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If you aren't familiar with the case of Joshua Rohrer and Sunshine, here's the bodycam footage of what @GPDNC officers Maurice Taylor III and Cierra Brooks did to them, and why Taylor and Brooks' demand for qualified immunity was just denied. https://t.co/7dGVMfYiU0
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On 10/13/2021, Gastonia officers Maurice Taylor III and Sierra Brooks arrested Joshua Rohr, a homeless veteran, and tased his service dog, Sunshine. An individual requested to see the footage, but was denied.
An officer told Rohr he couldn't stand in the intersection or panhandle. Rohr asked for the statute, but the officer threatened jail. The officer said they received direction not to have people in medians. A 911 call reported individuals using dogs to solicit money at an intersection.
An officer asked Rohr for his ID to issue a citation for panhandling, but Rohr refused. Officers attempted to arrest Rohr, and his dog bit an officer's boot. An officer tased the dog. Rohr was charged with soliciting on a highway/street, city ordinance solicitation, and resisting arrest. A veteran service officer sought to assist Rohr with PTSD treatment. An officer stated the dog became aggressive once they put hands on the owner.
A sergeant stated they were reviewing body camera footage and taking concerns into consideration. It was stated that officers Taylor and Brooks need to be prosecuted and the SBI needs to investigate.
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Speaker 0: On 10/13/2021, Gastonia police officer Maurice Taylor the third, son of internal affairs chief Maurice Taylor junior, and officer Sierra Brooks arrested Joshua Rohr, a homeless veteran, and tased his PTSD service dog, Sunshine.
Speaker 1: When they are is there any way there there'll be, like, you know, the footage out so the public could see as well so, you know, it looks do we know what's going on too?
Speaker 2: No, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Well, you're not directly involved in the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think some more issues will be coming up out of this after I get a hold of a lot more, you know, bigger people than you.
Speaker 0: Gastonia police and the district attorney fought hard to keep you from seeing this footage. You're about to see why.
Speaker 3: I told you to move from over here. Hey, boy.
Speaker 4: You told me what? I told you I had
Speaker 3: to move, man. I didn't move. No. You can't you can't panhandle over here, man. I'm not panhandle.
But when I saw you, you were. And you're still No. I'm not panhandle. You're still here in the middle. Okay.
So don't have a
Speaker 4: sign or
Speaker 3: anything. Well, you did when I saw you initially. You did?
Speaker 4: No. You didn't. I haven't had
Speaker 3: I've never had a sign.
Speaker 4: I haven't had
Speaker 3: a sign for money. Asking people for money, brother.
Speaker 4: I'm not asking anybody for money.
Speaker 3: You were. No. I'm not. You cannot find anybody. Okay.
Listen.
Speaker 4: The fact still remains, you cannot stand here in
Speaker 3: the middle of the inter in the middle of this intersection right here. Okay?
Speaker 4: Where's the law that says that I can't
Speaker 3: stand here? Oh, there there are many laws. No. No. Well, alright.
Now you're now I can I
Speaker 4: can literally I
Speaker 3: can literally Listen? I didn't ask her for it. You cannot stand in the middle of this area. Okay? You need to go.
Speaker 4: Was the statute
Speaker 3: that says that I cannot stand here? I'll show you. I'll show you. But as of right now, if you don't move right now, I'm a take you to jail. Okay?
What? I'm a I'm a tell you. I'm a homeless person. I'm homeless. You cannot stay.
You cannot stay in the middle of this intersection.
Speaker 4: But there's no law that says I can't stand here.
Speaker 3: There are asking
Speaker 4: for money.
Speaker 3: This is this is not a sidewalk, sir. This is not a sidewalk. This is a this is a this is a median for being vehicular traffic. You are you are out You
Speaker 4: can't drive on that.
Speaker 3: You are out in the road. I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 4: Okay. Well, if you can show me something
Speaker 3: that says I cannot stand right there. I'm letting you run right now. This is not a sidewalk. This is the road. You are this is the road.
You cannot be out in the Road. You need to be out on a sidewalk. You cannot stand here. You cannot set up camp here. You have been here since I since the last time I told you to move off of here.
I if you want me to show you a statue, cool. But I'm gonna show you a statue taking you to jail.
Speaker 2: You can't take me to
Speaker 4: jail just for standing here, man. Like So so are you I wanna so so are I
Speaker 3: see a statue. I don't wanna have to show you a statue. You can look that up on your own. You can go to the police department if you feel like your rights are being violated, but you are on the road.
Speaker 4: Okay. Are you a veteran?
Speaker 3: Oh, yes. I'm a veteran. I know. You are.
Speaker 4: You're a veteran?
Speaker 3: I know. Yes.
Speaker 4: You should be ashamed
Speaker 3: of yourself, man. Get off of the sidewalk. I'm also need you all day.
Speaker 4: So, man.
Speaker 3: Collect your things, and I'm also need you all day.
Speaker 5: Next
Speaker 3: time I see you out here, brother I'm going either right you. Gonna either write you. I'm either right you a ticket. No. I'm either right you a ticket or you're gonna go to jail.
I'm just letting you know what's gonna happen. Because you're here panhandling. That's what you're doing, brother. It bothers me, man. Well, you need to move off to the side, brother.
Alright. There is cool. If you come over here, what I'm telling you is that whether you call a panhandle or not, that's what I call it. When I saw you up here, you were waving at people. You were rolling down That's not Okay.
I'm not. Let me talk. There are people rolling by. You're taking money from them as they you are taking money for them from them as they are rolling down their windows. It appears that you are panhandling.
Of the sidewalk is where you can be at. If you're just gonna wave the people there and not Panhandle, that's fine.
Speaker 4: But when
Speaker 3: you're I'm not asking for people. Okay. That's fine.
Speaker 4: You you saw for yourself. I was standing there talking to you, and a lady came up and gave me dog food for her and handed me $10.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Now did you see me ask for it?
Speaker 3: No. You didn't.
Speaker 4: Exactly. I did ask
Speaker 3: for it. But like I listen. I can still write you. If you want me to write you, I can. I'm telling you, I told you to move over here from over over here initially.
This is a public road. You cannot be in the middle of the public road standing on a median. Okay? I don't have to show you a statute. You can look that up yourself.
I'm telling you that is the law. Right now, look it up. You can look that up on North Carolina general statutes. If I if you are if you are in the road, that is the road. You cannot be out on the middle of the road.
