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@teameffujoe - The Older Millennial
So I just had this kid from the UK threaten to murder me and my fiancé. https://t.co/BKp4q5o4n9
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A person named Kai Pesion threatened to murder the speaker and their fiance due to their support for Palestine. The speaker confronted Kai, who foolishly used his real name on Instagram. The speaker quickly gathered information about Kai and contacted his family, posted the death threats on their social media, and informed the police in Scotland, where Kai resides. The speaker also reached out to Kai's university and employer, who promptly responded. The speaker emphasized that while they are open to debates and insults, death threats are unacceptable. They vowed to expose Kai's actions to everyone in his life, ensuring they are aware of his disturbing behavior.
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Speaker 0: So I just had a kid threaten to murder me and my fiance, and I'm gonna make him famous. Let's talk about it. So this is Kai Pesion and he is such a supporter of Palestine. He decided to jump in my DMs and threaten to murder me and my fiance. He told me not to leave my house because something is waiting for me.
So I said, well, I'm flying tomorrow. Are you gonna get me at the airport? He said, oh, yes. I have you mapped out. Don't worry.
He'll be at the airport. I guess he was talking about a hitman. He said what's coming to you is beyond words. Then he said good luck on the flight. Something big is coming.
Protect Emily at all costs as well, Peter Griffin. I guess I'm Peter Griffin, but he said she's getting it too. Had this dude just threatened me, I probably wouldn't have gave a shit. I mean, if you saw my DMs, holy shit. You would think the whole world's coming for me.
But when he threatened my fiance, he seriously fucked up. Because he was dumb enough to use his real name on Instagram. So it took me about 30 seconds to find out everything about him. So I proceeded to Facebook message his mother, Father, siblings, and grandparents. They also posted his death threats to me on all their pages and asked, is that something they're cool with?
But then I found out some even more interesting things about him. He lives in the UK, which completely changes what I can do legally, Because if you online threaten somebody in the US, generally, the police don't give a shit. However, in the UK, online death threats are punishable by two to 7 years in prison. So I contacted his local police department in Scotland and provided them with all the evidence. They've assured me they will be speaking with him shortly.
In addition to that, he also happens to be an honor student at a Scotland University, and their dean was kind enough to arrange a Zoom meeting with me later this week. Scotts are so accommodating. And lastly, I contacted his current employer. It's so cool, like their website has like a direct DM option, And they responded within 2 minutes, so they'll be looking into the incident as well. Now, I'm not gonna show any of his personal information, because then I'd be accused of doxing, I think people need to understand that this shit is not okay.
Like, if you wanna argue and debate with somebody, I'm all for that. Hell, even if you wanna Call me fucked up names in my DM. Go to town. But when it rises to the level of threatening to murder me and my fiance, I'm gonna do everything I can to ruin your fucking life, and I'm gonna make sure that everyone in that life, Your mother, your father, your grandparents, your siblings, your children, your friends are exactly aware of the type of psychopath
@OliLondonTV - Oli London
25 year old Muslim man engaged to a 10 year old girl. Presenter: “How old was she when you met her? Ahmad: “She was around 8 years old.” Presenter: “When will you get married?” Ahmad: “In about a year when she gets bigger.” https://t.co/uJIwpg7U65
@RealPizzaPepe - Pizza Pepe
“Transgender” pred gets caught trying to meet up with a child. These people are sick. https://t.co/xSNYSWLoLw
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Speaker 0 confronts Speaker 1, who identifies as a lesbian and is looking for her friend Rachel. Speaker 0 dismisses Speaker 1's identity and demands to know who she is meeting. Speaker 1 insists it is Rachel, but Speaker 0 claims to be the person she was talking to all along. Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 to put her phone down for their safety.
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Speaker 0: And one chance only, to be honest with me. Okay? Listen.
Speaker 1: Look. I I'm a lesbian. I'm trying to meet my friend, Rachel.
Speaker 0: You're a what?
Speaker 1: I'm a lesbian. I'm trying to meet my friend, Rachel.
Speaker 0: That doesn't matter. Listen. What? Stop the bullshit. Okay?
Who are you coming here to meet? Do you want me to call the cops and speed the process up? No. Can you just talk to me? I'm talking to you.
I'm asking you a question. Then who are you coming here to meet? Who? Please. Be honest.
Who are you?
Speaker 1: Who? My friend Rachel.
Speaker 0: No. I was the I was the boy you were talking to. Can you talk to me? I'm talking to you. I was the boy you were talking to, the whole time.
Can you put the phone down, please? You I did. I this is for my protection and yours. I told
@DaveAtherton20 - David Atherton
Meet Bishal Bhusal, living in Leeds & has been here for only 6 months. He believed he was talking to a 14 year old child & was meeting up for sexual activity. He asked, "are you single, I look to kiss you." Caught By Predator Exposure on 28/12/23 & was arrested. https://t.co/hU4gX7ACz6
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The speaker confronts someone who came to meet what they believed to be a child. They inform the person that the police have been called and that they have been exposed by a group called Predator Exposure. The speaker questions the person about their intentions and how they arrived in the country. They also mention the inappropriate conversations the person had with the supposed child. The speaker emphasizes that the person will be arrested for their actions.
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Speaker 0: Just for a minute. My friend of mine. Yeah. Yeah. Listen.
First of all, you're gonna be sitting as a rest section 20 four a. The reason being you've come here to meet what you're doing to be a child today. I do not. Hold on. Take it out.
Take it out. Take it out. Take it First of all, you're gonna be sitting as a rest. Section 24 rear. Yeah.
The reason being you've come here to meet what you believe to be a child today. We're on. 2nd four. The police have been informed and the police are on their way. Last but not least, we have predator exposure and we've just exposed you our fucking house.
Who did you meet today? I won't wash 14 year old girl. Listen, I'm sick of your fucking jibber jabber. I'm so fucking You've you've come to meet a child today. Yeah.
You're gonna be arrested today. Alright. Do you understand? Do you know it's against the law to meet children? How how long have you been in this country for?
Listen. Quickly jibber jabber. How long you been in this country for? So just in 6 months. 6 months.
How did you get here on plane? Did did you come by plane or both? 24. Yeah. I've got this in.
Don't struggle. Just keep just keep a car, and and we'll keep calm. Right. I'm gonna go through a bit of your chat now. Yeah?
What you've been saying to this girl? You were just gonna put her in bath and that and warm her up, won't you? I just fucking about all day, you little prick. Right. Charles Dates 14.
You are too small. Yeah? You single. Treat you little small baby doll. Do Do you have a boyfriend?
Do you want 1? Have a dream. Maybe me and you together. Would you meet me? Do you tell people that we talk.
Good girl. That's why I like your behavior. Do you use Snapchat or WhatsApp? Give me your number. I'd love to kiss you.
22. It's a fucking child. Yeah. It's a child. You're gonna be arrested today.
Yeah.
@PPoachersTV - Predator Poachers TV
Registered sex offender sneaks around a park to meet with underage girl. This was filmed in Chillicothe, Ohio. https://t.co/whcOGwfaWp
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The video features a conversation between the speaker and a man named Nathan, who is a registered sex offender. Nathan had arranged to meet an 11-year-old girl at a park, but it turns out he was talking to a group of individuals who expose predators. Nathan denies any wrongdoing and claims that he was just joking. However, he admits to being part of a Telegram group that shares inappropriate content, including videos of young children. The speaker confronts Nathan about his actions and urges him to seek help. Nathan agrees to get rid of the content and promises to speak to a counselor.
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Speaker 1: Just not fucking working, dude. Like, StreamYard is just not fucking working right now. What about Prism? Too bad. I think Prism logged me out or something.
Is anything in a Pablo? Oh my god. Oh my he's at war or something? Or
Speaker 2: No. They're all mixed race.
Speaker 1: So gross, dude. Alright. Here, Pablo. It's on the charger right now? No.
Did you get my text? No. I'll set her up. I'll set her up. Oh, I've never seen connection this fucking terrible, dude.
Jesus Christ. Ohio fucking sucks for this shit. What? Golly. No.
You're inside the wood or whatever. Yeah. Alright. Here, Jack.
Speaker 2: Hey, baby. Alright.
Speaker 1: Are you all ready?
Speaker 2: Yep. Where do
Speaker 1: you put this to chance? Okay.
Speaker 2: Are you getting sex offender?
Speaker 1: Yep. Here, just hang on to my phone in case Pablo is good as dead. Alright. Dude, he's waiting for an hour. Did you go walk around and talk?
Yeah. Bro. Oh, man. No wonder he's not at the park park.
Speaker 2: He's probably not supposed to be there, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he's supposed to be a certain feet away. No. Yeah. Probably. Alright.
Ready?
Speaker 2: Here, Jack.
Speaker 1: Hey. What's up, Nate? Gotta talk to you about Emily. Gotta talk to you about Emily. Emily?
My name is Gordon. Sorry to meet you like this. We're filming for safety.
Speaker 3: We should
Speaker 1: probably move away from this, shouldn't we?
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 1: Okay. We're let's kinda go away from the street. So, sorry to meet you like this. What's going on? K.
I don't wanna, do you like work at all or okay. What do you do for work?
Speaker 2: I work in air.
Speaker 1: You work in air? What do you do for work? That's for safety by the way, the cameras. What do you what do you do for work? That's just to make sure we don't hurt you, we don't extort you or anything like that.
We brought that for your safety. You work in a warehouse? Oh, well, good. I mean, we need more supply chain stuff going on. I appreciate what you do.
Just chat, you are on the registry. Right? Okay. Are you supposed to be at a park right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm gonna be at a park.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to? Yes. Okay. I just let you know, if you if you weren't, I, you know, we could have just moved away there. Okay.
So it's not like a violation to be here or anything? Okay. So obviously, if, you know, we're here to talk about Emily. Right? Okay.
Fair enough. Fair enough. I appreciate it. How, how old is she before we get into anything? Uh-huh.
How old is Emily?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Alright. Well, how old did you tell you she was? 12. Okay. I think you said 11, but 12, 11.
Yeah. Same shape. Doesn't matter. Okay. So,
Speaker 3: And I
Speaker 2: wasn't done doing anything with it.
Speaker 1: Okay. You're just
Speaker 2: gonna meet her and hang out. That's it. Okay. I wouldn't come out. Do anything else.
Speaker 1: Okay. Hang out where? Like
Speaker 2: Yeah. Playground.
Speaker 1: At the playground? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna leave the park with her. No. Okay. K. About 1,000.
Okay. Okay. Are
Speaker 1: you supposed to be in, like, near a playground or
Speaker 3: I can
Speaker 2: be around kids in nursing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm done with of the
Speaker 1: Okay. I
Speaker 2: just got a registered.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: What was you so what your charge back in 2005 was in Oregon. Right? Okay. What do they what do they accuse you of doing then? Like, what was the thing?
It
Speaker 2: was statutory.
Speaker 1: Statutory? Okay. How old was the girl? Like
Speaker 2: 16.
Speaker 1: 16? I
Speaker 2: wouldn't do nothing with the kid. No way. Now, I wouldn't do anything special for the kids, no
Speaker 1: way. Okay. So you're 45 now? Okay. So, I mean, on the phone with Emily did it get kind of sexual?
Speaker 2: I was joking around, that's all. Just joking around. Okay. I would do.
Speaker 1: Okay. But did the conversation get sexual?
Speaker 2: A little bit. Okay. Just a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: So I mean after she said she was like, you know, just 11, like why did, why did the conversation even continue, continue?
Speaker 2: She's new in town, so I just wanted to see her. Father figure? I I don't know.
Speaker 1: Not Father figure?
Speaker 3: Not not not not not not not
Speaker 2: not not not not not not not
Speaker 3: not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not
Speaker 2: not not not not not not not
Speaker 3: not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not
Speaker 2: not not not not not not not not not
Speaker 3: not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not
Speaker 1: not not not not.
Speaker 3: Okay. Well, like, I mean, what what what what what what what do you mean father figure? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: because that can be a good thing
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: A friend? Okay. Okay. Nothing more. Okay.
So then you'll start talking like June 16th? June 16th you started talking? Like, okay. How did you guys find each other on Facebook?
Speaker 2: I don't even know. Mutual friend maybe. Okay. Got it.
Speaker 1: So, you know, obviously, you seem like a great guy. I mean, when did, you know, I I noticed your Facebook is like a lot of people you probably shouldn't be friends with, especially with you being an offender and stuff like that. Like, how many how many years ago did this kind of stuff start happening online? Because you know, we we don't want you to be into this type of crap. Right?
So when did this start happening?
Speaker 2: Most of them are Asian.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: From Philippines.
Speaker 1: Okay. But but how how many years ago did like this kind of become a thing?
Speaker 2: Maybe a year or 2.
Speaker 1: Year or 2? Okay.
Speaker 2: I've never met him.
Speaker 1: Okay. I know
Speaker 2: that, I know Philippines are they do that kind of thing
Speaker 1: in the field. Right. Right.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to Philippines.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. Right.
Speaker 2: Foreigners foreigners do go to the Philippines and sex with young kids.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Do that thing. Okay. It's legal there.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Right. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. You're just friends with them?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's fine. Okay. So, I mean, obviously, there's I think there's a kind of a like a, you know, little there's like a level between meeting and talking, of course. Do they just kinda just talk to you online, those Filipinos?
Yep. Okay. How how old are they usually? Or how old are some of them?
Speaker 2: Some of them are teenagers, some and up.
Speaker 1: Okay. Like teenagers, like what? 13, 14?
Speaker 2: 15, 16.
Speaker 1: Okay. Any 13, 14s or no?
Speaker 3: I don't fix it.
Speaker 2: Okay. Are you
Speaker 1: sure about that? Because we've checked out every single one of your friends.
Speaker 2: Few of them.
Speaker 1: Okay. Did a few tell you they were 13, 14? Just asking. No, no judgement here.
Speaker 2: Maybe some.
Speaker 1: Okay. Maybe some. Okay. Okay. Look, I mean, obviously, we want you to get your life together here.
I mean, did any of the conversations kind of turn? No. Turn? Yes or no. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of I mean, sexual.
Speaker 3: I mean, kind
Speaker 1: of the same with Emily. Just kinda like joking around with them that way. No. Okay. So just a lot of 13 and up talking to you online.
Okay. How many how many do you think like?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You had to guess.
Speaker 2: 20.
Speaker 1: 20? Maybe. Okay. Got it.
Speaker 2: Some some don't even talk.
Speaker 1: Some don't even talk? Okay.
Speaker 2: Some do, Facebook friends that don't even talk.
Speaker 1: Got it. Oh, and no. I forgot to let you know, but it is voluntary to talk to us. But, you know, I think it's important in this case that we probably should talk about it. Okay.
So who's this, who's this friend right
Speaker 3: here?
Speaker 1: Okay. So you have Instagram also? Okay. Are there following quite a few people on Instagram that are also on the younger side, I think? Follow?
Okay.
Speaker 2: Don't talk.
Speaker 3: Do any
Speaker 1: of them try to talk to you? No. No? Okay. So, how many times did you want to hang out with Emily?
Like.
Speaker 2: Just a few.
Speaker 1: So you just wanted to, so you wanted to be a friend with her, but you wanted to hang out with her one time?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2: Just wanted to meet her. That's all. Okay.
Speaker 1: Everyone, well would you like hang out another time if she was cool with you?
Speaker 2: Probably not. No. I just wanted to make a message. Okay.
Speaker 1: So on on the phone, it I think you guys talked about, you asked you said you wanna see her naked and kiss her all over.
Speaker 2: I would never do that. I would never do that. That was just joking.
Speaker 1: Okay. Did you ask to see her naked on the phone?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Okay. Were you talking about seeing her naked in person or on the phone?
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm
Speaker 2: here. Yeah. So just joking.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that. Okay. I definitely don't need to be with them.
Speaker 1: Right. And you also talked about licking her vagina.
Speaker 2: Getting guilty. Okay.
Speaker 1: Then you also asked if she'd wanna, to, if you'd want to stick it, if she'd want you to stick it in. That would not happen.
Speaker 2: Okay. That would not
Speaker 1: happen. Okay. So, you know, I I kind of, my my my question is obviously this was a video call. Right? No.
On the phone it wasn't a video call? No. I'm not I'm not talking about right now. Never video called her. Never video called her?
Okay. Okay. But, you know, obviously, I think you were kind of getting a little bit carried away there rather than joking because this was at night and, you know. Obviously we heard you on the phone just now and we heard you on the phone in the video call or not sorry, the other, the other call. And you know how I know
Speaker 2: it wasn't kind of just, you know how I
Speaker 1: know it wasn't fully joking. It was kind of, how do I put it? You were breathing pretty heavily on the audio call. The first one, little bit. Uh-huh.
So were you kind
Speaker 2: of just Walking maybe.
Speaker 1: You weren't walking, you were at home.
Speaker 2: Home? The the
Speaker 1: cold, I mean unless you were, I mean were you in the town square saying you wanted to lick her vagina or?
Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't. No.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, she also asked, would you wanna do the stuff we talked about on the phone? Okay. And you and you said, yes.
Speaker 2: Okay. Jokingly, but no, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: But, this was today though.
Speaker 2: I'd say I wouldn't do it. Okay. I wouldn't do it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So, what I kind of, I'm worried about, you know, for for your sake obviously, you know, the messages are the messages whatever. It's more of kind of like, you know, what's on telegram. All of that type of stuff because are you like, are you single right now or? I'm single. Okay.
You're single. Alright. You have you have a job. You got a lot going for you right now and I'm kind of worried about what's on Telegram. I can
Speaker 2: unfriend those people. I can unfriend those people.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you know, I'm not referring to kids on Telegram. Right? I'm referring to people who are into kids on Telegram. Okay.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, my my question for you is those pictures on Telegram, are you taking any of those pictures yourself? No. No? Okay. So, these because, you know, I understand.
Yeah. Okay. With a 16 year old, you fucked up. It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 3: Are you
Speaker 2: talking about
Speaker 1: that group? Yes. Telegram? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't even look at that. Okay. Okay. Some some person randomly has
Speaker 1: Okay. And it's a group with inappropriate photos pretty much?
Speaker 2: Some of them. Okay. So, not some. 1. Yeah.
1.
Speaker 1: Okay. And it's basically,
Speaker 3: I
Speaker 1: mean, what
Speaker 2: I don't even Okay. Looking at
Speaker 1: Well, it gives me a peace of mind because, you know, I know you're not here, you know, you're not out to get anybody or anything like that. It's more of the people in the Philippines like taking those photos is the problem. Right? So I think I think I think part of the reason we're talking to you is you can kind of help us figure out what's going on in that group. So what what photos that are inappropriate are in the group like
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like I said, I don't go in so I don't really know what's in there.
Speaker 1: Well, you you did at one point, you know, maybe you don't go in there anymore. But, like, I what did you see to say, oh, shit. I don't wanna go in here anymore. And, and I'm not blaming you. I'm just saying they added you.
Speaker 2: Older women. I didn't see I I don't see any younger women in that group.
Speaker 3: Okay. I
Speaker 2: got some older women.
Speaker 3: Okay. I
Speaker 2: don't think that there are any young women. Okay.
Speaker 1: But you said you don't go in there anymore?
Speaker 2: No. I don't have.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'll be obviously on Telegram, I'm asking about, like, the the younger the younger ones. Like, why okay.
Speaker 2: Younger. I didn't see any younger ones.
Speaker 1: On telegram? Okay.
Speaker 2: Nate, I
Speaker 1: was in the groups with you.
Speaker 2: What group?
Speaker 1: The group you were referring to where you said there was one inappropriate photo. I was in the group with you, man. Alright. I'm just gonna try and make sure we're on the same page here. Okay.
Look, I know you're not taking.
Speaker 2: Well, it might be something, some of them, but I don't go in that, I haven't been in that group.
Speaker 1: You haven't been in that group? When's the last time you were in it?
Speaker 2: Not much. Month ago? 2 months? I don't know. Okay.
I don't, I don't go in there.
Speaker 1: Okay. So so it's not something you look at. It it it's more of just, it's just kind of in the chats and you just kind of ignore it. Is that what it is? Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so that's that's the young group. Right? Okay. So look, again again, man, I'm not here to.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think somebody kicked me out of this.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. But, when I when I refer to like the young the young group. Okay. Since you told me you didn't take any of the photos in there.
I'm not coming at you in a hard way about that. I'm just, you know, because we obviously we we don't want anybody, you know, getting fucked here. Right? What were they what were these idiots sending in that group? Because it's not your it's not your photos but you were in there and you can tell me.
It's more I care more about those idiots than you, Nate.
Speaker 2: What I saw is this, like, new new videos are are and some some were were getting having sex with older men.
Speaker 1: Okay. And best of your knowledge, how old do would these girls look to you?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Somewhere as young as 8. 8? Okay.
Speaker 1: For sure. Okay. So you haven't clicked on this group in a while. Right?
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So so it's not something you're accessing. It's more of just kind of in your telegram right now and you're not really fucking with it? Yeah.
Okay. Don't pull out your phone and, show me, but what's the group if you can remember.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Don't know. Is this advertised some young bullshit or something like that?
Speaker 2: No. I don't even remember what it started with. But when they somebody kicks you out, it's gone. It's It's completely gone.
Speaker 1: So how many times you've been kicked out of those groups?
Speaker 2: I only joined that one. I mean, that that's
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now went to see what it was. Sure. That was it.
Speaker 1: Okay. But but you said, like but, you know, I and I appreciate you not accessing it, but it it's just it's just kind of if you go on your telegram, you'll just see it like with a bunch of notifications that you didn't open.
Speaker 3: Is that what
Speaker 2: you'll see? No. When someone kicks you out of the group, it's completely gone. You can't see nothing.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you said you're you said they still have you added to the group, but you just haven't opened it in a while.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm in that group. I don't I don't think so. You don't
Speaker 1: think you're in that group thing?
Speaker 2: I am. I don't go ahead I don't go in it. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: So on Facebook, I mean, has anybody has has anybody, like, kinda sent you those images and you didn't wanna see them? Because it's important to say it now because, obviously, this is your chance to kinda separate yourself from those people doing that stuff.
Speaker 2: No. Nobody's sending images.
Speaker 1: Okay. It's only been on Telegram? Yeah. Okay. Has anybody has anybody kind of DM'd you those images And, if if they did, like, do you know their name?
Speaker 2: No. No one's DM'd me.
Speaker 1: Directly. Okay. It's kind of just, in in the group? Okay. Okay.
So, these videos were like of 8 year olds getting raped pretty much?
Speaker 2: From the dad's uncle. Who knows?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. How long would these would these videos usually last?
Speaker 2: Some are only seconds, some are minute.
Speaker 1: A minute? Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't look at them.
Speaker 1: So in this in in the span of, like, a minute, kinda what happens in the video? Like, what's happened in 2nd 0, what happens at at the end, like, and obviously, like, I I know you don't wanna relive having to see that, but it's more like, you know, what can we do to figure out to help these kids. Right? So what happens minute second 0, minute 1?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't watch the whole thing. I don't know. Okay. It was like they started a guy and a girl started having sex and that was it. Okay.
That's
Speaker 1: quick. Were there any young boys in those groups too?
Speaker 2: Maybe. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just asking, did you see any like No.
Speaker 2: No? Okay.
Speaker 1: So when did you make your Telegram account?
Speaker 2: Last week, it's been a year.
Speaker 1: Recently?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Not
Speaker 1: Not recently or Couple months ago?
Speaker 2: Okay. So how how did
Speaker 1: you get introduced to telegram?
Speaker 2: Good question. Maybe somebody on Facebook. I mean, Instagram.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's typically how it goes. Okay. So what I I didn't
Speaker 2: know what it was. I thought it was, like, some app. You send something to somebody or something. I don't know. I didn't know what that
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, did you so the the when they sent you this Telegram link, did it take you to a group?
Speaker 2: No. Somebody has to add you to a group. Okay. Did it take
Speaker 1: you to, like, a channel or something? No. Okay. So who added you to this, like, child porn group?
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a
Speaker 1: So A link?
Speaker 2: A link?
Speaker 1: Okay. So did this come from Instagram or
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Makes sense.
Speaker 2: I saw what it was and I didn't go into it, you know. Okay. Okay. I see.
Speaker 1: So, who sent you that link on Instagram?
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Okay. But basically, Nate, the the the issue is that in order for them to send you a link like that, I mean maybe you got carried away. I know it's Internet bullshit, but you kinda have to be conversing about minors in a way. Because I I've never on my Instagram account have had a link sent to me on Telegram and then I open it and it's child porn. They have to really know who they are sending that to.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they send it. I don't think it's talking about minors.
Speaker 1: Okay. So they sent you a, they said they said, so they just sent you a link on Telegram or for for Telegram and you open it and it's just fucking child born. Okay. And how how many months ago was
Speaker 2: this? A month.
Speaker 1: A month ago? Okay.
Speaker 2: I got my end of group, so what it was and that was it. Alright. That helped. Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you live with anybody?
Speaker 2: My older sister.
Speaker 1: Your older sister. Okay. Would do you think she would, appreciate what you have on your phone?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 1: Okay. And you know, I don't mean dick fix. Right? Okay. You know, and you know what I mean?
What you have saved on your phone?
Speaker 2: I don't have anything saved.
Speaker 1: No. Nothing saved? Okay. But if she opened your telegram, she probably wouldn't be proud of what's on there, would she?
Speaker 2: Well, I think those boots are gone.
Speaker 1: You think they're gone?
Speaker 3: I think
Speaker 2: they're gone. Okay. I'm pretty actually pretty sure because when someone kicks you out, it's gone. The whole group's gone.
Speaker 1: Why would they kick you out?
Speaker 2: They don't participate.
Speaker 1: You don't participate. Okay. So You're
Speaker 2: joining a group that wants you to send stuff to get stuff. Right? Right. No. I
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Somebody joins a group and they don't you don't send stuff, they're gonna kick you out.
Speaker 1: Okay. So were they asking you to send stuff?
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're asking me to. I went in the group, saw what it was, ignored it. Uh-huh. Then, it's gone.
Okay.
Speaker 1: So, how many how many groups this happened with?
Speaker 2: Just that one.
Speaker 1: Just that one? Okay. So, you you told me that on your telegram though, there is a group still sitting there that you've just been ignoring. I appreciate you ignoring it, but you told me there's
Speaker 3: a group of I don't even know
Speaker 2: what kind of grip that is, but there there is a group, but it's not a porn group.
Speaker 3: Okay. Do
Speaker 1: you think they accidentally maybe set some child porn in that group? That you've been ignore I mean, you gotta be ignoring it for some reason.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think this child put him back here. Okay. So Mostly annoying videos, like
Speaker 1: Annoying videos. Like, what what kind of annoying videos?
Speaker 3: It's all
Speaker 2: the people, but it's not not not not much nudity. Okay. Just stupid video. I don't know. Okay.
But, anyway, it's not much new to me that happens.
Speaker 1: So going back in the phone conversation with Emily, I mean, you did you talk about working at a warehouse at all or?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: Okay. I think
Speaker 2: it mentioned.
Speaker 1: So, so was that a joke also or?
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: No? Okay. So the, so when he became sexual that was all a joke and then everything else was okay. Okay. Now, you see how that doesn't really make any sense?
Speaker 2: It's true. I wouldn't do anything with the kids. Never. No. I would never do anything with the kids.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, that's pretty much all you follow online. Just exclusively kids. That's all. Okay.
75%. Filipinos. Yeah. A lot of them are Filipinos. Okay.
And that's and that also happens to be where a lot of, child porn is filmed in the Philippines.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I haven't seen any films from porn. Okay.
Speaker 1: And you're at a park here to meet an 11 year old. Yes. Okay. And then in one of the messages, you say, I wish I was making love to you right now.
Speaker 2: Apologies. I would never do it. Okay. That's where
Speaker 1: But do you, do you say that to everybody? Do you say that to men too online or? No. No? But it's just joking.
Okay.
Speaker 2: I get I get your point. Okay.
Speaker 3: What happened to me?
Speaker 1: Okay. Nate, we're just gonna be okay. We gotta be frank here because obviously what you're saying isn't adding up. Alright. And you know, I didn't talk to you at your house with your sister around.
We were talking to you here where nobody's around. We didn't go we didn't go to the park and announce all the parents. Hey. Look what's going on. Alright.
And we're talking to you here. So let's let's cut the fucking bullshit. Okay? When did this when did this crap kind of start for you, man? Like these feelings?
Because obviously, if you're messaging if you're you're messaging 30 kids online. It's a it's a it's a pattern. You're messaging more kids than adults.
Speaker 2: Well, I tell you, well I don't message is just Facebook friends.
Speaker 1: Okay. But, you have more kids. You're more in. You have more friends as kids than adults. Okay?
You're on the sex offender registry. You're here to meet an 11 year old ever talk sexually to her. You said today you wanna do all that sexual stuff but you don't want to do it at the park obviously.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, that's bullshit.
Speaker 2: No. It's not. Okay. So It's not.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, whatever. It doesn't it doesn't matter. I mean, you you know, you're ready just you're ready to just made this look terrible for you. So when did this crap I mean, the best you can do is just, I mean, I still don't think you need trouble.
I think you probably need some help for this type of stuff because seems to be an seems to be an addiction at this point. Okay. So so truly when did this stuff kind of start for you? Like
Speaker 2: So a couple months, a year.
Speaker 1: Last year? So what So you so within a year, you go from just nothing online to being in groups of child porn in it? I mean, did that all happen in a year? Or I
Speaker 2: told you, when I found out it was a group porn, I left. I didn't go into it. I'm not. Okay. Once I saw what the set videos, I I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you clicked on a video, watched it. You saw images.
Speaker 2: That was. Yes. Okay. That's it. Nothing more.
Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, basically, Nate, you have an android, don't you? You have an android? Okay. That phone is not hard to get into, man. It's not hard to see that.
You're telling me probably 75% of the truth. You're not telling me the full truth. Androids are very easy to get into and see what the fuck is going on with the androids. Okay? Your name on Telegram is
Speaker 2: Always use 6 This is not a method method to it is
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand.
Speaker 2: Even my, even my email.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: But looking at your Telegram activity, you're not on Telegram for innocent shit, man.
Speaker 2: I can just deactivate. I can get rid of Telegram.
Speaker 1: Well, basically, my, my thing is on Telegram, why, why is so much child porn being sent to you?
Speaker 2: How is it being sent? I don't know. I don't John, that group saw what it was, and I I didn't go back into it, and then they kicked me out. Okay. That's the only group.
Speaker 1: Would you mind showing me your telegram?
Speaker 2: There is this one group. I don't well, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: Well, you
Speaker 1: don't have to click on any groups. We can just kind of,
Speaker 2: This is the one I'm talking about. This is the one I'm talking about. I don't even know what it is. Okay. I don't go in it.
No minors.
Speaker 1: Okay. Can you, can you, which which group had the
Speaker 2: Cassidy.
Speaker 1: Okay. Here, you can scroll down a
Speaker 2: little bit if you don't mind. And these are no groups. These are just people. These are just stupid groups. I don't know what these are.
2 groups. There you go. Yeah. Nothing's there. See?
Nothing's there.
Speaker 1: Okay. Go back.
Speaker 2: It's the one same thing. Nothing there.
Speaker 1: Go back. Wait. Here it
Speaker 2: reminds me. Am I may I see it real quick?
Speaker 1: So this was since September 12th.
Speaker 2: May I see your gallery, please? My gallery.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What's that, what's that Russian thing right there? What? Yeah. Right right there.
What's that?
Speaker 2: Yes. I don't know. Okay. Russian.
Speaker 3: May I
Speaker 2: see your phone gallery, please? Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, Nate, I mean, you can just tell me, like, we're we're here we're we're literally here to talk to you here about it. Is there anything you own your gallery you should get rid of? Okay. You wanna show me your gallery?
Speaker 2: Yeah. You still have it? No. I don't wanna show it to you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well
Speaker 2: There's nothing in there.
Speaker 1: There's nothing in there, but you don't wanna show me?
Speaker 2: No. Okay. Like I said, I I'll get there's a Telegram problem, and I'll stop talking to those people. Okay.
Speaker 1: But but you're in channels on Telegram called teen naked teen videos.
Speaker 2: There's nothing there. You saw it.
Speaker 3: There's nothing
Speaker 1: there. I saw there's nothing there. Okay.
Speaker 2: And I don't go in.
Speaker 3: Can you
Speaker 1: see if Caine's is open?
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure. I'm telling you, I don't go into those things because
Speaker 1: Okay. So what's on your gallery you don't want to show me?
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 1: Nothing? There's no images on your gallery? No? Nothing? No.
Okay. Well, Nate, I mean, obviously I mean, obviously that's I think where, I think that's where the problem is man. Alright. I mean, you're you're literally, I mean, this is literally literally your chance right now. Okay?
Look. Look. Dude. I was on a diet. I fuck up and slip up sometimes man.
I really do. I really do. Okay? But obviously common sense knows what's on your gallery. Okay?
Nate, we already saw what's on the gallery. Your phone's a fucking piece of shit. You're not, but your phone is. Okay? We saw what's on the gallery.
We saw what's on the gallery. Okay?
Speaker 2: Hey. I'll get rid of everything
Speaker 1: and I'll get
Speaker 2: my help.
Speaker 1: How much do you think you need to get rid of on the gallery?
Speaker 2: Nope. There's not a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm not I don't mean selfies of you. You can keep those. You look like Keanu Reeves anyway. Maybe you can catfish some chicken to thinking you are.
Get rid
Speaker 2: of those lenses. I'll get rid of all the minors.
Speaker 1: On your gallery?
Speaker 2: On Facebook and everywhere.
Speaker 1: Okay. But basically yeah. You shouldn't have minor friends on Facebook, but it's not like it's that can't get you in trouble. People might just look at you weird, which you're used to that anyway at this point. But, yeah.
It's it's it's what's on your gallery. Okay? Like I'm not like, you know, I I I can't like, I can't go through every fucking image on your gallery and see. You need to give me a ballpark of what, how many images on your gallery can get you in some trouble.
Speaker 2: Not many.
Speaker 1: Not many. So throw out a number that you think is most accurate. 5? Okay. Are these videos pictures or kind of both?
Pictures? Okay. And like, I I get most of what you were saying you don't save and I appreciate. But, hey, like everybody here, we've always screw up. Right?
And, we all we always screw up and, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to say it's like the best thing in the world, but I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say, you know, it's just something you need to get fixed. Alright? So these these these 5 these 5 pictures, what's going on in them?
Speaker 2: Just a new new girl. Okay. Is
Speaker 1: it? And how how old is she supposed to be? Her look? 15? 15, 16?
Okay. So, I don't really think 15 or 16 year old will have flat chest and narrow hips.
Speaker 3: I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened there.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you have in there?
Speaker 3: You think it's
Speaker 1: but you think it's 5 you need to delete?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't look at my pictures.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, so where did you save those pictures from?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe that group or Okay. Maybe. Maybe I think. Okay.
I don't even know what.
Speaker 1: Nate, we've talked to quite a few people who are kind of up to no good about this type of stuff and, you know, I put you on the list of the worst like here's the worst. I put you all the way down here. I don't think you're near the worst at all. I I think you're more someone that needs, you know, some help and a, you know, a little kick in the butt instead of trouble. Right.
Right. But, you know, the go to number of people we talk to is, oh, there were 15, 16. Then it always goes down to 12 or 13. Oh, well, they were. It always goes down to that.
Yeah I know I I know you're not but 15, 16 is the go to number for them. Okay? Because yeah 15, 16 could be, it's not necessarily, a good thing but you know, nobody's going to just think like you need to, nobody is going to think you need to be thrown in the ocean because you're 15, 16 year old.
Speaker 2: So
Speaker 1: I need to ask truly. How old, how young do you think these pictures go? Because you didn't take them yourself. You can tell me and not have to worry about fucking shit. But it's it's more of why you got them where you're getting them from.
But how young do these pictures really go that are on your phone?
Speaker 2: Maybe 12.
Speaker 1: 12.
Speaker 3: 12?
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 1: Okay. Do they look about 12?
Speaker 2: Yep. I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this, say say they are 12. I mean do you think that's the most accurate age to put on them? Like you know, I look at you and think probably 43 or something. You may be 43 or 45.
Right? But you know it's a ballpark number. You look at me and probably think like 35 or something. So you know, I'm not 35 but it, you know, if you had if you had a guess. So if you had a guess how young is that picture or those pictures.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what what you want to get talking about so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I asked you, you said you have like about 5 images of basically naked kids on your phone. I'm asking
Speaker 2: Just kids? I don't I don't go through my pictures. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, why why did so you you told me that you had like 5 images on your phone that could get you in trouble
Speaker 2: Naked. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Of naked girls. You didn't wanna show me your gallery for a reason.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what's in my gallery. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna look?
Speaker 2: I just screenshot their names. That's all. Okay. I see it. I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you told me that there's 5 nude pictures on your gallery of, like, a 15, 16 year old. Not. K. Well No.
I don't.
Speaker 2: I told you, I don't go through my picture.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, why did you say there was 5 pictures? I mean, you only went through, like, 10 to 10 pictures anyway. I mean, it's not like there's a
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot.
Speaker 1: You don't have a lot? Okay. Well, You know, obviously, Nate,
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'll be at help. I'll get a counselor to get help.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask if this happen again.
Speaker 1: Alright. Well, you're gonna talk to them. Hello? How's it going, sir?
Speaker 2: Doing alright. How can I help whoever
Speaker 3: called?
Speaker 1: We we called. This individual named Nathan sex offender here in town. Okay. And he tried to meet who he thought was an 11 year old girl here at the park today. And and he also told us that, he also told us that on his phone he's accessed child porn within the past month of like an 8 year old, I'm I'm like an 8?
Speaker 3: Well, how
Speaker 1: how was it?
Speaker 2: There was a a group on telegram that had child pornography, but I got I didn't look in it. Alright. And then and then Do I have an ID on you? You don't have an idea on you at all? What's your birthday, sir?
Speaker 3: What's your first name, sir? Nathan. Nathan, what's your last name? What's that?
Speaker 2: Would you mind having would you mind staying in my car so I can talk to you, get some information? You have anything on your motorcycle car, or is it what's, Just remind us
Speaker 1: what's your name, sir? Alex in his gallery, there could be some images of kids naked. He said, like, probably 4 or 5 and he showed me like 10 pictures in his gallery. Did you volunteer these photos to you? Yes.
He showed me like 10 pictures in his gallery. None of them were like illegal, but I don't know what was in the rest of his gallery. Like, he he said there's, like, probably 5 images he needs to get rid of that could get him in trouble on there.
Speaker 2: Would you mind giving me a written statement Yeah.
Speaker 3: To change this set?
Speaker 1: Yeah. And we have it all on film too.
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In this video, Speaker 1 confronts Dennis Gilliam about his alleged involvement in certain Signal and Telegram groups. Dennis claims to have no knowledge of these groups and suggests that he may have been added without his consent. Speaker 1 believes Dennis is not the creator of these groups and wants to collaborate in identifying the real culprits. They discuss the possibility of Dennis being transferred to these groups through links posted on Facebook. Speaker 1 emphasizes that their main focus is finding the individuals responsible for creating and participating in these groups, rather than accusing Dennis.
Additionally, the video discusses how the speaker was led to various groups on Signal through provocative photos on Facebook. They mention that both boys and girls are being posted in these groups, with mainly women being posted in the videos. The age range of individuals in the groups is mostly teens and twenties. The speaker admits to clicking on links and seeing pictures and videos but claims to have quickly exited when uncomfortable. They mention that the groups are primarily in Spanish and that they have seen links with pictures and videos being posted. However, the frequency of inappropriate content being posted in the groups remains uncertain.
The video also features a conversation between Speaker 1, Speaker 2, and Speaker 3. Speaker 1 confronts Speaker 2 about his alleged involvement in groups that post explicit content involving minors. Speaker 2 denies any knowledge or intent to view such content, but Speaker 1 presses for more information. Speaker 3, who is also present, shares that he has grandchildren and works in mental health. The conversation becomes tense as Speaker 1 accuses Speaker 2 of clicking on videos featuring young children. Speaker 2 admits to accidentally clicking on such videos multiple times. The conversation continues with Speaker 1 explaining their organization's work and Speaker 2's involvement. The video ends with Speaker 2 deleting evidence from his phone.
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Speaker 1: Locals fucking do it.
Speaker 2: You say what?
Speaker 1: If we if we make content, just go live on locals. Okay. Uh-oh. We got a guard dog. How's it going?
Good. Is there a, Dennis Gilliam here? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2: What you got?
Speaker 1: How's it going? Got a package for you, sir. They put your, phone number on it. I have the right one. It's 8187.
Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm boarding up, probably. Nice to meet you, bro. We got some stuff on signal that we should probably go over. We can talk about it in in private.
Anyways, you wanna kinda go over there? Okay. Alright. Cool. Love your dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guys have your son over there?
Speaker 2: Grandson.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. I mean, we can, if anybody asks what's going on, I'll just change the subject. It's all good. My name is Gordon, by the way.
Sorry to be sure like this, but it's got us some important stuff to probably go over. It's about some, kind of groups on signal and telegram that kind of we've been in here on that. And just trying to kinda figure out what's going on here. Yeah. You know, obviously, I know you're a good guy and you're a family man and stuff.
And I think, you know, we could probably come together and kinda figure out what's going on with all this stuff. What's the dog's name?
Speaker 2: Jasper.
Speaker 1: Oh. Hi, Jasper. Boy or girl? He's a boy. Okay.
Speaker 2: And, Jessie's over here. She's a girl.
Speaker 1: Alright. Cool, man. So, yeah, I I kinda wanna ask about these groups, like, on on like, when when did you first get the signal app?
Speaker 2: I've had signal for, video calls.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Got it. And what about a Telegram?
Speaker 2: I don't belong to Telegram.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's kind of been gone. Telegram's been gone?
Speaker 2: Been gone?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay. So just signal?
Speaker 2: Signal and, Zoom and, seem like there's another
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: For some calls. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Do you know about when, you might have got signal? Because
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a clue.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was, to talk to somebody, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No problem. So there are some groups here, that either somebody has put you in or whatever. Some way, somehow, we just found the group.
This group called Little Angels For Love.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 1: Okay. Because, you know, you you've had signal for a while and, you know, I've had those types of apps. I don't know about signal specifically, but, you know, I know on those apps you can get, like, a lot of people just adding you to bullshit and stuff like that. Yeah. And I don't know.
I'm thinking that could have happened because there's a a few groups that, you know, that they put your pro your doodle. Right?
Speaker 2: Okay. No. I don't know. Okay. We don't doodle on anything.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. I mean, that's is that just the name you kinda use on signal? Just doodle?
Speaker 2: It probably is. I just make up names when I'm not gonna use the app. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No problem. But they've added this, you know, doodle profile with your number on it to to to quite a few groups, on on signal. And, you know, I'm kind of here to figure out
Speaker 2: I didn't know they had groups. I've got groups on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Groups on Facebook? Yeah. Well, no. Signal is not really groups. Yeah.
It's not really groups. It's more like group messages kind of for a lot of people. Does that kind of ring more of a bell? No. Okay.
Well, some of these groups that
Speaker 2: I don't think I've even got Zoom on my I'm sure it's still on the phone, but I I mean, I didn't delete it, but I don't I haven't used it in forever.
Speaker 1: No. I'm talking about signal with this.
Speaker 2: All signal? Yeah. Yeah. Well, same thing.
Speaker 1: Just okay. Well, there
Speaker 2: is Same.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No problem. Well, there's there's group chats that, people have added, your phone number to. And I'm kinda here to figure some stuff out about that. Like, I don't think, know, obviously, I don't think you're a bad person.
I'm trying to figure out, did you, like, create any of these groups yourself?
Speaker 2: No. I've never created a group on Facebook or anywhere else.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Well, I mean, I know everybody is on groups on Facebook. I mean, shit in my own neighborhood, I am. I mean, if you have any bit of social skills, you'll be in a group on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But
Speaker 2: Most of them is old history like.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But, you know, I'm talking about kind of these group chats on signal that people are adding you to.
There's one called Dark World Here and Little Angels For Love. I kinda just wanna know kinda when they started adding you to this because, you know
Speaker 2: I don't have a clue. Like I said, I haven't been there for forever.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you know, Dennis, I didn't come here to kind of ask you about if you are in the groups. I just came here to ask when you were at and stuff like that. Because, you know, I didn't come to your house thinking you are a bad guy. I didn't come to your house thinking that you are the head of any of this stuff.
I think more we can kind of just figure out what's in the groups. Kind of figure out who's doing it and go after the real bad guys with this type of stuff. Because, I mean, you told me you're a grandfather.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's pretty important, I think, to fight this stuff together. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
Speaker 1: So, you know What are
Speaker 2: we fighting?
Speaker 1: Well, we're fighting kind of there's people in these groups. I'm sure as you know because they've added me to a few of them. And they're posting, like, pictures of just younger people.
Speaker 2: Oh, no. I haven't haven't added any pictures or anything. I haven't put any on Facebook in a long time. I haven't been fishing in a while.
Speaker 1: No. Sure. No. I'm talking about the, signal groups though. Yeah.
Like the signal group chat.
Speaker 2: I haven't added anything to anything.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So you didn't post anything in those groups? Uh-uh. Okay.
That's kind of what I think it is. I think they just kind of been adding you to shit and it's kind of that they're doing it while you're just kind of around. You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: Like, well, as we had, DISH Network
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And, hell, I got added to a bunch of shit in there and come to find out, I'd spend it 3, 4 dollars a month. With additional
Speaker 1: okay. Okay. When's the last time you were on signal? Oh, it's been ages. Ages.
Okay. Well, you know, Dennis, we can just kinda I'm just gonna let you know, man. And, you know, like I said, dude, I mean, do do you still work? Yeah. Okay.
What what do you what do you do for work?
Speaker 2: I work 2nd shift at, ABB in Portland.
Speaker 1: What does that do?
Speaker 2: I work, in, industrial maintenance.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: We make, the blue plastic boxes for plug ins and Mhmm. Light fixtures.
Speaker 1: Oh, so literally you keep the world going?
Speaker 2: Well, pretty much. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate that shit, man.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: We definitely need more people in the industry rather than just, you know.
Speaker 2: What you need me to do or
Speaker 1: Well, I I kinda wanna figure out why this happened because, you know, you are too good of a person to kinda be around these people. And, you know, everybody kind of falls into bullshit online. I mean, it's fucking Internet. Okay? And, you know, I am kind of trying to to figure out like, is this something that's like a pattern?
Is this something that's just been starting to happen? I don't know. Because, you know, all I know is that they are adding into these groups or somehow you are finding them. But, I think what you can kind of help me with is where are these groups coming from. Like how are these groups being advertised to where?
Because I don't think you are online just looking up dark world. I don't think that's happening. But I think if we can kind of get like a source of where it's coming from, I think that's something we can come together on and kind of separate you from all those those people. So, you kind of know where those groups would be advertised for people to just find or click on?
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have a clue. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, how how did how did you get into these groups? I
Speaker 2: don't have a clue there either. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, how how do you think people have been adding you to this stuff? Because, again, I don't think it's you I don't think it's you doing this. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know I've had my Facebook back before, but, like I said, I haven't done this. I haven't been on Zoom in forever. Well, this is signal. Well, signal, I haven't been on that.
To me, it's the same thing because that's what it was used for with video call.
Speaker 1: To video call? Okay. Who introduced signal to you?
Speaker 2: I was trying to think who contacted me. Mhmm. Shit. I can't remember now, but it one of my friends, I'm sure, from years ago. But, like I said, I haven't used it in ages ages.
Speaker 1: Okay. You just, what, talk to your friends online and shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah. At that time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. I
Speaker 2: think it might have been one one of my buddies died, and we might have been trying to get together to some of
Speaker 1: the families. Oh, really? Who who is it that
Speaker 2: like Peewee Belcher. Chester Beller.
Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
Speaker 2: In Kentucky. He died about a year ago now.
Speaker 1: Oh, really? Is he, like, your best friend or something? Or
Speaker 2: yeah. He used to be well, he used to be pretty tight.
Speaker 1: Damn. How did he die, if I may ask?
Speaker 2: They failed at the natural causes. He was 63, I think, 64.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And
Speaker 2: they got to miss him a couple of days and found him in his room.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Did you go to his funeral?
Speaker 2: No. I did not.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a funeral there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You didn't have, like, no family or anything? Or Just
Speaker 2: had him cremated and Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I'm sorry to hear that. You okay for that?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's good. Do you, like, work still work full time and all that?
Speaker 2: Yes. Nice,
Speaker 1: man. Take
Speaker 2: a shift. That's where I'm headed now.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you know, Dennis, like, these kind of groups here, I really am very sure that you're not the head of any of this stuff and that you didn't create this. But, you know, I kind of want to figure out, like, again, how this is happening because I didn't come here on a question. I came here that there's some things that we do know. There's, like, obviously, that they put you in a group or some way said how you joined them.
Maybe you didn't know what they were. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if people, like, just linked you and said join my group before and when you click on it, it's just been some other shit you didn't expect. I'm trying to think of a reason that this would be happening, man.
Speaker 2: No. I haven't like I said, I haven't been to signal in forever, so I haven't clicked on join anything.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I mean, on on signal groups, they can add you to it. Like, they can, you know, put your name in there, but you actually have to physically press join on these. And you may not see what's there before you press join, but, you know, if they just added you randomly and you didn't join, you wouldn't be listed on here. So you press you press join, but I'm just trying to know if this is what you expected it to be or whatever because, you know, obviously, you're a grandfather.
I'm sure you don't condone the stuff they're posting in here. I did not.
Speaker 2: So Like I said, I don't I didn't know I was in any group's own signal or
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, Dennis, I'm gonna have to just lightly counter you on that because, you know, we can kinda see that there's some stuff clicked on in those groups. Okay? Like it wasn't just, like you to your credit, you haven't posted anything we have we've seen. And I don't think you'd ever take it that far.
But, you know, there has been stuff clicked on and there's truly a difference between, you know, watching a car wreck versus crashing cars. Right? And, if some of this stuff was just sometime a morbid curiosity or whatever, I don't know. But I'm trying to kind of give you the benefit of the doubt here with this stuff because, you know, it's it's it's more than one group and it looks like it's a lot of foreigners in there just kind of fussing around. I mean, is it I mean, Dennis, like, you told me that you got signal to start with video calling people which which yeah.
That's totally fine. I mean but like I said, dude, I've been in that position where I've gotten that for one thing that turns into a kind of a shit show, with other stuff. And is that could that have been something that happened with you here? Because, you know, we're not gonna deny it happened because it it just did. And we saw stuff that was clicked on.
To your credit, you weren't on there 247, just clicking, clicking, clicking. That's not you. But morbid curiosity, I have no idea. Like, I'm trying to figure out what it is. Like, was this a curiosity that you wanted to initiate yourself or did someone bring into this?
I'm trying that's what I'm trying to figure out here, dude.
Speaker 2: I haven't I didn't know I was clicking on anything.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, Dennis, man, I'm just gonna ask you, dude, like, just man to man. Okay? You work too hard. Okay?
You have a lot. Like, don't don't let some Internet bullshit just kind of bite come bite you in the ass when it doesn't have to because I'm more concerned about who's actually producing this type of stuff in these groups. I'm not really concerned about you. The only reason I'm here at your house is because I'm 99.9% sure that you have nothing to do with any of these photos or videos. That it's just people in the groups that actually do doing this stuff.
And, I think you can kind of help me with stuff. That's what I'm here for, man. And I was thinking, especially since you I don't know you had grandkids, but especially since you have kids of your own, I thought this was something that we can kind of, come together on, man. Okay? You're not the creator of the signal app.
You're you're not the one who made any of these groups. I don't think. No. Okay. Unless you just learn Spanish in the sticks of Tennessee, which I freaking doubt that happened.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But it it's more of something that I just care about what they're kind of who's doing it? Who's actually doing the participation in there? And, I mean, I don't think you're doing any of that. But, you know, obviously people get the wrong idea just seeing you kind of listed in there and that's kind of what separate. I wanna I wanna separate you and actually find the real bad guys, the producers of this stuff.
And, you know, that's not something that I don't want help on, man. Like, I didn't come here with all the answers. I came here with just basic knowledge that some stuff was clicked on in the group and that they either added you or you were listed in a bunch of them. Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, you know, one thing too, I mean, about Telegram, you know, I didn't hear the truth about Telegram. You were last on there February 6th. Alright? That's
Speaker 2: On Telegram? Yep. Okay. Not that I know of.
Speaker 1: 6068187. Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, yeah, you were less than
Speaker 2: Is that something that, you could be transferred to? Like, you go here and you go to a link and it goes there?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Could that have been what happened?
Speaker 2: It could have been. I don't know. If I was there, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Because I didn't come here kinda thinking, like, you know, you just go on signal and that's what you're looking for. That's not kind of, I mean, if that is I mean, is that the case? What?
Like, he just came on signal just kinda looking for this stuff? No. Okay.
Speaker 2: I haven't looked for anything.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Because there are there are 2 ways that this stuff kinda happens. 1 of them is one of them is, like, you just get signal. You know damn well what you wanna look for and it can be kind of rough.
Right? Then the other way is you mentioned something about you click a link and then it transfers you to something.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, I've done that on, on other sites. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So that's that's kind of what I think more because a lot of the foreigners in these groups like So Telegram,
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this person right here, in this in this little angels for love group, this Juan Per, we believe he's one of the admins of this group. So that's somebody, for example, who kind of makes the group himself for that explicit reason and, Do they
Speaker 2: profit from this group?
Speaker 1: Depends if they're selling stuff. That's what I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They they might. I mean, it'd be a pretty, pretty ballsy thing to do that for for charity.
Speaker 2: I've never paid to use signal. So
Speaker 1: Okay. So you haven't even bought any of this stuff? No. Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay. I haven't paid anything to signal. I thought it was all free.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
No. We don't see any, I mean, as far as I know, we don't see any records of you trying to buy any of this stuff either. So, I mean, if there's a totem pole to this shit, you're at the very, very bottom if you've been on it at all. I don't even think you are. But, so I was saying people like Juan are the ones that get signal for this explicit reason.
I mean, you said you got into video call somebody, but they get signal for this explicit reason. Make these groups and get people added to it that see that those type of people are people I'm actually going after. You, I mean, you mentioned that a link can transfer you to this shit. That's kind of what I was thinking it could have been. Okay?
That's more of like a benefit of the doubt thing where it's like, you know, you're browsing on a site. I mean, if you're on if you're on Instagram, you're not on Signal. You're not looking for Signal. So I guess that's a I guess that's a better I guess that's a better, question. Is there shit that's been posted on other sites like links that have led you to signal in some of these groups?
Because I think that's probably the best explanation here. But, that's probably the one that makes the most sense.
Speaker 2: That's what yeah. I mean, I haven't been on signal that I know. Mhmm. But, like I said, unless I was transferred there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Okay. Where do you think you could have been transferred from? Because I think those those platforms just allowing those links to be posted are kinda crazy too.
Speaker 2: It would have to be Facebook
Speaker 1: or Really? Or something.
Speaker 2: I would say TikTok, but I haven't been on TikTok in couple of years, I know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, signal is more recent than a couple of years, so it have to be a Facebook. Okay. So you think you think it's a it could be a high possibility that somebody was just in some Facebook comments posted a link to some random link and it led to like a signal group?
Speaker 2: Could have been.
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you happen to know when that could have been or what Facebook page it could have been on? Because that's, you know, obviously the source of that is pretty important. Obviously, you can create the Facebook page yourself, but it's more of being able to find that would be important.
Speaker 2: Lord, I'm in 5,000 groups on Facebook. I don't
Speaker 1: Goddamn, man.
Speaker 2: Collins fishing and lakes and state parks and
Speaker 1: Really? Okay. You're a nature guy.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: How many acres do you have?
Speaker 2: Acre and a quarter. God.
Speaker 1: When did you get this house?
Speaker 2: 2015.
Speaker 1: Right before it all.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 1: How's it going?
Speaker 3: It's going.
Speaker 1: Good. Right before it all just skyrocketed. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then right after we bought it, we had a kitchen fire.
Speaker 1: Nice. We had
Speaker 2: to move out, get all that fixed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's freaking how much did you get it for, if I may ask?
Speaker 2: 2.13.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's dude, it's probably worth 3 times the price now. I wouldn't doubt it. God, man. Freaking luck down.
Speaker 2: The house right the other side of that little gray pump house.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's sold for 7 780 something. It's
Speaker 4: not an issue.
Speaker 1: Dude. You ever think of selling this place? No. Well, yeah. It's pretty peaceful here.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right right next to Natural so you can do all the city shit, but it's like, don't even feel it, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We're like 10 minutes from Hendersonville or White House or Gallatin or wherever you want it to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's fucking nice. Is that your wife right there?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice, man. Do you you know, I'm I'm not married yet. I have a girlfriend of me and just guy to guy. Do you like watch porn?
Speaker 2: I have in the past, but not in a long time.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: My stuff ain't worked in a long time.
Speaker 1: Even do you just kind of, do you have an Instagram?
Speaker 2: No. Okay.
Speaker 1: So just Facebook. Do you just kind of, I mean, I do this on Instagram because I'm I'm kinda younger, but, you know, you're older, so Facebook maybe more sense. Do you, like, kind of, do you just kinda like browse on Facebook and maybe just like cute woman pop up and just kind of it's like one of them dancers.
Speaker 2: I am. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Because I don't think they're posting signal groups on fishing pages and, you know, hickory I
Speaker 2: wouldn't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's just your main page. Okay. It comes up then.
Speaker 1: So where do where do you think these links could have been posted to these signal groups? Because you said Facebook, but you you mentioned there's been some, there's been some just kind of, you know, tits and ass shaking, whatever.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be late.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm working on it.
Speaker 1: Uh-huh. Yeah. It's kinda it's kinda an important convo, but he's he'll get through it. Okay. Yeah.
Alright.
Speaker 2: Good afternoon. I really wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Because, I mean, that's really all that I go to is Facebook and, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Some games.
Speaker 2: I mean, I go to Games on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, not on Facebook, but, Google Play Store.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you think the highest probability of this happening is someone posted this link these links on some Facebook page and it just leads you to this? Probably. Okay. Okay.
That makes, that actually makes a lot of sense because, we can kind of see, kind of the difference in, I guess you could say levels of this. I mean, if your name is Doodle on there, I don't really think anything of Doodle, but if your name is, Danger Girls Videos, that's probably something to that might raise an eyebrow, I'd say, if you if you would agree on that, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But, you know, Danger Girl's videos and on Facebook just looking at like chicks in bikinis just kinda walking. He's he's he's on signal for one reason. Okay. So now that I know that this was not something that you actually went looking for, it was more something that you probably stumbled across. I think it's best that we, you know, kind of figure this out because I I really think you're doing a great job of separating yourself from these real assholes doing this type of shit.
Do you know about when it when those transfers started started from like say Facebook to Signal? Like, how long after you actually got Signal? If you if you're with your best guess?
Speaker 2: Probably pretty quick. Really? Yeah. I mean, when you when you get on the site, then it usually sends you stuff. But I don't think I've ever got any text or emails from you.
Speaker 1: Let me see. Excuse me one moment. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Oh. Like oh, like backward. Yeah. Of course. Who do you, deliver for, ma'am?
Just a local company. Oh. Sorry. Got it. Got it.
Cool.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day.
Speaker 2: T mode. I've got to swear I can't live without T mode.
Speaker 1: You like that you like that Chinese shit? You can't you can't escape it.
Speaker 2: Well, most of them I got is about the same thing that you buy, you know, Fast Pro or the Bellas or
Speaker 1: So is Timo actually, like, useful and shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Is it, like, that much cheaper? I haven't been on that. Yes. So a
Speaker 2: lot of things are. Some things aren't, but most of it is.
Speaker 1: So what's that, for example, that you got?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have to open it up and see. Alright.
Speaker 1: A little unboxing here.
Speaker 2: Oh, that is
Speaker 1: a yoga pad
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna slice up and make planer boards out of. There's 2 of them in
Speaker 1: there. Alright. How much long do y'all figure y'all gonna be talking? It could be a little bit. Alright.
Yeah. I'm on moving so I can get out and go to work. Yeah. Is that cool? Yeah.
Yeah. That's just a Where are you
Speaker 0: going in? That's just gonna
Speaker 2: take our car. Oh, okay. A Zippy Diver, some fishing pole rings, fishing line.
Speaker 1: Alright. All for $5?
Speaker 2: Probably. I think these were 2.30 something. The line was a dollar and something. Yeah. Most of it's 2 or 3 dollars.
Speaker 1: Golly, man. Bugger.
Speaker 2: What about the state?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm a water guy. Actually, yeah. Fuck it. Appreciate it.
God. This is getting good? It's good?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like it. Alright. It's still easy.
Speaker 1: Damn. It's not bad.
Speaker 2: No. I like it. So, what what do you need me to help you with? Well,
Speaker 1: I'll just wait. Is it Elswit? Is that is that your grandson?
Speaker 2: This is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How old is he?
Speaker 2: He's, 19. Oh, okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: God. He looks like he's, 25. 20. You ever played sports or anything?
Speaker 2: No. He played baseball a little bit. Little league.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he's, like, sick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No kidding, dude. Did he work where you knew?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice. So where you work, do you actually get, like, do you do you get, like, pay scale they scale you up and shit? Like, you are you, like, guessing the seniority and all that?
Speaker 2: They don't really go by seniority, but, yeah, they
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice. Alright. You get, like, benefits and all that? Yeah.
Speaker 4: How fuck
Speaker 2: are you, dude?
Speaker 1: Alright. Yeah. So I'm gonna plug it here. So you've been working how long have you been working there for?
Speaker 2: 10 years.
Speaker 1: Nice, man. What did you do before if I may ask?
Speaker 2: I worked at a die cast plant in Texas.
Speaker 1: Okay. What brought you down to Tennessee?
Speaker 2: My wife mostly.
Speaker 4: You you
Speaker 2: She lived down here, so I moved down here with her.
Speaker 1: Oh, you got married, like, recently again?
Speaker 2: 20 2018 we got married.
Speaker 1: Nice, man. So this is so this is your second wife or 3rd? 3rd. 3rd? Alright.
Nice. You think she's the one forever?
Speaker 2: I hope so.
Speaker 1: No, man. Definitely. Here here to be just like Trump. You gotta can have 4 wives? I mean
Speaker 2: So far, I hope not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I like him. I like him, but, you know, he's he's he's ran through women a lot. Yeah.
Yeah. Whatever. I don't know. I just want my fucking tax lower than the border closed, honestly. But alright.
Speaking of border closed, these freaking Spanish people are kind of an issue, man. Okay. So I'm thinking what happened is and again, that that's something I didn't know before coming here. That's something that actually gave me a peace of mind about all this. So you're browsing Facebook just being an older guy.
Fucking, who isn't? Some link pops up, you click on the link, it just leads you to a world of bullshit pretty much. Is that kind of?
Speaker 2: It happens a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Okay. So, so so, I mean, obviously, what I'm not asking is gonna be a tough question, but obviously, it's one that it's like the $1,000,000 question here kinda needs to be answered here, I I'd say, because, you know, one, this is a way to flip it around on these people actually doing it because, you know, if I could just talk to you then get in info on 30 guys who are actually into this stuff. I mean, what a win that is. Right?
Okay. So, when do these Facebook links just getting posted on there start turning into this type of shit?
Speaker 2: I don't I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: Okay. I mean, it's something that was recent? Is it something that was, like, been going on for a couple of years? Or
Speaker 2: no. I haven't been on the like I said, I only got on signal like a year ago. I think it's when I got on it. I was talking to some of my friends' family.
Speaker 1: Okay. But, you know, you mentioned to me that you've been transferred from groups from face or you've been transferred as signal from, like, Facebook links that people just randomly posted.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would say if that's if that's what happened, then that'd be the way that I'd get there.
Speaker 1: Okay. So what kind of links was it kinda leading you to? Like, were there groups other than this subject matter that they were leading you to? Like, were they leading to, like, NASCAR groups on signal? I don't think those really exist.
Speaker 2: I don't know what groups are on signal. I didn't know there were groups on. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just talking about these group mess these links to these group messages. I'm not talking about, like, a group on signal about, you know, Hickory, Tennessee or anything like that. Yeah. But you know, if you see if you've seen kind of provocative photos on Facebook of adults, which is whatever it's fucking fine. People post links on those all the time to shit that you're not even looking for.
And, you know, we know those were clicked on. We the only thing we could see is those groups were joined and that there was some stuff seen in those groups. We don't know where the link was clicked from. It doesn't tell us that. But, if you're saying Facebook, that's, that's a pretty believable thing.
That's something that would make a lot of sense. I don't think you were on the, you know, I don't think you were on the dark web just Yeah. Scoring for this. And then you see a link for signal. It doesn't really you don't really strike me as that type of guy to do that.
But, Dennis, I mean, it wasn't just one group. It was it it was a few. And, you know, I know we're just recently married and stuff like that and
Speaker 4: I get it man.
Speaker 1: Guys on the internet like dude, I have a girlfriend. You know
Speaker 4: how much I watch porn? Like fucking way
Speaker 1: way more than I like to admit to. That's fucking a lot. Fuck it 5 times a week at least. Alright? But I'm not even saying you're trying to watch porn.
I'm just saying that, yeah, when we see cleavage on Facebook or Instagram, it can definitely lead us to some other shit too. Okay? I'm not saying that you're the head of any of this shit. I'm just saying at some point, and I'm thinking it's from the Facebook links, you ended up in these groups. Okay?
If these groups didn't exist in the first place, you wouldn't be on them. If you if these people were decent human beings, they wouldn't be, you know, you wouldn't be on this shit. Right. It's obviously people leading sucking into a black hole. You got sucked into some Internet bullshit and now it's time to kinda unwind from that.
Okay? Don't be, you know, I've talked to a few people about this type of stuff and it wasn't like, you know, Juan or anything like that. It wasn't people I think that are actually participating in this stuff. It was the people that I kind of feel are in your situation where, you know, they were browsing on Facebook, trolling around, they get added, and, you know, it just becomes a shit show. Gets a little bit carried away from there.
And, you know, a few of them, well, actually, most of them have told me like, yeah, this is kinda what happened. And, you know, I actually saw that, hey, they're not actually participants in this type of stuff. And with those people, it's kind of easy to kinda like brush them to the side and go after those other bad people. But there's also been a few where it's like, you know, oh, I have no idea. I don't know.
I don't know. And then it turns out they're just as, you know, they're just as severe as the, you know, Juan and the rest of them. Don't be those guys because that that was the least I was expecting from you, man. I was expecting you to be more of a guy who's just like, yeah, this has kind of been these assholes have been kinda adding me to some bullshit, trying to get me into some bullshit. You know, obviously, these pictures, I don't think are yours.
I don't know. But I'm thinking that's what it is. Because look, if it was one group, Dennis, then I'd be like, okay, this could be just a fluke. But it's it's it's more than 1. It's like 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Like, it's a lot, man. I didn't even print out every group you're in. I just printed out a few. And that's not an accident. That's obviously something you notice because I know you notice because we can track signal activity.
We can see what's clicked on. Does that mean it's the end all be all? No. Because if I if I thought that I wouldn't be here talking to you. I I think there has to be an actual explanation behind it.
Maybe just curiosity or just boredom. Because that's a lot different than actually just, you know, having a basement full of people, basement full of kids chained up and stuff. I don't fucking, obviously, I know you don't have that. But some of these people probably do, and that's kinda what I'm trying to find out, man. That's kinda what I'm going after.
So, Dennis, I'm asking you to help me on this, man, because you're too good of a guy to Well, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what I need to do to help help you?
Speaker 1: Okay. Well Like I
Speaker 2: said, if if I followed the link, it had to be from Facebook. Okay.
Speaker 1: So it had to be from Facebook. Okay. So, I I'm just gonna say if you're sincere about helping me, just be transparent with me. I'm transparent with you, Dennis. Okay?
How how we'll just call it a tornado, because that's what these groups are. They're big tornadoes of just, you know, start off small then it just swirls and then it's a whirlwind of bullshit. When did these types of tornadoes on signal start? Like in your experience. So when did you first start?
Like, I'm not saying, you know, you were ever curious about this stuff or ever like this stuff. But at some point, you started getting added to it. That's objective fact. And I'm not gonna argue with you on that. But I'm only asking your experience because if it's reaching, you know, the average hard working guy in Tennessee, it's probably fucking expanded a lot, you know.
So in your experience, when did people start posting links to these group these types of groups on Facebook? Like, when did when's the ballpark of when that started? I'm not saying you need to remember January 17th this year or anything like that. I'm just saying like a ballpark number. I'm not you're not gonna tell me the exact right answer, which is fine.
But just a general time frame is fine.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe 6 months ago, something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: It ain't you know, I don't that's not something I do every day.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. So this isn't something that's been a lifelong Oh, no. Okay. Okay.
It's just been kinda a new phenomenon here. That's fair. Okay. Well, that's good. I mean, if you've only been in this stuff for 6 months, then we can easily just get you out of it.
That's a, that's an easy thing to do. Okay. So, so basically, in short, signals turned into kind of other extracurricular bullshit the past 6 months. Is that kind of a fair thing to say?
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't build a signal. So
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I I guess my question is, when did you start seeing these Facebook links? Or these links on Facebook posts that led to groups like this?
Speaker 2: Like I said, the only time I've done that is like in the last 6 months.
Speaker 1: Okay. So them posting, so them posting links to kinda inappropriate stuff is a new thing for them that you've seen?
Speaker 2: Well, no. I'm sure it's been there before. Just I never have clicked on it or Okay.
Speaker 1: But so only the past 6 months because
Speaker 2: of this, I, you know, I figured, hey, you look at that stuff and you're gonna get
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 2: Something's gonna happen. Sure.
Speaker 1: But, you know, out of all the things that could happen, kind of identifying the real bad guys is the best possible thing. You're a grandfather and shit, man. Okay. So you've been avoiding it for a while, but then the past 6 months, you've just kinda been this just kind of just kinda changed a little bit?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess.
Speaker 1: Alright. That's fair. Okay. So do you know about oh, man. Do you know, like, what languages these groups are typically in?
Because, I mean, I see one here in Spanish, but, obviously, I didn't look through fucking however many groups we're in. Do you see, like, any recurring languages in these groups?
Speaker 2: No. No? I mean, I don't know anything but English. So
Speaker 1: Okay. No. No. That's fine. I'm not saying you speak to them.
But but do you see, like is it do you see a lot of English or is it like other languages you see in these groups?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's other languages in all of them.
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you god. That's a good question here. Are they using I mean, I see I know Spanish use a, b, c, d, e, f, g, blah blah blah. But in these other groups, are they using, like, the English letters too?
Or is it, like, complete other languages like symbols and all that stuff?
Speaker 2: I've seen some samples. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Or what? Some kind of foreign language, but I don't know what it is. It's not let it regular letters.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's some shit we could not possibly even read? Okay. I see. What would you say the most prevalent language is?
Like, is it some shit you can't even read or is it like Spanish or English or?
Speaker 2: Probably most of the groups I'd say was Spanish.
Speaker 1: Okay. I appreciate you telling me that because we obviously wanna narrow it down. I'm not saying you're gonna I'm not saying you're gonna be the reason, you know, we we find little chained up in Cancun. But you I mean, right there with what you just told me. You just eliminated fucking Ukraine, Russia.
You know what I mean? Like, now now you just took off like a 1000000000 people this could be. Noticed. I I mean, I appreciate you for that. Truly.
I mean, your this is saving kids right here. Is there anybody in these groups that you noticed that would post more than others? Like, any usernames that stick out to you, especially?
Speaker 2: Never paid any attention to any names or
Speaker 1: Okay. That's fair. But you think, Spanish is the most spoken one or the most common language that pops up in these groups? That's fair. Okay.
Are the thesis of these groups, like, are they mostly posting boys, girls? Are they mostly posting like boys, girls, or both? Or
Speaker 2: what I looked at was mostly women. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mostly women? Okay. I see. Well, I know you're a connoisseur of woman, as am I. That's that's that's our thing.
Right? But, you know, I'm not I'm not here because we're talking about woman and man. I'm not we're not talking about Victoria's Secret models or, you know, Calvin Klein or whatever those fucking faggots. Well, you know, whatever. You know, I'm not here to talk about that.
Okay? So you're telling me you look at woman, that's that's gives me a peace of mind. That's great. Good. But I'm talking about what these people are posting.
I'm not talking about what you looked at. I'm talking about what they've posted. So have you seen them post mainly, like, boys or girls, like, in these groups? Or has it been kind of kind of both? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's been both.
Speaker 1: Really? Okay. Have you seen have you seen, like, any of them specifically talk about what they've done to any of these people? And to, like no. They haven't okay.
As far as you know, they haven't, like, talked about this is me with him. Okay. That's fine. A lot of them wouldn't just blatantly raise their hand and say that. That's fine.
So if it makes sense. Okay. What are kind of, what are kind of the age ranges that these assholes have posted in kind of in these groups?
Speaker 2: Teens and twenties, I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay. What what's teens?
Speaker 2: You know, 18 and up.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, Dennis, I know it's hard to talk about, but a group with someone named Solo CP in there, Danger Girls Videos, Little Things, and Little Angels of for love. They're not posting stuff that's 18 and plus. I'm operating under the not it's not even an assumption. It's just the straight up truth that they're posting a lot of stuff that's probably makes me and you uncomfortable in there.
Do they post woman in there? Yeah. Sure they do. I'm not saying that. 500 people are just posting, you know.
It's like a pizza buffet, you know, you can choose what you like. But, I'm not asking about them posting 18 and plus. That'd be a waste of both of our time to just lie about that. I'm just asking, like, what's what are kind of age range that these other have posted? I'm not saying that you even looked at or anything or even were curious about.
I'm just saying, you know, if if that house burns down and then we think there's an arsonist, I'm gonna ask you who who who who burned that house down. I'm not gonna accuse you burning the house down. I'm gonna ask like, hey, what's going on in that house? So that's kind of what I'm asking with what these people are posting. You you can't control what somebody's posting.
You're not the admin. You don't have any powers to stop what they're posting. So I'm not blaming you for what they're posting. But, you know, being that we were in the group, I'm kinda just asking what they were posting. So, like, what age ranges have these assholes of just thrown out there?
Speaker 4: I can
Speaker 2: tell you the age ranges. If I saw something young, I didn't look. I got off quick.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Okay. So have there been times where somebody's posed at something young and it kinda made you uncomfortable and you Oh, very uncomfortable. Okay.
Okay. How how often in these groups have these assholes just post post the youngsters, like, a common thing? Or
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so. But
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: But there's been a few bad apples who have just kind of like I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are. There are everywhere. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But, you know, I'm talking about like in the little angels. Like, have there been groups that you've been in where someone's post something young and it made you uncomfortable and you clicked off of it?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, I hate to ask you to relive because I know it's not comfortable for you as a granddad, but, you know, again, this could easily be your grandkids and it could easily be my kids in the future. Right? So, when they post the young shit, was it like pictures, videos, or both? Or
Speaker 2: I've seen both. Lots.
Speaker 1: Goddamn. But,
Speaker 2: that's not something that I
Speaker 1: Indulge in. Right. Yeah. That's fair. That's total.
That's kinda what I figured. So when they when they post, like, pics and video, are these, like, a boys or girls or kind of both? Or
Speaker 2: mainly girls were sort of it's the only thing I noticed.
Speaker 1: Okay. What kind of goes on in the videos? I mean, I think I don't know. Okay. Okay.
That's what about, like, the pictures? Like, what's kinda showing?
Speaker 2: They're usually scantily clad or showing something.
Speaker 1: Just naked?
Speaker 2: I'm sure some of them
Speaker 1: them are. Okay. So they just are these nudes like back, full frontal, or both or? Both. Both?
Okay. So this is kind of important because this actually helps lead us to the people doing this stuff. So when there's a nude of, you know, some under 80 girl in the group, does it look like does it look like she's kinda taken a selfie herself like this, Or does it kinda look like it's somebody's behind the camera taking a photo?
Speaker 2: I can tell you that. I'm not that experienced with whatever is going on.
Speaker 1: Well, sure. But you just kinda take one that kinda can ring a bell. Was the girl holding anything in her hand? Like, I mean, like, did it look like she was, like, kinda doing that? Like like, could you could you see basically everything from the chest down to the vagina down to her legs?
Speaker 2: Well, most of them were close, so could be selfies.
Speaker 1: Okay. So what could you see on the close-up ones?
Speaker 2: Just whatever they're taking a picture of.
Speaker 1: Okay. I hate to ask you this, but it's kind of important. Because somebody could even be directing them to take that picture. What were they taking pictures of?
Speaker 2: Mainly just like from the waist up.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you could see their little boobies and stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. What was the common race of these girls? Well, I don't know. Okay. Were they brown, white?
Or
Speaker 2: Both. Both? Okay.
Speaker 1: What was kind of the and again, you're not an expert on age. I I understand. You know, they don't have their age on their forehead. But, like, I'm just gonna let you know or I'm gonna remind you, remembering something isn't culpability. If I see somebody, you know, murder if I, if I saw somebody, God forbid, shoot your dog, I'm going to try to remember everything about that guy.
Okay? So, that doesn't mean that I shot the dog. It just means that I'm trying to help out here. So, what would kind of be the age ranges you've seen of these ass these fucking true assholes just posting these note nude photos of girls? Like, what would be the kind of the oldest to the youngest?
Speaker 2: Oh, I couldn't have. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: What's your best guess?
Speaker 2: Oh, the teens, I guess.
Speaker 1: Well, like, 13, 14? Yeah. Okay. God, man. So these people,
Speaker 2: I've really got to get to work.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Is there more I can can you leave me your number or
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I mean, of course, it's all voluntary to be here. I mean, I need some fucking fried pickles myself. But, you know, Dennis, there's obviously there's there's obviously, like, there's more to it than that, man. And, you know, there's a I I kinda wanna ask about some links too, man.
And you said you worked at ABB. Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I kinda did a little research on you. I did I did give them a heads up that you might be a little bit today and that you'll work over I mean, I hope you'd work overtime, make it up. I I gave them a heads up. So, I mean, they said it's all good.
I just told him, like, I just told him, like, my name is Gordon. I'm a relative of his. There's kind of an emergency in the family that, you know, Granson will be able to show up to work and that you'll kinda make it up a day that you're off. I mean, I I already told him that. So, I mean, I wouldn't worry about that if I were you.
And I didn't tell him you'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I am worried.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I told him, like, he'll be back tomorrow. I can't
Speaker 2: afford to miss work. So
Speaker 1: I know. I know. But I already talked, and they said they'll give you an extra day and shit. Well, I
Speaker 2: can't help that. I got still got to go to work.
Speaker 1: No. I understand. Mhmm. You can do what you want, but, you know, again, Dennis, like, obviously, this is a lot more important because, you know, if some of this stuff doesn't get addressed, there there is a possibility there is no work and there's a possibility that, you know, this all goes to shit because I really really really I mean, I'm taking the time with you to actually, you know, for basically us to prove that, hey, this is not something that you were a part of. This is not something that you liked, but, you know, if I didn't come here, people could have gotten the wrong idea about that.
So I came here to actually dispel that. And you're actually doing a good job of separating yourself from these people. I didn't tell your work about what was going on. I didn't tell them anything like that nor do I have that intention of. But, you know, I did as many solids as I can for you.
And, yeah, I understand it's, you know, work isn't work is for sure important but, you know, you'll make it up. And, yeah, dude. I I I can't I can't tell you much more than the fact that I I called in advance. I already considered that possibility. I don't know exactly what shift you worked, but I just told him like, hey, there's some shit in the family.
So, I mean, look, I know you got a wife you should prepare to, I know you got a wife to provide for. I know you got kids to provide for and shit. So trust me, dude. I'm not I'm not letting Internet bullshit be the end all be all, dude. That's not how I operate.
Okay? But I I I do want to ask, you know, because Pardon me. You're good, man. I do wanna ask and I and I know this shit is so hard to talk about, Dennis. And, you know, when it's hard for you to explain this shit.
It actually gives me a peace of mind because it shows me that you don't like this shit and that you're not a sociopath and all that crap. But, you know, we we did see some videos clicked on. Okay? And there's just we know with these Spanish groups, that's the race we hear the most. Okay?
Especially for hardworking men like you. There's some shit clicked on, and we think there's some stuff posted, that was kinda younger than that. By me? No. No.
No. Hell no. But posted by these idiots in there. Okay. And, you know, the the typical, you know, in fact you didn't tell me that is like I mean, it shows me that it's it's it's actually a touchy subject for you because probably because you have grandkids.
But, you know, I know these Hispanic guys have no limits with what they post, so I'm just gonna ask you to be straight up. Have they posted stuff called mega links in these groups?
Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, have they posted just links where more of these videos or big pictures pop up on?
Speaker 2: I'm sure they have it. Okay.
Speaker 1: Can you kind of, describe the format of what was on those links on some of them? We make format. Like, basically, a link is clicked on, what kind of pops up in these groups. Like, not not a link to the group, but in the in this signal group, they post a link, and then it's clicked on. What what does that link kinda look like?
Speaker 2: It just goes to whatever the the picture or whatever.
Speaker 1: Okay. How many pictures are all these links usually? Like, some of them have multiple? Or
Speaker 2: No. Most of them just one. Most of them just okay.
Speaker 1: So it's a link to a picture? Yeah. Okay. I'm a I'm a just ask it one more time, Dennis. I'm thinking you probably got a little bit carried away with some of this stuff, which you're a guy on the Internet with a penis, which fucking if you haven't been carried away on the Internet, you're gay.
So I think you probably looked at some photos of teens, which is fucking whatever. They're not like kids' kids. But what's been posted in there is different than what you looked at. I don't think those are synonymous with each other. Okay?
But we've all been in Chinese buffets. Right? We've all ignored the pizza on it. We've all we've all ignored the pizza in the Chinese, but we all don't like that shit. We all, you know, go for the chicken or whatever.
You go for the pizza, you're probably a menace to society. So I'm I'm gonna ask, like, we know in in the little angels for love group, they were posting videos of infants and toddlers in there. Okay? We know that. That's something we know for sure because we've kinda dug into that group.
What I'm gonna ask Dennis?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna ask okay. How's it going, ma'am?
Speaker 3: It's going okay.
Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 1: How's it going? We're just having a conversation here. He's just, people have just been doing some crazy stuff online, with him. He's good himself, but it's just kind of important to get through.
Speaker 3: But if you wanna go to work, I mean, are you
Speaker 2: I told him I got to work.
Speaker 3: Are you detaining him?
Speaker 1: Nope. I never said I was. But, you know, ma'am, I did also call his job ahead of time and say it could be a lengthy conversation, and they've already said they can he can make up a day and stuff like that. So I've already taken care of all that. I know I, of course, know he's providing for you.
Speaker 3: I I work at home. So I but
Speaker 1: thank you. Well, yeah. Well, I I know y'all rely on him. Stuff. Rely on him.
Sure. Sure.
Speaker 3: But
Speaker 1: But, but it's it's it's pretty important stuff, ma'am. And it it's Are
Speaker 3: you with the police? Nope.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's pretty important stuff that,
Speaker 3: It might be some stuff that could be used against him. I'm not so sure. Well, I It's a great conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm here to make sure that stuff doesn't get used against him because people have been adding adding him to some stuff that has not been the most flattering. But he's actually doing a good job of, like, kinda pointing out the real bad guys who are doing this shit. That's what I care about. I don't care about Dennis who works hard and gets on his phone once in a while. Who are
Speaker 3: you with
Speaker 1: if you're not It's called Kid Protectors USA. My name is Gordon.
Speaker 3: Nancy Killen?
Speaker 1: Yep. So, yeah, that's kind of,
Speaker 3: But y'all probably work with the police department, I'm sure, trying to
Speaker 1: Here? No. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nope.
Speaker 3: I was just wondering. I assume you're trying to help these girls or keep this stuff off the Internet.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. I care more about the people actually out there out there doing this stuff more than the, you know, I mean, everybody kind of looks at stuff online. That's not what I really care about.
So that's why I'm here talking to him because obviously, you know, there's many different ways this could go besides the conversation at the house about it. And, you know, I didn't know you overheard any of it. I guess you did. And I did. Sure.
Speaker 3: It's okay. I mean, I just I just know from experience, you know, if you say the wrong thing, it it can really get twisted around.
Speaker 1: Right. And, you know, so what would become as the wrong thing is just him being in these groups in the first place. And what is getting untwisted is him actually saying like, so so I didn't know before coming here that he didn't make any of these groups himself. I didn't think he did, but I also didn't know. So it turns out he was just on Facebook and people were just posting stupid links and he just clicked on links and that's what kind of got into this little ruckus here.
Okay? So that actually gives me a peace of mind and it gives, you know, it it gives it gives everybody peace of mind. He, you know, he's he's a granddad as as your grandma. Right?
Speaker 3: Him.
Speaker 1: And, you know, when he's actually identifying what these people are posting in the group and what's going on, that actually helps save kids. Is he going to go to Mexico and go find someone chained up? No. Of course, he's not. But can he be that first step to actually doing that?
Of course, he can. He's actually doing a really good thing right now and, yeah. There's been some fucked up shit post in the group. I'm not gonna lie about that. But as far as we see, he hasn't been doing any of that himself.
It's just been, you know, wrong place, wrong time.
Speaker 3: Right. But if you say you went on there, even if it was by mistake, it can get it can get nasty.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not how I look at things. But, yeah, it could get nasty. Absolutely. But that's not how I look at things. Be careful.
Yeah. Of course. Of course. But, you know, if if you don't mind, we're getting some good info because he was saying, like, you know, these assholes are posting links and, know, I'm good with computers. So links is something that I can easily go to and just kinda see, like, you know, where this come from.
So me personally, no. I don't work with any PD here, but there's organizations like, you know, charities and stuff like that that this can get passed on. They do the they do the international stuff. I'm not, you know, if I if I wanted knocked on everybody who looked at porn home line, I wouldn't leave this neighborhood. You know what I mean?
So it's just it it just happened to be, like, out of all the Spanish people that, you know, we just had, like, 2 Tennessee numbers and that's all. And the other guy from Tennessee we talked to, it was very cordial conversation. You know, he was basically like, hey, this is kind of what they were posting. Yeah. I shouldn't have been here.
It's all good. And I'm like, yeah dude. Just kind of, you know, be careful. Just give him, like, a little love slap, you know. And then, not saying I actually slap him, but, you know, just give him, like, come on, dude.
And then move on. So that's kind of my plan here.
Speaker 3: My, my my angle is that I was pre law. Mhmm. Ditched it for a job that I didn't have to pay so much for school for. But, I mean and I don't plan pretend to know a lot of stuff. I just
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, you just gotta be careful. I mean, would it be better if he had a lawyer while he talked to you to help you figure some stuff out?
Speaker 1: Or Well, no. Because in that case, I mean, I take I take someone getting a lawyer as, like, oh, well, that's kinda shows me that there's more to it than just them getting added to groups. And that's kind of where I'm like, alright. Well, I don't I also don't have to be here myself.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, in in my case, that they took something that they just twisted it all around and it wasn't
Speaker 1: true
Speaker 3: at all. And my attorney was like, you shouldn't have talked to him.
Speaker 2: I was like, well,
Speaker 3: it was the truth. And he's like, well, you know, they can change it.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, obviously, I don't have any ability to change anything. But, you know, when it comes to child safety, I'm sure you guys as grand parents take that very seriously. Absolutely. And, you know, if there's if there's anything he can do, which he's doing a great job of to actually help make kids safer, which he's been doing, that's an opportunity that you can't turn down especially especially when, you know, like you said, it could be it could be twisted.
It could be absolutely twisted him being in the groups and, you know, I didn't come here to do that. I didn't come here being judgmental like, oh, why are you here and why is this and that. He actually clarified a lot of things where I'm like, oh, okay. That's a lot better than I thought it would be. So, yeah, that I mean, I'm sorry about your case, I mean, I don't really know about it but I'm, I'm sure that it was b s, but I'm sure it also wasn't some digital online bullshit either.
Speaker 3: No. It wasn't anything online, but
Speaker 1: So but
Speaker 3: my my kids would be surprised because I can't hardly turn one on. But
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Right. We're not supposed to do anything a lot.
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure.
Speaker 3: They'd be like, you can't even turn a computer on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean if you want to, be here while we talk that's fine. Or if you want to go back inside it doesn't matter. I mean it's your domain.
You're the queen here. So, but, yeah. I mean, there there is important stuff because, you know, I I do care about it.
Speaker 2: But I really need to get to work. I'm sorry, but I really need to get to work.
Speaker 4: Okay. One second.
Speaker 3: Okay. Ready?
Speaker 4: Let's see. Okay.
Speaker 1: What time does your shift end today?
Speaker 2: 10:45. Okay. 11:15.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, if if you don't mind, could we just have like 15 more minutes to just, you know, kind of go over some last things then. You know, obviously, you can do whatever you want right now, but you know, I'll be cool if we just have like 15 more minutes and you know, I'm willing to kind of go after it because we're we're getting some good info on these on these on these people. If you don't mind, can we just have like 15 more minutes and then we'll
Speaker 2: Well, say what you gotta say so I can go to work.
Speaker 1: We can go to work right now, but you know I think for my peace of mind it would probably be important to, you know, kind of go over these last few things. What was your name? You said Nancy. Nancy. Nancy Kelyn?
Killing. Killing. Mhmm. Killing it, Nancy. Do you wanna stay out here for it or do you wanna go in?
Or because it it could get a little bit, graphic.
Speaker 3: You alright?
Speaker 2: Oh, you can stay.
Speaker 3: Okay. I'll stay. I think I can handle it.
Speaker 1: Okay. And if it's getting too much, you know, obviously, don't don't feel like you need to listen to this stuff because, you know, you know, you can hold your own though, he seems.
Speaker 2: Move or quit.
Speaker 1: Okay. So so, Dennis, on that group that I was talking about, the little angels for love, we know they were posting stuff like babies and toddlers in there and that type of stuff. You know, as far as I know, that's not stuff that, you know, you can leave like a little like like emoji on that shit. You know what I mean? Like, you can leave like a like like, you know, when you're texting somebody, you can leave, like, like their message or something like that.
We didn't see you leave any likes on that stuff. So, I'm not too worried about it, but I'm kinda I'm kinda curious how how often it was being posted. Like, I know in that little angels. Wouldn't
Speaker 2: have a clue.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I know in that Little Angels For Love group, it was semi often or whatever. But in these other groups, like, how often do really bad apples come in there and just start posting that super young stuff?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a clue.
Speaker 1: Okay. What's your what's your best guess? Because, you know, we know we can see when stuff is kinda clicked on.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you know, Dennis, I mean, we're we're making such good progress here, but, you know, when stuff like this is getting posted, best teen linked teen nude videos, 5 to 17 year olds. That wasn't you that posted it. Obviously, I don't see you liking liking this. But, you know, we think there's a good possibility they're posting just very young very young things, like, in in these groups.
And again, I mean, you know, you told me you looked up some shit of teens. What what what fucking ever. But I'm more curious about the people that have are helpless. You know what I mean? Like, the babies that can't do anything.
Like, are your grandkids, like, young?
Speaker 3: Sadly, I started a bit young. So my oldest is gonna be 16 next month.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, there we go.
Speaker 3: We do have a Parkland and my step granddaughter is, 2. 2. Just turned 2.
Speaker 1: Right. So I hate I hate to bring her into this, but this this could this could be her in one of these videos that we're in. Obviously, I'm not I know she's not in the videos, but this this could be her that, it could be someone just like her in these videos. Yeah. So so that that's why I'm asking, like, you know, I know the ages didn't go down to just 13.
I mean, that's just that's not because you like that stuff. It's because of these Mexicans, they don't know what to stop posting. So I'm just asking, like, how often these other groups, have they posted just really young shit that just made your skin crawl or shit like that?
Speaker 2: I didn't have a clue.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, was there a reason that it would be maybe clicked on at all?
Speaker 2: Not that I know of. No.
Speaker 1: Okay. Because we did see some link clicks that in all those links, there were stuff that were just super, super young. Okay? And, you know, there could have been other shit on there too. I don't know.
But, you know, we know, unfortunately, if your eyes have been laid on some shit that's been super young, we haven't seen the videos ourselves. It just gets dinged as like, you know, there is like an AI program. Do you know what AI is?
Speaker 2: Artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it is kind of like a super computer. And it just kind of scans. Like, it just gives it its best guess of an age. Like, it would look at me and think, you know, 35 and you know, I'm 34.
Like shit like that. So we've seen videos clicked on. Yesterday.
Speaker 4: Alright. Good.
Speaker 1: We've we've seen videos clicked on that were kind of viewed for a period of time. You didn't, like, leave a like on any of them or anything, but they're kind of viewed for a period of time. And some of the ages that popped up were like looked like 1, 2, 3, some of them were 6 and 7 and stuff. And this was stuff this wasn't this was stuff that was posted by other people but clicked on by your profile and the AI told us those ages. So I'm not really well, I guess the important part about that.
I think an I think an important part about that is the reason those could have been washed because, you know, there are people, dentists, that get off to babies. They they exist. It's probably, I mean, in the groups, I'm sure they exist. I mean, you you've seen these people in the groups. I'm curious why why why those were clicked on your end.
