In a masterclass by Vivek Ramaswamy, four individuals were captivated by his insights on the deep state, managerial class, and the current state of America. His profound understanding, even as a politician, impressed the audience. This clip is a must-watch for all Americans before choosing their next president.
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Four people walked into a Vivek Ramaswamy masterclass, to learn who exactly is the deep state, the managerial class & why we live in a 1776 moment. They werenβt disappointed.
Iβve never seen someone with such deep understanding of the modern enemies of Americans, let alone from a politician.
Every American must see this clip β before they pick their candidate for president in the upcoming election.
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The speakers discuss the concept of the "deep state" or the managerial class, which they describe as a system that operates independently of elected officials and is driven by a desire for power. They argue that this system undermines the accountability of elected representatives and prevents the government from truly representing the people. They suggest that breaking this system is necessary to restore American pride and ensure that the government serves the interests of the people. The speakers also touch on the importance of civic rituals, such as voting, in reaffirming the ideals on which the country was founded.
Speaker 0: You wanna take out a deep state.
Speaker 1: You actually actually wanna just spray it at down.
Speaker 0: Deep state. Give me a name.
Speaker 1: It's not an it's you're missing the point if you're asking the question. It's a system. That was some good political shit you just said right there. It's a machine.
Speaker 0: Imagine one of your companies, like, you asked the people at the company. Like, you own the company. You're talking to your CEO, and you're like, Who is the problem source in this company? And then somebody said back to you, they're like It's the machine. It's if you're asking a question, you don't even know the answer.
Like, I
Speaker 1: I would listen to Nancy Pelosi. I would listen to it's it's the it's she's a cog. She's a cog. Mhmm. These are all cogs in a Give me some cogs.
Speaker 0: I wanna know about the Are you in the machine? I'd like to think not. But
Speaker 1: And and and I'm not right now. But if
Speaker 0: you get in there for
Speaker 1: 8 years, maybe you become 1. And then it's time to get the hell out, actually. So that's my view is get in there, do your service, get out, know when to drop the mic. And I think it takes fresh blood to do it.
Speaker 0: Why does everyone hate Nikki Haley so much? Does everyone hate like, it seems like everyone loves
Speaker 1: my god. The peep the corporate press loves Nikki Haley.
Speaker 2: You mean Nikatha Hailey?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is that your real name, Nikatha? Nikatha. It's Namratha.
Speaker 2: Oh, Namratha.
Speaker 0: He just wanted to say that other n word.
Speaker 1: That's the
Speaker 0: way to sneak Get in this. She's
Speaker 1: blocked. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Okay. But know the normal
Speaker 1: Number to Randhua Hailey. Yeah. It's a number.
Speaker 0: Number. Number.
Speaker 1: And she calls me Vivek.
Speaker 0: So she fucks it up on purpose.
Speaker 1: I I I think
Speaker 2: Thousand percent.
Speaker 1: I think that it's almost I I don't know that she thinks of it as doing it on purpose, but it's almost native and hardwired to who she is that it's exactly how Does
Speaker 0: she know what fucking cast you are, dude?
Speaker 1: Does she know you're a Fucking. The the thing is, it doesn't it doesn't make it it's for her, there's one there's one currency that matters, which is which is power. Personal power and
Speaker 0: do whatever just insane lust for power.
Speaker 1: Insane lust for power. But is she deep state? She's a product of the deep state. Product of deep state. She's a product of deep state.
Speaker 0: Biden is also a Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would say so. So The confidence of the Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. That's a great way to look at it. Because it feels as if for the average person that Biden is being run. Right? He
Speaker 1: is being run.
Speaker 0: He's being run. That's what the average person but we don't know what really that means. Who runs him? Do you have names of people who run him?
Speaker 1: It's just it comes back to this man. It's the machine. You could you could But what's the machine?
Speaker 0: Like You
Speaker 1: could pick your Susan Reisces or the Hillary Clintons or the Barack Obamas, but it doesn't matter. Because because it's like do we know who's going? It's like the San Antonio Spurs. Right. It doesn't matter who's actually playing.
Popovich runs that. But who's the Popovich? Yeah. So so I think that I think imagine imagine Popovich Steps out in the middle of a game, and the whole thing just keeps running as its own machine. Becky
Speaker 0: Hammond steps in. I know the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if she's not there anymore. But what I'm saying matter who it is, and the machine still runs. Aware of it. And I wanna say a word about the bureaucracy. I don't love the word deep state only because it implies that it's limited to the government.
