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Tucker on Syria and its Christians after the fall of Assad: “It makes me so sad…I’m enraged by it.” “Why was I supposed to hate Assad again…Seemed like a fine guy to me. Oh, he’s a murderer. As compared to whom?” https://t.co/gIsGvOtClH
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As a Protestant Christian, I'm angered by the lack of attention given to the persecution of Christians, especially in the Middle East. It's outrageous that U.S. tax dollars might be used to harm them. Religious leaders, including figures like Mike Johnson, need to speak out against this.
Beyond that, the situation in Syria is deeply concerning. It's a strategically vital location, not some remote area. I oppose regime change in general, but if it's going to happen, there needs to be a plan for rebuilding credible authority. We can't just create chaos and leave a power vacuum like we did in Iraq. Also, why was I supposed to hate Assad?
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Speaker 0: What's the situation a year from now?
Speaker 1: Makes me so sad. Yeah. It just makes me so sad. I was reading I hate to say this. It sounds so promising, but I actually was reading first Peter last night and and, you know, in it, it's in every epistle in every book of the New Testament.
It's like, you're gonna suffer. There's gonna be persecution of Christians, like badge of honor. Sign, you're doing the right thing. And I and I believe that as a Christian. However, I'm enraged by it, and I'm enraged, enraged by Protestant Christian churches.
I am a Protestant Christian, and I believe it, and I always will be a and I'm proud to be a Protestant. However, Protestant Christian churches in The United States totally ignoring the murder of Christians in The Middle East. I just can't the oppression of Christians, I can't handle it. It makes me so angry. And, I don't know why that just triggers me, and maybe it's just me.
But, when the church and the nativity got shot up, in the early two thousands, I'll never forget it. I was at CNN. I was so mad. No one's saying anything. Yeah.
You're shooting into the church where on the site where Jesus was born. Really? And American Christians are like, no. Really? It's important because Hamas is like, whatever it was at the time.
You are not allowed to use US tax dollars to murder and oppress Christians, period. 67% of this country's Christian. That is outrageous. And until Christian religious leaders say, look. You know, we have may have views on this or that Middle Eastern conflict, but the one thing we're on is you cannot use US tax dollars to murder Christians.
They are no threat to anybody, and that's, you know, that's true in Pakistan. That's true in Iraq, and I've met Christians in all these countries. Pakistan, Iraq, threat to Levant. You can't do that to Christians, period, until Mike Johnson, who's always telling everybody how Christian he is, until he says that and the people like him say that is gonna continue. So so on that level, I'm personally really distressed.
I think I have a right to be distressed. But on another, it's like another regime change war. Can I just make one point, like, super autistic obvious point that no one's making? Syria is not Iraq. It's it's on the Mediterranean.
It's the Levant. It's in the middle of freaking Europe. It's right across the water from I mean, this is, like, in the heart of everything. People don't I really think geography plays a massive role in everything, and I'm interested in it. Syria is right there.
It's not Libya. It's not Somalia. It's ringer Italy. Like, are you joking to create chaos there? And, you know, I'm basically against regime change on many levels, practical and ideological, except in extreme cases, but I'm they have to be pretty extreme.
But if you're gonna have regime change, then change the freaking regime. Just carve up the country. Who's in charge? I saw this in Iraq with my own eyes. I was there.
You knock off the dictator. That's easy. Driving Assad to Moscow wasn't that hard. It took three days. Killing Saddam was not that hard.
What's hard is to rebuild authority, credible authority that can manage a fractious country like Syria or Iraq or any country. They're all fractious. United States is. It's hard to manage these places. If you're gonna break something, replace it with something better or something.
And the fact that we did that again with our allies is I I it's hard to believe that just happened. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't even believe it. And the last thing I'll say is, tell me now that he's gone and in Moscow and in disgrace and shame and has lost his country.
Why was I supposed to hate Assad again?
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Why I supposed to have any feeling whatsoever for Assad, which I never did? Seemed like a fine guy to me. Oh, he's a murderer as compared to whom?
Speaker 0: And also, like, civil wars don't that's the other thing that I found gross about the reporting after, you know, he fled the country or whatever. Like, CNN, every every outlet was saying, oh, who butchered it or, like, heinous crimes, but they don't even actually bother in the reporting to list them. And so I'm not defending Assad. I'm sure he's done some bad things like everybody else has you say, but, like, if it's so clear and obvious, like, just list them in your article.
Speaker 1: Like, This is a product of grand strategy. These were decisions made at a level, you know, in some ways above government, but wherever it was made, the decision was made under the Obama administration that Osad must go. So they're like, okay. Osad must go because they've got a whole plan for the region or whatever, which may or may not be valid. But for The US media just to adopt a political strategy as, like, a moral imperative, like, now one minute, Assad's wife is on the cover of Vogue.
The next minute, you have to hate her as a war criminal because Hillary Clinton decides that, you know, Israel wants the area above Golan or whatever the goal was or we want the oil or we wanna help the Kurds or whatever the imperatives were. And then the media, like, adopts that as some sort of, like, more like, it's a moral crime to disagree? Are you joking? These are all regime outlets. I mean, actual regime outlets.
Like, The New York Times is filled with people who are doing the bidding of the CIA
@eduneret - Eduardo Neret
@TuckerCarlson A few months ago, I asked Tucker about the fall of Assad. He told me it made him “so sad,” and added that he was “enraged by it.” “Why was I supposed to hate Assad again…Seemed like a fine guy to me. Oh, he’s a murderer. As compared to whom?” https://t.co/5XQ26qUpO9
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It makes me sad and enraged to see Protestant Christian churches in the US ignoring the murder and oppression of Christians in the Middle East. I'm triggered by the lack of outrage, especially when churches are attacked. US tax dollars shouldn't fund the murder of Christians, and religious leaders need to take a stand.
I'm also concerned about regime change wars. Syria isn't some remote country; it's strategically vital. If you're going to intervene, you need to replace the old regime with something better. We haven't done that, and I can't believe we keep making the same mistake. Why was I supposed to hate Assad? Now he's gone. The media just blindly adopts political strategies as moral imperatives, like The New York Times doing the bidding of the CIA.
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Speaker 0: What's the situation a year from now?
Speaker 1: Makes me so sad. Yeah. It just makes me so sad. I was reading I hate to say this. It sounds so promising, but I actually was reading first Peter last night and and, you know, in it, it's in every epistle in every book of the New Testament.
It's like, you're gonna suffer. There's gonna be persecution of Christians, like badge of honor. Sign, you're doing the right thing. And I and I believe that as a Christian. However, I'm enraged by it, and I'm enraged, enraged by Protestant Christian churches.
I am a Protestant Christian, and I believe it, and I always will be a and I'm proud to be a Protestant. However, Protestant Christian churches in The United States totally ignoring the murder of Christians in The Middle East, I just can't the oppression of Christians, I can't handle it. It makes me so angry. And, I don't know why that just triggers me, and maybe it's just me. But, when the church and the nativity got shot up, in the early two thousands, I'll never forget it.
I was at CNN. I was so mad. No one's saying anything. Yeah. You're shooting into the church where on the site where Jesus was born.
Really? And American Christians are like, no. Really? It's important because Hamas is like, whatever it was at the time. You are not allowed to use US tax dollars to murder and oppress Christians, period.
67% of this country's Christian. That is outrageous. And until Christian religious leaders say, look. You know, we have may have views on this or that Middle Eastern conflict, but the one thing we're on is you cannot use US tax dollars to murder Christians. They are no threat to anybody, and that's, you know, that's true in Pakistan.
