junior comes along and says, hey, I think we can fix this. It's like give him a chance.
Speaker 0: This is a spiritual journey for me. For nineteen years, I prayed every morning that God would put me in a position to end this calamity. Most unifying theme for all Americans is that we all love our children. If we all unite around that issue now, we can finally give them the protection, the health, and the future that they deserve.
Speaker 3: Some have called this an unlikely partnership. Former president Trump and Robert f Kennedy junior have formed an alliance. Former president Trump says he'll work with Robert f Kennedy junior to make America healthy again.
Speaker 0: Tonight, I'm very pleased to welcome Robert f Kennedy junior. Don't you want healthy children? And don't you want a president that's gonna make America healthy again?
Speaker 1: The MahaMAGA unity movement is very, very strong in The United States right now. Arguably, it is the largest movement in the world.
Speaker 0: Maha should be entirely bipartisan. This is people wanting to make America healthy again. The most powerful new force in American politics is these moms of the make America healthy again. This is
Speaker 3: a transcendent powerful movement, and it crosses party lines.
Speaker 1: I'm a mother to a child with special needs, and I will dedicate the rest of my life to fighting on behalf of children and their right to be healthy and their right to thrive.
Speaker 0: If you are a well person, you have the American dream at your feet.
Speaker 4: But if you're sick, you only have one dream,
Speaker 0: and that's to get better. And I can promise you that we are gonna make America healthy again.
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The MAHA-MAGA unity movement is a powerful coalition of millions across political lines, supporting healthy food, medicine, and a sustainable planet. We rallied behind RFK Jr. for HHS, driven by parents and community leaders who want a healthier future for our children. Today, I stand with Kennedy as he faces opposition from those aligned with Big Ag and Big Pharma. We demand a YES vote on his nomination. If you oppose us, you're obstructing progress. Our collective resources are vast, and we will hold you accountable. The people's will shall prevail.
@NicoleShanahan - Nicole Shanahan
The MAHA-MAGA unity movement is the most powerful movement anywhere in the world. It catapulted President Trump back into the White House last November, and it’s fully behind RFK Jr.’s confirmation to head HHS. It is not tethered to one party—it is a coalition of Republicans and Democrats, Libertarians and Greens, Independents. This is a movement of millions of Americans who want healthy food, healthy medicine, and a healthy planet. Moms who want to watch their children grow up healthy. Parents who don’t want to be the ones burying their kids. Community leaders who want to fix the chronic disease crisis that has made us the sickest nation on earth. Today, @RobertKennedyJr stood in the gap and took the slings and arrows for us, and we, in turn, stand with him. To those senators in the pockets of Big Ag, Big Pharma, and Big Business—we will not accept anything but a YES vote on this nomination. I’ll say it again: If you’re not with us, you’re standing in our way. And our resources are unlimited—it’s not just me. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will join me to hold these people accountable if they do the opposite of what is good for our country. You have my word on that. The will of the people will be done.
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Bobby may be willing to play nice, but I won't. If senators oppose RFK Jr., I will fund challengers to primary them. RFK did a great job at the hearing, and the Maha MAGA unity movement is strong, supporting his confirmation. We're closely monitoring every senator's actions, and hundreds of thousands are mobilized for change. We're at a breaking point in America, and senators must choose between serving the people or big corporations. I support RFK because, like many Americans, I want healthy food and medicine for our children. The tragedy of parents burying their children must end. In 2020, I funded Democratic candidates, but now I’ll use my resources to challenge those who oppose RFK Jr. Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 0: Our next guest has a pretty simple message to senators from both parties if they oppose RFK Jr.
Speaker 1: Bobby may be willing to play nice. I won't. If you vote against him, I will personally fund challengers to primary you in your next election, and I will enlist hundreds of thousands to join me.
Speaker 0: You recall Nicole Shanahan was RFK Junior's running mate in his run for the presidency when he ran as an independent. She was his vice presidential running mate, and she joins me now. Nicole, great to see you, today. What did you think of the hearing? What did you think of the performance by both the senators and RFK?
