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I read that Jaeson Jones, a former Texas DPS captain, describes cartel use of industrial-scale chemical precursors. In 13 months, the Mexican Navy seized 800 tons and monitors 71 precursors daily (far more than the expected 20). Cartels import chemicals to make more chemicals, staying ahead of regulation. This is not just a narcotics issue but a national security challenge, with fast-changing analogs and global networks.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
CHEMICAL WARFARE AT OUR PORTS Jaeson Jones is a former Texas DPS captain, border security strategist, and one of the country’s leading experts on cartel operations. In Episode 67 of Going Rogue with Lara Logan, he sits down with Lara to explain what he witnessed firsthand while embedded with the Mexican Navy. Lara presses him on the scale of the chemical flow coming into Mexico from Southeast Asia and China. Jaeson asked a Mexican Navy captain how many precursor chemicals they monitor daily. He expected maybe twenty. The answer: seventy-one. In just thirteen months, the Mexican Navy seized 800 tons of chemical precursors. Lara and Jaeson break down what that really means. This is not small scale trafficking. It is industrial level chemical supply chains designed to stay ahead of law enforcement. Cartels are importing chemicals that make the chemicals that make the chemicals that produce the drugs. While the public debate stays focused on fentanyl and its latest variants, cartel chemists are constantly modifying analogs faster than governments can regulate them. Lara underscores the broader point: this is not just a narcotics issue. It is a national security issue. From synthetic opioids to mercury used in illegal mining operations across Mexico and South America, these networks are diversified, adaptive, and global. Jaeson’s warning is clear. The cartels are operating at a scale and speed that challenges traditional intelligence models. Watch Episode 67 now: https://bit.ly/goingrogue-ep67 @GoingRoguewLara @jaeson_jones #LaraLogan #JaesonJones #CartelNetworks #FentanylCrisis #NationalSecurity
@laralogan - Lara Logan
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@PeterBernegger - Peter Bernegger
🚨 LAWSUIT FILED A federal lawsuit has been filed in Washington, D.C. against the FEC for unlawfully refusing to act on a sworn complaint exposing massive @ActBlue Smurfing. Patriot Julie Seegers @jewelsHND of Wisconsin filed pertaining to ActBlue's corruption: 🔹 $3,543,266,360 (that is billion with a “b”) alleged smurfed (laundered) contributions 🔹 Tied to 178,204,660 suspect transactions 🔹 From up to 281,434 unique straw / smurf identities 🔹 $10+ billion approximate value of uncoded / uncategorized receipts excluded from bulk FEC data 🔹 178+ MILLION suspect donations 🔹 Billions in structured, laundered contributions 🔹 Elderly & stolen identities 🔹 FEC missed its statutory deadline 🔹 388+ million uncoded receipt transactions 🔹 Systematic failure to apply FEC transaction codes 🔹 Inconsistent use of memo text to mask receipt type 🔹 Inability for the public to trace whether funds went “to” or “through” ActBlue 🔹 ActBlue’s internal knowledge of fraud (House Admin subpoenas) 🔹 Lowering fraud controls after detecting abuse 🔹 Acceptance of donations despite red flags (IP, volume, AVS, CVV absence) 🔹 Identity theft & elder financial exploitation (predicate crimes = RICO) 🔹 Ignored FEC rulemaking obligations 🔹 No CVV requirement (3 digit no. on back of card) 🔹 Use of prepaid cards 🔹 Donations from foreign IP addresses using U.S. intermediaries 🔹 Ignoring bank SARs (suspicious activity reports) 🔹 Systematic evasion of public oversight 🔹 Intentional design choices to keep transactions out of bulk FEC data 🔹 Forcing investigators onto throttled APIs 🔹 Hiding suspicious activity from public analysis 🔹 Earmarking & conduit violations 🔹 Misuse of 24T (treasury out) to avoid scrutiny 🔹 Blurring between ActBlue’s own funds and earmarked donations 🔹 Possible direction or control over recipients 🔹 Inconsistent conduit reporting by downstream committees 🔹 Failure to maintain accurate internal records 🔹 No reliable audit trail linking receipts to disbursements 🔹 Impossible reconciliation between receipts and treasury-out transfers 🔹 Changing historical data at the FEC level This is no longer an allegation. It’s now federal litigation. Procedurally at this time the suit had to be filed against the FEC. #ActBlue #Smurfing #FEC #ElectionIntegrity #CampaignFinance @BryanSteil @JamesComer @realDonaldTrump @HarmeetKDhillon @TulsiGabbard @SecScottBessent @SecretService @JasonMiyaresVA @KenPaxtonTX @FBI @gatewaypundit @WinRed @BobCushman1776 @FBIDirectorKash @canncon @C_3C_3 @AbsoluteWithE @PatrickByrne
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As a mother, this interview was tough. I didn’t give my kids the Covid vaccine; like many, I woke up to concerns about vaccines. I started by vaccinating on schedule, now I’m informed and pissed. Parents should know what Dr Sherri Tenpenny studied and revealed, using their own data.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
As a mother, this interview was tough. I did not give my children the Covid vaccine - like so many others it took this experimental shot to wake me up to the dangers of all vaccines. By I did start out like so many - vaccinating my kids on schedule from birth. Now I am better informed & I am pissed. Every parent should know what Dr Sherri Tenpenny has studied & revealed - using their own data.
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I spoke with Dr. Timothy V. Shindelar, who describes a “rear guard” inside federal agencies—the loyal network that controls what leadership sees. Leaders can be quietly undermined if not surrounded by people who share their vision. He cites a president’s anti-corruption directive and an attorney general’s pledge, yet an assistant US attorney blocks investigations. He pins it on CIGIE, saying it protects misconduct and buries inquiries.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
When Lara Logan asked Dr. Timothy V. Shindelar, Colonel USMC (Ret.) and Federal Whistleblower, how this kind of subversion happens, he said, “This is what the rear guard does.” The rear guard, he says, is the loyal network inside federal agencies that controls what the boss sees and what never reaches their desk. If leaders are not surrounded by people who share their vision, they are quietly undermined. He explains how the president signs a directive to stop corruption, the attorney general vows to enforce it, yet an assistant US attorney tells investigators not to look at DOJ corruption. Illegal. Coordinated. Not acting alone. Dr. Shindelar says it comes from CIGIE, the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency. CIGIE oversees all Inspector Generals and protects its own. The system meant to ensure integrity has become the command center that buries investigations and shields misconduct. Going Rogue with Lara Logan EP. 48 THE SET UP Watch Full Episode Below. ⬇️ #GoingRogue #LaraLogan #TimothyShindelar #Whistleblower #CIGIE #RearGuard #Truth
Video Transcript AI Summary
The conversation centers on a so-called “rear guard” and how it operates inside the U.S. government, as described by the speakers.
- Speaker 0 asks about the identity and role of the “rear god/rear guard.”
- Speaker 1 defines the rear guard as a group ideologically driven to a particular point of view not shared by the current administration, and asserts that it is organized.
- The mechanism of influence is explained: in a large, geographically dispersed organization, if one doesn’t have a loyal team, the team can undermine leadership. The claim is that even with good intentions, without a loyal crew, the organization won’t respond to the boss, leading to actions that bypass or undermine higher authority.
- The discussion claims a current case where the president signs a presidential policy directive stating that corruption will not be tolerated, and the attorney general issues a memorandum declaring alignment with the boss to fix corruption inside the department. The attorney general allegedly helps set up a weaponization working group, and an assistant U.S. attorney asserts representation of The United States of America while saying they do not want an investigation into corruption involving the DOJ. The speakers label this as illegal and a violation of jurisprudence and canons for a government attorney.
- The question is asked: who directed the assistant attorney general to act this way? Speaker 1 suggests that, as an investigator, one would subpoena the assistant to determine who directed them and who told them to do what, implying chain-of-command exposure—but cannot provide the name in this moment.
- They insist that the actions are not random but come from the rear guard. The whistleblower disclosure is mentioned: before Pam Bondi’s appointment, a disclosure claimed that all assistant U.S. attorneys who had worked for Jack Smith should be investigated, but nothing was done to hold anyone accountable, and those involved were let go. The disclosure’s author is not named in the moment, but Speaker 1 says they will provide it.
- The rear guard is further described as an organized group; the organization named is the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (SIGI). The discussion covers SIGI’s creation in 2008, in conjunction with legislation and Senator Grassley, as a bipartisan effort to establish an independent entity inside the executive branch to oversee, train, educate, and provide counsel for all inspectors general.
- The speakers explain that SIGI operates within the executive branch but is independent; the implied tension is whether an entity can be independent while being “inside” the executive branch, challenging the unitary executive view that the president controls the entire executive branch.
- They discuss the concept of the administrative state: unelected officials who operate with their own power, suggesting a two-tiered system in America between “them and us.” They note that this view affects multiple agencies, including the Department of Justice and the EPA.
- The president’s belief in leading the country by the majority is noted, along with the tension between the executive branch and the administrative state, which allegedly believes it serves its own interests rather than those of elected leaders. The dialogue hints at a broader narrative where the president is not always perceived as fully in charge, and a cultural portrayal—via media—that suggests the president is not the sole driver of policy.
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Speaker 0: I asked you how does this happen, and you said this is what the rear god does. Who is the rear god, and what is the rear god?
Speaker 1: The rear god.
Speaker 0: And how are they able to do this? When
Speaker 1: you run a complex organization, a large organization, if you don't want the boss to see things, you simply take care of it. Just doesn't get to their desk. It's just I mean, when you have an organization of, say, 15 or 20,000 people geographically dispersed across the nation, A broom sweeps only what it touches. And if you're not holding the broom, it's not sweeping. And you could have the best intentions in the world.
But if you don't have a loyal crew, a loyal group of people that share your vision, then they can undermined you. And that's exactly what's occurring. They're undermining them. I mean, let's be honest. For the state of play for this case right now, we have to believe.
We have to believe that the president of The United States signs out a presidential policy directive and he specifically says, we're not gonna tolerate this anymore. The attorney general signs out a memorandum that says, I'm in absolute lockstep with my boss and we're going to fix the corruption that exists inside the department. And then she goes so far as to set up a weaponization working group yet an assistant attorney an assistant attorney says I represent The United States Of America, and I don't want you to investigate corruption that specifically involves the DOJ. Not only is it completely bereft, it's illegal. It it violates every rule, every canon, and every rule of jurisprudence.
It's against the very canons for being a lawyer even, not to mention a governmental attorney.
Speaker 0: Okay. I understand that.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do that by himself. He he didn't just volunteer to do it. He didn't just say one day, hey. I'll just do that. He was directed to do it.
Now
Speaker 0: By who?
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. Now if someone were to ask me as an investigator, I know what I would do. Why? Well, I would simply subpoena him immediately and I would ask him, are you now representing The United States Of America or did someone tell you to do this? And if they did, who?
And I would work my way up the chain Mhmm. Just the way you're supposed to. I mean, this isn't
Speaker 0: Well, these are the answers the American people want.
Speaker 1: And Not not want. They need.
Speaker 0: Yes. Need.
Speaker 1: Their nation our nation our nation is only as strong as the quality of people who volunteer to perform these things.
Speaker 0: So who do you believe is directing him? What does your investigation and your research show? What is the rear guard?
Speaker 1: We had a whistleblower who sent a a a an official disclosure to the acting attorney general before Pam Bondi was even put in office. And we and he said to him that all of the assistant US attorneys that had worked for Jack Smith need to be investigated. But they didn't investigate him. They simply just let him go. Without any accountability, without any statutory obligatory requirement to who told you to do what, why did you do what you did.
Speaker 0: So they let them off the hook.
Speaker 1: They simply let them go.
Speaker 0: I know but who? That doesn't answer the question.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the that was the acting assistant the the acting attorney general.
Speaker 0: K. But who directed it?
Speaker 1: I'll get you the disclosure. I don't the I don't have the name right on top of my head, but I'll get you the disclosure.
Speaker 0: That's of who he was, but who directed him to do that?
Speaker 1: I cannot answer that question, but he can.
Speaker 0: Right. But the point is that you're making is that that these things are not random. They're not arbitrary. They're part so this again, is this coming from the rear guard?
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Okay. So what is the rear guard? Can you explain that?
Speaker 1: The the rear guard is a group of people that are ideologically driven to a particular point of view, and that point of view is not shared by the current administration.
Speaker 0: But is it organized? Of course, it's organized. So what's the organization then?
Speaker 1: Council of the Inspectors General and Integrity and Efficiency.
Speaker 0: Which is what?
Speaker 1: The SIGI.
Speaker 0: The SIGI.
Speaker 1: Yes. A system that was designed to ensure the programs and operations of the federal government were effective and efficient. The whole point was when Elon Musk came in and performed the duties of the inspectors general for the government, everybody acted shocked when they went, hey. There's like money hemorrhaging everywhere. Wow.
Nobody seems to know what's going on. But funny, the only people that were statutorily required programs and operations effectiveness efficiency of the government specifically created by Congress were the inspectors general and they said nothing.
Speaker 0: Was their Nothing.
Speaker 1: It was not only their job, they failed at their job.
Speaker 0: Yeah, but their job as they were required by law, they were created for that purpose.
Speaker 1: Specifically for that purpose.
Speaker 0: Okay. But the so we're talking about the Council for Inspector Generals on Integrity and Efficiency, SIGI.
Speaker 1: Right? When
Speaker 0: was that created?
Speaker 1: 1978.
Speaker 0: No. The question is about SIGI. When was SIGI created?
Speaker 1: 2008. By? It was done in conjunction the the legislation was done in conjunction with, senator Grassley.
Speaker 0: So this is under president Obama
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Working with senator Grassley.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: So this is a bipartisan
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Effort, sort of Republican, Democrat. Yes. They together created the council
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: For Inspector Generals for Integrity and Efficiency, which functions as what?
Speaker 1: It acts as an independent entity established in the executive branch to oversight, train, educate, and provide individual counsel for all inspectors general. It answers unto itself.
Speaker 0: Okay. How can it be an independent entity
Speaker 1: inside Because the executive congress established it as an independent entity inside the executive branch.
Speaker 0: How can you be inside the executive branch and not be answerable to the president?
Speaker 1: Well, you can if you don't believe in the unitary executive that the president owns the executive branch. You can do that.
Speaker 0: Wow. So who do they believe owns the executive branch?
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. The president thinks he does.
Speaker 0: Oh, the whole country thinks he does.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, the country agrees with him, but there is such a thing as we call the administrative state. Yes. We have this thing called the administrative state where we
Speaker 0: have a Unelected officials. Yes. Who, as far as the American people so when they say it's a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. Yes.
Speaker 1: They don't mean it. Sometimes sometimes people refer to the Department of Justice as the Department of Just US, US. Just us. There is a two tiered system in America, and that two tiered system is them and us.
Speaker 0: And it applies to everything?
Speaker 1: Everything. Every aspect of
Speaker 0: our life.
Speaker 1: Oh, no. Every aspect of our life. Everything from the EPA to everything.
Speaker 0: You will live by these rules, but we won't. You will think you're making decisions, but we're really making them.
Speaker 1: Yes. And I think perhaps the most important part, and and the president clearly struggles with this rightfully so all the time, is he believes, and I don't wanna put words in his mouth, but he believes that he got elected by the majority of the people to lead the country.
Speaker 0: So that's what the people believe too.
Speaker 1: Yes. And he runs the executive branch. And if you're in the executive branch and you're taking a paycheck that comes via the executive branch, you work for him. Now the administrative state believes that they work for themselves. What's in the best interest of the nation?
In other words, just because you were elected to office will let you ride in the car but you can't drive the car.
Speaker 0: Which is why they do all these movies that show the president as a buffoon and an idiot and just a face. Right? They're always laughing at the president.
Speaker 1: And it's an insult and it's an insult. And not only is it an
Speaker 0: But it's a message.
Speaker 1: Yes. Of course. It's to prepare us to believe that
Speaker 0: That the president's not really in charge.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And half the country is wrong.
reSee.it AI Summary
I argue the deep state is real, centralized, and run through the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency. Every complaint goes to an IG, and each IG answers to CIGIE; whistleblower cases against its members disappear; records aren’t FOIA-able. A tiny circle oversees 2.3 million federal employees. I name the officials who shaped this system and show how it protects allies and punishes dissent. This is not part of the deep state; this is the deep state.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
When people talk about the deep state, most imagine something vague. Dr. Timothy V. Shindelar, Colonel USMC (Ret.), Federal Whistleblower, says it’s real, centralized and run through the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency. Every complaint goes to an Inspector General, and every IG answers to CIGIE. Whistleblower cases against its members disappear. Records cannot be FOIA’d. A tiny circle controls oversight of 2.3 million federal employees. Dr. Shindelar names the officials who have shaped this system for years and shows how it protects allies and punishes dissent. This is not part of the deep state. This is the deep state. EP. 48 THE SET UP: How America’s Domestic Enemies Plan To Get Away With Sedition Watch Full Episode Below. ⬇️ #GoingRogue #LaraLogan #TimothyShindelar #Whistleblower #CIGIE #DomesticEnemies #Truth
Video Transcript AI Summary
When people talk about the deep state, in a sense, this is the commanding control of a major part of the deep state.
No. It is the commanding control of the deep state. Congress said, we want comprehensive oversight on both operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and we want a plan for oversight and we're going to delegate this directly to the chair of the SIGI.
I see. So you really worked for the chair of the SIGI.
Well, this is the interesting piece. He in turn delegates it down to the IG at the DOD. Yeah. And I'm working for him.
Yeah. So, you're working directly for the inspector general at DOD.
But for the SIGI actually.
But in effect
You really were working for the SIGI.
You bet.
And who at the SIGI?
Michael E Horowitz. Wow.
Horowitz? Yes. One of the worst. Yes. One of the absolute worst. Horowitz of Russia collusion fame.
Yes.
Who now is at is not out of the government, who now is at the Federal Reserve.
Right. Maybe.
Ready to come back.
Right. Still probably providing emeritus status on the SIGI.
What was his position officially at
the He was the DOJ IG.
He was the inspector general at DOJ.
And he replaced Glenn Fine who went to DOD.
Wow. It's a really nice tightrope. And his deputy then
went on to become the DODIG. And his deputy was spent thirty years over in The US Attorney's Office District Of Columbia.
They really have it all sewn up, don't they?
The assistant FBI director for integrity and ethics were for Glenn Fine and runs the DO runs the FBI. Yes. Think of the Siggy as an integrated command and control center.
So, the buck stops with them. Yes. Because every complaint that is made. In any agency whatsoever goes to the Inspector General, and from those IGs report to the SIGI and it dies.
And are investigated by the SIGI.
And are investigated by the SIGI and it all dies. That's whistleblower complaints actually go to die.
If it's against the members of the SIGI.
Unless it's in their interest to prosecute it.
Politically, yes.
So, when people talk about the deep state, in a sense, this is the command and control of a major part of the deep state.
No. It is the command and control of the deep state. It's in every bureau, every board, every agency, and every commission. One person, 2,300,000 people in the executive branch. I only need about 40 people to run the whole show.
As long as you ensure that no one can foil my records, as long as everything I do is law enforcement sensitive, and as long as anybody that is a whistleblower can get collective punishment.
Which is what you have seen with over 700 documented cases of people who've been
Retaliated against.
We see it every day.
We see it every day.
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Speaker 0: So when people talk about the deep state in a sense, this is the commanding control of a major part of the deep state.
Speaker 1: No. It is the commanding control of the deep state. Congress said, we want comprehensive oversight on both operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and we want a plan for oversight and we're going to delegate this directly to the chair of the SIGI.
Speaker 0: I see. So you really worked for the chair of the SIGI.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the interesting piece. He in turn delegates it down to the IG at the DOD. Yeah. And I'm working for him.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So, you're working directly for the inspector general at DOD.
Speaker 1: But for the SIGI actually.
Speaker 0: But in effect
Speaker 1: You bet.
Speaker 0: You really were working for the SIGI.
Speaker 1: You bet.
Speaker 0: And who at the SIGI?
Speaker 1: Michael E Horowitz. Wow.
Speaker 0: Come on. Horowitz? Yes. One of the worst. Yes.
Yes. One of the absolute worst. Horowitz of Russia collusion fame.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Who now is at is not out of the government, who now is at the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 1: Right. Maybe.
Speaker 0: Ready to come back.
Speaker 1: Right. Still probably providing emeritus status on the SIGI.
Speaker 0: What was his position officially at
Speaker 1: the He was the DOJ IG.
Speaker 0: He was the inspector general at DOJ.
Speaker 1: And he replaced Glenn Fine who went to DOD.
Speaker 0: Wow. It's a really nice tightrope. And his deputy then
Speaker 1: went on to become the DODIG. And his deputy was spent thirty years over in The US Attorney's Office District Of Columbia.
Speaker 0: They really have it all sewn up, don't they?
Speaker 1: The assistant FBI director for integrity and ethics were for Glenn Fine and runs the DO runs the FBI. Yes. Think of the Siggy as an integrated command and control center.
Speaker 0: So, the buck stops with them. Yes. Because every complaint that is made. In any agency whatsoever goes to the Inspector General, and from those IGs report to the SIGI and it dies.
Speaker 1: And are investigated by the SIGI.
Speaker 0: And are investigated by the SIGI and it all dies. That's whistleblower complaints actually go to die.
Speaker 1: If it's against the members of the SIGI.
Speaker 0: Unless it's in their interest to prosecute it.
Speaker 1: Politically, yes.
Speaker 0: So, when people talk about the deep state, in a sense, this is the command and control of a major part of the deep state.
Speaker 1: No. It is the command and control of the deep state. It's in every bureau, every board, every agency, and every commission. One person, 2,300,000 people in the executive branch. I only need about 40 people to run the whole show.
As long as you ensure that no one can foil my records, as long as everything I do is law enforcement sensitive, and as long as anybody that is a whistleblower can get collective punishment.
Speaker 0: Which is what you have seen with over 700 documented cases of people who've been
Speaker 1: We see it every day.
Speaker 0: Retaliated against.
Speaker 1: We see it every day.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
The lunatics have taken over & they are running the asylum. This is about eliminating the natural food supply so they can control humanity.
@LonesomeLands - Lonesome Lands
The Beef Checkoff is now teaching students how cattle are bad for the climate. Here is a direct quote from the one of the checkoff funded lessons called: Methane and Cattle: A Climate Connection "In this task, students explore how biological processes within a cow’s digestive system lead to the production of methane, a greenhouse gas. Students examine how ruminant animals, such as cattle, break down plant materials through microbial fermentation, the role methanogenic microbes play, and how methane released into the atmosphere traps heat and can alter climate conditions."
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I served 24 years in the CIA; the agency is defeated, penetrated by enemies who now influence U.S. foreign policy. It’s time to shut it down and build an OSS-style service with a dedicated MI5-type counterintelligence arm.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
“I was in the CIA for 24 years. The agency has been defeated. We’ve been penetrated so badly that our enemies now influence U.S. foreign policy. It’s time to shut the CIA down and build an OSS-style service with a dedicated MI5-type counterintelligence arm.” — Gary Berntsen, former CIA operations officer EP. 45 STOLEN ELECTIONS Watch Full Episode Below. ⬇️ #GoingRogue #LaraLogan #GaryBerntsen #Intelligence #NationalSecurity #Counterintelligence
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I read that Bill Gates calls vaccines the greatest return on investment and cites overpopulation as the biggest issue. In a TED Talk he allegedly described vaccines and modern medicine as capable of reducing global population by 10–15%, then reportedly walked it back, only to repeat it in a follow-up video. The piece asks if questioning population control is a conspiracy theory, referencing Going Rogue with Lara Logan, ep. 43.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
“Bill Gates says it over and over. Vaccines are the greatest return on investment he has ever had. And overpopulation is the biggest issue of our time.” In his own TED Talk, Gates describes how new vaccines and modern medicine could lower global population by 10 to 15 percent. They tried to walk it back, then he repeated the same message in the next video. So when people call it a conspiracy theory to question population control, is it? Going Rogue with Lara Logan EP. 43 INJECTING TRUTH INTO THE VACCINE DEBATE With @delbigtree Watch Full Episode Below. ⬇️ #GoingRogue #LaraLogan #DelBigtree #BillGates #MedicalFreedom #Truth #PopulationControl
Video Transcript AI Summary
Speaker 0 repeats two major statements he attributes to someone else: vaccines are the greatest return on investment I’ve ever had, and my number one goal and the biggest issue of our time is overpopulation. He asserts that this is not accidental, claiming that there is a Ted Talk in which the heart of the message is that through modern medicine and vaccines, we can reduce the population of the world.
Speaker 1 adds data to the discussion by noting that the world today has 6,800,000,000 people, and that number is headed up to about 9,000,000,000. He states that if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that population by perhaps 10–15%.
Speaker 0 then references the claim as something that “came out of his mouth,” acknowledging he is paraphrasing and not reproducing it exactly, but notes that they tried to retract it. He continues by saying that in the next video, the person is doing a whole thing on how we need to reduce the population of the world, arguing that there are too many people and that this abundance is causing the world’s problems. He emphasizes that when anyone questions these ideas, it can be labeled a conspiracy theory to say that vaccines are involved, prompting him to ask whether such labeling is accurate.
Throughout the exchange, the speakers juxtapose vaccine benefits with population control rhetoric. The first speaker stresses that vaccines constitute a major return on investment and connects vaccines to reducing global population growth, while the second speaker provides projected population figures and suggests that vaccines, health care, and reproductive health services could modestly lower future population totals. The conversation also highlights disagreement over how these claims are presented and whether discussing population reduction in relation to vaccines constitutes a conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 0: He has two major statements that he says over and over again. Vaccines are the greatest return on investment I've ever had. And my number one goal and the biggest issue of our time is overpopulation. Yes. Right?
We need to reduce population. Doesn't say that accidentally. They needed the Ted TED talk where the heart of it is how through modern medicine and vaccines, we can reduce the population of the world.
Speaker 1: First, we've got population. The world today has 6,800,000,000 people. That's headed up to about 9,000,000,000. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 15%.
Speaker 0: That is a statement that came out of his mouth. I'm paraphrasing. Not exactly, but they tried to retract it. And then in the next video, he's doing a whole thing on how we need to reduce the population of the world. How there's too many people.
It's causing the problem. All the problems of the world. So when I'm like, you know, when any of us well, it's a conspiracy theory to say that vaccines are well, I mean, is it?
@laralogan - Lara Logan
Looks like Tina Peters may finally be getting out. Now is the time to speak up.
@GenFlynn - General Mike Flynn
.@realtinapeters (Tina Peters) is currently being held in a state facility in Colorado, but she possesses critical information as a potential federal witness in the current investigation ongoing into the stolen 2020 election. Federal authorities, including @AGPamBondi , in order to secure her critical testimony, must immediately move to have Tina released into federal custody. Additionally, a thorough investigation should be conducted into the judge who sentenced her to determine whether her imprisonment was proper or influenced by bias. Transparency and accountability are essential for justice to be served. @realDonaldTrump @JDVance
reSee.it AI Summary
In the latest episode, I delve into the fight against lawfare, highlighting Treniss Evans and the American Rights Alliance's efforts to expose a weaponized justice system. We discuss the events of January 6th, contrasting insurrection with "fed-surrection," and address the broken judicial system and rampant corruption. Topics include election integrity, false flag operations, and the unjust incarceration of Tina Peters. I also emphasize the importance of protecting parental rights and religious freedom while uncovering unethical prosecutorial misconduct.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
NEW EPISODE: LAWFARE UNDER FIRE: Treniss Evans & American Rights Alliance Lead the Charge Against a Weaponized Justice System | Ep 29 (00:00) - Fighting Back Against Lawfare (03:15) - Uncovering the Truth of January 6th (11:56) - Insurrection vs. Fed-surrection (21:26) - Lawfare (29:17) - The Broken Judicial System (35:18) - Insane Corruption (47:28) - Election Integrity (55:48) - False Flag Operations (01:03:57) - Unjust Incarceration of Tina Peters (01:10:12) - State vs Federal Election Laws (01:21:51) - Protecting Parental Rights and Religious Freedom (01:29:54) - Unethical Prosecutor's Misconduct Exposed (01:38:03) - Fighting for Justice and Parental Rights (01:43:21) - American Rights Alliance January 6th, lawfare, DOJ, Condemned USA, Department of Justice, false flag, government corruption, insurrection, fedsurrection @GoingRoguewLara @CondemnedUSA @DonateARA
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Trannis Evans, COO of American Rights Alliance, discusses lawfare as a political weapon and his work defending defendants from January 6, Tina Peters, James O'Keefe, and others in parental rights and religious liberty cases. He says Condemned USA helped hundreds of defendants; the raid on his home changed him. He describes the January 6 footage controversy: the Select Committee edited footage to imply Trump started the insurrection, citing the '02/24' narrative and 'the timestamp' changes. Peters case: she preserved election data with "forensic imaging" and a "trusted build"; a Colorado judge linked her First Amendment speech to danger. He argues Peters could receive a federal remedy via the supremacy clause and a potential Trump pardon. He notes James O'Keefe's lawsuit against Mark Zaid and Jamie Menina. Contact info: americanrightsalliance.org, info@americanrightsalliance.org.
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Speaker 0: I mean, when you little see little red dots all over your kid and you you see that horrific moment, it will do something unsettling to you. It will create a visceral reaction. It will forever change. It wasn't January 6 that changed. It wasn't the prosecution.
It was the raid on my home. The raid on my home is what created who I am now, and they're going to answer for these things. I'm gonna make sure of it. It fits with my dying breath.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Going Rogue with Lara Logan. And my guest this week is one of my favorite people in the whole world, Trannis Evans, who you may know from taking a shot of Fireball on January 6 in Nancy Pelosi's conference room, not office. But Trannis is not here, we'll talk a little bit about that, but really he's here because of the work that he's doing right now. Everybody in the country at this point is familiar with lawfare, which is the process by which people are using the legal system not for justice, but as a political weapon. Well, Travis Evans, you are now working for American Rights Alliance, their chief operating officer, I believe.
Speaker 0: Yes. That's correct.
Speaker 1: Okay. And so and what's interesting about American Rights Alliance is this is one way that people are fighting back against lawfare because you are helping a number of very interesting people from James O'Keefe, who everybody knows, needs no introduction, O'Keefe Media Group, original founder of Project Veritas, to Tina Peters, also someone who needs no introduction, a hero who fought for all of us and got the only copy of a Dominion voting machine before it could be erased. They really don't like Tina for that, not to mention a gold star mom and so on. And then a third case that we're going to talk about today, is really about parental rights and religious liberties, which goes to the heart for me as a mom of the heart of a lot of very important things today, which is really what happens to our children, right? How do we protect them from a political movement that is wrapped up in sexuality and transgenderism and and how the Biden administration went after this mom?
Really, you said it, and I'm stealing I'm gonna steal from you. How they prosecuted child trafficking under Joe Biden. As a mom sending her child away to boarding school versus, you know, actually prosecuting child traffickers. But, anyway, that's by way of introduction, you are a fellow Texan just up the road from me in Canyon Lake, and this is the most quiet I've ever seen you.
Speaker 0: Well, know, I was letting you get all that intro out. You have Laura, you always have so much to say. You know, the banter's always been good with you, that's for sure. We've had a great, great time over the years in the wake of such tragic incidents that we've been involved in and and had, so much interest in and taken so much time to actually help people understand correcting the false narrative of the Biden administration as it relates to January 6.
Speaker 1: Well, I do wanna say you are someone who has really fought for many of the j sixes. I think people quite realize it with Condemned USA, the organization that you created, and it was right here in Fredericksburg, Texas where we first met, wasn't it?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Actually, no. No. It's in San Antonio. San
Speaker 1: Antonio at the Reawakening Reawakened.
Speaker 0: Yes. Mickey Willis Courage nineteen Awards, that was that event.
Speaker 1: That's right. And you were waiting to go on the stage, and I was going out on the stage and we were both trapped there while someone was talking, and we started to chat. Right? Yeah. And it was just a couple of minutes, but, but then you came down to Fredericksburg to meet trying
Speaker 0: to figure out how it was that this guy was who is this guy going on after me?
Speaker 1: No. I just felt sorry for you, because you had to follow me.
Speaker 0: Because everyone well, we had to listen to you drone on
Speaker 1: all that time. Wasn't the first time.
Speaker 0: Or the
Speaker 1: It probably won't be the last. Okay, your mother is here hi mom.
Speaker 0: Hi mom.
Speaker 1: Who's also one of my favourite people. You want to come say hi mom? Yeah, come say hi. Aw. Come on, because I know your mother has been through hell and back because of you.
You're a wonderful woman. I know it's I been
Speaker 2: can never thank you enough for all the work that you have done for my son, Ajay Sixer, and for all of the others. I'm deeply moved by your work and I've always been by your body of work. Thank you. Always fighting for injustice. Aw.
Well Thank you both so much. Thank
Speaker 1: you both. Just
Speaker 0: She's been there. She's been in every
Speaker 1: step of the way.
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Speaker 0: Oh, yeah, I do. Well, when we were just talking and I couldn't I just wanted to tell people what I knew and people couldn't listen, you know, and you listened. A lot of people around the country, we had a lot of people come It was in to toxic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was literally like leprosy, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, Republicans, Conservatives did not want to touch it. They were all scared.
That's the truth.
Speaker 0: And you set up an event though. Yes. You set up an event.
Speaker 1: At a local winery here. Yeah. And what did you do that I didn't like?
Speaker 0: Oh, spoke for three hours of more than you?
Speaker 1: No. It wasn't that. You apologized.
Speaker 0: Oh, you're right. No. And I will tell you that that was the moment that you said, look, you gotta stop apologizing for that. What you did, going in the building and saying what you had to say, I think you were you had told me to stop apologizing.
Speaker 1: You've already there. Stood up on behalf of everyone in the country. You stood for free and fair elections. You told people in the building not to touch anything and to behave. I mean, you you didn't do anything wrong.
What are you apologizing for? You exercised your First Amendment rights as an American and that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 0: You know, the narrative, what was going on even had infected me, even though I knew the better, knew something real, I knew the truth, even though that I knew in my heart I what it saw how people looked at me, so it created a response. Right? It created this visceral reaction where you're looking at people, and I never forget, like, when I stood up to speak at that first event, people man, the looks on their faces. And then getting up and walking out of the room, there's people turning their back on it, wouldn't listen. They had to get up and walk out of the room because they had been told what happened.
And they said, I saw on TV, I saw what I saw, I know what happened in the story. And that was so many people lived that way. Until people like yourself and others that they trusted actually broke through
Speaker 1: Some of that davidsummerles.hate.com and there were many. Oh, you know, His Glory TV, Chris Burgard and Pastor Dave The
Speaker 0: advocates were many. General Flynn really stood up for this.
Speaker 1: Tarek Johnson. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Think about that. The people that came out and put exposed themselves, put themselves at risk. Tarek Johnson was one of them. You know, Shane Lamond Yeah. The police officer.
He's headed to prison in a couple of weeks if he doesn't get a pardon. Twenty five years of service to the Metro Police Department in DC, and he's gonna head to prison in yeah. Just a couple So he's the one that testified for the Proud Boys. And when he came to testify, they said, if you testify, we're gonna we could charge you. And they ultimately did.
He's been sentenced, and he's scheduled to turn himself in for prison here in August.
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah. So this is
Speaker 0: The Biden well, look, the Biden administration went after him, and the Trump administration's yet to come to the rescue. I have been on the phone with Ed Martin. I've been on the phone with Neil McCabe. I've been on the phone with Jared Weiss, who's now working there as, you know, The New York Times wanted to have an expose. I'm proud of that.
I worked hard to get Jared there, and I'm proud that Jared took that job, and we we worked hard on that. The right people in the right place at the right time to undo or unravel this injustice that took place, it's paramount to what it has to be.
Speaker 1: So this is one of the remarkable things really about your story is you're just a guy from Texas. You had a business, fairly successful, beautiful wife, Stephanie, and you got your boys, you went to the capital to protest an election that we all know was stolen.
Speaker 0: Oh, damn right it was.
Speaker 1: And that that's all about to come out, I think. Yeah. More than that. Right? But but you were then targeted, and and I wanna talk a little bit about your story, the amazing part to me was how you, in the midst of everything that you were going through, when you were under siege, you realized very quickly that most January 6 defendants didn't have the money or the resources or the I mean, just the ability to to get legal representation.
Even
Speaker 0: if you could write the check, right, you'd pick up the phone and you would call attorney after attorney after attorney, and they would say, oh, we're not handling that. We can't deal with January 6. You would find people in the paper that were representing a murderer or a rapist or some crime of moral turpitude, burning down the orphanage or what have you. Right? Yeah.
And that attorney would tell you, oh, I'm sorry. I can't take January 6 cases. We're not doing those. Yeah. And you're going, what are you talking about?
Like and so I'm trying to represent to them, like, look, I'm not even charged with violence or destruction or theft or property damage, none of these things. And they say, sorry, we're not touching January 6. The insurrection.
Speaker 1: The insurrection. That wasn't.
Speaker 0: Well, Laura, make it make sense. You'll never make this make sense. The most armed populace on the face of the planet came to throw overthrow largest weapons. The largest military industrial complex that ever existed, and they came without their rifles. Where's where where are the rifles?
You came you mean to tell me we came in the midst of children, and we came with grandmothers, and we came with plastic flagpoles and megaphones to overthrow the largest military industrial complex on the planet? Give me a break.
Speaker 1: With no plan, by the way, to how to hold the ground, how how to run run the new government. I mean, come on. It's the most pathetic thing ever. How about Enrique Tarrio and the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers who weren't even present Yeah. Who were actually they had to pin the insurrection on someone.
Well Right?
Speaker 0: Because This stitch together a narrative. We know that. I mean, that story is getting it's it's like to all of us, I think it's almost tired, but but it's not tired of the people like Dominic Pizzola and Joe Biggs and others that are yet that are yet to receive their pardon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who's still living with a commutation, which while it is, you know, hugely significant that president Trump did that and got them out of But out of we
Speaker 0: need to take the next step now.
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Speaker 0: Few people know lawfare better than president Trump himself. He lived it. He experienced it. He's seen. He's looked into the faces of evil, the Jack Smiths and others.
He's looked into the eyes of the Select Committee and these people that created these false narratives, delivered this to the American public, and worked with the media lap their media lapdogs to perpetuate said false narrative.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this is the thing about you, Trent, as though that I love, I really feel like represents the true American spirit because you, you know, you weren't politically connected either in the state of Texas or in Washington
Speaker 0: Before Donald Trump came on the scene, I was politically agnostic. Like I just said, there's both parties, they're screwing us. I'm not interested. I don't care what they have to say. I didn't vote.
I just didn't get involved. I just stayed out of it.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 0: And there was finally a guy came along. He runs 16. I didn't vote for him in 16. He comes along, I see the way he has his first administration, I go, holy crap. Somebody that's actually delivering on their promises.
Right. This is consistent with what I want. He speaks like an American citizen. He says things that aren't like the typical pundit that I you know, the the political sphere of things that are usual and makes empty promises and we're going to solve everything and it's going be great.
Speaker 1: We're to end the
Speaker 0: world hunger. Roads and bridges and this and that, and then we're going to take care of veterans, we're going to do all this, which is all lies and malarkey and it always is, and then finally a guy shows up and he's on the scene and he's doing it. I watch that and I'm like, I can get behind this. I believe in you. This is somebody I can believe in.
And because you actually tried against all odds, even when we had the house, we had this and we had everything, and he couldn't get things done because they subverted him. Just like they're subverting him now, where they won't let him have the sessions. They're gonna make sure they meet every so often so that we can't have the appointments, you know, in the in the dormant session. It's insanity.
Speaker 1: So that's but that's what I mean is that is so interesting about the American spirit because you weren't no matter what they threatened you with, no matter what they did to you, no matter what they threw at you, you were not going to bow.
Speaker 0: Well, look, I I wanna tell you, I mean, I wrestled with that. I mean, I gotta be honest. Right? I mean, it it Yeah. It hit me and I wrestled with it.
I know the moment that all fear left and that when all fear left was definitely was in I was in a church. I was at Word of Faith Fellowship, Lee Valentine, and I was sitting in that church and I watched the kids dancing through the aisles. And I had thought about my own kids, and they weren't there, and I thought wrestled long and hard about what I had to do. That was the moment. That was the moment where all fear left because I said, if I don't do this now, if I don't do what past generations have failed to do, if I don't stand up on my principles, on my morals, on what I believe, if I don't do that right here and now, then I'm not then I'm I'm nobody to myself.
I can never look at myself again and call myself a patriot or look at myself again and call myself a man because I'm leaving it to the children of tomorrow to deal with the things I'm too afraid to do today.
Speaker 1: And what were you facing at that time? What was that decision?
Speaker 0: You know, they they wanted to stick me in jail. Think, you know, they were they were asking for some time, and it wasn't that bad, but, Steve Metcalf was my attorney at the time, and he was like, look, shut up and go with the thing at the sentencing. And I was like, oh, no. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Did they want you to plead?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, I did. I took the I took the plea deal because I was facing the fifteen twelve, the infamous fifteen twelve obstruction of congress charge that was ultimately overturned by the Supreme Court. Yeah. The felony obstruction of congress because they had to dream something up to make this horrific.
Right? And they offered me finally the misdemeanor. But only after remember, I'd captured a federal human trafficking fugitive who escaped from prison, and then they wanted to cover that up as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was a totally unrelated random thing, a guy that had done some work for you. Yeah. And you saw that he was wanted and so you helped him
Speaker 0: capture Yeah. This individual, yeah. So I was actually responsible for the capture.
Speaker 1: And they just wanted to erase that.
Speaker 0: Oh, they wanted to pretend like that never happened. I mean, that Matthew Graves and the others that, you know, everything had to run through the committee all the
Speaker 1: way
Speaker 0: Who
Speaker 1: was Matthew Graves who was the US attorney in DC?
Speaker 0: Everything had to run through that committee. He was
Speaker 1: missed the January 6.
Speaker 0: Matthew Graves Demon. No. Look, their time will come. Rather than answer on this earth than it or beyond, it will come.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I have to say it, but, I mean, Matthew Perna, he was a January 6 who killed himself because of the pressure that Matthew Graves' Department of Justice Porto Mundo.
Speaker 0: He's well, don't forget Christopher Stanton was the first. Right? That's the first death Yeah. That we can attribute to January 6 of the defendants that happened after the fact. And then, you know, you now have over 20 deaths associated with January 6, and most of the world never knows, but they've never gone to see Stop Eight in the website there and watched the 22 death story.
There's so many of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Stophate.com for anyone who wants to see that. 22 deaths. Right? David Summull has done a lot of great work.
Oh, and and one of the big people who's done so much work, Gary.
Speaker 0: Gary McBride.
Speaker 1: Oh,
Speaker 0: yeah. I mean, I look, I started working with Gary in '21. Gary McBride endlessly did this to his own detriment. Yeah. He lost his family, lost his home because he had seen enough.
He'd seen the injustice. He saw it. I mean, he's the one that uncovered. Gary McBride is definitely unequivocally the guy that broke the Roseanne Boylan story. Had it not been for Gary McBride catching that, that what happened with Roseanne Boylan.
Speaker 1: Figuring out that Roseanne Boylan, who died on January 6, who they tried to, you know, sort of pass it off as an overdose death just because
Speaker 0: she The issue settled the that Lila Morris delivered on January 6 on the Capitol Steps that they paraded around as a hero at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And and Gary McBride, was the one who found that footage of her beating Roseanne.
Speaker 0: He gave it to Kara Castranova, and Kara broke
Speaker 1: the From the Gateway Pundit.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So it broke that's how the story broke. But Gary's the guy that found it, and after that, he was like a man possessed. He could never escape the injustice that he had seen because he heard what they said, how Roseanne Blund died.
Speaker 1: I know, it's funny, I think of Gary as a J Sixer, but he wasn't even there on January 6.
Speaker 0: No, he was at home It's in
Speaker 1: been his whole life ever since. Another Texan.
Speaker 0: Imagine that. David Summerall, a Texan. Gary McBride, a Texan. Lara Logan, myself. The list goes on of the amount of people that came from Texas that fought back against this.
Speaker 1: So, okay. Before we go on to American Rights Alliance and the legal work that you're doing there, Let's just you know what? Let's just clarify for the audience because I do think this is an important part of your story is how you're the guy in the stupid yellow beanie. Okay? Yeah.
It was a really bad outfit you chose that day, I gotta be honest. However I
Speaker 2: kinda liked it.
Speaker 1: However, it fortunately has the distinction of making you easily recognizable. I'm standing by
Speaker 0: my wardrobe choice.
Speaker 1: You got the boople horn and the yellow beanie and what's so significant about that is I know your story well, I know how you went into the capital, you told everybody not to touch anything, you did a shot at Fireball in Nancy Pelosi's conference room, and then you went out, and that's when you were on the steps afterwards, right, late in the afternoon after four Yeah. 04:17. Right. But the January 6 Select Committee did what with that footage?
Speaker 0: So the Select Committee uses that to their benefit to perpetrate the false narrative. And you gotta remember the Colorado ballot trial when they released it on 06/09/2022, and then later in the Colorado ballot case or Norma Jean Anderson et al, they used that. It was all built into their narrative to suggest that Donald Trump started the insurrection by his dog whistle, which I conveyed to the crowd at 02:24 in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Which was which was what?
Speaker 0: Which was a total lie.
Speaker 1: No. But what did you actually say?
Speaker 0: It was Donald Trump's tweets. I was reading them. They were coming Yeah. Yeah. They were coming over Twitter.
Right? And he was using somebody else's Twitter, and I was reading them for this gentleman approaches me. He's like, I gotta read this. I stood on the steps of the megaphone, read the entirety of these tweets, and what they do is they selectively edit and clip the ones that they want, and then only one they had was that Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to correct the blah blah blah. Right?
So Yeah. This story. But that's what they use, that's what they run, and they change and alter the timestamp and stick two twenty four on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that was important because?
Speaker 0: Well, because it enabled them to say that Donald Trump created that, and they showed the break of the line, and then they showed that, but what ultimately really happened is that was the time where they misfired the canister of obnoxious gas into their own police line, that's what broke down the police line, but they clip away from that. They selectively edit the footage to make sure.
Speaker 1: And so just so people understand, so really what the January 6 Select Committee did when they made their fake movie that was supposed to 06/09/2022. Yeah. Supposed to be what happened is they basically they took something that happened late in the afternoon, long after the violence of the West Tunnel and all the rest of it, and they moved that up and they created a fake timeline where they said, okay, here's Donald Trump speaking and here's, his guy, which was you in the capital. You would never miss him.
Speaker 0: I was the guy that started the insurrection according to a In your yellow beanie. At ABC producer James Goldstein Yeah. And the select committee. Somebody along the line somewhere in there absolutely fraudulently edited this, created the narrative, and delivered it to the American public to which
Speaker 1: they And made it look as if you you were acting on Donald Trump's orders and you triggered that insurrection at the Capitol. Right. And and, you know, the worst part is you were
Speaker 0: There's a catching worst part? I can't. I'm I'm lost. I don't ever know I'll never know what
Speaker 1: part is this. They there are so many cameras at the Capitol. You are on the security cameras. They all knew exactly what the timestamp was. Yeah.
So when they altered that timestamp, they knew exactly what they were doing, and they just don't care who they destroyed.
Speaker 0: They didn't care. They were look, they figured they're covered under speech and debate clause, they can say or lie and do whatever they want to the American people. Shocking news flash. Congress has lied to the American public.
Speaker 1: So okay. So you actually served time in in prison, in jail for your Yeah. For your crime.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I got to go to a maximum security federal institution.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're laughing now, but I did speak to you a couple of times when because you, the judge, allowed you to do it over several Weekends.
Speaker 0: I was supposed to do twenty days. This all had to do with the outcome because it was proven that they eventually emailed and provided the information that I did in fact capture the fugitive. The judge was furious that they'd been lying to her. Right? Yeah.
That came out. Then don't forget later the FBI is exposed for trying to force me to work for them in violation of that judge's court order that she wouldn't even hear. Had it been the other way around, I'd have gone to prison for sure.
Speaker 1: Then you had someone else try to get you to to traffic weapons across the tried everything to get you to mess up because you you were only charged in the end with a misdemeanor, but you did torture the judge by talking
Speaker 0: Convicted of a misdemeanor. Plead guilty to the misdemeanor. Noyly inner remaining in a restricted building or grounds. Yes. How dare I?
Speaker 1: And and you did torture the judge with a very very long
Speaker 0: Deputy Defense. Hours of that. I think there's probably two people that really enjoyed that. And then there was people, well, a lot of people really enjoyed it and so those that really regretted.
Speaker 1: How long was it?
Speaker 0: Hours long the first time. And then it went more the second time. I think the judge well, know, it's funny, I think you once said that I lulled her into
Speaker 1: Into a coma.
Speaker 0: Look, Judge Friedrich is the same judge it's holding right now, Dan Wilson. She's the reason that Dan Wilson, who's been issued a pardon, and Ed Martin, his acting US attorney, stepped up and said that the pardon applies. So that situation right now is why Dan Wilson's still sitting in prison rotting two months later.
Speaker 1: Because of that judge. Dabney Friedrich. That's disgusting.
Speaker 0: Don't forget who her husband is. Her husband is the same one that got the Alaska State Senator, Ted Stevens, with the false narrative, and then they later dropped it, which Emmett Sullivan, the judge, was a part of.
Speaker 1: Oh, Emmett Sullivan is a he's a piece of work.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Oh, thought you were gonna say what he really is, but okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, and he's the one that that even after the Department of Justice and the Attorney General admitted that they had no case against Mike Flynn, that they'd manufactured the case. He refused to drop it.
Speaker 0: No. Another man of courage, right? Mike Flynn? Another man of Yeah. He's been symbolic in leadership and the idea of how to respond to this kind of lawfare and what to do, and I think it drove him.
Look where he is now. He can't stop. He just keeps coming for them. And these things that were once called conspiracy theories in the McCaves and all the nonsense
Speaker 1: Now the evidence is out.
Speaker 0: The Russian gate and all the nonsense, Russian collusion, all this nonsense, and now where are we? How's that working out for them?
Speaker 1: But you know, what's what you did in creating this organization Condemned USA and then representing all these people, how many defendants were you able to assist with
Speaker 0: legal defendants? We spoke to at different times and worked with either the family member of over 600 defendants throughout the course of the four years in various stages, right? And some of it was as simple as helping someone just they needed money to get to the trial. Right? Yeah.
To go be at their son's trial, so we helped mothers. So we didn't really ever engage in legal defense. But hundreds of the cases, we were involved in legal defense through a number of the attorneys that we worked with, and that was awesome. I mean, Roger Roots was on the front line of that, George Palace on the front line, Jonathan Gross on the front line.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't easy finding those guys.
Speaker 0: No, and then you know what's funny is once we found them, it was like, hey, I need you to take another one, and another, and another, We just kept laying them on them, and they couldn't say no because it's like, okay, this is another injustice. So those men, God bless those men.
Speaker 1: Have bless those to say, because I mean, you and I were in contact throughout, and I called you many times because people would bring their stories to me, know, or people were being charged two years later, three years later, they were terrified, and families were terrified. There was a woman in her late sixties, early seventies in this town who was charged. How would you
Speaker 0: not be terrified when the federal government is using the Joint Terrorism Task Force when they show up? They're whining about I love this. Illegals broke into our country, and they stand where they stand today, and people are whining about the idea that there's masked men coming. Has anyone not watched the videos of the Joint Terrorism Task Force raiding 1,600 legal American citizens? Have these same people not recognized as I listen to these lunatic Democrats?
Oh, they're having to drink from the same place as the commode and where they would defecate. I'm like, what do you think prison is? Have you never been there? Know. Suddenly, Democrats don't know what a prison looks like or how that works or what every January 6 was subjected to, and they wanna complain about the conditions for the illegals that have broken into the country.
Yeah. But they didn't care about 1,600 American citizens who were being bludgeoned with lawfare, which is exactly why we created Condemned USA.
Speaker 1: Like the guys who put weapons pointed weapons at your son's head
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At 14 years old.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, when you see little red dots all over your kid and you you see that horrific moment, it will do something unsettling to you. It will create a visceral reaction. It will forever change. It wasn't January 6 that changed me.
It wasn't the it wasn't the prosecution. It was the raid on my home. The raid on my home is what created who I am now, They're going to answer for these things. I'm gonna make sure of it. It fits with my dying breath.
Speaker 1: And your son is such a lovely young man.
Speaker 0: He is. Tristan's an awesome kid.
Speaker 1: He really is.
Speaker 0: He really is doing great. It's amazing what he's come through.
Speaker 1: And your poor wife has been long suffering because really, when when they picked a fight with you, you took it on completely. Headlong.
Speaker 0: I was never going to back down. There's not one ounce of quitting me.
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Thank goodness for your mom standing at your side the whole time.
Speaker 0: Oh, I couldn't have done it without her.
Speaker 1: No. I know you
Speaker 0: My my mom was a rock and an an immovable force in this that was always there.
Speaker 1: And not even a Republican. I'm just saying it wasn't it wasn't, you know, for political reasons
Speaker 0: at all. No. We were never this was about look. Well, this is a great misunderstanding or another narrative control scenario that we all came there and we demanded that Donald Trump be put in office. That was never the case for me, and many I never talked to anyone that felt that way.
It was about we wanted a meaningful review. We were tired of the roller coaster. We were tired of the nonsense Yeah. That had been provided time and time and time again. Oh, we got another court case, and the judge refuses to hear it.
Donald Trump never lost any court cases. They never had a trial. These were all refused to hear. Was either you didn't know how many gumballs were in the jar or you didn't know what date the gumballs went in and what date they came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had any little detail to get out of having to hear the cases. To give them time to destroy the evidence and crush resistance.
Speaker 0: You got it.
Speaker 1: There's another one.
Speaker 0: There's one I Well,
Speaker 1: to give them time to You're crush
Speaker 0: getting a bug zapper back here.
Speaker 1: To give them time to get rid of the evidence or crush any resistance. Because remember, you weren't even allowed to question the results of the twenty twenty election. In The United States Of America, it became an act, you know, literally a criminal act to say, I I don't I'm not sure that about the election results.
Speaker 0: But all the while, I see constant communication now traveling on social media and it doesn't certainly doesn't seem to be shadow browned or suppressed. Now, where you see these people are out there saying the twenty twenty four election was rigged, know, Donald Trump didn't really want his not legitimate president. I see it all over social media. All over But those statements would always have community notes and Oh. Or move down.
Speaker 1: Get censored to complete. People would get blocked.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, you get your account taken down.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: But this can be said, it's always a two tier system. It's been a two tier system. It's a a tool a total two tier system where they don't care about the truth, they don't care about the facts, don't let let that interfere with their
Speaker 1: Okay. So you're still fighting for j sixes. Dan Wilson is one, and
Speaker 0: the We have Benjamin Martin sitting out. You have Edward Kelly recently saw an FBI whistleblower just yesterday finally released a statement that says that the FBI targeted him and made things up. It's literally the f an f b I agent's come forward and said this, and Edward Kelly's doing life in prison on this other supposed charge.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing they've done is add fruit to the poisonous tree charges, right, to to muddy the waters.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. So this is and this is what Friedrich's done in Judge Friedrich in DC. Right? So the activist under the robe, judge Friedrich. And she's a disgusting and inhumane individual that should absolutely if she should repent, but she should be removed all of these people.
Beryl Howell, Emmett Sullivan, judge Friedrich, the list goes on. Colleen Culler Catelli, I can name judge after judge after judge Kelly, Sullivan, all of them. Right? Mette, should all be impeached, but we have spineless Republicans, so called Republicans, trans publicans as we might read better call them, right? People who problem right now.
Speaker 1: Publicans. I'm gonna borrow that if
Speaker 0: that's You may actually stole it from somebody else, so it was on loan anyway. Listen. Mine now. Yeah, they take it. So here we go.
In the sense of this, these people don't wanna hold impeachments. And you know why they would said they would blame it on the Darrell Isis and the Ken Bucks. Well, guess what? These people aren't there anymore. Now we've got rid of them.
So what now? What's the new excuse for the house judiciary that was founded in eighteen eighteen o seven with the one of the explicit pillars being to rein in these title three article three judges and have impeachments if necessary when they operate outside the conduct of the robe of the expectation when they operate with impropriety. Where are these people? Where are these courageous Republicans that are all coming to save us that operate on our side? And it shouldn't be a Republican or Democrat issue.
It should be that we abused lawfare. This happened, and these and these judges
Speaker 1: were as a standard. We're all I mean, everybody's affected.
Speaker 0: Well, they don't like here's a great standard for you that they don't like. You got one eleven a with the congresswoman up in New Jersey who's bustled by the officers. Right? She did far more than any many of the January 6 defendants that were charged with the same charge that did years in prison. Yet here she is is up here screaming bloody murder about Alina Habba prosecuting her for one eleven a.
Welcome to the way you guys have decided that it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's solution to that. Applied at to them.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Oh, no. We we have an unequal application of the loan. It's been that way for a long time. And as long as it standardizes that way, then they're just fine with it.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I I is really important to me to point out actually is how many j sixes, including Joe Biggs and Enrico Artario and all those guys who feel so strongly about the people they left behind. Because there were a lot of guys in there who, I mean, are victims of malicious prosecutions. Sure. There are legitimate criminals that are in there, and they deserve to be in there. But the way our judicial system has been applied has is in a is an absolute affront to to us as Laura.