You cannot set up camp in the middle of the road. You cannot do that. Okay? I don't
Speaker 4: could be in the grass
Speaker 3: and I could be on the sidewalk. Yep. Alright. However, I don't care if no other officer pulls you over for it. I don't care if another officer doesn't detain you for it.
I'm not other officers. I have discretion. I can tell you right there that is violating North Carolina general statute. If you wanna know the statute, I don't have to show it to you. When I arrest somebody for domestic violence You're you're a public servant.
Speaker 4: You work for me. So you're supposed to when I ask you something, you're supposed to take care of it and be like, oh, here's the statute.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to educate me. Okay. There is no there is no law that says that. There is nothing that says I have to literally show you the statute. I'm telling you it is against North Carolina general statutes.
If I see you out here again, okay, then we're we're we're gonna handle that in a more legal way. Okay?
Speaker 4: Well, you're gonna see me, bro.
Speaker 3: I'm I will be here. If I if I see you out
Speaker 2: You can't take
Speaker 4: me to jail just for seeing me, bro.
Speaker 3: I can no. I'm saying if you are out in the middle of the roadway again, you cannot be out in the middle of the roadway. Is do do you get it?
Speaker 4: Yeah. I understand, man.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it, sir. You have a better day. If you are a disabled veteran, brother
Speaker 4: I am. Would I lie about that?
Speaker 3: I I don't believe you're a lie. Okay. But what I'm saying is that they're
Speaker 6: Well, I'll stand by the patient hospital.
Speaker 3: If you're a disabled veteran, there there are things you can do.
Speaker 4: I know that and I do that. I take full advantage of the VA, man. But there's only so much that the VA does for you.
Speaker 3: How about how about housing? They don't have you at housing at Veterans Day?
Speaker 4: You With housing, they I just got in touch with the the people that do that. They put me in a hotel for, like, three days. And then once they realized that I received disability, they put me out because I don't qualify since I actually have a rating.
Speaker 3: Is your rating high enough to I'm guessing it's not high
Speaker 4: enough to just pull you enough to support myself. I I'm doing all that, man. Like, trust me. I'm going through
Speaker 3: Listen, man. We received direction that that we are not supposed to have people I don't care if you're on a sidewalk. I really don't. Yeah. We received direction that we are not supposed to have people, like, in in medians, like, at the intersections of those of of the highway.
The ramps. Okay. I'm doing what I'm what I'm told to do. If officer asks you to move and I get it that no officer does
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They but going back officers come up and smile and give me money too. I do. I mean, we're not even supposed to do that, but, I mean, that's against policy. However, day shift I know, for example, day shift is very busy. Day shift comes in just up until I get here.
Speaker 4: They bring they bring me dog food too. There's several times that bring
Speaker 3: me dog
Speaker 4: food and water.
Speaker 3: Dog food and water, that's fine because it's not money. Okay? The statute says money. So let's let money. Okay?
But I mean, if it's not that, then that's fine. So you have a rating. And I'll like I said, it's none of my business, but if you're over a certain percentage, there are things that you can do such as vocational rehab. It's like it's like I'm declared unemployable. So you're a 100%, I'm guessing.
Speaker 4: Close to it. Okay. Like, being unemployable, like, the VA gave me a pension because I'm unemployable due to my PTSD. My PTSD is so severe that I can't function without a service call. Okay.
So, you know, I can't go and work even if I wanted to. You know what I'm saying? Like, I have acute psychosis, and it cost me to have flashbacks and things. That's what she's for. And the you know, that's What what
Speaker 3: years were you on? What what years were you on?
Speaker 4: O well, I joined o two
Speaker 3: Mhmm.
Speaker 4: Right after 09:11. 06/22/2002, and I shipped overseas by o two.
Speaker 2: This is for you.
Speaker 4: Thank you. And this is for your job.
Speaker 2: There's a gift receipt I'm hearing. They have
Speaker 7: a gift
Speaker 4: much so. I appreciate that. That's it, man. I'm I'm doing what I gotta do, and it's out of necessity,
Speaker 2: man. No.
Speaker 3: No. I I really do wish you the best of luck. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Wish you the best of luck.
Speaker 3: I apologize that, yeah, that your country has underserved you. I I honestly don't know your entire situation, so I can't really speak on it. Right. I know my situation. I mean, I I know what I'll do for the VA.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean
Speaker 4: And I appreciate all your service, man. I'm sorry for the things that you've been through as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's fine, man. It's it is what it is. Well, I wish you the best of luck, man. Good luck.
Speaker 4: Have a good night. You too.
Speaker 8: Gaffin County Communications six six nine.
Speaker 5: Okay. So is it is it legal for these adults to be standing on the intersection with a dog asking for money?
Speaker 8: I mean, we can send off throughout to check the check them out, but because they're, like, panhandling?
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean
Speaker 5: And they're using the dolls to get money is what they're doing.
Speaker 8: I don't know if there's anything illegal about that. I'm not an officer, but I can definitely send an officer out there. What where are they at?
Speaker 5: Well, there's one of them standing in the intersection of Fox Road and
Speaker 8: Like near Chuck E. Cheese in the in that area?
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he's standing across from Chuck E.
Speaker 3: Cheese. Right.
Speaker 5: The red light. Okay. And across from yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Is he white, black, or Hispanic? He
Speaker 5: looks white, and he's got a gray shirt on, a gray lonely shirt on, and he's got that poor dog. There's there's got to be something somebody can do about this. This is full crowd that they're using this poor animal. And then there's a lady in a green short sleeve shirt just a little bit, like, just feet away from him, but she's not standing at the red light. She's standing right when you pass AT and T.
A a woman with a green short sleeve shirt on, and she's got a dog too standing there. Okay. So are you are you do you
Speaker 8: think the dogs are in danger? Like, are they going to the street? Or like, how are they using the dog to get money?
Speaker 5: Okay. Well, that's putting two and two together. They're using this dog to to make the people feel sorry for them to give them money. They they have this dog laying in the middle of the he's on the media. He owns that dog.
That four little dog is laying on the media right there at the red light. Yes. He could get ran over. Okay. Alright.
We'll get officers out there to check it out. Do you wanna speak to an officer? If he wants to call me, he's more than welcome. Alright. We'll give it out to officers to check the service.
Okay? Thank you.