What I call it, people don't like it when I say this and say they say it doesn't resonate with people, but the word that I use is it's it's the managerial class.
Speaker 0: Is Jamie Dimon part of the managerial
Speaker 1: class? The people, 2 to 3 layers below Jamie Dimon absolutely are. And I think in some sense, Jamie Dimon is ish ish on it. So there's 3 classes of people. I I talked about this in my first book, Woke Inc, a little bit.
I mean, you got the creators. Right? The actual It could could be a professor at a university as opposed to the associate dean of god knows what. Could be the entrepreneur proprietor who started the company as opposed to the vice president of human resources. Could be the elected president of the United States versus, you know, the the class that sits underneath them.
You've got the creators. You've got the constituents, Customers, shareholders, voters. And then you've got the managerial class who are the higher middle management bureaucracy designed to administer that which the A stir that which the creators have created with the intention of serving the constituents, but to make it scalable. Like, that's that's the basic premise of it. I mean, in a corporate context or not.
And I think we live in a moment right now where the balance of power between those three categories has vastly shifted towards The managerial class, the committee class is what we could call it. The permanent the permanent bureaucracy or what we're calling government, the permanent state. I think it's true in every sphere of our lives right now.
Speaker 0: I think it's true in corporate America.
Speaker 1: I think it's true in universities. But it so happens, and I do think it's the mother of all bureaucracies. It is Absolutely true in the government that the people we elect Yeah. Have almost nothing to do with what actually impacts most people's everyday lives compared to the permanent machine that sits under it, and it's fundamentally agnostic to the political party who's on top as long as they're gonna keep the party going.
Speaker 2: So Is
Speaker 1: it Joe Biden's one version of that? Nikki Haley's another version of that. So that Either which is a safe choice.
Speaker 2: Deep state is essentially just bureaucracy. Yeah. And your mission as president would have been to eliminate
Speaker 1: Dismantle. 75%. A a jack a jackhammer. And that's like a chainsaw. And I'm just trying to help people
Speaker 2: who might be like, oh, this guy wants to abolish the Department of Education. What the fuck is that? You're just trying to eliminate the bureaucracy from the Department of Education. Eliminate the bureaucracy from
Speaker 1: So many of the FBI. Because the bureaucracy Yeah.
Speaker 0: The bureaucracy itself is causing what? Is causing a Separation between what the constituents want Yes. And what the executor
Speaker 1: The dissipation of accountability is what disappears.
Speaker 0: So they know the managerial Yeah. Folks no longer have accountability That's right. To their constituents.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 0: And that is because there is this
Speaker 1: They don't even have constituents. That's the thing. They don't even have constituents. I'll give it to you in a corporate context so we can depoliticize it, then we can bring it back to politics. Like, in corporate America right now, and this is where I spent my career Shortly before running for president is you have something that happened basically in original OG capitalism, you have the proprietor who's also the owner, who's also the CEO and the operator.
Then it all comes down to a question of scale. So the question is, oh, we couldn't scale that without hiring professional management so that the owner can do other things and create new things or or whatever the owner wants to do. And so he hires the CEO and the CFO, etcetera. And so there was, like, in business school for I don't know if you have back or doesn't matter. But if you go to business school, one of the things they'll teach you about is the separation of ownership and control.
So that was, like, one of the original sins kind of thing where the owner is no longer the person who exercises control, and that creates what they call a principal agent problem. So the principal is the owner. The agent is the hired hand. And then, like, all of modern corporate law and business theory and securities law is designed to basically address That gap. So they have these things called fiduciary duties that the CEO will owe to the owner, but Eventually, they start behaving badly in a way that just flies around private jets at the owner's expense and claim that it's a business need.
And then that's where the private equity mister was actually born in the 19 eighties designed to sort of say, okay. Well, we're gonna retake ownership and clean house. And that was like where the Henry Kravis' and the and the Steve Schwarzman's kinda came from. So that's in the in the realm of capitalism. Then something else happened in the last 20 years, which is okay.