A
Speaker 0: civilized nation. We we in The United States Of America, we are the country number five in line per capita of actually imprisoning the most citizens. Number five in the nation or I'm sorry, in around the world. Number five, the land of the free imprisons more citizens than per capita than any number of nations that you would look at and think that it would be a deplorable thing to look at. Right?
That should disturb people. And we start looking at the judiciary. This is the beauty of January 6 to me. This is what I say is this. Had we have not had a look through this lens that magnified the judiciary as it did for January 6, had we have not had this look, had it just been the one offs like the Michael Flynn's and others and Ted Stevens and the stories we can relate to back through history.
But when they did it in mass, when they got greedy, and they did it in mass and they did it to so many, it became apparent. Now it's abundantly apparent to the American citizen that our judiciary is a corrupt and captured operation that has to have a total reform. We saw what they did to president Trump. We've seen what they've done to others. If you don't take this opportunity, what happened in January 6 is a total loss.
There can be some good come from this, a silver lining, and that is the reform of our judiciary through impeachments and holding these people accountable that operated with bias, that operated with impropriety. We know it happened. It's right there on the record. Two different judges that were not my judge suggested that I took part in insurrection. Insurrection is a crime, a US code.
You don't have somebody in and try them for jaywalking and then call them a murderer because murder is a different crime. That judge can say you're stupid, they can say you're a moron, they could say all kinds of things at sentencing, but you can't use the words
Speaker 1: You can't accuse them of a crime they've never been charged with?
Speaker 0: Yes, and that's exactly what they did. They called it an insurrection and it became the narrative, and that's the problem. These judges know that they can't do this. That's impropriety and you've to set an example and you gotta strike down this kind of assault or affront to our judicial system.
Speaker 1: So, the other thing that January 6 exposed is people like The Sixty Five Project and Michael Teeter who are part of this Media Matters for America, David Brock, Knight Foundation, Ford Foundation, Tiles Foundation.
Speaker 0: And all of these, GW, and Columbia University. True
Speaker 1: citizens. You responsible These organizations that really are an assault on American society. Yeah. There's a 65 project under Michael Teter set up by Noel Mison and David Brock. Noel Mison who's still going off to President Trump, and they go off to any attorney who represents Yeah.
Anyone from sanctions.
Speaker 0: It's about making they wanna hang people on like so like, this picture of the select committee and the DOJ wanted to hang people on the wall like malice do as the January 6 community. This is what happens if you speak up about elections. We'll show you. Right? Yeah.
While the left can go out and burn the cities and do what they want, you got January 2037, which is the only date in the constitution, by the way, that says that is a formal date that has to happen at twelve noon where you have to actually have the exchange of power, change over power as they like to call it, for the president. Right? Yeah. The inauguration has to take place at that time. January 6 is not such a date.
There is not a date that is prescribed. It's a suggested date. That's a ceremonial process as the Democrats would have it. But however, even more times in our history that that date became apparent that JFK and others throughout history, that process did affect or change the outcome of a presidential election to codify the right the right answer that was the will of the people, which is what January 6 was about. People wanted a meaningful review.
They didn't want Donald Trump installed. They wanted a meaningful review.
Speaker 1: They wanted they wanted the results sent back to the states.
Speaker 0: As the states were calling for, state legislators are saying we have new information. We're looking at something different.
Speaker 1: Wanna investigate. And there's and there's a a I think a hundred days provided for.
Speaker 0: They could have they could have gone have all kinds of
Speaker 1: a period of time where you review the results and then you report back.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: And that, by the way, is the only thing that didn't happen on January 6, was How was what the protesters wanted.
Speaker 0: How convenient.
Speaker 1: And everything that they said that the protesters were trying to, you know, stop the election being certified and you know, all of that went ahead.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, and interestingly enough, I'll make one point to that. We had house members of the house and members of the senate, which was the minimum requirement. Right? You have to have one member of the senate, members of the house come forward and say they wanted to review, and that recreated the recess for the review that could last two hours, six states, two hours per state, that's twelve hours.
I was thinking we'd be out there till, you know, three, 04:00 in the morning because you had they already said they were gonna do it. But then after the horrible events of January 6 took place, which don't don't don't confuse the truth with the narrative. Right? Yeah. So after those so called events took place, you had a situation where the individuals that said they were going to do this because they had meaningful, incredible reasoning and evidence to do so, then abandoned that process.
Why did they abandon the process? It wouldn't have mattered if a bomb hit the capital. It wouldn't have mattered if, you know, there was mass genocide that day. That was still their duty under their oath of office and what they said. So why didn't they follow through?
I have that question for those people still today.
Speaker 1: Well, you know why. They didn't follow through because the the staged the violence that they incited was deliberately staged to prevent that conversation from taking place.
Speaker 0: Oh, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Because they didn't want anyone to hear that evidence. They didn't want anyone to present concerns, and they did the Republicans didn't want to be shown. Right? Because they knew then that they would have to vote.
Speaker 0: If the American people were ever had to face the truth of what really happened there that day, if that ever comes out, and who was really responsible, to what level, I think it's going to be something that it will be shocking, but not any more shocking probably than Cointel Pro or what we've done to topple other governments or the shadow governments that we've operated. It's not gonna be any more shocking than these events. I think it's going to be more close to home because they haven't seen it at that level, but you can go to COINTELPRO, Tuskegee Airmen, etcetera, etcetera, down the line event after event. Oh my gosh, our government's corrupt and has done horrible things to the people. Oh, who should be shocked at this point?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just that this one is happening and our lifetime's on our watch.
Speaker 0: There you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's so many families that were just torn apart.
Speaker 0: Look at how many people lost their homes, lost their businesses, they've lost everything. Have to be
Speaker 1: whole. Been restored.
Speaker 0: No. They have to be made whole. There's civil suits. When you hand out money, $4,300,000 to the January 2027 people and twenty seventeen people, excuse me, when you hand out money to the January 2037 people at $4,300,000 to suits that were waged by the ACLU, and those people who literally firebombed police, they threw Molotov cocktails, class a fireworks at police. They did these things.
They brought weapons. They flipped over cars. They burned. We all remember the images of Donald Trump's inauguration as DC was on fire. This nation's capital was ablaze and we saw
Speaker 1: the smoke and the whore. Attacking the secret service.
Speaker 0: And you're like, oh my gosh, this is happening here in The United States. And that wasn't an insurrection. On the date of the actual transition of the so called powers, they like to think of it, which I think of it as representation, right? Not power, but that's how it's described even by the media because they get caught up in their own ideas, right? It's not about power, it's about representation, and that's where the misconception starts and ends.
Speaker 1: So your work really on with January 6 is what led to you taking on this responsibility at American Rights Alliance.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, people think some people have suggested that Peter Ticton was kinda Johnny come lately to January 6. That's not the truth. As you well
Speaker 1: know Peter Ticton, was president Trump's attorney for many years
Speaker 0: Yeah. So and an old friend. Old friend. Yeah. They went to school together.
They went to New York Military Academy together. They were roommates all four years.
Speaker 1: And I know Peter.
Speaker 0: So trusted soul. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: He's awesome.
Speaker 0: Yes. Peter's great. He's one of my favorite people. So after January 6 took place, Trump knew that they were coming for him. It was obvious.
Right? In a way, they had never come for him before and not in a way you could have foreseen. So after that, he needed someone he trusts to be central repository for everything January 6. He needed someone he trusted to review who was doing what with his legal efforts. Right?
And defenses as they were coming down the line, the talks were pretty nasty, treason and all these other nonsensical ideas. For making a speech, for saying peacefully and patriotically make our way down to the Capitol. And whatever anyone else did was, you know, on them, right? So here we go. So Peter Tichten was that central repository.
I started working with Tichten in '21. We started talking, I started presenting people to him, sharing information, sharing video, sharing idea, telling him what was happening in these cases. And over time, Peter and I developed a relationship that was very strong. And when numerous cases came down, when they came at Donald Trump with the idea they were gonna remove him from the Colorado ballot, it was Peter Tichton that I called and said, this guy, Scott Gessler, that's doing this case, I don't know if he doesn't know, I don't know if he's ill informed, I don't know what the deal is, but we've gotta get to the bottom of this and I gotta get the information there. Mark Mosier, who is at Hard Meat Dillon's firm, I also called.
Before the day was out, Scott Gessler was calling me and saying, what can I do? Okay, what is it you have? And I was like, well, the fraud that they played for the court at opening arguments was nothing more than a fraud on the court. That select committee video that was done is is a fraudulent narrative, and they had a responsibility to review that before they presented it as evidence in this courtroom.
Speaker 1: Which is the video that altered the time stamp on you.
Speaker 0: Yes. We're right back to that, but that was just one of the many problems with that video. Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. There were many fraudulent things in that video.
Speaker 0: But it went to mainly the idea that the 02/24 narrative that Donald Trump started the insurrection and I was the mouthpiece for a start of the insurrection. Right? Absolute insanity. I wasn't even there yet. I wasn't even at that spot.
It was just absolutely absurd. So and the FBI asserts that. Right? In my own documents, they're saying that's not the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It wasn't hard to prove.
Speaker 0: No. It was so easily
Speaker 1: And in fact, what they did when you when you went off to them is they removed
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. They removed The timestamp. Right? When when they they dumped the part where I was in it. Right?
They dumped that. They just play the audio. They got rid of the timestamp in the video. Yeah, so that was the big change. The select committee actually went back and changed their so called, and they said that they entered this into evidence, Benny Thompson's words were, I know and are into the evidence, the facts and events of January 6.
Speaker 1: Facts and events. It
Speaker 0: was unconscionable because he knew it was a lie. And they even went back to change it after he hit him with the lawsuit in the Fifth Circuit. So look, it's a long story and we can have to dig way down in that. We did a documentary years ago that we never got out, but that story's in there.
Speaker 1: What's in your book?
Speaker 2: Wait, is Show your book. Oh yeah, the story is
Speaker 0: in the book.
Speaker 1: Call it insurrection comrade. Nice, it's catchy.
Speaker 0: Well, I tell
Speaker 1: you that
Speaker 0: the book, wait, because only a only a commie could call that an insurrection, right? It was about a narrative. So, you know, actually it was wonderful. I got these two wonderful people, one to endorse the book, one to do the foreword.
Speaker 1: You did?
Speaker 0: I did. And
Speaker 1: who was that?
Speaker 0: Well, you know, of course, General Flynn did the, and then, that other lady's name, I can't remember, you know, mildly attractive blonde woman. Let's see. I'm trying to think. Laura. Oh, Laura's on
Speaker 1: the Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: So, but thank you. Look, I really wanted to thank you for that. That was great. The fact that you did the forward and what you said about the January 6 people, and what they experienced no, it was great. So thank you for that.
I think it meant a lot to all of us that you did that.
Speaker 1: Well, if people wanna know more about it, they can read your book. Right? Let's see. They should. It comrade.
Call it Insurrection Comrade by Trenton's Jay Evans the third. You heard it here people. Read all about it. Read all about it.
Speaker 0: Well, you know what's great is I was excited that I put it actually made best seller on Amazon and
Speaker 1: This is very good. Because you know know what all that means is that that many people, even when they don't they're not armed with the facts or the truth, they instinctively know they're being lied to and they want to know the truth. Yeah. Okay. So, there's aren't you isn't Evan Turk also at American Rights Alliance with you?
Another former Trump attorney?
Speaker 0: Yeah, so Evan Turk, and he had a career on Wall Street before he So became an he does a lot of financial planning, does a lot of work, he's a litigator. Evan is actually Donald Don Jr. Wanted to do something. And you know where the funny, there's a story about where the money came from for the startup money. Remember when at Butner, right, where they attempted to assassinate President Trump?
Yeah. Ironically, only place that CNN ever covered a full rally, a live rally.
Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? They just, they have such good news instincts.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You would call it news. That's funny. Yeah. That's a good word.
Anyway, anyway, so where that They
Speaker 1: didn't care about any Trump rallies, but boy were they well positioned at Butler.
Speaker 0: Yeah, boy, they were right there for it. Amazing. So the fight fight fight merchandise that came from that, Donald Trump Junior took the net proceeds from that and donated it and said, don't wanna profit from this event. I wanna do something for the American people because that's who I doubt my father was fighting for. He wasn't fighting for himself.
He was telling the American people we're gonna fight, fight, fight. Right? Yeah. So he said, this is a way to do this. I have an idea.
And he gifted that money to Evan Turk to start the American Rights Alliance to fight lawfare against anyone that was experiencing lawfare, civil rights abuses, parental rights, religious liberties, on down the line. That's really amazing. So Evan gets it started. He calls Peter Ticton, which is a natural choice. Right?
Peter Ticton, a well known litigator, and says, Peter, here's what I have. I have this money, we're gonna start this. He involved some others, and next thing you know, they had it all built, right? And it's funny is it looked a lot like what we built at Condemned USA. And Evan and I not really knowing one another, Peter says, You gotta talk to Trinis.
Speaker 1: He said, I got this really difficult He's little guy a real pain in the you know what. He's the problem that just won't go away. He's not a lawyer, but he has studied the law. Actually, what's just kind of amazing because you've been involved in so many legal cases now.
Speaker 0: I mean, you can't help but learn. I I think it was forced into me, whether I chose to learn or not, it was going to be there. So Peter and I met with them and I was doing an event down in, down in Florida and Evan came down and we met. We kind of really found out that we have kind of kindred spirits about saving the country and, defending people, and that was consistent with what Peter and I had already knew about one another. Evan and I kind of felt things out, he made a great offer to me and said, I want you to come over here and do this.
It's funny, Lars, I say great offer because it's a fantastic pay cut from what I've done my whole life.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that as you said it, I was like, a great offer. It is a great offer because I know you believe in the work. Yeah. But it is still a pay cut. Oh.
From your other pay cut.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Pay cut from my pay cut.
Speaker 1: So Because working on this all these years, I mean, sure there was at one point your business was like, hello, do you remember us?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Oh, Thankfully my brother stepped in to take on that role and I'm really thankful that he's going to take that role on. So I'm away from that now and he can do that. But reality says this, Evan and I hit it off for a reason, it worked out, and then we came to an agreement and they offered me the position. Originally they came to me just to talk to me about being a spokesman for their organization.
And before you knew it, after Evan and I got together and met and Peter and I talked more, they offered me the position as the Chief Operating Officer of the organization. And they said, Okay, what do we do next? And I said, Okay. So we got into that and started looking at websites and revamping what we were doing, some of the little things, right? And you know, that really weren't cataclysmic as to what was going to happen with the organisation.
And within a week I got a call from Tina Peters. And Tina Peters called me and said, Tronis, I have all these great lawyers. I don't know what I want to do with my case. I need help to sort it out. There's varying opinions.
What do you think? I was like, wow, this is heavy. Right? Because I had written Tina's amicus brief for her appellate case back in February with John Mosley. John Mosley and I worked on that together.
Don't wanna say just me. I wanna take credit, but you gotta hear the source. So
Speaker 1: I just wanna remind people that Tina Peters was the secretary well, she was in Colorado Uh-huh. In a district in Colorado. Yeah. She was the county clerk.
Speaker 0: Mesa County.
Speaker 1: In Mesa County, and that was a Republican county, and it went Republican. So just so people understand, it had it had always it had been Republican for a long time.
Speaker 0: It's a very red county.
Speaker 1: But there was something that happened that just Tina didn't trust, which was when Dominion came in and they said that they needed to do a, I don't know what it was, a reset or whatever
Speaker 0: Well, had a trusted build.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 0: Trusted build. Right? Yeah. I mean, it's wonderful language. Right?
Like, just like citizens for responsible ethics in Washington when it's run by normies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They always come up with the with the words that mask their real intent. And so what happened is Tina got somebody in there who did a forensic image Yeah. Of the machines before the trust is built.
Speaker 0: With her duty to preserve all election data from a federal election. Consistent with her duty.
Speaker 1: But they got her because he came in using someone else's badge. Well,
Speaker 0: here's the problem,
Speaker 1: Whatever. Miss They they they were gonna find some excuse to get her.
Speaker 0: Laura, there's something called good faith. She went to Jenna Griswold in advance and said there's a problem.
Speaker 1: She tried
Speaker 0: to this up the ladder. Yeah. And then she believed there was a problem. Believed that
Speaker 1: there was The generous wrongdoing. Funded by George Soros.
Speaker 0: Yeah, imagine that. She believed that there was wrongdoing. So in good faith, she had to take some other measure to preserve that data to uphold her federal responsibility, her duties, is that clear?
Speaker 1: Under the law. Yes. She had a legal responsibility to preserve those records.
Speaker 0: If she didn't do it, she could've been charged with federal crime.
Speaker 1: And and the trusted build is how they get around it, right, because there's all this, you know, technical stuff that they that they they know that most people don't understand what it is, but essentially, they they just erase the files because they say that you have to make room on the, on the computer for the, for other information. Right? And, and basically, you know, Dominion comes in and does whatever they do and nobody knows because nobody nobody reads code, nobody's inside the machines, nobody's
Speaker 0: watching simple fact. Right? Yeah. If you go take your phone down and you go, hey, I wanna get my this phone, I want everything transferred from this phone to that phone. We've all been through that.
Right? Or a laptop or iPad or whatever it is. You walk that device in there, the first thing you wanna do is back everything up. They ask you, did you back everything up to the cloud? Yeah.
They want you to back everything up even though they tell you they can transfer all the information because why? Because things get lost. It happens. Digital things happen. Idiosyncrasies in the digital world occur.
So Tina wanted to make sure there were no problems. She wasn't out just, you know, seeking something. She wasn't have an idea what she was looking for. She just wanted to do her job and do it correctly.
Speaker 1: But she suspected that there was a problem because, you know, I remember Tina told me that, right after the election, she was getting all these calls from people in her district who were saying that they were concerned about the outcome of the election. Now it was a red county. Trump had won. You know, extensively, there isn't any reason really to chase this, but there's something called the truth, and people want honesty and integrity in their elections. Even when they get the outcome that they want, they still it still matters.
And so she's getting all these calls and she's like, no. You know, we got the result that we expected in a sense because Trump won. It wasn't. She said the numbers weren't quite what you would expect, but nevertheless, the outcome was. And so, therefore, what are they talking about?
Speaker 0: It didn't matter if the result was one you expected or didn't expect. The preservation duty of that clerk was to Correct. Make sure it was preserved. And when anytime someone's gonna do some update or change or you potentially lose something, trusted build, data file and analysis, whatever, the first thing you should do is have an imaging to protect it. So it was a forensic imaging.
That was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then what happened in Mesa County 0. Was when Sherona Bishop and and other people started doing going door to door, they started discovering that, you know, that there's, like, a mental, health facility where people, you know, nobody voted and there's all these votes, or that there's multiple votes at one place, or that there's an old age home. You never get
Speaker 2: to see people voted.
Speaker 1: You know, and that's what really know, that's when Tina started to ask questions and go to Jenna Griswold, the secretary of state, and and the response that she got was odd.
Speaker 0: Well, the response that she really got honestly is down the I mean, not far from that moment was that the FBI raids her home.
Speaker 1: Yes. That's right. Which is a clear indicator that people don't want you asking questions that you really have a duty to ask. She had a duty to ask those questions and they can go after her for process. It's just like they'll create a process crime for anyone.
Right? I mean, you know, break a team from right on crime. He always says, show me a person and I'll show you a felony. Yeah. Like he said, you we've got so many laws governing so many things.
They've criminalized just about everything under the sun that if you really wanna go after someone for something, Absolutely. You can find
Speaker 0: There's a way to put everybody in prison, every American, there's something they're doing or have done that and you could actually do that. And then the FBI comes in and says, have you ever looked through the window and seen, you know, have you ever looked through the window and when you're thinking, my gosh, people are no, would never do such a thing. Yeah. And then they go, well, you know, suddenly you lied. You've looked through a window of a store and seen somebody inside.
That's a lie. You know? I mean, it's it's as benign as that. It's so simple to get a lie from the FBI. They say, you know, have you ever done this or have you ever done that?
And have you ever? Right? And it's so broad and then they twist things and they manipulate. Once they have twisted and manipulated just right, then all of sudden they get you with a crime, they get you admitting, well, I didn't mean that, well, you didn't mean, so then you did in fact do what we just said, right? And that's how they do it.
Speaker 1: Well, and also it's intimidating.
Speaker 0: Horrifying. I mean, there's a doctor we're dealing with and they went to him and asked him if he had ever done anything or been involved in certain things, at the end of the day, the guy's done tens of millions of dollars a year worth of business. And it's over $6,000 of something he made up, the record wasn't exactly accurate, and that's why he's facing prison. But his crime was dealing in COVID. He was not prescribing the accepted narrative.
He was doing ivermectin, he was doing the hydroxychloroquine, that's what
Speaker 1: it And he's not the only doctor to face this.
Speaker 0: No, Doctor. Young, right? I mean, who we both know sitting in prison right now, Doctor. Keith Moore, and on and on, and Doctor. Artis was silenced, and Doctor.
Gold and all. Mean, we can go down a list of doctors, Doctor. Stella Emanuel, who, you know, all of these people, This happened with COVID. It happened with Christians. It happened with the school board parents.
It happened it was an assault. And why? But you gotta understand that where this came from. Places like SPLC, Southern Poverty Law Center, and the Cruz and the ones you talked about, but more so, George Washington University and Columbia University misused a $77,000,000 grant that was offered up by the Obama administration when they had the House and Senate pressed through. That money goes straight out, and those people sent people into all 16 of our three letter agencies.
They sent people into members of Congress. They sent people these were all interns. Right? And these were the trusted interns that joined these programs that were being run by draft dodging communist professors of the sixties. Right?
These individuals were trusted tenured people at GW and Columbia University running the program. They sent the interns out. Well, what this really amounts to is espionage into our government. It doesn't amount to a study. It was a study by those that would think if you have the intent to overthrow the government and utilizing these children in this way, then they shape and mold the children over the next four years and they send them out.
You notice how the age of the FBI and directors and people just drop like a stone
Speaker 1: once very young.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, because they had to move out. Remember Obama gets rid of all of generals and they fire all these people?
Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
Speaker 0: Well, yeah. It was because they needed to wipe the playing field clear of any conservatives. Young
Speaker 1: people who they molded in right.
Speaker 0: They came in in their image in this communist manifesto type ideology, the Marxists and the ideologues. Right? They come in, and now all of a sudden you have control of these agencies and they're telling you, hey, this person's not on board with our agenda. They must be a domestic violent extremist. And that's where GWU and Columbia University developed.
Speaker 1: And then they turned to Southern Poverty Law Center and Media Matters for America, and they help have them advise them, advise Uh-huh. And write the algorithms and determine which are the keywords, what are you going after someone for, and then they, on top of that, at the same time, the other pillar of this is they get the FBI to go and to create like the the the kidnap plot in Michigan.
Speaker 0: But don't forget also That was completely fake. Like we like we exposed here in Fredericksburg with the event that you put together, we spoke at together three years ago. We showed how the FBI had just recently released and DHS had released their new list of domestic violent extremist symbols. I remember the Betsy Ross flag was on there. Yes.
And it was even the bible, the cat and the cross.
Speaker 1: And the and the George Washington
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. The tree. Yeah. The oh, the tree of liberty. Yeah.
They were all signs of domestic violent extremism and that was something that could
Speaker 1: Including, I think do I have to come and take flag? Oh, It
Speaker 0: was on there.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's confirmed. There's the evidence.
Speaker 0: I'm really glad to be sitting here with a fellow domestic violence extremist. I just don't
Speaker 1: Hey, I was listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center when I spoke at a Moms for Liberty event. Congratulations. Wasn't that kind of them? You. So kind of them.
So so they they really have it sewn up, you know, on on you're surrounded because on the one hand you've got so what you're talking about, the Obama administration gives $77,000,000 grant to two universities. Right? They then do a study and in the name of that study, they put interns in different agencies inside the government and they mold these interns who then go into those agencies and serve in positions of power. Yes. And that these agencies are like the FBI, the Department of Justice.
Speaker 0: DOD, I mean it goes The
Speaker 1: government of defense.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Everything. You have all all of our all of our intelligence agencies. Right? DNI, all ODNI, all
Speaker 1: of these So, now they've got their people everywhere. And we all know you take a young person and you give them an opportunity, they haven't lived enough really to be cynical enough.
Speaker 0: They knew not what they did.
Speaker 1: They believed. They're true believers. When you're young and somebody else I even remember when I was young and I got a job at CBS, I was a true believer.
Speaker 0: That's a long, long time ago.
Speaker 1: It was one hundred and fifty years ago. I know I'm looking great, right?
Speaker 0: You do, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's genetics. Yeah. Just genetics.
Speaker 0: You look great for even for 35.
Speaker 1: I know. I know. Seriously. Even for 35, 20 ago. Okay.
So going back to this system they created, and then they put then they literally run false flag operations inside the FBI and and they have groups, you know, outside of that. They have academics and think tanks that provide the ideology, right, that supports what it is they're doing and you know I They close the loop. They do, they close the loop and this is one very important part I want people to understand is that I was looking at law enforcement bulletins for years and they would literally have one or two or three items that related to Islamic terrorism that were actually real terrorist threats. And then they would have all these other things that were about the white terror threat. Right?
Yeah. And and they were all screenshots from chat rooms that were very obviously FBI people inside those chat rooms.
Speaker 0: Oh, like Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they reported to Southern Poverty Law Center, you know, or media matters and then they say, oh, you need to look for this. This is the real terrorist threat. You're right, they created a loop. Yeah.
These are horrible people.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, look, they mean to undermine Western culture, Western civilization, they mean to tear it all down. They are not a fan of capitalism, and for whatever reason
Speaker 1: They're a fan of America or sovereignty at all. No. Or humanities.
Speaker 0: They're globalists. They're ideologues. They have all kinds of other ideas about anything that we would hold dear as conservatives, as Christians, as just good Americans. People that believe
Speaker 1: in the constitution people.
Speaker 0: Decent individuals, decent human beings that give a damn about children, that give a damn about making sure that the the future of our children is something that they could live, that you could even stomach, much less have an expectation of.
Speaker 1: Well, that tolerance should actually be tolerance and liberty should actually be liberty and it's really not a Yeah. Democrat or Republican
Speaker 0: Yeah. They wanna blur the line and create it. Yeah. I agree with you. So Not a partisan issue.
Speaker 1: So now you're in American Rights Alliance and you're trying to help people with significant cases, right? So what are you doing for Tina Peters?
Speaker 0: Well, Tina Peters, so we came in, we entered. So I went to Peter and said, look, Peter, we gotta take this case. It's Tina Peters. We need to And make she's in her a She's in Colorado. She's been there almost a year.
Listen to this, you gotta remember, so what most of America doesn't understand, She was denied bond. In Colorado, under Colorado law, you have to either prove to be too violent or you have to be a flight risk to not be let out on bond pending your appeal. That means the process between the time you're found guilty at the district court level, right, or the state, you know, basic court level, and then you go on to your appellate court system. This could be a year, year and a half before you get to your appeal, if it's even granted. And all Tina Peters was asking at that point is to be out on bond at home under the authority of the government, you have to supervision, etcetera, and check-in and all those things, even an equal monitor, whatever, until the appeal was resolved.
Right? This judge in the courtroom in Colorado literally went on record, and a lot of people know this, but a lot of people don't, went on record and said, miss Peter's speech was the danger. Her first amendment protected speech, the idea she was allowed to hold, the things that she has the right to believe, it was her speech that created the reasoning that she must be locked up in a in a prison, in a in a Colorado prison, and not be allowed to be out until bail pending appeal on a what? A non violent crime. Who was harmed by what Tina Peters did?
She did her job and the judge knew that. This conviction is rife with impropriety.
Speaker 1: It's outrageous. The judge
Speaker 0: is a disgusting individual that that he himself should be removed from the bench and be imprisoned probably for these types of actions. I bet if we were to venture further into his decisions, we would find a lot of this kind of nonsensical activity impropriety from the bench. But this is what's going on. The fact that, Philip Weiser and and the, the there in Colorado, the AG and the the Jenna Griswold.
Speaker 1: The secretary of state Jennifer as well. This is she's disgusting.
Speaker 0: She's a disgusting individual. She's another partisan hack that is run Disgrace. By George Soros and others that absolutely should not hold an office. But this is what we get. When you allow these people to infiltrate The United States, they knew they could never take us from outside.
They had to take us from within, and that's where all this insanity is coming from, what's brewing up. So we see this in Tina Peters. Now we have, you know, as you know, last week we had the oral argument on the habeas motion. Habeas Corpus showed me the body, the opportunity to get her proven that she was deserves to be out on bond, that the result of why she's there was the misappropriation of power by the judge of what he did and actually going after her, this impropriety he exerted by saying that her First Amendment protected rights to her beliefs created the danger. This isn't a woman saying, I believe I should be able to shout fire in a crowded movie theater.
This isn't a person saying, take up arms against the government. This is a person saying, I did my job. There was a problem with the election or the data afterward, and I wanted to make sure we had preservation. That's her speech.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And even if she let somebody use a badge that wasn't theirs, I mean, this is hardly makes her a violent criminal.
Speaker 0: Even if. Even if even if that's the case. But good faith, again, by the idea
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: She knew that when she went up the chain of command, they they gave that order back down Yeah. And said, no. Don't do that. We're not doing anything. She had a duty and she upheld her duty.
Speaker 1: Duty to do And by the way, this is a woman in her what? Late sixties, early seventies? Yeah. Laura Who's son
Speaker 0: nine years old.
Speaker 1: 69 years old whose son was a navy seal
Speaker 0: who She's a Gold Star mother. He died. He gave his life in the line of service. And let me get this straight for the American people. This is something they need to get real right with.
Her son's not there to fight for her. Her son's not here because he gave his life fighting for this country, and the American people should damn well be behind Tina Peters because she's already made that sacrifice. And her son, if he were here, he'd be fighting like hell for her, I'm certain of that. So I think every one of us owe it to Tina Peters who's already made that sacrifice to fight for her.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, he didn't he he wasn't on a battlefield when he was killed. He was doing an event for the the Navy SEAL team that that jumps out of planes and over an event and he plummeted to his death in a stadium. Yeah. Which was a horrific horrific. Absolutely was in service.
No doubt. I just wanna I'm gonna preempt all those, you know, those let me idiots Oh, okay. That will come after this and say, you know, this wasn't no. I mean, he, and he served his country on the battlefield. He was deployed multiple times.
Yeah. And, and he had a stellar career, by the way. And, an amazing young man. And and, Tina, you know, still carries that that pain.
Speaker 0: How can you not? She's a mother. Of course. You lose a child, it's forever.
Speaker 1: And by the way, a wonderful woman, really brave woman. I mean, you just imagine that, the pressure they put How her
Speaker 0: many other we have how many counties? So we got two sixty counties in Texas. How many people did that and preserved the data?
Speaker 1: Many people had the courage
Speaker 0: to One. Do
Speaker 1: One in
Speaker 0: One whole in the entire freaking country that had the courage to do what Tina Peters did and say, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She
Speaker 0: really I is gotta I gotta something about this. I wanna preserve this.
Speaker 1: And just to to answer the question for people who say, well, why hasn't Donald Trump pardoned her? It's because it's a state case.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So interestingly enough, in the reply brief that came just yesterday, it was filed last night, right, or yesterday afternoon, There was a reply
Speaker 1: So brief this week because this will go out on Friday. Okay.
Speaker 0: So in the reply brief that was filed on Monday, this week, right? In the reply brief filed Monday, what was that? The twenty seventh or whatever?
Speaker 1: Filed the July 27? Twenty eighth. Okay.
Speaker 0: In the reply brief filed on the July 28, the government, the state of Colorado admits that there were certain federal aspects of what's going on, but they wanna say, oh, we're gonna hide this, right? They wanna say, well, but it wasn't preserved in the case. Well, we have, there's a little something coming from there. So there's a comparative value that we came up with this morning and the new filings in our reply will I think reflect some of that. So I think it's gonna be very interesting what they've now done to themselves, and, we've we've painted them into a corner, or they've more painted themselves into a corner, and there's more to come for them where this is headed.
Donald Trump is going to be able to ultimately pardon Tina Peters. We are going to prove that she was doing her duty and that the supremacy clause is going to take effect here, and that she has federal immunity from the state prosecution at the end of the day for what they've done to
Speaker 1: her. Because there are federal and state laws regarding the preservation of election records. Correct?
Speaker 0: And the federal laws supersede or they're supreme to the state laws. Just like you can set the speed limit on the highway, this the federal government can set the speed limit to 70. The state can't say the speed limit's now 85. Not up to them, it's a federal highway, right? Right.
Now the state can say, you gotta slow down to 55 in this section in my state, and they can do that.
Speaker 1: But you have to go through this process.
Speaker 0: Well, you bring it down, but you can't take it up and that's just where they've done, right? So they've nullified the federal part of this. Now what's interesting is the state doesn't have the ability to assert that something fits the supremacy clause or assert something. They don't have that ability, right? They can't rule on that.
Now a judge could say, believe there's a problem here. I believe that supremacy takes effect here, but a state judge can't rule definitively that this has happened. Right? So this is where the process is so skewed because it's all been in state court. Although it was led by the FBI, we know the DOJ was involved in this, there was a leadership role from that.
What happened to Tina? The honest issue is if the state was ever just honest and just said, look, Ms. Peters did her job under the federal election, we may not like what she did or we don't agree with it, but she did her job, but they want to hide behind the idea that, well, this isn't federal court, this is state court, you did this. It's so subjective and it's so wrong.
Speaker 1: And what do you mean by the supremacy clause? Just explain that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So the supremacy clause is the same thing that happened in like the Norman G Anderson et al case or commonly known as the Colorado ballot case. Colorado says, we wanna take Donald Trump off the off the ballot in our state. Right? And the supremacy clause and it goes all the way through all the Colorado courts.
Right? You get all the way through the state court, and you get to district court, and you get into the supreme court, and they rule against Donald Trump every time. So, yep, you can take we can take you off the ballot. States can take you off the ballot. The supreme court, and that's even the liberal judges, all nine zero decision on Nirma Gene Anderson et al, right, comes back and says, no.
You can't do that. There's one fourteenth amendment. Not a fourteenth amendment for Illinois, not a fourteenth amendment for Colorado, and not one for Texas. It's one single fourteenth amendment. The fourteenth amendment is the fourteenth amendment, and it reigns supreme over all state laws for each and every single state.
The state law is under the supremacy of the federal law in this case.
Speaker 1: So is the issue here that you you have to let this play out in the state court in order to end up
Speaker 0: Unfortunately, but in the habeas process, the judge was very favorable reason recently, so we do believe that that's going to be beneficial. We think that that's one of the process. We also have another action that we're nearing getting ready to file that one. So we are gonna get multiple actions in You're good. Yep.
We'll get multiple actions in play on the effort to assist Tina to get her where she needs to be into this federal court where Donald Trump can pardon her.
Speaker 1: So another big case that you have is my, my friend James O'Keefe Yeah. Who man, that guy, he gets sued every time he turns around. He is I mean, they've been trying to get him with death by a thousand cuts, death by a thousand lawsuits.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And James is formidable. I mean, he doesn't bow under the pressure, which is extraordinary.
Speaker 0: I You don't even know how it happened, like that was right after Tina. I'm telling you, if you don't think God's involved in this, it's weird because as soon as I come on at American Rights Alliance, next thing you know, I'm getting a call from O'Keefe, hey, Trinis, what do you think about this? I'm getting sued by this, you know, Jackass Mark Zaid up in DC and he goes, know, I'm getting sued to this Jamie Menina case, like, what do you think about this? Like and he's running it by me. I'm like, well, know, I kinda saw it, you know, hit hit the pavement.
I don't really know much about it, like, what's going on? And he goes, well, he's the Booz Allen contractor, the former FBI agent, and what do you think? Would you recommend in DC? And I was like, you know, ironically, so James, this is what's happening now. Glad you Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and for people so that they understand, this is the the investigation that that O'Keefe Media Group did. They captured a Booz Allen contractor working for, I believe, the Department of Defense?
Speaker 0: At the Pentagon. Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. At the Pentagon. And and he was saying on camera that basically they're going to subvert and stop Donald Trump.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Any million ways that they could come after Donald Trump, the you know, million cut scenario, whatever they could do to stop Donald Trump that this is what the guy says on camera. And they file a lawsuit. Mark Zaid files a lawsuit.
Speaker 1: Mark Zaid. I have some history with Mark Zaid because guess who he represented? Was the GRS contractors in Benghazi, the the guys who were on the ground for the CIA at the Special Mission Compound in Benghazi. And and so I was when I was working on my Benghazi investigation for sixty minutes, I was trying to talk to some of these guys, of course. Right?
Because they were firsthand eyewitnesses before they did the movie deal, before the, you know, the thirteen hours came out and all the rest of it. And I managed to get ahold of one of the guys. And he said to me, yes. Yes. It took me months and months and months.
It was a big deal. And he said, yes. I will do an interview, but you gotta talk to my attorney. Well, his attorney was Mark Saeed. Oh, god.
So amazingly, his attorney wasn't returning my calls, and he was difficult to reach. And eventually, he returned my call, and he was like, mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. I know.
I'll get back to you. And then, of course, I never heard from him again. And I'll never forget a very, very good journalist. I was talking to him about, like, I can't get this guy. I mean, I finally got ahold of one of these guys.
He's agreed to do an interview, and his attorney is messing me around. And he said, who's the attorney? And then I told him, he started laughing. And he said, what do you know about this guy? And I said, well, apparently, he's the go to guy if you wanna take on the CIA.
And and I said and he said to me, well, isn't that funny? Have you ever looked at his record?
Speaker 0: Has he ever beaten him?
Speaker 1: Yes. And what do you find when you look at his record? No. Of course, he's the go to guy who, is there if you wanna take on the CIA because what does he do?
Speaker 0: Lose.
Speaker 1: They get they or or manages the process. Yeah. So what do they do? They manage the process. So the system that they've created is really one of narrative control.
They know that it's gotta come out. They know that these, you know, how how do we silence these guys? Well, we give them a book deal and we give them a movie deal that makes them heroic, gives them their fifty minutes of fame and never ever ever answers the questions about Benghazi that are central to what were they doing there, what was this really about, how you know, who was really responsible and so on and so on. So you get a superficial narrative and then nobody else has a chance of of because, oh, when you go to a publisher or you go to a movie, you know, a production facility or whatever, they say, the Benghazi story has been done. So they've set the narrative, they've controlled it, they've done the damage control and they've gotten rid of the threat.
And Mark Zayed, in my experience, was an integral part of that process with Benghazi. So I wasn't surprised at all when I saw Mark Zayed, what happened right in 2000 after 02/2016, after Trump won, who was the guy that came out and said, you know, we are the resistance. We will bring Donald Trump down at any cost, something along those lines. Yeah. Was Mark Zaid.
So he revealed himself for who he really was.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, so here we go again. Right? So this is so Zaid is back front and center representing Jamie Menina.
Speaker 1: What's Who's the Booz Allen contractor?
Speaker 0: Oh, he's much more than that, Laura. This is what's really interesting. So credit to the journalists out there, know, to our independent media people out there. Josh Redpill is the first place I saw this. He sent it to me.
He's like, hey, gotta see this. So Keith is dealing with this Jamie Menina guy who's, again, Booz Allen contractor working at Pentagon trying to stop Trump. But he's former FBI. Interestingly enough, if it's not during the time he was FBI right around, at least it's very interesting that there was this DC predator. You know how that show like, what's it?
It's like a up predator. The guy that looks really old now that does that.
Speaker 1: Where they go off to pedophiles.
Speaker 0: Yeah, right. Well, all I can tell you is there's a DC predator episode Yeah. With Jamie Menina in a home and they come out and they're like, what were you doing here? I wasn't gonna do it. I you gotta watch the episode.
That's funny. We I'll I'll send it to you guys so you can share it.
Speaker 1: Where they set them up, they think they're going to meet a minor.
Speaker 0: A person Jamie Menina apparently, according to this episode, looks as though to me, I can see he's entered this home, and then the DC predator people pop out of other rooms and from behind the walls, you know, kind of thing and say
Speaker 1: A pet is the worst nightmare.
Speaker 0: What are you doing here? And he's, you know, oh, I'm not me, nothing. He's running to the door and he's grabbing his jacket and running out the door. This is the same guy. My question would be is if he was working for the FBI still in '21 or rather he was or wasn't.
If you DC caught a predator, this really is true, why is this guy not been prosecuted?
Speaker 1: How can you be on a defense contract if that's the case?
Speaker 0: Well, who's doing the background checks for Booz Allen? Who's doing the background checks to be in the Pentagon? Is it accepted practice to be a pedophile and work at the Pentagon for Booz Allen? Is that an acceptable practice? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, was he ever charged?
Speaker 0: Well, that's the question. Is he ever charged? I don't know the answer to
Speaker 2: that either.
Speaker 1: Because you are innocent until proven guilty. Although, if you're caught on
Speaker 0: I mean, if you're caught on camera there, you're caught on camera there, the evidence I mean, it kinda speaks for itself, you know.
Speaker 1: But he I I I mean, there was a
Speaker 2: song about that wasn't me
Speaker 1: or His innocence. Right?
Speaker 0: Well, would assume. I I don't know. Look, I don't know. Haven't seen him ask the question. But I think what's gonna be very interesting is they'll be having, depositions here soon.
I think that when you're talking about he says that his character has been defamed by James O'Keeffe. Right? Well, I think your character has to be first established before you can claim that it's been impugned by one. Wow. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: Is this like fish in a barrel, this one?
Speaker 0: Well, look. So I've been working with Brent Day on this case since the beginning who's working at Peter's Law Firm. The motions to dismiss were filed. The anti SLAP just went in last week. You'll be able to watch Jen Baker's covering this at Gateway Pundit.
She's covering this case closely. She's working with us at American Rights Alliance as well. She's been there with me years at Condemned USA. So I'm excited to watch these things come to light that we're finding. And we wouldn't find it if it weren't again.
The independent journalists, we sure as hell didn't get it off of a CNN, ABC, CBS, you know, or MSNBC interview of showing us that this happened.
Speaker 1: Can't be that hard to find.
Speaker 0: You know, you'd be surprised how how easy it really was once I was just sort of looking. So I don't know. Like I said, I think you guys will enjoy watching.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that you're helping James because truly that man gets sued by everyone. They have not been able to I mean, they've tried to put him in prison and that didn't break him. They raided his house with the FBI, that didn't
Speaker 0: break After his organization?
Speaker 1: They've targeted yes, they took the organization that he created, that is that was James O'Keefe, you know, and not only that, but, you know, he raised all the money for it and, you know, I'm I'm sure they said he ate some pregnant woman sandwich in front of her, you know, and he used black cars and and and no doubt, you know, when you when you work closely with people, I'm sure there's things, some of them legitimate that they can say about you. They can say it about all of us. Bet I bet not everyone who worked for you loved you. Right? Same with me.
Speaker 0: Do know how I met James?
Speaker 1: How?
Speaker 0: You're the one that drug me to an event at Mar a Lago. Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I went to an event with you at Mar a
Speaker 1: Lago.
Speaker 0: Yes. Right? And James and I were sitting there and we'd already seen the movie. The movie was premiering. I can't remember is it Oh, movie.
Yeah. Mike Smith.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Into the Light.
Speaker 0: Into the Light.
Speaker 1: Great movie by the way. It was great. Mike Smith's movie was excellent. Even though I'm in it, it's still a great, very important mean, it
Speaker 0: has its drawbacks. Yes.
Speaker 1: But Watch intothelight.org. Go to intothelight.org. You have to see that.
Speaker 0: Fantastic movie.
Speaker 2: So I
Speaker 0: had already seen it. Right? So I'd already seen the the quiet side behind the scenes there with Mike because we were all there at the event. But it was what was amazing to me about that is James and I were sitting, we ended up seated next to each other at Mar A Lago at the event. And we ended up sneaking out a little bit early because we kept talking.
Like we had gotten this conversation about five zero ones and the stuff that's going on and having an organization and and we and we kept getting the shh, you know, because people hadn't seen the movie and we were trying to whisper and it wasn't working. So we left. And about halfway through the movie we left and because we've both seen it. And we went we went to go have dinner and we sat down at dinner and then that's how we got to know each other.
Speaker 1: But it
Speaker 0: was the event that you and General Flynn got me in to go to the Mar A Lago event. So that was another thing that you were a connector of that's now become full circle in this with how Keith and I are now working together through American Rights Alliance and what we're doing. James did a brilliant he spoke out for American Rights Alliance, gave us something really nice to work with, a testimonial if you will. I'm so honored that he's doing that. He cares, like he cares about
Speaker 1: James is a real fighter and he's been a victim of the false narrative over and over again, or even just by omission because people don't really know James. I I did an hour long piece with him when I for my series, No Agenda, for Fox Nation. And, you know, they they try to paint this picture of James as some far right, you know, activist who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and nothing is further from the truth. He grew up in an Irish, you know, working class construction family, did a lot of construction at the weekends with his father and his grandfather. I mean, his grandfather would make him, you know, do all the work by hand.
He'd be peeling wallpaper off the walls until his fingers bled, you know, in the freezing cold.
Speaker 0: Maybe that's what we should have these people that have subverted the will of the company and country, that's what they should have to do is peel wallpapers.
Speaker 1: As their punishment. Yeah. Well Modern
Speaker 0: chain gang.
Speaker 1: I, you know, I I really hope that you're successful on this case because, in spite of whatever people's personal feelings may be, it is important that, the law should not be used as a weapon. Like Gateway Pundit, you know, they published that video of the the women pulling what were they, like, really boxes? Not really boxes, but containers for votes out from under a table in Georgia. You know? And and they and they
Speaker 0: were Now Ruby Freeman and Seamus.
Speaker 1: Yes. And they were sued almost into oblivion for that, you know. So they're trying to use the law to silence journalists and and when you're small independent publications, you're vulnerable.
Speaker 0: Giuliani. Look what happened to Giuliani. Exactly. Rudy Giuliani,
Speaker 1: who was another American hero Yeah. And another friend of mine, a great man. Love that man,
Speaker 0: actually.
Speaker 1: He's he's amazing, Rudy. Doesn't deserve anything they've done to him. No. And, you know, you know, the law firm he started when, when he became Trump's lawyer, I think, after 2016 when Trump hired him, his own law firm fired him. And he didn't drop Trump and take care of himself and keep his position in He the law said, no.
I'm gonna do the right thing. Yeah. Another great man. So okay. Well, I know there's another case that that you guys have taken that is that is kind of important to me, close to my heart, because it's parental rights and religious freedom.
Tell me about the case out of California.
Speaker 0: Look, I'm gonna tell you that I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're a Democrat or a Republican. Any of these cases that we have, right, all of these cases center around people's rights. They center around constitutional rights. They center around duties.
This case in particular, James O'Keefe is a First Amendment case. Yeah. But Shana Gaviola, this case is one that should disturb you. This is parental rights and religious liberties as you said. So, I would believe, and I think most parents would believe that you have a right to send a child.
If you want to send your child to public school, have a right to send your child to public school.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 0: My 10 year old child, 12 year old child, 14 year old child is not gonna tell me where they're gonna go to school or which bedroom they're gonna sleep in Don't
Speaker 1: be ridiculous.
Speaker 0: If they're rather not they're gonna do the laundry or mow the lawn or take part in the household chores.
Speaker 1: Well, for that part, your kid can say, I'm not going to school today. Really? No.
Speaker 0: No. Come on. Yeah. Ironically, this day and age, you would get in trouble for truancy, right, after some period of time.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 0: So your child doesn't run the household because that's not the way it works. Parental rights, we have the not only right but responsibility to supervise
Speaker 1: You're the children. Supposed to be in charge.
Speaker 0: Yeah, because you can be held accountable if not. So think it in these terms. So this mother is going through a situation with her son. She discovers that some things are happening with her son and she finds to be inconsistent with her beliefs, right, going on in the school. And it's being said that part of this could be something to do with even maybe transitioning or something of this nature that the school is suggesting these things, right?
Not necessarily if the child is attempting to or trying, but that's what's being suggested here by the And Ms. Gaviola has some interesting points to make about this. Now what I would be concerned about, what I would be concerned about is that every parent should have a right to make the choice of where their child attends school and what they're subjected to. I think there was a time where we would recognize that a parent didn't want their child to take part in the sexual education course at the school, then they wouldn't have to allow that. They can choose not to.
A child didn't if they didn't want their child to take part in some, religious services at school, They didn't have to. Right? Or say, so help me, God. Right? We made special exceptions, and parents had the right to these things.
Maybe that didn't fit their religious beliefs. So religious beliefs, parental rights have all long been a part of this for both sides of the aisle. Yet here we are now where a case like Shana Gaviola, she sent her child to a Christian school in Missouri to escape the policies and procedures and what she didn't agree with that were going on in the state of California. In a public school. She's now this is the child trafficking that the Biden administration wants to attack.
She's been attacked for by them, by the Department of Justice. This is an ongoing case held over from 2021. Soon as Biden administration and DOJ came in, they have prosecuted this woman. She's being prosecuted for transporting her child across state lines. Child human trafficking.
Speaker 1: To go to a boarding school in
Speaker 0: Missouri? Send the school to Christian to send the child to Christian school.
Speaker 1: I I just how does this even come onto the radar of law enforcement? Like, this is so far from anything that law enforcement should be able try.
Speaker 0: At 14 years, the ripe old age of 14, according to the documents, was trying to be emancipated. Emancipated. No. The child
Speaker 1: wanted to be emancipated. So who's backing the child in that? Because no child figures that out on their own.
Speaker 0: Well, seemingly, according to Ms. Gaviola and what I've seen, what I've been able to read about this, and what's very concerning to me is at 14 years old, where where can you work? What full time job can you hold until
Speaker 1: you won't pay your
Speaker 0: way? Right? I I it's just kinda crazy. You there are rules about this. Not only that, but she had a custody order from the state of Tennessee.
I don't remember anywhere in this doc do I see that anywhere where the California is properly dealing with the custody order. The judge who originally issued a ruling on this initial piece had to recuse herself later because it was discovered that there was a connection from within the judge's court that had to do personal connection within this family of the Gaviola family.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to understand, is like the the the child she sends her child to boarding school in another state, and the child didn't decide I wanna be emancipated on their own. Who put this idea in the child's hand?
Speaker 0: I don't know. It's a it's a great question. Now we're seeing that the child is now suing the mother. Right? Like for this and what's crazy to me
Speaker 1: And who's paying for that lawsuit?
Speaker 0: That's a great question.
Speaker 1: Because a 14 year old isn't paying for that lawsuit.
Speaker 0: A great question. Well, he's a little older now. So great question. He's now 20. Right?
This has been going on six years since '19. This has been ongoing. And here we are still involved. This is still going.
Speaker 1: This would absolutely break my heart as a mother.
Speaker 0: It should. Look, Shana Gaviola's facing prison time. She called me and you know how she found me? This is the craziest thing. Her judge is the same judge that Ben Martin, the j sixer had.
He's not been fully relieved of his case. He is out. He was able to get out, but his judge is the judge that oversaw his prosecution, his conviction, all these things.
Speaker 1: And didn't wanna release him after he
Speaker 0: was pardoned. And refused to release him after his pardon. She abstained from making a decision. She finally, finally recuses herself from the case. After mister Martin sat there in prison for over a month, the chief judge immediately steps in and signs the release order for mister mister Martin, releases him, he goes home.
Right? But he's still unsupervised release by the court, supervision of the court.
Speaker 1: Which is also a violation of the party.
Speaker 0: Well, you're damn right it is. You're damn right that is. Now so here's what else happens. Right? This is the same judge that rules get this, you're gonna love this.
This judge rules that ICE has to have a warrant when making an arrest. Suddenly, law enforcement has to have a warrant to make an arrest. ICE is a law enforcement agent. If if I walk out of here and I go through a rock through a window on the way out of here, I'm gonna be arrested. The law enforcement doesn't need a warrant to arrest me.
They have probable cause. They just arrested me and they saw something happen. The same thing was happening with ICE. They saw the person that fits the description that broke the law. They got arrested.
You're walking down the street, you got an active warrant for you. That's what happened. Any of these reasons. Right? This is the same and maniacal judge that we're now facing in the Gaviola case.
We faced her with Ben Martin. Trump faced her in this. She's already been overturned on this ludicrous ruling, and now we're facing her here with Ben Martin or with Shana Gaviola's case. Now we face this judge with Shana Gaviola's case.
Speaker 1: Which is in which state?
Speaker 0: This is in the Eastern District Of California, Fresno. So George Palace is another ARA attorney, formerly a condemned USA attorney, American Rights Alliance attorney. George Palace is representing this case. We had to move heaven and earth to get the previous defense counsel off of the case. You're gonna love this.
So defense counsel previously had made some significant omissions to miss Scavulo that I discovered during my investigation at her best. She immediately wanted to change counsel after this. I was very disappointed to find what I found in that case and that's going to be glaringly obvious that there was some maybe not everything was quite maybe counsel wasn't exactly being honest with miss Gaviola after all of these years. But I have a reason why I suspect that, Laura. So may I?
You're gonna love This gets even better. It's gonna go deeper here. This is gonna rock knock your socks off. Michael Tierney. You can't make up the name.
This is the AUSA prosecuting the case. Michael Tierney, who's prosecuting this case of miss Gaviola. Here's what you're gonna love about this case. He sees miss Gaviola in a an establishment in the evening, approximately 8PM, May 30 at night. He approaches Ms.
Gaviola, stands next to her chair and starts hitting on her. Is this a bar? Starts hitting on her. Right? Yeah.
I wanna say, look, it's an establishment that's open in the evening. She's there having dinner with friends and sitting in the bar. He approaches this woman, the defendant that he's prosecuting. Right, that he's AUSA on the case, and starts talking to her and she says, what are you doing here? Like, what is going on?
She's creeped out. He's leaning up over near her chair. She's creeped out. He's trying to hit on her and she says, I don't you can't talk to me. You shouldn't like last years of your life trying to destroy mine.
Like, what are you doing here? Like, this is weird. He says, I think we can talk as long as we don't talk about your case. Witnesses to this event, here it gets better. She's disgusted, feels dirty, like I can't believe this guy's talking to me.
She gets up and goes to the restroom. She comes out of the restroom only to find he's followed her to the restroom, he's outside the restroom. He says, hey, guess what? I have agent Snow on the phone. This is the FBI agent that raided her home.
Speaker 1: Right? Raided her home.
Speaker 0: The FBI agents that raided
Speaker 1: her home. Right?
Speaker 0: She had sent the child to the boarding school in Missouri. And she's like, you gotta be kidding me. Can be threatened here, like, what's going on? She's now scared to death. Right?
She goes, collects her stuff, gets her friends. I gotta go. I'm leaving. She goes outside.
Speaker 1: And the case is still active at this point.
Speaker 0: The case is still active. They're prosecuting her. This is absolutely happening. Listen to this. And the witness statements agree with all this.
Get this. It gets better. Michael Tierney, the AUSA, that should be removed. I don't know where my justice department is. I don't know what's going on.
Where's where is the civil rights division? Where's Harmony Dillon? Where we've got a new US Attorney in the Eastern District. This person should immediately stop this prosecution. This guy should be removed, sent for disciplinary action, if not ever practice law again, certainly not for the government.
Right? And absolutely, this case should be dismissed and we should move on. Scaviola should move on with her life. Now here's what we have that's going on. He then approaches her outside in the parking lot and says, miss Gaviola, like he's thinking, I I don't know what he's thinking, but what's interesting and says, hey, you need to take this call and puts miss Gaviola, the defendant, on the phone.
This is the prosecutor handing him her phone. Imagine this and says, take this call. It is the it is her defense counsel. It's 10:30 at night. Is this to first hit on her then cover your tracks to make drive some fear, maybe we should have some interaction.
I don't know what the guy's doing here. I'm not sure. I can't speak to it. What I can say is this should have been his conduct should have been reported to the court. Both her previous defense counsel and mister Tierney should have reported this conduct to the court.
I don't know an attorney in the land that I've talked to about this case that even believes it and we show them what they're like, oh my, this really happened. We have this guy dead to rights. This is gonna happen. This is gonna come out. Right?
Speaker 1: So what does her defense counsel say to her?
Speaker 0: He says he he says to her later, well, was rather unusual. Modi, get this.
Speaker 1: Was he just say hi?
Speaker 0: I I I Look.
Speaker 1: What was the point?
Speaker 0: I wanna go I won't I don't wanna get into the detail. Wanna give away too much. I'm just telling you, this is what's been exposed so far. So we're talk about this.
Speaker 1: And by the way, what did the FBI agent say when when he was on the phone? She. She. Snow. Why didn't
Speaker 0: agent Snow come forward and say, hey, listen, we're calling a defendant here from an establishment. Did she make a report? I wanna know when the date of her report was filed that this conduct took place that she's aware of. Who's her superior that addressed this? Who in the DOJ took a look at this?
Why didn't mister Capozzi, her defense counsel, do something to engage in this? Did they put this on the record in the court? Because we can't seem to find it. So my question is, why is this case still ongoing? It has any number of problems that have gone on here that are inconsistent with the rules of professional conduct for A an officer or the
Speaker 1: mother has the right to send their child. Mother and father have the right to send their child to any school they wanna send
Speaker 0: Happens all the time. Happens all the time. Children are sent against their will to boarding schools and other things. And Wayward I'm not suggesting that this child was wayward, just there were some things happening here. This needs to be seriously looked at.
