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Posted - October 13, 2025 at 4:50 AM
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I’ve reviewed the thread, the official charging documents, and the prosecutor’s statements about Tyler Robinson, plus a long series of claims about Charlie Kirk. I summarize: the texts are unlikely fake; autopsy was performed; the .30-06 wound could lack an exit wound under certain conditions; multiple debunked claims include exploding lapel mics, back-shot vs front-shot, and foreign-op involvement. The thread argues for evidence-based conclusions and cautions against hype or framing innocents.

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THREAD: Fact-checking Claims Surrounding Charlie Kirk’s Death “Just asking questions” is not the same as asking loaded questions that wreck innocent people’s lives. It’s no longer about uncovering truth, it’s about DENYING it to push a narrative. And when controversy becomes currency, villains are invented, chaos is sold, and the truth pays the price. Questions ARE healthy. Paranoia isn’t. Let’s get back to asking SMART questions — the kind that seek truth, not destroy it. Because truth still matters.

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First, it's important to establish that these are the official charging documents filed in the arrest of Tyler Robinson, not some "viral PDF." You can view them here: https://atty.utahcounty.gov/cms/uploads/TJR_Information_49872215e3.pdf https://t.co/qDAfGHPRSV

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Next, here is the video of the prosecutor outlining the charges against Tyler Robinson. Though these are ALLEGATIONS pending a jury trial, he states: - Tyler turned himself in after a family intervention where he claimed he wanted to end his life instead of going to jail - Used a bolt-action .30-06 rifle, originally gifted by grandfather - Was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, a biological male transitioning genders - Mother alleged that he had become left-leaning in recent years, pro-gay and trans rights, and critical of Kirk's "hate" - Engaged in witness tampering by instructing roommate to delete incriminating texts and not speak to police - Surveillance footage showed him walking with an unusual gait, consistent with hiding a rifle in his pants leg - Police found spent cartridge casings at his residence with similar etchings to those on the rifle's ammunition - Police recovered the alleged murder weapon hidden, wrapped in a towel, with DNA evidence linking it to him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFOCgrEpGxQ

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False Claim #1: Tyler Robinson's texts are fake Reality: Claims that these texts are “fake” are extremely unlikely, as they were verified for inclusion in the official charging documents. If falsified (e.g., planted or staged), Tyler’s defense attorney could simply present counter-forensic evidence, such as communication records, metadata etc. to disprove their authenticity, potentially leading to a mistrial on the grounds of fraudulent or improperly obtained evidence. Though there is still time to do this, it has already been a month with no motion to dismiss. It’s reasonable to assume that the texts are from Tyler’s phone because no counter-evidence can be presented. (Still remains plausible though to question whether Tyler orchestrated the text messages to avoid implicating others who may have been involved.)

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The message included in the charging documents show: - Direct confession by Tyler Robinson -His motive - Confirmation he was at the scene of the crime - Plan to escape with the gun, removing all evidence - That the gun was his grandfather's - The towel seen in the video of him dropping off the roof with his DNA on it - Engraving of the bullets seemingly before that info was publicly available - That his father suspected him from seeing the gun on TV -Confirmation that the deputy neighbor was with him when he turned himself in - Telling his lover to not talk to the media Ashton Forbes breaks this down here: https://t.co/FkbKDWrdAq

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False Claim #2: “The texts were obviously written by an FBI agent because NO ONE talks like that” Reality: Someone who decides to murder someone has already proven they don’t think or act normal. You can’t use sensible logic to judge irrational behavior. Secondly, it’s far more plausible that Tyler scripted them in an attempt to absolve his roommate (and maybe others) than for the FBI to have planted them on his phone. Framing him would require hacking or physically accessing Robinson’s phone, bypassing encryption, and ensuring the messages blend with his communication patterns and timestamps. Again, Tyler's defense attorney could file a motion for dismissal if this were the case, but they haven't. However, the way they read is extremely detailed, as if to cover all bases. It’s actually the same playbook Walter White used in Breaking Bad and there are many real-world cases of people fabricating alibis via texts or emails.

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False Claim #3: "It's IMPOSSIBLE that a .30-60 wouldn't have an exit wound on a human. You’re pushing a magic bullet theory” Reality: Though admittedly rare, it IS possible under the right conditions. Documented medical cases, marines, hunters, gun experts, ChatGPT, Grok etc. all confirm that it CAN be stopped, deflected, or fragment when it hits vertebrae.

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Documented medical cases with no exit wound 👇 https://t.co/b5HlRuHpFv

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Marine confirming it’s possible 👇