So they said the shareholders are the ones who have control, But the managerial class, having not taken it over the level of the corporation, went to the direction of the shareholders themselves. They started to pretend to be the shareholders In the guise of firms like BlackRock and State Street or Vanguard or whatever, the aggregate I don't know how if these words mean anything. Yes. Okay. I mean, aggregate probably most of your money directly or indirectly, 4 1 k accounts, pension funds, etcetera, to say that, okay, we are the shareholders, But we're representing other people's money, and so we're gonna have you adopt policies that actually are in our own interest.
Not the shareholders. Not not the Actual shareholders really capitalize
Speaker 0: on We're the shareholders because we're holding their money.
Speaker 1: We're holding stock. Exactly. So you're using so let's say you're BlackRock
Speaker 0: and let's say you're 2 retirees.
Speaker 1: You give your money over to BlackRock. BlackRock buys shares in, I don't know, Apple.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Actually, that's a good example to use because there was a specific case of that. Leverage on Apple to see what they want. We're specifically On Apple and BlackRock, this is a real life story in 2022. This is voted for racial equity audits at Apple, which Apple initially said hell no to. Yeah.
But they said, no. No. We're gonna vote for it. And then back in the old school version, if the CEO was pushing that kind of philosophy, the shareholders would say, no. You're the agent.
Helping the principle and you have a fiduciary duty to me.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the it's always a cat and mouse game, but now it's gone to the shareholders. They're like, no. No. We are the shareholders, And we're telling you that you need a BlackRock. BlackRock.
Right. Because because today, if you go to the SEC's website and see who are the shareholders of Apple Yes. They're gonna be, you know, number 1 or 2 or 3 on the
Speaker 0: left. Is really interesting.
Speaker 1: So it's always this cat and mouse game where the managerial class is always about getting one heads up. So that's there's a whole private sector version of this, and 2 of my 3 books are about this stuff, and we could go on for days about it. But I use that as an analog because sometimes when
Speaker 0: you talk about politics, people
Speaker 1: lose their mind. There's something similar going on, and I think of even greater import in The government, where there's a cat and mouse game between the elected representatives who say what you will, still have to go back to their constituents every couple of years. Yes. Every 2, 4, or 6 years depending on congress, president, or senate.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And and ask for permission to govern. Whereas what these people say is no. No. No. How do we drain as much of that power as possible so that we're agnostic?
Speaker 0: Who are these people? The bureaucrats. The bureaucrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So these Absolutely. The people who work for any power as From the electives as possible to make sure that We're agnostic to who actually gets into power in those seats in the first place. So
Speaker 0: they're neutering them intentionally.
Speaker 1: Neutering them intentionally. Yes. It depends how much DJ you wanna go into it. I will
Speaker 0: tell you some detail. This no. This is very important because I think a lot of your ideas When explained in this way are incredibly digestible.
Speaker 1: And that's cable TV's 30 second hits or or Hold on.
Speaker 0: Hold on one second. That's the game, though.
Speaker 1: That is the game. You know what I'm saying? It's not gonna get good at that. I've I've I've Or get better at that.
Speaker 0: You I mean Yeah. We talked about, what you know, Bernie, for example. Like, I remember when Bernie was going up against Trump, and there was this real There's this real issue where I think, like, American voters really wanted it to be Bernie versus Trump, and I think that they were so disillusioned with
Speaker 1: That would've been a good race. That would've been a useful race for the country, actually. I
Speaker 0: I'd like you You know, and I said it was like, oh, the democrats stole it from Bernie with the whatever. Mhmm. But here's the reality. That's the system that he was operating within. It hasn't tried to change.
So if the system can break you or can sway using the what do they call the,
Speaker 2: super delicates or whatever.
Speaker 0: Super delicates or whatever kit. That's the system that you and if you're not breaking that System. If you're using that system, that is
Speaker 1: You become a product of it.
Speaker 0: You're totally Exactly. Now Bring a jackhammer.
Speaker 1: Get the hell out.
Speaker 0: Of course. But if it's 30 seconds, Yeah. A bite on m m MNBC. This is another problem with the bureaucracy. You could even argue that is impossible to Scribe an issue.
Is this inundated with bullshit Mhmm. In 30 seconds. There's this author called
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if he's on the left or the right or some kind of issue too, but Michael Lind Wrote a book recently, and he was in the school of thought of this guy, you know, probably a century ago, Burnham. Burnham. James Burnham, who talked about this almost like back in the thirties where this has been a phenomenon that's existed for a long time. And what it actually gets to is this is as as esoteric as it might sound what we're talking about. This is what the American revolution was actually fought about.
