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- THE BIG RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA DEBUNK THREAD -In this extensive thread I am going to debunk ALL Russian propaganda. I do this exclusively on the basis of facts, verified information & OSINT. I will debunk everything until no Russian propaganda remains. So let's go! 1/70
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I'm going to debunk all of the following Russian propaganda bullshit one by one: - NATO expansion - Genocide in the Donbass - Maidan Revolution in 2014 - Nuland/Guy orchestrated it. - Yanukovich was ousted in an undemocratic manner - Putin only wants the Donbass 2/
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- Russia is a nuclear power and therefore cannot be defeated - Zelensky is a corrupt cocaine-addicted billionaire - Pandora Papers - The West has no more weapons - Ukraine does not have enough soldiers and they are too old - Supporting Ukraine costs us too much money 3/
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- Russia can keep this up forever - We have to negotiate - There are Nazis in Ukraine & Azov - Ukraine and the US jointly created Biolabs. - Ukraine cannot win LETS GO 4/
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“Russia started the war because NATO promised not to expand and did so anyway.” Not quite. NATO never promised this. Reference is then made to this memo of a conversation. This is not a treaty or anything legally valid. 5/
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In addition, it has been completely taken out of context. How do we know that? Easy. Gorbachev, the leader of the Soviet Union at this time, said so himself and confirmed that there were no agreements. 6/
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Putin himself also indicates that the decision for Ukraine to join NATO is a decision between these parties alone. This interview can be read on http://en.kremlin.ru, the Kremlin's official government website. 7/
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Finally, Bill Clinton emphasized to Boris Yeltsin in 1997 that there is no agreement on expanding NATO (International Center for Defense and Security). So this nonsense has been DEBUNKED. I would also like to add that Finland (1300km border with Russia) joined NATO. 8/ https://t.co/5InZ8fg3SK
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“But Ukraine bombed the Donbass and committed genocide against the Russian-speaking population.” Not quite, the war in the Donbass started on April 6 when Russian separatists led by FSB Colonel Igor Girkin stormed government buildings in the Donbass 9/
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and then ordered the execution of civilians, including a 19-year-old girl. How do we know that? Easy. He himself admitted this in an interview in a Russian newspaper. Only after this did Ukraine decide to send soldiers to fight back. 10/ https://t.co/BUe0x9ZHmb
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“But Ukraine had already killed 14,000 civilians before that and they were rebels, not Russian soldiers.” Almost. The number of civilian deaths is 3404 in 9 years. Between 400 and 500 Russian soldiers were also killed between 2014 and 2015, confirming that they were present. 11/ https://t.co/tNRm2yCJSN
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“But Putin protects these people.” Yeah, right. Zelensky became president in 2019. The official figures are as follow: In 2019, there were 105 civilian deaths in the Donbass, in 2020 70 and in 2021 44. Between February 2022 and May 2022 4,062 deaths occurred in the Donbass. 12/ https://t.co/3R8NmbrLZv
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The 3,400 civilian victims were killed by both Russian and Ukrainian shelling. Russia mainly shot with precision, something that Ukraine did not have, which resulted in unintentional civilian casualties for which Russia is responsible. 13/
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How do we know that? Easy. Yevgeny Prigozhin, ex-leader of the Wagner PMC group, said this himself. Full interview: https://t.co/9YR408GV6R Donbass bullshit has also been completely DEBUNKED. Full explanation here in Dutch: https://t.co/fGQMJTQFiQ 14/
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“But what about the coup in 2014 when the Yanukovich was ousted?” By definition, that was not a coup. A coup would either require the involvement of the political elite OR the military. The political elite was not involved and the army did not want to get its hands dirty. 15/
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Then it is by definition a revolution. The cause was the result of a decision that President Yanukovich reversed. Namely the decision to sign the EU Association Treaty. He made this decision immediately after visiting Putin on November 21, 2023. 16/
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The reasons for this were economic pressure and blackmail from Russia. Armenia, also withdrew from the treaty for the same reason. The treaty itself had been voted on and the result was unanimously in favor of the treaty. 17/ https://t.co/DwVNSOiVi4
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Because Yanukovich went against the will of the people (and parliament), a journalist decided to protest together with one of the leaders of an opposition party. On November 24, there were only 10,000 demonstrators and everything was peaceful. 18/
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until the riot police deployed violence on November 30. The violence did not come from the demonstrators, but from the government itself, which led to many more demonstrators, namely 100,000+ in Kyiv alone. Ultimately, 20% of the entire population were involved in Maidan. 19/ https://t.co/DFTyL4Q32t
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“But what about Nuland? She called saying she would determine the next president or something,” yes, but not completely. Nuland did indeed discuss a position during a telephone conversation, but that was the position of prime minister, not president. 20/
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And as State Secretary for Foreign Affairs, it is her job to discuss which politicians may be important abroad. Transcript below: 21/ https://t.co/gf5vd3U6pB
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“What about Guy Verhofstadt? Didn't he stir up the whole Maidan and encourage those people?' Sort of, but not completely. Maidan started on November 21, 2013, by November 30 there were already more than 100,000 protesters and on December 1 riot police used violence. 22/