That's true in Iraq, and I've met Christians in all these countries. Pakistan, Iraq, threat to Levant. You can't do that to Christians, period, until Mike Johnson, who's always telling everybody how Christian he is, until he says that and the people like him say that is gonna continue. So so on that level, I'm personally really distressed. I think I have a right to be distressed.
But on another, it's like another regime change war. Can I just make one point, like, super autistic obvious point that no one's making? Syria is not Iraq. It's it's on the Mediterranean. It's the Levant.
It's in the middle of freaking Europe. It's right across the water from I mean, this is, like, in the heart of everything. People don't I really think geography plays a massive role in everything, and I'm interested in it. Syria is right there. It's not Libya.
It's not Somalia. It's ringer Italy. Like, are you joking to create chaos there? And, you know, I'm basically against regime change on many levels, practical and ideological, except in extreme cases, but I'm they have to be pretty extreme. But if you're gonna have regime change, then change the freaking regime.
Just carve up the country. Who's in charge? I saw this in Iraq with my own eyes. I was there. You knock off the dictator.
That's easy. Driving Assad to Moscow wasn't that hard. It took three days. Killing Saddam was not that hard. What's hard is to rebuild authority, credible authority that can manage a fractious country like Syria or Iraq or any country.
They're all fractious. United States is. It's hard to manage these places. If you're gonna break something, replace it with something better or something. And the fact that we did that again with our allies is I I it's hard to believe that just happened.
Yeah. Yeah. I just can't even believe it. And the last thing I'll say is, tell me now that he's gone and in Moscow and in disgrace and shame and has lost his country. Why was I supposed to hate Assad again?
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Why I supposed to have any feeling whatsoever for Assad, which I never did? Seemed like a fine guy to me. Oh, he's a murderer as compared to whom?
Speaker 0: And also, like, civil wars don't that's the other thing that I found gross about the reporting after, you know, he fled the country or whatever. Like, CNN, every every outlet was saying, oh, who butchered it or, like, heinous crimes, but they don't even actually bother in the reporting to list them. And so I'm not defending Assad. I'm sure he's done some bad things like everybody else has you say, but, like, if it's so clear and obvious, like, just list them in your article.
Speaker 1: Like, This is a product of grand strategy. These were decisions made at a level, you know, in some ways above government, but wherever it was made, the decision was made under the Obama administration that Osad must go. So they're like, okay. Osad must go because they've got a whole plan for the region or whatever, which may or may not be valid. But for The US media just to adopt a political strategy as, like, a moral imperative, like, now one minute, Assad's wife is on the cover of Vogue.
The next minute, you have to hate her as a war criminal because Hillary Clinton decides that, you know, Israel wants the area above Golan or whatever the goal was or we want the oil or we wanna help the Kurds or whatever the imperatives were. And then the media, like, adopts that as some sort of, like, more like, it's a moral crime to disagree? Are you joking? These are all regime outlets. I mean, actual regime outlets.
Like, The New York Times is filled with people who are doing the bidding of the CIA
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In my interview, I express concerns about Mike Johnson and Dan Crenshaw's emotional state. I discuss my involvement with Trump’s cabinet and my shift in support from Ron DeSantis to Trump. I touch on RFK Jr., government harassment of Americans abroad, and the influence of the ruling class on our economy. I share insights on preventing socialism, the situation in Venezuela, and the collapse of Assad's government. I also respond to criticism from the pro-Israel Right regarding my interview with Jeffrey Sachs, acknowledging the heightened sensitivities following October 7.
@eduneret - Eduardo Neret
An interview with Tucker Carlson 00:06 - Tucker: There is something profoundly wrong with Mike Johnson 01:30 - Dan Crenshaw is emotionally out of control 03:40 - Did Tucker block Mike Pompeo from the new Trump admin? 05:27 - How involved is Tucker in helping Trump staff his new cabinet? 06:14 - When Tucker started to sour on Ron DeSantis and move towards Trump 10:52 - Tucker on RFK Jr. 12:47 - Is Tucker hassled by our and foreign governments while traveling? 14:13 - The U.S. government uses proxies to harass Americans abroad 16:19 - Reaction to Luigi Mangione and his supporters like AOC 18:14 - Why Tucker considers himself radicalized 19:09 - How the ruling class is distorting our economy for their own gain 20:02 - Here's how we prevent socialism from taking hold 23:00 - Tucker explains what he saw happen to Venezuela 25:52 - Tucker's take on the New Jersey drones 28:42 - Collapse of Assad's government in Syria 35:04 - Responding to criticism from the pro-Israel Right on the Jeffrey Sachs interview 38:00 - Tucker: October 7 understandably made people sensitive and paranoid
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Tucker Carlson discusses the political landscape, criticizing Mike Johnson for prioritizing Ukraine funding over domestic issues. He expresses concern about Dan Crenshaw's volatile behavior and the disconnect between political leaders and their constituents. Carlson emphasizes the need for accountability in government, particularly regarding foreign policy and the treatment of Christians abroad. He reflects on the chaos in Syria and the consequences of U.S. involvement, arguing that regime change without a credible replacement leads to further instability. Carlson also addresses the backlash against discussing differing viewpoints on Israel, asserting the importance of free speech and the responsibility of the U.S. government to act in its citizens' interests. He concludes by highlighting the complexities of international relations and the necessity of honest dialogue.
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Speaker 0: Alright. Tucker Carlson, it's great to have you.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Eduardo.
Speaker 0: I'm told we don't have much time, so I'll I'll try to move through the topics quickly. I wanna start with Mike Johnson who, you know, a couple days ago on your show, you said, I don't wanna be mean to him. I don't wanna pick on him. And I and totally sympathized
Speaker 1: with him. Mean and
Speaker 0: picked on him. Well, no. But on the on the eve of of Trump's inauguration, right before Christmas, he tried yesterday to shove through a 1500 page spending bill that would have given Chuck Schumer all of the leverage with the debt ceiling going into next year. I mean, there was a lot more than that in the bill, but, I mean, I guess the the point is, like, what's up with that? What what why what what's going on
Speaker 1: with my job? There's something profoundly wrong. I don't I don't understand it exactly, but I watched him make the number one priority of his speakership funding Ukraine, without any audit at all at a time when the US border was open. The United States itself was being invaded, and his priority was protecting the borders of a country that whose language he doesn't speak his knows nothing about, and it's not America. And it's not the only country that he's whose interest he's put above ours.
And so, you know, I I don't wanna overstate it. I think that's a it's a kind of treason, and it's very common in Washington. He's not the only one. But I you know, once you see that, then you lose all faith in a man. And so I wasn't shocked by what happened, but I was very pleased to see, Elon Musk just just basically stop it single handedly, which is amazing.
Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. It's amazing.
Speaker 0: I wanna ask, you know, another person you're a huge fan of, Dan Crenshaw. I don't know if you saw this, but someone had put out a tweet saying, Dan Crenshaw is pushing for this bill because it includes a 40% pay raise for member of congress. And Dan Crenshaw had recently been complaining that, like, oh, we don't make enough money. We're, like, destitute. And so he I wanna quote it exactly because it's just hilarious.
So he responds to this guy on x, and he says, you fucking lying piece of shit. But, hey, whatever gets you pathetic bottom feeders clickbait, you fucking insell. As if so now if you're against Dan Crenshaw's spending bill, you're you're like an insell or something.
Speaker 1: You don't have no sex. Yeah. So, I mean, Dan Crenshaw obviously is not emotionally prepared to lead anything, and, you know, he's out of control he's out of control. And I think that he's a really volatile person. I I hope he gets help.
