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Tucker Carlson: 'A verdade sobre Viktor Orbán, o primeiro-ministro conservador da Hungria.' 🇭🇺🇧🇷 https://t.co/vUVMkmNk3K
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Hungary chose to defend its borders during the 2015 migration crisis, a stance that clashed with the EU's open-door policy. We believed it was our right and duty to protect our nation, culture, and traditions. Many European nations are experimenting with post-Christian, post-national societies, which we see as risky.
Despite being labeled a "totalitarian thug" by President Biden, our nation maintains strong economic and defense ties with the U.S. The core issue is our success as a conservative, national alternative within Western civilization. Our economic, political, and cultural achievements, rooted in traditional values and national identity, challenge the liberal world view. They criticize us because our success proves there is an alternative to their leftist liberal ideals.
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Speaker 0: Good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson tonight. Of the nearly 200 different countries on the face of the earth, precisely one of them has an elected leader who publicly identifies as a western style conservative. His name is Viktor Orban. He's the prime minister of Hungary. Hungary is a small country in the middle of Central Europe.
It has no navy. It has no nuclear weapons. Its GDP is smaller than New York State's. So you wouldn't think leaders in Washington would pay a lot of attention to Hungary, but they do obsessively. By rejecting the tenets of neoliberalism, Viktor Orban has personally offended them and enraged them.
What does Viktor Orban believe? Just a few years ago, his views would have seemed moderate and conventional. He thinks families are more important than banks. He believes countries need borders. For saying these things out loud, Orban has been vilified.
Left wing NGOs have denounced him as a fascist, a destroyer of democracy. Last fall, Joe Biden suggested he's a totalitarian dictator. Official Washington despises Viktor Orban so thoroughly that many including neocons in and around the state department are backing the open anti semites who are running against him in next April's elections in Hungary. We've watched all of this from The United States and we've wondered if what we've heard could be true. So this week, we came to Hungary to see for ourselves.
We sat down with Orban for a couple of long conversations including one this morning. In a moment, we'll show you some of that and you can make up your own mind about it. But first, a word about Hungary. Even if you understand that the American news media lie, it is always bewildering to see the extent of their dishonesty. Nothing prepares you for it.
We've read many times how repressive Hungary is. Freedom House, an NGO in Washington that's funded almost exclusively by the US government, describes Hungary as much less free than South Africa with fewer civil liberties. That's not just wrong. It's insane. In fact, if you live in The United States, it is bitter to see the contrast between, say, Budapest and New York City.
Let's say you lived in a big American city and you decided to loudly and publicly attack Joe Biden's policies. His policies on immigration or COVID or transgender athletes. If you kept talking like that, you would likely be silenced by Joe Biden's allies in Silicon Valley. If you kept it up, you might very well have to hire armed bodyguards. That's common in The US.
Ask around. But it's unknown in Hungary. Opposition figures here don't worry that they will be hurt for their opinions. Neither, by the way, does the prime minister. Orban regularly drives himself with no security.
So who's freer? In what country are you more likely to lose your job for disagreeing with the ruling classes orthodoxy? The answer is pretty obvious though if you're an American it is painful to admit it as we have discovered. With that, here's Viktor Orban. His accent is pretty thick, but his English is precise.
He's worth hearing. Mister Prime Minister, thank you very much. So in 02/2015, hundreds of thousands of migrants appear on your southern border. They appear all over Europe. They stream into Germany.
The rest of the EU says, welcome. Please come. We can handle it. We're strong enough. Hungary stands alone in saying no.
Why? Why did you take a different position on migration from other European countries?
Speaker 1: That was the only reasonable behavior. If somebody without getting any permission on behalf of the Hungarian state cross your border, you have to defend your country and to say, guys stop. And if you would like to cross or you would like to come, there's a legal procedure. We have to do it, but you can't cross, you know, without any kind of limitation and permission and any contribution and control of the Hungarian state. It's dangerous.
You have to defend your people against any danger.
Speaker 0: And you think you have a right to do that?
Speaker 1: Of course. That's got from the it's coming from the God, the nature, so all arguments be with us. Because this is our country. This is our population. This is our history.
This is our language. So we have to do that. Of course, if you are in trouble and there is nobody closer to you than the Hungarians, you have to be helpful. But you can't say simply that, okay, it's a nice country. I would like to come here and to live here because it's a nicer life.