Speaker 1: RFK did a great job. And, I I just want everybody to know that the Maha MAGA unity movement is very very strong in The United States right now. Arguably it is the largest movement in the world and it is what catapulted President Trump back into the White House and it is fully behind RFK Jr's confirmation. And so watching the senators at work today, I just have to say thank you to Senator Ron Johnson. He I got many text messages from moms across America who were in tears to hear his earnest support of RFK Jr's confirmation.
And I do also want to make it clear that yes, we are watching every one of these votes, every senator's actions, every word that came out of their mouths, and there are hundreds of thousands that are mobilized, to take action, during primary season.
Speaker 0: Well, the the opinion that you shared is backed up by the stats that the unification between Maha and MAGA is backed up by this Fox poll. 48% of voters, would vote for RFK Jr. For his HHS secretary. That's the highest, by the way, of any of the Trump nominees to cabinet positions. So it's clear as you point out
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: That RFK supporters helped win Donald Trump the presidency. But I'm not sure that's going to be heard or listened to by every Republican senator. You in your video, you named names and you said you would be dropping money to primary those senators.
Speaker 1: That's correct. I I listed 13, but really we're watching all of these seats. We're at a point now. We're at a breaking point in America. You're either still working on behalf of big ag, ag, big pharma and big business or you are working on behalf of the people and there is a contract that each of these senators has with the people not with these corporations but with the people and we are watching who is going against that contract, who is breaching it.
The people will not stand for this any longer, and we want change. We want a leader. Bobby is that leader. He went out there. He took those slings and arrows for all of us today and we're very grateful and we stand behind him.
Speaker 0: Nicole, I wanna put up his resume all the things that RFK Jr. Has done throughout his career. He's 71 years old. He's founded Waterkeeper Alliance. He founded Children's Health Defense fund which came up today in the hearing at 1 he's named time magazine's hero for the planet you Elected to join him in his race for the presidency and here you are with me right now talking about this moment where he could take over his HHS.
Why Why are you so passionate about RFK?
Speaker 1: Well, I, like millions of Americans, want healthy food, healthy medicine, and a healthy planet. I wanna watch my child grow up healthy. I don't want what, you know, these numbers of parents that are burying their own children is far too high. That number increases year after year. There's no greater tragedy, than watching your child suffer, than having to bury your own child.
I've heard from hundreds of thousands of these parents across America. It has to stop.
Speaker 0: No. You've turned it out in your video. I can hear your passion. I can hear it in your voice. I really can, Nicole.
I think you've also backed it up with your pocketbook as you pointed out in your video. In 2020, you and I might have been on opposite sides of several, outcomes in politics. You helped fund John Ossoff and Raphael Warnock get those 2 seats in Georgia. Now today in that video you're saying you'll do the opposite if they vote against RFK Junior. You'll dedicate that same passion money to primary all those senators Nicole It's a real pleasure to have you and to hear that real genuine passion from you today.
Speaker 1: Thank you
@NicoleShanahan - Nicole Shanahan
Here’s my full speech at Tucker Carlson’s event with Donald Trump in Glendale, AZ 🇺🇸 https://t.co/lRBqUepnfg
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Hello, Arizona. I come to you as a former Democrat with an apology for the division and name-calling that has plagued our country. No one here is deplorable; we must unite. My journey over the past eight months has revealed that our issues run deeper than politics; they are spiritual. We must rise above hatred and corporate interests. I've witnessed the struggles of individuals in the entertainment world and know there are good people everywhere. It's time for mothers and all of us to speak out against the injustices we see. I stand here, despite the personal costs, to encourage you to be brave and vote. Millions have fought for our right to vote, and it matters. I will be voting for Donald Trump for the first time, and I apologize for the actions of those on the left. Together, we will unite under love and understanding. Go out and vote for Donald J. Trump.
