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In this Joe Rogan podcast episode, Elon Musk covers a wide range of topics. He discusses the challenges of manufacturing the Tesla Cybertruck and the importance of factories in creating jobs. Musk emphasizes the difficulty of making a car affordable while maintaining high production rates. He also talks about the durability of the Cybertruck, including its bulletproof body and optional bulletproof glass. The conversation touches on the limitations of solar power for cars and the misconception around radiation. Musk also expresses concerns about the negative impact of extreme environmentalism and the potential dangers of AI programmed by extremists. The video also includes discussions on radiation, COVID-19, social media censorship, and nitrogen in fertilizer. The speakers express skepticism about the fear of radiation and question the effectiveness of masks. They criticize social media platforms for suppressing certain viewpoints and highlight the importance of free speech. The impact of COVID-19 lockdowns, pharmaceutical advertising, and challenges of space exploration are also mentioned. The possibility of terraforming Mars and the fragility of civilization are briefly discussed. The video concludes with conversations about social media platforms, self-esteem issues caused by Instagram, suspicious actions of certain individuals, NFTs, Hunter Biden's paintings, and the theory of the Modern art movement being a CIA psyop.
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Speaker 0: Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's like looking in
Speaker 1: the mirror.
Speaker 0: Have you seen that before? Did people get you one of those? Yeah. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: He's awesome. He's pretty edgy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He's it's amazing that he puts out a piece of art per day, 365 days a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was following him on the X platform, FKA Twitter. But it was something that was too jarring.
Speaker 0: Too jarring, some of the images? Yeah. Cheers, sir. Cheers. Happy Halloween.
Cheers. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it. Welcome. Thanks for rolling up in this hybrid truck too.
Yeah. I got got a chance to look at it in the factory, but that was, almost, was that, like, a year and a half ago or so? Was it? It was a while ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A year ago, I guess.
Speaker 0: Yeah. At least a year.
Speaker 1: At least a year.
Speaker 0: And it's it's different in real life. Like, you see it in person. Like, you see, images are are just we were talking about it outside. You just can't contextualize them. Yes.
It looks so odd So you have to see it in the flesh.
Speaker 1: It looks like, computer graphics in reality.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's the coolest looking fucking production car that's ever been made.
Speaker 1: It's Bulletproof, literally.
Speaker 0: Literally? Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the videos we're gonna show is, just going all like, for Al Capone. Just like if the phone showed up and and emptied, you know, the entire magazine of a Tommy gun into the side of the car, you'd be okay.
Speaker 0: The only thing that's not bulletproof is The glass.
Speaker 1: The glass is, optionally bulletproof.
Speaker 0: Oh, it is optional? If you
Speaker 1: want it, you can well, you can make anything bulletproof if you want. But, the glass has to be very thick for it to be bulletproof, so it can't go up and down. So if you want fixed glass
Speaker 0: Oh. Then how do you order drive thru?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's a problem. You gotta pull ahead and open the door and get out.
Speaker 1: But it's okay. You can just duck.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You can just duck. How far away are you from Full, like, delivering of people. Have has anybody gotten them yet?
Speaker 1: We planted our 1st deliveries, next month. Oh, wow.
Speaker 0: So now it's just testing and fucking around.
Speaker 1: The hard part by far is manufacturing, not not Designing the the car. So, and and there's just not really a movie about that, but there should be. So In the sort of the, you know, the movies were always to be about the sort of inventor who invented the car, and then the job is done. Right. That's all invented the object.
Now the job is done. This is not true. That's the easy part. The the hard part is manufacturing by far.
Speaker 0: Why is it so much harder than making an individual model?
Speaker 1: Well, the the in in order to make it affordable, you have to make it at at volume. So you've gotta make everything, At at high rate, consistently, if if you if you tour the the production line, you'd have a sense for it. You've gotta have all of the casting machines, all of the stabbing machines as the case may be, the glass machines, the the wheels, the tires, everything required from the motor that the battery cells, all of the constituents of the battery cells, All of the silicon that goes in there with the chips, it is the manufacturing is, somewhere between a 100 and a 1000 times harder than making a prototype. Woah. And then if you wanna say, like, you wanna get from, once you reach volume manufacturing, which is insanely difficult, Then you wanna make the car affordable.
It's harder to, say, reduce the the, cost of the car by 20% than it is to get to volume production 1st place. So I really cannot emphasize enough, how hard production is relative to Design. I'm not saying your design is trivial because you have to have taste and you have to know what to make. If you don't have taste and judgment, then your prototype will be bad. But it is, it is trivial really to churn out prototypes, And it is extremely difficult to to build a factory.
Speaker 0: And how much more difficult is it to make this, considering the body's made out of steel? It's
Speaker 1: Very difficult. The the difficulty of manufacturing is proportionate to the amount of new technology that you have in a car And or in the product. In this case, there's a lot of new technology. The production line will move as fast as the slowest and least lucky, and most bullish, part of the entire production line. And you could say, to first approximation, there are 10,000 things that have to go right, at least, for production to work.
So if you have 9,999 things that are working, and one that isn't, That sets the production rate.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're quite far the hardware. In fact, the Really, the the amazing thing about automobiles was not so much the invention of the automobile, but the the invention of the factory, The mass manufacturing. And for that, Henry Ford deserves a tremendous amount of credit. He was a next level genius. And in fact, Ford is really responsible for the entire mass manufacturing industry, because, he he actually found a Cadillac, which was the the heart of General Motors, Then he got kicked out, then started Ford.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then everyone everyone just copied him.
Speaker 0: Do you know he made one of his first cars out of hemp? Well, he used hemp fiber for the panels.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's, this fascinating video of him banging on it with a hammer. Because hemp is, bizarrely durable when it's, compressed and when they take the fibers. And I I don't know what kind of epoxy they use or something to put it all together. But, what what it makes with the the actual physical form of it is insanely light.
Yeah. Like fiberglass light, but very, very durable. See if you find that video. It's kinda crazy. Henry Ford is banging on, on the hood of it Okay.
With a hammer. Here it is. So this was like look at that.
Speaker 1: That crazy? It does well.
Speaker 0: I don't know why they stopped making them out of that. That That was from 1941. How much does the Cybertruck weigh?
Speaker 1: Depends on configuration, but it's about, I don't know. £7,000. Woah. 6 there's different versions, but 6, 6, £7,000. And it's it's, like, similar to, Like, it's a heavy truck.
Speaker 0: Like a Ford F250 or something like that? Yeah. And it Because of, all of the the the metal and the weight and everything like that, but with the engines that you have, It's still the 0 to 60 is pretty bizarre. Right? It's like 35 or something like that?
Speaker 1: We're aiming to get the 0 to 60 below 3 seconds.
Speaker 0: Below 3?
Speaker 1: Yes. Wow. For the, you know, the beast mode version. So we got a beast mode version that's, So there's there's there's well, I don't wanna give it all away right now, but, there are there are 3 Demonstrations. One of them people are aware of, which is, you know, emptying a Tommy gun into the side of the car, A shotgun 45 and a 9 mil, and no penetrations.
Wow. And that's that come it comes that way from the factory.
Speaker 0: Can I try it with an arrow?
Speaker 1: Sure. It'll be fine.
Speaker 0: You think so?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I bet I can get a crossbow might
Speaker 0: I have a 90 pound compound bow That shoots 520 grain arrows at 300 feet per second with a I think an hour Razor sharp broadhead.
Speaker 1: We can try it right now if you want.
Speaker 0: I wish I had it with me.
Speaker 1: I don't Is it at your house or something? Yeah. Should we send someone to go get it? We could do the demo tonight.
Speaker 0: That would be interesting. I'll
Speaker 1: well, maybe I'll drive back with an arrow sticking out of my car.
Speaker 0: I bet I can get in there. Okay. I'll bet you can't. Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet your dollar.
Speaker 0: Damn. I'd like to I think I think
Speaker 1: if if you have a A crossbow that's with with enough force, you might a crossover might
Speaker 0: get through.
Speaker 1: Is the
Speaker 0: bolt, even though it's very fast, it's not gonna be nearly as heavy. You you won't have a speed of brains.
Speaker 1: You you can make a a heavy crossbow bolt.
Speaker 0: You could. Yeah. But generally, crossbow bolts are considerably lighter. They're much smaller, you know, and they they they're much faster. They're they're moving at, like, 400, 500 feet per second.
Speaker 1: Easy. Yeah. I mean, the the thing that matters is kind of the energy per unit area. So, So interesting, like like a like a 9 mil or 45, which is basically sort of a 10 mil, the the the 45 is They're roughly the same, but the the 45 actually is slightly worse penetration than a 9 mil.
Speaker 0: You know what I just realized? I do have some broadheads. I do have some broad heads, and I have a less powerful bow, but I have an 80 pound bow. Got it. Yeah.
I think we should do it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay.
Speaker 0: Well, you wanna do it right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can do it right now.
Speaker 0: Let's do it right now.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay. Let's do it.
Speaker 0: Sick. We're right back. This could
Speaker 1: be funny. Well, just like, why does he have an arrow sticking out of his
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Speaker 1: I mean, just we wear ricochets.
Speaker 2: You
Speaker 0: know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Flatten tip of the arrow. Look at the tip of the broadhead.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna do it. I'm sorry. That's impressive. Hey, cutie.
Speaker 0: Thank you. Well, now we know. So, we, just shot an arrow into it and it it barely scratched it. Barely scratched it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: It was probably moving 270 Five feet a second. That was a 525 grain ish arrow with, Yeah. Even more than that because it had the a 125 grain head, so that was 545 grains. That's impressive. Yeah.
Very impressive. It just destroyed the Broadhead. Broadhead flattened at the tip, and then the arrow blew apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, like I said, you could, we have a a cool video we'll show at the Hanover event next month, which is Emptying an entire magazine of a Tommy gun,
Speaker 0: which I
Speaker 1: think is, like, on the order of 50 rounds. Just go you're just going full Al Capone, You know, like, out on the side of the car, shotgun, 9 mil, 45.
Speaker 0: And you built it like this just for fun. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean,
Speaker 0: Is it cooler? I mean because you can?
Speaker 1: You know, trucks are supposed to be tough. Right? Yeah. So is your truck bulletproof?
Speaker 0: No. Mine's mine's definitely not.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 0: And if I shot mine with my my bow, it'd go right through it. Yeah. 100%. So
Speaker 1: if if you if you shoot any normal car, unlike in the movies Where people hide behind car doors. A car door is basically, very thin mild steel. So, if you If you shoot a gun at it through through, like, a regular truck, it'll go out it'll go through both doors. So It's you can't hide behind a car door like they do in the movies. Mhmm.
You know, in the back way back in the day dating myself, but the the a team where they would, like, You know, there'd be, like, bullets flying everywhere, and they'd be hiding behind the car door.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work. But it does in a Cybertruck.
Speaker 0: Was there ever any
Speaker 1: Oh, is this best in apocalyptic technology?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, it Oh, you
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's
Speaker 0: It's an amazing car to have an apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Doesn't it also just does it still do this thing where the the ride height raises? Yeah. And so you can and there's also no regular drive So there's no axles that Correct. Are the, impediment to going over rocks and things like that.
Speaker 1: Normally, in a in a in in other vehicles, In casting a diesel vehicle, so you've got the, differential, which, hangs down low between the, the rear wheels. So you, like, look under a car under a truck, it's There's almost always a differential there that's hanging down pretty low. So if you hit the diff on a on a rock, you'll break it. Yeah. But there's no there's there's no, The the bottom of the sub truck is completely flat and has the the best clear height of any any vehicle.