This is not a human right to come here. No way, because it's our land. It's a nation. It's a community, families, history, tradition, language.
Speaker 0: Saying what you just said, which I think will seem obvious to a lot of our viewers, was very offensive to a lot of countries in Western Europe, to their leaders.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because because the many European countries decided to open a new chapter of their own history of the nation. They call it a new society, which is a post Christian, post national societies. They believe firmly that if different communities, even huge number of, let's say, Muslim communities, and the original inhabitant, let's say, Christian communities, are mixed up, the outcome of this will be good. There is no answer whether it will be good or bad, but I think it's very risky.
And the chance that it will be not good, but it will be very bad is obvious. And each nation has the right to take this risk or to reject this risk. We Hungarians decided not to take that risk, to mix up our society. That's the reason why they attack Hungary so harshly, and that's the reason why my personal reputation is very bad. You know, I'm I'm treated like the black sheep of the European Union personally, and sometimes Hungary as well, unfortunately.
Speaker 0: So it has been six years since Germany, since Angela Merkel made the decision to let many hundreds of thousands of migrants into her country. Millions. Millions. Non German speakers, mostly Muslim. What have the effects been in Germany?
Speaker 1: You know, diplomacy is,
Speaker 0: requires
Speaker 1: some bad behavior, but it was their decision. They took the risk, and now they got what they have deserved. That's their life. I would not like to make any categories to describe what was the outcome of their decision. I only insist on that the Hungarians has the right to make our own choice.
Speaker 0: You first became famous in the late eighties as a student as one of the leaders against Soviet occupation of Hungary. And you were a hero to many in The United States and at the time during the cold war we pay close attention to Hungary. I think the US government was on your side, you were on the side of the US government. So thirty years later, Joe Biden while running for president last year on ABC News described you suggested that you are and I'm quoting a totalitarian thug.
Speaker 2: You see what's happening in everything from Belarus to Poland to, to Hungary and the rise of totalitarian regimes in the world and as well as this president embraces all the thugs in the world.
Speaker 0: Is that bewildering for you to see the change? And how do you respond to that characterization?
Speaker 1: So first of all, the reaction of that kind of opinion here in Hungary is always not very polite, but to think, who is that guy to say that? Then we say, okay, he's the president of United States, so we should take it seriously. But anyway, somebody who does not speak our language has a very limited knowledge on Hungary, even in the recent, several decades of our life. Don't understanding us, obviously. Having an opinion like that, you know, it's by itself, it's a it's a personal insight for all the Hungarians.
But because he is the president of United States, we have to be very modest. We have to be very respectful and we have to make a lot of things to clarify that what he is doing is rather a fake. We try to do that in a polite way because we respect the Americans. We respect the American democracy, American culture. So we would not like to destroy our relationship because the bilateral relationship with the Americans is basically very good.
We are cooperating well on the, on the field of defense as NATO allies. Economic cooperation is excellent. You are a big investor here. Trade is going very well. Your businessman is, finding a lot of possibilities here.
So everything is fine except the politics when the liberals are in government in Washington. That's the problem. So we have to manage that because the the American, Hungarian, good relationship is a value, even if the Americans don't perceive today it as it was previously. So we have to save what we can save out of it.
Speaker 0: But it's a little strange. I I don't think Joe Biden has ever referred to Xi Jinping, for example, who has murdered many of his political opponents famously, as an a totalitarian thug. Why would he single you? And not just you, by the way, the the Polish government as well.
Speaker 1: The problem is the success. So it's a real challenge for the liberal thinkers that what is going on in Central Europe, Poland and in Hungary as well. In Hungary, more outspoken, probably speaking probably too much anyway, on our intentions. So, so what is going on here is building up a society which is very successful Economically, politically, culturally, even in demography, we have some success, family policy. So what you can see here could be described as a success story.
But the fundamentals of this success are totally different than it is wished, and run and created by the, by many other Western countries. So the, the Western liberals cannot accept that inside the Western civilization, there's a conservative national alternative, which is more successful at the everyday life, at the level of them, than the liberal ones. That's the reason why they criticize us. They are fighting for themselves, not against us. But we are an example that somebody or a country which is based on traditional values, on national identity, based on, tradition of Christianity could be successful or sometimes even more successful than a leftist liberal