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Speaker 0: Hello, Phoenix. Hello, dear wonderful, wonderful people of this great state of Arizona. I come to you today as a former Democrat from California, and I come to you today with an apology. I am sorry what this party has done to the good people of this country. I come to you with an apology for the despicable behavior of name calling.
Nobody in this room or in this country is deplorable. Nobody is garbage in this room. And it is wrong for a president of the United States to divide this country as he has. And we are the brave people in this room that will unite it again. I love you, and I love this country.
When I was asked by pot Bobby Kennedy to run with him as his vice president, I told a friend and he said to me, Nicole he was a former Democrat. He said to me, Nicole, I think the government needs something that politics can't give it right now. He said, I think it actually needs an exorcism. And I laughed. I I laughed because I thought it was a joke.
He was dead serious. Dead serious. And I've learned over the last 8 months that what is going on here is deeper than politics. Yeah. It is deeply spiritual.
Yeah. And we are being called to rise above the hatred and the fear and the evil. We are being called to not be puppets of corporate interests. We are being called to be individual sovereigns here in the goodness and the grace of god. You know, I've seen the belly of the beast.
I've met all those celebrities we see doing those endorsements. I've been at some of these parties where people fall on the ground because of a drug overdose, and nobody cares about them. I've knelt on the ground next to these individuals and picked them up and looked in their eyes and wondered what the hell they were doing with their lives. There are good people in this country, and they're everywhere. And they're more populous than this tiny segment of the population that has been responsible for so much of our pain.
And it stops now. Yes. It stops when we start asking questions out loud because we are fearless, and when mothers realize we can't just keep whispering to each other anymore. We mothers cannot stay in our homes calling one another with our desperate concerns, because it's gotten too desperate. We have to come out on this stage now.
And I will share with you that coming out on this stage has cost me dearly. They have ripped my reputation apart. They have threatened things that I didn't know people could take away from someone in this country. They will even threaten taking your children away for rising up against big pharma. Boo.
No more. Your instinct and your intuition about what is going on in this country is absolutely spot on. You are some of the brightest people, and you caught on to this, and you were brave enough more so than I was and many of the people I know who are still remaining silent today. You guys come up, come out, and you show up, because you're freaking brave. This country will heal, and it is healing now.
We're all afraid of the degree of cheating that is happening right in front of our eyes. The parading of Jill Biden in a panda suit yesterday, right in front of our eyes. What the hell is this mockery? No more. No more.
No more. No more. No more. No more. I have my California state ballot here.
This is my actual ballot. Millions of Americans have shed blood for this piece of paper, and it cannot be taken in vain. My name happens to be on this one. When Bobby called me, and he said, the big guy wants to talk. I was like, god?
And he said, no. Donald Trump. And he shared with me that on the day of president Trump's near assassination, he received a call from him and in earnest, talked man to man, individual sovereign to individual sovereign, and they connected about their mutual love of this country. Because the real men in this country know how to put their egos aside. We have and they know that we have to make America healthy again.
So despite the novelty of seeing my name on here next to a bubble, I will be a first time Trump voter tonight. I really mean it when I say that I am apologizing for all of the people on the left who don't understand their bad behavior. I am so sorry. We will unite this country under an umbrella of love and mutual understanding of dignity and grace. Yes.
Yes. I'm gonna just close. I don't have anything better to say, but go out there and vote for this wonderful man, Donald J. Trump.
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My team never sleeps 😂 https://t.co/THH4MiMMMI
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Are you or your loved ones suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS)? Do you dismiss issues like inflation, immigration, corruption, war, and disease? Do you support a candidate offering no vision simply because it's "anyone but Trump?" If so, you might have TDS.
Introducing Independence, which allows for constructive critical thinking instead of believing mainstream media. One user says they used to believe claims that Trump threatened democracy, but now realize the media is run by a corrupt Democrat oligarchy that censors speech, silences opponents, supports wars, and abandons democracy.