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This caused even more demonstrators. Only on December 5, 2013, at an advanced stage, did Guy visit Kyiv to express support for the pro-European demonstrators. In other words, DEBUNKED. 23/ https://t.co/XKHPQeDW6v
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“But they wanted to depose Yanukovich, right? That was the goal?” um, no not really. The EU came up with a proposal called “The agreement on the settlement of the political crisis in Ukraine” Signed by Yanukovich, the opposition leaders and with the help of Russia. 24/
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In this treaty there would be new elections in 2014, violence would cease, the opposition would lay down their arms and Yanukovich would simply remain President until the new elections. However, the protests have continued, and Yanukovich has fled to Russia. 25/
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Now I hear you thinking, but how was Yanukovich removed from power? That's quite simple. When Yanukovich fled to Russia, he could no longer fulfill his office as President and he was UNANIMOUSLY voted out of office by parliament, in accordance with the constitution. 26/ https://t.co/UaA5gmbpXY
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“But all Putin wants is the Donbass, where only Russians live and they want to belong to Russia, right?” Um, no, not at all. When voting for independence from Russia in 1991, 83% of both Luhansk and Donetsk voted for independence. 27/ https://t.co/ncMuQF44Wm
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Years of bribery, propaganda, Russian migration and violence have helped reduce that percentage, but there is no evidence that a majority is in favor of secession from Ukraine. Moreover, Putin not only demands those 2 oblasts, but also Kherson and Zaporyzhia. 28/
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Which he has already annexed (purely so that he can send soldiers here according to the Russian constitution, but whatever). And that is not his only demand. There are many more. They Can be found here: https://t.co/sSN9ApvESO This has also been DEBUNKED 29/
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“But Russia is a nuclear power and therefore cannot be defeated because it will then use nuclear weapons.” Not quite. Countries with nuclear weapons have often lost a war, such as Russia against Afghanistan or during the first Chechen war or the US in Vietnam. 30/
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This does not mean Russia or the United States lost those wars. It means that they have withdrawn because the losses and costs were no longer worth it to them to continue fighting. Something like that is also called a strategic military loss and that is what I am advocating for.
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In addition, Russia has a military nuclear doctrine that specifically states when Russia can use nuclear weapons. This is either when nuclear weapons are first deployed against Russia, or when the survival of Russia itself is endangered. 32/ https://t.co/hkfLZ0JGnQ
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“But Zelensky himself is a corrupt coke-addicted acting billionaire who buys villas and yachts everywhere and has become rich through the war” Nope, not at all. Zelensky himself has a net worth of approximately 20 million euros 33/
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his own television production company that he founded during his studies called Kvartal95. Zelensky using cocaine was a Russian propaganda campaign with photoshopped images. 34/ https://t.co/Fvvc7xDMhq
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The yachts he allegedly bought are still for sale. All those villas, private islands, etc. are still for sale and were all part of a Russian disinformation campaign. 35/ https://t.co/HdWh2lC7OG
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“Okay, okay, but his name is in the Pandora Papers, how do you explain that?” That's right, his name is in there. This is what it says about him: “There is no sign that Zelensky himself was a part of the London property deals.” So that has also been debunked. 36/ https://t.co/uhq8ecRIgg
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“But the West has already given all its weapons, so Ukraine cannot win this against Russia.” Not really. I verified all this using Oryx to see what weapons the west has supplied and how many there are. 37/ https://t.co/baJG16cA1d
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In Dutch but understandable list below. NATO has over 95% of its modern weapons. So this is DEBUNKED. 38/ https://t.co/GFZiPemGPs
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“Okay so they have enough weapons, but Ukraine doesn't have enough soldiers, there are too many deaths and they are running out of soldiers” Not quite. Ukraine can count on at least 400,000 additional soldiers every year plus the number of men who have not yet been mobilized. 39/ https://t.co/i56FfteUxQ
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“But why is it that the average age of a Ukrainian soldier is 42? You certainly don't have an answer to that, do you?” Um, yes, and it is fairly obvious and is two-part. For starters, Ukraine has started mobilizing men with military experience 40/
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in other words, older men who were previously in the military. They are not 18 etc, but 40+. Secondly, if we look at the population pyramid of Ukraine, we can conclude that there are very few men in the 20-30 category and many more men in the categories above. so DEBUNKED. 41/ https://t.co/WeNYCmaPeJ
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“But supporting Ukraine costs us far too much money, money that we could use much better here.” Not exactly. The Netherlands supports Ukraine with 0.2% of our GDP, approximately 2 billion per year. 42/
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If Russia were to take all of Ukraine, this would result in between 10 and 30 million people fleeing. A refugee costs 53,000 euros per year. That would cost us between 530 billion and 1590 billion per year, about 53 or 159% of our GDP. 43/
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In addition, one of Putin's demands is that the West must pay for all damage in Ukraine. Currently estimated at 151 billion euros, but that will increase considerably. We would also have to pay part of that. 44/
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Finally, Russia could build up its army again, this time mobilize the remaining Ukrainian men and take over all of Ukraine's military production, deploy their SAM systems and radars etc in Ukraine. 45/ https://t.co/7xAXQAlL7w