Speaker 8: Thank you. Bye.
Speaker 2: Heidi, I just saw you take money from that car.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You saw me take money, but
Speaker 9: you didn't see me
Speaker 4: ask to.
Speaker 2: Alright. Let me get your ID.
Speaker 4: Okay? You can't ask for my
Speaker 2: ID because not
Speaker 3: giving you money.
Speaker 2: Okay. Get your dog. Okay? Yes. I can.
It's called panhandling.
Speaker 4: But it's not panhandling if I didn't ask for it, is it?
Speaker 2: ID. You can give me your ID or you can go to jail for RDL. Which one do wanna do?
Speaker 4: What's the ID for that?
Speaker 2: Because I'm about to write you a citation.
Speaker 4: For what? For panhandling. That's not panhandling.
Speaker 2: Yes. It is.
Speaker 4: No. It's not. If you come up to me and give me money
Speaker 2: You walked out to the car.
Speaker 4: Because they stopped. Did you see
Speaker 3: them stop?
Speaker 2: Give me your ID. The whole situation. Give me your ID or you're going to jail for RDO, is resist the layup struck. Okay? You're
Speaker 4: gonna write a disabled veteran that's living in the woods
Speaker 2: a ticket. Yes. Because I asked you not to do it and you do it. You sit there Here,
Speaker 4: I'm packing my stuff up.
Speaker 2: I sit there and watch.
Speaker 4: You watch me walk up the sidewalk. To Baker Park City. I'm out with that that subject. Like, you literally watch me walk up the sidewalk.
Speaker 2: You watch the first stop. Give me your ID. You're gonna write me a ticket?
Speaker 4: Yes. Oxford Gas and All
Speaker 2: Drive. Yes. I
Speaker 4: didn't commit a crime.
Speaker 2: I'm recording You you violate a city ordinance.
Speaker 4: No. Didn't. There's no city ordinance that says somebody can't give me money
Speaker 3: because I
Speaker 2: did not have obstructed traffic.
Speaker 4: No. I didn't. They did. They did. They instructed traffic to the one in the car.
Give me your ID, sir. I'm not giving you my ID because I didn't verify the channel or anything.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.
Speaker 4: No channel, but I probably need
Speaker 2: a sergeant out here. He's refusing to give me his ID.
Speaker 0: What?
Speaker 6: Alright. 42. Yeah. I'm clear. I'll be en route to her.
Speaker 2: Now now you see we got a sergeant in multiple units on their way out. And I can almost guarantee you it's it's it's not gonna go the way you want it to go.
Speaker 4: I wanna talk to a supervisor because
Speaker 2: I'm his way out here. He's on his way out here.
Speaker 4: 10 4. He requested a sign. Hey.
Speaker 3: How's it going?
Speaker 4: I'm doing alright, sir.
Speaker 3: Oh, just out with him.
Speaker 4: I told
Speaker 3: him he couldn't be on the median.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I called back my stuff up.
Speaker 2: Walk out to a car to get money.
Speaker 3: Did I saw him at the Circle K the other day with the car.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now he's refusing to give me his ID because I'm gonna write him a She's
Speaker 4: trying to write me a ticket because I was walking up this, packing up.
Speaker 2: She told me to pack up. I told you.
Speaker 4: I will Listen. Somebody stop me. I told you. You saw it yesterday.
Speaker 2: He saw it too. People give
Speaker 4: me money without me asking.
Speaker 3: I don't have Because because you're first of all, I mean, it it it can be inferred. Okay? Because that's the way the law works. Right. Things can be inferred.
So if it appears that you're violating the ordinance, that's how that works.
Speaker 4: Right. But if
Speaker 3: So you're so so so let me tell you look. Because because you're not a lawyer. You can get one, but I can tell you how the law works. You're in a median. Right?
You're waving at people in the median. And
Speaker 2: you won't you're walking down like this because I sit there and observe you, and that lady is a witness down there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I walked up and got packed up like
Speaker 3: you told me. I just want you to know. You can go to jail for this ordinance. If you if you can take listen. If you continue if you continue to argue with officers, you're going to go to jail.
And you're and and and we're going and we're just and we are we we are going to call animal control for your dog.
Speaker 7: You got
Speaker 3: That's that's Okay. But So so no. I You cannot you
Speaker 2: cannot be
Speaker 3: you cannot you cannot be here.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I told her Okay. And I interpreted you asking for money because you're like this. And you walked out to the car.
Speaker 4: Dude, you saw it.
Speaker 2: I was standing here talking I'm telling you right now. You don't give me your you're going to jail and calling animal patrol on
Speaker 5: your dog.
Speaker 4: For what?
Speaker 3: You're working for a crime
Speaker 4: like I
Speaker 3: said, commit. Can we get your ID?
Speaker 4: Dude, I didn't commit this crime.
Speaker 3: But you're also in the median after I've told you not to be here before. Have I not said that?
Speaker 4: And that's why I was vacating because she asked me to leave. And I was literally walking
Speaker 2: I did not have take anybody for money. Okay.
Speaker 4: That's right. I'm taking this to trial.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 3: You can.
Speaker 2: It's gonna go to trial anyway. You don't even have to ask for this one to trial.
Speaker 4: How I know? You're wasting taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well I pay my taxes too.
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Call your dog off. Of course, it didn't bite my boot, but it bit by
Speaker 4: the hit my Help me.
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Negative.
Speaker 2: Relax and give me your hand.
Speaker 4: Why are you doing that? I haven't done anything.
Speaker 10: You're cooperating.
Speaker 1: He's taking
Speaker 5: shots. His
Speaker 2: dog bit him.
Speaker 3: His body
Speaker 7: help me
Speaker 4: record this.
Speaker 1: His dog is never taking
Speaker 3: I get you, but when
Speaker 4: we are out here
Speaker 3: trying to get something from him and it won't happen, I have to do what I have to do. The dog bit me. Okay?
Speaker 4: I did
Speaker 3: it because
Speaker 4: you shot him with a taser. Please help me. Why are y'all doing this to me?
Speaker 1: Sir, what did they ask you for?
Speaker 4: They asked me for my ID, and then he grabbed me and tapped
Speaker 3: me. He's gonna get the floor.
Speaker 2: I was gonna drop it off the hand
Speaker 4: and get it to you. I need my dog. She's my medical device. Where's my dog? Where's my dog?