This case, in my opinion, the DOJ is operating inconsistent with Donald Trump's directive. He's made a very clear directive that they were gonna uphold parental rights, religious liberties. That's right. Donald Trump has given a very clear directive to the Department of Justice and the Attorney General's office that they would uphold religious liberties and they would uphold parental rights and they would stop the abuses and the assaults that happened, yet this case still goes on. I think he can't know everything.
Right? He gave the directive, and this is AG Bondi's position. She needs to get involved here. She needs to stop the prosecution of miss Gaviola. She needs to get it in this AUSA Michael Tierney in line.
She needs to get this guy by the ear and drag him around like a mother should, right, and get this guy dealt with for the violation of the rules of professional conduct. The US attorney there in the Eastern District should immediately dismiss this case, and miss Gaviola should go on with her life because her other children are all gonna testify that she's done a fantastic job of raising children. It's interesting that the other ones are all doing so well and they're all so happy. And we have one child that wanted to be emancipated that is now so full of discontent. I'm very sorry that this child's upset.
I'm a young man now, I suppose. But the reality is that we cannot have a prosecution of a mother trying to do the very best she can by her Well, teenage
Speaker 1: Trentis, there are going to be a lot of people listening to this who are gonna wanna help with their legal cases. I know you can't take every case that comes your way. I know that these things are challenging, but but what where can people find you where can people find you if they wanna bring if they wanna at least find out if you'll consider helping them?
Speaker 0: Look, so there's there's one other realm that we've been able to help a lot of people here. You know, we're handling the pardons for Shane Lemond, we're handling the pardons for the remaining people, the majority of the remaining people that haven't received a pardon.
Speaker 1: For January 6.
Speaker 0: Peter Tichton is uniquely I think we're uniquely positioned as American Rights Alliance to be able to wave the banner of injustice over the cases that we have experienced that we can see.
Speaker 1: And by the way, good for Don Jr. I have to say he deserves credit for that because there's no shortage of, you know, media articles attacking Trump's sons for anything you can think of.
Speaker 0: Oh, heaven forbid, but look And
Speaker 1: you have an example of something where it just it didn't feel right to him to profit out of that and that speaks to character and that should be acknowledged.
Speaker 0: I just I wanna do this. I would like to personally thank Don Jr. For doing this, to creating this opportunity for the people that are truly in need. So many people.
Speaker 1: Don't suck up now.
Speaker 0: No, I would say I would wanna think
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 0: No, I want more money. Fuck I
Speaker 1: know you need more money. Don Jr. Trentis needs more money. Peter and Evernon, Trentis need more money.
Speaker 0: No. In all serious though, I mean, it was great. It was a great gift for a startup enabling us there. There's gonna be more to be done and we need we're definitely gonna need more resources on that, but I am very grateful that this opportunity because honestly, it's given me the opportunity to go do something that I really care about. It's given me the opportunity to work with people like Peter and Evan and all of us to move forward together.
Speaker 1: And fight and fight injustice for people who, let's face it, I mean, These people would never be able to afford this. Never. No. Lawsuits are unbelievably expensive. Most of the time, the state wins.
Oh. Right? So and the stress of it, everyone will tell you don't sue because the stress of it, but there but there are times where principles are worth fighting for. Mean, they're always
Speaker 0: worth fighting for. The constitution is worth fighting for. The rights of American citizens and the future of this country are all worth fighting for, and that's what American Rights Alliance is gonna do. We're gonna continue to uphold those things. We're gonna continue to make sure that we go forward with a message that says we will not be beaten into submission by those that will abuse the law and operate with injustice.
Speaker 1: And those who will take the law and turn it into a weapon against the people it's supposed to protect.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're in the fight. I wouldn't hesitate to turn to you, hopefully. Hopefully, I'm not gonna need that, place. I don't need a lawsuit to deal with.
But I'm ready just in case any anyone thinks, you know, that there's a weak spot there. No, there isn't. Yeah. Okay. So where can they find American Rights Alliance?
Direct people to?
Speaker 0: Americanrightsalliance.org.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: It's very simple.
Speaker 1: Are you on X?
Speaker 0: Yeah, I'm on X. So I'm still there at Trenton at Condemned USA. Yeah. American Rights Alliance does have X. We have
Speaker 1: A website?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I have to give it to you in the lower thirds. I can't remember. You can be The new they just got the social set up on there. Okay.
They just got it done.
Speaker 1: Alright. So you so you you know, anybody can find you trinusevans@americanrightsalliance?
Speaker 0: So look, you can email me. It's very simple. You can just email us. Like, if you have a case, you have a reason for a pardon, you think that you are deserving of, recognition or there's an injustice that's occurred, simply email us at info@americanrightsalliance.org. Infoamericanrightsallianceinfo@americanrightsalliance.org.
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This shows that Rogers was aware and signed off on this knowing it wasn’t based on any intel. https://justthenews.com/government/security/gabbard-declassifies-email-between-james-clapper-and-mike-rogers-regarding
Gabbard declassifies email between James Clapper and Mike Rogers regarding Russiagate
Rogers said his staff had serious concerns about the NSA’s lack of “sufficient access" to information needed for the assessment.
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@laralogan - Lara Logan
Tale a look at how invasive they were when going after American citizens for an “insurrection” that never happened. They will do it again given half a chance. They only stopped because you - the people - stopped them by electing Donald Trump. https://t.co/OoQ6bItcgr
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Interesting.
@15poundstogo - FoiaFan 🇮🇱
I’m old enough to remember when Obama told Congress that illegal aliens wouldn’t get free healthcare, and Congressman Joe Wilson got slammed for yelling “You Lie.” Zoom forward to today and a Republican-controlled Senate can’t even pass a bill to get illegal aliens off of Medicaid. We. Are. Bankrupt. Both as a country, and as a party.
reSee.it AI Summary
I wonder if this has been addressed before. Time is limited, and if Trump goes into a second year without accountability, it could be disastrous. He has earned some grace, but if he doesn't act now, when he's in a strong position, it’s hard to believe he will later.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
Surely this has already been done? We do not have endless amounts of time. If Trump enters a second year in office without real accountability, it will be catastrophic for many in this country. He has grace now because he has earned it. But if the President does not use his power now when he is arguably in the strongest poss position, it is hard to see him using it at all. @realDonaldTrump @JDVance
@laralogan - Lara Logan
Just remember: powerful people are orchestrating & funding this. The chaos is engineered.
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In the latest episode, I dive into a conversation with Gaurav Srivastava, exploring the intricate world of geopolitics, oil, and currency wars. We discuss the formation of new oil market relationships, the impact of deception and manipulation, and the realities of financial fraud. Gaurav shares insights on Dubai's financial landscape, his personal journey from illness to success, and the importance of empathy in wealth redistribution. We also touch on corporate espionage, media corruption, and the challenges of uncovering the truth amidst lies and smear campaigns.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
NEW EPISODE: Reputation Warfare Part 1: One On One with Gaurav Srivastava | Episode 20 (00:00) - Geopolitics, Oil, and Currency Wars (13:12) - Building New Oil Market Relationships (21:55) - Deception and Manipulation (29:31) - Financial Fraud (45:17) - Dubai Financial Deception and Compliance (48:43) - Dubai's Dark Side and Redemption (53:44) - From Illness to Success (01:04:37) - Empathy and Wealth Redistribution (01:12:10) - Corporate Espionage (01:16:20) - Uncovering the Project Brazen Lies (01:22:41) - Media Corruption and Financial Warfare A story of lies, spies and smear campaigns. Gaurav Srivastava on the fight of his life. @OffclGauravSriv @GoingRoguewLara #Oil, #Espionage, #Geopolitics, #Energy, #Ukraine, #Russia, #Petrodollar, #BRICS, #Dubai, #LaraLogan, #journalism, #Podcast
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Gaurav Srivastava discusses being attacked by a disinformation campaign related to oil, sanctioned oil, money, and intrigue. He claims Russia uses millions of dollars in oil in nefarious ways through various countries to transit illegal oil, funding the war in Ukraine. He says sanctioned oil is used to evade US sanctions via the BRICS currency, which threatens the petrodollar.
Srivastava recounts meeting Neil Stroust, a Dutch oil trader, who claimed his family hated the war in Ukraine and wanted to exit the Russian oil business. Stroust allegedly used Srivastava's name and company in a facade, while secretly selling billions of dollars of Russian oil. Srivastava reported this to the US, UK, EU, and Swiss governments. He says Stroust pushed a false narrative involving the CIA to discredit him after Srivastava discovered the scheme and asked for an audit. Srivastava claims he was defrauded and ousted from his own company after investing heavily. He also says a lobbyist took money from Stroust after he was sanctioned.
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Speaker 0: This guy is using my name, my company. You know, he's using just this facade of a relationship, which is just a complete lie. On May 2023, when they pulled me out of the company, they literally changed
Speaker 1: it it in one day. Changed it one day.
Speaker 0: Without going to court Yeah. Without giving a single explanation, the the letter, which was a three line letter, said, due to discovered fraud and deceit, we have we are now amending the share register.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Going Rogue with Lara Logan. My guest this week is an a very unusual man who's had an incredible life. He's only 34 years old and he's lived more than most people ever dream of living in their lifetimes. His story is one of of intrigue and oil and spies and targeted hit campaigns. Gurav Srivastava is really just, he's an entrepreneur involved in many businesses, he's an immigrant who came to The United States when he was a young man, and has lived here all of his adult life or most of it, and and we are here today to talk about his personal story which will blow you away, but also about energy and the role of energy in geopolitics and the role of oil and how he sees this playing out in this particular moment in history.
He's also he's also a thief of Studio Dog, I don't have my dog on my lap today because Gaurav, you have stolen Studio Dog. Honey, are you cheating on me? Okay. So I would like to introduce Gaurav Srivastava, right? I said that right?
You did. Okay. Good. And we have been talking for the better part of it's about two years now.
Speaker 0: Yes. Right? We you we started this when I was in the thick of this, of the disinformation campaign against me.
Speaker 1: You were basically under attack. Yeah. And all of it has to do with oil, with sanctioned oil, with money, intrigue, and and all of those things. So okay, so I want to come to that, but before we talk about what led you to be in this position, there was some fairly big news just recently with Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. Trump appearing to President Trump appearing to be a little frustrated with President Putin in in the negotiations in Ukraine to end what is really just a really pointless war Yeah.
That has been going on for way too long. So you had an interesting take on that. Tell me what your impression was.
Speaker 0: You know, Laura, first of all, Studio Dog is very cute.
Speaker 1: And and I think,
Speaker 0: you know, it it it reminds you of the presence of God. It reminds you that God is present in every being. And when you talk of Ukraine, you talk about Russia, you talk about all the atrocities that are committed there, the people that are dying on both sides of the line. And for what nobody really understands and there are so many different narratives that are put out there. But at the end of the day, there is loss of human life.
I think
Speaker 1: Incredible suffering.
Speaker 0: And think you know, animals are reminder of how beautiful life life life is and it can be if it is given protected by the right people. What happened you know, Russia's Russia's entire defense industry complex is being run because oil has been is being used as an intelligence tool. And literally millions of dollars of oil is now used in in various nefarious ways, in very obscure ways through various countries that are in The Middle East, that are in Europe, that are in Asia, to be able to transit oil that is illegal and make it legal using banking systems, using different compliance too so that it can pass regulatory commission. And that is being funded to continue to fund the war that Putin has that Putin and Zelensky are in. Unfortunately, if you do not target the money that Putin is making from this this the invasion of sanctioned oil and being able to bring it to market, especially to China, I think it'll be very hard
Speaker 1: To get a deal.
Speaker 0: To get a deal.
Speaker 1: Okay. But let's let's
Speaker 0: I mean, you have to break the piggy bank. You have to break it.
Speaker 1: You have to well, that's really what happened in the Cold War. Yeah. Right? I mean, that's what worked ultimately, crushing the Russian economy.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: So, okay, sanctioned oil, you just mentioned that. Basically, if you can explain one of the really interesting things I learned about first learned about from you was how Russia, Iran, and other countries are using sanctioned oil to evade US sanctions.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: And I didn't I didn't really understand that there's a threshold, right, that when you slap sanctions on another country, when The US does something like that, that there's still a certain amount of trade in oil that is allowed, but you're not allowed to go beyond a certain threshold, correct?
Speaker 0: Yes. But there is a whole underground network that operates across the world, actually, to where you can take oil that is sanctioned by The US. Because we don't we can only sanction the US dollar. When you say The United States sanctions, say, Iran Mhmm. Or they sanction Russia, they're not the the the only currency that they can regulate is the US dollar.
Right. And if you're The UK, you can regulate the pound. If you're the Europe, you know, the the European currencies, but that's all that you can do. But the BRICS currency, which is Brazil, Russia,
Speaker 1: India, China, South Africa,
Speaker 0: those currencies are still okay. You can still trade in those currencies.
Speaker 1: I see. So you can't trade in US dollars in the petro dollar Correct. As it's often referred to because so many countries use the US dollar That's right. To trade in, right? Especially in the energy sector.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And but if you're trading in, you know, Chinese yen, For example, Indian rupees.
Speaker 0: Or the ruble or the ruble rupee trade, which happened because India bought billions of dollars of Russian oil. China bought billions of dollars of Russian oil, and they bought them in their local currencies in rubles. And
Speaker 1: And that's how they avoid the US Treasury Department and the Department of Justice because The US has got they got no dog in that fight.
Speaker 0: Exactly. And at the end of the day, our biggest economic weapon our biggest weapon is our economy, is our dollar, which is the petrodollar. If that is taken away from us, we will cripple The United States, and it's happening. It's happening today. Look at
Speaker 1: That's what BRICS is about.
Speaker 0: That's what BRICS is about. If you if it's happening today. You go to the you go to the pump. The price is exorbitant. It's been happening under the Biden administration.
Speaker 1: Well, you live in LA, so you have, like, among the worst energy prices in The United States.
Speaker 0: But still, it's still pretty expensive.
Speaker 1: Price of We won't hold that against you,
Speaker 0: by the Yeah. You know, LA is a very expensive place to live. But the prices are still high, the price of chicken is high, the price of eggs is high.
Speaker 1: Price of everything is high. You go to the grocery store and it's I mean, you you know, you walk out with a couple bags and you spent hundreds of dollars and you're you're left wondering how on earth does the average family do it.
Speaker 0: But you gotta ask the question, why? Where does the cost? The biggest cost in most of this is transportation. Mhmm. The tomatoes are coming from a farm.
They're going in a truck. That is then going into another truck that is getting into to your whatever your local grocery store is, and then you get in your in your car and go buy them every time you're using oil.
Speaker 1: And that's provided they're not flown in, which is more oil
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Or even brought in on container ships, which is more oil.
Speaker 0: More oil. So it's an endless loop, and unless you you clamp that, there is no way to stop the bleeding. And the the BRICS currency, which I think the BRICS currency are larger than the BRICS. Right? It is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, but it's also The UAE.
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 0: It is Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: Turkey.
Speaker 0: It is Turkey. It is Iran.
Speaker 1: And then for those people who don't know, it is basically, this is a the BRICS countries that you just listed got together and they created their own alliance Yes. To counter the power of The US The United States. Yes, and to act as a counterweight to because you know, I mean if The US is going to use the dollar, wield it as a political weapon, you can't expect that your adversaries are just going to fall on their knees and go along with it. Absolutely. So this was how, you know, a number of different countries united Mhmm.
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Speaker 0: Yep. And that's what they're that's what they have successfully done. And Russia has been if if you if you ask me, has Putin won the war? He may not he may not have got Ukraine to what level he has, but I think in a very strange way, he's already won the war.
Speaker 1: Well, he's fighting almost every country in the world. Every country in the world. In Ukraine.
Speaker 0: In in a way, he he started with essentially two superpowers, which was Russia and The United States.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And now there is we're in a multipolar world. There is China. There is India. There is The UAE. There is, you know, Qatar.
There is Saudi. There is multiple countries. So the the center of power had moved away from The United States. And I and and now he's
Speaker 1: To a degree. To a degree. Right? Because some people would would say to you, well, but Gaurav, sure they're trading in yen and whatever, but these are small trades in comparison to what's still being traded in the dollar.
Speaker 0: Yes. But I think it's like a rip in your shirt. It keeps ripping and eventually will rip your whole shirt apart.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: So it's it's like it's growing every day every day. And the and and and I think, unfortunately, the unfortunate part is we as a country are not united. We are we are we are we are in a place where we constantly fight each other. We're constantly attacking each other. Our own systems, they're weaponized against me.
How the lobbyists work, how the how the you know, how you can basically get lawyers to file bogus lawsuits, how you can file fake complaints and destroy somebody's life, destroy somebody's family, which I was the the, you know, the recipient of for no reason except to hide a lie that was being preferred, that was being pushed forward by this guy known as Neil Stroust.
Speaker 1: Okay. So let's talk about what happened to you. So, there you are, you're I mean at a very young age, early 30s? Yeah. You are in a very unusual position because you're a big player in the oil business.
I know it's not your only business, but you had a number of very successful companies. Yeah. And you were I mean, how much were you trading? What were you
Speaker 0: At that I mean, we were in the whole supply chain from from the time it comes out of the ground to in the ship and into the refinery. We were we were overlooking at the whole supply chain. And Russia was never a country I was even remotely interested in, but not a country I was even thinking about. I looked at the a lot of the countries that were not that were frontier markets in Africa or in The Middle East, but or Northern Africa, but they were not countries where where where it was Russia or it was the Chinese. So the war happens.
Right? And the
Speaker 1: Which war?
Speaker 0: The the Ukrainian war. Yes. And I don't know what the right thing is. Russian invasion of Ukraine or the or the Ukrainian war. I mean, everybody has a different interpretation of how
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. And if you're gonna go into it, you know, look at Odessa and Yeah. Lugansk and all that, and they they go back to the CIA sponsored color revolution two thousand twelve under Obama and Victoria Newland handpicking who's gonna rule Ukraine and the massacre of thousands and thousands of people across Eastern Ukraine. How Obama dismissed the Crimean, you know, referendum when when the people of Crimea in East in East of Ukraine chose to
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, chose to go with Russia. So, yeah, far you can call it let me just say, you can call it the Ukraine war.
Speaker 0: Okay. The Ukraine war.
Speaker 1: On this on this show.
Speaker 0: On the show. Yeah. So we so the so the the Ukraine war happened and I got a call, and and I have, you know, in some way gone over this when we met a couple years ago. Because at that time I was in the thick of this, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like being in the eye of a storm. Yeah. It's a tsunami. It's coming at you from every direction.
You don't know what's happened and you're And
Speaker 0: you know you don't know what's real because you are still trying to figure out where your true north is. And anyway, I get this call from a business contact of mine.
Speaker 1: And your company at the time was your oil company was oil?
Speaker 0: I was working it called Cedar West, was the holding company that
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 0: And they say, okay. There is a gentleman. His name is Neil Stroust. He was in Dubai.
Speaker 1: He want He's Dutch.
Speaker 0: He's Dutch. And he would like to meet with you because his children and his wife hate the Ukraine, you know, hate the the war what what Russia is doing in Ukraine. He wants to get out of the Russian oil business after being in it for almost thirty years. This is a veteran oil trader who's been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1: And you knew of him?
Speaker 0: I didn't know of him.
Speaker 1: I never heard of him?
Speaker 0: Never heard his name. I mean, we were not exactly in lines of work. I mean, he was in Russian oil business, which is very specific, and I had nothing to do with them. So completely different lines of effort. Right?
Anyway, I get this call. I am on a vacation in Bali and and in in Ubud, which is beautiful.
Speaker 1: And in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 0: In the middle of nowhere, Which by the way, the Wall Street Journal said that it was a secret location. It was just a beautiful forest. It's a resort. It's a So don't know if
Speaker 1: any resort that advertises can really be described Yeah.
Speaker 0: It wasn't a secret.
Speaker 1: Can accurately be described as secret.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And which is just ridiculous. And anyway so Who called you? This business contact.
Speaker 1: He called you.
Speaker 0: He called me. He said, Truist really would like to meet you. Can you come to Dubai? I said, I'm not coming to Dubai. I am gone for, like, almost two months, and I'm I don't wanna come.
I mean, if you it was a joke. I said, if you wanna come, come over. I didn't I didn't think the guy would come over, honestly. But it's like, who's gonna schlep all the way here, land at the airport? You know, there's no direct flight.
Right? You go through you have to go through multiple stops to get there. And he gets there.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's Neil's truce himself. The Russian oil trader.
Speaker 0: Russian oil trader. Now he's sanctioned.
Speaker 1: Oh, he had sanctions on him already?
Speaker 0: No. No. No. Meaning like as we speak Oh,
Speaker 1: now he's sanctioned.
Speaker 0: He's sanctioned now. So he shows up and then he brings his wife. Then he goes back and he brings his wife. And I'm like, this guy is very committed and very serious and he literally begs me to invest in his company and say my company is going bankrupt, I would like you to support my business, I would like you to give me credit facilities, I would like to move away from the Russian oil trade, my wife and family do not want to be in this, my daughter loves The United States. Literally, we had this conversation for hours about how he loves The United States.
And you know I'm a big believer in this country because this country has been very, kind to me. I mean, I came here when I was 17 years old and
Speaker 1: From India.
Speaker 0: From India. I had built a beautiful life and God's been very kind to me. So I believe in this country. So if you come to me and say, you're gonna you wanted to work in The United States and you have finally woken up, I'm in.
Speaker 1: Because what he was saying to you was that I've been working for the Russians, I've been in sanctioned oil, which is a it it is
Speaker 0: At that time, was not sanctioned. It wasn't it wasn't sanctioned. It would just started to get sanctioned. And this is the interesting part.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 0: The same journalist that wrote the article about me were the very same journalists that were targeting him. The same two journalists that wrote the articles on me were the same journalists that were writing negatively about him.
Speaker 1: And then they flipped. And then they flipped.
Speaker 0: Suddenly, they were like, he's a good guy. I mean, they did not even know my name.
Speaker 1: At that time?
Speaker 0: At that time. Did not even know my name. And this was when? This is early twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Okay. Early twenty twenty two. So there you are in the middle of nowhere, you're at a beautiful expensive retreat in surrounded by nothing.
Speaker 0: It's a monkey, it was really beautiful.
Speaker 1: And you love animals, aren't it? I love you. Since you stole Studio Dog from me.
Speaker 0: And she's already sleeping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's already sleeping, she loves you. We're going to have words about that later. Judas Iscariot. And so what happens is, you get a call from a business associate, he says this guy wants to talk to you, you make the offhand remark well, you know, I'm not going to meet him but he can come here and he does.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he comes not once but twice, and he brings his wife the second time. Yeah. And he's basically got a sub story. I need you to save my company, and I need the benefit of your contacts and relationships in The US.
Speaker 0: And your money, and your and your access to your banking facility. Right?
Speaker 1: And So what's in it for you? I mean, why on earth would you say yes to that?
Speaker 0: He has access to he has access to the Asian market space. He has buyers in Asia. Right?
Speaker 1: Which is a marketplace you weren't in.
Speaker 0: I wasn't in that market space.
Speaker 1: And I
Speaker 0: wanted to be in the market space. I wanna be in the market space in China and sell non sanctioned oil to China or sell non sanctioned oil in US dollars to India, which is the market space that he was operating in. I wasn't in those market spaces.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's a critical market space for The United States because it's
Speaker 0: It's a very important market.
Speaker 1: Were there any other American companies in that space?
Speaker 0: There are very few, very few, because the access is very hard. It's a difficult market space, and he had that.
Speaker 1: And what makes it difficult?
Speaker 0: You have to be in the machinery. You have to be being you know, you need to have the right contact with the people, the refinery. It takes time to build
Speaker 1: And these are relationships that have to be nurtured.
Speaker 0: You have to be nurtured. And he was doing that for the Russians.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Or or for the Russian companies.
Speaker 1: Right. And So it makes sense to get a partner who knows that space. Right now, somewhere in Nigeria, there's a Christian family being persecuted. Those who are not killed are often forced to flee their homes just because they believe in our savior Jesus Christ. At Equipping the Persecuted, they're committed to reaching every affected area to find these people and help heal the deep physical and emotional wounds that have been inflicted upon them.
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Speaker 0: Exactly. And I was like, this makes sense. He doesn't have the supply, we can get him the supply. He doesn't have the money, we can get him the money. But we a market space that The US company goes in, we're trading in dollars and that was the plan.
And we can expand into other things. We can go into rare earth, you know, critical supply chain, minerals. We can look at coal. We can look at other things that are not related to oil, but that are critical to what I believe is the national security of The United States, critical minerals. And that was the plan.
Right? But what I didn't know, and I only you know, hindsight is twenty twenty. What I didn't know was that this very guy
Speaker 1: Niels Trusz.
Speaker 0: Niels Truszt was doing this while he was showing me that this is what he wants to do. On the other side, he is creating essentially entire obscure mechanism to sell Russian oil for billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: I see. So this was what, a kind of cover?
Speaker 0: You know, I don't know, but I did report whatever information I had found.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And I'll go back with the story of where what happened there. Right? For billions of dollars, this this guy is using my name, my company. You know, he's using just this facade of a relationship, which is just a complete lie in in retrospect. And he has he used the same story.
When he met me, he told me that he was targeted by a CIA guy or ex CIA guy. And I think I don't know if if if Truth watches a lot of really bad Hollywood Spy movies Or he's a great bullshit artist. Or he makes, I don't know, bad Or he just is like He's a terrible Or he just loves to destroy people's lives. And I think at the end of the day, maybe he finds pleasure in that. Maybe there is a pleasure in the fact, you know, like these evil forces who have pleasure in the fact that
Speaker 1: It's a kind of dark power.
Speaker 0: Dark power that I have destroyed somebody. But, you know, there is a God, and I and I and I always believe that. There is a God. And
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry to interrupt you here, but what you're reminding me of is how, you know, Hunter Biden did this in Ukraine with the bio labs. Like, I mean, the guy that met a biota. What they were doing is they had legitimate sort of health programs and things that they were doing for public health, and then they had their off the books kind of side to Metabiotic, which was in funding bio labs and bio lab research. So Yeah. It's kind of like that with Truth, he's got he's presenting one side of the business to you, but on the but on the other side, he is doing something.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Completely. I I look, I don't I don't know about the story with with with Metabolic. With with this bio lab, but and I think it was a the kind of money that we're talking about is staggering.
Speaker 1: How much?
Speaker 0: Well, just one of the accounts was $6,000,000,000. Just one.
Speaker 1: Which account?
Speaker 0: This is the these are accounts in The Middle East. Yeah. $6,000,000,000.
Speaker 1: With who?
Speaker 0: That Trusz was lying about, that he was that he he's showing us books that his company is making no money. And the real books are making billions of dollars. Wow. Now keep in mind, I have turned every single piece of paper I had to the government of the of the of the US, the government of the UK, the EU through my lawyers, by the way, the government of the Swiss, and I have given this to everyone. And, you know, and I made sure that they understand that this is what was happening.
Speaker 1: I have copies of quite a lot
Speaker 0: of those. Exactly. Yeah. And I and I and during that time, I wrote letters to the to to the ambassadors in DC, to the Swiss ambassador, to the Turkish ambassador, to basically every you
Speaker 1: know? This is 02/2022.
Speaker 0: It's 02/22. And every single and the US Ambassador in those countries. I reached out to them to tell them what I found.
Speaker 1: Do you mean to tell me that that whole sob story that truce came to you with?
Speaker 0: A complete lie.
Speaker 1: I'm losing my business, I'm going under and bringing his wife there to really lure you in emotionally. None of that was true.
Speaker 0: None of that was true. Why? It it went it went even further. This man told me, you know, don't know. Maybe I'm a bit archaic.
He, you know, when I'm he cried to me. This is a grown 55 year old man. Cries to me, sobs, not like sobs to me and says, you know, g, I would I I I feel that you understand me. And I, you know, and I I don't know how to how to process this. And he says, my father used to beat me up and I have dreams of my hiding in my father's basement or I'm hiding in the basement of my father and the authorities are looking for me.
And they're coming after me and I don't know what to do, but he's he's he's beating me up. And this is this is what this is what this man is telling me. And I I feel sorry for
Speaker 1: this guy. And you fall for it all.
Speaker 0: And I fall for it all. And I fall and I and and, you know, he has a beautiful he has a beautiful family, and I I still believe in a beautiful family. He has a he talks about the the Western value system, the vision of The United States, living in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: He speaks your language.
Speaker 0: He speaks my language. He speaks in everything I believe.
Speaker 1: Because they've been surveilling you and they built a profile
Speaker 0: of He likes the songs I like. He John Denver. You know the songs Poem, Pres, and Promises? Exact same song. I love the song.
When
Speaker 1: you first meet someone and you're falling in love, you think, wow, that's a coincidence.
Speaker 0: That's a coincidence.
Speaker 1: And you were naive, it sounds like.
Speaker 0: You know, either I was naive or I was targeted very well.
Speaker 1: Or both.
Speaker 0: Or both. I don't think anybody's ever equipped to deal with a guy who we now believe has been sanctioned four times by EU citizens to be sanctioned.
Speaker 1: Is he a US citizen?
Speaker 0: EU citizen.
Speaker 1: EU citizen.
Speaker 0: The first EU citizen to be sanctioned, which hasn't happened before.
Speaker 1: Sanctioned by who? The UK? No. The EU. Oh, by the EU.
One of their own.
Speaker 0: That's something. That's not nothing, right? That's not nothing.
Speaker 1: So he knew every button to push.
Speaker 0: He knew every button to push. He knew every song to play. He knew Johnny Cash. He knew John he knew what I liked. He knew the songs I liked.
He knew what the buttons, what I was looking for, what I would be excited about.
Speaker 1: It felt like a kindred spirit.
Speaker 0: Exactly. And he talked about but even then, I said, listen. And this is where the journal says it's an FBI investigation. The Wall Street Journal. The Wall Street Journal says that that I, quote, unquote, sent sent did an FBI investigation, which is a lie.
So I said to him, I said, listen. I really, you know, enjoy you as a friend, and I think we connect. But I'm not, you know, I'm not exactly the the numbers guy. I mean, we've been talking for a while. It's like I'm not exactly as and I'm all over the show.
Yeah. I could be a dog trainer probably better than a businessman, but I think it's just so I said, listen, I'm gonna connect you with my friend of mine who has been with me for a long time.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: I trust him completely, and he's gonna meet you. But he's a hard nosed guy. He's gonna ask you some really tough question, and please be honest with him. Don't give stories. Normal, right?
It's not a big deal. I mean I I do that all the time in other businesses. You say, I mean
Speaker 1: You got a vet.
Speaker 0: You got a vet.
Speaker 1: You're going into someone in, you know, in the oil business, you're talking millions and millions of dollars. Right?
Speaker 0: And you're talking about a guy who was written in the Wall Street Journal, written in the Financial Times, was written in multiple publications for buying and selling Russian oil. I like the guy with all this sob story and I say, okay.
Speaker 1: I could have read this deal.
Speaker 0: I could have read this deal because I like but I like the guy. It's a distressed asset because the company was devalued
Speaker 1: According to the books they showed you.
Speaker 0: According to books they showed. And I said, okay. So anyway, he meets the guy. So my friend
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: You know, his name is Nicholas. He is he is he is on a vacation. Just just this is this is the lens they went to. He's on a vacation in in Spain with his family because this is during that time. Mhmm.
The kids the kids holidays. And I said, where are you? He said, I'm in Spain. I think it was in Marbella or somewhere. And he says I said, can you meet this guy?
He said, yeah. If he sends me a plane. No joke. No joke. The guy sends him a plane.
Truce sends him a plane to bring him and drop him back.
Speaker 1: Which makes you think that he's very serious.
Speaker 0: Which makes me think he's very serious.
Speaker 1: But how if his company was in trouble, how do you have access to a plane?
Speaker 0: He didn't he didn't he didn't I think he rented the plane.
Speaker 1: But what but how did that make sense to you?
Speaker 0: You know, when you say when you say trouble is relative. Right? Yeah. Money is relative. Trouble is relative.
So he wasn't like he wasn't it wasn't he wasn't going Bankrupt. Bankrupt, but he was close. But I don't want him to see how far he's going to go. I mean, was saying how far is the guy going go? How far is he going to is he serious?
He put his money where his mouth is?
Speaker 1: And that showed commitment to you.
Speaker 0: That showed commitment to me. He had lawyers, he had his lawyers reach out to my lawyers, he had his accountant reach out to my accountant. Mean, we had a very extensive process, right? But he's very good with paperwork. Tremendous with paperwork.
He made and he had this facade set up. Now keep in mind, we're now in Geneva in one building. And in that same building, you have the First Floor as your compliance department, company called MFT Services. The Second Floor, you have this company called Harvest Commodities. The Third Floor, you have Paramount.
So in one building, you have the entire structure to replace add and change companies. And that's how they did it. They gave us a share certificate that said, after we did the whole deal, that said, Stamped. Stamped, sealed with all the everything that makes it look real. And then within one day, they changed the share certificate.
Speaker 1: So the share certificate gave you 50% ownership of the company?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. But but the next day, they changed
Speaker 0: it. Not not not not when I say next day, it's not like next day next day. When they like, on May 2023, when they pulled me out of the company, they literally changed
Speaker 1: Changed it in one day? Changed in
Speaker 0: one day.
Speaker 1: And and and what do
Speaker 0: Without going to court Yeah. Without giving a single explanation, the the letter, which was a three line letter said, due to discovered fraud and deceit, we have we are now amending the share register.
Speaker 1: So they had so he gave you 50% of the company and over the next, what, year, year and a half Yeah. You did business Yeah. Made money?
Speaker 0: We made some money.
Speaker 1: A lot?
Speaker 0: Not a lot of money.
Speaker 1: What's not a lot to
Speaker 0: you though? I mean, it's all relative. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Right.
Speaker 0: I I I think I think we didn't we didn't make we not we didn't make money for we didn't get any money. I lost a lot of money. Let's put it that way. In retrospect, seeing in retrospect, I just I lost a lot of money on now with lawyers and
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. But at the time, the company was successful. The partnership that you two made was successful.
Speaker 0: The partnership the partnership was successful in a way because but this is what was happening. The books the company was actually making a loss on the front on the face of it. But the real company was making money. But we never saw the books. The books never added up.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Yes. And so
Speaker 0: The books never added up and what was given to what was given to me was with what was given to the government. Right? Because I was seeing the same thing.
Speaker 1: Which was the lie.
Speaker 0: Which was a lie. And to government across, you know, in Switzerland, the same story. It was a lie. It's a whole thing is a lie. And it is a they they even had, you know, big companies like KPMG, which dropped
Speaker 1: Big auditing firms.
Speaker 0: Big auditing firms. Mhmm. Dropped Paramount as a client.
Speaker 1: Paramount Oil, and that was the name of his company. Right? Of his company. That he gave you half of.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: And then when he when he pulled his exit, right, he changed the share certificate
Speaker 0: Instantly. And Without ever going to court. I mean, just imagine, you are in Switzerland. Right? And Switzerland is one of the best countries for keeping all sorts of you know, they're the best banking countries.
They they, you know, they're they're very good with when it comes to money. They keep your money safe. It's a great country to do business. You're in that country, and now one day to the next, you get kicked out. That doesn't happen.
That's a sophisticated deception program.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, but when you say from one day to the next, so one day you're going along, you think you're partnered with Niels Trusst, you own 50% of Paramount, his company, you guys are doing business and doing well. You think that you've taken this company from making a loss to being profitable.
Speaker 0: Yes. Right? And we are trying to move into other sectors. We're going into rare earth, we're going into, you know, coal. We're going into mining.
We're going going going into other sectors.
Speaker 1: Okay. But then this doesn't happen. The change doesn't happen out of nowhere. It happens
Speaker 0: It happens
Speaker 1: right. You asked for the books.
Speaker 0: I asked for the books, and I sent a message about Reagan's quote. It said, trust but verify. If they don't listen, pull the plug. And I sent him the quote. And I said, enough of the bullshit because we've been trying to audit this company for more than a year.
Speaker 1: So you took him at his word to a degree To a degree. And now you're trying to get access to the books to do this audit.
Speaker 0: To do the audit because we need to reconcile the shares.
Speaker 1: Right. And they were And he's not playing ball.
Speaker 0: He said he is sick, his mother is sick, his wife is sick, and how can I not trust him? And we are brothers and, you know, kindred spirits and we believe in the same thing. Blah blah blah blah blah. I mean, it just keeps going on.
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Speaker 0: Yeah. I had the Reagan esque moment and I said, you know, stop. I said, you should stop and stop lying, like cut it. Right after that right after that, I get this letter, which is the letter that
Speaker 1: So that's when it switched.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: And the letter says what?
Speaker 0: The letter that I sent, the letter that he sent.
Speaker 1: The letter that he sent.
Speaker 0: Nothing. Your your shares have been rescinded because of fraud and deceit. Discovered fraud and deceit. Thank you very much. Bye bye.
Wow.
Speaker 1: Three three lines. Wow. And how much money did those three lines represent?
Speaker 0: For for me, it represented, oh, I had put out a lot of capital to buy these assets. He didn't even pay you know, he hadn't paid for a lot of these assets. You know, the stories that he made, millions of dollars within he didn't these were all my contacts. These were relationships that I had been working on for a while. They were assets that I had been funding for a while.
And I brought all of that into a company that was that basically was going to be moving away from the Russian oil business. We're not going to be doing Russian oil business because I fundamentally don't agree with Russia. I don't agree I don't agree with with what Putin is doing in in in Ukraine. I, you know, I I don't know neither do I agree agree with Zelensky is doing, but that's beside the point.
Speaker 1: But you didn't wanna be, know I
Speaker 0: don't wanna be associated.
Speaker 1: Involved in that.
Speaker 0: Exactly. I don't wanna be associated with it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, you know, that's a kind of it's a staggering thing to think about, that you can be in business with someone. I mean, we're talking about the outlay of millions of dollars. Right? Yes.
And you own 50% and just like that Gone. He changes the share certificate.
Speaker 0: And then and then and then then the nightmare starts. So next, I get this letter. Next day, I write a letter or my lawyers write a letter to very aware. Mhmm. To every you know, it's very therapeutic to talk about this really stressful time with
Speaker 1: Yeah. With studio studio dog. She's very
Speaker 0: she's very It's it's you know, it's it's you know, it's just because this is a was a very traumatic time as you know. I mean, this was a very, very hard time for
Speaker 1: me. Yes. I saw you in that time. Yeah. And You were super stressed.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's very hard. But anyway, so I say, okay. Next day,
Speaker 1: I And did you think that letter was real when you got it? No. I mean, did you not think this is what is this? This is nuts.
Speaker 0: No. I thought that no. I thought that there was gonna be a dispute. We're gonna go to court. You know what happens?
People are greedy. You know, that when they see, you know, money is involved, people are greedy. I I I get that. Right? But I never thought that my entire life would never be the same.
Never I never thought that. Never contemplated that. But what I did was the right thing. I went to the I went to the different ambassadors in DC, the different US Ambassadors in those countries, and I said and I said, look, this is what I got, and I believe the guy is hiding a lot of money. He's stealing a lot of money and I believe he's he's selling sanctioned Russian oil.
This is right after that. Right after, right then, I reported everything. Even before that, I reported everything on what I found. The moment I discovered that he was trading in Russian sanction oil, I reported it. Not even a beat skipped.
Then what happened? Then
Speaker 1: Well, just before you do that, before you go on to explain that, just explain that to me because you can trade in Russian oil even if it's sanctioned in
Speaker 0: He was saying he was selling it above the price cap.
Speaker 1: Above because there's a fixed price. Right?
Speaker 0: Yes. The that this came under the Biden administration. So $60 per barrel was a fixed price cap. And he was selling the oil above the price cap. Not only were he selling above the price cap, he was using a mechanism in Switzerland in Dubai using a mechanism in which he had every employee in Switzerland had a US had a UAE phone number and a Swiss phone number, a UAE email and a Swiss email.
But they were actually based in Switzerland. It was an invasion of the sanction regime. So he was fudging everything. I mean, I'm saying everything. He is fudging everything from phone number to records to emails to I mean, is Bernie Madoff.
Essentially, this guy is Bernie Madoff.
Speaker 1: He's like a Bernie Madoff in the oil business.
Speaker 0: In the oil business.
Speaker 1: But now and and weren't you weren't your bank accounts and company, wasn't it all based in Dubai at that time?
Speaker 0: It was based in it was they were based in Dubai and Switzerland at
Speaker 1: that time. Okay. And you were physically where?
Speaker 0: I was in LA. I was in LA.
Speaker 1: But he was living in Switzerland?
Speaker 0: He was living in he he was living basically in Dubai most of the time.
Speaker 1: And what he did was he got people within the regulatory agencies in Dubai. They were already on his payroll.
Speaker 0: No. Well, not the agency. It's the banks. So the banks have a lot of the lower level guys that just pass through the compliance. And, you know, Dubai was in a gray list at that time because of practices like this.
And now they have hopefully changed their procedures because now they are back to a I don't know what they call, like a white list or something. If there is such a thing with The Middle East, they they are now hopefully doing better compliance. Right? And they made it up. They made the books up.
Speaker 1: Made the cook the books.
Speaker 0: They cook the accounts. They cook the sheets.
Speaker 1: They made it look like And Like you had never owned that?
Speaker 0: Like I had I had never owned it. And they lied because I filed a case. I filed a criminal complaint against Niels Truist in The UAE. Niels Truist and Francois Moran and the bunch of them. My father, criminal
Speaker 1: And Francois Moran was working for Niels. Mhmm. And and The UAE, just so peep for people who don't know, Dubai is really the capital of The UAE, The United Arab Emirates.
Speaker 0: They're not the Abu Dhabi is the capital.
Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi is the capital.
Speaker 0: But but but this kind of for for for trade, for banking
Speaker 1: Dubai is the center.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And, you know, I I gotta tell you, sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid, the the ruler of The UAE, the ruler of Dubai, sorry, not The UAE. The ruler of UAE is Mohammed bin Al Nayan. Both of them tremendous visionaries to be able to create what
Speaker 1: What they have created in the desert.
Speaker 0: Has created in the desert. Is completely amazing.
Speaker 1: With shopping centers, with indoor It would isn't it? Snows.
Speaker 0: I mean, keep in mind, I mean, I I
Speaker 1: I Slopes and
Speaker 0: I I remember this. Expo twenty twenty is in in Dubai, and I'm there, and I'm standing at this deck looking at this crowd of people. This is to not to die to to digress, but I just remembered by the Dubai. And you see a crowd of people, all colors, all shapes, all sizes. By the way, none of these people will ever become Emiratis, ever become Emiratis because they are always going to be on this permanent residence permit or the gold card visa or whatever.
But they will never it's not like America. It's not like you can live here and become a
Speaker 1: citizen. No. No. No. It's very close club.
Very close club. You can play on our terms.
Speaker 0: But you you have to be born into it.
Speaker 1: Right. And we can kick you out anytime we want.
Speaker 0: But think about this. Expo twenty twenty Dubai is announced, and the entire crowd erupts about how great for Dubai is to be hosting this. And you gotta give it to that man, Mohammed bin Rashid. He has been able to put that together, which is which is, if you think about it, it's like, I'm never gonna be a citizen here. I can be gone at any given time, but he has made people believe, which I mean is very safe for women, very safe for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Well, okay. It's also built on slave labor and all the people that come from The Philippines all the other countries, yes, that are paid next to nothing whose passports are taken when they get there, who have absolutely no rights. It's rife with Russian prostitutes, it's rife with black money, It's rife with money laundering for terrorist organizations. So I'm going to let you wax lyrical about wonders of Dubai because you have all your business over there. No.
Speaker 0: It's not about the
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 0: No. No. It's not about it's not about wonders Dubai. I just say I just I just think that, you know, anything that it grows too fast has issues. Anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, even things that grow slowly have issues.
Speaker 0: Yes. But
Speaker 1: If we're if we're honest about it
Speaker 0: But things that grow too fast have issues. Right? So I think that I think that especially in the case of Dubai, I think they have you're right. There there's plenty of issues there. And especially now, it's it's become a very I mean, all the all this activity that we're talking about, Russia and Iranian, it's all it's all out of there.
Speaker 1: Yes. All the terrorist money, all the money laundering.
Speaker 0: It's it's
Speaker 1: it's But it is a miracle. It's a model.
Speaker 0: It's model.
Speaker 1: To see. Is it is I've been there many times coming out of the battlefields of Iraq and sometimes Afghanistan going through Dubai. I mean, you you almost can't believe your eyes.
Speaker 0: I mean, they have been very nice, you know, they were Sure.
Speaker 1: They want your money and your business.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But they were but they were they were they were honest. You know, that's what I'm gonna tell you. When I filed the case
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: They were which everybody told me. They said, the police is not gonna act because because it's the same thing. They were, you know, it's corrupt and this and that and the other, but they did act. They did act. They did things that they were that they did act.
They were very expeditious in their in in their investigations. They they did everything by the book.
Speaker 1: And they froze the money in the company. Right?
Speaker 0: The money
Speaker 1: in the company. Money?
Speaker 0: At that time, I think it was 800 some million dollars from just one account.
Speaker 1: And you would have owned half of that?
Speaker 0: Depe now this is where I don't know how much of this is is is given that he was using this to do sanction You
Speaker 1: don't know exactly where those lines are.
Speaker 0: Where those lines are.
Speaker 1: So Okay. And why was it in Dubai that that you went to the police in Dubai? Why didn't you go to the police in Switzerland?
Speaker 0: I did that too.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you went to the police in both countries? Yes.
Speaker 0: I did that too.
Speaker 1: And they both worked with you?
Speaker 0: They worked with me. I have no problem with any of them. They were very nice.
Speaker 1: But their money was physically in bank accounts in Dubai?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And
Speaker 1: money in Switzerland too?
Speaker 0: And we have a case going on in Switzerland currently where we have filed a case against mister Troost and his cohorts.
Speaker 1: And how much money is at stake here?
Speaker 0: Switzerland, I think about it's about a hundred and 50 something that is at stake.
Speaker 1: A hundred and 51.
Speaker 0: A hundred and 50 million that's in stake.
Speaker 1: So you're talking millions, other people talking dollars.
Speaker 0: But it's still dollars.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. It's a whole another level.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, it's you're dealing with oil. It's oil. Dealing with oil. It's it's the currency that and this is what I you know, this is what we talk about, Laura, many times.
It's like this is the currency that moves the world. And I personally look, I am I like we discussed many times. I feel I'm incredibly blessed. God's been very kind to me. Even though I have had my own tribulations, I have been through you know, I tried to kill myself two times.
We talked about this
Speaker 1: of what they did
Speaker 0: to me.
Speaker 1: Destroyed your reputation reputation destroyed your businesses.
Speaker 0: Everything completely finished me.
Speaker 1: And the targeted information campaign against Four
Speaker 0: hundred and 30 seven articles, paid to play articles.
Speaker 1: Oh, you can look at me, you can Google your name right now. Gaurav, g a u r a v, Srivastava.
Speaker 0: And it's a it's it's a debacle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was one thing after another.
Speaker 0: And not and, you know, and and it was it was just but, know, I have faith. You know, I I I found a lot of faith in this in this time, and I kept reading, you know, I was at I was at church multiple times during this time. And
Speaker 1: And and you're Catholic, by the way. Yeah. Right? Yes. And and always was Catholic growing up in India?
Speaker 0: Well, I went to a Catholic school in while I was growing up. I went to a school called Saint Columbus in India, which was a Catholic school. And and there is a great the Psalm 23. It's Psalm 23 or 32, the valley of death.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's 23.
Speaker 0: Yeah. 23.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The way I walk through the valley
Speaker 0: of the shadow of death. And and it is it's a very powerful.
Speaker 1: Oh, It's
Speaker 0: a very powerful Very. When you read that, you can actually feel that God's there. You can feel that it's there. And I have and I've felt it multiple times, two times. When you are at a stage where you are where you where everything that you have built is taken away from you.
At a moment of time, when you have spent your life trying to build something. I mean, keep in mind, I came here when I was 17. I didn't know a soul. I didn't know, you know, I didn't know anybody. Right?
And I came to The United States well, I came to well, that's not exactly I came to when I was four here to get a kidney
Speaker 1: When you were tiny.
Speaker 0: When I get a kidney surgery.
Speaker 1: Because you were actually, you were close to dying.
Speaker 0: Yes. I had a ureter twisted, and it was I couldn't pee, which, you know, you get urea buildup. I used
Speaker 1: to be
Speaker 0: writhing writhing in pain every night.
Speaker 1: And your parents brought you here to see My parents brought
Speaker 0: me here to The US, and we I was in Cleveland, Ohio, and that's where I spent some time, and I you know, the The US healed me. In a I never knew I was gonna come back. Right? Sometimes When
Speaker 1: you came here as a little boy.
Speaker 0: I never knew that. I learned how to walk again because I was had
Speaker 1: You were very, very sick.
Speaker 0: I had tubes hanging out of me. I had a catheter, which was painful. I mean, it was brutal.
Speaker 1: And your parents brought you here to The US for treatment because
Speaker 0: It's not
Speaker 1: You couldn't get that kind of treatment in India.
Speaker 0: Yes. And luckily, you know, they had the resources to do that. They were blessed enough to have the resources to do that.
Speaker 1: And they did what?
Speaker 0: I got a surgery.
Speaker 1: No, but your father did what?
Speaker 0: My father is also in business. He was in business in India So
Speaker 1: you were a fairly well off family in India.
Speaker 0: Yeah, yeah. We had a multigenerational family business. So the narrative that mister Trusz comes up with that I basically came to exist because of him is is retarded, literally retarded. I mean, I've been, you know, multigeneration of business. This is not exactly what's more
Speaker 1: of come from poverty. No.
Speaker 0: I didn't no. But I didn't but it but we came from a lot of adversity. You know, we under I understand what it is to be out there. I mean, we went through we traveled the world. We understood exactly what it is to And
Speaker 1: when you were little, you you stayed in The US how long when you came for that surgery?
Speaker 0: I think almost a year, year and a half I was here. Because, you know, I was supposed to have my surgery. It was supposed to take only six months.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And the day of the surgery, they told me not to eat anything or, like, anything. And I had Oreo cookies. That's the boycott.
Speaker 1: You were always a bad boy.
Speaker 0: I was always a bad boy. It's never it's it's it's it's it's always been it's that's been the consistent thrill
Speaker 1: line. So so okay. What happened then?
Speaker 0: Well, I said I can't I can't operate on you. And and and that's just what and and then I ended up going back, staying in Cleveland, stayed for a couple more months till they couldn't find any more Oreo cookies and then they operate. I still have a scar, you know, from that Mhmm. From that surgery. But things became difficult because I couldn't swim, little things, which are not big things, but I couldn't swim because the doctor recommended not to swim.
Little things I couldn't do. But over time, things got better. Right? And then I did not have the best grades when I was in school in Indiana.
Speaker 1: No. You were a bad boy in school too.
Speaker 0: Yes. It's consistent through life. So I couldn't get into so I I ended up going to a little university in Saint Charles, Missouri.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you go back to India
Speaker 0: I finished my then
Speaker 1: came back. You finished high school.
Speaker 0: High school.
Speaker 1: And you came back to The US when you were 17.
Speaker 0: That's right. And I was going through I was at this school was called in Saint Saint Charles, Missouri, right at the border of the Missouri River Mhmm. Which is which is beautiful. And though they had only one company called the Greenway Taxi Company, there was no Uber then. And yet, like, call the company, like, an hour in advance to be able to get the one taxi that was in town.
Speaker 1: What year was this?
Speaker 0: This is I think this is when when Obama was just running. I remember just because it was a hope the all hope campaign was coming in.
Speaker 1: So Obama was coming into office.
Speaker 0: Was coming into office.
Speaker 1: And you were going into into school Yes. In right there in the Missouri Exactly.
Speaker 0: So but I but I but I stayed there for only a little bit and then I moved to USC.
Speaker 1: And you dropped out?
Speaker 0: No. No. No. I moved to USC.
Speaker 1: Okay. Then you dropped out.
Speaker 0: Then I
Speaker 1: dropped out. You were kidding.
Speaker 0: You were calling.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear.
Speaker 0: Just to be clear. And I and then I I remember my grade point wasn't that great because I I was always interested in a lot there's so much going on in the world and I really think that if you have to focus on what's going on with the understanding of the global scene, think is not exactly understood within the university complex. And, I mean, you understand this. When you are out there, you are it's just a different world.
Speaker 1: It is a different world.
Speaker 0: And, you know, I have traveled to a lot of the places that that you have traveled to. Mhmm. And now in a different capacity, I don't wanna drink coffee on your floor.
Speaker 1: But some people learn from experience
Speaker 0: Better than
Speaker 1: And some people learn, you know, from The books. From books. And some people learn from both. I mean, most people learn from a little bit of both, but yours was primarily you wanted to Experience. Yes.
Speaker 0: I wanted to go out there and I think that's what really made all the difference.
Speaker 1: And we've diagnosed you with dyslexia now. Yes, You and I have.
Speaker 0: I think so.
Speaker 1: Doctors Logan and Srivastava have now made the determination because
Speaker 0: I think that's something
Speaker 1: that Well, just because knowing you, you know, you have this big brain, big vision, big perspective that is very consistent with people who live on that side of their brain.
Speaker 0: It's like it's like what Trump calls the weave.
Speaker 1: Possibly.
Speaker 0: He calls it the weave. Was watching his interview with Rogan and he goes off the tangent and Rogan says, what are you doing? He said, is called the weave.
Speaker 1: The weave? That's funny. Yeah, know a few people who do the weave.
Speaker 0: It's called the weave.
Speaker 1: I've the weave in a number of interviews. But the point is really just that you do have a visionary kind of mind and the way that you look at the world. And that is not I mean, school is not always built for that.
Speaker 0: No. I think you're you're supposed to think in boxes, right? You're supposed to think A and B, C is supposed to happen. I mean, you know, I'm I'm here telling you that the entire oil industry that is out there, the petrodollar is being essentially destroyed, and I'm telling you that oil is an intelligence tool.
Speaker 1: Meaning Yeah. Meaning a lot of
Speaker 0: the stuff that's out there that is being told in the boxes isn't true.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's a lot of people who would defend those boxes.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Very successful people, very accomplished people who will say that's ridiculous. US oil and the petro dollar are still much more powerful than anything else. These are fringe efforts. They're going to fail.
Speaker 0: Time will tell.
Speaker 1: Will tell.
Speaker 0: Time will tell.
Speaker 1: That's your one cliche. Time will I limit it to one cliche per interview. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 0: Time will tell.
Speaker 1: Just do not say truth is like a lion.
Speaker 0: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Because then you'll, yeah, you're out.
Speaker 0: No. No. Truth I I truth is like, I I don't know. The thing about truth is what do you think about truth? That he says John second says this.
It's like, the truth shall set you free.
Speaker 1: And it always does.
Speaker 0: And it always and I think and I and I do believe that.
Speaker 1: I do believe that too.
Speaker 0: And I do believe that. And I think deep inside, I think that's really what what what I believe.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what, you know, when you get attacked and targeted like that, part of what kills you with a false narrative out there or many false narratives is if you really do believe and try to live true to yourself, and and that means being honest with yourself as much as you can. It's very hard to live with that lie and deceit, but then also at the same time, it's also what keeps you going. Because when you have the truth
Speaker 0: You you become much more aware when
Speaker 1: you're your power.
Speaker 0: When you're being when you're being attacked, you know? And look, I was attacked. I I my I mean, there was an article that came out in Pakistan today. In India, I filed a lawsuit. I won the lawsuit against
Speaker 1: A defamation suit.
Speaker 0: A defamation suit against the entire Indian media. And I was able to prove that these things were paid. So These
Speaker 1: are yeah. These are not many of them are not real articles. It's not and now some of them are journalists going out and writing them, but what they what Niels Truth essentially did was was pay people to write nasty articles about you.
Speaker 0: I mean if you think about it, this is exactly what happened. So when he couldn't, when he went down the procedure of, so after he rescinded the shares.
Speaker 1: He falsified He falsified the shares. The documents, stripped you of your shares.
Speaker 0: Stripped me of my shares. After that, he went his lawyer goes on a letter writing campaign to every single contact I had. And I'm not kidding. Every single contact I had.
Speaker 1: And you had pretty extensive contacts?
Speaker 0: I had pretty and I still do. And all those people never left me.
Speaker 1: Okay. But wait, not all of them because some of them left you. The Democratic party dumped you.
Speaker 0: Those people, I think, the people that the people that I don't think the party dumped. I think the I think the cert I think the party as a whole may not be representative of what certain people are trying to do.
Speaker 1: Okay. But powerful people in the democratic establishment dumped you.
Speaker 0: And that happened because of a guy named by the name of Ankit Desai.
Speaker 1: Who's a lobbyist?
Speaker 0: Who is a lobbyist. Interestingly, he's also the lobbyist for TikTok and he was also lobbyist for Venezuela, for Venezuelan oil.
Speaker 1: Nice guy.
Speaker 0: Nice guy. So he
Speaker 1: has extensive connections to And to Venezuela.