Speaker 0: How far away are we, if it's ever gonna happen at all, From having a vehicle that can operate entirely on solar.
Speaker 1: Well, you've got a subsidiary thing. So it's about a kilowatt per square meter, normal to the sun, roughly. So you just it really depends on what kind of mileage. You you you can't, you don't have enough surface area to keep the car going just from the car surface area. If you had, like, a something that that folded out, you you could, you could make it self sustaining.
Speaker 0: Something that folded out so, like, you could park it And then leave it
Speaker 1: on. Yeah. You'd have to, like, unfold like like the Starling satellites do where you unfold the the solar panels. You know, just just need more surface area. You need,
Speaker 0: Is there any potential potential for an advancement in technology that would make a smaller area much Better at conducting sun? Nothing?
Speaker 1: No. It's it's a kilowatt per square meter. That that's what you're gonna get when the sun if you're if you're No one's the sun, so 90 degrees to the sun.
Speaker 0: And there's nothing that can accelerate that or no
Speaker 1: That's just literally the the soul energy. That's just shit. Yeah. So then you then you multiply your efficiency by that, so if your Commercial panels, like, maybe 25% efficient if
Speaker 0: they're a good one. So you get, like, 250, watts per square meter. There was 1 car.
Speaker 1: Roughly 10 feet.
Speaker 0: What was it, like, a Fisker that was using a solar panel that, claimed that it was operating like the the electronics, like it could Start the radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you you
Speaker 0: you can definitely you just it's just just don't have enough
Speaker 1: service area for for it, but, like, But you you you can, like, certainly, you could run a house with solar With the with the solar roof, in a Tesla solar roof, you can run a house.
Speaker 0: But it's never gonna get to a point where you can just have a car that's made out of solar panels so they could drive It could never be that efficient.
Speaker 1: Correct. So you do not have enough source area.
Speaker 0: What what research or what what breakthroughs have been made in terms of, battery technology. Like, how far away are we from having batteries that are far more efficient and last far longer? I know there's some talk of, like, sodium based batteries.
Speaker 1: The batteries battery range is, not a problem at this point. I mean, the The Model S will go 400 miles. Model Model 3 Model Model Y will do over 300 miles. So, You know, that's that's that's more than most people need. So yeah.
Right.
Speaker 0: But are we, I mean, how far away are we from making batteries that are more efficient? This is like, we obviously have at least
Speaker 1: This is not all we're saying is this is not really a constraint. The point at which you've got a car that can do, let's say, even At high at highway speeds, turn 50 miles, then, or let's say turn 40 miles, at 80 miles an hour. They're driving for 3 hours straight. And so if you start a trip at, say, 9 AM, by noon, you wanna stop for lunch, Go to the restroom, grab a coffee. By the time you come back, your car is charged.
Speaker 0: How long does it take to fully charge?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, To have an hour? Well, you you don't wanna it's a little the people will get used to it because it's a little different. You know, Like, for a gasoline car, you'd you'd wanna fill it up. For an electric car, you'd you'd wanna actually go very close to 0, And the car can calculate how much range it has with precision.
So if you if you pull up say, enter a road trip in in a Tesla, it'll it'll calculate, all All of the supercharges along the way, where you where you stop, how much you should charge, and just just let the computer do its thing and it'll it'll it'll work well. So you actually wanna, charge to about 80%, and then run it down all the way to 10%, I'd say, or less.
Speaker 0: Do do you wanna do that on everyday use as well or just with long trips?
Speaker 1: No. Just long trips. If you try to minimize the amount of time, you you stop When charging. So let's say you wanna, you know, stop for 20, 30 minutes, then, You you really it's it's a little counterintuitive because for a gasoline car, you would fill it up. For for a battery, The the charge state tapers off as you get above 80%.
You can think of it like the it's I think the right analogy here is Cars in a in a parking lot. So the the lithium ions are trying to find a parking space, as they as they move across, you know, from one side of the batteries to the outside, from, you know, cath cathode anode. I mean, they're they're sort of just these ions that are just bouncing around looking for a parking space. So when the parking lot's empty, it's they could just zip right in there and find a spot. It's easy.
As the parking lot gets full, just like trying to find a parking space at a mall, You have to hunt around for a spot. And that's that's how that's basically what's going on is the the ION's looking for a parking spot. So as the battery gets closer to full, it's harder and harder to find a find a spot. They have to bounce around more.
Speaker 0: So it takes longer to get from 80 to a100.
Speaker 1: Correct. Getting from 80 to a100, yeah, takes about as much time as getting from 0 to 80. Oh. Just think of, like, the island's gotta find a parking spot. Oh.
And just like if you're in a mall and you're like and it's busy, Then, it takes longer to find a parking spot than if it's empty.
Speaker 0: So you're essentially, you're satisfied with the the technologies available right now in terms of, like, the amount of mileage that you get out of it and things along those lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Range is not an issue. Cost is is more of an issue. So it's you need to make the car affordable. A long range car needs to be affordable.
Speaker 0: When you fully roll out, how many of those things how many Cybertrucks can you guys make a month?
Speaker 1: We're aiming to make about,
Speaker 0: 200,000 a year at volume production.
Speaker 1: Wow. Maybe a little more. But, I I just can't emphasize enough that manufacturing is much much harder than, the initial design. You know, you you can not that the Cybertruck was easy to design. I'm not trying to trivialize design.
It's just, what I'm trying to do is to emphasize the difficulty of manufacturing, Which is not, understood by the public. Mhmm. Because there's no movie about it. So there's lots of movies about The the sort of wild inventor in the garage, but the I'm not aware of any movie about Manufacturing. Have you ever heard of a movie of may about manufacturing?
Speaker 0: I can't remember any. Jamie, any movie about manufacturing? Coming to my brain, but I think I I
Speaker 2: don't think that's it's even about, so I have no idea.
Speaker 0: What is that? The Michael Keaton was making some cars in somewhere. I I'd had to I was gonna look it up on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Tommy Boy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The only one. That's about
Speaker 1: a great movie.
Speaker 0: It's a great movie. Yeah. That might be the only one. That's interesting that it's such an immense part of, American culture and also the decline of some American cities. I mean, it's famously, documented in Roger and Me.
It's a great documentary where he just talks about how Flint got destroyed when they pulled out the car manufacturing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a reason why, Generally, politicians are really try very hard to get a factory in their area is because it's a massive generator of jobs. And for every factory job, there's like 5, Roughly 5, support jobs. You know, so it's like, teachers, electricians, plumbers, lawyers, Accountants.
Restaurants. So there's so so manufacturing is kind of like And a a nucleus from which many jobs spring. That's why it's, generally, you know, governors and Prime ministers and presidents will try so hard to get a factory in their, country or region.
Speaker 0: When you decided to build the Gigafactory, And when you decided what would just even when you decided to get involved with Tesla, did you have any idea of how difficult this would be? Did you have a preconceived notion
Speaker 1: That was I thought it would be very difficult. I I thought our probability of success was less than 10%. Woah. Yeah. I mean, it it would be foolish to think anything else Other than that, I mean, the even at this point, the the only car companies that have not gone bankrupt are Ford and Tesla, American car companies.
You know, General Motors went bankrupt and Chrysler went bankrupt in 2009. There's some chance they'll go bankrupt again. Ford and Tesla barely made it. It was incredibly difficult to keep Tesla alive when General Motors and Chrysler were going bankrupt. So, because manufacturing is the actual hard thing, not that by far the hard thing.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. I I
Speaker 1: just can't upsize that enough, and I I hope somebody makes a movie about that.
Speaker 0: Maybe they should make a movie about Tesla.
Speaker 1: Sure. Why not? Yeah. Perfect.
Speaker 0: Who'd you want to play you?
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 0: How about David Spade?
Speaker 1: Anyone. No. I'm kidding. I don't care if anyone plays me. I I but I do think that
Speaker 0: this I just went back to Tommy Boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know he rocks. So, You know, Jim Jim Farley is the, you know, CEO of Ford, and he's Chris Farley's cousin.
Speaker 0: No way.
Speaker 1: Yes. Wow. That's crazy.
Speaker 0: Yes. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: And they looks I mean, they look related.
Speaker 0: Yeah. There, there should be a a movie. Yeah. I just you gotta get someone good that doesn't fuck it up. Someone who doesn't Well, I I mean, the thing is
Speaker 1: that writers are just Disconnected from manufacturing. They just never see it. So Right. And I guess You have to try to create some narrative arc.
Speaker 0: I
Speaker 1: mean, there are some shows like How It's Made type of thing, They're pretty niche. The but I I know about some of a broken record here, but I can't emphasize enough That it is insanely difficult to manufacture.
Speaker 0: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Well, it particularly makes sense when it's something that novel. Something is, But ultimately, cool as fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: What has it been like, you've you've owned X for a year now.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: Did do you did you ever wake up in the middle of the night and have a dream that you didn't do it? And your life is infinitely easier?
Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly, a recipe for trouble, I suppose, or contention.
Speaker 0: What was it ultimately that led you to make the decision to do it?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna sound, somewhat melodramatic, but I was worried about that that it was Having a corrosive effect on civilization, that it was, just having a bad a bad impact.
Speaker 0: And,
Speaker 1: I think part of it is that it's it's where it's where it was located, which is, you know, Downtown San Francisco. And while I I think San Francisco is a beautiful city and and we should really fight hard to, kinda right the ship of San Francisco. If you walked around downtown San Francisco, right near that ex FKA Twitter headquarters, it's a zombie apocalypse. I mean, it's rough. Have you ever been been in that area?
Speaker 0: Not lately.
Speaker 1: No. I've heard It's crazy.
Speaker 0: I've heard it's crazy. I've heard you You really can't believe it until you actually go there.
Speaker 1: You can't believe it until you
Speaker 0: go there. So and you have to
Speaker 1: say, well, what philosophy led to that outcome? And that philosophy was being piped to Earth. So, you know, a philosophy that would be ordinarily quite niche And geographically constrained so that that sort of the fallout, area would be limited, whereas effectively given And information a weapon. A tech information technology weapon to propagate, what is essentially a mind virus to the rest of Earth. And the outcome of that mind virus is very clear if you walk around the streets of downtown San Francisco.
It is the end of civilization.
Speaker 0: And it's not just, propagating the mind virus, but suppressing any opposing viewpoints?
Speaker 1: Yes. Well, in order for the virus to propagate, it must suppress voice and voice viewpoints. So
Speaker 0: Because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah. I mean, you've I mean, you've you you you've you've felt the the virus. Yeah. Yeah.
People have tried to cancel you so many times.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's fascinating. Yeah. I don't think you're melodramatic at all. I I I think it's, it's, I mean, I don't wanna be melodramatic, but it's almost like a death cult.
Speaker 1: It's a death cult. No. No. That is exactly right. It it it's essentially the, extinctionists.
Like, it's in the limit. It is they're they're propagating, the extinction of humanity and civilization. And and there's some people who are are like, most most of the time, it's it's implicit. They don't expli it's but sometimes it's explicit. Like, there's a guy on the front page of the New York Times, who literally has the thing called the Extinctionist Movement, and he was quoted on the front page of New York Times as saying, there are 8,000,000,000 people in the world, but it would be better if there were none.