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which would mean that the EU and therefore the Netherlands would have to invest significantly more in Defense to counter the threat, which also costs billions per year. It will cost us at least 20 to 25 times as much not to support Ukraine. so DEBUNKED. 46/
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“But Russia has many more tanks and a much larger production, they can keep this up forever.” Nope, for a while, about 3 years at most and then they will be completely without. If we look at the number of tanks Russia still has via satellite images, 47/
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according to the number of verified losses (Oryx) that Russia has, and the number of active tanks that Russia still has, then we’re talking about 4500 tanks. On average they lose 1500 per year. You do the math. 48/ https://t.co/QlkMrKDgY3
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Things would go even faster with artillery systems because they also wear out much faster and are used as spare parts to keep other systems usable. Russia loses 5,000 of these every year and a half and they still have 8,500 of them. 49/ https://t.co/bR2qj3GWkc
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"But what about Putin's demands? Im sure they must be realistic, what are those"? I have them listed below. None of them are realistic and even if they would be, we would have to take Putin's word for it, which lets face it, is not what we should do. 50/ https://t.co/YJfsOAl5Gy
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Moreover, we will no longer have control over the regions that have been annexed and Russia can continue with its genocide as previously happened in the areas that Russia controlled or still controls, such as Bucha, Irpin, Izyum and Mariupol. 51/
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where executions took place. Full analysis in Dutch can be found here: https://t.co/sSN9ApvESO, also DEBUNKED 52/ https://t.co/ddZex9vbkQ
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“But like you just said, denazification, there is a big Nazi problem in Ukraine, right? They're even in the government, right?” Yes and no. There are Nazis in every country, including in Ukraine and especially in Russia, who are also used by the Russian government 53/
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Source: https://t.co/tWI7DLMPnO. Now let's look at the Nazis in Ukraine, starting with parliament. The last time there were elections was in 2019. The extreme right collectively obtained 2.5% in parliament, not enough for 1 seat. 54/
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In today's #vatniksoup I'll talk about Russian Nazis and introduce Russian neo-Nazi movements and paramilitary groups like Rusich and PMC Wagner. They're best-known for being funded by the Kremlin and being responsible for the "denazification" in Ukraine. 1/24 https://t.co/GUmVTPK5GP
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So there are no far-right nationalist political parties in the Ukrainian parliament, which is also led by a Jewish President. Then there are many people who point to AZOV, partly rightly because there were indeed Nazis among them. 55/
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However, the reasons for the creation of Azov are not examined here. Azov was founded in 2014 AFTER Russia attacked the Donbass. Azov did not exist before that. 56/
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Azov was founded to protect civilians in the Donbass from Russian soldiers and separatists because the army was in chaos at the time and could not protect the population. Azov allowed anyone in as long as they wanted to fight the Russians. 57/
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This has caused many hooligans, nationalists and therefore also Nazis to join Azov. In total we are talking about 2000 Azov troops. If these were all Nazis in a population of 40 million people, you would be talking about 0.005% of the population. 58/
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In 2015, Azov officially became part of the National Guard within the Ukrainian Armed Forces. As a result, new members were screened before they were allowed to join azov. In 2017, Azov was thoroughly screened and all neo-Nazis and foreign fighters were expelled. 59/ https://t.co/ChOKDv6pcn
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We have now had politics, we have had the army. That leaves the population. Are these very anti-Semitic if we compare this with other countries? Well, not exactly, but Ukrainian scores the lowest in terms of anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe. This has also been DEBUNKED. 60/ https://t.co/pkZ93SqTOd
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“And then the Biolabs, Russia claims that they are there and that they have proof of this and that they have destroyed them” Of course, but they have not released any evidence of this (despite several announcements that they would do so) 61/
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and there is no reason whatsoever to accept this as truth. The UN has also said there is no evidence of biolabs in Ukraine. The US does indeed work with Ukraine in legal laboratories to conduct research into combating new diseases. 62/
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just as the US has ironically been doing this with Russia since 1992. Russian scientists who have read the Russian government documents have written in an open letter to various Russian media that they were all lies. Debunked 63/ https://t.co/Fs0LExtR3L
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“Okay, okay, so you've debunked everything, but then again, Ukraine can never beat Russia militarily, can it?” True, but that is not the principle I am advocating. I advocate inflicting a strategic military loss as I said earlier. 64/
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Finally: Russia spreads an incredible amount of propaganda and disinformation and spends 2 billion euros annually on spreading it. However, despite all this misinformation, it is not difficult to find the truth as long as you use facts and verified information. 65/
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Russia is also known for promoting as many different theories as possible to hide the truth, including their reasons for invading Ukraine. 66/
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They have claimed that they are doing it because of NATO expansion, because of the Donbass, because of Nazis, because of biolabs and every time I was able to DEBUNK all the bullshit. 67/
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If you encounter propagandists or pro-Russian fringe morons, send this thread to them, or tag them in it, grab a bowl of popcorn and a drink and enjoy how I make fun of them. 68/ END