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Saved - June 18, 2023 at 4:37 PM
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The conversation discusses the effectiveness of police reform efforts. @PeterMoskos argues that many reforms fail because they focus on fixing rather than improving the police, lack practitioner involvement, and are costly. He also questions the value of teaching cops new vocabulary and challenges the notion that violent criminals are similar to their neighbors. @JoeGiacalone requests a thread summary.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

Because if there's one thing DOJ reports tend to lead to, it's lawyers and academics and "experts" getting paid to have conferences and fix police departments, and they almost never leave a department better than they found it.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

There are no hard and fast rules, but let's have some fun and make some "reform" rules of thumb: 1) If your idea starts with how to "fix" police rather than improve police, you're probably going to fail. Because police aren't broken.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

2) If your reform doesn't even address the basic function of policing in terms of preventing crime and disorder, you're doing it wrong.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

3) If you have no measure of success outside of administering the treatment, your fix is probably a grift.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

4) If no practitioners are involved in your fix, it's probably bullshit. And ever if it's not, it's probably going to fail without practitioner input.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

5) If your reform can't be implemented by local people already on the payroll, it's probably a grift. Even if not, it's too expensive and not sustainable.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

6) If teaching cops new vocabulary is an essential part of reform, it's probably bullshit. There is no improvement that can't be done with the language we already use.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

7) If your reform ideas are premised on the idea that violent criminals are just like theur neighbors, except for they never got a break, you need to talk to more working-class residents in high crime neighborhoods.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

8) Same, if you casually equate the well being of shooters and muggers with the best interests of "the community."

@JoeGiacalone - Joseph L. Giacalone

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Police reform experts sold their special sauce of implicit racial bias training to police departments as a solution to police brutality. However, this approach failed to improve policing and prevent crime. Minneapolis was a poster child for this ideology, but it didn't work. The DOJ report on Minneapolis police department shows that everything is wrong, and the glorious reforms from 2014-2019 failed. The solution is simple: focus on legal crime prevention, accountability, and defend those who do not do wrong. Reform rules of thumb: improve police, not fix them; address the basic function of policing; involve practitioners; be sustainable and cost-effective.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

Let's take this DOJ report at face value. (Something I'm not inclined to do if this is another DOJ template-filling boilerplate "investigation" to legally trigger a consent decree, but for the sake of discussion...) https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-minneapolis-police-doj-investigation-george-floyd-20230616-ohrx4lwhvncd3gdejec4eriyqq-story.html

DOJ George Floyd probe: Minneapolis PD had pattern of discrimination The federal probe initiated following George Floyd's murder identified a pattern of racial profiling, excessive force in both the Minneapolis Police Department and the city itself. nydailynews.com

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

Post Ferguson, a cottage industry of police reform "experts" got in the game. They were happy to sell their special sauce of "implicit racial bias" training to police departments. This was supposed to be solution to police. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-bias-training-de-escalation-training-policing-in-america/

We asked 155 police departments about their racial bias training. Here's what they told us. CBS News contacted more than 150 police departments in big cities across the country as part of a year-long look into policing in America cbsnews.com

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

So many of us knew it was mostly bullshit, or at least not a real way to improve policing. But what can we do? How can you be against racial bias training? Are you for racial bias? From 2015 Minneapolis. https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/12/10/mpls-police-bias-training

Minneapolis budgets $300,000 for police bias training The city is joining the federal government in putting up the money, but not everyone believes that such programs work. mprnews.org

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

Reports were issues. "Toolkits" were available. Some were better than others, and couched in terms like reconciliation, legitimacy, equity, and justice, it was all rooted in a police-are-the-problem ideology. Minneapolis was a poster child for much of this.https://www.policingproject.org/news-main/2019/3/29/new-era-of-public-safety-campaign

“New Era of Public Safety” kicks off with guidebook to fair and effective policing — The Policing Project The Policing Project is proud to be a contributing author on the recently released “New Era of Public Safety” report from The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. policingproject.org

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

"Mistrust" "strained police-community relations" "reconciliation framework" "multidimensional approach" "new tools" and "a suite of interventions." Really? What about actual policing and crime prevention? As if the key to less violence is getting non-violent people to like cops.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

I don't mean to come out against ALL of this. I'm not against change. Minneapolis got all the "treatment." But at some point we need to accept an uncomfortable reality. basic fact: It didn't work. https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/100705/learning_to_build_police-community_trust_3.pdf

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

By what standards did "reform" make things better in Minneapolis. Maybe officers do now have less "implicit bias" and know the words and maybe even the concept "procedural justice." But so what? There were 33 murders in 2018, 48 in 2019, and 81 in 2022.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

Minneapolis's progressive Chief Medaria Arradondo set up the four dozen(!) police department "community navigators" in 2018. "We can't arrest these problems away," he said. Well, maybe he should tried? Because the navigators failed after George Floyd's murder in 2020.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

So now in 2023 we get the DOJ saying everything is wrong in the department. Well what about all the glorious reforms from 2014-2019? Not a word. It's like it never happened. Couldn't there be a little self-reflection from the reformers? Fool me once... https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23850169-minneapolis-findings-report-20230615

Minneapolis Findings Report 2023.06.15 documentcloud.org

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

So what is the solution? Simple: do your job. Police. You need a strong leader with political support. Then it about standards, strategy, communication, and accountability. Probably in that order. Be open about what the department is doing. Then defend it. Keep data transparent.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

There is no one size fits all policing strategy. It depends on the city. And the neighborhood. But police need to focus on legal crime prevention (and going after repeat violent offenders). Accountability for all. Punish cops who do wrong. Defend those who do not.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

I really hope that the same cadre of experts who led Minneapolis's reform up this point don't get a chance at fixing another department (or Minneapolis again!) until they can explain what went wrong and why. Why what they did failed. Or explain why the DOJ report is wrong.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

Because if there's one thing DOJ reports tend to lead to, it's lawyers and academics and "experts" getting paid to have conferences and fix police departments, and they almost never leave a department better than they found it.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

There are no hard and fast rules, but let's have some fun and make some "reform" rules of thumb: 1) If your idea starts with how to "fix" police rather than improve police, you're probably going to fail. Because police aren't broken.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

2) If your reform doesn't even address the basic function of policing in terms of preventing crime and disorder, you're doing it wrong.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

3) If you have no measure of success outside of administering the treatment, your fix is probably a grift.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

4) If no practitioners are involved in your fix, it's probably bullshit. And ever if it's not, it's probably going to fail without practitioner input.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

5) If your reform can't be implemented by local people already on the payroll, it's probably a grift. Even if not, it's too expensive and not sustainable.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

6) If teaching cops new vocabulary is an essential part of reform, it's probably bullshit. There is no improvement that can't be done with the language we already use.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

7) If your reform ideas are premised on the idea that violent criminals are just like theur neighbors, except for they never got a break, you need to talk to more working-class residents in high crime neighborhoods.

@PeterMoskos - Peter Moskos

8) Same, if you casually equate the well being of shooters and muggers with the best interests of "the community."

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