And, honestly, if they can be described and we can kinda figure out the race of some of these kids and maybe what the adult looked like in the videos, that'd be pretty important to kinda figure out, and that can lead us in the actual good direction. Because I'm not I don't care about getting someone, you know, fucked for having eyes and a brain that's curious. I mean, that's human nature, man. But we know those were clicked on and I'm just trying to find the reason. Like, what's the I mean, were you curious about this stuff?
Did you kinda click on it? What what happened with that?
Speaker 2: If I clicked it, it was a mistake.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. How many times do you think you accidentally clicked on some shit and like a super young video popped up? I'm not talking 13. I'm talking about, like, 1 to 5.
Speaker 2: Probably more than twice.
Speaker 1: Really? Okay. But that's not something that I was. Of course. Of course.
But just the fact knowing that these people are posting that fucking babies in this group. I mean, that that tells me that I gotta go after some of these groups. And guess what? When I do that, I'm leaving him out of that shit because that's important. Because if you can be a bowling ball that takes down fucking 10 bowling pins, why would I wanna destroy the bowling ball?
Makes no fucking sense to me. You know what I'm saying, Nancy? So
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just I don't understand who who you're with.
Speaker 1: Kid Protectors USA.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But, like, is that a non profit or
Speaker 1: Is it a non profit? No. It's more of like we're we're an organization. We're an organization. We're just kinda you know what an NGO is?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: It's a non governmental organization. So, you know, we just kinda help out with that. And, you know, we actually have resources too. We have resources for porn addiction. We have resources for just kinda Internet addiction and stuff like that.
And I'm leaning towards that's more of his situation than fucking, you know. I mean, this was a bodies in the basement situation. I wouldn't be the one showing up. You know what I mean? That's an I'm sure you wouldn't be out here kind of vouching for him either, but, you know.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily a body. It might be me, so I may not be out here. I'd be in the basement. Right.
Speaker 2: Right. Put the
Speaker 3: body in the basement.
Speaker 1: Don't even have basements out here, do you? Not really. Okay. Alright.
Speaker 3: Cross space.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You usually do. You usually ever work around kids or anything?
Speaker 3: I mean, I had 3 children, but Yeah. I worked in mental health Okay. For several years. I'm aligned with NAMI right now.
Speaker 1: So that's why you're so kinda comfortable hearing this stuff.
Speaker 3: I guess. You have, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Too much crime TV too probably.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, that that never helps anything. Okay. And, you know, this is this is good info. Like, if he like, I'm not gonna lie to you, Nancy. If he told me that, yeah, I have a video myself of him of me and a little baby, yeah, I'd be like, alright.
Just, I mean, I'd probably break the law myself and just fucking you know what I mean? And I'm not saying I would do that, but who who knows if I heard something like that. Right? But, you know, if she was clicked on and we get good info, like, about kinda what this asshole's posting. Goddamn, man.
I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: Y'all are recording. Right?
Speaker 1: We are under property, of course. Of course. Like that, that's, that's a non negotiable because dude, I'm 6 foot I know he's big, but I'm 6 foot 4 and, dude, all all it takes is and, you know, I know you can hold your own. I know I know you're 18, but, you know, all it takes is one little old lady to say, he threatened me and this and that. I'm like, absolutely the fucking god.
I did not. So that's kinda why I'm at at that's for my ass.
Speaker 3: You could see where I'm standing. If he helps you
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 3: And and thereby is admitting to anything, then it's on tape and video and Well that can't be a good situation.
Speaker 1: Sure. But what I'm talking about, I'm talking about child trafficking and child rape. Him saying that he clicked on a link that was some asshole trafficking a kid, that doesn't mean he child trafficked. That means that he's helping me find that person who did. Yeah.
Bozo was a little bit of a dumbass and went into some groups you shouldn't have been into. I'm not gonna sugarcoat that. I'm not gonna say, oh, no. It's all good. I'm like, no.
But, you know, there's a difference between being a little dorky and then actually doing some bad shit. And if I thought he was doing bad shit, I wouldn't have called his job ahead of time and said, hey. It might be a little bit today.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Police are allowed to log.
Speaker 1: They are?
Speaker 3: So, you know, a dewy police person.
Speaker 1: I'm not a cop.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, though? That's why I'm just, like, you're not.
Speaker 1: I may be a pig, but I'm not a cop.
Speaker 3: What the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Did you wanna be all calls?
Speaker 3: Negative. Negative. I did not.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a neighbor or something.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's why you called.
Speaker 1: Well, how would I have called?
Speaker 2: You just had your phone now.
Speaker 1: Nope. I can show you my phone history right now. Literally, look. Well, it's literally did not call any cops.
Speaker 3: No. I didn't.
Speaker 1: You sure maybe it was your grandkid?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Alright.
Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna sir, how's it going? I'm alright. How are you? Good.
Speaker 3: Somebody in there can't look at these?
Speaker 1: I would not assume so. I didn't Are they
Speaker 3: afraid of me? They think I look menacing since I came over and joined the conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't mess with a country leader from Tennessee. Maybe so.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm actually from Alabama.
Speaker 1: Even even worse. Yes. How's how's it going, sir? Great. Hello.
Hi, Eric. We're just we're just we're just kinda having a conversation here about, you know, he he he clicked on a few groups that had some child porn in them. And, basically, these these asshole idiots and these he was, I mean, he was giving me great info on these people who are posting me. They're posting just these news, like 13 year old and now that nasty shit in there. Right?
Speaker 2: Well, they were young. I don't know. 13.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But, I mean, you know, he I mean, he told me that they they were in these groups. I mean, he clicked on 2 videos that were like of a 1 to 5 year old just fucking Yep. Probably. It was some crazy it was some crazy shit.
I mean, I mean, they they were supposed to really fucked up shit in some of these groups, weren't they? I mean, goddamn, man. It's pretty bad, Okay. Well
Speaker 3: So when were you here?
Speaker 2: We got a call that somebody was viewing child pornography.
Speaker 1: Are you curious about this stuff? Okay.
Speaker 2: You can hang on. Can I chat with you for you?
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. Okay. I'll get with you in a second. If you don't mind.
Okay. Like a super young radio popped up. I'm not talking 13 Top Valley. 1 to 5.
Speaker 2: That's not relevant to me
Speaker 1: right now. Okay.
Speaker 3: So you do work with the cops around I
Speaker 1: don't work with the cops.
Speaker 3: I just got I just got a few work with the cops. And I said,
Speaker 1: well, cops are a lot of cops. I
Speaker 4: Goddamn it,
Speaker 1: dude. You would have confessed to everything.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: After a good start.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Guys, get clips ASAP with him, like, saying a 13 year old and shit like that. We need that crap ASAP, especially for this guy. Oh, goddamn it. Okay.
Here.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude. Why is this Oh, until until fucking
Speaker 1: Yeah. He shut down, though. Until she He shut down when she came in. Oh, I know. Pretty well, Nancy.
I know.
Speaker 4: How how could anybody, like how can anybody just hear that and be like, well, I don't want him to admit to any
Speaker 1: nigga, like, he just married you in 2018. Like, did you not, like, wouldn't you wanna know this stuff? Yeah. She was saying how she's a defendant. She got, I work myself.
Yeah. I know. Boss bitches are just so annoying. So insufferable. I was surprisingly calm for just how much bullshit it was for you.
I thought you were gonna go off, am I gonna lie? No. I'm just at a zen level with their bullshit now.
Speaker 4: That's okay. He admitted
Speaker 1: to looking at a 13 year old nude. That's that's enough to take his phone. Bro, that's that's like the hardest fucking thing. Things like with Nerdsky. Oh, I don't know.
Because it's not like I got hacked or this because that's, like, so easy to just get a rebuttal. Yeah. But it's okay. You just gotta list out, like, alternatives. Like, oh, you're probably just on this.
He's like, yeah. Yeah. I was on Facebook. Yeah. For sure you were, motherfucker.
But, no, that's but he did say, like I'm like, how many times have you clicked on somebody else? Like, 1 to 1 through 5. He's like, more than twice. Yeah. So that's oh, gosh.
She wasn't out there, like, could've gotten so much detail out of this guy. I was, like, whittling away at him. I'm not too disappointed of this one because yeah. Obviously, Nancy coming out, but he's still, like he was gonna he was gonna fess up. Just took a little bit.
Speaker 4: He was taking the bait of, like, how we saw it was clicked on. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out why, dude. I'm just trying to figure out why. She knows the damn fucking well. I did get it for Zoom calls.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Did you
Speaker 1: say you never saw a
Speaker 4: child for an arm?
Speaker 1: He said, no. I haven't. Bro, what the
Speaker 4: bro, he's in 15 groups, officer. Like, why doesn't he fucking Yeah. Officer, of course, you're not gonna admit it as
Speaker 1: if you're in child pornography. You gotta get everything sent to you? Guys, I need the guys, send me clips where he's like where he
Speaker 4: talks about the 13 year old, please. Like, we need that shit ASAP. Send it to my phone number, 832-723-6937. 832-733-6937.
Speaker 1: Someone already sent the clip of him saying he's clicked on videos. 25. It's coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't being disrespectful. I've gotta take control.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. No. 100%. You're not law enforcement.
100%. 100%. And I have to
Speaker 2: I have to for his for my sake and investigate his sake, I gotta be on his side.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, 100%. 100%. Okay. Okay.
So we have Yep.
Speaker 2: ID on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's in the core mega I get it. Okay. So did you get a smile on that one?
Speaker 4: Not yet. Okay.
Speaker 1: I still want him to go deleting shit.
Speaker 2: Let's tell me what you're doing here.
Speaker 1: Well, so we we have a group where we catch online child predators and we typically post monitors online, predators message a kid, blah blah blah to meet up. But what we've been doing recently is we've been we've been kind of finding groups online where we think people are posting child porn. We have all the settings off in the group so we don't see any of the images. So for example, we found this guy listed in a group. It just kinda looks like well, not Justin Trudeau, but it kinda looks like Horse is it kinda looks like this.
So you see this phone number, and we run his phone number, we see it comes out to him. And I confirm that is his phone I guess you got his phone number too, but I confirm that's his phone number too, when I first talked to him. And so we go into groups, all the images look like this. So obviously, we can't, like, see what it is. We can just think.
And, so he was in, like, 15 groups that we saw that were all, like, called little kids, little angels, CP this, CP that. So, we have arrests across the country of confronting people over that stuff. So I talked to him. He at first was like, I have no idea. I don't know.
I don't know. And I basically told him, like, well dude, we can see what links are clicked on. This and that. Like, obviously, I'm a tech notary. I'm not gonna get any of that shit, but, you know, I was convincing enough, I guess.
And he admitted to viewing pictures that he said were like 13 or 14, like full frontal nudes in the group. And obviously, from what more honest people have told us, it never stops at that. And, you know, his his wife like, we were talking for like an hour and a half and that's what he admitted to. And he said that he's found the links on Facebook and his wife came out and started kinda, like, helping him shut down. But before that, I was like, dude, I know there was stuff clicked on of Super Young stuff, like stuff like between 1 through 5.
I'm just trying to find the reason it was clicked on, dude. And he's like, okay, well, I've clicked on that stuff. His words verbatim more than twice of a video of a 1 to 5 year old. Unfortunately, it got shut down before we could get into details about what the video was. But, I mean, you know, it's not a video of them crawling.
Right. Right. Okay. Alright. And where did y'all come from?
Houston, Texas. We're no. We're in Ohio yesterday. So we just take trips across the country.
Speaker 2: How do you fund this?
Speaker 1: Well, people support us to see the work we put in. So
Speaker 2: Why don't you, why don't you incorporate law enforcement?
Speaker 1: Stuff? Well, Tennessee, specifically, you know, they don't want anything to do with, like, groups like this. Not just us, but, I mean, we have one arrest in Tennessee, on child porn. And we had another guy in Knoxville that admitted in front of the cops and the cops just literally just let him walk that day, like, without even taking his phone. So, kind of, Tennessee's been, pretty discouraging for us, but other states have been great.
So, but I think this guy here is pretty it's pretty damning, like everything he's a part of. Alright. Let
Speaker 2: me holler at him.
Speaker 1: Okay. Can you get your, your Yeah. And and we have clips for you to play too of him saying this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's on his phone for, like I know. I know, dude.
Speaker 4: He's fucking deleting everything off.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Alright. Give me the mice.
Speaker 4: Here we go. Alright.
Speaker 1: We have a slip from off to the deep wash. Yeah. I think do you wash that already? I think just Or do you just tell me? You got Both?
I don't think I played the whole thing for you. Okay. So have there been
Speaker 2: I'm not playing the vigilante bullshit. Turn the cameras off, but I would like to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, sir. I'm gonna start actually a trip to that. I couldn't agree anymore.
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Video Transcript AI Summary
In this video, Gordon confronts Kevin about his inappropriate conversations with a 13-year-old girl online. They discuss the explicit messages and photos exchanged, as well as Kevin's involvement in online forums discussing underage individuals. Kevin admits to engaging in these conversations and receiving explicit photos from others. He mentions using apps like Reddit and Kik for these interactions. Gordon emphasizes the seriousness of the situation and the potential legal consequences. Kevin agrees to stop his behavior and deletes the apps from his phone. Additionally, the video features another speaker discussing their experience with explicit content involving infants and toddlers on platforms like Reddit, Kik, Telegram, and Wicker. They admit to receiving and sending explicit photos and videos primarily on their phone, but deny personal involvement with children. They mention using the Mega app briefly and express a preference for classic rock music. Towards the end of the video, law enforcement officers arrive at Kevin's residence and confiscate his electronic devices, potentially leading to his arrest for involvement with child pornography.
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Speaker 0: Let him
Speaker 1: know how to live and try to get his name.
Speaker 0: How's it going? So so do you happen to know who, do you know the name of the guy who lives at number 12? Bro, are you? Yeah. Oh, so nice to meet you, though.
Nice to meet you too. You're the one. I don't fuck with what you do so much. Well, appreciate it. I watch your shit all the time.
Yeah. But well, number 12 is, you know? He's 2? Does that ring a bell? I don't
Speaker 2: really know.
Speaker 0: How about having talked
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 0: God. Makes sense. Yeah. I just seem fast. Just don't turn.
Like, just don't like What what do you mean
Speaker 2: you said?
Speaker 0: Just be, like, hey, it's your neighbor.
Speaker 1: It's your neighbor. Like, just just be, like, it's your neighbor. Like, somebody delivered a package to your door or something. Like, say, I
Speaker 0: I gotta, like I don't know if someone do it. Just be like it's your neighbor.
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 0: Hey. It's your neighbor.
Speaker 2: I think
Speaker 3: I got a package for you. Hey. Look, man. We just wanna have a conversation with you. Okay?
This doesn't need to escalate into some extra bullshit. Alright? We don't wanna come here to your apartment. We wanna just talk to you in public somewhere, but, you know, we didn't come to your job. We came here to talk to you.
This is not good this is not going to go away by hiding. We know every single thing about you. We're not we're we are not going to hurt you or do anything like that. We're just here to talk to you. Dude, avoiding this is not gonna make it go away.
All we wanna do is just talk to you, man. But after tonight, we're done. We can always do some other shit too. We we didn't have to come here and talk to you. I got a whole night, man.
But after tonight, I'm done. I'm gonna figure out something else. Your neighbor next to you already knows what's going on. We didn't we we didn't go tell him the whole building. Is this is this how you want it to go down?
This is how it's gonna end up. I could always just go to your job, which I did not do. Just open the door. We we will have a quiet conversation about this. I promise you.
Come on. Just cut, dude. Just come to the door, man. We're not we're not gonna hurt you. Just come on.
Speaker 0: Do you
Speaker 3: have any weapons on you? Any weapons on you? Have
Speaker 4: a weapon.
Speaker 0: Any weapons on you? Can you turn
Speaker 3: the light on?
Speaker 0: I was
Speaker 2: laying in
Speaker 0: the bed. Okay. Alright. Can we come in and talk so people don't overhear this shit?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 0: Alright. I got I got 3 people with me if you want me
Speaker 2: to come. Yep.
Speaker 0: So what's your name?
Speaker 2: Kevin.
Speaker 0: Kevin. Any
Speaker 3: weapons in the house at all?
Speaker 0: No. Okay. Well, my name is Gordon. I'm sorry to meet you like this, Kevin. Okay.
But we're gonna talk about Ariel. Okay? Okay. If you don't mind. You can you can shut the door.
I don't want anybody to well, I'm just gonna have a seat here.
Speaker 2: Or I guess. Alright.
Speaker 0: And, of course, I'm on your property, so everything's just being filmed for safety reasons. I hear the blast here if anything stupid like that. I could've done that shit already. So I'm not here to do it here. Alright?
Of course, it's and it's voluntary to talk to me. I want you to understand that, but I also want you to understand I don't have to come here and talk to you. You know what I mean? I have every single thing saved. See what I'm saying?
Yeah. Okay. You kinda know what I'd be here to talk to you about?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. I figured it out.
Speaker 0: Okay. I'm glad you're not stupid. I appreciate it. I mean, I like the I like the collection you have. It was just retro stuff.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So how old are you?
Speaker 2: 30.
Speaker 0: 30? Are you so you're actually 30?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. What is your last name?
Speaker 2: So what's this?
Speaker 0: Well, I'm just I know your last name. I'm just guessing how honest we are.
Speaker 2: So who are you?
Speaker 0: Well, my name is Gordon. We're the group we just call Kid Protectors USA. We just make sure that kids don't talk to adults and vice versa. But, you know, obviously, you know, this could go one of many ways. And, you you know, one of the things that I appreciate out of people is everybody every single person does shit or makes mistakes.
You know, I'm fucking not perfect. Nobody you're not. He's not. He's not. He's not.
He's not. Nobody is. But, you know, it's how we address them. And, you know, you're not 50 or 30. Right?
You're not a kid but you're also not some old fart just going around. You know what I mean? Right. So I I do wanna kinda see where we are honesty wise and you know, is always something I'm willing to work with. Okay?
Like, I'm not, you know, you you know, I could I could scold him about anything. Right? I could scold him about anything. I could scold you about anything. But, you know, the thing that I actually do scold people on is they're just not honest.
You know what I mean? And honesty is something I appreciate. So that's why I'm asking, what is your last name? Perkins. Perkins?
Okay. So before we get into anything, what do you think I am talking to you about here?
Speaker 2: About that girl online.
Speaker 0: Alright. How old is that girl online?
Speaker 2: Apparently, 13th, 1. Okay.
Speaker 0: I appreciate your honesty. I think it's gonna go pretty damn smoothly if you keep that up. Okay. What do you think I'm talking to you about with her?
Speaker 2: Speaking inappropriately, I guess.
Speaker 0: Okay. Yeah. Sure. What was some of the stuff said back and forth?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know exact words. Yeah. Yeah. Just a
Speaker 0: I I don't need it. Just a general, like, kind of summary of what happened.
Speaker 2: Make sure everything, general chats Yeah. Little sexual stuff. And Okay.
Speaker 0: Were any pictures sent one way or the other?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. What was sent to her?
Speaker 2: Nude shots, whatever.
Speaker 0: Okay. Of your penis? Okay. Thank you. Appreciate you, man.
Yep. Keep doing what I need. Will do. New shots of your PA's were sent to her?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. Did she send you any news back?
Speaker 2: No. Okay.
Speaker 0: So, I'm talking to you about something that happened today. You were in a Walgreens parking lot.
Speaker 2: CVS?
Speaker 0: Yeah. CVS. Right. What was kinda why were you at a Walgreens? Fuck me.
Why are you at a CVS parking lot today?
Speaker 2: Well, originally, we were supposed to meet up, and I was gonna get off work and go over there. Okay.
Speaker 0: What do
Speaker 2: you do for that? Work? Working factory.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, like, you don't have to say where like, what what kind of stuff do you build?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like tool and die stuff.
Speaker 0: Tool and die stuff? Yeah. So what product does that end up going on to? Brackets for cars and stuff. Okay.
Well, I mean, thank you for that. Not everybody's willing to work in a factory, and I appreciate what you're willing to do for people. So Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've been there since I got to school.
Speaker 0: Really? So you've been 12 years there?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty much. Wow.
Speaker 0: How much do you get paid an hour for me to ask?
Speaker 2: Well, I started up minimum wage in 2011.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 2: And I worked my way up from start out sorting parts, stuff like that. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And then
Speaker 2: around the welder. Just like a spot welder, you push the buttons and it comes down, pushing up on the rackets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And then, I was a press operator and for the majority of it. And now I work up from the tool and that repair.
Speaker 0: Okay. Nice. So what are they paying you?
Speaker 2: Up to 23 20 something now.
Speaker 0: It's not bad.
Speaker 2: I mean, I
Speaker 0: have to afford this and a good collection. So
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It used to be my first story is 7.50, so it's pretty
Speaker 0: Yeah. 3 times pay isn't too bad. What did you, any other apps you talked to, Ariel on besides Instagram? No. Okay.
Do you only talk to her with Telegram or anything?
Speaker 2: No. Okay. I was asked about Telegram. I said I don't have it. Okay.
Speaker 0: How true is that? Well, you have
Speaker 2: to tell her. No. I don't have it. Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. Just generally curious what you know about. Okay. So you're supposed to meet her up today. What was kinda and and I know it was hard to talk about, but again, I'm gonna work through everything here.
What was kinda supposed to happen today without me having to go through every single one of these and, you know, embarrass you, waste our time, and any of that shit?
Speaker 2: Well, nothing specific. If if it had happened, it would've been whatever she had wanted to do. Okay. So nothing No. Obviously.
I was feeling pretty bad about it and decided to backtrack and
Speaker 0: Well, I'm not gonna discuss that with you because you're waiting on her to come outside. So I'm not gonna even entertain that, what you just said there. So but that that's kind of something I was trying to figure out because to me, there's a big difference between forced and consensual.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: So you said leave it if it were to happen, it would have been her decision?
Speaker 2: What
Speaker 0: are we talking about there with that?
Speaker 2: Well, everything was in there.
Speaker 0: I mean Okay. So so for example, intercourse living her decision today?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess so. Okay.
Speaker 0: So so today Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was feeling pretty iffy about it and
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 2: Back and forth, obviously.
Speaker 0: Sure. Well, so today intercourse would have only happened if she was, I guess, the one to bring it up or either willing to do it? Yeah. Okay. Got it.
So so what if she said no to intercourse?
Speaker 2: Nothing happened.
Speaker 0: Okay. You planning on using, like, a condom or a raw?
Speaker 2: Or I don't think I even discussed that. But
Speaker 0: Well, I mean, what was going on in your mind there? Like, do you have a condom ready? Or
Speaker 2: I've I've got one in there. But Okay.
Speaker 0: I mean, was that something that, you know, you were planning on using if she was okay with it? Or were you planning on doing it raw? Like, I mean, no judgment here.
Speaker 2: No. So which one? Well, if I was going to, then I guess, call them. But Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. But I never yeah. Obviously, she never came over here. But okay. So would you find it hot if I took a pick of my dick over a pick of you to make it look like you're about to suck it?
And you sent her here a picture, of okay. Do you ever do a few contributes to her?
Speaker 2: No. I don't think so. Okay. Do those to the picture?
Speaker 0: Well, you you took a few, photos of your account.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But that was not something that was something I already had saved on my phone at one time. Okay.
I just sent it.
Speaker 0: Okay. Wilson, did you any contribute specifically to her?
Speaker 2: I don't think I did. Okay.
Speaker 0: So this right here, what video is this right here?
Speaker 2: Masturbation video, I guess. Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. This is your profile picture, I think. Well, now you always wear gray sweats. So you say here, my your mom definitely wouldn't want you hanging out with me. I wanna feel you close, put my arms around you, and touch your beautiful body wherever you'd let me.
Okay. So like you said, consensual stuff, not anything forced. I'd love to see the reaction on your face when I start rubbing you down there. Would be cute if you made sounds for me. She's hee hee what kind of sounds you want me to make, and hear on your end instead.
If I made you moan whimper, it would be pretty hot, but more so if the moan was real and not faked. So what about, kind of this whole thing was appealing to you? I mean, I'm not judging at all, but
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. You probably talked to several people before, I'm assuming.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But, you know, a lot of them are like the, how do I put it? A lot of them come across a lot worse. Yeah. You know?
Like, a lot of them are just like I mean You guys have
Speaker 2: done that before?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, the r a p e word and all that shit. You know, I didn't really see that from you. Like, that's why I didn't I mean, if they pulled the same stuff that you did today of just kinda driving around, giving us a goose chase, I would've just given up and said, no. Fuck it.
That's it. I don't give a fuck anymore. But since you I guess you are actually 30, and you didn't have any of those really, I guess Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't really make up stuff. But Yeah. Yeah. I really did.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But since you didn't have any of those, like, really forceful messages, I was like, okay. I mean, let's just give this guy a chance to actually talk about it. So Okay. So I guess the better question is, like, how did how did this kind of curiosity start for you?
I'm not talking about with her. I'm talking about, like, this younger stuff.
Speaker 2: I guess sometimes the Internet can be like a downward spiral. And you get on places like Reddit and this and that. A rabbit hole? Okay. And it's just I don't know.
I guess it's just certain things. I feel it's on my entry. It's not like you just start there, I guess.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. I I know you didn't wake up one day and say, I wanna text a 13 year old girl. Like, I I get that. So you said a downward spiral.
So how did Reddit take you through through a downward spiral?
Speaker 2: I guess there's a lot of, like, the what you call them, not safe for work subs. And there's all kinds of people of all kinds of ages and sexuality stuff on there.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. So Reddit isn't only just 18 plus?
Speaker 2: No. I think it's 13 plus.
Speaker 0: Okay. So how did Reddit kind of, so what specifically I guess, what specifically on Reddit?
Speaker 2: There's people that basically probably shouldn't be on there that are on there.
Speaker 0: Oh, like, younger younger girls? Okay. So about what so I assume they had talked to you then?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. How old were these how long ago and how old were they?
Speaker 2: Various teenagers, like, from that age, little older to twenties. You know?
Speaker 0: Okay. So 13 into adulthood even. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2: After all, teenagers. Yeah. That's fair.
Speaker 0: What are some of the things so, say, a 13 year old on Reddit, like, what would be the topic of
Speaker 2: discussion with that? I mean, in the past, probably similar to that. Really? But it varies. It depends if I came across a post and just wanted to have a chat or something.
Speaker 0: Sure. Sure. So
Speaker 2: take down my profile if I posted something or whatever.
Speaker 0: So they would make a post and then people would just kinda message them?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty much that's what I have goes on there.
Speaker 0: What kind of so yeah. I I don't really know Reddit too well. I know other apps. Like, obviously, I'm an Instagram whiz, but I'm not familiar with Reddit too much. So what what what what kind of post would a 13 year old girl make on Reddit?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Lots of advice. So making friends, chat, whatever kind of stuff. Just kind of
Speaker 0: an ad to talk to somebody?
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's literally, like, a sub for very much any topic, I guess. It's
Speaker 0: Got it. Oh, okay. Got it. So, well, it's pretty worldwide. They're pretty, diverse in what you say.
You're talking about, like, football on there. You're talking about sex. You talk about NASCAR. A little
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm a little bit of a techno tard with where we're headed. Then here he said, I'd I'd love for you to drain the come out of my big balls for me. So in what way did you mean that?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other way to mean it, I guess.
Speaker 0: Well, there's sucking, fucking, stroking?
Speaker 2: Both, I guess.
Speaker 0: Okay. From having sex. Okay. By pleasure and me, feeling your touch, using your mouth, I'm from having sex. I love showing you off knowing that you were supposed to not to like each other due to the, the taboo of our age difference taught to me.
So that yeah. Just flip that off. So the taboo is But maybe or something. Okay. So you you said here the taboo is kind of hot to you.
Can you kinda because again, like, I think you're someone that's young enough to kinda separate yourself from this type of stuff. Right. Yeah. So what what would that taboo like, what I mean, obviously, I know what taboo is, but but how is that hot to you? You know, I'm just using your words here for that.
Speaker 2: I suppose just sometimes the risk of whatever makes it appealing or something, you know. And I don't know how to explain what makes someone turned on or
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 2: Like something. Whatever.
Speaker 0: For sure. So how how long ago did that Reddit rabbit will start for you? I guess, couple of years. Okay. Year or 2.
So this, I'm not saying this is overtaking your life, but this kind of, you know, sexual stuff with people a little bit younger than 18 has kinda just been a part of your life off and on for a couple years?
Speaker 2: Estimated. That's what it is.
Speaker 0: Okay. Yeah. I'm not saying, like, you know, July 15, 2019. It's everything you switched. Yeah.
I know. Okay. Any other apps besides Reddit where this stuff has kinda been talked about and can maybe get someone carried away or down a rabbit hole?
Speaker 2: No. I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of them out there.
Speaker 0: Yeah. In your experience. Like, what are some other what are some other ones that people have talked about on Reddit or whatever?
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I don't have Telegram. I knew about Telegram.
Speaker 0: Okay. Telegram. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
What did you see Telegram talk about? In Telegram they said Telegram was, like, a thing for this type of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: Where did you see them talk about Telegram?
Speaker 2: On Reddit.
Speaker 0: On Reddit?
Speaker 2: On my subs and stuff.
Speaker 0: Got it. I do wanna send you a text message here.
Speaker 2: Okay. You wanna do a second? Sure.
Speaker 0: So what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do with this?
Speaker 0: Just kinda wanna stay in touch with you after tonight. I texted you my name too. Okay. Is this, like, a real number, or is this, like
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's turned off, and my phone's, powered off.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Later than, charging.
Speaker 0: Oh, oh, okay. But your phone's not, like, off. So Kevin, Perkins. Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now I had them. They're charging them the Mazda. Gotcha.
Speaker 0: What's going on?
Speaker 2: This is a feedback.
Speaker 0: Okay. Was that, like, messing with anything? Can you just can you just unplug that?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 0: Alright. So, okay. So Telegram or something like that. Okay. Do they talk about any other apps on Reddit?
Speaker 2: I don't really use any of those other apps. They have they have other apps, yeah.
Speaker 0: Which ones have they talked about? Because, you know, obviously I'm here talking to you, but there are truly bad people out there that do use those other apps religiously. And if you can kinda point me in the direction of the other apps, we can not only I mean, yeah. Sure. We found someone going after a 13 year old repositioning ass.
Whatever. Big deal. But, you know, from there we can actually if with your good information, we can actually find people that are doing this in person, real life, filming this. And I'm not talking about 13 year olds. I mean, life.
Just anybody. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you're implying.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So so what other apps have you seen them talk about on Reddit?
Speaker 2: Well, I know there used to be Wicker, but it's shutting shut down now.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Wicker shut down. Yeah. Any other ones that you brought up?
Speaker 2: There's probably Session maybe.
Speaker 0: Sessions. Okay.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much
Speaker 0: what I don't know. Sessions are kind of a new one there?
Speaker 2: I think so. Okay.
Speaker 0: So what kinda, do do they post similar stuff on Reddit to, like, Telegram, for example?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I've never seen Telegram.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got it. So about how many, younger ladies under 18 over the years do you think have talked to you or whatever messaged you online?
Speaker 2: Well, assuming that they're honest about the relationship, I have no idea who
Speaker 0: is Yeah. I believe her. That's her. Of course.
Speaker 2: I mean, probably dozens, I guess. Dozens? It's just been a while. Okay. Literally just random.
I mean, people
Speaker 0: Just written all over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody that were that was in Kentucky?
Speaker 2: No. I don't think so.
Speaker 0: Alright. How long have you had this phone number for?
Speaker 2: Ever since I got a smartphone, I'm on plan. So it's been I used to be on the dash plan for a long time. Mhmm. And I'm trying to think. It's been probably 10 or 9.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So long time. That's fine. Okay. So, you know, say we talk to dozens of people that are younger than 18 over the years.
How many of them, saw your penis? And how many of them like, how many of them send nudes back and forth to you?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe half and half, but probably.
Speaker 0: Okay. So some of these chicks have actually were brazen enough to just go ahead and send a stranger a nude online?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess so.
Speaker 0: What the fuck? Okay. And you reciprocated those sometimes?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: When's the last time somebody purporting they were under 18th issued a new photo?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's been a while because it's been probably just a month that I was taking back and forth there or something.
Speaker 0: Okay. So, you didn't text anybody else in the course of this month? Mhmm. Okay. Is Reddit like something on your phone, computer?
Or
Speaker 2: Well, it used to be my phone, but I deleted it. Okay. When did
Speaker 0: you get rid of Reddit?
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 0: Today? Yeah. After this kinda happened? Yeah. Okay.
What other apps do you get rid of today?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Instagram. I deleted it for sure. Mhmm. Basically, it's chat.
Facebook and I think Snapchat. Mhmm. Snapchat. That's what it is. Okay.
Speaker 0: So did you ever have a Telegram
Speaker 2: account? No. Okay. Yeah. I downloaded it for and then it asked for a phone number or something so I just didn't use it.
Speaker 0: What did you download it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can pull up my Google Play or something, I guess, if you would. Okay. I just never used it though.
Speaker 0: Okay. I see. Ever have the app Kik?
Speaker 2: I have had that. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do you have Kik still? No. Okay. Any, trying to think, man.
Because we did see you on Telegram a few months ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had it. I I downloaded it like I said. Mhmm. But I never actually got around to using it.
Speaker 0: Okay. Because it asked for a phone number.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't really like that. Okay. Because no other apps seem to do that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like, you can you
Speaker 2: can use email or you can use this or that. Sure. Sure.
Speaker 0: Have you come across any other adults online that kinda talk about younger people under 18? Like, it's just like a, like, forum discussion boards?
Speaker 2: Yeah. But like you said, what you're talking about they're looking for, I grossed me out because I'm not into the cheating stuff. So
Speaker 0: Right. So where'd you where'd you see that being talked about though? Because that's definitely something I'd wanna go on.
Speaker 2: That's that's usually like Reddit subreddits.
Speaker 0: Subreddits. What what would these subreddits be called?
Speaker 2: Like, cupcake, jerkbuds, like, random inappropriate
Speaker 0: stuff. Okay. And what would they kinda talk about?
Speaker 2: They talk about, like, selling new photos and Oh, I'm closing people's pictures. Of
Speaker 0: underage? Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Do they post these photos publicly or these, like, in the DM?
Speaker 2: Oh, they usually post a thing like click here to buy or click here to chat, whatever. And that is taken down usually shortly after.
Speaker 0: Sure. Sure.
Speaker 2: Moderators on there. So Okay. Yeah. They get on there and they're pretty open to it. Wow.
Speaker 0: Have any of them tried to DM you to trade before?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I usually ignore it because I just wanted to talk to some Jacob, not some random
Speaker 0: guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do they ask you to trade?
Speaker 2: Basically what you're talking about. CPA.
Speaker 0: And Okay. Is this something they so this is like a direct you were direct messages to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've been messaging them for it. Okay. I've had accounts since I've been here.
Speaker 0: So do do you, like, so how would they have found you? Do you do you, like, make posts on those forms too? Just saying something?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm there
Speaker 0: and you're looking for, like,
Speaker 2: a section partner or something or, like, somebody to chat with. Mhmm. And then you'll get all kinds of different people.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 2: Some of them just say, hey. Whatever. This is, you know but some of them are just like you said, they're looking for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 0: Okay. So people DM'd you after that asking to trade?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: I know it's kind of a tough question, but, you know, obviously, the only reason I'm asking you this is because there's a fat difference between just being online and, you know, you get wrong place, wrong time. Somebody just, you know, pulls you into some bullshit you didn't even ask to be a part of. So from what I'm gathering, you know, you obviously you know, you're just looking for people to talk to, but, you know, you're in the same just kind of areas people are actually up to no good. So with that, I wanna ask, how many of these people and if any have, I do wanna try to get their names if to the best of your knowledge you can remember. How many of these people tried to like send you, like, news of younger people?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know any names or anything like that because they're usually pretty proud with that stuff on there and they don't go by the real name. They just have some made up account.
Speaker 0: Okay. How many of those people do you think have sent you nudes of younger people? Like, you know, you told me, like, people posing as like or posing more real doesn't you didn't really know. Yeah. But, you know, there's been purported teenagers under 18 that's that sent you nudes.
I'm not asking that. I'm asking, have there been any adults? Or if there have been, how many of it do you think, adults that have had that, you know, have collected nudes of younger ladies under 18 or younger guys under 18 and just spam you with it or send it to you unsolicited, stuff like that because that's definitely shit we wanna go after Mhmm. Most people. So how many of you think have done that?
Or how often does it happen? Or
Speaker 2: Well, it has happened before. Really? Yeah.
Speaker 0: What? I don't
Speaker 2: know like a number or anything.
Speaker 0: Okay. I guess how often does it happen then?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't really know how to
Speaker 0: Okay. Over the course of a month, how many times do you think it goes down? Probably a few times. Really? It just they just said new job.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that but because I like I said, I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 0: No. No. I know. But like, I mean just either they just you know, I'm not saying you ask for it. I'm just saying how many times over the course of like a month do people just send you a nude photo of some underage person?
Speaker 2: Maybe once a month and once a month. That'd be probably more
Speaker 0: So it happens like once once in a blue moon? Yeah. Okay. Do they send do they send you pictures, videos, both? Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. That I've had people send me pictures and videos. What? Yeah. Oh my god.
Speaker 0: What app would you say is the worst on for that type of stuff?
Speaker 2: I still say definitely Reddit.
Speaker 0: Really? The worst. So Reddit still allows people to send that shit?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's, like, just in their messages like that.
Speaker 0: But basically, Reddit doesn't moderate it. I'll ask you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That would I usually ask you if you have or something with it. And I know I'm not downloading it. I'm not not getting on
Speaker 0: Telegram and messaging on Telegram. Yeah. Yeah. Holy cow. So do they send you, like so when they send you that kind of, you know, younger stuff, naked under 18, do they usually send you these pics and videos?
Is it like a link to them or do they just send it in the chat? Like, how does that kinda work? Or is it both? Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess both. And I don't like to click no links on the website.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do you know what the links are called that they send?
Speaker 2: No. Not really. It'd be like it'll be like it's almost like a website or something. Really? And it's like some generic letters and numbers and it doesn't look it looks fishy.
Speaker 0: Okay. Are those websites in English or other languages?
Speaker 2: It'll be like HTTP, you know, backslash, whatever.
Speaker 0: So what is the layout of those websites look like?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't it's it's literally random letters and none of those.
Speaker 0: No. Sure. But say say the link's clicked say the link's clicked on, like, what like, what what is it? What do you kinda see? Because there are a few websites I have in mind, that we're kinda working with here.
And I wonder if that even extends to Reddit too because we're only working on finding who made those websites and the people on those websites. And, you know, you don't come to mind with that. But I think, you know, you're a piece of you'll be a piece of the puzzle. How can we figure it out? And obviously, you know, the more you separate yourself from those types of people Yeah.
Obviously, the more I mean, you've been doing a great job of that, which I really fucking appreciate, dude. Yeah. So, so that's why I wanna ask you. What are the layouts of the that's those sites look like when it's clicked on?
Speaker 2: It'd probably be, like, a thing pulling up. I assume, like, a username or password or something.
Speaker 0: Okay. But, but what does it show image or picture wise or video wise on those sites?
Speaker 2: Like sexual acts GIFs or something, you know?
Speaker 0: Of children?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. What are some of the age ranges that these fucking bozos have tried to link you to?
Speaker 2: Pretty much as low as it goes and that's like I'm telling you, it's
Speaker 0: like infants, toddlers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fuck, dude.
Speaker 0: Peoples are so into that shit?
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 0: What the fuck? So are there like when it comes to infants are there like videos, pictures, both? I don't
Speaker 2: I try to stay away from them. Too. Just like I I
Speaker 0: don't do that. Okay. But so where have where have you seen but but you've seen them post infants and toddlers and all that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. I'm just look, man. I know dude, I a 100% know you're not into that stuff. Mhmm. I don't think I'd be here talking to you if you were.
But the reason I wanna ask is because, you know, we've all seen the video of 911 go down. Right? We, you know, we're well
Speaker 2: No. That was, like, 7 or something.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But but we've all, like the the story is that I mean, the the store the the story of that is that planes hit the towers. Now, I mean, Alleged. Right. And then we're not saying anything untrue.
What are
Speaker 2: you talking about? Experienced or whatever?
Speaker 0: Well, no. No. We're we just say alleged because we don't wanna get sued for anything. Well, I mean, I mean, I don't know. I mean, me personally, I don't know how a plane would disappear into a tower.
I mean, I I mean
Speaker 2: He'll he'll be that's a whole another story. My my fault my fault.
Speaker 0: Stay on subject. My fault. I mean seriously, have you seen a play like disappear into a Oh fuck no. Fuck no. Fuck no.
Okay. Whatever. Anyway, that's the story. It's not pleasant to watch though in all seriousness. Right.
Watching watching a car wreck is not pleasant to watch. Mhmm. But we've all seen it. If you see somebody burning down the apartment next to you, you're gonna tell who it is. You you know, you watch an arsonist burn something, it doesn't make you culpable.
So that that's why I'm asking about these videos of infants and toddlers. Do I think that you're in them? Obviously, fucking not. Do I think that you like them? Obviously, fucking not.
But do I think you can also give valuable info to try to find some of these people in them? Shit. I'm not saying you're gonna tell me, like, you know, Chimichan from Thailand is was it I of course, you don't know that. But even if you can narrow down a region of the world or a race, I mean, that eliminates so many people. So that's that's why I'm asking, what typically goes down in these infants and toddler videos?
I hate to ask you really a bit, but you're doing a good thing right now.
Speaker 2: People doing stuff that the kid obviously doesn't even know what's going on. Okay.
Speaker 0: So you so by people, who who do you mean?
Speaker 2: Grown dudes or even women? Yeah.
Speaker 0: So so you see videos
Speaker 2: of what they do
Speaker 0: in your day and things?
Speaker 2: Well, they've people that groom toddlers and, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 0: Okay. So but I'm saying you, like, you see videos of woman doing that shit?
Speaker 2: I have seen because it, like, fits in my ad in a group or something I'm like,
Speaker 0: you know,
Speaker 2: I said, like, I used to take
Speaker 0: or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's that's another reason. You know? But, yeah, that people would add you in a group or something.
Speaker 0: Sure. And I'd be
Speaker 2: in the group for, like, 24 hours or something today.
Speaker 0: Of course. So so what are, like,
Speaker 2: the Yeah. There'd be one person who's, like, in the teens or something. Mhmm. And somebody jumped in there and they'd that kind of stuff.
Speaker 0: The bad apple. Yeah. Yeah. So what's kinda going down in these video? Like like, what if what do you see these asshole women or these, shithead men do to these infants and toddlers?
Like, what what what sex acts have you seen happen to these?
Speaker 2: Force, like, you know, oral or penetration or whatever.
Speaker 0: They do this shit to babies?
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah. Someone did it there.
Speaker 0: Oh my god. How how long are these videos typically?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Not very long. I think that is usually some of them.
Speaker 0: Oh, dude. I love the scorpions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 0: Oh, dude. You're the fucking you're the guy that was off screen. I I I had 6 band members. Holy shit. No.
No. I would say there's there's there's no one like you, but, I think there's 6 p 5 people here like you, so that wouldn't that wouldn't work. Only eighties metal heads would get that one. But, you're a classic rock guy. Yeah.
Fucking hell yeah. Who's your favorite band?
Speaker 2: Honestly probably Judas Priest. Okay. Because of their consistency. How many good albums they got and stuff.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. There's not a bad Judas Priest song. Yeah. I'm a nineties guy.
I like Snow Temple Pilots. You heard of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: You like them okay?
Speaker 2: They're alright. I'm not as big into the nineties. I mean, I grew up in the nineties. Of course. Feel more like seventies and eighties.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I used to be a big Queen fan.
Yeah. No. This music music just got pretty shit after 2005.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. So how often are these scumbags posting, like, these infants and toddlers?
Speaker 3: Like, is
Speaker 2: it is it Honestly, they probably do it all the time out there. I'm sure.
Speaker 0: But in your experience in the groups you've been in, how how often is it? Like, your is it just as much as the teens or is it like?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say just as much. Okay.
Speaker 0: It's more okay. So kind of like a more rare thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's more, I guess, because even some like I say, you know, somebody who's somebody that's younger doesn't necessarily mean that.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. There's levels to it. Yeah. There's levels to it.
Have these people ever talked about, like, the dark web at all?
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't heard of it, but I don't I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 0: Okay. I see. I see. Gosh. So so Kik, Telegram, those 2 are pretty bad.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was on Kik anymore too much because that seems like it was maybe is it 8, like, 10, 15 years ago or something?
Speaker 0: Sure. Sure. Sure.
Speaker 2: But, yeah, it still exists.
Speaker 0: What's, like, the new one they're all using now?
Speaker 2: Well, the thing with, like, something like what Wicker was or what session is Mhmm. Is you can't just, like, find a random person on there. You got you basically go through Reddit to to find
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 2: Because they have, like, a code you gotta give or something.
Speaker 0: Oh, on sessions? Yeah. Okay. So how does sessions kinda work? Like, what's, like, the layout of that?
Speaker 2: It's like your profile code is, like, a bunch of random numbers and you basically copy and paste it in there. Really? And you'll get, you know, random chats or something. Okay. If you will find the code on there.
Speaker 0: When did you get sessions?
Speaker 2: Probably a year ago.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got it. So are there, like, groups on sessions kinda like on Kik or is it on division? More groups. I know.
More individual stuff. Okay. So what kind of goes down when individuals talk to you on sessions?
Speaker 2: Just general, like, dirty chat and whatever.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yep. Well, I'm gonna let you know, Kevin. Sessions is one that I know pretty well. I know it's new.
It ain't just chat on sessions.
Speaker 2: Oh, so they do, Viv? They do that group somewhere?
Speaker 0: No. No. No. But I'm saying, like, yeah. Sure.
They talk to you and stuff like that. But, you know, I'm trying to get at what pictures are being sent on sessions because I know sessions is telegram on steroids. That's what I've heard from a few people. And 2 people completely unrelated to each other know they didn't know each other. They both told me that Sessions' telegram on steroids.
So, I do believe people have, of course, shouted dirty dirty to you on there.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: But, you know, I've I've a very, very, very good feeling. Well, actually, I just know that people are, you know, slinging around picks like no tomorrow in session. Would I be wrong about that?
Speaker 2: No. That's right. Okay.
Speaker 0: So these are,
Speaker 2: so this is like
Speaker 0: in an individual setting these people are doing that?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. So peer to peer?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. Are they sending any boys stuff?
Speaker 2: No. Okay.
Speaker 0: So not queer to queer just peer to peer?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess. Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. So how often are they just kind of sending you this shit on sessions?
Speaker 2: Will it just be if I get on there and get bored and and chat or something? Okay.
Speaker 0: When's the when's the last time they were chatting you up on there?
Speaker 2: I haven't been on there in about a week.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got it. Okay. So so so is it, like, pretty much anytime you get on there, it's just kind of a bombardment?
Speaker 2: That's what? New pictures? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I suppose.
Speaker 0: Okay. If you had to guess, how many how many pictures per session on sessions? I'm a I'm a little bit of a poet, my nigga. So, how many how many pictures per session on sessions are they kinda sending? 1.
If you had to guess, like, is it like spam, spam, spam? Is it here and there? Like, how does it kinda work?
Speaker 2: It depends on the person. Really? Yeah.
Speaker 0: What's what's the worst you've seen?
Speaker 2: Somebody sending stuff. Mhmm. Somebody that's just on our list. Send all kinds of stuff, I guess. Really?
Yeah.
Speaker 0: So someone just spam you with all budget shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I've sent, you know, pictures of the bag and stuff here
Speaker 0: and there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So where do you get those pictures from percent people?
Speaker 2: Well, from men, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 0: Okay. Have you seen anything with, like, animals and kids?
Speaker 2: No. No.
Speaker 0: No? Okay. It's just been it's a weird way to put it, but it's just been like the human species, it hasn't crossed another line.
Speaker 2: Right. Right. Okay.
Speaker 0: Got it. It's kinda fucked up to put it that way, but it's definitely less fucked up than the other shit. What age range have these idiots sent on sessions?
Speaker 2: Well, I mostly just stuck with, like, 13 to 17 or Okay. 18 to 21.
Speaker 0: Well, that might have been what you sent, but I'm asking what people sent you. Because I care about those people more than you obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I usually if I was running exchange like that, then I would try to keep it the same because I didn't want below that.
Speaker 0: So Mhmm. Well, yeah. I know I I know there's what we want but I also know that people on sessions have no chill. So I'm just asking the lowest someone sent you on sessions. I'm not asking what you want.
I believe that you want a 13 enough. Okay? You don't have to prove that to me. I believe that, man. I'm just asking what's the lowest.
Someone said you want sessions.
Speaker 2: Maybe 10 or 11 or something, I guess.
Speaker 0: 10 or 11. Were these videos, pictures, or
Speaker 2: like pictures and stuff. I don't have any of those stuff that deleted
Speaker 0: You deleted sessions?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: When did you delete sessions?
Speaker 2: I deleted it today. Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. So when when you when you would send stuff to people, what would you send at all sessions?
Speaker 2: Usually, the kind of stuff like that, you know, on the sale for whatever mostly.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, no nobody's sending you child porn and then you're not sending your dick back. It's not really how it works. So just come on. What are you sending them at those sessions?
Speaker 2: Well, if I if I was shot I'd usually have warned just to find somebody that I get sex with,
Speaker 0: you
Speaker 2: know, assuming that they're a real girl and, you know, that kind of exchange. But, yeah, sometimes somebody would just want a trade picture. It's like, if if it wasn't a girl, like, a phone check with or something. Mhmm. And, like, I guess that's fine.
You know?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I just kinda pictures. I get it. So okay. So so you sent some nudes of, like, 13 year olds, 14 year olds, other people?
Speaker 2: You know, maybe 15, 16, 17 something.
Speaker 0: Okay. Just news of that age group.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: Any, any megalinks at all? Like, how prevalent is that?
Speaker 2: No. I mean I've heard of that. And that's also something that people have posted stuff on Reddit groups and stuff. They posted mega links on there? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: Can you kinda describe the format of a Megalink?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen one in quite a while. But
Speaker 0: Yeah. Last time you've seen what what kind of what what does it kinda look like? Like, I remember there's, like,
Speaker 2: a red logo, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 0: A red logo? Okay. Yeah, Kevin. I I know that. But, I mean, what is it kind of a what does it show on the mega link is what I'm asking.
Speaker 2: It's like a isn't it like a drop down file? It's like a bunch of picture photos or something?
Speaker 0: Oh, I don't know. You tell me.
Speaker 2: I am really sure it is. Okay.
Speaker 0: That's what it that's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Not too familiar with it, but yeah.
Speaker 0: How many how many mega links do you think, you've seen, like, clicked on
Speaker 2: or whatever? Probably only, like, a couple. Okay.
Speaker 0: How many photos were on those MEGALINX? Usually, like, an overwhelming amount. Really? Yeah. Ballpark fee?
Speaker 2: Like, a couple 100 or 300.
Speaker 0: Lots? When's the last time you saw one
Speaker 2: of those things?
Speaker 0: FPPN alone. Really? Yeah. Really? Okay.
So when you would send people, this, god. How do I put it? When you would send people, like, these nude photos of younger ladies under 18 or videos, whatever, how would you send them? Like, would you send links as well? Would you, like, put it in I
Speaker 2: never had links. I only used, like, the session map or Reddit chat or stuff like that.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you send a few on Reddit too?
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the DMs, like Sure. I can't really I think you can't even send videos in there than I know unless it is like a link.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 2: There's no such pictures there.
Speaker 0: Got it. What's your Reddit name?
Speaker 2: Well, I've had, like, a ton of different accounts. It's like you get banned and then you
Speaker 0: So you've been banned before? Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you come back. So they slowly just like random. Sometimes they just give you a random one.
Speaker 0: You don't
Speaker 2: have to even choose a name.
Speaker 0: Really? Yeah. Okay. I see. Okay.
But when you when when you send something on a Reddit chat, where is it sent from, though? Like, you know, for example, if here. I'm gonna I'm gonna text you a I'm gonna text you a picture of your door right here. Is that kinda what it looks like in the Reddit chain? Just send them something like that, like a picture just in the chat like that?
Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I'll send it
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 0: Got it. Okay. So so where so where are you sending this from? Like, is this, like, at some point was this kind of just on your phone or your computer? Like, how does that kinda work?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's mostly on my phone.
Speaker 0: Okay. So there's a few stuff saved on your phone you probably shouldn't have saved?
Speaker 2: At one point in time, yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 2: But I was trying to just decide to get rid of it all.
Speaker 0: When did you get rid of it?
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you deleted some photos today? Yeah. Okay. About how big was your collection that you got rid of?
Speaker 2: All the stuff for myself and then all
Speaker 0: I'm talking about the underhanded text negative. I'm saying
Speaker 2: I'm saying all in general together, but probably a couple of 100 pictures. But some of it's, you know, maybe the same person or whatever.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like duplicates.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't all underage either.
Speaker 0: Okay. How many nude pictures or videos of underage do you think you got rid of today?
Speaker 2: Maybe half or 2 thirds of that was probably that I guess.
Speaker 0: Okay. So a couple hundred just nude photos of kids or teens or whatever?
Speaker 2: Maybe a 100, I guess. And I guess.
Speaker 0: Of just people under 18?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know exact number.
Speaker 0: Okay. But just not a shit ton but not a small amount either.
Speaker 2: Right. I guess so.
Speaker 0: Where was the state? Was this like on a gallery or something?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was.
Speaker 0: Wow. No fucks given.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was pretty, k.
Speaker 0: Do you have, like, an iPhone, Android? Or
Speaker 2: It's a Galaxy.
Speaker 0: You have a Galaxy? Okay. God. I hate to ask you this because I don't want you to feel like I'm a I don't want you to feel like I'm trying to rape you here. What's really bad?
I don't know because I'm still trying to figure out how a plane just disappears into a tower, but whatever. We'll talk about this after. I don't I don't mean I don't mean I don't mean to I don't I don't want you to think I'm raving you here, but some of those photos so we did a scan on your phone. We knew there's some shit on there. There's videos as well too.
Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. We just scanned your phone. Some of these videos I think we were actually tracking for a while, not specifically you, but I mean just we think we know where they're coming from. Okay. Is there a way like, are they still in your trash, you think?
Speaker 2: No. I emptied my trash
Speaker 0: for sure. So Okay. Okay. Got it. Fuck.
Okay. But you didn't, like, do a factory reset or anything?
Speaker 2: No. I didn't do that.
Speaker 0: Okay. Alright. I think we could still, got it. Is is your phone passcode protected?
Speaker 2: No. I don't have a
Speaker 0: You don't even have passcode? No. Damn. The wrong person just found it. I mean, imagine Kevin, imagine someone like autistic down syndrome 20 year old just gets their hands on your phone and just starts, like, going then he comes across that.
And then he just, like but then he's, like, I wanna tell somebody about this. You you there was, like, no precautions taken?
Speaker 2: No. I guess not. Because it's something I catch up to you eventually. I guess.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's a good point. Goddamn. Was this, like, on a hit was this, like, on a hidden folder or something? 8 newtons.
Okay. So you only wanna
Speaker 2: I just checked it in its own organized folder, I guess.
Speaker 0: Okay. But it was, like, when that folder passcode protected?
Speaker 2: No. I wasn't even sure if I did it when we gathered.
Speaker 0: Okay. Alright.
Speaker 2: Well,
Speaker 0: anything saved on your computer?
Speaker 2: You said me. I don't really use it too much. Okay.
Speaker 0: Mangusta pickles starving. Can you see if Texas Roadhouse is still open?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I gotta get my charger up because my phone's just dead.
Speaker 0: Alright. Yeah. For sure. You wanna use my phone or we'll charge it up pretty fast? You wanna use my phone or No.
I can just Okay. I'll just start Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No problem.
You're okay with it now? Is that right? Yep. Okay. So do you have, like, a girlfriend or anything at all?
Speaker 2: No. Uh-uh. Not. No? Since 2019, 2020.
Speaker 0: Why would happen?
Speaker 2: I've seen her, like, right before, right during, you know, the pandemic and stuff.
Speaker 0: Oh, really? Yeah. She's a
Speaker 2: 19 year old student from over Okay. Lexington. There you go.
Speaker 0: How'd y'all meet? Tinder, actually. Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's cool. But, no, she was, like, one that's really paranoid about going out and making contact and stuff and, like, she's gonna goatee about that. And she was still living at home too. Really?
And she hadn't even told him about me yet and stuff. And so, like, you know, I wanted her to meet my family and stuff. Mhmm. Sure. Sure.
Yeah. We didn't really get to that point. We kinda split it there.
Speaker 0: Got it. Where's your family from?
Speaker 2: Rich Family Co.
Speaker 0: Waco?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Close by.
Speaker 0: There's a Waco, Kentucky? Yeah. Oh, didn't even know. So are you like a sorry. Are you like a country guy?
Are you like a city slicker? Or
Speaker 2: I was grew up country kinda. Okay. Okay. Mostly rural areas.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Wow. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I see. I see. So do
Speaker 0: you have any, like, kids of your own? Or No.
Speaker 2: No. I don't. No.
Speaker 0: Planning on that one day?
Speaker 2: I've never never really have been interested. I'm sure. I suppose that could always change the future. You never know Yeah. Yeah.
Plans are. But No. It wasn't something I'd like strive for as like a girl
Speaker 0: or anything. Yeah. Yeah. Any like nieces and nephews?
Speaker 2: No. My sister doesn't have kids. I just got, sister, brother, and cousins, I guess.
Speaker 0: Okay. No kids. Kentucky, many say sisters and brothers and cousins are all the same thing.
Speaker 2: Of course that happens anyways. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I know. For sure. Okay. What app primarily would you say has been the most extreme for, I guess, for lack of a better term, child porn in your experience?
Speaker 2: Well, I think, if it was a web, I think red is the center of it probably. Okay. And it branches off to kilogram and session and kick and Wicker and all those types of things.
Speaker 0: So so so Reddit's kind of like the, so it's like it's like That's where they
Speaker 2: yeah. I think that's where they find, like, those those other apps too, you know.
Speaker 0: Okay. So it's like Grand Central Station and then you can take the train to Telegram. You can take the train to That's pretty much the way to put it. Okay. I see.
I see. So how did you become like such a movie buff? Or
Speaker 2: well, you know, when I was growing up, my great grandmother used to have a big VHS collection and stuff. Mhmm. And so there's always something around to watch. My dad was always a big movie guy. So, you know, and
Speaker 0: I just
Speaker 2: when DVDs were still new, I was selected those when it came out and just kinda stuck with physical media. Nice.
Speaker 0: Well, I see some of the best. Well, monopoly game is not right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's all garbage stuff. It's all garbage stuff kids.
Speaker 0: Garbage shell kids?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. That's something I've been into since I was 10. They were from the eighties and they brought them back in 2000s.
Speaker 0: Also, that's why you put all your photos of kids on in the trash on your phone. Because you you're a fan of, like, garbage kids. You put them in the garbage on your phone. I I choose you did. Oh, that makes sense.
Oh, okay. I mean, that gives me a bigger peace of mind. Wow. I see. So, They repaired you with
Speaker 2: the Tabaschats Kids.
Speaker 0: Oh, the Garbage Pail Kids? Oh, see. I I've never even heard of them before. That is interesting. Oh, man.
So how so you're actually 30 years old?
Speaker 2: Yeah. 93. God. Every day, dude.
Speaker 0: God, you're you're showing anonymous online, dude. Fucking hard to find. No. You're 31.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. No. I turned 31 in April. Oh, alright.
Speaker 0: Kevin Perkett.
Speaker 2: It says approximate.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Has anybody ever accused you of this type of stuff before? No.
Has there ever been anybody, like, in person that's been, like, you know, Kevin did this Kevin did this to me or, you know, Kevin was with my kid and this happened? Anything like that? No. No. Okay.
Have you have you been on the dark web, like, even once or twice?
Speaker 2: No. No.
Speaker 0: Let's see. So all all the shit mostly happens on your phone?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 0: I see. So I guess what prompted you in the first place to download Reddit? And it or I guess how how'd you stumble across this stuff on Reddit?
Speaker 2: Well, originally I just heard that they had like, you know, they get you on there and find if you're interested in something there's like a stuff for it.
Speaker 0: So if
Speaker 2: it's music, if it was this or that, they got, you know, separated from movies, horror movies, you know, whatever. And then they also have, like, the you know, instead of just going to, like, point of it, then they got point on there and stuff, you know, so I see you. I see you. Wow.
Speaker 0: What app would you say the worst is for when people post the infants into all their stuff? Like, what app does that happen almost in your experience?
Speaker 2: It used to be Wicker was really bad for it.
Speaker 0: Wicker was bad for it
Speaker 2: and that's probably why I got something.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No kidding, dude. Were there any other encrypted apps? Like, do you have, like, Viber or anything? Or
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that.
Speaker 0: Oh, no Viber. What about Xyngy or
Speaker 2: No. No. So it's just
Speaker 0: okay. So Wicker was a Wicker was a code too like Telphax sessions is?
Speaker 2: Yeah. You had a username on there but I can't remember how it's been however long. Even before shutdown, it landed to where only preexisting accounts should get on there. There's nobody new to them. Oh, okay.
So it's been like a year and a half or 2 or something.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure.
Where is your phone right now currently?
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's on the charger. Okay.
Speaker 0: Let's see. How long have you had that phone for?
Speaker 2: Let's see. I tried it in. I was still making payments on it. I see it another there. But it's probably been maybe a year, a little over a year actually.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 0: Okay. So with all the crap on your phone, you didn't factory reset it. You just kinda deleted it, then just that'd be the trash.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: Did you put anything new under folks in there?
Speaker 2: No. No?
Speaker 0: Oh, man.
Speaker 2: So have you have
Speaker 0: you had the mega app at one point?
Speaker 2: I had it briefly but I wasn't really a big fan of it. And it was like it was like one of those things kinda like, you know, like Google likes to back up your photos and stuff. Mhmm. And then you got they want you to, like, pay a service or something for it? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Or they do the paid app stuff. Okay. So you I just wasn't really into the random anonymous stuff that much.
It was more like trying to find someone personal to make with or something.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So what was your what was your goal with Ariel here? Like, what what were you I'm not saying today, obviously, we knew that. But, like, what what was, you know, say today, like, happened? What would happen after?
Like, what were you hoping would this would become?
Speaker 2: I don't know if there just whatever how it flowed, I guess.
Speaker 0: Okay. So that so you are hoping for this to be something more than today?
Speaker 2: I suppose. Yeah. I would
Speaker 0: say it would be.
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 0: Have there been any other, younger ladies under 18 around, like, Ariel's age that have just kind of pursued that longer term relationship with you or pursued, like, a relationship with you?
Speaker 2: No. I never really had anything, like, as far as that goes, like, partners. Long term. Yeah. Usually, like, maybe a month or something.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 2: Talking and usually somebody goes at some point or another. Usually, it goes with most of my interactions.
Speaker 0: Got it.
Speaker 2: Some people go after one day. Some people go after the week. Mhmm. Yeah.
Speaker 0: So when you saw me come out of the car today Mhmm. Because I haven't really had a chance to ask anybody this. When you saw me come out of the car today and just kinda walk up to your car, what were you thinking?
Speaker 2: Oh, the second time? Yeah. Oh, I I was I was like, I think is that the guy from before? I'm pretty sure you recognize that man. I was just like, what?
So I knew it's must have been on setup
Speaker 0: or something. Did you actually go to CBS today yourself? Yeah. You walked into CBS?
Speaker 2: I did and I walked around and looked at the dolls and stuff. And just and then I just never did buy anything or do anything. I just left.
Speaker 0: Oh god.
Speaker 2: You saw it in TVS? Yeah. You had like a black bin or something. Right?
Speaker 0: Yeah. You were actually in CBS? Yeah.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 0: Were you running a hat or anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Any sunglasses? No.
Speaker 0: Did you, like, have your hair back
Speaker 2: at all or not? Like it is my man. How the
Speaker 0: fuck did we miss you?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. The fuck? I'm so I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: Wait. I don't understand. Wait a second. You saw him in there? You saw him in there?
Speaker 2: I believe
Speaker 0: so. I think so. Fuck. We're on the counter area. Did you go to the back of the store?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I won't go in yet.
Speaker 0: God damn it. Okay. So you came into CVS.
Speaker 2: And then I walked around and looked at stuff. Okay. Then I went back to my car.
Speaker 0: Did you then did you drive off and then come like, to okay. So you went to your core
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 0: You went to your core and left. Mhmm.
Speaker 4: But then
Speaker 0: you came back again. Is that when the cops came?
Speaker 2: When I came back the second time? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you were actually you went to see CBS, didn't see anything, drove drove off, and then came back again. That's when you saw a cop car.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. Like the I I I guess you kinda figured the cops were with us. It was just a coincidence. When we saw the cop car, we're like, oh my fucking god. Goddamn, dude.
I'm told I'm told I'm how the how the fuck did it yeah. What? Goddamn it, dude. Yeah. I don't know.
Whatever. I'll beat myself up for that later today. Wow. So someone's to ask, What
Speaker 2: color shirt were you wearing? Yeah.
Speaker 0: What color shirt were you wearing?
Speaker 2: This. What the
Speaker 0: fuck? Wow. Your your your couch is really comfortable. That's strange. Do you have, like, any any any friends or guys that you just kinda hang out with or anything or
Speaker 2: I don't have a ton of close friends. I got basically one guy that I'm hanging out with that like, better weekend. Usually, once or so at least.
Speaker 0: Okay. Did you know him, like, from high school or something? Or No.
Speaker 2: He's older than I am. And actually, he moved here from Wisconsin. He was, he used to play in a band with a bunch of my buddies.
Speaker 0: Do you do you play do
Speaker 3: you play music at all?
Speaker 2: No. I don't. But I'm just always into it. Okay. It's like a fan.
I was a supporter and stuff.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I'd go over
Speaker 2: and hang out with them and go on. We've had similar favorite bands. So There you go. Don't wanna go to concerts. It's not anymore.
Now I use the shutter card, so I don't think
Speaker 0: What's the last concert you went to?
Speaker 2: Probably one of ones which I used to travel pretty far from. Like, I've been to Texas with this before. Where in Texas? Houston. I went and saw there were, like, 30 bands there.
There's all the metal bands that I don't really play on the side of the coast. Sorry. I had to, I've been to Cleveland. I've been to Michigan. But now the last ones, probably Torban Arena.
I saw a couple of bands from late age, early nineties, like Firehouse and Winger. And I saw Gidders Breeze and Queens right there for anniversary tours.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 2: And let's see. I went to I saw the stadium tour a couple of years ago when it finally happened, like, 3 years later after I got the league.
Speaker 0: Nice. Yeah. I'm sorry you had to see my shithole city of Houston but whatever. I guess it was worth it for all the bands. Yeah.
Did you did you drive all the way down to Houston?
Speaker 2: I did actually. Wow. Yeah. And it was a long house. I got a couple of buggies that lived in Western Kentucky.
Speaker 0: Okay. And
Speaker 2: it's like 2 and a half, 3 hours from here.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. Right.
Speaker 2: And I actually went over because it was from then, it was like 15 hours, I think.
Speaker 0: And so my brother is more
Speaker 2: like 17, 18 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of that. And, I went and stayed at the 9th place, then we got up early and left.
They took us all day, and we got there and stayed the night before. And we got up and went to the fiscal. And next early next morning, like, 4 in the morning, something came back. Oh my god, dude. Yeah.
We sat there for a couple of days or something just to hang around with it.
Speaker 0: Good food there though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Wow. Alright. It's interesting, man. It's interesting. So on Reddit, when you make a new account because this is effort tonight, something that I would wanna get on to kinda infiltrate on your account obviously but, you know, fucking just whatever.
When you make a new account, do you have to have a new email associated with it?
Speaker 2: No. You don't have to.
Speaker 0: No. She used to
Speaker 2: make one. No. You can just keep using the same email address from multiple accounts on there.
Speaker 0: Got it. Well, did your latest account have an email address?
Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure. It's just my
Speaker 0: own. Okay. I wanna see if there's a way we could friend each other on Reddit just so I can kinda just give me a little wink wink to know I'm not as in people. You know what I mean? Uh-huh.
What is, can you can you write down your email address here? And then and then your latest Reddit username if you can because I do wanna make an account friendly there.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 0: You left you too?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 0: Nice man. Me too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ain't nothing different. Like, there's something people tease you about.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Did you get Kevin Lees from?
Speaker 2: Z as a z. Z 28.
Speaker 0: Oh, you've been late for Lee. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Alright.
And, what's your latest, Reddit username? Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't even remember because I have to go and deleted the app off my phone. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: But, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I can maybe pull it up
Speaker 0: if you want. Yeah. I'll be more. Yeah. And this tablet here kinda is like what kinda go on with the tablet?
Same apps or something? Or
Speaker 2: No. I don't really use the apps on there. Okay. I don't even remember if I use remember my username and password. I probably just have to make a new one, I guess.
That's what you wanna do.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 2: That's We're just turning off. Taking a second. Okay. Once you texted it. Yeah.
It's not fucking good.
Speaker 0: I texted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It might take a minute. Yeah. Anyways. Alright. I finally got to.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Maybe it okay.
Speaker 2: No. There's, like, kind of
Speaker 0: All those usernames there? Here. Actually, here. Pull up those usernames if you don't mind. Mhmm.
Speaker 2: You're you're I don't know how it got mixed with the screen. What's that?
Speaker 0: Maybe continue here. Maybe, hold on. So I can always just have this for later. Continue with Google maybe, if you don't mind.
Speaker 2: Send it to Google. No. Gmail. What's the matter? I'll use Gmail at
Speaker 0: once. Okay.
Speaker 2: Dude, what the heck? You just had It only did that when I first downloaded the app.
Speaker 0: Maybe try to log in. Okay. Continue. Oh, maybe just if you don't mind, maybe you start downloading the app again.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 0: God, you got a fucking shit ton of names on there.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm sure I'll give a plug in when I still want me to sell. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here we go.
I'm not gonna know any of the sun ends if it was just always on matching around.
Speaker 0: Here we go. Okay. Yeah. May I hang on to it for a sec? Sec?
K. Thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Some of those are probably older names, guys. Like, once I got ran the first time, I was trying to just kept getting all that back on there. It's like a whatever.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Okay. So what does bandicoot mean?
Speaker 2: Just crash bandicoot.
Speaker 0: What the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 2: Oh, PlayStation tracker.
Speaker 0: Oh, perverted bandicoot, band the stick and balls, curvy older guy, here here for team pussy. Yeah. Just round chill like that. Okay. Alright.
That is great. Alright. Bet. I have all those saved. I'll text you if you don't mind.
I'll text you if you don't mind, like, which, which names maybe we can try to use and I
Speaker 2: don't know. Kinda go at
Speaker 0: this together. Find these sick fucks.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 0: Do you ever have any water?
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you don't mind. Oh.
Speaker 0: Thanks, dude. I'm sleepy, man. Just my freaking onto the gym's name, bro. I did some mildly heavy squats, and I'm just out of it. So I'm just curious.
Mhmm. What do you think about 911?
Speaker 2: What do I think about? I try not to think about it, I guess. I don't know. It's something I never forget. I never been in that much trouble.
Speaker 0: No. No. I mean, do do you think it was like an inside job or do you think it was exactly how I said it was? I'm not gonna judge you for any answer.
Speaker 2: I have no idea because, I mean, they don't tell the people what they want the people to know.
Speaker 0: No. A 100%. So And they could come out and
Speaker 2: and say they did it, but then they would feel, oh, it's just a distraction
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. No. So okay. $1,000,000 on the line theoretically.
And if you get this answer right, you win $1,000,000 theoretically. Mhmm. Okay. Is the official narrative of 911 the a 100 the 100% truth? Yes or no?
Speaker 2: A 100%. I have no idea of of ever knowing that. I don't think anybody except for
Speaker 0: the letter
Speaker 2: would know.
Speaker 0: Well, yes. But what is your plan? Probably not. Probably not. Okay.
What do you think they lied about?
Speaker 2: Maybe some 100 details at least. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 0: I personally think it's weird that, you know, the Pentagon is the most secure, basically building in the world, and they can't get any good footage of just a plane hitting the Pentagon. It's just it's really slow. Like, it looks like a stop stop motion film. Like, it looks like claymation missing missing a bunch of things. That's the best they have.
And he did But, Chasifile was a
Speaker 2: plane that's driving pretty fast.
Speaker 0: Well, sure. But I mean, I mean, you had alleged VHS recordings of the plane just crashing into the twin towers like nothing. But on the Pentagon, the most secure building in the world, there's just no there's just no actual, like, there's just no actual just, like, regular footage. It's just, like, very local. It just and then another thing that really got me fucked up is, you know, they they found the passport of one of the terrorists, Mohammed Arabs, completely I mean, we saw how big the explosion were just completely intact.
The passport was completely fine. It's found in the rubble. But yet nobody else's passport was, oh, but the terrorist passport is coincidentally found. And another thing that's weird to me is, okay. So I don't know.
You haven't been to Somerset, Pennsylvania, have you?
Speaker 2: No. I've been to Somerset, Kentucky. No. Pennsylvania.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, Somerset, Pennsylvania, Kentucky are pretty much the same place. Just the accents are a little bit different. But same type of, like, you know, rural small town, just kinda conservative a little bit. And so, you know, the phone service Somerset, Kentucky is the best.
I'm sure as you know. The phone service Somerset PA is even worse because, you know, Somerset, Kentucky, you know, some rolling hills and and shit. Somerset, PA is mountains. And, you're telling me in 2002 and this wasn't even in Somerset. This the Somerset was the closest town to Shanksville, PA.
You're telling me that people in 2002 were able to make cell phone calls from a plane in Shanks over Shanksville, Pennsylvania. So just think, you know Rochester, Kentucky?
Speaker 2: No. I've heard of the one in New York. Right.
Speaker 0: Right. Well, just think of the most bummed fuck town in Kentucky you can think of. That's Shanksville, PA where you have no signal or on the ground in 2024. But you're told me in an airplane, they can make cell phone calls to their loved ones like this. And the really fucking crazy part is, like, there's no actual back and forth phone calls between somebody on the plane and somebody on the ground.
Like, you don't really fall on the ground. It's always just voice mails. You're telling me out of all the phone calls that were made, not a single person on the ground picked up. We don't have the conversation back and forth. We only have, hey, it's me.
I love you. This is happening. I just don't believe it.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 0: mean, I can go to Shanksville PA right now and have no phone service.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: I mean, much less of a plane in 2002. Because, you know, even when driving from Houston to San Antonio, in 2017, even in the middle of those two cities, both very big cities, there's no phone there was I mean, there is now but there's no phone service in 2017 in between those. So that doesn't make any sense. I think those calls were personally staged. That just doesn't make any type of sense to me, man.
Oh, god. It's just it's just, it's a shit show. I mean, they lied to us. They lied to us, I think. You you know Alex Jones.
Is it right?
Speaker 2: No. I mean, name sounds familiar but
Speaker 0: Right. He's the guy who says the frogs will turn gay because of Astra's in the water.
Speaker 2: So they pull social figures?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's all the big stuff.
Speaker 0: No. No. That that that's, you know, I used to think people will lose that dinner, but that's actually a good thing because they're all the same. But what I would show is that I don't mean to like him. That's my boy.
But, you know, politicians are all the same. They're all the same. But, yeah, I know that. Brainwashing Yeah. 100%.
100%. But that's kind of that's kind of my thing. Paul was talking with the DoorDash driver right now. We're delivering the food.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Probably.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. He he told he he told me. Yeah. Yeah.
So And he get ranch? Yeah. He got the Cajun sauce. That was fun. Yeah.
But yeah, man. So that that's that's kinda my thing. I mean, are there any are there any alleged I mean, I think the conspiracy theory of 911. I I think it's a conspiracy theory for people actually believe what the government said. I mean, you're telling me that people who just couldn't even, allegedly couldn't even drive, fly a Cessna just magically get on a, on a on a 747 and and are able to just know where the Empire State Building is.
I mean I mean, how do you mean you gotta have some pretty insane navigation skills to take a plane off course and just know exactly where building is. And, you know, that that's the crazy part too. You know, these terrorists who have never flown a plane before that where there's that big. It's not like they just missed the twin like, it would be more believable even if they just missed the twin towers one time. Which, oh, we but, you know, we didn't really quite hit it yet.
Now we're
Speaker 3: gonna turn around and try again. But
Speaker 0: they just knew the timing. They just knew everything. I mean, it's goddamn. I mean, just imagine the first time you played basketball, you insulated a half court shot. That's what that's the equivalent of how accurate they were.
So, for all those reasons, I don't believe that if anybody wants to refute me or poke holes in my logic, they can try, but I just don't think they can. You know what I mean? I'm very I'm I'm very compelled that the government lied to us. So, you know, did you get the COVID vaccine?
Speaker 2: No. I didn't.
Speaker 0: Here you go. There you go. Good.
Speaker 2: I did. Well, I don't get flu shots and it's not a a political stance or nothing like that for many. It's just that
Speaker 0: It's a waste of time.
Speaker 2: Well, I just I just felt like I had to deal with my natural immunity stuff. Right. There was all that pressure to oh, you need to get the shot. Sure. It was never, like, required in my work.
Right. Right. Places like hospital or something
Speaker 0: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's a little different. We're working around, I guess, a lot of people.
Speaker 0: For sure. For sure. Oh my god, dude. 9:11 might be the might be the move to just that might be the move. Where's your photo right now?
Speaker 2: Like, no. It's like you said that.
Speaker 0: Dude, what's up with the DoorDash driver, bro? 2nd Paulo's cock.
Speaker 2: Speaking of what's happening back.
Speaker 0: What's up? Enjoy your head?
Speaker 4: Oh, how's it going, sir? How are you all? Hi.
Speaker 0: Basically, we're just having a conversation here with Kevin. And, basically, there is just some internet stuff that happened yesterday or earlier today. And these idiots were sending you a child porn to that phone. Right? Just willy nilly just sending you that shit,
Speaker 2: In the past. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. But you said you got rid of all the child porn there today. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any of that. So you had team stuff from that. But, yeah, I deleted all photographs. I didn't want any part of none of that stuff. Okay.
Speaker 0: But basically, like, you know, new teams, like, 13 and not be deleted on there? On here? Mhmm. Okay. So there's, like, new teens and, like, you know, 13 year old on your gallery, but you actually got rid of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 4: Kevin? Kevin. Right? Kevin, these guys have permission to be in your residence?
Speaker 2: Well, they knocked on my door and Okay.
Speaker 4: But you're still good with them being here?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they're they're here now. So Okay.
Speaker 4: Do you mind stepping up top desk real quick?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Do you want that I mean, I'm not saying you have
Speaker 0: to leave them alone or a bit. I mean, it's up to you, big dog.
Speaker 2: What I'll do? Oh, I think he wants to see you go. I mean, I don't know. Shoes on or what?
Speaker 0: Well, that's up to you. I mean, I like to I like to free feed myself, but that's totally your decision.
Speaker 4: You say you guys have information or something? Do you wanna talk to
Speaker 0: one of our officers? Whichever one he has information, come talk to me.
Speaker 4: Kevin, may we come in instead? Would that be easier?
Speaker 0: That would probably be.
Speaker 2: I suppose. Is that
Speaker 4: okay if we
Speaker 0: can chat? Yeah. Okay. Well, whoever else come out and talk to officer Coleman. Yeah.
I guess I'll go ahead and talk. Alright.
Speaker 2: Sure. You're not stuck on this one. Okay. It's a general
Speaker 0: No. No. Yeah. Yeah. What's your name?
Speaker 4: Kevin was messing. We're just
Speaker 0: gonna kinda separate real quick and collect what we have have so far and Yeah. Today figure
Speaker 2: out how to move forward.
Speaker 0: The best. I'll be right with you today.
Speaker 4: If you don't mind, just give us your phone as a real No.
Speaker 0: At CVS on the hook at 3. He drove off for he'd say a word to him, but, we found him here at his address. And, you know, we'd gone through the door. You know? He let us see.
Yeah. Yeah. Over the course of our conversation with Clifford into possessing child pornography, honestly, what he's speaking I mean, obviously, after he was the Walgreens or the CBS, he deleted it all, but he didn't, like, factor reset or, like, do anything like that. He just did a soft delete, so it's easily recoverable. That's why I made sure to say in front of the cops or in front of you guys that he had it on his phone.
So, you know, hopefully, he has probable cause to go take his phone. And, yeah, he said he's traded child porn. He's received child porn. He said he's viewed videos here in the Infants and Toddlers, getting raped, and he admitted to wanting to meet up with his 13 year old girl for sex today. And, you know, we understand in Kentucky that, for it to be like enticement or solicitation minor, it has to be a law enforcement officer or a real kid on the other end.
So that's what I like. You'll see in most of the interview when we send it that we really ask him for the child porn because we have multiple people in Kentucky arrested just based on child pornography. So, yeah. That's that's what we think. He can be arrested for I mean, arrested for when he held up his phone and get a warrant for it.
He confessed and went into detail about a lot of stuff. And he also handed over his usernames on Reddit. One of them was, like, here for team Odyssey verbatim. So he's, yeah, he's definitely in the underage for sure. Okay.
Yeah. Maybe he lives in, like, some house or something or, like, a room or something.
Speaker 2: Well, there's some new
Speaker 4: houses that have a problem. Above them. Oh, okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. What's up, guys? So right now, they're taking all of the devices. I don't think an arrest is gonna happen tonight. But I think by the time this video drops, it should have arrested in the title.
So Kentucky is kind of like Ohio and the fact that, our our decoy chance can't necessarily be used. Since we're not cops or a real kid, obviously. So, we have to go another route in Kentucky, which is with the, images on their devices. So, I think he's gonna get arrested on that, no doubt, based on what he admitted to. So, so yeah.
So this may be like a 2 hour cash or 1 half hour. I don't know how long it was. But we spent hours and hours and hours looking for this guy. So we had him driving off on us twice and, you know, this guy never gave his real name. Well, he said that his name was Kev, but he never gave, like, his full name.
Like, he wasn't just like, oh, he's this and this. Like, we had to do everything. We had to find him. You know, the guy who's holding the camera, he actually found his apartment based on the tiles on the from the video call, and we matched it up to this. And he set a general location, like, he dropped that.
He's at this pizza place, which is pretty close to these apartments. Yeah. We kinda zeroed in a location. And then we zeroed in an apartment based on the tiles on the video call. So oh, man.
It was definitely a hours looking for this dude. But I'm glad we found him. And I'm glad Richmond is gonna be a little bit safer now. So if you wanna join locals and be a part of the reason we could travel nationwide, travel most catch the sickest, join in the pinned comment or press that red join button if you're on Rumble. Bye.
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Video Transcript AI Summary
In this video, the speaker engages in a conversation with Greg about hacked accounts and privacy concerns. Greg denies any involvement in inappropriate messages sent to two girls named Summer and Mandy, emphasizing his right to privacy. The conversation becomes heated, prompting them to move outside. The speaker, representing Kid Protectors USA, expresses concerns about protecting children online, while Greg questions the legality of the messages and his responsibility for others' actions. The discussion also delves into the speaker's past experiences with deception and false accusations, highlighting the importance of freedom of speech. They discuss the speaker's interactions with Summer and Mandy on Facebook, questioning the authenticity of their accounts and the need for proof. The conversation becomes contentious as they debate the explicit sexual content and accusations of entrapment. The accused person denies the allegations and argues against incrimination based solely on text messages. They discuss privacy, determining someone's age online, and the influence of movies. The video ends with the mention of involving law enforcement to further investigate the allegations.
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Speaker 0: I'm not
Speaker 1: doing nothing with anybody. And the thing is Okay. I also know my shit's been hacked. So you have to prove it was me.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I mean, the proof the proof that, y'all were having conversation together is the fact that the phone calls are recorded and, you know, every single message is traced back to an IP address. It always comes back to phone or your house. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't matter. You can also trace back all the other IP addresses that hacked in my shit. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna could use that against the case.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: Well, because hacking is also a federal crime, not a state crime. It's a federal crime.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, Greg
Speaker 1: And it's also in the actual state laws.
Speaker 0: Well, Greg, I'm not I'm not doubting maybe you've been hacked before. Okay? I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: Summer hacked over 5 years.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I'm just talking about Summer and Mandy right now. So I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about people are names bringing up names because it goes back to
Speaker 2: privacy.
Speaker 0: You're that guy I need to
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Have
Speaker 0: you seen this guy around here? We're looking for him here. Yeah. Absolute I swear to god. Well, Why else am I fast to be at a gym?
Come on, bro. Stop. Hey. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah. Oh my god. Are you fucking
Speaker 0: Johnny, do you know where he
Speaker 3: is? He's usually in the locker room.
Speaker 0: In the locker room?
Speaker 3: He always goes to the steam room.
Speaker 0: Oh, what a faggot. Okay.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. You you
Speaker 0: should switch off pedophile. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to watch.
Speaker 0: Alright, bro. Yeah. Go to the steam room. We just kinda just walked in to deeming, like Yeah. Yeah.
We're in steam room. There's no way this is actually happening. Houston, Texas. God. Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah. He's into fucking dogs too. Yeah. I did.
Okay.
Speaker 3: He was not in there. He was here earlier. Hey.
Speaker 2: What's up, Greg?
Speaker 0: Oh, what's going on,
Speaker 1: brother? Yeah.
Speaker 0: I got some messages to a man. He had a somewhere I gotta talk to you about. Why don't you go ahead and go to Brian and have talk about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me go. Alright.
Speaker 0: Let's do it. I didn't try to put you on blast for everybody and be able to talk about it. Okay? What's going on? It's just some messages to, Manny and someone I wanna go over from Facebook.
Speaker 1: I didn't do nothing with them.
Speaker 0: I know. You okay?
Speaker 1: Can I, stay out of whatever's out?
Speaker 0: Out? I mean, yeah. I mean, we can just talk about it and whatever. You can do whatever you want, but I'm just giving you the chance to talk about it because, you know, I know you're not a bad dude and all that stuff. But,
Speaker 1: Who who who are you talking about? I have privacy. I know that.
Speaker 0: Sure. Well, I'm talking about kinda messages to Summer and Mandy here.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that counts under.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, look, Greg. We have every phone call same. Okay? Every picture same.
K? I don't wanna come to see you. I'm willing to go talk about surprise with
Speaker 2: you because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't even know who these girls
Speaker 2: are. Okay.
Speaker 0: Have you met him in person? No. Have you just online talk to them?
Speaker 1: I don't know who you're talking about because, like I said, I have privacy and I'm not gonna release any information without a subpoena. I don't care what you believe you have. The point is I'm not gonna admit to that.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, that's totally fine, you know, because it's not about you admitting or not admitting. I'm not trying to do that. I'm just trying to figure out, like, what the heck's going on here. Okay?
Because, look, I know you're a guy who works hard. You don't go to the gym, all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm here on my own private business.
Speaker 0: I I I fully understand that. And, you know, we have basically everything here. I'm willing to just talk to you about it. I don't think you're a bad person. There's a reason I'm just talking to you.
Okay? There's a reason I'm not, you know, shouting out everything at the top of my lungs. I'm gonna just go talk about this in private with you. That's all. Okay?
So, I mean, if that's not something you wanna do, that's fine. I'm just letting you know. It's probably your mistake. But, again, because if you weren't a hardworking guy who actually goes to the gym and, you know, I respect the shit of Hill lifters. I used to lift a shit ton of myself when I played football.
Speaker 1: I have privacy in this world. I I have a constitutional right of privacy.
Speaker 0: You absolutely do.
Speaker 1: And I have also privacy of evidence and also regards of who they believe. Plus, if my accounts have been hacked in any shape or form, I also have to, proof that to prove that somebody else could be the on the other end doing this or that. No. They have to prove who actually did what. So in reality, regardless of who says what, I'm not trying to say you think this anatomy, but the point is at the end of the day, I'm not gonna, admit to nothing because I do have privacy.
Speaker 0: That's totally fine. And, you know, for but, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how you are. Coming at me about 2 people that I've never even met, and I have no idea who these people are.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I'm not coming at you like you don't have privacy. I fully understand that. And I thought this isn't about getting proof. The proof is in the recordings.
Okay? So the proof isn't about what?
Speaker 4: Excuse me. Do you guys do you guys have a membership here? Oh, can you can
Speaker 0: you just talk to him for if you don't mind? Just keep me on. Can you just go talk to him? Just tell him what's Sure.
Speaker 1: Hey. If you
Speaker 4: guys don't have a membership, I'm sorry. You guys, like, you guys can talk to him outside of the gym, but you guys can't be in here and walk him in doing this. I'll see you guys walk in. Like, I'll I'll say something to you guys, and then you guys didn't say anything to me back.
Speaker 0: You guys went straight into the basketball court. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then you guys like, I wanted you to go away. So I'm gonna need you guys to step outside.
Speaker 1: That's basketball first. I didn't go on basketball first.
Speaker 4: No. Not you. Not you.
Speaker 0: I know you remember, Greg.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know you remember. I'm not doing that. He came at me. Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You guys you guys didn't even
Speaker 1: I was I was having a conversation with another gentleman and then he's telling me he's doing all this and I have also evidence showing that my accounts have been hacked. So in so many words, I don't care what he wants to say. The point is you still gotta prove it. That subpoena is coming down. I don't care what he believes at the end of the day.
No. Okay. Okay. I guess But if
Speaker 3: I can my counsel. Good.
Speaker 1: Well, we didn't hear you. No. Right.
Speaker 4: Let's just take this outside.
Speaker 0: Let's not bring any shit to him, please.
Speaker 1: Like, it's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Like I'm I'm with it.
Speaker 4: Not Not just not in
Speaker 0: Let let let's respect his business and just take it outside. Okay? Let's just do that. Alright? Like,
Speaker 4: not in not in the locker room. That's all. Exactly.
Speaker 0: At least not in the locker room. Let's just at least take it
Speaker 2: to the person
Speaker 1: who not sport anyways.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Correct.
Speaker 0: It's it's not about a sport. We should probably just get let's go outside where nobody can overhear.
Speaker 4: Only because you know how my manager is. I mean, I
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I respect you. Let's yeah.
Greg, let's not bring any shit to this gym or anything because, you know, we don't want your membership in Jeff jeopardy or anything like that. Let's just go to the side where nobody can hear and just just hash it out in private over there. Can we can we just do that? That's probably the best idea because, you know, obviously, I have what I have here. I'm willing to just go address it with you away from everybody.
Do you wish you hadn't read anything because I'm not trying to have anybody know. Okay?
Speaker 1: About what? The rest about what? Can you hear it now? I know he doesn't wanna hear it and I understand that. Okay.
But I can't wait. If you
Speaker 4: if you need, like, if you need somebody, like, recording for you or anything, like, we got you. But, like,
Speaker 0: not just not in the gym.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you if you need any, like, backup or anything like that, we got you. Right? But just not in the gym.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Can we just go on the side of the building and just address it there, dude?
Speaker 4: I just don't you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: I don't wanna be trapped by the cops.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well Because
Speaker 1: I know they have the law of entrapment, and I'm not gonna sit here and let you entrap me.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, do I look like the cops?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know who you are.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not.
Speaker 4: You want
Speaker 2: us to
Speaker 4: just go right outside the door.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Greg, let's not bring any shit to him. He's he has a job to do. Let's at least do that.
Speaker 4: You good, bro. As long as I yeah. You're fine. You're good. As long as I'm, you know, front desk Yeah.
Yeah. I can see y'all like y'all good.
Speaker 0: Like, who
Speaker 1: are these other people?
Speaker 0: I they they just are curious about what's going on. I didn't tell them anything. My business That's totally they they do have no right. They do have no right. They do have I said they do have no right.
They have no right. Correct.
Speaker 1: To the 5th 5th. Yes. Part of our first
Speaker 0: 1st amendment? Yep. No. Not first amendment. 5th amendment.
Speaker 2: Our
Speaker 0: not this amendment. Okay.
Speaker 2: It
Speaker 1: has to do with our actual federal act. But
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, let's just let's just go find a quieter place outside. Let's just not bring any shit towards anybody else.
Speaker 2: Can we
Speaker 0: at least agree on that, James
Speaker 1: or Greg?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what this
Speaker 4: is about.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I just know you're telling me about 2 people's names, and I have no idea who they are. I don't care if you have a million things about this and that.
Speaker 0: I No. It's just Right. Sure. I understand.
Speaker 1: I'm a. I just, you know
Speaker 0: Yeah. I need to yeah.
Speaker 1: Just, like, just just if you
Speaker 0: don't mind, just please don't call the cops or
Speaker 4: No. You're good. I
Speaker 0: don't wanna play in the party.
Speaker 1: I have the right to privacy.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, what what I am gonna do because, you know, we are in a public place and this is for safety reasons.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna have the property and tend to be Okay. To record because you have to get permission by the owner of the company.
Speaker 4: Alright. Do y'all wanna stay right here?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You don't wanna stay right here right here?
Speaker 1: Well, I
Speaker 0: I don't wanna bring any customer shit either. You know, we can send the light over there away from everybody. Okay? Okay.
Speaker 1: These people need to leave.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do are we just gonna talk? Can they be at a distance?
Speaker 1: No. I don't care where they're at. I'm not talking. Okay.