Speaker 0: And he was an ex Biden aide and he got, I don't know, 1.4 or 1.5, I don't know the exact number, but he got a lot of money from Truist.
Speaker 1: From Niels Troost, your After
Speaker 0: he was sanctioned.
Speaker 1: After Troost was sanctioned.
Speaker 0: After Troost was sanctioned.
Speaker 1: The UK government?
Speaker 0: By the UK government.
Speaker 1: For doing what? For trading in sanctioned oil?
Speaker 0: He said for aiding and abating the government of Russia and for and for the unfettered trade of sanctioned Russian oil.
Speaker 1: Okay. So violating the trade in sanctioned Okay. Let's just go back to your extensive connections though that Niels Truth was writing to. Anke Desai was Biden aide?
Speaker 0: Biden aide.
Speaker 1: Gave money to Biden, right?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: How much?
Speaker 0: Well, I gave part the party. D triple c. I mean, couple million dollars we had given at that time.
Speaker 1: A couple million dollars.
Speaker 0: And we had given him we had
Speaker 1: and, you know What were you thinking?
Speaker 0: I have only one agenda. I've always had only one agenda.
Speaker 1: Which is what?
Speaker 0: Which is for for and whenever I sat in the meeting with any of these people, and I met with a bunch of them, I'd always talked about the same thing from Chuck Schumer to Pelosi to the president to any of these people.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Amos Hoxie.
Speaker 0: Amos Hoxie. I always talked about one thing, which is the same thing we talk about. What? Which is oil is is an intelligence tool. It is we are being used by our adversaries to basically, you know, cajole us.
It's a lie. And let's wake up and let's take control of the narrative and let's get, you know, take the oil and bring it back to the bring it back to The United States and drop the price of oil. That's always my narrative.
Speaker 1: One of the first things you ever said to me when we first sat down face to face was that there's so much money in oil that you can still be very very rich and reduce the price of oil substantially to improve the lives of people everywhere. And you've always
Speaker 0: believed that. I believe that way to you have to pass your wealth down to the people. It has to happen. Because a country you don't want a Mary Antoinette moment in America. You just don't.
You don't want a moment where the people are suffering.
Speaker 1: Well, you just don't. I don't I mean, I can't bear suffering.
Speaker 0: It's just it's painful. Mean, you I mean
Speaker 1: Why should people live in poverty, mired in poverty? I mean,
Speaker 0: you go to Compton or you go to even but you go to Baltimore and you go to Let
Speaker 1: me tell you, you go around here. I live in a county that has the highest number of millionaires living in any county in the state of Texas because a lot of wealthy people retire from Houston and Dallas. And you know what? You can find people doing two jobs, three jobs who are still living just hovering above the poverty line. I
Speaker 0: can never forget this. In in I was going to Inglewood, which is near in in in LA, and my car was out of gas, so I pulled in, which is near the gas station.
Speaker 1: You are a bit of a reckless driver. We have established this a number of times.
Speaker 0: No, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh-huh.
Speaker 0: You were running But
Speaker 1: didn't make my flight.
Speaker 0: You were running late. Running late. You came to the office and you were running late.
Speaker 1: I was like, are you sure you're not South African? Because this reminds me a lot of home.
Speaker 0: But you you had to make your flight.
Speaker 1: I did. This is true.
Speaker 0: You you know, you you said you you came out to see me, and I did not want you to miss
Speaker 1: your flight. Okay. So you ran out of gas?
Speaker 0: So I ran out of gas. Anyway, this is the weave.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. The weave. I might be guilty.
Speaker 0: So we I ran out of gas and then I I pulled into the gas station. Mhmm. And there's this woman with her with the with with with with the baby in the car, and she rolled the windows down, and she's staring at the pump. Literally staring at the pump. And I am you know, I just put in the put in my gas, and I'm watching it get filled.
And she's staring at the pump, and she's counting. She goes into the into her cup holder, and she's counting the the pennies she has. And I just chatted and, you know, I like talking to people.
Speaker 1: You talk to everyone?
Speaker 0: I talk to everyone. I love talking to people. So I I asked her, said, how's your day? So what's going on? And and and she said, you know, it's been a it's it's a very tough day today.
And I said, why? She said, I just came. I'm she said, I'm I just I just worked down the street. I just finished my second job. I'm trying to take my daughter to her to her to an to to Chuck E.
Cheese, and I I can't go because I was expecting the price to be a certain price, and I don't have the kind of money. And I'm a single mom. This is a this is an African American woman, and I'm and and and and her her her eyes are teary eyed. I mean, just she just lost. And I said, so what are gonna do?
I said, so what are gonna do? And she said, I don't I I I don't know. Maybe I'll tell my daughter that I cannot take her. And I said to her, I said, listen. Why don't why don't don't worry about it.
Just fill your fill your fill your fill your gap, fill your tank up, and I will pay it inside. And here is a hundred dollars and go take your daughter's truck. And at that moment of time, realized that that is what matters. That is exactly what matters. And that's what we are fighting for.
We are fighting for that woman. We are fighting for that we are fighting for that that little girl who trying to go to Chuck E. Cheese. We're fighting for that mom who just came out of of her working three jobs or two jobs and is staring at the pump, but she's not able to figure out what you know, she doesn't understand global politics, geopolitics, Russia, and China, and Iran, and it doesn't make sense. All she's trying to do is to fill that pump up so she can take her daughter to Chuck E.
Cheese. And to me, it's always been about that. It is about that because at the end of the day, we can make a lot of money and we have God very kind and you can make a lot of money. But at the end of the day, for me, I believe that God puts you in difficult places so you can create the journey to make life better for other people. And that has kind of been my goal.
That is my goal. And that's why I go into the things I do and countries I go and places I go and
Speaker 1: It's kinda like when you've been through a lot of adversity, as you said. But when you're blessed, it's it's kinda this realization that comes to you that God gives you these blessings to share in whatever way, whatever form that may be, but that they're they're meant to be shared. And it's it's very distinct. It's not a Marxist kind of ideology at all. It's just about doing the right thing for the right reason and understanding that you're not the center of your life.
Even though we all feel that we're the center of our lives and no one feels that more than teenagers. Right? You see it in them, they're the center of their life because they're trying to figure it out and they're trying to get to a place where they can take care of themselves. It's that it's that moment when you see a newborn calf or deer or horse, right?
Speaker 0: He's trying to stabilize.
Speaker 1: On his legs. Yeah. Yes, and so human beings take a longer time to get to that point, and so of course, you know, you can be, it's easy to be blinded by that struggle.
Speaker 0: But I think that at some stage, every single person requires to stabilize, Yes. And I think I've seen this so many times, not only there, I mean, I've seen this many times in Baltimore City, I've seen this across The United States because I love to talk to people. I love to know what's happening in their lives and how I can help.
Speaker 1: Oh, you actually like people.
Speaker 0: I love people. And I think that they are because you see, I don't see a difference between me and and and that mom. I don't see a difference between me and a person on the thing. I don't see a
Speaker 1: Or or the president sitting in front of you.
Speaker 0: No. For me for me for me, they're all the same.
Speaker 1: Well, all people are born equal.
Speaker 0: We are we put we put I mean, I don't believe in the concept of blue blood. I think we all bleed red.
Speaker 1: Which is funny because you know a few blue blooded folks.
Speaker 0: No. I do know a few blue blooded, but I don't believe but I still but we all but we all bleed red. And by the way, wore this blue because it looks good. Otherwise, I wouldn't otherwise, I wouldn't have worn that.
Speaker 1: Well, and so, okay, Gaurav, let's go let's go back just a a step for people, and and we haven't really explained what happened to you because, you know, you go into work one day and you've got this growing sense of unease, right, that over time as you're trying to order the and asking questions, it's dawning on you that this person may not be, you know, being honest. And then you bring in an accounting firm, right? Yeah. And they don't get full access, but they see enough to tell They
Speaker 0: see enough to tell me that there is a big problem.
Speaker 1: And just at the moment that you realized there's a big problem and you put, as they say, put the screws to Niels Truist, your Dutch partner, he that's when he he flips the switch.
Speaker 0: That's
Speaker 1: right. And overnight, you're locked out of the company.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Locked out of the computers.
Speaker 0: Everything.
Speaker 1: Change all the passwords.
Speaker 0: Everything.
Speaker 1: Change the documents.
Speaker 0: Literally overnight. Like that.
Speaker 1: And you don't and you know, when that happens to you And and
Speaker 0: and this guy goes from calling me five times a day
Speaker 1: Yeah. To ghosting you. To ghosting me.
Speaker 0: And I sent him a message. This is how pathetic the story is. Yeah. I sent him a message, question, question, question. I didn't tell him fuck you.
I should have told him fuck you. Yeah. But I didn't do that. I said question, question, question. And he ignored it.
And no. And he and he ignored it but he said that was a sign of my desperation.
Speaker 1: Mean I'm You used it later
Speaker 0: against I'm like, You call me five times a day and now I send you three question marks and that is my sign of desperation?
Speaker 1: Okay, so what happens next though is pretty staggering. And I, you know, from the first time you told me about it, I recognized the tactics of information warfare. Yeah. Right? Because he has now stolen everything from you, he's fabricated documents, but he instantly turns the tables on you.
Speaker 0: And that's when the story of the CIA and
Speaker 1: That you claimed
Speaker 0: By the way, I never claimed to be the CIA. No, everybody
Speaker 1: He says that you claimed to be the CIA and you have this shadowy friend who also claimed to be CIA?
Speaker 0: Who was the shadowy friend?
Speaker 1: John. Well, he's not.
Speaker 0: There's not there's nothing shadowy about it.
Speaker 1: And there's also not a claim.
Speaker 0: There is not a claim. He is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we wanna mention his name here just for the sake of his privacy, but but I mean, you you had a really good friend who was Yeah. In the agency, and they they tried to sort of create this cloak and dagger kind of well, they did. They didn't try. They did create this narrative around you.
Speaker 0: I mean, you know, I have a lot of friends from the intelligence community, but they're
Speaker 1: Of course, you're in oil.
Speaker 0: I'm in oil.
Speaker 1: You're in oil and you're dealing with that those levels of money and power and influence?
Speaker 0: We have I have
Speaker 1: You probably have contacts in many different intelligence agencies.
Speaker 0: Many different agencies. That's not that's not the
Speaker 1: And half your contacts, you don't even know if they're in those agencies.
Speaker 0: I don't know that. I I would like to I I would I would like to remain naive.
Speaker 1: Hey, that got you in trouble once before.
Speaker 0: Learn your lesson. I wanna I wanna go back to that. I think it's better to no. Not naive. I you know, it's like it's like somebody told me one time, he said, people are like projector screens.
They show you an image, you see the image. But over time, experience gives you a dab, like a knife. You cut through it. Yeah. And then you see an ugly little projector.
And I try to, and for now, because of the of the tumultuous two and a half years, I wanna enjoy my enjoy the image. I don't wanna cut through right now.
Speaker 1: Well, and also at your core, you do believe in the goodness of humanity. So so while you recognize that those things exist, you don't wanna live like There's
Speaker 0: a lot of good people, you know, in the world, a lot of good people in the world who have supported me, a lot of good people supported me. I'm still here, You know? I'm still here after a brutal assault. I'm still here.
Speaker 1: So what was the assault? But Just can you describe Yeah.
Speaker 0: So after this whole thing came up, I am now left pondering what what's going on.
Speaker 1: And trying to figure it out.
Speaker 0: I'm trying to figure out, like, what what happened?
Speaker 1: What just happened to
Speaker 0: me? What just happened to me?
Speaker 1: I got blindsided.
Speaker 0: I got blindsided. I feel very stupid. And I am So I wake up 6AM in the morning and I an article in Pakistan today that says the story, you know, CIA, blah blah blah, the whole story.
Speaker 1: Well, tell us the story.
Speaker 0: Story is what? The story says that mister Neil Strauss has been has been duped by me in a CIA
Speaker 1: con man.
Speaker 0: That I'm a con man. I'm a fraud. I am this which I've never been. This is the first time this all came to light.
Speaker 1: No one's ever accused
Speaker 0: you that accused me of this before. And they fabricated cases against me. They fabricated lies against me. And I thought it's gonna go away because it was in a Pakistan outlet. And it wasn't true.
And it wasn't true. Multiple but it's something like one time, two times, three times. And I'm like, okay. Well, it still did not come out in a major outlet. Then these AI videos start coming out.
These fake puppet videos start coming out. Showing what? Showing me in like a, you know, different like in different like CIA badges and outfits and, you know, they start creating images of me with money reigning behind me.
Speaker 1: Because that's like how every real spy
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Operates, right, with a with a badge.
Speaker 0: With a badge. And then and then and then, you know, they made an image of me with swords behind me. Project Brazen did that, that Bradley Hopes platform.
Speaker 1: I really wanna talk about Project Brazen. Yeah. We'll come back to that.
Speaker 0: They so they wrote a story. It's I I don't I forgot the name of the story. I I tried to block out all this stuff in my head. Anyway, they wrote two stories on me. One of the stories had me with literally swords behind my head, and the story they made was that I said that these swords were given to me by different heads of state.
I have a sword collection. I have different kinds of collections. I mean, it's just nothing to do with any head of state. I like collecting. You know, I I I I like collecting different historical items.
I think they they mean something. And I collect everything from maps to books to swords to all kinds to coins, which are historical artifacts that show the story. But they took that part of the story, and they created a picture of me with with a red background. And that was the front page of that. Then they wrote an entire article.
They never reached at me they never reached out to me for comment. Never. Never said what you have to say. Nothing.
Speaker 1: And what is Project Brazen?
Speaker 0: So never heard about them. Project Brazen is there are two journalists, Bradley Hope and Tom Wright.
Speaker 1: From The Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 0: From The Wall Street Journal, that have a Singapore owned company. This is an interesting structure. Singapore owned company that has a UK subsidiary and they are essentially running this entity that is exposing these big fish. And Bradley made his name on this book called A Billion Dollar Whale which was Joe Yes.
Speaker 1: Now interestingly And people can look that up. Yeah. Billion Dollar Whale was a big story. They've done documentary films.
Speaker 0: Do you know who do you know do you know the firm that represented Jolo was the firm that Bradley Hope was investigating at that time? That exact firm, and I don't know if I should mention their name or not, but that exact firm is the same firm that represented Niels Trusst.
Speaker 1: The law firm.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: Okay. So Bradley Hope though was a former Wall Street Journal Former
Speaker 0: Wall Street
Speaker 1: Journal Reporter. His partner?
Speaker 0: Tom Wright, I think he's also Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal. Also Wall Street Journal. And they're they're pretty much like the Fusion GPS of your story. Yeah. It's another one of these companies that is founded out of former Wall Street Journal reporters who have, you know, completely crossed the line from journalism into sort of intrigue, political world, intelligence and they claim to be exposing people, have an enormous amount of
Speaker 0: They have a
Speaker 1: money behind them.
Speaker 0: They have a tremendous amount of resources.
Speaker 1: Resources, yes.
Speaker 0: Because you know, I mean independent journalism isn't cheap.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not cheap at all.
Speaker 0: And they are are spending a lot of money And how do they pick this? I mean, am think about it. I am not somebody, by the way. I was relatively unknown in right. I was unknown.
For all intents and purposes
Speaker 1: Yeah. You may have been, you know, sort of I would know you. Known in the in the industry.
Speaker 0: Industry, but nobody knew of me. Yeah. And how why why did and, you know, why would you repeat a story that had been repeated just to the journalist? If you see a story that has been printed 300 times, the same story, why would you pick that up pick that story up and write it again?
Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't.
Speaker 0: And you would question why is that happening? And what happened is
Speaker 1: And you would also notice, by the way, because when you look at the a lot of the hit pieces on you, a lot of them are the same.
Speaker 0: They're all the same. Everything from the Wall Street Journal to Financial Times to Project Brazen to India to, you know, to the Indian Indian Tribune or
Speaker 1: Hunting whales.
Speaker 0: Hunting whale, all the same.
Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, there's some there's details that differ, but the story is essentially that you're this con man that presented yourself as if you were working for the CIA, that it was all a lie, and that you stole Neil Trus
Speaker 0: Company.
Speaker 1: Company.
Speaker 0: He stole the company.
Speaker 1: He's the victim, and you're the and you're the fraudster.
Speaker 0: And check this out. After he spun the story, Then even even the Financial Times says, Niels says that I have mounted a massive disinformation campaign against him and therefore he's been sanctioned. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Like, who are you to be so powerful that you can get foreign governments to do that?
Speaker 0: I can
Speaker 1: get EU
Speaker 0: has what? 23 countries? I don't like, 20 it it needs unanimous consent of 23 countries, including his own parliament.
Speaker 1: Was he the first EU citizen?
Speaker 0: I think he still is the first EU
Speaker 1: To be sanctioned by the EU?
Speaker 0: I think he still is the first EU citizen to be sanctioned.
Speaker 1: Still. Okay. And so
Speaker 0: But just think about it. 23 EU countries including his home country his home country Netherlands, right? And The UK, The Switzerland, Monaco and France, Five countries. And one of his companies that is sanctioned is in The United States by OFAC was the sole supplier to his company.
Speaker 1: But did you play a role in getting him sanctioned?
Speaker 0: I did not play any role in getting him sanctioned. All I did was I did what is my subject duty, which is report what I saw. You know, it's like we go to the airport, say, see, you know, say if you see something, say something. Uh-huh. That's all I did.
Speaker 1: Okay. Mister, I'm pretending that No. I I understand. But in reporting, I mean, what you reported was true.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And you had a duty to report that.
Speaker 0: I just printed out everything and gave it. I didn't even I didn't even like and you know, I I did not I didn't even like put I just printed it and I sent told told the lawyers to package it and send it. There was no nothing. We we did not
Speaker 1: It's not like you ran a campaign where you're, you know, going and meeting with people.
Speaker 0: How how nobody is capable. I mean, how are you capable of that? Right? I mean, it's like you would meet 23 member states?
Speaker 1: Well, also, at the at that time, see, because I saw you at that time and spoke to you often. I mean, were reeling from the storm.
Speaker 0: I was about to kill myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Two times.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Neil's truth was not my problem. My own life was my problem. There were fake FBI investigations that people were making up. My banks were getting called and said, oh, look at this, you know, that of us fake journalists.
My entire world was coming apart. I can spend millions of dollars creating bogus litigation, harassing you, putting false articles, false media, and you have to spend your money to defend yourself. And if you do not have money
Speaker 1: No, you're done.
Speaker 0: You're done.
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I urge everyone to acknowledge the reality of ANTIFA, which I believe is supported by various Democratic leaders, law enforcement, and journalists. I've faced threats for reporting the truth, including a handwritten death threat at my home. Others, like Andy Ngo, have been attacked multiple times. I'm frustrated with those unwilling to take risks to protect our country. If we don't unite, speak the truth, and confront the agitators and their powerful networks, what we cherish will be lost.
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In the latest episode, I engage with Rob Hersov, a prominent South African billionaire, discussing critical issues facing South Africa, including the alarming murder rates of white farmers and the broader implications of political corruption. We explore the role of the ANC in crime rates, the challenges of genocide and expropriation, and the complexities of the nation’s political landscape. Despite these challenges, we also highlight the potential for hope and a way forward for South Africa.
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NEW EPISODE! South Africa: Why It Matters - One On One with Rob Hersov Lara Logan talks to outspoken South African billionaire, Rob Hersov, about the murder of white farmers and a way forward for this embattled nation after the global spotlight cast by President Donald Trump. (00:00) - ANC Responsible for South Africa's Crime Rates (06:03) - South Africa's Genocide and Expropriation (17:57) - South Africa's Political Corruption and Dysfunction (34:42) - Challenges and Hope for South Africa (50:03) - South Africa's Complexity and Potential @RobertHersov @GoingRoguewLara #africannationalcongress #expropriation #RobHersov #LaraLogan #DonaldTrump
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Rob Hersoff discusses South Africa's political and economic issues with Lara Logan, focusing on the implications of Donald Trump's use of the word "genocide" to describe the situation with white farmers. Hersoff believes Trump's statement brought needed attention to the country. He likens South Africa to Germany in 1933, citing Julius Malema's rhetoric as a modern equivalent to Nazi brown shirts.
Hersoff criticizes Cyril Ramaphosa and the ANC for corruption, incompetence, and racist policies, which he claims have led to economic decline and high unemployment. He argues that the ANC is blaming whites for their failures and have created a new form of apartheid. He says that anti-white race-based laws have been put in place since 1994.
Hersoff acknowledges his family's privilege but denies owing anything, stating they fought against apartheid. He says that the ANC has been sending money to the ANC, and in return, the ANC takes the ICJ case against Israel. He expresses hope that external pressure, particularly from the U.S. through sanctions, is needed to improve the situation. Despite the problems, Hersoff remains committed to South Africa and believes it is worth fighting for.
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Speaker 0: Donald Trump used the word genocide because he wanted the spotlight of the world to turn onto South Africa, and I thank him for doing that because we need it. There are terrible things happening in South Africa. There isn't extermination yet. There isn't aren't farm invasions like Zimbabwe yet, but things are being put in place where it could happen just like that. So that Oval Office meeting, I think, could have gone way worse for South Africa.
But it's what happens with the follow-up that really matters.
Speaker 1: My guest on this episode of Going Rogue with Lara Logan is a man who has been making a lot of waves lately. He's no stranger to criticism, and he in fact puts himself out there in a big way. His name is Rob Hersoff, and he is from South Africa, and comes actually from a very well known family in South Africa, and and he has a lot to say about what's been going on in the country that's been in the headlines, obviously, the Oval Office meeting caused a lot of people in in The US who had not thought about South Africa, maybe never heard of it really or paid much attention to it, to suddenly start paying attention to it. The issue of the the genocide of white farmers, which is somewhat controversial, people argue for it, people argue against it, but one thing the mainstream media was united in was condemning Donald Trump for bringing white farmers to The United States, and that caused that revived the old accusations of, you know, white supremacy and racism towards Trump. Narratives, which by the way have been proven to be false so many times, I don't know what else you need.
It's like, yeah, how many times you need to shoot holes in something before it doesn't exist anymore. But apparently, most of the media is not done with that accusation. So Rob Herzog, I want to thank you for giving us your time. I know you've been doing the rounds lately, you talked to Patrick Bet David, you talked to Dave Rubin, I don't mind getting in line, you know, I'd be looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 0: Well, you're the first South African. See We claim That's good,
Speaker 1: you can claim me. You know, I'm an American now, but of course your heart is, you know, for me anyway, your heart is always where you're born and raised and sort of, you know, born of that soil, right, and forged in those fires. That's kind of the soul, the heart and soul that I still carry in me. And, you know, for that reason it's been this has been a difficult interview to prepare for because looking into your life is is and looking at these issues is a walk down memory lane in lots of ways, and also it forces you to face some of the reality here. When I was a young reporter and growing up in South Africa, I never for one moment thought that we would be where we are today.
I know you spent thirty one years outside of the country and went back in what, twenty seventeen, eighteen?
Speaker 0: Correct.
Speaker 1: So so just tell me from how do you assess the one thing that's on Americans minds right now is that Oval Office meeting and and the surrounding issues. What was your take on that? Because ahead of time you thought Senator Rubio was gonna do quite a bit in there. He ended up doing something else that day and not even being present. But what was your assessment of how things went?
Speaker 0: So I think it was an absolute disgrace that Cyril Ramaphosa glossed over the crucial issues that Donald Trump raised. And he brought with him, you know, John Steenhuizen, who he calls his white agricultural minister, he should have just said his agricultural minister, and three other South Africans white. Johan Rupert, Ernie Els, Rutif Khorsen. And I think it was a disgrace. I don't think they should have been there.
Why? Because the it was trying to paint a picture to Donald Trump to say, here's a billionaire. Donald, you like billionaires. Here are two golfers that you know. You like golfers.
And they're here to protect the party line of Cyril Ramaphosa that there is no genocide, that the refugees should not be going to America, that things aren't that bad in South Africa. It's a disgrace. And I must credit Donald Trump with what he did. Firstly, he did not do a Zelensky times 10. He was actually quite measured and graceful and charming to Cyrille Ramiposa, who doesn't deserve that treatment, by the way.
He deserves to get clapped. Donald Trump's incredible team, J. D. Vance, Elon Musk, and others kept quiet. They didn't say a word.
I loved Elon Musk's radar, you know, his death star. Look at Cyril Ramaphosa. Good for Elon Musk. And we don't yet know what happened behind the scenes, but Cyril Ramaphosa went back to South Africa claiming it as a victory.
Speaker 1: Well, you're a politician. That's what he's gonna do. Right?
Speaker 0: Upsets me because people say there is no genocide, and I wanna talk about that. Why should white refugees be called refugees? It's typical left wing lunacy. And let me talk quickly about that word genocide. Firstly, I think it was Donald Trump's master moment.
99% of the world had no idea what was going on in South Africa and frankly didn't care. But the minute Donald Trump used the word genocide, which, you know, the leftists throw Nazi, genocide, racist at everyone Mhmm. But Donald Trump played them at their own game. He used the word genocide, and that the media would then flip out and said, there is no genocide. But if you look at the definition of genocide, there are 10 elements to a genocide.
Everyone thinks genocide. They think extermination. But it takes a lot of planning, process, and systematic organization before this extermination begins and then the denial. And of the 10 features, classification, persecution, organization, they're all 10 of them, probably seven of them are in place in South Africa at the moment. There's definitely an economic genocide against whites, hundred percent, but the personal genocide is is in place and could happen.
And I liken South Africa today to Germany in 1933. In 1933, there were the brown shirts in bars shouting and screaming. We have Julius Malema in his red beret. He could might as well just be wearing brown shirts like the Nazis, with their red berets jumping up and down a hundred thousand women stadium shouting kill the boa, one farmer, one bullet. And Julius Malema, in a in an interview said, we are we are ready to slit the throat of whiteness, but not yet.
This is live. What's going on? And Donald Trump used the word genocide because he wanted the spotlight of the world to turn on to South Africa, and I thank him for doing that because we need it. There are terrible things happening in South Africa. There isn't extermination yet.
There isn't aren't farm invasions like Zimbabwe yet, but things are being put in place where it could happen just like that. So that Oval Office meeting, I think, could have gone way worse for South Africa. But it's what happens with the follow-up that really matters.
Speaker 1: So you covered a lot of ground there, Rob. Let's let's go back to, you know, different parts of what you're talking about, right, because, I mean, you are right, when you use the word genocide, it carries with its legal weight, and this is what I think a lot of people don't realize, is that because the left does throw genocide around so much, they use it all the time, People forget that there is actually laws that come, there's rights that come when you're formally recognized under international law and by governments around the world as being victims of a genocide, you are now entitled to different legal options, you know, for when you seek refuge and so on and so on. And the definition of political asylum, of course, has been tossed out the window by the left because anyone who's who's poor who wants to come for a better life to The United States, they should have an open door, right, according to them and the 21,000,000 people that Biden let into this country during his administration. Right, undocumented. Yes, most of the time.
Or even, you know, knowingly illegal, right? So on the one hand you have this label of genocide that is used very freely, but then on the other hand when it's used in relation to white people, you know there are certain words you're not allowed to use in relation to white people like slavery, you know we want to forget about all the white slaves, the Irish and so on, we don't want to talk about that. And it's this it's one of the core issues with I think the Afrikaans people, because you're right, no one most people around the world were not paying attention to what was happening in South Africa. Most people around the world, I would say, have no idea who the Afrikana people are, are not aware that they don't exist anywhere else in the world, that their language isn't spoken anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 0: That they have a unique culture. You know, they arrived in 1652. They were escaping persecution. They were Huguenots, mainly from Holland, but also from France, parts of Germany, and they were discriminated against, persecuted by the Catholics. And they escaped, and a lot of them went down to Georgia, Louisiana, and The US, and a number of them went down to Cape Town.
And they were the sort of founding fathers of Cape Town. And an Afrikaner means African. They are the white tribe of Africa, and they have nowhere else to go. They're generations, 14 generations in South Africa. They are white tribe of Africa.
They're not colonists. Can't rush back to Europe.
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Because when you talk about land expropriation, this is a very important part of the of the discussion about genocide because it's not simply, you know, you'll I'm sure you've had this conversation with South Africans. Right? They will tell you that people all across the country are being murdered at unprecedented I mean, just ridiculous rates. I hate the the word unprecedented is overused, but when you're talking about 62, 60 three murders a day.
Speaker 0: Higher than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And
Speaker 0: And 85 rapes and 85 rapes a day, and those are only the ones reported. We have one of the highest murder rates in the world. And let me give you a very specific two very specific statistics. It is three times more likely to be murdered as a farmer in South Africa than as a policeman in South Africa. And twice as likely to be murdered as a policeman than as a civilian.
Being a farmer in South Africa is the most dangerous profession in the country. And if you take the number of farm attacks, of which fifty percent ended up in a murder, of which twenty percent involved torture and rape. And you take the number of farmers murdered in South Africa, not just whites but predominantly whites, Number of farmers murdered in South Africa from the year 2000 to today as a percentage of the 30,000 commercial farmers in South Africa, and you take that percentage on the 3,000,000 commercial farmers in America, then there would have been 235,000 American farmers murdered between 2000 and today. That's the number. You don't think that's a genocide?
You don't think that's horrific? And the left wing media not only don't report it as such, but in their minds they're probably thinking those guys deserved it. That's how sick the left is.
Speaker 1: Well, isn't that what that is what a lot of people say. I mean, you read about it online, the justification for it even in South Africa is that those guys deserved it. Right? Because of apartheid, because of racism, because of the history, and you know, and we know there is a history there. I mean, there were a lot of white farmers that didn't treat their employees very well.
There have been incidents of racism in the past. I know that they're relatively isolated, I mean, especially when you when you consider
Speaker 0: That's no excuse, Laura. Apartheid ended in 1994. Peaceful transition of power, white minority rule to the majority. Okay? We had a truth and reconciliation commission which basically said if you tell the truth, you can be forgiven.
If you admit to what you did during apartheid, horrible though it is, family's listening, you're forgiven. The aim was in 1994 to move forward in a unified, peaceful, coordinated manner. Thirty one years later, today, because the ANC has broken and stolen our country, they're kleptocrats, ineptocrats, racist, socialist, anti American, and anti Semitic, the ANC. And because they failed, we have the highest unemployment rate in the world. 60% youth unemployment.
Thanks to the ANC. They're so useless and destructive. Thirty one years later they're now saying we want to blame whites, colonialism and apartheid. Thirty one years later, surely there's an expiration date by which you blame your ex wife or ex husband. Surely there's an expiration date for blaming apartheid.
The blame is squarely on the shoulder of the ANC and Saruman Mposer.
Speaker 1: I understand why you say that. I mean, I'm a white South African, you know, so as much as anybody if any if every white South African benefited from white privilege, you and I both benefited from white privilege. We can't change the past, and that doesn't change the fact that I've worked all my life, and I've I've given back everything that I have. I know you've worked hard, your family worked hard, but your family has a history in South Africa. You've often said you were born into privilege, right?
That you were born into a family and that you've made the most of it, right? You've done everything that you can.
Speaker 0: You did your own work.
Speaker 1: So, but yeah, but I would but I would just like to know, I mean, you know, I asked a lot of people in South Africa about you and a lot of people know you and a lot of people respect you greatly, but the one thing that people asked me was, you know, he doesn't ever really acknowledge how much his family benefited, and when you look at the history of mining in South Africa, the history, you know, the mines played an integral part in the struggle, the way the way, you know, black people were housed on the mines in the hostels that which were ended up being hotbeds of violence, the way the migrant labor system worked, where people would cycle in and out and they would get paid low wages and then store up their money and then go back to their homelands and you had this constant cycle of unskilled labor that allowed the mines to be very profitable. So, you know, one of the things is just that people asked me to ask you is would you how do you feel about that history and would you acknowledge that and what do you feel that you owe for that?
Owe nothing.
Speaker 0: Owe nothing. You know, our family were immigrants. They came out from Eastern Europe and Russia. They had no benefits. They were not loved by the by anyone in South Africa.
They had to fend for themselves and built and my grandfather and my father built an extraordinary mining industrial business. And if people say it's on the back of black labor, I mean, that's can I swear on your show?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure. You can do whatever
Speaker 0: you want. BS. That's BS. We had to compete with the Afrikaners, the Anglos, everyone else to build. We got no benefits whatsoever.
And this concept of white privilege, I mean, come on. It's a leftist construct, and it's rubbish. Apartheid, we voted against apartheid. We fought fought against apartheid openly. You can see our family with other families, mostly Anglo families of Jewish extraction in parliament, in civic society, and on the street.
Okay? And in the end, apartheid was removed in 1994. And yet now, we're discriminated against by a racist ANC. Do you know since 1994, '1 hundred and '14, '1 '1 '4, anti white and anti colored and anti Indian, race based laws, call them what they are racist laws, have been put in place. The ANC has turned into the new apartheid.
But the the big difference between the two is, least under the Afrikaners, they knew how to run the electricity supply commission, the water, the roads. Things were built. Universities were created. Under the ANC, nothing has been built, nothing has been created, and everything has been broken. These people are not just malevolent, they're morons.
Speaker 1: Well, yes. That's something one South African said to me is, you know, if you have corruption in every government in the world, so corruption is not is not I mean it's a huge problem, but if you had corruption with competence, the country would be coming apart at the seams.
Speaker 0: You know, if the ANC had half a brain, Searle, Bramapose, Zuma, and all those people, they would continue allowing the economy to thrive so they could steal more and for longer. But they're so greedy and so stupid they've broken everything. South African Airways, bankrupt. ESCOM, Electricity Supply Commission, we get four to six hours a day of no electricity. There's raw sewage in the streets.
Sewage into the into the water outside Durban, people can't swim. And the ANCR, it's such an embarrassment and they and because under Mandela, South Africa was this miracle democracy, you know, the Western world, we sold South Africa. You know, transition from white minority rule to democracy. Wow. We did the job.
Let's go look at another country and see what we can do there. And under Mandela and Mbeki, everything worked fine because Mandela stood like a giant striding over the, you know, the the communist manifesto of the ANC. He didn't allow any of that to disrupt three, four, five percent economic growth, jobs being created, things being built. But the minute he and and Mbeki left, the rot set in under Jacob Zuma and Ropposack. The country has deindustrialized.
Speaker 1: I wanna ask you though, you say that, and I I know what you're talking about. I mean, obviously, I was there during the ninety four elections. I was there during the the beginning of the end of apartheid. I was there when Mandela was there, and I knew Mandela as a journalist, but you remember the arms deal that was made when Mandela was still in office. One of the very first things that happened after '94 was this massive arms deal with French companies and and all the others, and and everybody kind of got a piece of it.
It was it's been well documented now, it's been flushed out in the courts. There was a massive arms deal that the South African government got involved in, and there were people in the ANC that were taking their cut, and it was in part because you didn't have a violent bloody civil war, because you had a peaceful transition of power. One of the things that happened was that all of these people who gave up their education, right, because remember the slogan of the ANC and the UDF, the United Democratic Front was liberation before education. So they were asked to put their education and put everything aside, And then in the in the wake of '94, what happened overnight was that all those people went from being part of a noble struggle for freedom to just being poverty stricken with no skills and barely employable.
Speaker 0: And those people were put into government.
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Speaker 0: So we basically had a government of fundamentally stupid, uneducated people, which has continued to today. Look at Gretemontasha. Gretemontasha, the minister of minds. He's a communist. Fikile Mboola, he's one of the two candidates to replace Seroma Poser.
He's sick as they come. I mean, he's I wouldn't hire him. You know, he's probably got a standard six, which is a 14 year old education. He's thick. He's dumb.
These are the people running the country.
Speaker 1: Well, of nepotism. Right? Because they're putting in loyalists as opposed to people
Speaker 0: who are Exactly right.
Speaker 1: But you touched on something important there, you know, when you said he's a communist. Well, we know the roots and, you know, of the of the ANC, the people who provide who were bankrolling the ANC in the old days, it was the it was the communists and the Marxists, and it's really no different today. Look at what China has done all across Africa, South Africa's no exception, but it's this alliance of the of the sort of of the leftist progressives globalists is sort of elitist mindset with the Marxists that you really are seeing play out in South Africa today?
Speaker 0: That's who we're up against and it gets worse than that. Iran. Mhmm. So we all know who the Iran proxies are. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and the ANC.
Has been sending money to the ANC, and in return, the ANC takes the ICJ case against Israel. Has anyone thought, why would South Africa do that? Because they're being bribed by Iran. They're prostitutes. They'll take money from the bad guys and then do their bidding.
Speaker 1: Well, ANC put itself in the financial trouble. Right? Iran came in and bailed them out with millions because they hadn't paid their tax bill.
Speaker 0: Cyril Ramaphosa, our president, spineless Cyril, was caught with millions of dollars hidden in his sofa. And we've not been able to, you know, because most of the judiciary has been captured by the government. We've not been able to pin him down on where that came from. I'm sure it came from Iran. He got bribed too.
He's he's as much a criminal as anyone else in his government.
Speaker 1: Well, Sir Ramaphosa went into, you know, he went to work for Anglo, right, I mean, after the transition. He didn't go into the government. And and he's I mean, he was wealthy before he came into the government. He's also responsible for letting Jacob Zuma out of prison on this false idea that Jacob Zuma, the the former president of South Africa, was dying of this terminal
Speaker 0: Have seen run up onto a stage lately? God, he's had a good recovery. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: Well, you wonder if Soule regrets letting him out of prison because now he's he's head of MK, which is the other opposition party, which appears to have more popularity than Julius Malema, but I mean that's what people It
Speaker 0: does. The most popular politician in South Africa is a toss-up between Jacob Gangster Zuma and an amazing man called Gayton Mackenzie who's the current minister of sports, arts, and culture. But the but if you take those two and you add the smartest political tactician in South Africa, you get Helen Zilla who's the quarterback behind the democratic alliance. Those three are the political alliance of South Africa. And where does Cyril appear?
He's not even on the list. I mean, he's a sock puppet. Don't get me on that.
Speaker 1: So okay. Let's talk, I mean, because people are here, what do they care about when it comes to South Africa? They care about this issue of understanding what is the truth. I mean, Donald Trump got hammered, they said the pictures that he showed, one of the pictures came from another country, they said that the the crosses which marked a memorial were not a mass grave site and he got all that suffering.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Let me talk you through that.
Speaker 1: The media here, of course, used that to deflect away from the core issue, which is that every cross in that video represented a dead farmer.
Speaker 0: Donald Trump does get some things wrong, but the message is right. So the crosses were not graves. The crosses were represent ations of every single farmer that has been killed
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 0: Put over this huge area with these hills. It's it's it's I mean, you know, it's like going to the Holocaust Museum or the Genocide Museum in Rwanda. You go there and it's impossible to speak, say anything and you've got tears in your eyes. It's the most scary, depressing. These farmers isolated get attacked, you know, maybe a wife, a husband, some kids, you know, maybe an uncle or a cousin defending themselves against these people that come in and rape and torture and murder.
So he said there were graves. They were not graves, but there are all of those graves all over South Africa. These were the plasmoor of Kopi. This is the the hills to remind people of the harm murders and their representations of the deaths.
Speaker 1: Well, they were also created because the media denies that the farm murders are happening. Right?
Speaker 0: I mean It's true. I can I can send you the facts, the statistics? It they have all happened. It's I mean, the media's insane. Donald Trump also held up a an article about Congolese issues but within the article there was very much paragraphs about South Africa, about the farm murders and about the movement towards a genocide represented in there.
So that article wasn't specific to South Africa. Those crosses weren't graves, but his message was a % right.
Speaker 1: Yes. And he wouldn't have to do that. You know, lot of people talked about the tactics, the ambush. Right? But he wouldn't have to do that.
He wouldn't have to play a video and show evidence if people were just honest about the fact that these murders are happening.
Speaker 0: And you know, the people in in Cyril's group glossed over that. Only Retief Gorsen, the golfer, the famous golfer Yeah. Said to Donald Trump, my family are farmers and they have been attacked before. He told the story and, you know, and Johan Rupert basically said, oh, I sleep with my door, my room open. But I mean, he has hundreds of millions of rands of security around his house.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 0: And he doesn't even live in South Africa. He lives in London. I mean, why would he say that?
Speaker 1: So okay. You know, one other thing to to raise here is, obviously in South Africa there's an extreme level of violence and criminality, and what people who do acknowledge that farmers have been killed, what they want how they present the argument is they say, well, know, this isn't a race issue. This is a crime issue. Right? South Africa has a crime problem, and the vast majority of people who are killed in South Africa in burglaries and, you know, in everyday crime are black people.
And that by focusing on the white farmers, you you're doing that because you're racist.
Speaker 0: South Africa has a huge crime problem. Who's to blame for that? The ANC. They've defunded the police. Our army is pathetic.
They have made no effort whatsoever to protect the farmers. And of the murders, twenty percent are rape and torture. To rape and torture someone, there has to be a huge amount of hatred. You're not just there for economic crimes. Show me where the guns are.
Show me where the money is. It's a punishment. It's a punishment of hate and that's racist. The farmers are hugely productive. Why are they being targeted?
Because the EFF are jumping up and down in a stadium with hate speech saying kill the boa, kill the settler, one settler, one bullet, slit the throat of whiteness. And every time they do that, farm attacks peak. So there's a direct link to that hate speech and racial crimes. And here's where Siro Ramaphosa is a coward and a disgrace. He glosses over it.
And, you know, Donald Trump said in America, anyone who stood up saying those hateful things would be arrested. Why haven't you arrested Julius
Speaker 1: Malema? Well, that is a good question. Why haven't they arrested Julius Malema?
Speaker 0: Because they're cowards and they are happy for it to continue. They're racists. See, here's the interesting thing. The left conquered it in their heads that black people can be racist against white people.
Speaker 1: They changed the definition of racism. They said, in fact, you can't be. That's what the whole DEI and this whole leftist ideology is about. They actually rewrote the definition to say that racism can only be white people towards, you know, other races. Well, come
Speaker 0: come and have look in South Africa. There's a little there are a lot of black racists coming out of the woodwork or being blatant about their racism. And I'll give you a little example. I was one of the very first, and I'm I'm probably one of the only businessmen in South Africa standing up, calling out the ANC, telling the truth, and even calling out Julius Malema and Jacob Zuma, unafraid. I tell it like it is.
You tell me another businessman that's saying what I'm saying. None. Zero. They're either cowards, colluders, or they've been captured by the state. And the fact that Adrian Gore and Johan Rupert were actually at the White House meeting, I I don't know why were they there.
Were they trying to say everything's okay in South Africa? Were they trying to defend Cyril? Why were they there? And it it just it makes me sick really. How many black podcasters, since I've been speaking out loud, their underlying anti white racism is bubbling to the surface.
It's just coming out. Now a lot a lot, the vast majority of of black people in South Africa are not racist, do not hate white people. And they want what we want, which is a better world, better South Africa, and a greater future for their children. 88% are Christian. You know, the vast majority of people want the same thing.
The ANC, through malevolence and complete incompetence, have destroyed the economy and put 28,000,000 people, population of 60,000,000, on completely dependent on social grounds. Now it takes complete evil or stupidity to destroy an economy, deindustrialize an economy, and force so many people to be reliant on social ground. But if you think about it cleverly, it's the Soviet playbook in action.
Speaker 1: It's Marxism, that's what it is.
Speaker 0: Correct. Keep keep them poor, keep them reliant on you, keep them voting for you.
Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, the 61, 60 two percent unemployment among young people, If you you know, most of those people will never get a job in their entire life. They're going to school, some of them are getting degrees. I know people who have come out of university, black South Africans, gotten a degree at great cost to themselves and have never ever been able to get a job.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And then there are white kids who graduate from school or university and can't get jobs because there are rules against hiring white people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And, you know, you you mentioned the laws. Right? You said there's all these laws, and then, of course, the the there's a bunch of of articles where people counter that and say this is not true and these laws come from Afri Forum and Afri Forum is a racist white organization, you know and that's and that these laws when you actually look at them do not mention race, But of course they mention all these things like diversity and inclusion and equity that are all these Marxist buzzwords, right? And the way those laws end up being interpreted and the way that they're used is based on race.
Now, the counter to that is that a lot of people will say to you, well, you know, 62% of top managers in in South Africa are still, you know, white, and the vast majority of the land, and the vast majority of the wealth is still in the hands of white people, but they do they quote those statistics without mentioning the fact that the tax base in South Africa comes from roughly 5,000,000 people, most of whom are white, that most of the of the they're talking about arable land. Arable land which is the land which is farmed.
Speaker 0: 22%.
Speaker 1: Right. Farmland. So 20 so okay. Give us those statistics. Help put that in perspective for people.
Speaker 0: So 7% of the population are white, and another 7% are colored and Indian. Now the Americans get a bit confused by the word colored. Colored in South Africa means the the child of a white person and a black person. And it could be any
Speaker 1: mixed Well, descendants from the koi, right, because from the bushmen are colored people. They have their own identity, they have their own culture. And in fact a lot of colored people have written to me and said how come you guys never talk about us? You always leave us out
Speaker 0: of I do.
Speaker 1: But we're also minority, the Khoi, the descendants of the Bushmen, particularly in the Western Cape, these are also minorities in South Africa.
Speaker 0: They're a minority of a minority. The main colored population is are direct descendants of the Malays, from Malaysia that came very early, and the white settlers. And then more recently it's been black tribes with white Africans. And I think the colored population is about the same or a little bit larger than the white population. So let's call it an Indian population, the descendants from India who many have been many generations in South Africa.
Probably those three groups make up fifteen, sixteen, 17 percent of the country. The rest are the black tribes and there are 26 different black tribes. So it's a complicated country with culture, ethnicity, pigmentation. But to say that because the white population is 7%, but 62% of chief executives are white and mainly male, That's wrong and we've got to change things around. I mean, that's just fuzzy.
That's typical leftist fuzzy thinking.
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Speaker 0: Doesn't make sense.
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And then what about the farmland?
Speaker 0: So 22% of the arable land is owned by the white population. They're large farms and very productive and they feed the country. But here's the horrific statistic. The vast majority of land that has been transferred or sold to black farmers has not they've not been given the title deeds. Government has held back held back giving them the title deeds.
So these are people that own the land, farm the land, but haven't got the title deed yet. And the government, it's malevolent. So the government is basically saying, we control you. It's complete evil. And, you know, your poor viewers, Laura, they're gonna be saying hopeless.
I mean, I've only told you 10% of the terrible things that are happening in South Africa. There are a million South Africans that have left the country. A million. The two richest people in Los Angeles, number one and number two, are are South African born. There are $25 billionaires in America born in South Africa.
I mean, there's talent and success on South Africans overseas, and they're not coming back. You know why they're not coming back? Because they don't think South Africa stands a chance.
Speaker 1: But you do.
Speaker 0: I'm four out of 10 but I'm prepared to fight for it. You know, I lived thirty one years overseas. I missed my country. I went home. My New Zealand Wife said to me, I fucking love this place.
That's all. I said, I really love this place. It's worth fighting for. And I said, okay, I'm gonna fight for it. And They can carry me out in a box.
And I'm not gonna be like other businessmen in South Africa who just keep quiet, too scared to rock the boat. I'm telling it like it is regardless of the risk because I I don't have to do this. I'm wealthy enough to get up and be the last shopper out of Saigon and live anywhere else in the world. I have more than enough money overseas. I don't need to do this.
And people ask me, why are you doing it? And why I'm doing it is my father called me one day when I said my lowest period. I was getting death threats and people were cutting me off, wouldn't speak to me. And a family member of mine said, why the hell are you doing this? And and my father said to me, I've never been more proud of you for doing and saying what other people can't afford to do and say.
And for the last week, I've been on some American podcasts, and I've had hundreds and hundreds of messages and WhatsApps and emails saying thank you Rob for bringing a light on South Africa and giving us a voice. And that's why I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, Rob, that is one of the things that people said to me is that Rob herself is hopeful. That the main reason people in South Africa, obviously a lot of white people, but middle class people really, what you mean to them is that when the situation seems to be so hopeless, that you give them hope.
Speaker 0: Do you know it it it is until Donald Trump shined his spotlight on South Africa, my view is that South Africa had no chance. Three out of 10. It's it's the democracy is moving in the right direction but slowly. The ANC voters are beginning to leave the ANC, but they're not quite comfortable to vote for the democratic alliance, the party that I support.
Speaker 1: So and for people who don't know, the Democratic Alliance is still large I mean, it's it's mixed race, black and white, but it has a huge white representation. And and and when you talk about the ANC, the African National Congress is the ruling party. I just wanna make sure people understand that.
Speaker 0: So the ANC, the ruling party, Nelson Mandela's party now run by these thugs, gangsters, and clowns, like Sorama Poser, had dominated South African politics for thirty years, always had more than 50%. But in May 2024, they dropped to 41% because forces are realizing the ANC is a destructive evil force, and the democratic alliance whites were only 7% of the country. Democratic alliance got 21%. So a lot of the voters are non non white. So the ANC formed a coalition government called the GNU, government, national GNU.
GNU. And their 41 their 40%, the d a and the d a's twenty one percent gave them 60, but then they added a whole bunch of other little parties. And this is a sort of coalition government, and South Africa, it will be a coalition country for for the for the long term. There's never no one's ever gonna get above 50%. And it's kind of working its way out.
The ANC is still arrogant trying to push through racist laws, socialist laws, but at last, the coalition partners are standing up and saying, no. We don't agree to that. So democracy is working slowly. The voters are not stupid, but they you know, it's like the ANC, Mandela saved our lives.
Speaker 1: Right. It's an emotional thing from the revolution. And, you know, and I was there in in that time. You know, I know a lot of people who criticize you say, what does he know he wasn't even around for thirty one years? And I think it it is something that the ANC has to grapple with, right?
How they let go of this revolutionary sort of fantasy and romanticism, right, about it because that's why Jacob Zuma, it's one of the reasons the Zuma family is so powerful even though they have been shown day after day after day to have plundered the country. Jacob Zuma building himself a massive complex with his own hospital on money stolen from the taxpayer, going to jail for his crimes, and now running again for office and being a real threat actually to Cyril Ramaphosa potentially, and know, and certainly on the ANC's power base, so you have all of this and then you have the same this is the same excuse for why they tolerate Julius Malema, you know, basically singing kill the farmer, the boa is because that this song represents something emotional in the revolutionary ideology and history of South Africa. And, you know, and and I remember what that was like, being in those stadiums with a 50,000 people, you know, and you you you literally it it would it was to inspire and it was and and what they will say to everyone from Tabo and Becky, who was another former president, what they will all say is that this is not meant to be taken literally.
That this was a song of the revolution to inspire. Yeah. Easy to say.
Speaker 0: That's easy to say. If that happened in America, that person would be arrested.
Speaker 1: Oh, if white people were chanting for the death of black people in South Africa, they would be arrested.
Speaker 0: Correct.
Speaker 1: Correct. It's only because it applies one way, that it's condoned.
Speaker 0: It's disgusting. And, you know, I've I can leave the country anytime. I can pack my bags and go. But walking around on the streets are millions of people that have no option whatsoever. They are on the Titanic and they're in the lower floor.
They're not even near the lifeboats. They have no chance. They have no chance. South Africa is on the edge of the abyss. The economy is gonna collapse.
Mean, we the ANC know how to break, steal, and spend. They don't know how to invest. They don't know how to grow. We have 1% economic growth and have had for about ten years and 2% population growth. We get poorer every year.
We have more rail line than the rest of Africa put together and none of it works. The ANC's broken the whole rail system so all the goods that get transported are on the highway. If you drive from Durban to Johannesburg, it's a four lane highway in some places, three lanes with lorries. Mhmm. I mean, it's it's falling apart.
Potholes in the streets, sewage, well done ANC. You've destroyed a country.
Speaker 1: Well, and also by turning off the electricity for hours every day and by now turning off the water, now they're talking about water shedding, and when they when they turn it back on and it rushes through these pipes that have been neglected, infrastructure that's been neglected, this is when it bursts. But you know, Rob, I feel bad because we're painting a sort of a very dark, very bleak picture of South Africa, as you know, direct foreign investment has been falling off dramatically over the last few years, and that has had profound impact on the South African economy and on the jobs that are available. And we're not doing anything to help that right now.
Speaker 0: So Laura, let me finish on one more depressing thing, and then let's talk about the good, shall we?
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 0: So Cyril Ramaphosa signed into law in January these three words, expropriation without compensation.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Why would anyone in America or anywhere in the world invest in South Africa when you have expropriation without compensation, hang of your They
Speaker 1: wouldn't, and that's what you're seeing in the the
Speaker 0: Massive overregulation and black economic empowerment. I'm sorry. It's just
Speaker 1: Well, and black economic empowerment forces you to give 30% of your company to a black South African. Right? Not any
Speaker 0: South African but a black South African. Racist. That's not DI. That's racism. So South Africa is uninvestable.
Americans don't invest until this ANC government repeals EWC, black and flaunting parliament, withdraws its case against Israel. You would be crazy to invest in South Africa.
Speaker 1: But look, those things are not gonna happen, Rob.
Speaker 0: I don't know. If Marco Rubio, behind the scenes, and JD Vance, and congressman Ronnie Jackson, shout out to him.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. He's a friend of Okay.
Speaker 0: Well, please tell him I'm a big admirer. I'd like to meet him. If they get behind the bill that's going to congress and the senate to put sanctions on individuals, starting with Cyril Ramaphosa, I'll give you a long list of them. Julius Malema, Jacob Zuma, Naledi, Pandor, the anti Semites.
Speaker 1: Julius Malema is the controversial leader of the economic freedom front, who is the Marxist leader who goes out there and and leads, people in this chant, and and and who has also refused to rule out calling for the slaughter of all white people at some date in the future, should he need to do that.
Speaker 0: Correct. So Ronnie Jackson, if you hear me, and Laura, please send this to him, get that bill through and target these monsters because they only understand force. Most South African corporates are like, if we get if we're nice to Cyril, maybe he'll do the right thing. He laughs at them. They only stand to stand force, and the only force we can really bring to bear is America and sanctions on those individuals.
Speaker 1: Okay. But now you're talking about the strategic game that's taking place in South Africa. Right? Because we all know what's really behind South Africa's move at the International Criminal Court. I mean, as you pointed out, the white Jewish people in South Africa were a very big part of the struggle against apartheid.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And now their allies in the ANC, these people were brothers, Ronnie Castrell's, right, and you look at all those people.
Speaker 0: Joe Slovo.
Speaker 1: Yes. Even the man who wrote who when Mandela left prison, he went and stayed with a friend of his, a long time friend who was a white Jewish South African. You know, that's where he was when he wrote his book, Long Walk to Freedom. I mean, so it's So it's quite something to see South Africa taking the position that it's taking, but the game that's really playing out there is the Iran, China, Russia, the BRICS nations. This is all connected to the what's playing out in The United States.
And you often refer to the fact that Jacob Zuma, when he became president of South Africa in 02/2008, that that's really when the country went down the tubes. I would argue that there were infrastructure was already being neglected and there was nepotism and corruption already, however there's something else that happened in 02/2008, which was the election of Obama in this country. And who did Obama send to be his ambassador in South Africa? Patrik Gasbard, who was a Haitian man, who was very outspoken, you talked about the expropriation law that was passed and became law in South Africa in January. Well, that was the discussion a number of years ago that law was meant to be passed, long before COVID.
And the man who was out there in public on the international stage and nationally in South Africa encouraging the expropriation of land without compensation was The United States Ambassador, Patrik Gaspard.
Speaker 0: He should be hung, drawn, and courted. End of story.
Speaker 1: Well, at the end of Obama's term, he was rewarded by George Soros and made president of the Open Society Foundation.
Speaker 0: You're mentioning three horrific names: Obama, Soros and Gaspard. I mean, how does the Western world produce lunatics, monsters and demons like those three, including Obama, even though he looked nice in a suit?
Speaker 1: The legacy though is still that's what you're looking at in South Africa. Right? The language of DEI that you hear all over the world, the the Marxist rhetoric that you see. Mean, Julius Malema means self made
Speaker 0: and self educated You sent us CRT. You sent us CRT, you Americans. It's infected our schools too.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. Critical race theory, which is why we defined racism. But, Julie
Speaker 0: have a quick positive about Southern. I'm just trying to end on a positive note. Okay?
Speaker 1: My Just before we go the positive note, Rob, let's figure out who's really the money in South Africa? Who's really pushing and driving this?
Speaker 0: Pushing what? Sorry.
Speaker 1: Well pushing all this ideology. Who's who's pushing I know Iran has a hand there, I know China has a hand there, but the Open Society Foundation, you know, they had an office in Johannesburg, they were a big part of the revolution in South Africa. And they still have a strong presence, and the ideology that they espouse there is stronger today than it ever was even back then.
Speaker 0: So because the ANSI doctrine was written in Soviet times and is being implemented, you know, they play a long game. Infect the universities, infect the schools, they infect the legal system, they infect the media and it's very well played out in South Africa right now. And all the George Soros' and Obamas need to do is give it a little bit of a push or not say anything and let it get on with itself. And then you have corporate South Africa saying nothing. Most of these state institutions being captured, it's a great word, by the ANC.
You know, they put these demons in charge of all of these places. Then you have DEI. Then you have all of these laws, policies, regulations, initiatives, and suddenly we wake up now and realize we're being boiled like a frog in a pot. And that is what's happening. Until your new administration said, we see what's happening and we're gonna point it out to the world.