Where's my dog? My dog? Where's my dog, man? What are gonna do with my dog? Dog?
Where's my dog? Good. Yeah.
Speaker 10: That's alright.
Speaker 4: Please help me. Why are you doing this to me? I
Speaker 3: get, but but when we're when we're trying to detain the owner, of course, the dog's gonna and I asked him to call his dog off. The dog got on the dog got on the hood of the car, and the dog began barking. The dog and me the dog initially barked and bite bit my boob, but it didn't break my boob. I don't I didn't want I did not want this dog to bite my partner. You understand?
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 3: Okay. We asked for his ID. He refused us to give us his ID.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's it bit Taylor. I was
Speaker 5: about to
Speaker 4: bite partner. I need your information. I need your help.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. She's mad because he's here all the time, and they don't like they don't like the fact that
Speaker 4: we had to what's
Speaker 2: your name? Well, I don't like
Speaker 4: the accent to stop him.
Speaker 2: No. You
Speaker 4: tased my dog. My dog was running away, and he shot her while she was running away.
Speaker 3: I didn't shoot her. I tased her.
Speaker 4: Yes. He did. He tased her for no reason. My dog's never hurt anybody and neither involved.
Speaker 3: So he You got you got something you need to talk to me about?
Speaker 2: I just think that's what
Speaker 5: all these police for this one guy. That's a
Speaker 4: little bit ridiculous for me. For this one guy that's attacking officers and having his dogs bite officers? Yes, sir. That that's why we're all here. 45 off.
Because an officer got hurt. Yes. Absolutely. Okay. We're all coming out here to make sure that our officers are okay.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you.
I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna be your background on the whole story. I don't know. We told I came out here last week. Alright. He was in a meeting.
Speaker 4: I told him
Speaker 3: to remove from the meeting because he is backing for money. He says, I'm just waving. I'm not doing anything. I was like, okay. Well, you at least you have to get off the median.
Okay? You can't be in the median. He's like basically, he's like, well, I I can be on the sidewalk. He went over to the sidewalk. I let that be.
Okay? Today, Brooks was out here with him. She watched him. She saw him take money from people, getting money from people. You can articulate that as solicitor money because he's standing in the median after I told him last week not to do the same thing.
Okay. I guess he refused to give Brooks his ID. He refused to give Brooks his ID. So he gave us his VA ID, and I said, no. Not your VA ID.
Speaker 4: Need your
Speaker 3: dog, man. Your license. Okay? I understand the VA ID doesn't have certain information on it. I'm also I'm also I'm also a veteran myself.
I I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay?
So he he he starts getting angry and whatnot. He was like, this one is not violent. This one is not violent. Take my VA ID. Was like, no, sir.
I need your state ID that you have. And I go and he starts hollering and keeps, like, shoving in my face saying this is not violent. And I try to get it from him. He doesn't give it to me. Okay.
Speaker 4: Because
Speaker 3: I'm ID. Because we're trying to identify him. Okay. So I go to put him in handcuffs. He starts resisting saying help, help, screaming help.
His dog starts looking worried and whatnot. He runs over he runs over to my foot, and he nips it like he like, he nips at my foot. It doesn't nip, but he actually bites my boot, but it doesn't break my boot. At that point, I'm telling him to call off his dog. Okay.
Speaker 4: I see. I I can hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah. At that point yeah. That's exactly where it was. I told him to call off his dog. The dog jumps up on the hood, and I'm thinking it's gonna bite Brooks at this point
Speaker 10: Okay.
Speaker 3: As we're doing this because the dog is obviously worried. It's trying it's gonna try to protect its owner. It already bit me. Okay. So at this point, once the dog looked like it was about to get close to Brooks, I tased it.
Yeah. Okay. Because that was the logical thing to do to my apartment. It ran away.
Speaker 6: Shoot our shit.
Speaker 3: That's a logical thing to do. Instead of shooting the dog,
Speaker 5: you get
Speaker 3: you get what I'm saying? Yeah. And so I can protect my partner because I'm not about to let my partner get bitten by a dog.
Speaker 1: It's like a
Speaker 3: The German Shepherd.
Speaker 2: Like a German Shepherd mix.
Speaker 4: How big was it all?
Speaker 3: It's about this big. And it's a very well trained dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was it.
Speaker 3: I asked him multiple times to call the dog off. I was like, sir, call your dog off. Call your
Speaker 4: dog off. Mhmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah. After a bit. I said, call your dog off. Call your dog I off. Did not want it to bite brooks because we we were
Speaker 2: No. It would come up on me. Damn.
Speaker 3: Came up. And then this would come off. You see what they're
Speaker 4: doing. It's a whole squad out here. The whole
Speaker 3: Well, it
Speaker 4: it's not because of you. Police department. Sorry. Listen listen to me. It's not because of you.
It's because of
Speaker 10: the radio traffic that we heard. We didn't know what was going on. Okay?
Speaker 4: Okay. He's in the back here when we open it up. Did y'all ever get a is that his phone call? Okay. Perfect.
This is one This
Speaker 9: is the one that
Speaker 3: he did not log in. He's he's just being very argumentative. The So you go?
Speaker 4: What was the call? The call was him panhandling. Oh.
Speaker 2: And so I spoke to him, and then I went off to speak
Speaker 4: to the witness who flagged him Have you told him today to get off the meeting?
Speaker 3: I told I told him a few days ago. Okay. And it's on camera. I I can find it. It was a.
Speaker 4: But you've been you've told
Speaker 3: him before. Before me. So as I
Speaker 2: was speaking to the witness,
Speaker 4: I'm looking back at him,
Speaker 2: and he walks from there down to here with
Speaker 4: his hands like this and
Speaker 2: then goes and gets money from Okay. A car.
Speaker 4: Now the lady that was The other lady that was Is that the lady that wanted to talk to No. He wanted a sergeant. Oh, he did. Okay. Alright.
And so She's a witness. She
Speaker 2: they didn't see it all.
Speaker 3: They didn't they didn't see anything. All they saw was the aftermath for me taking the dog and everybody
Speaker 2: say the dog bit me, and then I could feel the dog come
Speaker 3: in between my legs. Okay. I did not want the dog to bite my partner while we're trying to detain him, man. Of course. And we don't know what he has on him.
Of course. That's that's that's the Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you've seen the dog go which way?