Speaker 0: So what's the point of them here? Let let's at least get away from the door so people don't overhear any of this stuff. Come on, Greg.
Speaker 2: You fool.
Speaker 4: If you need anything, like, I'm right here.
Speaker 1: Media stand right here, please. Go ahead. Alright, Greg. Alright. I want witnesses.
Alright. So I get you in the middle of this.
Speaker 0: No. You're good. You're good.
Speaker 1: You're good. This all about because I don't care what they say. The problem is they have no right to record. This is private property.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And they have no right to have recordings because it goes back to even if it is visible, You're not the cops. You're not allowed to record.
Speaker 0: Okay. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how I could take that as a threat.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, that's the point is to
Speaker 1: record me. Okay. Do you want
Speaker 0: them to turn the cameras? Would that make you feel bad?
Speaker 1: I want them to get away from me and get out of my face. Okay.
Speaker 0: So If
Speaker 1: they don't leave, I will I will have to file charges against them.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, you're not gonna call the cops. We know that. So
Speaker 4: because that's what you're doing.
Speaker 0: I I can I look, Greg, I can put them in the car if you do you want would that make you feel more comfortable? Yes. Okay. I'm in the car.
Speaker 1: Alright. So if I put them in the
Speaker 0: car, like, I mean, I wanna have a conversation. I mean, I'll go out of my way to make you feel comfortable because, you know, I I understand. I understand it's all
Speaker 1: a lot. Hey. Around these people you're
Speaker 2: calling. Hey.
Speaker 0: Well, what's your name, man? I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 2: send them
Speaker 1: to the car. Say
Speaker 0: again? Parker. Parker. Okay. I'm gonna go ahead and send them to
Speaker 2: the car.
Speaker 0: You guys just go in the car.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.
Cool.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No problem. No problem.
Speaker 1: Are you a lawyer?
Speaker 0: No. I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, then I don't have to have this conversation
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 0: No. You don't. And I also don't have to have it with you either. So so, basically, I'm I'm only having it with you because I do think you are a good person, and I Yes. Alright.
Walk out of your own gym.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 0: Oh, you're not a member. That's why.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Kenny. Oh, you got those keys. Okay.
Speaker 2: We'll we'll
Speaker 4: be right here, Greg.
Speaker 1: Alright.
Speaker 0: What do you got, Dash?
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm not gonna discuss anything with you because regardless of what this is about, I've never met the people you're talking about.
Speaker 0: Right. And that is why I'm talking to you because And I do
Speaker 1: go near them because if I feel they're gonna entrap me in any shape or form because there's a lot of people that are deceiving online.
Speaker 0: Right. And the fact that there wasn't a meeting and the fact that, you know, there obviously seems to be a line is the reason why I'm actually just taking the time to actually have a conversation with you about it. Because, yeah, if there was a meeting, who knows? Who knows? Right?
I don't know if it would be me talking to you or somebody else or them or whatever. That's why I am talking to you because we are
Speaker 1: Can you can you keep the shorts so so I can get back into my gym?
Speaker 0: Oh, you can do whatever you want, you know. But I'm just letting you know every single thing is saved, and I'm willing to get it addressed. Okay?
Speaker 1: Who's saving it?
Speaker 0: Who's saving it? Yeah. Oh, me. I'm saving everything. Okay.
Why? Why? Well, it seems like there's, some stuff that was said between you and 2 other people. I'm not saying you're the blame. Who am I?
I'm Gordon Flowers.
Speaker 1: Oh, my pleasure. You're here.
Speaker 0: Okay. Totally fine. I'm Gordon Flowers. We have a group called Kid Protectors USA. We should make sure kids don't talk to adults online.
Speaker 1: Okay? Well, why are they online when there's laws against it when I know they don't have any rights? But in so many words, if you're gonna single me out, you gotta understand one thing. Why are the laws there if they don't have any rights to be online? I'm supposed
Speaker 0: to be
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be protected as an adult. Okay? Correct. And if my if I feel in any shape or form, I'm being threatened Right. By you Mhmm.
Okay? You're coming at me about something regardless of what you wanna believe. Right. I don't know who you are. I don't know anything about you.
And regardless of what you know about me, you know nothing.
Speaker 0: No. I know. And, you know, I'm fully willing and
Speaker 1: Because we do have what is called the First Amendment right, which has to agree on the speech. Sure. And it goes back to also fiction. Yeah. So for that, so what you wanna believe, you also can't censor
Speaker 0: me. Yeah. And I'm and I'm fully willing and I fully understand. I'm not like a lot of people that are, like, oh my god. Well, there's these people here, so therefore, you're doing that.
I'm not with that. I don't know why they're online either. That's something I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Well, that
Speaker 1: goes back to the parents Correct. Not, how can I put this? Not protecting the other people because if they're trying to single a person out and do something that's illegal, that's their it's on their end. I agree. Be tried as an adult, but only if they could prove it.
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing nothing with anybody. And the thing is, I also know my shit's been hacked. So you have to prove
Speaker 0: it was me. Okay. Well, I mean, the proof the proof that, you know, y'all were having conversation together is the fact that the phone calls are recorded and, you know, every single message is traced back to an IP address. It always comes back to your phone or your house.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that doesn't matter. You can also trace back all the other IP addresses that hacked in my shit. Okay. Well, I'm not And I could use that against the case.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: Because hacking is also a federal crime, not a state crime. It's a federal crime.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, Greg
Speaker 1: And it's also in the actual state laws.
Speaker 0: Well, Greg, I'm not I'm not doubting maybe you've been hacked before. Okay? I'm just talking about Summer
Speaker 1: and hacked over 5 years.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm
Speaker 0: just talking about Summer and Mandy right now. So I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about people aren't bringing up names because it goes back to privacy.
Speaker 0: Okay. We don't use I'm talking about these 2 girls that were talking to you online.
Speaker 1: And what girls are those? And half of them, like, I've met this one person that said she was 19 years old. It turned out she said she was 28. And then she changed her age to another 46, if not 47. Right.
So how old is this person?
Speaker 0: Summer Mandy?
Speaker 1: No. I mean, how old is that person?
Speaker 0: Oh, that I don't know.
Speaker 1: So can you monitor every person?
Speaker 0: No. Monitor every person?
Speaker 1: This is harassment now.
Speaker 0: It's harassment?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because you're singling me out on purposes of what you're saying. No. No.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. No. No.
If it was about singling someone out that I actually wanted to go after, it wouldn't be me talking to you. Okay? I'm only I'm only talking to you because I really think that you're not like a lot of other people are online. Okay? Yeah.
So I think that there's is actually I mean, would you agree there's actually bad people online? I don't know any
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 0: Okay. But would you agree that they probably exist?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have to send people's character until I get to know them. I'm I'm not gonna judge anybody.
Speaker 0: Do you think the potential exists for there to be bad people online?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to defame anybody's character or slander anybody or even harass them because that is a civil matter.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Either way you look at it, I don't know. I'm not here to age discriminate. And if somebody's on there that's actually saying this and that about me, the point is I didn't do nothing to anybody.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Regardless of whether or not you monitor a person, you also have to understand you can't violate my privacy unless I did something illegal to that person, which I never did.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, obviously, in person, I don't think anything happened. Excuse me. Unless I'm wrong about that.
Speaker 1: The person this tells me right here with what they're telling me that you violate a person's rights by telling a person they can't go to a person by off their free will. Now I'm not saying that's a law. Mhmm. But go back to civil rights where you can't stalk them. And what you're doing right here is actually stalking without an actual court order.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, you're absolutely welcome to call the cops anytime you want, and I'll be happy to have them come here if if that's what you wanna do. That'd be your own prerogative. Okay? So if you ever if you wanna say that I'm stalking you or asking you
Speaker 1: come back to Jim once more about this matter, and it's not done through a legal matter, then it's gonna turn into stalking.
Speaker 0: That's and that's exactly
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Gentlemen that actually are witness to the fact we're having this conversation, that's what this turns into.
Speaker 0: No. No. You're absolutely that's totally fine. You can report me, do whatever you wanna report me to. Okay?
Speaker 1: To report you. I could just have it on file. If these people are witness to the fact that you were here
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: From my own discretion.
Speaker 0: Right. So without naming any names, there were 2 girls who were trying to talk to you online. Why the conversation kinda continued?
Speaker 1: Do you understand what Brad's here?
Speaker 0: I do. I'm just asking why the conversation would
Speaker 1: be Brad's here.
Speaker 0: Okay. That's fine. So I what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna play the phone, record phone calls, and we can just kinda go over them.
Speaker 1: No. Actually, that's stalking. Yeah.
Speaker 0: It wouldn't be stalking.
Speaker 1: Captions? Because you don't have no legal law that says, I actually have violated the law by doing something. I have freedom of speech. I have the right to talk to whoever I want unless I actually did something illegal. I didn't do none to nobody.
And now you're violating my rights by actually stalking me and obsessively by based off of assumptions that are not there.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, it's not it's not assuming when everything is just said right here, man. Okay? So look, Greg. Again, I I understand.
And we probably think we probably align a lot on the constitution and stuff like that. And I think everybody's rights get violated a shit ton by our government. Alright? But this is not one of the times. Alright?
This is something where, you know, your toes got a little bit dipped into some water, and we're trying to probably pull them out. About what? Talking to people that probably is not the most appropriate to talk to.
Speaker 1: About what?
Speaker 0: Well, the message is here. I mean
Speaker 1: The message is so weird. Okay. Is it just the 2 people you talked about with these?
Speaker 0: Is it only just 2? Yeah. It is just those 2 that I wanna talk to you about.
Speaker 1: That this is exactly why I can't talk to them because I can hear them
Speaker 0: Okay. I didn't read everything. There's a lot of messages.
Speaker 1: Well, you need to read off on this, and don't violate my rights by harassing me.
Speaker 2: You don't
Speaker 1: saying no everything. I'm allowed to feel the way I do. Yes.
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm outlandish by this because you're assuming the fame of my character.
Speaker 0: What did I assume?
Speaker 1: By jumping to the conclusion of what you kinda read everything on us.
Speaker 0: What did I assume about
Speaker 1: you? You don't know what? I clearly know. That actually single a personnel, stereo type. Mhmm.
And I jumped to conclusions without knowing the whole facts. Yeah. That's defamation.
Speaker 0: Okay. Greg, the thing is I don't know the whole facts. All I know is some messages that were sent that some people might
Speaker 1: what these messages are about, but I know
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Enough that a a person can monitor their own account. Right. If I have my account.
Speaker 0: So some some might take it as inappropriate about some of the messages. And I'm not even saying that because we're all guys. I mean, fucking Inappropriate? And sexual in nature.
Speaker 1: What is sexual?
Speaker 0: Pictures that were sent.
Speaker 1: What pictures?
Speaker 0: Pictures of diagrams of vaginas and just talking about some stuff that, you know, they want apparently. But that's the thing. So these people were trying to bring you to them. Is that what you're saying? Okay.
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me let me finish my conversation with that. Okay. So you're telling me a medical journal, medical book that has medical stuff about medical
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: That's illegal?
Speaker 0: Is that illegal?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Depending on the context. You know? No.
Speaker 1: It's not. That's medical journal knowledge. That is not illegal because that has to do with the medical board. If that stuff wasn't there, then they wouldn't have it there.
Speaker 0: Well, being that there's 2 people right here, when they close the door, I'll actually talk to you. Okay? Parker Parker, do you mind if I
Speaker 1: just have a
Speaker 0: few with him?
Speaker 2: Let me
Speaker 0: just sit right there.
Speaker 1: I would prefer he'd be out here.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, some of the stuff I I'm gonna ask about, I prefer he wouldn't be out here for your sake. Okay? So look, I'm not only talking about that. I'm talking about porn videos that we're that we're sending them.
Okay? Maybe there's a different intent behind it than what what I can say.
Speaker 1: Of all, I don't know who's behind the account anyways. Okay. Whoever it is, whoever's not, I talk you see, there's billions of people in the world. Okay? Correct.
And regardless who's behind what account, you have to prove who's behind that account. I never proved anything behind any of them. Okay. Because I never went to any of them. Why?
Because right now, I'm going through a very tough time in my life.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: People defamed my character at my company got me fired, terminated me.
Speaker 0: Well, that I I don't think I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 1: Well, I got fraud. Company said I did this to my ex girlfriend, made up all bullshit statements. I wanted to sue. My mom wouldn't let me sue by freaking distracting me.
Speaker 2: Well, I
Speaker 1: I've been going through a mental state. That's a very hard problem, which goes back to death. Can't defame my character with it, but I'm very credible. But in so many words, I know for a fact my rights. I didn't do none to these people or whoever they are.
Unless I see some legitimate evidence that proves they are who they are, I've never seen nothing.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, let's kinda let's kinda backtrack. And, dude, I think I mean, it it seems like life has been rough recently, and I think, look, I'm one of those people. I look at everything fairly. Okay?
Look, just because if there's if there's a hole punch in the listen to me. If there's a hole punch in the wall right there, it doesn't just mean there's a spur spur you're not trying to kill everybody. It could mean, hey. Somebody lost a basketball game. No.
I'm not
Speaker 1: defending my character by DM.
Speaker 0: Right? I'm not defending your character.
Speaker 2: And,
Speaker 1: actually, by talking to me about a matter that has no connection to me. Regardless of what you wanna believe, I don't have to admit to nothing. Even if a lawyer told me not to, but the point is I wanna know where you believe because of these statements
Speaker 2: that
Speaker 1: has to do with me.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be mean to you. I understand what you're trying to say about protecting the children. I know that exists in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Because there is people out there to look out for them. But
Speaker 4: I wanna be famous for me now.
Speaker 2: Y'all would
Speaker 1: have all gotten posted up, by the way.
Speaker 0: What's that? Well, it's busy right now. Every single one of y'all would have gotten done up and posted up.
Speaker 1: Oh, no.
Speaker 0: Alright. Alright. Matters to attend to, folks. Matters to attend to. Yeah.
We can do another Saturday. No. They're not being monitored. Just talking my shit. What were you gonna say?
Sorry.
Speaker 1: You make There'll be people
Speaker 2: I was
Speaker 1: asking, but they know they're being monitored.
Speaker 0: I think, man No. Before that, you were saying something else.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was talking about. Is it the people you're talking about Mhmm. Do they know they're being traced?
Speaker 0: Yes. Yes. They do. Okay. So look.
Obviously, reading through some of the messages, I don't see one side. I don't I don't see, you know, I don't see messages you, you, you, you, or them, them, them, them. I see it both ways, so I
Speaker 1: don't feel Like, a cop would tell me I didn't do nothing illegal. Cop would even tell me that because I've already shown him Texas about this and that. Both parties are talking to each other. Sure. Both parties are also consensually are capable for their own actions and their own statements.
Sure. So when they say wrong to me Mhmm. You don't take that out of context?
Speaker 0: Oh, no. I I don't think they're blameless for anything. I I don't think it's no. Believe me. I don't think it's all you.
I'm not one of those people that does. There are people that can lose their minds over some of these messages. I ain't one of those because, look, there are like you said earlier, I don't think these people should be online. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on a lot
Speaker 1: of things. I'm not I'm not against informing the person of what exists in the world. Sure. But I'm not gonna admit to something you think I did or didn't do. Okay.
Because I have evidence that proves that people have been logged in to my accounts.
Speaker 0: Okay. They actually
Speaker 1: are observing what I'm doing, which means stalking.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, let's start with this. Do you think these girls are trying to trap you or something like that?
Speaker 1: Do I feel it? Yeah. In so many words, I believe it.
Speaker 0: Okay. That these that these girls are trying to trap you?
Speaker 1: I believe they could be.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Because if whoever they talk to that ain't there Mhmm.
Speaker 0: You don't
Speaker 1: know who else they're talking to.
Speaker 0: Were there I mean, are there any other girls around that age that were trying to, like, get at you and try to trap you like that? Or
Speaker 1: I don't know them, and I'm not gonna divulge anybody's information because that's between me and them. And if they do, the point is I'm not contributing to that.
Speaker 0: Say again.
Speaker 1: I'm not contributing to accidental.
Speaker 2: What do
Speaker 0: you mean by that?
Speaker 1: I'm not at liberty to incriminate person just basically if they want to leave.
Speaker 0: Okay. No. I understand.
Speaker 1: They have the right to freely feel the way they do it. Now if their parents are not observing what they're doing
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's their own fault. I'm not blaming the children and I'm not blaming the parents. I'm blaming the society that we grew up in.
Speaker 0: And and this in in this instance right here, is that what you're saying? Any is. Okay. We're talking about this one. Do you still feel the same way about this instance as the parent's fault?
Speaker 1: Do I have anything to worry about for long?
Speaker 2: Do you
Speaker 0: have anything to worry about for long? Yeah. Is there potential there?
Speaker 2: No. They're
Speaker 1: tired of having that.
Speaker 0: I'm just here to talk to you, and I'm willing to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm asking, do I have anything to worry about the law? Woman?
Speaker 0: 26 What do
Speaker 4: you think?
Speaker 1: I'll say no.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, if that's an assumption you wanna make, you're free to make that assumption. That's laughable to me, but, you know, like, I I'm willing I am willing to talk to you about it. But just so you know, I don't have to come here to talk to you. You know that.
Look. Because, again, I don't put the blame on you. I don't put the blame on them. Shit just fucking happened. That's all.
These conversations. And, you know, obviously, I could've printed out 1,000 of papers. You know?
Speaker 1: I already know that people threaten people all the time. And we threaten that against them because they can be trans and adult. Because they regardless how old they are, they can. Okay.
Speaker 0: Where were these?
Speaker 1: Okay. So Because they're also if it's always consensual Mhmm. On their end.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they keep saying, I I can trust them. Yeah. The bottom line is, what is deception?
Speaker 0: Well, the the reason fraud. The reason the reason I'm talking to you is because it looked consensual, and it didn't look like you were forcing anything. It didn't look like they were forcing anything. That's the reason I'm I'm just willing to get it, like, just cleared up with you, man. Okay?
Speaker 1: Because Are you gonna get the long ball done on me? I'm just asking.
Speaker 0: Look. I have no handcuffs. I don't have any handcuffs.
Speaker 1: Are you a cop? I'm not a cop.
Speaker 0: Okay. Okay. But I I'm willing to just go over this with you. I'm willing to squash it. I really am.
I there's I there's there's a lot of opportunities for me to just start reading these. You know that, and I didn't. Okay?
Speaker 1: Well, I also know there's a lot of stalking. And I'm not saying we'll reverse charges, but I'm saying Okay.
Speaker 0: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you right there. We're not gonna play
Speaker 2: that game right now. Okay? Everybody's cleared. We can be a little bit more honest with
Speaker 0: each other now. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna incriminate myself.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. No. No.
If it was about that, I didn't have to come here and talk to you. Every phone call, every message. It's more about, hey. If there's an actual explanation, I'm cool with that. I'm cool with that.
Alright? Because, look, I truly feel
Speaker 2: like this is a rabbit hole that people can be sucked
Speaker 0: into versus malicious. And I don't think you're
Speaker 1: of time. I'm gonna stop
Speaker 0: you right there. We're not gonna play that game either. Okay? We're just gonna talk about we're not gonna play the, oh, the stalking, the entrapment because that's bullshit. We're gonna cut
Speaker 1: this out right there. It's in the law book. I found it. That's fine.
Speaker 0: So anytime you wanna call the cops for entrapment or what I've stalked, you absolutely can. And that's just a.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to get you can laugh at it all you want, but it does exist. It's a law book.
Speaker 0: Okay. Cool.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell you that you don't know your knowledge, but you sound like you're not learning. Well, I'm I'm a lot of things Right
Speaker 0: now, I'm talking about Summer and Mandy. Okay? So I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in names are. I'm not at liberty to talk about names because you're not a captain.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I'm not interested in anything else except for Summer and Mandy. Okay?
Speaker 1: I don't know who these people are again, like I said.
Speaker 0: Okay. The 2 girls that were inviting you to come over, that's who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what you're talking about again.
Speaker 0: You just told me earlier they were trying to invite you over for some shit.
Speaker 1: And I kept the law of fixing it. I don't know what you're talking about. I could say they were trying to invite me and then again, they may not have been.
Speaker 0: Well, the messages actually line up with what you just said, so I know it's not fiction.
Speaker 1: The messages
Speaker 0: The messages are right here.
Speaker 1: Paranoia.
Speaker 0: That's just that's just not gonna work, man.
Speaker 1: That is it's a disorder. Yeah. It goes back to discrimination and, plus, I I understand what the medical
Speaker 4: community is. You gotta get this stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay. You
Speaker 4: gotta get this stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay. Who do you
Speaker 0: go in to get it? Come back out here?
Speaker 1: We can. But I know my mother's gonna wanna know what's going on.
Speaker 0: Is that who you live with?
Speaker 1: I'm not. That's my brother.
Speaker 4: Okay. Just, do you
Speaker 0: it. Alright. Okay. I appreciate I'm I'm talking to a.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because
Speaker 3: she can get in trouble
Speaker 0: for that, Katie. Okay. Cool. Violated the law, but not giving you James, I thought you were 18. I'm sorry.
You're Yeah. I I think this That's crazy. I mean, this this could definitely let him into trouble and, you know, like, I just wanna go over it with him and, you know, because I I can tell he's a little bit I know. He doesn't believe that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But no. He's he's not. I
Speaker 0: Okay. No. Yeah. Is is does he have any guns? No.
Okay.
Speaker 3: He's me. I my husband can't stop. I just want I got rid of
Speaker 0: them. No.
Speaker 3: I didn't want them in the house.
Speaker 0: I don't like them.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. No. I don't want them. He's got pissed off me because he's
Speaker 3: He's got pissed off of me because
Speaker 0: I did get rid
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 0: Oh, shit. Okay.
Speaker 3: I had my reasons.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad I did. I don't care. The family gave him, gave me
Speaker 2: 1 or 2,000 after their
Speaker 0: parents died. Uh-huh. And my mother-in-law.
Speaker 2: My mask and I'm gonna get rid
Speaker 3: of it. Real. It's my pride.
Speaker 1: And it won't
Speaker 3: go because of pride.
Speaker 0: Does he ever snap back into, like, a reasonable state? Like, is he ever
Speaker 2: I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't say nothing.
Speaker 2: Well, like, does he
Speaker 0: ever just say, like, hey, mom, let's go to the movies and he never just snaps back into, like, it. So he's always like this? Yes. He's like. Okay.
He's good to know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I I'm just not that song at the
Speaker 1: same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, if you guys talk to him and try to reason with
Speaker 1: him Sure.
Speaker 2: And just don't get
Speaker 3: this out of text and and and talking to these girl. He thinks that he's there's somebody, it's very
Speaker 0: Right. System. Right.
Speaker 1: Alright. Did you get an electronic subpoena, but full time?
Speaker 0: Did you get an electronic subpoena to pull it?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna
Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you a question. Can you answer?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, how did you get
Speaker 0: Well, your mom is to make. So we'll see you there.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, it is my decision to make
Speaker 2: because I don't have
Speaker 1: to talk. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: It's her decision. So we'll see you there, man.
Speaker 1: Why are you not talking?
Speaker 0: Alright. Well, we'll we're gonna be at your house in probably, probably in, like, 15 minutes. Okay? So like I said, I mean, I'm willing to get this cleared up. If that's not something you wanna do when we get there, it's totally fine.
But, you know, again, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: giving you a I'm giving you a chance. Person or whoever was that that want to know if they know. You can laugh about it. I I read the books. Parents are responsible what they do.
Speaker 0: I agree. No. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: And they are able to be sued about that.
Speaker 0: Alright. Well, I'm gonna like I said, I'm willing
Speaker 1: to go over. Back on the Facebook. If you read the properties and when you become Facebook, for instance, or whoever.
Speaker 0: Okay. I'm not gonna have this conversation with you here. We'll have we can have it later.
Speaker 1: Okay? Because like I
Speaker 0: said, shit doesn't look good. I'm willing to get a talk. I'm willing to talk to you and get it addressed. Okay? So I'm out of here.
See you in a bit.
Speaker 1: We'll talk over there. Okay. I'll see
Speaker 0: you there. Bro, I bro, I couldn't contain myself. Bro, roll out the window.
Speaker 2: Roll out the window. Roll out
Speaker 0: the window. What? What's up? Back. Go in the back seat?
Yeah. Yeah. He said I'm gonna have it will dabble with you outside, but I'm gonna convince him to come in. Bro, he he's What happened? Bro, inside, I was just talking to his mom and he's she's like, he's always like this.
And he and I was telling her what's going on. She said she's like, yeah, you can come over and talk to
Speaker 3: him. And,
Speaker 0: dude, he comes out, like, he's so bent. He's like a little sugarbeach potato head. Oh. And he comes out. He's so cute.
He's like, you know, you can get sued for this. He's like, he he puts a little smile. I'm glad I'm a lot better than you. Yeah, dude. I feel I was looking at you.
He is so fucking funny. Like yeah. Like, I dude, I literally just, like, broke out. I started laughing. He's like, I was like, oh, just like maybe he's like, he's laughing.
Tryna use
Speaker 3: the fact that this place's higher property as, like, some sort of
Speaker 0: reason why Right. Right. I'm gonna go talk to them real quick. Who is that? Might be.
They're calling the Wade. What did you have to head to his house?
Speaker 1: What did you have to
Speaker 0: head to his
Speaker 1: Please leave your
Speaker 0: Here. Yes. Just head to his house.
Speaker 2: This is
Speaker 1: the first house you're gonna send me?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How is this rolling? No.
Alright. Here. You're just holding. Hold the live stream.
Speaker 2: Well,
Speaker 0: Jesus Christ. Well, yeah, that's correct, ma'am. What are you saying? Yeah. We we aren't cops and that's why I think it's very important we do just talk to him about this because Yeah.
Speaker 3: He they just wanna talk to you.
Speaker 0: He just wants to
Speaker 1: talk to you. Between me and you.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: It's gonna stay that way.
Speaker 0: Sure. I'm I'm down with that.
Speaker 1: And nobody needs to be recording in that van from there. I'm not paranoid about it. I'm just saying I know people have electronic devices where they actually record and I have to give them permission. Otherwise, it's illegal.
Speaker 0: Okay. So we're just gonna go to the house and we'll we'll talk about it away from someone else's property?
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you and that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Talk to you.
Speaker 1: We're not doing it in my house because that's private property and the park and I give you permission to be in there and I don't have to live to be in.
Speaker 0: That's fine. Alright. I'm gonna put my phone up in the core then. Okay? Okay.
Oh my god. Here. Here. Roll this down, Connor. Here.
You guys there. Just put that in the middle. Yeah. Take this fucking bag too. Yeah.
Alright. Look. I think there's a massive problem with girls girls online trying to do this to people. Okay? That's I think that's probably the main reason I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. Think my ex girlfriend frame me and get me fired from my job so far, I couldn't get my job back. I mean guys, I'll tell you another reason. Sure. The company also defamed my character with her because I filed agreements against management
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Driving forth. They didn't like it, so they never let it go. Because within my 5th year of actually working at the company, they violate OSHA laws. Yeah. I stood by being on the side of the how the law is supposed to look at things.
Of course. But in so many words, the company still didn't care about if I was right. What So they got rid of me on on purpose.
Speaker 0: What did she try to frame me with?
Speaker 1: Just Same idea violence when I never did it. Oh, god damn it.
Speaker 0: Like no. It's like to her.
Speaker 1: My ex girlfriend.
Speaker 0: Like, she said you beat her up
Speaker 1: or whatever. I have people that are witnesses that know that she's a liar and she makes
Speaker 0: up lies. No. But she accused you of doing that to her pretty much.
Speaker 2: Like, you gave her.
Speaker 1: I never did that to her.
Speaker 0: No. I'm saying she
Speaker 1: no evidence proving it. Oh, no. No. No. Saul deliberately defamed my character to get me fired.
Speaker 0: No. But she was
Speaker 1: Because she wanted me to sue the company Uh-huh.
Speaker 2: Off of
Speaker 1: for money.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. And you didn't do that.
Speaker 1: I didn't do that only because I don't like the law.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to incriminate myself, but I don't agree with the law because the laws are not really on people's side. Especially with OSHA.
Speaker 0: I mean, it's it's crazy. It's
Speaker 1: Well, they violate the laws all the time at UPS.
Speaker 0: Oh, you used to work for UPS?
Speaker 1: I worked there 20 years. Almost got my retirement in at 25. Oh, fuck. Screwed me on it.
Speaker 0: Were you, like, delivery driver? Or
Speaker 1: No. I wanna talk a little bit more about this.
Speaker 0: Okay. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying it's wrong what happened.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: It's wrong. Everybody wants to believe I have I've been single out all my life by females.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And this isn't the first.
Speaker 2: And this is
Speaker 1: gonna be the last. Okay?
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Her parents are responsible if she is the age she says she is or she's not. I don't know how old the damn person is. Okay? Right. And I don't know if who I was talking to or who I wasn't talking to.
Sure. In regards to what that says, I talked to a 1000000 people. Right. K? So I don't know who you're talking.
Well I know a few women Mhmm. Throughout my life that have the name, what you said.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of women have the name that on the other name. So unless you can define, like I'm not trying to be mean to you, but I still know that freedom of speech, regardless of whether or not you got an electronic subpoena as a citizen, I also know a subpoena can be thrown out.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: So well, obviously, this wasn't because I have it right here. So Well,
Speaker 1: I've never sealed a subpoena. You didn't show me it.
Speaker 0: Well, that's not something that I bring. It's just
Speaker 1: Well, you have to show the person. Otherwise, it does go back to the violation of rights. Okay.
Speaker 0: Well, if you ever wanna report me or charge me for that, you absolutely can. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna report anything.
Speaker 0: Okay. Alright.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not the kind of person to do that to somebody because I wanna ruin your life anymore
Speaker 2: than I
Speaker 0: I don't wanna ruin your life.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to hurt you. And I'm not trying to hurt you.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make it yeah. I'm not trying to do anything. What you're trying to tell me.
Speaker 0: I understand what you're trying to tell me.
Speaker 1: But I know I've been extremely singled out. That's why I don't even
Speaker 0: talk And I and I know and I know you've been extremely singled out. So that's why let's just clear this up so there's no more of these bullshit accusations or any allegations.
Speaker 1: Gonna keep going. Okay. Well And the reason why I'm saying it is because I know females.
Speaker 0: Okay. Yes.
Speaker 1: If they already started, I learned from my past. Yes. It never ends.
Speaker 0: Yes. No. I agree. It never ends.
Speaker 2: And I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be mean. I'm not trying
Speaker 0: to get aggressive. I don't want you
Speaker 1: to think I'm gonna lash out at you, to defame my character, Sam. I'll beat the crap out of you. I'm not gonna No.
Speaker 0: No. I don't want you to think I'm gonna be defame your character, beat the crap out
Speaker 1: out of you.
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Doing that. I'm not doing that to you. I'm just telling you, I can't prove a 100% that was me. Okay. I'm just saying it.
I know you Well electronic said it all I went back to that address.
Speaker 0: Well, this is what I like.
Speaker 1: This is
Speaker 0: what I like here. You said and this is something that nobody else in this situation would say except for you. And this is what I appreciate. Their parents may be more responsible for anybody on this type on the end of any of these types of messages. And the fact that you went out of your way to say that, it shows me that you are not a bad person and that you actually have your shit together.
And I appreciate the shit out of that. Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: So but let's I wanna kinda piece together what happened. I talked to them. I wanna talk to you. Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh, you can't talk to them.
Speaker 0: Well I
Speaker 1: don't know who you talked to. And and
Speaker 0: Mandy and Summer. Okay?
Speaker 1: In regards to what they tell you, remember this about women. And I've learned this over the years I've learned. Uh-huh. Women know how to deceive men. Yes.
Big time. Absolutely. Know how to make up false allegations about people too. Mhmm. Let me clarify on something.
My mom I was supposed to inherit my dad's Corvette. My dad told me when he was, I would never get screwed out
Speaker 0: of him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also see his guns and everything. K? They were passed down to the family. Probably never did use them on anybody because Sure. Sure.
I've been waiting to buy a freaking 2 barrel, shotgun Yeah. Someday as a custom customized to my liking just to put on on the wall. Never buy ammunition for it. Just to have it on the wall.
Speaker 0: Just to Yeah. Just like cosmetic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because I just like the looks
Speaker 0: of it. Of course. Yeah. No. It's
Speaker 1: great. But that's all it would be
Speaker 0: for. Yeah. No problem.
Speaker 1: But that's the whole problem is everybody seems to wanna just fame my character and slander me and single me out.
Speaker 0: And try to call you violent for that and stuff like that?
Speaker 1: Oh, they just wanna say, oh, I'm gonna do this and that to whoever.
Speaker 0: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna do nothing to anybody because the fact is I have the right to speak, and I can get angry again. And sound violent because I know there's a long verbal assault.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the problem is that's a criminal law now.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: That's not in that's uncivil. Okay? So the bottom line is regardless how somebody else looks at what you say, you still have to go back to freedom
Speaker 0: of speech. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And regards to what a person sends as a video or a picture or god knows what. Okay? At the end of the day, somebody wants to get you to come to them, to trap you, put you in prison.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. Will you fall for I'd hope not. If you're smart, if you wouldn't. Yeah. I would hope I am, you know.
Speaker 1: But what man is?
Speaker 0: Right. So look There's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that feed into their desires.
Speaker 2: For
Speaker 1: sure. And them them sick bastards Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Right. And that's the difference.
Speaker 1: So if they act on what they say, then they got something to worry about.
Speaker 0: Right. So, Greg, this is my thing, man. Yeah. I mean, like, the fact that you said the parents should be responsible, that means the absolute world to me. And
Speaker 1: Well, they're responsible because they're only supposed to be 18 and over to be on Facebook. Mhmm. Nobody on Facebook should be on Facebook unless they're actually over the age of 18 because the laws apply to the adults, not the kids. Right. And regards how old the kid is Mhmm.
The parents are completely responsible because they gave them permission to be on Facebook. Mhmm. And they're responsible by law because they're supposed to also parent them.
Speaker 0: Oh, a 100%.
Speaker 1: They they are not pairing them right. No. They're trying to single a man out because they heard all their friends tell them, well, this guy is a pedophile. Yeah. Well, define that.
Okay. You believe what you believe because of stereotypes that are all over the world, especially the girls that are friends with other females.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And the girls definitely play into getting older men and all that shit.
Speaker 1: And they'll do that to entrap
Speaker 3: the person
Speaker 1: because the law of entrapment does apply.
Speaker 0: So, let
Speaker 1: me tell you with law enforcement.
Speaker 0: Sure. And so let me let me let me tell you, very good very good knowledge knowing that. Smart dude. Let me tell you. Yeah.
Do you think I told you I talked to someone, man. Do you remember I told you that a couple minutes ago? You told me that?
Speaker 1: I'm not getting that tonight.
Speaker 2: K.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I'm not here to incriminate myself. Okay. Regardless of who you are. Okay.
Speaker 0: But do you remember me telling you that I talked to them a few minutes ago? That I talked to them?
Speaker 1: I have no idea if you're talking to.
Speaker 0: That's fine. I don't follow people's business because
Speaker 1: it goes back to I'm not stalking you. So I can't confirm. I've been lied to, deceived by other people, and I'm not gonna sit here and attract myself just because I'm not Well, I'm not asking you to I'm not trying to say you are. I'm just telling you how I have common sense Yeah. When it it comes down to my constitutional rights.
Speaker 0: I'm gonna ask you to interrupt yourself. Okay? I am literally just saying that I absolutely understand if I just took him at their word, we'd be look we could potentially be looking at a different night tonight, but I didn't do that because I understand
Speaker 1: how you're doing. My witness because I can't drive without her around because I have to get her because I don't have a vehicle.
Speaker 0: Okay. Okay. So I Well, let me
Speaker 1: put it like this. Can I have a vehicle, but I don't have to tell nobody whether or not I have or have it because I do have privacy?
Speaker 0: Absolutely. And I respect your privacy. I respect your rights. But, look, I understand females are deceptive. So every time these people have fucked you over in your life, I get it, man.
Speaker 1: Just just talk past that. Okay?
Speaker 0: What's your name?
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. Mhmm. We already talked
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: I just told you as reference. I didn't want it to be read into this conversation about that.
Speaker 0: Okay. But I'm just saying, you know, female nature is female nature. That's not gonna change. You know that. So
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I've had difficulty trying to find a wife. Mhmm. Because every time I meet a new woman Yeah. She tries to deceive me and fuck me over and put me in prison or destroy me like if somebody was actually hacking into my phone and listening to my conversations right now with you.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's possible or unrealistic, but I've already talked to a prime minister and they told me flat out.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It is possible.
Speaker 1: Right. And, you know, money to do it or they have people that know how to hack into the device to listen.
Speaker 0: Look. And I'm willing dude, I'm willing I'm willing to truly get this cleared up and whatever misconceptions they're trying to put on you, I'm willing to I'm willing to truly just hear you out and just say, hey, man, these people are up to no good. Whatever. You just said some fucking shit because of first amendment. Okay?
I'm willing to hear that. But we're not gonna operate under the assumption that, oh, I don't know who these people are. You know, I'm the wrong person for this. Out of all the people who have judged you in life and have just said, oh, he's just and that, writing you off immediately. I'm not the one, man.
I'm not the one. So let's just we're we're gonna operate on this conversation under the basic truth that Mandy and Summer talked to you. They were hitting you up online, this type of stuff. Did you say some shit back? Yeah.
You fucking did. You did. Did. Whatever. Who cares?
Okay. I'm more concerned about, yeah, why they're online in the first place? Why their parents aren't monitoring them? I mean, is there anything about it they told
Speaker 1: you? Question. Sure. Kids these days, they don't have no rights. Right?
No. K. Why the parents log in to her account and watch him on the inside?
Speaker 0: Log in to whose account?
Speaker 1: Charles' account.
Speaker 0: No. No. Log in to whose account? Because because I'm not I'm not talking to hypotheticals with you right now. I'm logged in to who's I was talking about the
Speaker 1: And they saw what's going
Speaker 0: on. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Why didn't they stop what's going on before it led led to this?
Speaker 0: I I I'm with you. I'm
Speaker 2: with you. So why
Speaker 1: isn't the parent monitoring what the kid's doing? Why am I having this conversation
Speaker 0: I I agree. Should be
Speaker 1: the one responsible for not monitoring their kid.
Speaker 0: It's terrible parenting. It's terrible parenting. What do you think the parent should have monitored with the kid?
Speaker 1: Or, oh, you know what? The law. No.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. No. We're talking about property.
We're talking about Summer and Mandy right now.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about property. Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I'm not talking about that with you.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the parents again because the parents are the ones that are responsible for those kids.
Speaker 0: But I'm I'm talking about Summer and Mandy right now. So we're not gonna refer to them as those kids because we're not writing them off as pieces.
Speaker 2: How old
Speaker 1: they are. I don't know what they are. I don't know what they look like. I have no idea.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, they sent you pictures.
Speaker 1: K? Pictures of what?
Speaker 0: Their face.
Speaker 1: No. I have no idea if they're that that's whoever.
Speaker 0: K.
Speaker 1: Because let me put it like this. There was an account. I don't wanna say anybody's name. And then later on, the account changed to a different person's name. It ended up being another person that was actually not that person.
It was a guy, but it actually had pictures of a girl.
Speaker 0: That's you know, that and that's but whatever happened with that, I'm only talking about someone who may be right now.
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's go back to that because that reflects a part
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: Right. So until you can prove who's behind that account, which I never been able to prove
Speaker 0: Well, which account? Summers or Mandy? Anybody's account.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. No. I'm not I'm
Speaker 0: not talking about hypotheticals with you right now.
Speaker 1: That's not fair.
Speaker 0: I'm not talking about in generalities. Okay? I look. Facebook sucks. I'm talking about Summer and Mandy right now.
So if you're not interested
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about
Speaker 0: it. Okay.
Speaker 1: I just know what you're telling me.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, let's start with this. Where were they trying to bring you to?
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 0: What country was it they were trying to bring you to?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Okay. Because I know people lie all the time on Facebook about their location just like this woman tried to tell me she lived in New York Mhmm. But said she also lived in Idaho.
Speaker 0: Okay. So where were Summer and Mandy claiming they were from?
Speaker 2: I have
Speaker 3: no idea.
Speaker 0: What are they what what
Speaker 1: what look they did they give you? No clue where they're from.
Speaker 0: K. What city did they give you?
Speaker 1: I don't know how to hack. I don't know how to pinpoint a picture off of a person to pull evidence back that shows their IP address. What city did
Speaker 0: they type they were from?
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, you know, I'm I'm cool with talking about laws with you. I'm not gonna talk to a liar. So if you just wanna be stone faced lie myself
Speaker 1: Stop lying to me.
Speaker 0: If you wanna lie in my face
Speaker 1: lying to me. No. I have credibility. I have letters of people who know I'm honest. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 0: If you wanna lie to my face
Speaker 1: my character now. I'm not. Guys, you know what's going on with my phone. Why don't you talk to the people that are listening right now?
Speaker 0: If you wanna lie to my face, I'm not interested in your
Speaker 1: I'm not lying to nobody. I'm telling you the truth, sir. I don't know who you are. You didn't show me a badge. You didn't show me nothing.
You didn't show anything that shows you're a law enforcement agent.
Speaker 0: I'm not.
Speaker 1: All I'm doing is being singled out by somebody.
Speaker 0: I understand. Facebook. So if you if you wanna help me if you wanna help me unsingle you out, you can. But if we're just gonna pretend that, oh, they said something, they didn't say something, well, that's with anybody, then I'm not interested in helping you out here. Okay?
I'm only gonna help out people who wanna be helped. Alright? And if you're not gonna be one of those people because every time, it's just, well, that's everybody.
Speaker 2: Oh, I
Speaker 0: don't know what you're talking about. Every time because I I had a good view of you as a hardworking constitutional scholar. I I assume we have the same views. Did you get vaccinated, by the
Speaker 1: way? I don't have time for the HIPAA business.
Speaker 0: Good. Well, I think we have the same views on that, Thanos.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just telling you, I don't have to tell you anything.
Speaker 0: You don't have to tell me you don't have to tell me shit, but I also don't have to help you out with anything. And you don't have
Speaker 1: to lie to me.
Speaker 0: I'm not lying to you. So every single time there is a brick every I came here with the intent that you I thought of you as big brick wall, you know, as somebody who's high and grand, is actually a good person. Every time you talk in this bullshit, oh, I don't know. Well, who who said that? I don't know what they said.
A brick is removed, and your reputation to me, I ain't defaming you. This is you doing it to yourself. I ain't
Speaker 1: defaming you.
Speaker 0: Your reputation
Speaker 1: That right there is manipulation.
Speaker 0: You are destroying yourself. 1 01. No. Every time you are you are tearing down a brick to make me think, you know what? You know what?
This is just crap. I don't care about this.
Speaker 1: Manipulation. Trying to twist what you believe is there to manipulate it on me by saying I'm a liar when I'm not. I'm an honest person, and I'm not gonna sit here and incriminate myself to face off what you wanna believe.
Speaker 0: But he didn't break any laws here, I thought. If he and what's there to incriminate if he didn't break any laws? What's there to incriminate that? There
Speaker 1: is nothing. Okay. That's why this conversation shouldn't be taking place. Because the parents are responsible with anybody that is a kid that is online.
Speaker 0: Well, yeah. I agree the parents should be responsible. But if you're not gonna help me understand what these two crazy ass females try to do to you, maybe I'll just take their word for it. What word is that? Their word?
Well, their word is that you were sending them porn videos, that you were telling them that you wanna take their virginity, that you were telling them you want a dog to fuck them, all of this crazy shit. And you know what? Oh, I can prove beyond, did I see you with a camera in your house you typing that stuff? No. But can I prove beyond a reasonable doubt?
Absolutely. Because I have the phone calls, and I have everything. So if you just wanna pretend it didn't happen, that's on you, man. That's on you. Because it's it's their word, it's your word, or whatever.
But right now right now it's no. No. No. No. I'm gonna cut you off right there.
Right now it's no word from you. So all I got is their word and these messages and pretty it looks pretty damn true to me. So I think that kind of I think it kind of oversteps the first amendment for being honest because we're dealing with harmful material to a minor. We're dealing with solicitation and all of that. And if that's something that you wanna just not give a word on, oh, that's cool with me, man.
Look. If you just thought this is first amendment, maybe so. Maybe so.
Speaker 1: You know what solicitation is. Right?
Speaker 0: Online solicitation of a minor.
Speaker 1: No. Online solicitation of an adult is also a felony against them.
Speaker 0: That's not a real law.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's in the books. No. It's not.
Speaker 2: It's about
Speaker 1: retaliation. Mhmm. I know what you're trying to get at. No. I know what you're trying to do because you're trying to hear No.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. It's their word versus no words from you. And you know what?
I came here because, yeah, I've been fucked fucked over by females too, man. I've been fucked over by females. I get it, dude.
Speaker 1: I get it. You don't like me, do you?
Speaker 0: I don't not like you.
Speaker 1: Do okay. But you're tagged
Speaker 0: your word
Speaker 3: is what you're tag Do
Speaker 0: you understand that the amount of patience that I have I have endless patience more than you do. I promise you. The amount of patience that I have means I do like you because I we need more people like you who actually understand their rights and all this type of stuff. That part I respect the shit out of, but there's a difference between knowing your rights and just being a flat out just bullshitter. Okay?
A bullshitter. Then don't
Speaker 1: be. Don't say those things without defamation again.
Speaker 0: Okay. If you're if you're not a bullshitter, then don't be a bullshitter. Why were you saying this stuff to them? Let's start with that if you're not a bullshitter. Why did that happen?
Why why why did the conversation continue with them? Let's start with that. Did you read everything? I read the the stuff
Speaker 1: that they said. Everything.
Speaker 0: Did I read everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Nope. So maybe you can fill in the blanks before I read thousands of pages thousands of pages of messages.
Speaker 1: Me about what you said I did? Why'd you read everything?
Speaker 0: Well, I heard the phone call, you know.
Speaker 1: I have this I also know how people could read something on Facebook, and if someone would believe in their defense that that person really did that. Because somebody's on OnlyFans, which is also a form of prostitution.
Speaker 0: Oh, I don't agree with OnlyFans.
Speaker 1: And they are prostitutes.
Speaker 0: But do do you do you do you agree that
Speaker 1: They condone solicitation of, sexual material, which also violates indecent of the indecent law.
Speaker 2: That has
Speaker 1: to do with part of the privacy law.
Speaker 0: Okay. All I'm asking is there are some stuff said. Is some of the first amendment? Sure. Can some of it be taken as an overstep of that?
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So I'm just asking why it happened. Okay? Because I don't think you're a bad person.
But if it's just gonna be, oh, I don't know what you're talking about. This and that. I hope
Speaker 1: that Reason I'm not gonna discuss things because it goes back to even if you got a subpoena for a, electronic device, at the end
Speaker 2: of the
Speaker 1: day, subpoenas can also be thrown out, and I know that.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to Well, yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. Well, that's fine. Unless unless I get a true explanation, I'm willing to just walk away right now and end this.
I am. You know? And that's totally fine. I'm willing to just walk away and end this right now. Okay?
And you can go your way. I'll go my way, but I promise you. Okay? It's their word. Right now, all I got is their word.
Okay? I'm not saying, obviously, if you're not you're not where they are right now, and that
Speaker 1: speaks worry about whoever. So I'm not a stock or I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I'm talking about Summer and Mandy right now. Okay?
Speaker 1: They're blowing whatever it is you believe out of proportion.
Speaker 0: K. What are they blowing out of proportion then? Because If you
Speaker 1: read all this, you would know.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I have this right here. I really wanna do every fetish I'm into. You have no idea how much I would love watching you fucking dog cock and he comes in your pussy. I would I would love that I would love that if you did that someday for me.
I'm a 100% serious. I can't wait till I build my $100,000,000 cost custom mansion. I just wanted to tell you. I'm gonna know
Speaker 1: if I'm not even happy.
Speaker 0: And let you know and let you know it's gonna be awesome. So That's fiction. That's fiction. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because the only way a person could build a house of that caliber is if they have the money. I don't have the money right now.
Speaker 0: K. So why are you trying to say you have a $100,000,000?
Speaker 1: I have fiction. It's called part of your first amendment rights. I can say whatever I want.
Speaker 0: So you're trying to chalk up. Are you saying a $100,000,000 as your first amendment right? That's the that's what you're saying that was?
Speaker 1: Not deceiving. That has to do with I have the right to elaborate on something that I could dream of.
Speaker 0: Did you really think that you saying a $100,000,000 was your first amendment right when you said that? Did you really think that? Truly, did you did you think that was your First Amendment right to say that to to them? Did you do you really believe that? I'm I'm it's an honest question.
Do you really think that was your First Amendment right to say that?
Speaker 1: Do you know what freedom of speech is?
Speaker 0: Oh, I do. But I also know about lying. Okay?
Speaker 1: It's not lying.
Speaker 0: So do you have a $100,000,000?
Speaker 1: I'd like to have it or don't have
Speaker 0: it. Okay.
Speaker 1: The bottom line is I could dream or anybody can dream about wanting to do that. That's not illegal to fantasize. When I was a kid, they told me that you can actually make anything up in the story.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I'm asking you, what about you saying I'm gonna build a $100,000,000 house? What what about that to you was your first middle right when you said that? What about
Speaker 1: that was Whether or not a person gets with me or not, that's their decision. I'm not gonna sit there and hold them to it yet until we were together.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And when I can come up with the money to do what I want in life, that's my decision. Now I could have a dream. That doesn't mean it's fiction and it doesn't mean it's a lie. It could be whenever it happens. There's no date on that.
Speaker 0: Okay. So that's how you're trying to justify this message? Truly, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a date. There's no date. There's no time away.
Speaker 0: Okay. But is that, do you think that just I'm
Speaker 1: asking you a question.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. I'm asking you a question.
Speaker 1: You obviously wanna incriminate. You wanna put me in prison. How is
Speaker 0: this incriminating you? I'm asking
Speaker 1: about everything else you think I would do
Speaker 0: to them. Okay. Well, if you gave someone a $100,000,000 house, I I think I I I think you would probably do whatever you want with them if they're living out
Speaker 1: last week. It goes back to fact, I can't do nothing with them until they're 18 anyways.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: If they were if they were legally the age they say they are, I have no idea how I feel about doing something like that with them anyways.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: But I know it's illegal in this country to do that to a woman anyways.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I know the law against it. That's why I would never do that.
Speaker 0: Okay. So now we both know that you said those messages then. Okay.
Speaker 1: What messages?
Speaker 0: Oh, the $100,000,000 thing.
Speaker 1: No. No. You wanna incriminate me to get me say something to admit to
Speaker 0: my No. You already admitted to it. No. I didn't. Oh, absolutely.
No. You didn't. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: No. You didn't. So That's fiction.
Speaker 0: What? The $100,000,000 thing was fiction?
Speaker 1: All I did was talk about something that you were talking about. And you think I said that?
Speaker 0: That you said $100,000,000?
Speaker 1: I can talk about whatever I want. I got paranoid.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, you know, now that I do have confirmation that you said the $100,000,000 thing
Speaker 1: You don't have any confirmation.
Speaker 0: Oh, I do. No.
Speaker 2: You don't?
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. I do.
Speaker 1: But with who?
Speaker 0: With me. Oh, with myself. I'm my witness. Yeah. Well, not only am I the witness, I also have the messages backing up to your phone number.
So No. You don't. Yeah. I do. Yeah.
I do. The 419 number. I do.
Speaker 1: Put me in prison?
Speaker 0: If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't be here talking to you. The reason I asked you that, so you can admit to writing the messages.
Speaker 1: I'm not into nothing because I'm not in a courtroom.
Speaker 0: Okay. The reason I'm asking that so you can say that you wrote this message and
Speaker 1: I can say that
Speaker 0: all records, I guess, I'll be You set it off record. You set it off record. We'll stick with that. That's totally fine. You set it off record, and you said you said they're not 18 anyway.
Okay. I don't
Speaker 1: know how old they are. I could assume they're 18. I could assume they're I don't know.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, how old
Speaker 1: how old did they
Speaker 0: say they were? How old did they say they were? They never said. Yes. They did.
Speaker 1: No. They
Speaker 0: So what did if you said they were incorrect
Speaker 1: Because I don't believe what they're saying. Because I know how females deceive and
Speaker 0: they lie. I'm not I'm not I'm I'm not even saying the AJ said was right. I'm just saying how old did they tell you they were.
Speaker 1: I don't know how
Speaker 0: old. I'm willing to end this right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old they are. I'm being honest.
Speaker 0: How much how how old did they claim they were then? Let's start with that.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I I don't know how old they are.
Speaker 0: How old did they claim they were? I don't know. Okay. Well, I'm not I'm not gonna go off that. I'm willing to I'm willing
Speaker 2: to says, we're
Speaker 1: gonna scream a speech too.
Speaker 0: I'm not saying we're going off that. I'm just saying what did they claim they were. If you're an honest guy, let's hear it.
Speaker 1: I don't. That has no new to honesty.
Speaker 0: Oh, absolutely. You know? No.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. You know? Because that's the part of incrimination is trying to get a person to admit
Speaker 2: to to what
Speaker 1: But if they're but
Speaker 0: if they're not really if they're not really that age, then they don't
Speaker 2: how old
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 0: Okay. Good. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that lie online about how old they are.
Speaker 0: Okay. Did you did you assume that they were the age they said they were?
Speaker 1: I have no idea how old they are.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you really don't know? I
Speaker 2: don't know
Speaker 1: how old anybody is online.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Are you sure? No. I talked to women that said they're 19 years old. Uh-huh. I've talked to women
Speaker 0: 6. Greg, all I'm interested in right now is what they what what do they claim they were? Because they told me in person they were a certain age. Okay? And if they claim something different, well, that falls on them.
So how would they claim they were? Because this is about saving your ass right now. How would they claim they were?
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 0: Oh, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
Speaker 0: Oh, you know. Because I
Speaker 1: don't have that kind of memory. I just remember everything.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 0: Oh, no. No. No. You're signing off all these penal codes of the laws. You know.
So I'm I'm only interested right now in what they told you they were because I'm trying to match it up with what I'm trying to match it up with what they told me they were. So I'm Why is agent porn? When it comes to sending porn videos and saying, oh, I want a dog to fuck you, that's why it's important.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you want me in prison just for that.
Speaker 0: I want you in prison just for that. You understand I didn't have to come here, and I could've just taken their word for it. You understand that. Right? You understand I didn't have to come here and talk to you?
If it was about that, I wouldn't be the one talking to you. If okay. So how did they how did they claim they were? Because they claimed something
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Don't have a case. That's why you came here. Oh, no. No.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. Based on their word and these messages and the phone calls, oh, there's a case. There's a case alright.
But you know what? I'm willing to unwind this with you because, yeah, it seems that he knows that fucked you over. And I don't trust them, to be honest with you. I really don't. Okay?
But if if if this is gonna be a brick wall, what choice do they happen to trust them? They have to be right if you're not telling me anything different. You know? So how old do they claim they were to you?
Speaker 2: I have
Speaker 1: no idea how old they are. I never met anybody online.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old they are. I'm not going to go off what somebody else might have said.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. No. No.
No. We ain't we ain't talking with might have. Okay? If you didn't confirm it, fair enough. Okay?
Maybe that can excuse everything else.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 0: What what did they say they were?
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna repeat anything a person tells me.
Speaker 0: It's time to repeat it right now.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's not.
Speaker 0: What did they claim they were? I don't
Speaker 1: have to repeat nothing.
Speaker 0: You know, I'm willing to I'm willing to stop talking to you right now and write all this off. I really am. Okay? I am just asking, what did they claim they were?
Speaker 1: Back a little bit because I feel a little bit
Speaker 0: That's fine. Take your time. All I'm interested in is the truth. Okay? But if I ain't gonna hear it from you, I'll just assume that Summer and Mandy told me the truth.
Speaker 1: Why does the age matter?
Speaker 0: Why does the age matter? Do you think sending this to a 5 year old would have been appropriate?
Speaker 1: I have no idea how old anybody is online. Okay. Do you understand what I'm trying to tell you on
Speaker 0: that? Yes. I do understand that.
Speaker 1: And just because all about racism, about age. So unless I can prove who's behind the account let's just just go back to the one statement like I said about parents. Okay? So if the person is the age you say they are,
Speaker 2: it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're telling me. And so many words
Speaker 0: How old did I tell you they were?
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I don't recall.
Speaker 0: I didn't say anything. Right.
Speaker 1: But either way, regardless of age or not Mhmm. The bottom line is, and this is what it really comes down to,
Speaker 2: there's a
Speaker 1: lot of racism that has to do with age discrimination. Now if I actually did something illegal with their age or whoever's age or whatever person I talk to. The thing is I'd like to know who. Okay. I know what people are trying to do here, and this this is awesome.
Speaker 0: I am I am going to tell you what they told me when you tell me what they told you.
Speaker 1: I already know it. I can't trust people. A lot of my lines. This is exactly what
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 0: And you know what? If it turns out they're stone cold liars of your age is different from what they told me, then damn. Then you know what? Maybe may then maybe it's maybe I gotta go talk to them again. And maybe I just gotta forget about your end of this.
But, you know, that's not something that I'm that's not something that I feel needs to be done unless we get to the unless we get to the truth about what they were telling you. Because, look, I I I know these girls. They like to fuck with guys online. I know it, man. I know it.
And that's why I'm still trying to convince you and tell you this is could be happening to you.
Speaker 1: Sounds like they're trying to come to prison.
Speaker 0: So how do they claim they were to you?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna say age unless I can actually vouch for the fact how old they are, which I don't have any proof or evidence to prove it. And regards to what people say on Facebook, it still goes back to whether or not you could prove what's gets said.
Speaker 0: Well, we've
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to mean you. I know you don't like hearing what I have to say. I understand the thing I'm a freaking idiot about this.
Speaker 0: You're not an idiot.
Speaker 1: But I either way, I'm not a liar.
Speaker 0: An idiot about your own sake. That's for sure.
Speaker 1: No. Because I do have privacy. And if somebody says, I got an electronic subpoena, well, in regards to what you saw, what you read, the point is at the end of the day, I'm not gonna incriminate myself.
Speaker 0: Well, you well, you know what? You know what? You you said they're not 18 yet. I can't do that with them anyway. I'll just take I'll just I'll just take that.
Yes.
Speaker 1: 18 means I don't know how old they are. That means if I was there to see them, regardless of assumption, I wouldn't deal with them until we're married. That's what I mean by that.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, you just told me that you said why are their parents watching them, and they're not 18 yet. So that's enough for me to understand that you knew they're underage.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how old they are. The reason why I'm saying I don't know how no.
Speaker 0: Miss me with that shit, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know because I'm
Speaker 0: not interested in hearing anything but the truth. If you're not gonna tell me the truth, I don't wanna hear ask
Speaker 1: you a question.
Speaker 0: I don't wanna if it's not gonna be truthful, I don't wanna hear it. You can ask me, but I would
Speaker 2: I would
Speaker 1: with my mom. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 0: You do.
Speaker 1: How old do you think I am? 48. I'm whatever age you wanna believe. Anyways, the thing is I live with my mother. Uh-huh.
Doesn't matter how old you are. They can live with their parents too. I have no idea who's responsible for that.
Speaker 0: We're not playing those games right now. We're not playing those games right now.
Speaker 1: A game.
Speaker 0: It's No. No. No. No. We're not playing those games right now.
How old did they tell you they were?
Speaker 3: I have no idea how old they are.
Speaker 0: I know you don't know how old they are.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old they are.
Speaker 2: How old
Speaker 0: did they claim they were to you? I'm trying to help you out with this because they told me an age that I'm not necessarily sure I believe. And if they told you something different, well, I think this gets turned around for you a lot quicker, truly.
Speaker 3: I have no idea out there because I can't confirm it. I never met Okay.
Speaker 1: What When I need my meat, there's 20 different females I talked to. Yes. If not more than you.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: K. So to confirm how old these people are, I have to be a witness and talk to them in person, which I never have.
Speaker 0: Why not? Why don't you go meet them?
Speaker 1: Do you understand a cop could be sitting around the corner and and put me in jail?
Speaker 0: Oh, really? So are these, like, hookers or something or what?
Speaker 1: No. Were Mandy were
Speaker 0: Mandy and Summer Hookers? Were they, like, talking to? Or
Speaker 1: anybody that is a female that wants to entrap a man and put him in jail because they go to them. They can put them in jail in prison and say you are stalking me. You are, basically making me fear for my life because the fact is you we believe you're gonna do something to me. And they can make anything Oh, no. No.
I mean, I mean,
Speaker 0: were were were they asking you for money to have sex with them? Were they asking you for that or not?
Speaker 1: I don't know why you bring stuff up like that.
Speaker 0: I'm asking you. Were they asking that or not? Were they asking that or not? Were they were they charging you money for anything?
Speaker 1: Did you read all the texts?
Speaker 0: Yes. I did, actually. I did. Since you don't wanna help me fill in, I read fucking everything from a to z two times, then I skimmed through it a third. I read everything.
Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, regardless of what got said, I can't recall everything that gets said between Okay. Thousands of people.
Speaker 2: Well, let
Speaker 0: me let me ask you this. Did you ever pay the money for anything? Pay for what? Did you pay Mandy and, Summer for any favors or anything like that?
Speaker 1: Anybody online for anything.
Speaker 0: Did you pay them for any favors?
Speaker 1: For what? Why? That's solicitation.
Speaker 0: Okay. So did you pay them for any favors?
Speaker 1: Did you hear what I said? It's solicitation.
Speaker 0: K. So did you do it? Did you do it? Did you pay them
Speaker 2: or not?
Speaker 0: What? Did you pay them and did you transfer them any money for anything? Did you or not?
Speaker 1: I don't have to discuss this because this
Speaker 0: You know what? You're right. You don't have to discuss it. And you know what? If you wanna walk away and don't discuss it again, I'm gonna laugh my ass off at what you just did.
Okay? Why?
Speaker 1: Because you're intimidating me?
Speaker 0: Intimidating me what?
Speaker 1: Insulting me? Coming up next to me like this? Oh, no. No. Close to me?
Speaker 0: No. Yes. You are. No. I'm just gonna laugh.
Speaker 1: No. You're laughing because you think I'm stupid enough to call for your mental abuse.
Speaker 0: I'm just gonna laugh.
Speaker 1: But that's I've been around enough people that do that to me just like the company I worked for. No. Get in my face, harass me, tell me I'm this and that, belittle me just like anybody in the world could belittle me.
Speaker 0: Not belittling you. You're belittling yourself right now.
Speaker 1: That's right there. That's psychology, what you just did. No. That's narcissistic manipulation. Yes.
It is. Because you don't read psychology books.
Speaker 0: Well, you obviously don't read some of the law, and that's totally fine with me. And, you know what, I'm I'm gonna back away. Seems like you didn't pay them for anything. So if you wanted to go meet them, you said, I don't want a cop coming to our entrap me or anything.
Speaker 1: I don't go
Speaker 0: to the police. Do cops arrest people for meeting people over 18?
Speaker 1: Yeah. In what ways? Because if that person feels that person's a threat, in regards to what the text message got said Uh-huh. The person and I'm saying in regards with anybody I text.
Speaker 0: Anybody. Well, this isn't prostitution. Did you even pay them? There's no threats made between any of you guys. So your your your ass just said that a cop could entrap you if you wanted to meet him.
Your ass knew they were underage.
Speaker 1: Well, regardless of how old a person is, even if they're 30 years old, they can trap me and put them in jail.
Speaker 0: No. Unless it's prostitution. No. You can't just go meet somebody. Neither.
No. You can't. There's no instance of that happening.
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 0: No. So your ass knew they were underage.
Speaker 1: No. I'm not saying nothing about age. Because like I told you before Yeah. No. I didn't.
I live with my mother, and we're on the age I am. I'm not gonna assume somebody online how old they are anymore than just because they a person can say, I live with my parents or their aunt or their sister or their brother or whoever. At the end of the day, I don't know how old anybody is.
Speaker 0: Why why was it said so, again, it was said here. Senior, you have no idea how much I would love watching you fucking dog cock and it comes in your pussy.
Speaker 3: That's disgusting.
Speaker 0: Why'd you say it? I don't I mean
Speaker 1: I mean, what you're saying is disgusting over here.
Speaker 0: This is what you wrote.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they write anything like that.
Speaker 0: It's right before the million the 10 the $100,000,000 house message. So there's a lot of sexual stuff I will introduce to.
Speaker 1: Seriously, don't because I don't go back and remember everything I talk about.
Speaker 0: Here was a video of a of a lady fingering herself sent to them. K? Here it was said, when you guys come, I'm gonna tie you guys up and and have my way with you. And here we said, you guys are gonna be my little puppy dogs. I'm gonna have the time of my life with you.
Speaker 1: That's a trap.
Speaker 0: What is?
Speaker 1: What you just said.
Speaker 0: Well, how's entrapment?
Speaker 1: Because you're making stuff up.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You see when I read messages that you didn't say?
Speaker 1: Fuck. Let me answer this.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: you right there. No. Let me talk, please.
Speaker 0: I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: you right there.
Speaker 0: Speak. I'm gonna stop you right there. No. Yeah. When I started when I started when I started when I started reading mess When I started reading messages that you didn't say, you said that's entrapment.
You're trying to set me up. When I was reading messages you did say, you just sat there and didn't say
Speaker 1: shit. Because I didn't have to say shit. I have to I have
Speaker 0: to No. When there when there's actually stuff said that's untrue, you start defending yourself.
Speaker 1: I talk to a lot
Speaker 0: of people. Oh, I ain't trying
Speaker 2: to
Speaker 0: hear that shit. I talk to a lot of people. When there is stuff that is said that's not true, you start defending yourself. See. When there's stuff that is true, you just don't say anything or you deflect and
Speaker 1: You're trying to read my psychology.
Speaker 0: Well, I already read it. I already read it. Your ass got caught. I give you props for getting me and stuff. You gotta give me props for getting you and stuff.
Speaker 1: What stuff's that?
Speaker 0: Oh, the psych the reactions to true messages or to untrue messages?
Speaker 1: Because I read what the law says. No. I ain't trying to hear that. I ain't trying to hear that. It's what's in psychology books about how cops actually defer a person based off their behavior.
Mhmm. I know.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You're asked about cop just now. No. I didn't. Oh, you did?
No.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 0: Oh, you did.
Speaker 1: No. I didn't. Because psychology also tells you that a person can also say certain things, and they have to incriminate them in the courtroom. I know you're gonna say your word matters, and I understand that. But I also know I could retaliate with other things.
Speaker 0: You have nothing on this? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But but you you really believe I would just let myself be entrapped on something that's Even if I didn't do it even if you wanna believe I did something just because I retaliated against the same. I have to see how you do it.
Speaker 0: You know, Greg
Speaker 1: I know you don't like me, and I know that you think I'm guilty of something. So that's fine.
Speaker 0: You know, I
Speaker 1: Put me in jail.
Speaker 2: Put me
Speaker 1: in prison. That's okay.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: That would have like, every other one other women that fucking been doing this shit to me since I was a kid.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 0: I don't think it's fair what these women have done to you.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 0: And I I don't dislike you. I just dislike how we're just not fully honest about everything. That's all.
Speaker 1: I'm not
Speaker 0: lying. You're leaving out a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't have to talk about a lot of things.
Speaker 0: You ever heard the phrase lying by omission?
Speaker 1: No. I'm not lying. Because I don't have to talk about certain things. It goes back to incriminating a person.
Speaker 0: Oh, it's not incriminating.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, if a person admitted something that they didn't say or do talk about or don't talk about it, you're still gonna basically, that's part of psychology of trying to manipulate a person
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Into believing they're still guilty of something when they're not. It's called admission of guilt.
Speaker 0: Oh, well, you're not I'm not saying you're guilty or not guilty. All I know is they sent you message. You sent them messages. Some of them could be could have been taken as a little bit risque or a little bit sexual. That's all.
And, you know, maybe a lot of people, including I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna see it for ruining this.
Speaker 0: Do you think you should?
Speaker 1: No. Because I didn't do nothing to nobody, and I never went near anybody. And there's a lot of women online that want me to come to them, and I won't.
Speaker 0: Guy, and I agree with you on that. You know why I won't?
Speaker 1: Because, like I said before, they can entrap me. Get caught there, sitting there waiting for me. And why can they do that?
Speaker 2: Because they
Speaker 0: won't, man.
Speaker 1: Because they could feel scared and
Speaker 0: threatened. No.
Speaker 1: Just and I don't have to say nothing wrong. I can say everything nice to them. Be the nicest guy in the world. Yep. Plight and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they can still twist it. Okay.
Speaker 0: But, Greg, I'm just gonna tell you, man. That's not what happened here. You know that. That's not what happened here. I already
Speaker 1: know what you want me to want to do to me after the night. Because this is before Christmas. It doesn't matter. My dad died.
Speaker 2: Well, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
Speaker 0: So you're just gonna give up and you're just gonna give up now and just accept this? Yeah. Yeah. That's fine.
Speaker 1: Because I might as I might as well kill myself after everybody that does this stuff because nobody gives a about me and you don't care and you never will.
Speaker 0: You know you know, Greg, I do give a fuck, but you are burning every single bridge. You're It's
Speaker 1: not lying. I am your bridge. I am My dad died the morning after Christmas.
Speaker 0: And it's not fair. It's not fair.
Speaker 1: And I had to fucking
Speaker 0: It's not it's not fair what's happened to you. But right now, I am your bridge to get out of this shit. And you are burning the bridge right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 0: You don't determine what burns the bridge. I'm the fucking wood. You have the match.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you.
Speaker 0: You can't determine what burns the
Speaker 1: Then I told you about parents.
Speaker 0: I agree. And I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Phone is that?
Speaker 0: Of? Their this is the parent's phone.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: And I and you know this
Speaker 1: is the parent's phone. It's supposed to be their account.
Speaker 0: You are in a losing battle right now. And I am telling you, you are in a snake you are in a pit bull alligators. I'm throwing you the rope. Every single deflection I just play something. Out of bullshit I hear, that rope gets higher and
Speaker 1: higher. Answer your question. Who are
Speaker 0: your little stumpy hands or out of reach? Rigid. Whose phone is it? It doesn't matter. It's the person who's texting.
Speaker 1: To the property law.
Speaker 0: The rope just got even a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: No. It doesn't. I trust. No.
Speaker 2: No. No.
Speaker 1: No. No. My phone was my mother's phone. She would be irresponsible if I do something illegal. You don't But in so many words, she's also responsible for that.
Speaker 0: Not determine the how how much the bridge burns or how much the rope burns. If you wanna burn this bridge right here, that's totally fine with me. Okay? It ain't it ain't it ain't my ass that's fucking said all this shit.
Speaker 1: Said what? That's why they want to record?
Speaker 0: The dog fucking well, you can you can face away from it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't like the cold. I have thyroid. Sorry. But I have medical reasons that why I'm plus my legs are hurting from standing out here.
Speaker 0: Oh, you gotta go to the gym more.
Speaker 1: No. That ain't the reason.
Speaker 0: Greg, I I understand guys have fucked you over over and over again. Girls will fuck you over. Don't be there. Don't let it happen again right here with this shit. I'm willing to put this shit away if we could just be honest.
Can I do you want me to put these away? I'll put them away. I'll rip these up right in front of you. But I want it I want an honest Greg. I don't want this deflecting Greg.
I don't want this bullshit, Greg. It's just me and you right now. Okay?
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 1: just ripped it up.
Speaker 0: I'm a You want them yourself?
Speaker 1: I could take them off your heads if you want me to.
Speaker 0: Do you wanna rip it up? I'll rip it up. Here. Take it out of it. We'll rip it up together.
Speaker 1: If by law, I have the right to that information anyways.
Speaker 0: Alright. We're gonna rip it up right now.
Speaker 1: But it's not the point.
Speaker 0: Okay. Yeah. I owe it to
Speaker 1: That's destroying evidence, you know that, if there was evidence.
Speaker 0: There's evidence. You know that.
Speaker 1: Still have a copy. I think I'm stupid that I was born yesterday.
Speaker 0: Of course, I can just put another copy out. You know that.
Speaker 1: I know you do.
Speaker 0: I don't have another copy on me. No. But you haven't.
Speaker 1: You have it on your own. Of course.
Speaker 0: Of course, I do. But I'm willing to throw this trash away right now. I'm willing to not use it.
Speaker 1: I'm willing electronic information still there.
Speaker 0: It is. It's always gonna be there. It's gonna be there. It's gonna be there. If nothing happens, it's gonna be there.
If the FBI shows up here right now, it's gonna be there no matter what. That never goes away. Okay? But I'm willing to put this away. I'm willing to just talk to you honestly.
Okay? Look, I'm willing to be honest with you if you're honest with me. But we can't do this deflection. I get you paranoid. I understand, man.
I understand.
Speaker 1: You know what discrimination is? It's a felony.
Speaker 0: I get it.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to discriminate against a person that could have a mental disability.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I get it. I'm just gonna put these right here in this bush. I'll I'll pick them up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's
Speaker 1: not right to also entrap a person by trying to say they're liars when they're not. But I'm not gonna sit here and tell them all what I know or what I don't know because it doesn't help the situation.
Speaker 0: No. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: Because either way, you wanna believe on your side just like they wanna believe on their side. That's why I don't go to females because I've been taught by well, not taught. I've been told by plenty of men, and this is the truth. Women could basically put a man in prison just going to them.
Speaker 0: Greg, if I wanted to believe what they said, I wouldn't stand here this long talking to you. You know that. Okay. I ain't OSHA. I ain't your old employer.
I'm not UPS. You know, funny to have my uncle work for FedEx. It's just a sad thing. Probably would've been there. I don't even know who you really are.
Bored with flowers.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I don't see my documentation.
Speaker 2: I don't
Speaker 0: have my ID on me. It's in the car. So You mean you have a badge?
Speaker 2: I don't
Speaker 0: have a badge. Okay. Okay. But I
Speaker 1: My question is this. Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: Okay. After tonight, when we don't talk anymore Mhmm. Is this gonna go to court or am I gonna worry about something?
Speaker 0: Well, you know Because I'm just I'm just asking you as
Speaker 1: an honest person to another person.
Speaker 0: If I tell you, are we gonna be honest with each other? Yeah. If I tell you, are we gonna be honest with each other?
Speaker 1: I I've been honest. I'm just telling you I don't have to talk about certain things, and I don't I have the right to.
Speaker 0: You have the right. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I don't have
Speaker 0: And I also have the right to divulge as little information as I wanted to, but I wanna be transparent with you, but you're not being transparent with me.
Speaker 1: I know that you have me recorded to this,
Speaker 0: and it's illegal. We're not wiretapping your phone.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe you're not somebody else, can see.
Speaker 0: I'm not. Nobody is. So look.
Speaker 1: Well, somebody could. If they were. I'm saying if they were,
Speaker 0: it's possible.
Speaker 2: I I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say who.
Speaker 0: I suppose it is. Sure. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm asking.
Speaker 0: Well, do do you want me to answer your question now?
Speaker 1: Yes. You can answer. Okay.
Speaker 0: Do you have anything to worry about after tonight? Well, I think that's up to you, truly. Because, you know, talking about laws, I know the laws. I ain't gonna blackmail you one way or the other. I'm not gonna say I'm gonna call anybody.
I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna call anybody. I'm just gonna say there's a reason I'm standing out with you this far, and if it was really about pinning anything on you, I could've done that already. We did that before I even came here. So I hope you understand that. I understand your mom's getting old.
You gotta take of her. You love her to death. I know she's a woman, but you love her to death. Okay?
Speaker 1: I love my mother as much as I love the fact that she did what she did to me. Okay.
Speaker 2: But
Speaker 1: in so many words, I don't love her the way you think I love her.
Speaker 0: She's your family, and
Speaker 1: I get that. No. You don't know my family. That's where our privacy comes in again. You don't know my business.
Speaker 0: Okay. Regardless
Speaker 1: of what you wanna believe, don't assume
Speaker 2: that, please.
Speaker 0: Okay. Okay. That's fine. Well, look. I think I think you're a good enough person.
I don't think you're evil. I don't think you're a monster. Okay?
Speaker 1: I can be as evil as I wanna be if I want
Speaker 2: to be,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. Right. Right.
Speaker 0: And I am fully aware of that. And if I thought you were evil, I wouldn't take the time to talk to you. Okay?
Speaker 1: Well, you would have to capture and arrest me. That's what we would have done.
Speaker 0: I mean, you're a smart guy. So
Speaker 1: Well, if you had enough evidence to get me on something, then yes. You would.
Speaker 0: Well, that that's not what determines, anything here.
Speaker 1: Well, because technically, those are more criminal. They're more civil.
Speaker 0: That's not what determines anything, Greg. Okay? That's whether you said nothing or everything, that doesn't determine anything. Okay? Not with me.
So so I'm just, let's just have some honesty here. Okay? And by honesty, I ain't I mean transparency. Okay? I answered your question.
I'm gonna ask you to kind of clarify some of mine. Okay? Let's start with this if you're willing to. If you're if you're not willing to, I I think I I think we're probably good here, and, you know, I'll just I'll just, you know, I'll figure some shit out. I'm sure.
Figure what up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm always gonna ask is because you already believe what you're gonna do. Even if I get you to understand that a person could be trying to deceive you, it doesn't really matter because you're still looking at what you're looking at.
Speaker 0: Well, one, if if if you claim to not remember that AJ said, well, how what's the deception there? I don't I don't get it. If you're not gonna let you give
Speaker 1: me any details or to nothing Okay. Unless I could prove something.
Speaker 0: Right. So so Greg just
Speaker 1: for that's why freedom of speech has to do with fiction.
Speaker 0: So Greg
Speaker 1: Unless I can prove it
Speaker 0: to you in words okay.
Speaker 1: Greg. Don't call me that, please.
Speaker 2: What do you
Speaker 0: want me to call you? Hound?
Speaker 1: No. Just call me whatever. The thing is the point is you still got proof who's behind what, but it it doesn't matter either way you want. That that
Speaker 0: research that research was done before I came here. Okay?
Speaker 2: Well,
Speaker 1: that's why you guys think.
Speaker 0: I don't think what I think. I'm asking you to clarify what I could maybe think based on other people's words.
Speaker 2: You have to
Speaker 1: clarify because otherwise, it'd be incriminate.
Speaker 2: You see?
Speaker 0: You know what? You don't have to clarify shit. That's right. Good on you. Good on you to not clarify anything.
That's a very smart decision. Oh, yeah. That's a good one there. Yeah. Don't clarify it because, you know, if you don't wanna clarify it, I'll just have your messages for clarification.
Cool with me, man. I I ripped them up because I just wanna talk to you man to man. But if we're still gonna do this deflection, brick wall shit, that's cool. Because I can do mental jujitsu just like you can. I can do verbal jujitsu just like you can.
We're both fat. We'd probably do sumo wrestling in real life. But we can I can
Speaker 1: muscle, but that's okay?
Speaker 0: We both have bellies.
Speaker 1: I'm not forgetting that.
Speaker 0: Okay. We we can do we we can do that. We can do the mental jiu jitsu all day. It doesn't matter to me. Because I don't like doing that.
I'd rather just talk man to man. If if if these girls were trying to if you really think these girls were trying fuck you over and do some shit, that's that's truly an explanation that doesn't always make sense, but maybe in this case, it might. I don't know. I don't know. So what hap just what happened during this whole thing with Summer, Mandy?
Like, what what the fuck just happened here?
Speaker 1: The reason why I say that is because I don't know what's going on in somebody else's head that you already talked to. So if you let them deceive you, that's fine. I'm not gonna repeat whatever gets discussed between me and another person because that does go back to price. And I don't have even if you got a subpoena for whatever purpose, I know that if people are trying to get information out of me because they don't know how to do stuff with I'm talking about anybody I could talk to. Because I talked to a lot of people about the law.
So the thing is, regardless what another person wants to believe, either way, I already
Speaker 0: Oh, that's fine. That's fine. You you you don't care.
Speaker 1: No. I do care. Mm-mm. Yes. I do.
That's what we were
Speaker 2: on. Mm-mm.
Speaker 1: I I cared about my dad dying, but he did die. But I I can't stop it because the doctors convinced me in so many words that they wanted him the plug to be pulled because he was filled up with fluid. And I had to play in that role in this situation, and I had to make the harshest decision I've ever made in my life.
Speaker 0: You know, the
Speaker 2: yeah.
Speaker 1: It is And the thing is I'm not trying to tell you to feel to feel sorry for me, Eric. But I have to live with that every day to the day I die. Yeah. And whenever that deciding that day comes is my decision. And knowing the fact that my cousin also committed suicide, I'm not trying to bring up stuff to make you feel bad.
My cousin decided to commit suicide on his own behalf. I don't know why he did it. I don't know what his reasons are. I had no control of that. Mhmm.
Just like when people do the things they do to me, I don't have no control of
Speaker 0: that. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Because they put me in these situations. Right. Just like a person who pulled me in court and say this and that about me. But in so many words, I don't know everything about the law. I know a lot about the law, but I don't know everything.
And I'm not gonna say I know everything about the law. Because that'd be basically me being ignorant and stupid on my part.
Speaker 0: Well, do do you think those traumatic events happening could have led to maybe this online stuff happening?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you gearing towards if you don't mind me asking?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like, basically, do you do you think that maybe, like, your your father, like, pulling the plug on your father and your cousin committing suicide and, you know, losing your job. Do you do you think that maybe put you in a in a No.
Speaker 1: I lost my job because I dated a girl that worked at the company. And the company was adamant to try to get rid of me either way. They were adamant. And even even if I dated her or not, they're gonna find some other way of getting rid of me.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, do you think maybe the all those events could have led to just being chronically online and just kinda will go and willy nilly with these people online?
Speaker 1: Which ones?
Speaker 0: Mandy and Summer.
Speaker 1: Oh, I talked to a lot of other people. And in regards to who those people are, I have no idea. I know a girl way back when I was in my twenties that her name was Summer too.
Speaker 0: K. I'm talking about Mandy and Summer that were happening yesterday, today, day before, last couple of months. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about it. I only know what you've been telling me and what you believe is there. So that's all I know.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, the people online that represented themselves, Mandy and Summer, I'm asking, do you think maybe those events could have led to you saying she otherwise couldn't wouldn't have said?
Speaker 1: I don't really have to talk discussing
Speaker 0: You don't. But maybe but you know what? But maybe maybe an explanation to some of this could could actually help out.
Speaker 1: What explanation?
Speaker 0: An explanation to why some of this I know the wall was set.
Speaker 1: Things black and white a lot of times. You don't look at the feelings of another person.
Speaker 0: They don't
Speaker 1: care if they put them in prison Yeah. On false reasons. They don't care if the person might not be in the right state of mind on some levels and so so many words. And and I
Speaker 0: you know? And, Greg, you're right. I it doesn't look at them that way, but I do. I do. And I hate the law.
You know? Because I I take into considerations more things than a lot of people would. You know? Every single person in that could read these messages and just think the worst. But, you know, they don't know that you had to pull the plug on your father in a tough decision.
They don't know your cousin committed suicide. They don't know all these men this mental state of mind that that all that stuff puts you in. They don't know that.
Speaker 1: Plus, I got abused when I was a kid from other people that made up stories and tried to get me in fights. They wanted to get me to fight them, and I always refused because I I refused to go after them. And that's not fair.
Speaker 2: And then
Speaker 1: there's another gentleman that went after a female that I liked and I want. And in so many words, he basically those guys that I thought were my friends for 32 years,
Speaker 0: deceive me. And that's and that and, you know, that could put
Speaker 1: somebody people in the world like that to do that every day.
Speaker 0: And that could put somebody in a terrible state of mind. But I'm I'm just asking
Speaker 1: Well, regardless of how I deal with my feelings and how I deal with my mental state, that's my decision. Okay. But at the end of the day, regardless of how evil people are, and I've learned this throughout the years I've I've gotten older. Mhmm. People can be evil, and people can do things that hurt people and not ruin people.
Speaker 0: Right. And I don't think you're trying to do that with anybody. But look, Greg, I'm just trying to find the explanation to why this stuff was said. Okay? If it was truly a bad state of mind and truly some traumatic events, that's more explainable than that's more that's a lot more explainable than, you know, I'm just a dirty old man and I just did some shit.
Speaker 1: Well, let me put like this. I was told by the mental hospital I was in told me I was considered incompetent.
Speaker 0: Okay. I don't know. Thanks for telling me that. Okay. I understand.
Speaker 1: But I'm confident enough to live on my own.
Speaker 0: Sure. But for other thing, I I I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: But either way, even if somebody deceives me or tries to entrap me or even tries to ruin my life with whatever statements or try to get me to do things Mhmm. To try to coax a person into doing something.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: That's also a form
Speaker 0: of fraud. And it very well may be, but I wasn't the one messaging you. No. I wasn't the one. So I so that's why I have
Speaker 1: guys tried to say before, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm not trying to make bad blood between us.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm trying
Speaker 1: to save it back to, like, if that whoever owns that phone, they're responsible. I agree. Regardless who texts who, that other party shouldn't have never had that phone.
Speaker 0: I and I agree with you on that. But
Speaker 2: I'm not
Speaker 1: how you're looking at it. I understand that because I'm I I know what the law would say and how they would look at it.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: But I also know what you're probably gonna do to me.
Speaker 0: I have no intention. If I wanted to screw you over, I wouldn't have just come to the gym and said, hey, bro. Let's just have a talk. So I'm just looking for an explanation to why yeah. You to why you said what you said.
Is it because they were trying to deceive you? Is it because of this or that? I've that's what I'm looking for. Because I'm just gonna be honest, the whole thing about dogs dogs and all of that, it it doesn't look great to a lot of people. To me, I just look at it as like, oh my gosh.
There has to be something odd. Animatronic dogs are. Right? What? Sorry.
What? Animatronic dogs. No. What's that?
Speaker 1: It's a artificial creature that's not actually an animal.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: And, you know, there's all kinds of stuff that people can create, latex and make it look real. It's not real.
Speaker 0: So why are you telling me this?
Speaker 1: Because it exists. It's called CGI. We do it all the time. Okay. Somebody might think that's real.
It's not.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Without without proof of evidence of the fact of what a person says, you still gotta prove that that person's intentions are the truth by actual in some new words. Not making them a liar Mhmm. But still the back of fiction. The thing is you have to prove with some form of evidence that person's gonna do that.
Speaker 0: Okay. I and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: But the message is Otherwise, you're defaming the person's character. Sure.
Speaker 0: So the message the messages look like just blatant beastiality. They do. If there's an look at
Speaker 1: it, but it doesn't mean it
Speaker 0: is. Okay. So what's your explanation? What is it then?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's how you look at it. That's how I'm saying I'm not agreeing with you. I'm just telling
Speaker 2: you how
Speaker 1: a person can look at it.
Speaker 0: Okay. No. No. No. That's how that's how the messages can look.
And, you know, if there is there another explanation that you have for why for those messages? Because I'm willing to hear it. That's what exactly why I'm asking you.
Speaker 1: Because let me ask you this. If somebody else on the other party brought the thing up, I don't work on them.
Speaker 0: Did they?
Speaker 1: No. You're telling me.
Speaker 0: No. They did not.
Speaker 1: So Well, that's where people deceive us. They don't tell you the whole story. Okay. Now whether or not that did happen or not, you have to be there to witness. Greg, I am interested
Speaker 0: in right now, I'm interested in the
Speaker 2: explanation for why those messages
Speaker 1: were sent to someone at the end.
Speaker 0: Okay? I have no idea. Like,
Speaker 1: game. Okay? I have no idea. Like I said, I'm not trying to sit here and have myself go to court and go to jail or go to prison for something that everybody wants to believe. I'm not gonna incriminate myself to you anymore than somebody else.
Speaker 0: So but but, but this is what I don't understand. The messages can't be worse than your explanation.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not I'm sorry. The messages the your explanation can't be worse than the messages. You know, I an explanation that you may not agree with. One way or the other, it just means more a lot.
Speaker 0: If I if I'm not gonna agree with it, I'll let you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't have to explain. Collective to stroke my ego to get me to say stuff that, basically, what it is. My my, Mike's, in so many words, union leader did that to me.
Speaker 0: Well, I'm not a union leader, sir.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you are. I'm saying anybody else in the world can do the same. Okay. I'm not trying to single anybody out.
Speaker 2: I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say you did this. I don't know if you're a hacker.
Speaker 0: It's not. I am a fucking hacker. So, Greg, look. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you are.
Speaker 0: Oh, I'm not. So, Greg, look. It's either I go off the explanation of the messages. I either go off that or it's just like, I wanna dog. I didn't hear anything about electro whatever dog you said, electromagnetic, whatever the heck you called it.
Speaker 1: Animatronic.
Speaker 0: Animatronic. I didn't see anything about that messages. I either go off that explanation or if you have a better one which truly could unwind a lot of things, I think, then then I can hear it from you. But that's cool. I can always just go off the messages.
It's not like I have to be here right now, nor do you. So is there a do you I mean, I'm not gonna That
Speaker 1: sounds like incrimination there.
Speaker 0: What's the incrimination there?
Speaker 1: Because you're trying to go off what you see, but without understanding that you'd be deceived.
Speaker 0: But if you're not gonna explain why it's
Speaker 1: the same I have to explain it.
Speaker 0: You're right. You don't. So then I'm just gonna go off that.
Speaker 1: No. Because you're Oh, yes.
Speaker 0: Oh, yes. If there is no you're not giving me a reason to not go off that. You're not giving me a reason. There's no good reason. Hey.
If there's true if you were truly just bullshitting fucking around, then, you know, that's something that could be a little bit believable. I don't know. But if there's truly just no explanation, then, yeah, just go off that shit. Because right now, the only explanation I have is that. That's all I got right now.
And I ripped it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you got the. Yeah. Because you already have a
Speaker 0: new computer system. It's a it it's a it's a thing. It's an act of good faith to you.
Speaker 1: Faith is hot. That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you because I know how you supposed to lie to
Speaker 2: me. Okay.
Speaker 1: Tell me this is how I look at. Oh, this word says this.
Speaker 0: Well, do you have a better explanation for those messages than what the messages say, or should I just take it at face value?
Speaker 1: What face value?
Speaker 2: What it
Speaker 0: says in the messages.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just asking what's face value to you.
Speaker 0: Face value is I read the message. I take it all literally.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Is there a better explanation for that? Or
Speaker 1: did I incriminate myself on it. I mean, now that what you believe What law
Speaker 0: well, basically If
Speaker 1: I have let's say my let's say as an example, I showed you in court. Mhmm. And in so many words, I have a bunch of logins that show people logging in. How do I know you're not on those?
Speaker 0: Oh, I'm not. I'm just not. I just don't do that. So but let let
Speaker 1: me ask this too.
Speaker 0: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: So if a if a bunch of people were doing that, how do you know it's me?
Speaker 0: We're doing what?
Speaker 1: Texting another person.
Speaker 0: Texting another person?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How do you know it's me?
Speaker 0: Well, because the phone calls back it up. Just the voice the voice stuff and then,
Speaker 2: you know
Speaker 1: person could talk. That doesn't mean they couldn't actually use the voice synthesizer to actually mask that person's voice.
Speaker 0: I'm not interested in that hearing that excuse.
Speaker 1: Because I no. It's not an excuse. It goes back to also making sure the recordings actually prove the person actually was the one behind it without Yeah. Actually looking into that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Greg, I'm not interested in hearing that right now. Just I'm just being honest with you there, man. I'm not interested in hearing that.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 0: So, look, by face value, I mean, it says, I want a doggy to fuck you. And, And, again, everybody has their fetishes. Alright? I've been defeat. You know?
I didn't say that. You didn't hear that.
Speaker 1: I don't need to know about your personal life or your private
Speaker 0: life. Okay.
Speaker 1: No offense. I don't need to know if it's truth or a lie. I just don't need to know.
Speaker 0: Okay. I hear you, man. But I I read, I wanna marry you, and I wanna introduce you to sex. I read that. Okay.
I'm taking that literally. Cool with me. I see a video a porn video sent to them. I'll take it literally. That's what the messages say.
Basically, I'm talking to you because if we want to unwind some of that and say, hey. I didn't actually mean this or I did mean this, cool with me regardless. Cool with me. Because I don't think you are a bad person who's malicious. And I think but I sometimes do think that non malicious people fall onto the wrong side of the law.
I do. We see it happen. You see it happen. We're getting fired. Don't think that was a law thing, but I'm saying, you know, you're getting, you know Actually, I got a legally fired.
Speaker 1: Okay. Because I tried telling my union leader about the fact about the disorder that harbors that I had Okay. And to get my job back while I was going through the process.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: The union and the company both defamed my character Right. And then on top of that, they discriminated against my
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, that seems like a good example of a good person falling on the wrong side of the law. So, if that's something that could potentially happen again,
Speaker 1: Well, it can happen well, it happened before that. Okay. It goes back to people defending my character every time. Okay.
Speaker 0: Well
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not trying to sit here and justify something you wanna believe. I don't know what's all in that. So regardless of what you wanna believe, I can go back to even the phone calls. Okay? Well, at the end of the day, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and have a dispute with you about whether or not this is right and that is wrong or this is wrong and this is right.