And I'm like, well, buddy, you can start with yourself.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Does he have friends? That's what always fascinated me.
Speaker 1: Well, here he is.
Speaker 0: Becker, it looks like you've not long for this Earth. I mean, it doesn't It's not long. Human extinction movement. That's hilarious. Spent I'd like to party with that dude.
I would just like to, like That's
Speaker 1: the that's that's that's the that's that's an explicit version of the death cult.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Maybe the extinction is long and die out. It's I
Speaker 1: mean, it's it's not extinction is a word he uses. Yes. No. I mean, It's not a it's literally a self description.
Speaker 0: Did they cover him thoroughly?
Speaker 1: Was in charge of social social media
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And still largely is at, Google and Facebook, by the way.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm not in favor of, human extinction. They are, and, they can go to hell.
Speaker 0: Well, that guy is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He can go to hell.
Speaker 0: That guy seems silly.
Speaker 1: I I would like to hang
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Speaker 1: of I mean, I'm pro environment, but the The the in the limit, if you go if if you take environmentalism to an extreme, you start to view humanity as a plague on the surface of the Earth, Like a like a mold or something. Right. And but it's it's this is actually false. The Earth could could take probably 10 times the the current civilization. The the population could be you could 10 x the population without, destroying the rainforest.
So the the the the the environmental movement, and I'm an environmentalist, has gone too far. They've gone way too far. You know, if if you start thinking that that humans are bad, then the natural conclusion is humans, should die out. Now I'm headed to an AI safety international sort of AI safety conference, later tonight, leaving in about 3 hours. And, I don't know, meet with the British prime minister and a number of other people.
So you have to say, like, How could AI go wrong? Well, if if if AI gets programmed by the extinctionists, it will Its utility function will be the extinction of humanity.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Clearly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, particularly if
Speaker 1: They won't even think it's bad like that guy.
Speaker 0: Right. Yeah. If you let it out, there's a lot of decisions that AI would make that would be very similar to Eugenics. I mean, there would Well there would be some radical changes in what people are allowed to and not allowed to do that allow them to that may be detrimental in terms of, like, pollution and things like that, but it may be the only solution they have in their area. I mean, maybe AI would come up with some sort of a different structure in terms of how they get power and resources, but
Speaker 1: There's no shortage of power. Like we talked about solar powered for cars, the the issue is that cars Very low service area. But you you could actually power the entire United States with, a 100 miles by a 100 miles of solar.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: So you can just pick some dead spot that you fly over. Plenty. Cover that sucker up with solar panels and and charge the whole country?
Speaker 1: Absolutely. 247. We need batteries, but yes. Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. It's not hard. I mean, meaning it's like it's very feasible. In fact, I mean, the the the sun is converting, over 4,000,000 tons of mass to energy every second, And it's no maintenance. That thing just works.
That we have a giant fusion reactor in the sky that is the sun. In fact, people like so I was like, what about, you know, radiation? I'm like, the sun is literally a nuclear reactor in the sky. Yeah. Are you scared to go in daylight?
Speaker 0: Rocks of radiation.
Speaker 1: Yes. The the radiation risk is greatly, overestimated, You know,
Speaker 0: I always wonder why radiation is always bad in real life, but always awesome in comic books.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right? We get bitten by a radioactive spider, and suddenly you have spider abilities.
Speaker 0: Get hit with gamma rays from the hallway. Right
Speaker 1: after the cockroach, you'll be like The cockroach man.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You can
Speaker 1: be one
Speaker 0: of the X Men.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's, I I think the The problem is, like, most people just don't understand what radiation is, and so it just sounds like a mysterious, invisible death ray.
Speaker 0: Well, it's almost like drugs. Like, we think of it we put a blanket over it. Like, it's all one thing. You know, radiation is Chernobyl. You know?
Right.
Speaker 1: I mean,
Speaker 0: the things you can go to, you
Speaker 1: can actually torture noble right now.
Speaker 0: So can you Really? Yes. You you can actually go to where the belt Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Warzone. But apart from that,
Speaker 0: the the issue
Speaker 1: is, you know, more getting shot than it is you don't have a radiation risk. I mean, the the the problem is, like, I think when people don't understand what radiation is, they they just they can't see it, they can't feel it, they think, well, I could just Die at any moment, like, from a magic death ray. Right. You know, I've had people say, like, oh, the radiation from their phone is gonna hurt them or they're scared of the microwave. I'm, like, when you say radiation, do you mean particles or photons?
And if you mean, photons, what wavelength? And then, like, I don't know what you mean. That's they don't know
Speaker 0: anything about that. Right. They just have they're afraid of the term. Yes. It's because of Three Mile Island and Fukushima.
We've been Yeah. But nobody died of radiation
Speaker 1: from Fukushima. Not 1 person. True. In fact, but I but I was asked by people in California, Like, when when Fukushima happened, where the the radiation would get to California. I'm like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
And so, actually, to help support Japan, I flew to Fukushima and ate locally grown vegetables on TV. And I'm still alive. I have a friend.
Speaker 0: He's very smart, but he won't eat fish out of the Pacific because he's worried about the radiation from Fukushima.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's that's, irrational. There is no physics substance to that, I I would say, at all. Not even slightly.
Speaker 0: I'm a send him this clip.
Speaker 1: Yes. Go back to the
Speaker 0: sushi place, bro.
Speaker 1: No. You you you should be okay. If you eat too much tuna, you're gonna have Mercury. Yes. Correct.
Mercury poisoning from tuna It's a real thing.
Speaker 0: You can get arsenic from sardines too. I found that out the hard way. Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ate too many sardines.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I ate my I got my blood work done, and, the doctor says, do you have arsenic in your blood? And, I go, is someone poisoning me? He goes, that's very, very low level.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like your is your girlfriend angry at you?
Speaker 0: He does videos like that. And I said, yeah. He'd like 3 cans of sardines a night. That's a lot of sardines, man. I love sardines.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's I love them.
Speaker 0: You really do. I've always loved sardines. Okay. I love them. But turns out, like, you can't eat too
Speaker 1: much of it because it's they got they they Yeah.
Speaker 0: They're not good for you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a little sardines once in a while, but not 3 cans a night.
Well, for me, it's like I come home late from the comedy club, and I want something easy to eat. I wanna I don't wanna stop eating a lot of food, so I open up a few cans of sardines. Well, you know, watch a little TV, eat a few cans of popcorn. I was gonna do it every night. And then I stopped doing it, and I got my blood work done.
A couple months later, it was gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Well, I I think I think anchovies really, really, pep up a Caesar salad.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They do. I'm a fan. I'm a fan.
Speaker 1: I'm a
Speaker 0: fan of anchovies as well. Yeah. One of my favorite pizzas ever is pineapple and anchovy.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Double pineapple, double anchovy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 0: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: That's It's the
Speaker 0: sweet and the salty, and then you got the Tomato sauce and the cheese.
Speaker 1: My favorite pizza.
Speaker 0: It's very good.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a kid, I was, like, very much against Hawaiian pizza. And as an adult, I like it. Hawaiian's good. Yeah.
Speaker 0: But I'm telling you, anchovies and pineapple is the bomb diggity.
Speaker 1: That's the bomb diggity. Let's give it a shot.
Speaker 0: Oh, that's the bomb digger.
Speaker 1: So hey. Wait. Can we order some right now?
Speaker 0: Is that feasible? I I bet we could.
Speaker 1: Okay. Let's try it. That'd be sick.
Speaker 0: Order. Yeah. I can do it right now. We'll have someone out there. Have Jeff order, a very large pizza with double pineapple, double anchovies.
Speaker 1: Great. Fantastic. I'm hungry.
Speaker 0: Fucking go. Yes. Hell, that's easy.
Speaker 1: Go. No time like the present. Enjoy life.
Speaker 0: Well, there's gotta be a good spot around here. Tell tell them we'll find a good spot and tell them it's for us. They'll they'll cook it up. Alright. If they they won't.
Speaker 1: They're just on the pizza. Alright.
Speaker 0: Tell them we'll we'll mention their name. Tell them we'll mention their name on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Don't tell them it's us. Yeah. Tell them
Speaker 0: to us. Fuck it. If they're gonna close, tell them he won't mention them.
Speaker 1: Wait. What is this what is this salty sauce that's so mysterious?
Speaker 0: Oh, no. Right. Don't tell him it's us. Good call. Yeah.
Don't tell him it's us. Make sure you don't buy it from anybody. What what what is a salty, tangy substance of it? From East Austin. Don't buy it from anyone who still wears a mask.
There's a lot of them out there. Yeah. There's a lot of them out there. They're still masked up. It's wild.
Yeah. Once in a while, I
Speaker 1: see someone paranoid. I'm like,
Speaker 0: On the street? Yeah. I saw a guy on the street the other day just walking around with a mask on. I'm like, okay, buddy. You look like you're about 28 years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: I think you're gonna be okay. You're probably not gonna be okay breathing that fucking same air in that mask and all the bacteria spitting out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: It's attaching to that cloth.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It it it's masks are not like some, magic, health shield. I mean, there are times where, you know, masks are warranted, like, if a surgeon is operating on you or whatever, then you don't want the surgeon spinning in your wound, you know. Of course. But, Most of the time, a mask's not good for you.
And, If
Speaker 0: you can breathe out of it, that means you can you're you're breathing in. That means you're also exhaling. So, like, how much is it filtering? Like, what is it what it Part of it. Like a I I'd say,
Speaker 1: like, a mask is much like Sort of a shield in battle in that, you know, it'll help protect you a little bit from arrows and stuff, but it's not doesn't make you arrow groove. We're just talking about, you know, shooting arrows or something. Right. There's
Speaker 0: So, I
Speaker 1: mean, there are times when when masks are warranted, but most of the time, it's it's actually counterproductive.
Speaker 0: Well, that was one of the things about the old Twitter, was the propaganda and Yeah. The adherence to whatever The CDC was saying and the dismissing of legitimate scientists, guys like, Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford and legit Guys.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And they were suppressing them and even banning them. They banned Alex Berenson. I mean, this is it was wild. They banned Alex for Essentially reading peer reviewed papers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I mean, all all Twitter was basically an arm of the government.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So Was that shocking? Like, what was that like? Because that to me, that was the most bizarre was the Twitter Files. When you let Shellenberger and Matt Taibbi and all those guys get into Twitter and the the response where Matt Taibbi gets audited.
I mean, which is just wild. I mean, it's just so blatant and so in your face.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's weird. No. I mean, The yeah. The the degree which and and by by the way, Jack didn't really know know this, but the degree to which Twitter was simply, an arm of the government was Not well understood by the public.
And, it it was there was no it was whatever the official go I mean, it was like Pravda, basically. You know, it's a state publication is the way to think of old Twitter. It's a state publication.
Speaker 0: And was the justification from their perspective that They are progressive liberals. They have the right intentions. It's important that they stay in power. The progressive liberals stay in government, in power, Because this is the this is their
Speaker 1: There there was there was, basically, oppression of, Any any views that would even, I would say, be considered middle of the road. But certainly anything on the the right. I'm not talking about, like, Like, far right, I'm just talking mildly right. The people like, Republicans were suppressed at 10 times the rate of Democrats. Now that's because, old Twitter was fundamentally controlled by the far left.
It was, like, completely controlled by the the the far left. And That that's why I say, like, you know, the like, San Francisco, Berkeley is a niche ideology. It's hard to say, like, is there a place that's more far left than San Francisco, Berkeley?