See see, the American revolution was fought over the idea. With the the part I left out about the deep state is the people who are believing that they need to drain the lifeblood out of the politicians. The the most sinister part of it is they believe they're doing it not even for their own good, but for the good of humanity and for the So they they believe that the elected representative terrorism in there. Yeah. Yes.
Exactly. It is a it is a noble lie that has to be told that we live in a democracy.
Speaker 0: So even if you call it a democracy, they're like, what do you mean? I'm just trying to help
Speaker 1: I I it's in one step than that. This I know what you mean. And you could think that about me. But I know I'm doing the right But I know I'm doing the right thing, and so I'm gonna do it anyway. And see, that's what the American revolution was fought for.
Speaker 0: We gotta stop using the word deep state for you.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. I call it the permanent state shadow government, But I call it the managerial class because it's not even about the state.
Speaker 2: It starts to sound so conspiratorial. I really think It's not
Speaker 0: and and it's not even about conspiratorial. It's really about this idea that there are these people with nefarious intent. Right. And when we remove ourselves
Speaker 1: Exactly. From the side. Individual and nefarious action Yeah. It's Something it's it's a systematic phenomenon.
Speaker 0: Because you force a person who believes they're doing good
Speaker 1: Right. Will not Believe the means or justifies not talking about me. Can't be talking about me. I'm doing good for my people. I'm doing I'm doing what's right.
And that's what you have to understand is these people believe that they're doing what's right for humanity. This is good. And for most of human history, now you take now now as I said, the American revolution was fought for. Now you take a historical view. For most of human history,
Speaker 0: Make American revolution point because I'm still
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm gonna come to I'm bringing that in here. Pre American revolution for most of human history. Mhmm. The view was, Okay. The idea that you get to speak your mind openly as long as I get to in return Or the idea that we, the people, cause a government to come into existence that's accountable to us Mhmm.
Where every one of us has a voice and vote that counts equally in, like, this weird democratic process where we count up votes and decide who's in charge and you get to vote them out. That's nutty. Right? They these the what the people would demand would cause humanity itself to cease to exist. That's how stupid people are.
It's the kinds of decisions they would make. So the American revolution was fought the 17/76 was based on one idea, which is that for better or worse, We, the people, still decide who governs.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't just an American revolution. It was a revolution of thought.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a fundamentally revolution of Absolutely. Which echoed a little bit and and mutate a little bit to get to the French revolution in Yeah. 8 789. But let's just talk about the American revolution,
Speaker 0: which was
Speaker 1: the I think I think the OG version of this. And and the intellectual predecessors of it were like John Locke. It started in Europe. But our founding fathers, they weren't the most I mean, they're brilliant people, but they weren't the originators. But they were the implementers of a vision of enlightenment thought that caused the United States to come into existence.
They had
Speaker 0: a juvenile enough system that they could implement these ideas.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. And so and so that's what the American revolution was fought for. And so then we have to accept that we're the weird ones, actually. We as an America.
Because for most human history and most countries, even many across the world today, Those that haven't followed America's example, that's how it's done. And so what you're seeing right now isn't this devious new sinister conspiracy theory. So the norm It's just a reverse of the norm. It's exactly what it is. Yeah.
It's just a it's just a natural historical tendency. So I understand. This anomaly. But right now, there's just reverting to the norm of all of human I saw you
Speaker 0: talking at, when when you were stumping for for Trump at, in New Hampshire, and you likened it to the American revolution. Yeah. And I eye rolled Because I didn't understand contextually what you were talking
Speaker 1: about. Talking about. I probably didn't explain it.
Speaker 0: No. It's not about explaining. It's like you said, in these short Amounts of time, it's very hard to break down an idea this sophisticated. Like, think about it. It took us 30 minutes To go from the initiation of the deep state, just the idea for us to understand to core how it works in corporate America to back to politics And how humans have been operating in this way because it's constant it's is it in weirdly, like, there's, like, a biological impulse for it probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We're not there's there's almost societal impulse. Part of it's native hardwired, part of it's just the nature of human nature and how we relate to each other. And and and this thing about the old world view that humanity would cease to exist, that's literally what much of the managerial class believes today as it relates to climate I mean, for example, they could pick a favorite one, COVID. That if we really left it to self governance and we were serious about that, Either pick your favorite fill in the blank.