I mean, at the end of the day, we could talk all night long about this and try to come to a solution. But at the end of the day, I know how the the law if I knew anything about the law, which I do quite a bit Mhmm. How they would look at that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And I am the law, and I'm and I'm willing to look at it a different way than literally what's on paper.
Speaker 1: Right. You would probably put me in prison because that's what you would think. Not because I'm being heartless and an asshole, but the point is at the end of the day, I might as well just go kill myself tonight
Speaker 0: because Nope. Nope. Nope.
Speaker 1: Everybody feels that's what I should do because every time I'm trying to
Speaker 0: Did I say you should kill yourself?
Speaker 1: No. You don't have to.
Speaker 2: K.
Speaker 0: I don't think that. You could
Speaker 1: probably call the fucking psych ward and say he deserves it. No. No. No. I'm not hating.
Speaker 0: Why are you doing that shit? So, look, the law can look at it one way. Other people can look at this one way. I'm just here to talk to you about it to because I'm willing to look at it other ways. But if you're not gonna give me another way to look at it, then they're shrewd.
Why should I look at it another way? Because I'm meeting you halfway right here, and you made me move just an inch. Okay? So if you're not willing to meet me halfway to actually figure this out, then, Greg, I don't think we should. I really don't.
Like, I'm willing to just go end this conversation. That's fine, dude.
Speaker 2: You're trying
Speaker 1: to see me
Speaker 2: and and try.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put that in there, but I'm just trying to say it because of how I see it. Okay. But I'm not trying to try to amplify the situation because even if I tell you this or that, the point is I'm not trying to incriminate myself. I'm just trying to tell you because I do know what the 4th minute right is has to price. I know everything about it, but I know enough about it that I don't in so many words, regardless of what another person says, I still have to admit.
Regardless of what text message, phone calls, whatever. At the end of the day, and this is the truth, I know Christmas is coming. And regardless how you feel about me or how you look at me at this point in time.
Speaker 2: Time Mhmm. You can
Speaker 1: leave here and you think the worst of me even if I don't tell you this or that. Because regardless I tell you an explanation, at the end of the day, you could forget about the explanation and still look at that
Speaker 0: black and white. Mhmm.
Speaker 2: If I was
Speaker 0: here to forget about the explanation, I wouldn't be this long out here this long talking to you. Okay? Greg, I'm really trying to help you out here when nobody else what. Nobody else has before. If anybody else was asking about these messages, the last thing they would have on their mind is help and actually say, hey.
This is this could be taken out of context. That's the last thing they would say. And you know that, man. Okay? You know that.
I know you don't wanna I know you don't wanna shake my hand. I wanna I wanna
Speaker 2: shake yours.
Speaker 1: You're a very smart man.
Speaker 0: You are too.
Speaker 1: I don't wanna shake. Sorry.
Speaker 0: I know you don't.
Speaker 1: Because of all this reason is why I don't wanna shake. Because either way I look at I don't have to be mad at you or angry at you.
Speaker 0: I'm not mad at you either.
Speaker 1: But either way, at the end of the day, I'm not a sicko. But you can call me that because what do you believe there?
Speaker 0: Did I call you a sicko?
Speaker 1: Not yet. But in your own mind, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 0: No. I'm not calling you a sicko in your own mind.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to assume it either because that's the whole thing. I'm not I can't.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Don't assume about me either.
Speaker 1: I'm not assuming. But the point is all I'm the reason why I'm saying that is because how other people sometimes they look at things. They portray things.
Speaker 0: And they could look at that and take it another way. And that's But they could also look at my messages to my girlfriend and think the same thing too. They could do the same thing. Question. Sure.
Speaker 1: If I did that to another woman Mhmm. How would she do it?
Speaker 0: Depends if she likes it or not.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. It's illegal.
Speaker 0: What's illegal?
Speaker 1: And we're trying dogs. They're illegal? Well, in so many words, illegal all of a sudden, it could be. You can make a fake dog and basically replicate an actual animal.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: But is that illegal for them to have sex with that?
Speaker 0: I wouldn't believe so. No.
Speaker 1: No. Because it's not illegal. But the point is, how would a person know it's illegal or illegal? How would a person know with what person says, does that make it illegal or not if it is beastialic or not?
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, did you mean an electro an animatronic dog in that? Truly. I mean
Speaker 1: I can talk about anything. Bottom line is what I'm trying to get at is that regards to who talks about whatever. I don't know who talked about that. Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna admit to anything. Well, then
Speaker 0: what you what you do? You already have said that. You sent some messages. You already said
Speaker 1: No. I'm just saying as a hypothetical statement, Taurus.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I told you I ain't talking hypotheticals right now. Okay. Okay. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna stick to reality facts just like you if you like to bring up the law, I like to bring up factual things that are real.
If you if you wanna talk about hypotheticals, if you bring up hypotheticals one more time, I'm just gonna walk away and end this right now. Because I'm not interested in talking about hypotheticals with you. So if that's something you wanna keep talking about, the whole knocking out of think
Speaker 1: is gonna help me?
Speaker 0: What I think is gonna help you?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Without going to prison. Yeah. Am I gonna go to court for this?
Speaker 0: Are you gonna go to court for that? I'm not gonna blackmail you. So I'm just gonna say, that there's a potential for anything to happen. And that's that's all I can do
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna happen?
Speaker 0: Is it going to happen? I can't blackmail you, man. So I can't say yes or
Speaker 2: no to that.
Speaker 1: Question. I'm being serious. Okay? Do I look at going to court about this?
Speaker 0: Well, I will say I don't think you need trouble. I think maybe some help
Speaker 2: has
Speaker 0: what? Internet stuff Internet addiction.
Speaker 1: Internet addiction towards what? Just Facebook. Talk to whoever I want. That's my freedom to write
Speaker 0: Oh, that's fine. You know what? You know what? I think we're kind of hypotheticals again.
Speaker 1: And No. Not hypothetical. It the fact you have no right to push reflection on this as saying I'm addicted to whatever. It's like you're telling a person that they don't have self control of themselves because what they tell you.
Speaker 0: Oh, you're right. You're perfect. That's correct.
Speaker 1: No. I'm not perfect, but I know for a fact in my own eyes from what another woman could see me as if she sees me as perfect. That's her eyes.
Speaker 0: Well, I ain't a fucking woman. Okay? I'm not
Speaker 1: saying So
Speaker 0: But Look. Like I said, I don't If
Speaker 1: you have a problem with me thinking the way I think, just like other people do, they have a problem with me being right about things. So they wanna believe I'm a problem because they believe they wanna incriminate.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I don't think I don't think you would necessarily have a problem. I just think think when I say help, I literally mean just, like, help yourself not be in a situation like this. I could mean that too.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay? So did I did I mention counseling one time? You're the one talking about blowing the money out.
Speaker 1: That only because of what I've been through where psychologists wanna talk to me because they wanna believe I have this disorder, which in reality, I don't believe I do. But that's what I mean.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, I don't think, you know, you don't come across someone who has a disorder. I think I think people love to categorize smart people as people who have disorders and probably kneecap them. That's I mean, you see what Elon Musk. You know, Elon Musk is.
Right?
Speaker 2: He's a very smart man.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But they say he's like autism and all this. No. He's just a fucking genius, and they're just trying to bring his
Speaker 2: ass down.
Speaker 0: A genius. I'm not saying you're as smart as Elon Musk. But, you know, but
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not comparing myself to him because that would be defamation. He's smart in his way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm smart in my way.
Speaker 0: Right. Of course.
Speaker 1: But we're all smart in our own way.
Speaker 0: I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1: Everybody has their potential to be greatness when it comes down to whether or not how they harness
Speaker 0: it. Right.
Speaker 1: But they always said there was a statement where there's greatness it deserves. Well, this is from, actually, the one movie Gone in 60 Seconds from, the house's name.
Speaker 0: What decade was that movie from?
Speaker 1: Back in 9 back in the nineties. Remember? Right? Uh-huh. It is where, it's one that the one gentleman that played in National Treasury again.
Oh, Nicholas Cage? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
He, he said, where where they deserve, you know, greatness, they deserve, well, whatever the rest it was. But either way, it had to do greatness Right. Within their own way. Right. Like, you have to do you have to appreciate what another person does to appreciate this.
I'm not trying to categorize anything. I'm just making a point of a statement that was in a movie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 0: And and I think
Speaker 1: That's acting.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And and I yeah. Well, but, you know, movies can you know, culture movies can apply to real life. So Well, it
Speaker 1: can also go back to influence. Yeah. Because they know how to influence. That's why they know how to manipulate.
Speaker 0: Well, they do literally do it through Hollywood, and they put out, you know, propaganda one way or the other. But that's all other conversations that we could have. But Yeah. But yeah. No.
I mean, is there anybody you look up to? Like
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's nobody.
Speaker 0: Nobody?
Speaker 1: Because I have nobody I look up to because there's a lot of reasons. Because every time I turn around and I try to trust somebody, they end up deceiving me.
Speaker 0: Do you believe in God?
Speaker 1: I don't need God. Because God is just a another influencing on a person to believe. I believe like my dad and I before he died.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's something that exist in this whole universe that created everything. Mhmm. But nobody is meant to know. And if it does exist
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Only the person that's able to actually see it or realize it, if it's real
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Will ever know.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: But they could die with that knowledge. But that doesn't matter if somebody believes it or
Speaker 0: not. Right.
Speaker 1: A person could think the person's crazy because of what they believe too. So that's going back to perception.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And I think a lot of people perceive you the wrong way about not only just shit like this, but just everything. I I think people perceive you the wrong way. Like, even talking to some of the people in the gym, they're like, oh, he's always mentioning law. This and I don't like, well, that make I think that makes him, like, smart.
And I think more people should know that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people don't know everything about the law. They know a lot of stuff probably it's probably civil, but not other stuff that's in the higher highest codes. And I don't know all the the acts Uh-huh. That exist, but I know enough of them.
Speaker 0: Sure. Yeah. Nobody's gonna know
Speaker 2: them all.
Speaker 1: I mean, not I know that one thing has to do with property. There's a property law.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And whoever owns the phone is responsible for the for whoever's text messages.
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 1: And just like I said, whoever's behind that phone is also responsible for their end about what how they received it. I I
Speaker 0: said that from the beginning. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to put myself in that category by trying to say you can incriminate me based off of this. The bottom line, it also goes back to those other people that are actually the ones who is the owner. I don't know who the owner is. I can perceive that I believe or assume who actually owns the phone. I have no idea.
Speaker 0: Okay. But is a 13 year old gonna own a fucking phone?
Speaker 1: I don't like I said before, I don't know how old they are. I don't know how old anybody
Speaker 0: is. Okay.
Speaker 1: Because the problem with the Internet, and this is the truth, is that you gotta be able to find out by talking to them in person to know exactly how old they are.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, anybody can lie to you on on the Internet. So I'm really this age when you're really not.
Speaker 0: So how old did they tell you they were then?
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know. Because regards to what that says or whatever says on my accounts or whatever with whoever, I don't go off their age because I don't know how old anybody is. Okay. Because regardless of what they could tell me, it could be a lie.
Speaker 0: And so Maybe so so, again, I I'm I'm not asking I'm not asking you about them for you. I'm asking you about them for them. Was there an age on their profile or something like that that they were trying to get people with or something?
Speaker 1: I had no idea. K. People hide their their friend list.
Speaker 0: Okay. Was there no. I'm saying did they have did they say, like, in their bio, like, I'm this old or that old or something like that? Yeah. K.
Speaker 1: Because I don't read into any of that stuff because people make up fake bios all the time online. Okay. I'm not saying they do or don't. The point is they have a perception of themselves, and that's what they're gonna find. And the thing is, I've never met that person to know really if that's really
Speaker 0: the truth. Okay.
Speaker 1: That could be whatever they wanna believe themselves. Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, we I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be mean.
Speaker 0: Well, we're talking hypotheticals again. So Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying hypotheticals. No. No. No.
Speaker 0: We're we're talking hypotheticals right now. So what I'm gonna do no.
Speaker 1: I know you think of it that way.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, we are talking hypotheticals. So
Speaker 1: ask you
Speaker 0: a question. I I I'm probably just gonna end it right here.
Speaker 2: Let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question.
Speaker 0: I'm gonna end this right here, man.
Speaker 1: So Facebook has a lot of fake accounts on it, and you say that's not illegal. I hope that's a fraud. But you're gonna tell me that's okay.
Speaker 0: I'm gonna end this right here. Okay? If you wanna actually to start, like, being transparent about what they were trying to do to you, you can. But I've not I'm just
Speaker 1: If if you believe we wouldn't be here talking if there wasn't anybody trying to incriminate you.
Speaker 0: We wouldn't be here talking if I just believed them at their word.
Speaker 1: Well, we wouldn't be talking if you didn't believe what they say. If you didn't if you didn't think I was a problem or a threat,
Speaker 0: you wouldn't be here. If I thought well, I'm willing to walk away right now. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I know.
Speaker 0: Maybe I maybe I can think you're a problem or a threat now because you don't even wanna explain with anything they did. So
Speaker 1: Because I can't explain something to incriminate myself. That goes back to privacy. Do you understand the law on privacy at all? I'm I'm not gonna sit here and talk about what somebody else talked about.
Speaker 0: Greg.
Speaker 1: If they did talk about or not talk about. And I don't know who's behind what account because I can't divulge anybody's information because regards you guys subpoena for whatever
Speaker 2: account
Speaker 0: Okay. I'm gonna stop you right there. If we wanna actually get to the bottom of and I think I I'm open to this idea that they were trying to fuck with you. I'm open to that idea. I'm open to it.
I'm gonna not gonna lie to you. I'm not convinced of it, but I'm also not not convinced of it. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie to you about that. I'm 5050 right now.
But Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you about this. Okay. That's how I look at it. Sure. Because you're here.
And since I never went to whoever.
Speaker 0: No. Well, that's a hypothetical. I'll see you later, man.
Speaker 1: It's whoever. I can say that
Speaker 0: because No. No. No. No. No.
We're we're gonna call them by their names, and we're not having this conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, I could say this person is Joe or Jane.
Speaker 0: Okay. That's another hypothetical. Funny.
Speaker 1: Because you you would think because you got a subpoena, that's enough to go on. Hey. If we're going off
Speaker 0: hypotheticals, we're not gonna be talking.
Speaker 1: So you won't be incriminating. So basically No.
Speaker 0: I just want you to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: That's why the calculator is here.
Speaker 2: Let's see where everything gone.
Speaker 0: Well, it's your decision, man.
Speaker 3: Hello. Hello.
Speaker 0: How's it going?
Speaker 1: Good. How are you?
Speaker 0: Good.
Speaker 3: Can I speak with you privately? Sure. I suspect it's, I think I know who you're
Speaker 2: with. Alright.
Speaker 3: Are you with, Yeah. Dance Against Frederick?
Speaker 0: No. No. Another group?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Similar philosophy,
Speaker 2: things like that?
Speaker 0: Well, coy. We actually tried to hopefully put him in jail though. So
Speaker 3: Okay. So this is, my guess, kind of like a a thing operated by you guys?
Speaker 0: Correct. Yes.
Speaker 3: Okay. What was the premise in the background of?
Speaker 0: Well, this individual we think is into well, into bestiality online. And he, so try to solicit 2 13 year old girls to, to, have sex with him, and a dog, And we think he also receives child support a lot. We don't have any verified proof of that, but yeah.
Speaker 3: How long is your, operation been going?
Speaker 0: Since August.
Speaker 3: Okay. Since then. Where are you guys out of? You guys local or
Speaker 0: Houston, Texas. Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3: Do you have all the documents that come out of roofs?
Speaker 0: No. There's, like, thousands of, pictures, but we can send it all electronically.
Speaker 3: Okay. Tell you what, I will get one of my supervisors here and kinda go over things with him and then go from there. He is certified to examine forensically examine cell phones and everything like that for the purpose of what you guys are here. Okay. So we can get the ball rolling on that.
And the thing is is they can go and execute a search warrant at some point on him and see the cell phone and do everything else to put the ball rolling for criminal charges. Okay. It's just the difficulty is is that we're meeting here with the evidence that was presented in another jurisdiction. Right. Right.
So I hate to be the bearer of bad news, that sort of stuff. Yeah. But we'll get you started on some of the formal paperwork that will put these pieces in motion. And if you have everything electronically and wanna send it over to us, that works even better.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. As soon
Speaker 3: as we're we're just a suburban department, so we're not like a a large city where we have a detective on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Right. So when they get in in the morning, or next time that they get on, we can kinda, get the ball rolling on that stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay. Does that work for you guys? Yeah. Absolutely, sir.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm trying to be physical to the cops. You won't
Speaker 1: even identify yourself. So Please stop incriminating me. Yes. He is. Mom, bullshit.
Speaker 2: Can I have
Speaker 1: your stay back number? You have a warrant
Speaker 0: Oh, really?
@PPoachersTV - Predator Poachers TV
We confronted a child predator going after a 12 and 10-year-old... 📍San Antonio, TX https://t.co/fKYsB1ND8c
Video Transcript AI Summary
In the video, Robert (also referred to as Bobby Bernal) is confronted by two individuals about his online interactions with underage girls. Robert admits to chatting with them and sending explicit messages, but claims he believed they were older. He denies receiving explicit photos from underage girls but mentions receiving messages from older women on Instagram. The conversation explores Robert's loneliness and his past involvement in professional wrestling. The speakers discuss the potential triggers for receiving messages from underage girls and emphasize the importance of honesty and self-reflection. Robert expresses remorse and states that he has learned from the experience. The video concludes with the speakers deciding to turn in evidence to the police.
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Speaker 0: A lot of I mean, I I think the internet itself isn't the best thing in general. The internet's a I think I'm gonna tell you the truth. Sure. I think the fucking internet Internet has opened up
Speaker 1: a can of fucking worms.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. Absolutely. Big time. What up, man?
How's it going, bro? I'm doing alright. Yeah, bro. Out and about working? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Well, you're an engineer.
Right? Yeah. Appreciate what you do, bro. Yeah. Sure.
I do gotta talk about some messages to Mandy and Maddie online. Okay? They were the chicks on Facebook that were talking to you. You know, like I said, I just wanna have a conversation. Yeah.
We just do it here in your front lawn if that's cool. You know, obviously not here to hurt you or anything like that. He's just he's just with me. We're not here to take anything from you or do anything stupid. Vice versa, I hope.
Yeah. Okay. Cool, man. Well, my name is Gordon. I'm sorry to meet you like this.
Okay. And that is he'll introduce himself. Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Hi. My name is Noah, man. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Bobby.
Bobby.
Speaker 0: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. People say I look like Bobby from King of the Hill. But but, here, just, that's yeah. Okay.
So the the the make sure the angle that you Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. So do you know kinda, like, what we'd be here to talk to you about? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Definitely. You're an engineer, you said? Okay. Well, you're an honest guy, so I figured we'd probably be transparent about it.
Speaker 2: That you're helping the community. We you know, somebody needs to fix the potholes. Mhmm. The roads are Like, honestly, we should be spending more of our money here in San Antonio versus in Ukraine or in Israel. Right.
Speaker 0: So, you
Speaker 2: know, I do appreciate that you're an outstanding
Speaker 0: member of the community, and we
Speaker 2: wanna straighten this out. And, you know, we appreciate you talking
Speaker 0: to us. And, I I know I know exactly what you guys are talking about. I, I completely wiped them off of Facebook. Good. Good.
So I did that because I said I, this is not correct. For sure. Yeah. Because we kinda went to See see the thing is when when, I was when I originally talked to him and everything Mhmm. I had a feeling I had a feeling that they were that one of them was young.
Sure. And how did they say they were? Well, at 17. Okay. I mean, they're still underage.
Okay. And and I knew. I said, nah. You know, but they wanted to be friends. For sure.
Sure. I decided I said, okay. I'll be friends with them and everything. And, it got to the point where they were really and and, she wanted to come over and I'm like, what? I don't know.
I don't think so. What does she wanna do? Yeah. She wanted to come over to the house. What?
From Divine. She was in Divine or something. Really? She was staying with her grandma, and she wanted to come here. She wanted to come here Uh-huh.
And stay. And I'm like, wait a minute. No. Something's not right. Sure.
Sure. And because she she said she was gonna get an Uber from Devine, Texas to South Park Mall. Okay. And, that she says, did you wanna pick me up there? Or Sure.
And I'm like, wait a minute, dude. You know, you guys are back off. Yeah. I know. That's good.
That's why I just Yeah. I know. I know. I I said, you know what? I said, I'm cutting this shit out.
For sure. This is not right. Yeah. Well Something's wrong here. What are these crazy fucking woman wanna do?
I don't know. I don't know. You know? So and I and I get like that shit all the time because they try and scam you online Really? For gift cards.
The first thing is gift cards and all this other shit. Did they do that? No. Oh, gosh. They didn't do that.
They didn't do that anymore. So I just and they're I'm pretty sure they're young girls. I don't know. Really? That's just it.
I never knew what they were doing. No. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you have no children?
Speaker 0: No. I don't know. No. Kids, I'm not married. No.
Not married? No. I'm not married. So what I
Speaker 2: mean, do you think just maybe being in the company of somebody who's, you know, like, a teenager or maybe even a preteen kinda, like, help make you feel, like, younger and really lose your youth. They're also provide, like, some kind of mentor. You don't think, like, maybe it's, like, helping you. You wanna provide some kind of guidance or mentorship to some of these people, and that's why you're kinda chatting with them. Like, you wanna be, like, a father figure.
Speaker 0: I just no. I mean, I just I just, you know, I chat. I just I just like to chat and and talk and, you know, and if they, you know, they start they start up on a shit. I I like I sort of question a lot of that shit. So Mhmm.
I just like, nah, I don't know about this. When did y'all start talking? Or when did they start hitting you up? About 5, 6 weeks weeks ago. Okay.
So not too long. No. No. Like I said, I at the very last, I, I decided, you know what? This isn't right.
You know? For sure. So I just I just cut it off. Well, I I mean, I I definitely appreciate that. It takes a man to take responsibility.
Yeah. And that's what I told I told him, I said, you know, for some reason, y'all are keeping keeping calling me at night and and they would text me like late at night and everything. Really? I'm like, what the fuck? What what what what What do you wanna know?
So, I mean, I haven't really read through all of this, but what would I mean, I can assume because, you know, I know how women are online, dude. Just, I mean, at any age. What what were some of the stuff they were talk trying to talk about with you? I mean, sexual. They were?
They had a lot of sexual. Yeah. Oh, my God. It would like I mean, I don't I mean, we're all men here. I mean, we all we all had sex.
I mean, we're like, what so what are some of the stuff they wanted to do? I mean, it's just sexual. I mean, they just wanted me to to show them some areas or something, you know. I don't know. What private areas?
Yeah. Exactly. Oh my god. Know, you know. So Okay.
Did, did you end up, like, sending any pictures or anything? No. No? Okay. I don't know because Bobby, I I I read some I I said I didn't read all of it.
I read some of it. I mean, maybe the hand slip or something? Because I I think there is a few pictures in here. Yeah. There there are there are some pictures.
Okay. What what did what did you send, you think? Yeah. I sent a few pictures. Penis pictures?
Okay. But see, I that's instead I didn't I didn't realize that that's what they were at at that time. And then and then as as time went on, I I said, you know what? This isn't right. Sure.
And, you know, this isn't right and and I need to stop this shit. Yeah. No. I mean, every single guy has overstepped lives before. I mean, we're guys with penises that get hard.
So I mean, it is it is what it is. So I did read some of it. It did look like it was it was some sexual conversation. You know, one was here, I'll make a deal with you 2 baby. Anytime you need a seat cock just tell me and I'll send a picture.
Okay baby? I love you a lot, Maddy. You're a sweet beautiful girl. I'm in love with you the moment we started talking. Mhmm.
And, did y'all ever talk about like, I don't know, just, you know, I can kiss your neck and stick my cock in your panties. This was said on your end. And again, I'm I'm I mean, none of us are judging you. You weren't judging me. No.
Speaker 2: But we all look look, we all have vices. He loves chocolate cake.
Speaker 0: But see, the thing is, like I said, these I when the girls were talking to me, I mean, it was like they were old enough. Right. That's that's where I thought. Okay. They were old enough, and I'm like, you know, but but I just kept on and on, and then then at the very I said, you know what?
This isn't right. Sure. I'm gonna I'm gonna blow it off, you know. What what made you realize that they could have been younger? I don't know.
They it's just something that they kept on kept on, you know, going yeah. Kept on pushing. Pushing?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 0: here. We we can we can move kind of over here. Say what? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, these these hey. These people Oh, they're they're kinda noisy. Come inside the house too. Uh-huh.
I mean Oh, how about we just move to the sidewalk? Yeah. That's probably better. Yeah. Well, they're they're probably leaving.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. Here.
Oh, that's fine. That's Okay. Got it. Appreciate you, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. You said that. Thanks for sharing and opening up, you know. Look, we all we all have our vices.
We all have things things that we struggle with. You know, like, you seem like a nice guy. You seem like a god fearing man, member of the community, you know. I'm sure you have some some urges and some desires and some things that you're kind of ashamed of. You know, and so if you're looking at at pictures, you know, or sending pictures back and forth to people, you know, or or talking to people who might be bit younger than what's socially acceptable.
Speaker 0: Oh, hey, Carlos. Yeah.
Speaker 2: How's it going, Carlos? Good. Alright. You know? It's still it's still a lot it's still a lot better than acting on those desires.
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I I you know, I'm just
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I mean, look.
Speaker 0: We're Like I said like I said, I I We're we're we're we're we're we're I I We're we're we're
Speaker 2: we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're not yelling. We're not screaming. We're not, like, you know, we're not we're not taking this anywhere. You know, we're not we're not not the worst telling people about the We're being real respectful. And and and we want, like because we know, like, you're not a bad guy and you may be I I you know, everyone struggles with demons and we just want you to help you get through by your struggles.
You know? Mhmm. Right.
Speaker 0: So And and like I said, I'm I'm, you know, like I said, man, I got to that point I got to that point where I said, you know what? Cut it. Right. Because I mean, you know, because it it it kept on it it it stayed in my mind. And and I was I'm like, what if what if you kids are Right.
At a younger age than what you're thinking. Sure. And I'm like, I better you know what? This is it because I've never done shit like this. First time?
That's yeah. That's what's said. You know, this is the first time I've ever done this shit, and I'm like, why am I doing it? Right. That's you know, I I I doubted it myself.
Yeah. No. But there could be a lot of I mean, I I think the Internet itself isn't the best thing in general. I I think I'm gonna tell you the truth. Sure.
I think the fucking Internet has opened up
Speaker 1: a can of fucking worms.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. Absolutely. Big time. I mean, because I don't think you'd be saying so when you stroke my cock with your hand up and down motion into it for a while.
Not to a, like a 10 year old or a, you know, a 9 or a Right. Whatever, you know. Right. I hell knows. So So, you know Yeah.
And, you know, Bobby, you've been honest your whole life, so it's kind of easy to kinda see because you mentioned this is your first time, and we're kinda waiting on you to say that if it was or not. Right. But let's just be frank. We know the age of consent is kinda 17 and Correct. So And that's what I see.
Well, I'm gonna well, Bobby, I'm gonna stop you right there. Okay. You just you just blurted out 10 years old out of nowhere. Right. But I'm gonna ask you how old did Madison say she was?
And you can be a we're not here to judge you. I think she said, I if I remember, I think she was like 12, 13 years old. Okay. And how old did did how old did Mandy say she was? I say the same thing.
So 2, 12 or 13 year olds? Okay. Yeah. So, you know, you're you're an engineer. We gotta be logical with stuff.
So, we don't engineers, my dad's an engineer. He has chemical engineering degree. And you know engineers are I mean I I grew up with him. I mean I've spent all my whole life with him. Engineers don't do a lot of the BS ing.
They don't do a lot of untrue things because then a project can't be done. So, we just need to stick to the truth. I don't think they ever told you they were 17. And I think that's why you kinda have a guilty conscious about it because Right. I mean Well, I mean I mean, I see what I when they when they started talking to me Mhmm.
She she told me she says, okay. I'm I'm, like, 12, 13 minutes. Okay. Okay. Okay.
But then Mhmm. They proceeded, you know, we proceeded. Okay. You know. Well, I don't think she said older though.
That that's kinda where we're deviating again. Right. I think I I think well, I'm gonna tell you, Mandy was 12, Madison was 10. And it's okay. It's okay.
But all we care about is that we don't really care if this happened because we know it's not gonna happen again with you. We just care about honesty about it. Okay? Yes. It will not.
Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, Robert, you know, since we're being honest and we're opening up, and I really appreciate that. Absolutely. What what made you wanna continue the conversation?
Speaker 0: Because you you knew that,
Speaker 2: you know, you're talking to a 12 year old and a 10 year old. What made you what made you continue this?
Speaker 0: Oh, man. I don't know. I I really don't know. I just I guess I guess maybe because I'm single Sure. And, you know, you're in the house alone.
Oh, I get that, man. Is your car? Maybe? We got people with us for safety. But, obviously, we know you're a good guy.
Oh, yeah. But, you know, you know I thought I thought he was moving. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. You know you know how fucking San Pedro Avenue is.
We gotta be kinda careful here. So fucking gosh. Oh, this is a good name. Believe it or not, this is a good neighborhood. Yeah.
No. I I got yeah. No. We, You do have to see
Speaker 2: a lot of nice parts here. But, anyway, I don't wanna interrupt you because we really do appreciate you sharing all
Speaker 0: this stuff. But, okay. Where was I? What what did you Well, you know You're single in the home.
Speaker 2: You're single. You're home. Lonely. You know, you're continuing that conversation. That's a sexual conversation with a 12 year old and a 10 year old.
Just wanna know, like, what was going through your head? Why you were continuing that conversation?
Speaker 0: I don't know. I don't really know. I just I just did it, you know. I just and and like I said, it may be may be because I was I'm single and I'm lonely, you know. Yeah.
But that's cool. I I you know, like I said, I, I know let me put it to you this way. Mhmm. I knew where if if because I had I had when I was conversing with them, I had an inkling, for some reason, that they were a little older, but then it because they were coming out with some stuff too. Right.
Right. They're coming out with some stuff. It takes 2 to talk. And I'm like I'm like, well, they can't be they can't be no 10 years old. Uh-huh.
It shouldn't be a 10 year old saying shit like this. Mhmm. But then, you know, as time went on, I I said, you know what, Dee? You better drop it. Drop it and drop it quick.
Right. Because this shit doesn't not sound right. Well, because even though, you know, you say things that I think you otherwise wouldn't have said with the internet, without the internet and so can they, you know. I mean, I don't think they've, I mean, did they ever say they were 17? I don't think they did.
I don't think so. No. Okay. No. They never did die.
It's just me that I was thinking maybe that they were more Mature? Mature. Yeah. I mean, that that happens. Because I get I get dings all day too from, you know, the other girls that are that are, like, from Instagram and everything like that.
And they're they're 18, 17, 19, 20. And, you know
Speaker 2: Robert, let
Speaker 0: me ask
Speaker 2: you a question. Because we know and we appreciate your honesty. It's gonna kinda cover the case a little bit. We know these are not the first time. This is not the first time this has happened.
Right? Because you're you you seem like you spend a lot of time on the in on on the Internet, on Facebook, you know, on on, do you ever I'm I'm assuming you probably have, like, a telegram or a signal or use
Speaker 0: some other app in your Telegram. Yeah. Not telegram. What do you call this, Signal? No.
Instagram. Instagram. Yeah. But I'm not not not not not I'm actually not even, no.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't have I
Speaker 0: don't have Telegram. I don't have, the only one I used to have was what's WhatsApp. What's up? WhatsApp. And, I had signal, and I got rid of signal.
Okay.
Speaker 2: But yeah. But I mean, look. You know, you're an engineer. You're a hardworking guy. You're single.
No kids. No grandkids. You know, you kind of by yourself. It's it's easy to get get lonely when, you know, you're in that in that circumstance. It's not your fault.
But, you know, a lot of times when people get lonely, they they kind of do things, you know, and then they have free time to kinda do things that they might otherwise regret. So, I mean, like, how like, when did this just tell us the truth. Okay? When does this actually start? Right.
Because we we know
Speaker 0: we no.
Speaker 2: No. I'm not mad.
Speaker 0: We noticed on yeah. Robert, we noticed on your likes that there's quite a few younger looking profiles. Mhmm. And I'm not saying that every single one of them is San Antonio. Every single one of them you're, you know, sending pics to.
But, when what's the timetable when underage profiles are just trying to message you on Facebook or these other apps? About a about a year ago, I would say. Okay. What apps has it happened on? So, I don't think these girls should be online.
I'm not blaming the guy, you know. Basically on Facebook. Really? They allow that shit and same.
Speaker 2: On Facebook. Yeah. It's kinda crazy.
Speaker 0: So about how many underage chicks have tried to hit you up? Really not. 0. Okay. Just these 2 these 2 were the only ones that really, the the, none of them have really hit me.
Well, what about just small talk? Nope. 0. Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, Robert,
Speaker 0: I mean, these 2 these 2 were the ones I mean,
Speaker 2: not to interrupt you, but, you know, when you when you're an outstanding member of the community like yourself, when you're an honest guy, when you're, you know, looking for some kind of companionship, when you're looking for a friend, when you're looking to be a mentor to somebody, it wouldn't well, hold up. Hold on. I'm sorry. It wouldn't surprise me that maybe you try to kind of message some of these some of these girls just because if anything, you just wanna be, like, a father figure to them.
Speaker 0: That's what I that's what I was just gonna say. I said, no. I left messages quick. Okay. Like, hey.
How are you doing? And, get back with me. My name is Bob. Yeah. And that's it.
But I haven't gotten any back feedback from you. Okay. So you you you try to say hi to a few younger girls. They just haven't responded? Yeah.
That's fair. But see, I thought and, there's again, you know, I mean, thinking that they were, you know Well, there's a few on your profile that look blatant. Like, there's definitely some that are like borderline like 17 and 18, 19. That's fine. But there's a few that kinda look young.
Yeah. Mhmm. Like about Mandy and Madison. So how did those kinda get on your following list or your friends list or? They, no.
They they, contacted me. I mean, they No. I don't mean Maddie and Mandy. I just mean like other profiles that look about their age. How do I do how do I get on there or what?
How how do how do they somehow become on your friends list or on your on your likes or whatever? I don't know. I I I guess I I because I don't friend a lot of them. Okay. I don't friend them.
Them. I just I what I'll do is I'll just leave a message and, hey, you know, if they get back with me, if they get back with me, if they don't, they don't, you know. Okay. For sure. And and a lot of them don't.
Right. A lot of them don't. So I I don't even mess with it. No. I hear you.
I hear you. So we kinda have a theory about what happened because, you know, when I look at you an engineer who, you know, do do you work out still? Yeah. Yeah. Are you like on any like TRT or anything?
Do what's that?
Speaker 2: Do you do
Speaker 0: you take any TRT or steroid? Test or anything? Yeah. No. So you're just, like, that buff?
Just, like, that's the goddamn, man. I used to pro wrestle a long time. Oh, really? No way. I can Wait.
What a WWE or No. Back in the circuit, for Mexico and all that, CMM and all that. Oh, so you were you lived in Mexico doing that? No. I lived here in the United States, but I was traveling to Mexico doing that and then, and then I would go, the southern region all of the United States.
From Florida to to back to the Texas area. And it was like a full time gig? Back then, it was more a full time gig back in the eighties. Okay. Because that's when I was doing it back in the eighties.
Yeah. Yeah. And then I decided to sort of get out of it and go into the engineering because I have the background in the engineering. Well, so you have a good degree in all that? Yeah.
Yeah. Nice, man. Yeah. Nice. Your degree got you a $100,000 home in San Antonio.
It's not in too much. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I like it though. Where where did where did you go to school at?
Incarnate word or something? Oh, Holy Cross? Okay. I went to Holy Cross High School and then, I went to the United States Navy for 4 years. Oh, thanks for your service, man.
And that's Thank you. Yeah. That's when I went in to, you know, went in for 4 years and and, did my time there and then got out and they just started working Okay. As an engineer out here. Nice.
Because I have that background, you know. Yeah. So, we kinda have a theory, like, so you used to have the app signal. Do I have what? You used to have the app signal.
Right? AppSignal? The AppSignal. No. We don't have it.
Speaker 2: You said
Speaker 0: you got rid of Signal. Yeah. I got rid of Signal. You can have it. Yeah.
What was kinda I had it. What was coming up? I don't have it anymore. Why why did you get rid of it? Particular because a lot of the girls were trying to scam online.
Really? Yeah. The first thing they would ask for is money, gift cards, and, scam and and try and scam for money. Were there any, like, groups on Signal? Groups?
Yeah. Like group chats or anything? No. Okay. No.
I never no. Got it. Because we It was just a one on one thing. Because we so you know, we're A lot of the women a lot of the women, on there were were older much older women. Sure.
And another one is Google Chats. Oh, yeah. Now I have Google Chats. And all those women are are they're 35 and above. No.
All those Indian men are 35 and above. And that's what I was well, see, that's that's just an a and I man, AI, one thing and oh, yeah. You know? So you don't know. And that's what I've used.
For sure. I mean, I just Well, I well,
Speaker 2: like, what websites were you going on, just to make it so that you're being contacted by those types of people? Because look, I'll be I'll be honest with you, man. Like because I'll I'll open up too because I know you we appreciate you opening up. Like, I used
Speaker 0: to look at a ton of fucking porn out there, man. Like, ton.
Speaker 2: And I I like milk. And I like, you know, black and big booties and stuff like that. I'm I'm yeah. I mean, it is what it is. And and and, you know, look.
My my girlfriend's Mexican. Right? Right. Like, there's not gonna be more white people in my family after we have a kid. That's okay.
But what I'm what I'm trying to say is, like, everyone has stuff they're looking at. Right? And I used to look at this stuff, like, cost us hours on it. Alright? And I'm opening these up just because, like, a, It's, you know, it's important to open up and because it creates healthy a healthier dialogue, a healthy understanding of yourself so you don't do this type of stuff again.
But also, you know, when but also when you look at these types of videos and you go on certain websites, you will you are a lot more likely to get certain messages like that from certain people.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 2: And and, you know, if underage girls are messaging you and hitting you up for money, you gotta be visiting something to trigger that kind algorithm. And and
Speaker 0: the the only thing I ever was was messenger. Basically, messenger. Yeah. So And and that's it. So because some some of these messages are definitely out of character for someone like you and I mean I know.
And and that's what I'm saying is that when I got to that point, I said, you know what, dude? This is right. Knock it off. Right. Knock it off.
Knock it off. For sure. So, I mean, I kinda wanna ask. I I made it, you know, and I may have been doing it I I think I was doing it, like, for the fun of it too. You know, just to to do it.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's kinda taboo a little bit. Or Yeah. You know, hey, man.
Get them all. Yeah. For sure. You know, I Oh, because I wanted to ask because some of these messages are pretty explicit, like Yeah. Yeah.
I I wanna bring up one. And it's fine. I mean, fucking every guy talks to us online. But you said, but my wiener goes deep inside of you. But if you're scared, that's okay because we can hold each other.
I'll let you play with it. Yeah. I'm I'm not gonna deny. No. For sure.
Not gonna deny. I mean, it's there. It's it's me. But like I said, I I think a lot of it I think it got to the point where I was like, okay, they wanna hear this shit. I'll give us you know what I'm saying?
Right. But but I think some of this stems from, I mean, there has to be some stuff seen online. Like, has anybody sent No. Has anybody online, like, try to send you anything or it was, like, nude photos of, like, youngers? No?
No. No. No. They haven't sent me nothing. And I like I said, I just I sent a couple, but it was just, you know, I don't Well, no.
I mean, Maddie Mandy. I mean, have there been other guys online that have tried to, like, advertise and got pictures of girls and stuff like that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Big time. Okay. Big time. Where where have you seen that happen? Instagram.
I get that all the time on Instagram. What what are they kind of offering? Let me see if I can I I don't know if let me see if they even today Alright? Let me see. Let me see if I can get Instagram.
Oh, those are just I what the let me let me see. What the fuck? They look like this. You should probably just need to swipe it at you. That's all.
Yeah. I wanna see them. These like this. Well, I'm gonna see here. I won't see nothing there.
What about the messages? Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Okay.
This is, Nancy. Just 2 messages. It's just a a friend of mine. She's an older woman. Yeah.
Yeah. No problem. She's an older woman. Yeah. No.
For sure. She's a good friend of mine. Mhmm. See, she sent her pictures. She's an older girl.
Looks 10 years old to me. No. I'm just kidding. No. I don't know.
No. She's about probably 30, I'd say. Right. Yeah. When
Speaker 2: I put
Speaker 0: your ears up. But see, there's a, there there's Robert, can we look at her profile? Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.
Go ahead. Just one I mean, that's definitely not an actual woman, but that's not an underage person. Yeah. I mean, I Yeah. Like I said, I think I think when when, you know, when this came up, I I I think more than anything, I was, like, into this mode of getting them Right.
You know? Getting them kinda turned on. Yeah. That's fine. But but, I mean, not not to that point.
But Yeah. Then they you know, I I I don't know. I just I and I and when it happened Mhmm. Like I said, I, I said, nah. So I wanted to ask about guys with guys trying to sell pictures of girls.
You see that on Instagram? What I'm trying to do is go into my let me see. On that Instagram? At the very top Let's take a look at this. Yeah.
At the very top, there's usually, like, request. Okay. I've got we have 2. There we go. Now you'll see see shit like that.
See? There we go. Yeah. An important part.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everybody gets that.
Speaker 0: Right. But that's the only thing I can think of. Okay. Not not Okay. Not anything else.
Okay. That. Okay. That's that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. And then you messaged somebody named named Frankie Little Dancer?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. How how old is she? I have no idea. No idea?
Probably 7, 12.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then it says on January 20th, what a day of drove that smile, honey. Yesterday. Frankie, you're so beautiful, baby. You are so darling.
Good. So yeah. Unless it
Speaker 0: I mean, I mean, I don't know. Yeah. Bobby, because, you know, we we don't think you're somebody that needs trouble for this type of stuff, but obviously, there seems to be a pattern here. Do do do you agree there's kind of a pattern? Yeah.
There is. There's a pattern. Okay. I if I'm gonna wipe I need to wipe all that shit out. Well, you're good, man.
I mean I'm not gonna do this shit. But when when did this kinda start happening? Like, when did you start, like, when did you start reaching out to? A year or 2 ago? Okay.
Yeah. What do you think sparked the curiosity? Well, it's more because of the pandemic. When the pandemic came on, I was like, here at the house. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. What else I gonna fucking do? Right. You know?
And and I started going online and checking out girls and all kinds of shit and that was it. So how did it become like an underage thing? I don't know. I just because they, I guess, couple of them said something to me and I just started Okay. What what did so how so a few underage kids reached out to you and said some stuff?
Well, I mean, I thought they were underage. How old how old were they about? I don't know. I had no idea. What was what would be your best guess?
Say 14. Sure. Fair enough. And and so I I, you know, just, hey, what's going on? You know, hey, what's and and at that at that time, it was like a friendship kinda do.
Sure. Sure. But then then they started getting into more of a, you know He said these 14 year olds are trying to flirt with you and shit? Big time. Fuck.
See, I don't think I I also don't think they should be doing that. Like, what And and then and then they send, well, they have provocative, people on Instagram and on this Little little deal. Like like, if I look at pictures, are they trying did any of these 14 year olds, they're trying to sell you photos or anything? No. No.
Okay. No. So, what what so what would they say to you? Like these other chicks besides Maddie and, these other chicks besides Maddie and, Mandy? Yes.
What what would these 14 year olds, like, try to say to you? I just I wish you would teach us or something like that, you know. So I don't like Okay. Did you get carried away? I I said, you don't wanna do this.
It's in writing. Did you get carried away and send them a few dick pics? I think so. Okay. I think that's what I have to do.
To the other ones?
Speaker 2: So what other accounts what other accounts do you use?
Speaker 0: I got the WhatsApp. Yeah. But I have nothing in WhatsApp. I'm a tag. 0 in WhatsApp.
Let's see. What? WhatsApp. There, I have 0. Yeah.
Nothing in WhatsApp. Right? Nothing. Yeah. Nobody.
Signal. I had signal, but I like I said, I I I disconnected signal because, they were trying to scam me out of money and Right. Right. Gift cards and all kinds of bullshit.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And you
Speaker 0: know what?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm tired.
Speaker 0: Well, I'm I'm here. That's just and I'm tired. See and I and you know what? Matter of fact, I think I brought that up in the conversation. Uh-huh.
I told him, I says, you know, I says, on these on the other ones that I'm getting on some of these older women. Mhmm. All they're looking for is money. Yeah. Yeah.
Gift cards. Sure. Scammers. That's all they are. And and then they they she came back to me and and said, well, she says, well, I'm not here to do that and blah blah blah.
And you're a nice person and you're trustable and all this shit. And Yeah. And I think that's where the conversation just came from. Alright. Here, I'm gonna have a word with him for a second.
I'm gonna see if I can show right here, Bobby, if you don't mind. He this guy is not well connected into any type of alcohol porn. So what we're gonna do is we're just gonna try to get him to admit to inviting him over to admit to inviting them over for sex and, You don't
Speaker 2: think so, yeah. I I
Speaker 0: don't think He's not well connected. He's like, no, trust me. I I know. He's not more connected.
Speaker 2: What about the I saw that he has a thing called spike. I wanna
Speaker 0: ask him about spike, and then we'll we can Okay. Yeah. We'll just say it. Like, why don't you get your address? Yeah.
Oh, is there an app called spike on your phone? A what? Spike? Nope. I don't think I Look.
Speaker 2: We saw I I did kinda see that by accident when we were
Speaker 0: all Right. Yeah. I have nothing on there either.
Speaker 2: Right here?
Speaker 0: Yes. Okay. Yeah. But I don't Yeah. I don't even use it.
Speaker 2: You don't use it? Nah.
Speaker 0: I don't like I said, I don't even I don't even use half of this shit that's What's Spike supposed to be? I have no idea. I I've never used Spike. I don't use Telegram. I haven't used, man.
Well, I I used WhatsApp, but I I I don't have anything going on. Yeah. I know. I mean, you why
Speaker 2: did you install it? What did you you what was your reason for installing the app?
Speaker 0: I don't know. I I guess I guess maybe later on, I was gonna sooner or later, you know, somebody went, oh, because a lot of the girls and you know, like Yeah. They're like, add me add me add me on this. Yeah. Yeah.
Let's go to let's go to that or let's go to signals or let's go to the
Speaker 2: No. Yeah. Do you mind if we try to log in?
Speaker 0: Or what
Speaker 2: what is your email? Would you have an do you wanna try to can you try to log in, please? And the only reason we're doing it, it's only up
Speaker 0: to you.
Speaker 2: It's just just to just to figure out where all the stuff is coming from and also to help to prevent this stuff happening in the future. Right? So that's yeah.
Speaker 0: Well, I'm gonna tell you right now, dude. This is it. I've had it, man. I'm I'm tired of this shit myself. What do you need?
See if
Speaker 2: you can log in, Spike.
Speaker 0: I've never used it, so I don't know. Where is it? There it is. So what do I do? Go to email or what?
Yeah. Put your email address in. K. There it is. Yeah.
It was a good idea. Continue. Choose an account. So what do I do? It.
Try Volley for now and see if it works. Okay. Sign in. Yeah. Continue.
Continue. Spike would like Let's see. Have you been to interact with anybody on Spike before? No. No.
Okay. No. Nah. Like I said, I don't even I don't know how they really actually I don't even know how they came up. Right.
I really don't. I know. Yeah. That's weird. Yeah.
Nothing really going on. Where are you guys from? Where where do you own? Oh, we're we're from Texas here. Yeah.
Originally from I'm originally from San Antonio. I live in Houston now, but Tell me who do you all who do you all work? It's a group called Kid Protectors USA. We should make sure that kids don't talk to adults online and vice versa. Oh, okay.
Yeah. So I wanted to ask about some of the a few more of these messages. You can have your phone back. Yes. Yeah.
It cool? Nice. Yeah. Yo. You're good, man.
You can do whatever with it. So We appreciate your honesty. We're
Speaker 2: we're glad that we're
Speaker 0: we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 0: So, you know? Like I said, I I I will promise you this the end of this. For sure. I'm tired of this shit. I I, you know.
For sure. So I kinda wanna ask about this. So when you stroke my cock with your hand up and down motion, up and down motion, do it for a while, I get to the point exciting the sperm, that's it. My cock starts rising to the top of my pee hole and expose the sperm all over. That's a man's orgasm.
It's called an orgasm, baby. And he talked about, like, like She wanted to know what the fuck. An orgasm was? Yeah. That's fair.
Yeah. Exactly. I realized you were very young and getting trouble. Blah blah blah blah blah. I was very horny for you.
There. Mhmm. There's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: See? That's when I I Yeah. Something put off. Because she told me at that time, she had told me I think she had told me that she was, like, 12, 13. Right.
Right. And then I said, you know what, dude? This isn't right. Get your fucking ass off of this. And that's when I started thinking of I said, you know what, dude?
And then when she started, she said, hey. I'm coming over to your house. I wanna come to your house, and what are we gonna do and everything. And I'm like, wait a minute. Well, how how did she get your address?
I I well, she said she told me because she said she was gonna go down to her grandma's Okay. And stay in Dubai. Okay. She says, you're only 30 miles away. Yeah.
You know, give me your address because I'm gonna take an Uber. She says, I'm gonna take an Uber Okay. To your house. She says, actually, I wanna go to South Park Mall Uh-huh. And I can meet you there.
And she says, no. You know what? Can you go ahead and give me your address? Okay. And right, when she I gave her the address Mhmm.
Because she wanted to know the amount of money it was gonna take. Yeah. Because she had a card for Uber. Okay. And she says, I've got free so I can go anywhere I want.
And then she said, I gave her the address, and then she gave me a a mile back on which it was gonna be. Mhmm. And right there and then I said, you know what? This isn't right. What was supposed to it like?
What were you what were you all talking about happening in person to each other? Like, what what was she talking about wanting to do and whatever? I don't think that's just it. I don't know. And and that's when I I said, you know what?
This is getting a little bit too freaky. Right. You better stop your ass. Well, did y'all talk about, like, doing stuff together in person? I would suppose so.
She wanted to. Okay. And I just I don't know. I I said, I don't know what will what are you gonna do? I mean, what because she asked me.
She goes, what's what are we gonna do? Okay. And I I didn't I don't think I ever really said anything. Okay. Well, did you did you say you all were gonna do stuff in other parts of the chat?
Uh-huh. Like, you just talk about putting your dick in her and No. I mean, that was just some of those little. But, no. I mean, I I think I no.
No. I didn't. I I never did say anything like that. Okay. And you're talking about her stroking your penis?
I believe I did, but that was only, it was like a a what do you call it? A dream, you know, like Uh-huh. That it was, you know, yeah. Right. Okay.
You know, one of those. Well, did y'all ever talk about, like obviously, it didn't happen. So I'm not I'm not saying that, you you know, you did it or anything like that. But did y'all talk about, like, we're gonna do this together in person? Mm-mm.
I didn't know that. No? Okay. Because Oh, no. I'm not I'm not saying I'm not saying you did.
I'm just saying, did y'all, like, talk about doing that in person whether you wanted to or not? I can't remember. Okay. I really don't remember if I did or not. You said what if grandma finds out?
Let me think a little bit more about this. See, that's when I started because she she kept on pushing that she wanted to come over here. Uh-huh. And I'm like, what do you wanna come over? You're fucking if you're if you're a 12 year old girl or a 13 year old girl, what are you coming over to my fucking house for?
Right. Well, because here you said I would love to see you and Madison make love. Yeah. Because she said that, she said, she's in love with Madison. Okay.
And I'm like, so but I mean, I I was just making conversation, I guess, more than any kind of Got it. Alright. I what I was doing was I was trying to keep them Keep keep them Move. Keep them engaged. Yeah.
Okay. Exactly. You know, I mean, they they were getting, I don't know, freaky on it. I'm like Alright. But I I just Well, we can't be getting freaky with 10 year olds here.
Right? Well, I'm I'm definitely now I understand that, you know, that that's what they were. I mean, I don't I still have this inclination in my head that they were a little older than than what they said. What did you what did you think? Or I was thinking it's 17, 18 years old.
Well, I I don't well, that that well, that's my children. They were 3rd maybe maybe you thought that at maybe you thought that at the beginning. That's what I thought. Okay. No.
No. What I no. She told me I'm pretty sure they told me that they were 12, 13. Yeah. But for them to say what they were doing, and then she came out, well, I'm in love with Madison, and you're not gonna be afraid.
And all, like, this girl is insane. Fucking no fucking 12 year old. Well, did did they say that they were gonna drive here? Or They they were gonna take an Uber. Okay.
Well, that would have over here. Okay. What the fuck? Well, 12 well, you know, 17 year olds can drive, 12 year olds can. Yeah.
So But but see, I didn't know. I mean, you don't I wasn't thinking about that at the time. You know? What what
Speaker 2: did you say when they
Speaker 0: said that? When they when
Speaker 2: they told you, what did what did you
Speaker 0: I think I said you better wait. I said you better hang loose. Okay. I said, nah. I don't know.
You know, I it's in there. It's just Yeah. Because because because here you said here here you said you guys are underage. I can get in trouble for this. Yes.
Okay. Yeah. See, but that's when I that's when it clicked in that they were That they were under they were underage. That's when you started to believe believe they're underage? Or I told them that because they said that they were.
Okay. But I had this inclination that they were. Okay. But did you 16, 17, 18 years old. Okay.
Well, just because they have the maturity of a 16, 17 okay. And then when they said, we'll take an Uber. I said, well, who gets a fucking Uber at that age? Uh-huh. Who has a fucking car?
Right. That's that fucking age. And who goes to their grandma's and is able to leave Right. 30 miles away. Okay.
And then that's when I was like, I don't know about this, dude. Woah. I mean And at the end, I just I just completely I said, no. I I I I blocked them both. Right.
I blocked them both. Okay. I blocked them. So, I mean, did did they ever, like, ask what a penis was? Yeah.
Because they were asking, you know, what what do you mean? What's what's this? What's that? What what what do they say? What's this and what's that about?
Yeah. They get to see what a penis was. Okay. So does a 17 has a 17 year old every 17 year old on earth has seen a penis at this point. Well, I don't know about that.
No. I mean, did okay. I I Some girls, no. Some girls, they haven't, you know. They they probably haven't seen it, you know.
Yeah. But if they're talking like this if they're talking like this. But see, that's what I'm saying is that I didn't know that's what I'm saying. Mhmm. Because if I knew if I had a feeling that they were 17 and 18 Uh-huh.
I sent the pictures because I thought that's what they were. But then then, you know, they were telling me that there were 12 and 13, and I'm like, wait a minute. You know, what's going on here? Are you really what you're saying you are? Or is this a bullshit?
Okay. But were you under the assumption they're probably too young to be talking to? I yeah. I mean, I I probably would. I mean, I I I knew and even 17 is young.
Okay. But I mean, like okay. But but were you under were you under the assumption that you could have gotten in trouble for sending that penis picture? Uh-huh. Yeah.
Okay. So did you think there was a pretty good chance that you were sending this to a 12 or 10 year old? Probably. I don't know. Okay.
I probably Like, how how did you feel after you said the penis picture? I felt like shit. Okay. Yeah. So I don't think you feel like shit for sending that to an adult.
The 17th age limit here. I don't know. Okay. She wants to see it. She rest fine.
Yeah. Of course. So if you feel like shit, I mean, I don't think I I I feel like shit. I I think you knew that they were probably too young to be sending that to legally. Probably.
Okay. But but like I said but like I said, man, it's you know, you guys call all day. Yeah. Spammers. Yeah.
But, I just I don't know. It it it was it's a weird situation and and, I just felt I don't know. I felt, you know, I was by myself and Yeah. I felt I could do basically what I wanted to do, you know. I just felt because I was
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: You by myself, you know. You you got a little carried away. Right? Yeah. I got carried away.
That happened. Yeah. And Yeah. Alright. Well, you know, Bobby, here you said, I hope you don't think of me as a creep.
Do you know what spook? Yeah. Because because I didn't know at that time if they really were or or were. You know? And I Well, that's what I'm saying.
In this shit, it it nowadays, you can't tell me what
Speaker 2: what the hell's going on. And listen. We know you're not
Speaker 0: And I'm not gonna you know what? And and now that you brought this up, I mean, this is it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, listen, Bobby. Like, you know, we know you're not a monster. Right?
And it's not like you'd ever talk to a 7 year old like this. Right? Yeah. No. Yeah.
You know, they they gotta at least be around, like, you know, 9, 10, 11 years. Like, at least starting to to develop. Right? That that's kinda where is that kinda where you
Speaker 0: No. No. No. That's that's way too young. I mean, that's fucking.
That's too young. Okay. I mean, what what point is I mean, that's the this is just good when I was talking to these chicks. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying.
They're
Speaker 2: chicks. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Because I was thinking they were older because Well, at what point did you start thinking they were younger? Like, what point did you start thinking they were 1213 12 and 10? When she started when she started, what is this and what what do you need? Okay. What do you need?
And and Okay. What do you need? And I'm like, what do you mean? What do I mean? Okay.
So so when so when they started questioning, like, what a penis is Yeah. That's what is is that after that when you started to assume that they were underage? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
That well, I mean, I I was assuming that they were underage. Uh-huh. But did I but but are they playing with me? Right.
Speaker 2: But didn't
Speaker 0: know, and I didn't know if they were 18, 19 years old playing with me. Right. But I'm but I'm asking, like, after they started asking those questions, is that when you started to assume that they're probably younger? Like, probably 13 or so. Okay.
That's probably and and that that's when I started getting this real bad feed. But a lot of those but you said big fix and sexual messages after you started to think they were 13 too. Yeah. Because I like I said, I kept the momentum. I'm You wanna keep the momentum?
I see. Oh, here you are, holy guy. We should have what can happen. I didn't I didn't wanna, you know I guess you could say I didn't just wanna be Right. You're kind of in the moment already.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then then as time went, I think, like, just last I think it was this week. Okay.
I decided I said, you know what, dude? I think it was on Tuesday or Wednesday Uh-huh. When when she said she was gonna take the Uber. Right. And I'll meet you at South Park Hall and all.
I'm like, what the fuck? What young girl? That's see, that's what I was saying. Yeah. I said, what young girl is able to take a fucking Uber?
Right. Sure. Sure. Sure. And she's gonna come to my house.
Did did you did you, say you were gonna come pick her up at South Park Mall at any point? No. No. I don't think so. No.
I don't know. Okay. Did you did you ever She said she said she was gonna come here Uh-huh. To I mean, did you ever say like, hey, meet me here. I mean, I'm I obviously didn't happen but No.
No? No. No. Okay. So there was there really any any type of hey, I'm gonna be here.
Can you come see me? Anything like that? No? No. No.
No. I I started questioning. And when she said when she said they were gonna take an Uber over here and Uh-huh. And she says, can I bring Madison along with me? And I'm like, what are you fucking how come you guys are
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then you said that you wanted to watch them. Make sure
Speaker 0: to each
Speaker 2: other. That was just
Speaker 0: that was just that was just You're going along with it.
Speaker 2: Right. You gotta understand why why it's a little it doesn't really the math isn't really mapping. And you're an engineer, so we're all about logic and common sense. Right? You know, if that if that were the case, you know, and you thought something was sketchy, I think if that was if that was the case, you thought that, like, you know, things were a little bit sketchy, you know, I I personally, if our new position wouldn't be, like,
Speaker 0: encouraging. I heard a lot of people. Yeah. I understand. I understand.
Speaker 2: But I did. But I got
Speaker 0: But see, I thought that's what I'm saying is that I didn't realize if they were that that older. Uh-huh. And I just I don't tweak the conversation. I understand. Okay.
Alright. Well, Bobby, we're gonna be out of here, but, you know, never you know, we don't wanna see you doing this again. Absolutely. Okay. Wanna do it.
I appreciate you guys, man. For really, to tell you the truth, man, I think this is a big fucking wake up call. It should be. Yeah. It's a big fucking Has has anybody ever accused you of doing this in person before?
No? No. This is, you know and and I knew, you know, Meta because, when Meta will would, I think it was what? Who is who got Facebook at one time? I I Same owner.
He's Zuckerberg. Meta. But Meta, I knew that Meta started, really looking at conversations. Right. And, and and so I knew I said, you know what, dude?
If you continue this shit, they're they're gonna suck. Yeah. Well and so Well, also Robert,
Speaker 2: you know, like, you find out they're 12 and 10. Right? After you find this app, you're still count you're still saying, hey. I wanna watch Redneck. Let's keep the conversation going.
We're we're we're we're honest about that, which I do appreciate. Right? Let's say they did come over and and you did. You know, you gave them your address.
Speaker 0: Now I know you gave them
Speaker 2: your address inviting them to come over. And I know you don't wanna get carried away, but let's say they came over and they would have would have been okay with you doing what you said you were gonna do? I mean, we all know, you know, if you're still gonna, keep this conversation going with them after finding this out, we all know it's very likely that you would have probably acted on this even though you knew
Speaker 0: it was wrong. No. I don't think so. I I really don't. I I probably woulda told them.
I think yes. Yes. I I So on a one to 10 on a on a one to 10 scale of doing that, what would you say? So 10 is you were for sure gonna do it, 1 is you weren't gonna do it at all. What would be the number you picked?
A 2. A 2? A 2. Okay. Simple reason what did I tell you?
I just told you that when I heard they were taking an Uber here Yeah. I got very I said, I don't know about that. So there is only there is only a very very very very slim chance that you could have sex with them or anything like that? Big time. I I knew if if they were gonna be the age that they were Uh-huh.
I would have told them, you know what girls? What what y'all fucking doing here? The fuck up, man. Go back. I'm not gonna fucking do that with you.
Speaker 2: Okay. There's no way. And there was no point in the chat where you did you say that in the chat? So we wanna find that because if we did, then, you know, I think
Speaker 0: I think I did say something to that effect that that Yeah. To go to go home and, you know, that Yeah. That that that that I I wasn't For sure. Okay. Well, we're gonna be out of here, Bobby.
I appreciate it. You take care, man. Alrighty. Alright. Feel very much.
I appreciate it, man. Yep. Okay, boss. Take care. See you.
Yeah. He ended up blocking the profile, so I don't think yeah. Alright, guys. We're gonna go turn the evidence to San Antonio PD. We are gonna get some police presence.
We didn't wanna oh. Hey, sir. Can we file a report, please? Can you file a report? Yes, sir.
With you. Go right in there. Go right in there. Okay. Take it right over there.
Got it. Got it. How's it going? How's it going? We'd like to turn evidence of a potential sex fraud that we think took place.
I'm sorry? We'd like to turn evidence of a potential sex fraud we believe took took place. Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Alright. What's up, guys? We're here turning in evidence, so we're gonna just go talk to, this guy over here. Yes, there's an individual named Bobby Bernal. Yes.
Correct. Yes. He thought he was talking to 2, underage people. Exactly. Yep.
Precisely. Yep. Alex. 832. K.
Yep. I live at, 10 Houston, Texas. Okay. You'll be in touch. Cool.
Thank you. Alright. Yep. That's my number. Yep.
Okay. My email is atpp0acher3@gmail.com. You'll be in touch. Okay. Thank you so much.
Appreciate it. Alright. Cool.
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Video Transcript AI Summary
In this video, the speaker is waiting for someone and communicates with them on the phone. They confront the person about their online conversations with an underage girl, expressing concern for their safety. The person admits to talking to the girl but claims they didn't believe she was underage. They discuss the platforms where these conversations took place and the explicit content exchanged. The speaker mentions their work with kids and the need to protect them. They also discuss the dangers of online interactions and the prevalence of scams. The conversation touches on various topics, including the person's personal life and their intentions to help the girl. The speaker brings up the possibility of investigating individuals involved in sharing explicit content. Additionally, the speaker shares their experiences on MySpace, receiving spam and fake messages, and engaging in flirtatious interactions. They clarify that they never forced anyone to do anything and admit to making a mistake of buying a gift card. Another part of the video involves a conversation between two individuals, where one denies purchasing inappropriate videos involving minors but admits to receiving them once for free. Law enforcement intervenes, leading to the person's arrest. The conversation is recorded by a group called Predator Poachers, who aim to expose and report individuals engaging in such activities. The video ends with a call to join the group for updates on similar cases and hope for the person's arrest.
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Speaker 0: Only fucking just missing. Just say just say you meet me inside. Stay stay on the phone. Stay on the phone. Yeah.
So you want me to tell him that I'm already there? Just read me inside? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Oh, yeah. He's he's looking from his phone in the entrance the whole fucking time. Oh, yeah. What is it?
Cv 14489. K. I just told him. Yeah. He's looking at his phone.
Yeah. He is. He he's looking pretty he's going for risk. She come from. Yeah.
No. I think he might just be moving. No. He's turning that way. Yeah.
He might just be moving. He looked at the message. So
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Alright. We're live. Oh oh, he's going he's going around the place to look. Just say Sam in the back. Oh, he's parking there.
He's parking there. Yeah. He's about to walk in. Just just say just say, like, yeah. I'm just just say I'm in just say I'm in the mail.
Yeah. Yeah. Just just wait for him to respond. Just wait for
Speaker 1: him to respond.
Speaker 0: He's he's parked where he's facing away from McDonald's, but he's parked closer to McDonald's now.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He hasn't said nothing yet. Oh, he's got out. He's got out. He's got he's coming in.
Okay. Alright. See you. See you. Bye.
Later. Looking around. Looking around. Hey, Brian. Let's go talk about Heidi outside.
Okay? About Heidi, the girl who's messaging her on Facebook. I'm not trying to cause a commotion in here. I just wanna I know you're a good dude. I just wanna talk to you in private.
Okay? Here we can go outside if you if you don't mind. My name is Gordon. I'm sorry to mute you this way, man. We just go by the fence.
If anybody asks what's going on, I'll just change the subject. I'm not trying to put you on blast or anything like that. And, obviously, I know I'm a bigger guy. I mean, we're basically, like, we could be brothers. I mean, that's the appearance of it.
But, I Nice, man. How long have you been
Speaker 1: at work there for? Well, every day.
Speaker 0: Well, I appreciate what you do, man. Everybody gotta be fed. Some more than others, bud. If anybody asks what's going on, I'll just say we're we're just 2 Irish guys discussing alcohol or something. That that could be like an accurate looking conversation here.
So do you kinda know what I'm here to talk to you about? Really? Alright. It's gonna be an honest dude. Do you like are you like a manager or something?
Or Something. Okay. Well, I kinda figure. I think that's why I get the honest spot from you. So I guess without these, what do you think I'm here to talk to you about?
Speaker 1: An underage girl. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I appreciate your honesty. Which,
Speaker 1: in all honesty Mhmm. I was under the assumption this was fake. I kinda figured it was fake. I did not believe that this person was underage. I did not believe that she was real.
So in all honesty
Speaker 0: Sure. How old did the person tell you they were?
Speaker 1: I think you said 13, 14 Okay. Which I didn't believe. Sure.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: Because believe it or not Mhmm. I've seen this shit, not you guys, but I have seen this before Mhmm. Where people catfish the catfishers, which is, like, kinda like, people are out trying to get the people who are going after underage girls.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I I have seen that before. That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm am not trying to do anything bad to Sure. Underage people. No.
Speaker 0: I I I guess not like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just wanted to talk to you. I work with kids.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: I understand that. I want people to
Speaker 0: They work in the grocery store too?
Speaker 1: The kids I work with? Mhmm. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Nice. Well, no. That's good man. I know you do good for the community and all that so I kind of want to go over some things. There are some chats though.
I mean, I have Heidi here and some others. You know, just kind of looking at your Facebook profile. Seeing some stuff. I mean, how long has this kinda stuff been going on for though? Because, you know, obviously, I know you're you have good intentions.
You're not here to hurt anybody, but, you know, I don't want anybody to get a different type of idea. Like, I mean, how many of these younger profiles have tried to message you before?
Speaker 1: A few. I don't know exactly how many. Yeah. That's her.
Speaker 0: How long has it been going on for?
Speaker 1: God. I don't know.
Speaker 0: Been a little
Speaker 1: bit. Like, dude, every time you see shit, something's popping up.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No shit. Well, I guess we can start with what, what platforms are these? Like, younger ladies under 8? Or is it ladies or boys or
Speaker 1: Ladies.
Speaker 0: Ladies. What a what platforms are these younger ladies under 18 trying to hit you up on?
Speaker 1: Mostly Facebook. Oh, I well, I think that that Okay. Instagram too. Really? Yeah.
Speaker 0: Which one has more in your experience?
Speaker 1: I've seen Facebook.
Speaker 0: Okay. Any other apps besides besides those 2?
Speaker 1: Possibly Snapchat. I'm assuming.
Speaker 0: There's underage chicks on Snapchat. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're this
Speaker 0: or not.
Speaker 1: But I I would assume
Speaker 0: Well, if someone told you they were underage on Snapchat?
Speaker 1: I've had people troll me on Snapchat before not with underage stuff, but just like saying there's somebody and they're not.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Okay. I guess it well, what platforms have people just told you? Like, yeah, I'm younger than 18.
Speaker 1: Facebook and Instagram.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got it. Which one started first?
Speaker 1: To be honest, MySpace.
Speaker 0: That's where it went first?
Speaker 1: Way back when. Yeah. MySpace used to be the shit alternate.
Speaker 0: And there there is just there was just people just trolling around MySpace saying, oh, I'm this age. I'm that age.
Speaker 1: I got jambu too.
Speaker 0: Really? Mhmm. So we're we're talking like 15 years ago, man. Jeez, Louie. So you would have been just a wee little lad then too.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. But I would I don't understand people. I really fucking know. No. Like, I understand what you guys are doing.
I really do. Okay. I and me personally, I don't like to fuck with that kind of stuff. My brother got wrapped up in some stuff with his family one time.
Speaker 0: Two more stuff?
Speaker 1: That he was child abusing.
Speaker 0: Oh. He wasn't Right. Right. Right.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is bullshit. And then I started seeing stuff on the online that people were trying to help others by cat fishing people. Mhmm. I'm trying to trying to help the situation because
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Meeting her, if she was actually real, which I didn't believe so, I would've explained, hey, don't meet people like me who sit there and say stuff like this because it's stupid. It's dangerous
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: To do that stuff. Right. I work with kids. Not kids. They were 16 Yeah.
Speaker 0: I I I I don't feel I was like, we got some child labor going on here. I think that's a whole other thing we have to talk about. Right?
Speaker 1: So yeah. I I do talk to them and I told them because they they sit there and tell me that they have creepers talk to them all the time at work. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This person was fucking fucking weird and stuff like that.
Speaker 0: Right. Right.
Speaker 1: Talk to people like that. You have problems like that. Come see me.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I have I have a rich uncle. He goes around he goes around Walmart and he just kinda like, obviously, he hasn't like said, hey, come in my car. But he just he just talks to the employees that obviously don't wanna talk to him. You know, because he fucking walks around like this.
It's like, hey. I ain't gonna be trying to talk to her.
Speaker 1: It's not even it's not even like that. It's just like, one of my employees at we have a Starbucks there. Mhmm. And she's, like, somebody had gone up to her, like, oh, yeah. Who do you have waiting at home for you?
It's like, bro.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And she's barely 18.
Speaker 0: I see. She's like Right. Right. Right. Right.
Speaker 1: And me, I I'm doing the same thing you guys are doing. I just wanna set awareness.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I've never Well,
Speaker 0: I brought It's
Speaker 1: too stupid.
Speaker 0: Well, I appreciate that. So, I mean, I think I can get some good insight then. I'm kinda I mean, I don't even know they're on my like, the so these these guys started messaging you on my I see.
Speaker 1: Facebook. Facebook. Instagram. I'm I'm shit. I'm sure it's on Twitter too Or x whatever it's called.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean so was there like a gap between Myspace and Instagram? Like did they not message you for a couple of years? Because you know Myspace kinda ended before Instagram started.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I didn't even really mess with it for a long period of time.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you took a little hiatus yourself? Okay. Got it. $0.0.
Yeah. I know how I feel like, man. So what did what did these chicks try to talk to you about on My Space? Like, were you doing the same thing back then you're doing now?
Speaker 1: Or I was not. Okay.
Speaker 0: I I
Speaker 1: was a lot younger than that. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I know. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: My My Space, when did My Space quit? Oh, I
Speaker 0: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know when Facebook started.
Speaker 0: Well, I guess what I'm curious about MySpace is, like, how young do the chicks go on there that were trying
Speaker 1: to hit
Speaker 0: people up and shit?
Speaker 1: Probably just the same age.
Speaker 0: Like, like, 12, 13? Something around there. What were they trying to talk to you about? That's nuts to me that MySpace allowed that shit because I thought MySpace was a good platform. But No.
They're all bad. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: Basically, it's, money, gift cards. Hey. I'll do this if you give me money. Hey. I'll send you pictures of it.
You give me money.
Speaker 0: On MySpace?
Speaker 1: That's what it I
Speaker 0: think our kids doing that shit.
Speaker 1: Trying Or at least people imitating on the
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because god only knows. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: What percentage of them do you think ask for money versus don't ask for money? Because I did did did Heidi ever ask you for money?
Speaker 1: No. Okay.
Speaker 0: So there's a there's a few that don't.
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. There's there's a few that don't.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. I've had a few.
Speaker 0: That don't ask for money?
Speaker 1: That do ask for money.
Speaker 0: That do ask for money? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: And I I I just I honestly don't get it.
Speaker 0: How promiscuous would you say these at least whether they're younger ladies under 18 or people pretending to be, I have no idea. How remiscuous do they kinda get?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 0: Like, do they start getting like flirty and shit or?
Speaker 1: Yeah. What? Yeah. They do.
Speaker 0: How flirty do they usually get? Or at least some of that, like, what was the farthest they take you? That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Basically, start calling you, like, nicknames and shit like that. Daddy. Hey, daddy. Hey, daddy. Will you do this for me, daddy?
Hey, daddy. I love you so much shit like that.
Speaker 0: They're telling me you got, like, middle school or early high schoolers just doing this crazy shit.
Speaker 1: To me? No. But I have seen it.
Speaker 0: Okay. Okay. What's the craziest they've tried to do to you?
Speaker 1: Hey. I'll send you a video of something if you send me a gift card. Amazon gift card. Oh, right. Gift card.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got it.
Well, has there ever been any times where, because you know, like you said you you say you want to kind of help out with this type of stuff and you know obviously it seems like a lot of these girls don't have a father figure, don't really have anybody to take care of them. Have you ever just kinda bought them a gift card just out of the kindness of your heart or anything like that?
Speaker 1: Once.
Speaker 0: Really? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was gender stunned.
Speaker 0: Nice. Got it.
Speaker 1: Especially around Christmas time.
Speaker 0: Little little modus or something?
Speaker 1: Especially around Christmas time. Well, I
Speaker 0: appreciate you doing that for the youth. How old was it? How how was that a girl? How old was she?
Speaker 1: I think they were 50, so I
Speaker 0: don't know. Well, how how old was she claiming to be?
Speaker 1: I thought how long ago, like 15, 16, somewhere around there.
Speaker 0: Got it. Got it.
Speaker 1: It it was just this was years ago though.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This was it's 2024 now. I wanna say the 2010, 2012,
Speaker 0: somewhere around there. Oh, shit. They were doing the gift card shit back then too.
Speaker 1: Oh, dude. It's the gift card thing is always going on.
Speaker 0: Got it.
Speaker 1: It's worse now. Now they're getting after older people.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm I'm curious. What what was her present back to you? Maybe maybe maybe it wasn't a present in your eyes, but what did she send you back in return for the
Speaker 1: gift card? Nothing.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 1: That that was the troll.
Speaker 0: Okay. Give me
Speaker 1: this and I'll send this and then you send it and it's not What
Speaker 0: did she say she was gonna send?
Speaker 1: Video. Video, I think it was video. Just her plane, I think.
Speaker 0: Oh, like, doing some inappropriate stuff? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: Got it. I I think, but it's been a long time. Okay.
Speaker 0: For sure. So she that girl is about 15, 16 or something or
Speaker 1: Some selling.
Speaker 0: Oh, allegedly. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. Alright.
So when did, Hadi kinda start messaging you?
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't remember. Was it? What was it? Last week? Something like that.
I don't remember. It wasn't that
Speaker 0: long. Okay. Would October 2023 ring a bell?
Speaker 1: No. We did not. I did not know her.
Speaker 0: Okay. But you but you remember who Heidi is. Right? Yeah. Okay.
Got it. Got it. That's fair enough.
Speaker 1: And just like I said, you never do anything to conquer. Sure. I'm not. I don't get people. I really don't.
Right. I'm not here to fuck with you. I'm not here to, hey. I didn't do this. Hey.
I didn't do that. Yes. I talked to her. Yes. I said stuff.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I also wanted her to be aware, especially if she ever decided to say, hey, you wanna meet, that I could talk to her and be like, hey, I have to meet somebody.
Speaker 0: Well, yeah. It's it's a lesson thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure. Because you don't want you don't want these things to happen. Mhmm. It's dangerous.
It's stupid.
Speaker 0: So what was your exact plan today then?
Speaker 1: My exact plan today was
Speaker 0: Like, what what were you what were you in your mind what was gonna happen?
Speaker 1: I was going to talk to her. Hey. Why are you talking to older people? Why are you trying to get things? Why would you trust somebody like this?
Why? Why? Why? You don't wanna do this. It's dangerous.
Mhmm. I because by no means would I ever wanna touch her.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you came to McDonald's to basically tell this this younger lady under 18, like, hey, life lesson. This is what's going on. Yep. So so that was your intention today.
Is that right?
Speaker 1: That was my full intention.
Speaker 0: Okay. So I'm gonna just kinda reiterate here. So you thought she was real, but you were here to basically protect her from any bullshit? Yes. Okay.
Alright. So we can have a conversation under the knowledge that you thought she was real but you were in your mind you were gonna help a real girl out today and make sure that she's on the straight and narrow. Is that right? Yes. Okay.
Alright. So, I do wanna ask about some things because obviously, you know, we all have different ways of teaching people lessons. Maybe, I'm not going to say I don't understand you because I fully understand what you're saying and I actually agree with a lot of it. But you know, some ways lessons are taught. Maybe some more go extreme than others.
Like my parents spanked me, to teach me to not hit people which, you know, it could be backwards logic to some people but on the other hand, it's like I understand it. You know what I mean? So, the conversation with Heidi, you mentioned some things were said that were kind of, a little bit risque?
Speaker 1: Yes. Okay.
Speaker 0: I didn't go through all of these. Do you mind just filling me in, or should I just look through these 1 by 1 and ask you? Or what what do you think we should do?
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? What do you wanna know?
Speaker 0: Well, just kind of, like you know, because, I mean, I saw a few of them. And, yeah, I saw, like, panties this, whatever. I mean, fucking enough guy talk. I don't give a fuck about that. But, like, were there any, like, pics sent to her or anything?
Speaker 1: I have sent a pic. Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. A
Speaker 1: couple. Oh, mainly me.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: My face, me and me. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Any other ones, like, below the belt?
Speaker 1: So for me, no. Okay. Picture, yes. Of me, no.
Speaker 0: Okay. How many pics did you send of, like, a penis?
Speaker 1: It was I think it was just 2.
Speaker 0: 2?
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a lot
Speaker 0: of mess. I'll take your word for it. Okay.
Speaker 1: And it was it was more recent than anything, you know?
Speaker 0: Mhmm. It was
Speaker 1: just online stuff.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. It's just Internet bullshit. Okay. So you said I'm 37.
Are you still 37? When did you have a birthday? November. Got it. Do you have any, do you have like a wife or anything?
Any kids of your own? One day maybe?
Speaker 1: One day.
Speaker 0: Alright. Who do you live with now?
Speaker 1: Grandma.
Speaker 0: Alright. Oh, so you take care of her?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: How old is she?
Speaker 1: 8 eighties.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, you know
Speaker 1: That's that's why I wanna help.
Speaker 0: How vulnerable people. Yeah. Sure. Sure.
Speaker 1: My grandma's vulnerable. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I take care of her.
Speaker 1: I told her not to do stuff. Hey. We got an email about such and such. Hey. Our bill didn't get paid.
6.7.
Speaker 0: Well, thank thank you for what you do taking care of her. I really appreciate that. You know, my grandma is also in her eighties and, you know, she's pretty I mean, she's like 90% there mentally, I'd say. You know, she just doesn't hear something because she's old. But then a lot of the sarcasm goes over her head.
But that's really having a conversation about, you know, she's fully, like, with it. So, but yeah. No. When she gets to that point of just kind of, you know, not with it, definitely would like someone to take care of her. Maybe it'll be me,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 0: And we'll see how close I live to her.
Speaker 1: But Somebody I work with, their mom just passed out at the grocery store the other day, and it's like, oh my god. They're okay. But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's just the scary thing that happens.
Speaker 0: No. Of course. Of course. Definitely. It's important to have family.
Speaker 1: Especially when they call us saying, hey. Is such and such there? And they're not, and then they're, like, telling you the story of what happened.
Speaker 0: It's like Yeah.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 0: Do you have, like, a girlfriend or anything? Ever had a girlfriend, like, recently? Recently? No. How long has it been?
Few years. Oh, shit. Okay. God. When's the last time you kind of, you know, kissed anybody that wasn't your mom?
I'm not trying to insult. I'm just asking like
Speaker 1: God. When's the last time I kissed a girl? In a couple of years, it was my ex.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: So that
Speaker 0: was the last one? Yeah. Okay. I see. Alright.
Speaker 1: I I work a lot. There you go. And clearly helping with this. So that I'm coming out with work. So I do a lot of stuff trying to help.
Speaker 0: Do a lot of volunteer stuff.
Speaker 1: Stupid stuff clearly. Sure. Sure. Sure. Well, stupid to some people.
Speaker 0: Right. I see. I see. So I kind of want to ask about some other stuff because, you know, you're telling me that you wanna help out with this and I'm fully I'm fully I'm fully with it, man. I really am.
You know, it's definitely a pleasant surprise when this gets turned around. It's you know, I'm actually on the good side here. I'm, like, great. Fucking hell yeah. Have you heard of that called Telegram?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. I've heard some things about that app that aren't, like, the best.
Speaker 1: I've heard things too, but I have not
Speaker 0: seen anything. Okay. Well, we're
Speaker 1: I see people trying to do just meet up for sex and stuff like that.
Speaker 0: Alright. But
Speaker 1: Whether that's true. I I mean, I've seen the sex things.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I have not actually seen if it's they're actually True or not.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not sending people
Speaker 0: money for that. Sure. Sure. No. No.
For sure. For sure. But, you know, I heard on, Telegram that there's that there's people out there that aren't like us, but people out there are actually trying to do some pretty bad stuff to younger ladies.
Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me. Mhmm. In all honesty, it does not surprise me. Mhmm. I I haven't seen any.
Speaker 0: Okay. Has anybody tried to, like, get you into that stuff on there?
Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
Speaker 0: Okay. Have there been any apps? Because, you know, you've been in the trenches for a long time kinda with this stuff. And, you know, whether, you know, I understand, like, your intentions are pure. But, you know, when you get into this line of work, there's obviously gonna be some bullshit that comes your way.
I'm thinking there's some people online that have kind of, tried to loop you into some of this stuff. Like, where they're trying to like send you pictures or videos. Like for example, I had a 15 or 16 year old on MySpace. God knows how long ago. I mean, that's just one example.
And I'm not saying that's you trying to like hurt anybody or exploit anybody but I mean, you know, I think over the years people whether they are adults or whether they are just promiscuous younger ladies, they they try to kind of, you know, get you involved in some of this stuff. Maybe you're going undercover with this, but you know, that's what kind of what I'm curious about because I think there's been situations where and this is something you can help me with because I want to find where these pictures are are coming from. I want to find where these videos are coming from because you know I know Brian, you're never going to be behind the camera on any of these videos. Like you're never going to be one taking a picture of a kid getting hurt or taking a picture of even, you know, someone younger like having sex or anything like that. You're not that type of guy.
But I think there's been people online and by think I mean no. There's been people online that have tried to well, not tried, have sent you some stuff like that. But I think we can kinda backtrack and find out where that's coming from and work our way up that way. You know what I'm saying? Mhmm.
So I'm just I kinda wanna ask, like, what's a time frame where that's kinda happened? Where it started happening? Because this is something we can turn around and go after those real bad guys. And I kinda wanna know the platform too because that's important. So, you know, if we're cleaning out a bunch of shit, we gotta start with who are the most shit is.
Right?
Speaker 1: Well, to be honest, there is somebody that is trying to talk to me about stuff, and they sent me a couple of videos whether these girls are young or not.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: I can't I can't tell. But obviously, I'm trying to troll them along and stuff and What
Speaker 0: happened to Sean?
Speaker 1: Facebook.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And she's asking people for money. And apparently, she's talking to some guy about sending her a gift card.
Speaker 0: Okay. It
Speaker 1: was a Itunes gift card. That's right. It was a Itunes gift card to send to her so that way she can send him videos of her friends. Mhmm. So I don't know what's going on with that yet.
Speaker 0: So what videos have they sent you? And I'm not saying this is, like, your fault or anything. I'm just I'm just saying we definitely wanna
Speaker 1: alright. I don't even remember the person's name.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: As you can tell, I'm trying to talk to a lot of people here.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: Weed out people. Right. I was hurt. Ashley. Those are the videos that she sent.
Speaker 0: Okay. Alright.
Speaker 1: So whether this I don't know what her prerogative is.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. Right.
Speaker 1: But I'm working on that right now.
Speaker 0: Okay. How old is Ashley saying she is?
Speaker 1: Well, judging by that young, but I don't remember what age.
Speaker 0: Good chance. Are there Lydia's of herself or You don't have to you don't have to pull them up.
Speaker 1: No. They're not of herself. Okay. There are others that that sent it to her and her.
Speaker 0: Okay. Are those, like, friends from school, she says? Or
Speaker 1: No. She said they're just friends online.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: That she she's into girls and boys, and then she's had them send her stuff, and she sent them stuff with her. Okay. Whether that's true, I highly doubt it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I know. For sure. So what's kinda going on with those videos she sent? And again, this isn't your videos.
It's just kinda what she sent. I think it could be some potential stuff there.
Speaker 1: Her point her having them play with themselves.
Speaker 0: Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. Just how those girls look to you. And I'm not saying look.
I'm not saying that this is stuff you enjoy, but it's obviously some shit that you watched that we can kinda turn around and say, hey. Look. This is where this is coming from? Because we can always just track
Speaker 1: record them. They look courage.
Speaker 0: Which is
Speaker 1: They look like
Speaker 0: what and what are they doing in those videos?
Speaker 1: Dancing, playing, groping, all that.
Speaker 0: Groping what?
Speaker 1: Just like
Speaker 0: k. Or do they any anywhere they're, like, fingering themselves? Or
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. So they're doing that in the videos. 1. Okay.
Speaker 1: I wonder. We got 1. Sure. The other wasn't of anything inappropriate. It was the girl bent over, fully clothed, shaking.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got it. Got it. Have have has anybody tried to, bring you into the dark web at all? No?
Got it. So that's that's one example. That's and that's pretty recent. Are there any other well, I shouldn't be asking. Are there?
I mean, I I know there are. Especially when you're in this line of work, it's always gonna happen to us, you know. It's it's it's fair
Speaker 1: game. I see it all the time in the grocery store. Not this kind of stuff, but, like, people getting messed with
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Buying gift cards for something that they shouldn't.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. No. A 100%. But has any has anybody else or I should ask really when have but one one or some other times on other apps?
Or maybe it's all on Facebook. I don't know. But what are some other times that people have sent you, like, videos like that of, like, younger ladies under 18, like, doing shit to themselves and all that?
Speaker 1: Because To be honest, that was the first.
Speaker 0: That was the first? That was the first. Okay. What about on Telegram?
Speaker 1: I've never got any young people on Telegram.
Speaker 0: Okay. So just just that right there? Yeah. Okay. Anything, like, previously on MySpace though?
Or actually, would those people on MySpace just send you pictures willy nilly? Pretty much.
Speaker 1: I I mean, I don't have anything there anymore.
Speaker 0: No. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh. It was it was horrible fast then. It was just full of spam all the time. Mhmm. Full of fakes.
Hey. Do this and do that. That kind of stuff.
Speaker 0: What would people send you on Myspace?
Speaker 1: Most of the time, it was freaking troll y stuff like, memes. That's the word I'm looking for. For sure. Not a bunch of memes.
Speaker 0: No. I know. But we're both trying to save kids here. Just when would it kinda deviate into that stuff on my space?
Speaker 1: Like, how would people get into that conversation, you mean?
Speaker 0: No. No. No. Like, I mean, what are some situation on Myspace if there were where they would just send similar stuff that actually sent you there?
Speaker 1: I don't know. People would just, like, randomly message you on there. Really? Kinda like on Facebook. Yeah.
Except Facebook has more measures on people messaging you when you don't have the best friends.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then they just randomly message you and be like, hey. Hey. Uh-huh. And then you finally be like, hello? With a question mark.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the conversation starts. And then or, hey. I'm really interested in you. Or, hey. You're really handsome.
That kind of stuff. Then the the competition just goes on from there.
Speaker 0: Okay. What was probably the youngest age new that was sent to you on my on my space? Yeah. I'm not saying this is your fault. I'm just saying, like, how you how you
Speaker 1: go. It's just a lot.
Speaker 0: Yeah. If you had to guess, I'm not I'm not saying you have a exact age.
Speaker 1: I'd say, like, 15, 16.
Speaker 0: Okay. A lot of promiscuous chicks on there, man. They're everywhere. Yeah. No shit.
Just kind of back to this. I mean, it seems that the conversation was pretty cordial. Hugs cutie. Come join me in bed and blah blah blah blah blah. So how did I mean, besides the dick fix, we always kinda talk about this conversation.
Speaker 1: What what do you mean?
Speaker 0: With Heidi.
Speaker 1: Oh, me and her talking, and then, just basically talking, flirting, that kind of stuff. And then next thing I know is we can do more. Hey. Sure. I'm alone.
Hey. I'm alone too. And I'm in bed. I'm in bed. All the
Speaker 0: above. Mhmm. What did y'all kinda talk about doing to each other, if anything?
Speaker 1: Hugs, kisses. Okay. The norm. For sure. I'm getting a fight.
Do you know how to say it? I'm not here to judge
Speaker 0: you, man. I know we're on the same team.
Speaker 1: Just just basic shit. Like, just trying to get the people to come forward and see if I can actually out somebody that, hey, I'm not a real person. Mhmm. Which the way she talked, I knew it wasn't. I I there's no way
Speaker 0: Well well, you you told me that your plan today was they thought she was real and your plan was to make sure she was on the right path.
Speaker 1: But I kept I kept leading towards the not real because that's how this all always goes is these people aren't real and they're just trying to trouble you and get you money.
Speaker 0: Okay. But did she ever ask you for money?
Speaker 1: Well, no. See, that's the thing.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: That's what confused me. Right. And that's why I was very confused.
Speaker 0: And that's why I think you showed up here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because you
Speaker 0: thought because I obviously, if she asked you for money, I I think you would think she was fake. But since she didn't, I think well, like you told me earlier, I think you thought she was real and you were trying to get her
Speaker 1: right back. I just my mind was all over the place, sir.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. And before I kinda read more of this, I mean, was was anything, like, said that was that could be taken as more than flirty? Like, a little bit risque or sexual?
Speaker 1: What do you mean exactly?
Speaker 0: Like, was there anything any talk about, like, hey, let's do this together. Or, hey, I, you know, I want you to do this to me or that to me.
Speaker 1: Oh. No.
Speaker 0: No? Okay. So, I'm seeing something here about, you know, does your kitty have hair? Something about, you know, I wanna kinda finger you and you know, put my put my pee pee on your kitty ringing a bell?
Speaker 1: Yep. That rings a
Speaker 0: bell now. Okay.
Speaker 1: So that was said just to try to get to see what the conversation would lead to.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Of course. Of course. And,
Speaker 1: I didn't want I didn't want them to think that I wasn't trying to be forthcoming.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And be like, hey. I'm just trolling here and I wanted this to believe that I'm being Mhmm. Then and then I just wanted to see where the conversation would lead. Hey, if I said this, what would she ask?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I said this, what would her response be?
Speaker 0: So there's something about a little bullet vibrator.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. That was that was a troll. Okay. I
Speaker 0: know it's a troll, but where is it right now?
Speaker 1: At my house. Okay. I did not do it.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago Mhmm. That I bought a a thing with an x Mhmm. 2 years ago and then they sent me a free a thing with them in the mail. It's the thing I got.
Speaker 0: Like a bullet vibrator? Okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why? Yeah.
Speaker 0: How so how does a bullet vibrator even work?
Speaker 1: It just vibrates. Okay. Is this, like,
Speaker 0: a remote control or something? No.
Speaker 1: No. This this literally just like that, but it gets got a little button on it.
Speaker 0: Okay. I see. I see. So you'll talk so this stuff that wasn't talked about, like, that I'm gonna gonna rub you and, you know, touch your kitty and finger you and all that stuff. Where did y'all talk about that happening anywhere?