Speaker 3: It ran down this way somewhere down. Okay. Alright. Let
Speaker 4: me get his info and then
Speaker 10: Hey. We got your dog, man.
Speaker 8: Where is she?
Speaker 10: TJ Maxx. They've got her.
Speaker 4: Is there a TJ Maxx?
Speaker 10: Yep. Hey, Taylor. You wanna get your car out of
Speaker 4: the road? Hey. Somebody can come and pick up my dogs. He doesn't need to go to the town. Officer.
Okay.
Speaker 10: Oh, well, if you find her, he said he's got somebody who can come and get her instead of calling animal control. Hey. Oh. Oh. Oh.
Oh. Are you here for us?
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm going to take the dog to me. I I'm about to talk. Would you let me handle it. Yes, sir. I'm sorry, y'all.
Speaker 10: He says, yeah, somebody can come and get the dog.
Speaker 4: I
Speaker 3: don't know
Speaker 10: if it ran into TJ Maxx or what.
Speaker 4: They they just Sergeant.
Speaker 10: Somebody somebody took the dog? Yeah. Like a civilian?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Some random person.
Speaker 10: Took her to the animal hospital?
Speaker 6: Yeah. Donut.
Speaker 2: You just say ID. You're good? Yes.
Speaker 4: Right on.
Speaker 7: I wanna try and
Speaker 4: help you. Are you taking all
Speaker 6: of the
Speaker 4: Yes, sir. Please You help me. I'm a disabled vet. They didn't contact
Speaker 7: me for no reason.
Speaker 4: I was literally rolling up my dog's bed. Did they give did they give you did they give you commands? Did they give you orders to follow, sir? Yes. And I did.
I gave him my ID. And when I reached out to give it to him, he grabbed my arm and said, you're under arrest. Your v your VA ID or your actual state ID? I he asked for my ID, and I pulled out my VA ID, because that's the only valid ID I have. My state ID is not valid.
It's out of date. What what kind of dog
Speaker 7: do have, sir?
Speaker 4: She's a service dog. She's a Belgian Malinois. She's my medical device. She's prescribed by the Veterans Hospital. I'm a disabled vet service connected.
One of us to
Speaker 10: go with you.
Speaker 4: And I have mental health issues.
Speaker 6: That was my dog.
Speaker 4: Paved my dog. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't resist or anything. I was hanging him my What's your phone number, sir? What's your phone number?
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Speaker 10: Yeah. I was on the to take
Speaker 7: the road up.
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna go to the gym.
Speaker 4: They're they're trying to locate it, sir. They said it's
Speaker 10: Is that we've already told you. Is that the urgent care in Belmont?
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 10: Yeah. A concerned citizen took it.
Speaker 8: Alright. I just let
Speaker 4: my dog go with somebody. A stranger. Oh, sir. It
Speaker 10: ran off. Wait.
Speaker 4: We can't
Speaker 10: help. We didn't let it go. Somebody picked it up and took it.
Speaker 4: No problem. Do y'all have the phone number? Do y'all have the person's phone number or anything?
Speaker 7: Hey. We're we're taking care
Speaker 4: of your dog.
Speaker 10: Hello? Did you hear all of it?
Speaker 4: Did you hear about a half further?
Speaker 10: Let me let me get this guy to the gym, and I'll
Speaker 6: call you back.
Speaker 10: Alright. Let's see. Alright. Alright. Let's Let go ahead and step up.
Speaker 4: On one
Speaker 6: second.
Speaker 4: And my cuffs are messed up.
Speaker 10: Thank you. Yep. Alright.
Speaker 4: Can you fix my hand, please? It
Speaker 6: hurts really bad.
Speaker 10: Well, we're about to take him out here in a second. Okay. Alright, man. Take a seat on the red chair for me. No.
Red the other that one. Over there.
Speaker 4: The red chair?
Speaker 10: That one.
Speaker 1: It's always you.
Speaker 10: It's not me this time.
Speaker 1: Do you feel comfortable with the tank top off?
Speaker 4: Please. Because they were so bad. They're all wrong.
Speaker 1: I can't take them off. Thank
Speaker 4: you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now come down.
Speaker 10: Hey. Stop. Don't move.
Speaker 1: You're just not identification by
Speaker 5: chance. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to.
Speaker 10: Hey. Is there a rest? I need them in here. Is there a rest? Just letting you know.
Speaker 1: You just stay open hand. What's your name?
Speaker 7: Joshua Brewer. Okay.
Speaker 1: J o s h u a
Speaker 4: R o h r e r.
Speaker 1: R o h R e r. I'm sorry. What?
Speaker 4: J o s h u a r o h r e r.
Speaker 1: R o h u?
Speaker 4: R e r j o s h u a r o h r e r.
Speaker 1: Have you been there before?
Speaker 7: No, ma'am.
Speaker 2: Date of birth?
Speaker 4: 04/02/1984.
Speaker 7: What's
Speaker 1: your feeling? Okay. Once you're injured, anything, it doesn't induce any that should be, like, such as abscesses, seizures, mental health issues?
Speaker 4: Mental health.
Speaker 1: What's your mental mental health?
Speaker 4: PTSD, anxiety, depression, paranoid disorder.
Speaker 1: Right. Anxiety, depression.
Speaker 4: Paranoid disorder. PTSD.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got that one first.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I I apologize.
Speaker 10: How can
Speaker 3: I Oh, I think
Speaker 2: they're abrupt? Just put them.
Speaker 10: Y'all good? Yeah. We're good. I appreciate it. No worries.
Speaker 2: May I speak to Dave?
Speaker 6: This is him.
Speaker 2: This is officer Brooks with the Gas South City Police
Speaker 6: Department. Sir.
Speaker 2: It's ma'am. Yeah.
Speaker 6: What's that?
Speaker 2: It's ma'am.
Speaker 6: Oh, yes, ma'am. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You wanted someone to give you a call? Yes.
Speaker 6: Yes. I was trying to find out what I've been working with Joshua for, like, the last seven months to get him off the street. We finally got his VA paperwork in and everything, and I'm trying to find out, like, what the charges are if he's gonna get out. Like
Speaker 2: Well, we're still doing the paperwork. We have not went in front of the master yet. Right now, his charges, he's been charged with a general statue of soliciting on a highway or street, and then he's also charged with the city ordinance of solicitation because he flagged down cars and asked for money. And then he's been charged twice with RDO, which is resist the layup truck.