I mean that. And, but, you know, he's also a pretty sinister person, I would say, whose priorities are not, aligned with his party's voters, but also have kind of nothing to do with the United States. So Right. I, you know, I I object I mean, I feel I'm being wanna be honest. I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw.
I had conflict with Dan Crenshaw. I felt like he was emotionally out of control, and so I feel sorry for him. But I also think it's not just him. It's a lot of leadership of that party just doesn't put the United States first at all. And, you know, they all wanna suck up to Trump and America first.
Really? Where where's the money going? It's not going here. It's going to the countries whose lobbies control you. Right.
You know? That's the truth.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, if you're if you're responding to angry people on x like this, if you're responding to cat turd and you're, like, a member of congress, maybe maybe you have better things to be doing. Yeah. He's a veteran. I don't know if you knew that either.
Speaker 1: But I have actually had a conflict with with him once, and I was like, I gotta learn more about this guy, and so I did. And I I won't even
Speaker 0: I'm not We can leave it at that.
Speaker 1: No. Leave it at that, but I end up feeling sorry for him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I think Dan Crenshaw's really unhappy, and I don't think unhappy people should lead in general.
I don't think they make good parents. I don't think they make good congressmen. I don't think they make good presidents. I don't think they make, you know, good public intellectuals. So, like, deep personal anguish is not a good starting point for wise decisions.
No.
Speaker 0: I read the other day that you played a role in blocking Mike Pompeo from, the new Trump administration. So thank you for that. You don't even have to say if it's true or not. But I did wanna ask you, how involved have you been with the transition? Like, how, you know, how often do you talk to Trump, maybe not even necessarily about this, but since his election victory, I mean, how closely
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen him, you know, pretty regularly, but I'm definitely not a political player. Never have been. I'm not good at it. I don't understand it. I I never can successfully predict who's gonna win any race.
I just don't have a natural feel for it at all. I wish I did, but I don't. But I have, you know, strong views on a few things. I don't have a ton of power, but I I expressed my opinion if I think it's really important. I'm certainly not, like, bombarding anybody with my dumb views on anything.
But Mike Pompeo is a criminal, so Yeah. You can't make him defense secretary. He tried to murder somebody who hadn't even been charged to the United States with a crime because he embarrassed Mike Pompeo's agency, which, by the way, was the CIA, which needs reform desperately. It does not need to commit more murders. And just as a sort of obvious observation, federal appointees are not allowed to murder people with my money in my name.
That's illegal. That's a crime. That's attempted murder. He tried to kill Julian Assange. And I've said that many times in public.
He's threatened through other people to sue me. Go ahead, you you freaking criminal. I'm not the criminal percent. He is a criminal. Right.
So I don't think that's a tough call. There are lots of people I disagree with who I don't think are criminals, but Mike Pompeo is. And, I just wanna say it again. Mike Pompeo is a criminal. That's not allowed.
If you think that that's okay, then we just have a completely different vision of everything, and we're just on opposite sides Yeah. I guess.
Speaker 0: Well, on on that on the Trump administration, I mean, you spent a lot of time with him throughout the campaign, I think, at at different key moments. But something for me having having been on a different side, like the show, Tucker Carlson tonight when we were at Fox. You probably don't know this, but I remember it really well the day after the 2022 midterms when I think it's safe to say looking back, you know, it it probably wasn't the best night for Trump whether, you know, that was his fault or not. But I guess my point is it wasn't clear right after the midterms that, you know, the nomination was his or that he would even win the presidency, win the White House. And, you know, Justin was there
Speaker 1: that seemed like he would.
Speaker 0: It didn't. And
Speaker 1: Not to me. Well, it shows you what I know. Nothing.
Speaker 0: So much so much so that, you know, I had a conversation with Justin that morning, and he I won't say who, but he said, well, maybe, you know, this campaign, we should start developing a relationship. You know, we just don't know what's gonna happen. And so, obviously, things change. People can say Butler, Pennsylvania, but I I think things have started to change before. So having been in there
Speaker 1: the day. I know the day. So, I was starting to spend the winter in Florida. I was very impressed by Ron DeSantis' response to COVID. I'm still impressed by it.
I'm impressed by DeSantis' command of detail, which is amazing. I'm impressed by his intelligence, his energy, but, you know, at almost exactly the same time, three things happened. DeSantis completely changed his stated view of the war in Ukraine, which is gravely hurting America, in my opinion, at the request of a donor called Ken Griffin. And I saw that, and I was like, wow. You know, you can't you can't do that.
Second, they passed in effect a a censorship law, hate speech law in Florida, which is not only unconstitutional, but contrary to the spirit of of America itself. Your right to say what you think is bestowed by God. It cannot be taken away. Government's job is to protect it. That's government's first job because it's the first amendment.
So I I was really distressed by that. I still like DeSantis, but I sincerely disagree on those two issues. But the big change with Trump was the rate on Mar a Lago on August of 2022. 2022. Yeah.
Speaker 0: No. Because I guess it would have been after the probably 23 was it 23? Would have been No. It's 20 after the No.
Speaker 1: It was it was 22. And, that's when the midterms were a disaster. I don't know if that was Trump related or not, but but when they raided Mar a Lago, that's when I thought that this is too this is too on a on a documents charge. I'm from DC. I know a lot of my dad worked for the government.
I know a lot about I know enough about classification. So that that oh, that's just ridiculous. Yeah. That's political persecution using the justice department. And, like, I wasn't as cynical as I am now 2 years later.
I was, like, really shocked by that. And I think a lot I think the the effort to put Trump in prison on fake charges really changed a lot of people, and they felt I'll speak for myself. You just feel like, well, okay. There's this guy who's running for office, who's a human being, who's got strengths and weaknesses, but the system itself is the greatest ever device. It should be preserved against the vandals who are destroying it.
And it that for at least in my head, that became the one where Trump started to assume, like, symbolic proportions, kind of. Like, this is a fight against a blob that has not done a good job managing the country at all. It's kind of running into the ground, honestly, and they need to be defeated. And then I think over the course of the campaign, like, Trump really became this different. I've known him for over 20 years because he was in the media.
He really became different. You know, we people change under pressure. Even Trump, who's pretty resistant to pressure. Like, I've really kind of never met anyone that tough. He did change, and then getting shot changed him as well.
So, you know, a lot happened. And so we're I'm a different person from what I from the man I was 2 years ago. Trump is a different person. Everything's different. The calculations are all different.
Yeah. And I Don't you think do you feel that?
Speaker 0: Totally. And and I think I heard Glenn Glenn Beck who said this the other day that, you know, obviously, it's too bad Trump didn't win in 2020, and the country has suffered a lot under Biden for sure. But Glenn had sort of said, in a way, we should be thankful that certain things happen because the the second Trump term that we're going to get now, because of what he's learned, because of what he's gone through, is going to be far better than what, you know, a 2020 to 2024 Trump term would have gone. And I kinda believed I hadn't really thought about it in those terms, but he himself being out of office, I think, is is gonna be refined better
Speaker 1: Totally agree.
Speaker 0: Everything we're gonna get. Hopefully, policy wise, is gonna be even better. The winning is just not gonna
Speaker 1: stop happening. There's so many lessons, but one is we're not in control of history. Like, the way things unfold is not consistent with our timing or preferences. Things happen for reasons that we don't understand at the time. We maybe don't understand in this lifetime, but there is a purpose behind events even if we can't see it.
And, have a little more faith, I guess, would be Yeah. Kind of the answer. Like, I'm not god. I can't see the future. None of us can.
And just it's all been a nice reminder of that. Things happened. I'm sure I know you feel the same way. It's like so much has happened in the last 12 months that I who has had time to sort it out Yeah. And really think about what it means?