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People keep arguing over what really happened to Charlie Kirk. I get it. Nobody trusts much anymore. Not the government. Not the media. Not influencers. But somewhere in all the noise, the facts are still there. Charlie was hit once. Right side of the neck. The shot came from above and to his right, around four hundred feet out. That is not rumor. That is what the forensics say. The bullet did not exit. People say that is impossible for a thirty aught six. It is not. Bone, angle, and energy loss can stop even a rifle round cold. It is rare, but it is real. Military wound labs, FBI files, and medical journals have all recorded it before. This was not a magic bullet. It was bad geometry. When you shoot downward from elevation, the bullet travels on a steeper path than your crosshairs. If you do not know that offset, your round hits higher than you think. That is how a man aiming at the chest ends up hitting the neck. He probably was not trained. He just did not understand the angle. Now here is what most people miss. The round entered on the right side and stopped just under the skin on the left. That kind of energy dumps everything inside the body. The pressure wave and shattered bone force the blood and tissue to blow out through the weak side. It is violent. It looks like an exit but it is not. The bullet still sliced through layers of skin as it slowed, leaving a ragged tear. That is why the left side exploded with blood even though the bullet never left his body. This would explain why the left side blew out the way it did. You do not have to be a doctor or see the autopsy report to understand that kind of force. You just have to know basic physics and what high velocity rounds do inside the body. That is a real explanation, not some alien theory or secret agent storyline. Now about all these cover up claims. I have heard them all. Government. Feds. Foreign ties. Could they lie. Sure. They have done it before. But ask yourself why they would here. What is the gain. If there was a bigger secret, you would see missing evidence, conflicting reports, or sealed files that do not make sense. None of that has happened. Could they be protecting themselves from embarrassment over security failures. Maybe. But that is not the same as rewriting what happened. This is not about taking the government’s side. It is about sticking to what can be proven. Skepticism is healthy. Blind faith is not. And neither is blind outrage. If someone says they have new information, tell them to show it. Evidence has timestamps, trajectories, and autopsy reports. Not whispers or secondhand clips. Truth does not need hype. It just needs receipts. Tig Hashtags: #TruthHasEvidence #FactsOverFear #ModernPatriotPodcast #BallisticsDontLie #AlwaysMoveForward

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Gun expert confirming its possible, though admittedly rare 👇 https://t.co/RbYGrr1wLd

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Is the "official story" that Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck by a 30-06 from ~130 yards away but didn't have an exit would even possible? Let's discuss... #CharlieKirk https://t.co/vpk9Yklp2i