The planet would cease to exist. So it has to be a small group of enlightened members of the managerial class Yeah. They do what's right.
Speaker 0: There's an error.
Speaker 1: Not just because not just because they wanna enrich themselves in their pocketbook. Yeah. Now here's the decision.
Speaker 0: Too stupid.
Speaker 1: The Nikki Haley's of the world are in it for their pocketbook. But remember we said, they're not the managerial class. They're the pawns for the No. No. No.
No.
Speaker 0: I've seen this.
Speaker 1: The managerial class cuts them in because those are operators. But what they really the real people who are the real managerial class hardcore are actually doing it out of a sense of benevolence.
Speaker 0: The point is If the FBI itself or is being used to interrupt what the people want in this situation, it is a nominee. And if they're tarnishing the image of that nominee, now the people don't get the elected official that they actually desire.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they have false pretenses. Exactly.
Speaker 0: And then that is the problem with the managerial class. In the same way, it's a problem with BlackRock with your investment.
Speaker 1: One of many problems.
Speaker 2: And I think this is another I
Speaker 0: think I think that is a very digestible way of going. It's not even the FBI is the problem. It's not the letters. It's the fact that this organization has been used as a weapon to remove the freedom Of the people to elect Mhmm. A person that they feel represents with
Speaker 1: Yes. Exactly. With impute. This And now if those elected representatives pass bad laws, Well, that's your fault. As Thomas Jefferson says That's your fault.
Yeah. Pew people Thomas Jefferson's great quote. I'm gonna botch it, but but, basically, he says, The people deserve the government they vote for. And the The
Speaker 0: government is not true. Voted for. And listen.
Speaker 1: He's the guy who wrote the declaration of independence.
Speaker 2: And the guy who said it's essentially just The man is
Speaker 1: Disintermediate guy.
Speaker 2: Who can act without the presence
Speaker 1: and without the people that got In the deep state and it's and it's not in the critical sense. I'm talking about a descriptive sense. The deep state effectively says, yes. The people are going to get the government they vote for, and it's gonna suck because people are idiots. Idiots.
Speaker 0: And they cannot be trusted. Condescension.
Speaker 1: And and they're it's it's bad for them. Yeah. And so we need to make sure that people don't get the government they They vote for it because that's gonna be a pretty shitty government. Mhmm. And they better get actually one that actually allows them to have what's better for them Even though they don't know.
Speaker 0: Let's use man Jira class instead of deep state.
Speaker 1: Just so
Speaker 0: we're online. I just want
Speaker 1: We live in a moment right now where it is imposs I believe it is impossible to incrementally pick around the edges of it. Mhmm. I think right now, the only available effective option Mhmm. Is to take the risk and probably there's gonna be some cost involved. Probably there's gonna be some negatives that come out of it.
I'll be the first to acknowledge that. But on net, undoubtedly
Speaker 0: the right thing
Speaker 1: to do is nonetheless to come in and break the hell out of the glass And acknowledge there's gonna be some inconvenience that may come from that in a trend frictional transitional cost. But absent our willingness to do that, it just isn't otherwise going to happen. Will there be a re creation? Happen. And so that that that that that's that's up to the people who come
Speaker 0: It's gonna happen again. That's up And then we gotta break it again.
Speaker 1: And and exactly. And and so that becomes that becomes the iterative cycle, but hopefully, it never gets to the place where the Scale of the wreckage needs to be what it is now. If you ask me to vice president, we'd have to have a sit down conversation about, are you actually are we serious about shutting down these agencies. Because if so, I don't think anybody's gonna do that and get that done better than me. If part of the goal is if it's a little bit, You know, not the direction we wanna go, but we wanna point some, you know, figureheads on top of different agencies to go try to reform it.
That's cool, but that's That's
Speaker 0: not what
Speaker 1: you're doing. There's other ways to for me to drive change in this country, and I will wish you well and be as supportive as I can, but that's not how I'm gonna drive change. So when I was talking about even alignment early on, like, you know, if we got serious and this was actually a role to get in and For better or worse, left or right, gut the bureaucracy for the long run, and that's something that we're serious about getting done. I intend to do that as president, and I think that it does take a president to really do it, but I would I do that as vice president real quick.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I feel like there's a an extreme dip in American pride. Oh, yeah. And and after talking to you, it makes sense because how can you be proud of a government that does not represent you In a country run by people Doesn't trust you. That do not trust you.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 0: So the relationship trust somebody who
Speaker 1: doesn't trust you.