It'll be years before I figure it out, if ever.
Speaker 0: I'm just sort of glad to be in the moment. Like you said, I mean, I haven't even since the election, it's it's sort of I mean, even the the Butler thing, it's like, 2 weeks later, we were talking about something else, and it's like, well, they just tried to shoot this guy. I
Speaker 1: mean, like,
Speaker 0: why have we moved on from, but back to his his,
Speaker 1: it's almost too much to digest, though, don't you think?
Speaker 0: Yeah. At least for me. I mean, maybe there are people smarter than I who can Maybe Elon gets it. Yeah. Part part of his second campaign was building this coalition that, again, didn't exist before.
And I think the 2 cabinet picks, that most represent that are Tolsey and Robert f Kennedy Junior. You know them both well. I know Tulsi pretty well. The question is, do you think they get confirmed?
Speaker 1: I think Bobby will get confirmed for sure, for a couple reasons. I think he's a couple of Democrats who will support him. He and they support him because for one reason. He is a national constituency. I did a couple several Trump rallies with with Trump before the election, and Trump, of course, gets the most applause.
It's a Trump rally. You know, Trump is the most famous man in the world. But Bobby was was not a distant second, actually. Like, Bobby Kennedy at a Trump rally was huge. Yeah.
I saw it with my own eyes. I was on stage. It was incredible, the reaction of Trump voters to Bobby Kennedy. I was really so I mean, I've been friends with him for a while, so I love Bobby Kennedy and happy to say so. But I was, like, the only sort of Trump aligned right winger I knew who liked Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 0: Someone I someone close to me who's probably a little turned off by Trump told me she voted for Trump because of Robert f. I mean, he had poll
Speaker 1: Is it the person close to you? I know.
Speaker 0: No. But but, we got engaged actually the person No way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know if that's who you're referring to, but, no. Someone else someone in my family.
Speaker 1: I told you to marry that girl. I'm so
Speaker 0: glad you're already married.
Speaker 1: In fact, we're in a helicopter in a foreign country, and we were flying up in a place we should not have been flying, and we got caught in air currents against us. I I thought we're you know, I thought that might be it. And I said to Eduardo in this helicopter, this was a few years ago, I said, if we get out of this, Eduardo, you need to marry that girl and have some babies with her. Did I say that?
Speaker 0: He said that, and he texted her shortly after when we got back in the car. Imagine just get imagine just getting that text. Hey. It's Tucker Carlson. Your your boyfriend nearly lost his life on the helicopter ride.
Since you bring up that trip, actually, I wanna I wanna ask you, because I don't know if you remember this. We were about to board the plane back to the United States.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And you and I got pulled aside. Like, this is, like, right before you just scan your boarding pass, you get on the plane. They went through our stuff. They strip searched us again, and you repeatedly asked why why just us 2 you know, me just because I was with you, obviously, but the lady responded to you, oh, because your ticket says USG. It's a US government check.
Now, you know, I'm not into conspiracy theories, but every for the next 20 or 30 times that I flew, every time I went through the machine, a certain part of my body that, let's just say, no one would like to get touched by TSA agents, set the machine off every single time I got pulled. And I was convinced that it was because I travel. So I was I'm wondering, have you dealt with the same thing? You've done a lot of traveling this year, and you had recently said that you had been, had experienced some issues with the Ukrainian security service. So, like, things like that, what have you, you know, traveling?
How hard have they not just the United States, but I guess, you know, US proxies like Ukraine. How difficult have they made it for?
Speaker 1: I've been hassled in a couple of foreign I mean, I wound up in custody in a foreign country once. But, I, you know, I did have some problems this year, actually. Pretty significant problems that I'm not that interested in talking about because
Speaker 0: I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want more of them.
Speaker 0: But
Speaker 1: Fair. Yeah. Real problems, actually. So but, you know, I don't know. I don't know the full truth.
You never do. But, yes, there's I I will just say this more broadly. It's not about me. It's just in general. Elements of the US government the US government's millions of people, but elements within the government who have really no accountability at all, particularly on the intel side, which is not accountable to anybody.
The intel committees are run by people who are puppets of the intel agencies, so there's no no accountability whatsoever. No oversight. They act through proxies in foreign countries, period. They do the dirty work. Off a 100%.
And this world is crawling with separatist movements and, you know, disgruntled minority groups and armed factions of various kinds by the dozens, if not 100, globally. And a lot of those groups receive funding from the US government through its intel agencies and and DOD, and they act as proxies for elements of the US government. I mean, I've I've personally seen it many times. And they act against US citizens sometimes. That is a fact.
So people are like, oh, the CIA kills people. Well, I don't think CIA employees kill a lot of Americans, but Americans do get killed in foreign countries by foreign elements that are influenced if not at the command of the US government. That's just a fact. Yeah. And I don't care if it sounds conspiracy minded to say it.
I've I've seen it up close. I'll say that. So That's Anyway Chuck. So whatever. But no.
I mean, I've had a completely charmed, happy life. I'm 55.
Speaker 0: I feel great. And Just to be clear, like, never thought about killing
Speaker 1: yourself type thing. Well, I I am anyone who knows me knows I am the least likely Right.
Speaker 0: To
Speaker 1: kill himself. I've had 1 in 55 years, I've had one day of depression. One day. Literally, one day. I didn't know what depression was.
I got COVID. And for one day, Thanksgiving 2020, I felt really down, and which was helpful because I sort of know what people are talking about. You're really depressed, but I've only had one day of that. And I'm completely opposed to killing, period, including self murder, period. There's nothing I, am more upset by than suicide.
So if there's one person on this planet who's not gonna kill himself, it's me.
Speaker 0: Good. Since you mentioned killing, I wanna ask you about this reaction to Luigi Mangione's assassination of the United Healthcare CEO's murder. And, of course, you know, people like AOC were out there saying I I don't defend violence, but there is a sentiment out there that needs to be addressed. It's a great problem.
Speaker 1: AOC does defend violence. In fact, her entire platform is based on violence on war and abortion and euthanasia. So to say that she doesn't defend violence, she is a spokeswoman for violence, for murdering children, murdering innocents in Ukraine around the world. She supports national security state, and she's would, I'm sure, be the first to tell you that dying with dignity is a good thing. The state murdering the elderly.
So don't give me a lecture about violence, honey.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And and I guess I guess what was interesting to me about her comments, so
Speaker 1: and and I'm totally Sorry.
Speaker 0: I just can't even deal with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. People whose religion is violence, their religion they they had an abortion truck outside the DNC. That's not human sacrifice. That's exactly what it is. It's what the Aztecs did.
So these people worship violence. They think that they're empowered by the spilling of human blood. That's true. And I'm just you know, I'll take a lot of lectures from people, including her. I don't hate AOC or anything.
I think she's talented, but I'm definitely not gonna take a lecture on violence from her.
Speaker 0: No. And and the right rightfully ripped her, like, whatever. She's dumb for saying that. But and I I this isn't what she meant. But after I thought about her comments, I sort of thought to myself, okay.
There is a a growing radical group of people in this country who do apparently think it's okay and that it should be celebrated that you kill someone over economic reasons. And I'm I'm just not sure that the responses to those people, at least, or let's say to those who may be listening to that crowd, but they haven't been radicalized yet. I'm not sure the response is, well, actually, you just don't understand health care policy or, like, that's not how it works. And so my concern is is that you're going to see more people radicalize in this country if people who are otherwise moderate. And I'm not talking about those celebrating, you know, what Luigi did.