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The video discusses the shooting of Charlie and examines the official narrative. The host notes that the official story is a sniper on a roof at roughly 130–140 yards, using a 30-06 bolt-action rifle, with ammunition that impacted Charlie’s neck and left no exit wound. He mentions that conservative media outlets have asked him whether this is plausible, and that Alex Jones reported TP USA sources claiming the bullet entered Charlie’s back at a downward angle and stayed there. Key points about the 30-06 are explained for context. The caliber was the US military standard in World War I and II, making it an older design. A comparison is shown with a 5.56 and a 0.308 projectile to illustrate size: the 30-06 bullet appears large, but ballistically it is very similar to the 0.308 due to powder improvements over time. The host emphasizes that many people now have experience with 0.308, so his discussion centers on terminal performance in soft tissue rather than cartridge shape alone. Several ballistic factors are highlighted. Bullets for 30-06 in 2025 vary widely in weight, typically 150–180 grains, with some as light as 110 grains and up to 200+ grains. Lighter, longer bullets can have higher ballistic coefficients, meaning they travel through air with less resistance and are very stable in flight, but they destabilize more quickly in soft tissue. He notes that higher ballistic coefficient projectiles may behave differently upon impact, potentially increasing the likelihood of atypical behavior upon penetrating flesh. However, the exact projectile type (full metal jacket, open-tip match, soft point, etc.) is unknown, and the FBI has released no information about the actual projectile. Regarding the probability of the reported scenario (a downward-angle hit with a 30-06 leaving no exit wound), the host estimates the odds as very small but not impossible. He provides a rough quantified sense: if this scenario happened a thousand times under the same conditions, it might occur one or two times. He stresses that it’s very unlikely that such a powerful round would leave no exit wound, but not impossible. He notes he has seen angles from different views suggesting no exit wound. He proposes that if the FBI and law enforcement want public confidence in the story, more information should be released. For example, if the bullet stayed in the upper torso, one would expect to see a temporary cavity forming as the bullet penetrates, and such cavitation would be evident in an autopsy; no autopsy details have been released in his view. He reiterates that the official account is highly improbable based on his experience with ballistics, armor, gel, and animals, but not proven impossible. The host invites questions in the comments and on his social media, asks viewers to say a prayer for Charlie and his family, and closes the video.
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Speaker 0: Welcome back everyone. Today we're making a video that I wish I wasn't making because I wish the events that we're gonna discuss here never unfolded. But unfortunately, as of course all of you know, Charlie was killed and the official narrative anyway, which there are a lot of holes in the official narrative, is that there was a man shooting from roughly a 130 to a 140 yards away from elevated position with a 30 aught six chambered bolt action rifle with a relatively long barrel. We'll get to that here in just a little bit. And he was using 30 aught six ammunition in that it impacted Charlie's neck and there was no exit wound. So when that was announced, I believe that was announced on Saturday, don't quote me on that, I got a ton of texts from people in the industry asking what I thought about that. I would tell them, and then this morning, because obviously it's Monday as of when I'm filming this, I'm not sure when it's gonna be up. But this morning, pretty much all the conservative media agencies reached out to me one in one form or another and asked if they thought it brother, if I thought this was possible or plausible or insane or completely, you know, complete nonsense if that makes sense. During those time during the time rather from when it was announced, that there was no exit wound to when, you know, now we're making this video, Alex Jones has made a video stating, and you guys can think whatever you want about Alex Jones, but it's an interesting insight, that the gentleman from TP USA who he talked to said that, the bullet went at a down angle into, Charlie's back essentially and stayed there. So let's discuss. So first off, for that many of you guys watching this, might not be familiar with what we're talking about with a 30 out six. 30 out six is the caliber that was the primary cartridge used by the US military for both World War one and World War two, so it is a relatively old bullet design. So, for example, this is a five five six projectile, this is a three zero eight projectile, and then next to it that is a 30 aught six projectile. Now, I show you guys this, not to make it seem like this is a gigantic bullet, which it is, it's a fairly large bullet, and thirty-six is a powerful round, no doubt about it. But compared to the five fifty six, you'll see that the five fifty six, the entire projectile case, powder, everything just sits in the case of the thirty-six. Now, one thing to preface that with is that 30 aught six, again, it was designed a long time ago, they didn't have as efficient powders as we have today. So in terms of ballistics, it's very, very similar to the three zero eight. The zero eight is just a touch behind it, but they improved the powders a lot. So while this does look much larger, ballistically, they are very, very similar. So, those of you guys who have experience or know people who have experience with three zero eight, in terms of terminal performance, I e how a bullet performs in soft tissue, they're going to be extremely, extremely similar. So I just say that because a lot more people in 2025 have experience with three zero eight than they do with thirty out six. So there is that just to start out with. So a few things about the shooting that we have to take into account. Again, I'm just going to talk about the official narrative. There are a lot of other narratives, lot of other theories that I think many of them have some plausibility, but for the purposes of this video, we are just going to talk about the official narrative, sniper on the roof, 30 aught six, one hundred and thirty, 140 yards away, and the impact that we all saw. Of course, I will not be showing any of that, but if the video is horrible and but if you saw it, some of the things that are in it are relevant to today's video. So there's that. So a few things about 30.6 is that especially in 2025, there are bullet weights that are all over the place. Like this one here, I believe is a 168 grain projectile. So the grain just means how many units, if you will, of actual mass go into the bullet itself. So in '30 s six today, most of them are gonna be between 150 to 180 grains in terms of size. However, there are a huge swath in terms of actual projectiles for this caliber. So I mean, I'm sure there's weird ones out there that I'm not even thinking about, but they they go go all the way down to a 110 grains all the way up to 200 grains and over. And so, one of the reasons you go for a smaller, and this has a lot to do with bolt design, but it's going to impact what I'm about to say here in a minute. One of the things, with a lighter longer bullet that you get in terms of performance when a bullet is flying through the air, it's called ballistic coefficient. Now, not all lighter weight projectiles are gonna have a higher ballistic coefficient, but many of them will. So, what the ballistic coefficient means for people who are not shooters, I'm gonna try not to go into too many rabbit holes today, but these things are important if we wanna understand the probability of the official story that we are being told today. So, a higher ballistic coefficient bullet is going to go through the air with less resistance. That's essentially what it means. And those bullets tend to be stable, very stable actually when they're going through the air. However, when they hit soft tissue, they destabilize much more quickly and are more likely to tumble than a heavier grain projectile and that just has to do with the mass of the actual projectile, right? So, the mass of a heavier projectile is likely to keep going in the direction it was going if it is heavier. I think everyone kind of gets that if you, you know, were to throw a boulder at something, it's going to be very different in terms of when it impacts a material than if you were to throw a small pebble at it. Right? Well, same thing is true here for the bullet weight. So, that is something to consider and as of right now, the FBI has released zero information at all about the actual projectile used. So, going back to what I earlier said earlier, the most common of the cartridges or the bullets that are used in 30 ought six rather are between a 150 to 180 grade. So keep that in mind. So with all that said, if you were to just ask me what are the odds of a 30 oz six projectile being shot at a downward angle, I think the angle from what I've seen online is anywhere from eight to 12 degrees, being shot at a downward angle, hitting someone in the neck, going into their chest cavity is. I would say it's very small, extremely small, but not impossible. I realize many of you guys, I'm slow to this video, was kind of on the edge as to whether or not I wanted to make it. But many of you guys have watched other people's videos where they're saying it's impossible. I get that, but weird things can happen with bullets when they get into soft tissue. Many of you guys have shot a lot of fleshy things. I have as well, particularly with three zero eight. I've shot a lot of things with three zero eight over the years and every now and then you see a bullet go in and exit somewhere at like a 90 degree angle or something like that. Those things absolutely do happen and if you were just to ask me how probable is it that this story happened the way it's being reported by the FBI as well as the folks at TPUSA, I would say it is very low but not impossible. So just to put a number on it, right? So if this type of scenario happened a thousand times, right, all the same factors that we're talking about, the angle, flesh, neck, etcetera. If all these things happen a thousand times, I would expect to see a result like this maybe one or two times, possibly, maybe. It's very unlikely that a bullet of with the power of 30 out six, which is a very powerful round, would not blow completely through and leave an exit wound. It's not impossible though. That is what I'm saying. Additionally, what I am saying is that I have seen the angles, I'm sure many of you guys have as well, from both the left side as well as behind Charlie a little bit, and you definitely don't see an exit wound. So, believe that whatever he was shot with, there was no exit wound. I do have some questions that I want to get to about that here in just a second based on a couple videos I have seen. The chances of this happening, the way they're saying it happened, in my opinion, based on years of shooting armor, gel, animals, all types of things that you guys have seen here on the channel, they go up if it was a higher ballistic coefficient bullet. Again, going back to what I was outlining earlier, those are very stable in the air. However, when they hit soft fleshy material, they destabilize much more quickly than heavier, low ballistic coefficient projectiles. So, if it was like some sort of odd copper round or something like that, it is much more likely I would give it a number like 10 in a thousand, something like that. Still extremely unlikely, I want to be very very clear on this. What they're saying happened is extremely unlikely. It's not impossible. And the odds go up if it was a higher ballistic coefficient projectile. Again, don't even know what type of projectile it was. We don't know if it was full metal jacket. We don't know if it was a open tip match. We don't know if it was a soft point. All of those other factors would also have to be factored into what I'm saying, but we don't know any of those variables rather so I can't say it. Then if you were to tell me that it was like a 180 grain projectile foam metal jacket let's say, I would tell you that it's about as low as possible. So I don't know, one in fifty thousand chance that that could happen, right? So the odds change, right, based on the input that is happening. However, in all cases, it is very unlikely that what we are being told happened actually happened. And the only way I can really think of in terms of if the FBI and other law enforcement agencies actually want the American people to be confident in the story we're being told is to release more information. So for example, if this happened and the bullet actually stayed in Charlie's upper torso, what you'd expect to see on video, and again I haven't seen it yet, what you would expect to see is when the bullet impacts him, if it was deflected down into his chest cavity, you would expect to see the chest cavity go like that. For those of you guys who watch a lot of ballistics videos, you'll know that that is called the temporary cavity, right? So, when a high power rifle round like a point zero -six impacts fleshy material, it goes through and it's going through so fast that fleshy material is obviously almost all water, so you can't compress water. And so, because of that, the bullets going through so fast, the water material, the flesh material can't expand as fast as the bullet is going through. So, it kind of pushes everything out with some violence away from the bullet path, if that makes sense. So you typically will see something like that happen. Now, I've seen two pretty good high definition videos of this. I haven't observed that behavior at all in Charlie's torso, however. I have no idea what the frame rate those videos are at. So again, I can't say definitively, but I would would say that if it was a 30 out six and it was contained within his chest cavity, I would expect to see that happen within his chest. For a brief moment in time, we don't see that. However, even with that, if that did happen and there was what is called the temporary cavity, temporary stretch cavity some people call it, as well as you'll have the permanent cavity, which is what is actually crushed and crushed rather and destroyed by the path of the bullet, that would be very easily seen in an autopsy, right? So, the autopsy has not been released that I have seen and, if the story that we are being told happened as it is be as it is claimed anyway, that kind of cavitation and damage would be very apparent based on what happens with any type of thirty-six. I mean, again, are very powerful rounds for sure. A lot of people will say that the AR 15 shoots an extremely powerful round. Well, again, not even close. The 30 at six is a hammer and, what we're being told again is very unlikely, just not impossible to hit the point again. So, with that, that really is my take on it. If you guys have questions or anything like that, feel free to post them down below in the comments section. Additionally, all the other, social media where I will be posting this, you can ask, post those questions over there as well. But that is my initial thoughts on the possibility that the official story, which again, there's a lot of holes in the official story, but possibility that that happened ballistically because that is kind of the area that I do know based on my experience. So that is it. Let me know what you guys think down below. Before closing the video out, just ask everyone to say a prayer for Charlie and Charlie's family and everyone around them. I can't imagine what they're going through, especially Charlie's wife. So please do that. And with that, we're gonna close the video out. Thank you all for watching. I truly appreciate it. And I look forward to seeing everybody in the next video.