Speaker 6: Okay. Do you know what time it's gonna go before the magistrate?
Speaker 2: Here in the next couple of minutes since I get off the phone with you.
Speaker 6: Because he worked for the evening. Crap. So I'm working myself and the state of North Carolina as a veteran service officer. We just got his we gave paperwork in so we can look at getting them into some treatment program. Uh-huh.
Tim suggested that one of his options was to go to hold it up on my phone.
Speaker 2: Are you are you talking about, like, a rehab facility?
Speaker 5: It
Speaker 6: is cold. It's a Veterans Treatment Court. We're trying to get him help with his PTSD, and they have one in Chapala County that we can try and get him into if the magistrate will let us do that?
Speaker 2: It's up to the magistrate what kind of bond he has, but he does have charges pending. And he has charges pending for resisting an officer, And this is the same thing that we just encountered with him. So I can't tell you what the bond is gonna be. It's completely up to the master.
Speaker 6: Alright. Is there any way I'm allowed to speak on his behalf? Or
Speaker 2: No, sir. No, sir. When it goes to court, you can't. But not not right now for the master.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 6: Would you be kind enough to let him know if it matches your your size?
Speaker 2: What I can do is give him I can give him your number, and he can use the phone out here. And if he chooses to call you, it's up to him.
Speaker 6: Okay. Okay. Alright. I appreciate that. Alright.
You're welcome. Thank you. Stay safe.
Speaker 4: Alright. Bye.
Speaker 2: Know you got a lot you want to say, but it ain't worth it. You're be lying. It ain't worth it. It ain't worth it, bro.
Speaker 3: No. First of all, he's a DSO for who? That just did not sound legitimate at all. I am. That's why was like, do you work with me?
Speaker 2: You ready?
Speaker 1: Is there any way there there'll be, like, you know, the footage out so the public could see as well? So, you know, it looks
Speaker 2: do we
Speaker 1: know what's going on too?
Speaker 2: No, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Well, you're not directly involved in the case. So
Speaker 1: No. But we had to see it, and we know the guy, and we're very involved
Speaker 6: with him. I understand that.
Speaker 2: But unless you're his attorney and you're gonna subpoena the video on behalf of being his attorney, then no, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Okay. So what about when they have, like, footage out when the officers do things and they show it on the news? How does that come out?
Speaker 2: That comes after the whole investigation is done and the case is closed.
Speaker 1: So maybe after everything comes out, we can see the footage?
Speaker 2: That's only if his attorney subpoenas it to be put out to the public.
Speaker 1: Okay. And don't you think they should've probably like, if the dog was being aggressive, they shouldn't have let it get away then?
Speaker 2: And okay. I understand that. And you're speaking with the officer that was directly involved, the arresting officer.
Speaker 6: Well, that's good.
Speaker 2: Dog became aggressive. That dog became aggressive once we put hands on the owner.
Speaker 4: That I
Speaker 1: don't understand why he Why was he being arrested for standing there holding a sign? There's, like, homeless people every day holding a sign.
Speaker 2: Okay. But we've
Speaker 1: also didn't have an ID to give you.
Speaker 2: He did have a ID, ma'am. And that's what I'm trying to explain to everyone that wanted to come out and video it. Y'all didn't see the initial reaction, and y'all don't know that we've dealt with him in the past about panhandling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I understand that's against the law, but maybe if y'all would have calmly, you know, took a little bit of initiative to be calm about it.
Speaker 2: But if y'all have ma'am, yes And, yes, I did. I that was my second encounter with him today. The first encounter, I politely I didn't even get out my car
Speaker 1: the first the guy at McDonald's on Franklin that was panhandling too. Did you get him?
Speaker 2: Okay. And when, okay, and when we get out with people, we ask for their ID. It was as simple as give me your ID so I can issue a citation and you can move on. He did not wanna comply.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think some more issues will be coming up out of this after I get ahold of a lot more, you know, bigger people than you.
Speaker 2: That that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had to deal with the aggressive dog, but I think you took it out of control.
Speaker 2: Okay. That's completely that's your opinion.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, it's yeah. A lot of people. Alright. Have a good day, officer.
Speaker 4: Hello? Is this mister Jim Guard?
Speaker 7: Yeah. Who is this?
Speaker 4: This is sergeant Wood with the police department.
Speaker 7: How are doing?
Speaker 4: Hey. I'm so sorry to call you at a little after nine at night. I just came in at seven, and I wanted to I got an email that you maybe wanted to speak to someone.
Speaker 7: Yeah. We we we were out there early today, and I put this. It's it's been fine. I just wanna make sure your officer is doing their own, you know, de escalation and CIT stuff and what what these people are encountering. And and I've been doing this job a long time, and I get it.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
Speaker 7: But that's not you know, I'm gonna tell you, you know, you know what to do with. Yes, sir. But, hopefully, hopefully, they'll look it into it. Right? I mean, they got body camera.
All they're going through reviewing body camera?
Speaker 4: Yes, sir. We're we're reviewing all body camera, the call for service, everyone voicing their concern. Everything's being taken into consideration.
Speaker 7: God. I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2: I know
Speaker 7: you guys are kinda it's a hard ass job.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
Speaker 7: I just I just me being a veteran and doing things, and so I've done a police officer. I was I spent twenty six years at the sheriff police department, and that's the first time I've ever had been pissed off about something.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 7: And I worked with sheriff twenty six years. So I I get it. I get it. You know, if there's you know that I like the whole de escalation how you speak to somebody. I also wanna make sure that that homeless person was spoken to properly when they when the officer first encountered him.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Definitely. For sure.
Speaker 7: And I pissed off because of the one hundredth call that serves every oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: ID. I just saw you take money from that car.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You saw me take money,
Speaker 9: but you didn't see me
Speaker 4: ask to.
Speaker 2: Alright. Let me get your ID. Okay?
Speaker 4: You can't ask for my ID
Speaker 2: because not
Speaker 3: giving you money.
Speaker 2: Okay. Get your dog. Okay? Yes. I can.
It's called panhandling.
Speaker 4: But it's not panhandling if I didn't ask for it, is it? Like you said, it goes without being said. You know, we're we're doing as far as the admin side, as far as the everything that took place, we're taking everything into consideration. And and
Speaker 7: It's just the dog thing. I'll have to shoot five dogs on SWAT. Yeah. They ain't even because because they're attacking me, pit bulls.