Speaker 0: Maybe Portland.
Speaker 1: Maybe Portland. But it's like it's a Right there.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like it's those 2 places are the the most far left places, in America. Yes. So from their standpoint, everything is to the right, including moderates. Right. Right.
So but now if if if if you internalize a far left position, everything seems wrong to you that is that is not far left. Right. And so they naturally Oppressed any anything that didn't agree with their views. That's why I say that it was an accidental far left information weapon. So, is it because it's like Silicon Valley attracts the smartest Engineers, the smartest sort of technologists and programmers from around the world, they created an information weapon That was then harnessed by the far left, who could not themselves create the weapon, but happened to be collocated where the technologists were.
Mhmm.
Speaker 0: It happened to be aligned politically with the people that possessed it.
Speaker 1: The technologists, generally are moderate maybe moderate left. They're they're not they're they're they're not far left. That's why I say San Francisco, Berkeley it's it's it doesn't even extend to South San Francisco or even to Palo Alto. So so SF Berkeley is the most far left, perhaps, you know, in a competition with Portland, but I'd say SF Berkeley is more far left even than Portland. That like, literally in America, it's we're talking about an area that's maybe a 10 mile radius.
And so the the normally, the the effects the negative effects of a far left ideology that is would be geographically limited To a to a 10 mile radius. That's like not it's small like, the so so any any bad effects of that ideology Would be geographically constrained under normal circumstances and have been in the past. But when you have, Basically, a techno a technological megaphone, which which was Twitter and and social media in general. Suddenly, the the far left are handed A megaphone to Earth. A a a an incredibly powerful technology weapon that they themselves could not create, But they happen to be collocated with the technologists who created it by accident.
Speaker 0: Is it shocking that more people don't understand how dangerous that is?
Speaker 1: I think some people understand. Some people do. Some people understand. So, I mean, from from the standpoint of of some people who used to be at Twitter, the people are like, well, it's a big shift to the right. That is correct.
It is a trip to the right because everything is to the right if you're far left. Everything is to the right. But it's but how many far left people have actually been suspended or or banned from from Twitter and Ix? 0. So it's really just moved to the center, but from the perspective of the far left, it is it's moved to the right.
You see, like, everything's relative.
Speaker 0: The the the difference in the In moderation,
Speaker 1: I should say, has prop it propagated that Fallout philosophy, Not just to America, but to everywhere on Earth. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And with the same level of suppression in other countries as well?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: But the Taliban is on Twitter. Right?
Speaker 1: Like, I always think of, like, Hey, mister Taliman, tally me bono. Hey, mister Taliman.
Speaker 0: I mean, there but there's definitely some people on Twitter that are
Speaker 1: Daylight come in. I wanna go. Yeah. Yeah. So the the point the point is, I that I from my standpoint, that is that x, f k, Twitter, Should, represent the sort of collective consciousness of humanity.
So now That that means that there gonna be views on there that you don't like, or disagree with. But that's humanity. So are you gonna exclude him or or not? Now, I mean, if if somebody, You know, breaks the law, then then the the account is suspended. I mean, if they, actively advocate murder, then the account is suspended.
We we do have what We call, like, the kind of United Nations exclusion rule, which is that you can have, say, the Ayatollah, who, You know, would would prefer that Israel didn't exist, for example. And, But he's allowed to go to the UN building in New York.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And, in fact, generally, officials from Iran, do in fact go to the UN building in New York, even though they are a heavily sanctioned country. So so I think that there's there's merit to having, just like there's merit there's some merit to the UN. One can disagree with UN, and I think one we shouldn't have a world government that we bow down to. But, in fact, that's risky for civilization. But I think you do wanna have the leaders of countries, represented, On social media.
You wanna hear what they have to say even if you what they say is terrible.
Speaker 0: I think that is true across the board. And I think one of the things you just said that's very important is that's Humanity. And it's I think it's important that a a social media platform, especially the biggest one, Represents humanity, so we understand what we're talking about. Because we have this distorted idea of what people think and want and need because Everyone only exists inside this ideological bubble and anything outside of that bubble gets censored
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Then that changes literally changes the tone of the entire country. Yeah. Changes what people think is okay and not okay. Makes people feel differently.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: It's not humanity. It's different. It's a very, forced Version of humanity.
Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, the the whole point of free speech, the only Free speech is only relevant. The first amendment is only relevant, if you allow people you don't like to say things you don't like.
Because if you like it, you don't need a post amendment. So the whole point of free speech is That, frankly, even people you hate say things you hate. Because if they can say if people you hate can say things that that you hate, that means that They can't stop you from saying what you wanna say. Right. Which is very, very important.
Speaker 0: Right. But the problem with Twitter is it was not the case. It was Correct. The op it was people that You hate couldn't say.
Speaker 1: Anyone they didn't like, they censored. Yeah. Or they what what's called de amplify.
Speaker 0: Not well, not just de amplify, but Under the behest of the government would suppress real news, which was very bizarre.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: So they were very aware of something being accurate, And they still suppressed it because the government wanted them to suppress it.
Speaker 1: I mean, in in my view, there have been severe first amendment violations by multiple government agencies. And there should be repercussions for that.
Speaker 0: And is it is it do different laws apply because it's a privately owned social media company? I mean, what what what what laws do apply in terms of, like, when you're looking at it, if we go to the argument that the leftist would use Is it's a private company. They could do whatever they want.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny that when the shoe's on the other foot, they now say the private company can't do whatever it wants.
Speaker 0: Well yeah. Now they're upset.
Speaker 1: No. It's like but but the the the the government itself is not allowed to censor speech. But in in my view, the government de facto did censor a speech. And there should at least be a case Where, that is heard by the public. Because if the government, severely coerces, You know, a a platform, a a sort of, coerces the press, then I think that is a or should be a first amendment violation.
Speaker 0: Well, you can't do it with other media forms. Right? They're they're not allowed to do it with any other they're they're not Right.
Speaker 1: If I do that with a newspaper, they'd get in trouble.
Speaker 0: Or would they? You know, that's the question. It's like, you didn't know about The the the federal government, you didn't know about the intelligence agencies inside of Twitter until we found out. Like, do you
Speaker 1: think that this is ubiquitous? It's absolutely all the social media companies. In fact, right now, X would if, you know, formerly known as Twitter, is the only one that that is not, Cow tying to the government. He's the only one. There isn't all the others just do exactly what the government wants.
Speaker 0: That is wild. Yes. What I was getting at, do you think that that's everywhere?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Do you think that that's CNN? Do you think that that's the New York Times? Do you think that that's the Washington Post? This is if they were gonna infiltrate media. Yeah.
I mean infiltrate social media.
Speaker 1: The the the I mean, it is weird the degree to which the media is in lockstep. Look, why is the media in lockstep? And why doesn't the media question the government? They used to.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Why don't they do that anymore? Seems weird. Something doesn't add up. What do
Speaker 0: you think well, there seems like there's a bunch of factors. Right? I think one of the big factors is, pharmaceutical drug companies allowed to advertise on television, And we're one of 2 countries in the world that allow that.
Speaker 1: I actually agree with pharmaceutical advertising provider it is truthful, because there could there could be some drug that is helpful to someone, But, obviously, the claims need to be accurate. So I actually think pharmaceutical advertising, if it is accurate, I think it actually, you know, to play devil's advocate here, I think pharmaceutical advertising is generally accurate. I think that's actually okay. Now I should say that a lot of the censorship that we see It is is, it's coming from indirectly from advertisers and advertising agencies, and from PR companies, who who want a particular viewpoint pushed, or are being, driven by, nonprofits to, push a particular what what will happen is there's a there'll be a sort of a group of nonprofits or or or, You know, that that that push advertisers to advertise or not advertise on a particular platform. And you you went off in here as of the sort of George Soros boogeyman.
But, I mean, Soros actually, you know, he he is, I believe, the top contributor to the Democratic Party. The second one was, Sam Backward Creek. Yeah. So and and Saros, I don't know. I mean, he had a very difficult upbringing, and, I in my opinion, he fundamentally hates humanity.
That's my opinion.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well, he's doing things that erode the fabric of civilization. You know, getting DAs elected who refuse to prosecute crime. That's part of the problem in San Francisco and LA and much other cities. So why would you do that?
Speaker 0: Was it humanity, or is it just the United States as a whole? I mean, he's doing
Speaker 1: something other countries too.
Speaker 0: Just the same thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now George at this point is pretty old. I mean, he's not, you know, He's basically a betting owl at this point. But I mean, he he he and he's he's he's very smart, and he's very good at arbitrage. You know, famously, he, shorted the British pound.
That's sort of how, I think he made his first money, was shorting the pound. So he's he's good at spotting, basically arbitrage, like spotting value for money that other people don't see. So, one of the things he noticed was that in that that the value for money in local races is Much higher than it is in national races. The lowest value for money is a presidential race. Then next lowest value for money is a senate race, Then a congress and then but once you get to sort of city and state district attorneys, the value of money is extremely good.
And, Soros realized that you don't actually need to change the laws, you just need to change how they're enforced. If nobody chooses to enforce the law or the laws are differentially enforced, it's life changing the laws. That's what he that's what he figured out. But it's
Speaker 0: what's the charge. That this Trend that people haven't pulled the brakes on this and have it reverse course?
Speaker 1: I'm pulling the brakes? Yeah. Yeah. Bullet breaks right now.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You are. But you might be the only one.
Speaker 1: Well, I think more people should. Most people just don't wanna rock the boat. Most people are looking for acceptance from society and they they're you know, if there's some negative press article, they're, like, shattered. I couldn't give it out.
Speaker 0: Well Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Make my day.
Speaker 0: Well, it's fascinating where If you're a high profile public figure like yourself, no. There's no there's it's impossible to make everybody happy. So there's going to be someone who says something Shitty about you. Yeah. Somehow or another when it's in print, does that mean more?
Because other people are gonna see this shitty thing?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess That's
Speaker 0: where it gets odd. Because essentially, an article in the New York Times is just a single person's opinion and who whatever editor gets involved. It's just a
Speaker 1: lot of people will read that. I mean, less less people at least have
Speaker 0: those in
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 0: But I think people will go down now. People don't know that. I mean, that's sad.
Speaker 1: I find The New York Times these days to be hard to read.
Speaker 0: Well, unfortunately, they make some grave errors.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Like that Hamas bombing, The the, the the no. The Yeah. The the Israeli bombing the hospital Chickpeas. Story? Yes.
It's delicious. I mean, that I
Speaker 1: think they should just cut off Chick fil A exports. That'll that'll bring them to the knees right away. What do you do? Take a trip and dip it in nothing?
Speaker 0: What we need to do is introduce them to pineapple and anchovy pizza. I hope
Speaker 1: that's I hope that's coming. That'll be
Speaker 0: Is that coming? Yeah. Do we have a pizza name, like a company?
Speaker 1: I think so. I'll
Speaker 0: I'll get some information. I wanna
Speaker 1: make this a real good
Speaker 0: one though. Pizza Leone. Oh, that's legit. It's pretty close. Okay.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 0: Nice. Did they give us a timeline?
Speaker 1: I'd it shouldn't
Speaker 0: take too long. They're not too far away, and it's late. So it shouldn't fit
Speaker 1: I would've
Speaker 0: bet 20 minutes, 30 minutes maybe.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's something, like, after I say I've got a lot of respect for it. Somebody's, like, willing to make pizza late at night. Yeah. My my hat is awful. I mean, that that is, like, great.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. You know? Late night food. I appreciate the if you can get a really good late night meal Yeah. Hats off.