I'm talking about other people who, let's say, have problems
Speaker 1: with the health care system. I I am radicalized, And I think,
Speaker 0: Like, how do how do we how do we address totally radicalized. Prevent more people from getting
Speaker 1: I will say the one upside of of that tragedy first of all, you cannot allow people to murder strangers they disagree with on principle, period.
Speaker 0: Then everyone's fair game.
Speaker 1: That's terrorism. I also think I'm let me say I'm grateful that we are having some conversation about economics and not race. The race stuff, the race war they've been trying to ferment for 50 years was, by design, an attempt to distract you from the truth, which is they're distorting the US economy in their favor, the ruling cabal that runs this country behind Joe Biden, behind Kamala Harris, these hapless puppets behind Mitch McConnell. They are distorting it to their own benefit, and they're making it impossible for the United States to sustain a middle class and hence a democracy. You can't have a democracy without a majority middle class, I think.
I think it's pretty obvious. So, yeah, anyone who wants to turn this into a society of renters where you don't own a home, you'd a country with people who rent is a volatile crazy country. It's a country that allows banks to charge 22% interest on a credit card. Are you joking? That used to be a federal crime.
Yeah. It was called loan sharking, and lots of mafia people went to jail for it. No one questions it. So I've actually been on this for a long time. I'm the opposite of a socialist.
I don't think we should have a command and control economy. I don't wanna put AOC in charge of the economy. But if you
Speaker 0: wanna prevent that from happening, you can't, you know The first
Speaker 1: thing you have to say is it's immoral to enslave people with debt. It's immoral to make it impa look. The purpose of your society is to allow your children to raise decent children. That's the whole point of society. We all get together collectively to defend our women and children so that women may bear another generation of children who carry on our religion, our culture, our language, our civilization.
That's the whole freaking point. There's no other point. And so anybody who gets in the way of that is an enemy of your civilization, obviously, by definition. Yeah. And I do think that a monopoly system like the one that we have now makes it pretty much impossible for that to happen.
People can't have kids. They can't get married. They can't own anything. And that's, like, the single biggest problem that we face. And debt is what torments people.
You're thinking like I'm very focused on debt and drugs. I think addiction and debt make people's lives miserable. What debt is such a bigger threat to people than Iran. Drugs are such a bigger threat to people than China. The drugs may be coming from China, and our fixation on countries like Iran has put the country in debt.
I mean, they're all connected Yeah. As issues. But if you're to isolate the things that the average, you know, 35 year old guy making a $100 a year, which is above median income, he's doing pretty well. He's, I mean, he's probably what what's the credit card that he's rolling over every month?
Speaker 0: Right. Right.
Speaker 1: And people making $40 a year, like, there's no chance they'll be able to have 5 kids, which a lot of people want. But they can't have them. They can't afford them. So I anyway, I just welcome that debate. I really do.
And the health insurance companies, how can a health insurance CEO be making more than a surgeon? What's their what's their net add to America? Yeah. I mean, I don't even like doctors. I don't go to the doctor.
I don't trust doctors after COVID. I don't go to the doctor. However, I recognize rationally, health care is made possible by physicians. And so they're the ones with the talent, the skills, the healing skills that form the basis of medicine. If they're making less than a mid level health insurance executive, you've got a screwed up system.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And and I think too, like you said about the the people wanting a middle I mean, in order if you don't want socialism, you have to speak and do things for the people who sing No. I know. That's why I wanted to ask you about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've been saying I've been saying this for 10 years. If you don't want socialism, then you have to moderate the system we currently have. Stop calling it market capitalism. It's not.
Speaker 0: People can't feel ignored. People can't
Speaker 1: feel It's it's monopoly capitalism, which is the enemy of market capitalism. It doesn't actually work in the way intended. It's hardly free. It's a cartel, obviously. And if you're defending that, you're just guarantee teeing that you're gonna wind up with Hugo Chavez.
This actually happened. I went to Caracas, Venezuela before Chavez as a kid. I visited Caracas because I'm 55. It was a long time ago, but Caracas was a really nice town. It was actually a rich city.
It was a rich country. It's got the it had the world's own proven oil reserves. And and, you know, now famously, it's impoverished or eating zoo animals and all that stuff. How that happened? How did Hugo Chavez come to power?
In a military coup? No. In an election. Because, you know, 5 or 6 families, classic kind of Latin economic structure, took control the economy and didn't share the wealth. That's just true.
I'm sorry. It happened in Cuba too. You get a fascist like Fidel Castro in the country if you ignore it. So That's what I hate, and I've
Speaker 0: been telling people for years is, like, in order to rational
Speaker 1: in Latin America. So you do
Speaker 0: what In order to rationalize a Hugo Chavez, they have to say, oh, like, it was stolen. Okay. Yeah. Maybe they stole some of the elections afterwards, but the initial thing was always I'm sorry. What what is it?
It's it's, like, so hard for some people in this country to understand that a 1000000 millions of poor people were pissed off. You know what I mean? And, like Hitler
Speaker 1: got elected in Germany in 1933 in a free and fair election because of inflation. And and, you know, ridiculous, onerous war reparations and all this and all this stuff that's really precise. But those conditions in that peace settlement after the First World War crushed the German economy, humiliated the German people, and made it impossible for the middle class to arrive, and they voted for Hitler. Poor people it wasn't poor people who got him elected. It was the middle class who got him elected.
Yeah. And it's hardly an endorsement of Hitler. I mean, it's like
Speaker 0: we we come up with ways in this country to, like, to rationalize.
Speaker 1: It's just so dumb as it's 911, they hate us for our freedoms thing. It's like, no. Cause and effect is real. Like, be rational. Be an adult.
They're mad that we support Israel, and we're in the Saudi peninsula. Those are not reasons to blow up the World Trade Centers. It's not they're not reasons to pull the troops out of the Saudi Peninsula or not support Israel. I mean, we can have that debate. Right.
But don't lie to me and tell me it's because they hate our freedoms.
Speaker 0: Too many women in bikinis.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Exactly. The same people go to Lebanon and Dubai for the week and are mad about bikinis? I don't think they are. So it's not that.
It's their reasons for this. And if you lie about what the reasons are, you're likely to repeat the cycle. And do you want that? And I do think that a lot of people would actually the the defenders of democracy, self described defenders of democracy, are opposed to democracy, and they like a dictatorship. Yeah.
And they're creating the conditions for one right now. I wanna be on the record saying, I don't want a dictatorship. I kind of like democracy. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's slipping away.
Speaker 0: You mentioned Iran. I wanted to get your take on the,
Speaker 1: the That's the I just wanna be clear. The Iran question is the most important question in this country.
Speaker 0: Exact and, actually The important
Speaker 1: thing we can do is go to war with Iran.
Speaker 0: In case you weren't aware, they are super advanced technologically that they have a mother ship off the East Coast that has launched all these drone. They're they're really behind every,
Speaker 1: Such lie. It's just crazy.
Speaker 0: I I just don't know how people believe that. And but, actually, forget Iran for a second. On that actual drone story, I have to confess, when we did the alien stories on Tucker Carlson tonight, I wasn't I wasn't too into those stories mainly because I don't wanna know about these problems that are, like, beyond solving. Like, if the aliens are about to invade, like, forget it. Just Well,
Speaker 1: they're not they're not aliens. They're not alien. They're not alien. They're spiritual beings from here, but whatever. But I agree.
We can't control it. I agree.
Speaker 0: And, you know, in the beginning, people thought this was an alien thing in New Jersey, but it's obviously not. It's the government, again, is is lying to us about what's going on there. So what what do you think
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the
Speaker 0: most plausible theory is that they're running tests. You know, they say for this dirty bomb thing, or they they wanna gauge the public's reaction if drones were needed for some serious reason in the future. What what do you think is is actually happening there?