Speaker 6: I hate it.
Speaker 4: Right. Right.
Speaker 7: That that's I don't understand that part either. So
Speaker 4: Yeah. For sure.
Speaker 7: We got the guidance. So
Speaker 4: Yes, sir. We're we're we're we're crossing all of our t's and dotting all of our i's and, you know, no stone's gonna be left unturned.
Speaker 0: This has to stop. Officers Taylor and Brooks need to be prosecuted for every crime they've committed stemming from this incident. North Carolina's State Bureau of Investigation needs to step in to investigate this incident and why Gastonia police chief Travis Britton and district attorney Travis Page fought so hard to cover this up. North Carolina's laws regarding the release of body cam footage need to be changed so that corrupt officials can't block it from the public. Justice will be served.
We're just getting started.
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Chevron Deference, a legal principle allowing regulatory agencies to interpret laws as they see fit, has been ended by the Supreme Court. This has allowed agencies to create rules without proper authorization, causing harm and overreach. The decision will have long-lasting effects in rolling back federal agencies. Politicians and the media are concerned about this change. A related meme has also been created.
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
For those who don't understand what Chevron Deference is, and why SCOTUS ended it, here's the long and short of it: A family fishing company, Loper Bright Enterprises, was being driven out of business, because they couldn't afford the $700 per day they were being charged by the National Marine Fisheries Service to monitor their company. The thing is, federal law doesn't authorize NMFS to charge businesses for this. They just decided to start doing it in 2013. Why did they think they could away with just charging people without any legal authorization? Because in 1984, in the Chevron decision, the Supreme Court decided that regulatory agencies were the "experts" in their field, and the courts should just defer to their "interpretation" of the law. So for the past 40 years, federal agencies have been able to "interpret" laws to mean whatever they want, and the courts had to just go with it. It was called Chevron Deference, and it put bureaucrats in charge of the country. It's how the OHSA was able to decide that everyone who worked for a large company had to get the jab, or be fired. No law gave them that authority, they just made it up. It's how the ATF was able to decide a piece of plastic was a "machine gun". It's how the NCRS was able to decide that a small puddle was a "protected wetlands". It's how out-of-control agencies have been able to create rules out of thin air, and force you to comply, and the courts had to simply defer to them, because they were the "experts". Imagine if your local police could just arrest you, for any reason, and no judge or jury was allowed to determine if you'd actually committed a crime or not. Just off to jail you go. That's what Chevron Deference was. It was not only blatantly unconstitutional, it caused immeasurable harm to everyone. Thankfully, it's now gone. We haven't even begun to feel the effects of this decision in the courts. It will be used, for years to come, to roll back federal agencies, and we'll all be better of for it. And that's why politicians and corporate media are freaking out about it.
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
More to the point, the end of Chevron Deference means the end of this: https://t.co/pQXuIdgQDE
Video Transcript AI Summary
I frequently called the Secretary of Health and Human Services in Massachusetts to discuss COVID-19 restrictions. She mentioned they were not allowing professional football, and I agreed. We also talked about when they would ease restrictions, with the plan being to do so the following Monday.
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Speaker 0: So I would call probably the person I called most was the Secretary of Health and Human Services in Massachusetts. She worked for a Republican governor just to but when she was like are you going to let them have professional football? And I was like nope. And she's like, okay. Neither are we.
Neither are we. So, you know, it was like conversations like that. So or or I'd be like, so when are you gonna think about lightening up a mess? They're like so, like, next Monday. I'm like, okay.
Next Monday.
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
And yes, I made that meme. Feel free to use at your discretion.
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Dexter Taylor, a software engineer, was arrested in New York for assembling legally-obtained firearms parts. Despite the Supreme Court ruling that protects the right to bear arms, Dexter was charged solely for exercising this right. His attorney argues that the laws passed in NY after a previous ruling are unconstitutional. Dexter is fighting for his rights and the rights of others. For more details on his case and to support his legal fees, refer to the article shared in the next post. #JusticeForDexter
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
This is Dexter Taylor. Dexter was arrested in New York for assembling legally-obtained firearms parts, almost 15 years after the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to bear arms. Dexter is a software engineer, and he loves building things. A few years ago, he discovered gunsmithing. “I found out that you can actually legally buy a receiver and you can machine that receiver to completion, and you buy your parts and you put them together and you've got a pistol or a rifle. And once I saw that I was hooked. I was like, ‘This is the coolest thing ever. This is the most cool thing you could possibly do in your machine shop.’” During this time, the Supreme Court ruled in NY Rifle & Pistol Association v Bruen that New York State's Licensing scheme was unconstitutional. They also ruled that any restriction on firearms ownership that didn't strictly align with the Second Amendment was unconstitutional. Based on this, Dexter (who also goes by Carbon Mike) continued to assemble legally-obtained firearms parts, fully confident that he was within his rights to do so. Unfortunately, the NY state government disagreed. The ATF and NYPD no-knock raided Dexter's home, breaking down his door and arresting him, and sent him to Rikers Island. Dexter had no prior criminal history. He is being charged solely for exercising his fundamental right to bear arms. Dexter and his attorney, Vinoo Varghese, are fighting the charges, arguing that the laws passed in NY after Bruen are every bit as unconstitutional as the ones that were struck down by Bruen, and that the NY state government is issuing even fewer permits than they did before Bruen. Dexter is fighting, not just for his rights, but for the right of every person to keep and bear arms, and I stand with him 100%. If you want to help, go to the link to an article that I've put in the next post in this thread for more details on his case, including his fundraiser for his legal fees. Keep up the fight, Dexter.
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
Here's the article by @jeffcharlesjr: https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/12/15/brooklyn-mans-gun-hobby-leads-to-a-swat-raid-and-a-legal-fight-for-his-freedom-n2167600
Brooklyn Man's Gun Hobby Leads to a SWAT Raid and a Harrowing Legal Fight for His Freedom
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@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
"There is of course an anti-System which is called Libertarianism, which means to tear down everything which creates some kind of influence of government into private lives." You're damn right we do. And we're going to win. https://t.co/DdU6SH9L4P
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
Here is the man who was just elected President of Argentina, detailing his plans for the government. https://t.co/RLaglC2OBj
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Protests are taking place outside various ministries, including Culture, Environment and Sustainable Development, Women, Gender and Diversity, Public Works, Science and Technology, Labor, Education, Transportation, Health, and Social Development. The speaker expresses opposition to political corruption and calls for freedom.