Speaker 0: Of course not. So yeah. Because I the one of the questions I had for you, I was like, how do we reinstill the American pride? And there's a buddy of mine named Ben Vliet is a really smart guy. He's like, You know, I'm proud of me, American.
I was like, why? And he's like, this is the best version of myself. That's what America has given to me. The opportunity to be the greatest version of myself. I don't think there's another country in the world where I could be the best version of myself.
Now this is a country that put his Grandparents or was it great grandparents or grandparents in the internment camps? Right. So but he still is like the ideals of this country. Sometimes we get off. Yep.
Sometimes we wiggle, and I think this is kind of what you've been speaking to.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 0: But the ideals are there, and I think that that's something we can all have Pride is. Yes. When we get those right, we are the best version of ourselves.
Speaker 1: Yes. We are. No matter
Speaker 0: who the fuck we are. I saw my mom get her citizenship, and it was, like, really Touch. I got, like, emotional ad. I saw all these people.
Speaker 1: This is an emotional experience.
Speaker 0: I wish people could go see the excitement Mhmm. That is there when these people are realizing this dream because there's Can dream. And, yeah, maybe they're looking at America in the best possible way. Maybe looking at those ideals, maybe looking at that what that constitution represents. But if this managerial class class who is not necessarily doing it in with nefarious intent, that's a really important thing.
But everyone's conceit. Yeah. There it is. So if they are either removed or moved out of the way or there is a way to to execute it where they have utility, but not disruption. I think that could so I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sparse and and libertarian in my tendency to believe that the way to do this is just Accountable elected officials Yeah. Actually. And we'll get a better class of public elected official once that actually becomes clear to everybody how important that is.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Versus if that's unimportant, then you get the get the c team that you're getting right now. Yeah. But that's exactly right. This is step to uniting this country. It's also part of even when you think about the elections meaning something, And this is the more philosophical underpinning of why I favor so I favor this because I think it quells any of the concern about election integrity.
But there's a Deeper element to this too of our elections meaning something. That civic ritual that your mother and you as a family sounds like went through. I favor that's why I've never single day voting on election day. Make it a national holiday and do it with The way the Iowa caucus is done with paper ballots and government issued ID, there's the intellectual integrity concerns. If they were making English the sole sole language that appears on a ballot, Many people find that controversial.
But we are a nation founded on ideals, but who are we if we can't even communicate those ideals with one Right? I think that one of the things that's dividing this country to breaking point is just we're innate as human beings. We distrust one another when people are speaking a language you don't understand. As a they they they could speak that language, but if you don't share that language in common, at least on the day that you're expressing the civic ritual. And by the way, all of this goes to the concerns about integrity anyway.
And one of the things I've said leading the Republican party is if we get single day voting on election day as a national holiday with paper ballots, government ID, and English is the sole language on a ballot. I will pledge we and we have to be. We're just done complaining about election integrity or results or whatever. And we move the country forward Mhmm. But we do it with the civic ritual that gives us a sense of appreciation of that set of ideals that the country was founded on.
Are we perfect? No. We're not. Have we ever been perfect? No.
We're not. I'm good to keep fucking up. Yes. Because we are men, not gods.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Right? We're a nation. It's a spoken here in the plural. So so we are we are men not God, and we Are still a nation founded on ideals. Yeah.
And so those two things by definition, it's like it's like a math equation. It's like an axiomatic. You have the axioms and the corollary. The the those two things are the axioms that we are we are fallen human beings, not god. Mhmm.
And that we are still founded on A set of ideals that we aspire to Yeah. Then the necessary logical consequence of that is that we will always fall short of our ideals.
Speaker 0: But let me aspire. But aspire to If you take away my ability to aspire Then by having this managerial class, we're just gonna dictate exactly
Speaker 1: what I can do. Exactly.
Speaker 0: Now you're give you're taking Am I
Speaker 1: Let me strive and fail Yeah. Sooner than you have me optically succeed. Yeah. That's exactly right. Is
Speaker 0: optic success. It's the illusion. Because that's how they get the pat on the Yes. Look what these people did. I told you I was right.
Look how good I am at management.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having what seems like To me, reflecting a a deep understanding of my worldview in a short amount of time. Yeah. Because actually this I think I think what you just said
Speaker 0: to be explained in this way.