Speaker 1: It it's interesting. I mean, I I feel like if there's well, my whole job for 35 years has been, like, find out what's going on. And often, I haven't been able to find out what's going on. And, like, we do we ever really know what's going on? Right.
Probably not. I mean, these are, like, metaphysical questions, but but I I think I've got a good track record for roughly finding out what's going on. Like, you miss a lot. Yeah. Maybe it's you know, there's a lot of deception, but, basically, you kinda know what's going on.
Right? I've I've got nowhere on this. It's crazy.
Speaker 0: I think that's a lot of people too.
Speaker 1: It is so That's almost
Speaker 0: why I don't wanna know anyone. It's
Speaker 1: like, alright. Seen anything like this. And I've called I mean, I've called a lot of I mean, I know a lot of people just because I'm it's all I've ever done is, like, do this kind of thing. And I've called people at every level. I talked to, you know, I I talked to a member of congress who I trust.
There aren't many of those, but there are a few I trust. And I talked to one I trust who went into the SCIF with congressional leaders, the Right. You know, the secure area where you can have secure conversations and all that and got a briefing from intel briefers on those drones, and the briefing was effectively identical to the DOD press release. Wow. Wow.
Yeah. Wow. So they're not telling members of congress, which by the way, I think it's unconstitutional. I don't think they I mean, congress doesn't assert its rights. It's a whole separate question, but they should demand it.
Like, we're not funding you until you give me the fucking answer. But excuse me. That's how I feel. But but the point is I called, you know, every sector I called, and I could I got, like, 5 different answers. So here's what I know.
I know that something actually big is happening, and I think we can deduce that. Yeah. I know that the cover up is bipartisan completely. I mean, it's bipartisan. That always makes me uncomfortable.
When both sides are in on something, it's it's not good. And I know that I don't know what it really is, which is just I've never had this experience before.
Speaker 0: Well, that's, reassuring, but hopefully, we'll find out soon. Let me ask you. I think you probably have to run soon, but, you know, over the last few weeks when we were supposed to be, I guess, super concerned with Pete Hegset's past drinking history in the midst of all that, Assad's government's overthrown and, with clear US involvement. Now people can debate how much involvement of ours was in the final days versus, you know, what was obvious over a 10 plus year history. I I found I found it not that anyone cares what I think, but it's really repulsive to know that we're behind something like that and something that's gonna cause the suffering of a lot of Christians, a lot of other religious minorities.
You know, as, I think it was Jake Sullivan who wrote to Hillary Clinton in a WikiLeaks email, Al Qaeda's on our side in Syria. So that you know, we were part of that. I know you just had Jeffrey Sachs on and and talked about it a bit. You know, is there anything Trump can do? I mean, this was obviously done by design too, I should say, right before Trump takes over so he can't do anything about it.
I mean, I I think they were afraid he was gonna solve the war in Ukraine, which would have allowed Russia to then, you know, refocus on Syria. Obviously. Exactly. But, you know, how do you think that this end let's say a year from now. I mean, is is Syria like another Libya?
You know, I I don't want Trump to to do anything to get us involved per se to, like you know? We we don't wanna get involved necessarily, but, like, is you know, is it what's the situation a year from now?
Speaker 1: Makes me so sad. Yeah. It just makes me so sad. I was reading I hate to say this. It sounds so promising, but I actually was reading first Peter last night and and, you know, and it it's in every epistle in in every book of the New Testament.
It's like, you're gonna suffer. There's gonna be persecution of Christians, like, badge of honor. Sign you're doing the right thing. And I and I believe that as a Christian. However, I'm enraged by it, and I'm enraged enraged by Protestant Christian churches.
I am a Protestant Christian, and I believe it. I always will be a and I'm proud to be a Protestant. However, Protestant Christian churches in the United States totally ignoring the murder of Christians in the Middle East. I just can't the oppression of Christians, I can't handle it. It makes me so angry.
And, I don't know why that just triggers me, and maybe it's just me. But, when the church and the nativity got shot up, in the early 2000. I'll never forget it. I was at CNN. I was so mad.
No one's saying anything.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're shooting into the church with on the site where Jesus was born. Really? And American Christians like, no. Really? It's important because Hamas is like, whatever it was at the time.
You are not allowed to use US tax dollars to murder and oppress Christians, period. 67% of this country is Christian. That is outrageous. And until Christian religious leaders say, look, you know, we have may have views on this or that Middle Eastern conflict, but the one thing we're consistent on is you cannot use US tax dollars to murder Christians. They're no threat to anybody, and that's, you know, that's true in Pakistan, that's true in Iraq, and I've met Christians in all these countries.
Pakistan, Iraq, throughout the Levant, You can't do that to Christians, period, until Mike Johnson, who's always telling everybody how Christian he is, until he says that and the people like him say that, it's gonna continue. So so on that level, I'm personally really distressed. I think I have a right to be distressed. But on another, it's like another regime change war. Can I just make one point, like, super autistic obvious point that no one's making?
Syria is not a rock. It's it's on the Mediterranean. It's the Levant. It's in the middle of freaking Europe. It's right across the water from I mean, this is, like, in the heart of everything.
People don't I really think geography plays a massive role in everything, and I'm interested in it. Syria is right there. It's not Libya. It's not Somalia. It's bring your Italy.
Like, are you Yeah. Joking to create chaos there? And, you know, I'm basically against regime change on many levels, practical and ideological, except in extreme cases, but I'm they have to be pretty extreme. But if you're gonna have regime change, then change the freaking regime. Just carve up the country.
Who's in charge? I saw this in Iraq with my own eyes. I was there. You knock off the dictator, that's easy. Driving Assad to Moscow wasn't that hard.
It took 3 days. Killing Saddam was not that hard. What's hard is to rebuild authority, credible authority that can manage a fractious country like Syria or Iraq or any country. They're all fractures. United States is.
It's hard to manage these places. If you're gonna break something, replace it with something better or something. And the fact that we did that again with our allies is I I it's hard to believe that just happened.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just can't even believe it. And the last thing I'll say is, tell me now that he's gone and in Moscow and in disgrace and shame and has lost his country, why was I supposed to hate Assad again? Right. Why I supposed to have any feeling whatsoever for Assad, which I never did? Seemed like a fine guy to me.
Oh, he's a murderer as compared to whom?
Speaker 0: And, also, like, civil wars don't that's the other thing that I found gross about the reporting after, you know, he fled the country, whatever. Like, CNN, every every outlet was saying, oh, who butchered it or, like, heinous crimes, but they don't even actually bother in the reporting to list them. And so I'm not defending Assad. I'm sure he's done some bad things like everybody else did say, but, like, if it's so clear and obvious, like, just list them in your article.
Speaker 1: Like, it's a This is a product of grand strategy. These were decisions made at a level, you know, in some ways above government. But wherever it was made, the decision was made under the Obama administration that Assad must go. So they're like, okay. Assad must go because they've got a whole plan for the region or whatever, which may or may not be valid.
But for the US media just to adopt a political strategy as, like, a moral imperative, like now, one minute, Assad's wife is on the cover of Vogue. The next minute, you have to hate her as a war criminal because Hillary Clinton decides that, you know, Israel wants the area above Golan or whatever the goal was, or we want the oil, or we wanna help the Kurds, or whatever the imperatives were. And then the media, like, adopts that as some sort of, like, more like, it's a moral crime to disagree? Are you joking? These are all regime outlets.