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Speaker 0: Pico y deporte, afuera, Ministerio de Cultura, afuera, Ministerio del Ambiente y Desarrollo Sostenible, afuera, Ministerio de las Mujeres, Género y Diversidad, afuera. Ministerio de Obras Públicas, afuera, aunque te resistas. Ministerio de Ciencia y Tecnología e Innovación. Afuera, Ministerio de Trabajo, Empleo y Seguridad Social, afuera, Ministerio de Educación, adoctrinamiento, afuera, Ministerio de Transporte, afuera, Ministerio de Salud, afuera, Ministerio de Desarrollo Social, afuera, se acabó el curro de la política. Viva la libertad carajo.
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The CIA's involvement in a satanic cult called the Finders, which preyed on children, is a disturbing revelation. In 1987, police arrested two cult members who were found with malnourished and abused children. A national investigation ensued, but suddenly all charges were dropped, and the case was closed. A US Customs Special Agent later revealed that the Finders were a "CIA internal matter" and a front for training agents. Despite evidence of criminality, no one was held accountable. Recently released FBI documents confirmed the abuse and government cover-up. The cult's founder, Marion Pettie, had ties to the CIA and infiltrated various movements. This shocking revelation exposes the government's dark actions and raises concerns about their current activities.
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
The CIA helped create a satanic cult that preyed on children. This is publicly-available knowledge, and no one was ever held accountable for it. In 1987, Tallahassee police responded to a report of two men in suits with 6 young children who were dirty, malnourished and covered in bites. Officers arrested Doug Ammerman and Michael Holwell on suspicion of kidnapping, trafficking and abuse of children. A few days later, they discovered that Ammerman and Holwell were members of a satanic cult called the Finders, and that the children's mothers (who were also members) had voluntarily given their children over to these men. These children, some as young as 2 years old, had been s*****ly abused, forced to live outside, kill and torture animals, and neglected and abused in other ways. The Finders were under the leadership of Marion Pettie, whom they called "The Pathfinder". He taught them a complex and rigid "New Age way of living" on his commune, controlled every aspect of their lives, and ordered them to give over their children to him so that he could teach them to "play games". Police released details of their investigation to the public, who was already in the midst of the "Satanic Panic" scare of the 80s. A national investigation of the Finders began, with federal agents and law enforcement from multiple states involved. And then suddenly, all charges were dropped, the men were released, and the investigation was closed. Why? Well, in 1993, US Customs Special Agent Ramon Martinez came forward to say he had participated in the Finders investigation, and had found evidence of not only what had been released, but of their intent to do even more horrific things in the near future. Soon after, they were informed that the Finders were a "CIA internal matter", that any evidence needed to be made secret, and that all investigation was to finish. Copies of a report confirmed what Martinez had said. The Finders were a "CIA internal matter", and the cult was a front to train agents. Two Congressmen, Tom Lewis (R-FL) and Charlie Rose (D-NC) went public with this news. Lewis stated "Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and [have] turned their backs on these children? That’s what the evidence points to... I can tell you that we’ve got a lot of people scrambling, and that wouldn’t be happening if there was nothing here." The Department of Justice conducted an investigation, and found that not only had the CIA and other government agencies done nothing wrong, but the Finders hadn't as well. Despite the evidence of criminality by both the Finders and the government, no charges were filed, and no one was held accountable. Then in 2019, the FBI published hundreds of documents related to this event. Even though they were heavily redacted, they still showed that police had raided Finders properties and found ample evidence of s****l abuse of children, including photos of n*** kids taking part in animal sacrifices, as well as cages that the children were believed to be kept in, and that the government refused to provide evidence to state investigators. It also showed that the wife and son of Marion Pettie, the founder of the Finders, had worked for the CIA. And this is where we find out why this all happened. Marion Pettie was a former Master Sergeant with the US Air Force. He began working with OSS (the spy agency that came before the CIA) during World War 2. After the war in 1946, he served as a chauffeur for a General, while still being trained in counterintelligence. He also bought hundreds of acres of land in Virginia, something he couldn't have possibly afforded on his salary. This land would later become the site of the Finders commune. Starting in 1957, Pettie's wife Isabelle got a job at the CIA. For decades, Pettie was trained in the US and Germany. And then his handler, Col. Leonard Weigner, told him to resign from the military, surround himself with "kooks", and infiltrate the Beatnik, Human Potential and New Age movements. He recruited a network of agents in the US and Europe to join his cult, where they were trained in counterintelligence, communication and computer programming. And to maintain his front, he recruited vulnerable people to join his satanic cult, devote their lives to his made-up lifestyle, and even sacrifice their children to him. He did this from the early 1970s until at least 1987. Let me say this again: the US government helped create a satanic cult, which destroyed families and preyed on children for decades, so that they could also spy on beatniks and hippies. This is yet another tragic example of what government means when they say they will "protect" you from "dangerous extremists". God only knows what they're doing to "protect" you right now, or who they're doing it to.
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Punishing individuals for requesting a jury trial highlights flaws in the justice system. Prosecutors fear trials would overwhelm the system, causing delays and dismissing cases. The solution lies in eliminating victimless crimes from legislation. Society or the state cannot be victims; only when a person's life, rights, or property are violated should it be considered a crime.
@RealSpikeCohen - Spike Cohen
Giving someone a 100% longer sentence, because they exercised their constitutional right to request a jury trial, is a perfect example of what's wrong with the justice system. And the reason they punish people for requesting a trial is clear: they prosecute so many people, that if even 10% of defendants requested a trial instead of taking a plea deal, the system would grind to a halt. Trials would take decades. They'd have to throw out most of their cases. And the backlog would grow with each day. The solution is equally clear: get rid of every law on the books that creates a crime without a victim. And no, "society" or "the state" cannot be victims. If an actual human being's life, rights or property wasn't violated, it shouldn't be a crime.
@rparloff - Roger Parloff
Before trial, USA offered Proud Boys plea deals, revealed yesterday. They passed. Result: Offer | Sentence after trial Tarrio 9-11 yrs| 22 yrs Nordean 6-8 yrs | 18 yrs Biggs 6-8 yrs | 17 yrs Rehl 6-7 yrs | 15 yrs Pezzola 4-5 yrs | 10 yrs /1