We'd be finished if that meeting in the White House hadn't taken place last week. It'd be over.
Speaker 1: So what is the positive then?
Speaker 0: The positive is I don't wanna leave the country because it is the most beautiful country in the world. And I don't say it lightly. Anyone who's been there I mean, if you take Sydney, San Francisco, what's another beautiful city, Miami, smash them together, Cape Town's Ten times more magnificent than all three put together. The people are more fun, crazy, amusing, interesting, beautiful. I mean, it's we've got such you know, we've animals.
We've got wine route. We've got you know, if you go up the East Coast Of Australia, that beach is the same all the way up. It's boring as hell. If you go to New Zealand, it's beautiful. Oh my god.
I lost five days. It's so boring. South Africa has madness, danger, beauty, fun, everything. It's the it's I love it. It's the greatest country on the planet.
I don't wanna leave it, and I'm gonna fight for it.
Speaker 1: What would you say then to people who I mean, why why go to South Africa? Why travel all that way across the world and spend all that money if there's racism there and everything's falling apart? I mean, what would be the point?
Speaker 0: Come see it. You ain't seen nothing yet. It is beyond magnificent.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Doctor Ian Player, the famous South African who actually wrote the Yes,
Speaker 0: I knew Ian Player and I know Gary Player very well. I saw Gary in Miami last week. They are national treasures and national heroes. You know what that is? My calling on the other line.
Hello, darling. I'm just on the Laura Logan show. I'll call you right back. You're now live on the Laura Logan show. I'll call you back.
I have to take those calls.
Speaker 1: You do.
Speaker 0: Look. The players are national treasures. South Africa produces wonderful people of all shapes, sizes, and pigments. It's look, come visit, decide for yourselves, but I wouldn't jump up and down to invest if I was an American. Sorry to say it.
We gotta fix the country, then you can invest. It'll take off like a rocket.
Speaker 1: Well, what Doctor. Pleya said to me, I asked him that question probably more than twenty years ago, and Doctor. Pleya, you know, he wrote the Warsaw Convention that is really the basis of conservation worldwide, he was an incredible man. And I asked him that same question, why should anyone come to South Africa? And he said, This is your home.
This was your home millions of years ago, and he said, come put your head on this soil and see what you dream.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You're putting hair on the back of my neck has gone up. There's no place like home, said Dorothy. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And what would you would you ask of the American people as they try to make sense of this? You know, is there a genocide? Is there not a genocide? What would you ask of them in this moment?
Speaker 0: I would ask of them to just keep listening and keep watching because your administration is going to do something about it and that's fundamentally important because we're not gonna fix the country internally. We need an external threat, an external carrot and stick, and only the greatest country in the world, America, can do that.
Speaker 1: Why should Americans care? Why should they care what happens in South Africa?
Speaker 0: Because South Africa is Judeo Christian country that is the greatest springboard into Africa. Africa will have the largest population in the world very soon. Africa will be fundamentally important to the world in twenty, thirty years' time. Most of the minerals, metals, commodities, arable land is in Africa. Africa is gonna be a defining feature strategically, technologically, militarily, culturally for the world, and America needs to get involved because you haven't had a foreign policy there.
You've left it to Russia and China. South Africa's the way in. Save South Africa, fix South Africa, and get into South Africa, and we'll bring you the rest of Africa.
Speaker 1: What do you think has been the cost of America's strategic failure to really engage in Africa?
Speaker 0: The future of the world.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 0: You know, if America is isolationist, if America ignores Africa, China, with its Belt and Road initiative, China, with its rapacious investing, will control all of the minerals, metals, rare earths that they need. Russia doesn't really need all of that because they've got it all in their own country anyway. But here's a problem. No one mentions this. Okay?
The greatest threat to Africa is the Islamification of Africa. The Islam radical Islam is moving very quickly through Africa. I'll take one country, Burkina Faso, which as all your followers will know, the capital is Wagadugu. That's a joke. Burkina Faso last generation was 70% Christian and 30% Muslim.
It's now 70% Muslim and 30% Christian. And that Islamification is moving south. And 10 to to 15% are radical Islam. It's the greatest threat to Africa. And, you know, unless somebody takes notice and somebody has a look, believe me, Africa is gonna be a massive opportunity but also a massive threat unless America starts to have a proper foreign policy and get actively involved.
Speaker 1: Well, South Africa has a role to play in that because South Africa has been a money laundering place for Islamic jihad. It has provided passports. It's provided refuge and safe haven for a lot of these groups. It's important to the supply chains, the logistics chains, the financial chains, and if you look just in Durban, where I grew up, remember I don't know fifteen years ago walking with a woman who was like a mother to me, and women passed us completely in black with even a metal guard over their and my African my African mother, my Zulu African mother said to me, what is this and where did it come from?
Speaker 0: So Boris Johnson, the prime minister of England called them post boxes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I
Speaker 0: remember that. You got into a lot of trouble for that. Laura, I'm gonna have to jump.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: I'm afraid to say. But I will come down to Fredericksburg. I'm gonna be in Texas in July, August, and I will come to Fredericksburg.
Speaker 1: Come and see us, and I'll see her
Speaker 0: in Keep the flag flying.
Speaker 1: We'll get Ronnie Jackson and his wife to join us for Send
Speaker 0: him this show.
Speaker 1: I will do that. I will definitely send it to him. Thank you so much, Rob. You take care.
Speaker 0: See you soon.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.
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I believe it's outrageous that working Americans are expected to subsidize the education of international students at Harvard while being excluded themselves. It feels even more frustrating when these graduates show contempt for the very people who contributed to their privilege.
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Harvard can pay its own bills. The idea that working Americans should subsidize the education of students from across the world, while themselves being shut out of places like this is outrageous. And when they get out, they demonstrate nothing but contempt for those whose blood, sweat & tears made their privilege possible.
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This is the university that thinks white taxpayers should be helping to pay its bills. https://t.co/nGJuQO48yv
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@laralogan @BAMAPERRY @grok what is Noel Ignatiev’s religious background?
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This is the university that thinks white taxpayers should be helping to pay its bills. https://t.co/nGJuQO48yv
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The conversation began with a comment about a university's financial expectations from white taxpayers. In response, a participant inquired about Noel Ignatiev's religious background. Another participant provided details, stating that Ignatiev was born to Jewish immigrant parents and raised in a culturally Jewish environment. While his Jewish heritage influenced his early identity, he later aligned more with Marxist ideologies. The impact of his religious background on his views, particularly regarding the concept of abolishing whiteness, remains a debated topic.
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This is the university that thinks white taxpayers should be helping to pay its bills. https://t.co/nGJuQO48yv
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@laralogan @BAMAPERRY @grok what is Noel Ignatiev’s religious background?
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Noel Ignatiev was born to Jewish immigrant parents from Russia and raised in a culturally Jewish environment in Philadelphia. His family name was originally Yignatievski. While his Jewish background likely shaped his early identity, he later identified more with Marxist ideologies than religious practice, as seen in his writings and activism. His religious background's influence on his views, like abolishing whiteness as a social construct, is debated and complex, with no definitive evidence tying it directly to his work.
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In the latest episode, I dive into the alarming issue of online child exploitation networks with Becca Spinks. We discuss the dark influence of online extremists, the intersection of technology and extremism, and the origins of accelerationist ideology. The conversation covers manipulation tactics used by online extremists, the concept of satanic accelerationism, and the dangers posed by online cults. Viewer discretion is advised due to the disturbing content. Support for the podcast is appreciated.
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NEW EPISODE: The Dark Networks Preying on Children - Exposed: One On One with Becca Spinks Pt 1 | Episode 17 (00:00) - Online Child Exploitation Network Exposed (04:52) - The Dark Influence of Online Extremists (12:24) - Technology and Extremism, Population Decline (16:46) - Origins of Accelerationist Ideology (25:39) - Online Extremism and Manipulation Tactics (34:36) - Satanic Accelerationism and Online Extremism (46:41) - Satanic Cult of Serial Killers (59:35) - Dangers of Online Cults and Extremism (01:07:18) - Evil and Abuse in Online Communities * Viewer discretion advised. Disturbing material. Support this podcast! Link in the comments. ⏬ @bx_on_x @GoingRoguewLara #onlinepredators #764Network
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Becca Spinks discusses harmful online communities, focusing on the "764 network," which grooms unsupervised children, manipulates them, and coerces them into horrific acts on camera for extortion. This network uses blackmail, threatening to swat victims' houses or expose them if they don't comply. The goal is notoriety within the group, pushing children towards self-harm, animal torture, and even suicide on livestream.
These groups, including the satanic "Order of Nine Angles" (O9A), aim for societal collapse by traumatizing children, sometimes turning them into abusers. O9A infiltrates vulnerable communities, using propaganda and aesthetics to promote evil.
The "Maniac Murder Cult" (MKU), originating from Ukraine, grooms individuals to commit terror attacks. MKU has links to neo-Nazi factions and has influenced mass shootings. Accelerationist ideologies, aiming to incite chaos, are a common thread.
These groups exploit technology and social media to find and manipulate vulnerable individuals, often minors, sometimes with international connections, making them difficult to track and prosecute.
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Speaker 0: They prey on kids who they find unsupervised online. They bring them in. They groom them. They manipulate them. They coerce them into doing horrific stuff on camera.
Basically, it's an extortion group. They're getting illicit photos and videos of your child and then using that to blackmail them and threaten them. If you don't give us more and more, we're going to swat your house, or show your nudes to everybody in your class, and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Going Rogue with Lara Logan. This is probably one of the most important interviews that I have ever done in my career, spanning more than thirty five years as a journalist, and my guest today is Becca Spinks, you probably have never heard of her, but when you hear about the work that she has done, you will understand how brave she is, and how significant the what she has learned is for so many people today. There are truly evil forces at work in our society, and they're not just random individuals that are harming someone somewhere, these are really organized networks that have connections to mass shootings and to school shootings and are global, right, they operate all over the world. And probably the scariest thing that I learned studying her work and researching this myself is that as a mom, I might think my child is safe because they're home alone, but they're not really alone because they can be terrorized for years by people thousands of miles away who can bring them to the point of suicide. And there have been kids who've who've been who've taken their own lives, and there are kids who've hurt themselves repeatedly.
And so this is a terrifying phenomenon that has taken place across social media. You might have heard about seven six four, the sort of satanic pedophile cult that was recently highlighted by the FBI, Kash Patel and Pam Bondi, announcing a number of arrests. I was looking into this before that, and years before me was this wonderful woman, Becca, who is who is incredibly brave, and her personal story, her personal journey of how she got there also fascinated, and we're gonna get into all of that and more. Becca, thank you so much for being here with us.
Speaker 0: Thank you, Laura. I'm really happy to be here.
Speaker 1: I know lots of people are trying to interview you now, but like, I was not the first, because I've seen other things you've done, but I was one of the first.
Speaker 0: Yes. It's been a long uphill battle. It's been very lonely for me up until the last couple of months where things have just exploded, and I saw I've been telling people I'm probably gonna take a little break after this and settle down a little bit. It's been it's been pretty stressful.
Speaker 1: Okay. So there are a lot of different groups that have different, you know, identities and different stages, sort of levels of notoriety, and I want to get into that and explain it, but but if you were to sum up, if you were explaining to a, you know, a parent or somebody out there, what is it that you're talking about that you're so concerned about and that you've been exposing? Can you can you give us an overview description?
Speaker 0: Yeah. So I've been at the forefront of reporting on and exposing a network of harmful online communities, the most well known of which is the seven six four network. Seven six four is this honestly, it's almost like an online cult. They they prey on kids who they find unsupervised online, they bring them in, they groom them, they manipulate them, and they, you know, they coerce them into doing horrific stuff on camera. There's basically, it's an extortion group.
So, you know, they're they're getting, you know, illicit and illicit photos and videos of your child and then using that to blackmail them and threaten them. If you don't give us more and more, we're going to, you know, swat your house or show your nudes to everybody in your class and things of that nature. And then it becomes almost a competition within the the group to see who can get the kids to do the most horrible things, and that's where we get into, you know, the self harm, cutting their abusers names into their bodies, killing and torturing pets and animals, all the way up to trying to coerce the children to commit suicide on livestream.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that bother me about this, and I should say this interview is and this subject matter is not for the faint of heart. So if you if you, you know, if you don't think you can handle it, then this is your chance to break away. I would say, Becca, part of the thing that just bothers me so much about this is, you you say it's an extortion network and that's true. It's very obvious. Mhmm.
But it's not even about money.
Speaker 0: That's right. It's about notoriety. It's about egging people on it and and trying to gain notoriety within the group, which is really hard to fathom. And pure enjoyment. It is and it is about personal enjoyment.
There's also the aspect of which they're trying to actually traumatize and and harm the kids in such a way that they're no longer useful to society. And a lot of times, they're trying to get the kids to become abusers themselves, and this is Which does happen a lot. It does happen a lot, and this is part of what they call an accelerationist ideology, where they're basically striving for societal collapse. They want everything that's good about our society to collapse and cease to exist. They want chaos and evil to to reign over our society, and one of the ways they're doing that is by corrupting and harming and traumatizing our children.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty extraordinary. It's like you've taken all the dark evil forces of the world, and through technology, and through social media, and through online gaming, and and and chat rooms like Discord, and so on, you've created an infrastructure for these people to find each other Mhmm. And to proliferate.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yes. And it's it's very much a, you know, people ask me, oh, this stuff is on the dark web. Right? And I'm like, no.
It's right there on the surface. Your kid can just wander into a a disc they could be on Roblox playing a a seven and up game on Roblox and then get invited to a Discord server. And then if you don't have control over their your your kid's device and you don't know what they're doing on their phone or their device, they're in a Discord chat room with these people who are grooming in grooming them. Or in some ways, even worse, they go to like a eating disorder group on x
Speaker 1: or on Instagram or somewhere. Right? Yes. That's right. Kids who
Speaker 0: are vulnerable in some way. Yes. They're trying to find vulnerable kids as victims because they know it's easier to push those kids to make the self harm content, and and also to just otherwise just groom and exploit them and manipulate them. There's a there was a situation a few weeks ago where we found a community on X with 65,000 members where mostly children goading them each other into self harm. They were cutting themselves, and they were basically glorifying it and making it cool and and having contests to see who who's were the best, whose cuts were the best, and we found these predators all over that community trying to find these kids and get them into private chats for this reason.
Speaker 1: It's truly it's truly unbelievable because, you know, I remember I didn't even know what cutting was when I grew up. I mean, I'm 54 years old. I'm not that old, and it wasn't a thing.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I remember when I and I'm 40, but I remember back when I was growing up, it was occasionally somebody would do it to look cool or get attention or something, but then they would knock it off. I can't imagine if we were in these chat rooms with everybody trying to encourage each other to do it, how horrific that would have been for
Speaker 1: those What bothers me is that it it bleeds over into regular society, into the whole of society. Correct. Because now, you know, even with my kids, I mean, there's a there's a ton of their friends who at some point have cut themselves. Mhmm. You know, I mean, they may not be in a chat room, they may not be, you know, doing it to the point that we're talking about with these victims.
Mhmm. Right? But they're but they why are they doing it at all?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And How do they even know about this? And these make it seem like a like it's a acceptable outlet, a healthy outlet for them, and they call it their safe space. And so when I got this community with 65,000 members banned, I had 65,000 angry teenagers attacking my ex account to the point where I almost had to almost had to just private my account and log off because they were so angry at me because they kept insisting that this is our safe space, we're safe here. Wow.
They literally have no idea how much danger they're in.
Speaker 1: That's brainwashing. Yes. Absolutely. And manipulation in the extreme, right? Yes.
Yes. So, you know, this is this is very dark, and a lot of people don't wanna face this kind of reality, a lot of people just in fact, it'll be a miracle if this program is not censored and suppressed. You know? It's okay. I mean, I I you know, I'm okay with that.
It's it's this is so important for people to know what's happening with their kids. And this concept of so on the one hand, you have you have groups like the seven six four network that has been recently highlighted by Pam Bondi, the attorney general, and Kash Patel, head of the FBI, because they did a bunch of arrests.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, you have a group like o nine a, which is the Order of Nine Angles Mhmm. Which is satanic occult based.
Speaker 0: Right? Satanic accelerationists is what I've been calling them.
Speaker 1: That's right. And by accelerationists, you mean these people that seek to accelerate the end of society Yes. And humanity. Yes. And then on the other hand, you there's this sort of you have all these offshoots.
Right? Like, no lives matter.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And then the one out of the group out of Ukraine that is super violent
Speaker 0: Mhmm. Which is the Maniac Murder Cult.
Speaker 1: The Maniac Murder Cult, m k u, they call And then The Com, which is another extortion network that has different factions in the music industry and in, like, in different parts of different areas Yes. Depending on what your child is in Yeah. Is interested in.
Speaker 0: It's a very tangled web out there. And what I've been able to put together is that so Calm is a broader network of communities that are criminal in nature. You have everything from extortionists to people who are doing Bitcoin scams, hacking, and, you know, all there's all kinds of different arms of calm. And then you had the o nine a influence kinda seep into some of those communities, and that's where we saw these seven six four style communities emerge. So what do
Speaker 1: you mean by o nine eight influence? Can you describe that?
Speaker 0: Yeah. So they're these people are very good at propaganda. They're very good at at at art. Like, they have, you know, music, they have art, they have, you know, graphics that they make, and they distribute and they distribute these these aesthetics that are very catchy. Right?
They're cool. I think that what they do is they infiltrate communities and kind of pretend to be part of the community, but they're also trying to push people to read the the cult's literature, they're pushing them to use those aesthetics and to gravitate more towards a subversive evil nature. They choose groups that are already on the edge, they call these groups, they they say they have sinister potential. So if you think that you're over here trying to find people to nudge off the edge, the closer they are to the edge, the easier they are to nudge off. Right?
And so they're looking for these communities where people are already doing criminal stuff or maybe extremist groups. Mhmm. Those are those are the targets that they they use because they want to try to, you know, subvert those groups.
Speaker 1: So o nine a really began before July, is that right?
Speaker 0: Yes. It's been around for several decades, at least at least until at least up until around 1970, I think.
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I think I'm gonna blow you away with something. It blew me away when I discovered it. Do you know that there is, I'm gonna find my notes here, which is normally something I don't do, but I wanna make sure I don't mess it up. There is a man who is a Lebanese, I believe Sunni, Kamal Salim, who was recruited at seven years old. This book is has was written years ago.
They got them first to kill animals Mhmm. To get them used to killing Mhmm. And then to kill Jews. Mhmm. And the tactics that he describes in this book are exactly like the tactics that you see across these organizations.
Speaker 0: That sounds a lot like MKU. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like there's nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. What book is that?
Speaker 1: It's I don't have the the name of it. I have to look that up for you. But his name is Kamal Salim, s a l e e m. He's a Lebanese Sunni, and oh, actually, the the title of the book is called Ismail Redeemed.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Because Ismail, I think, was the father of the Arabs Mhmm. And the bastard son, you know, if you go back to the Bible, and and his this is his journey from the god of hate to
Speaker 0: the god of love. Interesting. Yeah. You're right, nothing new under the sun, right? They're using age old tactics to to groom and extort and manipulate these people into doing things.
Yes.
Speaker 1: But the difference is today, they have technology. Yes. And that takes, you know, I try to get people to understand this with vote fraud. Sure. People have always stolen elections.
People have always cheated. Politicians have always cheated. But when you introduce technology, you could cheat and steal the entire election Mhmm. With the push of a button or the, you know, writing it into code or whatever. Mhmm.
They don't understand it. It's like it's like going from pickpocketing to global credit card for fraud instantly.
Speaker 0: Yep. I mean, it's the same way that, you know, these these communities in Calm, they're cybercriminals. Right? So they're very good at that already. They're already really good at mining Bitcoin.
Right? At stealing Bitcoin, scamming people, at hacking. Some of these people in Calm have been famously, like, imprisoned for decades. Some like, in they're very young, but they're in in prison for decades for hacking government databases and and using the information inside for nefarious malicious reasons. Right?
And so, yeah, there's there's a lot of these little communities of young adults who are very technologically adept. And it's scary because when when you have an evil inclination in you, that technological prowess can lead you to do some incredibly evil things. So
Speaker 1: I know that seven six four is what has been in the news and what everybody's focused on now, But I just wonder from your research, and I realize, you know, you're you're looking at whatever you can, you have a small team Mhmm. And you've uncovered a lot, but obviously, some of this is buried between beneath layers and layers. Right? And so from your perspective, how far back does it go and where does it begin?
Speaker 0: Are you talking about the Order of Nine Angles specifically? Or just this?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the this kind of accelerationist organization.
Speaker 0: Well, you could date accelerationist ideology back, you know, centuries. But when we're looking at this form of accelerationism, I would say if I had to give you a date where things got exponentially worse, it was when the Internet was was invented and when because if you look at the order of nine angles and you look at their history, they were basically you know, even though they've been around since 1970, the founder, David Myatt, was really just writing literature and building a cult and building his occult praxis with little to no followers. And if you wanted to the weirdo Yeah.
Speaker 1: In in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And if you want members, you have to go and and give people pamphlets and leaflets and put them in people's mailboxes and try to get people to join in person. And so the o nine eight had a had a, like, a rough start where he was building this he he's also a master of manipulation, like, so he got a lot of people to believe that it was this big spooky shadowy cult. But when you look at actually the paper trail and people who knew him, it becomes apparent that it was just him making all of this grandeur up. Right?
However, when the Internet got started, he saw a big opportunity to spread his cult. He was a very early adopter of online chat rooms, AOL. When was that? I mean, in the nineties to early two thousands.
Speaker 1: So he had, I mean, he was at it all I mean, for decades. Yeah. Really long time.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And so they infiltrated the Internet and they realized, oh, well, is a great place for us to well, why do we even need the virtual the the physical worlds anymore when we have this virtual world to play in? And that's when the cult really took off and proliferated. And alongside it, even even though this is only one part of the accelerationist story, there's other forms of accelerationists who hate satanism. Right?
Like Christian identity groups like Injectivision that are on the other end of the coin. Right? So their acceleration is it it doesn't have an ideology pinned to it. It's just a a set of tactics that people use to, you know, incite this collapse for whatever reason they wanted incite it.
Speaker 2: So when I look at
Speaker 1: that and when I listen to you, you know what it reminds me of? Antifa.
Speaker 0: Sure. Yeah. They have very similar model, and I'm sure that they've been infiltrated by accelerationists too because, of course, they have. Any kind of community like that that's prone towards political activism or any kind of violence or subversive nature, they're going to get get in there and infiltrate.
Speaker 1: And they share the goal of anarchy. Right? Of the of the destruction of True. And I
Speaker 0: think the difference between different forms of accelerationism is that on the one hand, you have these people who who are like, let's say they are the actual neo Nazis, they are actual white supremacists who who believe, and this is actually far more common in Eastern Europe. But but you have these people who believe that by accelerating the downfall of of Western society, their own countries will collapse, and they'll be able to install their fascist regimes in the ashes. Right? But when you look at satanic accelerationism, what the Order of Nine Angles believes, and it's kind of pokey, but what what they actually believe is that the more evil you can create in our current world, they can channel that evil through these nexions, these gateways, and open up portals to, you know, the the a causal realm where the dark gods live, and they're letting the dark gods through our, you know, through the the fabric of the universe and into our world, and they do believe that once all of these dark gods are into our current plane of existence, that it's going to facilitate an apocalypse, and that they're gonna be the only people remaining standing, and then they're gonna go colonize the Milky Way.
So that's that's the that's the praxis, that's the belief of the Order of Nine Eagles, it's a cult.
Speaker 1: Is the Milky Way their version of the 74 virgins?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's they call it the Galactic Imperium.
Speaker 1: Okay. They're batshit crazy.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. But at the same time, how much of this was built by David Myatt as a as a way to kind of because, you know, we know that he was a national socialist and an accelerationist. So when you look at the night 1970, pretty trendy to have a death cult in 1970. Right?
Yeah. I mean you gotta wonder There was the Moonies. If you ask me Charles Manson. I don't know for Came right fact that David Myatt ever actually believed all of that stuff. I think he was more of like a science fiction writer who built this as a way to control people, but that's just my personal theory.
And I've spoken with him. You have? He's still around? Yeah. He's around.
He's on Twitter if you or X, I guess, you if you talk about him enough, he'll show up on a sock puppet account and start arguing with you about himself.
Speaker 1: But he's no longer the head of the Order of Nine Angles.
Speaker 0: He's retired Yeah. But he's still very much active in the social media landscape. That's so interesting,
Speaker 1: because I remember from your series, you went through sort of the history of of The Order of Nine Angles, and for those of you who haven't seen it, your series, five part series, they're not very long episodes, twenty twenty five minutes. They can find you on x. Where else can they find those?
Speaker 0: Rumble. On Rumble. B x on Rumble.
Speaker 1: Yeah. B x on x and b x on Rumble, those are great. Those are really that's a great series that you did.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe he's still around. That's crazy.
Speaker 0: He's a you know, I call I used to call him, and people have disagreed with me on this, but I've called him an old man full of regret. Like, to some extent, what he does is he gets onto the Internet and argues that this wasn't what the what the cult was meant to be, and that seven six four and all of this stuff is not actually part of the the cult and that, you know, you can see that it kinda got away from him, what he built got away from him, and now he doesn't like the result. And he wants to kind of be I feel like he wants to at least publicly be separated from that stigma of child abuse, but unfortunately, you started it. So
Speaker 1: So when you say he started the child abuse, can you explain that?
Speaker 0: No. I mean, not that he started the child abuse, but basically, the way he formed his cult was by saying that nexions, which are basically the layman's term is like like a faction. Right? But more esoterically, it's a gateway or portal. Right?
Where they concentrate evil energy. But it could be two people living in a house could form an action themselves. Right? Well, his rule was basically that there are no rules, and then nobody can tell an action what they can and can't do. So now we have one where people we have a grown man or or, you know, people doing My Little Pony stuff, worshiping My Little Pony altars.
Okay? They can't stop them from doing that. If you wanna if you wanna infiltrate and subvert a group around child abuse and use that as your evil gateway. Technically, way he built the cult, there's no there's no one to say otherwise.
Speaker 1: Technically, you can pick whatever evil you want.
Speaker 0: And then later on, he he did try to write more literature to clarify that that's not what he meant and that child abuse was wrong. Too late. Too late. Yeah. The the train had left the station.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. So this sounds demonic. Yes. Right?
Yes. Very much so. What's your experience and understanding of that part of this?
Speaker 0: Well, you know, personally, I I just I think I leave it at beliefs are powerful, you know. What what what people believe or what you can get people to believe are very powerful things. So if they believe that a space demon named Vindex is going to come in through a stargate and usher in the apocalypse, and they're willing to abuse children and kill people and commit terror attacks to do it, it's it's a pretty valid belief. Right? Even though, no, I don't actually believe what they believe, but they believe it and that's what matters.
Speaker 1: That's quite something. So is that an actual Vindex is the actual space demon that they think is coming? Yeah. Vindex is its name. And what are they prepared to do bring this?
Speaker 0: So they're encouraged they're really encouraged to do a lot of infiltration of political activist groups. Mhmm. They're encouraged to infiltrate religious communities like the church, and they're also encouraged to kill people, which they call culling. So culling is a part of their ideology where they, you know, you have to go and sacrifice an opt for, which is what their word for an offering, but culling doesn't necessarily mean you're just ritualistically killing someone with a knife, they they also can sacrifice somebody by convincing them to go do something evil by proxy, and that's actually their forte. So if they can go into one of these communities and find a vulnerable kid and get that kid to go commit a terror attack or do something evil, they feel like that that builds the intensity of the evil itself.
And that's where the manipulation comes.
Speaker 1: Yes. And that's also where the nexus comes with kids hurting themselves, hurting their pets, animals, hurting their parents, family members, hurting random complete strangers. Mhmm. And this is something I found really interesting, the link to school shootings and mass shootings.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yes. This is something I discovered pretty early on, and everyone thought I was crazy, and I am aware it sounded crazy at the time. I'm glad that it's getting some recognition and some vindication, but back when I started looking into this around 2022, it was not well received. And what did you find?
I found that there were acceleration there I found that there were no real such thing as a lone wolf shooter that these kids, especially, like, there's all kinds of mass shootings that happen, okay, for all different reasons. There could be a gang related one, there could be a domestic related one, there could be kids that just like the clock tower dude that snaps. Right? But but these specific ones you were finding that were using the r 15, using those aesthetics, putting out manifestos, that was a pretty recent phenomenon.
Speaker 1: And they all they have a similar kind of look about them,
Speaker 0: like We call them for a while, we were calling them aesthetic shooters because we didn't really understand what it was. But one thing that I was sure about is that they weren't lone wolf, that they were being provoked in they were all in chat rooms, online communities, and that they were talking to other people, and there were co conspirators and possibly even people grooming them to go do those attacks. And so that's where I found Order of Nine Angles because, you know, I had found another researcher who believed that that group was behind a couple of mass shootings, and I what I found corroborated that. What did you find? I I found, you know, just the definitive links where these, for example, Order nine Angle's members had infiltrated these extremist communities and were pushing people towards violence, self harm, suicide, and I was like, yeah, this is this is definitely feasible.
Speaker 1: Can you remember any specific examples with o nine a and mass shootings?
Speaker 0: Yeah. So well, more recently, I can make like a lot more clear ties. Mhmm. But back then, things were still kinda hazy because we were coming in late to the game, and a lot of that information was scrubbed off the Internet, and because Yes. Not as many people were aware of what was going on, and so people weren't looking in the right places when the when the actual shooting happened.
The first one that that we found that was conclusively connected was the Topps Buffalo Buffalo, New York shooting at the Topps grocery store by Peyton Gendron. And when I did my deep dive into this in 2022, I was like, who is this person? He's like, he has a manifesto, but then he has a journal where he's talking about, oh, yeah. I was talking to Saint Sandman earlier and he was giving me advice on what guns to buy. And so to me, I'm like, this is intriguing.
Who is Saint Sandman? And I became obsessed with with this idea. Like, who is Sandman trying to find this guy? And ultimately, what we did find was that Gingren was directly tied to a seven six four precursor group called CVLT, another one of these satanic self harm extortion groups.
Speaker 2: CVLT like cult but with a v.
Speaker 1: Right? Okay. But but what is a precursor group?
Speaker 0: So seven six four network, I should have probably explained this early on, but but we use seven six four network as an umbrella term to encompass, like, all of these little splinter groups like you were talking about, because what happens is that kids join these groups or people join these groups and go, I don't like the leader of this group, I'm gonna make my own cult called, you know, six nine nine six or whatever, and I'm gonna give it a different name, and I'm gonna force people to recognize it, but I'm not gonna force they're not gonna force me to recognize it, I'm just gonna call them seven six four network.
Speaker 1: It's great because what you have is what you've created is a self replicating network. Yes. That Decentralized. Yes. Decentralized that keeps creating its own nodes.
Yes. Yes. Which of course It's
Speaker 0: very hard to track and keep track of. Very difficult.
Speaker 1: And you have the anonymity of the Internet. Right. And you can create different identities, different emails, different log ons, different, you know, where it handles. Yes. Very very difficult.
And then any of those can be infiltrated?
Speaker 0: Yes. And, you know, they can all have different MO's, they could all they could change up the way they're looking targeting victims, so it makes it very hard for researchers to track and actually And law enforcement. Yeah. And law enforcement. Yes.
It's not people act people ask a lot, like, well, how come they're not arresting more of these guys? And I from what I've seen, the the answer is at least partially that it's very hard to to track these people down, especially a lot of them are overseas. They're not even in The US. Because it's a global network. Yeah.
So you'll have people we found people who live in Libya. People live in Serbia. Well, how are you gonna get those guys? Right? It's very difficult for for law enforcement.
This is an international crisis. They can't
Speaker 1: even get to Canada. I know.
Speaker 0: We any any any other country, we we work better with Canada and The UK. Yeah. But it's still probably a lot it's a barrier. Right? It's barrier to finding and catching these guys, you know, and the fact that a lot of them are also minors.
So some of them are minors, and and the fact of that matter is it's not that we're like, oh, we're just gonna let them go. No. It's they put them through the system, but we don't hear about it because of laws around anonymity. So for the most part, when they're when they're finding these kids who are part of system, the network, and arresting them, we just don't hear about it. So I bet that there's probably been a whole lot more arrests that we haven't heard about.
Speaker 1: Well, and I know from the trafficking world, from child trafficking, that the the best, most successful recruiters are fellow kids. You know, so it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker 0: Except on the Internet, you can just pretend to be a kid.
Speaker 1: Right. And they're none the wiser. Mhmm. I always told my kids that, you know, you know, don't speak to anyone on the Internet, and don't let anyone join your games, and, you know, when they only once they said they, you know, one of them said they met someone, they have a friend, and I said, that is that is a grown man Yeah. Sitting in his tidy whiny He's the beacon.
His mother's basement That's terrifying. And pretending, and and they're like, mom. Well, yeah, you know, my kids They were little. The living daylights out
Speaker 0: of them
Speaker 1: so that they didn't make any more friends online.
Speaker 0: Good. Because, you know, my kid's only seven, my daughter's seven, and seeing this stuff has traumatized me. I mean, as a mom, I think it would traumatize anyone, but especially as a mom, seeing the seeing what these girls go through and having been in the position I've been in to talk to victims because they've come to me for help, and seeing what these kids are going through mentally, how traumatized they are, how terrified they are. So, you know, I started telling my daughter really early on, you know, strangers apply to online too. If you're ever talking to somebody on the Internet, you don't know who they are, they could be a stranger trying to come and snatch you, trying to come kidnap you, you don't know.
Yeah. And that's as far as I take it with my seven year old, obviously, because she's young, but as they get older, you need to have the talk about sextortion and grooming and, you know, steps they can take to protect themselves in case that ever did happen to them because you can only be there so much. Right?
Speaker 1: I wish we could find another word for grooming, because it doesn't even come close.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Right? I mean, it's just it's manipulation. It's brainwashing.
Speaker 1: It's it's just terrible. I wanna play, if we can, take a look at the intro to your part five of your series, because it it summarizes some of what you do in the first four episodes and I think people will find it helpful to get that visual.
Speaker 0: Okay. As I've continued to advance my understanding of online extremist communities over the past two and half years, I've run across a wide range of accelerationist variants. There is the effective accelerationists, a relatively harmless community which hopes to fast track the evolution of human civilization through advancements in tech. There's a cult like community of Hegelian accelerationists who want to transform American society into a d a o technocracy. Then there's the even darker side of accelerationism.
Highly decentralized and leaderless groups that believe violence, chaos, and even apocalyptic conditions are needed to reboot the system. Militant accelerationism is a rapidly growing movement that believes in the use of extreme and oftentimes violent tactics to hasten societal collapse. Most focusing some version of hate based violent extremism, including calls for genocide of racial or ethnic minority groups. But one variety takes the concept of violent genocide to a level that's even more extreme, advocating for t h d, total human death. Enter the satanic accelerationists.
Satanic accelerationists believe that the only path forward for human civilization is a mass genocide of apocalyptic proportions. They believe that by increasing the amount of evil in the world, they can speed up the fall of the West and usher in a new eon of darkness and chaos. To facilitate this, they infiltrate other extremist communities in order to spread their satanic influence and provoke community members commit sinister acts. Some extremist communities that have seen an influx of satanic accelerationist influence include national socialist movements, two a and malicious bases, and calm, the sprawling network of cyber criminal communities that includes the seven six four child exploitation network. Satanic accelerationism has ripped through the vast and interconnected network of extremist communities at an alarming rate.
One would be hard pressed to find a single accelerationist telegram channel that's free of satanic influence today. The entire terror landscape is currently engulfed in a blaze of hellfire. And it was an obscure UK based satanic cult called the order of nine angles that lit the match.
Speaker 1: We can stop there. Yeah. So that's let's let's clear up two big things about what you just described. Number one, it's it amuses me when I search these things and research and it's always cast as being sort of neo Nazi and right wing.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Is what can you speak to that?
Speaker 0: Yeah. So I think that, like I said before, David Myatt, the founder of o nine a is definitely a diehard national socialist. Some of the other like founding members of o nine a and some o nine a splinter groups have definitely been involved in the white supremacy communities. But the clue that holds them all together is is because there's a lot of different neo Nazi groups, but the the things that these guys have in common is the accelerationist, that they believe that they need to provoke terror attacks and evil and chaos in order to fulfill their their goals, achieve their goals. So at some levels, you know, you have them these people espousing a neo Nazi ideology, but to what extent that's actually, like, genuine is up for debate.
When you get to the lower levels like seven six four network, those kids are all over the place of every ethnic background. You've got black kids, Latino kids, you've got Asian kids, white kids, everybody is out there and part of these groups, and they don't actually have any kind of neo Nazi ideology. I think what throws media off is that they use these edgy aesthetics, and they really they they kind of gravitate towards the Nazi aesthetics, towards swastikas, and towards these things that that make people just recoil and disgust because that's what they're doing. They're trying to be the most disgusting horrific edgy things that they can be, but those the people in the seven six four network would never be considered a neo Nazi National Socialist. They don't they don't have that ideology.
They're doing this strictly for notoriety. They're doing it for their role within the group, and they're doing it because they want to create evil.
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Speaker 1: And they pick on the most evil symbols they can find. Yeah. So what what is more evil than the shawastik and maybe the pentagram? Yes.
Speaker 0: And they'll they'll show, I mean, imagery from war. Right? And a lot of their imagery is based around, you know, Nazism, and it could be part of the National Socialist roots of the group, but also it carries through because it they think it's cool and edgy.
Speaker 1: Yes. And it gets the react the response that
Speaker 0: they want. But in no way is this, you know, this black mass shooter and or school shooter, Solomon Henderson, right? In no way is he a neo Nazi. He doesn't believe in the tenets of National Socialism, like it's it's completely a misnomer to to try to blanket that statement in and and, you know, generalize the entire landscape as being neo Nazi, no, definitely not.
Speaker 1: But Solomon Henderson, that's a good example, there's he's he was connected to seven six four? Yes. Can you explain about his shooting? Because he killed a young girl.
Speaker 0: Yes, very sad. And then and then he turned the gun on himself, so I don't think that he was even very committed to the mass shooting.
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. Because he killed one person and then killed himself.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So what we saw with Solomon Henderson is actually this was a person who I had had interactions with on the internet because of the shooting in Madison, Wisconsin, which was just a couple months prior by a girl named Natalie or Samantha Rupnow. He had been an online friend of hers and was also kind of ruminating on a shooting, and I had actually sent his information to law enforcement and said, look into this account, and I gave him a list of accounts, look into these accounts because they were close to that shooter. Sure enough, a month later, he does his own shooting. He he was black.
He it was a school in Antioch Antioch High School in Nashville, Tennessee, and he left behind this ridiculous manifesto that was racist about against black people, and and had all of this crazy stuff, but but what people didn't understand because the media and stuff, they don't have this level of knowledge like, an inside information, but almost everything in that manifesto was copied and pasted from other manifestos or from internet tropes and memes, and he was throwing stuff in there just to get
Speaker 1: people to freak Law books. Right? As in l o r e, the law books that are these kind of manuals that they like to circulate.
Speaker 0: Well, lore book is more around centered around child sexual abuse material, but the manifesto that he had was basically just a way for him to get people to point fingers at each other. So he like blames Candace Owens, but he also blames the streamer Destiny and Hassan Piker And and and Mr Beast. Like these things make no sense.
Speaker 1: Beast who who gives things away.
Speaker 0: But what does the media do? They blame Candace Owens. Right?
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 0: And and and you're like, oh, facepalm because that's exactly what he wanted you to do. Did he even write it? Maybe, maybe not. It could have been one of these people who were grooming him in this chat room who, you know, we also are aware of these individuals who are doing that. But but the the point of the matter is that like, how ridiculous to call this person a neo Nazi or a white supremacist.
You know, clearly that's not the case. Clearly, is a very confused and troubled teenager who spent a lot of time in these chat rooms where he was being bombarded and indoctrinated, and hey, you know what would be really funny if you did the shooting and then put this manifesto out there. So they're doing it a lot of times for they they call it for the lulls, like l l u l, like lol, like l o l. They're just doing it for fun.
Speaker 1: The l u l is is for
Speaker 0: The lulls, that's what they call it. Yeah. That's what the kids say these days.
Speaker 1: So they kill people for fun? And watch people For
Speaker 0: the laughs.
Speaker 1: For fun.
Speaker 0: And then they're not only are they watching people suffer, but they're watching the media backlash, and they're watching the reaction among YouTubers and media and and and Twitter and x and all of this, and they're watching people knee jerk react to gun control, call them white supremacists, blame this person, blame that person.
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's too easy, right, to write a white supremacist style manifesto, get an AR 15, and then carry out a shooting Yeah. And that's sort of now the playbook for, oh, there's another right winger.
Speaker 0: Yes. That's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But it's completely fake.
Speaker 0: Well, I I think in some cases, they might groom a one of these young boys into believing that they're actually National Socialists. I guess they could, but but those people are both, you true, actually. True. But, yes, it can.
Speaker 1: But ideas were introduced. Yeah. And and How strongly do you
Speaker 0: think a 16 year old boy can really believe in neo nazism or any other kind of ideology like Especially growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, far from that.
Speaker 0: Right. Even if the even in the very rare cases that they app they outwardly say that I'm a satanist, and this is for Satan. Even in that case, I'm not even willing to say like at at some age, like 15, 16, very very influential impressionable age. Right? You can put ideas into those kids' heads so easily.
And so I will really really encourage people to to look at this kind of stuff critically and ask yourself, you know, are is this a a right wing problem? No. This is a problem that has no ideological or or political, like, indicator. Is something It
Speaker 1: can be manipulated for whatever end you want.
Speaker 0: And the great thing about what's what's happening recently is that it seems like the FBI has the US government has actually acknowledged this finally, and they've coined a new term which is nihilistic violent extremist, which is that what we're talking about, just doing it for the laws, doing it because it because they want people to die and hurt other people.
Speaker 1: And they want the chaos.
Speaker 0: They want the chaos. I mean, I don't I don't know that nihilistic was the best word, but it's certainly it it's they're moving in the right direction, right, which is away from calling this white supremacy and right wing extremism and all these Why don't you
Speaker 1: like nihilistic? Why wasn't that the best word?
Speaker 0: Well, I mean, nihilistic can explain a lot of different ideologies. Right? There's a lot of people who are, you know, more of the Nietzsche nihilists who are like, harmless, and then you've got these people who are something else entirely. Right? But of course, I'm not expecting the US government to call them satanic accelerationists.
Speaker 1: Why not? I mean, if that's what they are, call
Speaker 0: You know, I I recommended coalitional accelerationists, a violent extremist, so a bit like Cave. Right? Sort of in a cooler acronym too. But I
Speaker 1: I prefer nihilistic. Yeah. Have a It's good. I think it's better than Cave. Yeah.
Because Cave takes me to Yeah.
Speaker 0: Cavemen. Different stuff. And
Speaker 1: nihilistic at least tells me that these are people that, you know, annihilism too, they seek to annihilate Right. Yeah. To wipe out society.
Speaker 0: It's a, you know, a a better term than nihilists would be misanthropic. They're they're motivated by misanthropy, the hatred of people, and it doesn't matter, you know, they they might say that they're racist in their manifesto, but really what these kids are being pushed is that life doesn't matter, that your your your classmates are scum, that they're worthless, that they're subhuman.
Speaker 1: They're going to hate. Yeah.
Speaker 0: They're taught that they're the only person that matters, and they're taught that if you go and commit the school shooting, when once you die, we'll martyr you, and you'll be remembered forever, and your little click cult cult y community online, your school shooter community online will worship you as a god. And so these people are becoming gods and martyrs in their own minds, and that's what they're convincing these kids of.
Speaker 1: So I said there were two things about the video that I wanted to address. One was, you know, that part of it, the sort of the right wing part of it, because as we discussed before, I definitely see the hallmarks of the the the tactics of antifa and sight and agitate and so on. But you can see how it's across all it's not just Antifa. And then the other part of it that is that I wanted to address was this is classic fertile recruiting ground for intelligence agencies, federal agencies, I mean, you know, you've got you've got operations that have been exposed lately, like the the Michigan kidnapping plot. Mhmm.
There was a bunch of right wingers who there were more feds in that group than there were, you know, real people, and none of the real people wanted to kidnap the governor anyway, that was entrapment, you know, from beginning to end, and they will acquitted, you know, as a result. But but this is I know that you get into a lot of arguments online about the CIA's involvement and and so on, but there there are links to confidential informants and to federal agencies that have been
Speaker 0: discussed. Right? Yeah. To to a very minimal extent, I think that it's kind of been overplayed. I think that some of the information that we have, and I definitely I I believe what you're saying is true, you know, the way they're recruiting especially when you're looking at the extremist communities, not so much maybe not so much seven six four.
For that stuff, I see mostly just troubled teens and and pedophiles who were just doing horrible stuff. But when you get into like neo Nazi communities, right, like actual neo Nazi communities, Yeah. I I think that there's probably definitely a a lot of involvement there, and I think that's hard to deny. Right? And whether they're in there to make arrests and to stop terror attacks, or whether they're in there to, you know, hit their quota is definitely up for debate, but I see
Speaker 1: Like, mean, the you know, they could say, well, yeah, of course we infiltrate these groups, that's how we bring people to justice. Right. But then there's a that's a murky True.
Speaker 0: And I've seen this and I've seen criminal complaints on both ends of spectrum. Right? I I've read ones where I go, oh, okay. Was that 18 year old really going to just like build a drone and go fly over some festival and do all this on his own? Was this really his idea or was it your idea?
Right? But then I've also seen criminal complaints where like, wow, good job. Because that like, there was a case of Mikhail Takaykvashvili, whose nickname was Butcher. He was from the maniac murder cult in Ukraine, and he was in Moldova. He was a Georgian national living in Moldova, and from all the way over there, he was planning trying to get people to go commit a terror attack in New York City.
And we tracked this guy around. I'd had no idea that he was about to get arrested, but we had tracked him around. And I remember thinking, man, this guy is bad. Like, this is a serious foreign terrorist that we should do something about. Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I don't know any terrorist that just becomes a terrorist on their own.
Speaker 0: Right. Well, this now this one, he ended up being, I think, a 20 year old in Moldova, but he was influenced directly by this maniac murder cult group, we can How
Speaker 1: did you into. Yeah. Tell me about them.
Speaker 0: So maniac murder cult was founded by a man named Ygor Krasnov, who's from Nipro. He was a, you know, I wouldn't even say I don't wanna say neo Nazi. I mean, yes, he believes in National Socialism, but when you read his autobiography which he wrote for their terrorism manual, really this is just a kid who's been abused and neglected and beaten his whole life and ended up becoming a serial killer. He's claimed to have murdered over 30 people. He's in prison in the Ukraine right now, but he still leads a telegram channel from prison where he shares my documentaries.
Thank you, Igor. But that's crazy because the Ukrainians could shut that down They
Speaker 1: sure could. So they don't want to.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm crazy to me that he's still running a Telegram channel where he's like talking, you know, who is this b x lady and like go find her and stuff. I'm like, man, like, spicy. Right? Okay.
Speaker 1: So that makes you that automatically makes me wonder about ties because I I I've been looking at ties between the Trump assassination attempts
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And Ukraine.
Speaker 0: Well, there's definitely ties. You can't deny those ties. Well,
Speaker 1: tell me what you've
Speaker 0: So so going back to the MKU, right, or maniac murder cult, this guy Yigoor started this cult where basically, he wanted to start a cult of serial killers. But what he did was he he focused on the social media platform VK, which is popular in Russia. And so he ended up getting a lot of Russian separatists who were going and committing okay. Now this is the official narrative. Right?
You ask Ukraine and the SBU, they're gonna say, no. No. That's Russian disinformation, but we can only go off the facts here. That that the Russian nationals who were following Igor were committing terror attacks and murders in Russia. So since then, since he he was arrested, there have been there's been a huge expansion of influence of this group throughout the terror landscape, throughout 764, throughout No Lives Matter that you mentioned, it's everywhere.
What happened is that Order of Nine Angles guys got in there and started talking to the MKU guys, and they kind of fused together and and made something that was a little bit even more evil with the satanism. So now you have the literally is a satanic cult of serial killers from the Ukraine, and what they're doing is they're grooming kids in in chat rooms and trying to get them to go commit terror attacks. It's a lot less lot there's not as much focus on child abuse extortion. It's more about go out and go commit terror attacks on video, then send us the video, and we'll make cool video edits and you'll be awesome. Right?
So that's what those guys are doing. So, yeah, that that's a really spicy one. I think that MKU is a huge terror threat. Like, I think it's probably one of the biggest terror threats that we most people don't even know exists. But those guys are everywhere.
We found them in The US. We found them in Canada. The they committed two of their members were arrested for committing stabbings in Sweden, and one of them
Speaker 2: And one
Speaker 1: of them filmed
Speaker 0: it. Right? Both of them filmed it. Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But Old lady.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And he was you know, how old the attacker was? 14.
Speaker 1: And she was 72.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And he had stabbed multiple people, that he was like a serial stabber, fourteen years old being groomed by these people in chat rooms. And she was Roman y. Oh, you're thinking of a different one. You're thinking of Nino Luciano, who was also a MKU influence, but that was a different one.
But yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so these two boys found people to stab. I read about They were in Sweden. They were in Sweden. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 0: And so so, yeah, these guys are really basically, they'll basically, they'll they'll find a vulnerable kid, and they'll wind them up like a wind up toy, you know, and just like set you off to go stab a bunch of people, or do graffiti, or fire bomb a house, or a church, and do it on video for us. So that that's basically what MKU is. And the guy, Butcher, who was arrested, he his plot was to try to find somebody who would dress as Santa Claus and lace candy with ricin and give it out to minorities on Christmas in New York City. I mean, this guy was maniacal. He was trying to kill a bunch poison a bunch of kids.
Right? And he was eventually brought down by an undercover who was talking to him. So in that case, I'm more willing to be like, yeah, this guy was a problem. Right? Mhmm.
So I think it's definitely a mix of I mean, I can't really speak from a lot of experience in that field because I'm viewing it from the outside. Right?
Speaker 1: Mhmm. So that doesn't answer though the links to the Trump assassination.
Speaker 0: Oh, yes. Yes. Sorry. Circling back to
Speaker 1: that. Yeah.
Speaker 0: So, yeah, the most recent Trump assassin wannabe, which barely got any news coverage surprisingly, he was in direct contact with some of these people from both Ukraine and Russia. There's would say
Speaker 1: they were all maniac murder cult people.
Speaker 0: No. So so he was in contact with at least one person from maniac murder cult, but I think he was actually closer to these other various neo Nazi factions in Ukraine. Mhmm. Like, when I say neo Nazi in this sense, I mean it. Like Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, Gates of Battalion.
Speaker 0: Or like the Russian NSWP. Right? Like these guys are just Russian skinheads, like they're crazy. They're very violent and very dangerous. And of course, like you said, I'm sure there's plenty of intelligence ties there because
Speaker 1: it's Yeah.
Speaker 0: They're they're out there assassinating political figures and stuff. And and these people, we don't know exactly which group his the people he was talking to belong to, but his name was Nikita Kassup, and he was 17 years old. He lived in Wisconsin. He murdered his mom and dad, shot them to death at the behest of these people in this chat room.
Speaker 1: Which is exactly what they try to get them to do a lot. Right? Kill their Well,
Speaker 0: yeah. I mean, that is something we've seen, but this is the first one I can think of that like, oh, yeah, he really did it, and, you know, he actually when they when the police finally arrested him, he had video footage from inside the house Mhmm. Where he was basically, they were giving him instructions on dragging his parents' body to the basement, and he was trying to show them I can't, I'm just gonna cover them with a blanket. Really gruesome stuff. He lived with them for ten days.
Speaker 1: When they did. Yeah. And Why did they want them to take them to the basement? Why'd they have to be there?
Speaker 0: I don't know. I think they were just trying to to get him to they they were trying to get this kid to assassinate Trump, but it was stepwise. First, kill your parents Uh-huh. Then steal all of their passports and IDs and their money and all of this, and then steal their car, and then you're gonna go to this this spot and meet with this person, go to this spot and meet with this person, and pick up the drone, pick up this and There's a whole plan there. It would.
They were giving the kid coordinates Wow. Where to meet people, and then they had convinced him that after he assassinated Trump with the FPV drone, that he was going that they were going to fly him to the Ukraine and give him like, you know, like, they're gonna protect him and he was gonna have a new life in Ukraine. We know that that would never happen. That wasn't gonna happen. That kid was just a patsy.
But he was convinced in his mind that these people were gonna fly him to the Ukraine and protect him. Totally brainwashed. Yeah. He also believed that there were going to be 10 other identical attacks on the same day. So in his mind, he was participating in the next nine eleven.
So they had tricked him into believing that he was part of this mastermind conspiracy to overthrow the West and that he was gonna be a hero. So the level of of trickery and deception and manipulation that they they put into these kids' heads is really diabolical. Well,
Speaker 1: that suggests training.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yes. For sure. I mean, people
Speaker 1: have been trained in how to manipulate when they operate at that level.
Speaker 0: I mean, now the CASEP level was really scary high. When I looked into that case, was like, oh, yeah, this is like real scary stuff, you know? Like, because these people are are are well organized enough to be able to get a a drone to a 17 year old
Speaker 1: in The US. Which means there's a funding. Yeah. Absolutely. There's infrastructure, there's a a network of support.
For sure. There's funding, there's training, there's all of those things. In that case, yeah. Why does Ukraine just keeps popping up? Biolabs, bioweapons Ukraine, child trafficking Ukraine, I mean, money laundering Ukraine, you name it.
It's amazing how many roads lead back to Ukraine.
Speaker 0: And I would say like from the MKU standpoint, it seems to be less political and more accelerationist again, like more towards we just want to accelerate the collapse, and I've talked to a couple of these guys, and one of them told me I've talked to these the MKU guys. Which is
Speaker 1: the manic Yeah. One of them told me
Speaker 0: that Maniac murder cult. Yeah. One of them said, because I said, why do you want to accelerate the collapse of The US though? I don't understand. Yeah.
And he said, because if The US collapses, then all the other countries collapse, and our country collapses, and we're ready when our country collapses, we're ready to take over. And so they're trying to accelerate the collapse of The US because they believe that their country will
Speaker 1: fall into oblivion. So what I hear when you describe that is I hear a handler Mhmm. Who has told them that they will take over.
Speaker 0: Because it doesn't make any sense, and I pushed back on him on this. I'll be like, hold on a second. Let's pump the brakes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Well, what about all these break this down.
Speaker 0: Hold on. What about all these other accelerationist groups who are also trying to collapse the West for their own game? Is this gonna be like a thunderdome after the collapse for which fascist regime gets to take over, you know, fight each other? And and they you can tell they haven't thought that far ahead. No.
Their logic breaks down after the collapse.
Speaker 1: No. Because they're centered in their mission Right. And this has become their identity. And also, they can't function, truly function normally outside of that circle anymore. Right.
Mean No. Yeah. No. If you've investigated any cult, any terrorist army, any child army, anything like that, it doesn't matter what what happens, you know, is that you you have to let go of that old identity and embrace the new one. Mhmm.
And transitioning between those two things is not easy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. Especially the younger you are, right, and the and the more vulnerable you are, like one thing that we see a lot with these kind of harmful online groups, including like in sales and other other self harm groups and things like that.
Speaker 1: Talked about in sales. Yeah. We wanna get to that.
Speaker 0: But, you know, we see that these people are fundamentally in a bad place. They're at rock bottom. Maybe they they're just they feel like society's failed them, they're unattractive in the Ensell's case, or maybe you have a community of LGBT teens who who believe that they're they're they're gender confused. They they don't I don't know what gender I am, upset, and no one understands me, and my parents don't understand me. Well, here you go.
Here's an online community where people do understand you, and they love you, and they accept you for who they are, and your parents are are are bigots, and all of your classmates are are are scum, and you should go commit a school shooting.
Speaker 1: Well, this is where you start to see a lot of the the threads and how these things are connected. So on the one hand, yes, you you have a kid like that who's I mean, any kid, you know, we all know going through puberty, you know, middle school's a vulnerable age, right, that's a time. So if they feel less, instead of having to work on themselves, they encourage them to hate the people, you know, instead of saying, look, don't worry about what other people think about you, focus on doing this for yourself and, you know, what do you like about yourself and learning how to like yourself, right? The things that are healthy for you for life.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Here's some life skills. Yes. Like, sure, okay, somebody said something racist to you, or you're gonna collapse every time somebody, you know, or you're a woman and someone said something misogynistic to you, you're gonna collapse and be a victim. Right. They create they create victims who are taught to hate as opposed to, you know, happy healthy functioning people who are taught to understand that that's that person's problem Yeah.
That speaks to their character and their nature, and I'm not gonna let it affect Right. Right? And and here are life skills. It's opposite. Yeah.
You're going to fail. You're going
Speaker 0: to fall down. Nihilism. Right? Society's fault, not yours, and you can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: Yes. Which is totally the victim mentality once again, and strangely enough, echoed in some ways in modern therapy because they teach kids, create this safe space around yourself as if you don't live in the real world.