Like, was this supposed to happen in McDonald's? Or where did y'all talk about that happening?
Speaker 1: She kept trying to say, let's here.
Speaker 0: Hey.
Speaker 1: What do you do wanna do there? Hey. What do you wanna do here? Mhmm. And I started playing along.
Hey. Yeah. We can do that here or there. Where was here?
Speaker 0: Here. Yeah. But, like, out of the open or No. No. In the case.
Like yeah. I know. I mean, obviously, like, pretend I'm retard well, I am kinda retarded. Pretend I'm fully retarded. I have no idea, like, like, where we're here.
Like, where was he here to
Speaker 1: talk about? Just in a, a secure area. Just out of nowhere. I
Speaker 0: Okay. So just out in the open here or, like
Speaker 1: In a car. In a car.
Speaker 0: In a
Speaker 1: hotel who I I wouldn't be able to get in a hotel.
Speaker 0: But Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the back of the car or in the car or
Speaker 0: That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 1: Just trying to get this played along with.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. So Brian, a lot of these messages, you know, I'd hold you close to the spoon you, try to lick your nipples. One of them you said you put a koala bear stuffed animal in between your, legs. You said open your legs and rub your finger faster than between your lips.
Sexy girl's kinda guiding her on how to kinda touch herself. Okay? And, you know, that's not the only message that we have to Heidi of that happening. We have messages to an Ariel. We have messages to a lot of other people with that kind of same language being used, and that's totally fine.
You know, it's Internet bullshit. I get it. But, you know, Brian, you told me that you haven't had a girlfriend in God knows how long. Few years. Yeah.
Yeah. It's been a few years. Okay? And look, Heidi isn't, she's not 5 or 4. Alright?
And I I fully understand we're on the same team here. I understand your coworkers that are younger probably turned to you and are like, hey. This guy was creepy to me. You're probably here to protect them, which I I I fully understand. But, you know, we also need to be a little bit honest about what we're here to do today.
Okay? Because I'm here my intention here is to talk to somebody that I think is pretty honest about everything. I mean, you give me some good info on what people are doing online that are actually bad. Okay. But that doesn't mean that we make that we don't make mistakes.
I mean, I'm sure it's fucking everybody makes mistakes. I'm sure it's fucking not perfect. You're not perfect. They're not perfect. But, you know, it's how we kind of overcome and address what happens because the only person who is perfect, you know, if you're a Christian, you'd say it's Jesus.
If you're if you're Muslim, you'd say it's Muhammad. If you're a Jew, you'd say it's I don't God. No. Whatever. Whatever.
But yeah. What what separates you from other people isn't the fact that you don't make mistakes. It isn't the fact that
Speaker 1: You learn from your mistakes. Right. It's how you overcome your
Speaker 0: Exactly. Because every everybody on earth makes mistakes, but not everybody overcomes and learns from them. Human. 100%. So I think now, Brian, we should probably separate ourselves because, you know, I was trying to the reason why I asked if you had a girlfriend the past couple of years is because, you know, I was trying to get engaged.
Like, you know, if you had, you know, if you had crazy sex with your girlfriend yesterday and you were here, I'd be kind of, Brian, what in the fuck is wrong with you? But like, but if you're saying it's been a few years and you're just working all the time, taking care of grandma, this is kind of makes it more understandable. And the fact that she wasn't like a toddler, she wasn't like, 5, 6, 7. That's different too. That's Jesus Christ.
Yeah. There's no excuse for any that. Yes. There's no excuse for any of that. And I'll tell you that most of the people that we kinda come across with this stuff are into that type of stuff.
And I I don't get that vibe from you. That's why I'm still talking to you for so long. So, Ryan, look. I I need you to just kinda be a little bit more transparent. You've been transparent about everything else.
We're 95% of the way there. But we both know, because you're a guy. I'm a guy. We have hormones and shit, if I haven't had sex in fucking 5 years, I don't know what I'd be doing either. So with with that being said, I I know dang well that we probably weren't at McDonald's today to just go give a life lesson to somebody.
It might have been your intention at first when you first messaged her but, you know, it seems like you got a little bit carried away. It seems she got a little bit carried away. And it seems kinda like, you know, 2 are playing at this. It wasn't just you just overbearing. It wasn't her just being crazy either.
It was kinda a 2 party thing here. So I kinda wanna ask, what I'm here to figure out is your true intentions not just, you know, life lesson. I mean, that's fine. You can tell me that at first but because we're all a little bit defensive at first. It's fucking I understand that.
But I'm more of here today if anything was gonna be forced or if the stuff in the car was gonna be her decision or consensual. That's what I'm trying to figure out today. That's that's the real reason why I'm trying to talk to you. Okay? And I know and the stuff you told me about the other people, the other shit, that makes me convinced that you actually do care about this and that you actually are here to protect people.
So I understand that both can be true at once. You can be here to, you know, have some action for the first time in a few years and you can care about protecting people at once. I don't it's mutually exclusive. So if I thought you were gonna kidnap her, I wouldn't be talking to you. If I thought you were gonna You're listening.
Yeah. If if I if I thought there wasn't gonna be a Heidi tomorrow, I wouldn't be talking to you. If that's the case, tell me, but I don't think it is. So I'm willing to write that off already. But I'm kinda here to figure out what was gonna happen in the car.
Whether it was gonna be forced, whether it was gonna be kinda her ballpark. And it's okay. I'm just kinda here to figure it out.
Speaker 1: In all honesty Mhmm. You I am being transparent with you. Mhmm. 100%. I would never force myself on anybody
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Ever. Well, I appreciate that. Especially with asking people for money. Hey, give me this, give me that, or hey, grandma, or hey
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Kid over there Yeah.
Speaker 0: This, you know, for sure.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I am the true belief that, force does not need to happen ever.
Speaker 0: Okay. That's good to know.
Speaker 1: Force should never happen Mhmm. At any point in time in anybody's life. Mhmm. Because I've been forced to do things when I was a kid, not inappropriate things.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just like, hey, my brother beat me up to give me my in
Speaker 0: my money. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or beat me up to not say something. That kind of stuff. I I was always forced into that kind of
Speaker 0: That's a little bit inappropriate in another way. But yeah. But
Speaker 1: Brothers. Brothers.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Same same same shit with me, though. It's fine.
Speaker 1: But in no shape, way way, shape, or form was I going to be forcing anybody to do anything or show anything inappropriate today. Okay. I do wanted to have a conversation with her if it was going to go down. Mhmm. And I wanted her to be aware, hey, they're dangerous people.
Mhmm. There's people that coulda took her from the bike that she said she was gonna
Speaker 0: be. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, you gotta be careful with that kind of stuff. It's dangerous world out there. For sure.
Speaker 0: A lot
Speaker 1: of crazy people. There's there could be crazy people in those cars there.
Speaker 0: Of course. Like if
Speaker 1: you can that somebody. I mean, you just gotta be careful in life and I want people to understand that. Mhmm. I don't want anybody to get hurt. I don't want you to
Speaker 0: to get hurt. I don't
Speaker 1: want you guys to get hurt.
Speaker 0: I don't want you guys
Speaker 1: to get hurt.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. 100%. But not everybody's a decent guy, you know?
Speaker 1: No. Not at all. Right. And I try to be a decent guy at work and I try to help people the best that I can. Mhmm.
And whether you believe me or not, I I I honestly don't care if you believe me or not. It's just that's my honest truth. I
Speaker 0: do believe you. But I like I said, I think I think 2 things could be true at once. I think you would have that conversation with her about there's a lot there's people out there that would actually try to hurt you, which you wouldn't be one of them. But I also think too that, hey, this is a girl that's been talking to you, a female that's been talking to you for the past, I don't know how many months.
Speaker 1: Is it nice to have a conversation with somebody that has that shows feelings? Yes. It's nice to have somebody that has feelings.
Speaker 0: Right. And I and I think that's what it is. I don't I don't think I don't think you're thinking like, yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna finger Heidi or I'm gonna have Heidi play with my dick because because, oh, she's young. I like that.
I think it's more of an emotional thing. Especially, because you haven't had a girlfriend a few years, little bit grandma. I know how that can be really isolated.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: It can be isolated. So that that's what I'm trying to figure out, Brian, what was supposed to happen in the in like, what was gonna happen in the car today, like, in in your mind? Like, I'm I'm really
Speaker 1: Just what I said right there. Conversation. Right. And
Speaker 0: I Well, I'm gonna stop you right there, Brian. I I I'm just curious about the the sexual stuff because, you know, I'm not naive. I know I know where the bullet is.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know. I I know you're not naive.
Speaker 0: Okay. I know I know how guys operate. I'm I'm a guy. Okay? But, there's 2 things.
I know how people that I wanna hurt people operate, and I know how guys operate. You're you're just coming like you're coming off like a guy to me. Okay? You're not coming off someone that wants to hurt somebody. But I do need to know what was gonna happen in the car.
Like, I wanna know how much of this was gonna be forced versus consent. You say it's not gonna be forced, but I wanna know kind of what the plan was for the car. Because, yeah. I believe the conversation was gonna happen. Like, hey.
There's dangerous people out there. Okay? Mhmm. But I also believe, and by believe I mean no damn well. I mean, I had a girlfriend in this long, you live with grandma, that there's some other stuff that was gonna happen.
Okay? And I just wanna know how it was gonna go down. I'm not gonna argue with you on whether it was gonna happen or not because we're we're guys. We're not dumb. But I'm more curious about how it was gonna go down.
Like, what was, you know, was it gonna be her decision? Your decision? Like, I'm just curious how that was gonna go down. That's all. That's all I'm interested in hearing, man.
Speaker 1: Okay. Mhmm. In my mind, not my decision. Yeah. I would've hurt.
Speaker 0: Okay. So what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like, after the conversation, talk, see how see where things lead because obviously, she's no guy.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: But would I want to on my terms with somebody underage? No. Okay.
Speaker 0: So this is gonna be her terms.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. So this
Speaker 1: I I would I would not try anything. Was I trying to get her to meet? Yes. Okay. Just
Speaker 0: to, obviously. Sure. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Would would I try to stimulate anything? No.
Speaker 0: Okay. So all the so all the fingering, the dick rubbing, that would have only happened if she's willing and okay with it? Or if she makes that move? Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. So Would I want to? No.
Speaker 0: Well, I mean, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I mean,
Speaker 0: I'm not well, let's not pretend you didn't want that. I mean, you're a guy who hasn't had sex in 5 years.
Speaker 1: She was real and then came up to me and just, like, shoved her hand, like, off my shirt and stuff like that. I'd be like,
Speaker 0: mhmm. Yes. I I right. Right. But they, you know, and I don't I don't think you do see Heidi in public never know never talking to her and be like, yeah.
Come on. Let's go, baby. But, you know, after a 5 month conversation, after, you know, after kinda getting to know each other a little bit, that's a whole different story. It's it's not the same thing. So
Speaker 1: I I I don't wanna be a creep, and I'm never gonna be a creep. And I don't want you guys to think about creep.
Speaker 0: No. I I definitely don't think that. I I mean, I think you're a good dude. So how so could it have gone farther than what was in the chat? Because, you know, in the chat we talked about like just fingering and kinda rubbing your penis against her vagina.
Could would it have gone farther than that? Or is that as far as it would've gone? Or It's gone farther. Okay. So what's okay.
So the forest that would've gone is just what it there's when the farthest would have gone
Speaker 1: Touchy feely.
Speaker 0: Okay. So just kinda fingering a little bit or
Speaker 1: Not even that. Touchy feely?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: Touchy. It might hang and punchy or rub rub your belly or rub your legs.
Speaker 0: Okay. Alright. Well, I'm bringing up the I'm bringing up the, and I know it's Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know what the chat says. I I really do. Okay. I know where you're going.
Speaker 0: Right. Right.
Speaker 1: I was I'm saying that stuff just to try to get to the person to get a rise.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Just to try to help the situation. So that way, I could explain things.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, you know, I I don't think you were gonna rape anybody today. Okay. I don't think you'd ever do that in general.
Speaker 1: I've never.
Speaker 0: But I but I also for
Speaker 1: 2 years.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But I also don't think a guy who hasn't had sex in 5 years is just gonna be touchy feely. I wanna know truly, like, how far it was gonna go. I'm a touchy feely is probably just not the truth. Okay?
Like, what what was your full plan? Like, I know I know where the bullet is. Okay? I know where the bullet is. I don't I don't I don't first of all, you can't even own a gun in Illinois, so it wouldn't be at home.
No. I'm just kidding. Just made a joke. But, but I I know where the bullet is. Okay?
Like, I know where the bullet is. So, I'm just curious, man. Like, I'm curious about the bullet. I'm curious about if the thing or something is gonna be forced. I'm curious if sex was gonna happen.
I wanna know, like, what could've happened, what what was not gonna happen, all that stuff. Just tell the truth, man.
Speaker 1: Sex was not gonna happen. Okay.
Speaker 0: I said. Fine.
Speaker 1: The bullet the bullet was to give to her Okay. As a a gift.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Hey. I'm gonna talk to her. Hey. I'm gonna give her a gift. Okay.
I was not I had no intentions on using it.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: No sex, just like I said. And the doing the fingering thing Mhmm. Would not be forced. I I wouldn't even
Speaker 0: So is the farthest it would've gone today is just fingering on her terms? Yep. Okay. I appreciate your honesty. Okay.
Where's the bullet right now? Is it in your pocket or in the car? I think it's in the car. God, you know you know so funny? You could you could literally, like, take a toddler to Illinois and just do the worst thing to them, and you would get in less trouble than if you had an actual bullet in the car.
Probably at this point.
Speaker 1: So I'm
Speaker 0: just may may I see the bullet though, please?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's hard.
Speaker 0: Okay. Can you can you go ahead?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. But things this world is crazy.
Speaker 0: It is, man. It is. Hey, can you just go can you just go toss this? That's going to some nasty ass fried tickles over there, dude. Goddamn.
Around
Speaker 1: McDonald's. Yeah. True.
Speaker 0: How much they pay you an hour there at a
Speaker 1: place? Enough.
Speaker 0: Okay. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I know it's I know it's intrusive, but it's all good. Oh, Oh, I mean, do you get, like, benefits and all that health care and all that?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. Cool.
Speaker 1: It's, it's dental, IL, So it's the same.
Speaker 0: Shell casing. Yeah. You haven't used this at all yet, have you? Okay. I was gonna say it in the fucking weird weird ass shit.
See you. Oh, shit. It's actually a bullet.
Speaker 1: Holy That's literally what it's called.
Speaker 0: It's so so The weirdest thing. Are these like anal beads? The fuck is this?
Speaker 1: Those are batteries.
Speaker 0: Oh. Dude, yes. See, I'm not I'm not really into sex toys, man. Like, it's not really my thing.
Speaker 1: The only reason I know what it is is because somebody freaking told me one time.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God damn. Do you ever buy that phone for her?
Speaker 1: What? Ever
Speaker 0: buy that phone for her? I don't know. No. Okay. Got it.
Speaker 1: I think she had phone numbers, like, the phone.
Speaker 0: Yeah. If you bought a phone number, man, I don't take that shit. But no. I'm just kidding. Here, I was gonna go over there.
I I have a few more things I kinda wanna go over that that are actually about other people online too. Not not people that have talked to you, but to other people in general that are up to some fuck shit, if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: What? How come someone just stick a piece of plastic in their fucking ass, man? No.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. I'm very green when it comes to sex toys, man.
Speaker 1: That's just something that vibrates. Just to touch yourself.
Speaker 0: Wait. So if I were to just press down, this just vibrates? Oh, shit. Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Apparently, guys use some poop.
Speaker 0: You know from experience? Or I do. Yeah. You do. Don't.
I was just kidding.
Speaker 1: I've heard from others. Like, there was a chat thing that people would talk. They're like, oh, yeah. He's a fucking Viperator. My foot, I'm like,
Speaker 0: what the fuck? Where the
Speaker 1: fuck was that chat at? That was a freaking some 3 d chat thing.
Speaker 0: IMVU. Oh, that sounds not sketchy.
Speaker 1: I I've actually never really met anybody underage on earth. Oh. An adult.
Speaker 0: Interesting. The weirdest sounding one is, like, the cleanest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like, okay. You guys are fucking weird. Get away
Speaker 0: from me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you sure this isn't for yourself?
100%. Alright. Because I was gonna sworn AOC's boyfriend would be into that type of shit. Alright. Interesting.
Okay.
Speaker 1: And I've never used it.
Speaker 0: Yep. I didn't even turn it on.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like that, but I don't know what the hell's going on
Speaker 0: with it. Yeah. This is fascinating.
Speaker 1: I can't even pay for it. I'm just fucking free. They give it to me free. What the fuck is this?
Speaker 0: Cool, man. Jesus Christ. Fucking great. I love it. I fucking love it.
Dude,
Speaker 1: have you seen some shit they have?
Speaker 0: Where? Freaking sex toys. No. You fucking weird shit. I bet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So where'd you where'd you buy this? No.
Speaker 1: It's good right now. I
Speaker 0: guess. Okay. Has anybody ever told you you look like me?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 0: Well, you kinda look like me.
Speaker 1: No. I don't know who you are.
Speaker 0: Well, I'm saying, like, we kind of look alike.
Speaker 1: As little.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I know. Are you like a Irish ancestry or? I'm British and German. Okay.
Got it.
Speaker 1: That's why I did take the medicine I worked for.
Speaker 0: And not bitch and bitch and bone. Yeah. That's a very noble concept that I think a lot of people could learn from in this country. That's a whole other conversation. Especially creepers.
Yeah. I see a lot of creepers. Alright.
Speaker 1: I don't like creepers.
Speaker 0: No. I definitely
Speaker 1: I get that even TV sometimes.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So so I wanna ask about, I wanna ask on about some other shit, like, so so why did Ashley just kinda send you those videos?
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. I just I I asked her, hey, what's going on? And she's like, hey, I'm waiting for a gift card from this guy.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Why? And she's like, because I need money. And then she's like, I'm gonna be sending him videos.
Speaker 0: How much was the gift card?
Speaker 1: It's 50.
Speaker 0: 50? Yeah. I see. What what was like the gift card too like?
Speaker 1: It was Itunes.
Speaker 0: Itunes?
Speaker 1: It is either Itunes or app. Okay. I'll snip one of those too. Okay. It wasn't Amazon or anything like that.
So it's definitely iTunes.
Speaker 0: Got it. Got it.
Speaker 1: So I I don't know how to do that and get money off by iTunes gift cards.
Speaker 0: So So she she sent she sent you those videos for free?
Speaker 1: I never sent her anything. She just randomly sent Okay. Because I'm like, so what are the videos of? And then
Speaker 0: Right. Then she sends that crazy shit. I'm a I just wanna ask you in the most respectful way possible because, you know, like I said, good people can get carried away with shit sometimes, especially when you're in this line of work. Like, I I get it can happen, man. Have you ever made any purchases that you probably regret?
Like, with gift cards or anything? Like, have you ever made a purchase where you're like, oh, I shouldn't have bought that. Maybe buying that was not the best idea. Anything like that? No.
Okay. Because, you know, we have a Myspace one from years ago. Any other anything recent?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. What's happened?
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't anything for this. Like, this kind of stuff. It was an honest mistake from somebody I shouldn't have done.
Speaker 0: How many times that happened? Once. Once? What what was it? What was the context?
Speaker 1: The lady was at the register buying a gift card. She was on her phone and told the cashier, hey. I want $250 gift card. And the cashier's like, 250, and she's like, yeah. And then she said it again, and she said, yeah.
Mhmm. And then the transaction went through. And she was like, I said, $50. Yeah. So instead of having to send me all this to her screen, all this stuff, I just know I just tried to buy it to you.
I can't instead of regretted it.
Speaker 0: So you spent $200 on her?
Speaker 1: Alright. I got it.
Speaker 0: Alright. Alright.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Brian. Brian. Brian.
Speaker 1: I, I was I was a little, a little depressed that day.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Brian. I don't know. I think I stopped you right there, man. Talking about online, like, with this Facebook shit.
Speaker 1: I know. I told you it wasn't. I told you that wasn't part of that. That's just what happened there. Yeah.
No. I have not done I have not had or I have not actually paid anybody's stuff to be.
Speaker 0: Okay. Have you paid for videos to be sent? Because we can see transactions, man. And I'm having a very hard time trying to put 2 and 2 together that what's $50 to somebody else is free to you. It's kinda not computing.
And again, we can all get carried away buying shit. Okay? It's not like you're the one behind the camera, but I'm just asking that you I'm just gonna ask you straight up because you've been so transparent with me and honest, and I appreciate it and you're somebody that I think needs to be in society actually helping out people. And I think today is just more about let's get on the right path of that. Let's just make sure we don't deviate.
Speaker 1: So so what do you what do you ask? Well, I
Speaker 0: was gonna ask you straight up. Did you buy those videos? No. No? No.
Okay. Has there been any situation where you've made a purchase and then they send you, like, a video of what looks to be an underage kid kind of doing some things or stuff happening to them? Because if you have, it's fine, but it's more like a I wanna
Speaker 1: You're asking if I've made a purchase for that?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: No. I
Speaker 0: have not. No. Okay. How many times do you think something like that's been sent to you? Just for free?
Speaker 1: Once.
Speaker 0: Once. Right. Okay. Yeah. What's up?
What what what what's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? Hey.
Hey. Hey. Hey. How you doing? Yeah, man.
We're good. Just don't say what it's for. It isn't No. I feel
Speaker 1: like I have to. That's crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's crazy you're here right now.
Speaker 0: Yeah, man. Yeah. It's good to see you again, man. Good to
Speaker 1: see you again. Come on, gang.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Good to see you again, bro. Who's here to be? Oh, bro. We're just we're just talking.
A 10 year old?
Speaker 1: A 12 year old? 12? Oh my god. That's terrible. You feel the cold cops?
Speaker 0: Oh, dude. I mean, I'm just talking to him. I'm I'm just talking to him, but, you know. Got it. Alright.
Keep working. Alright, bro. Yeah. Take care, man. What in the shit?
I think that motherfucker probably called him. I'll I'll I'll talk to him. I'll I'll vouch for you, man.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 0: I do. I think that guy probably just called because he thought it was some bullshit like this.
Speaker 1: Oh, bullshit might work.
Speaker 0: Like, where there, you know, it's just the whole catfish shit. I'm gonna talk to him. Hi. How's it going, sir? Who's Pablo?
Speaker 1: Who's what? Pablo?
Speaker 0: Oh. Yeah. We're we're just having a conversation here. Brian, you're not gonna meet a 12 year old again, are you? This is the last last time doing that?
Speaker 1: No. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. You're not gonna send a 12 year old dick pic ever again, are you? No. Last time doing that? Yeah.
Okay. And you're gonna get rid of that child porn that idiot sent you. Right? Okay. So it's kind of what's going on here officer and Go ahead.
Tell me what's going on here. So, Brian came to meet a 12 year old girl for sexual pleasures and sent her, his penis picture twice And also, somebody online sent him child pornography. This is all kinda just told to you right there from him and then from me as well, and it's all on camera. And we just wanna turn them in. We were in East Moline, like, in, January and a similar situation happened and, you know, it went well.
So k. And who are you, sir? My name is Alex Rosen. And you're with who? It's called Predator Poachers.
Predator Poachers. What's your name, bud?
Speaker 1: My name is Brian Taylor.
Speaker 0: Can you take your hands out of your pockets for me? Yes, sir. Oh, I forgot Stu, sir. He also brought this vibrator for her. Okay.
So hang tight a second. Do you have an ID, bud?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Let's see if we In my pocket. That's fine. You guys do you have an ID? Yeah. It's in the corner.
May I go get
Speaker 1: it? Sure. Alright.
Speaker 0: Here's the one of this. You're Mexican. Take bullet. No. I was just like, dude, I was like,
Speaker 1: The handcuffs? West Ham?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Albeit there was some wind, but
Speaker 0: No. I I appreciate the the heads up
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Alright, guys. Just what we do. I hope he gets arrested. I mean, I think he will. I mean, our last cash, he's more lean, like, 2 months ago was arrested.
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Video Transcript AI Summary
In this video transcript, two individuals, Speaker 0 and Speaker 1, engage in a conversation addressing Speaker 1's involvement in inappropriate activities. Speaker 0 confronts Speaker 1 about his use of the Telegram app for sharing illegal content and his interest in the dark web. Speaker 0 emphasizes the importance of seeking help and rehabilitation, urging Speaker 1 to be honest and transparent. They express a desire to identify individuals responsible for a video involving a young boy. The conversation revolves around supporting Speaker 1 in seeking therapy and addressing his disorder. Additionally, the video features a predator caught by a group called Predator Poachers, who admits to having an interest in incest and pedophilic disorder. The group provides evidence of his intentions and the presence of child pornography on his phone. The police are called, and an arrest is expected to happen soon. The video encourages viewers to watch the first part on a different platform for more details.
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Speaker 0: Here we sent to Haley. I had all my dirty pictures in a special place that nobody can get to. Software programmers could probably find it, but I've got all that worked out too. I've been studying how to do that for years. I love dirty pictures.
So I'm willing to
Speaker 1: You're so vicious.
Speaker 0: What? I'm trying to
Speaker 1: Well, I'm willing to work. You're not do you're not doing anything. You're trying to you're trying to destroy people. No. You're destroying me.
Speaker 0: I I think your ride's over there.
Speaker 1: Have me arrested.
Speaker 0: Me? No. I'm not gonna arrest you.
Speaker 1: What's what's gonna happen? Come on. Let me get over this.
Speaker 0: So when they talk to us, I'll just be sure to, like, be in your corner. Okay? Sound good?
Speaker 1: Sound good?
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Speaker 0: I mean, if he if he I mean, if he produces an address, then I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Yep. Right.
Speaker 0: But or I'm about to go live.
Speaker 3: K.
Speaker 1: Alright. Bye.
Speaker 3: Don't say who it is. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Yep. And it's Philip Sharp in the wild there. Kinda looks like Jamie
Speaker 1: from nowhere.
Speaker 0: He does. Somehow somehow like a more just unhinged crazy version. Well, Jamie wasn't that unhinged. He was just on Tuesday. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Philip is definitely not, but alright. Dude, he's legit doing it, bro. He's not expecting this.
I was not expecting it either. Well, I kinda was, but I'm just kinda shocked it's happening. I mean, we would've been here all day. I wasn't expecting it, but
Speaker 1: Bruh.
Speaker 0: Dude, this is nuts. Like, this is When we, when we first arrived, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay in the car for, like, 3 minutes, hang on a ride. Because if I sit here now, people are gonna complain. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Maybe, you know, maybe just, since since I want you out of the car, maybe just go just live out. Right? Just fucking just do it without the RTMP. I'm sure.
Yeah. Alright, guys. So we have this live catch coming up. We see that we see the guy that we're getting right now. The only catch is we're not getting him right now.
He's taking an Uber to a county that we think is going to arrest that we we bought the Uber already. We're not doing the undercover thing and he's not that dumb. He's taking an Uber to a county we think is gonna arrest and here's the other cash. I mean, we're we're looking at him right now. I'm not gonna flip the camera, though.
He we're he's taking an Uber to to a county that I think is gonna arrest, and here's the catch, we've caught this guy before, and we're we're making sure we do this in a place that we think is getting a rest. And this guy has, let's just say he's more loaded this time than last time. That's all I'm gonna say. You don't wanna miss this one. I'm not doing any promo codes.
No discounts. This is $8 is cheap for this. Well, in general, it is. But, you know, whatever. Especially for this.
So this cash is gonna be all locals. We have caught this guy before. And this guy had one of the most insane this guy is one of the most insane guys you ever caught, when it comes to just crazy reactions. So I'm not gonna say who it is. If you were on Locals, or the Rumble streams you have a hint of I've kind of given hints the past couple days.
This is not the guy this is not the daddy daughter catch, I'll say that. But this is a guy I've said that if you know, you know. That's all I can say. So join up on locals. Alright.
Press that red join button. Mods, please link it. Tingi's linking it. Local's only $8. We have 70 catches early and uncensored.
He's currently waiting on his Uber right now as we speak. I mean, Frere is just filming him waiting on the Uber right now. It's not Dave. It's not Dave. We've caught this guy before.
Alright? And, no, this cache is gonna be on locals. So join up. It's very cheap. We have 70 catches early and uncensored on there.
Most live catches are on locals. This guy we've caught before, he's cuckoo. This will be interesting, I think. APP is linking it. Oh, his ride's here.
His ride's here. Uh-oh. Is it Ashley? Yeah. It's his ride.
That's his he's gotta get the car. He's gotta get the car. Alright. I'm I'm gonna flip it for this. You have a good shot?
Alfredo? Yeah. Oh my god. Okay. Wait.
Hold on. You didn't tell me wait. Is it the place where you're staying? We stand. Yeah.
This guy is getting his Uber right now. We're we're gonna let it go around the corner then follow them. Oh, I hope it doesn't come this way though. If it doesn't, I'm definitely gonna recline my seat. Is it this 1?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Just take the quickest way there. If you gotta do tools, it's fine. Alright. His What's this, Victor? Alright, guys.
His car just the car had figured out. Him up. He just pulled up. Pulled out. We're following them.
And, so we're gonna be live on Locals in about 35 minutes, 35 to 40 minutes. It's a pretty far drive that we're taking him. I don't care. You know, we we spent $30 on this Lyft ride. It's nothing compared to, I think, what is gonna happen to this dude, I hope.
So if you wanna help us travel the most, catch the sickest, locals only $8. That is the car right there that we're following. Very cheap. We are gonna be live on locals in about 35 minutes. That's just when we're gonna be at the place.
We're just following that car. So go to that link. It's only $8. We might raise the price time this month. So join up.
Lock in at 8. It's very cheap very cheap especially for all the updates you'll get. The content with people on locals know. So join up. You don't wanna miss this catch.
We're catching this guy for the second time and hit and this is one of the most cuckoo predators we've ever caught and one of the sickest too. He's bad. Alright. Join that, y'all. Join that.
I'm gonna end the stream in probably 5 minutes. I shall do not wanna miss that. I I all I can say is y'all just don't wanna miss this one. And then the cool part is too, the cool the cool part is too that we, that this guy's first catch is on locals only. So so you'll be able to see both catches when you join up.
I'm 99% sure this catch is going down. If he's in the Uber, we're following the Uber right now. So Should I fall on her side just a bit quicker? Quicker for sure. Something to do in
Speaker 1: there? Yeah. And I
Speaker 0: don't know if his drivers have noticed her about, like Oh, yeah. Okay, guys. We're gonna be live on locals in about So now seeing a chauffeur?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: That's our boy in the car.
Speaker 1: Oh, kaboom.
Speaker 0: You're shaking a toll Mhmm. Bed. Yes. Yes. This is this is a meet up.
Yes. It is a meet up.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Hello. Hello. Hello. Let me let me know when he gets out of the car. I was off.
I'm not not keeping he's getting out. No. No. I'm telling you. He's about to go.
She getting out?
Speaker 1: Yeah. But
Speaker 0: we're gonna wait till the driver Yeah. Yeah. We're ready till the driver goes out.
Speaker 1: Look at him.
Speaker 0: Bro. God, I feel like I'm missing so many good men's right now. We'll see the footage.
Speaker 1: Right or left?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Where's that right there? Oh my god. Yeah. I couldn't kinda walk towards the room.
Oh, shit. Oh, it's locked. Oh, fuck. I think it's a good spot. He doesn't know the room's running back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I'll just do it. Let's see what he's doing. Did you put the mic behind
Speaker 2: your neck?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 0: It's actually right here.
Speaker 1: Put it a
Speaker 0: little bit more down.
Speaker 1: This way? Yeah.
Speaker 0: Right here again? Yep. Alright. Let's do it. Just smaller or you're down?
Yeah. Just just come out, like, 2 seconds after me here. Cut the car off. Hey, Philip.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir. How's it going?
Speaker 0: Got a message here. Alright? Okay. Did you kinda wanna go talk over there? I don't want anybody to kinda hear us or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Okay. I think, we've gone through all this before. Correct?
Speaker 0: Were there other things talked about too? Mhmm. Okay. Nothing that could have been, like, sexual or anything? Okay.
It was mentioned here that she says you don't want 9 to 12. And you said, actually, yes. I do, but I try to keep that quiet. So how how often is the thought of, like, a 9 to 12 kind of in your mind? Correct.
But I'm sorry about last time. I just kinda wanna get get some help and, you know, get you on your way because Haley is waiting. Okay? I just wanna kinda talk about some things and then we'll be
Speaker 1: And you wanna let me go?
Speaker 0: I have no intention of screwing you over, man. I just think you're a good dude. Alright? Sorry about last time. Kinda know everything's for your safety, and I'm not gonna hurt you or I'm not gonna scream at you like last time or anything like that.
How are you doing today, man? Yeah? No. What's up? We're you're good, Ben.
You're good. I did I did some more kinda, like, research on you. I know you're not a bad person or anything like that. Alright? I know you're good to everybody.
Speaker 1: We'll just
Speaker 0: go by those bushes over there
Speaker 1: if you don't mind. Okay? Would you
Speaker 0: mind the bushes over there? Just kinda in the shade. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How's the new place you're living at? How's the new place you're living at? Is there any way you can help me get home?
Speaker 0: I'm willing to do that.
Speaker 1: I have no money to get home.
Speaker 0: Okay. Yeah. I'll I'll help you out with everything. That's fine.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'll, I'll submit to what do they have to take, pictures like this? Well, we're
Speaker 0: on public property, and I just want you to be assured. Because, you know, last time you had a knife out, I just kinda do you have a knife on you this time?
Speaker 1: No, sir.
Speaker 0: Okay. I just want everybody to be safe here.
Speaker 1: You did a good job of, concealing all this Mhmm. As usual.
Speaker 0: Sure. Well, you know, I'm I'm willing to I'm willing to do you a solid.
Speaker 1: What what are we gonna do?
Speaker 0: I kinda well, first, let's go in the shade and just it's it's all voluntary, but let's go in
Speaker 1: the shade and just kind of, like,
Speaker 0: talk it out and, you know, I'm willing to help you out, man. That's cool.
Speaker 1: I like it. Well, I'm
Speaker 0: willing to do you some solids, bro. That's all. So, when when are you moving into the new place, you think?
Speaker 1: Sir? When are
Speaker 0: you moving into the new place?
Speaker 1: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 0: Alright. Is it better than the old one you were living at or worse or I don't know. Got you. Hopefully better than the
Speaker 1: one you're at now. K.
Speaker 0: Alright. Alright. Alright. Is ride over here okay?
Speaker 1: K.
Speaker 0: Alright. Here's good. And if anybody comes out and asks what's going on, I'm completely willing to move and change the subject in front of them. Like, I'm not trying to have anybody over here we're talking about. Does that sound cool?
Sound like a deal? Cool.
Speaker 1: Yes. I had pedophilic disorder. I have what's called pedophilic disorder.
Speaker 0: For sure.
Speaker 1: The doctor knows about it.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And I she said there's therapy for that.
Speaker 0: And that and that's kind of the route I wanna go more this time. I kinda wanna just talk it out and just go the route of health because, you know, I I know you're somebody that needs therapy, and I think you're somebody that can overcome. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Are are you just kinda willing to be honest with me about everything today?
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do you know why I'd be here talking to you? We'll start with that. Sir? Do you know why I'm I'd be talking to you right now?
Speaker 1: Yes. Because you're, after predators.
Speaker 0: Sure. But do you know why I'm in war? We're in this situation right now? Like, why am I specifically here right now? Why do you think You're
Speaker 1: here to catch me.
Speaker 0: Sure. But what was supposed to be kind of, like, what was the what was the plan about coming here? Like, that's what I'm asking. I just wanna see how honest we're being. That's all.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm just an I just have a a pedophilic disorder and, the doctor knows about it and Okay. It's just
Speaker 0: when,
Speaker 1: somebody does a good job like you Mhmm. Fooling people, it's easy for me to fall into the trap.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do you think maybe the peeling disorder got a little bit carried away today?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got it. Where were you supposed to go? Like, is there a certain room you're supposed to be at? Or
Speaker 1: No. Did
Speaker 0: she give you a room number?
Speaker 1: 310.
Speaker 0: 310? Okay. Hey, Philip, bro. I'm not mad at you, bro. Just oops.
Sorry.
Speaker 1: I was
Speaker 0: just gonna put it. Just
Speaker 1: I'm alright. Touch me.
Speaker 0: That's fine. That's fine.
Speaker 1: This is
Speaker 0: yeah. I'm not Philip, you understand? I'm not mad at you. I just wanna kinda overcome it and help you help you with this. Okay?
Because in the end, the best route for both of us is just making sure that we get help for you. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
Speaker 0: Okay. Cool. That's fine. Okay. Who's supposed to be in 3:10?
Speaker 1: Sir?
Speaker 0: Who is supposed to be in 3:10? Hailey. Okay. How old is Hailey? 13.
Alright. I appreciate your honesty. And when someone like you is honest, it tells me that you actually can get help for this. You know what I mean? It actually in my book in my book, it's definitely better, so I appreciate it, man.
What's in that I'm not gonna ask to search him, but what's in that bag? Condos. And anything else? What about lubricant?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: So what was and, again, I'm not mad at you if he's asking. What's kinda supposed to happen in the hotel room?
Speaker 1: You know, I, I don't know why I should be talking to you without
Speaker 0: I totally understand.
Speaker 1: But have all that on file, everything that, was said. Sure. So I'm not gonna say anything else.
Speaker 0: Well, Philip, you understand when we're more honest about everything. I'm more because I didn't have to come here and talk to you. You know that. Right? I could have just, you know, taken everything that we had, go another route.
But you're someone who looks in desperate need of actually getting help. And I think you actually wanna get help. Is there anything in your pockets? No? Good.
No. Okay. So it's not about this isn't about, like, me trying to crap on you or this or that because you're right. I do have everything. But, you know, when I see someone who's honest because everybody's everybody makes mistakes and gets carried away in life.
Like, I have an eating disorder and you'll probably find me at the buffet pretty often, which I shouldn't be. Right? So it it's not about whether you made a mistake or not or whether you're this or that. It doesn't matter. It's how we overcome it.
And if you're willing to show me that you're gonna that you're able to overcome it, then, hey. I'm totally fine with that. Okay? Because like I said, I'm willing to work with you on this. Just kinda work with me back.
Alright? I'm I'm willing to forget about the first time. Okay? I understand that people can get off on the wrong foot, but, hey, we're here now. I'm not screaming what's going on.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to Tell me what's gonna what's gonna happen. That's good to know.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, what basically the best possible thing is we're honest and transparent with each other and then from there, we go over some help options and I'm cool with that, man.
Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. So, what was kinda supposed to go down in the hotel room? Sorry?
Speaker 1: What was
Speaker 0: kinda supposed to go down in the hotel room?
Speaker 1: You had it all there. I'm not gonna repeat it.
Speaker 0: Okay. So would I be wrong if I said it was like sexual stuff?
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. That's kinda what
Speaker 0: was the deal was? Okay. So, kind of why I'm here talking to you, Philip, is because you're right. I do have the chats. But, you know, sexual stuff, that's a lot of things.
Right? It could be as far as like, you know, just a little bit of,
Speaker 1: you know,
Speaker 0: it could be just a blow job. Right? Or it could be all the way to, like, you know, rape and torture. You know what I mean? You know how that scale of things.
So the reason why I'm asking you what's supposed to happen is because I wanna know, like, was it gonna be consensual or forced? Because that's that's a big thing to me.
Speaker 1: Certainly. No, sir. It was supposed to be consensual.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: So have all that here.
Speaker 0: Right. So I wanted to see I wanted to see if you were serious about it being consensual because that that's a big thing to me. Because if if we're forcing stuff, then I don't think we can get help. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I I I told the I told you, I guess, that, I'm not into any kind of pain or Okay. Seeing anybody doing things.
Speaker 0: Oh, I appreciate that, man. Okay. So you would only have sex today if Hailey was willing and like, okay with it pretty much. Is that right?
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, I appreciate that. And that's and that's something I think we can actually help. So I'm I'm totally fine with that, man. Okay.
And you know what?
Speaker 1: I have
Speaker 0: a lot of shit right here. I don't even feel the need to read it. You've been so transparent with me. Why should I embarrass you? It doesn't make any sense.
Right? It's about it's about rehabilitating. Would you agree?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. Here. You want me you wanted me to have them hold in?
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 0: Alright. Let's do that. And I have no intention of bringing that back. I mean, if we veer off into some dishonesty, I don't know, I might have to, but I think you're willing to be honest and I'm willing to be honest with you. So we'll just talk man to man.
We don't need any of that shit. Okay. Sound sound like a plan?
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 0: Alright. Let's do it. So what are some of the things like, so if I have an eating disorder. Right? Nobody should be waving fucking a steak in my face.
That'd probably be not that that wouldn't be too helpful for me. Wouldn't you say? What are some of the things that you think kind of exasperate or kinda feel with disorder? I have no idea. Okay.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. It's always been me.
Speaker 0: Since you were a kid? Okay.
Speaker 1: I was abused when I was 6. Maybe it comes from that.
Speaker 0: Okay. That's fair. Did you think you had it before you were sick? Well, I guess you wouldn't know if you're that young. Okay.
Got it.
Speaker 1: Do you
Speaker 0: have flashbacks of that abuse? No. No? Okay. But you think maybe that just kind of ingrained it in you maybe?
Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Have you tried to get help for this before? Yes.
K. It's not with that. Like, you can just step on it. You can just step on it. Step on it.
Yeah. Just step on the papers.
Speaker 1: Yes. My mental health counselors know about it, and it's just really nice. The last one I saw, I said, well, I didn't think there was any treatment for that. And she said, there's therapy.
Speaker 0: Do you think the therapy has been helping? Or have you gone to therapy yet? Or No. Not yet. I have not had any.
Okay. Does the city of Austin give you, like, options to pay for it and all that? Or, like, do they do they give you options where they pay for it or anything like that?
Speaker 1: Or It's, it's paid for all my insurance.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do you know how to access that therapy?
Speaker 1: I have a meeting with her in February. I should
Speaker 0: have had one in February. Oh, you you didn't end up going?
Speaker 1: Uh-uh. Well, I I never got she never called me or made an appointment.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I usually don't see her until I get new meds.
Speaker 0: Do you do you have her name? Because maybe I can kinda ping her and be like, I'll remember. Just what's her name?
Speaker 1: Her name is Christine Kessel.
Speaker 0: Okay. K e s s e l?
Speaker 1: Right. At Bluebonnet Trails.
Speaker 0: Okay. So get in touch with Christy and basically say, hey, Philip is wanting help for this and okay. I'm willing to do that. No problem, man. So I wanna ask about some things because, you know, you know, it's not my first time doing something like this.
And some of the things that I've heard from people that desperately want help is that stuff online kind of exasperate the disorder. Like I know. I understand. Okay. So I wanna ask about the Telegram app.
Can you I don't know too much about it. Can you kinda tell me what goes on on there? I've heard some things, but It's
Speaker 1: it's there's some some illegal, bad news on it.
Speaker 0: Okay. Like trafficking or are you talking about, like, pictures?
Speaker 1: All that.
Speaker 0: Oh, everything like that on there? Okay. Do you are there are these, like, groups on Telegram or is this just oh, there's groups of this stuff? Okay. Do you happen to know because, you know, obviously, I wanna find the real bad guys doing this.
I don't think you're one of the bad guys. But, you know, people on Telegram, they look at forced stuff, and they like to just they are they're actually malicious. You know what I mean? They're not suffering from a disorder. They're actually bad people.
Not like you. Do you know how you got invited to these groups? Like, because maybe I I wanna take that round and try to find who created them. You know what I mean? And I think if you help me with that, that'd be a giant help to us, and it would show me that you're actually honest and willing to do this, which I think you are.
Speaker 1: It's pretty, it's pretty obvious when you get on there.
Speaker 0: Okay. So what kinda happens, if you don't mind?
Speaker 1: There are different rooms to chat in.
Speaker 0: Okay. How many people could be in one room at a time? 3 or 4. Okay. Are they all just sharing child porn pretty much?
Speaker 1: No. Okay. Just, there's there's no mention of any illegal porn at all.
Speaker 0: Okay. So when Nothing like that. On Telegram?
Speaker 1: Correct. But but it's it, it comes to the surface
Speaker 0: Oh, so once in a
Speaker 1: with a the word CP.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: But, of course, it's been denied everywhere on Telegram.
Speaker 0: Sure. Sure. So, you know, Philip, you know, we've been very honest past few, you know, since we've been here, and I appreciate that. But, you know, the account that was the father with the 2 kids, that was me posing as that. I wasn't posing as Haley, but I was posing as a father of 2 kids.
And, you know, I know what you sent me. Okay? So I know there's stuff on Telegram, that kind of child porn stuff flowing around, and that's okay. Okay? Did you take any of those photos yourself?
Like, did were you behind the camera on any of them? That's what I'm okay. So I'm not worried about you then. But what I am kind of worried about is just where it comes from and where you got it from because, you know, I don't think it's fair that you have a pedophilic disorder, yet this app is just allowing this shit to grow on trees. How could you not?
It's like Eve eating the apple, man. So, yeah, it's not sure you have a little bit of control, but it's not all your fault. I mean, they Telegram needs to be accountable. You know what I mean? So I'm just curious.
Where is
Speaker 1: the telephone coming from on Telegram? You can't really find it looking for it.
Speaker 0: How does it come to you?
Speaker 1: There might be a forward or phrase of CP on there.
Speaker 0: Okay. How many people do you think of or how how long have you been on Telegram with people sending you that type of stuff?
Speaker 1: Probably, 4 weeks.
Speaker 0: Okay. So it's pretty recent then? No problem. Are they sending this to
Speaker 1: you in groups, or are they sending
Speaker 0: this to you in
Speaker 1: different I I don't get any. I don't get it.
Speaker 0: Okay. So these are individuals sending it to you? Right. Okay. Are they sending mostly boys or girls?
Okay. Well, you
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember that.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, you know, the the father of 2 said they were in Lano, that one Telegram that was messaging you.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: So I I was the one posing as that, and I think just out of nowhere, he might have sent me something. I didn't see what the image was. I just saw, like, a download option, and and it was blurred out. But, that's fine. Well, let's talk about the the young boy.
Do you know who could have sent that to you?
Speaker 1: No, sir. I have no idea.
Speaker 0: Okay. Was this a picture or a video?
Speaker 1: A video.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do you do you believe in saving kids?
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 0: I'm with you on that, man. So what we're gonna try to do is identify this boy. I know you have nothing to do with him being sexual. That's not I mean, unless you were in the video with him. I don't think that'd be the case.
I just I just care more about what was happening in the video and where the video could have come from. So how old that boy looked to you in that video?
Speaker 1: He looked about, 6 to 7.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Black hair.
Speaker 0: Okay. Any words being spoken in the video? No. Okay. What was happening to him?
Speaker 1: He, the guy was, his brother.
Speaker 0: Oh, really?
Speaker 1: And he put his his penis into his crack Okay. But didn't, didn't have, an insect.
Speaker 0: He just inserted it in?
Speaker 1: And and, another shot was the boy giving the, the man a, philosophy.
Speaker 0: Okay. How how long was that video?
Speaker 1: Probably, a minute.
Speaker 0: Okay. Did was there any finishing in the video? No. Okay. So it was just basically a one minute clip of some CP.
Okay. Fair enough. Are there any other apps where this is kinda going on on?
Speaker 1: No, sir.
Speaker 0: Okay. So I wanted to bring up it's in the messages somewhere. But like I said, I don't I don't feel the need to read it because you've been we've been doing so well with this, so I think it's a it's a team effort at this point. You you mentioned and, again, you're an awesome king. You good?
Speaker 1: Go on. You
Speaker 0: wanna sit down?
Speaker 1: No. Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. Something about the dark web, how long has that kinda been a thing for? Because that's something I really wanna infiltrate and go after the real bad people, like the traffickers on there, and I think you can be my step one with that by by helping me go after them. So how long have how long has the dark web been kinda putting you on there for?
Speaker 1: About 2 years.
Speaker 0: Okay. Were you on the dark web when I saw you the first time? Did you say it's okay. Okay. So you kinda hid that for me a little bit.
That's okay. It's okay. That's totally fine. How did you, first find out about the dark web? Because I don't know that people should be sharing this with people who have these pedophilic disorders.
I don't think it's fair. But so how did how did they make you find out about this?
Speaker 1: There's only one way you can access it.
Speaker 0: How'd it happen? With the,
Speaker 1: I just read a lot about it. Okay. I was interested in it. I just read a lot about it.
Speaker 0: Okay. It's totally fine. Just kind of something that sparked your curiosity. That's fair. Hey.
You're a guy, man. Guys are curious. We wouldn't have the country of America if it wasn't for just curious guys. You know what I mean? So, alright.
So about for 2 years, you've been kind of just going on the dark web? That's fair. Do you usually look for boys or girls on there?
Speaker 1: Both. Okay.
Speaker 0: What's the typical age preference? Or what's the typical age range that you kinda look for?
Speaker 1: 10 or 11.
Speaker 0: Okay. What's the youngest age you've seen on there?
Speaker 1: 5 or 6.
Speaker 0: Okay. So, I think that could be maybe your limit. So, I wanna ask about this other thing, with infants and toddlers.
Speaker 1: And I
Speaker 0: don't think you're into that because, you know, you were abused when you were sick. So I I think it maybe start maybe you're cut off sick. Maybe that's why you're not telling me about if it's a toddler. But I wanna go after those baby herders because that's just not fair they're doing that to babies. And I'm sure you agree with that.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: So is there anything on the dark well, I'm not gonna ask you, is there? I'm just I'm gonna ask how many times have you seen stuff on the dark web with, like, infants and toddlers? Just a few. Okay. Even as young as, like, newborns and all that?
Speaker 1: Oh, no. Not that young.
Speaker 0: What what do you say is the youngest age?
Speaker 1: About 5 or
Speaker 0: 6. 5 or 6? What about, like, 3 or 4? No? Okay.
What typically happens to the 5 or 6 year olds?
Speaker 1: They have father, or the male Mhmm. Rubs their body and never has intercourse. And the kid, has lost you with a man.
Speaker 0: Okay. Is the kid a boy or a girl or they're just being a okay.
Speaker 1: You can you can get to all of it yourself if you go to the website, the tour. Tour? It you can get to anything.
Speaker 0: Okay. How do I go to Tor? Like, is it like a do I just type it on Google or do I download it or how does it work?
Speaker 1: You type it on Google and then it'll give you a download. And, tour is a
Speaker 0: Using Europe?
Speaker 1: To stop to get away from censorship.
Speaker 0: Oh, sure. Sure.
Speaker 1: Tory's Tory's, you can't follow it. You can see that law enforcement can see that you're using it, but you can't they can't sit together.
Speaker 0: Right. It's all like Instagram or Facebook where they can just go in and see your stuff. Okay. Got it. Got it.
Do you do you mainly watch child porn on Telegram or tours or somewhere else? Or
Speaker 1: Just on tour.
Speaker 0: Okay. And I'm only asking this because, you know, obviously, in order to get help, we need to identify what there is needs to be help. So you just sit here and told me that you don't watch any child porn, then there'd be no help. There'd be no I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. No.
Speaker 0: No. No. I know. I know you didn't say it. But if you were to say that, there'd be like, okay.
Well, what needs to be helped? Right? But, you know, in order to really figure out the extent of help help we need, like, from once a week, multiple times a week, who knows? We just wanted to get through this. Right?
Speaker 1: I it I'm I don't do it for, sexual insight. Aside. I just out of order.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Because it it just makes makes dopamine in my brain.
Speaker 0: It just kinda flares up something there? Okay. How how often do you watch child porn?
Speaker 1: Maybe once, once a week.
Speaker 0: Once a week.
Speaker 1: But there's, there's nothing I ever really knew.
Speaker 0: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: There's I've I've seen it all. I've been I've been through all of it. It kinda depends on my hormones whether I'm attracted to it or not.
Speaker 0: Okay. So it's kinda like with, you know, a lot of guys and women. It's like, you see a really fat chick and you're like, oh, I don't like that. But then you see, you know, some Latita with like a fat ass and big tits are like, oh, yeah. I like that.
Or kids kinda the same way, like some you like, some you don't like. Right. Okay. I see what you're saying. That's good insight, man.
I think that's a great way for to get some help. I'm not gonna take it from you, but, May, see what's in the bag. I'm gonna give it right back to you. Toilet paper? What's that for?
Speaker 1: My all of my nose.
Speaker 0: Alright. Condoms here. So you weren't gonna go wrong in Hailey. This was supposed to be used for Hailey? Okay.
Viagra pills. Alright. Charger. And then, lubricant here. Alright.
Speaker 1: You have to throw all that out if you want. I just need to charge it.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: But, maybe you better maybe it'll better let me throw out so you don't keep it forever. Understood?
Speaker 0: Yeah. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 0: I'll just put it right here. Yeah. It's fine with me. Interesting. So something of so it was said in the messages about, like, you wanted to this has always been, like, a dream come true for you to come do something like this.
Correct. Okay. I appreciate your honesty. How long has that been a fantasy for? To just come over, have sex with an underage kid?
Speaker 1: Since about 12.
Speaker 0: Okay. When you were 12, what age were you fantasizing about?
Speaker 1: Mostly just, Young change.
Speaker 0: That's your that was the same age, though, when you were 12. Okay. What about when you were, like, 18? What age were you fantasizing about?
Speaker 1: I didn't do that much. I was I was too busy in college.
Speaker 0: Okay. Where'd you go to school?
Speaker 1: I set them.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Stephen F Austin. Did you graduate? Okay. What were you majoring in?
Forestry,
Speaker 1: chemistry, and computer science.
Speaker 0: That's why you're pretty smart. We're getting on the dark web and all that. Double edged sword for sure. So what about in your adult life? Like, when did you start kinda having these fantasies about doing something like this
Speaker 1: again? When I started looking at, young girls on Facebook.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. It it reinvigorated something? Okay. How long ago was that happening?
Speaker 1: Probably, 2 or 3 months ago.
Speaker 0: 2 or 3 months ago? Well, so let me remind you the first time we met you was in September. So that was longer than 3 months ago. We've been doing well, man. I'm just asking, like, when this kinda reinvigorates.
That's all. Because you told me that you've been on the dark web for 2 years. I'm just trying to get a timetable of how long this has been going on for just so we know how much help we can do. No.
Speaker 1: I I can't really can't really think about it.
Speaker 0: Can't like I can't have done. Can't visualize that?
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 0: That's fine. That's no worries, man. Shit. You're good. You're good.
You kinda lose track of time as you get older. What was, what was the long term plan with Haley? Like, what were you hoping would happen, say, after today?
Speaker 1: Well, she was, very understanding, or you were. Mhmm. And I was emotionally attracted. Okay. Not just sexual.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you're hoping for, like, some something more long term? Okay. What was this kind of thing about, adopting her?
Speaker 1: I'm still
Speaker 0: Okay. Here, a car is coming. You just wanna
Speaker 1: kinda step over
Speaker 0: this way. Oh, now we're good. We're good. Just parking. Alright.
How how long were you hoping this relationship would
Speaker 1: last? Well, it was pretty real to me. I didn't think it would last any more than, just one encounter.
Speaker 0: Really? Were you hoping it would last longer, though? Not really. No. Because you mentioned you were emotionally attracted to her, so I was just kinda seeing, like, were you hoping this this is, like, gonna be a boyfriend girlfriend type ordeal, like, for a long time or I'm not judging you.
I'm not I'm just asking.
Speaker 1: I have that feeling. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. So that's what you wanted. Right. Okay. That's totally fair,
Speaker 1: man. Gosh.
Speaker 0: Are you thirsty at
Speaker 1: all? Sir? Thirsty? I'm sorry?
Speaker 0: Thirsty?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 0: Are you thirsty at all?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 0: Okay. Can you, can you get me a can you give me a water every week? Can you head to the gas station and get me a water? I'll just I'll hang on to these. Okay.
Just just wait, like, probably 5 minutes to call. Jeremy. Alright. Here, just just step on these. I don't need a whole one.
Speaker 1: Can we hurry up and get this over?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
So part of chiropractic You know, you
Speaker 1: ruined my life, Wes.
Speaker 0: I understand.
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't, being the kind of person I am, but you brought it out and you you you put me on a a on a suicidal path.
Speaker 0: What's happened since then? Like, with friends and family and all that?
Speaker 1: None of them know anything about it.
Speaker 0: Not really.
Speaker 1: Except my, MHMR counselor.
Speaker 0: What do they say about it?
Speaker 1: Just that there's therapy there. Okay.
Speaker 0: That's fair.
Speaker 1: I spent a week in the hospital and got over this.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. And,
Speaker 1: Wait.
Speaker 0: Let me see. The yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the wrist mark right there.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, now
Speaker 0: Do you still have their stuff? About
Speaker 1: 20 24 right now. I'll be
Speaker 0: honest with you. Sure. I I understand. Understand.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a good life coming up in a a new apartment. Mhmm. I don't think I can ever a good over this.
Speaker 0: The second time? Well, you know, the first time I was kinda more overbearing, but this time I actually think that's just a help thing because, you know, I read some of the messages and Yeah. Were they graphic? Yeah. Of course.
They were very sexual but, you know, I think a lot of it was too that, a lot of it too is like, it's just you're screaming for help, man. You're like, I don't wanna hurt you. I mean, despite your disorder, you don't wanna hurt her, man. And that's something I think we can get through. I mean, you still have a long time left on this earth.
Probably have a good 20, 30 years left. Doesn't Okay. Doesn't mean it needs to go to shit. You you know what I'm saying? I'm willing to work with you on this.
As a matter of fact, what I'll do is I'll give you my phone number. Okay? Okay. And you're willing you're willing to be in touch with me every day?
Speaker 1: No. You can go through my counselor at MHMO. Okay. I'm not gonna talk to you anymore.
Speaker 0: Okay. Understand? Yeah. I understand. It's totally fine.
Well, let's get through this part then. Okay? Then we'll, part ways. If you ever wanna reach out to me, then you sure can.
Speaker 1: I just hope you can get me right now.
Speaker 0: I'm willing to do that. I can work Because I I
Speaker 1: have no money right
Speaker 0: now. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'll lift right now.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. Well, it's can I go over this then? You know, or have you kinda studied technology in the past couple of years? Okay. Have you looked into too much about what phones can potentially do?
Speaker 1: About what?
Speaker 0: What phones can potentially do?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. What what are some of the things you found out they could do?
Speaker 1: Get on the dark web.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. Sure.
Speaker 1: And can certainly be packed.
Speaker 0: Sure. But there is there is a thing, that some devices whether phones or tablets or even computers, they have bigger they have bigger they basically attract more they basically trigger more dopamine in people. So, for example, you know, if I had a flip phone from 1990 versus an iPhone now, what do you think would have more dopamine?
Speaker 1: Oh, that occurs.
Speaker 0: You're right. Of course. So, even current models, they have different levels of dopamine they can release. So, that's why I'm kinda curious. When you go on the dark web and on Telegram, which device are you using?
Because I think maybe that
Speaker 1: could be a
Speaker 0: It's a new one. It's a new one? So is it is that is it that one right there? Okay. Where's your
Speaker 1: other phones at? They're no good
Speaker 0: anymore. Okay. So have one. Okay. So Telegram's on that phone.
Okay. Got it. So I'm not saying I'm gonna take your phone or even ask you to go through it, but it's hard to go through right now. I find
Speaker 1: Telegram on there.
Speaker 0: Okay. I see. So that that could that could be the case of why it's given out that much.
Speaker 1: Tell me something. Where is this going?
Speaker 0: Well, so I I think I think a big help would be Sure. I mean, everybody needs a smartphone nowadays but even getting you a smart phone from 2012 might help with the with kind of the dopamine blockage. You know what I mean? It's a route. It's kind of a new science.
It's kind of a new science. Is there is there anything that's like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to
Speaker 0: think that could be is that an Android or iPhone?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. No, sir. I'm not gonna change phones. Okay.
Unless you get a warranty or No. No. Just by
Speaker 0: No. No. No. For sure.
Speaker 1: Come on. Let's get this. That that ruined my life and that's all it.
Speaker 0: But, Phil, if you understand that I'm here because I don't want your life ruined, you know, if I took all these and just pretended that I didn't even like, if I thought you're a bad person, Philip, you wouldn't even know that I had them. You know what I mean? And there's some people that we come across that that I don't even go talk to them. I talked to I'd only talked to the ones that I think can get help, man.
Speaker 1: Okay. So So what do you suggest?
Speaker 0: Well, you've been so honest so far, so I suggest we stay on that path and we kinda just Do I have to
Speaker 1: talk to you again? Well, frankly, I'm not going to. Right.
Speaker 0: I'll put
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 0: You don't have to talk to me even right now. But You
Speaker 1: can I'm not gonna I'm not gonna have meetings with you or anything. You can, suggest anything you want to my, mental health counselor.
Speaker 0: Okay. But would you give me permission to maybe give her suggestions? Sure. Okay. We'll do that then.
That's totally fine. Is there a so this is what I'm kinda curious about. Alright. Is there anything is there anything, like
Speaker 1: so when I was posing as
Speaker 0: a guy, the dad in Lano on Telegram, did kinda
Speaker 1: ring a bell a little bit?
Speaker 0: Okay. He did he did send me something.
Speaker 1: I don't know if
Speaker 0: it was a video or a picture because I didn't download it or view it, but it was I've I'm pretty sure it was probably CP. Where did that come from?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't even know
Speaker 0: what you're talking about. Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Okay.
Speaker 0: How many people would ask you this is interesting, kinda, because maybe I wanna probe those people to see if they just have a disorder or to see if they're actually malicious. So that's a big difference to me. Do do you kinda see what I'm saying there? So how many people have asked you to send them CPs?
Speaker 1: 1. Who was it? My buddy.
Speaker 0: What app was it on?
Speaker 1: It was Telegram.
Speaker 0: Okay. Do you know about how long those could have been?
Speaker 1: Maybe a week and a half.
Speaker 0: Okay. What did you send them?
Speaker 1: It, it wanted the app wanted money and I didn't have it.
Speaker 0: The app wanted money? No. No. But I mean, if they're asking you to send them CP, that's what I'm asking. Like, how many people ask you to send them child porn?
None. None? Okay. And I'm just I'm only asking this because I know there's been a few people that maybe you've sent some child porn to just randomly. That's okay.
I'd rather know about who they are rather than because I know you're not the one behind the camera. You're not the one actually abusing any kids. Okay? Okay? So way I look because I saw the messages.
The way I look at it too is if it if the relationship between an adult and a kid is consensual, I'm okay with that. I'm just trying to help you because in this current society, not many people look at it that way. You know what I mean? I'm not judging you for that. And I'm kinda with you on that.
I'm not saying I like kids, but I'm saying I'm with you on that. As long as you don't hurt anybody, that's I believe in that. Okay? So I'm I'd think we we've kinda dinged your phone that there's been a few times where child porn was sent to other people. You know, about how many times it could've been where you have child porn and you sent it to someone else?
Speaker 1: I remember doing that. Okay. I don't I don't know. I'm I'm pretty sleepy and pretty out of it right now, it may have happened.
Speaker 0: Okay. You know what happened? Coulda happened on or or
Speaker 1: Chat.
Speaker 0: Chat? What's what what's that called? What's that EHchat?
Speaker 1: It's a it's a chat for older adults talk about incest. Okay. And he's supposedly banned, but if he has on there any
Speaker 0: They in the same way that weed is in the US. Right? How long ago do you think you could have sent someone child porn to Chad?
Speaker 1: It was probably 2 years ago. Okay. Fair enough.
Speaker 0: And it
Speaker 1: was just a link and it wouldn't take it. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 0: What about on, you mentioned that someone sent you a video of a boy on Telegram. Right? Any other people? Have they sent you anything on Telegram? Okay.
Do you maybe do you recall so maybe you didn't send it somebody, but do you may did you maybe forward that video of the boy to someone else? Like, rather than you just sending, you just kinda took it and forwarded it?
Speaker 1: That's right. I didn't send I didn't forward it anyway. Okay. I deleted.
Speaker 0: Okay. I see. So I do wanna ask about one of those messages there. I'm not gonna get the chats. Okay?
I just wanna give you a chance to be honest. You told Haley that I have a favorite child porn video of a boy. You kinda know whatever I'm going with this, Of a boy, he's giving an adult head or something like that. Is that what it was? You said you were gonna you did you offer to send that to her?
Speaker 1: Yes. And she, of course, she did not.
Speaker 0: Right. As I'm supposed to. Where was that video? Like, how how are you gonna send it to her? Like, was this something in your gallery you were gonna send her or was this, like, out of your ass crack?
It was it was a link to the video? Okay. Where was that link from?
Speaker 1: Telegram.
Speaker 0: Ah, okay. So is it linked to that video directly or was it to a lot of videos?
Speaker 1: You know, I really don't.
Speaker 0: That's fine.
Speaker 1: It was just a one time thing. K. Is
Speaker 0: that the video you were talking about, that somebody sent you on Telegram?
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
Speaker 0: I see.
Speaker 1: Look, you're gonna have to let me go.
Speaker 0: I was never holding you here.
Speaker 1: I need a ride home. K. Alright. I just don't have enough money right now. I will in the morning.
If you wanna put me in one of these motel rooms, I can get them. Let me
Speaker 0: see. Let me confirm.
Speaker 1: About $26 to go.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to him
Speaker 0: for a second. Is that cool? Any other people besides Haley that, recently talked to you on Facebook that were younger? No. You mentioned, do you still have kick?
Speaker 1: Pardon me?
Speaker 0: Do you still have kick?
Speaker 1: No. K. I do still. Okay. Did you
Speaker 0: ever have kick at any point? Mhmm. What was kinda what was kinda happening on kick?
Speaker 1: It was just entering interesting to me because it was incented. I never saw any image.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: What do
Speaker 0: you mean by uncensored?
Speaker 1: You can say anything you want. Not like, Facebook where they cut you out.
Speaker 0: Sure. Sure. Of course.
Speaker 1: That was a long time ago. I haven't been on there in several years.
Speaker 0: Did anybody send any CP on Kik?
Speaker 1: No. No? Soon as what you told
Speaker 0: me the first time, So, I wanna ask about this. So you said here, well, a guy from out of town came to my house and said he wanted to help me because I'm the kind of guy that likes little girls. He made me really mad, and I tried to get rid of him. He called the police. Then he told my landlord that I was talking to her to the young girl.
She evicted me. My life has never been the same. So what happened with the eviction? Is it the history you got evicted?
Speaker 1: But, you didn't tell the landlord?
Speaker 0: I told him. Yeah. I did. But what happened after that?
Speaker 1: Shit. It's okay.
Speaker 0: I just wanna know.
Speaker 1: I've been I got a notice to make it
Speaker 0: Oh, really?
Speaker 1: For, for illegal. I could
Speaker 0: Oh, what the heck?
Speaker 1: And they said, online solicitation of a minor, something happened.
Speaker 0: Did they ever charge you for it?
Speaker 1: No. There were never any charges.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They said, okay. I'm gone. And that was it.
Speaker 0: So how did you end up getting new housing?
Speaker 1: It took a it took a long, long hard time.
Speaker 0: So are you homeless?
Speaker 1: No. I would be now if I wasn't in the, I found a group home Mhmm. That's cheap.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm there now, and I hope to be in a new apartment by the 15th Sure.
Speaker 0: In Del Valle. Okay. Nice. Do you happen to get your cat away too?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: Who'd you get your cat to?
Speaker 1: Some place in Georgia. Okay.
Speaker 0: Do you have any of your family here in Austin? When did you first get diagnosed with pedophilia disorder?
Speaker 1: MHMR about, probably Austin, Travis County MHMR. Maybe maybe 8 or 9 years
Speaker 0: since. Okay.
Speaker 1: Why have
Speaker 0: they not monitored you closer? Sir? Why have they not monitored you closer?
Speaker 1: I sure don't know. Do you
Speaker 0: think you should be monitored closer? Honestly, just asking.
Speaker 1: Well, that's probably gonna happen now.
Speaker 0: Maybe so. I don't know. Okay. So, I do wanna ask this. Okay?
Because like I said, with the dopamine and all that, here we sent to Hailey. I had all my dirty pictures in a special place that nobody can get to. Software programmers could probably find it, but I've got all that worked out too. I've been studying how to do that for years. I love dirty pictures.
So
Speaker 1: I'm willing to You're so vicious.
Speaker 0: What? I'm kinda
Speaker 1: looking for a second. Well, I'm willing to work. You're not doing you're not doing anything you could.
Speaker 0: No. I am trying to help you out.
Speaker 1: You're trying to you're trying to destroy people. No. You're destroying me.
Speaker 0: Philip, if I wanted to do that, I wouldn't be here talking to you. That's all. Do you do you understand how many other people could read these messages and just think the worst of you? And raise their voice and even maybe try to hurt you?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: K. Have I done any of that? Have I? No. I haven't.
Because I don't judge you for this.
Speaker 1: Please, come on. Let's get this over with.
Speaker 0: Let's get it over with. You can
Speaker 1: tell all this to my my mental health counselor and they'll handle it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But, Philip, I I I I'm afraid if we don't get everything addressed and aired out now, I just feel this could happen again. And we don't want that to happen because wouldn't be good for society, wouldn't be good for you.
Speaker 1: The pedophilic disorder is something that it's always in Mhmm. It's not terrible.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: I agree. Treatment is therapy and that's what my mental health counselor said. Mhmm. And I'm willing to do that. Okay.
And I'm willing
Speaker 0: to help you with it, man. Truly. You may you might think that I'm just some piece of shit, but I took you to the shade. I don't I don't I want this to go as smooth as possible. Okay?
It's it's not a good situation, but I want you know, it's about making the best out of world. Terrible situations. Right? You you think people in the foxhole in World War 2 were like, this is great? No.
But they made the best out of it. You know what I mean? Okay.
Speaker 1: What what are you getting at?
Speaker 0: So what I'm getting
Speaker 1: Let's move along.
Speaker 0: Let's move along now. I agree. So what I'm getting at here is I think the one thing that hasn't been aired out yet that I'm willing to air out and I'm willing to just kinda overlook this and we're just honest about it. I had all my dirty pictures in a special place that nobody can get to. Software program should probably find it, but I've got all that worked out too.
Okay. So first of all, I wanna actually have some hidden folders. I'm just new to my girlfriend. I mean, if you could help me out with that for real. So how do you how do you how do you hide pictures like that?
Just in general. Like, what do what do you do for that? Just curious.
Speaker 1: With several layers of passwords and things like that.
Speaker 0: All on your phone?
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 0: Okay. So do you have, like, a hidden folder on there
Speaker 1: or something? Or just a just the eyes.
Speaker 0: Okay. So I assume that's where the, because obviously, right now, we can't track any photos, but, you know, obviously, you don't immediately save them to the hidden folder. It has it takes some layers. It takes some different places. So we dinged those I don't know why those idiots sent them to you because they're just making your disorder worse.
But, you know, we need we need to know because that's when you
Speaker 1: turn 10.
Speaker 0: Okay. And that's in the hidden folder?
Speaker 1: It's in a place where I keep passwords and card numbers, things like that. Okay. It's not really hidden. Come on. Please let me
Speaker 0: I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not holding you here.
Speaker 1: Okay. Please call me. Call me and call me. I've got to get out of here. Or I'm I'm on the edge, man.
Speaker 0: Man. I understand. But, you know, you're doing so well. You're doing so much better than the first time. And, you know, this this I'm going to know, Philip.
This interaction convinced me that you want help. This interaction convinced me that this is the last day that you get carried away with this. It really has, man. It means the fucking world to me, dude. We're almost there with that with that honesty.
We're almost there. You you're there, man. You're doing a Okay. You're doing a great job. So you are these videos or photos that you have saved?
Speaker 1: Just photos.
Speaker 0: K. These boys, girls, both? Or
Speaker 1: I really don't remember. K.
Speaker 0: What are the age ranges?
Speaker 1: 10, 11, 12.
Speaker 0: K. Are these like nudes?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 0: Got it. And I'm gonna ask you one more time. Just try your best to remember. I'm not asking for exact numbers, but is it both boys and girls or one more than the other or Both. Both?
Okay. No problem, man. Any of them in sex acts or just them posing naked or? Just naked. Okay.
Can you see their penis and vagina? Mhmm. Okay. Where'd you get those photos from?
Speaker 1: There's a, there's a site that you get to on tour called Lolly World.
Speaker 0: Okay. Lolly World. And then this is easy picking pretty much? Okay. I'm not expecting the best answer here.
I'm just expecting sorry. I'm not expecting, like, some exact answer. I'm just expecting your best. Why did you choose those 10 photos to save and not others?
Speaker 1: I really don't know.
Speaker 0: That's fine.
Speaker 1: It just has something to do with what's been going on in tech.
Speaker 0: That's fair.
Speaker 1: Now, please remind me, you've gotten you've gotten all your all your information. You know all about me. You can you can call my counselor or whatever. Don't ruin my life anymore. Police.
Speaker 0: I know. But this right here is actually making your life better. I know so. It is. It is.
Because Because
Speaker 1: I live alone. I, I don't have friends or family. I dwell on things. That's why I do say.
Speaker 0: For sure. For sure.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to go to counseling and tell them to tell them. So that's your next step. Call my counsel.
Speaker 0: Sure. Sure. Do do you mind, and this is something I might wanna go back and examine to see how deep the cut was. Do do you mind kinda showing your wrist to the camera? And we're gonna get a little bit closer there, if you don't mind.
Is that per a permanent scar? Yeah. Is it numb? Like, does it feel numb? Touch it?
No.
Speaker 1: No. Do
Speaker 0: you think it's fully healed up or something? It's good. Was it that deep of a cut or No. No. No.
Just the attention seeker kind of?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I know. All sassy.
Speaker 1: Do you
Speaker 0: have any other scars? No. So that was your first time you cut yourself? DoorDash delivery.
Speaker 1: Hold on, man. Let let me get out of this, please.
Speaker 0: Here. Do you want me to call him?
Speaker 1: Call, can you make a a lift ride for me on here?
Speaker 0: I can try.
Speaker 1: I don't it's it's connected to my car, and I have no money Okay.
Speaker 0: I could try.
Speaker 1: Until tomorrow morning.
Speaker 0: I could try.
Speaker 1: It's on.
Speaker 0: I can try to get my phone and try to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 0: How about that? Okay.
Speaker 1: K. Do you
Speaker 0: mind just putting that up for now and then a boy do that?
Speaker 1: Oh, do
Speaker 0: you mind just getting it?
Speaker 1: Do you do
Speaker 0: you mind just getting it? So, Philip, do do you think people on Telegram and the dark web are good people? No. Okay. So when I when I when I ask you this, just know that I'm I'm trying to get your blueprints so I can go after the real bad guys.
Okay? This is not me trying to shit on you or be be, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. But how many layers of passwords would we have to get through to get those hidden folders? I'm not saying I'm taking it. I'm just just asking, like, theoretically, like, if I were to have it in my hand, how many layers of passwords do you have to protect that?
Speaker 1: There's not there it's not really password as much as it is just hidden on the floor.
Speaker 0: Oh, really? But you said credit card numbers too?
Speaker 1: Correct. Okay.
Speaker 0: Is is Tor an app on your phone?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Okay. So if I were to go into Tor, I'd find that stuff. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair.
Is anything like accidentally saving your gallery or anything? No.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
Speaker 0: Well, he's getting my phone, and I'll try to arrange something for you. Okay?
Speaker 1: Please. Yeah.
Speaker 0: How's your daughter been out you've been doing?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 0: Why not? I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to her in 3 years.
Speaker 0: Oh, why is that? Well,
Speaker 1: she just didn't have anything to do.
Speaker 0: Why?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Okay.
Speaker 0: Please get me. Okay. I I do wanna ask about this because this is, you know, because it yeah. There's a lot of crossover in pedophilic disorder, but there's always but there's not always it's not always the one or the other. Yeah.
So when you say here absolutely I'm really into incest, How long have you been into incest for?
Speaker 1: Probably since I was 12.
Speaker 0: Okay. So those feelings are with pedophilic disorder? Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm
Speaker 0: willing to give them to you after we're done here.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 0: You can do what you will with them.
Speaker 1: You probably have a you can get through a copy right away. Right?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I could, but
Speaker 1: No. Forget it.
Speaker 0: Okay. Want me to just just dispatch, like, kinda like
Speaker 1: can I
Speaker 0: just throw them up in the air and see who gets them? Or I
Speaker 1: don't care. Okay. I really don't care anymore.
Speaker 0: Okay. Everything's done.
Speaker 1: Everything is overworked. Okay.
Speaker 0: So I I wanna kind of,
Speaker 1: you have
Speaker 0: an emoji here. You said this, this is me when I'm licking your pussy. Is this actually a picture of you here? Or Of
Speaker 1: course not. Okay.
Speaker 0: So what kind of,
Speaker 1: you planned on this from the very beginning? You've been following me since the last time.
Speaker 0: Not necessarily. K. So you promised a sex today with Ayla to be consensual?
Speaker 1: Yes. Okay.
Speaker 0: Was was there other stuff that maybe you were interested in, like, cunnilingus or blowjobs? You wanna do all that stuff? That's fair. Okay. So I kinda wanna just see how accurate this is.
You said this whole page paragraph here. We need to see each other, talk and listen to each other. We can do that on a video chat on the phone unless your parents have disabled it. You and I need to spend time in each other's presence. Even if it's just 15 or 20 minutes in the motel room, we need to look at each other, look in each other's eyes, smell the smell the odor of each other.
We need to touch each other even if it's just a rub on the cheek. All that buildup has to last about 20 minutes. When we see each other for the first time, of course, neither of us will know what to say except hi. That's not going to work. You are a mature and smart little girl.
You and I need to communicate about something we have in common. I know we've done a lot of that already, but we need to look in each other's eyes and say, yes. I trust you and I wanna make I know all that. Me feel good. And you
Speaker 1: get what are you getting at?
Speaker 0: Hey. I'm going to be twice scared as you because I'm gonna have to get an erection to put my penis into your vagina, then do something I've never done. Push my penis through your hymen. I'm I'm I'm sweating just thinking about it. It will be painful to you and you will bleed some.
All this is reality. This is what happens in the real world, to real people. It's nothing like a porn movie. I'll tell you what. After the first time, things get hot and fast.
What do you think? Haley, if that long message can't do it, read me and tell me, hey.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you if
Speaker 0: you're tired of all this bullshit I've been telling you. I just wanna fuck too. This is important to me, and it will be to you when you look back on it. I'm not suggesting we fall in love or something silly like that. This is about pure, hot, perverted sex.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Is that kinda what you're envisioning today? Mhmm. Okay. Nothing wrong with pure, hot, perverted sex. Here was said or should I say, I can't wait to fuck you and your little and your sweet little pussy.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: K. Is that that is that accurate? Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: You know, I, have
Speaker 1: a I can't. I've got to get out of here. Okay. I'm gonna go home and just find the find the find the sharpest tool I can to get them out of out of life. K.
You gotta let them go.
Speaker 0: Well, you're actually the biggest tool I've ever seen. Because you kinda blame everything on everybody else and you take no accountability.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now let's go.
Speaker 0: I never said I was holding you here.
Speaker 1: Okay. Call me call me around. Wait. This is, this is got this these channels have,
Speaker 0: Yeah. And we actually use a cutting wrist technology to kinda do what we do. I mean, sorry, cutting edge, excuse me, to kinda do what we do.
Speaker 1: Okay. Please please let me go.
Speaker 0: You're free to go.
Speaker 1: Call me you've got to call me in a car. I have to wait to get out.
Speaker 0: We we called you 1.
Speaker 1: You did Lyft? I don't have any money to get home until tomorrow morning.
Speaker 0: Was is Uber okay?
Speaker 1: Sure. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 0: Well, we we we kinda we actually got you 3 cars. You can take your pick. It's actually we use the service called, Georgetown PD over there.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: What do you what do you want from us?
Speaker 0: I I think your ride's over there.
Speaker 1: Have me arrested you?
Speaker 0: Me? No. I'm not gonna arrest you.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen? Come on. Let me get up with you.
Speaker 0: Well, I think I think they under called because he saw a commotion. But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna voucher you in front of cops. Okay? I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: be like, it's fine. We're we're good. Okay? Right now? Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Argan, did you ever do any of this again?
Speaker 1: No. It's all good. You're just going off on top of me. Okay.
Speaker 0: Sounds good to me. So when they talk to us, I'll just be sure to, like, be in your corner. Okay? Sound good?
Speaker 1: Sound good?
Speaker 0: What? How's it going, sir? Good. How are you guys? Good.
So, basically, we're just here having a consensual conversation with Phil with Philip. So you were only gonna have you weren't gonna force anything on Hailey. He's gonna be consensual sex today. Right? Correct.
With and she's what? How old was she?
Speaker 1: 13.
Speaker 0: Okay. And there's, like, probably 10 images of child porn you have to delete off your phone. Right? Correct. Okay.
And that's on that phone?
Speaker 1: Correct. Sir, if you don't mind talking to me real quick.
Speaker 0: Just try it over here.
Speaker 1: I'm
Speaker 3: just going this way. Hello.
Speaker 0: How's it going? Pretty good.
Speaker 3: We're trying to figure out what's going on. I know you're
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 3: What what exactly do you have here?
Speaker 0: We have a group. We've posted miners online, and we catch predators across the country. We're from Houston, Texas, but we're obviously here right now.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: And Philip, we actually this is the second time catching him. The first time was in Austin, in Williamson County, and he was messaging the decoy very sexually. But the only problem was, like, he was very sexual, but I don't think he met the elements of the online solicitation on mine or there's no meeting arranged. And, we called the cops anyway and nothing happened. But, he picked up messaging the decoy starting February 16th.
And this time, he just gets exponentially more sexual and he wants to meet up for sex this time. And, this time he's possessing child porn on his phone. And he admitted all of his stuff on camera that he wants to have sex with her, that he actually traveled here to meet. We actually got him a Lyft ride. Like, he he he has to get a Lyft.
We we got him a Lyft ride. Okay. And he travels from Austin to Williamson County to meet up here. The reason why we, said we're in Williamson County is because, you know, Travis County just, you know, just doesn't really do their job. So that's why we're here.
So he's there with child porn on his phone like he admitted on the cops' body cam, And, you know, he admitted to wanting to have sex with a 13 year old girl on the cops body cam, and I believe that's should be, probable cause
Speaker 1: to the rest of it. Old girl?
Speaker 0: Correct. That we're posing as
Speaker 1: So one of y'all were all
Speaker 3: of you were kinda splitting in?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes. Do you what device were you using to communicate with him?
Speaker 0: That's in California. That's where the decoy is.
Speaker 3: The device used? Yes. Like, was it a cell phone, computer, tablet?
Speaker 0: Cell phone to cell phone.
Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. So you don't have that cell phone here with you right now?
Speaker 0: No. But he has his cell phone he's using to communicate, and he has he claimed the child porn's on there, but he has devices in the in his house at 301, Yeah. Blacks Blackston.
Speaker 3: That's in Austin, you said?
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's that's in, Travis County, unfortunately. But he's here right now with in Williamsburg now.
Speaker 3: I heard you, sir. I'm just trying to get more facts going on here while he talks to him. Right? So do you do y'all have your IDs on you?
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Do you mind if I see
Speaker 3: them real quick?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's in the car. May I go get it? Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's fine. And what are what are you holding in here? And then as it's
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: In in that bag right there, I forgot to tell you. In that bag, he has lube and condoms and, you know, everything.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 0: And he he showed me them. It's on camera too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's right on yeah. Is that just trash?
Speaker 0: Or Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay. I mean, I don't what what are these Chats.
Speaker 1: That you've got your
Speaker 0: These aren't through? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These aren't everything, but they're, like, obviously, like, way more than enough to know what's he's up to.
Speaker 1: So is
Speaker 3: this via what platform is this?
Speaker 0: It started on Facebook, and then we started using this app called TextNow, which is a fake burner app. But he was he might have been using a fake app too. I don't know. But he was whatever.
Speaker 3: Multiple platforms.
Speaker 0: That's correct.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this is for your Facebook? Yes. And then this is for your ad app? Yes.
What's the
Speaker 3: phone's what?
Speaker 0: TextNow. TextNow.
Speaker 3: Okay. So your cool if I look through
Speaker 0: this Absolutely. Keep them.
Speaker 3: Are these in any sort of chronological order or
Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely. And we have a cool vest use. It's an initial a terrible Shorty for you. Yeah.
We we need for obvious reason, guys. I thought you said the security number was gonna be uncensored. Why why is I paying $8?
Speaker 1: Why is there something in your head called the brain?
Speaker 0: I know. Oh, yes. There's a rig on here. You also have to tell me too.
Speaker 3: She lives there. She has heard of us.
Speaker 0: We're willing to if y'all really need I mean, everything that ever she didn't use her actual well, on the original cell phone messages on apps. Those would be reserved. But if you really need her to mail mail a phone, and we can do that, we'll let her do that. Okay. Just basically worried, like, yeah.
I'm on the way or whatever. Yeah. Just just just show the last just send me the last few messages where he's like, I'm almost there. I'm coming. I'm all the way.
Speaker 1: And and send somebody a
Speaker 0: one way while we were getting done. Yeah. Yeah. Just just get, like, the last, like just just get, like, last week's message And then where you give the room number too, where you give the room number too.
Speaker 1: 2. Had access to any kids.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I truly believe he has.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Oh, I Yep. Alright. Whenever you're ready. Alright, guys. Be sure to join locals in the Penncom.
It helps us travel those and catch the tickets. So they took his phone. No arrest yet. We got we do have to mail the phone that he's communicate with him. But, basically, in short, they told me I mean, he's gonna get arrested.
It's just it's just not today. They just need to get everything together and they'll go do it.
Speaker 1: So I
Speaker 0: think, I mean, nothing fucking the rest of it. How can they not? It's just too obvious. But alright. And, you know, if you wanna see his first video yes.
His first video that I keep I'm not I'm keeping it on local. That's all I'm saying. It may involve a little bit of a, might involve a little use of the on a on his wrist assist. Just saying, so which I can't talk. I just think he did talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 0: That's all locals. You can go watch in the big pond
Speaker 1: if you wanna see his first catch.
Speaker 0: But, yeah, I mean, this guy's one of the worst. So Alright, guys. So that was part 2. I think he's gonna get arrested this time. I hope by the time this video drops, it has arrested in the title.
But, yeah, if you wanna see all of part 1, believe me, you do not wanna miss it. It's not going on low it's not going on YouTube. It's not going on Rumble. It is gonna remain on locals. So head on over to see part 1 of the pinned comment.
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In this video, the speaker begins by discussing their merchandise and urging viewers to support their cause. They then engage in a confrontation with someone they suspect of inappropriate behavior with a minor. The speaker tries to have a conversation with the individual, offering assistance and discussing their past behavior and struggles with social interactions. They inquire about the individual's online activities and the apps they use. The conversation concludes with the speaker emphasizing the importance of addressing the issue and offering support. The video also includes discussions about explicit content involving underage girls, with the speaker admitting to receiving inappropriate pictures and videos from others on Instagram and Telegram. They mention the age range of the girls involved and the method of receiving the content through direct messages. The conversation becomes more explicit as the speaker discusses their own desires and intentions, expressing uncertainty about their motivations and actions. The video also touches on the concept of gradually normalizing extreme ideas and the trading of explicit photos, with the speaker denying involvement with underage content and discussing the use of apps like Instagram and Telegram for trading. They mention their struggles with addiction and express a desire for positive changes in their life. The conversation takes a turn when they mention receiving explicit content from underage individuals on social media, discussing the need to report it to authorities and exchanging contact information with law enforcement. Throughout the video, the speakers also discuss various topics such as their jobs, living in New York during COVID, their parents' occupations, fashion, favorite food places, and the possibility of therapy. The video concludes with a request for support and engagement on their social media platforms.
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Speaker 2: That was too fun. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I
Speaker 1: think the
Speaker 2: back or is it in the front?
Speaker 1: He we see him. He's, like, right next to us. It's, like, in the back. Show me what you see.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I can't. He's so fucking quiet.
Speaker 1: Looks like he's leaving.
Speaker 2: Or now he's stopping.
Speaker 1: He's barking again with the cat. That's a 100% him.
Speaker 2: He said I
Speaker 1: hurry. IPhone? Yeah. Can you even know? Nope.
Keep them occupied, guys. Keep them occupied. Keep them occupied. I'm coming up behind them. We're gonna talk about little No.
I'm sure to talk to you, man. That's all. Okay? Mhmm. I I I need your I I just wanna talk to you.
Okay? I would do you have any weapons on you or anything? Okay. Max.
Speaker 2: No. Do
Speaker 1: you want that? Okay.
Speaker 2: It's I I knew this was a setup. I knew it was a setup. Okay. I knew it was. Alright.
That's That's fine.
Speaker 1: Well, I we'll talk about it outside.
Speaker 2: Do you mind? I I really don't. I really
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, basically, we have everything saved. I'm just here to talk to you, dude. That's all.
Speaker 2: I know. Okay? And report me and everything. Next.
Speaker 1: If I was there for that
Speaker 2: Max, your 22 year I understand to do this. I I'm the one that's not You're young. If
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Oh, alright. So what we can do is, you know, I'm not gonna stand out in the freezing weather if you're not. We can go in my car and have this talk
Speaker 2: believe, but
Speaker 1: and, we can talk about it there because I don't know. If people over here I can just tell you that I'm just here to talk to you, but if somebody else does something, I can't really control that. Right? So Yeah. I just I don't
Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable. I, I really don't know what you're going to do Well with all of that. I really don't.
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm gonna do with all of it is get it addressed with you. That's that's my plan. Yep. What? My plan is to get it addressed with you, you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know what I
Speaker 1: My plan is to take care of it here.
Speaker 2: I know what I've done. Okay. Well I don't know what
Speaker 1: Well, we have the what, obviously, but What do you do you want from me? Just kind of a well, conversation on kinda go with this. Because I think, you know, I think there are
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I feel like I shouldn't have been I should feel like I shouldn't have done any of this. I understand. It's like the first time doing this, I knew this. It felt it felt off and I should've just done this.
I should've just okay. I I don't know. Okay. It's it's I don't know. I don't wanna I it it feels like the fucking TV thing for yeah.
Well, I
Speaker 1: mean, it's not any of that. So
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know. But it feels like one of those things you can say if you're guilty is, oh, I hate to do this and stuff like that. I really I don't know.
Speaker 1: They don't much screen time. I I just care about making sure make sure that we get this addressed with you. And hey, if I'm cool that it doesn't happen again, you know, you're 22 dude. You're not fucking 50.
Speaker 2: Alright? So It definitely won't happen again because, I think you guys just need to talk to me. Definitely more than just a therapist. Okay. Well, you know Back back in high school, I definitely had a problem when it was, like, 7 feet.
I definitely
Speaker 1: With this type of stuff?
Speaker 2: Not this this type of stuff, but definitely close to it.
Speaker 1: With porn addiction type thing?
Speaker 2: Just Yeah. Okay. But not, like I mean, I'm 17. Right. How can I freshen?
Definitely.
Speaker 1: We we all we all know those people. Yeah. But, you know, it's kind of now you're 22 and and still talking to freshmen.
Speaker 2: I I don't I don't wanna harm anybody. Okay.
Speaker 1: So, does your par do your parents know about any of this? They know about the past past ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Where I told them. I was like, hey. I should tell them. Okay.
I got a little bit of help from that, but I started going back to it. So I feel like I just go back and go harder at it and not give up until I feel like I'm not getting.
Speaker 1: Are you so are you willing to go through and kinda get help?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm willing to.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I think it needs to be a little bit more than
Speaker 2: a help line. Well, obviously, more than a help line. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think people making $10 an hour on a helpline. It's like, oh, it's okay. You're gonna have too much. But yeah, man.
Obviously, I don't wanna be bending over in your window.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 1: Well, of course, Max, you don't have to, but I also don't have to have this conversation with you either. Okay? So, you know, people overhear what I'm talking about, I don't really know what they're gonna do. I'd rather just talk about this in, like, behind closed doors with you. So my car is pretty spacious.
And, obviously, I'm not gonna be holding you in there. You're obviously free to go at any time. But I think it's important that we get this addressed because, you know, I didn't come to your furniture furniture store, I didn't go to 1707, I came here. Okay? So I went a very long way for you, now you kinda gotta meet yourself halfway and go a long way for yourself now.
Right?
Speaker 2: So Yes. Is this gonna be recorded?
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Because I'm a bigger guy. I guess you're a bigger guy too. But, how tall are you?
Speaker 2: 59. Oh, alright. Weird.
Speaker 1: We you got offensive line forearms, so you're recording, but I'm willing to show you where the footage goes. You're not gonna be put on blast or anything like that, because, obviously, I could've done that beforehand. Right? But, you know, since ideally, the conversation is gonna happen in my back seat, you getting into my car closed. Yeah.
That's definitely gonna be recorded because it's very easy for and I'm not saying you will, but it's very easy for somebody to say, oh my god. The 6 foot 4 guy, he maybe get in the car with him and he drove somewhere and
Speaker 2: I No. I I understand that. Yeah. So Well, I'm not gonna report anything.
Speaker 1: I know. But I've heard that before. Oh, yeah. And, you know, I I trust you. You you know, people are crappy, man.