Totally. Or wigs off. 100%. Yeah. I'm I'm a giant fan of very good late night food.
And that's one of the things that, like, Los Angeles really used to have. Yeah. They had a Pacific Dining Cart where you can get a legit steak 24 hours a day. Really? That's great.
I don't know if it's still open in downtown LA. I believe the one in Santa Monica closed, But a Pacific dining car in downtown LA was a legit steak house, and you get it. We would leave the Comedy Store 2, 3 in the morning. Yeah. Get a legit steak.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 0: Is this still open? Temporarily closed.
Speaker 1: COVID got them. COVID just took out so many restaurants.
Speaker 0: It's crazy. It's not coming back.
Speaker 2: Their website seems to be down too.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They're not coming back. Motherfucker. COVID got 70% of the restaurants in LA at one point.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 0: Not COVID, I should say. Policies.
Speaker 1: Well Lockdowns. The mind virus. I mean, it's like just crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Well, that's why I moved here. One one of the reasons why I moved here is we came here in May of 2020, and you could go indoors and eat in restaurants.
Speaker 1: And
Speaker 0: Yeah. And my kids who were pretty young at the time, 10 and 12, they were like, we wanna live here. Yeah. So it's like they're freaked out. Like, LA was weird.
Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: for most of COVID, I was actually in South Texas building this this, Starship factory. And, you know, we're just, Yeah. No masks, no nothing. Just building a factory, building rockets. And, then, you know, they'd you would have teams From California, visit all masked up.
And, they'd freak out that we don't have masks. And we're, like, we're still alive, man.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So, Did you lose anybody? Did anybody from your factory die of COVID?
Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of. No. So so part of it is that, Like, that I I kinda saw a dress rehearsal which is that, you know, I kinda started in Wuhan. And so Tesla's got, 20,000 employees in in China. And so the, you know, the 1st wave occurred happened in China and and we had Nobody died or got seriously ill.
I was, like, okay. Well, like, this is you know, can't be that bad if and and and and we're just we're not relying on government statistics. We literally know who showed up for work, you know? Right. Did they bad did they badge in or not?
And we had No no one die and no one got seriously ill. So I'm like, well, I don't know what the big deal is.
Speaker 0: Well, there's a problem That people still wanna stick to this initial narrative that they believed and that they espoused. They're like, they repeated it. And so They'll still fight you on this today. People still fight you today on the merits of the lockdowns, the importance of vaccine mandates, Closing schools. There's people that stated an opinion in 2020, and they still are doing mental gymnastics to try To make it seem like that was the right choice.
Speaker 1: No. It was just a panic. Yeah. And and a lot of deaths got ascribed to COVID that had nothing to do with COVID. And in fact, I'd say in the beginning, the cure is worse than the disease.
So, because people panic too much. And so that somebody would, Get diagnosed with COVID, they put them on, intubated vent ventilator for a week, and this is gonna basically cook your lungs. So if you if you if you're on Puro 2, under pressure with a a tube stuck down your throat, And under anesthetic, this is this is very bad for you. Like, it's one thing if you do that for a couple hours for an operation, but you do that for a week. It's gonna it's gonna roast your lungs.
Like, the with the air that we're breathing right now is is 78% nitrogen, 1% argon, about 21% oxygen, And and it's so miscellaneous. So if you ask what are you breathing, they say oxygen. No. You're breathing nitrogen. Only about a 5th of it is is oxygen.
And there's about 1, like, 71% argon. So, now I know quite a lot about life support systems because we make spaceships. And there's you have to keep people alive in a vacuum. So you gotta say, okay, what percentage of nitrogen, what percentage of oxygen you're gonna do, what's the pressure gonna be? And, So, like, sea level pressure is about 15 pounds per square inch, and the the partial pressure of oxygen, at 20 being 20% is therefore roughly £3 per square inch of oxygen.
So in in a in a spacecraft, you wanna and especially if you're in a spacesuit, you wanna lower the pressure. So you wanna keep the the oxygen still still give people enough oxygen to function, obviously, but you wanna lower the nitrogen content So that you don't have a spacesuit that's at at 15 PSI. Because at 15 PSI, you just, you know, just pop out like a balloon. Mhmm. It's like hard to move.
Speaker 0: So so you wanna try to lower the pressure,
Speaker 1: you know, down to around, I don't know. 6, 7 PSI, maybe even 5 PSI.
Speaker 0: So you'd you'd lower it to
Speaker 1: you know, try to keep the oxygen, Partial pressure of oxygen are roughly the same, so maybe around 3 PSI and then 3 PSI of of nitrogen. So you got 5050 mix of nitrogen and oxygen. And, and then you just it's getting pretty hot into that week.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It may be a while. I just felt like getting hot touch. I'm Sweating.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's gonna be sweaty and itchy.
Speaker 0: A little bit. Yeah. I can't believe people wear them all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Anyway, so I I know a thing or two about keeping people alive in a vacuum, you know. Right. So, You know, we designed the life support system for keeping humans alive in a vacuum in the vacuum of space, which is very difficult. So we we know quite a lot about, what it takes to keep people alive.
So you you don't want do not want to pee pee people, you know, a 100% oxygen. It's actually for for an extended period of time. This is not good for you.
Speaker 0: 80% of the people they put on ventilators died.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in fact, I I actually posted about that because, I I called doctors in Wuhan and said, what are the biggest mistakes that you made in the 1st wave? Those were early on. And they said, we put far too many people on intubated ventilators. So then I I actually posted on Twitter at the time and said, hey.
What I'm hearing from Wuhan is that they made a big mistake And putting people, on intubated ventilators for an extended period, and that this this is actually what is damaging the lungs, not COVID. It's the Treatment is the cure is worse than the disease. And they I just people yelled at me and said, I'm not a doctor. I'm like, yeah. But I do make spaceships with life support systems.
What do you do?
Speaker 0: I like that.
Speaker 1: I twiddle knobs. I'm like, okay. Great.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Rock on. Well, again, it was there was this very bizarre narrative That you had to believe everything that the government was telling you. You had to believe everything the CDC was telling you. And that, even as Time went on, and we realized, hey, it looks like this came from a fucking lab.
Like, even as time went on, disputing that Would get you banned, would get you kicked off of YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: I think to this day, there's certain things you're not allowed to say in regards to the vaccine on YouTube.
Speaker 1: As I said, the the only media that is not, does not have crazy censorship at this point is, x. Yeah. That I'm aware of. Everyone else either, is everything else is censored.
Speaker 0: Spotify isn't. That's why this has been
Speaker 1: Good good for Daniel Ek.
Speaker 0: Oh, Daniel Ek's the man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's great.
Speaker 0: I love that dude. And, you know, I think More companies should follow suit. I don't think it has to be this way. Unfortunately, for us, they're they they're in Sweden. And Stockholm, Sweden, they have a very different You
Speaker 1: got a syndrome.
Speaker 0: On all this shit. Yeah. What is wild about the nitrogen is that, like, that's mostly nitrogen from fertilizer we suck
Speaker 1: out Sorry. The what what do you mean?
Speaker 0: Most of the nitrogen for fertilizer, we suck out of the air. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's and, one one of the, actually, the the big, Inventions in chemistry was binding nitrogen. Nitrogen is actually fairly inert, so it's quite hard to, To actually pull nitrogen out there and bind it into into, like, ammonia like like, basically, the process for creating ammonia was was actually a very important
Speaker 0: The Haber method. Yeah. Fritz Haber.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Same guy who invented Zyklon gas.
Speaker 1: But the it was actually very important To, buy nitrogen from the air, to fertilizer. So, that that that actually Was, frankly, a is a life saving invention, at scale, because you just run out of of of nitrogen. So, like, nitrogen pure nitrogen is is a lower energy state, so to try to bind it into fertilizer is It requires light energy to do that. It's quite quite tricky. So that was a very important breakthrough.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I read that 50% of the nitrogen in most people's Body comes from that method. 50% of the nitrogen in most people's body that they've consumed from food.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. For for because of Yeah.
Speaker 0: Because of
Speaker 1: that problem. That might be true. It it was a fundamental Problem for, most of civilization is how do you get, nitrogen for the plants. The limiting factor, in fact, even in the rainforest is, like, the nitrogen is is bound nitrogen.
Speaker 0: What are the when You do eventually colonize Mars. What what's the idea in terms of terraforming? Is it Contained ecosystems that were are under domes. Like, what what are what are you planning on doing to make it habitable?
Speaker 1: Well, at first, you would have to have a life support system, because Mars has a low density atmosphere, only about 1% the density of Earth, And it's primarily c o two. Now over time, you could you can terraform Mars. Terraform means make it like Earth, essentially. And if you warm Mars up, you will, there's a bunch of frozen c o two that will evaporate, densify the atmosphere, and, you'd actually want Kind of global warming on Mars. Because Mars is about 50% further away from the sun than the Earth.
So it gives about less than half the solar energy that that Earth does.
Speaker 0: And it's believed at one point in time, Mars had a much different environment. Right?
Speaker 1: It is it it appears highly likely that Mars had liquid oceans, albeit a long time ago. And do There's a lot of ice. So this this Mars is, covered in ice, and now the ice is then covered in dust for the mo mostly except at the poles. So there's there's there's a lot of ice. In fact, I believe if if Mars has warmed up, you'd have an ocean about a mile deep on, 40% of the of the planet.
Speaker 0: Oh. So
Speaker 1: So it's it's quite a lot of water.
Speaker 0: And do we think that it was like that at one point in time?
Speaker 1: The evidence suggests that, it is most likely that Mars had, liquid water.
Speaker 0: What's the prevailing theory of its demise?
Speaker 1: Well, just over time, the solar system cooled. So Earth used to be much like, at In the very early Earth was like molten rock. You know, so really almost nothing could survive in the beginning. We're just a Walla lava. We're still mostly Walla lava.
We're like creme brulee, like there's a thin crust And, and it's mush mushy rock under super very hot mushy rock underneath. And technically, that that rock is on In a semi solid state, but as soon as it gets to a low pressure, like, pops out of the ocean, you have a volcano, obviously, with lava. Yeah. So it's, At at at at at at service ambient pressure, the we were basically covered in liquid rock.
Speaker 0: Are you aware We
Speaker 1: were a thin crust on liquid rock.
Speaker 0: Are you aware of the origin myth of the Dogon tribe?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 0: There's a tribe in, I believe it's a tribe in I forget what part of Africa. But they believe that they came from Mars and that there was a civilization that left Mars, You know, many, many eons ago. And it's it's a really weird, It's a really weird theory because they know some things about Mars.
Speaker 1: Jimmy. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they didn't come from Mars.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure too. But I mean, it's Do they have any spaceships?
Speaker 1: If there don't have any spaceships, then I'm, like, I don't believe it.
Speaker 0: Well If,
Speaker 1: like, if you don't have a spaceship, I'll believe it.
Speaker 0: If you parked a spaceship, How many 1000 of years you've parked a metal spaceship? Like, if you left a Cybertruck in the desert Yeah. How many 1000 of years do you think it would be there for Before it's gone. If it
Speaker 1: got buried
Speaker 0: if it
Speaker 1: got buried in dirt, we'd find it find it even, like, a 1000000? Yeah. Wow. Really? Well, you'd what you'd find
Speaker 0: is stainless steel. So it'd have to be some sort of an alloy.