Speaker 2: Right. No. You can't live in
Speaker 1: a safe space. You're giving a child it's
Speaker 2: the it's really the height of cruelty
Speaker 1: because you're giving a troubled vulnerable person or child a goal that can never ever be achieved, in which case it reinforces this cycle of failure and lack of self worth and everything else. And that just creates larger and larger vulnerable communities, and then they say, well, okay, we're the ones that can help you.
Speaker 0: Right. No one else understands you, and then they isolate you from your support networks, and here you are in a cult.
Speaker 1: Yes, and those support networks, by the way, could be parents. And what have parents become under the last administration, I don't even, you know, wanna make this party specific, but under the last administration, the attorney general, you know, instructed his people to look at his agency, to look at parents as domestic terrorists.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, you can definitely see like a pulling away from parents and like from my perspective, what I've seen is these kids pulling away from parents, isolating themselves in their rooms. Right? The the good news is is that if this is your child, all you have to do is go take that advice and take back control. Back in the seventies, if your kid joined a cult, man, you were in trouble.
You had to go chase them across the country. Right? Kidnap them and stuff. But now they're kidnapped already in your own home. They're literally a slave to this device in their hand, and you have no idea what what's going on in their head because they're they're in this online cult, but they're with you, and it's very very strange.
It's hard for people to wrap their heads around it that they're that this could happen to their kid,
Speaker 1: but this could happen to any kid, any kid. Any kid. And you know, you say it's easier, right? But spoken like someone who is not the mother of a teenager True. Who is in True.
Advanced stage of addiction, because there's a physical biological component to this There is. Online thing, or this endorphin release Mhmm. Where you where kids are actually physically addicted Yes.
Speaker 0: To what what they And will latch out violently to you. Like we saw in the CBC documentary where Epithesate. Yes. Where where the, you know, they they had this victim, this young victim who's describing this horrible ordeal that she went through at the hands of seven six four network. And the mom is I just I couldn't help, like, feeling so bad for the mom be like, oh my god, this is shocking because as a mother of a daughter who's already, she's not a teenager yet, but man, she's she's already kind of trouble.
Right? I can just imagine how crazy that must have been for her to be scared of her own daughter, afraid of the child.
Speaker 1: The mother has to lock herself into her room, she has to lock their pets away Right. Because these people are telling her child to kill her Yeah. And kill their animals. And then, you know what got me was when the mom described being on the other side of the door while her daughter described what she was doing. Wow.
So that's 764. Yeah. Can you tell me what you know about about them? You've said that they're really a pedophile self harm Mhmm. Cult, right Yes.
Network Mhmm. Of groups.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And like I said before, their goal is to corrupt and traumatize kids, they'll find these kids in chat rooms where they're already kind of maybe look doing self harm or eating disorders, and then they will get them into these Discord servers where they basically groom them, and part of the way that they groom them is by sharing with them child sexual abuse material, gore, bestiality, animal torture, and kind of desensitizing them to it. Right? And then they make it seem like a cool thing to to cut cut someone's name into your body as a sign of ownership. And then, you know, as as you heard on the video, it just gets progressively worse and worse and worse until they're trying to get you to kill people, kill your parents, kill your pets.
I've seen kids strangle their cats to death, cut them open, and arrange their guts into satanic imagery and take pictures. I've seen horrible stuff from this this group. I've seen kids cutting to the bone. One I've seen cases where I'm not sure the person was okay afterwards. Right?
And they this is a this is to them, this is the ultimate notoriety in the group is like, look what I got this kid to do for me. I mean, the only way to describe these people is demons. They're demonic. It's the most evil thing that you can imagine. It's horrific.
Speaker 1: Cutting to the bone?
Speaker 0: Yes. I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Where? Which part of the body?
Speaker 0: Arms, mostly.
Speaker 1: I know that girl in that documentary, she described they, you know, they were trying to get they made her cut her own sexual parts, you know. These are the most twisted people. It's like evil isn't even enough. No. Not enough to describe it.
It is demonic.
Speaker 0: When I stumbled upon this for the first time back in January of last year, I was like, I can't believe what I'm seeing. Unfortunately for her, there were no resources for her after the police took her phone, and she just continued to go back into 764 and get abused by more people. Wow. And so then, I found myself trying to be like a virtual mother to her, trying to to to help her, trying to protect her. But ultimately, she did eventually end up being becoming an abuser herself, and I had to witness that.
He was so yes. Unfortunately, it's very sad.
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In the latest episode, I discuss the alarming genocide of Christians in northern Nigeria, where Islamic militants have targeted them in their homes. Judd Saul from Equipping the Persecuted shares insights on the situation, highlighting that 90 percent of targeted Christian killings globally occur in these villages. We explore the U.S. State Department's response, which has downplayed the violence by attributing it to climate change. The conversation covers the humanitarian crisis, the infiltration of churches, and the responsibility to spread awareness and take action.
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NEW EPISODE: Why is the world ignoring a genocide happening on our watch? Christians across northern Nigeria are being murdered in their homes & cleansed from the land by Islamic militants - so many that 90 percent of all targeted Christian killings worldwide for the past five years happen in these isolated villages. Judd Saul, Director of Equipping the Persecuted, is one of the few who has heard their cries. We talked to him about what can be done and why the U.S. State Dept. has run cover for the Islamic militants responsible, blaming “climate change” for mass murder. (00:00) - Intro (09:05) - Genocide in Nigeria (18:38) - Climate Change Lie (29:24) - Crimes Against Nigerian Christians (43:00) - Humanitarian Crisis (52:41) - Infiltration of Churches With Revolutionary Theology (59:22) - Truth Nigeria & Taking Action (01:08:43) - Islamist religious Intolerance (01:14:54) - Christian Responsibility (01:28:17) - Spreading Awareness @TruthNigeria123 @juddsaul @GoingRoguewLara
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Laura Logan interviews Jud Saul about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, where 90% of Christian persecution deaths worldwide occur. Saul's organization, Equipping the Persecuted, provides aid to victims and supports Truth Nigeria, a journalism outlet exposing the atrocities.
According to Saul, attacks are staged from Mahanga, a renamed village, and the Nigerian government fails to acknowledge millions of internally displaced persons (IDPs), hindering aid. The government is complicit, downplaying the violence and blaming it on climate change, a narrative also pushed by the U.S. government. Fulani terrorists, often on motorcycles, massacre Christians, destroy crops, and aim to establish a Muslim caliphate.
Saul highlights the courage of Truth Nigeria journalists who risk their lives to document the genocide, facing threats and government obstruction. He criticizes corrupt Christian leaders and a "pietistic mindset" discouraging political involvement and self-defense. Saul notes Obama's administration supported a Muslim candidate over a Christian president and the Norwegian government is building houses for terrorists in Mahanga. Despite the escalating violence, Saul finds hope in the growing faith of victims and conversions of Muslims to Christianity. He urges intervention to prevent the deaths of millions of Christians.
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Speaker 0: I still can't get over the fact that it would just be very simple for churches all across the world to raise awareness about the fact that there's a genocide of Christians.
Speaker 1: I talked to pastors. I talked to churches all the time about what's going on, and none of them knew. None of them knew what was going on. I'll put it this way. If if we don't intervene in Nigeria, millions and millions and millions of Christians are gonna die.
Speaker 0: Welcome back to Going Rogue with Laura Logan. Our topic today is one that is very close to my heart for two reasons. One, because it's about Africa and Christians and the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, which is something I've been reporting on for years. And two, because the people who have brought the truth about the Christian genocide in Nigeria to the world, the group of journalists who have done this are everything that I've ever aspired to be as a journalist. I have so much respect and regard for them, and I feel like in a moment in the world where journalism appears to be dying and people are so disillusioned, There is a group of journalists in a forgotten corner of the world who are living and breathing what it is to me to be great when you do this job the way it's supposed to be done.
And so and so this is very personal for me in in a number of different ways. And I am really pleased to share with you my guest today, whose name is Jud Saul, who has an organization Equipping the Persecuted that operates now exclusively in Nigeria helping Christians. And Jud is just you know, he's one of those people that you look at him and you you kinda get down on your knees and you say, thank you, God, that there is someone stepping in the gap, somebody who cares enough to do the right thing, and somebody that when these people are crying out in the dark and in in desperation for help, that there's someone who's answering that call. So I can't think of a greater purpose for living or someone that I could admire or respect more. And so, Jud, I just wanna welcome you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. Thank you so Thank
Speaker 0: you for all that you do. This is such an important conversation, and it's one that really shocked me years ago when I discovered what was really happening in Nigeria to the Christians. And I was just astonished that there's nothing I I get that, you know, the world doesn't care about Africa because I was born and raised in Africa and I've been fighting, you know, to get those kind of stories stories that relate to Africa elevating those all my career. But this is about Christians. There are churches all over the world.
There are church leaders. There's, you know, the Vatican. It's and yet, the world is just standing by, letting these people be murdered.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have said it better myself. It's it's an absolute tragedy what is happening to Christians in Nigeria, and I and and I want everybody listening to really get this and understand this statistic. Okay? They say, why Nigeria? Nigeria is responsible for ninety percent of all Christian persecution deaths worldwide in the last five years.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's just incredible.
Speaker 1: And no one hears about it. No one's talking about it. We see a lot of tragedies and issues that happen across the spectrum. We saw what happened in Israel, you know, when Hamas came over and kidnapped and killed all these Israelis, and it got world attention and it's And rightly so. And and rightly so.
Yeah. And still gets world attention and thank God. But the thing is is the same thing is happening to Nigerians on a daily basis and gets no coverage whatsoever.
Speaker 0: And has been happening on a daily basis since 09:11.
Speaker 1: Yes. You know, that's one
Speaker 0: of the things that I learned reporting on this is that that just it was astonishing to me is that on the the very day that nine eleven that the attacks happened in The United States, the same people who were on those planes, and I mean in the sense of they were carrying the same flag and they were saying the same slogans and they were were standing for the same ideology, walked into a village in Northern Nigeria and massacred over 200 Christians. And that that village was called Rankum and it was renamed in the language of the Fulani terrorists, Muslim terrorists who were the ones who went and killed everybody. They took that village and they renamed it Mahunga because it is essentially the command and control center of this genocide.
Speaker 1: Yes. And the and the the interesting part is is that the Nigerian government knows it, The US government should know it, and I if they're paying attention, I hope they know it now, but this is where the majority of terror attacks are staged and launched from. And like I said, everybody in Nigeria knows where it's coming from. They they see the terrorists coming in and out of Mahanga.
Speaker 0: And it's they chose Mahanga, I mean, translated the word means watchtower.
Speaker 1: Watchtower.
Speaker 0: Because it's on high ground. Mhmm. And it was perfectly positioned for them for what began as a a series, it's now more than twenty years of attacks.
Speaker 1: Twenty years of attacks and tens of thousands no. I say hundreds of thousands have now been killed, stayed from that ground
Speaker 0: And wounded and forced out.
Speaker 1: Wounded and and and that's that's killed. Let's over a hundred thousand Christians have been killed. Now let's talk about the people that are still alive. They're now in camps called IDP camps, which stands for internally displaced person, and we estimate that there's between three to 5,000,000 IDPs right now. These are Christians without homes, without villages that are living in camps.
Speaker 0: These are people who've been robbed of everything they had, who've been forced off their land, and and basically are mired in poverty and misery because very often the the Nigerian government won't even acknowledge their existence.
Speaker 1: No. They won't acknowledge their existence, and and this it's a it's a double edged sword. So you have IDP camps. Then when the Nigerian government doesn't recognize an IDP camp within their own country, that means there's no UN, that means there's no Red Cross, that means there's no other NGO official government organization, USAID or what used to be USAID, means those people get zero help. If the Nigerian government doesn't establish and say this is an official camp, And we know that Nigeria government only recognizes 40% of the camps that exist.
So that means 60% of these millions of IDPs get zero help from the outside world.
Speaker 0: It also, you know, it raises the curious question of why does the Nigerian government not acknowledge the existence of these people?
Speaker 1: Main there's a few different reasons. One of the main reasons is the Nigerian government likes to lie to itself, and they also like to pretend that things are better than they actually are. And by doing so, if the Nigerian government says it doesn't exist, well then the rest of the world says it doesn't exist. And that means Nigeria looks better on paper for whatever reason. Mhmm.
And it's it's like a dog and pony show that the Nigerian government likes to play.
Speaker 0: Well, if you don't if you admit to the world that Christians are being systematically and intentionally massacred Yes. On your watch and cleansed from the land as they are being, then you have to do something about it. The world expects you to do something about it.
Speaker 1: Well, then you're supposed to do something about it. So there's the other part of this is that, yes, the Nigerian government is complicit, in the last, you know, eight years with two Muslim presidents in a row where they have turned a blind eye to the killings and have done nothing to stop it.
Speaker 0: Well, when they actually know that killings are gonna happen and they they don't intervene.
Speaker 1: Yes. And that's one of the things. So as part of our organization, we created Truth Nigeria, a outlet for journalists in Nigeria to tell the truth because the Nigerian government doesn't want this information getting out and the main if the Nigerian government doesn't say the story is getting out, they're not reporting it. And so we wanna give an outlet to Truth Nigeria. So part of that project is we've been able to get intelligence and issue terror alerts.
And so in 2024, we issued over 64 terror alerts.
Speaker 0: And you issue a terror alert when what is happening?
Speaker 1: So when we issue a terror alert, the police are notified, military is notified, local government officials are notified, the villages are notified,
Speaker 0: and And they're notified of what?
Speaker 1: That there's an impending attack coming to your area.
Speaker 0: And how do you know
Speaker 1: that? Intelligence.
Speaker 0: From having your ear to the ground.
Speaker 1: From having your ear to the ground. We have our organizations operating in villages all over Nigeria and while people talk, people know things. And we've if we've told people if you hear something, you you hear something, see something Yes. Let us know.
Speaker 0: Okay. So just so people understand, you have your organization equipping the persecuted
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And that does what exactly?
Speaker 1: So equipping the persecuted was formed to be a boots on the ground mission to respond to the attacks of persecuted Christians. So with to the best of our ability and the resources we have, we try to respond to an attack within forty eight hours with food, medicine, aid, anything we can do to help these people that have lost everything they had. And a lot of it, know, because when the villages are are burned and razed to the ground, all the food supply is destroyed. Mhmm. They have they have no sleeping mats, they're just left with the clothes on their backs.
So the first thing they need is food, they need medicine, and then what became a big part of our mission is we now really help the wounded victims that are still surviving. So we pay for the medical costs of the surgeries. We send doctors in to treat the wounded. Wow. To help the kids that have machete wounds, bullet wounds.
Mhmm. We try to patch them up and save as many lives as possible.
Speaker 0: So you have the that on the one side, and then you decided to invest in Truth Nigeria, is an extraordinary journalism site. Anyone who follows me, you probably have seen it on my feed, I put your stories out and your workout because there really isn't I mean, there's a there's a couple of people, a great guy, Tom Garber and he has TG News, but he's worked, you know, with the journalists of Truth Nigeria in the past. These guys are kind of all cut from the same cloth. They live and work in this extraordinarily violent and dangerous area where Christians are being hunted every single day, and yet they go out and they document the massacres and not just the killings, but the actual the sort of the the infrastructure and mechanism of the genocide. Yeah.
Which involves, like you said, killing the food supply, right? So launching an attack right before the crops are about to be harvested.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 0: And destroying everything.
Speaker 1: Right. So they so they do so it's one of the tactics that they use for terror is they'll wait till the farmers plant the crops, grow the crops, and right before harvest, they'll come in, kill the village, they'll destroy all the crops. I mean, it's it's a form of terror that is demoralizing because
Speaker 0: they because you've got nothing left.
Speaker 1: Because they have nothing left. And they worked all hard worked hard all year long to raise these crops, and now they're completely destroyed.
Speaker 0: Well, that's the thing that people don't realize. Right? In America, you can just go
Speaker 1: to the store, get whatever you
Speaker 0: want all year round. Over there, these people where they live, there is nothing. There is no industry or anything. These the crops are how they survive. They sell that crop once a year, and they live off that money for the rest the
Speaker 1: money for the rest of the year. So if you don't mind me going into this for a second, let's let's talk about what real poverty looks like. Okay? A lot of Americans and Westerners have a very very perverted view of what poverty is, and Nigeria poverty means if you if you have a good job in Nigeria, you make a hundred dollars a month. That's a good job in Nigeria.
One Hundred Dollars a month. That means you're successful. A hundred dollars a month. Now imagine all that being taken away from you. You don't have television, you don't have power, they don't have running water, but making a hundred dollars a month means you're providing really good for your family, and all that's gone.
Now you have nothing left. That is the terror that these Muslim terrorists are inflicting on Nigerian Christians.
Speaker 0: And also the terror of being asleep in your bed at night Yeah. And hearing the motorbikes because these terrorists, they like to come in on motorbikes, and and then they just massacre everything that that moves.
Speaker 1: Anything that moves and the people that get killed most of the time are the ones that can't run fast enough, and that's the children and the elderly.
Speaker 0: The pregnant moms?
Speaker 1: The pregnant moms, the children, the elderly. And that is that's one of the most heartbreaking things that I see is is what kind of animal will will would hack up a little child
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: To death with a machete. Why? Why? Why would you even do that? Why would you shoot a mother who's pregnant?
Why would you burn an elderly person alive? This is the kind of stuff we are dealing with every week in Nigeria, and it's silent.
Speaker 0: I know when I was reporting on this a few years ago, there was over, you know, around a hundred thousand people already killed in this genocide, Christians.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And then and and now it's much more than that. And and all the journalists I talked to in your interest in Nigeria, they all say it's the numbers are going up. It's escalating.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's escalating. It's escalating more and more, and it's being downplayed more and more even by the Nigerian government. There there's so many if it weren't for Truth Nigeria, you wouldn't hear about 90% of the attacks.
Speaker 0: 100%.
Speaker 1: If there weren't for Truth Nigeria, wouldn't hear about it. And let me tell you one of the reasons I started Truth Nigeria is is just because my background in being a filmmaker, being a person who has a quest for truth. I I ran into our journalists like Masara.
Speaker 0: Masara Kim.
Speaker 1: Masara Kim, like Lauren Songo and Mike Ode, and I saw guys who don't care. They're willing to risk it all. They're willing to risk their lives Yes. To bring people the truth. That's the kind of people we have at Truth Nigeria.
They're willing to lay it on the line. I'm like, if they're willing to lay it on the line, I'm willing to support you. I'm willing to support these efforts to get the truth out. And why? Because at the end of day, they're willing to risk their lives to save their country and to save their fellow Christians.
Speaker 0: You know, the first time I interviewed miss Kim, one of the things he said to me that I never forgot was I said, miss Sarah, you know, you're right there living in these villages, in this right in this area where they're killing Christians and you're exposing it. Yeah. I said, you you you know, aren't you worried you're going to be killed? And he said he said, oh, mom, he said, I am very lucky. Most of my friends are dead.
And he said, I have already lived longer than the rest of them. He was just basically telling me he was on borrowed time. And Lawrence Zongo told me, it's not a question of if, it's when.
Speaker 1: It's when.
Speaker 0: So it's not just about being brave, it's it's really continuing to do the right thing and expose this all in a situation where you you fully accept that what you're doing will result in your death at some point.
Speaker 1: Right. And they're and they're willing. They're willing to risk their lives to
Speaker 0: do it anyway.
Speaker 1: To do it anyway. And they're men after my own heart. And I said, anything we can do to help, anything we can get do to get the word out to let people know what's going on, and historically, we're we're documenting history.
Speaker 0: You are documenting history. Very, very true because really the world would have no idea, and that's in part because the media in Nigeria is pretty much like the media here in The US. They they sit in the capital cities like in Abuja Mhmm. And they parrot the government narrative, and they don't go out and witness the killings. They're not in the villages.
They have no idea what's going on, but they write with absolute confidence that it's fake news and conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Look, let me walk you through how Nigeria news operates.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the most silly things I've I've ever seen and it's it's laughable, but it's also super depressing at the same time. So in order to get a story out of Nigeria and get it in Nigerian news, a government official has to call a press conference. And when the government official calls a press conference, that means the journalist can then show up because all the journalists are getting money from the government to cover the stories. So if said government official doesn't hold a press conference, the story never happened, the incident never it doesn't exist.
Speaker 0: It's incredible. And you know, I have to say this because this will really, I think, help people understand what we're dealing with here. For years, the narrative of the Nigerian government has been parroted by the US government, and they have literally blamed the killings on climate change.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 0: I know it sounds incredible, climate change. And the reason they say that is because the people carrying out these attacks, the Fulani, who are mostly members of the Fulani tribe, which is a nomadic Islamic tribe. They say they're being forced to migrate because of climate change and as they're moving south because the North Of Nigeria obviously is Muslim and the South is Christian predominantly, and so as they're moving south from the North of the country, they're going into these Christian areas and that's where these clashes are happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So let me let me explain this real fast for for the average I
Speaker 0: have to you just have to take a moment and think about the absolute devastation and the goal of the United States Embassy, successive ambassadors to literally pass this off as climate change. I don't think that there's a hell miserable enough for people like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're they're going to be suffering eternal judgment for what they've done here on earth and their complicity and and willful ignorance. Let me explain how this works as far as the farmer herder clash and then climate change, whatever you wanna call it. I can assure you that when the Fulani ethnic militia, the Muslim terrorists, go into Christian villages, they're not coming in with cattle. They're coming in on motorcycles with a k 40 sevens and killing everything that moves, and then destroying and razing the entire village.
Speaker 0: And yelling
Speaker 1: Allahu Akbar while doing And has nothing to with climate change. These are nomadic herders that have a 500 old view of cattle farming, which in which just takes cattle and roams them wherever they want to roam them regardless of whose property or land they're on. They have no idea what a ranch is. They have no idea what modern farming is or what modern cattle raising is, but the fact is is they don't care. It's not about this thing.
It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with they are systematically taking over Nigeria and they want to make Nigeria into a Muslim caliphate. Okay.
Speaker 0: And it was so Well, if you go back historically, people don't realize that the the capital of the Muslim north of Nigeria, Sokoto, was actually the capital of the first caliphate outside, right when the when Usman bin Fodio, the first caliph established the caliphate, so that was one of the earliest jihads.
Speaker 1: Right. It was one the earliest jihads, but then the rest of the tribes people in Nigeria and the tribes that said, hey, we don't want this Yeah. Defeated them and shoved them back up north. Yeah. And then Nigeria was majority Christian.
Speaker 0: Yes. And for a long time. There were African religions. Yeah. But you know, the British obviously came and and brought Christianity.
Speaker 1: But it but but when they brought Christianity, Nigeria was 70% Christian.
Speaker 0: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Now, it's fifty fifty. It's 50% Muslim, fifty % Christian.
Speaker 0: Because they've been killing
Speaker 1: Because they have been going back to their systematic jihad. Now, look, Islam has conquered every civilization it's touched since June through three methods of jihad. One, cultural jihad. We'll move in, we'll blend in with the population as we're a minority, then they start gaining a population, having lots of kids, then once they get a population, they start they do political jihad. Alright?
And cultural. Then cultural jihad. Then after political jihad, once they have the political cover to do the violence, they go into violent jihad and take over territory, and that is how they have systematically taken over all of Northern Africa.
Speaker 0: Well, and what's particularly interesting when you dig a little deeper is that the Fulani tribe doesn't just exist in Nigeria. They're in Sierra Leone and Senegal and right across the the border. Right? I mean, throughout the center and East of Africa
Speaker 1: And and for and West. And for some magical reason, every country they touch turns into war.
Speaker 0: Yes. And when you
Speaker 1: Turns into genocide and turns into war. Every country that they touch ends up turning into genocide and war.
Speaker 0: So in many ways, it's a power grab for the Fulani under the black flag of Al Qaeda and Islamic Jihad and
Speaker 1: And and and the
Speaker 0: authority of God. Right?
Speaker 1: Under the authority of God.
Speaker 0: And The US helps them.
Speaker 1: The US helps them
Speaker 0: and By by by blaming it on climate change.
Speaker 1: By blaming it on climate change or turning a blind eye Yeah. To doing it and Putting
Speaker 0: a band aid on, you know, a little bit of the humanitarian needs, but not fundamentally changing anything.
Speaker 1: And and say they're helping. So I wanna go back to Mahanga. I'm gonna tell you something you probably don't know. But in Mahanga, right, that place where they're launching attacks from
Speaker 0: That village.
Speaker 1: The Norwegians have just been building new houses for terrorists.
Speaker 0: Wow. The Norwegian refugee council?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nor yeah. The Norwegian government has been building new houses and for people in Mahanga.
Speaker 0: You cannot make it No.
Speaker 1: They're building new terror they're building terrorists new houses in Mahanga as we speak.
Speaker 0: The same village where not a single Christian has been allowed to set foot
Speaker 1: If you go near
Speaker 0: since that first massacre. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you go near it, you get killed.
Speaker 0: Yes. I mean, I know because when when I was reporting on this story, doing this documentary film for Fox Nation, one of the things, Missara Kim, I asked him if he could go back to Mahenga because we talked a lot about that and its importance in the origin of the genocide and he was like, I can't get into the village because no Christian will just be murdered. But what we agreed on is that he would get as close as he could and he would launch a drone cause I wanted to show people that, you know, how it was geographically positioned to be the command and control and we did that. You know, one of the ways I began to understand that there was an organization, you know, where you see these images of the bodies everywhere and people screaming and, you know, babies that have been killed and awful videos that I've seen of, you know, young pregnant Nigerian girl, Christian girl being beheaded while they cut her baby out at the same time. I mean, I've seen unbelievable things out of there.
And and when you realize it's not chaotic, actually, it looks chaotic. It's designed to look chaotic. But when you are removing the food supply, not just for a month or a few months, but for the the annual food supply, when you're taking away people's ability to stay on the land Right. When you're burning down not just their crops but their homes, and then you don't allow them to come back, and you're you're in trying to instill terror in them because let's not forget Nigeria doesn't have the second amendment. So most of these people, the vast majority for twenty plus years have been unarmed and many of them asleep.
Right?
Speaker 1: Well, Nigeria doesn't have a second amendment. They have no second amendment. Citizens are not allowed to protect themselves. And so when Christian Nigerian Christians try to protect themselves a lot of the time, the Nigerian government goes and disarms them, and a week later, they get killed by these Fulani Muslim terrorists with AK 40 sevens and and what what the Nigerians refer to refer to a sophisticated weapons, military grade weapons, 50 caliber machine guns. So for some reason, Nigeria doesn't have a second amendment, but the terrorists can run around with military grade weapons with no restriction whatsoever.
But the minute Nigerians wanna protect their own villages, protect their farms, they get disarmed by the Nigerian government.
Speaker 0: Oh, they call them vigilantes. Right? And they say it's illegal.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. So vigilantes can exist in certain areas. So certain state governments allow vigilantes to exist and to oversee and watch their villages, but they get no help, they get no support from the government, they get disarmed quite a bit by Nigerian officials, and then they're they're left for dead. And it's this is what we're dealing with. So as part of our ministry with equipping the persecuted, one of the things we do is we come alongside those village security teams, and we do give them training.
We give them communications. We give them bulletproof vests. Anything that we can do within a legal basis to help them as much as we can is what we do.
Speaker 0: And according to some of the Nigerians that I've spoken to, you know, they reckon that you've helped about 400,000 persecuted Christians. Does that sound right? Yes. That's pretty amazing. In how much time?
Speaker 1: Since 2020, so about four and a half years.
Speaker 0: Wow. It kind of draws you in, doesn't it? Once you start to, you know, of course, anyone can hear, oh, there's a genocide and they can think, oh, that's terrible. But once you start to understand what's really happening in Nigeria Yeah. You realize that this is part of a a much bigger war.
This is sort of a microcosm of something that's that's taking place in different ways to different degrees all across the world.
Speaker 1: It's and and it and it's all the same thing. It's Islam versus everything else it doesn't like. And what we're seeing in Nigeria though is a real life jihad taking place right in front of us. It's playing out right before our eyes. It it's not happening so much in other in other countries or although we're starting to see it in in places like Congo, Burkina Faso, these other smaller African countries up north that are now full on Muslim military dictatorships.
And the same thing is about to happen in Nigeria unless we put a stop to it. Now what separates equipping the persecuted from other organizations and NGOs is I have the lofty goal of stopping the persecution. I start from a winning premise. I don't wanna just come in and put a Band Aid on a situation. I actually wanna stop the persecution any way possible.
Speaker 0: What do you mean? When you say any way possible, that sounds ominous, but do you mean it to be ominous?
Speaker 1: On the ground, political, spreading the gospel, getting involved in any way we can to stop the persecution?
Speaker 0: Well, you know, here's something that I think most Americans probably don't realize, and it's something that really shocked me when I found out, is that, as you know, the last Christian president of Nigeria was Jonathan.
Speaker 1: Good luck, Jonathan.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Good luck, Jonathan. It's such a fabulous name. Right? Good luck, Jonathan.
And I remember he was ruling Nigeria when Obama was in in office. You know, Obama didn't like Nigeria's stance on homosexuals and Christians. Well, I I I'm saying Christians, but Yeah. You know, that was an issue for him with Uganda. And with Nigeria, there you have the most populated nation in Africa, some of the most important trade routes for the world.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And yet, the first black president of The United States didn't make it to visit Nigeria, which was one thing. So in his second term, he sends John Kerry, who was then Secretary of State. Yep. And where does John Kerry go? Not to the capital, the Christian capital in the South, not to Abuja.
Speaker 1: He goes up north.
Speaker 0: To Sokoto.
Speaker 1: Meets the sultan of Sokoto.
Speaker 0: To the historic Islamic head of the caliphate. Yep. To go and by the way, the election campaign was happening, and at the time, Jonathan Good luck was running against Muhammad Buhari, who was the the Muslim candidate who had been in the military, who had been responsible for a coup previously, so not known to be the greatest democrat.
Speaker 1: Oh, he he was a terrorist. Yeah. Buhari was a terrorist. And did you did you know that Obama sent democrat campaign operatives to help Buhari beat Jonathan?
Speaker 0: David Axelrod.
Speaker 1: Yeah. David Axelrod Helped manage his campaign. To Nigeria to help the guy that was responsible for terrorism and was on the side of killing Christians. The democrats sent one of their biggest campaign guys down to Nigeria to help defeat a Christian candidate.
Speaker 0: Which sent a message to the country of Nigeria that The United States backed Mohammed Bahari and not good luck Jonathan.
Speaker 1: Correct. And and it was devastating. And ironically, so let's look at just look at the big picture. I'm sorry. Let's look at the big picture here.
While Obama's helping Buhari get elected, we also saw the Arab Spring happen.
Speaker 0: The
Speaker 1: Arab Spring all across the Middle East where all these dictators were, you know, removed, destabilized, which essentially then created ISIS and created the full radical Islamization of all these Middle Eastern countries. And at the same time, he's helping the radical Muslims in Nigeria take over Nigeria. Well, this is this is starting to
Speaker 0: sort of emerge as a consistent pattern
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: With with Obama more and more. I mean, I didn't, you know, I I didn't see that for many years. In the beginning, I was in Cairo when he made his speech to the Muslim world, and I I feel like such an idiot now, you know, because I really didn't understand what he was doing. I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's he systematically he didn't fundamentally change The US. He fundamentally helped change the world for the worse. And how many people have been massacred and killed because of that radical Islamist push and backing that Obama did.
Speaker 0: Well, over a hundred thousand Christians in Nigeria alone.
Speaker 1: In Nigeria alone. Now how many Christians dead in Syria? How many Christians dead in Egypt? How many Christians dead in Iraq?
Speaker 0: Well, you know, you can create there's a direct correlation with Nigeria that is just astonishing. The fact that David Axelrod, you know, a well known American political operative, is working on the campaign of an Islamic candidate, is running against a Christian president. I mean, you just can't make that up.
Speaker 1: No. You can't make it up and and it did happen. It did happen, folks. I'm gonna look at the camera. It did happen.
I did it.
Speaker 0: So when you when you look at that and then you put that together with the fact that The US is still trying to blame this on climate change, and then you look at what Obama did, you know, to make it harder for Nigerian Christians to come as refugees to claim asylum in The US. Yeah. Trump went some way to addressing those issues, then Obama I mean, then Biden sent it sent it back, you know, turned back the clock, and now Trump is looking at addressing it again. But you have to wonder if the the office of faith that Trump has created and then the doesn't he have an office now in the DOJ to investigate the persecution of
Speaker 1: Christians? Persecution of Christians, yes. We have been actively working trying to contact people in the State Department, people in the new administration to advocate on behalf of Nigeria. Right now, she's kind of at the bottom of the list with all the other stuff that they're going on, the cutting, the gutting that's happening. But we as equipping the persecuted are actively contacting politicians and people in State Department to say, hey, something needs to be done about Nigeria, and it needs to be done now.
And it has to go farther than the big push of designated Nigeria as a country of particular concern.
Speaker 0: Well, yeah, I mean, this is this is the opportunity, right, for the State Department to to raise their hand and say, okay, we're not gonna, you know, we're not gonna stand by any longer.
Speaker 1: Right. We're not gonna stand by any longer and I advocate for a very strong foreign policy in regards to Nigeria predicated on the safety and the protection of Christians in Nigeria.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, let me ask you this, because one of the things that I just don't understand is why there are so few Christian leaders, whether they be church leaders, you know, or the Vatican or anybody else, that seems to care about a genocide that is literally happening on their watch?
Speaker 1: Well, let me go into some of that if you wouldn't mind. In Nigeria, there's a very corrupt Christian class, and the Christian leaders in Nigeria are extremely corrupt, and they're actually paid by the government to toe government talking points, and to toe the line, and to say the government talking points. So when Christian leaders in The US say, oh, we want to talk to Christian leaders in Nigeria, they're getting paid to look the other way and say, oh no no, it's not that bad here. And I can point to several examples of that happening and I can also point to key people in major religious organizations, And I spoke to a gentleman who's very high up in Catholic organization just it was about two months ago, very high up in the Catholic organization, getting responsible for millions of dollars to help Christian efforts. And this guy is touted at he goes to Nigeria all the time, goes Nigeria and helps helps out people in Nigeria all the time, and I had a chance to sit face to face with him at a lunch.
And I said, sir, I said, I've been to Benue state. Benue state is 90% Catholic, one of the most Catholic regions in Nigeria. Now he's mister Catholic guy. And I said, I've been to Benue. I've been to the IDP camps.
I have people on the ground in Benue. And I said, you said you've gone to Nigeria a million times and done all this stuff. And I said, in regards to Benue, I looked at him. I said, where are you? Because I see no fruit of your efforts anywhere.
And he proceeded to tell me that Christians weren't being persecuted in Benue, that it was just tribal clashes. Seriously? Dead serious. And I found out later that he was also getting some money from USAID.
Speaker 0: And who was this person?
Speaker 1: I can't say right now. I can't say right now. But I was very, very, very, very upset, and I wanted to reach across the table and punch him.
Speaker 0: I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: But this is indicative of the what's going on with some of these large organizations that claim to be Christian. If they had their hands in government money, they're also not allowed to say Muslims are killing Christians in Nigeria. Well Because they're on the take.
Speaker 0: That is that is a disappointing story that seems to be all over the world.
Speaker 1: And but so you wanna know why people aren't talking about it? Because it is still even in many Christian circles, even so called conservative Christian circles, it is politically incorrect to say that Muslims are killing Christians in Nigeria.
Speaker 0: Yes. I can see that.
Speaker 1: But even the even Christian leaders in America are protecting and somehow wanting to keep that politically correct line.
Speaker 0: Well, if people care about the truth, and I I really do mean this, I'm not saying this to sort of elevate you or to flatter you, but if they want the truth, they should all follow Truth Nigeria.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Go to truthNigeria.com. That's why we exist.
Speaker 0: I mean, it's no frills there. It's the I mean, you're not embellishing or adding. You don't need to because the truth is so horrific.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and but and we actually say who who's killing who?
Speaker 0: Yes. So you have the the formidable Doug Burton who is podcast with Nigeria who's
Speaker 1: a Yes.
Speaker 0: Wonderful journalist, who many years ago went to a talk at the National Press Club about Nigeria and got involved like that and Mhmm. You know, like me and probably like you, right, he just once he found the truth about what was happening there
Speaker 1: You can't you can't look the other way. And and the thing I love about Doug Burton is is that his passion and wanting and wanting to get involved, and he's I mean, he's even risked, you know, career opportunities because he focused on Nigeria and made other publications mad because he kept on bugging them about why aren't you printing stuff about Nigeria.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He's been relentless. He's also, you know, he's a great old school journalist slash editor.
Speaker 1: You know? Traditional, and I love it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Really traditional, and he's and he's a good mentor for these guys who are who before Doug kind of brought them all together, they were just alone in misery.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they were they're all alone and they they there was no camaraderie, and one of the things I love about Doug, and I just want to give props to him is that he has a passion for teaching young people journalism
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And want to elevate journalists in their careers. And he's been a mentor for everybody at Truth Nigeria just on professionalism, how to report, and he's he's been working alongside them so well. And they all call him uncle Doug. All the all the others say, they they call him uncle Doug and they love him to death, and I was happy to, you know, create Truth Nigeria, which just it helped everybody.
Speaker 0: Well, I think And what we wanted to do, it's just it's just been It was a lifesaver. You say it helped everybody, but the truth is it saved their lives. It saved their lives because every one of them was sort of, you know, on their own.
Speaker 1: On their own.
Speaker 0: Doug's resources were very limited. I remember when Lawrence was, you know, working I mean, all of them, they live on less than a dollar a day.
Speaker 1: A day.
Speaker 0: You know? And and I remember Masara Kim's the first story he ever did, what she recorded on his cell phone was a church when all the people inside were burned. I think it was 27, 20 eight people, you know, men, women, children, and he he filmed that on his cell phone and he posted it to Facebook. And they all had sort of ancient cell phones and
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Very little technology, very little ability to operate Mhmm. And no resources. And, you know, Doug brought them together. I don't remember what the organization was called before.
Speaker 1: Rural watch.
Speaker 0: That's right. Rural Watch. Mhmm. And and so it was it was Luca Binajat, Massara Kim, Lawrence Zongo. I know I'm I'm missing a couple of others.
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There was Masara Kim and Lawrence Zongo, Luca Binajat. I think Tom Garber was with them for a while before he went on his own, and and that kind of brought them together. I the first time I interviewed Massar, do you know that he had to go next door and borrow fuel for the generator just to have the power, you know, to be on the phone?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's It might have
Speaker 0: been Lawrence that did that all.
Speaker 1: Well, people have to understand that. I mean, it's like these guys don't have power. No. You know, they they don't have power. A lot of them don't have running water.
Yeah. And so they're using outdated laptops Yes. Very awful cell phones to Mhmm. To put together these stories. And then when we created Truth Nigeria, it's like, okay, let's let's get them a little equipment.
Let's do a little bit of upgrade here. Let's get some laptops out to these guys. And in certain instances, I don't wanna give away specific areas, but there's an there's a couple areas they can go to where they can have access to Starlink. So they've access to Internet to be able to upload things and be able to do things they have. So we provided Starlink for them.
Speaker 0: Wow. That would have been incredible.
Speaker 1: So that's been that's been a huge help to them.
Speaker 0: I mean, I just know so many times over the years now where, you know, one time I spoke to Lawrence and he was in the back of a van and he was just he was sit surrounded by corpses taking people to the morgue and, you know, another time, well, eight of his in laws just got massacred.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just just just in the last two weeks.
Speaker 0: In a Sunday massacre, another bloody Sunday
Speaker 1: in Palm massacre.
Speaker 0: I mean, and and they are the level of brutality of these people when they go into a place is staggering.
Speaker 1: And they think they're doing it for God. They think they're doing it for Allah. They think they're doing a good thing when they do it, but they're murdering and massacring little children, the elderly, and anything that moves. And and it's and it's not humane. It's not a humane killing.
They torture and kill.
Speaker 0: Yes. Well, actually, let's talk about that because one of the truth Nigeria Journalists, Mike Oday James, he just did an interview with CBN, Christian Broadcasting Network, that was got a little bit of attention. And one of the things that he talked about was interviewing these people who are kidnapped. Yeah. And who are held in in a there's a bunch of camps.
Right? Tooth Night, Jerry has done a lot of reporting on this. They're held in a series of camps in the forest.
Speaker 1: In the forest, in the Regina area in be like Kaduna, between Kaduna and Plateau, kind of on the border in those areas. We know of three camps that are housing over 600 to a thousand Christians right now that that are kidnapped, that are being tortured daily in these camps. And when I mean tortured daily, they get beat when they defecate. They have to go to the bathroom. While they go to the bathroom, they get whipped.
They get caned. They're they're being starved and tortured to death. And if if ransom isn't paid up, they'll start they'll execute little brothers and sisters in front of siblings and video it and try to get that to raise money so they living one the living relatives can get ransomed out of the camps. And this has been a thing with us as equipping the persecuted is we are now getting calls when people get out of these camps, whether they escape or they're ransomed out because they come out looking like holocaust survivors.
Speaker 0: I've seen it.
Speaker 1: They're so malnourished. They have all these diseases and all this all this awful things going on with they can hardly walk. And so we've come to when they come out, we've come to their aid and get the medic medical care, nurse them back to health, get them spiritual health, I mean, over them
Speaker 0: Shit.
Speaker 1: And try to get them back into a livable type situation. In fact, there were two girls that just came out of the camp that Mike interviewed, and, you know, they missed school. They they're they're trying to figure out a way to survive, and so we're coming alongside, we're taking two girls that came out of there that are, you know, 20 and 18, and we're putting them in school or paying for their school fees to make sure they get out and we're enrolling them, one of them into a nursing college because that's what she wanted to do.
Speaker 0: That you are doing God's work.
Speaker 1: And that's well, these are real people. Alright? We can talk about statistics, we can talk about numbers, but these are sisters, these are mothers, these are children, these are grandchildren, these are real people.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I remember, I think it was Lauren sent me footage of one of these sort of reunions where a bunch of kids had been kidnapped from a school, which is consistent. I'm sure everybody remembers the Chabot school girls.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: That was just in the early days. It's continued over and over and over again. And they'll take them in in a group and then those who can pay ransom, right, or they'll the parents will pay a ransom, collect and pay a ransom. They don't even know who's coming out. They don't even know who they're gonna release.
Yeah. Like, they go there waiting to see if their loved ones will appear, and so many of them couldn't walk. I mean, it was it was hard to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they they they feed them once every maybe once every two weeks. Two weeks. They they give them no care, and they beat them and torture them on a regular basis.
Speaker 0: And if they're when they figure out if the family's really poor and they they can't scramble money from from anywhere, they just execute the family.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They'll they'll execute the family. They'll execute the kids in front of them. One one girl that I talked to witnessed witnessed 20 people killed in front of her eyes.
Speaker 0: Good lord.
Speaker 1: Including her sister.
Speaker 0: Well, here's another one that will make people upset and should make them upset is when the Chabot School Girls happened, remember Michelle Obama stood out there with a, you know, bring back our girls.
Speaker 1: Bring back our girls. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Hashtag bring back our So I've spoken now to a number of different people in intelligence, and The US had located that group of girls within hours to a facility not very far from where they were kidnapped.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And had the ability, had the men standing by. I mean, there is Afrikaans we have a lot of resources and people were standing by and they were raising their hands, they were saying, okay, we know where they are, let's get them. And Obama said no.
Speaker 1: I know. Dog and pony show. Obama doesn't care about Christians. He doesn't care about the plight of innocent Christians. He's helped governments execute hundreds of thousands of Christians through his policy, and he knows what he's doing.
He knew what he did.
Speaker 0: Just makes you sick to your stomach. Makes me sick to my stomach anyway.
Speaker 1: Oh, but oh, yay. Oh, yay. We elected Obama, you know, transformation in the country. Yeah. Yeah.
People had no idea what they were voting for.
Speaker 0: No. They really didn't. But they were deceived.
Speaker 1: It's because they didn't do the digging and the media did us a very disservice by not digging into who he actually was.
Speaker 0: Those were the days when you still believed that, you know, journalists did their jobs and elected officials actually meant what they said, at least some of the time.
Speaker 1: Not for me. I was always a skeptic, but that's but no, it's this is what we're dealing with. We're dealing with the aftermath of this, and people really need to take a hard look in the mirror and and really look at not what they say, but what they do when it comes to politicians, when it comes to people. It's not what they say, it's what do they do, and then look at their underlying philosophy of life and where it comes from. And that's the biggest mistake that the media in The United States does.
That's the biggest mistake that people when they're voting for a politician, they listen to what they say, they don't pay attention to who they are, what they do, and what their fundamental belief system is.
Speaker 0: No. And with Nigeria, you know, extensively, we are still a Christian country.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
Speaker 0: So you would think that there is a duty to stand for other Christians.
Speaker 1: There's a duty to stand for other Christians. There's a duty for Nigerian Christians to stand for other Christians. Mhmm. Now, I wanna go into this from a ministry standpoint. So we're, you know, we are a ministry.
We're equipping the persecuted. We are unapologetically Christian, and we do share the gospel, which doesn't get us a lot of Christmas cards from other NGOs. But one of the things that we found in Nigeria, and it's the same problem here in The United States, is that there is a what I call the heresy of pietism. A pietistic mindset in Nigeria where they felt that it was sinful to get involved in politics, and that it was sinful to defend yourself. It's sinful to stand up and protect your family, it's it's we call it pietism, it's a very it's a very error in Christian teaching that says Christians should stay out of politics and government affairs.
Speaker 0: I would argue that that's got nothing to do with Christian teaching, and that is Marxist globalist teaching.
Speaker 1: Well
Speaker 0: And that it's not just in Nigeria, it's all over the world. Why do you think Steve Maxwell founded the Remnant Alliance? Because
Speaker 1: But well, I'll kick back on that. I know where pietism was invented. Where? It was invented before Marxism.
Speaker 0: Yes, was. You're right.
Speaker 1: Pietism was invented by the Lutherans. Actually And the German king with frog and spinner, because the German king got tired of Christians bugging him, telling him what to do, so he paid with German money, government money to fund an ideology called pietism, which encouraged Christians to get out of politics.
Speaker 0: I will add to that. It actually began with an organization that was founded a few months after The United States was founded as a country. In Bavaria,
Speaker 1: the
Speaker 0: leader of Bavaria at the time, Weishof Yep. Established the Illuminati. And the Illumins who monitored and tracked the the movement of of pilgrims coming to The United States to set up this country and didn't take it very seriously were shocked when the British Empire was defeated. Yes. And so they studied how did this happen because now they've been blindsided.
So they organized, they formally organized, the Illuminati was tasked with infiltrating the Masons because they were the Masons were the most powerful secret society at that time. Mhmm. And they were tasked with studying exact figuring out exactly how they lost such important strategic ground and such a big battle.
Speaker 1: This is true. Yes.
Speaker 0: And what did they find? They found, they read in the letters of the 13 colonies that it was organized in the congregations of the churches. Yes. So that is when they then began for the next hundred years to try to infiltrate the congregations. And it didn't achieve what they wanted, so they then went at the turn of the century for the seminaries.
Speaker 1: Yes. And
Speaker 0: And revolutionary theology Right. Was born Yep. By out of the Catholics, but implemented by the Lutherans.
Speaker 1: Implemented by the Lutherans and pushed forward by the Catholics, and there was a deliberate so it's not it's not just to render Christians neutral on the right side, it's to eventually turn Christians to the left. They've embraced a false gospel, which has replaced the Lord and salvation in Jesus Christ with social justice. Well, you take out Jesus Christ and Lord from the mix of a church, what's going to happen? Boom. Oh, sorry.
Boom. It's going to blow up. Yeah. And so but we're seeing the same effect in Nigeria with Nigerian Christians.
Speaker 0: Which is very interesting because what what you what you then see coming out of that is this idea that the churches have to separate themselves from politics. Right. But then politics is invested into every part of life. Right. So it basically means you're creating these little little bubbles.
Do you know I actually interviewed pastors? One of them told me that for his first thirteen years as a pastor, he was a secular humanist. He literally That's
Speaker 1: surprised me.
Speaker 0: You how can you be a pastor and the word secular be anywhere near you? You mean you don't even believe in God. And then other pastors told me about pagan rituals inside the ceremonies, seminaries, taking place inside the seminaries. Yeah. So that's this is why the Remnant Alliance was born which which works with pastors to, you know, to show them how they have, you know, this doctrine doesn't come from God, it doesn't it's not in the Bible, it comes from revolutionary theology, which is a tactic to subvert God and the faith.
Speaker 1: Yes. And and it is it is permeated everywhere. And so as an organization in Nigeria, we work with pastors and we teach them that it's okay to get involved in politics from a biblical We teach them that it's okay to defend yourselves from a biblical standpoint. Mhmm. And we've had pastors come up and just hug us crying in tears saying, we knew something was wrong with this teaching.
We just couldn't figure it out. Thank you for helping us.
Speaker 0: Wow.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the other ways that we stop the persecution in Nigeria, is we correct the bad theology.
Speaker 0: You know, I do want to acknowledge Bishop Wilfred, let me make sure I say his, Anagbe?
Speaker 1: Anagbe. Yes.
Speaker 0: Yes. Bishop because he's been so brave.
Speaker 1: Yes. Bishop Anagbe is a wonderful man, and he's he's do he's really doing the Lord's work.
Speaker 0: He's speaking up. He's a Nigerian pastor.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they and and his counterparts
Speaker 0: Nigerian bishops.
Speaker 1: Nice Nigerian bishop. But his counterparts are angry at him and and tell him to shut up.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Because you they don't want the truth.
Speaker 1: And there's then there's another bishop I'd like to acknowledge, Bishop Dugu, who's also doing the Lord's work. There are
Speaker 0: Yes. Now he's from the North. Right?
Speaker 1: He's from No. No. He's from Benue.
Speaker 0: He's from Benue. There's another one from the North. Let me see what's his Bishop
Speaker 1: Bishop Kuka. So there are there are Catholic priests that are speaking out
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: But they are doing it against the orders of their counterparts because, like
Speaker 0: And the organization.
Speaker 1: In the organization, there's a lot of corruption in there. And the same thing with with all the other denominations.
Speaker 0: And they're being threatened.
Speaker 1: They're being threatened.
Speaker 0: Right. It'd be miracle if they There's,
Speaker 1: you know, there's called the equa denomination, there's Baptists, there's different Pentecostal denominations, and there are pastors in all these denominations that are starting to speak out, but the larger organizations are trying to tell them to be quiet, you're just going to make things messy for us.
Speaker 0: And and let's reflect for a moment on what they're quiet about. I mean, can you paint a picture for people at this genocide, what is happening? It began, you know, with the takeover of Rankun Rankun Koom, which became was renamed Mahunga, and and that operates as the kind of command and control center.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And then what happened?
Speaker 1: And then what happened is they have systematically destroyed well over three to 400 small communities that are all now Muslim.
Speaker 0: So the Christians, they go in there often on motorbikes, often high. Right? I've seen
Speaker 1: Oh, they yeah. The the Falani terrorists. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They just they kill everything.
Speaker 1: They kill everything they can. They they use up all bullets, and if they run out bullets, they use machetes, and they go kill as many as they can. And then remember, so it could be a small amount, 50 dead, hundred dead. Mhmm. And I hate even hate to say that in those terms, but then now everyone else in that community is now displaced.
Speaker 0: Yes. And they burn the churches down?
Speaker 1: They burn the churches. The first thing they do is they try to kill the pastors and they burn the churches. That's the first thing they go after.
Speaker 0: And I I mean, and most of Nigeria is blissfully unaware.
Speaker 1: Because one, they're not getting the news. A lot of them aren't hearing about what's going on. Yeah. Because if it's not in the Nigerian news, no one knows about it. And that's why Truth Nigeria is there, and that's why we're trying to get as much awareness about this as possible.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I really and and where do people find you, by way? ChoosetruthNigeria.com.
Speaker 1: Right? Nigeria.com, and then they can partner with us at equippingthepersecuted.org. That's equippingthepersecuted.org.
Speaker 0: I really we'll have a link on the website, and we'll we'll post it on social media as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 0: Because you, you know, you're not one of those organizations that's stealing from the taxpayer and wasting the money. You're actually doing really doing God's work in Nigeria, and it's quite something because it this has been going on for a long time now. This is more than twenty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and I'd I'd just like to say this and and just get this out there. I created equipping the persecuted because I'd been going to Nigeria for over ten years, and I saw the persecution increase, and I saw no one doing anything about it. I saw a lot of organizations talking about it. I see people coming and do photo ops, but I saw no real on the ground action happening.
And that's why I created truth or that's that's why I created equipping the persecuted.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, there's a Catholic priest that I know very well, and I interviewed him many times. I did two sixty minute stories with him and a documentary. And one of the things he said to me, because he investigated the Holocaust in Eastern Europe 20 Years, and he said to me, you know, we love to build museums for genocide and monuments and stand up and say, never again. Never again. He said, but why when the genocide is happening and we can actually do something about it, we can stop it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Why then do we do nothing?
Speaker 1: Therein lies the question. That's a that's a thought process that's foreign to me Because if I see something going on and I can do my little part to play in it to help stop an atrocity, I'm gonna be there to do it. And for people to sit back and just, you know, people don't want to acknowledge horror. They don't want to acknowledge the horrors of really what's happening and especially in Western civilization in The United States. People here live in a very comfortable bubble that have first world problems that could not even comprehend what a persecution persecuted Christian is going through in Nigeria.
Speaker 0: Well, how did it begin for you? Why Nigeria?
Speaker 1: Well, my grandfather was an evangelist or is an evangelist. He's 89, still evangelizing, and was doing some work in Nigeria.
Speaker 0: What's his name?
Speaker 1: Dwayne Wessels. Dwayne Wessels. And and I I just say this, just as as a Christian, if it weren't for him Mhmm. Being rooted in the faith that helped root my mother in the faith, I wouldn't be here today. So I owe him sharing the gospel and keeping true to the gospel in in the family as to why I'm safe today.
And when I had my come to Jesus moment, my wake up call with God in 02/2009, he was working with a mission in Nigeria, and I come from a film video production background. And I was like, these guys need a lot of help just talking about their good work they were doing in Nigeria and and all that. But I kept fell in love with Nigeria. I just fell in love with the people, fell in love with the country and thought I'd go back every year and, you know, just help and serve how I could. But as I kept on coming back, saw the persecution increase, but I also saw a lot of missionaries not wanting to get involved with helping persecuted Christians because it might jeopardize their mission, might jeopardize their little silo of what's going on over here.
And I and I asked all these questions. I was like, why aren't you guys doing anything about this? It's like you have Christians being killed 10 miles away from your mission base.
Speaker 0: It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Like, why aren't we doing anything about it? Well, that's complicated if we get involved and they're just they're just scared. They're they're they're scared. I don't know what god they serve because they're scared to do the right thing, but it it that's not the god I serve. The god I serve says, go run toward the conflict and do what you can, And we go under his protection.
Speaker 0: Well, also says do not be afraid.
Speaker 1: Do not be afraid. If he's calling us to do something, we better not be afraid to go do it. Otherwise, we'll end up like Jonah. But we but I just kept on seeing this stuff happen, and I and I started asking my Nigerian brothers and sisters in Christ. I said, what if we had an organization that responded to attacks?
What if we had an organization that actually trained you guys in some basic self defense and security skills? You know, what if, you know, we did these things and they said, we need this yesterday. When can we start?
Speaker 0: Wow.
Speaker 1: I said, is anyone else doing this? And I called, I talked to other missionaries, I talked to other pastors, and they said no one else is doing this. They said we need this yesterday. And look, I'm just a weird guy from Iowa. I'm a guy from Iowa with a mission That's
Speaker 0: where you were born, right?
Speaker 1: Where I was born and raised, and I just said this is common sense. And for, you know, a few, you know, for a little bit of money in the grand scheme of things, we can do a lot here. And that's how that's how we started.
Speaker 0: And now I do have another friend, Mike Arnold, who lives not very far from here in Blanco, who also he had a school in the refugee IDP camp over there, and they shut the whole camp down.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a it's sad. It's really sad.
Speaker 0: I mean, the government is is pretty brutal.
Speaker 1: The government is yeah. Well, the government's brutal. They're like I said, they're turning a blind eye to what's going on, but if they don't like a certain location, like a certain place, and when they remember, when they move IDPs, like refugees in their own country Yeah. To another location Yeah. That's not their own land.
They're on someone else's land. It's not government land, it's some other tribal land. And so you're putting people on land that's not theirs.
Speaker 0: And you're taking them from land that was theirs.
Speaker 1: And you're taking from land that was theirs.
Speaker 0: I mean, and for generations.
Speaker 1: So so so imagine you're you're another tribe, you have your own dialect, your own culture, your own mini culture.
Speaker 0: You don't want those people there.
Speaker 1: Push to another land where completely foreign to them, you don't have the same culture, have the same customs as the other tribe on the land you're on now. And that's what the Nigerian government does. It's just, okay, we're gonna take you survivors. Bloop. Here you go.
No infrastructure. Have fun. Try to survive. And then, well, if you import 3,000, four thousand, 10 thousand people into a new community that's never had an additional three to 10,000 people in the community It create problems. It creates a lot of problems.
And that's that is one of the biggest issues that IDPs face, and they get no government protection or support.
Speaker 0: Is the government working with the terrorists?