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Many hunters have confirmed no exit wounds are possible with .30-06👇 https://t.co/SzrWXV1buP

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Grok response: https://t.co/3JC6cIt3xS

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Also, MLK. The Remington .30‑06 rifle used in the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. did not produce an exit wound — a fact confirmed by both the official autopsy and a subsequent congressional forensic review. This isn't speculation; it's documented history. If a high-powered rifle failed to cause an exit wound in one of the most scrutinized shootings in modern history, why is it so hard to believe it could happen in other cases?

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At this point, it’s clearly demonstrated that it IS possible. But what’s truly fascinating is that someone who chooses to deny this reality is left asking the question: If the FBI were intentionally lying about the caliber, wouldn’t they have chosen a version of the story that didn’t invite so much scrutiny and debate? It’s far more reasonable to believe they reported that caliber because it’s what the evidence actually showed

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False Claim #4: “Kirk was killed by an exploding lapel mic” Reality: A lapel mic lacks the space and power for a lethal explosion. Video footage shows the mic moving WITH the blast, not causing it, disproving the claim. Here is Nate Cornacchia, retired green beret (who even doubts the FBI narrative) but debunks this specific claim 👇 https://youtu.be/TCF6UJKVKFc?si=wIgPG4i05ljxMhf5

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False Claim #5: “Kirk was shot from the back, not the front” Reality: Even Candace has shifted to the official FBI narrative that Kirk was shot from the front. She then incorrectly states that it would be impossible with a .30-06 round👇

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Though her conclusions are inaccurate, Candace Owens shifts to the FBI’s original narrative that Charlie Kirk was shot from the FRONT and that the bullet DID NOT EXIT his body. That's a start. https://t.co/L90hrg1rVw