Speaker 1: It it would it's kinda like,
Speaker 0: But iron wouldn't. Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. You you but you'd have something similar to, like like, fossils, basically, you know? Like the fossils
Speaker 0: Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: They they basically, discolored the rock. So eventually, the wherever the fossil is and sometimes there are fossils like in amber or something like that. That that's that's where it's still they survive more or less intact. But, I mean, this fossilized, like, dinosaur fossils and tree fossils,
Speaker 0: that Potentially remineral mineralized. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you'd you'd you'd see it like a Cybertruck shape in the rock, basically.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But that's it. You wouldn't find the actual Cybertruck.
Speaker 1: So
Speaker 0: if they did have a spaceship and it came here 3000 years ago
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'd we'd definitely find it evidence of it. Well, not I mean, if there's 1 spaceship, maybe not. But if there was a lot of them, sure.
Speaker 0: That is the origin myth The Dogon tribe. Right? Am I getting that right? Mars, specifically. It's a hidden star and a serious Oh, it's somewhere else.
Speaker 2: System. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You cannot be serious.
Speaker 0: SiriusXM? It's, it's just very strange when people have this, This bizarre origin myth. Like, I I wonder who's the first one to tell them they came from stars. And when we eventually do, I mean, how bizarre imagine if you're successful, we eventually do colonize Mars, And you're correct. We Earth winds up through human folly or natural disaster Getting wiped out.
And there's only the colony on Mars. And that colony exists for 10, 20000 years, and they have their origin myth That we all came from Earth. I mean, ultimately, that's going if if this does happen, you do colonize Mars and Earth does get destroyed, And if there a period of time takes place, like, look at the the period, like, at least the conventional timeline of the Great Pyramid, which is 4500 years ago.
Speaker 1: 5000 years
Speaker 0: from now. Yeah. So that's not that much time.
Speaker 1: Not that much time.
Speaker 0: No. I mean, if
Speaker 1: It's nothing on the on the galactic timescale.
Speaker 0: Right. So if we're talking 20, 38000 years from now on Mars and people talk about Times Square, then what earth used to be like?
Speaker 1: I mean, it is I I think, like, there's some debate as, like, how do you say what the when does civilization Start, and I'd say, like, probably from the first writing. Mhmm. And and the first the first writing is only 55 100 years old. Yeah. It's worth reading about the history of writing, but only 35 100 years, and that and, One has to credit, basically, the ancient Samarians who aren't around anymore, with the first writing.
Speaker 0: Are you aware though that, like, there's hieroglyphs that depict, The history of Egypt that goes back far longer, maybe even 30,000 plus years ago. But archaeologists dismiss it because they think that that's mythical. But nonconventional archaeologists who believe in what's called the Younger Dryas impact theory
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: That, somewhere around 11,800 years ago, civilization was essentially all but wiped out by common impacts.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: And that that is the reason why they keep finding these in in in insanely old, huge Structures, megalithic structures that are carved out of stone. Like, when you go to back to, like, Gobekli Tepe, which is 11,600 years ago
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: That's that's an insanely Old structure that they didn't even know people were capable of building until they discovered it in 19 nineties. So the conventional timeline of people, when you go to 11,600 years ago, it was just hunter gatherers. But now that they have Gobekli Tepe with its, three d carved, things and have you seen Graham Hancock's amazing series on Netflix Called, ancient apocalypse?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 0: You should check it out. It's amazing. But it's about that. It's all about that there's a lot of physical evidence of an advanced civilization from far, far, far longer ago than we have conventionally dated, which is Ancient Sumer, which is we we put it about 6000 years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But, like, the first it's it's difficult to date update it with precision, but Or at least to within a few 100 years, but it's roughly 55 100 years. Like, so like, what is the oldest, like, stone tablet? Yeah. Because this is, in in you know, it's if if you're like an archaeologist, if you were to discover something older than that, you'd be very famous.
You know? It's like it's like they really looked hard. Yeah. And 55 100 years, really is kind of the the if you select any kind of Evidence that that I've that I've seen that is actually substantial is is writing is 55 100 years old.
Speaker 0: Yeah. In terms of writing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Well, what they believe is that there's very little left of this ancient civilization other than things like the pyramids, Other than things like the sphinx, there's a geologist that really stuck his neck out. His name's doctor Robert Schoch from Boston University. And what he said was his theory is that there's Deep water erosion all over the temple of the sphinx, where the sphinx was carved out of, that is indicative of thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time they had rainfall in the Nile Valley was around 9,000 BC. So what he believes is because back then, the whole Nile Valley was a lush rainforest Then eventually receded into desert.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So the entire that whole area, like, even the Sahara used to be rich rainforest. And it receded into what it is now. But if you go back then, he believes that's when that thing was constructed. And he said the physical geol The the geologists look at it.
And if they if if he shows it to them in terms of, like, just shows an image of the erosion and doesn't tell them where it is, They'll almost all of them will say that's water erosion from thousands of years of rainfall.
Speaker 1: I I think even if you say, like, okay, even if even if, You know, even if you say, like, okay, civilization is, like, 9,000 years old. There's still nothing. None. Yeah. So, you know, we're still talking about, like, A very tiny fraction of Earth's existence.
Like Earth? Yeah. The geological edge of evidence suggests the Earth is about 4 a half 1000000000 years old. So, human civilization has been around for roughly 1 millionth of Earth's existence. Yeah.
There's basically nothing. And even if it's 10000 years ago.
Speaker 0: Even if it's 3000 years ago.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Still nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 0: What they're saying though is that civilization is insanely fragile.
Speaker 1: That's Exactly.
Speaker 0: And much, much more fragile than I think we realize.
Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely. I think we should view civilization as being fragile.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But we don't. In that bizarre it's one of the weird things about people is that we in unless the threat is in front of us, it's abstract. Unless it's like real is the pizza here? Oh, yeah.
Pizza's here. Yeah. From civilization.
Speaker 1: No. Actually, one like, One of my sons who is it's actually he he has these profound observations, you know, he asked me what Was LA like 4000 years ago? I'm like, it wasn't around. And he said, what will it be like 4000 years from now? Probably buried under rubble, I guess.
Speaker 0: Probably very similar to what it was like 4000 years ago. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: And then So it's radioactive. And he asked me, Did they speak English 4000 years ago? I'm like, nope.
Speaker 0: Really? It's like, did they will
Speaker 1: they speak English 4000 years from now? Probably not.
Speaker 0: I should point out that I never eat pizza. Really? No. Never. Why not?
Because it's not really good for you. Well, I don't think anyone's gonna accuse pizza of being, like, the healthiest thing in the world. This looks awesome. That does look awesome. You want a place, Jamie?
Yeah. Get in there, sir. Grab a piece. Alright. Sick.
Let's go. This is awesome. And, what's the name of this pizza person? Living line? Pizza Leone.
Pizza Leone?
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 0: Shout out to Pizza Leone. Oh, yeah. That really hit the spot. That's legit. I mean, I'm no Dave Fortnoy.
I'm not like a pizza analyst who'll probably I'm not gonna rate it. It's excellent.
Speaker 1: His porno really gets into pizza?
Speaker 0: Oh, man. Oh, man. Ever seen Portnoy's videos where he analyzes pizza? Oh my god. It was like a whole method
Speaker 1: for the
Speaker 0: number system.
Speaker 1: Alright.
Speaker 0: He's into the crust and the flop and all these different things.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Everybody knows the rules. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What what is his
Speaker 0: everybody knows the rules. 1 bite. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You only get 1 bite of a pizza? Yeah. That's right. That's the rule.
Speaker 0: He bites into it, and then he just starts nodding his head. He's basically like a Somalia pizza.
Speaker 1: Pizza of Somalia. Okay. Yeah. And and and it's is he is there, like, What's his favorite piece of joint?
Speaker 0: Oh, the favorite one. That's, everyone wants to know that. It's old cheese.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We spent so much time on pizza.
Speaker 0: And it's New Haven. New Haven, Connecticut. Really? Yeah. For some reason, the Italians that moved to New Haven, Connecticut, who really figured pizza out, Oh, we have Insane Pizza in New Haven, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like, really, like, legendary. I've had There's a comedy club I used to work out there called the Joker's Wild, and I had New Haven pizza. And even back then, it's just really good pizza.
Speaker 1: Well, okay.
Speaker 0: I don't know why, though. It seems like something that could be replicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's not like rocket ship. Yeah. The thing is, The people that are making pizza are not like the people that are making rocket ships. If they were, they would replicate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: They would go, what are these guys doing? Let's back engineer it.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 0: Can't be that hard. You know? All these secret tosses and shit. Well, what the fuck? What's in there?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I absolutely agree. This is pizza, right? Mhmm.
Speaker 0: The combination of pineapple and anchovy, surprisingly good, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: I wonder if the 1st pineapple anchovy pizza they ever made there?
Speaker 1: I don't
Speaker 2: see it on their menu very often.
Speaker 0: Nobody's ordering that shit. I used to order it when I would order it for delivery. They'd go, are you sure? I'm like, don't you think I know what I'm doing? I'm ordering it.
Speaker 1: With extra now with extra arsenic.
Speaker 0: That's
Speaker 1: good.
Speaker 0: Do you know why I don't eat this stuff though? Because I cannot stop. That's a problem.
Speaker 1: This pizza's too delicious.
Speaker 0: Oh, so good. High calorie, high carbohydrate foods. Once they start going down the hatch, they don't wanna stop.
Speaker 1: Cops are the devil.
Speaker 0: Oh, they are the devil. Remember? They used to be the base of the food chain.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: The whole pyramid. The full pyramid. The bottom of the food pyramid was carved.
Speaker 1: Pyramid. What would the Egyptians say?
Speaker 0: That would be out of our fucking mind. I wouldn't even beat
Speaker 1: him. Yeah. Exactly. His stuff is just.
Speaker 0: That's the bizarre thing about
Speaker 1: It's like 4th July in your mouth.
Speaker 0: Right. When how many human beings eat just processed food? Like, the majority of their diet is processed food. Like, the entire center of the supermarket is shit you really probably shouldn't eat except every day and then. Good, Jeremy.
I bet. You want 1?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 0: Did you seem offended? No. I did 2 of my not like Favorite. I don't like either of those things, honestly.
Speaker 1: Can we try it?
Speaker 0: It's not my Well, Billy, you should try it. I understand. I feel like I should The show's all about TriNet. We shot
Speaker 1: a arrow at a car.
Speaker 0: I'm just not gonna like it. And I don't wanna offend Pizza Leone. I like that place. I would be offended.
Speaker 1: Alright. It's hard to mess with pizza, frankly.
Speaker 0: Unlike the creeps who used to run Twitter, I don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. I just don't like fish, to be that honest with you. Like, I've I've
Speaker 2: tried it many
Speaker 0: times, and
Speaker 1: I still haven't Today, that's gonna
Speaker 0: be well, I'm gonna be won over. You like any fish? Not really. Do you ever go fishing? I can do crab meat.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I don't like the whole product.
Speaker 0: Do you like sushi?
Speaker 1: No. Wow. I'm gonna that Phillips gonna
Speaker 0: gonna try some of Phillips on Thursday, though. You're gonna try it, but you don't like fish. I'm like DC. I'm afraid of that whole thing. Mhmm.
I've already talked to Philip about it in detail. Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't need fish that often.
Speaker 0: I like it. Yeah. It's particularly good when you catch it yourself. Gonna eat it fresh?