And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I'm not
Speaker 1: saying, but as far as I know, you you could you could be. But I trust you enough. But yeah. I mean, you know, I don't wanna read out these messages and, you know, travel to that Nebraska in there.
Speaker 2: I know I know what the message to say. I know whatever. Yeah. I know what I've done. I know what I've said.
I know what I said last night. I know what I said sure days before that. I know what I said first day.
Speaker 1: I know. I know. And, you know, I appreciate the accountability. But look, how about this, man? Let's go let's go to my back seat there.
The doors are gonna be unlocked. We're not gonna go anywhere. And like I said, it's recorded not only
Speaker 2: for Do you have pipelines in Nebraska, but deal with this kind of stuff?
Speaker 1: I'm willing I'm willing to do that for you. I'm willing to do that for you. I also do wanna address these, though. I yeah. Okay.
Because you you can't really get help for something if you don't acknowledge what that something is. Right? Well, you can, like, you know, when, you know, I'm trying to go on a diet or something. Actually, yeah, I ate too much fruit. Okay.
I get it. But, like, you know, I'm like, yeah, I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: had that chocolate cake. Yeah. Fuck that
Speaker 1: fried chicken, man. You know what I mean? You kinda gotta get to the bones of it. Yeah. And you you know, Max, my intention is to hear is to sit here and read every single message.
I'm not here to embarrass you. I'm just
Speaker 2: just Oh, I mean I'm not
Speaker 1: with that already. Right? Like but I I I think me reading every single message wouldn't be productive for any of us. But I also think that not reading any of them and not acknowledging what we said also won't be productive. So we need that the happy medium.
Right? So like I said, dude, take your keys, take anything
Speaker 2: Now you just roll around. Ow. Just walk with me. Walk with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And
Speaker 2: That's odd.
Speaker 1: Alright. You are a fine guy. Alright. My name I heard you crying.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cut your car
Speaker 1: off, dude. Let's see if that shit running. Okay. Like I said, it is on camera. We're not, like, broadcasting or anything stupid like that.
Speaker 2: So I understand that's where you sit guys are.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Just just pick just sit sit back there. The doors are gonna be unlocked. You can leave at any time. Oh, it looks much better and spacious in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Damn. We can fucking have like a
Speaker 1: football team of this dish. Here we just
Speaker 2: took these off here. Don't mind. I'm just taking them off.
Speaker 1: So, Max, how, you you grew up here? Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. I grew up here.
Speaker 1: Damn. Is that where you're supposed to be breast?
Speaker 2: And
Speaker 1: What so what what kind of how so, man? Like, is there is there, like, stuff going on in your personal life that you think could kinda sneak up? Needing this in chat? Or
Speaker 2: Just my life's kinda been always Really? It's always been
Speaker 1: How so?
Speaker 2: Just people leaving my life and friends kind of left this year, and this year's been, I think, the worst. Really? I mean, I graduated during COVID, so I didn't get to graduate technically. Yeah, man. I didn't get to go through school and shit like that.
Speaker 1: What class were you? 2020. Yeah. My,
Speaker 2: shit.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. Yeah. My little brother, he was, 21. And, yeah, I know. I I get that, man, because, you know, we graduated.
We we're we're class of, 2012. And, like, you know, obviously, senior year is fun as shit for us
Speaker 2: and Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: not really have but Nebraska kinda locked down like that during COVID?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really? January hit about 2nd weekend, everything got closed down.
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everything closed down. Got it. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I'm not here to embarrass you or anything. No.
Speaker 2: You gotta read off the messages I know. Well, I'm not gonna give exposure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But, yeah, obviously, we'll get you that. So you work at a furniture store? Yeah. Okay. How long you've been working there for?
Speaker 2: I just started there. I've been kinda bouncing through jobs. Really? And this is the final one that kinda stuck with me because I've been struggling to just figure out shit. What do you what do you get paid there?
Like, 16.
Speaker 1: It's not bad. No. Especially for a cost of living. Yeah. But I've been
Speaker 2: working at, like, Jimmy John's and Subway and stuff like that, which is
Speaker 1: free food?
Speaker 2: No. Definitely not. They don't give you free food. Goddamn, man. Well, I feel I don't even give you half off food.
Speaker 1: So Goddamn. Alright. Well, that's depressing for me. You got a good relationship with your parents?
Speaker 2: Somewhat. Okay. Sometimes we fight. Sometimes we're picture perfect, and sometimes it's just no contact whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Well, that comes with living at home. Right? Yeah. I got it, man. Yeah.
I mean, do you are you planning on getting your own place anytime soon?
Speaker 2: I live on my own. Okay. I don't I don't live
Speaker 1: with them. Got it. So you'd only want sunrise?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, obviously, you seem pretty forthcoming with wanting to get through this, and I fucking really appreciate that. Is there, like you could so I do you kinda know what I'm here to talk to you about?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Obviously. No. Okay.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised, man. There's some people that we talk to. You know, they're they're literally denial immediately. Yeah. They're literally in the apartment.
And I'm like, do you know what I'm here to talk to you about? I'm like, I don't know. I have no idea. Their pants are halfway down and shit. Like, alright.
But those are the ones that you actually kinda have to worry about. Right? Not the ones. I understand. Yeah.
Okay. Well, just kind of we'll get a baseline here just so we kind of establish some truth. This is kinda see where we are. Like, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you some questions here that I already know the answer to and I just wanna see if we're on the same page. And I think we are, but Yeah.
How old was Lilly supposed to? And I'll be honest with you. Yeah. It was Sting.
Speaker 2: So Yeah. I know. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't tell everybody that, but with you, I feel more transparent. Forget.
Speaker 2: I just know the bios at, like, 8th grade. Okay. Grade rate. I don't know. That's kinda fucked up.
I should. Saying that out loud.
Speaker 1: So but did you know she was underage?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. That's fine.
Speaker 1: So, like, without having to go into detail with these, what was supposed to be the plan today?
Speaker 2: I I was kind of chickening out. I was kinda like, I don't wanna be here. Kinda I was sitting here, like, I don't really wanna be here, but I can't just drive off. I feel like I I this is if this is what I think it is, then I probably need to see it through so I can get my scare. And, well, if it's not just a scare, then I definitely
Speaker 1: Like, what what like, basically, what was talked about, like, what was supposed to be the thing to
Speaker 2: happen today is what I'm asking. It was talked about. Yeah. Definitely. What was?
Sexual activity, but I don't know if I could even even if it was real, I don't think I could've. Okay. I think I would've I think I would've ran even if this was not a fake sting. Yeah. I think I would've ran as soon as I would've seen them.
Okay. I don't think I could've
Speaker 1: fixed it. So how did this kind of activity start with you online? Like you mentioned in high school, there is you were the senior who talked to the freshmen, which, you know, it's not out of the ordinary, but it's, you know, a little bit
Speaker 2: It's, you know It's a worried behavior. Yeah. I don't really know how this started or why it's starting. Mhmm. I don't feel like I can't be sexually active with my own age.
Really? It's not like I have a problem with anything. It's just I don't know. I'm antisocial, so the Internet's the best best thing. And even then, I suck at texting and everything like that.
Speaker 1: And what about, like, that younger generation kind of sports your curiosity? Like, the teenage range, I guess?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't really get curious about that of just, oh, they're younger, so they're I don't know what people's reasons are. Mhmm. It's just I have constant exposure of younger people, so I really don't see the appeal since since I play games with, like, my little sister and my little brother and shit like that. Got it. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, we have Lily here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But, you know, to think
Speaker 1: that Lily is the first younger person under 18 you try to talk to online would just be a very raw it would just be a very inaccurate thought, I think.
Speaker 2: So Yeah. I feel yeah. But I try to talk to you as in that Mhmm. Yeah. I don't I usually stay away from people under that age.
Under which age? Under under 18. Mhmm. That's usually, like, a rule of mine when I'm, like, playing video games is trying to stay away. I mean, yeah, I have family members that are under the age of Of course.
But, like, it's like I don't wanna talk to them because I kinda see what I would be getting into. Okay.
Speaker 1: So do you talk to adults online too? Yeah. Okay. Definitely. Got it.
So how many times, you know, obviously, I don't think there's any other underage in Norfolk, Nebraska talking to you. But how many conversations do you think you've had with, people who are under 18 online, like, in a sexual manner?
Speaker 2: I mean, not in this past year. I mean but definitely in the past past was quite a bit, but I went to go seek help for that.
Speaker 1: Okay. When did you seek help?
Speaker 2: How many years ago was that? 2021. Okay. And how old were the girls that, were talking to you? Like, 15, 16, 17.
Speaker 1: Okay. What apps was that happening on?
Speaker 2: Probably Snapchat only. Snapchat. I don't think anything else.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you were like 19 and some of the girls were 15, 16? Yeah. Okay. Who's the youngest, that's come across your thing online that's tried to talk to you?
Speaker 2: Or what age was the youngest? Like, real or this? Because then that's the youngest. Okay.
Speaker 1: Any other 13 year olds? No. Okay. So what other apps does this stuff kinda happen on? Like, obviously, you know, we know Instagram and all that.
But any other apps where you know, I think part of it, you heard of the phrase social contagion?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you're I think you're smart enough to kind of put together what that can mean, right? Yeah. So if you see, like, a bunch of people you know, if you grow up in apartments where a bunch of people are fighting each other, what are you gonna do? Probably grow up fighting people.
Right? So, I think the internet can be a big hotbed for social contagion where you see people normalizing something or you see them partaking in something, and then you go ahead and do that because, you know, it's not out of the ordinary in that in that context. Right? So, so with this whole, like, younger than 18 stuff, are there are there any other apps where you've seen people kind of just on there, like, posting stuff or talking about it? Or
Speaker 2: I mean, Instagram, yeah, it was just kind of mostly main thing.
Speaker 1: Okay. Any other ones that people have talked about?
Speaker 2: I know Twitter's got a bad thing going, but I don't use my Twitter. Sure. For that, I I've got it back up, but I was deleted for I think that was one of the past ones as well is because my my account got taken down because I had an account in the past. Mhmm. And so it was, like, IP tracing me.
Speaker 1: Okay. What did they take your first account down for?
Speaker 2: It was probably it was probably, like, 2020 when I was starting to do this shit.
Speaker 1: Okay. So just similar stuff. Kinda that's fair. Any other apps on Twitter where this stuff can happen on?
Speaker 2: I don't know any others. I I know Twitter's got a big problem with it and then, okay, Instagram is where
Speaker 1: And it happened. Anyone you've seen them, like, talk about at all that they try to get you to go on?
Speaker 2: No. Okay. I know Kik used to be a big one, but I've never downloaded Kik in my life. K I k?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I've heard of Kik. Okay. So with this stuff with, like, the young with this younger stuff, I mean, I noticed that there's some profiles that you follow and stuff.
I mean, that kind of talk about that, like, how those profiles come into your feed.
Speaker 2: It was just kinda adding stuff onto this, but I wouldn't, like, discuss with those profiles. Okay. And then, like, a week later, I would just go mental and be off of them. Okay. Because I would I would find them, have them for a week, and then be, like, fucked up and delete them.
Speaker 1: So you actually have inner battles and moments of clarity?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Go back to it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's truly a sign of somebody that wants to overcome this and climb that hill. So, I mean, I I appreciate you telling me that. That's that's something that I think that's something that I definitely look at and respect. So, you know, thank you for that. Is there anybody is there anybody online that you know that, you know, because part of part of that social contagion is, you know, porn.
Right? Is there anybody online that has just kinda sent you, some younger stuff, like images, pictures, anything like that? No. No? Okay.
So when did you and Lily start talking?
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I don't remember when I started messaging that account. Got it. Got it.
Speaker 1: How did you feel when you said she was in Norfolk?
Speaker 2: Kinda confused. It was I mean, I was doubting it from day 1. I was like, this is not really I need to stop this. Right. What do
Speaker 1: you what do you think kept you going?
Speaker 2: I'm in too deep. Okay. And so there's no getting out of it. There's no saying I didn't do this. Okay.
Got it. I mean, I kinda guessed it was gonna be a 75% chance this is gonna be the outcome. Sure. And so I was like, I need to see this through no matter what. If it was a real person, then I definitely would have Mhmm.
Drove off. That's why I kinda pulled the wrong vehicle because I didn't wanna.
Speaker 1: So what do what do you like to do in your free time? Like, do you have any hobbies or anything? I really
Speaker 2: just stay at home. I really don't do much. Play video games? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: What do you like to play?
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm on 7 Days TO Die with a couple of friends.
Speaker 1: 7 Days TO Die?
Speaker 2: Yeah. The
Speaker 1: fuck is that? It's
Speaker 2: like a it's just it's got
Speaker 1: it's just survival. It's just survival, basically. Survival in the comfort of air conditioning and the lows? Definitely not. Okay.
Speaker 2: Everything hurts. Everything hurts you. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you're playing a survival game in the comfort of, like, an air conditioning.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But but, really, so it's like is it like arch survival or is it more like day z?
Speaker 2: More like day z.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So is there, like, zombies and shit and all that? Nice.
Speaker 2: Everything hurts. You take too much fall damage. You break your leg. You can't move anymore if you, I don't know, run into something too fast. Yeah.
Definitely.
Speaker 1: Well, you got nose piercers. I know everything hurts you. No. I'm just kidding. But, no, okay.
So so there is so you, like, find other players, like, kill them and loot their shit and all that?
Speaker 2: No. It's usually it's a max people of 8 because it's only, like, a 10 kilometer.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like a small map? Yeah. Okay. Is it like a team? All along You
Speaker 2: can definitely do a team. That's what we have. We just have, like, 4 people working together.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's like, okay. So it's not like you were worried about other players more. You were worried about the elements and all that. Yeah.
Okay. Are they, like, in town here, your friends? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want some of them.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Well, there you go. I mean, I I think, you know, focusing more on that, just that team building stuff, I think that can definitely help with this. So, Max, I I know you're a good kid and stuff. And, you know, I'm just gonna ask because like I said, dude, I'm just giving you the courtesy of this talk just to get everything addressed and, you know, overcome this shit, bro.
So I'm just gonna tell you I totally understand why. I mean, nobody, unless they're a sociopath, is just gonna say everything like, say everything and everything. Right? There's always gonna be some defensiveness or there's always gonna be some, like, you know, sugar coating. That's fucking okay, man.
I mean, dude, we've every all 4 of us here, you know, we're all not associated, but we all haven't told we all know it spill all when we're getting approached about something. It fucking that's fair. But, you know, I kept asking you about another app where this happens on. You just didn't mention Telegram one time. And I know damn well you're on there.
Have been on there for a week or 2. But, and I'm going to let you know that we also have a fake trader account that messaged you as well and asked if you had photos to trade and you mentioned you did. So as far as I know, I don't know if any of those are your photos, but, I I do wanna kinda get a read on where those came from and kinda how you got into that world. That's just definitely a step. That's definitely a further step than, you know, talking to people.
Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I totally forgot about Telegram. I just did it a while back.
Speaker 1: Okay. Because
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't wanna be
Speaker 1: have it anymore. So how did how did I don't know too much about Telegram. I just know it's there's some crazy people on there. How does that kinda work?
Speaker 2: I don't know how it works either. It seems I don't know. It I really don't know how it works because when I tried to message people, it said I'm not allowed to message people, and then it when I was, yeah, it was just Okay. It was such a weird app that I kept it on my phone, and I was like, why do I still have this? I'm like, I Yeah.
I deleted it. Haven't had it back.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm kinda more curious about, like, you know, who who where those pictures came from in that 13 to 17 range that you mentioned you had. Because support to kind of track those and see because that's not something you wake up one day just looking for. I mean, I think, obviously, someone had to send those to you.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't think any of them are even lower than 17. I think all my pictures are 18. They're just smaller people that I know that I've actually talked to in real life. Okay. I've, like, met them in real life.
I know some of them. They're I mean, some of them I still talk to to this day. They're just nudes that I had from Snapchat and shit like that.
Speaker 1: Okay. How'd you meet them
Speaker 2: on Snapchat? Just kinda like old what was it, like, shout out for shout out stuff back when that was big on Snapchat. Okay. Or you would just post a bunch of people, and they would post you on their story and stuff like
Speaker 1: that. Okay.
Speaker 2: Me adding everyone back. It's just kinda
Speaker 1: How did they find you?
Speaker 2: Just me adding. It was just seeing someone do that. I'll ask for that, and then someone would add me off of that. Oh, can you do that? Yeah.
Speaker 1: It would just start branching out. Okay. So these can be people that met you in person? No. Okay.
So, Max, I'm just just I'm just asking you very nicely. And, again, like, not, like, not being completely honest, it's not gonna it's not gonna piss me off or anything. It's I understand that. But, you know, I'm fully transparent with you and 2 years, man. You're you're a kid to me, man.
Like, I get it. By law, you're 18. I understand. But, you know, until we get into that realm of the ice cream truck drivers going around the elementary school, I think we can always get some help for this. Right?
But, You know, Max, just don't sugarcoat, dude. That's what I'm asking. I mean, I mean, so far, you know, you mentioned you needed help, but there's nothing to really get help for if they're all 17 and up. So that's just
Speaker 2: It's just me lying to my photos and because yeah. Okay. Those people don't or the people that are real, they they send them and then keep asking and asking.
Speaker 1: Like for trades? Yeah. Okay. So obviously, I think there's the people in that world are something you don't wanna be associated with, okay? You know?
Because
Speaker 2: Yeah. They ask and I don't have any of that. I just lie.
Speaker 1: Just lie to get some?
Speaker 2: Yeah. But Okay. Obviously, they're now you have to send personal. It's that kind of Okay.
Speaker 1: Where where are they what what apps do they send that stuff
Speaker 2: to you? It's on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Okay. They send pictures of news on Instagram?
Speaker 2: They don't send them. They just ask. Okay. I got anything because I guess they'd see me where I'm following people. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: What other apps are they sent on? I mean, because, you know, obviously, I know I know I know Telegram is a hotbed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably Telegram, but I don't know any other apps. I really don't. So just Instagram. Instagram.
Guys on Facebook Messenger, I think Yeah. A few times, but that didn't really mistake. Okay.
Speaker 1: So when did people start kind of sending you like these underage photos? Do you know who they are?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know anybody that in real life or know their names. Sure. Their faces know anything about them. Okay.
Speaker 1: Where have they sent it on? Like, how long ago did they start sending
Speaker 2: it, I mean? I mean, Twitter back when I was 2020 and 2021 Sure. Something like that. Okay. Back when I had that original account definitely was that problem.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But, I mean, Instagram was always 1. Okay. What about Telegram? How frequently? I I think I have, like, 2 people on Telegram.
Okay. But I haven't used it. I don't even know last time I opened the app. Sure. Sure.
It's just I deleted the app, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1: What are the those people send the same shit on Telegram?
Speaker 2: There was there was one that had, like, a whole catalog that you had to buy. Really? Like, you could you can see it's, like, a whole catalog of pictures and stuff and it's like, I don't I don't feel comfortable with that. Who's the other guy? Probably you guys.
On Telegram? Yeah. You guys said you messaged us. You said you
Speaker 1: said Oh, no. Bank account. We didn't trade with you on Telegram. We messaged you on Instagram. So what what did the other guy send to you?
Speaker 2: I didn't get anything from them. You said I had a on Telegram.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We saw you had a Telegram. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But we just Was it not
Speaker 1: your guys' On Telegram? No. No.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, then that's the other one. Okay. It's whoever you guys were. Okay.
Speaker 1: So when they when they send you the news of this stuff on Instagram, is it, like, through a link or are they actual just dudes or?
Speaker 2: Through camera roll, basically. Through camera roll? Yeah. It's not like taking a picture or something.
Speaker 1: It's through camera roll. So are these do you think there are other guys having those pictures of girls, or do you think it's the girls themselves?
Speaker 2: It's it's other guys for sure. It's other people because it's definitely not the same person over and over. Oh, okay. Okay. It's people saying, oh, I have a folder of this, this, and this.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. What's the, are they saying, like, pictures, videos, or both?
Speaker 2: It's just pictures, like, cheap Snapchat quality pictures. Okay.
Speaker 1: What are the age ranges of these people have said they've had to you? Like, what what's the youngest you've seen advertised?
Speaker 2: I think 14. 14? Yeah. Okay. I don't know even top of my head because I definitely got rid of it and just I didn't I didn't wanna I didn't wanna succeed that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. No. I'm I'm not asking, like, the youngest. Oh. You probably asked for me the youngest that people have said they'd done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's definitely 14 because they all I mean, some of them say they have, like, young young. Right.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking. It's Where where have you seen people like, by young young, what do they mean they're, like,
Speaker 2: like, 10 10? 11, stuff like that. It's like
Speaker 1: no. What apps do they advertise that on?
Speaker 2: On Instagram. On several Instagram.
Speaker 1: Okay. So they they DM you that?
Speaker 2: Yeah. They DM me, and, like, do you have anything to trade? Mhmm. It's usually that. It just it's always a I forget what what Instagram calls it, where the message doesn't show up in your regular DMs.
You have to click off of it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But it's usually, like, What do you mean click off of it? Message requests. Okay. Okay. And it's usually my message request.
You got anything to trade? You got anything to trade? I really don't. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: we're not we're not naive to that because we saw that you opened our request on Instagram. Yeah. Definitely. We're not I'm just so what's the youngest that you think somebody's sent you of, like, a nude?
Speaker 2: Probably, like, 14. 14. Okay.
Speaker 1: And this is on Instagram? Yeah. What account would that have been on? Because I don't see Instagram. How long would that have been?
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I think they got shut down because last time I looked at, like, my DMs, it was kinda
Speaker 1: Instagram user?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was farther down after all people I actually talked to. Sure. It's just like it's like, where was that from? Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you know about how long ago that that guy got Cosent? And if so do you remember his name? Because that's somebody we'd wanna talk to.
Speaker 2: Definitely not. Okay. It was definitely like a burner. Definitely, it was a bunch of numbers and letters.
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you about know about how long ago this could have been?
Speaker 2: I think, like, late December, early January. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this is pretty recent. So maybe oh, man. Because Instagram, they delete account. Like, they delete accounts, but they delete delete accounts after 6 months. So oh, man.
Somebody I'll ask you later if we can remember just to kinda maybe go back and maybe get that profile link of that guy. Because that'd be important. That'd be good info for us. Because, obviously, we wanna find the source of this shit, you know. It's not fair.
I mean, you know, obviously, you make your own decisions, but it's not fair, I think, that people just you know, they they bring all these people into this world. And I think it's there's definitely a difference between the people who produce this stuff versus the people who are just kinda looking right. And, you know, everybody has temptations, and I think the Internet's a terrible place for that for that. Right? So that new to 14 or what can can you remember, like, a race of the girl?
Because I want because there's few photos that we know about, not necessarily that went to you, but, like
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell because it was definitely in, like, those LED blue. It was blue LED strips. Oh, okay. It was just black and blue. That was that was actually what I could see.
Definitely wasn't a full nude. It was like like underwear. That's pretty much it. Okay. But, I mean, that's still
Speaker 1: because you're top topless?
Speaker 2: No. Okay. Just but, I mean, I I'm guessing that still counts, obviously.
Speaker 1: Well, no no, Max. I'm I'm asking about when people have sent you full nudes because I'm not
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. The Well, because,
Speaker 1: you know, we can we can ding when stuff comes to your phone. We can't say exactly see what it is, but, you know, we know people have sent you full nudes of people who are under 18. We're asking, what's the youngest that someone sent you of
Speaker 2: a full nude under 18? Probably 14. Okay. Yeah. That's probably a range right there.
Speaker 1: What what where would that have been? On Instagram. Okay. So what what that picture kinda look like? Which is
Speaker 2: I don't know. Young poses in their room, poses on mirrors, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So this was like a solo thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're just taking selfies. Just naked? Yeah. Okay.
Probably I don't know if they're from them or if they got it from someone. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: What did the profile look like that sent that to you? Like, like, did you see tits and a vagina and all that stuff?
Speaker 2: No. It wasn't, like, anybody like, any post or anything. It was just a burner account following, like, 500 people. And then it's got, like, 50 followers. Right.
Speaker 1: I get what you It's got
Speaker 2: a bunch of number and letters at the top, and Okay. It's just, like, nothing in the profile picture Okay. Or some dumb picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Because those type of profiles, they just send full nudes. Yeah. Yeah. So on their full nudes, is it, like, are they playing with themselves or just more you just see their tits and vagina or what would it be?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's basically just that. Kits and vagina? Yeah. Okay.
They're just pausing in their rooms.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And it's not the same person over and over. It's like
Speaker 1: Oh, so they they collect.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like a collection. They send you, like, 5 photos and then ask for Shin return. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. What so what indicates that they're 14? Are these, like, people just saying this
Speaker 2: is a Oh, I just got a list of, like, oh, I got, like, 13 and through 17, or I got this list through this list.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you were kinda moving your hand down a little bit. What's the youngest list you've seen kind of, advertised? Because you kinda caught yourself. I got 13 through then you're, oh, 17.
Yeah. I caught I caught that. What's the youngest you've seen advertised for real? I don't think it's 10.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything below 10. Below 10? Yeah. Okay. That, I haven't seen, but I bet Okay.
That's not uncommon. Sure. So where are
Speaker 1: the where are these lists kind of a where like, I have a whole list or collection. I mean, what what a collection of where? Like, what I don't
Speaker 2: know where they're saying they have this collection.
Speaker 1: They just
Speaker 2: they just send me, like, 4 photos, like, you know, how you can send, like, a stack of photos
Speaker 1: to Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's basically how they send it, and then Okay.
Speaker 1: Expect you to send back. Anything, like, with mega links?
Speaker 2: No. I've heard of mega links because people ask
Speaker 1: Uh-huh. For, like, megas, but I don't People ask you for megas?
Speaker 2: Yeah. They say, oh, do you have a Mega? And it's like, I don't know what that is. Okay. But I'm guessing it's just a photo folder, I'm guessing, or what.
Speaker 1: What's the kind of layout of that like? What? The mega? I don't know. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have a mega account. Okay. I don't know if it's, like, a folder for, like, Google or, like, how it runs. It's just I know it's a folder for documents.
Speaker 1: Have you seen people advertising?
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, obviously, but see yeah. It was the other Telegram account.
Speaker 1: Oh, they were advertising megas? Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like a mega link. And, buy it off of this.
Speaker 1: Did, he send a mega link? It's like some preview or something?
Speaker 2: No. Okay. No. He sent me a screenshot Okay. With a watermark over it.
Got it. Got it.
Speaker 1: I see. Do your do your parents kinda know you have kind of this addiction at all? Or
Speaker 2: They definitely found out before, and that's when I got help Okay. The first time. Yeah. I've I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Go back. Got it. Do you wanna go to the gym at all?
Speaker 2: No. I I'm just furniture.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I can I can see that? So it's pretty I mean, that's like a so do you, like, move furniture? Or Yeah. So you're, like, the the big hitter there?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's good. I mean,
Speaker 1: dude, making 16 an hour at 22 definitely isn't shabby. That's not something to really complain about. So do you like I mean, are there, like, furniture salesman there? Like, I don't really know how a furniture store works.
Speaker 2: It's furniture salesman. You got people that run, like, accounts that make sure people are paying accounts Okay. If they're, like, renting them out, if they didn't just buy them full out. Got it. If they're, like, leasing them or renting to own them because a lot of furniture stores do that.
They have a rent to own price that's
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: Like, double of what the actual sales price is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you like your Bosch?
Speaker 2: No. He's alright. That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I mean, it seems like you got some stability finally.
Speaker 2: Not yet. Not yet. Are you, like, on
Speaker 1: the hot seat there? Or
Speaker 2: What? Are you, like, on
Speaker 1: the hot seat there? Like, does he, like, scolded you for, like, slacking or nothing like that?
Speaker 2: No. I'm definitely staying because he's gonna fire my other worker because he doesn't show up for shifts.
Speaker 1: Got it. So But you're, like, good with showing up and all that?
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's good to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, that's good. That shows me you can take accountability and actually client well, you know, figure shit out. So I I I that's that's definitely good to know, man. What about, I mean, what about is there, like, a food spot you like here?
Like
Speaker 2: I mean, cheap burritos, El Rodeo. Segue. Buying a laundromat. It's $5 burritos, size of a like, says man's. Oh, shit.
Yeah. Pretty good. I'll keep that in mind. Hey. Is it, like,
Speaker 1: run by, like, Mexican's? Is it or is it, like okay. So it's not, like, some, like, whitewash bullshit? No.
Speaker 2: Good. Good. You can get really good horchata there. No. Lemonade.
Hell, yeah.
Speaker 1: Gretos, stuff like that. Yeah, man. Well, shit, bro. They're paying you 3 burritos an hour, dawg. That's the way I look at it.
I'm fat, man. So I kinda wanna go over some of these. Understandable. Yeah. I appreciate that.
So Lily told you she was 13. Does does that kinda ring a bell? Makes sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. 13, 14. I didn't know I'm wondering. Yeah.
That's fine.
Speaker 1: So do you visit Omaha often, actually? Or
Speaker 2: I do visit Omaha quite a bit, but I every time, I was like, yeah. I'm not gonna I don't need Do you
Speaker 1: actually like oh, no. No. No. I'm not saying you're here, but do you like go like, you like going there? Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like going there. It's definitely a spot to just relax from being in a small town or a smaller town. For sure. I got a few friends up there, so I always hang out there.
Speaker 1: So you think you wanna live in Norfolk your whole life or move?
Speaker 2: I definitely wanna move, but it's definitely hard when wages are so easy Yeah. To live here. And if you try to move out, well, you are not getting paid enough to try to get out. Definitely. Definitely.
Speaker 1: So the conversation started off cordially on both city over Nebraska.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It kinda got a little bit risky, I think.
Speaker 2: Just like a daddy.
Speaker 1: Mary said I wanna heat up and do stuff. I'll touch you all over and make you feel good. Mhmm. When's the last time you had any sexual action?
Speaker 2: Probably, like, a year. Oh, shit. Okay. I just ex left, and so I kinda just been trying to mentally get through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I forgot it's been a fucking year. I hear 22. See I I see why you're here now. Yeah.
Fucked up. No. I mean, like, I I I definitely understand. I mean, you know, this was like a obviously, a 4 year old's would be excusable no matter what, but, you know, I I can shorten to starting to kinda piece together why you could be here right now if you haven't had action in a year. I mean, did your actual leaving you kinda mentally affect you?
Oh, it
Speaker 2: Fucking not.
Speaker 1: Really? How long were
Speaker 2: you all together for? 3 years. Oh. And I was planning on posing and oh, shit. Shit.
Just why'd she leave? She just, she I mean, she didn't have a job, and I was struggling financially. I got fired from Walmart and, oh, shit. Okay. I don't know.
Why did she have a job? Because I didn't really care if I, like, just handle it on my own. Working at Walmart was definitely enough because I was living in my apartment. I didn't really care. Uh-huh.
She's living with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Damn. So she just was like, you know, you're not making enough for me and just left? Basically. What the fuck?
What a bitch, dude. Well, she's is there like a bunch of millionaires in this town that she don't know about or something? What happened?
Speaker 2: I don't know. She grew up in a town of, like, less than a 100, like, an hour away from here.
Speaker 1: Tana. Maybe she was on a ranch or something? Or
Speaker 2: Pretty much. Oh. She wasn't, like, a gold digger or anything. She was pretty kind, but I guess it's just the stress got to me, and I guess I was changing as a person. So Oh, my god.
What a bitch.
Speaker 1: He was meant for you anyway. You you you'll be over it, dude. You're young. Trust me. We've been there before.
So were any pictures sent to Lily that I would probably be bringing up?
Speaker 2: I probably did. Any videos? Probably.
Speaker 1: What would the videos have been?
Speaker 2: Probably me. Well, yeah. Jacking off? Yeah. Probably.
Okay. I think there was a few that I sent.
Speaker 1: There's one with, like, a pocket pussy. Yeah. K. Was that, like, your pocket pussy or just find that from all mine?
Speaker 2: Or No. It's just I bought it from there's a doctor John's
Speaker 1: from here.
Speaker 2: So Got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor Jones? Is it like a sex shop or something? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there's someone in Omaha as well. So doctor
Speaker 1: James. John, baby. We have we have a friend named John. He's just like he's toxic, a total total douche. She got us all.
Yeah. It's a fitting name for sex shop. So so here we said, I'll still stuff your inside. I'll show you when I see you. And I was to fuck you, I want you to suck my dick.
You wanna do what adults do? And this wasn't, like, just today, this was, like, throughout the conversation. Yeah. One of them was, you know, you kind of, you know one of them was I wanna I wanna be rapping you in front of your parents and, you know, you don't look like a rapper, you look like an emo singer. But so I I don't I don't think I don't think Yeah.
I don't think
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think rapping meant,
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. I acknowledge what what it does meant mean.
Speaker 1: Okay. Like, did they were you trying to say, I wanna rape you in front of your parents?
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. It was I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that isn't language of somebody who is here to chicken out. And it it it and it's okay. Like, I mean, here I mean, you literally sent a video saying, when do we meet? And then it's videos and Chicagastax.
Is that like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know who that is.
Speaker 1: I luckily don't know porn stars too well. But, you know, in order for us to kinda overcome, we gotta acknowledge kinda what the truth is. Like, I understand the whole thing. Like, I understand the whole thing of being nervous, but chickening out is different than being nervous because we saw you for, like, 30 minutes drive, come back, drive, come back.
Speaker 2: I kept I kept leaving, and I was like, I just gotta see this through, and then I would get back up and leave, and then yeah. I was like, I need to see this through. I just
Speaker 1: need to Max, we saw you bang your head in frustration in the car. Yeah. You did something like this.
Speaker 2: I was on the phone with a friend, and he was telling me about how he was at a bar last night. He was he was talking about how, one of my exes showed up, and he was talking about me and she kept talking shit about me. So I was on the phone with my friend. I mean
Speaker 1: that's fine. I will take your word for it. But, you know, obviously, just the constant, hey. Come out. Come out.
Come out. Come out. Yeah. Like, we we we've been
Speaker 2: through this before. No. I understand.
Speaker 1: So, like, you know, I'm I'm not asking because, you know, if it was like, we'll see what happens, then, yeah, maybe just kinda say, alright. Well, you know, I could kinda I can kinda see, okay. Maybe it's a maybe maybe, but I'm not saying you were gonna rape her. Okay? I understand.
Speaker 2: No. I I I understand.
Speaker 1: We're we're we're guys. We we fucking exaggerate all the fucking time online. Like, you believe me, dude. Like, I've I've been there. Like, obviously, you know, I I I've used the r word too, talking to chicks online and, you know, never have I raped anybody, nor am I planning on it.
But, but I I guess that
Speaker 2: I I mean, yeah, it's something far more concerned. Right. But using wording like that.
Speaker 1: Sure. But what what I'm what I'm kinda here, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go back and forth on you about whether you're gonna chicken out of wanting to have sex with this girl. I mean, that's just, I mean, that's a waste of your time. It's a waste of my time because, you know, we we don't make any progress unless we tell the truth. That's comes from me and you.
So I'm not going to say, were you going to do it? Were you going to do it? Of course, you were. I mean, I'm not dumb. I care more about what was in your mind about how it was going to be done because to me, there is a big distinction of actual rape versus consensual stuff.
And I get I get I get what the agent consent is. I understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No. Yeah. But, you
Speaker 1: know, it's still like but you you get what I'm saying. You it it technically, the agent consent, it is really what it is, but there still is consensual versus forced. Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah. No. I I understand that.
Speaker 1: So I'm kinda I'm just curious, and I just want you to tell me the full truth. Even if it was the r word, I'm not gonna judge you for it, man. But I I really wanna know yeah. I I get thinking it was a setup, but, obviously, you being here, that's proof you wanted it to be real. That's that's the whole point.
Right? I just wanna know what was in your mind of what you wanted to happen today? Like, just just be honest, even if it was as far as just raping her in front of her parents, which I don't think it was. But if it was, I I do wanna know because I do want help for that. Right?
But, truly, what was in your mind today? Just be honest.
Speaker 2: I really don't know what was gonna go on today. It was definitely What were you hoping? What were you hoping for? I truly do not know, and I'm not trying to be a dick about it. It's just I really don't know what I wanted today.
Okay. Today was, I don't know, I called in, and I didn't know what I was doing. I sat at home for, like, I don't know, an hour thinking this isn't this isn't alright. I shouldn't do this. Mhmm.
I really shouldn't do this. And I was like, what time are y'all supposed to meet today? I don't remember what time. Did she give you a time? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Okay. Well, she think
Speaker 2: it was just here in Norfolk.
Speaker 1: Well, she told you at 12:30, I think.
Speaker 2: It's just Does that ring a bell to on her or telling 12:30? I think it was I'm here in Norfolk. Grandma leaving in 20 minutes. Yeah. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm gonna tell you that today, you were like, take me take a picture right now. Take a picture right now. Like, that is and Max, again, I'm just asking for accountability. I was asking for proof that she was real. Yeah.
Yeah. And that's and that's not, that's that's not behavior of, like, okay. Once you're real, I'm done. Like, that that just doesn't make any type of sense because you this would have been said. You wouldn't be here right now.
Speaker 2: I understand. I I mean, like, once I would have seen someone outside, it was just immediately, I can't I can't do this. That's just not true. I And I'm gonna counter you on that.
Speaker 1: Promise you. I That's just not true. I'm I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna counter you on that because going around the block over and over again and then asking her to come outside, you not wanting to go inside, that's not that's not, that's not once I see her. Once I see her, I'm gonna just, drive off because you were hoping she would come to the car. You were begging her to come to the car.
You're like, please just trust me. And then you said, I guess I'm gonna leave, and then nothing else was said. And then you come back around the park again. Max, you told me you haven't had sex in here. I'm I'm trying to find I'm trying to find the reason.
Like, first of all, where were where was the plan? I'm not antagonizing you when I ask this, but where was the where was the plan to where are you gonna take her today? Like, where are y'all supposed to go? You said I'll pick you up, so where are y'all gonna go?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I really didn't really think far. Okay. This this wasn't like I have a game plan. I know what I'm gonna do.
Sure.
Speaker 1: Did you bring any condoms?
Speaker 2: Not in my car. No. Where are they? They're in my apartment.
Speaker 1: Okay. When'd you buy them?
Speaker 2: Oh, I've had them for a bit. Okay.
Speaker 1: Did y'all talk about protected versus unprotected sex?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Max, I I really wanna know. What what if, I mean, again, like, anything from rape down to kissing. I I don't know. What what do you truly, what were you hoping to get out of today?
Because it wasn't it wasn't I wanted to be caught. That's just bullshit. I mean, nobody wants to
Speaker 2: be caught. Like Nobody wants to be caught. I definitely didn't want to be caught. Right. I really don't know what I wanted today.
Speaker 1: Did you wanna make this, like, a long term thing, or did you wanna see how that would go, or did you, like, were you just hoping for, like, a quick quick something then be done? Like, what were what were what were you hoping for in that regard?
Speaker 2: Just contact with another person. Okay. It's just probably that.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't, like, specifically her age.
Speaker 2: It was just contact with another person? Yeah. Okay. That's fine.
Speaker 1: What did you want that contact to be? Well, just just be honest. I get it. You're a 22 year old guy. I think I know the answer, but I'm just seeing if we're on the same page here.
What what did you
Speaker 2: want that contact to be with that other person? I really don't know. I've been in all over the place. I've gotten my opportunities in the past year to do stuff. Mhmm.
I'm I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 1: What's what is contact with another person?
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Just intimate. It doesn't mean sexual intimacy, but just intimate.
Speaker 1: So you think something's close. Kissing could've happened or
Speaker 2: Kissing probably. Cuddling. I don't know. I just I don't know. I just need to
Speaker 1: That human touch. Human. Yeah. I I feel you, man. No.
It's it's definitely hard. You know, my my girlfriend is, you know, obviously, as you can see, travel here for work. My girlfriend is long distance, so I I I get what you mean with that. Yeah. And, you you know, so I I get that I get that whole break.
I get that whole break, and it it sucks. But what I can also tell you is that as soon as that break is as soon as that break is done, it's there's nothing but getting right into it. You know? So that that's why I'm curious. Like, how how far did you want it to go today?
Or how how far would you have let it go today? It's my question. Like, full on, like, sex or would have been, like, just a blow job, pussy licking? You know, I use that with source because we're both, like, younger. Just we could talk like that, but
Speaker 2: probably just full on make out because I don't
Speaker 1: just full on make out. Just tell the truth, bro. There's no reason to not just tell the truth. I know. I know.
I mean, you sent a you sent a video of you fucking a pocket pussy And Yeah. I know. And you said I wanna and and you said I wanna rape you in front of your parents. So that that doesn't I mean, I'm not again, I'm not, you know, I'm not just instantly taking your word that you want to rape her in front of her parents, but I'm also not just taking your word that she's gonna be making out. Like like, truly, well, how how far could God today, Max?
I just want the truth. That's that's all I care about right
Speaker 2: now. Probably sex. I don't know. Where would that have happened? Probably in my car.
In your car? Got any place in mind where that could have gone down? No. No? What were you gonna do when sex was done?
Probably bring her back around. Probably bring her back around? Well, obviously, bring her back around. I don't have anywhere to
Speaker 1: Okay. No. I I only ask that because there are people that fuck these girls and and not just underage, but, like, to have sex with a woman in general that they or never heard from again. So that's an important kind of I
Speaker 2: don't separation there, I'd say. I don't have time or money to do that. Oh, no. I have some friends that have been through that. Like, they're from England, and they're not originally from England.
They were brought there. What? Yeah. My friend, The fuck happened? I really don't know.
She she really doesn't remember much. She just kinda says, yeah. It was brought here. Originally lived in Spain. Live here now.
Live here in a group home now. How old is she? She's 19. She's doing pretty well. Nice.
Speaker 1: Alright. Yeah. So that is an important distinction to make that you're not one of those guys that does that. I mean, if you want some pussy, that's fucking one thing. I mean, that's that's you just not being a fucking guy, you know.
Okay. So I'm just asking, any plans on being forceful with any of this?
Speaker 2: No. Okay. So I really am I'm not like that. I can't do that. Okay.
Speaker 1: So so as far as it could have gone today, it's consensual sex. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. And that's give me a peace of mind, truly.
I I mean, I appreciate I know. It's fucked, but I appreciate that, man. But it it's definitely, because, you know, when it comes to raping people, not even just of anybody, that that's that's really a fore that's really a that's pretty foregone, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I I kinda wanna revisit I I kinda wanna revisit some of, I wanna kinda revisit some of this stuff online, like, what these other assholes are putting because, you know, objectively, you told a 13 year old and I I get it. Like, it's it's but but the point is it's like we we know it's fake, but the person saying it doesn't necessarily know
Speaker 2: it's fake.
Speaker 1: And you're smart enough to where I can just talk in these terms because we you know, some of these old fucks I'm like, so this 13 year old girl with you? I'm like, yeah, man. It was a sad like, you're transparent with me. I'll be transparent with you. It's all fucking fun, dandy here.
But objectively, you put on paper in your mind to a 13 year old girl, you know, I wanna rape you in front of your parents. That, I don't think it comes from nowhere. I don't think you woke up one day and just, and just were like, you know what? This sounds really good to say and think about right now. I I think that comes from a lot of fucked up people online, sending shit.
So so I wanna revisit. I think kind of your line might be 13, 14, and up. Like, I don't think if somebody was 8 years old, that would be interesting to you at all. But, but but you know how normalizing stuff works. They throw out something so outrageous that it makes the still outrageous but less outrageous stuff that much easier than normal.
Right? So it it's like, I don't know where you line align politically. But, you know, when they fucking when when is shit like, okay, kids should have transition surgery at 3 years old. That's fucking crazy. Right?
Yeah. But then it normal but it's like, okay. Well, not 3. We'll wait till they're 14 or 15 to do that. And then it's still kinda crazy, but it's not as crazy as 3 year olds.
So they throw out something extremely crazy and it kinda brings it back down to, like, you know, some are slightly less crazy. That's what I think happened. I think online, you've seen some really crazy shit, and then it kinda brought it to where, like, okay. I'm not like that, but I'll settle with 13 and up. You know what I mean?
You you get what I'm trying to say here? I guess. Yeah. Like, you you move the goalpost so far that when you try to bring that goalpost back, you don't bring it all the way back. You know what I mean?
Like, I do a terrible job explaining it here. I understand. It's
Speaker 2: seeing what, I guess, I don't know, preferences. You set an an set an extreme goal, and then, I don't need to do all that.
Speaker 1: So I'll just be here. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you for not being a fucking 50 IQ retard. I tried to explain that to someone the other day, and he was just sitting there, like like, dude.
Like, I literally had to get up and, like, show like, I had to stand up and say like, I got out of the car, and I showed him, look, dude. You you you cast the line this far. You bring it back, but you don't bring it all the way back.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay. And I'm
Speaker 1: like, fucking, dude, just talking talking to fucking retards pisses me the fuck off. Like, dude, you could tell me that, like, you have, like, bodies buried in your basement. And as long as you're not retarded, I'll be, like, less mad at that than just being a fucking retard. Like, how do these people even function? But, anyway, that's a whole tangent.
But that that that's kinda my theory, man. You said they advertised, you know, 10 year olds. And, you know, we're getting into the realm of, like, mega links and, you know, even whatever being sent, nonsense, whatever. Just the fact that it's advertised, that's pretty deep into this world. I know mega link.
I mean, once you're in the mega once you're batting with the mega links, that's crazy fucking shit. Yeah. And I'm also not naive that, you know, I don't think you have any VPNs, do you?
Speaker 2: I don't know how to run a VPN. Alright.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm also not naive as you you know, you told me earlier. I get it, man. I get it. We all we all never say the full truth, 1st and foremost. I'm not naive, man.
I know
Speaker 2: you clicked on some mega links. Oh, no. I just don't have any make mega links.
Speaker 1: Oh, no. I'm not saying you have them. I'm just saying they can be opened without an account. They can be clicked on.
Speaker 2: Oh, I every time I click yeah. I've clicked on them. But every time you click on them, it tell me the password and tell me a new account. I'm like, I don't need the account. Okay.
Speaker 1: So that's what it would have been if you were to click on it because we have some records of that being clicked on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so you clicked
Speaker 1: on it. So what what was supposed to be on those links that were you clicked on?
Speaker 2: Probably underage photos. I don't know what they're supposed to be. I didn't get to see them.
Speaker 1: Got it. Mother-in-law. How could you acquire the password for that account for the to get into that folder?
Speaker 2: I don't know what I don't know how they'd work them. Okay. I don't know if it's like an ownership thing. I don't know if it's a ownership thing or if it's like I don't know. Like, you have to get an access link as well.
Yeah. Because, I mean, some apps work like that with authentication stuff. Mhmm. You need, like, an access code. You do your password, and then you need an access code to get into, like your account.
Okay. And I do it with my Steam account. So Yeah. Yeah. No.
I used to have Steam back in the day.
Speaker 1: So with with Mega Links, like, that that's my point. Like, it asks you for a password. I don't think you just sat there like, oh, okay. Just ask me for a password. Obviously, then you have to go ask the person what the password is.
So how how do that how does that go?
Speaker 2: I I don't ask him. No? Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm trying to think,
Speaker 2: and I
Speaker 1: think the reason you told me 14 earlier is because that's kind of your line and your, I guess, in a weird way preference, at least when you're online or at least that's something that you're not opposed to. But like I said earlier about them throwing out some some crazy shit and then it makes you okay with less crazy shit, What would be the youngest and, again, don't think this is don't think I think this is you asking for it. Don't think I think this is you, looking for it. But I'm gonna remind you that seeing stuff doesn't make you culpable. Like, remembering doesn't make you culpable.
Obviously, you you don't play that dumb game of, like, you don't remember. Of course, you do. And then I appreciate that. But we've all seen the video of 911 happening. Right?
Where planes, you know, the story is they hit towers and we've all seen that video and it's definitely unpleasant to watch, right? But we've seen it, right? We've seen car crashes. They're unpleasant to watch, but we've seen it. So I'm asking, what do you think the youngest either picture or video that someone sent you has been?
Because, again, seeing is not liking, but I'm thinking seeing could definitely flip your mind in a way without you even knowing. So the
Speaker 2: I really believe it's only been, like, 13, 14. 13, 14? Yeah. I believe because I don't know. Okay.
I can't really age check. I can't Yeah. Golf photos. That's what they advertise.
Speaker 1: That's what they say that they have. So Well, that person that advertised the 10 year olds, what was happening there?
Speaker 2: He asked for photos of 10 year olds and obviously don't have any 10 year old photos. So I just kinda just kinda dipped it, left them on red, and, yep, texted me, oh, you have any? You have any? You have any? Hello?
Are you still there?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Was this on Instagram or Telegram? Instagram. Instagram. Okay.
What about on, like, Telegram or Twitter or anything? Has anybody, say, you're asking for 13 or 14 or say you're hoping to find that, has anybody thrown in something that's a little bit it's extremely ugly that you just clicked off of? Because, you know, I I know you have limits, Max, but a lot of these people, a lot of them are 4 and they don't have limits. And, you you know, it's hard for me to believe that if this world has sucked you in for the past, shit, 2024, almost 4 years at this point, that, you know, you just stay kind of above water in that teenage range, you'd be you'd be the first in I don't even know how many, and I don't think you're the first, because we've had people that have just been in this world for 2 months, and they're already telling me they've just seen just the craziest shit you can think of. And that isn't and those people are worse with technology than you are.
I mean, you're actually good with technology. Like, that's what I'm trying to get at here, dude, because we've already established that your thing is 13 and up or whatever. I mean, that's something I can get that's something I can get helped. Because still development, you know, develop developing is it but but, you you know, I I also do want you to help me find probably these producers of child porn and producers of people actually abusing kids because at some point, like, yeah, by law, whatever, you have sex with a 13 year old, they're gonna say it's statutory rape. But at some point, you know, if it's a 5 year old, there's no statutory.
It's it's fucking objective rape. Right? Yeah. So, that that's kinda what I'm looking for, man. And I don't think in 4 years that it just stayed above ground with teens.
I mean, yeah. You looking for that? Sure. Absolutely. I don't think you've ever looked for anything younger.
I'm not gonna ask you if you didn't have. But, but people sending shit, yeah, there's no reason to not tell me what they've actually sent because I I don't even need to prove it with records. I can just prove it that, okay, you've been in this world for 4 years, people are just gonna send this shit because it just happens that way, especially Telegram, Twitter. Anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what do you think it could be, man? I really don't know. I mean, there was one guy that was on a big old, like, big folder. Mhmm.
Don't know if it was even on anything that I've seen before. It was just a screenshot with a bunch of watermarks, really, and then asking for a price. Okay.
Speaker 1: What apps do they usually like what mediums
Speaker 2: do they use to charge people on these things for these things? Like I have no I don't really ask for the price. I'm not looking to pay for this stuff. It's not my it's not my thing. I got other things to worry about.
Sure. I got bills to pay. Yeah. I don't have
Speaker 1: you ever, bought before?
Speaker 2: Don't think so. I think I've bought, like, an OnlyFans in the past.
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you ever bought any of these menus that they sell even? Some of them sell for super cheap. I mean
Speaker 2: No. No. Yeah. I think I've only bought, like, an OnlyFans in, like, 2020, and that was my friend's OnlyFans that lives here. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really I'm really trying to think, Max, because, you know, they they they give they give free mega links. Because I'm giving you I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here that just saying I'm gonna rape you in front of your parents isn't organically thought of. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: me giving you the No. I understand. It's probably what I've been exposed to on Twitter because Twitter is Crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
People saying that stuff all the time. It's kinda just in that medium of
Speaker 1: rough sex or gray. Ever been on the dark web?
Speaker 2: No. I don't know how to access that. Okay. Any have you ever tried to? Like, ever got the Tor browser or anything?
I don't know. Has anybody ever invited you on the dark web? No. No. Okay.
I think the closest thing I've gotten in the dark web was being back when before they had any, like, censorship on anything they had. Because they used to have, like, 0, like, control over every link. What was that? On Bing. On Bing?
Yeah. How how long ago would that have been? That was, like, 2020, 2019, probably. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So they, okay. So so Bing's allowed all that shit pretty much.
Speaker 2: Bing used to. They used to kinda just brush over it. Everything was just up and there. You would look up porn, but go, like, 3 3 links down, and you'd find something with an x y z link. What would be on those links?
Just like spam. Hell of spam. You click on something, you go to the next link. Just click on something, just keep going and going. Did it show the, like, younger stuff sometime?
It was like, oh, young taboo shit. And that's that's basically what it was advertising. It was just, like, just, we're falling on that.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. Yeah. God, I'm really trying to think. I mean, you have, like, Viber or Anigamire or anything like that?
Those
Speaker 2: Do you have those apps? Apps? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Max, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I get people on Twitter are just fucking wild, but
Speaker 2: I think that's where I got the rape thing is. Yeah. Rough sex. Rape, thin line Mhmm. On Twitter at least.
Speaker 1: I'm just not really comprehending why people why they would have sent you free photos of 13 and up, but then when it comes to 13 and down, they're just, well, it's a good they're charging. They're don't do this. I mean, I I just I'm just not really I'm just not really on the same page with you on that one, man. No.
Speaker 2: I I understand, and I wish I could make it better to understand, but I really, yeah, I really do mean it when I I don't go looking out for those people that are willing to trade and stuff like that. It's them hitting me up.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 2: I haven't not that moment of clarity where I'm, like, deleting all those photos. It's still me in that down in the
Speaker 1: down in the
Speaker 2: down in the down in the ground. Just like
Speaker 1: Where are you doing that from?
Speaker 2: From Instagram. I just delete their DM or not even accept some of their DMs. Okay. And if I have, like, a time of clarity, yeah, it's just immediately. I don't I don't wanna deal with this.
Speaker 1: How many times do you think you've traded? Like, they send you something, you send them something back.
Speaker 2: I send them pictures that I have of actual people of my age, stuff like that. I don't have any young people on my phone.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Max, because if if they've sent you, like, 13 on up. Yeah. You know, obviously, at some point so you're telling us on this fake trader that you have that you have basically 13 to 17 Yeah. That Max, there's nobody there's nobody that's a real person in Norfolk that just gives you their news to trade with pedophiles on Instagram. There's nobody doing that shit.
Okay?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just asking because, you know, I still do wanna make that distinction or hopefully get to that distinction if any
Speaker 2: of these photos are years that you took yourself of underage or if you just pulled them from somebody else because, you know It was, like, high school flings. It was or not high school flings, but it was, like, flings throughout that time of just, like, yeah. I'll send you a few nudes. You sent me a few nudes. People I met on Tinder.
People I met on Bumble and stuff. Okay. And then we just stopped talking. Okay. So you said other people's nudes just willy nilly?
Yeah. Because I saved them from when I had them. And Okay. They were, like, 1920 when I met them. Okay.
So we're just
Speaker 1: well, is there because, you know, obviously, know, I told you that the reason we know that people sent you nudes of younger than 18 is because we can ding that. You know, we can also ding what goes out. I mean, there hasn't been all those photos that people have sent you. It's probably dozens or I don't even know. It's definitely more than 5.
You know, from 1 person, it could be 5. Sure. But all this shit getting dinged, I do believe that you took some of them and sent them to other people, or they're just passing around like a hot potato. Like, no. No.
No. No. Not film them yourself. Oh. But, basically, the photos of, like, say, the 14 year old that somebody sent you, you just take them and send it to somebody else.
Because you're following on that Noodles account, it is it's a lot of people. It's a lot of traders, man. It's a lot of traders. Same on your main one. Like, all these people wouldn't be hitting you up unless they know you'd actually trade.
Speaker 2: Oh, I I really don't. It's like it's not like something I'm looking out for. Mhmm. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm willing to believe that you've, people sent you more than you've sent them. I mean, I believe that. But in 4 years of doing this, do I think you've never sent a nude of someone who's underage to somebody? Of course, I don't believe that. That's just ridiculous to even tell me.
Speaker 2: I always send the ones that I have saved from when I was talking to chicks that were, like, right out of high school. Okay. So It was it was when I was right at the hospital. I had those pictures there so long.
Speaker 1: I mean, all these people here, Max, are all people that trade or sell underage nudes, almost every single one, I mean, Tsing, Freeop Goon, all these people partake in this type of stuff. And for me to think that for me to think that the real thing hasn't been sent their way either, that they're just sending you this shit. I I don't think you can infiltrate for that long and speed guys just getting photos. So I kinda wanna know, Max, what you sent, and I'm trying to I kinda wanna know where that would have came from, dude. This right here, I mean, this is old this isn't for gaming.
This is only for basically trading. Okay?
Speaker 2: It's just meant for porn. It was just porn.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It meant for porn. Sure. And, you know, all the pages that Noodles was following, none of them were adult stuff or very few. But if I were to just me eyeballing it, I could see this is all like teen teen teen teen teen.
But based on the language that you used on the fake trader account, when we when we we messaged you on the fake trader account, excuse me, Trying to find it here. You know, you instantly knew, like, go to Telegram, you know, hit me up on there, shit like that. I mean, the the I mean, this is shit. This is something that somebody who's been who's been in this world for a while would say. I mean, this isn't like, what do I do?
This is like immediately. This is the I mean, this is just immediately, like, you know what you're doing here, all of this. So we asked you here on the on the daddy daughter account, nothing much, horny as fuck, do you trade? And he said, I do. And we said, I'm looking for lowly content young and you say, what do you got?
And we say infant. It's hard to find. We say we have a daughter that we play with. And you say, I have pictures of 13 to 17. And there's no way you're passing off a 20 year old that's 13 years old because immediately people would call bullshit on that.
So we ask here, what's your TG? Anybody looking at yeah. Looking at that, I mean, we know it's Telegram, but it takes kinda being on this for a while. There's no t g instantly means Telegram. And you say, give me yours, and then you double text here and say, question mark.
So this isn't you know, we say we have a daughter, but she's 10, and you're still asking for that telegram. Okay? We we're in no way where we're advertising that we trade teens. So if you're still asking for Telegram when we're saying we have a daughter, she's 10, and the account that we're using is clearly indicates that we're producing stuff like that. Yeah.
I have pictures 13 to 17. Max, I don't give a shit that you have pictures 13 to 17. I care more about where they came from, which I think Instagram. And I care more about how many times that these were sent to people because this isn't this isn't to fuck you. This is truly just to kinda see get a gauge of, like, how often this shit's being traded.
And I think you can help me with that. But don't throw these Tinder chicks under the bus and use their photos. I mean, holy shit, Max. I mean, that is I mean, you get more trouble getting some Tinder bitch using her tits to send. I mean, she because she if she finds out about that, that's right here, right now.
She goes to the PD, and you get in trouble. And you're kinda I get it. It's, like, kind of, you know, it's obviously a worry that we all have with them. But that that's not something you're doing willy nilly. Because I truly believe you have respect for females.
Like, that's why I gave you credit. Like, I don't think you were gonna rape her. I truly do think if, for example, if Lily were to say I don't wanna do this today, you wouldn't have done it. I truly believe that. But, I I think the reason that you were being truthful here, I've pictured the 13 to 17, is because I think it's easier for you to just not know who these people are and just kinda look at it as like a trading card rather than like, okay, this is, this is Linda from from Tinder and damn sure.
So just just just be honest about it, Max. I mean, how many pictures of 13 to 17 did you mean here when you said I have those pictures?
Speaker 2: I I don't have pictures of 13 through 17. What did you mean by that then? I have pictures of people that I know.
Speaker 1: That's just not true, dude. I don't believe that. Have you ever taken something that somebody else sent you, a 30 to 17, then passed it along to somebody else?
Speaker 2: No. I usually just send what I have of people that I've known in the past.
Speaker 1: Okay. So those pictures of 13 to 17 that people have actually sent you, what do you do with those pictures?
Speaker 2: Just kinda stay there for me to go back and look. Go back and look. If I go back and look.
Speaker 1: So you've never
Speaker 2: so
Speaker 1: we have you at least, like, forwarded it to people? Like, what? Like, like, those types of picture, like, forward it, like, just copy and pasted them for somebody else. So I don't think you get this far in something without having to actually do the real thing. It's like an initiation thing.
Speaker 2: Like, forward it forward the pictures? Or
Speaker 1: Yeah. Forward the pictures to other people who ask for them.
Speaker 2: I just send the same pictures I have. Same ones.
Speaker 1: What do you mean same ones?
Speaker 2: I don't, like, collect other people's pictures. I just send the pictures that I have, the ones that I've had for quite a bit, ones that have been in an account for quite a while. Okay. So I've been in my camera for quite a while because they're all spread out throughout my camera. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: So we said, what's your telegram? And he said, give me yours. I mean, why were you so interested in the telegram after after we kind of said, like, you know, we have a daughter who's 10.
Speaker 2: Well, were you just curious about Telegram and anything, really. I don't know. I don't know how it works. It's something different from what I've used in the past. Mhmm.
And so don't know how to use it. When I have people use it, maybe it's a lot easier. But Dude, you're 22. You can figure out an app in 2 seconds. I'm really stupid.
I had Actually I had to build my my PC, and it took me about 2 weeks to figure out everything because nothing was working.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. Well, building a PC is different than Well, yeah.
Speaker 2: I happen messaging somebody. Well, yeah. I'm just not super tech savvy. I'm not I don't I don't know how to say it. It.
I'm really not that tech savvy.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you're able to use Instagram and Telegram Yeah. Is just another messaging app. So if you already talked to 2 people on Telegram previous to any of this happening, of course, you know how Telegram works. It's the fucking messaging app.
And you said, here, give me your Telegram and links for just trade picks. You said, picks. Max, dude, I I just don't think that I mean, you were you've been honest about every other thing except for that not only not only have people sent this crap to you, but you've partaken in trade again. Like I was saying earlier about social contagion, dude. I'm not saying you're you're some kingpin trader or anything like that or
Speaker 2: No. I know.
Speaker 1: You're a producer. But, dude, you're 22, and you don't make the best decisions. Okay? And that fucking happens. But right now, the worst decision is just not telling the truth about it.
Okay? So I'm just asking, was there anything, even like one time where you just kinda took something of this age range, just that teenage age range of 13 to 17, and somebody just asked for it and you just send it to them, just forwarded it, just got out of your way?
Speaker 2: No. I send the same photos I have on my camera roll. Who are those girls then that you send? Chicks that I've met with before, people that I've known, people I've known online.
Speaker 1: You sure I'd have to pass that off as 13 to 17 to these people?
Speaker 2: Basically.
Speaker 1: What do they say?
Speaker 2: They're stupid, and they just say, oh, thank you. They they like photos of just naked women. It's doesn't even matter. They don't they're like, oh, that doesn't look I see.
Speaker 1: Is there is there anything, that's on your phone or Instagram that we need to get rid of?
Speaker 2: I mean, the Lily account is probably just something I need to get rid of. Mhmm. Is it
Speaker 1: your phone?
Speaker 2: That's my fault. That's my phone? Shoot. That's my dad.
Speaker 1: You you can answer it.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I don't know, but I don't feel comfortable with that right now. That's fine. Just, I mean, yeah, the Lily thing, I definitely need to get rid of. Do you still have here real quick. Do you still have Telegram on there?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Okay. Max. Here, you can put it up, dude. What?
Speaker 2: Dude, Max, I just
Speaker 1: sold the mega app on your phone. Mega app? Yeah. Right there. Right here?
Yeah. Do you have any, like, documents on there or anything? Okay. Can you show me Telegram?
Speaker 2: Menu. What does Ellie say?
Speaker 1: I'm in too many. She's in
Speaker 2: too many one.
Speaker 1: Hold on.
Speaker 2: What does that say? That dodgy guy menu? Yeah. This is the Okay. That's what that guy sent up.
Yeah. I see. Yep. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Payment methods. Right. Right.
Speaker 1: What's this, what's this what's this goon and what's this goon in Discord? What did you mean by that? It's like
Speaker 2: a it's a porn Discord. You just send porn. Okay. It's just it's straight up porn.
Speaker 1: Has anybody in that, any any anything on Discord where people have advertised the younger stuff?
Speaker 2: No. Because, usually those goon the the porn discords usually shut that down immediately because Mhmm. They don't wanna get their Discord taken down because as soon as something like that is crossed, it immediately gets taken off. So they usually deal with that pretty swiftly. Yeah.
If shit looks too young, they'll immediately take it down.
Speaker 1: Have you seen bad apples post in that shit before like that?
Speaker 2: I haven't been able to see it being posted. I've, like, when I get home from work, I'm on it to look at porn, obviously, and I see, like, someone talking about, that's too young, bro, and there's no conversation above it. Uh-huh. And then they're gone. I hear just I just see a lot of people ban and ban.
Mhmm. It's a good at submitting. Or
Speaker 1: So what else you got going on today? Like, your how how often do you work?
Speaker 2: I work every day, basically. 7 days a week? 5 days a week. Get set. Some days always off.
Nice. Nice. But, usually, if need help, I usually go in on Wednesdays as well.
Speaker 1: You get, like, overtime for that or anything?
Speaker 2: Not really trying not really supposed to get overtime. You get in trouble if you get in overtime.
Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah. Cheap fucks, man.
Speaker 2: You know? Well, I don't know what I'm gonna do today. Probably call up some call up a clinic. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you like I mean, do you do you do you see, like, an end to this? Like, do you do you think this can
Speaker 2: I definitely see that I can make a change, but it's definitely gonna be a long time? Yeah. It's not gonna be just a quick and easy and free way. I'm definitely gonna have to pay with it, not even with just money. Mhmm.
Obviously, a lot of money, but time as well.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And a lot of being try trying to be more open. Yeah. Because, I mean, therapists right now is mostly just for my mental issues and shit like that. Mhmm. Just life kicking my ass and stuff, trying to get me to do more stuff with my life.
Speaker 1: Alright. I mean, on on Discord, like, how I mean, is there, like, underage people in that Discord? That goon that goon one? Or
Speaker 2: they make you send a picture of your ID. I had to do a picture of my ID, a selfie, and a piece of paper with my ID or my, like, username. Mhmm. Most of the other ones just get, like, taken down immediately. Or if they don't, they go private, and you can't use them on your phone.
You can only use them on a laptop or PC or computers.
Speaker 1: Right. Right.
Speaker 2: Because Discord mobile app has a lot of different rules than just Discord.
Speaker 1: So that's, like, on the on the mobile app thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Mobile well, this one's still on the computer.
Speaker 1: I mean, do any of your friends know you were, like, talking to Lily or anything?
Speaker 2: No. Even my friend that called me earlier didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 1: Really? So what is your, I mean, where does everybody think you are right now?
Speaker 2: They thought I was just driving around. I mean, there's a chick that I'm talking to right now, and she's probably worried sick about where I am because I probably haven't texted her
Speaker 1: in a while. Is she in
Speaker 2: the area here? She lives, like, an hour away. Again, on a a different hour away. Oh, are you upset with me? I was gonna say it was napping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I I think it's a I mean, it is something you're ever gonna tell anybody about, you think? Or I
Speaker 2: mean, my parents know about the past, and probably need to tell them about this. Yeah. But I feel like I should probably tell them, but I want to actually, like, sit down and talk to them because I I talked to them about my suicidal past and shit like that where this past year has been, like, the worst. Yeah. And I think I think them helping me.
I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: So what about, shit. What are you gonna say? Look. I'm sleepy.
Speaker 2: Drive okay down here?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, man. Yeah. I mean, obviously, this isn't a world
Speaker 2: you should be in. No. I I have so much going for me. I have I have an easy life. I don't know why I make it so much harder.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. I mean, absolutely, man. It's just don't don't throw it all away because for this,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I don't want to. That's those are the that's what I say when I'm having those moments of clarity where I delete everything and retry.
Speaker 1: What do you say what makes you keep coming back to this type of stuff?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's easy. Everything is easy. I mean Mhmm. I went sober, like, a year ago.
Yeah. Doctor broke up. And, I mean, it's easy to go back to, but
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, it's like an it's like an addiction. There's not too much help for for, know, it's Alcoholics Anonymous. There's a drug, you know, drug clinics. There's nothing for this.
Same type of thing. God, I keep forgetting what I was gonna ask. Is there, oh, yeah, a passcode on your phone. Is your phone password protected? Like like how?
Like, you open it. Like, do you have to put in a code to open it?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah. It's not, like, super secure. It's just How many digits of that code? There's 6.
Speaker 1: Is it, like, child porn related at all? What? That code. The code? Yeah.
Speaker 2: No. It's my birthday. 120301. Oh. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was about to say because there's actually, like
Speaker 2: oh, there's people that oh, yeah. Oh.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. They, they definitely do shit like that, man.
Speaker 2: They might.
Speaker 1: It's typically when I ask, you know, is your code child porn related? Like, you can tell when they know what I'm talking about. When they don't, you know, it's kinda obvious like that. But, so is there anything that's ever been saved on your gallery that we need to get rid of right now that could be underage stuff? I mean without deleting anything, do you think there's anything like
Speaker 2: I mean news? Not any child. Yeah. There's there's, like, porn, obviously. There's Yeah.
Yeah. There's literally my friend. Yeah. There's more friends. There's porn.
There's porn. There's there's all that porn. Yeah. That's what I usually send. Uh-huh.
And it's probably I think there's another, like, whole list of it, like, way, way up from it being that old. I think I would, like, resaved it. Uh-huh. Oh, but none of this is, like, underage. Yeah.
No. I can I can see?
Speaker 1: Is there, like, a hidden folder at all?
Speaker 2: What would be on there? Nope. Just jacking off my senior photos. I that TikTok. Oh, you played golf?
Yeah. I played golf. Any recently deleted? Sync. More pictures.
Porn pictures? Yeah. Yep. I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah. Definitely a porn addict. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But other than that, no no underage on my phone. Right. I don't do that. Text her. That's basically it.
Mhmm. Okay. If I open up the door and spit out my gum. Oh, dude. I've definitely been chewing this for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You you don't have to apologize. No. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice, Ryan.
Speaker 1: It is, man. It is. It is. Because we're working overtime. So, I mean, like, is there, like, anything you wanna do when you're older, like, job wise?
Or
Speaker 2: I mean, I wanna I went to New York for a semester. For college? Yeah. Or IT. I went to the Fashion Institute of Technology on there, but I was just broke.
That was during COVID too. And
Speaker 1: Oh, New York, that COVID was like something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was it was hell. It was absolute torture of being there.
Speaker 1: So I mean,
Speaker 2: it was kinda cool to walk around in the street without anybody there, but
Speaker 1: Did you have to, like, pay the well, obviously, did you get
Speaker 2: anywhere? Really what
Speaker 1: do your parents do for work?
Speaker 2: Mom's assistant to a basically her boss. Uh-huh. And my dad works on an auto body shop. Nice.
Speaker 1: So, like, a mechanic?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Dent repair, paint repair. Nice. Frame repair, anything repair. Nice.
So they
Speaker 1: so they gave birth to someone who's more into the the fashion industry. That's it.
Speaker 2: My mom has a both of them have art degrees. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, I
Speaker 1: guess you said panic. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, both of them have art degrees, but both of them don't use their art degree. So it was kinda just like like art, like fashion. Obviously, I'm not dressed like Like me? No. I'm still dressed like a bum.
Yeah. But, I mean, I don't know. I don't know how to I don't know. Shit. In a bit.
Is there
Speaker 1: any good place for, like, fried pickles around here?
Speaker 2: Fried pickles? Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: have my girlfriend order some.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No. No. I don't think so. Let me see that.
What do you
Speaker 1: say that place we call? Rodeo?
Speaker 2: El Rodeo? Yeah. Let me point you in that direction, I guess. That's downtown. Oh, shit.
It's it's behind a that's literally behind an abandoned Oh,
Speaker 1: yeah. She looks good as fuck.
Speaker 2: Goddamn, bro. Yeah. It's, like, hell achieved, but hella good. Got Horchata there. Horchata is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No shit.
Speaker 2: It's in one of those slushy mixers.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: Oh, dude. Yeah. It's a small menu, but it's best. No shit. And it's a hole in the wall.
Speaker 1: Wow, man. It's fucking good.
Speaker 2: Their their beef burritos aren't really beef. They're steak burritos. Oh, dude. That's even better. And they're not like tough steak either.
It's pretty tender. For sure. For sure. Wow, man. It's pretty good, man.
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: How far are we from Lincoln?
Speaker 2: Do you want miles, or do you want time? Oh.
Speaker 1: That's how I measure. It's like 2 hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah. 2 hours. 2 hour drive. Alright. Hour 50, I believe.
Okay. Go through Columbus. Yeah. Yeah. All the way down.
Speaker 1: O for show.
Speaker 2: You guys from Nebraska?
Speaker 1: Oh, from really from Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. You know? Just had a friend move down here from where in Texas, though? South of border Texas. Really?
South of border Texas. Oh, shit. I think it was Los Indios.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's fucking how how why do you move here? That's like Engineering
Speaker 2: degree. It's, down there. It's, like, 46100 for a semester. Here, it's, like, 21100.
Speaker 1: Oh, so he's like a so he does, like, he does, like, kind of a he does like a so he does a fuck. Whatchamacallit? Oh, shit. Oh, so he's, like, in school right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's in school right now.
Speaker 1: So there's, like, an engineering school in Norfolk here?
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's engineer classes, and then as soon as you get, like, I think, year 3, year 4, you go to Omaha or Lincoln. Nice. And then do the rest of your classes there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Seems like this town's, like, starting to pop a little bit. I mean, there's new ass apartments here and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. People are moving.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Manuel. Yeah. So, I mean, as for therapy, is this something you're willing to pay money for?
Speaker 2: I mean, I have insurance. Yeah. But I definitely pay money for it. Okay. Do you have, like, specialists in Nebraska?
Speaker 1: In Nebraska? I mean, not necessarily. It's
Speaker 2: probably something I'll have to research and get a few calls to see what what kind what I can do. Mhmm. Because I bet all of them are not in or any of them are in this town. They're either in Omaha or Lincoln. That's where I went to therapy for the last few years.
Speaker 1: You had not too many therapists here. No. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the ones that are here, I've definitely ran through and but, like, damn, you're making me feel like absolute shit.
Speaker 1: Really? What do they say here?
Speaker 2: It's just like, just gotta get over life. Just gotta get over it. It's like, Yeah. I'm trying that. What a profound concept.
I'm I'm paying you to tell me that. I
Speaker 1: Yeah. Your own fucking dad can tell you that.
Speaker 2: Probably need to call my dad back soon. Just not wondering what the fuck I am doing. You could just call him. I'll call him because I bet there's some more stuff to talk about. Yeah.
Definitely. But he has my location, so he's definitely wondering why I'm still here. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
Alright. We'll go over
Speaker 1: a few last things here. Okay. So if any of these guys, sent you that, you know, that 13 to 17 age range on Telegram,
Speaker 2: Well, not on Telegram, but on Instagram. Yeah. Okay. You saw my Telegram. Yeah.
Yeah. It's well,
Speaker 1: who who's that guy that should
Speaker 2: have menu too? Like, that just doesn't look like an open link. How'd you find that guy? Don't remember. It was in December December 9th.
I don't remember what I was doing. How do you think you found him? Probably on Instagram. Menu. And, I mean, these aren't like, oh, I only use cryptocurrency, but I'm not I don't wanna pay for things.
Speaker 1: Let me see what apps he's using to charge people.
Speaker 2: PayPal, cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, Ethereum, and I don't know what the last one is. Cash App and credit card.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Credit card would be the dumbest thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a whole
Speaker 1: Tier 1 20 gigabytes, best content file. Great. Including a VA. Ages include 0 to 17. Jeez Louise, man.
Are you are you sure that you've never bought any of this stuff before?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't I don't wanna pay for that stuff. I'm I'm broke.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But, I mean, it seems like you're just kinda asking for a menu, as in, like, they're selling that chef stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's mostly just to get a free thing out of it, see if there's anything free.
Speaker 1: So if we were to go back on your Cash App and just look at all the history and your PayPal, look at all the history, there'd be Yeah. Do you have PayPal?
Speaker 2: I have PayPal. A well, so that's just clothes that I buy from, like, selling Discords. Uh-huh. So oh, wait. No.
Payments. Mhmm. And then that's sent. Is it bills? Oh, there we go.
Oh, no. That's not those wallet activity. There's a lot of McDonald's, a lot of valve or Teams. Corp. Yeah.
Epic Games, Domino's, McDonald's, games. Hey. Use PayPal every fucking day, dude. It's it's connected to my, like, most of my other accounts. I don't have my credit card test those accounts.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what PayPal is used for. This was, sold a jacket or not jacket. I sold a hoodie to this guy.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. It's yeah.
Got you.
Speaker 2: Where's cash? I don't think I've used Cash. I have $11 in Cash App, apparently.
Speaker 1: For your cute. Who who's Emily Rose?
Speaker 2: Oh, for
Speaker 1: your cute. It's in 28th September. Alright. I got you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. These are I mean, this one was if I wanted gas, so I gave her gas. She paid me back. Sofia? Yeah.
Is usually used for, like, pay my mom. Mhmm. I'm guessing my dad wants me go to lunch or something.
Speaker 1: Should I?
Speaker 2: Apparently, call me when you go to lunch. Shit. Yeah. Just oh, transactions. Who's Reagan?
That's the chick I've been talking to.
Speaker 1: You're how much are you paying her, dude? I'm not
Speaker 2: paying her. She's she's, like, buying me stuff. We I left my car in my car, so I paid her, like, $70 to pay for dinner. And so
Speaker 1: Hey. Words on code were 2 people were spending $70 on food?
Speaker 2: Oh, we were we were going to Whiskey Creek in town.
Speaker 1: So, like, a steakhouse or something? Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was pretty good. Me and, like, 6 other people were there. I paid for her food. Even though she didn't want me to. So
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You always gotta pay for it, man. You really gotta Yeah. So you're, like, planning on, like, dating this chick, hopefully? Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hopefully. If I can bring myself to do it, because even after a year, I'm still not over my ex. Yeah. Shit her shit really fucked up my life.
Uh-huh. Kinda flipped everything upside down. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think
Speaker 1: she's, like, loyalty right now, or she's Yeah.
Speaker 2: No. I believe she's 100% loyal to me. And here you are. And I'm not being loyal, but I I don't know. I feel I don't know if I'm ready for a relationship.
Speaker 1: Right. I mean, I mean, you're technically not, like, dating, so it's not like No.
Speaker 2: But I I still feel like I'm not ready for a relationship Yeah. Because not not just because of this, but because of my last relationship. Obviously, because of this is another reason. I shouldn't be in a relationship yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's definitely some demons you need to get over before we do that. A lot. Yeah. I mean, what do you plan on I mean, I guess you wouldn't tell her about this.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's not even that close to you yet. She's yeah. She doesn't need to know yet. Right. I definitely probably would tell her past or in a future thing.
Speaker 1: What was I going to say? Was it were any were were these photos being exchanged? Was anybody sending it to, like, Instagram on their computer or was it just the phone?
Speaker 2: I was only using my phone. Okay. I don't have my computer set up to do any of my social media. Okay.
Speaker 1: So you sure there's, like, no dark web visits or anything like that? No.
Speaker 2: I just no. Okay. I have a Surface 3 and a, which is my college laptop Uh-huh. Which I haven't gone to use yet this year, so I skipped this this year, and then my PC that I just built.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Is there just porn on there? Like, do you watch porn on there?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I watch porn on it. Yeah. I definitely watch porn on it, but it's not like I save it. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. On hard drives and stuff like that. Alright.
Speaker 1: Well, let's, let's look for a therapist here and try to try to find you one.
Speaker 2: What would be keywords?
Speaker 1: Sex sex addiction therapists.
Speaker 2: Sex therapy near me. Definitely not better help, because they, they're a scam. Online. Online therapy. Oh, psychology today.
Looks Oahu, Nebraska. Oahu, Oahu, Oahu. Looks like they're all in Oahu.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It might have to drive a little bit.
Speaker 2: Right. Got a car for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 2: We got gas mileage. Sorry. Here. Right here. Hold on.
Speaker 1: I think maybe getting a woman therapist might be better.
Speaker 2: A woman therapist? Maybe so. This might be more understanding. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He wants one younger than that.
Speaker 2: Younger.
Speaker 1: That understands the online space. I think I don't have a major decision.
Speaker 2: What would you like me to do?
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I think someone here is probably preferable. Like, you know, obviously not under 18.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You want me to, like, email them?
Speaker 1: Or I think you should. You know, obviously, I'm not forcing you to, but
Speaker 2: Is there more stuff you would like me to do? Because I'd definitely fill this out better.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's see. What does it say there?
Speaker 2: It's this is just filling out.
Speaker 1: Maybe take screenshots of them and just, like, save it so you can hit them up.
Speaker 2: Let me just fill my camera roll with these. So when I look back in my camera roll for other things, I can definitely see this waiting for me.
Speaker 1: Do you have a drop box?
Speaker 2: I do. Oh, it's just the same stuff. It's the same stuff that's in my, camera roll. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: May I see it?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same stuff. Just Mix all. Yeah. Go ahead.
I guess, like, porn GIFs. The actual
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of these definitely work. Yeah. These definitely works. Where did you get all these pics from?
Speaker 2: It's amazing. People I talk to. This is just me talking to
Speaker 1: Are any of these chicks under 18?
Speaker 2: No. Oh, yeah. Modified 2 years ago. 2 years ago.
Speaker 1: Sorry, dude. Hello? Yeah. One sec.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Who's this? Oh, how's it going? Right. Right. Well, I'm I'm just parked here at this apartment complex, like, in the back in, like, the back.
So if you just go the back road, that's where the food can be delivered. Yeah. It's a temporary. Yeah. It's a temporary pack.
Okay. Yeah. For sure. It's it's just the back row. And, yeah, make sure to leave a tip and call them.
Alright. Take care. Bye. Yeah. I just DoorDash some shit.
So if, can help be sure to got as cold as fuck.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything else?
Speaker 1: No. Not too much. Did you save some therapists?
Speaker 2: I took a bunch of screenshots of, basically, everybody on the first and second page. Actually, that's what my camera looks like on the bottom. Mhmm. Would you like anything else? I I don't know.
I I really don't know how.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I
Speaker 2: mean, I I just, obviously, I don't wanna just act like this never happened.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. I mean, you gotta always remember this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you should just call call one of them. Call one of the therapists. Then after that, I think that'll be all I have for you. Okay.
Speaker 2: I'll just try a different one. That's fine. Show somebody if you don't mind. Guess I'll try a different one. Hey.
My name is Max Dorny, and I would like to, see what you guys have available for, like, therapy sessions up, at your center with, one second, with, I'm hoping I say her last name right, with Ostrich or Marls Ostrich. If she's still with you guys. Alright. It's Doh e r t y. Yes.
Okay. Oh. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Alright.
Sounds good. Yep. You too.
Speaker 1: What'd they say?
Speaker 2: That was the awkwardest phone call. I never really mind telling you guys.
Speaker 1: No kidding, dude.
Speaker 2: What
Speaker 1: about that one? Can I help the service for Derek? Oh, Derek? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Basically, she's not available right now, and she he said he'll leave my number with her. She will get back to me, I guess. I don't know if you want me to make another phone call, try to set up something. Try to actually get, like, a solid setup.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you leave a message at all?
Speaker 2: Well, I have I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: We're good. We're good.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's for us.
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 1: Understandable.
Speaker 2: But, yeah, I I mean, it's set up. Left a message for her to just get back to me. Obviously, I'm not gonna tell the receptionist why I'm calling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm guessing Moser for me.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't see you.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: See you talk to him.
Speaker 2: You want me to go?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna talk to her.
Speaker 2: Oh, man.
Speaker 1: She takes my job as a lawyer. Yeah. I I
Speaker 2: I totally understand. Yep. Hello.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Good. Yeah. We're just talking here to Max. Max, basically, in short, what you told me is that, basically, you can't meet a 13 year old girl here to have essential intercourse with her and that people have been sending you child porn to your Instagram.
Right? Yeah. Okay. Of, like, you said 13 dudes of 13 year old and up, people grand people have been sending that to you? Yeah.
Okay. Do you have your phone with you right now? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have it on me.
Speaker 1: Do I have to look at that?
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah. I don't have any of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He doesn't have all the gallery. He was just being sent to his Instagram account.
Speaker 2: Do you
Speaker 1: have them on your Instagram account, the messages still? Yeah. Was that a No Name account? I have a. Is that going all set or anything?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: What about on your Mac account? What's that right there?
Speaker 2: That's just something about some of my story.
Speaker 1: How old's that?
Speaker 2: That one's one star. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Doodled or maybe not.
Speaker 2: I was
Speaker 1: on this account. Dude, multiple people. They're not some on the max down there.
Speaker 2: I don't know where they are. I don't know if they believe their stuff or not. Okay.
Speaker 1: What's tell you what. You talked to this guy? Yeah. I'll talk to him.
Speaker 2: How's it going?
Speaker 1: I'll be unsure. It's I
Speaker 3: I didn't catch all this stuff. So what what all do you
Speaker 1: have here today? So, basically, we've posed modder's online. Preppers come to meet us. Okay. Big network kids and all that stuff.
And I and I I know in Nebraska, the law is, you know, that for for civilians, it can't be used because it has to be peace officers. Yeah. That's cool. We have 5 arrests in Nebraska just on child porn alone for people. We have 2 on Grand Island the past year.
But, you know, he he admitted to us that people have sent nudes, 13 and up to him on his Instagram. Uh-huh. Looks like and he showed me his phone. It looks like he didn't save any of it, but I'm thinking maybe something's in his cache for Megalinks or Telegram or something like that.
Speaker 3: It it wasn't those. I'm I'm not familiar with that.
Speaker 1: It's like encrypted apps, but whatever you get sent, and once you change any settings, like, it automatically saves to your phone, like, cache. So I think there might be something on there. I think I mean, he admitted in front of you all that People were sending it to him, and he was looking at it. Obviously, he was looking at it. He's here to get 13 over 6.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce it. Okay.
Speaker 3: And so who who is this look this guys Max Doherty. Okay. K. So do do you have a way to send us anything? Oh, yeah.
We have all your messages Yeah. Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We have to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay. So is it possible for me to get, like, an email address for you? Absolutely. We have what's called it's called
Speaker 1: the I Crimefighter. Oh, I Crimefighter. Okay.
Speaker 3: Basically, we send you a link. You click on it. You get 24 hours from one click on that link to upload anything you have in Okay. Or evidence storage.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: And then we could forward that onto our detectives, and we can work on something if they if they feel it's necessary from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If I well, when I give you all my email, can you send everything can you send that email tomorrow? Because I'm gonna be home tomorrow. Okay. Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I I gotta I think I gotta send to another guy.
Speaker 1: No problem. We'll refer a different case.
Speaker 2: So Got it.
Speaker 3: Do you have your license? Yeah. If I get to the core. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's fine. Thanks. Yeah. Can you at least look at the
Speaker 1: I And everything on there is current.
Speaker 2: Or these Ted boxes.
Speaker 1: Or Rosieff, r o
Speaker 3: 3 315 Eastview Valley. March 15th.
Speaker 1: No. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So in Texas, because once you click on link, you have 24 hours uploading and then you're doing stuff. I think once you click on link, you only basically get to upload, like, right
Speaker 1: then and there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So make sure you just got all your ducks in the road.
Speaker 1: Okay. For
Speaker 3: sure. Just just in case. If not, then just call our station and ask for me.
Speaker 1: No problem.
Speaker 3: I'll give you my card. Sure. As long as I have them, I think I refill them. And then I can always resend you the link
Speaker 1: if I need to. Okay. Yeah. That'll work. If if absolutely.
Speaker 2: If it comes out to it. Alright.
Speaker 1: Some work.
Speaker 3: And I'll give you our call number for today as well. Are you guys calling us and have us come down here? How are these? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yep. Call number only, please.
Speaker 3: So so there's my business card. On the back of that call number tied directly to you guys calling us today. Cool.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: If you need anything, just give me a call from there. Okay?
Speaker 1: Alright. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Got any other questions or anything for me guys?
Speaker 1: No, sir. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Alright. No problem. You guys have a wonderful rest of your day. Safe trip back. Alright?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you. You too. Thanks, guys. Uh-huh.
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In this video, a member of Kid Protectors USA confronts a man named Hunter about his inappropriate messages to underage girls on Instagram. Hunter admits to his actions and apologizes, claiming he wouldn't have engaged if he knew the girls' true ages. The discussion then turns to the dark web, where Hunter shares his experiences with explicit content on platforms like Telegram and Reddit. The speaker expresses shock and gratitude for Hunter's willingness to provide information. They emphasize the need to combat illegal activities and protect children. The conversation becomes tense when Hunter mentions his past addiction to pornography involving infants and toddlers. Hunter eventually becomes uncomfortable and asks the speaker to leave, ending with the handover of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Here we go. How's it what's that? How's it going, Hunter?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Got a package for you. Okay. My name is Gord.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: It's about some messages to Julie and Lily online. Why don't we have a conversation about it? We can talk in private. Nobody's home.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry? It's about
Speaker 1: some messages online on Instagram. But we can we can just have a conversation. I don't want the neighbors over here. I'm not here to hurt you or anything like that. Here.
Do you mind?
Speaker 2: Can we sit over here? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That would be great. Anybody home with you right now?
Speaker 2: No. It's not.
Speaker 1: Okay. You can just put your phone up if you don't mind. Alright. Well, my name is Gordon. Sorry to meet you like this.
Okay. How's it, how's it going? Good. Good. Good.
Might if I shoot closer?
Speaker 2: No. You're fine right there.
Speaker 1: Okay. No problem. Okay. So what you up to today? Nothing.
Alright. Do you like work or anything? Yes, sir. Oh, you don't have to tell me what, but what what do you do for work?
Speaker 2: Just, customer service.
Speaker 1: Alright. Oh, let's see. You work from home?
Speaker 2: No. Retail.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I appreciate what you do. I have definitely had some frustrating experiences at retail. So I I appreciate people like you. If you'll do a good job, that is.
So, yes, but I just want to kind of talk about some messages here, because obviously I know you are on the younger side, right? You are 25, 27? 25. 25. So, you know, I know you're on the younger side, so I don't think, you know, I'm not trying to put
Speaker 2: Can we just get to this, please?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not trying to put the foot down here or anything.
Speaker 2: I just I'm a are you the one behind this message? Are you behind this? No. Are you the father? Who are you?
Speaker 1: We're a group called the Kid Protectors USA. We make sure that kids don't talk to adults online vice versa.
Speaker 2: Okay. Thank you for being honest.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being honest.
Speaker 2: And if this would've I'm gonna get straight to it.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: If this if I knew this was who you were behind these people, I wouldn't have done these. Like, these girls I'm guessing this was you messaging. Go on. I'm guessing this was you. If these were just regular girls, I would have just been perfectly fine with them.
If I knew this was you, like, knew you, I wouldn't have talked to them.
Speaker 1: Right. Like, I
Speaker 2: do apologize if this has come up.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: Like, I wasn't trying to cause problems.
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure.
Speaker 2: I do hate that you had to come up here and do this, but Yeah. I was not trying to cause problems.
Speaker 1: Okay. So if they were, like so if they were real, you would've talked to them. But if you knew it was this, you wouldn't have?
Speaker 2: No. No. Of course not. Okay. I wouldn't have even I would have talked to them like a person.
I wouldn't have even done, like, what you see. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: So so I guess you kinda know what I'm talking to you about then? Yes. Of course. Okay. Yes.
Well, I appreciate it because customer service people need to be honest. I appreciate your honesty. Okay. So, did you wanna kinda cut to the chase then? Just kinda go over it and figure it out?
What do you mean? Like, just kinda go over what was said, kinda why, and No.
Speaker 2: I have the messages, so you're fine.
Speaker 1: Okay. Alright. Well I
Speaker 2: can I can delete them? Delete the delete the people.
Speaker 1: Who who do you think I'm talking to you about?
Speaker 2: The 2 girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't wanna give up their names because I don't know who they are. So I mean
Speaker 1: Okay. But Lily and Julie?
Speaker 2: I believe so. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can delete them. You can get on your way. I do apologize if this had to bring up. But
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you know, I also, you you know, I I also understand you are 25 and Yeah. You know, you're on the younger side.
Speaker 2: Trying to look for friends and nice base. Whoever they were, they seemed nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For sure.
Speaker 2: But like, I wasn't trying to cross problems.
Speaker 1: No problem. No problem. I mean, you know, did you know why I'm talking to you about them, though?
Speaker 2: I would assume because I you saw I guess, you saw me sending stuff. And you saw you had the preference of you had the, I guess, the you assumed that I was a predator, I would assume.
Speaker 1: Okay. But why why why would I I mean, I'm not saying I assume that, but why why do you think that could be an assumption?
Speaker 2: Because you just need me to send pictures to her and sending pictures to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you can send pictures to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yes. But I I don't know.
Speaker 1: K. Well, is there something about them that made sending pictures kind of questionable? I
Speaker 2: don't real I I don't I I guess they were I don't know if I would've questioned them.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: They seemed legit.
Speaker 1: Okay. I, No. I mean, is there anything about, like I mean, is there something they told you that made sending pictures to them maybe not the most appropriate?
Speaker 2: Not really.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, how how old did Lily and Julie say they were?