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The speaker asserts that Charlie Kirk was shot from the front and that the bullet did not exit his body, with at least a fragment of the bullet recovered from his neck. This is presented as the part of the story that is true and is claimed to dispel various theories. The speaker states they have fact-checked this information from multiple sources over more than a week of review. The fragment is described as being recovered “right around here,” approximately in line with Charlie Kirk’s shoulder blade, near the center of the back, in a location “almost in line with your shoulder blade.” The speaker argues this location provides a bullet trajectory: the bullet entered in the described area, was stopped there, and a fragment was pulled from the neck region along the spine’s line. A key point emphasized is that a .30-06 round was not recovered intact. The speaker asserts that there was no recovered bullet from a .30-06, stating that “They did not recover a bullet from a 30 odd six. They didn’t recover a bullet from a 30 odd six. Just didn't happen.” They contrast this with the presence of .30-06 bullets in some context, implying that while .30-06 rounds were found, no complete bullet was recovered. The speaker notes that death certificates in suicide cases typically reflect the gun and the bullet when both are known, and claims that there is not a bullet reflected on Charlie Kirk’s death certificate because a .30-06 bullet was not recovered. The speaker asserts that the information has been cross-checked with multiple sources and that it undermines other theories, reinforcing that common sense supports their account. The closing remark addresses hunters and military personnel, acknowledging agreement with their perspective: “Hunters and military men rejoice. It turns out that common sense still rules the roost. Okay? You guys were right.”
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Speaker 0: Now I can tell you the part that he is telling the truth about is that Charlie's neck indeed did stop the bullet without question. Okay? And this is going to dispel a lot of theories that are out there, and I'm telling you this 100%. Charlie Kirk was shot from the front, and the bullet did not exit. And at least a fragment of the bullet was recovered from his neck. And I'm going to tell you exactly where it was recovered from. I have fact checked this information from multiple sources now. I've actually been sitting on this, for a little bit over a week. Right around here. So think about almost in line with your shoulder blade right in the center. Now why is that helpful? Because it gives us a bullet trajectory. Okay? Went in here where you saw that, and it was stopped and a fragment was pulled from think of right if you're just touching your spine in line, with your shoulder blade. That leads us obviously to the part that he's maybe not being forthcoming about. They did not recover a bullet from a 30 odd six. They didn't recover a bullet from a 30 odd six. Just didn't happen. Okay? They had found a 30 odd six bullets. Charlie's death certificate certainly would have reflected that. In suicide in suicide situations, that's just one example, medical examiners feel free to chime in. I've spoken to quite a few. But when the gun and the bullet are known, they are reflected onto the death certificate. Okay? There is not one reflected onto Charlie Kirk's death certificate because they did not recover a bullet from a 30 out of six. Hunters and military men rejoice. It turns out that common sense still rules the roost. Okay? You guys were right. You're absolutely right.

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False Claim #6: “Kirk’s death certificate doesn’t mention a .30-06 round, which it should.” Reality: Death certificates typically do not specify the caliber of a gunshot wound, focusing instead on the cause of death. That’s why Kirk’s death certificate does not mention a caliber at all—not even a different one.

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False Claim #7: “There was no autopsy completed for Kirk, which is why one hasn’t been released.” Reality: Utah law *requires* an autopsy in homicide cases and does not allow anyone, not even Erika Kirk, to request that one not be completed. It's not to prove that he died, but to prove how he died to a jury -- showing ballistics, trajectory, entry wound, bullet etc. Official reports confirm one was performed by the Utah Medical Examiner's Office, with preliminary findings (e.g., neck gunshot, no exit wound due to bone density) referenced in media. No full report is public yet (as of October 14, 2025—normal for ongoing investigations, expected in 4–6 weeks), but fact-checks and surgeon statements contradict the "no autopsy" narrative. Where did this belief come from? A viral (unverified) dispatch audio clip, claimed "no autopsy was performed" before Charlie Kirk's death certificate was issued. In the ~30-second audio (allegedly from Utah emergency dispatch), a voice states: "He did not go in for an autopsy, the death certificate was signed by the doctor at the hospital." However, the viral clip likely refers to the initial hospital pronouncement (where a doctor can sign a preliminary death certificate for natural/sudden deaths), but in homicides, the certificate is amended post-autopsy. Experts like Lauren the mortician notes it's a common mix-up in rushed reporting. She also alleges that she specifically CONFIRMED with her own source that one was completed, watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsS1V4jvcFM

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False Claim #8: "Kirk's hands in casket looked like a mannequin, it's so fake" Lauren the mortician confirms that his hands look completely normal for *deceased* hands. Waxy, flat color, stiffness, etc. is embalming 101. It appears waxy because the body’s natural fluids are replaced with preservative chemicals like formaldehyde, which harden the tissues. This process halts decomposition and removes moisture, giving the skin a smooth, wax-like appearance. The stiffness comes from protein cross-linking caused by the embalming fluid, which essentially “sets” the muscles in place.