Independence may not be for everyone. If you enjoy being lied to, support totalitarianism, or like communist fiscal policy, it may not be right for you. Side effects may include rational thought, identifying propaganda, freedom of choice, loss of hatred, anti-narcissistic behavior, and love of democracy. Another user says they used to blindly hate whoever their party opposed, but with Independence, they care about policies that uphold democracy and the health of the country. Ask your doctor if Independence is right for you.
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Speaker 0: Are you or your loved ones suffering from illnesses such as TDS, also known as Trump Derangement Syndrome? Do you dismiss or deny the current issues facing our country, such as historic inflation, illegal immigration, corporate corruption, World War 3 escalations, and the chronic disease epidemic. Are you willing to elect someone who was the least popular vice president in modern history and who offers no policy or vision for America simply because your brain keeps telling you anyone but Trump? If so, you might be struggling from TDS. Introducing independence.
Independence allows you the freedom to finally think independently once again. Instead of believing everything you hear from the mainstream media, independence allows for constructive critical thinking.
Speaker 1: I used to hear people on the news say things like
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and the movement he has encouraged are a threat to democracy.
Speaker 1: And I instantly believed it. With independence, I now realize the media is run by the Democrat elite who are a corrupt oligarchy that censors free speech, silences political opponents, supports forever wars, and abandons democracy by anointing its candidates.
Speaker 0: Independence may not be for everyone. If you enjoy being lied to about your president's cognitive abilities, support Orwellian totalitarianism, or are excited about communist fiscal policy, independence may not be right for you. Common side effects of independence may include an awakening of rational thought, successfully identifying propaganda, freedom of choice, loss of hatred, anti narcissistic behavior, and love of democracy.
Speaker 2: I used to blindly hate whoever my party was running against. I didn't care about facts or policy because I was hopelessly indoctrinated. With independence, I'm much more interested in policies that uphold democracy, and I truly care about the health of our country and its citizens.
Speaker 0: Ask your doctor if independence is right for you, and enjoy your freedoms once again.
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I recognize the presence of Never Trumpers, even in my family, and I used to be one. However, when Bobby emphasizes that our love for our children should surpass our hatred, and Trump warmly welcomes MAHA, I can't help but reflect on how God works in mysterious ways.
@NicoleShanahan - Nicole Shanahan
I know there are a lot of Never Trumpers out there. I have them in my family, and I was once one too. BUT, when Bobby says, “Our love for our children must be greater than the hate we have for each other,” and then President Trump extends a jubilant welcome to MAHA, I can't look away. When your former enemy becomes your partner in a time of need, that’s when you can look back on your life and say, “Wow, God does work in the most mysterious ways.”
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The speaker discusses a potential role for Bobby within a Trump administration, envisioning a coalition government where Bobby would represent their movement's voices within the cabinet. The speaker expresses full faith that Trump would honor this arrangement. The speaker's own role is to remain independent, listening to Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, and to be a voice for the voiceless. Their aim is to provide an objective source of information and ensure vigilance during this critical election.
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Speaker 0: Have you guys discussed an actual job or a position for Bobby? And what about you? You know, Bobby and and Trump have their own relationship. I fully endorse it. I would love to see this as a true coalition government.
You know, we this is not something we talk about here in the United States, but in other democracies, coalitions are very, very common. So in a coalition government, Bobby would be in charge to represent our movement, our party, our voices within this cabinet. And and I have full faith that, you know, Trump is gonna honor that. As for me, my job right now is to remain as independent as I did on day 1 when I left the Democratic party. I'm here to listen to Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and the like.
I'm here to be a voice for the voiceless. I'm here to make sure and be vigilant that we don't walk away or turn our eyes on anything right now because this election is critical. And I want people to have a source to go to, an objective source that's been in it, that will not shy away from telling the truth.