Speaker 1: Certain parts of the government are, yes. I was a doubt. I mean, we've we've got reports of military coming into a community saying, alright, everybody just lay down, and they watch the terrorists drive by to go to attack the next town.
Speaker 0: It's terrible.
Speaker 1: And we have seen instances where military or police engaged in a fight against terrorists, and they're shooting the bullets above the heads of the terrorists and the terrorists are shooting bullets above the heads of the security for a dog and pony show and photo op just to say, we engaged the terrorists and they never really did.
Speaker 0: Well, I know there was one story that Truth Nigeria did that, I mean, extraordinary reporting on, and that was the the death of Deborah Emmanuel.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And and I I mentioned this now because there were 17, I believe 17 police officers reported to have been present while she was being murdered by an Islamic mob.
Speaker 1: They watched it happen.
Speaker 0: They watched it happen.
Speaker 1: They watched it happen. And and and let's just let's just be honest and let's go into a greater aspect of this, is that Sharia law exists in the Muslim dominated areas of Nigeria, and so they have Nigerian law and they have Sharia law. Sharia law trumps Nigerian law in the areas that the Muslims have control. And so when I mean Sharia law, this is how Deborah Emanuel was murdered. Can you
Speaker 0: tell people what happened? Take them through it.
Speaker 1: All she did was contradict somebody on social media. Contradicted a Muslim thing and it blew so out of proportion that they all said she blasphemed the prophet Muhammad. She didn't blaspheme the prophet Muhammad, but she said something pro Jesus.
Speaker 0: That's right. Wasn't it that she'd done really well in her exams?
Speaker 1: She'd done really well in her exams and she praised Jesus for doing well in her exams.
Speaker 0: For for her success.
Speaker 1: For her success.
Speaker 0: So she was at what? Like 20 years old?
Speaker 1: 20 years old, just finished her exams, graduated, and then
Speaker 0: A wonderful student.
Speaker 1: And then they took that and said she blasphemed the prophet Muhammad, got whole
Speaker 0: By acknowledging the existence of Jesus.
Speaker 1: By acknowledging the existence of Jesus in social media because she did well on her exams. And that was recent enough to get a whole gang of people to go kill her.
Speaker 0: And take her out of her dorm. Right?
Speaker 1: Take her out of her dorm and they beat her, they stoned her, and they beat her to death, and then they burned her.
Speaker 0: And at first they they went off to her cousin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They thought her cousin was They thought her cousin was Deborah, but it wasn't her. And they found out it wasn't her, then they
Speaker 0: because local people who knew Yeah.
Speaker 1: Said they said,
Speaker 0: hey, that's not her.
Speaker 1: That's not Deborah, and they went after Deborah and police witnessed it.
Speaker 0: And I think the only thing they did was fire a few, like, tear gas canisters or something like that, but they they didn't do
Speaker 1: No. They didn't they
Speaker 0: didn't intervene. No.
Speaker 1: They didn't do the proper patrol. They had they had AK 40 sevens. They could have stopped this very fast.
Speaker 0: Now, know there was a security guard from the university that she was at who who tried his best to stop the mob, and they've just, you know, tossed him aside.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They tossed him aside, and she was murdered because she just thanked Jesus for doing well on her exams.
Speaker 0: While her father tried desperately to come to her aid.
Speaker 1: Yes. And he couldn't he couldn't make it because he was too far outside of town.
Speaker 0: Yeah. By the time he got there, she
Speaker 1: was dead. She was dead by the time he got there. And it's it's it's absolutely horrific. But Sharia law trumps Nigerian law. There is no due process.
It's mob justice. Especially when I when someone accuses you of blaspheme Muhammad Yeah.
Speaker 0: Then it's over.
Speaker 1: This is this is why Nigeria needs intervention. Because I'll put it this way. If if we don't intervene in Nigeria Yeah. Millions and millions and millions of Christians are gonna die.
Speaker 0: Well, how many millions are there in Nigeria?
Speaker 1: There's population, 200,000,000, and it's right now 50% Christian. If they get their way, that population of Christianity based on Islamic conquest will be reduced down to 10%. So we're talking 90,000,000 Christians will die if we don't intervene.
Speaker 0: Wow. Those numbers are staggering. I mean, is crazy how populated Nigeria is.
Speaker 1: Egypt was once Christian. Went to a 10% Christian population. Arab Spring happened, now it's less than 1%. Syria had a 10% Christian population, now that's reduced down to less than 1% after Islamic conquest, but these were all Christian nations at one point in time. So everything Islam touches, once they get political control, the massacres begin.
Speaker 0: Well, and of course, you know, I mean, obviously, that doesn't speak for every Muslim in the world, but but you should be allowed to talk about it and discuss the fact that there is a an organization within Islam that that is, you know, perpetuating this.
Speaker 1: I wanna get one thing clear to the people watching this, and and really, so you gotta understand, I'm gonna look at the camera and say this. The common story I get from survivors of these attacks is the Muslims came in, they did business together, they were neighbors together, their kids played together until the one day the attacks occurred, their neighbors were gone. They didn't tell their neighbor that they were going to get killed, and in many instances, survivors saw their neighbors partake in the attacks of killing their neighbors. Their neighbors saw their Muslim counterparts come in and kill people in their own village. These were people that they lived with, they dined with, did commerce with, and they killed their neighbors.
They killed their Christian neighbors. So when the time comes that they are given the order, it's time to attack, they will either flee or participate in the attack, but they did not warn their Christian neighbors. And I get this from every survivor in every village that I talk to. They say the same story.
Speaker 0: You know, Jewish people said the same thing during after the Holocaust. Yeah. And Yazidis said the same thing in Right. Northern Iraq. I mean, this is what happens.
It's another thing that Catholic priest told me, father Deboire, he said he said, genocide, wherever you find genocide, you will find collaborators.
Speaker 1: Always.
Speaker 0: Always. The collab and he said the collaborators are always the neighbors.
Speaker 1: They're always your neighbors, people that you Yeah. Had a good relationship with, and they couldn't believe it. I'll just tell another story. I know we're going long, but I'll I'll tell another story is that I talked to a woman who was a who was a teacher in a village. She was a teacher at a village, and they just, know, stuck the gun in through her room and started shooting up the place, killed all of her family, and then they peeked in the window and said, oh, this is Anti, our teacher, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
We shouldn't be doing this. We shouldn't be doing this. And the other kid goes, she's a Christian, Doesn't matter. And they sprayed more bullets in the house and got her in the leg and got her in the arm, left her for dead. Wow.
This was their school teacher. Wow. This is the ideology that we're up against.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, the thing is, for me is, it's one thing when you look at that ideology in isolation, but who's enabling and furthering the interests of that ideology? Our own.
Speaker 1: Christians. Christians are enabling it.
Speaker 0: Yes. I mean, you know, Obama directly enabling it, and I mean, church leaders who don't speak up, I mean, indirect, you could say indirectly enabling it, but who's responsible for revolutionary theology? Not the Muslims.
Speaker 1: No. The Christian. Christians. And and and let me just put it this way. Like, so let's say, well, if we say these things, it's not loving your neighbor.
It's not loving our Muslim neighbor. No. You're not loving your neighbor by not telling the truth.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: You you are not loving your neighbor by ignoring what is happening and what you're up against. Just because you wanna have a persona of being nuanced and nice. Oh, look at me. Oh, golly gee, I'm the nice guy that never says anything negative. There's a lot
Speaker 0: of people like that.
Speaker 1: Right. It's and it's evil and it's sinful. They are not they call themselves men of God. They're not men of God. Mhmm.
They are hirelings. They are hirelings because they are cowards for not acknowledging the truth and speaking truth. And they're gonna lead their parishioners down the wrong path of their inaction and their willful ignorance.
Speaker 0: Now, of course, when you talk about these the Fulani as Islamic terrorists, you always you know what the counter is gonna be. They're gonna say, oh, they're not terrorists. They're not, you know, extremists. They're just nomadic tribesmen. And, you know, people want you to misunderstand when you see the headlines coming out of it.
You know, everyone there were people who saw the headlines about Boko Haram, which was the first Islamic terrorist group that really got headlines out of Nigeria with the kidnapping of the Chupok School girls. And then they went rampaging across Nigeria and pretty much swallowed up were swallowed up by sorry. They were swallowed up by the ice swap, right, which
Speaker 1: is Ice of West Africa province.
Speaker 0: Yes. And and now there's still pockets of Boko Haram?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, because, know, they they had their own profitable terrorizing, kidnapping, killing businesses going on, so they don't want to fully merge with iSwap. So there's been some splinter groups and some splinter associations. Just like anything in any major crazy religious ideology, you're gonna have all these splinter Mhmm. Groups that form and do their thing, but the vast majority is commanded by ICEWAP at this point.
Speaker 0: Well, and they all believe in the same ideology.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They all believe in the same ideology.
Speaker 0: Which is that that they're fighting for Islamic rule in Sharia across the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They wanna create Nigeria into a caliphate. And let me say this, if they take Nigeria, so goes all of Africa.
Speaker 0: Based on what?
Speaker 1: The population, the natural resources that are in Nigeria, that is like the key to Africa because Nigeria is the most populous nation in Africa. And if they get Nigeria, they'll be able to take over every other African country real fast.
Speaker 0: It would definitely have a
Speaker 1: A cascading
Speaker 0: effect. Cascading effect. Yeah. So what are some of those resources that Nigeria has?
Speaker 1: Very rich in oil, very rich in lithium, uranium, gold, major major resources and natural deposits, which are all going to waste because of the insecurity problems. If Nigeria didn't have this terrorist problem, this Islamic problem, and they were able to get security back in the country, and they were to tap into the resources that are available in Nigeria, Nigeria would change overnight and be a very prosperous African country.
Speaker 0: Well, how about also if intelligence agencies like the CIA and MI six stopped interfering?
Speaker 1: Well, if they would stop interfering in the political affairs and and advocate for the enemy and they just start advocating for the good guys, you'd see a lot of change happen. But right now, and I and I and I I really believe this that the Obama and Biden administrations turned a blind eye to Africa because their buddies, the Chinese are starting to infiltrate and buy up Africa and hordes.
Speaker 0: Well, not just starting. Right? I mean, that's well advanced.
Speaker 1: They're well advanced in Nigeria, and they're getting and they're getting ahold of these resources.
Speaker 0: That's part of the Belt and Road Initiative. That's what China calls it.
Speaker 1: Belt and Road Initiative.
Speaker 0: Where they're offering cheap loans to build strategic locations like airports and harbors and so on. Right. And then they these countries can't pay the loans, they default and China owns them owns the territory.
Speaker 1: Correct. And China doesn't care about the massacres, the ideology, as long as they have their piece of the pie and nothing interferes with their operations, they're just gonna keep on going. And so if they can get advantage by helping terrorists so they can get control of x land over here, they'll go do that.
Speaker 0: I still, you know, I still can't get over the fact that it would just be very simple for churches all across the world to raise awareness about the fact that there's a genocide of Christians. It's not a genocide of you you know what I mean? Of, I mean, of of anybody else. This is your group.
Speaker 1: Look. And and I'm praying. And I and I'm praying, and I I talk to pastors. I talk to churches all the time about what's going on, and none of them knew. None of them knew what was going on.
So like even today, they don't know what's going on. They they do. A lot of pastors, they're concentrating on their churches, concentrating on their flock, and they don't pay attention to the news or what's going on out there.
Speaker 0: It sounds like it's the news though. Right?
Speaker 1: Right. It's it's but it's Christian. Yeah. It's Christian activity. But the other thing is, I've run into churches where they said, well, you're doing a really good ministry.
You're doing a lot of great work, but this topic is really depressing.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. Yeah, is.
Speaker 1: This topic is really depressing. So that goes against their live your best life now. Happy, happy. Love, love, love, joy, joy, joy. Nothing bad ever happens.
Praise Jesus. Theology. And I do run into that. I'm dead serious. I had a pastor tell me that this topic was too depressing to talk about in his church.
Speaker 0: That is not surprising.
Speaker 1: Sadly, it's not surprising.
Speaker 0: No. Sadly, it's not surprising. It doesn't mean you shouldn't speak out against it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to change it. Just because it's not surprising doesn't mean that, you know, it shouldn't motivate people.
Speaker 1: At the bare minimum, you know, he could talk about and say, hey, our brothers and sisters in Nigeria are being killed. Let's pray for them. I would take that. You don't have to promote my ministry, promote my mission, but just bring it up to your people so we can get more prayer and more involvement. But they it's too depressing.
Speaker 0: Well, it's going to be even more depressing for them when it when it comes home to roost.
Speaker 1: Yes. I agree. I know I know what God I follow. I know whose side I'm on.
Speaker 0: What do you think based on what you're seeing on the ground and the trends, I mean, as I understand it from a number of of the Truth Nigeria journalists, they all agree that the the pace and the frosty, the intensity of these mass murders of Christians is escalating. It's it's going up.
Speaker 1: It's escalating. It it it's it's escalating. It's not it's not stopping. But you but here's here's an interesting thing, is there is hope.
Speaker 0: Why? What
Speaker 1: do you mean? There there is well, there's there's hope in the Lord Jesus Christ, and there is hope for the people. That's why I'm on that's why we're on the ground dealing with it every day, trying to help these people because when we come to help them, they you'd think they would be bitter towards God. You think they would have like like, you know, like, did God abandon me? Their their faith actually grows.
We have seen we have seen many many people come to know Christ because because we showed up and said, you know, showed up being the hands of Jesus and demonstrating his love by coming alongside these guys and helping them in their biggest time of need. We've seen more people come to know Christ. But we've also also seen Fulani, and we've seen Muslims come to know Christ through our efforts in Nigeria because we show up and we show up enough to say we care. And there have been Muslims caught in the crossfire. There have been people that see what's going on, and they say they just know in their heart that that this is wrong.
Speaker 0: Well, there have been multiple instances of Muslim people who have been murdered because they wouldn't go along with it.
Speaker 1: Right? Because they wouldn't go along with it. And we have seen Muslims come to know Christ through our ministry and through these efforts. That's what brings me hope. That's what gives me hope.
Hopefully.
Speaker 0: How many?
Speaker 1: Muslims? Hundreds. Really? Hundreds.
Speaker 0: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Through our through our mission.
Speaker 0: If they you know, that's against the tenants of the Islamic And
Speaker 1: and and one of the things we do Can
Speaker 0: get you killed.
Speaker 1: And so and so one of the things we do is when a Muslim comes to know Christ. Yeah. We have safe houses for them, and they are discipled for three months. Wow. And they make the choice, am I gonna go to another Muslim region and share the gospel up there, or am I gonna, you know, play it safe and move south?
And we we have we have safe houses where they are where they are trained in the gospel and trained on how to share their faith. Like I said, we're a gospel preaching mission. Everything we do is accompanied with the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 0: Can we pray now for the Christians in Nigeria?
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Want me to pray? Alright. Lord heavenly father, God, we just ask for safety and protection over our brothers and sisters in Nigeria. And those that are listening and see this, Lord, I pray that you awaken in them a heart and a passion to help our persecuted brothers and sisters.
Lord, we know we're here doing your will, and we know we are here for a purpose. I just ask that you use us to the best of our abilities, but I ask for the safety of our teams in Nigeria, pray for that they just get through their day safely. Pray for our persecuted brothers and sisters that when harm comes, that peace is brought upon them, and that your light shines through every one of us. In Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 0: Amen. Thank you, Jud. Thank you very much. I wanna keep talking to you about this. Yes.
I want people to please follow Truth Nigeria. If people wanna get involved, I know they can go to equipping the persecuted.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We need we need people to partner with us at equippingthepersecuted.org. We need all the help we can get.
Speaker 0: What kind of partnerships are you looking For
Speaker 1: as little as $35 a month. Partner with us, and that helps us take care of widows and orphans. That helps us with our medical interventions we do with IDPs, that helps us pay for surgeries, that helps us do a lot of stuff. And you can go to our website. We have different partnership levels.
And if someone can sacrifice just a little, we're asking for all the help we can get.
Speaker 0: And then with Truth Nigeria, I just really want people to remember those names. There's Mike O'Dea James.
Speaker 1: Mike O'Dea James.
Speaker 0: Look for his look for him on
Speaker 1: Look for him on Truth Nigeria, look for Masara Kim, look for Luca Biniyet
Speaker 0: Who went to prison Who to went to
Speaker 1: to prison for reporting the truth. And we have Segun. We have all the people on our team have been beaten, arrested, and harassed by the Nigerian government for their reporting.
Speaker 0: And have lost family.
Speaker 1: And they've lost family.
Speaker 0: And relatives.
Speaker 1: And relatives for their reporting.
Speaker 0: And friends. And I know for a long time Lawrence had I mean, he had people had lost everything in his in his own home even though he had nothing. Yep. You know, they help each other with nothing.
Speaker 1: They help each other with nothing and they and they come alongside one another. They help each other out, and the least we could do is give them a little boost.
Speaker 0: And, really, what you what what would you wanna say to Christian organizations across this country? I mean, there's there's amazing places like Liberty University, you know Mhmm. That do a lot to educate children in the Christian spirit and faith. What what do you need from these people?
Speaker 1: We need more involvement in Nigeria from them, but they also need to get involved with the right people and the right organizations on the ground in Nigeria.
Speaker 0: And pressure the state department and the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: Pressure those talk to your congressman, talk to your senator, call call president Trump, call the state department, tell them to intervene on behalf of persecuted Christians in Nigeria.
Speaker 0: And educate themselves on what is happening on the ground there. Right?
Speaker 1: And use Truth Nigeria as a resource to educate yourself.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's it's incredible that there are so many that are killed on a daily basis. Christians, I just want people to remember and think about this. Christians are murdered every day in Nigeria just for being Christian. Yeah.
And that should be something that should be on the conscience of every Christian. Right?
Speaker 1: Every Christian should be praying about this.
Speaker 0: So there you have it. You can go to LauraLogan.com and like, share, subscribe. We would be so grateful if you would share this episode with as many people as you can. If you would talk to your pastor or your priests, people in your congregation, if you would encourage leaders in your community, if you're a student at, you know, a Christian university or a Christian school, this is something that you should be speaking about. This is something that is not very difficult to understand, and this is something this is a place one thing I've learned about Nigeria, One thing I know about Africa is when you help these people, it's a dollar goes a long long way.
Speaker 1: Dollar goes a very long way, and our organization stretches that dollar as far as it can go to to impact the most amount of people.
Speaker 0: So wherever you are, you know, don't don't turn away from this and move on to something else. It would mean a great deal to a lot of people if you were to understand and to speak up. So thank you so much, Jud, for being here with us. Thank you for everything that you're doing on the ground in Nigeria. We salute your organization and and those amazing journalists.
Man, I love those guys. They really they inspire me. They remind me of what journalism is supposed to be They're doing at its finest.
Speaker 1: They're doing the Lord's work out there, and we love to come behind them and just give them that extra boost.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's more than that. You give them more than that. So thank you so much for watching Going Rogue with Lara Logan. This was a heavy topic, but you can handle the truth.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
America is asleep at the wheel. The enemy is not at the gate - it is within. And it is co-ordinated, orchestrated, organized. The lines you think are drawn do not really exist - the same people pushing Islamic revolution are pushing Marxism are pushing globalism etc.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
John Brennan should be the first one held accountable for treason & sediton. Then the little rats he commands will go scurrying for cover.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
Saying the quiet part out loud - “We will outbreed you & then outnumber you”.
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Lara Logan initiated a discussion about financing China's military, referencing a new episode of her show featuring Ross Kennedy, which focuses on the Chinese Communist Party's influence on global shipping and its implications for national security. In response, a user urged Logan to contact Claudia Merani regarding concerns over Indivor's role in the opioid crisis, specifically criticizing the transition from Purdue's pain medications to Suboxone, which they claim is more addictive than heroin. The user expressed a need for support for pain patients who feel voiceless.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
“We’re financing the building of China’s military…” WATCH HERE: https://rumble.com/v6rc63a-going-rogue-with-lara-logan-episode-8-the-ccp-takeover-of-global-shipping.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp NEW @GoingRoguewLara 🎙️ Episode 8 - Ross Kennedy | TRUMP TAKES AIM AT CHINA: The CCP Takeover of Global Shipping: Unmasking a Massive Threat to National Security 🚨 LIKE, SUBSCRIBE & SHARE! 🚨 #GoingRogue #LaraLogan #RossKennedy #Trump #CCP #China #NationalSecurity #SupplyChain #GlobalTrade #EconomicWarfare #Geopolitics
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China's addition to the World Trade Organization in 2021 led to a surge in manufacturing and shipbuilding. China's dominance in both making and moving goods gives them exponential power. While tariffs address trade barriers, China builds 50% of the world's ships, including 37% of military vessels. These shipyards also produce military equipment like aircraft carriers and submarines. Funding Chinese shipbuilding is seen as sacrificing economic and national security, as money invested goes back into their military. The U.S. is seen as financing China's military, contributing to its own detriment.
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Speaker 0: Clinton added, promoted, and and got through, the addition of China to the World Trade Organization that was consummated in, '21. And and since then, it has been an absolute rocket ship for China, not only in manufacturing, but part of what gives them their manufacturing dominance is the rise in shipbuilding. So it's not just controlling the making of a thing. It's also controlling the making and movement of a thing that really gives exponential power to China. And so even as we're using tariffs and various trade levers, to to address the the restrictions and and the trade barriers that China puts up worldwide through their control of making of things, as we're trying to fix that.
Now we're moving downstream of that and saying, okay. Now we also have to take a look at what does it mean that they can build that they build 50% of the ships in the world. They build 37% of all the ships in the world that includes all the military vessels. So what does it mean when they can do that, when they can build faster, cheaper, when all the money we're putting into building ships there is going right back into their military because all of these shipyards are also military shipyards. They're producing aircraft carriers, ballistic missile submarines, surface combat vessels, three docks down from the next big container ship for Maersk or for MSC or for whomever.
And so when we look at that and we say we are not only giving up our economic sovereignty, our economic security and stability, now we're giving up our national security because we've given them control and we're paying them to take control and maintain control of these things at our expense by putting money into their shipyards, into their container building economy, and not only into the goods and services that we acquire from them.
Speaker 1: So we're financing the building of China's military? Absolutely. This is just great. There's just yet another thing that The United States taxpayer is is doing to slit its own throat without being told the truth.
@missnotmyname - Patty Pakhet
@laralogan @GoingRoguewLara @luke_coffee Laura, can u please contact claudia merani , indivor set up the takedown of purdue who made pain meds, indivor has now suboxone a med more addicting than heroin. PLEASE help us pain patients. We really have no voice because we are unable to protest .
reSee.it AI Summary
Lara Logan initiated a discussion about financing China's military, linking it to a broader issue of the Chinese Communist Party's influence on global shipping and national security. She promoted the latest episode of her show featuring Ross Kennedy, which focuses on these concerns. In response, another participant suggested that Mitch McConnell's marriage to a Chinese woman raises questions about her influence on Chinese shipping, implying a connection to the broader topic of U.S.-China relations and economic implications.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
“We’re financing the building of China’s military…” WATCH HERE: https://rumble.com/v6rc63a-going-rogue-with-lara-logan-episode-8-the-ccp-takeover-of-global-shipping.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp NEW @GoingRoguewLara 🎙️ Episode 8 - Ross Kennedy | TRUMP TAKES AIM AT CHINA: The CCP Takeover of Global Shipping: Unmasking a Massive Threat to National Security 🚨 LIKE, SUBSCRIBE & SHARE! 🚨 #GoingRogue #LaraLogan #RossKennedy #Trump #CCP #China #NationalSecurity #SupplyChain #GlobalTrade #EconomicWarfare #Geopolitics
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China's addition to the World Trade Organization in 2021 led to a surge in manufacturing and shipbuilding. China's dominance in both making and moving goods gives them exponential power. While tariffs address trade barriers, China builds 50% of the world's ships, including 37% of military vessels. These shipyards also produce military equipment like aircraft carriers and submarines. Funding Chinese shipyards means the money goes back into their military. This situation sacrifices economic and national security by giving China control, which is maintained at the expense of the United States. The U.S. is financing the building of China's military.
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Speaker 0: Clinton added, promoted, and and got through, the addition of China to the World Trade Organization that was consummated in, '21. And and since then, it has been an absolute rocket ship for China, not only in manufacturing, but part of what gives them their manufacturing dominance is the rise in shipbuilding. So it's not just controlling the making of a thing. It's also controlling the making and movement of a thing that really gives exponential power to China. And so even as we're using tariffs and various trade levers, to to address the the restrictions and and the trade barriers that China puts up worldwide through their control of making of things, as we're trying to fix that.
Now we're moving downstream of that and saying, okay. Now we also have to take a look at what does it mean that they can build that they build 50% of the ships in the world. They build 37% of all the ships in the world that includes all the military vessels. So what does it mean when they can do that, when they can build faster, cheaper, when all the money we're putting into building ships there is going right back into their military because all of these shipyards are also military shipyards. They're producing aircraft carriers, ballistic missile submarines, surface combat vessels, three docks down from the next big container ship for Maersk or for MSC or for whomever.
And so when we look at that and we say we are not only giving up our economic sovereignty, our economic security and stability, now we're giving up our national security because we've given them control and we're paying them to take control and maintain control of these things at our expense by putting money into their shipyards, into their container building economy, and not only into the goods and services that we acquire from them.
Speaker 1: So we're financing the building of China's military? Absolutely. This is just great. There's just yet another thing that The United States taxpayer is is doing to slit its own throat without being told the truth.
@Jude_62 - We the People | Populism is Democracy 🇺🇸
@laralogan @GoingRoguewLara @luke_coffee The real story can be found in Mitch McConnell's rich, beautiful Chinese wife. Why would she marry him? Well, it sure has helped Chinese shipping, @marcorubio @SecDef https://t.co/dS8Ienq1ec
@laralogan - Lara Logan
Going live from Panama with @Michael_Yon on @RealAlexJones
@laralogan - Lara Logan
"...Children are singing about chopping the heads off of infidels... What do you expect them to teach at a mosque? They're teaching Islam." - John Guandolo Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26NXV4l9jwg @JGuandolo54271 @GoingRoguewLara https://t.co/IQr6EXgRUw
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A speaker discusses a Muslim American Society mosque in Philadelphia where children allegedly sang about beheading infidels. The speaker questions the surprise surrounding this, stating that mosques teach Islam and this is part of Islam. The speaker then asks if the video of the incident can be obtained and notes that the mosque was not shut down, nor was there an FBI or Philadelphia police investigation.
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Speaker 0: When people say, oh my goodness. This, Muslim American Society mosque in Philadelphia, we've uncovered videos where the children are singing about chopping the heads off of infidels. And I'm like, I got interviewed by like, all of a sudden, these national newsmen are can you believe it? What do you expect them to teach at a mosque? They're teaching Islam.
That's part of Islam. What's Can we get that video? And did that mosque get shut down? No. Was there an FBI investigation?
No. Did the Philadelphia police open investigation? No.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
I could obviously be wrong but I do not think he will forget. @jgebbia @RFKJr_Official @amaryllisfox
@laralogan - Lara Logan
The U.S. Federal housing agency: Over 100 employees fired.
@FHFA - U.S. Federal Housing (FHFA)
Fannie Mae Fires Over 100 Employees for Unethical Conduct, Including the Facilitation of Fraud https://t.co/VFWQn86m82
@laralogan - Lara Logan
This was my interview. No one has been held responsible for this set-up. If that does not happen, they will continue to get away with treason & sedition.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
What is happening in the UK? Why is it an offense to defend your culture & those who want to subvert your culture are free to do so? https://t.co/69aI4wb8Hv
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A British primary school canceled Easter celebrations, including the traditional Easter bonnet parade and Easter service, citing inclusivity and respect for diverse religious beliefs. This decision, detailed in a letter to parents from the head teacher identified as Miss Manda, sparked protests and debate about cultural identity and religious expression in Britain. Some view the cancellation as subverting British culture and faith, advocating for the removal of those perceived as responsible. They argue that celebrating Easter in Britain should not be controversial, asserting that Britain is a Christian land.
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Speaker 0: Provide and I say that those who are here to subvert our culture and our faith, we should send home. We don't want them here. We don't want them here. At what point did celebrating Easter in Britain become controversial? This is question that has left many Brits stunned as they witness an unexpected cultural battleground emerging in an unlikely place, the local primary school.
In recent days, footage has emerged showing protests outside a British primary school where Easter celebrations were canceled, not by public demand, but rather in the name of inclusivity. This decision has sparked intense debate about cultural identity, religious expression, and what true inclusivity actually means in modern Britain. According to a letter sent to parents by the head teacher, identified as miss Manda, the school would not be holding its traditional Easter bonnet parade and Easter service this year. The justification provided was in the spirit of inclusivity and respect for the diverse religious beliefs represented within our school community. With those words, long standing Easter traditions that have been part of British school life for generations were quietly pushed aside.
I say this is a Christian land, and I
@laralogan - Lara Logan
Everyone needs to listen to this - for $100 people bought 1.2 million files of children being brutally raped/sexually battered, to incld babies. If each video file is unique, that means 1.2 million children? Arrests international child pornography case in Florida https://youtu.be/KCVclMORHUs?feature=shared via @YouTube
@laralogan - Lara Logan
So the data here shows one in five voters in this election do not exist or were not citizens? Is this what happened in Wisconsin too?
@realJoeHoft - Joe Hoft
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Pres Trump asks a very important question here: “Did Biden have the authority” to facilitate/enable the illegal entry of foreign paramilitary organizations & violent criminals & terrorists who are now harming U.S. citizens. How come these journalists never asked that? https://t.co/byy0e0iBJa
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The speaker claims the law allows rounding up and deporting people without needing to show evidence in court. They assert the country needs this because millions of unvetted and unchecked people were allowed into the country, many of whom were criminals from jails, prisons, mental institutions, and gangs. The speaker alleges there are 11,088 known murderers in the country, with at least half having killed more than one person. They blame Biden for allowing this to happen and suggest investigating who operated the auto pen, implying that person was the real president. The speaker questions whether Biden had the authority to allow millions of people, including hardened criminals, into the country, causing tremendous damage.
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Speaker 0: Do you think you have the authority, the power to round up people, deport them, and then you're under no obligation to a court to show the evidence against them?
Speaker 1: Well, that's what the law says, and that's what our country needs because, we were unfortunately, they allowed millions of people to come into our country, totally unvetted, totally unchecked. So you would have asked, did he have the authority to allow millions of people? Did Biden have the authority to do something that's unthinkable? Have open borders where millions of people poured into our country, totally unvetted and totally unchecked, just as you would say. And many of those people were criminals.
Many of them were from jails and prisons and mental institutions and gang members and drug dealers and very dangerous people. Many were murderers. We have 11,088 that we know of murderers they murdered. Of that number, at least half killed more than one person. They were in our country.
They're they're in a location near you. Biden allowed that to happen to our country and his people that really ran the country. And the person that operated the auto pen, I think we ought to find out who that was because I guess that was the real president. So when you asked me if we have the authority, did Biden have the authority to allow millions of people to come into our country? Many of these people hardened criminals at the top of the line who have caused tremendous damage
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I just released Episode 6 of Going Rogue with Lara Logan, featuring Ilonka Deaton. She shares her firsthand experience in the music industry, exposing the dark trade in child music stars and how she transformed her pain into a powerful life.
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NEW RELEASE! Going Rogue with Lara Logan Episode 6 | Trafficked in the Music Industry with Ilonka Deaton Survivor @ilonka_real reveals what the PDiddy world is really about. A first-hand account of the high level trade in child music stars and how the South African singer overcame the pain to build a powerful life: @BooyensJaco @GoingRoguewLara
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Elanka Deaton, a survivor of sex trafficking, shares her story with Lara Logan. She was groomed by her music manager starting at age 12, leading to repeated rapes over six years. The manager threatened her family to ensure her silence. Elanka describes being trafficked within South Africa's entertainment industry, where she and other young artists were exploited at events attended by powerful men. She details the psychological manipulation, including being given a new identity to disassociate from the trauma.
At almost 18, she fought back against her manager and ran away, eventually being found by her brother. Years later, she shared her story, leading to a divorce. After a suicide attempt, she found faith and healing. Elanka now works with her brother to combat trafficking and advocates for child protection. She discusses the entertainment industry's role in facilitating deals involving sex trafficking, and the importance of breaking the cycle of abuse. She emphasizes the need to protect children and expose evil.
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Speaker 0: So entertainment is always a means to a name. It's used. The entertainment industry is always used to to facilitate deals. And so p d d is low. He is like one of the, what I like to call, regional managers, you know, of the entertainment.
And he's already been replaced probably. Wow. So the question is, why did he lose his protection? He lost his protection for a reason. Right?
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Going Rogue with Lara Logan. Our guest today is somebody who is very special to me. Her name is Elanka Deaton and she is an extraordinary woman who is from my native South Africa and who is also an artist, a singer and a speaker and a very vocal voice in the counter trafficking movement because Elanka herself was trafficked when she was very young. So, without any further ado, I would like to introduce her.
Speaker 0: Thank you, Laura. I'm so glad to be here. Thank you. I'm very humbled.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming all this way. We didn't know each other back home in South Africa.
Speaker 0: No. If we did, we would have had a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, we would have. Okay. So, Elanka, from the the time I first met you and heard your story, you know, I was just I mean, I was I was blown away in lots of different ways. One, because you are, as a survivor of sex trafficking
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: You you are a very powerful person in your own right.
Speaker 0: Well, thank you. I've given God all the glory for that one, but and and I must say, you were a very big influential part in in in me speaking up and speaking out. If I could share this story, the very first time I met you, you were on my brother's podcast on The Bottom Line.
Speaker 1: Yes, your brother, Yes,
Speaker 0: Jakob Boyntz.
Speaker 1: Who was very active in counter You had
Speaker 0: just finished, and there was a conference room and you saw me motioned to me and said, Are you Jakob's sister? And I said, Yes. And you walked up to me and you got right in my face, and you said, You have to speak for yourself. You've got to speak for yourself and share
Speaker 1: your story. Because I learned about your story from Yako, and then I saw an interview, a little bit of you in the film that he did. Yes. And it was so it was so powerful because the story of what happened to you is one thing and that's, you know, extraordinary on many levels. But then it's just that you are so grounded and that, you know, when I think obviously, I don't think of myself as a survivor even though I am really not of trafficking but of gang rape.
I've dealt with so many people over the years who come to me and they take strength from my strength. And so, often when we think about survivors, I feel for survivors of sex trafficking because very often they're overlooked or dismissed or disregarded or it's like, you know, they're treated as if, well, you know, she's
Speaker 0: Now seeing that they prostituted themselves or
Speaker 1: Yeah, or people just don't believe them. Right. Or they treat them as if they're damaged somehow. But you, in spite of everything, and I know that and we'll get into that now in a moment, but in spite of everything that you've been through and all the scars and wounds that you have endured, you don't have that sense about you of being damaged. Right.
Speaker 0: Right. And that's my whole goal, is for other victims of not just sex trafficking, but any form of abuse, whether it was deciding to have an abortion or having a parent who abused you, or even if it's just making a decision to date with the wrong person and feeling that guilt and shame, that there is life, there is a life of hope far beyond any bad decision you could have made or anything that could have happened to you, and that you can have a completely redeemed, free, holistic life going forward without PTSD and without anxiety and without depression. Yes. I praise God that I am part of the one percent of survivors like you that can walk this journey out, but there are many, many other survivors who don't have that confidence yet. I think when we share our stories, just like when you came up to me that day and you said that, it gave me permission, right, because you're a strong woman who speaks up for herself, right?
Yeah. If I stand up and speak up for myself, someone else who's a victim will do the same thing. And that is how, in my opinion, how the Holy Spirit works is he entices others to stand up and speak up and take charge of their own lives and what has happened to them, and to say, even though I don't have everything figured out right now, there is a way forward because look at Laura, look at Elonga, they've done it so I can do it. Know? So we give them permission.
I think it's very, very, very important.
Speaker 1: Okay. So let's help people understand your story then. I know born and raised in South Africa. Yes. How old are you now?
Speaker 0: I am 43.
Speaker 1: Oh, so I'm I'm 53. I've got ten years on you, and and you you had your brother and your mom and dad.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So, my parents went through a divorce when I was 13 old. My dad was a pilot in the South African Air Force and became a first functioning alcoholic and then a dysfunctional alcoholic.
Speaker 1: Yes, as often happens. Goodness.
Speaker 0: And my mom just didn't want us to be raised in an alcoholic home. She was a language professor and just raised us by herself. So Yaku is six years older than me, then we have a brother that's thirteen months older than me and then me. So I was the baby of the family. And loving mom, my mom is absolutely my hero.
She was she's always the can do voice in my head that says, don't don't tell me there's something you can do, can't die when you push the wheelbarrow, you know, the South African saying? Yeah. You don't tell me you can't do it. Reach for the stars, go for your dreams, you know, and pursue, pursue, pursue. But there was a hole in our family because dad wasn't around.
And my dad wasn't he wasn't an abusive dad. He just wasn't there. So it left a gaping hole of abandonment for all three of us. And Jakku kind of had to step into a parenting role
Speaker 1: we had Because he was the oldest boy.
Speaker 0: Yes. And you know, South Africa, if you don't work, you don't eat. And if you don't pay your bills, they Yeah, they still stay in. There's no safety need or social services work or anything like that or a food bank. You really have to work.
Mom, at times, had to have three jobs to keep food on the table.
Speaker 1: But you were always very talented.
Speaker 0: Yes, all three of us have different talents, but for me it was singing, and I just wanted to sing. Since I was born, I just wanted to sing. Singing was a place where I could escape what I felt by not having a dad, and I really love hearing people sing songs. I I would just sing any song that people would like just to hear them sing back at me. Mean, have so much joy doing that.
So at 12, we moved into a new neighborhood, and I made a neighborhood friend, a girl that was my age Yeah. And she had a a kind of a stepdad in her life that was getting ready to marry her mom. Right? Which fast forward ended up being my music manager. And he was in the music industry, and she said, well, why don't you come to my house and come learn about some more music, my soon to be stepped down is in music, and you should really talk to him, just come to my house and we'll sing Death Leopard, and we'll write the lyrics down and record on cassette tapes.
I was so in love with music that I wanted to know more, and she was someone my age, but I didn't know at the time that she was actually recruiting kids in the neighborhood for this particular manager who ended up becoming And she was your
Speaker 1: age? Me.
Speaker 0: She was my age. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I only found out later that she too was in the same trafficking ring that I was in, that he had been abusing her for many years
Speaker 1: prior Her stepfather. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Prior to me meeting meeting her. And I met him, super nice guy, father figure, got his life together.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 0: You know, music manager, well respected person in the industry, lots of connections, and loves to help young people reach their dreams. And he invited me to a singing competition that was to the liking of American Idol, but way before American Idol ever existed. And I went through all of the rounds, and I ended up winning this winning this competition singing Whitney Houston's The Greatest Love of All. And I was so happy. I won $50.50 rand, which was a lot of money for me then.
Speaker 1: And R50, which is about 4 or $5.
Speaker 0: And I signed my first record deal. Wow. And I was off to the races with what is it like being an artist, making your first album, finding songs that I can sing the original, getting new hairstyles, everything of the industry.
Speaker 1: And this is a long time ago. This is not like the days of social media today where you can produce your own music, you
Speaker 0: know what were talking 1994.
Speaker 1: I mean, getting a record contract in those was absolutely huge. Yes, it was.
Speaker 0: It absolutely was. And then in South Africa too, as you know, when you sign a record contract, you also sign performance agreements with conglomerates, like entertainment companies. Like here we have Live Nations, for instance, who's going to promote all of your works. In South Africa, you have entertainment companies who own a lot of casinos, you know, big estate casinos.
Speaker 1: Do you work a Kind of like getting a gig in Las Vegas.
Speaker 0: That's correct. Right. So you not only sign a contract with a record company, but you also sign one with a promoting company and with an entertainment company, right? Wow. Who's going to make sure that you're touring and you're making money and all that.
So the first six months was amazing. I learned so much, and this guy, this manager to give you perspective, my mom was in her 70s and he was a little bit older than my mom, to how old he is now. He was a father figure to me, and I learned so much about the music industry and I loved every bit of it, but I did not know that he was grooming me. But not only me, he was grooming my mom and my family because they earn your trust. I mean, they earn your trust on a visceral level to where you would trust your children with them.
They are good people. They have a good reputation. They have great references, you name it.
Speaker 1: Because this means that when you're touring and performing, you're going away with them. Yes. So they're taking I I couldn't imagine, I'm not going to let my 12 year old daughter go off with some strange guy. Right, and
Speaker 0: my mom didn't either, and I'll tell you how this happened. So mom would take me to rehearsals, she would take me to photo shoots, she would take me to the studio, to the writing stations, all of that. And it was almost to date, a year since I won the competition, that my my mom could not. She had three jobs at the time
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And she said, Jakku cannot take you. You know, he's going to visit a university. He can't take you. Your manager's going to pick you up. And she felt comfortable with that.
Yeah. But she's been a year now. For a year. Yes. Now mind you, his children were my friends.
Yeah. Like, biological kids were my friends, not the new wife that he married. That's plus. And he picked me up and drove me to rehearsal space to the where we're gonna rehearse. But, Lara, I knew when I got in the car that something was wrong.
How? Intuition. When someone decides to do something evil towards you or against you, you feel it. There's an energy that you can just feel. Now, in my young mind, I couldn't tell you what he was going to do, but I knew something was different.
I try to teach my daughter and young girls, if you feel uncomfortable and you feel that intuition, you must trust it. Even if you don't know the answer of why you feel that way, just trust it and and walk away. And I asked him to take me home. I said, I don't I wanna go home. I don't wanna do this today.
I wanna go home. And he said, no. We have this very big New Year's thing coming up, and you have to rehearse for this, and and everybody's waiting for you, and we have to come and do this. And at the rehearsal space, when we got there, we were the only people there, and he he locked the door behind me. That was the first time, but no one else was there.
And I knew now this is a kind of a warehouse space. We would rehearse. Right? So think industrial. Industrial doors, industrial gates, and I knew something bad, bad, bad was wrong.
And he looked at me and he started saying to me, you know how special you are. Right? Mhmm. And Creepy. I thought this is yes.
It makes your Fancy. Skin crawl. And then he turned into a extremely violent person.
Speaker 1: Are you serious?
Speaker 0: Yes. What did he do? Violent. Brutally, brutally raped me. Wow.
Silenced my mouth. I couldn't breathe at one point. It was I'd never ever wanna go through that. But you know what was even scarier than that? Mhmm.
Is when he became silent. While he was raping me, he became really silent, and that was the first time that I was in the midst of when evil became silent and when you are face to face with Satan, when you are face to face with the evil of the spirit that leads men to do that because it's not them. There's a spirit attached to that, Laura. And I knew that I was dealing with an entity way more powerful than me. And I knew that even though I fought as a 12 year old, now he was much larger than me, there was no way for me physically to escape what he was doing.
When it was done, I was just glad that it was done and begged to go to the bathroom because I immediately felt like somebody had poured, like, mud over my skin. Like, you feel dirty. You just feel so dirty. And I I was crying. I went to the bathroom.
I started washing my hands, you know, and wiping tears off of my face. And when I tried to come out of the bathroom, he was waiting at the bathroom door for me. And he said, now we're gonna talk. And then he proceeded to threaten to kill my mom in front of me, and to kill Jakku, and to kill my brother Bjorn, if I said one word. And if I wanted to have a career in South Africa, if I wanted to ever sing again, would not utter a single word about this.
I would go home. He's gonna take me home. I would go home and I would be quiet about it, and then in a week, we would talk again. He reminded me of that thread driving me all the way home, I cried the entire way. When I got home, mom was there, her car was there, and I thought, how am I going to what am I gonna do?
I can't I can't let him kill my mom. I mean, I can't do that. Don't have a dad. My mom was my only lifeline. And I made an instant decision right there, no one asked me to do this, that I would not say one word.
I would be silent.
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That's goascentnutrition.com/lara. I really do want to say a very genuine thank you to Lance for supporting our podcast, for being willing to go rogue with Lara Logan and my team, and, for being a supporter of our work. The only question I have is Lance is willing to go rogue. Are you?
Speaker 0: Do you know that every single predator knows that if they threaten a loved one
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: After the act of a violent rape or crime like
Speaker 1: that Yeah.
Speaker 0: The child will be silent. Really? Because they break your spirit. They have to break your spirit first, and then they've gotta threaten you so that you will be silent, and then over a few months or a few weeks, I can get control over you. Right?
So I went in the house, ran to the bathroom, and locked the door. And my mom came to the door, and she said, Why is this door locked? I was 12, I had a very good relationship with my mom, but I hid. It reminds me of Adam and Eve hiding in the garden. I hid from her because I couldn't explain this.
I couldn't explain why I was bleeding because I hadn't started my period. I'm bleeding. How am I going to explain that to her? I don't want to explain this to her. He's going to kill her if I say he won't because she will definitely call the authorities and then I'm gonna be in trouble, and then my family, what am I gonna do?
This can happen.
Speaker 1: It's too much for a child
Speaker 0: to Oh, the weight of it.
Speaker 1: Weight of it. Yeah. It's too much to think about your family's well-being, the enormity of it.
Speaker 0: Laura, I thought he'd puberty. I had not really even understood at 12 years old what sex is. Why would I know? I didn't have a dad in the house. My mom, they didn't behind locked doors.
You know what I'm saying? That wasn't something that was in my purview. That wasn't part of my daily life.
Speaker 1: Did you feel guilt and shame? Not
Speaker 0: at first, no. Guilt came later for me, I'll explain to you why, but at first, it was just tremendous it was just the tremendous weight of and the violence of that I could have been killed and feeling extremely dirty. I mean, I scrubbed my skin for weeks to the point that I would I looked like I I had carpet burns on my arms because you're trying to wash like you sweat off of you. Like, you don't want that. And you can't.
Have a smell. I mean, there's still smells that I will smell that will remind me of that moment that will make me wanna throw up because your body remembers it. Right? So after that moment happened, my mom my mom, that very next week, called the youth pastor and said, you gotta come talk too long because something's wrong. We need to something is really wrong with her.
She's not talking. She's become very isolated. She's just not opening up and something happened. She's not herself. She called the music manager, he said, No, she was fine, we were rehearsing, everything was great, we didn't sing one song.
Everything was fine and she just let me talk to her. Then my mom would go, hey, he wants to talk to you, then I would take the phone and he would say to me, are you ready to be a good girl? Then I would go, yes sir, give the phone back. Because remember what we will do to your mom, right? Now then it was just a threat.
Later, because I was trafficked for almost six years, later I really saw what they do to girls. That threat that they make, it's not an empty threat, and this is not to scare anybody, it's just to show how evil these people are and that they don't play around. I mean, they will do anything to protect what they've built, you know, and the rings that they've established and their power and their authority. They're not gonna want anybody to be a whistleblower in in their operations or their organisation.
Speaker 1: They don't want anybody surviving it and going to tell people.
Speaker 0: Absolutely not, no. No. They would rather you die in it, blame it on drugs, and you'd be out of it, and keep you in that life forever, and then in return, you becoming a recruiter for them and a madam. Of course, because that's how
Speaker 1: you get out of being raped.
Speaker 0: Correct. You allow other girls to be raped.
Speaker 1: Yes. You'll do anything to make it stop.
Speaker 0: Correct. Yes. So, three months from the first assault to the next one was about three months when he when he raped me again.
Speaker 1: Did you did you keep rehearsing? Were you around him again?
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he didn't do anything?
Speaker 0: No. Just be good. You're going have a career. You'll do great. We're going have a great career for you.
Speaker 1: So, you almost think that it's done. Right. Like, you don't really think it's going to happen again and Yes.
Speaker 0: Like, you're have a great career, we have this keep our little secret, We have got this new contract for you, and we've got this clothing endorsement for you, and look at this diamond ring that got sponsored for you that you're going to wear at shows. Just keep our little secret. We're going be fine. And then the second rape happened, which that wasn't even at a warehouse space. He just pulled the car over in an alley.
Speaker 1: So he was driving you to a rehearsal again? Yes.
Speaker 0: Because now my mom trusts him, right? Yeah. Because he took me, everything was fine, right? Yeah. Okay.
Right. And then that just turned into he was the main and then it became a weekly thing. And he was the main person who would first assault me. When you go through that constant series of being raped, disconnect with your body, you disassociate with your body, and you just survive the moment. So there's no physical response from you.
You're just a body that's there. And that's the only way that you can survive that, right?
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, I remember when my mother died, was like that I had to disassociate from my body. I couldn't be physically present in the moment because the agony The pain. The pain was just unbearable.
Speaker 0: And how does your brain make sense of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I remember driving behind the hearse to the graveyard where she was going to be cremated and thinking, mean, I'm following my mother's body to go and watch her burn. Like, it's just you have to disassociate because you just can't be it's too much to be present in that moment. Can't it. Us for
Speaker 0: that, alright? There's no compartment in our brains that God made for suffering like this, that He made for death, that He made for rape. It's not there. But there is a mechanism for us to disassociate, for us to go into a survival mode, praise God, because I don't think we would survive the things that we have survived if that wasn't in there.
Speaker 1: Right? But the one thing I I want to understand from you is, you know, for me, it was so chaotic because it was a mob, you know, and there were so many men, and I was being beaten and, you know, everything at the same time. It was so violent. It was so violent. But when I
Speaker 0: I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Speaker 1: No. It it's it's okay. I just I I just remember though that when there was a moment when I knew that I had a chance to live, that was the moment when the fear really set in, and I couldn't bear the thought of going back because I was just, you know, hand away from being dragged back into the mob. For me, when I listen to you and I I think about the fact that you would go again and again and again. You'd be away from him, and then you walk back into it.
How did you do that?
Speaker 0: By disassociating, by not being who you are, by losing your identity as a person.
Speaker 1: Because you knew, right? At a certain point, when he was doing it all the time
Speaker 0: I was expecting it. Yeah. Yeah. After about the third time, I was expecting that this was going to happen. But make no mistake, the threats didn't stop.
And then he would share stories with me with, well we know this, I have this other artist that I'm managing and she spoke up, and I paid a visit to her mom in the middle of the night with a nine millimeter weapon. Yeah. So make no mistake, and she's back in line. She's a good girl, and you'll meet her soon. You'll meet her soon.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And it was almost about a year into this whole ordeal when I got to meet some of the other girls that were in this trafficking ring with me. And it was at a very prestigious event place in South Africa, and we were all invited to go to the greenhouse as like the oh, the the green room was the penthouse. Sorry. The penthouse was the green room for everybody, for all the artists. And these were all artists.
Some of them were models. Some of them were groups, duo groups, band, and then individual artists, and I was not the youngest one there.
Speaker 1: You were 12 and you were not the youngest?
Speaker 0: I was 13 at this point. Yeah, was not the Yeah, so there was a nine year old girl.
Speaker 1: No. No, I don't go.
Speaker 0: Laura, we're not talking about this is not the slums in the ghetto. This is extremely wealthy, penthouse suite, men who have established themselves as financial moguls, as big corporate owners, as CEOs of companies, of entertainment companies, heads of record companies, A and R folks, marketing, you name it, anything in industry were there, including up and coming artists or people that they want to sign, you name it. But every single one of those adult men had been corrupted to partake in this trafficking ring, and then they would just cherry pick or they would assign you a number and draw it out of a hat. Are you serious? Yes.
Speaker 1: So okay. Wait. You have to take me through that. So so you would go to events. Would it be an event?
Yes. So you'd be
Speaker 0: booked to sing. I have a two hour concert that I will be doing that will be split up into thirty minute segments. Two of those will be mine. It's shared with other artists. You have this many songs that you've rehearsed.
Here's the whole concert, but but all of the artists together make up like a three hour show. Right? Yeah. So everybody has their parts that they're going to do. So you are a group together that is performing at this event.
Mom comes with you, he says, hey, listen, you guys go and enjoy, we have this whole spread for all of the parents that are here, go eat your food, we're going to take all the artists for a quick photoshoot upstairs, we've got a green room for them, come upstairs, all the artists go up, all the managers go up, A and R photographers, you name it goes into this room, and then very quickly that room is sucked dry and only left with the people who are there to have sex with kids and the photographers leave, the makeup artists leave, but they all know what's going on. I mean, I can't believe it. It doesn't take three hours, it takes thirty minutes. Are you serious? They will pick a child, they will have sex, and you'll be on stage in forty five minutes.
Over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: And I go, I can't
Speaker 0: believe it. And then, they will assign you a nickname, which to be honest with you, and this is going to sound really bad, when they gave me my nickname, it kind of helped me.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, I know why it
Speaker 0: helped you. Because now I wasn't Ilongka anymore.
Speaker 1: No, no, you had a new identity.
Speaker 0: She was doing this. Yes. And then guilt set in because now it's, oh, now I'm allowing this. And look at these young girls. Now I'm allowing it.
Speaker 1: You know how incredible it is what you say there because I've done a lot of work with child soldiers and, you know, Islamic caliphate and cubs of the caliphate and all the rest of it. And when I was with Joseph Kone Kone's some of his child soldiers in Uganda and Central African Republic. One of the things that they told me about I spoke to some boys, three boys who had escaped or been rescued, and one of the things that they told me about was how, you know, first you would be kidnapped from your villages, from your parents, from your families, and, of course, they they make you do these terrible things that, like, a child escapes, if it's a brother or a sister or whatever, then they make the kids or if they catch that person, they make the kids kill them, right, that other child. Yes. And they'll make them, like, bite them to death with their teeth, so they'll tear off the flesh with their teeth, this kind of thing.
Right? But what they do is once you've done a number of you've been involved in a number of different things and they know that you're ready, then Joseph Coney, the head of the army, will hold a ceremony, and in that ceremony, what will he do? You'll be given a new name. So, you're essentially given a new identity, and what that does is for these kids, they cannot reconcile what they've done and who they've become with who they were. So, the purpose of giving you this new identity, they all said, once you have your new identity, now you settle into the role because the more you hurt, the more you kill, the more you rape, you know, and all the rest of it, the higher you rise.
So, you're being recognized and rewarded in this system. Yes. You become more powerful. Yep. Of course, this is
Speaker 0: like the girls who become the more you the more you participate, the bigger gigs you get, the more money you make. As a 14 year old, I would make, back then there was a lot of money, anywhere from 6,000 to R8,000 for singing three songs. That's not because of my talent, and I didn't keep all that, by the way, because I take the majority of it.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with transgenderism, it's the dead naming, that whole thing that that person you were becomes dead and you get this new And you're
Speaker 0: new person. What does that remind you of? It reminds you of the Bible, when God says you lay the old down, you become a new person when you surrender your life.
Speaker 1: Being reborn.
Speaker 0: Yes. When he says, Nothing of your past, I will recognize. I do not look at anything that you have done or any of your sin. I'm going look at you as a new creation in Christ. So it's the enemy taking a biblical principle and he's inserting it into a very evil trafficking man like the boys of Burma, like these boys, and just twisting it a little bit.
It's still truth, but they're twisting it a little bit and making it their own new truth instead of what it's supposed to be, but it did. It helped me survive all of that.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so you were essentially raped constantly for almost six years.
Speaker 0: Yes, so now in my mind, when I think of being raped, my mind goes to the first three, four offenses of when it happened. Then my mind would shift to what I allowed. I made a decision to allow that to keep my mom safe, to keep my brother safe, and to go along with it. Now, was I participating in it in a pleasurable way? No, because these were adult men and I was 12 and 13 and 14 and 15.
The longer it went on, the more I saw of what they would do to girls who would speak out. One girl's body was brutally mutilated because she would sweat on a very well known She would sweat? She would sweat when he would, yeah, have sex with her. And he didn't like that? No.
So, he had her sweat glands removed, which mutilated her body convinced her parents to do it, which mutilated her body because you can't do that, your body naturally wants to sway it, right? And she still struggles with that.
Speaker 1: She survived? Yes. You still talk to her?
Speaker 0: I don't talk to her very often because she's not where I am in my healing. It's very difficult for her. PTSD is different for people. Some people heal to a place where I am and you are to where we can openly talk about it, and some people want to forget it and never go back to any of that.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that had her sweat glands removed. Yeah. Some of
Speaker 0: them have committed suicide since then. At least three that I know of have committed suicide because the weight of it is too much. South Africa is a secret society. South Africa is not like America where celebrate hardship, and if someone goes through recovery, that we celebrate their recovery and the underdog. We like the underdog in America.
That's not in South Africa. It's survival of the fittest. You pull yourself up with your bootstraps, you don't share your dirty laundry in public, and you move on. Yeah. Know?
Yeah. Don't let the grass grow under your feet, go make something of your life, right? But that mentality is something, unfortunately, that a lot of girls cannot carry the weight of that they can't carry, and often suicide is an option. I understand that because at 25, I attempted suicide because of the same reason. I get that.
I want
Speaker 1: to talk about that, but I just need your help in understanding this. I'm still trying to imagine these events. Would you be raped before you went out on stage?
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah, sometimes minutes before. Minutes before? Yeah, depending on where the ratio was from green room to the stage, right? So if you had a green room that was literally adjacent to the stage, I could be raped right there and then would announce my name ten minutes later and I have to go on stage.
Speaker 1: And while your parents are at the event?