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Speaker 0: I'm struggling to believe that these hands on the open casket of the live performance of Charlie Kirk—who was allegedly murdered—are real. I asked GPT to confirm whether the hands were real. The wider shot confirms it even more clearly: the hands lying on the suit look artificial. The texture is too smooth, the color is flat and waxy, there are no veins, pores, or natural warmth. The positioning is stiff and mannequin-like, not how a relaxed human hand would rest. The hand with pink nails is clearly real. To confirm, the hands on the body in the suit aren’t real; they look like wax or a mannequin or some sort of prop. After I sent this message, I got a notification. I hadn’t been on ChatGPT for ages; the first time I started diving back in, it came up saying that it looks like my server responded with the wrong SSL. Speaker 1: Oh my god. He actually asked ChatGPT if the hands were real, not if they were deceased, just are they real? And then acted like he solved the crime novel when the AI said no, they’re waxy. Congrats—you outsmarted a robot with a bad riddle. But here’s the hilarious part: everything ChatGPT listed as proof they were fake—waxy texture, flat color, stiffness, and the way the hands are positioned—is literally embalming 101. You accidentally read off my mortuary science textbook, so thanks for the assist, buddy. Bruh. All of this conspiracy energy makes me realize how little people actually know about death care. Speaker 2: Very next day. They didn’t even have time to refrigerate him and perform an autopsy. I mean, obviously we saw what happened. We saw what happened. Thank god I have not seen it; I don’t want to see that. But I can assure you that that is not a person. That is not real. For it to get to this level, it’s going to have to have been at least a week. I remember, but I’ve never worked in a funeral home. If there’s a debate, I don’t want to start it, because if you don’t see it, I can’t help the blind, you know what I’m saying? Speaker 1: And then there’s her; she literally says she’s never worked at a funeral home and then launches into a whole CSI monologue. Like, no. Have you worked in a funeral home? Again, no. Then why are you out here diagnosing embalmed?
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Speaker 0: I am still having a struggling time believing that these hands right here on the open casket of the live performance of the beloved Charlie Kirk who was maliciously murdered the other day are actually real. So I've had to ask GPT. Now I rarely use chat GPT, but what happened after this question was very weird. But anyway, we asked, so to confirm these hands aren't real and send the images of the hands, and it said, yeah. Looking at this wider shot confirms it even more clearly. The hands lying on the suit look artificial. The texture is too smooth. The color is flat and waxy. There are no veins, pores, or natural warmth. The positioning is also stiff and mannequin like and how a not how a relaxed human hand would naturally rest. The hand with pink nails is clearly real bloody bloody blah. So to confirm, the hands on the body in the suit aren't real. They look like wax or mannequin or some sort of prop. Now let me show you what happened after I sent this message. I got this notification. Now I haven't been on ChatGPT for ages. The first time I start diving into this, it's literally came up saying that it looks like my server responded with the wrong SSL. Speaker 1: Oh my god. He actually asked ChatGPT if the hands were real, not if they were deceased hands. Just are they real? And then acted like he solved the crime novel when the AI said, no. They're waxy. Congrats. You outsmarted a robot with a bad riddle. But here's the hilarious part. Everything chat GPT listed as proof they were fake, waxy texture, flat color, stiffness, positioned hands is literally embalming one zero one. You accidentally read off my mortuary science textbook, so thanks for the assist, buddy. Bruh. All of this conspiracy energy makes me realize how little people actually know about death care. Speaker 2: Very next day. So they didn't even have time to refrigerate him and bomb him. Like, he got no autopsy done. Like, I mean, obviously, we saw what happened. Right? We saw what happened. I mean, thank god I have not seen it. I don't wanna see that. But I can assure you that that is not a person. That is not that's not real. That's not real. For it to get to this level, it's gonna have to have been at least a week. Okay? I I remember I know. But I mean, I've never worked in a funeral home. Okay? If there's a I don't even wanna start this debate because because if you don't see it, I can't help those I cannot help the blind. You know what I'm saying? Speaker 1: And then we've got her. She literally says, I've never worked at a funeral home and then launches into a whole CSI monologue. Like, no. Have you worked in a funeral home? Again, no. Then why are you out here diagnosing embalmed?

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Part 2: https://t.co/ZXz8vzhsOz