I mean, actual regime outlets. Like, the New York Times is filled with people who are doing the bidding of the CIA. That's true. Yeah. Yeah.
It I I had a yeah. Whatever. I could tell you so many stories. Well, that actually true. I'll just tell you that.
Speaker 0: Let me ask you because the same response to the sorry. What happened? Oh, we gotta wrap it up? Alright. One more question just on the Jeffrey Sachs interview.
I saw a lot and not that you wanna take time to respond to your critics, but I I it bothers me because it's not just you that they do this to. It's like everyone. There was a reaction to because you had someone who aired a critical view of another country, Israel, you know, you get attacked as, you know, as if you have some obligation to not have people with certain viewpoints, or you must only have people with the opposite viewpoints, which is that of pro Israel. Why why is there and this is probably gonna get us me in trouble, whatever. But why is there is this instinctual, reflexive reaction that, like, to another country, largely again to people you know, if we're all American, like, who cares what Jeffrey Sachs or whomever's view is on on any foreign country?
And why is it you, Tucker Carlson's, responsibility to to defend? I I just I really, at a basic level, don't understand that.
Speaker 1: I I don't either, and I'm not defensive about it because I don't have any weird unstated motives at all. Yeah. I bear no animus toward any country in the specific case of Israel. I kinda like Israel. I've taken my family there on vacation, and I can sincerely say Jerusalem is probably my favorite city in the world.
Oh, it is, of course, my favorite city. There's no more amazing place in Jerusalem. I'd like to live there. Hardly against Israel, but I'm an American, so I see things through the lens of my own country where my children were born and still live, and I hope my grandchildren will live and their children. My family's been here for, like, 400 years.
So, like, I think I have a right to say that. Yeah. And I care about America, and I care about 2 things. I care about free speech in the United States. And if an alliance with another country is gonna be a justification for taking away my birth rate, which is the first amendment, I'll fight that because I'm an American.
And if any alliance with any country, including Great Britain where my ancestors came from, by the way, which is a I'll just say it. I don't like Great Britain at all. Yeah. Okay? In fact, I think I like Israel.
I don't like Great Britain, but whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm an American. And when the interest of a foreign country, contradicts the interest of my country, I'm taking my country's side. So that's it.
Speaker 0: I I just I just don't I
Speaker 1: don't really care. Like, this theory, it's like, if you burn an American flag, nobody cares. But if you were to born burn the flag of certain foreign countries, you'd like to
Speaker 0: make a decision. Foreign countries' flags in the halls of like, members of congress have it hanging up there. Like, what if you hung the flag of Germany in your in your congressional office or, like, France? Syria. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I kind of think the US Congress should serve the interest of the people it was hired to serve. Constitutionally, it's required to serve. So but, again, I'm not defensive about it because I'm not sending dog whistles or whatever.
If I think something, I'll just say it. Right. And I don't think that my view I think my well, you've worked for me, so you know. I mean, I I personally think my views are completely moderate. I don't want to control or hurt anybody.
I don't wanna even really impose my views on people that much at all. I don't have aspirations for power. Trump just got elected. I campaigned for Trump. Probably could've talked my way into some position.
I don't want 1. Right. It's not about the money. I just anyway, I don't think I have weird motives. I have a clean conscience on this.
And I do think if I'm being I'll just say it. I think October 7th made, understandably, a lot of people extremely sensitive and extremely paranoid. And I get it. I totally sympathize with that. And so there is a temptation.
I've had conversation about this today about the Jeff Sachs interview. Friends of mine was like, I can't believe you platformed it, whatever. An anti Semite, really? His I think his family lives in Israel. He's an anti Semite.
Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You know, calm down. And I think it's the the anti Israel protest on campus in October 7th made people feel very touchy.
I get it. But in my specific case, I've made the same, I think, relatively coherent argument for Right. Since the Iraq war. The United States ought to act in its own interests. I'm a nationalist in a nonthreatening way.
I think the US government should act on behalf of US citizens. That's how I feel.
Speaker 0: Well and I think what's gross is that they have to assert that there's somewhat like like what you said, it it can't just be what you're saying out loud. That's not a good enough reason. They have to impugn some They
Speaker 1: always seem to be negative and all this stuff, and I heard that. I got all these texts about Jeff Sachs. Now I happen to know Jeff Sachs and and like him enormously for his decency and his knowledge and his he's just a moderate temperament. We don't agree. He's a liberal.
I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but in foreign policy, I really do. And I think that his motives are pure. And and if they're not, tell me how they're not. But I'm actually not even that interested in motives. I'm interested in his analysis.
Speaker 0: Exactly. You're just you're lying to me.
Speaker 1: Text today from friends and people I like, actually. You know, well, he's this and that. He's a liberal, and he's secretly working for the CCP. And I was like, it didn't even make any sense. They're just trying to, like, attack the guy.
And I said, okay. If you can show me any of that, I guess. I'm sort of interested. But, like, let's talk about what he said on TV, which, by the way, I interviewed him. I I wasn't making an ad with him.
Yeah. What? And last thing I'll say, it's pretty crazy for self described conservatives who share, like, basically, none of the values that that I have, but whatever. I don't know how we're on the same team. But to to say that you're not allowed to talk to someone who they disagree with Right.
How is that different from, like, Kamala Harris or AOC? Right. I just reject that. I I think I'm the liberal. I think you should be able to talk to anybody you want, and you're responsible for what you say and do, not what others say and do.
You can't be, like, bounce from your job for being friends with someone or talking to someone. I have I have, like, actual friends who've committed murder. I know a lot of random people. I've been in in journalism for 35 years. I know a lot of people.
Don King, who I love, killed 2 people. I mean, I'm not endorsing the murder. I just like Don King. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Like, the whole thing is nuts, and I'm not gonna play along. Yeah. And I don't feel like I have to.
Speaker 0: Well, last thing I'll say, I just I said to these guys before at a base level. I don't know why on that subject, it can't just be, okay. Like, I I really don't care what Israel does, but, you know, we're 30 some $1,000,000,000,000 in debt. We have to borrow money for the things we do. Like, why why are they above borrowing money for their conflicts?
That's the like, at the most basic level,
Speaker 1: that's what every country gets to make its own decisions based on its own interests and then pay for those decisions, and you act within your means. Like, I don't know. I guess I would like a super yacht, but I can't afford 1. Right. So I I'm not trying to force someone else to buy me one.
I have to get along with my neighbors because they live next door. I don't have the money to buy their houses and evict them, so I have to make certain accommodations. Like, they don't like my dogs barking. I gotta tell my dogs to shut up. Like, I don't know.
This is what it is to live with people, and everyone goes through this. And I feel sorry. I definitely feel sorry for for Israel. I mean, I feel like they're they are surrounded by people who hate them, but that's kind of what it is. That's what life is.
Yeah. And it's not unique to that country or that region. Everybody deals with this. Congo and Burundi deal with this. We deal with this with Mexico, which is effectively our enemy.
They're letting fentanyl and Yeah. Migrants come through. Like, this is what life is. Yeah. And I'm not gonna be defensive or mad about it.
I'm gonna laugh at people on the right who are like, I don't have the right to talk to somebody. Oh, shut up. That's good advice. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Tucker, I've I've kept you longer than No.
Speaker 1: Eduardo, I love seeing you. Thank you.
Speaker 0: Thanks so much for this. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks, man.
Speaker 1: It's it's can I just say one thing?
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I addressed the backlash from my interview with Jeffrey Sachs and his views on Israel. I believe that if any alliance threatens my First Amendment rights, I will stand against it. It's interesting how burning an American flag is overlooked, while burning flags of certain countries could lead to jail time.