Speaker 0: Sitting in the audience. Jakus sitting, not even 30 feet from me, around the corner. Them thinking that I went this way to go and get on stage and they would have somebody waiting for me who they made a deal with. And it could be things like, hey, this person is giving us mineral rights to a mine, that the CEO who you signed the agreement with this entertainment company has made a trade deal with, so you are his gift tonight.
Speaker 1: You are his gift.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You never present it as a whore or a slut or they will name you that if you go against them, you start bucking the system. They will do name calling or the first offenses that are very brutal and very violent, but later on you are not, you are a gift to them. It's always you are a gift to them, you are a present to them, you are somebody very special to them that they are going to see tonight. You are like a jewel to them, you're going to be their jewel tonight, okay?
Don't ask names, don't ask questions, some you're not allowed to look them in the eye, some want to talk to you, some you're allowed to talk to, some want to know what kind of bunnies and stuffed animals you like. I mean it's weird, Laura, it's very strange, because these are sick men that have fetishes to have sex with kids and some of them want to know innocent things and some want to have girls that look like boys because they're really pedophiles and they want have sex with boys, and some of them want to have girls that are a little bit more chunky, you know, or have more protruding facial expressions or or you have to say certain things to them while they're raping you. Sick.
Speaker 1: I I I am just absolutely stunned that this can be so quick that it can be going on over three hours while there's a concert happening. That this whole audience is out there watching this concert
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And they have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 0: But I want you to see how well orchestrated it is. Yes. Think about the logistics of this. K? Yes.
You have more than nine kids 18 that's performing. You have all of their parents that has have chaperoned them. Okay? All of them are dressed to the nines. You know, in South Africa, we're really dressed to go on stage.
All of them are dressed to go on stage. Right? So the optics of how calculated the logistics of that is do you know how many people are involved to pull that off?
Speaker 1: A lot.
Speaker 0: Who are not going to say things, whose silence has been bought?
Speaker 1: It's rings of people. I just can't believe that they can keep it so quiet.
Speaker 0: Well, they don't always keep it quiet. Like a maid spoke out once and said, this is wrong and I'm going to call the police and she was strangled. I mean, they don't play, Laura. They don't care if they kill you, kill your family, they will protect what they've built at any cost because this is this goes way back to a very old mentality thinking of there are individuals that believe that there should not be an age of consent at all, right like Nambler. We should get rid of the age of consent period, and kids are sexual from birth, like Kinsey believed and like Hugh Hefner believed.
Kids should be able to have sex with with men, women, whoever they want to, and it should just be a free for all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The UN just came up with the sexual rights of the child. They have a charter for the sexual rights of the child, the
Speaker 0: United was tables I don't know if you've seen table 34 from Alfred Kinsey in his book, The Sexual Revolution of a Man. That is him taking notes from a pedophile, raping a child and saying that that child was sexual from birth.
Speaker 1: It's just I know you mentioned NAMBA, that's the North American Man Boy Love Association that's been around since the seventies. It's just on the one hand, I mean, this is not my first rodeo, it's not like I'm new to the subject, but on the other hand, it's like you almost can't even process that there I understand that evil people exist or that there are damaged people, but to have ordinary people that actually just believe, like a Kinsey, that actually just believe that a child is sexual from birth. Right.
Speaker 0: Because he was a pedophile
Speaker 1: himself. This is just is absolute on one level, it's just absolute and utter sheer insanity.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And we think that it is always done in secret, it's not, because if you and I feel the same on a moral issue with two people, if we can get someone else here to feel the same as us is three, and that's how they build their organizations and their groups, right? It's a mentality, it's a mindset, it's a very faulty, very sick mindset, but it is a mindset and Yes. A lot of wives go along with this. It's not always that the wives don't know.
In some aspects, it is the wives that are the ones that want this. You know, that either wanna be swingers and they themselves have a tendency to want younger boys under 18. It's sick, Laura. It's it's it's very sick. But it it's a very damaging thing because it it destroys the human spirit.
It makes you feel unvalued that no one is going to be able to love you in life. Because how is a girl like me supposed to go on and get married? And then explain that. But how is
Speaker 1: a girl like you supposed to want to have sex with anyone? Right. I mean, what did
Speaker 0: you do about having with Yes, but didn't want to have sex with anybody. So, at almost 18 years old, there was a moment, there was a very clear defining moment in my trafficking story. Manager wanted to have sex with me again. Now when I The same manager. Same same manager.
So when when I started being introduced to all these other men Yeah. From, like, CEOs and from record companies, and they would have sex with me, my manager didn't have sex with me as much, right, because I was now traded out too, and they would make deals, money deals and, you know, entertainment deals and touring deals, and then I would be the gift, right? To make the trade. So he didn't have sex with me as much, but I hated him. I couldn't stand him because he was the only one that was that violent with me.
None of the other men were violent like that. They rape you, but they're not, at least with me, it wasn't violent, right? He was violent. He pulled part of my hair out. I mean, was very, very, very violent, and I hated him.
Like, to my core, I hated him, but I also knew that he was my protection within the trafficking ring. So try to wrap your head around that Stockholm Syndrome. Awful. Like, I hate you, but you're also the person that's going to make sure that if any of these men because there are rules, right? Yeah.
If they pimp you, there's rules. They're not allowed to do certain things with you, and if they step out of line, then there are security guards and bouncers that take care of them. Unbelievable. Yeah, so they protect you but
Speaker 1: they sell Unbelievable.
Speaker 0: Your brain can't. You protect me but you sell You write me but you sell me but you protect me.
Speaker 1: So you need them Right.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: You need them because all these other men are unknowns.
Speaker 0: Right. But you hate them too.
Speaker 1: But you hate them too because of what they're doing to you. Right. And but okay. So this is maybe a crazy question, but I'm just trying to get my head around, what do you do? Like, how
Speaker 0: do you react to them? To these men? Yeah. You do as you're told? Like, if it is that they want you to repeat a certain phrase, you're so strong, for instance.
You're such a strong man. This is number fifty, sixty, 70, what's that going to do if you scream?
Speaker 1: Is it harder to be silent or to have to participate?
Speaker 0: Whatever they told me to do, I did, or whatever they needed me to say, I would say, and then for a rest of it, I would just be quiet because I didn't feel like I could fight. What am I going to fight? I'm going to fight him and then he's going to kill my mom. Unbelievable. I just I so wish that I never would have believed that lie.
Because if I had spoken up that very, very, very first day, Laura, this is my biggest regret. If I had said something that very first day, none of the rest would have happened. You don't know that. You don't know that. My mom, she's a protector, Lara.
Speaker 1: They could have killed your mom.
Speaker 0: But he could have been arrested too. But you don't know? Right.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can't go back in time. And you were 12. Mhmm. I mean, you're just a child.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You know? It's a very it's a heavy unfortunate reality to carry.
Speaker 1: There's so many people carrying that reality. That's the incredible part. You look at the scale of trafficking today and all of these industries and all of those evil people that you said they find each other, now they find each other all over the world through technology.
Speaker 0: It's not a localized trafficking in South Africa touches America. America's trafficking touches South Africa touches Dubai. I was almost sold to Dubai twice in the scheme of these entertainment companies. These are global entertainment companies. They're not just localized in South Africa.
Speaker 1: Did you girls were they boys too, was it all girls?
Speaker 0: I was just with girls. I never had a no, mine was just with girls.
Speaker 1: But did you talk to each other?
Speaker 0: Yes, we knew each other very well. And so did you share Because we all moved together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see.
Speaker 0: So once they have a group together that works well, they would book you together to do shows.
Speaker 1: And so this child that was nine? Mhmm. Did you talk to
Speaker 0: You know, she was the shortest lived child that I saw, and I have no idea what happened to her. I don't know what happened to her. I saw her maybe for a span of, I don't know, five, six months or something at events, and then she just disappeared out of the group. Wow. It could be from I can only imagine the trauma to her body.
You know? I don't know how you hide trauma like that with a nine year old child, how you can do that. Because I know what I felt like and what physically my body felt like. That goes beyond my brain even trying to understand.
Speaker 1: And would they keep you after it?
Speaker 0: The physical trauma. It was mainly it was at events, right? Mhmm. Parties before events or parties after events. Then you would go sing, and my mom would be there and Jakku would be there.
Jakku was in most of all my performances because my mom heavily relied on him sometimes to drive me or bring me back or stay depending on her work schedule. And then you would go home. I was never trafficked, I want people to understand this, I was never trafficked across a border. I was raped and sent home, but they bought my silence through fear. Unbelievable.
And that is the reality of trafficking in America. This is how you can have your next door neighbor be in a trafficking ring, but she's your next door neighbor every day, and you see her. My friends at school had no idea. They thought I was living the life. You're singing and you were just on the radio this morning and we all heard you.
Speaker 1: You're famous. This is so cool. You get
Speaker 0: in to do all this stuff and you have this secret that is bigger than a house that is looming over you and you're like, I'm only Elanka at school. I'm not Elanka with them. What was your nickname? It was Cookie Shoes.
Speaker 1: I was Cookie Shoes. Yep.
Speaker 0: That was my nickname. Or they would just call me Cookie for short.
Speaker 1: And your mother and Jakku didn't notice?
Speaker 0: Mom knew that something was wrong with me. I mean, she took me to psychiatrists, to therapists, she had me put on sleep therapy for a week to figure out, and I had multiple psychiatrists sitting to me saying, Just talk to us. And I would just sit there in silence, and go, There is no way that I am uttering a word of this to you. So then what happened? Because what could happen to my family?
So there was this moment where this manager who actually had gotten jealous of of these other men having sex with me, and he wanted to have sex with me. Right? And it was before my eighteenth birthday, and I fought. I just thought, if I die today, so help me God, if I die today, I'll die today. Today, you will not touch me.
You will not touch me. I had a very, very expensive nightgown on with the straps were filled with jewels, you know, and my hair and makeup was done and everything, and he he grabbed my dress when I said no, and he ripped he ripped the dress, right, which you can imagine, jewelry everywhere. And then he grabbed my hair and flung me to the ground and started dragging me by my hair, and I just fought. I fought, kicked, screamed, scratched, you know, just fighting. Just fighting back, like really, really, really, really fighting back.
And
Speaker 1: And now you're almost 18. You're not 12 anymore.
Speaker 0: Correct. I'm stronger. You know, I'm I'm more to his height, and the door opened up and an off duty police officer who was moonlighting as a security guard, new person there at this casino, knocked on my door to tell me that they were running a little bit ahead on schedule and he needed me to go on stage, that they were ready for me to start the show. Wow. And he walked into my nose bleeding, my lip bleeding, and me on the floor, and there's jewels everywhere, and I am half naked, and this guy is dragging me and beating me.
And he intervened, just what any cop would do if he saw an event like that because I was still a minor. And he got him off of me, then the two of them got into a fist fight. Wow. The ex manager broke free and ran out of the green room, the dressing room, and the police officer pursued him, and he got off the premises. I've never seen him since that day.
Speaker 1: Elke, this is like a movie. Yeah. I mean, this is literally like a movie.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You can't believe it. You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 1: It's yeah. This is why they say life is stranger than fiction. Yes.
Speaker 0: If people will tell the truth, really what
Speaker 1: If people will tell the truth. Yeah.
Speaker 0: And so, I got myself together and didn't know what was you know, I didn't perform that night. I wouldn't do it. I just wanted to go home, you know? Yes. And then I can remember being in the parking lot with all of my gear because I had a ton of equipment, toys with me, and I thought, I can't go home.
What am I going to tell my mom? What am going to say? Look at me, I'm bleeding, what am I going to I can't say I fell, I've got scratch marks all over me, you know, and I was heavily smoking at the time. I smelled like smoke. Don't want to be here.
But I had a hotel room the night at this hotel, I thought, I'm going stay. So I stayed, and then the next morning, I called a taxi. Now, can you imagine this, for my eighteenth birthday, and I had thousands of rand with me because I got paid. He wasn't there so they gave me the money. I thought, I'm just not going to go home.
So I asked a taxi driver, left all my gear, made an arrangement for them to keep my gear, and I took a taxi to a coffee shop. I said, Just take me to the closest coffee shop in this area. Do you remember Secunda? Mhmm. I was in Secunda.
Speaker 1: That's a remote area. Yep. There's almost nothing there.
Speaker 0: It's about 200 miles away from my home. I said, Take me to a closed coffee shop, please. And they said, well, there's no coffee shop, you know, because coffee shops wasn't a thing back then. No. But there's a there's a restaurant.
And so I went to the restaurant, and remember they used to have, like, poster boards in restaurants where you can, like, put your business card or something.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And there was an ad for a couple who was renting a room. And so I called them and said that I was 18, that I had recently gotten a job in this town, and that I needed a place to stay, that I have money. And I said, but I need somebody to pick me up, please. The wife came and she picked me up and I went and lived in their house. I can't believe it.
Broke all contact with my mom. Did you just disappear? Just disappeared and ran away. Almost a year for a long time. How long?
For almost a year.
Speaker 1: It's a time. Almost a year. They had no idea where you were. And that was when your brother, Jakob, was
Speaker 0: looking for They knew my last location was in Secunda.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 0: And then mom started looking for me and then calling places. And somebody recognized me. And then she called Yako because Yako was in college. Jakob was an avid rugby player. He was on his way to play for Transvaal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is one of the biggest rugby states in South Yeah.
Speaker 0: Extremely talented rugby player.
Speaker 1: It would be like playing on your way to play NFL football Yeah. In this country.
Speaker 0: But in the meantime, I went back to the entertainment buyers who I knew, called them, and said, I don't know what happened to my manager because they canceled every he canceled all of my touring my touring dates. Got canceled. Like, you talk about like in a day where you have a whole year touring canceled. No income, no shows coming up, album that I was supposed to record is not gonna happen. They're not calling me back.
I can't make contact with anyone, and I got in touch with one of the CEOs of the entertainment companies who would book me, kinda like Alive Nations. And I just said, I wanna make my own deal. I'm almost 18, I want to cut my own deal to continue touring and to continue playing. And he said to me, well, you know that's going to cost you. And I said, I know.
I know how you guys play this game, I know. Okay, great. So do you want to meet? And he said, yes. And he came in and he met me at that same casino and we made a deal for me to keep touring.
And that was the one and only time that I ever sold myself to make that deal and to continue touring. It was shortly after that, not even two months after that, Yaku, they found me, and my mom called Yaku at college and said, you're going to take a friend of yours. You guys, I can't go. You're going to have to go. You're going to have to go get her.
You're going to have to go get her.
Speaker 1: And he
Speaker 0: did? Yes. What did you do? Yes. When he showed up, convinced my mom to go.
My mom came, and I knew they were coming because the lady whose house I was waiting, they called her. She said, Hey, I don't know what's going on, but I just want to give you a heads up that your mom knows where you are, and I don't know if they're you just need to know. I don't want to be in your business, but you just need to know. So she came, and I opened the door, and she looked at me and she said, You don't have to tell me anything. I'm just glad that you're alive and I'm glad to see you and I want you to come home.
Please come home. That's it. I said, I can't come home. I have a gig in Zimbabwe that I am contracted to play. You all just need to go back, just leave me here, and she said, There's not a chance.
And Jakku said, I drag you to the car by your feet if I need to take you. You are coming with us. And I said, No, I'm not. I have to leave here in a couple of hours and drive to Zimbabwe.
Speaker 1: Which is the neighboring country.
Speaker 0: Yep. And he said, Well then I'm taking you. And they had no notice, So the friend had to get him a ride back to Joburg because he had to go back to college. Jakob didn't even go back to campus, he drove me to Zimbabwe, over the border, went to this event that I had to play at, played this event, and at this point, because I was out of the trafficking ring Mhmm. My gigs after that weren't sex riddled.
It was I would go do a gig, I would get paid, and that was it. After that one moment of cutting this deal, I was out of the circle because the manager went, Am I? He was just gone. And even the CEO didn't even know where he was.
Speaker 1: And the police didn't follow-up?
Speaker 0: Couldn't find him. Oh. Yeah, I gave a police statement, could not find him. But here's a beautiful memory that I have of Jakku. When he drove me to that gig, I played the gig and I sang and I got paid, and it was a nice event.
There were tennis courts, and I didn't know really what to say to him, and he didn't know what to say to me. What do you say? Your sister has been gone for so long. What do you say? My mom is just thankful that I'm there and she's loving on me and she's just glad I'm there.
Yaku looked at me and he said, Hey, you want to play some tennis? Because we both love and play tennis. And I said, Yeah, sure. And he walked me to the He never asked me what happened, but he played tennis with me for three solid hours till, like, four in the morning. And he said, I just wanna be here with you.
For six years apart, There's not much you have in common with a sibling that you're six years apart.
Speaker 1: You're a 17 year old sister and you're like 23, 20 four.
Speaker 0: Now, I don't wanna know why you ran. I just Let's just play. Let me just be here with you. He drove us back to my real house, to my mom's home in Joburg, and then my mom said to me, You've always wanted to go to America. There's a position in Nashville that's open.
I want to take you. You want to pursue songwriting and music and you're so talented, please let me take you. And it was mom's attempt to get us out of South Africa, but it was also her Hail Mary, I want to rescue you. I want to get you away from this place.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing she knew how to do, was just to take you away from it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You know? And she never asked. She never she said, I won't because I didn't want to go there. We moved to Nashville in 02/2001, and I very quickly married a guy who was a good friend that I made, an American boy.
I still feel the same way about him today as I felt back then. We were married for five years, and five years into our marriage, I signed another record deal in Nashville. I was busy going with the record company through song selections and all of this stuff, and I heard two individuals having a conversation about the Man Boy Love Association. I thought they were talking about me, because I didn't understand what the Nambler was, right? I said they were talking about men having sex with kids and how evil that is and everything, why don't kids just speak up?
And they were just talking, and I was listening to this conversation while I was trying to pay attention to what was going on with all these songs that we had to pick, and something like a light switch just flipped in me. I can't explain it. It was almost like everything had been building up in my body and I couldn't hold it anymore, and I started crying standing there. And then the record company head said, well, are you okay? And I said, no.
I I need to go. I need to go. So I left the record company, cried all the way back home to who who's now my ex husband, but went home. Got home, and I said, you have to call my mom. There's something that I have to tell y'all.
And he said, no, you're going to tell me. And I was standing in the kitchen and I just kind of vomited in my mind what happened to me in South Africa. Basically told him that I had lied about being a virgin when we were married, which I was not in the least, that I wasn't the person that he married, which I did. I completely fabricated an entire story for myself because why would I not? I was called by that name for so many years.
It's easier to do that than to be transparent in who you are. And he looked at me and he took his wedding ring off and he handed it to me. And he said, I will not be married to a liar. You've lied our entire marriage. And he filed for divorce in weeks.
That was the first time that I shared what happened. So, there's truth in that statement of, oh, they're not going to believe you or are you going to be in trouble? It takes a very specific person to be able to hold that kind of information and a story for you, to hold space for you. God bless him, he just didn't have that.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 0: And it was just too much. Then my mom came over and she was like, Well, what's going on now? And he said, Well, why don't you let her tell you? She said, you know what, why don't you call her brothers? They need to hear this because you're not going believe what she did to me.
Speaker 1: What she did to me?
Speaker 0: I sat so I'm very musical, always have a lot of gear in studios and so bunch of Fender amps, guitar setting. I sat on a Fender amp and Jakku walked in and he sat on the couch and he's like, What's going on? Why are guys calling me from work? What's going on? And I just shared all of this stuff with me.
And my mom literally, emotionally, and physically crumbled into a ball in front of me. And I've never seen my my brother cry. Yaku sobbed. And I was like, why are they crying? Why?
Don't cry for me. Why are you crying for me? I don't want you to have sympathy for me.
Speaker 1: Because they were there.
Speaker 0: Because they were there. I didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: And they didn't they didn't stop it. Mhmm. They didn't protect you.
Speaker 0: But they would have though.
Speaker 1: I know. I know, but why did they cry? Because they didn't protect you. Because they couldn't bear it, to know that you went through so much pain.
Speaker 0: And it broke it broke my brother. Yeah. It broke my mom. Yeah. My younger brother, who I was really close with, he just wanted to hug me.
He's like, can I just sit next to you? And I was like, don't touch me. I don't want any I want gone. I want to leave. I don't want the tears, I don't want the sympathy, I just wanted to leave.
And that's when I attempted suicide because I couldn't sustain dealing with the weight of their emotion when I couldn't even deal with my own emotion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and having to relive it. Right. Right? I mean, you were running from it. You ran from it when you ran from your family, and then you ran from South Africa, and then it caught up with you because you can't escape.
Speaker 0: You cannot run from your past. Can't run from You can't do it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't No,
Speaker 0: it doesn't. So, the divorce happened, praise God I didn't die, you know? Went into psychiatric hospital for two weeks, they pumped my stomach, drank pills, drove over my beetle bug, took any pills that I could find that was prescription, my mom's prescriptions, ex husband's prescriptions, just prescriptions I had no prescriptions because I wasn't sick, but I just took prescriptions and dumped them in my lap and ate them like candy and started feeling very delusional. I called the record company who I was assigned to, who's now my husband Bill, by the way, he called me to check-in on me because I'd left and disappeared and just never went back. He thought I was drunk because I was slurring my words.
Wow. And he said, Where are you? And I was like, I don't know. I'm I don't know. He said, Well, do you think you could maybe if I send you somewhere, do you think maybe you can get checked out just so we can make sure that you're okay?
And it was to the hospital and the closest hospital was Centennial Hospital, which is close to Vanderbilt. He convinced me and sat on the phone with me and they unvoluntarily admitted me, pumped my stomach, and then I went into the psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a time when you were running through the traffic,
Speaker 0: Jaco Yes. I'll tell you about that. Yep. That was my second suicide attempt. What happened?
This was probably I'm making my time right. This was year and a half after the first attempt.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Right? I started trauma therapy in Nashville. If you signed in Nashville, Music Cares, the Grammy organization, Music Cares will pay for your therapy. There was a trauma therapist, Porter's Call in Franklin, that I started doing therapy with and through Music Cares that would pay for my therapy because it's so expensive. It's like 150 an hour or 200 an hour for trauma therapy.
But when you first start walking through trauma therapy, it's very difficult to self identify as a victim because you don't want to be seen as a victim. You want to be the strong individual. You had
Speaker 1: to be to survive it.
Speaker 0: Right. But when they start pulling on that thread that you are a victim, it's undoing to your soul.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: It's very undoing and it's very exposing and you don't know how you should feel and you're exhausted and you want to sleep all the time after therapy. I started dating Bill, and Bill said to me, because Bill's been a believer since he was 17, and I was raised in church, but my mind couldn't understand how can the God of the universe be here and all of this stuff happened to me. There's a disconnect. This cannot be right. Maybe God wasn't there for me, he was there for other people, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Of course, when you go through all of that,
Speaker 0: of course, question And so, he came to me and he said, listen, a very good friend of mine called, he's a pastor in Franklin, and he invited us to come to church. And I laughed at him, I'm like, you're kidding, right? I'm like, I'm not gonna go to church. Do I look like a church I am not a church person. I don't go to church.
I know God's there, but I in the sky. I don't go to church. I wear miniskirts and push up bras and don't go to church, you know? Don't ask me to go to church with you. And he's like, we're going to church.
And I'm like, I'm not going to church. I've gone through a divorce. You've gone through a divorce. You're older than me. I'm not going to church.
He's like, We're going to church. So I went to church in fishnet stockings and a miniskirt with my hair as big as to to a Presbyterian church, mind you. Not even to an Episcopal or United Methodist. That at least would have been like, Yay, celebrate you. No, it was like a Presbyterian church.
We walked in and the pastor met us and he said, Hey, I'm Scott. And I'm a singer songwriter too, I'm a pastor here, I'm so glad you're here and listen, we want you to sit up front so you can pay attention. And I was like, okay. And we walked to the front and a lady by the name of Jane Haynes, and I talk about her in my book, she came up to me and she said, You're not American, are you? And I said, No, I'm South African.
She said, You know what, you look like a lot of fun. Why don't you come and sit next to me because I like to have fun? And I said, Okay, okay, I'll sit next to you. But sitting in that church that day, I heard Scotty Smith, who is a very well known pastor in Franklin who has served the music community for many, many, many years, well respected pastor. He started talking about the man named Jesus who is the person of grace, who presents you with grace, who says, whatever you've been through, I've got the salve and the sap for your life.
No matter what you've gone through, I will meet you as a friend, That there is a million ways to come to Jesus, but one way to the Father. And I didn't understand that. And I wanted it. I was like, this man sounds amazing. I would love to have a friend like that.
I want to have a friend that looks at me and says, I don't want anything from you, I don't expect anything from you, you don't have to have sex with me, you don't even have to say anything if you don't want to. We can just sit here and I'm still going to love you and like you. I didn't like myself, I didn't even know how I liked eggs up until I was 28 years old, because I was so removed from the person, from my own body. And we left the church and I felt all the guilt and the shame coming up in me, and that I'm never going to be able to get where that pastor was talking about. I'm never going to be able to meet that Jesus and have that friend in my life.
We got to Bill's house, I got into a massive argument with him because when you go through high tea trauma, it's very difficult to cry, and you have to expel a lot of energy or create these massive dramatic moments to be able to cry, right? And I wanted to cry but I couldn't, so if I fought with him, then I could cry. Yes. Right? So I picked a fight with him and I started fighting with him and I took a walking stick that he had made when he was in high school that he crafted, God bless him, it's still broken, and I smashed his windows in of his sports car.
I smashed the whole thing, like a crazy girl that has lost her mind, because that's really who I was. I tore my church dress and I took off running into the streets. He lived on a busy road, hoping that a car would hit me because I didn't want to live. I really just didn't want live. You were running right into the traffic?
Yep, and Bill tackled me. Tackled me, lifted me up like he would lift up a child and he carried me in my Victoria's Secrets back into the house. And he sat me in the foyer, he told the neighbors to stop looking and he closed the door and he knelt next to me and he put his hand on my back and I was sobbing and he said, Lord, I don't know what else to do for her. Have you ever been in a situation like that, Laura, when you've had a person in your life where you're like, I don't know how to help this person. I pray, I give them resources, I send them to therapy, I pay for it, I give and I give, but nothing's changing, and that's where I was.
Bill got up to make sure that the neighbors really were just not walking over calling the police. This is just how it happened for me, Laura. It's different for everybody, heard, Bill walked away, I audibly heard, God call my name. And he just said, Elanco, why will you not cry to me? Why will you not ask me to help you?
You've tried the book The Secret, you've tried positive thinking, you've tried all this Chromotherapy,
Speaker 1: all this stuff.
Speaker 0: Sleep therapy, all of it. Why will you not turn to me? And I said, in arrogance but also in extreme desperation, if you are the Jesus that that pastor was talking about today, then come into this house. Come to me. And please come and help me.
And don't send some mystical angel thing because that's just going to scare me. Why do say that? I don't know why I said that, but just come help. You come. I felt a peace come over me.
Bill came back, got me up, he moved me to the couch, and then he put a blanket over me because I was still just in underwear, just trying to wrap his head around what had just happened, and I fell asleep. He left me to sleep, and I slept for eighteen hours. I'm not someone that sleeps for eighteen hours, but he left me because I think God gave him understanding of how exhausted I was from You'd been fighting since you were 12 years old, since that first rape? Yes. Fighting, fighting, fighting.
Speaker 1: Fighting to stay alive, fighting to stay sane, fighting to stay whole, fighting everything.
Speaker 0: And when I woke up from that, I had zero depression. Now Laura, depression was like a second person that lived with me for twelve years. It was a thing with me. It is really a spirit that goes with you. You feel the weight of it, it lives with you, it talks to you, it never leaves It's right there, the invisible man behind the curtain, it's always there.
I couldn't shake it no matter what I did, but when I woke up after eighteen hours I was like, Oh wow, I felt the way I felt when I was 10. When the sun was shining, I could hear birds outside. So then I walked outside to go and find Bill, and I found Bill, he was working on his car in the driveway, I found him and he kind of stared at me like, What are you getting ready to do?
Speaker 1: He's like, There's nothing left in my sports car, what are
Speaker 0: going to do What are you going to do? I'm like, I'm so sorry about what happened last night, but something happened, I heard a voice, so I think I'm bipolar. I think because I had enough therapy to where you can self diagnose yourself. He's like, What do you mean a voice, Elanco? Do I need to pray?
I'm like, No, actually, I think I heard God call my name, Then I asked him to help me, and Bill grew up baptized and he's like, Well, that sounds like a salvation prayer to me. I'm like, What? You're being Dutch Reformed. We're elect, you know? God elects you.
Reformed church is very different. It's very It's not a salvation prayer, we don't do that. And I'm like, what is that? And he goes, well, that's when you surrender your life to Jesus, and I fell to my knees on the concrete pavement and I pulled him down and I said, can you pray that prayer? Because this is the first day in many years that I actually want to live where I don't want to die.
I don't wake up with thoughts of dying. Can you pray this? He's like, well if you did that, you don't have to do it again. I'm like, pray with me. He's like, Yilan, you don't have to do that.
I'm like, you don't understand. I woke up for more than twelve years wanting to die every day. Today, I don't want to die. Whatever happened in that room last night needs to happen again. You've to pray.
Speaker 1: I don't want to let it go.
Speaker 0: I made him pray with me every day for more than six months because I was clinging like, Don't let go of me. Don't you dare let go of me. Don't you dare let go of me. And then I noticed that I saw trees. You know, Laura, I did not see trees for twelve years.
Why trees? Creation, any creation. I didn't hear birds sing for twelve years. Anything that wasn't directly tied to me surviving like tunnel vision, I didn't see. I didn't see God's creation, didn't notice it, didn't recognize it, didn't hear birds sing.
I heard two birds sing in rhythm and I knew that I'd not heard birds because I'd missed it. Yes. I knew that I'd not seen trees because I'd missed it. I was in such disbelief that I walked to a hundred year oak tree and hugged it because I didn't think it was real, I thought it was crazy. And I told Bill, I'm like, Is that real, that tree?
And he said, Yes. And I'm like, No, it's not. He goes, Lanka, that's a tree. I'm like, I think I'm hallucinating. And I wasn't on drugs or anything.
Touched it and I'm like, it's real, and I'm like, oh, something really did happen. Something really did happen. No, I could not vocalize it to you then, you know, when this happened, when I was in my twenties. Now I can tell you that God changed my mind. He rewired the neurological pathway of my brain to not have depression.
He took that away from me. He removed that spirit from me. He removed the majority of my anxiety from me.
Speaker 1: It's like a demon.
Speaker 0: Oh, absolutely. It's like a demon that lives with you. But, Laura, as a person who was set free that day, there were many things that still had to be changed, that would only come as I started walking up my faith with God, like liking myself. I still didn't like to look at myself in the mirror. I didn't want to know myself.
First time that I sat was like, Five different ways did you make eggs to figure out what kind of eggs I like, you know? And I'm almost 30 and I'm figuring out what kind of eggs I like. It seems bizarre, right? But it's almost like you go back to being the age that you were when you were 12 and then you emotionally grow. Before everything changed.
Because you stopped, your emotional growth stopped when the rape happened. So, you have to go back everything Everything stopped
Speaker 1: when the rape happened. Right.
Speaker 0: And this is why when we talk about harsher punishments for predators, I'm a big advocate for harsher punishments because I'm like, you have to understand that if a child is raped at seven, their emotional growth stops. So if they start trauma therapy at 20, you need to realize that part of that person, even though they're a 20 year old, you're going to have to go back to when they were seven because their body will go back to when they were seven and you're going to have to raise that person up to come alongside the adult now, right? That's in trauma therapy what they do with you, is they go back and they raise up that child to walk along the It took me three years from the time that Jesus saved me to where I could share my story the first time in a very controlled environment, done with questions that were vetted from me and therapists, and it was Scottie Smith who interviewed me. And the very first time I shared my story, I had multiple people lined up who would come and share their secrets, and I had no idea what to do with that, to do with people's hardship, but I really realized that God sent me to The United States to become a missionary.
That's why he allowed for me to come here, so that I could be a missionary to teach others that there's hope and that there's freedom, and that there's freedom in such a way to where you can have ultimate forgiveness for the person who raped you, for the person Lord, I have not an ounce, not one ounce of hate for that man. If he were to walk into this room today, I could look at him and say, What you did to me was very wrong because I was looking for a father, I wasn't looking for what you wanted to give me, but I do hope that you can make your life right with God because even God created you and I have complete forgiveness for the monster that you were in my story, and I don't hate him. Really? No. How does that happen, Lara?
I don't know. How can that happen? Right? Yeah, how can that happen? Because we don't possess the gift of forgiveness.
I can't give forgiveness to myself, I can make myself forgive anybody. Forgiveness is between you and the creator. And it was always a misconception, I thought it was between me and my ex manager. I'm like, God showed me. It's not.
It is a vertical, it's not horizontal, it's a vertical transaction that happens between you and God. He gives you the portion of the forgiveness that you need for that and that flows through you. But it takes a long time to do it because I wasn't ready. I wanted to hate him, I wanted him to be punished.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And every extent of the law, and I still think that he should be punished, that's why I felt yes, and that's why I filed charges against him. I want him to be punished, but in my heart, I don't go to bed at night with unforgiveness and carry that weight with me. I don't want that weight because I have now tasted and I've seen and I've felt what true freedom feels like. There's nothing in your story, no event that has happened to me that I can't go to my best friend, Jesus, and talk to him like he's a friend sitting next to me having a cup of coffee with him and saying, I've got this thing in my life that is bugging me, is a thorn on my side that I can't get rid of and I know you can help me get rid of this. Because I refuse I refuse to be a victim.
I will not go through life being a victim and teaching my kids to be victims. No. I wanted to have a restored marriage, I wanted to have normal sexual relations with my husband, which I do, which I do not cringe off, I do not have to turn the light off. I have a great marriage, I have great intimacy with my husband, we have three beautiful kids that God has placed us with. That's unbelievable.
And that's only because of the power of God.
Speaker 1: That's the light that shines from you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's not me, Laura. I was just willing to say, I'm not going to be a victim. I'm not going to be so comfortable with what I know and be too afraid of the uncomfortable to step into the uncomfortable because people think that counselling and trauma therapy is going to kill you. It's not.
If I can give you an image, it's like walking through a house that is on fire, like every wall is on fire, around you, the floor, everything's on fire, and you have to walk through that fire, but it never burns you, and you make it there. That's what trauma therapy is like. You walk through it and you make it, and you are a much better person, healthier, stronger, part of the one to three percent of people who are like us that can sit here and say, There's hope, there's healing, you don't have to be a victim of the race, you don't have to be a stripper in a strip club, you don't have to sell your body, You can say no. I have done it. There's hope for you.
There's freedom for you.
Speaker 1: See, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 0: This is why we fight.
Speaker 1: I know, but it's just breathtaking, your story and your strength and your beauty. You're so beautiful, but, you know, it's not it's not just that physical beauty, it's that beauty that comes, that shines from within you, that incredible person that you are.
Speaker 0: Well, thank you, Laura. And, you know, the the concept of of of God in healing is not new, right? AANA, higher power. No. All about Underrated.
Right. I can tell Seriously, underrated. But I can tell you this much though, it wasn't until the man and the person that is grace, that is Jesus Christ came into my story that everything worked. Every trauma counselling therapy session that I everything just worked.
Speaker 1: Yes, all these things you tried before that didn't work. Yeah. They don't work on
Speaker 0: their own. Right. Like, The Secret, the book. Is it a bad book? No.
Do I agree with the book? Absolutely not. But is it actually a biblical principle to take your mind captive and to put your mind on positive things in the Bible? Yes, it is. There's actual scriptural truth to that, but God also says this, he says, two Corinthians one:four, I've comforted you, Elongo, and you, Laura, with what you have gone through because you have a calling now to go forth and comfort someone else with what I comforted you from.
We've got to pay it forward. My story is never for me just to hold on and to hold and keep. No. By sharing it, I get to glorify God, first of all, I get to inspire someone else to speak up and let God glorify their story so that they can do the same thing as what I'm doing because they matter to him.
Speaker 1: And you are, you're working with Yako to combat trafficking?
Speaker 0: Absolutely. Fiercely. Yes. I'm the director of advocacy for JBM. Which is Yako Boyne's Ministries.
Yako Boyne's Ministries, yes. I am a staff writer for him, so I write op eds, editorials for different things going on in the country, and everything touches on child protective rights and how how to give parents their rights back and protect kids and keep pornography out of the reach of kids. I've written two Which
Speaker 1: is a big thing Very, very big today with technology and phones and all Yeah.
Speaker 0: I've written two amicus briefs, both at the Supreme Court. The first one was heard arguments were heard in the Free Speech Coalition case versus PACS and AJ PACS of Texas, where the state of Texas said we have to have age verification. We have to have age verification for hardcore porn sites. Yes. And Free Speech Coalition have filed lawsuits all across the nation saying, no, we don't, because minors should have the right to view pornography.
Speaker 1: These people are just evil. They're evil, they really are unspeakable and they have got to I can't believe they can get away with saying they're free speech advocates.
Speaker 0: No, they're not. Not at all. How is expressing yourself sexually a freedom of speech?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's nonsense.
Speaker 0: It is nonsense. You want to express yourself as an adult man watching hardcore pornography of people almost killing each other online, you think that 11 year You're raping children. Yeah, 11 year olds shouldn't have access to that? No. No.
And you're afraid to upload your ID? Well, know what, then you shouldn't do stuff in secret like That's right. So we're fighting this case, we went to DC, I was at the Supreme Court for the hearing, we did it, we filed another amicus in different case, it's not age verification, but it is to not take parental rights away for kids who are subject to LGBTQ curriculum in schools, so we're fighting that case because the state of Maryland did take the parental rights away, and so we're fighting that case, Supreme Court, and that's being heard on April 22. I'm writing, speaking, just trying to raise awareness, writing curriculum to educate parents on And still singing. Yeah, love to sing.
Yeah, he's done a project with Jakku, my brother, made him sing with me on a project.
Speaker 1: Forced him to. Forced him to,
Speaker 0: to show what a victim goes through, just from a different medium, what a victim goes through. And I still love to sing, and so we did it through a song. It's called Angel, and it is the perspective of a victim who was just rescued, and she's having a conversation with her rescuer who is dying. And she's saying, I see you as an angel. Can I pick your halo up off the ground?
And he's saying, I'm not an angel. I'm just someone, you know, who helped you. And she asks questions about God, and she petitions him to go and talk to God on her behalf. And it's beautiful. It's a beautiful song.
Speaker 1: It's you look beautiful.
Speaker 0: Well, thank you. But it's
Speaker 1: a very different look for you. Got all the writing all over your arm. Yes, and I
Speaker 0: actually know I don't have any tattoos.
Speaker 1: No tattoos. Know when I saw that, I was like, Elanca, I didn't know you had tattoos. And then, of course, when you started in the video to wash it off, I was like, oh yeah, now of course that makes sense.
Speaker 0: Yes, which to symbolize what Jesus did in my life when he washes us, right? Because he really does all of those negative words that we think about ourselves, like we are torn, we're broken, we are damaged goods, we're unworthy, we're unloved. He changes all of that into saying, You feel unloved, but I've loved you before you were born. You feel dirty, but I say that I washed you clean. You feel that you don't have value, but I send my son stand in your place.
You say that no one listens, but I have an intercessor for you that prays for you daily even when you don't pray. God has a counter, a positive counter to every negative thing that we can think about ourselves, and God really does. He restores your mind through that, and it is a process,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen overnight, but it's a beautiful thing, you know? So when you see all the news about P. Diddy and Epstein and all of that, what do you think?
Speaker 0: Well, men who made a choice at some point in their career to be corrupt, so I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that P. Diddy was a victim first and then he decided that he was going to step into that recruiting role, which we know he did, and he became someone who gained authority and power, but make no mistake, Laura, he is pretty low in this whole pyramid of trafficking. Why do
Speaker 1: say that?
Speaker 0: Because it goes very far up. The entertainment industry is a means to an end. The entertainment industry is only there to satisfy a financial or a deal need, always. So they want to let's say you have a sitting official in a city or a senator or a representative of the house or someone in a big financial organisation who is part of this corrupt trafficking system, you know, who has a need to have sex with kids, a very sick need. They will cut back door deals to say, okay, I'm going to allow you this funding on this lobbyist bill or or this whatever you want or I want mineral rights in this country, but you need to send one of your prize entertainers to come and do a private concert for me.
Now that entertainer might not be the one having sex with whoever this person is, but they cut deals, so entertainment is always a means to an end. It's used. The entertainment industry is always used to to facilitate deals. And so P. Diddy is low.
He is like one of the, what I like to call them, regional managers of the entertainment. And he's already been replaced, probably. Wow. So the question is, why did he lose his protection? He lost his protection for a reason, right?
I don't know what the answer to that is. Same as with Jeffrey Epstein. He lost his protection, That's
Speaker 1: a very good way to put it.
Speaker 0: And we know that Epstein was an informant, right? And we know there's allegations that Sean Cohn was also an informant, right? So they lost their federal prediction for some kind of reason and they were ousted. And now that happened to Epstein and now P. Diddy is in prison or he's waiting for his hearing.
Speaker 1: So one of the things that really bothers people about the whole Epstein P. Diddy thing is that you have these people, you also have Gisela and Maxwell, you know, who you know trafficked all of these people, but yet there are you don't see the victims. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 0: Multiple reasons. They could have active threats on their lives. Some of them have come forward in lawsuits anonymously to where their names are being kept. I mean, there's hundreds of people on the PDAD list, victims, hundreds of them, that will probably come out in lawsuit, but you want to protect victims' names. Some have come out publicly, but the scrutiny, Laura, because half of the people are going to say, I'm so sorry this happened to you, the other half of the people are going to say, well, you deserve this or you wanted this or so
Speaker 1: that this
Speaker 0: scrutiny is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Or you're lying.
Speaker 0: Or you're lying. I mean, how could you yes, there's always two sides to this thing and you have very brave women like miss Carter that has come out and Mhmm. Boldly speaking up about her story, and she there's scrutiny for her, and and so you're like, well, what's gonna happen? Yes. There's threat to her life.
There's been threats to her life. Are they going to hurt her? Is truth going to prevail? Is she going to stand? And so I think for the majority of victims, they don't want to be known, and I get that.
I wouldn't have wanted I never picked to be a speaker of this. God picked me to be a missionary to go forth and speak about stuff like this. I did file charges against a man, my manager. My husband pretended to be a talent buyer, to buy a girl and got the information, spent a lot of time investigating it and got it, and we went back to South Africa and we filed charges. And I did that because I can't stand in front of the youth kids in high school, or stand in front of women and say, I need you to speak up if something is happening in your home if I wasn't willing to speak up.
So I wanted to portray courage that if I can do it, you can do it. And even though that's still an open case, because I don't have the resources to fight it, I still point and file charges.
Speaker 1: It's the principle that That you did what you could.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yes. Yep. So I try to raise as much awareness, and our beautiful our beautiful scars, and we're wearing the beautiful shirts.
Speaker 1: Yes. The shirt that you gave me, which is by the South African designer, right?
Speaker 0: Yes. Carla Caballero. We collaborated on the
Speaker 1: silk That's your brother.
Speaker 0: Yes. We collaborated on the silk scarf to give moms and women a visceral textile fabric that they could either wear or tie to their handbag to say, I fight trafficking, and I am fighting trafficking for my kids, or I'm fighting it for my nieces or for my grandkids, and this is going to be a symbol that we will we have four designs that we roll out each year Wow. And that you can wear to say as a reminder, like, I'm always gonna keep my kids safe. I'm going to be informed. I'm gonna stay on top of the technology battle that we're having, you know, with our kids' iPads and iPhones and with how kids are being trafficked and reached through that and how they're being manipulated through that and emotionally abused through it.
This is gonna be a reminder for me to never stop fighting for my kids and for the kids of the world and the kids of America to fight. And so, Carla is a very good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: And she's also South African.
Speaker 0: She's also South African from Cape Town.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to meet her.
Speaker 0: You will. Her sister-in-law was murdered in the drug trafficking trade in Australia, and this is her name was Renee. Beautiful soul. And this is why this is called the Renee Freedom Scarf. This is It's just about my story, it's about your story, her story, so many people who have endured the abuse that we have gone through and have experienced high T trauma, and we don't want our kids to have this.
You want to protect your kids, I want
Speaker 1: to protect my kids. And we didn't talk about this before, but in case people want to buy these or find these, how can they?
Speaker 0: Yes. We have the link for them, and it's available on helpjbm.org.
Speaker 1: So we can put that on We can put that at the end of the show and on the website, so people, if they want find Absolutely.
Speaker 0: And also on Carla, Carla Caballero's the Caballero collection as well, but we do have a link for it.
Speaker 1: You know, there was was so much I wanted to talk to you about, but I honestly feel like I just feel like you have to come back because it's so it's so big. Yeah. You know, you're it's I feel like I just everything I mean, I feel like I've been hit by a truck. Okay. It's it's
Speaker 0: just I'm sorry. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. Don't be sorry. I'm I'm sure people listening to this will feel the same way.
You know that all of this happens. You read all the headlines about about Diddy and, you know, and all of that, but
Speaker 0: It's all true though, Laura. What people are coming out with about the ditty parties is not a lie. It really happens like that. The more fame there is to it, the more elite it is and the wider it goes and the more reckless they get with this kind of stuff that they're doing. Yes.
And
Speaker 1: it's incredible how you have what you have overcome and what you're doing now to reach so many people, and, you know, your brother is one of the most impressive people I know. Yeah. I love him like a brother too.
Speaker 0: Jaco's an amazing From the moment
Speaker 1: I met him. And he does so much in the world of counter trafficking, and this is, you know, this is something that I also feel called to by God who's led me all my life and when I was too stupid to know it. I understand that. When I know you saw the episode we did with pastor Leon Benjamin, and, you know, he was sitting there in that chair and he was talking about seeing a portal open up and he said, God wants to know wants a request from you. He wants to grant this request from you.
And when he said it, I thought, what am I going to ask for? Because, you know, my life hasn't been easy, but I've been given so much in my life, so much love and so much, you know, so many things, beautiful children, all those things. And I thought, what am I going to ask for? What am I going to ask for? And then, when he looked at me for the answer, I just said, no more children.
No more. This has to stop. What happened to you has to stop. You can't have the Man Boy Love Association of America. It can't exist.
You can't allow that under the guise of freedom of speech. You have to stand for something in your life. You know, and I very much grew up of this mindset that my children are part of, you know, be tolerant towards people, don't judge people, accept everybody, live and let live. And you're seduced into this because if you have a kind heart Mhmm. And if you believe in respecting people and treating, you know, and and that, like I do, born to see all people as equal.
Yeah. All people are are equal for me. Right. And then you realize you've been seduced Yes. Because you are supposed to stand for something.
Speaker 0: It's a ruse, I know.
Speaker 1: You are and it's not It's okay. It's Lauren.
Speaker 0: You have
Speaker 1: to. And all people, sure, are equal, but but some things are not okay. No. And you have to stand against them.
Speaker 0: And we all have a decision to make, and unfortunately, of us make horrible decisions. Does that mean that God doesn't love that person? No. God hates the decision you're making. He loves you because he created you, but the decision that you're making is wrong.
We, who have a good moral compass to this fight, cannot just say, Oh, you're a broken person, who isn't going allow this? No, we're not. You need help. You need help and healing, we want that for you. By the way, we provide all of these resources at JBM.
If you go to
Speaker 1: our website, yes.
Speaker 0: Provide all of the resources for you. If you are someone who's addicted to pornography, I'm very sorry that you're addicted to pornography, I'm not going to judge you for that, but you need help. It needs to stop and you need help. If you're someone actively abusing a child, I'm not going to judge you for that, it's going to stop. You have to stop, you've got to get help.
You have to, that child deserves a different life. You cannot continue doing that.
Speaker 1: No. No. And we can't continue this cycle of the abused becomes the abuser. Can't Yeah,
Speaker 0: we can't make it normal.
Speaker 1: No, we can't make that normal and be like, oh well, you know, like you said, he's dead, he's probably abused. Okay, he's probably abused, but what are we doing to break that cycle?
Speaker 0: Yes, we can't just say because you've been abused, now you can do this. No. Okay, I have compassion for you if you went through something, but at some point you made a decision to corrupt yourself and when you made that decision you became part of the problem and now because you're part of the problem we're going to have to fight against you, that is what Senator Ted Cruz is doing in Texas, the whole Take It Down Act, right? Take this junk down, Take it down. We don't want our kids to see pornography.
Right? Which is the same thing that we do with the supreme court. Freedom of speech coalition fighting against H. Paxson saying, we don't want H. Verification.
We want free porn for everybody in Texas. Senator Cruz says, take it down. We want it down across the nation.
Speaker 1: And there's no such thing as free. No. Someone's paying for that, and you're paying for Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Money, actually, the currency of money doesn't even compare to the emotional damage it does to an individual. The cost of what you go through emotionally far outweighs any monetary value.
Speaker 1: Or the
Speaker 0: currency of sex. Or the currency of sex.
Speaker 1: Especially when it comes to children.
Speaker 0: Yes, We just cannot stand for this, and I will not.
Speaker 1: No, I will we've become a society that says, Oh, well, you know, kids are trafficked, isn't it terrible? And then we move on. Right. And we don't feel any responsibility. Sometimes people don't know what to do, and that's fine, but it begins with knowing who you are and standing for something.
Speaker 0: Right. And with your own story. What have you gone through in your life? Everybody has things in their life. Everyone has a story.
Even if you can't relate to trafficking, you've gone through something in your life where you've needed help. Yes,
Speaker 1: everybody needs help.
Speaker 0: Everybody needs help, and even just on that simple principle, you can relate that someone else might need help in a different situation than you, but they need help, right? Make no mistake, the enemy is coming after our children. Oh, without a help. Satan is coming after our children very, very fierce and fast. From every direction.
And we have no choice as parents to say, We are going to protect our kids, cannot sit on the sidelines anymore, because remember, Lucifer was jealous of God. He was jealous of God and he wanted to be God and God said, you cannot be that, you are condemned to earth. He hates God with a passion, he hates anything that God ever created that is beautiful and he knows that the only sin that evokes shame in the human body is sex. Through rape, incest, molestation, gang rape, all of that. It invokes shame and if you have shame in your life, you cast your eyes down, you cannot lift them up to God.
And that is what we have to break and give people hope and healing and freedom for, and protect our children from, because we don't want them to feel this.
Speaker 1: No. We don't want them to feel this. And you are just you are truly such a powerful symbol of what it means to walk in the light of God and to overcome and have joy. You know, that's one of the things I love about you. Well, thank you.
You do have such joy still.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Oh, yes. I mean, you're happy. Yeah, very happy. Goofy Which
Speaker 1: is amazing. You see these terrible things and you think that there can never be light after that amount of darkness, but it's
Speaker 0: not true. Oh, but Jesus, God's amazing. And Laura, you, look how strong you are. The fact that you can sit here and have a conversation this long with me about this topic it shows me that God has anointed you with a heart to hold stories, and we know what an amazing journalist you are and how you investigate stories, but for you to hold such devastation, even going through your own story, many people are going to run from that. So, thank you for listening and for
Speaker 1: giving me the opportunity We're
Speaker 0: going to
Speaker 1: have you back and we need to have your brother too. Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much. Thank you
Speaker 0: very much for having me. I love you.
Speaker 1: I love you too. Thank you so much for watching and, as always, for being willing to go rogue with Lara Logan and Elanca Dieten. We'll leave details on the website because I'm sure that there will be a lot of people curious to know more. As always, you can go to larologan.com, like, subscribe, do whatever all that stuff is, and thank you so much.
Speaker 0: Elanca, would you bless us with a prayer? I mean, this is incredible testimony. Sure. Jesus' freedom, just a prayer over what you shared and just because you're a story of redemption and finding freedom and also you're exposing it says in Luke eight seventeen that God is revealing all the hidden things and he's using you to do that, and Laura. So would you would you lead us in prayer?
Father God, Lord, first of all, thank you that you're so faithful, Lord, to redeem stories, to heal the broken, to always be a light in the darkness and a voice in in the chaos and the noise. Lord, I, first of all, just wanna pray for Laura's heart, Lord. This is heavy stuff, Lord, but you are in the tough stuff, God. And, Father, I pray that you would you would make her heart calm, that you would give her peace, Lord, that you would give her wisdom and knowledge, Lord, on how to protect her own children, Lord, how to walk the story of trafficking out, Lord, and show her where where you want her to speak and how you want her to speak and when you want her to speak, father, about this. Father, I also just wanna pray blessing, Lord, over this podcast, Lord.
And, father, I just call forth, Lord, a favor to mend this favor for this podcast, Lord. Father, you would bring the masses to hear, to be restored, and to be redeemed, Lord. Father, I pray that you bless Laura's Mary's, Lord, that you would bless her crew, Lord, that you would allow her to go forth, Lord, be a a a voice, Lord, for the voiceless, to be a protector, Lord, to expose what you want her to expose, Lord. Give her fresh eyes and fresh ears as she's she's doing her investigative work, Lord, to see things that no man can see, father. Holy Spirit work through her, and we thank you for our time, and thank you for for this blaze this blaze of time, Lord.
I honestly, Jesus, bless them. Bless them with everything you've got. Amen.
Speaker 1: In Jesus' name, amen. Thank you.
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There are about 5000 District judges in the country, none of whom were elected to govern. I'm questioning what remedies exist for their overreach or unconstitutional actions. If impeachment isn't the answer, what other forms of oversight are appropriate? It's clear they need accountability.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
There are some 5000 Dostrict judges in this country - obviously none of them were elected to rule this country. So what is the remedy for the over-reach or unconstitutional use of their position? If you don’t think impeaching them is correct, then the obvious question is what remedies do exist? Because you can’t argue they do not need oversight. We know that is not true & in itself would be unconstitutional.
@RepEliCrane - Rep. Eli Crane
The articles of impeachment are teed up and ready to go. https://t.co/7NLKdm3ynF
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I feel outraged by how we've been locked up, lied to, and had our families and communities destroyed. The impact on our economies is devastating, and the loss of lives is staggering. It's infuriating that we're expected to accept an "orderly accounting" from those who have wronged us.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
They locked us up, lied to us, destroyed families, communities & entire economies that have never recovered - not to mention killed & injured how many people? And all that time they plundered our tax dollars to fund organised crime? And we’re not supposed to be upset? We’re supposed to demand an “orderly accounting” from the people responsible for the theft? Yea - CIA take your talking points & shove them where the sun don’t shine.
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I’m sharing a serious update about Tina Peters, the former Wec of state currently imprisoned for exposing alleged fraud in the 2020 election. Our legal team filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus to secure her release, but the court has been slow to respond. Reports of her mistreatment in jail are alarming, including a recent incident where she was strip-searched without cause. At 70 years old, her physical and mental health is declining rapidly. We are urging the U.S. Attorney to investigate the circumstances surrounding her treatment and the potential corruption in her prosecution.
@laralogan - Lara Logan
Serious update on Tina Peters, the former Wec of state locked up for doing her job & exposing fraud in the 2020 election: “Tina Peters is rapidly declining. This is a very serious email I’m sending you today. Please read to the end. As you have begun hearing, our legal team filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus on February 19 to free Clerk Tina Peters from her current jail cell in Larimer County, CO while she awaits her appeal. A very reasonable request, as she is not violent, had zero criminal history, did not even have a speeding ticket! The Colorado court was dragging their feet on looking at our Writ. During that time, a very troubling report of mistreatment of Clerk Peters has been filed in a formal Declaration by Linda Good, the paralegal assisting our Colorado Attorney, John Case. IT IS CRITICAL WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TODAY! “Most recently, on February 19, 2025 while I was with Ms. Peters reviewing some documents 8 guards descended upon her pod wearing their black latex gloves. Ms. Peters said, "This isn't going to be good. They are going to raid someone." A deputy knocked on the conference room's door and told me that we needed to end out visit. I asked if I could wait in the lobby and come back up as we hadn't finished our work. I was told that it would be a while and I should come back in the morning. Then they proceeded to raid the pod including Ms. Peters cell. Ms. Peters has no contraband. They removed Ms. Peters from the pod in handcuffs and brought her down to booking where she had to undergo the indignity of a strip search. They found nothing, nor did they the first two times they strip searched a 69 yo non- violent, 1st time offender with no history of drugs. No other inmate was brought out in hand cuffs or strip searched during this raid on the pod. 33.I find the timing of these two incidents at the Larimer County Jail coincidental as she had recently filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus. She has had no conflict or incidents with any of the guards prior to the filing, and then 13 twice in one week she is written up, threatened with lockdown, raided and strip searched. 34. My over all observation is that Ms. Ms. Peters is in rapid decline physically and mentally due to her imprisonment.” Not only is her treatment shocking! It appears a Larimer county public defender, KELSEY TEBOW was working with other inmates to “monitor” Clerk Peters in the jail: What is going on in this place!? Clerk Tina Peters is 70 years old, she is being submitted to the most obscene treatment and exposure in ways beyond comprehension. We are calling on the US Attorney, Bishop Grewell, not to delay in investigating this matter. He has been swift to open the inquiry, and now we need action. Last week a “statement of Interest” was submitted to the Court by the Assistant U.S. attorney Yaakov Roth to determine if there was corruption in the prosecution of Clerk Peters. They are also investigating whether this was politically motivated from the onslaught.”