Speaker 1: Fresh fish really is way better. Way better. Way better.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Fish goes bad quick. Yeah. Unlike meat. Yeah.
What? Meat, you can, like, let it sit on for a while.
Speaker 1: Kinda marinate
Speaker 0: before you cook.
Speaker 1: You don't marinate fish, I think.
Speaker 0: Well, they do. They actually dry aged fish.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. A lot of places dry aged fish.
Speaker 1: Dry aged the fish. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I didn't know that. I didn't I wasn't aware of that, but that's actually Common practice to dry aged fish for certain sushi dishes, like really gourmet places. Have you ever been to, Sushi by Scratch?
Speaker 1: Is that in town?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's, just outside of town. He used to run Sushi Bar, and then he sold it. So my friend Philip Franklin Lee is a Michelin star chef. He, used to run sushi bar in town.
He sold that. And then he opened up sushi by scratch. But because of the, contractual obligations, he has to be, like, Outside of the, Austin proper, so he's about 30 miles away. It's fucking fantastic. If you like sushi, it's like the best sushi you'll ever eat.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: I mean, it's really insane. I I say that with you eat it and you're like, Jesus Christ. The best sushi of all time.
Speaker 1: Sushi by Scratch?
Speaker 0: Mhmm. They have ones in Miami. Well, they have it now in Chicago. They got a bunch of them. It's not allowed to go to Austin?
No. It's not in Austin proper. I think once his contract is up, you know, he had a non compete in Austin for, like, 3 years or something. I don't know how long it was. Okay.
But maybe eventually he'll open up 1 in Austin, but it's about 30 minutes outside of it. What what city is it against? Cedar? Past yeah. Cedar Creek.
It gets out at the Lost Pines area. Yeah. 30 minutes.
Speaker 1: It's a
Speaker 0: big deal.
Speaker 1: Sushi bread scratch. Got it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. This is shit. Let me know if you wanna go. I'll hook it up. Yeah.
Sure. Yeah. It's awesome. It's really worth it. Like, if you like sushi, it's a mind blower.
It's a mind blower. And it's Omakase. So, like, you sit down, they bring you Food. That's it.
Speaker 1: That looks good.
Speaker 0: It's pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 1: Have you been to Matsuhisa in LA? Yes. The Makashi Brothers is is great.
Speaker 0: Yes. That place is outstanding.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I love good sushi. And it's, one of the things that's amazing is how many good restaurants there are in Austin. I mean, for a city that's relatively small Mhmm.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole per capita is excellent.
Speaker 0: Amazing. Yeah. And they're so good. There's like so many, like, artisan restaurants. We just found a new one that Brian Simpson told us about.
It's called Bacalar.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: It's, this Mexican restaurant that's in town. Fantastic. Really good. Yeah. They just opened up.
I think they're only open for, like, 6 weeks. So shout out to them. Just say I ate there the other night.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: It's just there's so many good places here. Yeah. Like, you can't have a bad restaurant in this town. You will go under quickly.
Speaker 1: The competition is strong.
Speaker 0: There's so much competition, and it's like and there's so much variety.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All kinds of Lot of good restaurants in the town.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's amazing. You know, I remember, we were hanging out at your place, like, way back in the day when I first moved here, And you you said something very prophetic when all this was happening, like Austin's about to go supernova.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Kinda did. Yeah. It's BoomTown.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It really is. Yeah. Legitimately. Yep.
And with, the Gigafactory, I mean, how many jobs have you brought into Austin from that factory alone?
Speaker 1: Well, we're about 10,000 direct ish, and then I think 50,000 indirect. So it's a lot.
Speaker 0: That's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's only too many people in the Greater Austin area.
Speaker 0: I know. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: In fact, the the kind of limiting factor for growth is Spying enough people. Good. Yeah.
Speaker 0: This is terrible for sound. We just We're just gonna have to do
Speaker 1: all this. Is it like the subtitle, chewing sounds?
Speaker 0: This is my last
Speaker 1: piece. The subtitle, chewing sounds.
Speaker 0: People are gonna have to deal with it. This is my last piece.
Speaker 1: Are you
Speaker 0: taking it away? You want me to do it? You son of a bitch.
Speaker 1: I see it.
Speaker 0: You son of a bitch.
Speaker 1: I certainly I certainly I certainly I certainly eaten my full.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Take it away. I'll keep going. I'll eat the whole fucking That's the problem being carbs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Carbs are awesome.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. It's like, I feel good, though. I mean, this is the dopamine explosion from crowds.
Speaker 0: I'm happy I did it. Yeah. It's I
Speaker 1: mean, once in a while, it's fine.
Speaker 0: Once in a while. I mean, it's once in a great while, but
Speaker 1: Well, there's like like Tim Ferris has like that, you know, you have 1 whatever 1 meal a week or something.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's good. Yeah. 1 meal a week, I'll go with sweets. I'll have a ice cream sundae or
Speaker 1: some shit. Ice cream sundaes are great.
Speaker 0: Oh, they're fucking amazing. Amazing. Yeah. I don't even think most people know what an ice cream sundae tastes like unless they smoke marijuana. And then you're like, oh, this is a different thing.
Yeah. It's an amazing invention. Whoever figured out the hot fudge and then the whipped cream on top of it, what What a combo.
Speaker 1: Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Want some of those
Speaker 0: 2? Maybe. Oh, yeah. Maybe. Great idea.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's I'm
Speaker 0: not a
Speaker 1: Dairy Queen.
Speaker 0: For sure. Derek Crane.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's
Speaker 0: what's open
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 0: What's legit? It's 11:30. I don't know. What's the
Speaker 1: there's, like, the Pizza restaurant, that that pizza chain that's they they got the best ice cream sundae that I've ever seen. It's giant one. Out here? God. I have to remember the name of the it's it's it is a it is a chain, but it's not like a big chain.
Speaker 0: People that are upset right now because they're listening, like, on the treadmill, and they're hearing us Chewing like, these motherfuckers are gonna get ice cream. We're seeing pizza and ice cream sundaes. While people try to lose weight. Yeah. Sweating out.
Oh, Bucadepepos. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: They they they if you they've got a gigantic ice cream sundae. Everything they have is gigantic. It's amazing.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I worked there for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's actually really good.
Speaker 0: No kidding.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 0: Oh, bro. They have that rigatoni, the rigatoni with the meat sauce, and Oh, my God. Bougain Ripos is great. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And
Speaker 0: it it's very reasonably priced for the amount of food you get.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's one in Palo Alto.
Speaker 0: Crazy amount of food.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's really good. Yeah. I like all the photographs in the wall.
Speaker 0: There's one of those down the street from our old studio.
Speaker 1: You know that?
Speaker 0: With the hills. Yeah. Remember? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I used I used to
Speaker 1: could, take my kids to the one at the Grove in LA.
Speaker 0: What, if anything, is out near SpaceX? Like, what do you guys have out there?
Speaker 1: In LA or or here?
Speaker 0: Out here.
Speaker 1: We've got the STARLINK, terminal factory. So we, For the Starlink v 4 terminals, we build them here. We build the what's called the well, the the v the version 3 terminals And the version 3 menus, there's like a there's like we we do part of part of the production or actually, I should say, we've done all of the production of The Terminals thus far in LA, and, we'll continue to do production in LA, but we're also we've just completed a second factory, In Bastrop, just about 20 minutes from here.
Speaker 0: And then SpaceX is where you make the launches. What what part of Texas is that?
Speaker 1: Well, the Starship stuff is in South Texas, near the border, just, right on the Rio Grande.
Speaker 0: And how did you pick that location?
Speaker 1: I was just literally looking, at satellite images, And and, you for for going to orbit you kind of need to you want to launch eastwards so that you can take advantage of Earth rotation to get to orbit, So it's a little counterintuitive that, reaching or, orbital velocity getting to orbit is about Your speed parallel to the Earth's surface. It's like how fast are you zooming around Earth. It's not a like, the gravity at the at the altitude of the space station is almost the same as it is on the ground. The reason the space station is is actually up there is sort of kind of the wrong terminology. It's it's actually Moving around the Earth at 17,000 miles an hour.
So the the space station, goes around the Earth at roughly every 90 minutes. So so and and because Earth is is is turning, and the, The speed at which it is turning, or the way you experience velocity is is it's moving it at roughly a 1000 miles an hour at the equator. So the closer you are to the equator, the more you can take advantage of Earth's rotation to reach orbital velocity. So you wanna and and so and and since So rotating eastward, you wanna be on the east coast to get, to make it easier to get to orbital velocity. So So you need a section of coast that's on the east, fairly southward, that is not occupied.
So, like, most of really almost really all all of Florida except for Cape Canaveral, is, you know, wall to wall houses on the beach. Like, there's almost no section of Florida that that every section of Florida has houses, except for Cape Canaveral, which is government based. So one one of the few spots that that that wasn't occupied was the area just, adjacent to the border with Mexico. And, it it just wasn't super well suited to, Holiday Homes. And, there was at one point a development that was gonna take place, but then a hurricane came and destroyed the entire place.
And and in fact, re rearranged the land so some of the plots were underwater.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. So
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a it's a it's a tough spot to, build a home, And that's why it was unoccupied. So we needed a piece of it need to be US territory because if we go outside the US, There are export restrictions because rocket technology is an advanced weapons technology. So we can't just, like,
Speaker 0: you
Speaker 1: know, arbitrarily go to another country. So it needed to be US land, East Coast, and and fairly southward.
Speaker 0: That's fascinating that
Speaker 1: rocket that exists like that.
Speaker 0: That rockets fall into the category of weapons technology.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Speaker 0: I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We could drop a rocket anywhere. Nobody could stop us.
Speaker 0: Wow. That is crazy about the space station too. Yeah. That's going 17,000 miles an hour.
Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, you've seen the videos of the rocket landing. Right?
Speaker 0: Yes. It's amazing. Very precise. It's pretty fucking amazing. We can make it land basically anywhere.
Oh. Or not land.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just I mean, you don't have to turn on the thrusters to slow down.
Speaker 0: What is it like to try to juggle these different things in your mind on a daily basis? Like, what is it like to try to juggle x, Tesla, SpaceX, all these different things at the same time.
Speaker 1: It's a lot for a human brain to handle.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I would imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My it strains my meat computer.
Speaker 0: I couldn't I mean, do you need something like that, though? Does your meat computer need more problem solving than the average one? I mean, is this something like, If you only had 1 thing to work on, do you think you would get bored? Or you would get distracted? Or you would not be satisfied?
Like, do you need these things to be so complex and have so many of them simultaneously juggling? Because you didn't pick 3 easy ones. You picked 3 of the fucking hardest things you could ever get into. You already detailed how difficult manufacturing is. Rockets.
Duh. It's the cra it's one of the craziest things.
Speaker 1: Like, not only that Rocket science.
Speaker 0: Completely innovative rockets that land. Like, they that had never happened before, so you're doing that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And then you said, you know what? We're gonna save humanity. Let me go spend 44,000,000,000 on Twitter. Man,
Speaker 1: that was expensive. What's it worth? What's what do you
Speaker 0: think it was actually worth?
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Not for the market. Right? I mean, like, for you for humans, yes. I agree with you.
I mean, I I really genuinely do think this and I've said this many times publicly. I think you did humanity an immense service. And that if that didn't happen, the narrative of this country would have gone further and further down that road to the point where people would have been scared to speak their mind. And they're they would have been scared. And it it changes the way people communicate at their jobs, which changes Yeah.