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Tucker responds to the backlash over his interview with Jeffrey Sachs, and Sachs’ criticisms of Israel. “If an alliance with any country is going to be a justification for taking away my birthright, which is the First Amendment, I’ll fight that.” “If you burn an American flag, nobody cares. But if you were to burn the flag of certain foreign countries, you’d probably go to jail.”
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The reaction to Jeffrey Sachs' critical views on Israel raises questions about why there's pressure to conform to pro-Israel sentiments. There's a belief that discussing foreign countries should not be met with hostility, especially when prioritizing American interests. The focus should be on free speech and analyzing viewpoints without attributing hidden motives. Engaging with diverse opinions, even from those with differing beliefs, is essential. The discussion emphasizes that every country must act within its means and make decisions based on its interests. Life involves navigating complex relationships, and it's crucial to maintain open dialogue rather than succumb to divisive pressures.
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Speaker 0: Just on the Jeffrey Sachs interview, I saw a lot and not that you wanna take time to respond to your critics, but I I it bothers me because it's not just you that they do this to. It's like everyone. There was a reaction to because you had someone who aired a critical view of another country, Israel, you know, you get attacked as, you know, as if you have some obligation to not have people with certain viewpoints, or you must only have people with the opposite viewpoints, which is that of pro Israel. Why why is there and this is probably gonna get us me in trouble, whatever. But why is there is this instinctual, reflexive reaction that, like, to another country, largely again to people you know, if we're all American, like, who cares what Jeffrey Sachs or whomever's view is on on any foreign country?
And why is it you Tucker Carlson's responsibility to to defend? I I just I really, at a basic level, don't understand that.
Speaker 1: I I don't either, and I'm not defensive about it because I don't have any weird unstated motives at all. Yeah. I bear no animus toward any country in the specific case of Israel. I kinda like Israel. I've taken my family there on vacation, and I can sincerely say Jerusalem is probably my favorite city in the world.
It is, of course, my favorite city. There's no more amazing place in Jerusalem. I'd like to live there. Hardly against Israel, but I'm an American, so I see things through the lens of my own country where my children were born and still live, and I hope my grandchildren will live and their children. My family's been here for, like, 400 years.
So, like, I think I have a right to say that. Yeah. And I care about America, and I care about 2 things. I care about free speech in the United States. And if an alliance with another country is gonna be justification for taking away my birth rate, which is the first amendment, I'll fight that because I'm an American.
And if any alliance with any country, including Great Britain where my ancestors came from, by the way, which is a I'll just say it. I don't like Great Britain at all.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay? In fact, I think I like Israel. I want a great Britain, but whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm an American.
And when the interest of a foreign country contradicts the interest of my country, I'm taking my country's side. So that's it. I I just I just don't I don't really care, like, this theory. It's like, if you burn an American flag, nobody cares, but if you were to born burn the flag foreign countries, you'd like to
Speaker 0: have a share. Foreign countries' flags in the halls of like, members of congress have it hanging up there. Like, what if you hung the flag of Germany in your in your congressional office or, like, France? Syria. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I kind of think the US Congress should serve the industry of the people it was hired to serve, constitutionally it's required to serve. So but, again, I'm not defensive about it because I'm not sending dog whistles or whatever. If I think something, I'll just say it. Right.
And I don't think that my view I think my well, you've worked for me, so you know. I mean, I I personally think my views are completely moderate. I don't want to control or hurt anybody. I don't wanna even really impose my views on people that much at all. I don't have aspirations for power.
Trump just got elected. I campaigned for Trump. Probably could've talked my way to some position. I don't want one. Right.
It's not about the money. I just anyway, I don't think I have weird motives. I have a clean conscience on this. And I do think if I'm being I'll just say it. I think October 7th made, understandably, a lot of people extremely sensitive and extremely paranoid.
And I get it. I totally sympathize with that. And so there is a temptation. I've had conversation about this today about the Jeff Sachs interview. Friends of mine was like, I can't believe you platformed it, whatever.
An anti semite, really? His I think his family lives in Israel. He's an anti semite. Whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, calm down. And I think it's the the anti Israel protest on campus in October 7th made people feel very touchy. I get it. But in my specific case, I've made the same, I think, relatively coherent argument for Right.
Since the Iraq war, the United States ought to act in its own interests. I'm a nationalist in a nonthreatening way. I think the US government should act on behalf of US citizens. That's how I feel.
Speaker 0: Well and I think what's gross is that they have to assert that there's somewhat like like what you said, it it can't just be what you're saying out loud. That's not a good enough reason. They have to impugn some It always seems secretive
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and I heard that. I got all these texts about Jeff Sachs. Now I happen to know Jeff Sachs and and like him enormously for his decency and his knowledge and his he's just a moderate temperament. We don't agree. He's a liberal.
I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but in foreign policy, I really do. And I think that his motives are pure. And and if they're not, tell me how they're not. But I'm actually not even that interested in motives. I'm interested in his analysis.
Speaker 0: Exactly. You should just you're
Speaker 1: one of the text today from friends and people I like, actually. You know, well, he's this and that. He's a liberal, and he's secretly working for the CCP. And it's like, it didn't even make any sense. They're just trying to, like, attack the guy.
And I said, okay. If you can show me any of that, I guess. I'm sort of interested. But, like, let's talk about what he said on TV, which, by the way, I interviewed him. I I wasn't making an ad with him.
Yeah. What? And last thing I'll say, it's pretty crazy for self described conservatives who share, like, basically, none of the values that that I have, but whatever. I don't know how we're on the same team. But to to say that you're not allowed to talk to someone who they disagree with Right.
How is that different from, like, Kamala Harris or AOC? Right. I just reject that. I I think I'm the liberal. I think you should really talk to anybody you want, and you're responsible for what you say and do, not what others say and do.
You can't be, like, bounce from your job for being friends with someone or talking to someone. I have I have, like, actual friends who've committed murder. I know a lot of random people. I've been in journalism for 35 years. I know a lot of people.
Don King, who I love, killed 2 people. I mean, I'm not endorsing the murder. I just like Don King. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Like, the whole thing is nuts, and I'm not gonna play along. Yeah. And I don't feel like I have to.
Speaker 0: Well, last thing I'll say, I just I said to these guys before at a base level. I don't know why on that subject, it can't just be okay. Like, I I really don't care what Israel does, but, you know, we're 30 some $1,000,000,000,000 in debt. We have to borrow money for the things we do. Like, why
Speaker 1: why are they
Speaker 0: above borrowing money for their conflicts? That's the that at the most basic level,
Speaker 1: that's what every country gets to make its own decisions based on its own interests and then pay for those decisions, and you act within your means. Like, I don't know. I guess I would like a super yacht, but I can't afford 1. Right. So I I'm not trying to force someone else to buy me one.
I have to get along with my neighbors because they live next door. I don't have the money to buy their houses and evict them, so I have to make certain accommodations. Like, they don't like my dogs barking. I gotta tell my dogs to shut up. Like, I don't know.
This is what it is to live with people, and everyone goes through this, and I feel sorry. I definitely feel sorry for for Israel. I mean, I feel like they're they are surrounded by people who hate them, but that's kind of what it is. That's what life is. Yeah.
And it's not unique to that country or that region. Everybody deals with this. Congo and Burundi deal with this. We deal with this with Mexico, which is effectively our enemy. They're letting fentanyl and Yeah.
Migrants come through, like, this is what life is. Yeah. And I'm not gonna be defensive or mad about it. I'm gonna laugh at people on the right who are like, I don't have the right to talk to somebody. Oh, shut up.
That's a good advice. Yeah.