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The speaker addresses several common claims about the deceased, providing corrected explanations based on mortuary practice. They state that the body was embalmed, which is why the hands appear waxy; embalming firms the tissues, removes circulation, and creates a smooth, waxy look, after which cosmetics are applied to restore color. In this case, the embalmer apparently was attempting to cover bruising, rather than color-correct, resulting in a heavy, dark, and incorrect shade that makes the hands read as unnatural or mannequin-like to nonexperts. The speaker emphasizes that the appearance is due to embalming and cosmetics, not refrigeration, a week-long delay, or Hollywood special effects. Regarding autopsies, the speaker asserts that high-profile homicide equals automatic autopsy, a standard procedure that applies regardless of who the person is. They argue that the body was autopsied immediately and embalmed immediately, and that all of this can occur within a twenty-four hour window when involved parties include the family, law enforcement, and, in this case, the vice president, implying funeral homes can move quickly when necessary. On the matter of whether the body could have had time to deteriorate or be left unrefrigerated, the speaker rejects the notion, reiterating that the process involved was rapid autopsy and embalming, not a delayed or neglected handling. When addressing the appearance of the hands, the speaker explains that what is seen is not a wax dummy but embalming with cosmetics. The embalmer’s goal was to cover bruising, but the cosmetic work was done poorly—too heavy, too dark, and the wrong shade—leading to the perception of aging or an unnatural look. The speaker also tackles a question about a missing indent where a wedding ring would be. They explain that men’s rings often sit differently than women’s; rings slide over larger knuckles and may not leave a deep indent. They note that the groove may not be permanent, and point out that watching videos of him shows him handling his rings, suggesting the indentation isn’t definitive. Furthermore, embalming changes the appearance by firming and plumping tissues, which can smooth small lines, wrinkles, and minor indentations. The speaker gives an example of elderly individuals looking years younger after embalming because fine wrinkles fill in. In summary, the video argues that the observed waxy hands result from embalming and cosmetics, not refrigeration or negligence; autopsies are performed promptly in high-profile cases; the rapid timeline is plausible given involving parties; and ring indent explanations combine anatomy (knuckles) with embalming effects, rather than indicating a missing feature.
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Speaker 0: Like you've got a prep room in your basement. She says they didn't have time to refrigerate him. They didn't have time to embalm him. Wrong. He was embalmed. That's why the hands look waxy. That's literally the whole point of embalming. She says he didn't get an autopsy. Wrong again. High profile homicide equals automatic autopsy. That's standard procedure. Doesn't matter who you are. She says for his hands to look that weird, it had to have at least been a week. Girl, how would you even know that? Did you sneak into a funeral home on a field trip and forget to tell us? Because unless you've stood over an embalming table, you don't get to set timelines like you're the county coroner. The reality is simple. He was autopsied immediately, embalmed immediately, and, yes, all of that can happen in a twenty four hour window. When the family, law enforcement, and in this case, the vice president are involved, funeral homes move fast. Well, we definitely can when it matters. Now about those hands. What you're seeing isn't a wax dummy. It's embalming in cosmetics. Embalming firms the tissues, removes circulation, and that alone creates this smooth waxy look. Then cosmetics are applied to restore color. In this case, the embalmer clearly was trying to cover bruising, gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, instead of color correcting. They just painted over it. It's too heavy, it's too dark, and it's the wrong shade. And that's why the hands look aged, and that's why the hands look unnatural. It reads as mannequin to people who don't know what they're looking at, but to me, it's just bad cosmetics. So no, it's not about refrigeration. It's not some week old body left sitting around, And it's definitely not Hollywood special effects. It's embalming done quickly and cosmetics done poorly. The only thing fake here is the confidence of people pretending they know what happens behind closed doors in a funeral home. You don't need special effects experience to understand this. You need mortuary science, and that's why I'm here. So let them keep shouting wax figure. All I see is embalming with a bad paint job. And honestly, that's on the embalmer, not the body. So someone asked why doesn't he have an indent on his finger where his wedding ring should be? Well, let's break that down because first, men's rings usually fit different than women's. Most men have larger knuckles, so the ring slides over the knuckle and sits looser on the finger itself. That means there's not always a deep indent to begin with. And if you watch videos of him, you'll even see him playing with his rings, so it's not like that groove was permanent. Second, embalming changes everything. The fluid firms and plumps the tissues, almost like it's rehydrating the skin. It can smooth out small lines, wrinkles, even minor indents. I have had 90 year old ladies who look years younger after embalming because those fine wrinkles fill back in.

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False Claim #9: "Josh Hammer was NOT referencing Iryna when he tweeted about public executions on 9/9 because it wasn't even trending" Reality: This claim, amplified by Candace Owens, is easily debunked. Iryna’s case was trending on 9/9, referenced by Charlie Kirk himself and even the White House. Thousands of tweets, including discussions on the death penalty AND public executions, circulated among major conservative X accounts. Evidence follows, starting with Owens’ false claim. This is the perfect example of the importance of not hiding behind the guise of “just asking questions” when the clear intent is to frame an INNOCENT person to your audience, leading them to the false conclusion that Hammer had foreknowledge of his friend’s murder, thereby implicating him.

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First, these are the tweets circulating of Josh Hammer that are being referenced by conspiracy theorists. This interpretation of foreknowledge ignores all context and reality, requiring the absurd assumption that Hammer would publicly post something implicating himself if he were involved:

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Here is President Trump himself holding a briefing in the Oval Office at 10:52am that highlighted Iryna's murder by career criminal Decarlos Brown Jr. https://t.co/3LZfIyH4qM

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President Donald J. Trump denounces senseless crime in Democrat-run cities & the horrific murder of a young woman in Charlotte by a deranged criminal monster. "It's time to stop this madness. The people of our country need to insist on protection, safety, LAW & ORDER." https://t.co/eUD5KuTufC