Speaker 2: I would say 5th like, I would say 15.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Say 15.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Both of them or one of them? Or
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Okay. I mean, were you aware both were, like, under 16?
Speaker 2: I think so. I believe so. Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's what I kind of want to go over because, obviously, there were there were there looks to be some pictures sent here.
Speaker 2: Gentleman, did your driver recording this?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course. I'm on your property. I'm not gonna have you say that I tried to hurt you. That'd be insanity.
Because I'm a bigger guy. I could be I I I could be intimidating to people. I know you can handle your own self, but, dude, I'm not trying to have anybody person to
Speaker 2: be a part of this too?
Speaker 1: They're with me. Yeah. For safety. Like, if you came out shooting, like
Speaker 2: Does he know the reason why you're out here though?
Speaker 1: Yes. Okay. Yes. Wait, dude. If as long as you're transparent with me, I'll tell you everything.
Okay. Okay. And I I appreciate that, dude.
Speaker 2: Can I just get this clear that these girls are fake people, or are they real little girls?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you the truth about that. Yeah. We were posing as them.
Speaker 2: Okay. And who was the one who were you the gentleman behind them?
Speaker 1: No. I was not. Was it
Speaker 2: a girl?
Speaker 1: Yes. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yes. It was a girl adult that was behind it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's correct. Okay. Mhmm.
Speaker 2: Okay. I just wanted to know, like, who was getting in the minds of these girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah, man. Like I said, I'll be fully transparent with you.
Any questions you have for me? I'm I'm not answering them as well. So
Speaker 2: How long have you been doing this?
Speaker 1: How long have we been doing this? Yeah. We've kinda just started, like, the past year or so. We're just kinda local in the area.
Speaker 2: And do y'all have, like, a, like, a mainstream Instagram page that y'all post, like not, like, post to expose people, but, like, give awareness?
Speaker 1: Yeah. We we do have that, Dee. But, there's very few people that we actually expose. Trust me, it's not the person whose house I go to. It's the person who's actively going out with an ice cream truck, that type of Yeah.
Yeah. So Yeah. And trust me, they're not 25. They're fucking 50 or 60.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I bet you get a
Speaker 2: little bit more scarier.
Speaker 1: Yes. No no doubt, man. Yeah. Okay. So what kind of pictures do you think I could be asking you about today?
Dicks. Alright. Maths.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you do okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah. No. Like I said, I know what I did. I can send I can delete them.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Get out of get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Alright.
Speaker 2: But as long as I knew this is what was happening Mhmm. I'm fine with deleting it all. Mhmm. So I I I like the awareness that you did.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: It did bring my my eyes open. Good. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you too. So I I just gotta ask, though. Like, why did you send your penis to these 2 people who said they were young? I get
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've been single for 10 years.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And so it's just I don't know. I guess it was just that, want. That wanting.
Speaker 1: Just somebody somebody to talk to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah. And, like, that attraction kind of thing, like
Speaker 1: approval. Okay.
Speaker 2: Because I have a disability.
Speaker 1: Okay. And
Speaker 2: so What's your disability? Spinaldoza.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So, like That's why you kinda walked a little bit. You sent me one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's just I don't know. I just I haven't had that approval in a while. Mhmm. It just felt like I needed it at that time.
Mhmm. And like I said, if it if I knew they were older, it would have been better situation.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But I do apologize.
Speaker 1: No. Absolutely. And, you know, I know, obviously, you follow adults too. Like, I know I know you're not out there prowling.
Speaker 2: You've looked at my entire page. Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I figured you did some digging.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. Like, if I if I thought if I thought you were like a threat, I guess you could say. I I wouldn't be the one talking to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Exactly. Right.
Speaker 1: That neighbor or something? Or Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Yeah.
If anybody walks up for whatever reason, I'll I'll just change the subject. It's fine with me. Yeah. Did you all ever talk, like, on any other apps about Instagram?
Speaker 2: Just that.
Speaker 1: Just Instagram? Okay.
Speaker 2: I guess they randomly added me or nothing.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Whoever you are, y'all added me somewhere.
Speaker 1: Okay. Did you all ever, I mean, do you have any I mean, do you message other people on other apps? Like, do you, like, talk to women on other apps at all?
Speaker 2: Not really. No.
Speaker 1: Okay. I mean, maybe you should get out there more. Like, what other apps do you have right now?
Speaker 2: I have Snapchat and Facebook. That's about it.
Speaker 1: But Okay. Do you have, like, Kik or anything? Oh, no.
Speaker 2: No? That that's that's started a whole different shit.
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: That's yeah. That's went down a rabbit hole I didn't wanna go back to.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Okay. What about Telegram? Same shit?
Speaker 2: Okay. That and Reddit. Oh, well originally Reddit too.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to tell me about RAV. Fucking I I know Reddit's full of fucking rebards.
Speaker 2: So I I'm trying to lean off of stuff that'll get me down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It could be a little bit tempting.
Speaker 2: Like, Instagram, that account, I haven't I barely use anymore. So I have, like, a second one that I just recently made.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: So, like, for real real people or, like, trying to get real connections.
Speaker 1: But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just I really need to delete that account. Mhmm. But it's just hard to lean off of.
Speaker 1: So so that's kind of my thing. You know, Lily told you she was 13, and Julie told you she was 12. Mhmm. Okay. Does that kinda ring a bell now?
Speaker 2: I believe so. Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So I know you said 15 at first kinda sugar coated. I I understand that shit fucking every everybody gets that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know? I can't read off at the top of my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No problem. But you remember them saying 12, 13? Okay. No idea.
Yeah. Okay. So I kinda wanted to ask because, you know, I I figured it was something like that. Because, you know, I look at you who works in customer service who I guess you live with mom and dad. Yeah.
Okay. You're obviously a good kid and stuff. And, you know, I was reading these, and I'm like, dude, you are not the same person who travels with the ice cream truck and who just does a bunch of you know? I'm like, I'm like, she's a hunter. So that's what I was thinking because when you mentioned Tig and Telegram, I was like and he used to talk about rabbit hole on there.
I was like, oh, that's kind of what put this in his head. So you know, I actually do I told you from the get go, I do wanna actually go after the real bad guys. So can you kind of help me with that kick and telegram rabbit hole? Or if there's a difference between the 2?
Speaker 2: I don't wanna download those again.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So if that's what you're trying to get at
Speaker 1: No. No. No. No. No.
I'm not I'm not I
Speaker 2: don't wanna download those to get myself in the rabbit hole. If if you want me to download them and find people Mhmm. Then I understand that, but I just can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm not gonna ask you to
Speaker 2: But, like, if I'm not working and I can see, like, visual like, physically Mhmm. Attacks Mhmm. Then I can.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. No. No. Don't no.
Trust me. If Telegram and Cake were, you know, a little bit crazy, then don't go back and go. To use. Right. Okay.
Well, so let's just talk about kind of, like, your past experience. Maybe maybe you can
Speaker 2: just I honestly don't wanna talk about them. Okay. I don't wanna get that I don't wanna get into the past anymore.
Speaker 1: Or were these, like, groups or something? Or
Speaker 2: let's see. So Reddit and Telegram were yes. Okay.
Speaker 1: And what was Kik?
Speaker 2: Those were I think those were just bots.
Speaker 1: Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're you've encountered those before, but they're, like, just, like, sex spots Mhmm. That, like, try to sell their body. Yeah. And that got into a rabbit hole as well.
Speaker 1: Really? Mhmm. Did it did it did that rabbit hole ever go to the underage stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. To a point, I I caught it multiple times, and then I I stopped. Mhmm. And it just got too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So so there was so there's groups on Telegram, like, underage stuff. Mhmm.
Okay. Yep. Do you know, like, what languages you're typically in?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know the exact languages, but they looked foreign.
Speaker 1: Okay. So not English?
Speaker 2: No. They were probably Indian. Okay. Like, I'm trying not to stereotype them, but
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: So, like, hackers. Hacking Indians.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
Speaker 2: You know how typically a hacker you'll label them as Indiana.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And around your end or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah. Basically that.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like so it wasn't like a, b, c, d. Like, not all not not any letters we can recognize. Oh, no. No. Okay.
Speaker 2: Like, Chinese, Indian.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, of course. Yeah. Those people really have no limits, do they?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So how many people were in these groups usually?
Speaker 2: 2 200 plus.
Speaker 1: No fucking way. All into that shit? Yes. Fucking, you're crazy, dude. They were
Speaker 2: about half of them were 4. Wow.
Speaker 1: So I wanna say you're lying, but for some reason, I believe you on this. It's fucking crazy, dude.
Speaker 2: Because you know trafficking. Children trafficking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like
Speaker 2: and then the arranged marriages.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Like, dowries and all that shit. Like, you pay a certain amount. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Holy fuck. So what would these fucking because obviously, you know, I obviously can't fly to India and just go save the world. But, you know, I could pass off, you know
Speaker 2: What what really needs to be done is the dark web. The dark web just needs to have no access.
Speaker 1: Oh, really?
Speaker 2: That's how these kids these people are sending these pictures these web
Speaker 1: They find it from the dark web? Yes. So what are they posting in these Telegram groups?
Speaker 2: Anything and everything.
Speaker 1: Okay. Like, so I'm just gonna throw out this Like child rape. Child rape.
Speaker 2: Like Oh my god. Like dog rape.
Speaker 1: Of a of a kid?
Speaker 2: Yes. Like What? Yeah. Like, like, z like zephilia?
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I know zephilia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That, like, everything involving those 2, like, murder, like
Speaker 1: yeah. Wait. So have you seen snuff films of kids that these people have posted? So So I hate to ask you to relive this. I'm not asking you to
Speaker 2: Ask one question. Yes.
Speaker 1: Ask one question. I'm not asking you to download this again, okay, or to do anything. One question. Okay.
Speaker 2: One question.
Speaker 1: Can you describe kind of what happens in a snuff film, like, at least in your experience that you've seen of, like, a kid or something?
Speaker 2: It's been too long that I remember.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I'm not saying go into every detail, but kind of give me a brief synopsis of what happened.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. It was 2 years ago. I don't remember. Was it
Speaker 1: okay. Where would they have posted this?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like, where did they
Speaker 2: Will I record it?
Speaker 1: No. No. No. No. No.
We will get to that. But, like, where did they post that? Like, obviously, you had to see it somewhere. But so where where was it post that you saw it?
Speaker 2: No. In telegrams and stuff. That's where they've sent them to us.
Speaker 1: So they literally posted videos of kids dying in there?
Speaker 2: Yep. Yep.
Speaker 1: Is there, like, sexual abuse with that death?
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Okay. But God. Okay.
Speaker 1: No problem. So when you say anything and everything, are we talking like all age ranges?
Speaker 2: Pretty much.
Speaker 1: So they posted from infants on up. Wow. And even like so that exists? So they've even posted like sexual videos of infants in these groups. Mhmm.
How did how did you stomach that?
Speaker 2: Don't know.
Speaker 1: Goddamn. Okay. Got it. Got it.
Speaker 2: Like, I was trying to, like I don't know what it was, but I guess I was just trying to be like a like an agent, like an FBI, like Sure. Like, dig deeper
Speaker 1: Right. Right. Right.
Speaker 2: Just to see what how far they would go to send stuff. Mhmm. Like, I I would be a bystander. Basically, I am
Speaker 1: Yeah. Obviously, I know you're not the one behind the camera. That'd be a different story.
Speaker 2: Feel like I would, like, just watch them post it, like, just to see how far they go.
Speaker 1: Really? And this is Holy fuck. Yeah. Okay. So, again, like, obviously, I'm not asking you to remember every single detail, but like, what's the sickest video that they posted of an incident?
Like, what happened in it? And then what race was that baby to? That's an important to know because Yeah. I don't remember that. Okay.
Speaker 2: That, like I said, is nothing I want to remember. Mhmm. But it was probably just it was literally if I could recall rape, just rape.
Speaker 1: Like
Speaker 2: Like, full on just
Speaker 1: Well, who's raping the was the baby a boy or a girl?
Speaker 2: Didn't matter.
Speaker 1: Oh, so they posted little boy and girls and that Mhmm. Who's typically doing the raping?
Speaker 2: Didn't matter. Either one.
Speaker 1: No. No.
Speaker 2: Girl on girl on little boy. Boy and man on little girl.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And this is all the way down? Yeah. Infants, toddlers. Wow.
Yeah. All foreign too. Oh my god. Yeah. So were there did any of these videos look like white people that could've been foreign?
Just so these are these are all like Southeast Asia, India, and Mexico? Pretty much. Okay. Goddamn it. This is this is fucking crazy.
Mhmm. Okay. So what about the dark web? Like, how how does one kinda get on that?
Speaker 2: Don't know. I've tried.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: For sure, for sure. So, you say that was on Telegram. So was Reddit like different, or is it the same shit?
Speaker 2: Same shit. Same shit.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Yep. Goddamn, man. How did how are people okay with this? Like, how are people just morally do partake in that?
Okay. I do have a question though because this would be important to kind of
Speaker 2: so
Speaker 1: obviously, you know, when when I was in high school, you know, we would send each other porn as, like, friends or whatever. Yep. You know, sometimes it would be like, wow. Look at this porn store. I have a screenshot of her Yep.
And I would send it. Or sometimes it'd be like, you know, I gotta link this cute video.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So how would they post that child porn stuff? Like, would it be links or just the pictures itself or content?
Speaker 2: No. It looks like a home video.
Speaker 1: A home video?
Speaker 2: Like, literally, like it looked like somebody would if I can recall, like, someone's literally just holding a camera and, like, through a text messaging video, like,
Speaker 1: like, a
Speaker 2: prank message video.
Speaker 1: Sure. But I mean, like, I guess what I'm trying to say is, was that video accessed through, like, a link they put or was it just on the chat? Both. Oh, really?
Speaker 2: Both.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you saw some of these videos posted to links that they would post? Wow. Holy fuck. Dude, I mean, I appreciate this info, Hunter.
I mean, right now, you are saving children. I know literally trying to customer service for the children. So
Speaker 2: I will say I'm getting uncomfortable talking. So I would like for this to be over soon.
Speaker 1: I won't volunteer to talk to me, of course.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: But, you know
Speaker 2: It's just you're I don't know who
Speaker 1: you are. And I don't know. I'm Gordon Flowers. Yes.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, man. I I I truly appreciate this.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I didn't wanna like, I didn't know your number. I'm like, what? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. For sure. That's where I'm from originally. But now, dude, with this with this fucking amazing info you're giving me on the real estate collection, I'm a 100% overlooking this shit.
Like, 100%, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What? Yeah. Do you go home and turn burn that whatever that is?
Speaker 1: Oh, no. I'll give these to you to burn. I don't give a fuck. Like, I'll give it to you. Yeah.
Goddamn. What other customer service were you working? Do they have fried pickles?
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Because I love fried fried pickles. Mhmm. Alright. Well, they can hook me up with some discount fried pickles, you know, wink wink. No.
I'm just kidding. But I I do want some fried pickles, though. Goddamn. Okay. So fuck, man.
Fuck, dude. This was a shock. I'll be honest with you. I wasn't I wasn't expecting you to come to your house about what just some fucking Internet bullshit dick pics. And then you basically divulge a whole world of what these real fucking sick folks are doing.
I appreciate that. It tells me that you actually care about this and, you know, I appreciate that. Do you want to consider your own one day, or are you able to have kids with those?
Speaker 2: Don't know. I would. I just don't know. I don't know if my disability affects it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Because I've researched it, and it's it'll skip a generation. Oh, okay. Could be safe.
Speaker 1: Right. It has. So so spina bifida is hereditary?
Speaker 2: Every other generation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So your grandpa had it? Or
Speaker 2: honest actually, I am the first. Oh. So it randomly popped up. But after I so since I am the first to have it Mhmm. That's when it starts.
Generation starts.
Speaker 1: So excuse me if I sound insensitive here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You're good.
Speaker 1: Is this something that you're born with? Or okay. It's not something that gets
Speaker 2: So my, spinal cord didn't fully develop.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And so I had no nerves from the knees down.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 2: I can't move my foot my feet, my toes.
Speaker 1: I see. So just alright. Is it so is there, like, any, like, cures in the works for it? No? Goddamn.
Not in the works. Not that. What's, like, life expectancy?
Speaker 2: I've seen my my doctors, when I was born, gave them 2 months.
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
Speaker 2: That's how quickly it can get you. Yeah. But I've seen people 60, 70.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Well, you seem to be you know, you're you're not in bad shape, otherwise. Mentally, you're all there. Alright?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Wow, man. Okay. So what app out of Kik, Reddit, and Telegram would you say has been the most extreme for that type of stuff?
Speaker 2: Telegram. Telegram? Telegram.
Speaker 1: Okay. What kind of makes
Speaker 2: If I had to rank them the worst to the best to use, Telegram, Reddit, I had Kik.
Speaker 1: Okay. And what other apps has has popped up on, if any, in your experience?
Speaker 2: Don't know. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Okay. Did anybody, like, try to charge for this type of stuff? No. No? They
Speaker 2: just Recharge Dent stuff. That was weird.
Speaker 1: Goddamn, man. Yeah. So I'll even say they're they're just blatantly
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, they didn't care, like, they were gonna get tracked or anything.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. Right. Do you do you happen to remember some of the group names that they were posting this on?
Speaker 2: I don't. I remember it was, like, 3, 2 years ago. So I
Speaker 1: was like, it's long gone. Got it. Got it. Holy shit. So I wanna ask when you're a hunter because, you know, obviously I mean, if you were a bad person, you wouldn't tell me what these assholes are doing.
You would gatekeep for them and you'd say, well, it's just the Internet. Trust me, I've heard that shit before too. And I'd be like, dude, are you serious? Like, some of them come to people's house and I'm like, oh, it can't be that bad. They're just fucking around with some decoy accounts.
And then, you know, it turns out they've been a part of some stuff like that and it's like, dude, why would you not tell me what some Indian's posting? Like, are you sure what are you trying to defend? And then it turned out a whole can of worms. But someone like you who's like, yeah, this is what these assholes are doing. No.
This is where they're at. Like that tells me that there's that tells me that you have a good heart and you're not really trying to hide anything here.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, which I fucking truly appreciate, man. But I need to ask because, you know, obviously, me, since I know there's levels to this shit, I I look at you as way separated from them, but not everybody would necessarily. So, I need to ask because if this was 2, 3 years ago on Telegram and dark web and all that shit, You know, I need to ask, like, how did kind of this curiosity start? Because there's there's something there for sure.
Speaker 2: Because I wanna say my porn addiction was in middle school.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And it's just rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: Okay. So so you think that stunted? Yeah. Okay. So Pretty much.
So if you were 12, just beaten off that
Speaker 2: What car do you see?
Speaker 1: That's a truck.
Speaker 2: White truck?
Speaker 1: Yep. So that's my stepdad. Okay. I'll just I'll just say it's just, like, something what can come up. Work related.
Work related. Okay.
Speaker 2: Put that down. Yeah. Yeah. Right?
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just say you're a coworker hanging out.
Speaker 1: No problem. Why do we work? Oh, thanks. Fuck. I can't just punch it up right now.
I'll say I'm like yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll say Hey, Mark.
Speaker 1: Hey, man. How's it going?
Speaker 2: How'd Max go? How'd Max go?
Speaker 1: He's out of
Speaker 2: surgery, but I can't get him till 3. I got you.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, to be honest, I'm not quite done with the con, though. But if you want to, like, sit in the car, we can do. I don't trust that. Alright. Well, we can stand somewhere.
Of course, you can go in, but, like Hunter, I'm doing you and that's just all bad. Let's talk. I'm I'm willing to completely change the subject for you and I have. But like I said, you can do whatever you want. And like I said, like, I'm willing to work with you on this, dude.
There's nothing to work about. I just wanna get that out of my head. Absolutely. I wanna help you with that. So don't think you need any trouble, dude.
I think you need some guidance and help. Okay?
Speaker 2: I've already
Speaker 1: Alright. We'll talk about that. Just got through the garage. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm here. It's still there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you wanna, like, leave against the car maybe? Or
Speaker 2: I really don't. I really am starting to feel uncomfortable. I'd rather I'd rather leave this leave and get
Speaker 1: this over with. Oh, if you want me to leave, I can. But I
Speaker 2: would like to. I don't wanna have another conversation because this will bring up bad memories for me. Mhmm. I really don't wanna start start talking about it again. Okay.
Well Yeah. You can give me one one more question.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, if you don't mind, kind of expand on when you started to notice, like, an age gap, like, kind of curiosity. What do you mean? Like you said, you started watching porn in middle school.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And then that you think that's what kind of triggered that curiosity maybe? Yeah. So when did you start to notice that like I'm getting older and people I like are staying the same? I
Speaker 2: don't really I don't really know the exact moment.
Speaker 1: Like ballpark? Like, were you in high school still? Or?
Speaker 2: Pretty much, like, we were still safe, I guess, safe range.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: So it was probably, like, senior, freshman.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Age. And Then you get into adulthood and still freshman.
Speaker 2: No. No? No. I would say that as I got older, they kinda moved up. Okay.
But, like, I don't
Speaker 1: Right. Because, you know, Hunter, I only have these messages printed out, but these aren't the only 2 people that are underage you've tried to talk to. Duh.
Speaker 2: The iPhone?
Speaker 1: That you tried to talk to.
Speaker 2: How many more do you have?
Speaker 1: Printed out? None. But that we know of, I mean, just reaching out to say hello to stuff like that Yeah. Come countless. Countless.
You know, I think these are the only 2 that may have entertained conversation for a while.
Speaker 2: But, you know Nice. I put my eyes. Look carefully.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, Hunter, I, of course, know that you are never gonna be the level of somebody who's gonna go rape a baby. Okay? Yeah.
But, you know, you didn't report any of this not one time. Alright? I mean, there wasn't no FBI undercover shit. I've I've heard that one a lot too. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: It's a curiosity. I'm not
Speaker 2: that smart to do that.
Speaker 1: No, you're not. Neither am I. But it's a curiosity. Okay. And the curiosity is obviously coming out.
If you can describe an infinite rate video for me, that means you watched it straight up, okay? I'm not going to argue with you on that. That'd be a waste of your time and a waste of my time to argue about something we both know is true. But I'm just going to ask, how did it go down this low? Because I don't, like I said, I don't think you're going to get any trouble for this.
I still think help, maybe the help you had wasn't enough. I still think help is the best way but we didn't identify why it is this way because there's nobody else you can talk to on the planet but me that would just kind of like say, actually take into consideration what you're saying and be like, I think this can be fixed. Because a lot of people, they would just think of using the Indians if they heard this. I don't. I know it's a separation.
But how did it get down to just watching Infinix, man? It's not good. Hold on. What do you think it is about that that you I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm getting uncomfortable. Please.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna let you know, man. It's definitely an uncomfortable conversation to have. Okay? But there's the amount of comfort that you're going to have going forward exponentially more if you just bottle it up, get tempted again. Because the next time you get tempted, it's probably not going to be me at the door.
And look, the dark web, Of course, I know you've been on there, bro. No. No? No. K.
Okay. So you okay. So you meant you're just seeing stuff from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. People are people other people have actually Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: So that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. I see. So, I mean, when is the last time that that type of stuff has tempted you? Obviously, I know we're not talking, but, just viewing that type of stuff. We need to get that out of the way, man.
When's the last time that you kinda hopped into one of these groups or
Speaker 2: 2 years ago.
Speaker 1: 2 years ago? Okay. So do you have to tell him right now? Yes. You have to tell him right now?
Okay. When's the last time, even if it wasn't on Telegram, that somebody's tried to send you some of that stuff? 2 years ago. 2 years ago. So how come we're still on Instagram following page like teen time and all this?
Like, what like, what is it when you're still on social media kind of doing this stuff, not as much, but like why do you think you're still kind of doing this but off that other stuff? I don't know. It's just I
Speaker 2: guess I'm just bored.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling some filling a void or something. I don't know. Okay. But like I said, after this, I'll delete everything. The Instagram will probably be off because I don't really I don't need it.
Speaker 1: No. But, I mean, you know, obviously, if we're at a point where If we're if we're at a point where If we're at a point where, I mean, you're sending dick pics to 12 year olds, whether they're real or not. I mean, this was news to you that I told you that weren't real. There's obviously something still going on, dude. I mean, is there like a hidden folder on your phone or something?
No? Okay.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I used to have I used to save pictures, but I deleted them all.
Speaker 1: K.
Speaker 2: Well, now that shit was just going down, and I just felt unsafe. And it's just
Speaker 1: So you're kinda unwinding from this a little bit trying to. Just curiosity, at your biggest point, how many were saved at the most at one time? If you had to guess.
Speaker 2: Nothing nothing of extreme stuff. Sure. Just like self nudes.
Speaker 1: Like, just underage nudes, but no rape or anything? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2: Then I was probably fresh fresh assessment of senior, I wanna say.
Speaker 1: Senior year? Yeah. Okay. But, I mean, like, 2 or 3 years ago when you were, like, kinda in these telegram groups, what was the most you saved?
Speaker 2: Nothing. Not those guys. Not those stuff. I would never do that.
Speaker 1: I'd like
Speaker 2: to save those.
Speaker 1: I see. Okay. I mean, was this saved, like, to your computer, phone? Or
Speaker 2: You're asking a little too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I am. I'm just asking.
Speaker 2: I won't answer. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Hunter, I mean, is there anything right now that we that could potentially be troubling to have that you probably need to get off your phone?
Speaker 2: What do you mean like?
Speaker 1: Like, basically, if I were to take your phone and just start kinda scrolling, if I were to take your phone and kind of just start scrolling through the images or any saved hidden folders or anything, would there be anything that we should probably get rid of so we can get this stuff out of the way? No. No? No. K.
So there's no, like, underage pics that could be, like, a little bit nude or anything? No. No? Okay. What about under your computer?
Speaker 2: Don't have one.
Speaker 1: Don't have one. Okay. You hear these messages like they're not mean, you know, could I kiss you? You tell me all that you want. I'd be happy to be here first.
Are you are you have you had sex before? No. No. K. Let me see that cute beauty.
Did she send you any pictures, Julie?
Speaker 2: Who which one is Lish.
Speaker 1: The 12 year old. Or did any really or Julie send you pictures at all? Nothing,
Speaker 2: I don't believe, revealing.
Speaker 1: Okay. I see my vouchers. Should bet your chest looks so cute. Would love to see it. What did you mean by that?
Like, bare chest? Okay.
Speaker 2: I I get you're trying to be protective, and you're I'm just really uncomfortable right now. I would really like for you to leave.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's fine. We can.
Speaker 2: Like, I get your y'all are trying to save the world from this stuff, but, like, I just I don't really like to be reminded of it. Like, I know I went through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You're just trying to
Speaker 2: catch it.
Speaker 1: Well, you you know, Hunter, I'm totally fine with leaving.
Speaker 2: And you'll probably be back again. I can tell.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, that's if you trust that. Well, I'm not gonna come back after. But, you know, I just kinda feel like, you know, if we end the conversation here without getting down to the root of this, I just feel like this can happen again, you know, because you said it
Speaker 2: That's what therapists are for.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. But you said you had you have had therapy before? Yes.
Speaker 2: Did you talk
Speaker 1: to them about this?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: What did they say?
Speaker 2: They helped they helped me a little bit. So I don't wanna give out too much because that was my personal stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but they helped you, but we're you know, but I have all this. So alright. Well, I can go a 100, but I'm just letting you know that I I do wanna keep talking.
We have all this shit saved, and I'd I'd have to come here and just talk about it. Hey, Mark.
Speaker 2: You're fine. Mark. Do you wanna say bye to him?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. Just tell him you're coworking you were just like, I don't know where he's at. You're you're good.
Speaker 1: Oh, how's it going?
Speaker 2: He's just a coworker hanging out. He just wanted to stay by.
Speaker 1: Well, there's kind of an issue here, sir. Hunter, I guess he's your stepson. Yes. He's been messaging a 12 and a 13 year old girl online, sending them his penis and whatnot. Does he know about kind of this type of stuff?
Yes. Okay. Well, he's been doing it again and, you know, I I just wanna kinda let you know that you know, he sent his dick to them and he told me that he's watched, like, pornography as young as, like, toddlers, infants, and all that shit. Are you guys police? No.
No. I just kinda wanna tell you to hold them accountable. But if you're not police, why y'all here? Well, I mean, that doesn't happen to be us. I mean, that's fine.
I mean, we we can we can Well, then if y'all aren't if y'all aren't police and he's not in some kind of trouble, then I don't understand why you're here. Well, that's the thing. We wanna kinda hand it over.
Speaker 2: He wants you to be in charge of
Speaker 1: the charge. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
We we kinda okay. I I mean, I was expecting that reaction, but, Well, I mean, there's somebody in the van. It's kinda creepy. He's got a camera or something on it. I don't understand.
Well, that's for everybody's safety. So y'all can be sure I'm not here to hurt him or anything like that and vice versa. But, yeah, I mean, your your stepson is kinda at this again. I thought you should probably know about this because it could definitely lead to some other stuff. How do
Speaker 2: you know how do you
Speaker 1: know he's at it again? Well, I have the messages here. So how did you get that? So you're you guys are sending people up? I mean, I'm gonna see what's I mean I mean, I wouldn't call it that, but we we have a group called, Kid Protectors USA.
We just make sure that, you know, kids don't talk to adults online vice versa. And, you know, it's just his I think it's his responsibility as an adult to, to, you know, not talk to children and not kinda look at that stuff online. Okay. So that's what That's all you'd had to say. Stop by and say, hey, man.
Let's quit doing this. Yeah. Absolutely. For sure. For sure.
Speaker 2: We done?
Speaker 1: If you wanna be, Hunter, if you wanna be.
Speaker 2: I would like to be. Have a good day.
Speaker 1: Alright. Well, do you mind waiting a minute and just see what he wants? I'll be right back. If you don't mind, like, I just don't want you to grab anything. You're coming.
Okay. Here. Okay. Well, I was instructed to go ahead and give this to you. Do you mind if we have, like, 5 I'm not gonna question you anymore.
Do you mind if we have, like, 5 more minutes to kinda go over, like, what we can do from here, like, therapy wise? Yeah. Okay. Do you want these? No.
What do you want me to do with them? Burn them. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna burn them. I wanna give you the chance to burn them.
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Well, because I think I think it's more symbolic if I think it's more symbolic if you're the one that kinda brushes out because, you know, Hunter, in the end, whether I'm, you know
Speaker 2: Give them to me.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna explain this to you. What, you know, in in the end whether you know, I'm from Texas. So whether you burn these or not or whether I do this or not, it doesn't really matter. Like, you're never gonna hurt my kids. You're never gonna come to Texas and go fuck around.
So it doesn't really affect me. But this this, of course, affects you and the people around here. So, you know, I I kinda wanna give this to you so you can stomp this out on your own. You see what I'm saying here? Okay.
So if you don't mind, I wanna read one one word of every page so we can stomp this out together. So I hope you're having a good day. Georgia, what about you? We need this to be no more. Okay?
So if you're if you don't mind hanging on to this now. K? Woah. K. So it's okay.
Okay.
Speaker 2: What? He said stop it out?
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. You're you're right. Oh, shit. That's an attitude with him.
Do you have Snapchat? That's good. No more Snapchat. Do we agree? Yeah.
Okay. Which one do you think we should read here to stop it out? Oh, you're good.
Speaker 2: Can you just hand me the whole paragraph? I'm really I'm really not in there to talk anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, I kinda wanna do 1 by 1 here. I don't want to do that. You have too many fingers. But that's okay. Well, I'll I'll go quick then.
Not much. I'm doing nothing at the moment. Okay. Hey, guys. Just leave.
Okay? Just leave. He don't wanna talk he don't wanna talk anymore. He wants to go just go inside, Hunter. Go inside and close the door.
Take the papers. Okay. Well, I'm gonna leave the papers here. Mark I don't care what you do with the papers. Just go inside.
Okay? Okay. Mark, may may may I leave it in your truck? No. You can't.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Nowhere nowhere on the property. Okay. Just go. Alright. Hunter.
Wow, bro. Oh my god, dude. I was at, oh, that's Sharif's. Yeah. How's it going, sir?
Speaker 2: No, ma'am.
Speaker 1: So we we have a group called, predator poachers. We catch online child predators across the country. We're from Houston, but we're in Georgia, well, obviously, today. And yesterday, we got a guy arrested in the Catoosa County for online enticement. So Hunter was messaging who he believed to be a 13 in a yeah.
Yeah. 9270. Yeah. He has a he has a spina bifida so he can barely walk. But he mentally, he's all there.
So he he knew what he was doing. But he was messaging who he thought was a 12 to 13 year old bunch of penis pictures and he admitted that on camera to us. And we were the ones posing as said kids and he also told us, in the past couple of years, he's been viewing child pornography as young as infants and toddlers. He claims now that he doesn't have those accounts anymore which look to be true, but you just never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But he's absolutely viewed it and he's like watching. He he can describe videos of infant rape that he saw. So it's not like he was just being sent and didn't look. He looked.
And, yeah. I mean, these messages here are to
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you, you you talked to him today, and he said that he still has he still possesses all he's still possessing a lot of,
Speaker 1: password on it? No. He said he used to download it, but he says not. It has it's been a little bit.
Speaker 2: So What's a little bit to him?
Speaker 1: He said 2 years, but you never fucking know. So, but anyway, like, these are he ripped up a few of the messages, but, you know, here we say I'm 12. He say he says he says we say, how old are you? He said, 25. We say, I'm 12.
He says, oh, okay. And the other messages, were not printed out that are with your 13 year old. He said we say, straight up, are you okay with my age? He says, yes. What are you doing?
He doesn't really solicit a sex act, but the main thing is he just sent penis pictures and I mean, could you kiss you? Would you let me give you a hug? What he said here, I'd be happy to be here first. Can I see your body? Here he sent it.
We we censored it out when we printed it, but he did send his penis picture here. And he admitted to send that was his penis. And, to the 13 year old girl account, he also sent his penis too. Like, so here he says, can I show you my peanut or my eggplant? What's a vegetable?
And he says, no. My dick, baby girl. So then subsequently, he did send, the picture I showed you. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he's in there? Yeah. You said dad pulled up?
Speaker 1: Dad pulled up, and, yeah. I mean, they just basically asked me to leave the proper no no, like, threats or anything, but they were just like, can you leave the property now? And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. Alright. Alright then. I will, you mind if I go to something? Yeah.
Any any other thing any anything else that you got right now?
Speaker 1: Digitally, yes. We have a bunch to send you all, but just, like, for now, that's just that. Okay. Alright. Let's give them something to start on, I guess.
Alright. No problem. And if we can get an email after we can send you the video, all that shit.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure I've thrown on the contact my IPAC people. So Alright.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We'll just be right here. Is my phone down there? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Watch them not answering.
Speaker 1: Fine now, dude. Is it unlocked? Yeah. You did. Okay.
Yeah. It's right there on it.
Speaker 2: Did he did he find you with bank parts or anything?
Speaker 1: No. He said he was 25, and, it was just his picture on there. And then we just looked up under Little in Georgia. I found him in Gainesville. So Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay. Little, l L y? The way it's spelled.
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay.
Speaker 2: I would yeah. We're on the phone. We're our investigator. So, we'll see what we're gonna do if you'll open it.
Speaker 1: Alright. For sure. Scared to open the door. Right? Yeah.
We're in Georgia. Press that red join button, Yayesh. Yes. Yayesh. It's coming.
Speaker 2: So I'll have to get
Speaker 1: some questions from you. Yeah. No problem. Peter let me get my wallet here. Oh, shit.
Alright. Alright. You got it. Alright. Well, Alex is giving his I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna pay some on the back. Okay.
Speaker 1: The information.
Speaker 2: Your driver's license?
Speaker 1: Yep. Let's see what chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a good call from him.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Yeah. Sure. One second, Wanda.
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In this video, a conversation takes place between individuals discussing various aspects of online activities, including inappropriate behavior and illegal content. One person denies any wrongdoing and expresses a desire to involve the authorities. The conversation becomes tense as they discuss the possibility of arrest and recording their conversation. The person being confronted insists on the presence of law enforcement before providing further information. The conversation also touches on the issue of online child exploitation and the importance of accountability. The speakers discuss their own experiences and struggles with explicit content and attraction to younger individuals. They express a desire to connect with someone who understands their experiences. The conversation ends with discussions about airplane mode, laptops, and company phones, as well as food in Barcelona and Italy. The video concludes with a discussion about messaging apps, illegal content, and a specific incident involving child pornography. The individuals confront the person involved and gather evidence, while also promoting a clothing brand and calling for support in catching predators.
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You got a key, Bryce? Alright, man. I just get the monopoly tape.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: Good. How are you? Good. Hey.
Speaker 2: Nice to see you, guys.
Speaker 1: Show you Hey. Hey.
Speaker 2: Nice to
Speaker 3: meet you too, big
Speaker 2: guy. Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No kidding.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's Eric.
Speaker 1: Eric? It's not Aaron. So Got it. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm gonna reach out to you on the phone. Well, that's, Hannah. Okay. Hi. And that's, Ariel.
Hi, gang. Hi. Just how'd have to
Speaker 3: do it. This one now.
Speaker 2: Mind if I
Speaker 1: take off my shoes? Well, be comfortable. Hey. Whatever you want. Be comfortable.
How's your drive over here? Good. Nice, man. It was it was good at 2:30. Okay.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I live by Canton almost. Oh, really?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I visited the PA Pro Football Hall of Fame? Or Yeah. Right.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm, like, 8 miles from there.
Speaker 1: Oh, no shit. Yeah. Yep. I actually I've driven through Canton, but I've never kick your shoes off. Yeah.
Not the mother here. Oh. Well, Let me sit
Speaker 2: this way so we're all
Speaker 1: Yeah. No no problem. No problem. Oh, man. So, so this is, and as you know,
Speaker 2: I was just talking
Speaker 1: about him and, you know, his name is Eric but, you know Yeah.
Speaker 3: Too cute
Speaker 2: to score. Right? I was getting called Aaron and I'm like, I really like Aaron. I actually like my name and do it like
Speaker 1: that. Megadigm.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's a good place to live. I, grew up in Michigan. So we've got married and grew up in Michigan. I've been in Ohio 23 years with the same company. Mhmm.
I'm in plastics chemicals. Really? And we make plastic concentrates. We make
Speaker 3: the world
Speaker 1: a more polluted place.
Speaker 2: I mean, we just built a whole new plant. Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Could get you get paid met you
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: You get paid me money?
Speaker 2: I get paid more than I'm worth. Okay. And then I'm not trying to agree. I'm just saying. Nice, man.
It's family owned company. Oh. About $170,000,000. Holy cow. That seems big.
But Yeah. We're not we we have all these companies that
Speaker 1: have to deal with that are $1,000,000,000
Speaker 2: Right. Or half a 1,000,000,000, you know, and deal with all kinds of companies like that. Yeah. So I I when I was in I don't stay on work stuff very long.
Speaker 1: You're good. No. It's It's interesting. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know Yeah. So what what happened is I I was in the military. Uh-huh. I got I was in the Navy. Thanks for the service.
Lived free ships. Yeah. Thank you. Lived on a ship, the whole time. It was not easy.
No. And, got done with that in 93 and went to, you know, back home in Michigan. And I got started with the company. Okay. Just by happenstance.
My buddy worked there. You know, Bissell Sweepers. Bissell.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's okay.
Speaker 3: It's a
Speaker 2: big famous, vacuum. Okay. I see that. Space there. Sure.
He worked in their color lab doing the color matching. He moved to this other company, Bi Chem. And I got out. So I moved I was my old buddy. So I'm like, he goes, you should I was driving a truck, actually.
I don't know what I wanted to do yet. Yeah. Yeah. It was a long time ago. And he's like,
Speaker 1: you should come in and match color.
Speaker 2: You know, you should come in with a band good. If they get wear a match color. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, when I got in there and they trained me and take make sure I could see colors. I had to take all those tests and saw color really well. Mhmm. And then I so when I did there, it was matching colors for, cars, the metallics, all the cars.
Speaker 1: Okay. I was for
Speaker 2: the Mercedes, the BMWs, the Japanese cars and it's great. Yeah. And then after that, I bought payments from Akron.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And then I actually here's here's something. I actually lived in Marion.
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah. For about a year and a half. Okay. Because when I when I left Viacom, my plant manager took a job with a place called Prime PVC down here. Mhmm.
And then I ran into him at a hockey game in Michigan like a month later. I'm like, what are you doing up here? Yeah. He goes, well, I'm taking a couple months off. I'm like, well, isn't that nice?
You can afford to do that.
Speaker 1: No. Sure.
Speaker 3: I mean,
Speaker 2: that was hourly back then. He goes, you know what? You should think about coming down to Indiana and working down there. They need
Speaker 1: a color. They wanna match all their colors. They don't have
Speaker 2: any one. So then I was a manager. Okay. And I mean, I made crap
Speaker 3: money. Oh,
Speaker 2: well, I
Speaker 1: mean, I was yeah. The thing about Indiana is, like, what what can get you a box in California will get you a 2 store house in Indiana. Oh, that's one thing. It's gonna be Yeah. I gotcha.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: If we had stayed behind
Speaker 1: a house we coulda got,
Speaker 2: It is, like, twice as much. You can get twice as much. Absolutely. But it was a terrible company. Right.
And so because I bought pigments from Africa, they I went into sales. Okay. Sales is and I sell not just pigments but, like, a 1,000 different chemicals. So Okay. I have to pretend I'm smart and be really good at it.
Mhmm. There you go. It's a salesman's job.
Speaker 1: Yes. 100%.
Speaker 2: So I've been there long enough and they do well. They take care of me. So I'm in product management. So aside from sales, I also have a category I manage and I have to import materials and then all other salesmen come to me for pricing. Mhmm.
So now I'm servicing these guys with their accounts and that's a constant thing. And since they're coming in from Malaysia, Thailand, or Taiwan Sure. China and India. We have lots of it's just it's it's just absolutely one product to bring in. You're talking about 500 emails but Okay, Alright.
That's my history. So but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, that is weird. We used to live in Weird. Yeah. Well so I wonder about me. You know, I'm a big big big sports guy.
I kinda ended up
Speaker 2: in classic
Speaker 1: kind of an accident like you did, but I played college football for 3 years of college and then I kind of had an injury and you know division 2 at Adams State University is in Colorado. I don't. I don't really know.
Speaker 2: I I know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You people are you people know Adam State, but it's pretty well, I mean, living in Alamosa, Colorado.
Speaker 2: I mean, wow. Just Nice. Right? Nice. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: But, you know, Midwest is home. So I
Speaker 2: mean, Marion is better now maybe than it was. It wasn't. I think it wasn't so great back then. For sure. We were used to being able there wasn't I think Olive Garden went out of business.
I mean, How does that happen?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's Oakland. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean, it ends now. But back then, Olive Garden went in and go out
Speaker 1: of business.
Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure. But, so Yeah. Yeah. It's a setup.
It's it's not bad. You got any tables. Oh, yeah. Build this get all
Speaker 3: this material
Speaker 2: for a fact. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The free tool. Not too bad.
Speaker 2: So You guys got masks on? Oh, yeah. Do those stay on?
Speaker 1: No. Oh, no. That's just because it's in the lobby and stuff. Okay. I was
Speaker 2: I was just curious.
Speaker 1: They're, they're they're a little bit
Speaker 2: I, I don't blame you, but I'm not
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. We had
Speaker 2: our COVID last year. Just wanna reassure you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I don't understand where
Speaker 2: we're at. We had, gosh,
Speaker 1: Had the COVID in November
Speaker 2: of last year. Couldn't taste any for a month. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: I wish I could taste anything for a
Speaker 2: month as well. And then when I got my taste back, that tasted weird. Okay. So I got the only thing that tasted normal was sweets. Everything else that I like did not taste right.
It tastes weird. Right. It messed up my taste. But sweet things tasted good. So I developed a massive dude, I will lay in bed and he you know, he gets these caramels with the white frosting.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Yes. I will
Speaker 2: lay in bed at 11 at night. That's not something you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Glad you got a sweet fetish, Kenneth. Please do here.
Speaker 2: I put on a few pounds. It's okay. Speaking of that sort of refreshment thing. Yeah. I'm I'm a geek.
Okay? A little geeky sometimes. But, yeah. That's what we're referring to. I went to the stores today.
I got some can some just caramels in the candy. Okay. But I didn't think about what that big candy looks like. Can you get any more peanut looking bag of candy?
Speaker 1: Hello? Well, anyway, so Hey, everyone. That's this is, you know, I've been friends with him for about 10 years this year. Yeah. 10 years.
And, so, you know, I would be over at home. Right? So, you know, so, you know, a lot of daddies do that to your baby girls. Okay? Do you wanna do you wanna tell her what you did your baby girl and choose?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. We had fun. We we did a lot of I mean, I'm a big cuddleer. So I called cuddle my mother for hours above cuddle. But yeah.
Yeah. So I have you know, we we even when she was little, I I, you know, kissed her all over stuff. They came together and I got to taste her. She loved it a lot.
Speaker 1: So do you remember how daddy tasted your little kitty? Mhmm. So Eric did the same thing to his daughter and she liked it. Right? Yes.
She loved it. She loved it. And, you know, we started when you were about 5.
Speaker 2: How how old did you start here about her? When she was 5. Okay. 5, 5, or 6. Okay.
And you did look either too? Oh, I did. Did. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Definitely.
Speaker 1: Did, she wants to know that did she ever insert her? Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. But she was a little too young for that. Okay. Later on, they did. But Oh, yeah.
Mom wasn't so into it. So if you have to add that, it would've
Speaker 1: been better. Right. Right. You know? No.
So, you know, you know, you know, daddy hasn't gone all the way with you, but do you remember where all the way is?
Speaker 2: Okay. So Do you guys get do you have outfits or or you're not
Speaker 1: doing outfits? No. We were we were thinking you would bring them. But I don't know. Well,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I've been busy and then I went to the stores and they don't have apparently, they don't have I was gonna get her some stockings. And, they don't have they don't have them anymore. Yeah. When I was younger, they have them.
So but,
Speaker 1: well, she she loves playing Monopoly. So if you don't mind, after we're done with everything, do you wanna play the if you
Speaker 2: wanna play it? Sure. Sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That makes me feel comfortable. You still Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just want you all to feel comfortable right now. Okay.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, I kind of told, you know, you know how in school they have showed you what a vagina is or what? I know daddy talks to you. But, but, you know, Eric wants to kind of show some of you see what you're comfortable with. Because we're not gonna you know, can you I told you Great, Cameron.
You told dad you're uncomfortable. Okay?
Speaker 2: But she's seen you guys together, right, quite a few times. She has. Yeah. Okay. So that's not a shocker.
Right. No. Guys being together. No. But she hasn't seen,
Speaker 1: she hasn't seen anybody else together. Right. I'm sure I've already put them on her.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Yeah. But Yeah. Like, you know, if you guys started, you know, getting comfortable with her and her
Speaker 1: do you kind of, stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't have really good.
Speaker 1: I have Ethan, I'll show you what I got. With the, the younger radios there?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably had something. Some others
Speaker 1: Here's what they're okay. Wait. Not not Are they all on the telemark app?
Speaker 2: No. And I I meant to talk to you about this. Okay. You should look in again Mega sometime.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Because it's end to end encrypted. It's been very totally encrypted. The company themselves can't even the company, if you look up Wikipedia on it, they can't they can't even see this. Really? It's it's it's the advanced technology they use to decipher that's on your phone and and then and then encrypts the like, it puts it in pieces.
Speaker 1: It's your best phone door.
Speaker 2: It sends it. Okay. Well, it's the same technology. Mhmm. It's Teller Guard.
Same thing. They can't see it until it gets to the other end, which is the end
Speaker 1: of the encryption and then it
Speaker 2: puts it all together. So these companies don't even see it. But but, tell Telegram, that is not the case. Yeah. Telegram, I kinda try to stay off that.
So I was saying if you're using
Speaker 1: Oh, wait. You got the phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh. Okay. I just got this, like, a week ago. Okay.
I was gonna show you first. Okay.
Speaker 1: And then you can show her. Got it. So
Speaker 2: that's my I handed you my phone number.
Speaker 1: Yes. Wait. I have to I didn't read something. You want me to unlock my phone for you? Yeah.
Eric, we're gonna have a conversation about what's going on here. Okay? I don't want
Speaker 3: to sit out the room now.
Speaker 1: So I'm not here to hurt you or anything, but we do we should probably go over what's what's being talked about here. Okay? I do just wanna have a conversation. I know you're not a bad guy or anything. Alright?
But I do know where you work. I know you live. I just wanna have a conversation about it. Nobody should hurt you. Okay?
Do you understand? Okay. So look, I know you're not a bad dude. I know you work hard. I've never done this before.
Speaker 2: Okay. And I did not do anything with my daughter. I made it up.
Speaker 1: Maybe just I'm gonna stop you right there.
Speaker 2: I'm very surprised that you
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you right there. I'm not I'm not gonna ask about that anymore. So I'm just I'm just kinda curious, okay, kinda what's been going on with this because I think you're too good of a person to fall into this type of shit. Okay? Those are they're with me for safety reasons.
Alright? So nobody here is gonna hurt you. Do you have any weapons on you? No. Okay.
So everything for your safety is being recorded. We're not gonna hurt you. We're not gonna take anything from you. Okay? I genuinely like getting to know you.
It's funny. I'm not I'm not allowed to talk or You are allowed to talk. Because you
Speaker 2: you didn't wanna hear what I was about to say or what I was trying to say. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not I'm not asking about your daughter right now. Okay?
Speaker 2: Right. Well, I I said that because you had told me that you had experience. So I made
Speaker 1: it,
Speaker 2: to to match your your because when you showed up and then you said you hadn't done anything with her, I was like,
Speaker 1: okay. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I felt like I had to make that
Speaker 1: up. Okay.
Speaker 2: Well And then my kids would they would tell you that. Sure. I've never done anything with them.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. So I'm more I'm more, I'm kinda curious because, you know, you said you were talking to a guy in Germany. I'm more curious about people who are actually out here doing this stuff like the real bad people. Like the guy in Germany who's, like, producing, for example, that type of stuff.
Okay? I don't think you're high on the totem pole, at least not yet. And I think I think today should be the day that we probably should pull off that totem pole. I told you I never met anyone before. Right.
Speaker 2: I've never run anything like that.
Speaker 1: I understand. But, you know, I I want you to be transparent with me. Okay? Because I'm giving you the courtesy of just doing this in a hotel room with you. I'm not doing this in lobby.
I'm not doing this in a No. I appreciate that. And I appreciate you too. Yeah. Thanks.
So I just wanna ask, Okay? If you answer this question, honestly, I think the rest of this can go pretty smoothly. Alright? When did this kind of stuff start for you? Is it online?
Support before it? Yes. Talking about this?
Speaker 2: Probably a year ago or something that you've ever talked to anyone. I've been with, you know, couples, but older. Yeah. So I can't remember how it started. Just the young bitchers that aren't illegal, you know.
Bitchers, rabbit hole. Yeah. And I'm just I wasn't looking for anything else, but, you know, they're they kinda all of a sudden you're talking to people about those kind of things and then you see something else so they send you something.
Speaker 1: So okay. What happened what happened? They start sending you stuff on?
Speaker 2: The guy sent me Well, if I do this I mean, I'm not under arrest right now.
Speaker 1: Nope. But, you know, we do have everything saved and No. I understand.
Speaker 2: I just wanna before I, you know, do this Mhmm.
Speaker 1: If if
Speaker 2: I do do it or don't do it, does it change the end outcome of this? Like, am I All
Speaker 1: I know is that, you know, if you can I'm
Speaker 2: getting the cuffs on me tonight. So probably
Speaker 1: Well Just let I I didn't say that. But all all all No. I know. But I'm not Right.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you got a team. So Well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not even I'd rather There's there's I mean, I'm making no guarantees to you. 1 or 2 I know. I know. But You know? I would rather.
Okay. But, Eric, listen to me. If you can point me in the direction of actual producers and people who got you into this mess, then I'm willing to work with you. Okay? Because I don't think
Speaker 2: what does working with me mean? Because what you're you can tell me that and then the the police are waiting to come in.
Speaker 1: The no. I'm not saying that. Okay? No. But they are.
Speaker 2: You you're not saying they're not, so they are.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, what I'm saying right now is that I have no intentions of doing anything but talking to you. Okay?
Speaker 2: You. Right. But if I'm gonna have the the whole police interaction when you give them the go ahead, then I'd rather have all this, this conversation than
Speaker 1: them. Okay. Well well, do you know the thing this isn't to put you on blast or anything like that. Okay? You know, because there's 2 there's 2 ways.
You know what I mean? I think I don't think you're the type that needs trouble. I think maybe some help. But if you're willing to get help.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: And I'm willing to help you. Okay? Straight up, man. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: I am willing to get help. Okay. I've told you multiple times I've never done this.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So I
Speaker 1: don't I
Speaker 2: don't think you show up and say you've never done Aon. Right. So And then you and then you put me on the spot. Like, Eric, what did you do What
Speaker 1: did you do in your audio?
Speaker 2: Did you record that on video? It's recorded. Yes. Yeah. Where do you go?
Speaker 1: Went along. No. I I I I I recorded everything. Okay? Because
Speaker 2: So you got me saying I did something with my daughter that I didn't.
Speaker 1: Well, and Well, right now, I'm all I'm only
Speaker 2: gonna seem to.
Speaker 1: I'm only gonna shit. I'm only gonna ask about well, that we have it in the messages. We have it here. So if you wanna just kinda catch an attitude, that's totally fine. No.
No.
Speaker 2: Can I discuss without Yes? Getting angry with me?
Speaker 3: Yes. I would. I don't have
Speaker 1: an attitude. Okay. I'm So so discussing
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I've never done anything.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's fine.
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to make a notation that you've got me to say something that I didn't do by telling me to. That's fine. And you're not deny you I hope you had that recorded.
Speaker 1: Oh, we have it right now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't recorded. That's really not you know, I'm not copying an attitude
Speaker 1: but Okay.
Speaker 2: You know, that's you record you got me to say something in my ear and Eric, that's totally fine. Made me say told me to say something I didn't do.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not talking about your daughter right now.
Speaker 2: I know. But I want that's a bad thing. Okay. That's That's what that part was really bad.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I want that to be documented. That's
Speaker 1: fine. I understand. And so if you're if you can point me in the right direction to actual bad people, I'm I'm cool.
Speaker 2: I can. Okay. I'm not gonna do that. And then
Speaker 1: have I'm saying the swarm come
Speaker 2: in That's and be arrested. That's more than fair. Do an all night, interrogation. That's
Speaker 1: more than fair.
Speaker 2: Which is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's I'm not saying that's gonna happen, dude. No.
Speaker 2: No. I understand how this goes. You're not saying it's gonna happen. But you're not saying it's not gonna happen which means it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't blackmail anybody one way or the other.
Speaker 2: I would like the people any other people waiting including the police department to come in now and and talk to me. Well, Eric, you know, Are you a officer? No.
Speaker 1: No. Eric. I'd like to
Speaker 2: have them come up with Okay. I'd like you to say, hey. You know, this is give me that. You you you see me, you hear me, that and all the confidence. So give me that and tell them please come on up.
Please come on up. It's gonna do this a little difficult. Go meet with, you know Okay.
Speaker 1: Eric Eric Eric. Come up. Eric.
Speaker 2: We can have the conversation.
Speaker 1: Eric, right now, I don't think you called the shots, man.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: But I don't have to
Speaker 2: incriminate myself to you. Eric,
Speaker 1: the information has come now. No. They're they're they're they're
Speaker 2: they're they're if you're gonna do this twice.
Speaker 1: If you're concerned about that if you're concerned about that, then you're here right now. Okay? I'm willing to work through this and talk to you because look. So let's just say the worst possible thing happens. There's cops right outside the door.
Okay? Let's just say there is. I'm not even saying there is.
Speaker 2: But, you know There are. So I wanna talk to them.
Speaker 1: Okay. So if we Eric, how do you think it looks being like this? I just wanna be pointed in the right direction with these people.
Speaker 3: Willing to
Speaker 2: do that Okay. Not under these circumstances.
Speaker 1: I don't have
Speaker 2: to either because I haven't seen any ID yet. Mhmm. I haven't seen that you work for an official authority.
Speaker 3: I
Speaker 2: haven't seen any
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: And I don't I really don't I have the right to not
Speaker 1: Of course, you have the right.
Speaker 3: I don't
Speaker 1: know who you are.
Speaker 2: You know, I have
Speaker 1: Of course, you have the right.
Speaker 2: You know, this is all happening. Okay. And I'm I'm a human being.
Speaker 1: You are
Speaker 2: a human being. I would like to
Speaker 1: That's why I'm giving you the courtesy of a conversation to explain yourself. What's the courtesy? Well, the courtesy the courtesy is Eric. Eric, the courtesy is, you know, if this is something that just popped in your mind one day that you wanted to do this, that's a lot different than, hey. There could have been some stuff online of people that got me into this because, you know, in the in the end, there's some shots that I can maybe call or maybe not call.
You know what I mean? So, Aaron,
Speaker 2: I I'm not I've already told you that there were people that Okay. Got me into it.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that. But I I I'm not here. I'll make I'll make this promise to you. I won't talk about your daughter furthermore. How about that?
You have the notation. I'm just gonna talk to you about
Speaker 3: your shit.
Speaker 2: Valued my daughter. I've never done anything.
Speaker 1: Okay. I mean, you That's fine.
Speaker 2: Kinda you tricked me into saying I did something. Right? I'm not talking about my daughter.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Well, let's not talk about it. Bringing her up again. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna bring her
Speaker 2: up then. How about that?
Speaker 1: I'm doing better. Alright.
Speaker 2: And how you're doing this. Sure. You want something good out of it.
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay.
Speaker 2: And I'm not stupid. Alright.
Speaker 1: So I Well, I I'm more
Speaker 2: curious my daughter up again just now.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I'm more I'm more curious about how they got you into the stuff online, kind of what was going on, like, how these communities formed. That's what we're curious about.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that. Alright.
Speaker 1: Let's start with that then. That's fine.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have the authorities be involved at this point, Believe it or not. Okay. I mean, if they're if they're right out there, I'm I'm I don't see why we can't just do
Speaker 1: that. Eric, it's not only for my knowledge. Okay?
Speaker 2: Can you ask them to come in? I mean, I'm not under arrest. Can if they're right out there. I mean, if that's how that's gonna go. I mean, I'm asking Mhmm.
I'm saying if that's what's gonna happen then I would prefer to have that conversation once.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you know, Eric, I'm not Eric. I'm sure if they were to be involved, they'd ask about other shit. I'm only here to ask about the other groups because there's other there's real bad people like the guy in Germany
Speaker 2: that I'd rather go after. I know that. But what I'm saying, listen to me. Mhmm. You're gonna post
Speaker 3: this. It's
Speaker 2: gonna go online.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that.
Speaker 2: Quit saying you didn't say that. I'm I'm using
Speaker 1: sure whatever I've
Speaker 2: learned in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Okay. Whatever you've been 2 years old. Okay.
Speaker 2: You're gonna post it anyway. Okay? If you weren't, you would've definitely told me you wouldn't, not just that you didn't say okay.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna post it. So, Eric, I do wanna have
Speaker 2: You can still post it. You're gonna post it.
Speaker 1: I haven't so so fine. This whole thing going on. Sure. Sure. Well, that's for safety reasons.
Eric Eric gets your safety. I know
Speaker 2: you're gonna post it publicly. Mhmm. And my life is practically over at this point.
Speaker 1: Okay. So so Eric Eric, Eric, so put yourself in my shoes. Okay? Do you think that if I cut down one branch, but that but instead of cutting down the branch, it'll lead me to the whole root of the tree. Do you think that I'd still care about cutting down the branch?
Speaker 3: Or do
Speaker 1: you think I'd care about going
Speaker 3: after the whole tree? You're a smart guy. You can figure
Speaker 2: that out. So, Eric, I I am willing I gotta hear that again.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm sorry. Do you think that I do you so right now I have a branch in front me, but I think the branch can lead me to the roots. So if the branch leads me to the roots, do you think I'd care about cutting down the branch? Not really.
So I'm I'm more curious, Eric, about how this stuff kinda started online. Okay. Yeah. A little bit of your experience Instagram. Instagram.
Yeah. Okay. So they I don't think they sent them on Instagram though. Where did
Speaker 2: you kinda sleep like you're on there.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay? They you you see their site. Not long ago Instagram had the pages that literally had stuff that was illegal. Really literally illegal.
Speaker 1: See, I genuinely
Speaker 2: didn't know that. They, you know and that's, you know, they I think they've cleaned that up a little bit. But anyways, people's pages and then they they you, you know, they email you and send you stuff and start talking and start talking to you, kinda like you did.
Speaker 1: Okay. You know? What app would you say is the most extreme for this type of stuff? At least in your experience.
Speaker 2: You're this is an interview that's being recorded. Mhmm. And it's for public proliferation to post. So I would like to do that. If this is for documentation for actual getting something done
Speaker 1: Oh, a 100%.
Speaker 2: They can't see what's on the paper. So I cut the cameras and then I'll
Speaker 1: Here, I'll put the I'll put the
Speaker 2: papers away. No. I'm you you got that backwards. We can do the paper and do the information and I can give you stuff and I could even maybe sign things. But to do it for the purpose of the, internet
Speaker 1: Fine. Close the camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and I'm in the voice recorder too. So I
Speaker 1: don't have any mics on mute. Okay. The gear
Speaker 2: the gear, camera closed. Get this before the police open. I mean
Speaker 1: Eric And I gotta go through all of it. Eric, I've given you those steps. I've closed the camera.
Speaker 3: What is the
Speaker 2: I mean, is this just for the interview and to put it to the public? Does that
Speaker 1: Eric Eric, if I care about putting it to the public, I could've done that.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't the police be here getting this information? Because that that would need to be done by an officer No. It wouldn't. In a professional Well, yeah. Because, I mean, you you come in there guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A guy with a bunch of papers.
Speaker 2: Eric. Eric.
Speaker 1: I'm a Eric. I wanna be led to people who are probably producing child porn. Okay? Because with those people, sure, I can get anybody involved. Okay?
Speaker 2: I'm willing to do that if you don't post this online. I'm not gonna do all of that and have my life at at you. I told you I've raised a family and a church. I've never done anything with my kids. Mhmm.
Okay? I support them. You know, I served my country. I've done all that. And I generally I have a speeding ticket.
Speaker 1: I 8 years ago. I'll tell you. I genuinely appreciate it.
Speaker 2: My life is gonna be completely over with. I'm not going to plan to
Speaker 1: do the interview Okay.
Speaker 2: And then seeing that go rob buyer.
Speaker 1: Okay. I just
Speaker 2: And I'm not I'd I'd rather just be arrested and do it and not have it this this thing go online and beat all that. Okay.
Speaker 1: So hold on. I genuinely appreciate your service to this country. Okay?
Speaker 2: Nothing about that. I I get it. Okay?
Speaker 1: I genuinely appreciate your service. I appreciate the church and all that. I'm religious myself. Okay? So I don't think I don't think a year or even a few years of getting carried away on the Internet is the end all be all.
That's not how I roll.
Speaker 2: Okay? Coerced me into saying I did something with my daughter.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you keep
Speaker 2: bringing it talk to the police about I bring it up because it's important. It's a critical piece of information. No one's coerced
Speaker 1: you to put it on paper here. So What'd you put on paper?
Speaker 2: You coerced me in the conversation.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. That's not how it works. That's not how it works at all. But like I told you, I'm done bringing it up. So, if you wanna keep bringing it up, that's totally fine.
But I care more about the online stuff that people are getting you into because I don't think you're the of any of this stuff at all. Okay?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Okay. So rather than so rather than you be bunched in with those people, how about what separates yourself? And if you can point me into groups or people that are like the German guy, for example,
Speaker 2: that's one guy we wanna point. An office with a desk, and I need a way to to look things up and have you print them and show you. I can't just do it like this. This is for entertainment.
Speaker 1: It's not for entertainment. Eric Eric, orally we can get I mean, you just bring up the TeleGuard app, MegaLinks. Alright.
Speaker 3: I'll tell
Speaker 2: you one thing. Sure. I wasn't looking for this.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But I'm giving you all this and the end results the same.
Speaker 1: No. Eric, it's it's I'm not saying that, dude.
Speaker 2: You know? You you know you know for a fact if I am being arrested and going to jail tonight or not. You know that information.
Speaker 1: No. I don't. So Eric No.
Speaker 2: You do. Eric. You have to. You can't do this without police giving you permission
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: To have a subpoena. Eric, let's just say that the worst possible scenario is gonna happen. Okay? I'm not even saying it is. Let's just say it does.
Would you rather and let's just say you get posted to 2,000,000,000,000 people. I know you're right. 2,000,000,000,000 people. Would you would you rather be a guy who catches an attitude, clams up, who who gets caught red handed and still just has a smug attitude? Watch this No.
No.
Speaker 2: No. Do you think I have a cop in attitude? I mean, don't I have a right to talk? I mean Well,
Speaker 1: of course you have a right to talk. But if you wanna be known as someone who doesn't really have much accountability, doesn't really
Speaker 2: he says he says he wants help
Speaker 1: but doesn't actually point people in the right direction to get it, You can you can be known as that. That's fine. Okay?
Speaker 2: I don't wanna be known
Speaker 1: as anything.
Speaker 2: I just don't want Yeah. I'm willing to do that stuff but that's Okay. You know
Speaker 1: So right now That's I I guess you're a venue. Yes. I guess you're a manager but right now you don't call the shots. Okay? So right now I'm giving you this courtesy of just talking.
Eric, how many times have I told you I care more about, let's say, the German guy for example, than I care about you. You can just leave me as someone like that. Okay? So I get you. We're looking for it.
I understand the Internet. Once someone's hooked on to someone on the Internet it just goes and goes and goes. Okay? I can understand that. Alright?
Speaker 2: You're still recording. We closed the camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have put it like that. Anyway, have him come up. You don't have to go through this all again. Are you a sergeant? Did you work for him?
Speaker 1: No. I don't work for just
Speaker 2: the guy. So Right. We're with
Speaker 1: a group called Kid Protectors USA. And I respect that. Okay. Well, you know, Eric, I just I just wish, you know, as a father, this is important because, you know, people sent you videos of kids being hurt, you know. And I I know you don't like that stuff.
I don't think you do. But, gosh, if there's any apps or groups or people we can point me to, do that because, you know, Marion, Indiana, they're not they're not gonna help somebody in Germany, but I could potentially can, you know. So
Speaker 2: Well, I can I can do that at any time?
Speaker 1: K.
Speaker 2: I hear you. Can talk to the you know, we can go through the authority part first and then I can certainly do that. Certainly get you all that information. Okay. Whatever I've seen.
Well, Eric,
Speaker 1: you know, I do wanna ask you about some things for my not only just it's not for anything but my peace of mind. Okay? Because, you know, of course, I wanna get better at this too. I wanna kinda learn how the mind can get carried away and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Can do that. Okay. You know, I'm you can come and visit me. We can and interview me once I get booked and I'm in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm I'm here to do it here. Do that. I'm I'm here to do it here. Just give me 15 minutes.
How about that?
Speaker 2: I've already done that.
Speaker 1: Well, what's
Speaker 2: the you did was was not good. You coerced me into saying I did something to my kid. You literally told me to. You lost, you lost some credibility there.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily what I said.
Speaker 2: I just It is. I've said I've It is.
Speaker 1: I've said I've done stuff with her already.
Speaker 2: Very surprised you came over and said, hey, just play along and say what you did to your daughter, wink wink, kind of that's how you said it. Mhmm. No. I'd like you to I'd like to see that you have that part recorded. We do.
The way you leaned over, let's yeah. That that's bad. Because now, you know, that was really surprising for me that you did that. It was very very uncomfortable. And then so I'm sitting here like I'm supposed to tell him I did stuff with my daughter.
Okay. Okay. Well, Eric. Eric. I want the police to hear that part.
Speaker 1: They will. Do you want me do you want me to show them
Speaker 2: it? I I think they should see it. Okay. I think they should see it.
Speaker 1: Well, Eric, I I kinda wanna ask And and I I
Speaker 2: think it should be. Well, let
Speaker 1: me let me answer this.
Speaker 2: Let me just let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. Why did you go through with this today?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we've been talking for Okay. A while. And, you certainly made it sound like a wonderful thing. And everything you told me, it made me really I've never I've never met with anyone before or done anything like that. Mhmm.
But everything you told me about it, it I was like, that okay. That that makes sense. Mhmm. I mean, you you said, have you ever been with a child? And I said, no.
Mhmm. And you said, well, trust me. It's a life changing experience.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're asking what brought me here today. That kind of conversation is what brought me here today. That's the truth.
Speaker 1: What interested you in doing stuff to a 9 year old?
Speaker 2: Well, what's the life changing event you told me about?
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's in the What
Speaker 1: what what was it after the conversation? Yeah. Yeah. What was it?
Speaker 2: I just thought you said have you ever been with a child before and I said no. Mhmm. And you said trust the verse I don't know if you said trust me. You don't believe me. That's a life changing experience.
Speaker 1: You don't remember that? I remember now.
Speaker 2: So what Well, that's
Speaker 1: so what what what is
Speaker 3: going on
Speaker 2: here me out here today.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But what about that is kinds of things
Speaker 3: brought me out
Speaker 1: here today. What about wanting to go gentle with a 9 year old interested in you today though? Like, you know, I know About what? About wanting to, like, be gentle with a 9 year old, put it in a 9 year old. And what about that interested you today?
Speaker 2: I was afraid that you
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I
Speaker 2: was afraid that you were going to be even, you know, worse than that or something.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: I thought you would be abusive and rough or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. What was your so this is actually I wanna know for my peace of mind because I think it's fair for you to know the person you're talking to and for me to know the person I'm talking to. Like, I obviously know your name, but, like, I think it's important that because you did mention to your credit that you were gonna be gentle with Ariel. You're gonna not force anything onto her. What I'm actually curious about is, was it actually gonna be forced or we're kinda gonna leave it up to her
Speaker 2: to do all that? Never force anything.
Speaker 1: Okay. So Never. So with all those setting
Speaker 2: Do you get a notion that I care about people?
Speaker 1: Yes. I do I do actually.
Speaker 2: I care deeply about people. Okay. So any That's the honest truth.
Speaker 1: So anything with Ariel would have been consensual today?
Speaker 2: It would have absolutely had to be. Okay. And and I never said anything to the alternate. I've never done this before. Okay.
You have done this many times. Mhmm. That's what you told me. Now when you came in, you go, now, Aaron, you know, we've he's never gone in you before. You've told me you've done this.
I've never done this before. I've never met anyone before. I've never touched a child. I don't even touched a child before. Mhmm.
And and that's concerning that the way you did that. Mhmm. I I think it just Okay.
Speaker 1: But what what what about That's a good question. Well, what about today made you wanna do it? Like, what about this situation made you wanna actually do it for the first time?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what we were really gonna
Speaker 1: do. Okay. Well, we have that for that. And I mean, it's kinda like the the sucking and putting it in her gently. Like, what about that was interesting to you?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know about that. I mean, I really don't.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, what about it is life changing?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Well, I guess my question is, you specifically made it to where you said gentle and nothing to hurt her. But why not? Like, why why did you stop it at that and not say, yeah, I wanna do this, that, and that. Like, what what why why was that your line is what I'm I guess what I'm curious about.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: You're good. No. I mean, truly, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't like to hurt people. Okay. I don't like to do things that make people feel bad. I don't like to, say things that make people feel bad.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I feel bad, you know, I have empathy for
Speaker 1: people. Okay.
Speaker 2: Got it. And I would never wanna do something that would hurt someone.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, hypothetically, what if I we can take a picture. I think his notifications just flashed or something. I hypothetically, what if and I'm I think I know. But what if, like, Ariel was, like, I don't wanna, like, stop doing this?
Speaker 2: There's no way I would do anything. Okay. And I have you can talk to my kids. I've never done anything to them.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, get me to, get me to make set me up to say I did something to my kid. Mhmm. That's pretty
Speaker 1: rough. Well, nobody made you say that in the messages. So, that's completely that was completely your own I mean, what did they say? You said Let's I don't know. I mean, what did they say?
You said
Speaker 2: Let's I don't know. I mean, what did they say?
Speaker 1: You said
Speaker 2: Let's are they if you do
Speaker 1: do you actually want me to show you what what was said? No. I
Speaker 2: mean, I I know what you said and I know what I said and Okay. You're asking me to repeat it verbatim even if you have it printed. So
Speaker 1: Right. So I'm not so I'm not asking you to repeat I mean, it's it's something that it's something that,
Speaker 2: am I under arrest right now? No. And and I I'm being detained lawfully right now? Mm-mm. So can I hear my phone back so I can text my wife?
Well, there's the gray area. I'd like to call her.
Speaker 1: Do you wanna give her a call?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I I would. So how do
Speaker 1: I know you're not gonna just tamper with your phone?
Speaker 2: Can you hand me my diet coke, please? Yes. So this stuff's going online, ain't it? No matter what.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not I I didn't say you can or can't use your phone. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: you this stuff's posted. My life's over with. My life is over with. I will be fired and definitely everything. Yeah.
You know that. I just need those shows and stuff. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, do you do you wanna go out with dignity or do you wanna go out, like, fighting against something that you
Speaker 2: can't win? And fight. I'm gonna fight. I know what's gonna happen. That don't seem like I'm gonna fight.
Speaker 1: Can we just be honest then with each other? Like, just truly, could we be honest with each other?
Speaker 2: I I don't feel like you're obligated to be honest with me in this situation. Okay. I know you're not a liar by nature.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to be fully transparent with you is what I'm gonna ask you. I don't
Speaker 2: I mean, I would like that but I don't think I don't believe you're gonna be buddy. Yeah. Of course. I don't want someone to tell me that I've been asking questions.
Speaker 1: Okay. Of course I want. Fair true. Fair enough. Fair enough.
So, no, I don't plan on putting you on blast but, of course, obviously, I know where you work, know where you live and all that sort of type of stuff and
Speaker 2: Well, you've got everything and you've got that my life's in your hands. You know that. My life I maybe it means a lot
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: I'm not some guy that has been in jail Right. Out for a while and 4 kids with I know. You know, 2 women or without a job or No. I'm So 23 years at a company. I'm well known in the community.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So So I'll I'll tell you this, Eric.
Speaker 2: So we we both know if it goes online, my life's over.
Speaker 1: I I can concur with that. Yes. That's
Speaker 2: what's in the balance for me. Yes. And it's a different situation. You're going into some scab list. Does drugs.
I don't do drugs. I don't drink. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've obeyed the law.
I, you know, I work. I go home. I'm a home person.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I know I know you do good for the community and that's why it wasn't a because I could've came in a lot of different ways too.
Speaker 2: I know. But I don't wanna go through this whole thing with an insinuation that if I do all this it might not go online and it just goes online anyway.
Speaker 1: I don't wanna Oh, I'm not I'm not insinuating anything.
Speaker 3: I'm not
Speaker 2: Well, no. When I asked you, you said, I didn't I didn't say it would. I didn't say it wouldn't. Well, if it's going to anyway, there there is a truth there that I don't know that you do know. Mhmm.
And that I don't, you know, the truth is either it's going online no matter what or it could
Speaker 3: or could not. You know you know that information. I don't. Mhmm. If it's going if
Speaker 2: the truth is it's going online prefer to just have a law enforcement office that are there and then get a lawyer
Speaker 1: and do that. So this
Speaker 3: is not
Speaker 2: still be willing to give you information. But this is
Speaker 1: So this this is what I care about. I'm willing to work with people who are honest. Okay?
Speaker 3: What does
Speaker 2: it mean work with someone?
Speaker 1: That that's what I was gonna say. I don't necessarily know right now what it means. It can mean different things for different people. I have no idea. But all I can say is, you know, your reputation to me coming in here was somebody who is well respected, who maybe the Internet just got the best of them for a a certain period of time.
And that's okay. That happens. Everybody struggles with addiction.
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to open to the Internet. Open to the Internet? Yeah. You tape it and the truth is which I don't know is that it's gonna be posted online no matter what. I'm supposed to contribute to that.
Do you see what I'm saying? All of that idiot. Sure. Oh, wow. Yeah.
No.
Speaker 3: This is
Speaker 2: a good part where he says yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I know I know what you're saying.
I I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2: If I knew for sure I was gonna You have them come in and and cuff me up roughly and and do that whole thing. And I'm gonna have to tell them, you know Well, no. I anyway, I
Speaker 1: I know And then that goes online so my whole life is over. I understand.
Speaker 2: Why why do I not be need to be a circus animal?
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be a circus animal. This is me this is me having a genuine conversation with you, Eric. Okay?
Speaker 2: I I get that and I see how that goes. I loved the shows on TV. I'm not gonna say, you know, what shit is Love that.
Speaker 1: They're just Okay. We're not putting this on fucking, you know we're not we're not some TV show or any bullshit like that. Okay?
Speaker 2: If it goes on YouTube or anything, I'm dead. Okay. If you don't know what I look like
Speaker 1: Yes, Eric. I'm I'm I'm aware. Okay? But
Speaker 2: Alright. Let's start. Let's back up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. You know what I did. Mhmm.
Speaker 2: You know that I drove out here and showed up.
Speaker 1: Yes. You
Speaker 2: know what I said.
Speaker 3: So you
Speaker 2: don't really have to mince through all that.
Speaker 1: Okay. Alright.
Speaker 2: Well You wanna know I'm being constructive.
Speaker 1: Go on.
Speaker 3: On. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're
Speaker 2: cool. You wanna know why I you want the psychology part of it. Mhmm. And I don't wanna I don't wanna I have a lot of things to say about the psychology part of it. And I don't wanna say it for, a platform.
I'm a And I don't wanna say it for, a platform on YouTube. Mhmm. You know, a TikTok or, you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna do it for that.
Speaker 1: I'm aware. I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: that under those conditions. I'm gonna do that if someone is like you wanna know these things for the purpose of understanding? I don't why would you wanna you know, that's the law is why.
Speaker 1: The curse of understanding. So take you as a blueprint and then say I'm with somebody who I think is actually a pretty big threat to kids, not you, but just somebody else who's like that. If I can better understand them because I understand you a little bit, why not? I mean, why don't you be part of the solution? Because we're
Speaker 2: I can say what I can say to you when I think I'm being surveilled.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, because well, you're not
Speaker 2: being There's no there's no law. I mean, you this is just so far
Speaker 1: I just have some guys I don't know that came in here with cameras. Yeah. So So I Yeah. Eric, so so right now, I'm just saying you can be part of the problem which, you know, the untrained eye would look at this and think you're probably part of the problem. Or you can be part of the solution, which is kinda helping out with this stuff.
So I'm willing to go the Internet addiction route and talk about it and figure out, like, hey. What kinda happened with this? You got how'd you get looped into this type of stuff? I'm willing to go that route, man.
Speaker 2: We can do that. We have plenty of time to do that. Okay. Well, I'm not doing that once you get me. Arrested and I'm gonna be without a job.
So you've got plenty of time to do that. Okay. I'm willing to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not willing. Well, I'm I'm willing to do it here.
Speaker 2: Why do you wanna hear?
Speaker 1: Well, okay. Well, why? Because Eric, you understand that okay. Let's just say it's a going to the cops blah blah blah blah. Okay.
I'm not even saying that. But let's just
Speaker 2: say let's just say worst case scenario. I can But it it it it it's all gonna happen. Okay. I know that.
Speaker 1: Fine. Sure. We can we can operate into that assumption if you if you have if you're just not gonna
Speaker 2: It has to. Okay.
Speaker 1: Fine. I know. Fine. Eric, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm facing for every think. There's a lot to lose. I don't know what to lose.
Speaker 1: There is. So So but, Eric, I can always vouch for you. You. Okay? I can always say, hey, you know what?
Maybe Eric took some accountability. Maybe maybe it's truly something with the internet that poison the brain. That's how that's how I'm because listen to me. If you're standing in the sand in the middle of the desert, there's a million ways you could've gotten there. Right?
Alright.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something. Sure. I know there are bits and pieces but there isn't a whole I can't write a book on
Speaker 1: this. Okay. I'm not expecting
Speaker 2: a book. I do have an attraction to underage girls.
Speaker 1: When did that start?
Speaker 2: When I was a kid. Did anything happen to you?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Okay.
Speaker 2: And I started realizing about the 6th or or 7th grade. Right around there. That's when I started realizing that I was looking at girls like, a few years younger. Sure. And my friends aren't.
And I even hinted. I mean, is this getting recorded? You're recording it. See? Are you recording me?
No. He's just
Speaker 1: No. He's texting. He's not recording.
Speaker 2: I mean, you want me to spill my heart out. I don't wanna do it through the world. Well, I can look you in
Speaker 1: the honest, say I'm not here to judge you, man.
Speaker 2: I know I don't wanna be taped on this. You want these things for good reasons and not for the Internet but not so I wanna do it for you and what you want and not the Internet. Let's do it. That's what I want.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you're not gonna post any
Speaker 2: of this if I do that?
Speaker 1: Only legally is Eric, listen. Listen to me. Legal the only reason I can't guarantee you something is because legally, I don't want you to cut back and bite my ass. Okay? That's the only reason.
Speaker 2: How would I bite your ass if you didn't post it just like I wanted you to not post it? What would I do to you? Well,
Speaker 1: you can always just go to somebody and say, oh, well, this big man threatened me and said he was gonna hurt me and this and that. Which is why, I wanted the cameras because I wanna prove that of course I'm not gonna do anything like that. But, Eric, I I'm I saw it in your eyes when you kinda mentioned that to me. Has you told anybody else this before that wasn't online? Like, have you told your wife this?
Or Yeah. You told your wife this? Okay. But it it how how did she react to it?
Speaker 2: I don't think she can understand Or she just knows it's something in me.
Speaker 3: Do you do
Speaker 1: you ever go, like, go into any type of detail about it or was it more just like, hey, I kinda like younger and she's like, stop, you know. No.
Speaker 2: I've been married for 25 years.
Speaker 1: Okay. I could piece that together then.
Speaker 2: Ben. So you know who you're married to after a while. Yeah. It can make sense. I mean, our anniversary is next month.
This month. Okay. March 20th. Okay.
Speaker 1: Does she know that you watched some of that younger stuff online? Or
Speaker 2: She knows that I look at something Okay. Which is usually just like the dancers, ballet, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But, for example, does she know what, like, a Megalink is?
Speaker 2: No. Because, I mean, that was just a new thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Like, I didn't ask for that. Mhmm. The guy just sent it. So Megalinds There's a guy Yeah. Sent it to me, a few days ago.
Speaker 1: Oh, so Megalix are that new for you?
Speaker 2: Well, I read everything. I look up it's my nature. I mean, I sell chemicals. I look everything up. I read everything about everything.
Speaker 1: I would hope you do if you sell chemicals.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I like to know but Where where were we going with this? Megalinks. Yeah. And he sent it to me.
Speaker 1: What app did he send it on?
Speaker 2: He sent me a link through, Instagram Messenger. So Instagram just allows that stuff or
Speaker 1: it allows that it allows, like, Megalinks on there? Yeah. I guess. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've had people send me pictures that I was like, you're gonna get don't send that. Yeah. No shit. Shut down. You know, I mean and then I look a week later, like, oh, Instagram users are blank.
I see. You You know what I mean? Yeah. A fantasy thing. I mean, it's just a fan.
It's always been a fantasy thing to me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: It's been just really recent that it's just fired up. I've never talked to anyone that had a kid Mhmm. That was doing anything like this Sure. Until just within the last couple of weeks. Okay.
You know, like the lady and the guy
Speaker 1: from Germany and then PA.
Speaker 2: Actually, okay. There was that was back a long, long time ago on Craigslist. What? Yeah. That was probably 15, 10 years ago or something.
Oh, the way back That was the only other time I wasn't trying to leave something out there that's way back in that in my mind.
Speaker 1: Yes. That
Speaker 2: that was an exception.
Speaker 1: What was the couple in PA advertising?
Speaker 3: And do
Speaker 1: you have another names? I'm not expecting to do that.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. That that's so long.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's fine.
Speaker 2: That's fair enough. In fact, I don't even have those email accounts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That that's fine.
Speaker 2: I had some trash Yahoo email account that I used to communicate on insta or on Craigslist Yeah. Yeah. To find couples, to have fun with. Oh, just adult couples. Yeah.
Maybe a little younger than me but
Speaker 1: Well, you're 52. I hope you're younger. Yeah. Well, I wasn't 52 then. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like forties even. In the young forties. Yeah. Sure. So and then I then I, got out an email from him.
This Indian guy.
Speaker 1: He was an Indian in PA?
Speaker 2: Yeah. He said he was a professor and then he moved from California to Pennsylvania. Really? To work for another university.
Speaker 1: Do you happen to know which one it could have been? It's driving. Man.
Speaker 2: I tell you. I don't think that exists. I mean,
Speaker 3: I
Speaker 2: I can't say. I mean, that's that's an awful long time.
Speaker 1: I get it. Well, so what was he trying to advertise to you though? Like, what
Speaker 2: was he looking for someone to come and have sex with his daughter. Really? How old was the daughter? I have sex. Okay.
Speaker 1: But it would those messages look kinda on
Speaker 3: but I was more of
Speaker 1: a morbidly curious if it
Speaker 2: on but I was more of a morbidly curious if they were actually doing that or living that lifestyle that he said. He didn't talk a whole lot. Okay. He didn't say much.
Speaker 1: And India not talking?
Speaker 3: You were
Speaker 1: sure about that? No. I'm sure. Okay.
Speaker 2: He sent a picture of a wife and a and a daughter. Could've been one of your colleagues that's doing the same thing as you do today.
Speaker 1: Oh, may maybe. I don't know. But, could've been. Sure. Yeah.
No. I guess I guess it could've been. I guess the guy in Germany is probably real though. That's definitely not somebody that
Speaker 2: we knew. Sounds real to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if he has a 20 k follower account, it's pretty,
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't I'm a pretty good reader of people. Obviously, not with you. But I've always considered myself a good reader people. You're a sales guy.
He rang true to me.
Speaker 1: The German and save the world, but, you know, steps can be taken for sure. Did the German dude send you any of his own material, like home produced stuff?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: What did he send you?
Speaker 2: He sent me pictures that I sent you and that's it.
Speaker 1: Of, like,
Speaker 2: The girls and the lingerie and stuff. Okay.
Speaker 1: So do you know who has sent you, like, some of the real stuff? Like, you said on mega links, who who sent that who who sent that mega link to you?
Speaker 2: It was a guy in England. Okay. In South England. Do you know do
Speaker 1: you have a name for him?
Speaker 2: I can look up. I don't remember his name on the page. I don't think he gave me his real name. You know, of course, I'm talking in a way that I'm gonna do something like I'm gonna go out to Germany or something. No.
I'm not doing that. Yeah. I started talking in a fluid way to a few of these people because it electrified me that, okay. Well, I've been in had this attraction thing for so long. Sure.
It's normal. Yeah. You told me it's normal. Mhmm. Guy out there tells me it's normal.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the thing in India just kinda planted the seeds for you 2 or they they They may have. I haven't
Speaker 2: talked to anyone since then.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And, you you you and others told me that it's a life changing experience and it's normal Mhmm. And, you know, a lot of people are doing it. Now maybe the German guy is, some agency or some kind of situation like that.
Speaker 1: Pretty bold. He had 20 k followers. I I'm I'm a good reader people too, and I'm telling you he's probably not.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. I gave you his link. So Yeah. You got his link.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so you know, the agencies, they can't like, so the guy in England was legit, like a legit one. Like, that can't be a real thing. Oh, no. Oh, no.
They can't be a real thing. The
Speaker 2: guy in England is is real.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Right.
For sure. Right. So that guy in England is probably someone that's, I think we could both agree that's probably not a good guy to be.
Speaker 2: He what's his deal? I think I think we deleted the the messages because he was big on sending these voice messages. Really? And I don't I don't
Speaker 1: like doing that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm sure. Recording yourself. On Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We did
Speaker 2: that a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Okay. And Where was I going
Speaker 2: with that? I part of my brain is like, I'm gonna get arrested. I'm gonna go to jail. I've got the company car here. I've got my company laptop, my company cell phone, my wife.
I'm not gonna get back home. Am I gonna get bond? So I'm trying I'm doing there's only so much that I am No. I'm under that situation.
Speaker 3: But
Speaker 1: I'm under the impression right now.
Speaker 2: Just give me. That's why I'm being
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty big thing that I'm kind of trying to swim through and navigate to be able to talk, you know, lucidly and
Speaker 1: and think back and coming out with memories and things like that. Yeah. And but the guy
Speaker 2: in England is definitely for real because he wouldn't have sent illegal material if he wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a big telltale sign, I think. Did he only send megalinks or did he send, like, regular pics and videos too? I think it was only mega Links. Okay.
Has anybody else sent you Mega Links within the past couple of months?
Speaker 2: No. Okay.
Speaker 1: So what's kinda so MEGA is new to me as it is to you, but, what's kind of the layout of MegaLink like?
Speaker 2: All I can tell you is what I have seen. Yeah. I guess you're And that's very little.
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fine.
Speaker 2: He sends a link. I click on the link. Mhmm. It goes right to your browser, opens that file and there they all
Speaker 1: are. They all are.
Speaker 2: So how many Whatever he sent in that file.
Speaker 1: How many would he send? So how many files did he send? Or I
Speaker 2: think there's one that was, like, 45 files and another one that was 20 or something. Okay. Something like that. Less than that.
Speaker 1: Man, Eric, we come across people who have tens of 1,000, dude. Like, I'm telling you, man, on the totem pole, like, if I didn't think if I didn't think you could get off the totem pole, I don't think I'd be talking to you. You're still dead. I wouldn't I wouldn't say that, dude.
Speaker 2: I I am.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, what what what were the age range of this guy put on these mega legs?
Speaker 2: Yeah. All young. Very young.
Speaker 1: So we're not talking like 16 with tits out. There's a few. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's few that are very young.
Speaker 1: What's very young?
Speaker 2: 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 or something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay. Anything like infants, toddlers?
Speaker 2: I didn't look at them all.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Okay. No. I mean, not even Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you only know what's happened. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 2: Right. I mean, I've been busy so
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Were these, pics videos or both? There there was pics in there
Speaker 2: Okay. And videos.
Speaker 1: What were what would the video be like? Like I mean, I think I know but, like, what specifically is he putting in there?
Speaker 2: So this MegaLink, this is all new to you?
Speaker 1: I mean, Telegram is not TeleGuard is in MegaLink. MegaLink's I've heard before, but it's not like I mean, Telegram, I get run into people
Speaker 2: with tens of 1,000, but you've not heard about or know about Mega?
Speaker 1: MegaLink's pretty relatively new. So so Telagord, I truly knew nothing about. MegaLink's, I kind of know, like, kind of you describe it, you open it, it's more than 1. Always 1.
Speaker 2: I mean, I even told you before I knew what you were doing that I read about everything.
Speaker 1: Yes. So, I'm not gonna say I read about Megalinks. I don't know. I haven't. But what so what what would have kinda happened in the videos that you would post from there?
Like, are these more of, like, solo dudes or adult and kids?
Speaker 2: I didn't get much of a chance.
Speaker 1: Because Well, the few that
Speaker 3: you saw on it's
Speaker 2: There there was some solo. I'm gonna take my watch off You're good. Before I get the
Speaker 3: handcuffs. Oh, man.
Speaker 2: There was a woman in a in a kid. K.
Speaker 1: How old was the kid a boy or girl? Girl. What was she doing? Oral sex. How the girl look?
How the girl look?
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't watched very long. Yeah. You're I'm not saying Yeah. I mean, just really
Speaker 1: Like, you're really young. Quite young. $1,000,000 question. If, you know, you're at a carnival, you gotta get the age 7. 7.
Okay. Got it. You're not actually getting a $1,000,000 for answering that no disclosure. But, you know, you're you're you're a you're a words guys. Oh, you know, just putting that out there.
But okay. Got it.
Speaker 3: So
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No. I don't I don't I'm not here to rub anything in or embarrass you, so I'm not gonna go read through all these. And, you know, you're forthcoming and I appreciate that's that's takes a man's step up.
I appreciate that, man. You said at one point there was, you said at one point so this is a new phenomenon to me too. You said you've run across with people sending videos of infants and toddlers, a few times. That was somewhere in the messages.
Speaker 2: There was, some Instagram pages because, you know, you look at dancers and younger younger and then the swimsuit and like model pages. Some of them are semi legit. Some are definitely legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it just gets a little sexier or whatever you wanna call it. Right. Right. A little skin pure.
If it's a little more of this, a little more of that. Mhmm. Oh, you know, because, you know, Instagram's feeding that to you. I mean, you you look at this kind of page and then all of a sudden the suggestions are a degree or some worse.
Speaker 1: I definitely don't agree. I I, like, I agree with what I agree with what you're saying. I don't agree. Instagram does that.
Speaker 2: They can say, well, you're only getting those prevent suggestions because you search certain things. Well, not even it it was progressively work. I mean, it's sending you all of it. It's sending you everything.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: There was, about a year ago or 8 months ago, several pages on Instagram that literally had child pornography out.
Speaker 1: Like posted?