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The Wall Street Journal recently criticized @GubbaHomestead and others who promote natural alternatives to sunscreen, dismissing their views as dangerous. Despite presenting scientific research, the Journal favored "expert opinions." It's important to consider all perspectives and make informed choices, rather than silencing opposing viewpoints.
@NicoleShanahan - Nicole Shanahan
Last month, the Wall Street Journal made the remarkable editorial decision to track down everyday Americans like @GubbaHomestead, who advocate for natural alternatives to sunscreen such as tallow-based creams, to tell them why they’re wrong and their views are dangerous. Despite presenting scientific research of her own on the harmful chemicals in commercial sunscreen products, Gubba’s findings were dismissed in favor of what the Journal deemed to be “expert opinions.” Balance and informed choices are key—silencing opposing viewpoints is counterproductive.
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The Wall Street Journal questioned why sunscreen is not used. The speaker promotes a tallow-based sun balm as a healthier alternative to chemical sunscreens. They were fact-checked by the Journal, revealing conflicts of interest with scientists funded by Johnson & Johnson. The speaker suspects financial motives behind sunscreen recommendations.
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Speaker 0: Why in the world would The Wall Street Journal reach out to you and ask you why you don't wear sunscreen?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I think that is because this this curtain, this narrative is being pulled and people are starting to see, wait, I've been told to put on this chemical junk that is filled with these mystery ingredients that, you know, lead to potential pregnancy risks are leading to DNA damage. I've been told to put that on, and then people will start seeking other alternatives. I make a tallow based sun balm that is a mineral sun balm that is the healthiest alternative to these chemicals. And so when people start seeking that, that puts a hole in the pocket of big pharma.
And what's so interesting is I got flagged for or I got fact checked for my response to the Wall Street Journal. I pre I had my scientific findings right in front of me. I had all my papers. I was reading them. I was sharing them, and they fact checked me.
And so I was like, wow, that's really interesting. I'm presenting scientific research. And they fact checked it. So I went and checked out their fact check and what research they had. Well, it come to find out in some of the research they were using to back up their fact check, those scientists were in cahoots with Johnson and Johnson.
So you can figure out where scientists have gotten funding, who they've previously been representatives for, and I I did that on one of these articles. The scientist was had been a representative for Johnson and Johnson and other pharmaceutical companies. So I found that really peculiar. Okay. It kinda just all goes back to the money.
Again, I'm no expert, but that's how I am taking these things.
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The focus should be on the individuals who suffered from myocarditis after receiving the Covid vaccine, not on those who did not experience any adverse effects. Numerous studies have established a connection between mRNA vaccines and myocarditis, with over 100 peer-reviewed manuscripts supporting this link. It is important to treat vaccine safety concerns with the same seriousness as other product recalls. @washingtonpost and @thedailybeast, this should be your priority.
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When a baby crib is recalled because there are a handful of injuries, we don't say "but what about all the babies who were fine!" When a Covid vaccine is connected to myocarditis in hundreds of studies worldwide, our focus should not be on those who did fine, it should be on the children and adults who suffered. Studies have been showing a link between myocarditis, pericarditis and mRNA vaccines for years. Over 100 peer-reviewed manuscripts. Recalling products for safety concerns is supposed to be normal - why is this such a radical idea? @washingtonpost and @thedailybeast this is your story.
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One of us took the Moderna vaccine, while the other didn't. The reality is that some people believe it's unsafe and should be recalled. For those who took it, two accounts (@MdBreathe and @P_McCulloughMD) offer helpful insights and resources. Jacob, your shirts are ridiculous, but I love you.
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One of us took 3 doses of the Moderna mRNA vaccine, and the other did not. Guess who? Here is the devastating reality: it is not a safe vaccine, and must be recalled immediately. Many people are suffering who took it. For those who took it like I did, here are two accounts that provide some helpful insights and resources: 1.@MdBreathe 2.@P_McCulloughMD Jacob, I love you and your ridiculous shirts.