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The speaker criticizes Democrat governance of major cities, arguing that Democrat-run cities have allowed savage, bloodthirsty criminals to prey on innocent people. They claim radical left judges, politicians, and activists in these cities have adopted a policy of catch and release for thugs and killers. The speaker cites a specific incident in Charlotte, North Carolina, where a 23-year-old woman who came from Ukraine was murdered on a public train, presenting a photo of the victim and stating she was a beautiful young girl with a magnificent future in this country who is now dead. The killer is described as a deranged monster who was roaming free after 14 prior arrests. The speaker asserts that a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders is spreading destruction and death throughout the country and insists that the response must be forceful and strong, stating that “they” understand only one language: to be vicious like them. They claim that 24 of the top 25 most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrat mayors, with Chicago highlighted as an example where 50 people were murdered in recent weeks and hundreds were shot. The speaker contends that it is time to stop this madness and that the people of the country need protection, safety, law, and order. A claim is made that it has been proven that safety can be restored, citing Washington, DC, as an example. The speaker describes DC as previously a bloodthirsty, horrible, dangerous place and one of the worst, but now it is a crime-free city, and they assert that this can be done and can happen fast. The speaker states the goal to keep it that way. The audience is urged to seek help from the president, with the message that Chicago needs help and other cities need help. The speaker pledges to take whatever actions are necessary to achieve safety, declaring that they will make America safe again, including the big cities. The address concludes with a call for support and for decisive action to restore safety and order.
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Speaker 0: For far too long, Americans have been forced to put up with democrat run cities that set loose savage, bloodthirsty criminals to prey on innocent people. Really, very, very innocent people. In every place, they control radical left judges, politicians, and activists, and they've adopted a policy of catch and release for thugs and killers. In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the results of these policies when a 23 year old woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end on a public train. And here's a picture of it. This is the picture of it. And this is a picture of the woman, a beautiful young girl that never had problems in life with a magnificent future in this country. And now she's dead. She was slaughtered by a deranged monster who was roaming free after 14 prior arrests. We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country. We have to respond with force and strength. We have to be vicious just like they are. It's the only thing they understand. 24 of the top 25 most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrat mayors. 50 people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks with hundreds being shot, and it's time to stop this madness. The people of our country need to insist on protection, safety, law, order. We have proven that it can be done because we did it right here in DC in District Of Columbia, the capital of America, was a bloodthirsty, horrible, dangerous place, one of the worst. And now it's a crime free city, and we're gonna keep it that way. It can be done. It can happen fast. All we want is, please, mister president, we need help. Chicago needs help. Other cities needs help. We'll do what has to be done because we're gonna make America safe again, and that includes our big cities. We're gonna make those cities safe. Thank you.

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That entire day, many conservatives were talking about the death penalty for such murderers, even going as far as to say we should bring back public executions, quote-tweeting Trump's famous "public execution" tweet (that he made in 2013 in reference to the Boston marathon bombers). You will notice above that Josh didn't make his tweet until 6:05pm later that day. You can actually check quote tweets and see for yourself. Are we to believe Candace does not know how to do this? An enormous amount of people did the same thing, yet only Josh Hammer is being accused, why?

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This is the horrific footage that many people watched on 9/9 that caused the outrage and response from the White House: https://t.co/23KgKGut0k

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HORRIFYING new footage of the career criminal who stabbed Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska on a train in Charlotte This is the future Democrats want for America👇 https://t.co/bCSMOmVYx4

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To try and frame him of foreknowledge, you have to deny all context (both retweets prior were about Iryna) and disregard everyone else talking about it that day: https://t.co/77roycPHFt

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@RealCandaceO You are literally the world’s worst “journalist” His literally two tweets DIRECTLY before that one were BOTH about Iriyna….. You are an absolute moron 🙄🙄🙄 https://t.co/8gvwv1jnuC

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Here is the screen recording of his timeline. It is the job of any “journalist” to verify facts before making insane conclusions. The context and the trending topic of the day clearly shows what he was referring to: https://t.co/FnUD2cOULf

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Though you can debate the idea of whether we should bring back public executions, Josh has consistently stated throughout the years that he personally believes that “someone this monstrous deserves not merely to die, but to have his life taken in the public eye..” 👇 https://t.co/dqR6sCno9w

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That being said, it makes perfect sense why he would tweet “public execution” on 9/10 AFTER it had just been announced by the FBI that the assassin of his dead friend was caught (though this later turned out to be the wrong suspect). Again, Josh Hammer strongly believes the assassin deserves not just the death penalty, but to be publicly executed:

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False Claim #10: An Egyptian Air Force plane departed AFTER the assassination, suggesting it was a military operation involving foreign leaders. Reality: This false claim promoted by Candace Owens appears to come from her misinterpreting "UTC" (Coordinated Universal Time) as "Utah Time." The flight in question left BEFORE Kirk's assassination took place. Though she was community noted and admits the timeline error, she still insists that it must be connected. Yet, the idea that foreign leaders would orchestrate a military operation and physically travel to the future crime scene just for a secret meeting— instead of using secure digital communication and encrypted channels like VPNs or secure video conferencing—is not only illogical but absurdly impractical in the modern era. Such a scenario would be unnecessarily risky and sloppy.

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False Claim #11: “Kirk was shot by a front row audience member directly in front of him” Reality: Independent experts Chris Loesch, Gary Melton, Matt Kestor and others confirm the official narrative that a front-row shot is infeasible because ballistic analysis shows a high-angle, downward trajectory from ~400 feet, matching the Losee Center rooftop, not a close-range shot. Video and audio evidence, including a 0.5-second supersonic crack and no muzzle flash in the crowd, rule out a nearby shooter. The entry wound's location (left neck) aligns with the roof's angle, not a frontal shot. Many of the vids also show people looking back and up towards the roof of the building.

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Yesterday, a shooter took aim at Charlie Kirk during his speech at Utah Valley University. The weapon: an older Mauser bolt-action rifle in .30-06 Springfield, fired from the Losee Center rooftop. Distance: 131–200 yards, per mapping and video evidence. The .30-06 is an old, trusted, flat-shooting round. From a 22-inch barrel, a 165-grain bullet at 2,700 fps drops ~2.7 inches at 131 yards, ~4.3 inches at 200. Used in WW2 and Korea sniper rifles, it’s deadly accurate at these ranges. Charlie was fatally hit in the neck. A sniper’s analysis backs up what I have been saying that the shooter aimed for the head but didn’t account for that drop. It’s a shot any novice hunter could make, but a pro adjusts for drop. This was an amateur with a dark motive not some super spy. The manhunt’s on.

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