The way It it just changes the way people, when they they leave universities and they go to get jobs, the the way they're allowed to communicate, And people don't like to be on the outside. They don't like to be ostracized. They don't like to be kicked out of communities, so people would adhere. Yeah. And it would change.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And people, I guess, are are afraid of, like, being, yeah, ostracized is is, like, fear of being ostracized, I think, is Probably the biggest issue, and they're just being totally shut down. Yeah. You know, where you have no outlet, And you just basically disappear except for in person meetings. So, Yeah.
It was important to, like, steer have at least 1 Social media outlet that wasn't canceling people.
Speaker 0: What I really enjoy Is, reading the tweets I guess you still have to call them tweets.
Speaker 1: Reading Ghosts
Speaker 0: or whatever. I would I don't have a good word for it, but Yeah. You can't say the exes. Reading the
Speaker 1: Oh, my exes live in Texas.
Speaker 0: Reading the words, I should say. I enjoy reading the words Of people who proclaimed that they were leaving and going over to threads.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: That's an interesting thing about momentum. Very difficult to start a whole new social media platform. Yeah. Even one that initially got, like, what what do threads get? Like, Some crazy number of initial people signing up for it.
Yeah. But it just dropped off within, like, a couple of weeks. Now it's a fucking ghost town.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like Wild.
Speaker 0: You're really quiet. It's wild. I
Speaker 1: mean, Secomsoft doesn't post. So
Speaker 0: That's what's crazy.
Speaker 1: Gotta you gotta use your own product.
Speaker 0: It's interesting, though, because they're sneaking them in now in Instagram. They sneak They sneak
Speaker 1: a little thread in there?
Speaker 0: Because every now and then, I'll see something. Oh, that's interesting. Thing I click on it, oh, you motherfucker. I tricked you. Threads for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Fuck. You got me. Because they're, you know, they're integrated. But
Speaker 1: I don't use Instagram.
Speaker 0: It's fascinating that I'm sure you don't. Why would you? If I bought X or Twitter or whatever, I I wouldn't use anything else either.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I didn't use Instagram for for a while. I mean, I I mean, there was a time when I was posting on Instagram, but, I found myself doing selfies, and I'm like, what the hell is wrong with me? Why am I posing for selfies to get likes? This is crazy.
Bizarre. And I'm like so then I was like, You know, if you if you if you if you post for selfies on on on Twitter, that people would jump below you, you know?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're like, what's
Speaker 0: that? That's true.
Speaker 1: They're like, what's wrong with
Speaker 0: you? That's not true. Yeah. People are, like, way more lenient on Instagram for some strange reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's like pretty pictures, basically.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Pretty pictures and a lot of bullshit. A lot of it's a there's a lot of weirdness that comes with Instagram, like filters. Like, I've caught grown men using filters on their pictures. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: You know, I I I am concerned that, like, Like I say, Instagram actually leads to, more unhappiness, not not less, in the sense that, like, it just looks like everyone's, Like like, having a great time and is way better looking than they really are. Yeah. And so you're like, man, everyone's, like, good looking and having a great time. And and, then you sort of compare yourself to that and, like, it's like, damn, I'm not as good looking, and I'm not I I I just need to be sad a lot. And then you're like, man, You know, okay, I think I think it'd make you kinda depressed.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, and also, you're a grown man in your experiences. You're also very intelligent in your experiences. Imagine being a young kid. Yeah.
Jonathan Haidt documented that in the coddling of the American mind. So there's a direct correlation between the invention of Social media and its ubiquitous use and self harm amongst kids, particularly girls. It's really bad for girls. And they they like Yeah. Around 2007 ish, there's this big uptick on suicide, self harm, depression.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If people can't just, like, make themselves be better looking with with the Right. There's, like, a limit.
Speaker 0: So Right. Yeah. And then, surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: There was a big uptick in people getting their jaws reshaped and shit.
Speaker 1: I mean Yeah. That's too bad. So I I don't know. I think, yeah. I I think I I think, like, They have to say, like, is is Instagram a net happiness generator or or not?
I'm I'm not sure it is.
Speaker 0: Speaking of distorted images Yeah. Have you seen the court artist's drawing of Sam Bankman Fried?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like they lost money or something.
Speaker 0: What the fuck happened? It looks
Speaker 1: like it melted.
Speaker 0: Have you seen it? I just saw it. It looks like a supermodel.
Speaker 1: Oh, what's SPF does?
Speaker 0: Yes. The guy who drew him. I I mean, one one of them I saw. Maybe there's more than 1 artist. Maybe there's more than 1 artist.
Because some
Speaker 1: of those ones I saw One
Speaker 0: of them were unflattering. He looked like an anime superhero.
Speaker 1: You're joking?
Speaker 0: No. No. Like, perfect chiseled jawline. Ridiculous. He looked like he lost 30 pounds, started working out.
Look at this. Look at that. Are you kidding? What the fuck, man? Look at that guy on the left.
That guy looks like Superman. Doesn't he? Look how hot that guy is. I almost feel like it's not
Speaker 1: Is that car Candace open?
Speaker 0: It might be. I feel like someone's fucking with it.
Speaker 1: There's a few other pictures when
Speaker 0: I Googled, like, you know, That is
Speaker 1: some rough pictures, though.
Speaker 0: It seems like someone's fucked with us, because that guy's handsome as fuck. Because there's this one that's not the same. No. That one's terrible. What is that?
That's not real. That's Satan's drawing.
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 0: But that one right there, if that is real, it's like, come on. That's that's not real.
Speaker 1: This is This is bullshit.
Speaker 0: That's bullshit. Because look at the what they did with the girl. Yeah. Oh, wow. Look at that picture there.
Even that picture is But Carla looks like she's melting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. I don't I have
Speaker 0: to I mean But she's probably massively depressed. I mean, I bet, like, that's also, like, it's artist Interpretation of the energy she's giving off in court. I mean, she has to rat on her boyfriend, and she's already pleaded guilty. And, you know, for a lesser And she's gonna rat him out? Well, I I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: who SPF's PR team is, but they, they're doing an incredible job.
Speaker 0: For real? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I mean, the dude roofed tons of people off and stole their money, and yet he he's getting basically, You know, background from the press.
Speaker 0: Well, don't you think that's because the amount of money that he donated?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. So I don't know what to do
Speaker 0: It might have something to do with that. I'm not that cynical. I I generally don't think people are influenced by money. Well, I don't know what he's doing, but Something's going on.
Speaker 1: The number of articles that I've seen where it's like you know, where it's basically, You know, a misunderstood Yeah. Philanthropist, is ridiculous.
Speaker 0: Well, Your bullshit meter went off when he was offering money to buy in with you with Twitter. Correct? Well, a large amount. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean, a lot of people, you know, Fell for his bullshit. But, I mean, I first of all, I I haven't really heard of the guy. I'm like, who who is this guy? And, What did he do? And he's in the Bahamas?
That's that's pretty sus to begin with.
Speaker 0: He's very sus.
Speaker 1: Like, who's who's, like if you're on a tropical island, like, Yeah. Finance organizations in tropical islands are generally have a bad track record.
Speaker 0: He's involved in crypto.
Speaker 1: And crypto is
Speaker 0: Which is what?
Speaker 1: There's a lot of skit the the the scam probably in crypto is high.
Speaker 2: It's high.
Speaker 0: So Yeah. I'm not saying it's all scams, but that I would leave that distinction for, For v what are those fucking NFTs? NFTs. That's, like, 80% scam. Except for Beeple.
Beeple's legit. I mean What gives you, like, digital art?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Beeple's stuff is great. But, I mean, NFT is the funny thing is that the NFT is not even on the blockchain. It's just a URL To the, to the the JPEG. So it's not even, like it's, like, you should at least encode the JPEG in the blockchain because, like, if the URL if the company housing the image goes out of business, you don't have the image anymore.
Speaker 0: I never understood it. I tried so hard. I tried so hard. I know I have a friend who made millions just selling an artist. I'm, like, okay.
Save that money because, eventually, people are gonna figure this out. Like I
Speaker 1: mean, this this with with art, there is a fair bit of money laundering And, tax avoidance, that is that is, so some of these things have seemed inexplicable. Like Hunter Biden?
Speaker 0: You didn't talk about Hunter Biden's paintings?
Speaker 1: Alright. Did he actually sell tradings for large sums of money?
Speaker 0: Immense sums of money. Okay.
Speaker 1: It's
Speaker 0: Hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 1: Probably that that that seems unlikely to be a legit transaction.
Speaker 0: Unlikely. Right?
Speaker 1: Unlikely. Yeah.
Speaker 0: The work's not bad, though. I gotta say. Like, for that kind of bullshit art, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the thing is that it's it's hard to price art Right. Because it's in the eye of the beholder. So how can you say whether something
Speaker 0: Like, this is this stuff. How much did that go for? 225 k? A steal. It's
Speaker 1: not bad.
Speaker 0: Not that bad. That's not that bad.
Speaker 1: It seems like I
Speaker 0: mean, I would buy that. I wouldn't buy it for 2.25, but, I'll buy it for 5. Yeah. It's not bad. Like, look.
A lot of crackheads are good artists. Like, you know, you get crazy on drugs and splatter some shit around, and you got a unique vision. That's not bad.
Speaker 1: That's not bad.
Speaker 0: That's not that is not bad at all. Yeah. How much does that one go for? I don't know. So he's, like, he's probably legit.
Meanwhile, we're gonna find out. He had a
Speaker 1: ghost artist. I I mean, I suspect he I mean, I I think, he he's he's not untalented. Right. So, I mean, I I actually don't have any issues with his his lifestyle or anything.
Speaker 0: There's his stuff. That stuff's not bad. Like, whatever that dog wolf thing is on the wall, that's Pretty dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: I like that. What does it say underneath it? Can you read it? I can't read it. Either way, no.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not bad. It's not bad.
Speaker 0: Have you ever heard the theory that the entire Modern art movement like Jackson Pollock and the like was a a CIA psyop.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have heard that, but I I have not heard any evidence for it.
Speaker 0: I read the article a couple years ago.
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@joerogan challenged @PeterHotez for publicly agreeing with a Vice article. This presents an opportunity for a debate with a wide audience. @joerogan also mentioned a deleted tweet by @PeterHotez.
@joerogan - Joe Rogan
This is a non answer. I challenged you publicly because you publicly quote tweeted and agreed with that dogshit vice article. If you’re really serious about what you stand for, you now have a massive opportunity for a debate that will reach the largest audience a discussion…
@PeterHotez - Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD
Joe, you have my cell, my email, I’m always willing to speak with you
@joerogan - Joe Rogan
Peter, if you claim what RFKjr is saying is “misinformation” I am offering you $100,000.00 to the charity of your choice if you’re willing to debate him on my show with no time limit.
@PeterHotez - Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD
Spotify Has Stopped Even Sort of Trying to Stem Joe Rogan’s Vaccine Misinformation. It’s really true @annamerlan just awful. And from all the online attacks I’m receiving after this absurd podcast, it’s clear many actually believe this nonsense https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zz9z/spotify-rogan-rfk-vaccine-misinformation-policy
Spotify Has Stopped Even Sort of Trying to Stem Joe Rogan’s Vaccine Misinformation
As a recent conversation between the podcast host and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. makes clear.
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@joerogan - Joe Rogan
By the way, @PeterHotez , I saw this tweet that you deleted.