Speaker 2: Yeah. How in the They I go to a website that might had a picture of a girl on it or something. Yeah. That's right. Not Not naked but, you
Speaker 1: know, something
Speaker 2: it was unique to tell it's not a good it's a naughty website.
Speaker 1: It was aroused. You go
Speaker 2: to it and then all the video, you know, on that main page on the videos, I mean, all the posts and the symbol says it's a video look like a screen, fuzzy TV. Like if the TV doesn't have signals
Speaker 1: on the fuzz.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like. Uh-huh. And then when you opened it, that fuzz stayed on for a certain amount of time. And then it was literal child pornography.
Speaker 1: Like, now that's a pretty clever way to mask it, I must admit. What do you
Speaker 2: mean by literal child pornography? It's like Guys penetrating children Okay. And all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: How how how young would those go?
Speaker 2: Those were all Like, they were young.
Speaker 1: Even infants?
Speaker 2: Not quite. Maybe some maybe 7, 8. Okay. Maybe maybe not. You know, we're not it's been a while.
Yeah. There was a few of those. You know, eventually they disappeared. Of course. Because yeah.
I because I hadn't seen anymore and I wasn't going to them that I think regularly but I ran into a few because if you looked at it once, it's already in your search. You gotta search for something or you go to look at your history or likes that just keeps coming up. You keep seeing it in the results. Yeah. Yeah.
So you're like, oh, that website's still there. You go to it, you know, you have this shit, they disappear.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I check I check one football post on Instagram. Next thing you know, they think I'm the biggest NFL fan in the world. It's I I know what you mean, man.
So what about, you know, because obviously there's steps to it and there's dipping your toes in the water with, you know, the bikini pics on Instagram and stuff like that. And there's going further and further. And again, Eric, I'm not judging you. At one point, you said on your laptop, like, you went on a cruise or something and you wiped your laptop at one point that had quite a few. What was kinda that deal?
Speaker 2: I had the app, a similar situation.
Speaker 1: App on your laptop?
Speaker 2: No. No. Not on my laptop. I had nothing on my laptop.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
Speaker 2: It's all business. Okay. I have a lot of phones. But again, someone sends some mega links. So I had it hit had the mega app and they were sitting in there.
But I don't have any I don't keep contact Yeah. With whoever that was. That's fair.
Speaker 1: How long ago was that? What gives Probably a couple of
Speaker 2: months or something.
Speaker 1: That's when you were on the cruise?
Speaker 2: No. We were we were on the cruise about a month ago. So it'd be a few months prior to that.
Speaker 1: Okay. How did it get to a point? Because you said here you collected 8,000 images, videos. How did it get to 8,000 relatively quick?
Speaker 2: Because the guy sent this mega link and I clicked on 1 Mhmm. And it went right to the URL, URL, right to the mega URL page. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And there was 4,700 videos in one.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. And then another one had 2,000.
Speaker 1: And there it is.
Speaker 2: Okay. Literally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you need the mega app app to open a mega link?
Speaker 2: No. I'm saying there was no app when I got them originally.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: It just went from you you tap it in the messenger
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Where you can copy and
Speaker 2: paste the link and tap it.
Speaker 1: Whatever whatever you do, you tap it.
Speaker 2: It automatically opens your browser and there it is.
Speaker 1: So this mofo do you ever know what country that guy could've been from?
Speaker 2: I gotta do some thinking.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, we
Speaker 1: I gotta do some thinking. Let's start with this. Was he American or not American? He was American because
Speaker 2: I haven't been really talking to non Americans because Okay.
Speaker 1: So he so what the fuck? So how
Speaker 2: many think let me I got a lot in my hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. No. Yeah. Yeah.
You're good.
Speaker 2: The guy that sent the big, big, big ones. You know, all I did is delete the app. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Wasn't anything It's
Speaker 2: still in there. They gotta still be in Mega. Mega website.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm so I'm con
Speaker 2: I'm confused. Really erase any videos.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So so theoretically, that would still be in your search history at some point?
Speaker 2: I would I would think it would show up in my browser history. That makes sense. I don't even know how to find browser history on on my on my phone I tried the other day.
Speaker 1: So good with but
Speaker 2: what but you said you just got that phone though.
Speaker 1: Was it another phone we're talking or
Speaker 2: I had 2 phones.
Speaker 1: Where's the other one at?
Speaker 2: It doesn't have anything on it. It's over there. Okay.
Speaker 1: So that's the okay. Let's see. Got it, man. What were the age ranges on the Megalink that that or the Megalinks, I should say, he sent that dude?
Speaker 2: He's a big one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If he's American
Speaker 2: then sure. There is everything on there.
Speaker 1: So we're talking babies on that one?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I'm I haven't never saw them obviously. I know. I know. It's gonna change me while I scratch my brain to figure out who that was.
Who that was? It says some sort of blank. Yeah. Like, what kind of conversation I was having when I got those.
Speaker 1: Well, was it on this Instagram account though? Or did or yeah. I guess where'd you where'd you meet that guy?
Speaker 2: I think it was Instagram.
Speaker 1: Would he be following you by chance? Or
Speaker 2: No. Okay. Because this is a fairly new account. I don't think it was with this account. And I don't let a lot of people follow me.
Mhmm. I mean, I have, like, like, 300 outstanding and that's not that old of an account. It's only a couple months old, this account.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I've got, like, 300 requests. I only have, like, 57 people or something or 65 people that I accepted the request.
Speaker 1: Why do you, keep it so why do you keep Club Eric so exclusive?
Speaker 2: I don't like too many people. I don't know. And I don't want them messaging me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't
Speaker 2: want them I I don't know. I I don't know. I don't want them it's under their business or you know, as soon as I see the pictures I have
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: Then I get bombarded. Then I get bombarded. I get all kinds of messages from all kinds of people in from India, from US, all of this and then you know what they're gonna ask is if you have any pictures or videos. They pretend they just wanna talk about the fantasy and then here it goes and then no, I don't. And Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then
Speaker 2: they they disappear or unfollow you or whatever Sure. If they were following you.
Speaker 1: Makes sense. So how many times have, has it been a back and forth? Because I know somebody send in a big old mega link with 47100. They they gotta be getting something in return.
Speaker 2: How
Speaker 1: many times
Speaker 2: do you think you do? I would think. I mean, I didn't send this guy in England anything.
Speaker 1: How many people are you sending stuff to?
Speaker 2: No one.
Speaker 1: No one?
Speaker 2: I mean, I the guy sent it because I sent him just pictures and Instagram posts of dancers that were wearing Scampling Plaid or Oh, even the designs. Yeah. I mean, the parents post some of these with songs that are saying sexy. And they're like 11. And then they're getting shiny outfits that look like Fonda Jo.
There is all kinds of things like that. So I was sending him some of those forward right now. Okay. And then he he, just sent sent sent them backlinks. Okay.
Speaker 1: So so the reason why I keep asking about the babies is because, you know, I'm not saying the agent consent should be, like, 10 or 9 or anything, but at least they're capable of understanding and saying no. You know what I mean? Even if they can't comprehend, they can still say no. Babies, it's just I'm sure you agree. Yeah.
The total tourist, total distro. Yeah. So I'm just so I I I know you can look at 47100 videos. I I get I get that. But out of the ones that you saw, how many popped up with, like, babies on there?
Best guess.
Speaker 2: There's probably I mean, I could say of the 47100 videos I may have watched, looked at probably quite a few because summer's quick. Mhmm. But I ran across 10 at least. With infants? Yeah.
Or toddlers.
Speaker 1: Okay. What was kinda happening to the babies in those videos?
Speaker 2: They were getting their variety of things and everything you can imagine. So penetration? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: What about, like, rape? Like, did it look rape? Well Well, I guess you cannot rape.
Speaker 3: Right? There's no
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no was no I mean, there's every degree from all out brutal rape and to complete consent. I wish they can't give consent but I didn't see any being beaten or blood or anything like that.
Speaker 1: What's the most severe that you think you've seen that if it wasn't beating your blood? Which I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'm
Speaker 2: just asking. There's a couple that were were, like, probably 1 or not even 1. You know, babies, basically.
Speaker 1: Like like newborn type type?
Speaker 2: No. Not not newborn. But
Speaker 1: But, like, crawling still?
Speaker 2: Maybe walking. Okay. But bad, you know. To me, it's babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like, she would to 2 somewhere in their lip.
Speaker 1: Diaper wearing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Okay. That's fair. So, I mean, I'm just gonna ask
Speaker 2: you weren't mine. But
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I understand.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna ask you straight up. What was what were you hoping would happen today?
Speaker 2: I wanted to meet a new friend. Mhmm. That being you. I'm yeah. I I understand.
I mean, I said that in there. But
Speaker 1: But, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm talking about with, Ariel. Like, what were you hoping
Speaker 2: Well, I I to talk to some people finally that have those thoughts that I do is kind of electrifying Mhmm. To to to be able to have someone that understands me.
Speaker 1: Well, even though we're in this situation, I'm I'm still not judging you and I'm trust me. If there's anybody to to talk to, like, I'm I'm telling you, because a lot of people my size, they would probably handle hearing a lot of this differently. But, you know, in the end, I think me and you both just want to stop. Right? So so it's not like, you know, there's a lot of ways you could stop, and I'm cool with the most harm free way.
I'm I totally am, and that's why I'm I'm willing to hear all this. And I do understand because it felt like, you know, it felt like you just woke up and we're like, wow. I just you know, it's a gradual thing and I don't think the Internet doesn't even pay any favors. But I
Speaker 2: had this long before the Internet. Fair 171. So I started realizing it when I was, you know, 10 or something like that. So I'm barely out of the seventies.
Speaker 1: God, I just hope that my hairline can at least be that when I'm fucking that age.
Speaker 2: My life's over tonight.
Speaker 1: I said my hairline.
Speaker 2: No. But my life's over tonight. I appreciate you saying that. I'm just trying to process
Speaker 1: this. I get it. I mean, my whole life is I get it, but, you know, there's there's going down with dignity and all I could say is, like, all all I could say is that if there was a way to handle this with more grace and respect that you than you are, that would be news to me. Okay? Because there's a few maybe there's a few people who have handled like you, but there's few people who would just say, fuck you.
Fuck you. Just go down looking like a piece of shit. And, you know, you're you're if if that's the route it's going, if you're gonna go down, go down as somebody who's willing to take that step up. You know what I mean? Go down as well to someone and and I think you are.
I I really think you are. Can I talk
Speaker 2: to my wife if he'll supervise the phone?
Speaker 1: You could do that no matter what, but I'm just saying, like
Speaker 2: I just want
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't want you to tell him. If if he's that. But then you might have to Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like, if he post it all and stuff for
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you don't mind you know, obviously, I can't control what you do with your phone. It's all voluntary. But You
Speaker 2: took it from me. I wanna give
Speaker 3: it back.
Speaker 2: Well I asked for it back.
Speaker 1: Cool. I don't have to give it back. I just can't prevent you from getting it. But, yes, I'll get you your phone right away.
Speaker 2: Was in her hands but
Speaker 1: I just wanna call her.
Speaker 2: If I could. I'm not done talking.
Speaker 3: I just wanna
Speaker 2: let her know while I have a chance. I don't know when
Speaker 1: this Do you do you mind just using my phone to call her? If you don't mind. I I think it it it it makes me more comfortable that, you know, I I trust you're not gonna tamper, but I'm telling you, like, tampering is like I'm
Speaker 2: not planning on tampering. Okay.
Speaker 1: Can I supervise then?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want it on speaker.
Speaker 1: Oh, no. That's fine. I don't care about that. I'd I'd rather just, like, see that you're not, deleting anything, if you don't mind.
Speaker 2: You left that camera button right now. It means the recording. Why would you leave it like that on the couch? You wouldn't move
Speaker 1: it. Well, I don't want my camera on the floor.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a bad place for a camera.
Speaker 1: Do you want a car? It looks like a good car. I'm just wondering why you said that and
Speaker 2: then you would leave a camera on the precariously. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay. To fall.
Speaker 3: Do you
Speaker 1: wanna call her in
Speaker 3: the bath?
Speaker 2: Think you were calling
Speaker 1: recording Do you wanna call her in the bathroom? Would that make you more comfortable? Yeah. K. Do you mind if I come with you to the bathroom?
Speaker 2: No. I figured that you would.
Speaker 1: Okay. Like, you can you can tell me go fuck myself but I haven't been that kinda guy. No. No.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah. I'm I'm just getting prepared for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: so this has been recording.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm protecting my ass the whole time.
Speaker 2: You guys.
Speaker 1: Eric, you gotta understand, Eric. Just be just because I'm protecting myself doesn't mean that it's not protecting you, doesn't mean that anything changes. You know what I mean? Eric, I obviously, at this point do you think I don't care about you as a person at this point? I care about you as much I possibly can.
You know what I mean? We're strangers, and the first thing we're talking about is child pornography. Eric, I think you should count your lucky stars that
Speaker 2: I would not have been talking about that as strangers if you didn't have a profile on there that looked like that and Yep. Confirmed that it was that.
Speaker 1: But yes. But it's not like I would have kind
Speaker 2: of a conversation Yes. With a
Speaker 1: stranger and steer it or anything like that. But but you can't entrap somebody sending you Megalinks. You can entrap being curious about children. That's not something you can entrap. None of this here, you know, you can't you can't entrap going to some link that some other bozo sent you.
I don't even know. Yeah. That's not that's not you see how it's a coincidence that when we put that out that this is that this happens. It's not well, it's not a coincidence. But regardless, I think we should probably just go to the bathroom.
Okay. I I might as well better. Okay. Now do a camera. Just,
Speaker 2: Hey. Who's around you right now? Are you on the porch? Where after a while they revealed that they were sworn authority
Speaker 3: We're
Speaker 2: still in the hotel room. Okay?
Speaker 1: No. Because I have my car here and
Speaker 2: I don't know what they how they will be able to get. You don't need to have them currently right now, but, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's safe.
Speaker 2: At least I'll be harassing I I shared some information with them. They alluded to
Speaker 3: some information
Speaker 2: with him, but that's where I'm at right now. So they're like, we call you supervised even though I'm not legally under arrest or detained. But
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Alright. I'm gonna wrap this up. The bat bust in the sand falls, but I was recorded saying I did something that my daughter before I realized what they were
Speaker 3: that
Speaker 2: I would never ever have done this. So if you can't prove that, then they're all submitted.
Speaker 1: Can I put my phone with the other one? I mean
Speaker 2: With the other one. If I go to jail, what do they do with all my stuff?
Speaker 1: So they would put it into Well, airplane mode, that just set accountability to do that anyway. Do you mind if you go from putting it there in airplane mode? They just want them together. Yeah. If you don't mind.
Speaker 3: Just I
Speaker 1: can take it over there? Yeah. Okay. And what are the, real quick, what are what are the what are the passcodes to the phones?
Speaker 2: I gotta show you. Okay. Because it's reflexive and I can't remember the code.
Speaker 1: I just don't view the answering phones if you don't mind.
Speaker 3: 288
Speaker 2: 68. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wrong. There you go. I am this is
Speaker 1: It's fine tonight. Look. You're fine. Is the same code for each? Yeah.
Okay.
Speaker 2: 2
Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah. So there was an airplane mode. Alright. Okay.
Yeah. You're good. Alright. Cool. Alright.
Speaker 2: This is a active demo.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's something that they would have
Speaker 3: to send out.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's not my shot at all.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I think they can probably set it in the back. You don't have anything on the, customer on the, you don't have anything on the, what you wanna call that phone?
Speaker 2: Oh, my laptop. My laptop.
Speaker 1: Do you have
Speaker 3: anything on my phone? What do
Speaker 2: you mean anything on it?
Speaker 1: Any, like, CPU or anything on the phone? Oh, no. Okay. Okay. Anything on the company phone?
Nothing. I would assume they would probably return those then.
Speaker 2: And that has multiple passwords. Log ins to the laptop. It's company property. Got you.
Speaker 1: Alright. So there are some there are some other things I just wanna go over. If you don't mind. So here, I wanted to point this message here. I would love to undress her and touch
Speaker 2: her gently. I would love
Speaker 1: to taste her, let her play with me at her leisure. She will probably really like my piece. By piece, do you mean penis? I mean, pretend I pretend I went to Catholics.
Speaker 2: No. Because I answered your question. You said, what do you want me to do with it? What am I gonna say? Well, We're already in that dialogue.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna say nothing,
Speaker 2: but I like to see if I can get 3 dinners on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, obviously but, you know, obviously, like, if it's, obviously, if this has been a fantasy for a long time and, you know, you got porn brain from all of this, I what I'm trying to figure out at this point I'm not here to argue with you on whether anything whether you want anything to happen or not because obviously, dude, you don't get a hotel room to not get your
Speaker 2: dick wet. That's just Well, I've staying in Indiana for 23 years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I get it.
Speaker 2: But I I I have a hotel out here every few weeks.
Speaker 1: Okay. Every month. Right. But you don't invite females over to
Speaker 2: Your premise was the hotel and
Speaker 3: I
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. Yeah. The fact is I would.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's fine. Well, I'm just saying you don't you don't invite females over to a hotel room and, you know, talk the talk with them to not have anything. Okay. Okay.
Well If they're adult females. Yes. Well, that's obviously not the case today because
Speaker 2: Right. It's a different thing. It doesn't Yes. It's not the same as having a 26
Speaker 3: year old come over.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's different. Yeah. Yeah. I'm well prepared for that. Right.
And
Speaker 1: Well that's not well, I just, you know, I'm just here to figure out because, you know, you gave me a good insight into how Instagram can get you carried away with shit. So I'm talking about today what's what's the farthest thing you were hoping would happen? Like, say everything goes to plan, say, are is comfortable with whatever you're comfortable with, like, what's the farthest you wanted to take? I
Speaker 2: was extremely nervous about even being here.
Speaker 1: I understand. I don't even know it's over, but there's nervousness, excitement. Well, the nervousness comes from, of course, situation. But, Eric, we've been so open and transparent
Speaker 2: about I was wanting to see what you guys were doing and what you said you had done with it.
Speaker 1: Okay. And if everything we said was accurate, like, that was the case, what did you in that what were you hoping you would wanna do at that point? I'm just curious. I'm not judging you, but, obviously, if we come this far
Speaker 2: evidence. It's evidence.
Speaker 1: I mean
Speaker 2: Of course. But I I want I wanted just some physical touching like intimacy. Like, all just hugging and stuff. I mean, I have cuddles. I talk about cuddles all the time.
Okay. And it's creepy. I get it. But I've got countless messages like
Speaker 1: we're not countless. We're talking about cuddles and stuff.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. So
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm gonna give you credit. I don't think you wanted to choke out a 9 year old and just go tear her up. I don't think that's Well,
Speaker 2: I've never touched a 9 year old. Right. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't think that I don't think that was your Right.
Speaker 3: I don't
Speaker 2: think the thing is Yes. You got me on the first try.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I've made anyone, and no one's ever gonna believe that.
Speaker 1: Well, okay. I I get that. Well, I don't think your plan today was to just completely ram Ariel and to just physically hurt her. I don't think that was your plan at all, But I'm also not naive. When you have a fantasy for well, I've been alive for years.
I have a fantasy for 40 years. But if you have fantasy for a long period of time, whether that's me hoping to try this food place in Pittsburgh or for I don't know how long or whatever, when you get to that point, you know, you're gonna do it. You know, I could say I wanna eat 10 plates of steak. Wow.
Speaker 3: Then I
Speaker 1: get to the plate and I only eat, like, 3.
Speaker 2: This is that's legal things. And then there's extremely
Speaker 1: illegal things that are wrong.
Speaker 2: Yes. So I don't think that pizza
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Or a dinner or a trip would be
Speaker 1: the answer to that. Well, for sure. But, you know, there's something there. I mean, you have hooked up with couples before. Right?
Speaker 2: Okay. I I have and that's not illegal.
Speaker 1: Right. So you mentioned that, one of the girls was 16.
Speaker 2: She told me she was 18. Right. And then And if it wasn't 10 years ago, I'd have I'd be able to show you that. Right.
Speaker 1: But how old was she actually?
Speaker 2: I was told by him later Mhmm. That she was 16.
Speaker 1: Right. And you said that was that is a legal age in Ohio. 16. But you said you were very bummed that you actually did not break the law. Like, you you communicated to us and that wasn't us making you say that.
You communicated to us that you were bummed that it wasn't a legal
Speaker 2: act. Having a conversation Mhmm. Like that with someone like that guy Mhmm. Which isn't you, but
Speaker 1: it's whatever
Speaker 3: persona you're
Speaker 2: portraying. Mhmm. You know, say whatever you can.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So I'm not I can't go up to that for every little sentence Yeah. And and have to try and prove it's genuineness or not genuineness.
Speaker 1: No. A 100%. Jeez. I'm gonna ask you about the 16
Speaker 3: year old.
Speaker 1: I'm just bringing that up that I'll just bring that up in as example that it's not just, you you know, the the leave the legal boundaries are in your line. At least they're not as of the past 52 years after they today, I'm sure they will be.
Speaker 2: I thought they were she was 18.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. No. No.
I get it. 16 is legal in Ohio anyway. I'm not talking about the Ohio couple. I'm just saying if you're already coming here with CP and, you know, you've watched some videos, had some
Speaker 2: fans coming here with
Speaker 1: CPE. Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean,
Speaker 1: Eric. Eric. If you if you've come here
Speaker 2: if you've come here with possessing child born Well, it's not on my device. I've already told you Okay. The best thing I can tell you.
Speaker 1: Eric, it's it's on the app. Okay? I'm not, you know or basically, if you've come here knowing that you've watched some of the stuff before and kinda having this fantasy, okay, whether it's on an app or on your phone, it doesn't really you know, that's not
Speaker 2: what I'm arguing with you.
Speaker 1: The point is, like, it's ex it's it's accessible. It's accessible right now. I don't think that your limit today would have just been
Speaker 2: cuddling with Ariel. I I never met anyone before that was underage.
Speaker 1: I agree. I I believe that. That that I do actually don't
Speaker 2: You're trying to to get me to say that I was planning on doing something. That's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not trying to get you to say you're planning on doing something. We do already know part. That's the part. Well, that's the part that that's the part I'm not gonna argue with you about. The part about planning on doing something.
Speaker 3: I'm not
Speaker 2: even sure what we're navigating.
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm trying to navigate is how far it could have gone. Because I'm not because I don't
Speaker 2: have any answer.
Speaker 1: Well, cut that's just bullshit. Cuddling obviously isn't the end all be all too. And that's, I mean, that's just a disservice to me. It's a disservice to you. It could be.
Speaker 2: I like couples. You're a couple. Mhmm. I mean, I was interested in your wife.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I mean So interested in which way in the wife?
Speaker 2: Having sex with her.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's something is that something you wanted to do, have sex
Speaker 3: with the wife?
Speaker 2: I was planning and hoping to because he said I could. Yeah. Okay. I mean, there's an answer to something. There's I'm just being honest there.
Speaker 3: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: That's what you were asking. You were asking how could it be anything other than this? And I'm telling you it could easily be something other than that.
Speaker 1: Okay. So here you say I haven't had any kind of sex in one and a half years. Mhmm. She
Speaker 2: has We're in a sexless marriage. Right? I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: But on the phone, you told me some things like, you know, get her comfortable. You told me some stuff you wanna do with the Internet. You wanted
Speaker 2: to learn more about the Internet. Now if it's just an interrogation, let let's get it so I can get because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go
Speaker 2: through it again.
Speaker 1: Police department.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, this is And I don't want it all this is gonna
Speaker 1: go online anyway. So Well, this is this is this is for my peace of mind right now. You know, you talk about the, the ballerinas that you have, like, a do you have, like, a kid that age with a ballerina thing?
Speaker 2: I I told you I was on a show and I told you I'd never done anything with them and creeped on them or anything. Right.
Speaker 3: But it's
Speaker 2: been there. But you
Speaker 1: know, I know. But you What about it? You said if only they knew the dirtiest fantasies I have about them. Pulling their tights off and licking and kissing and eating them.
Speaker 2: Fantasies. And you obviously know I have fantasies Mhmm. Already. I don't know what you're trying to do to me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So You you said you're not here just to punish me, but that's what
Speaker 1: that's what we're Well, no. This is this is accountability right now. No. No. I'm I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't get to bake into the cake more than what is there. Okay?
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, you You don't like
Speaker 2: the answers I'm giving you.
Speaker 1: Well, I just like the truth, Eric. That's all.
Speaker 2: And and when I tell you the truth and you keep asking me, like, I tell you something about the ballet ballerinas
Speaker 3: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: And then you go back to these and I've already told you that how else am I gonna talk on on a conversation.
Speaker 1: So so what you're so Eric, so what what I'm saying is if you have fans and I'm sure you've done with ballerinas. Ballerinas, what I'm saying is that if these are ages you lust after and there's a 9 year old here telling me that it was only gonna be cuddles is just an utter load of just not true. Attracted.
Speaker 2: I have some kind of attraction to it. I don't have a lust
Speaker 1: for lust. So that is probably the separator to me between forced stuff and consensual stuff. So you mentioned kinda entering her gently. Yeah. You mentioned
Speaker 3: her
Speaker 1: sucking on your piece as you like to call it. What I'm trying to figure out is I'm trying to figure out the extent of that because there's a lot of ways that could happen. You know, like I said, standing in standing in the middle of the desert is a million ways you could get there. I'm trying to figure out if what you envisioned in your mind was her just doing it. But we
Speaker 2: you I hope you have this regard. We've already been through this. I told you that. Mhmm. I told you the answer that.
Okay. I'm looking for friends. I have no friends. I'm lonely. Okay?
I was looking forward to making friends with you. I told you that. And I was looking forward to having some fun with your wife.
Speaker 1: Okay. You mentioned the wife minimally and you mentioned the daughter in almost every conversation.
Speaker 2: How do I have the conversation? Like, how what how would I answer you in this kind of dialogue when you're on that kind of dialogue already?
Speaker 1: The first message you sent you sent the profile was, I'm interested in your family play lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Oh, it is interesting. I wasn't I didn't wanted to know what it was.
Speaker 1: Well, you knew what it was.
Speaker 2: I didn't. No. I didn't. Sure you did.
Speaker 1: No. You've talked to the guy in Pennsylvania. Not I didn't know. Germany guy. I'm interested in your family lifestyle.
Eric, what does we film pizza parties mean to you? You know that's on the profile. Right?
Speaker 2: I do not have anything like that on my profile.
Speaker 1: But you know that's in our profile. Right?
Speaker 2: That's on your profile. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: Where do you think we got the whole family thing from? Where where do you think you
Speaker 2: got the whole family? Really throwing me. Right?
Speaker 1: Where do you think you got the whole family thing from? That's popping to your mind and you just magically think the profile is about family stuff without any indication it was?
Speaker 2: Well, you're you're already a father. You're already an adult. And and then you you were married.
Speaker 1: What's the name of our profile called?
Speaker 2: Daddy loves daughter.
Speaker 1: Okay. So what would that have to do with the wife? You're a smart guy. Do do do you think
Speaker 2: that daddy would have the wife's gonna be there.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Do but do you do you think that daddy loves daughter?
Speaker 2: I would think the wife would be involved and potentially with
Speaker 1: me too. Oh, it's like but your intention was it to hopefully try to get my wife.
Speaker 2: I was hoping to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That that was that that was not the first intention, Eric.
Speaker 2: You're doing what you said you want. I guess Okay. I just
Speaker 1: Well, Eric, I'm asking. I just want you to be honest with me about this. Okay? So like I said, I'm gonna read through all these. I'm not here to put you, like, embarrass you, put you on blast, any of that shit.
I just wanna know because look, I'm a give you credit. I don't think you would hurt this girl or anything like that, but also I'm a guy too. Okay? And I've gone a year without sex before. Okay?
I know what it's like. Alright? But I was hoping
Speaker 2: nothing would happen with her and it would be with your wife. But it kinda turned me on to have her in there. And I wanted to see what you were gonna
Speaker 1: do with her. In what way would it turn you on to have her in there? Just curious. No judging.
Speaker 2: I already said I have some attraction to to minors, and I've never imagined that people are, you know, in this last time period, talk to the people that are actually doing that. So with some of it's normal
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And saying it's life changing experience, I
Speaker 1: do you think if I were to theoretically, if you were to see me doing stuff to the daughter, do you think you could have joined in and been curious about it?
Speaker 2: I think if you were I would have really been upset if you had done it. And I could see that it was really not good for like she was crying and you were
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Hurting her beyond what you told me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Her painful and Right.
Speaker 1: But but if it looks like but if you if you think she wouldn't have had any pain, like, if you if you were very confident that she wouldn't have, like, been physically hurt or have been crying, do you think what do you what do you think are some of the things that could have happened? That's what I'm I'm asking. I I'm already under the assumption and the knowledge that you would not have heard this girl. That is something I could put my right hand up and say, I'm confident you wouldn't have heard her. Heard her.
That's something I'll give you a 100% credit for.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine doing that to a girl her age.
Speaker 1: Doing what?
Speaker 2: Actually, having sex with her.
Speaker 1: Okay. So what do you think could have happened then if it wasn't intercourse?
Speaker 2: I was very nervous to see you guys doing it. Very nervous about it.
Speaker 1: What did you wanna do then? If it wasn't an interview I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine doing that Okay. To a to a young girl. I mean, I fantasize about it but in reality
Speaker 1: What about just what if Sounds. What about just I
Speaker 2: I'm too I'm an empathetic guy.
Speaker 1: What about just nonsexual? No ordination, non intercourse like, you know, a blow job or licking, stuff like that. Just be honest. No. Alright.
Well, you're not being honest with me. That's fine. I mean, that I mean, that's just I mean, you were so open about some things. You were open about that. You've had this fantasy for a while.
Speaker 2: You're getting upset with me.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course.
Speaker 2: Starting to yell. Because I told you
Speaker 1: what I'm willing to do
Speaker 2: and not willing to do it. At first, you're okay with it. Yeah. Yeah. You're not Well, Eric, I wanna Eric, Eric, Eric, now you're getting just be mad at me.
Speaker 1: Eric, Eric, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: through all of this at this point.
Speaker 1: All I'm interested in right now is the truth. Then I've already told you. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Then I'm not then we don't have
Speaker 1: You don't I'm not I'm not I'm not interested in any type of I'm not interested in anything else but the truth, Barrick. I'm not. So we've talked
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: We've shared quite a bit. So
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're coming here talking about what you've done to your daughter already, and I was in the messages, and you're gonna tell me that you wanted to just have the daughter there while you were doing stuff to the wife. I mean I've
Speaker 2: never done anything with my daughter. And I mean, you you you can interview her. Oh, we will. You can. We will.
Yeah. You can. We will. No. I'm saying.
I'm you I was already talking in a in
Speaker 1: a Yeah. I was going No. We will.
Speaker 2: I don't need you to say that. I'm saying that was part of my sentence. Yeah. It wasn't just giving you permission to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was saying that if
Speaker 3: you interview her, you you can obviously and and find out if nothing's happened.
Speaker 2: No. Okay. We will. Yeah. We'll make sure it's all covered.
Speaker 1: No. Okay. We will.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We'll make sure it's all covered. That's good. Okay. That's I appreciate that.
Good. Because I have never done anything with it. Okay. And you're mad about that that because you think I
Speaker 1: am not mad about it. You seem mad. I'm not accusing you of doing anything with your daughter. That's just words you put on the paper.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? And I answered you why
Speaker 3: it was
Speaker 2: I answered you why I would say that. Mhmm. We've gone we've dug into that. I and to to continue to ring me out on that is
Speaker 1: I'm not asking about the daughter. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: We were just talking about the daughter.
Speaker 1: Sure. But I'm just saying the messages don't say daughter this, daughter that. Talking to a dad or daughter account. But you're not coming here to do anything to the 9 year old. That's just that just doesn't compute.
That doesn't look good to anybody.
Speaker 2: I've never done anything like this before. Okay.
Speaker 1: Right. How
Speaker 2: am I gonna cancel now? Your your wife's making dinner?
Speaker 1: Oh, so dinner makes Oh, no. So so dinner makes you wanna come here and have sex with the whole family?
Speaker 2: No. There's a lot.
Speaker 1: There's a lot.
Speaker 2: You know? You're incredibly polite, well spoken.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Nice person.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: You understand me. It seems like Yeah. You're you're friendly people. Yeah. You're like good people.
Speaker 1: And just really nice people. Absolutely. And I think that's, I don't Eric, I don't think you just came here for only sexual pleasure. That's something I don't think. Alright?
I think that it was a combination of wanting to like, I think if today went well, we'd a 100% be in touch again. 100%. I think that, you know, if this was all sunshine and rainbows, I a 100% believe that, you know, you had every intention.
Speaker 2: Some appointments to cancel for tomorrow. I need to do that, but I am out in Indiana for sales travel. It's on the company itinerary.
Speaker 1: Did you did you put that down that you were there for sales travel?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's on the it's at Africa. Okay.
Speaker 1: How would you go about canceling that?
Speaker 2: It's the loudest vibration I've ever had in my life. Alright, guys. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: How do how do you how do you cancel your appointment?
Speaker 2: Email. You wanna log into
Speaker 1: your email with them?
Speaker 2: Oh, your computer? I can do it tomorrow.
Speaker 3: K.
Speaker 1: Do you
Speaker 2: wanna do it on your computer right now or No. I can't think straight right now.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Would you mind if I got another a water? Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: you want me to get
Speaker 3: you one?
Speaker 1: No. You don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just didn't There's not a lot of space here to step on your toes.
Speaker 1: Do you, could may I have one?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course. This you guys can do. Do you want a Gatorade or something? I'm not drinking all that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish you could still smoke in hotel rooms. You smoke?
Speaker 2: I asked. I started during COVID.
Speaker 1: I thought you said you never drink or smoke.
Speaker 2: I didn't say I never smoked.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I didn't say I never drink. I said
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah. Don't drink. Don't do drugs. You're right.
You're right.
Speaker 3: You're right. You're right.
Speaker 2: I used to run marathons in the night. Really? I quit smoking and quit drinking for a 14 years and then ran marathons. But during COVID, I started smoking again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I don't drink and I don't smoke, and I also don't run marathons. Wow. I I completely abstain. I'm just nasty.
Smoking again.
Speaker 2: I mean, COVID. That's when I started again.
Speaker 1: Just whining. Just being at home.
Speaker 2: You don't smell like you smoke because I don't smoke indoors. Mhmm. I don't smoke the car generally. Yeah. I make sure it's downwind.
Yeah. I clean my clothes. Yeah. I usually wear one set of clothes for smoking with, like, that sweatshirt and I don't that's the only then I know not to wear that around anyone. Right.
Speaker 1: Because it smells like smoke.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I change.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's
Speaker 2: why I'm changing this shit.
Speaker 1: I wish there's some people that I know that could do a better job of, you know, not smelling like they smoke cigarette Well, this
Speaker 2: thing stinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. There's you get some fucking etiquette lessons to some people I know.
Speaker 2: Do you know if that are they keep
Speaker 3: me in
Speaker 2: Marion tonight?
Speaker 1: That's the county seat, so yeah. Yeah. So did this fantasy since you were, like, in 12, did it ever, like, go away for because I've I've heard people tell me that, you know, it goes away, it does. And I've also heard people tell me that you needed a Megalinks account to open a Megalink which is You never shot. Okay.
Ever. How How how do you kind of,
Speaker 2: what's the word, quenched? No.
Speaker 1: How do you kind of what am I looking for here? You know where I mean, like, kind of what was your outlet for that fantasy for all these years?
Speaker 2: I had no outlet.
Speaker 1: When's the first time that a child born has come across your phone or a computer or
Speaker 2: Not long ago. Really? Probably that first time that guy dumped the big links on me. Not the England guy, but
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was. Sure. Sent that to me on actually, I think I think he sent it on Telegram. Okay. Now that I think about it.
Speaker 1: What about, like, Limewire and Yahoo? Never been on Limewire.
Speaker 2: Okay. I've heard of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anything like that on Facebook ever
Speaker 3: pop up?
Speaker 2: Lately, not not not like that but like underage. Like they get dances and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're coming up. Yeah. Like just TikTok or not.
Speaker 2: If that's what you're talking about. That is a lot of that on Facebook. Okay. That didn't used to be like that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's you know what that is on there. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Well, I've I've heard of people getting I've got
Speaker 2: a pretty vanilla Facebook page. Okay? Yeah. Yeah. I know you do.
Cats on. It's got my kids. It's got family, travel. I mean, there's nothing dirty on there. Mhmm.
And I just kinda get that in my feed. I get that stuff in my feed.
Speaker 1: Have you actually so when you sent a picture of you in Italy, were you actually in Italy when you when you send that, like, was was that actually a picture of Italy? Yeah. Damn. What's, how much does it cost? Like how long were we there for?
How much did it cost?
Speaker 2: Like We decided to Kathy and I decided to buy a cruise for both of our mothers different cruises. Because they're in their seventies. And they probably don't have a lot of years left. So we got them each a cruise. So we flew to Barcelona.
Mhmm. And then probably 10,000. How long was the flight? The Barcelona European thing was a week and a half.
Speaker 1: It's not a couple days
Speaker 2: 2 days in Barcelona, 7 days throughout the Mediterranean, Barcelona. And then you lose another day because of the you lose a day coming back.
Speaker 3: What was your
Speaker 2: favorite place to go? Barcelona.
Speaker 1: Really? What was that? This
Speaker 2: is such a clean city. Just just not like Rome or it it not like any of them.
Speaker 1: The Rome was
Speaker 2: dirty or dirty? Really. It's dirty. Filthy. Really?
Trash all over downtown. Right by the Vatican and everything.
Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
Speaker 2: Not in the Vatican but, the graffiti all all over graffiti and trash. Barcelona is very, very clean. Nice town. But I was in, Sicily when that picture was taken.
Speaker 1: Where's the best food you had in Europe? Of course, my fat ass is asking that. So
Speaker 2: I mean, mean, I the pizza is just absolutely gourmet.
Speaker 1: Really? Just like
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you're in Spain or Italy or, or France. If you're on the Mediterranean coast Uh-huh. You're gonna get better pizza than you you can get where you're here.
Speaker 1: Talking better than like New York, Chicago, all this?
Speaker 2: It's, yeah. It's, it's not even pizza anymore. I mean, it's just so good. It's like a gourmet dish.
Speaker 1: God. What do you think it is?
Speaker 2: Heads, the talent and the
Speaker 1: ingredients. Take fresher shit than we have here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And 500 year old recipes.
Speaker 1: Goddamn. They're older than I think, probably. You had no shit. That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: What about like the bread?
Speaker 2: Incredible. They have pride in the food. So even the little mom and pop places, even the little dives, the fancy places, it doesn't matter. It's all it's all fantastic.
Speaker 1: So you think anything over there would be better than anything that I could get here like mom and pop?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's more widespread. If you go just about anywhere there, it's it's absolutely every meal we have is fantastic. Here, you would have to look for it in a big city
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And pay oh, and that's the other thing. It's cheap. Food's cheap there.
Speaker 1: Really? Mhmm.
Speaker 2: No one thinks that. It's cheap. Damn. I forget the reasoning for that, but it's not it's not bad. It's incredible.
Damn. The wine's cheaper and wine's half the price. Okay. Everyone thinks it's more expensive. So you, you know, you'd have to go to a big city and go to the absolute, you know, expensive places to get anything like that.
Speaker 3: What about,
Speaker 1: like, meat there? Like steak, chicken, all that shit? Like I don't think I
Speaker 2: had any. I think I ate all Italian foods. Bread and cheese, pretty much. Pasta and sauces and, seafood. Yeah.
What about seafood? And different kinds of things. I don't think I had beef over there.
Speaker 1: Okay. How how's, like, the pasta and the sauce like? Heaven god. Jeez, dude. That's a god.
Sounds nice, man.
Speaker 2: Sounds nice. It's definitely something that I'd want. So if I lit up a cigarette in here, I'd get in trouble. I'll tell them. Never mind.
I don't think they can give a fuck at this point. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't do that if you don't. God, man.
Make me jealous about that shit. Well,
Speaker 2: I've been working 30 some years Yeah. To get to where I'm at.
Speaker 1: You make, I actually make 6 orders and all that shit. Mhmm. You make, like, closer to a million or closer to a million?
Speaker 2: I make about a quarter million.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. That's pretty
Speaker 2: damn good. Not for long.
Speaker 1: But it's definitely a pattern went back for sure. So how'd you hear about this telegraph app? Like, what's kind of the deal with that? There's
Speaker 2: Telegram you mean. Right? No. Telegraph. Well, no.
There's teleguard and teleguard. Teleguard. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody said something that, saying no.
I only talk on Caldegard. Mhmm. And then I'm like, okay. What's that? And then
Speaker 3: you You
Speaker 1: ever get like session sessions at all? I never never. Need no sessions.
Speaker 2: I don't even I've had people ask but I'm not wanting to I'm too tired to meet any more apps. I mean, there's all kinds,
Speaker 1: I guess. What about dark web? I don't. No. Okay.
Not not as far as I know. Go on it.
Speaker 2: I don't have oh, like a tour or something. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No VPN. No tour. None of that. I've had people talk about that.
I mean, I've heard of
Speaker 1: it. Yeah. So what about, I I do wanna kinda ask this one more time because maybe it wasn't the most clear. You know, a lot of people, they're asking about sessions and they're asking about Telegram, whatever the fuck that is, that's something that goes completely new to me from this conversation. I'm just kinda not
Speaker 3: piecing together that all these
Speaker 1: people have sent you illegal
Speaker 2: material. Well,
Speaker 3: yeah. I know they sent you a legal
Speaker 2: illegal material.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I know they sent you illegal material. No. No. You're assuming
Speaker 2: it was illegal. It wasn't illegal.
Speaker 1: Have you made the have you ever, like, took a link to someone's attention and just forwarded it to
Speaker 2: them like that? My point is if you're just sharing regular porn Yeah. You still wanna go somewhere besides messaging. It goes against our community standards. Right.
You you get nixed. And so I just wanted to insert that there because you jumped to thinking that I'm on those because of something illegal and Mhmm. And that wasn't those weren't illegal. You know, those experiences, those people say, hey. Talk to me on this is my telegram.
This doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: I was on there for some reason. No. No. I understand. But, was there anything like on Telegram or TeleGuard or many of the apps like were there groups of that stuff being exchanged, like channel porn or was it just individuals who sent it to you?
Speaker 2: Just the individuals I talked about.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Any group invites you got?
Speaker 2: No. No. Not not for that kind of thing. Something that we're, like, kids just in outfits. Like, just, like, dance outfits.
Speaker 1: Like, groups that sundresses and
Speaker 2: stuff or something.
Speaker 1: I would've gotten one for a week or something. Okay.
Speaker 2: Not you know, it's really was nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense.
So I wanna bring up these 2 right here. We got lost on it. Nope. Global mega insta outage. So there was an Instagram outage on March 5th.
Right? Or a few days ago? Yes. Something. Okay.
How did, so the we we looked to be on TeleGuard. How did you get in touch with us on TeleGuard? Did we, like, give you a TeleGuard account or something like that? Like, what we I have
Speaker 2: a TeleGuard. I probably gave it to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, what made, I guess, what made you message us on TeleGuard out of the blue? I guess, was it outage or something?
Or
Speaker 2: Could've been. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, the instant crashed would be can
Speaker 2: we step out for a cigarette?
Speaker 1: How's it going? Good. Eric? Yeah. Come on, man.
Sir, is there
Speaker 2: Eric, there's child porn on that mega app on one
Speaker 1: of those phones. Right? There's,
Speaker 2: an app that contains a couple files. It's not stored on that phone. It was a couple of links that someone sent that if you click on it, it goes right to the website. I guess, website or something. Can you talk to them all
Speaker 1: Do you have, like, 1 year talking all day?
Speaker 3: No. This
Speaker 1: room is
Speaker 3: so much
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. That's crazy. This is mine right here. So basically, you know, I'm sure when you hear about some of this, it's most interesting that from the media, I think, as a kid sex.
It's pretty cut off and dry. This was a little different. This guy was here to be the kid for sex, but he was talking to us posing as a pedo dad, basically, pipping our kid out. And obviously, we didn't actually have a kid pipped out. She's 28.
But, she was playing as a 9 year old girl. And, we had him on, recording basically basically in the hotel room for, like, a good 5, 10 minutes. And he he said, like, on on her honesty to record it and that he did stuff to his own daughter, to basically make her more comfortable. And then, of course, when he found out that I wore filming, oh, I just made that up and you made me say that. But, you know, I whispered in his ear that, I'm like, oh, I'm already on stuff with her.
Like, I I didn't tell him to say that. He also said that in the messages too. So we can he's gonna say, yeah, we turn it over. Say he did send to his own daughter. We did not.
Okay. Well, let's start with the messages that we got first.
Speaker 2: Oh, and then
Speaker 1: so we we we we basically dropped the hammer on him in person and he confessed to having child pornography on that phone and accessing over 4,000 files on there. These are all that's They're out of order but, yeah, you'll get a good idea. Yeah. And I made sure he said in front of you all that there's child porn on that phone.
Speaker 2: It's right on mega app. And he
Speaker 1: he gave a phone passcode. Is it both of those are airplane mode already? Right. So whose hotel room is this actually right there? It is.
Yeah. It is. He invited us over here and oh, yeah. We also have long camera basically about to show us a child born that was on his phone. Like, he was gonna he's planning to show the 9 year old girl to get her comfortable and, stopped him before he could do that and said, okay.
How did it help with it? Let's see. Next to it, it's
Speaker 2: the big open, back, big front Can you give me the cigarettes out of the bag?
Speaker 1: Oh, this bag? Do I know where the laptop is set up?
Speaker 2: A big bag. It's in the big pocket.
Speaker 1: No. The fire Oh, wait. This is this laptop right here
Speaker 2: in the It's a business bag. I got a big pocket. Is there a lighter still in there?
Speaker 1: I got one. We got There you go. I think the hospital. At Okay. Alright.
So what's the actual hotel room for this? What's the number?
Speaker 2: 307. 307. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what's your name? Alex Rosen, a l e x, and last name is r o s e n. What's your date of birth, mister Rosen? March 15, 2000. March 15.
Are you local or were you No. Houston, Texas. Do you have an idea with you just because you're on the state? It's in the core, but I can leave you my driver DL number and all that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That'd be great. 3 Eric Gro. Gro, g r o w, Eric Gro.
Speaker 3: Do you
Speaker 1: know if he's from around here? No. He's from, Ohio. Okay. He's 52 years old and whose exact address I didn't know that.
Okay. What's up? So walk me through everything what happened. Just start from day 1 to So we have a profile, AirViewer that is we have some snakes in there.
Speaker 2: We have a profile on
Speaker 1: those as a pedo. And we have in our bio, we film family pizza party, which, like, we film fucking our kids. We'd obviously be down. And we don't share any child porn or anything like that. But, you know, everybody that messages that profile, we know instantly they're in the child pornography.
It's a great way, like, to skip over all the grooming phase because they just get right into it with us. So it was, like, pizza recording pizza parties, like, for child. Yeah. Because cheese pizza CP, child porn CP. So
Speaker 2: As far as something today.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he messaged us, like, oh, I'm interested in the family lifestyle and we're instantly, oh, okay. Cool. And we kinda have a talk and we're like, oh, we have a 9 year old daughter. And he's like, I live in Ohio.
I'm like, yeah. We live in Indiana. He's like, yeah. I wanna come over and I wanna get a hotel room and kinda have fun with you guys. I'm paraphrasing over a couple of weeks.
There's, like, 300 screenshots. Okay. And, you know, he mentions that, you know, he has a child files and he's like, yeah. I'm gonna show I'm gonna show I wanna show your daughter we're at the hotel room and he talked about all the things you wanna do to this 9 year old girl. And, you know, it was just bad.
He mentioned the messages that he that he and but his words, he licked his daughter when she was a toddler. And we're like, alright. And so finally, we're like, yeah. We'll be free March 7th. So he booked in a hotel room last night.
He was here last night, and he has it through Friday night. And, he just said, hey. Come in. So the picture that we sent him was me and her kind of just posing in the mirror together. And, you know, he bought it.
He thought she was 9, and he thought that I was 44.
Speaker 3: I don't
Speaker 1: know how you possibly think that, but I don't know. It's fucking bald. But, but, yeah, he bought it. And then the mom that we sent, she's actually the person that was texting him as a dad. Her name's Hannah.
She's not here with us, but we had some we had a subscriber of ours, basically player. They look relatively similar. So, you know, so so today, he's, like, super excited. You're gonna come up and you know, yada yada. So, we knock on the door.
He lets in the door for about 10 minutes. We're just kinda like shooting the shit and he's introducing himself and I'm like, yeah. So, you know, let's kinda get into it. What are some of the things? And, you know, he's like, yeah.
So I'm excited about this. And, you know, I tell I you know, I'm talking to her. I'm like, yeah, baby girl. Remember what we did? And we said he's he's gonna do it too.
And, you know, he's like, yeah. Then I whisper in his ear. I'm like you know, if he wasn't saying too too much, I'm like, I've already done I've already told her it's okay. And, you know, then he's like, yeah. Well, I've done it to my daughter too.
And I'm like, yeah. You should lift her. Right? He's like, yeah. Yeah.
And then I'm like, did you ever, like, insert in her? And he's like, yeah. I did. And then for, like, 2 more minutes we talk and then, you know, I tell him, like, yeah. So, you know, she wanted to see some of the videos you have to kind of, get an idea of what we're gonna do.
So he he gets his phone. He goes to the mega app where the videos are. He didn't open up any videos because when he said that, I was like, wait. Hold on a second. Let me see.
And he gave me the phone. I don't open up anything. And I put the phone down there and I just tell him, like, like, a firm voice. I'm like, hey, Eric. We're gonna talk about what's going on right now.
And they get those 2 got out of the room. And, yeah. And then he basically over the course of our conversation, the first thing he's like, why didn't I actually touch my daughter? I was just saying that because you got me to say. I'm like, bro, that's not true at all.
He ended up confessing that he's viewed over well, accessed over 4,000 files of child pornography at once. He said he didn't watch every single video, which is probably the case because 4,000, but he said he got sent a link with 4,000 child porn videos. He described in detail the videos of infants he's watched as young as infants. He claims he never distributed it and he's told us that he's had this fantasy of young girls since he was, like, 11 years old. He wouldn't he couldn't say positively or negatively if anything happened when he was a kid and asked for what he wanted to do.
What he admitted to wanting to do it, you know, to me. He said that he wanted to have sex with the wife with her washing and that he wanted to cuddle with the dog, which is obviously, you don't want to do more with her, but he wouldn't confess to that. But he confessed to possessing the child more than I think. That's a pretty big one. And we, had him voluntarily and it's all voluntary.
I told him it's voluntary multiple times. He asked me multiple times, am I being detained? And I'm like, no. You're not. It's voluntary.
But he thought the cops were waiting outside the whole time. I'm like, dude, I'm just here
Speaker 3: to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't really give him an answer on that. And he said his phone into airplane mode, he gave you the passcodes to them, and they're already pre hold. Okay. Is this your room? His room?
His room. Yes. This room? Yes. That's my luggage because I just brought it in there to make it look real good.
Everything else is well, this phone's mine. When it comes to the phone, if I have to get this room. So, you never asked anybody to leave or anything like that? No. Never.
No. And I and I told him I told him verbatim. Like, you can tell me to go fuck myself if you want to. And he's like, you know, he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not like them. Like, alright.
Speaker 1: So it's all on camera. So how was this correspondence completed over? Like, did it start off in Craigslist and then go to, like, like, WhatsApp or Oh, speaking of Craigslist, he said he talked to a family on Craigslist, like, 10 years ago who's trying to do the same thing, but he said he didn't he did not go try to meet them. Okay. But but did this start off with No.
No. So it started off on Instagram. Okay. And then this app called Tellegore, which I've never heard of until this conversation. One second here.
Speaker 3: So what
Speaker 1: was the first app that Instagram. Okay. So it was Instagram. Yep. And then the second one was TeleGuard.
So tele like telephone and then guard. What all is your stuff
Speaker 2: that is in here other than the luggage?
Speaker 1: Phone, shoes, and luggage.
Speaker 2: Okay. So
Speaker 1: that would be his suitcase, his phones in the bathroom. You guys didn't bring the candy? No. That was him. And yeah.
Okay. Let's go and move to the hall and we'll just go ahead and see here. So I'll start with my son's name. Okay. So, normally, you guys do this stuff like and then publish and stuff like that.
So in the meantime though, because this is technically his his room Sure. We're gonna have you guys exit. Yeah. No problem. Just search more for the rooms.
That way, again, we're gonna take a process. Fine. Did we get his ID?
Speaker 2: No. Max talked
Speaker 1: to him the entire time. I haven't got any other from him. So if you guys wanna grab your suitcase. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I'll put you through. This water's mine now. Dude, obviously, I didn't like to talk after we revealed it because he was like, oh, I don't wanna say anything. I'm Julian.
You know? So I'm glad we got that shit. But, yeah, I wish you would've confessed to one who'd do shit with the t boy,
Speaker 2: but whatever. This is confessing to 6,000 CP, whatever. Do you want me to go down
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fucking.
Speaker 3: Or this is
Speaker 2: too out of my house.
Speaker 1: Facebook and you guys have, like, hashtags or, like, keywords that you guys use, like, you know? Search for it. It's a private I guess, like I don't know. I guess the out the outroaches kinda weird, but this is this is the account. So filmmaker family pizza parties, we say do not send picture videos in the DMs.
And private. So people, yeah, Yeah. Yeah. And that's why, like, with all that, like, if someone's messaging that account, they a 100% know what it is, and we know what they are. So that's what makes it so easy to know, like, their Internet shit.
So then the messages get passed along in Instagram Messenger, and then you guys move to a more secure messaging app like Okay. TeleGuard. And he didn't, like, send us anything on TeleGuard, and we just told him, like, yeah, just show us in person. Don't send us anything and shit like that. Like, we definitely don't wanna be in a position as prime citizens to be receiving CP.
So Yeah. I've lost my mind. That's just, you know, kind of, It's a little queasy and all that stuff
Speaker 2: kinda makes it worse. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This guy's a father of 4. He said he makes $230,000 a year, and he just threw it all away. It could be she really shows. Yes.
She could be anybody. So just like trailer trash, just sitting down, doing nothing. You always hear about it, but Yeah. Not like
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I've been doing this for several years, and this is the first time I've seen something so I don't wanna say intricate, but, like, complicated and complex. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Oh, easily. Easily. Like, we we've got, like, 3 week trips.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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In this video, the speaker addresses the issue of inappropriate conversations and explicit content on various online platforms, including Whisper, Telegram, and Kik. They confront Kenneth about his conversations with an underage girl named Emmy on the Whisper app, acknowledging that it may have been a fantasy but emphasizing the need to address the inappropriate content. Kenneth admits to engaging in sexual conversations with Emmy but claims it was all part of a fantasy and promises it won't happen again. The speaker discusses the influence of others online who normalize such behavior and emphasizes the importance of accountability. They also mention their own exposure to explicit content and discussions about attraction to minors on these platforms, expressing regret for their past actions. The conversation delves into the age range of individuals posting inappropriate content on Kik, the presence of explicit material in certain groups, and the admins' role in monitoring and banning users. The speakers discuss the need to leave certain groups and the potential presence of illegal content. The video concludes with a discussion about the Kik app and the importance of supporting the work of predator poachers in addressing child exploitation.
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you take test key videos like that not like western music. Like, There's a walk it in. That bitch. See you later.
Speaker 2: Hey, Kenneth. How's it going, man? Hi.
Speaker 1: Gordon, nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Hey. Gotta talk about it, Emmy. Emmy from Whisper. Would you wanna go outside and talk about it? He's gonna be a little bit, guys.
No worries. Any weapons on you?
Speaker 2: No. Okay.
Speaker 1: Everything is being recorded for your safety and mine because, you know, I'm we're in a bar in Alabama. There could be weapons. Sorry about the package thing, but, you know, I didn't go to Moody's and talk to your talk to your girlfriend about it. It's jammed to you. Okay?
I know you're a good dude. Okay? That's why I'm sure to talk to you about it. Alright? Sound good?
My name is Gordon. I am sorry to meet you like this. Okay. Do you kinda have an idea, like, what I'm here to talk to you about? No.
Okay. Well, first and foremost, like, how old are you?
Speaker 2: Over 21. 18. Okay.
Speaker 1: He's 19? Yeah. Well, I would hold it to my age and then let my age too.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Got it. Well, you know, I'm sorry to interrupt your night. I like this too, but, obviously, this is some shit we gotta get through. Okay? And I don't think like I said, I don't think you're a bad guy, but this is kind of important stuff.
And I didn't go I didn't go to Mandy. I didn't go to Gary or anybody. Okay? I just came to you. Alright?
I'm not telling them. I'm not in the business of, like, telling anybody shit. You know? You're a grown dude. I'm a grown dude.
We can just sort it out here. Okay? Is that cool?
Speaker 2: It's a 10 year.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's about Emmy from Whisper and who's kinda messaging you back and forth from the Bronx. Okay? Just kinda wanna figure out what happened, why it happened, if it'll ever happen again. It's kinda what's going on here because, you know, I know you're a good dude, like, looking at your stuff.
I don't think you're a threat to anybody per se. I don't think you're out to get anybody. I don't think you're out to do bad things, but, you know, some shit was said, and I just kinda wanna get it, like, cleared up and all that. Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Bad. So is it kinda ringing a bell, like, what I'm here to talk to you about?
Speaker 2: What are you asking me?
Speaker 1: Well, just kinda what happened, why it happened, that type of stuff. Like, what can you tell me about, Emmy? Nothing. Okay. Is there does any of it ring a bell?
Speaker 2: Not really.
Speaker 1: Okay. Are you, like, drunk right now, or are you, like
Speaker 2: I'm at a bar. Okay.
Speaker 1: Are you under the influence at all right now?
Speaker 2: I'm at a bar.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I just kinda wanna go over some of this. Okay? Are you familiar with the Whisper app?
Speaker 2: Okay. Is there a quick I'm gonna get my cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Alright. Sounds good. Excuse me. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: So Mhmm. What do you need to start?
Speaker 1: Well, I kinda wanna figure out why kind of this conversation with Emmy happened and kinda clear it up because, you know, I know shit takes 2 to tango and, you know, I'm not here to judge you about anything. Like, I understand that. I understand that when you're bored online, shit can be said. Okay? Like, I don't think again, you're a guy who's, like, well known in the well, you're you're like in the in your little community.
Okay? So I don't think you're bad or malicious or anything. The stuff that we said is important enough to kinda go over and kinda get dressed. Okay? Just kinda stomp it out.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So tell me what you wanna go over then.
Speaker 1: The conversation with Emmy. Just kinda how this like, how how did this stuff online kinda start for you?
Speaker 2: I I believe it to be false. Okay. And so it's just a little something stupid to talk about or whatever. I don't want That's it. There's no I don't want anything.
Just talking.
Speaker 1: Okay. So just kind of some conversation online?
Speaker 2: Correct. Can that not be recorded?
Speaker 1: Well, we're in public. And, again, that's for my safety and yours because if you you can, of course, turn your your turn your head. I don't care about that. But, you know, it's it's not about putting your face anywhere. But, you know, I don't want you calling anybody saying that I threatened you or anything like that.
Alright? I don't think you're that type of guy, but you never know. Right? And, of course, I want you to be assured that I'm I know I'm a bigger guy, but I'm not gonna put hands on you, ask you for money, or anything stupid like that. Okay?
Promise you on that.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay. What do you do for work? Just like you don't have to be aware, but, like, what do you what do you do for life? Things. Alright.
Well, work with your hands. I could tell.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Alright. Well, I respect that. I respect people who actually work hard. There's not many people like that nowadays. And I'm glad that you actually do something productive rather than just, you know, sit around and smoke.
Well, you you smoke, but I I'm glad you actually do shit for the for the community and all that. Okay? And it is why why I do wanna get this cleared up with you because, you know, the last thing I think is that somebody who works with their hands
Speaker 2: Who are you working?
Speaker 1: It's a group called Kid Protectors USA. We just make sure that kids don't talk to adults vice versa. Okay? Yep. So
Speaker 2: I felt that there was something going in a wrong direction, and, I I really thought it was some sort of fantasy kind of thing. And, our actual character, a little weirded out about it when things got a little, seemingly over.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I I was feeling a little weird about it.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got got a little bit carried away? Yeah. That's fair enough, dude. It's all it is.
Because I thought this was some type of lifelong pattern. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay. There's not. Okay. It was kind of a little fancy thing that I I kinda got to work with.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And then, you obviously have everything. So, you could see I have a little more distance. I I I put because I was like, wow. This is getting kinda it's yeah. It's not it is just getting to not be
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Which is, not the situation. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's why another reason why I just came to talk to you because, you know, obviously, with these in my hand, there's a lot of ways this could go. But, you know, since I saw you trying to actually try to distance yourself at the end, I realized that this is something that could be addressed by this conversation. You know what I mean? But, yeah. So how did like, what did this whole Whisper app thing start for you?
Because I don't think Whisper is really a good thing for anybody to be on, if that's my opinion.
Speaker 2: I I don't know. I I don't think that really matters.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's fine. Is Emmy the I mean, how many people like Emmy have been on Whisper that have tried to talk to you?
Speaker 2: I I again, just it's it's been a just a a a fantasy talk about stupid fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you think there's, like, a what, like, is there, like, a catalyst for this fantasy? Like, does something No. Okay.
Speaker 2: No. Just boredom, stupid, fucking me just like it is. Just yeah. We're doing bad things.
Speaker 1: Just shooting the shit?
Speaker 2: That's fair enough.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, dude. Like, trust me. I think there's definitely a difference between shooting the shit versus taking an ice cream truck and just, you know, rolling around the elementary school.
Speaker 2: But Definitely. Okay. That's that's not no.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I figured it was something like that. Or I figured that would not be the case. So, not me having to read all these because I don't think, first of all, it's cold. 2nd of all, I hate reading.
3rd of all, I'm sure reading this wouldn't be the most flattering thing for you. So can we kinda cut through the chase a little bit? Sure. That's fair. How old did Emmy say she was?
Sweet. Alright. Well, underage. Okay. Was she, like, 5, 6?
No. Okay. How old is JC was?
Speaker 2: Alright. I I I I think it was, like, like, 15 or 16. I'm not I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1: Here she said TBH of 13.
Speaker 2: Okay. Does Does that
Speaker 1: ring a bell?
Speaker 2: Alright. No. Again, drinking. K. Okay.
Got it.
Speaker 1: But you knew she was underage?
Speaker 2: Is there what's going on with this?
Speaker 1: Well, I kinda wanna figure out why this happened, if it'll ever happen again. Okay. But You
Speaker 2: already freaked me the fuck out about it. I was already freaked out about it before. I understand. I kinda knew I had gone so far before. So yeah.
I'm already freaked out.
Speaker 1: Okay. A lot. Right. Well, I mean, out of all the people we talked to about this, I'm the one you wanna be talking to because I definitely understand the difference between I mean, this is literally just Internet bullshit. Okay?
And Internet bullshit, I was talking about leading to some stuff off the Internet and that's why I'm here talking to you. But since it didn't lead to anything, that's also, why I'm kinda here, like, you know, we're on the border here. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, you know, I definitely don't blanket people.
Okay? Like, I don't think you know, like, a lot of people just put you in the same category as the person who drives around the elementary school with a camera. Okay? And I don't put you in that category. Okay?
So the reason why I wanna go over this is kinda like give you a peace of mind, give me a peace of mind that, like, you know, hey. Was some stuff said here a little bit overboard? Sure. I mean, you're not gonna lie about that. I'm not gonna lie about it.
I don't even sugarcoat shit. But it's also you know, we have some accountability and, you know, peace of mind for me that this may not happen again. You know what I mean? It's not good. Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm fucking freaked out.
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure.
Speaker 2: Alright. Before you you fucking came in. That's
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So accountability, got it. I
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, for for me to have peace of mind, I do kinda wanna get some of this addressed. And, again, I didn't go to Mandy. I didn't go to Gary. I didn't go to Moody's.
I didn't go to Easy's. I came here. Okay? So
Speaker 2: How would you know those places or people?
Speaker 1: Well, we can find a lot through just a profile. Yeah. If I'm not because I'm a I believe I'm a techno tard, but service level shit. Okay. I mean, the conversation started off pretty cordial.
You said you're from Alabama. We'll bring you on here.
Speaker 2: Yes. And I gave false information because I didn't wanna know where my house was. I didn't wanna, like, anything to actually park right now.
Speaker 1: Right. K. But there's some stuff to add.
Speaker 2: There was. Silverboard was yeah. Okay. But not blatantly. Yeah.
Okay. How did the
Speaker 1: talk kinda go? Like, did you so, again, I didn't read all of these. I got, like, a synopsis.
Speaker 2: A little too sexual for what I should've been.
Speaker 1: A little too sexual? Okay. Fair enough.
Speaker 2: But but not overly, like I mean, okay, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But some of it was just, like, yeah.
Look. You had a good day. Or we talked about this. We had a great day today. How was your day?
Blah blah blah. And then, oh, I miss you. Oh, yeah. We could do this. Yeah.
Be fine. And then blah blah blah. Okay. Well, I hope you have a good night.
Speaker 1: Well, it it wasn't just,
Speaker 2: at least from what
Speaker 1: I saw, it wasn't just objectifying over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: No. I definitely would.
Speaker 1: Okay. I well, I respect the hell out of that, dude. I mean, you know, obviously, it's a lot to read and not read it all. But I typed in some keywords, like, I typed in, you know, bondage. I typed in rape.
I typed in all that. None of that popped up. Yeah. So that's kinda like that's kinda made me you know, that kinda made me just go you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's not me.
Speaker 1: Okay. Alright. So you got sexual though in some way?
Speaker 2: A little a little overly from somebody that was underaged. So this is but Okay. And things were talked about. This shouldn't have been talked about. And, yeah.
And then I started, like, this is uncomfortable. I actually it's uncomfortable. Yeah. And then slowly started talking about something. It would go away.
I didn't let it go.
Speaker 1: Okay. What were some of the stuff talked about that you'd call sexual? Because, again, I just type in rape, bondage. I don't see any of that. So before I have to just go this like this and find out myself, I mean, can we just talk about it?
Speaker 2: Why is it that it's necessary for me to talk about?
Speaker 1: Well, because, like I said, I kinda want I kinda want this addressed.
Speaker 2: I understand. Like, you want it addressed. Mhmm. Is it lawful that I need to address it with you?
Speaker 1: Well, that'd be a dumb decision because, you know, like I said, everything's saved, and I could easily just read all of it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And, you know, I just kinda wanna talk in man to man. That's not something that happened too much in 2024, but something that I believe in. You know? I have some new school values. I have some old school values.
And one of my old values is just getting shit addressed man to man. Like, I don't think any extracurricular bullshit needs to be brought into something that can be addressed right here. So that's that's my train of thought.
Speaker 2: What what needs to be addressed and what?
Speaker 1: Well, I kinda wanna know what what in fact was talking about because, you know, I personally think it takes 2 to tango. Okay? From what I gathered from the little bit I did read, I don't think that Emmy was just saying stop, stop, stop, and you kept on, kept on, kept on. No. Not many.
But but I'd rather but, you know, if I read this and find out that's the case, it could be a different story. So I want kinda wanna hear, like, how did it go? Like, was Emmy into it? Was she saying shit too? Like Yes.
Okay.
Speaker 2: It mostly contagious and it was mostly info interest, which as an old guy, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: yeah. Yeah. That's human nature.
Speaker 2: Brings you back Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. Things like that. For sure.
And that's that's that's best.
Speaker 1: Okay. You all talk about, like, doing sexual stuff together?
Speaker 2: Talked about possibility. So
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. When I was skimming through this, I saw something about, like, Abby being pregnant.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She said I don't wanna be pregnant. I said I don't. Okay.
Speaker 1: Did you say anything about getting her pregnant eventually?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say I didn't, but I don't recall saying. Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you like did y'all talk about, like, stuff like being naked together, shit like that? Or were any picsent of news back and forth? No news. No news? Okay.
Got it. Do y'all talk about being naked? Just talking about it?
Speaker 2: Possibly.
Speaker 1: Possibly? Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. More than likely.
Speaker 1: More than likely? Okay.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily things per se, like, show me your I'll show you mine or things like that. Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it wasn't like you saying send me this. It was more like we'll be naked together one day. So I'm like, okay. That's fair.
Alright. Again, I'm not gonna ask too much about her, but I just wanna kinda get this part out of the way. Does does Mandy know about any of this? No. Okay.
So this was kinda brought up. There was a there was a, friend you kinda talked about that you showed Evie to.
Speaker 2: Nah. I don't recall.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, it was mentioned to Abby that, you know, I have a friend who's a female and, you know, I showed I showed her your picture. She was interested.
Speaker 2: I don't that's I'm not saying it's not true. Basically. Okay. I drank a lot.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: And that could've been just something I brought up in that conversation as complete fallacy or or fantasy to go along with the situation. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, do you have a friend that you talk to Emmy about? No. No? Okay. So what would be the point of kinda just saying to Emmy, like, I got a friend who's gonna
Speaker 2: Just go along with the fucking fantasy shit.
Speaker 1: Okay. What exactly is a fantasy?
Speaker 2: I don't. Okay. I don't. No. Okay.
Just you get wrapped up in something and you don't.
Speaker 1: Uncarried away.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Get overly carried away. And and then, you know, site buyer's remorse the the next day. You know, like, the fuck that where where the fuck was that going? Right.
Speaker 1: Is this something that and again, like, you know, I said I have old school values and new school values. You know, my old school values are I talk man to man to people. I don't bring any extracurricular bullshit. I don't have to, like you know, I don't do any of the fucking screaming shit. You know, I talk I'm cool.
Right? But my old my new school values is, you know, if somebody I think needs help for something, I'm willing to work with that. Is this something that you ever thought maybe I need some and again, all confidential. Is this something that you ever thought, like, you know, I need some guidance with or I need some, like, little truly, like, I mean, if it if it is, like, that's definitely a route we can go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just Okay. Okay. I mean, I don't know. You got a card or something?
Yeah. I would Call somebody or maybe, like, instead of doing this again, I'll call that fucking number and be like, hey. I'm thinking stupid things together instead of making that fucking make this phone call. Mhmm. That's something sure.
Yeah. So I I don't think that yeah. I'm not getting a fucking ice cream truck. I'm not really gonna fucking chase. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's not. But, yeah. Carried away, obviously, they're not carried away.
Speaker 1: Right. So, you know, there are there are some messages here that I did read, in fact, that, you know, you all did talk about getting her pregnant, you know, having sex, you wanna lose it as in your virginity. Was there a reason that that kinda would be said to her?
Speaker 2: Again, it's a fantasy that's going fucking over for it. And and, I mean, I've previously talked to people and they're like, yeah. You you know, this is, like, I'm kinda role playing with you. I'm like, yeah. I get that.
That's that's kind of a role playing fucking situation. Mhmm. Which is kinda what I take it for for the most part.
Speaker 1: Well, did anybody talk about role playing?
Speaker 2: No. Okay. No. But catfishing role playing fucking yeah. It get it it happens.
And it it's kinda mind fucking assumption. It's it's mostly what it is. Once it gets down to the nitty gritty, it's never gonna fuck it's never gonna go on. And it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, you know, something when you when you mentioned, like, getting the car and saying I'm having these thoughts again, you know, again, I don't think you're somebody that needs trouble. I think you need some maybe some help, maybe that car or something like that. Okay? But in order for me to actually believe that you want that help, I kinda wanna know how this started before Emmy because, I mean, shot in the fucking dark that Emmy is the first person you talk to saying that they're 13.
There was a picture sent to Emmy of some young looking butt. You didn't show a face with it. It was just a young looking butt. Like, who is that chick? Was she on Whisper 2?
Speaker 2: Or I don't I don't remember. I don't remember who I got her picture.
Speaker 1: Okay. You think an adult sent that to you? Or is that, like Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was an adult. Okay. But I'm I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like, was that an adult that had, like, some a picture of someone younger that sent that to you? Okay. Alright. So I guess the better question is, and again, because I truly I'm not somebody who thinks that this is this should be trouble, but, you know, I think we both wanted to stop. Right?
How did this stuff kinda start for you online? I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, is there a timetable? No. Let's get to the timetable. I'm not here to judge you, dude. Truly.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm here to actually make sure this doesn't happen again. And the way I think it's not gonna happen again is we get down to the nitty gritty. We address it. We both stomp it out together because I'm here to work with you on this. I'm I'm on the same team with you.
If I was on if I was on team bullshit, this conversation would be happening at Halsey or it'd be happening at Moody or it'd be happening at, Peck. It wouldn't be happening here. You know, I'm not team bullshit. I'm team I'm team sama get us out together. Okay?
So
Speaker 2: Well, let's just say you scared the fucking shit out of me, and there's no fucking way of doing it it again. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: But you know how many times I've actually heard that?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm so pissed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm about to
Speaker 2: have a fucking heart attack right now. So
Speaker 1: Alright. Do you have do you get vaccinated?
Speaker 2: What's that? Do you
Speaker 1: have the COVID vaccine?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, okay. Maybe I believe you on that, man. But, well, I I believe you're safe about that.
Speaker 2: The only The only the only reason I got it is because I missed my friend's funeral because I wasn't allowed to get to it because I wasn't vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Oh, fuck. So, basically, you gotta kill yourself in order to be around
Speaker 2: to death.
Speaker 1: Well, that's fucked. Well, I'd call you a loser for that. But, whatever. That that's a whole other conversation. Right?
Andy. But,
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've I've folded on morals, though. Yeah. Or that's the ideals.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Although, at least you're not one of those fucking idiots who was like, well, I couldn't go on a cruise if I didn't get the back seat. I mean, that's such a bitch way to hold, but whatever. But, yeah, I mean, you know, we're here. We're not around your friends.
This is like
Speaker 2: Oh, you kinda are. Oh, yeah. But they're They're they're all staring at me. Right? Okay.
Speaker 1: But they're not gonna know what this conversation was about unless you wanna tell them. But that'd be on you, and I probably wouldn't tell them if I were you, and I'm totally fine with that as long as we know. Right? But,
Speaker 2: obviously, I know you're on being watched. It's not gonna fucking happen again.
Speaker 1: Okay. But
Speaker 2: And, yeah. It's that that's but fantasies are getting away from reality. My reality kinda fucking sucks a lot. And it's fucking stupid. And, yeah, go back to your fucking early teams, whatever, thinking in your head and blah blah blah blah.
And Yeah. Yeah. Once it gets fucking real, you realize Yeah. And Yeah. You don't need to fuck with this.
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure.
Speaker 2: And over overstepping boundaries sometimes, it it's easy to be, especially when you drink whatever. And you're like, oh, I'll just keep going. Mhmm. And then things start getting real and you're like, okay. It is besides before you before you walked in the door.
I I was I didn't suck in. Okay. This this get too fucking bad.
Speaker 1: When did you start thinking that?
Speaker 2: I'll reach the point. Okay. But there there still play into the game. Okay.
Speaker 1: So what's kind of my hang up here is that you are taking accountability about Emmy, but what I think the Internet is, I think it's a poison well. I think these apps are a poison well. And I think anybody that's on these apps for too long, there's always like, being on a whisper, the the more seconds you're on there when it goes tick, tick, tick, the more bullshit that can just happen.
Speaker 2: I I agree. Because, yeah, just running through whispers and your things that people say, and then it becomes normalized. And then there's more fucking things that become normalized in your head that really shouldn't be normalized in your head. Right. And I have thought that too.
But then I, like, go back. It's like, oh, I'm bored. Oh, fucking look at this shit. Yeah. Whatever.
And then, like, why am I doing that? You know? Yep. Instead of, like, the fires are more sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Essentially, like, you kinda you kinda flip it it's like it's like you're a dog and there's a piece of steak in front of you and you're told don't eat it, don't eat it, don't eat it, and you're like, yeah. Yeah. I really shouldn't eat it. Well, fuck.
It looks now now I'm gonna eat it.
Speaker 2: Right. Right. Not not that you were about to say it looks so fucking good. No. It's not
Speaker 1: even looks Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
Speaker 2: But it's it's trailing you along, and you're like, oh, fuck. What else? There's nothing else. Fucking Right. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So you you mentioned, you mentioned people normalizing it. So that's what I'm trying to get at here because I I think that's what happened. I don't think, you know, I I don't I don't think, Kenneth woke up one day and was like, wow. I really wanna text him on Emmy's age. I don't think that fucking happened.
If it did, then tell me. Like, we'll
Speaker 2: we'll figure that out. But It's just right. Right.
Speaker 1: So that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to smoke in my own lip. Stressed out right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. You're you're vaccinated. You're an alcoholic. You smoke, and you're still here at 48.
That's to give us a world record. But, but, so something about people normalizing it. So that I don't think that comes from people any any age. I think that comes from adults that are kinda talking about this stuff. No.
It's not. Okay. So where where do those
Speaker 2: Am I gonna be on anything or not?
Speaker 1: I have no intention of that. I have no intention of that. I told you it's being recorded from the get go.
Speaker 2: I know. Who is this?
Speaker 1: Who is this?
Speaker 2: Very obviously, Blakey. Yeah. Yes. Then I was getting away from you and I was on the phone.
Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely. But, again, like, again, I didn't have to come here and talk to you. It like, if I if I really just thought that you're some demon, I'd have this
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what? I didn't even need the conversation because Your
Speaker 2: ass is very good. I'm so frustrated.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And there are people online that truly yeah. There and there are people online that truly do not deserve to have that conversation. I mean, not in my theory is and that's what I wanna talk to you about. I think you've met some of those people online that, you know, you talk about normalizing it.
I think you've met some people online that have extremely normalized this type of stuff. And essentially, they infected you. I think that's what happened. Unless you're the head of all this, which, you know, I'd be surprised.
Speaker 2: Certainly am.
Speaker 1: Okay. So let's let's kinda walk it back then. When did this subject matter start to become talked about?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting you to tell me June 5, 2013, but your best guess is what I'm expecting.
Speaker 2: I don't really.
Speaker 1: Okay. Ballpark me, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, the rabbit hole match started a couple years ago.
Speaker 1: Okay. The rat?
Speaker 2: Like, you you get on and he's talk talking about something and then something else and then something else something else. But before you know it is here. Mhmm. Like you said, I hear it's something happens and then becomes a little more normal to, have a little and I'll talk about that too. Then I'll talk about that too.
But and it's generally important. Yeah. And then I go, well, that's new or that's different. Or it would be 5 if ever. Yeah.
That's pretty good. Okay. You end up fucking here. Yeah. Are you live?
Yeah, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All good, man. You're
Speaker 2: good. Yeah. I'm good. Thanks, man.
Speaker 1: Told you, bro. But, okay. So the rabbit hole to this type, like, this younger type of subject matter started probably a couple years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay. And and, obviously, child porn or something like that. It's too some child porn or a fucking something like that. It's chatting and talking about stuff. And, again, other when some things have happened before, people are like, you know, I'm based on catfish.
Oh, okay. Alright. I get it. But we're talking Whatever. Mhmm.
May I
Speaker 1: ask what app that rabbit hole might have started for you on? Because that's something I wanna know for, like, you know, research research purposes. Whisper? Yeah. Okay.
So, you know, you said not a situation like this, which, you know, I'm taking your word for it. I get it. But so that would mean it would be an adult talking about it with you. So what would that adult be talking about? Or what would these adults talk about with you?
It's
Speaker 2: similar situations. You know? Like, oh, reliving your youth Be it young again.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. So you said, certainly, it didn't start like this, and it didn't start with, like, hey. I got some pictures to send. But, you know actually, I think we'll just be honest about it.
So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take a dump on you with this. I'm just gonna ask you. So when it comes to because some of these messages No. Where you mentioned no BDSM wasn't mentioned. I don't I don't think there's anything you could watch watch or see that would make you mention that type of stuff.
Like, I don't I don't think that you're capable of doing something like that. But there is definitely stuff that could be seen that puts in your mind, like, I'll talk about getting you pregnant. I'll talk about, being naked with you. I'll talk about being a minor attracted person, stuff like that. And I don't think he knew what the term map was till the Internet came out.
No. I mean
Speaker 2: I mean, that's fairly recent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is. But,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fairly recent to me. I don't know how recent it is for everybody else.
Speaker 1: Well, go to some liberal university and ask. What's that? Go to some liberal university and
Speaker 2: ask. Liberal university. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
I thought you said Woodville.
Speaker 1: Listen. Yeah. What the fuck? You in Auburn? Okay.
How do you feel about Bo Nix just becoming a stud 2,000 miles away, but just going 6 and 6 here? Good for him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fucking sucked he had to go away, but, we made a horrible virgin choice. So such is life.
Speaker 1: Gus and I was on wait. Am I thinking about an old I'm thinking about he's old. He's old. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nalzahn's the who we won the national championship with.
Speaker 1: He was there with Bo Nix, though. Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah. But Nix left when I was on last time. But yeah. Anyway, he did a great job in Oregon. Yeah.
Good for him. Yeah. It sucks to lose a legacy as well. Well I went to college the same time as dad. Really?
Speaker 1: Did you know him? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. I didn't know. I met a couple football players, but not that many.
Speaker 1: Nice, man. Do you ever play sports at all? You're on the bigger side?
Speaker 2: Bigger side. I walked on Auburn baseball less than 2
Speaker 1: days. Yeah. Shit. What did you play?
Speaker 2: I was first third and out. Unfortunately, in high school, I went to high school overseas. So Okay. I we didn't have organized baseball. Yeah.
I played summer league ball, so I didn't really get looked at. Uh-huh. So I tried to walk on, and, coach Barry at the time was, like, And I was, like, can I hit? Because I don't think I can do anything. He's like, no.
Rot rot rot rot rot. He was I mean, did he catch BoJack? Did he catch? Oh, okay. Like this little scrawny fuck.
I used scrawny.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So Oh, shit. So but I don't understand baseball. I mean, yeah.
I guess if you're if you're out fielder, it makes sense to be running, but shit. If you're a fucking 1st baseman, like some fat Prince Fielder type dude, you know? But Oh,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My my freshman year, I was 175.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. My freshman year of college, I was 275. And I I I had a little, I I had a little, thing on the roster that kinda looked like a little bit like a mugshot with my double chin and, like, you know, o o line. I played a year too, man.
I mean, I like it more than 2 days. I played I played I played a year of football in college. Where? FCS, Texas Southern. But it's actually HBCU.
So I was like a marshmallow and a sea of hot chocolate. That's what I call it.
Speaker 2: But, yeah. I mean, you certainly got, your school for free.
Speaker 1: No. I just prefer to walk on. I I had d two scholarships. I mean, you know, shit ton of NAIA, but fucking everybody gets those.
Speaker 2: And my my ex got preschool here at A&M that she was like. Really? She played sports. Oh, nice. Yeah.
Well, dude, it
Speaker 1: was kinda similar because my junior year, I was terrible in high school. Like, I was too 20 point center, but senior year, I've bulked up a little bit of 240 and I had a stellar season. But then I was preparing for college because I was potentially gonna walk on at U of H, University Houston. But, so I got up to 270 in the senior year and then a coach from Texas Southern walks in to go scout 1 of them, like, a sophomore or something. And I was working in the office at the time, so I was like, so I was like, you know, he's like, damn you take football and I'm like, yeah I did.
And I'm like, hey, we sent you my highlight tape. And he sees the highlight tape and he and he invites me on to be a preferred walk on a TSU, so worked out pretty well. I mean, whatever. But Congratulations. Thanks.
Congrats for being d one athlete here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We could just go walk in with, like, we could go walk in with, like, Damico Ryan's Texas coach and be like, hey. We're we're we're all d one athletes here.
Speaker 2: Nope. Nope. 2 2 days does not count.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't. Even though I played a year, I still played a 180 times more college sports
Speaker 2: than you did.
Speaker 1: But, Mhmm. Goddamn, man. If I was an alcoholic, we'd be shooting the shit in there right now. But, but, yeah, well, let's get this shit taken care of because, you know, you're a good dude. Let's fucking figure this out.
Speaker 2: I got food waiting to take on too.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna talk about some of the cheese pizza then. Okay? So, you get what I'm saying here. So you said it didn't start with, let's say, the cheese pizza, but pretty freely, I just heard, like, you know, I got some CP, I got some this and that. And, you know, I I know you you have the Telegram app too.
And, from all accounts, that's not the most kosher of apps.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's there's no CP, Telegram.
Speaker 1: Okay. So then the logical question is, where is it happening then?
Speaker 2: I don't have to. I just told you.
Speaker 1: Okay. But, I mean, people have offered it.
Speaker 2: Why would I I mean, no.
Speaker 1: Well, so kinda kinda my thing is that, you know, these chats were pretty, these chats were pretty, like, I'd say, escalated in a way a little bit risque. And, you know, I just asked like how this rabbit hole started and you said it just started with just conversations but then it went into like but, you know, it didn't start with like, here here's some young pictures, here's some you know, it didn't start with like this type of stuff, but I think over the years, it definitely could have escalated into that. I know
Speaker 2: I'm not taking. Mhmm. I'm not I'm not taking pictures. I'm not or accepting pictures or Okay. I mean, I I had a friend whose ex stepson showed him a picture of his girlfriend, and he was like, fuck.
You don't fucking show me that shit. Like, I'm not getting involved with that fucking shit. Obviously, I got 2 calls
Speaker 1: on Right. Right.
Speaker 2: That's not I mean, I'm not searching for whatever I want it.
Speaker 1: It's not
Speaker 2: something no.
Speaker 1: No. And I and I know that's not stuff that I know it's not stuff that you specifically wanted or you need to look for. But when the terms like, let me ask this. When did you start using the term minor attracting person when talking to people?
Speaker 2: I saw it on there. On on Whisper?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. So do you know when that was introduced to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like I said, it's fairly recent.
Speaker 1: Okay. Like, past 2 years type recently?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. I mean, maybe even a month. Oh, a month? Okay.
Speaker 1: So is this like a how how is it introduced the conversation? Like, who who is talking to you? The wrong whisper. Or what was who is who is that person representing themselves as?
Speaker 2: I mean, some of it is just, like, you'd scroll through and you see shit. I'm like, I don't wanna bug you sad when you look at it. You can talk about it, and then you ask them to go into conversations or roles.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you've seen other people on Whisper talking about maps? Okay. What have they said about it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, that's who they are. That's what they're interested in, etcetera. Okay.
Speaker 1: Got it. And these are, like, are these, like, comment threads? Are these, like, DMs? Like, how does that kinda work or both?
Speaker 2: Typically, it's, yeah, comment threads.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's just a bunch of people just saying, like, I'm a map. I'm a map type of
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Run through that. And then yeah.
You maybe you hit a DM, and you're like, oh, what are you talking about? Or, you know, what's this or what?
Speaker 1: Just kind of inquiring about what a map is? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2: And then figure that out and then yeah. Maybe rabbit hole so it works.
Speaker 1: For sure. So how how is Tolliver? Do you have, like, Instagram?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah. I do. I just don't use it very often.
Speaker 1: Okay. Does the Instagram kind of kind of have some of the similar conversation that this has, this WhisperChad? No. Okay. So how is Telegram introduced to you?
Prowl's your whisper? Yeah. Okay. Who who would have mentioned they had Telegram?
Speaker 2: Yeah. People say it all the time. I mean, there's people that use Telegram for all the time.
Speaker 1: So are there people on Telegram that talk to you? No. No? K. When do you think you since you first got introduced to Telegram?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I had it at one point, then I took it off, and I put it back on again.
Speaker 1: Okay. When do you when would you put it back on?
Speaker 2: Oh, recently. But there's no CP on it? There's porn on it. Okay. It's adult.
Speaker 1: Okay. Are these is this like a group like, is this a group setting type thing or okay.
Speaker 2: It's just things that people just post. Okay. Just like if you go to fucking port covers. Okay.
Speaker 1: Things that people post. I see. So what is that? So it's like a group chat type deal? Mhmm.
Okay.
Speaker 2: I just just just like I said, get a point of it or fucking whatever.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: It's just Okay.
Speaker 1: So it's basically like a group with wait. Okay. So it's like a group message type thing where people are posting porn? Yeah. Okay.
Got it. Do you know the difference between, like, a group chat and a channel?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, basically, like, this is this group that's posting porn, are you, like, subscribed to it in a way? Or are you, like, following the group? Or are you just in the group? Like
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Like, did you ever did you ever press, like, okay. Like, is is the group is the group basically like a channel type thing where it's only 1 person posting or is it multiple people posting?
Speaker 2: I don't know. As soon as it's multiple people, I'm not really looking at this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, half the time, I'm just like, whatever. Boring out. Bored out. I'm I don't even fucking play shit. I just look at
Speaker 1: it and laugh. I'm not. Got it. Got it. Is the porn, like, is it post like, as pictures, videos, both?
Or Both. Okay. Do they ever put, like, links in there too?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Generally, they do. But the couple channels, I guess, who you're gonna call them, they're Russian, so I can't fucking read them.
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you ever seen this link pop up called, like, Mega?
Speaker 2: Isn't that,
Speaker 1: make America great again? No. I'm just kidding. It's fucking
Speaker 2: Isn't isn't mega an act? Yes. But he can he can get shit, like, the I mean, like, you can you can use it for work till they're, like, send a bunch of fucking links and shit stuff
Speaker 1: for work and stuff like that. Yeah. So have you seen, like, people put put, like, mega links on the on my group?
Speaker 2: Not that I recall.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Possible. Okay. So it's something that I look for. It stands out to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do do you think maybe you've seen mega sporadically just kinda appear here and there over the years?
Speaker 2: I'm sure because I know what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Unless you're some fucking, you know, unless you're some AI computer.
Speaker 2: I am not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Beep beep. I'm so smart. I take vaccine. But, oh god, dude.
I dude, we become lifelong friends. I'm gonna make fun of that shit for you for the next 2 years before you die of heart attack.
Speaker 2: But, thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm gonna stop saying that.
Speaker 2: That's not to say. I joke about it every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. That's what I don't fucking understand.
Speaker 2: Like, you
Speaker 1: know, I made a joke about dementia the other day, Somebody was like, well, you know Gordon, my fucking grandpa died of dementia. Or is no. He's like, my dad
Speaker 2: die of dementia. You die with dementia.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Like, my grandpa died with dementia. Like or or I said died of dementia, but, like
Speaker 2: My grandmother's going through it right now. It's horrible. Yeah. But I just talked to her yesterday, and she was actually doing beep beep boop boop on the phone with me, which was making me feel good. Oh, I'm sorry.
She's 86. Hey.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she's around 86. This is definitely props.
Speaker 2: She's not a great.
Speaker 1: For sure. Okay. So have you ever heard of anybody talk about maps on any other app besides Whisper? Or No. No.
Okay. Got it. So I I do wanna ask Keith because, you know, there's a few times that, you know, yes, I always guess I liked your age but having a relationship isn't just sexual. And another message, you verbatim, you know, referred to yourself as a map. Whether you meant that or not, whatever, it's normalized.
Speaker 2: Part of the conversation, of talking to somebody like that. And so to be involved in conversation, you always do something, say something to make somebody else like you. Yeah. Of course.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're just telling me included
Speaker 2: it in competition.
Speaker 1: No. Absolutely. So yeah. Tell tell my girlfriend, yeah, division 1 football player. So would you oh, I'm getting a phone call right now.
See? But, okay. So, Keith, I'm just gonna be very reasonable with you here. Okay? I said Guinness Book of World Records, drinking, smoker, vaccinated, you're still here at 48.
But another Guinness Book of World Records would be you hear about maps on Whisper, you get Telegram HD from Whisper, from said maps, you're in a group on Telegram posting porn, you know what mega links are and it's a bunch of people in a group chat. You'd also be the 1st person to never see anybody post pictures of young people and that would, that's obviously just not the case because, of course, they're of course, they're doing that. Well, now, when I'm here, what I'm kinda gonna ask you is, I think I know the answer to this, but, obviously, bridges need to be crossed for reassurance purposes. Right? Or any pictures in those Telegram groups, do they belong to you as in you were behind the camera or it's
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Okay. So in that case, I'm willing to continue this conversation with you under that. I'll just call it the truth. I'm gonna take your word on that. I think you don't wanna bullshit me, and I think any any stuff that may have been said that might have not been the truth is I understand.
Okay? But like I said, I'm not here to judge you and what I here's what I care about. I said Kid Protectors USA. What I care about is finding the real kingpins of this type of stuff. You obviously have met some people online.
I'm willing to overlook messages with Emmy. You know why we you know why we called her Emmy? Because Emmy Awards for an actor. Okay? No.
I just came up with that. I have no idea. But, yeah, it would make sense. So I'm willing to overlook this shit. Okay?
But I because I think me and you together can kinda go attack the root problem of this, which I don't think the root problem is Emmy Tsang. She's 13. I think the root problem is people on Telegram and Whisper normalizing this shit to you. I think it's other adult adults that poison the well for you. I don't think it's this.
I think it's the Internet and not those other adults. So, you know, you're about to explain what a Megalink was, and then you're like, isn't it this? I'm like, yeah. It is that. Yeah.
Nobody's posting regular porn on mega links. I mean, you know, you have to think I'm fucking blooping and think of that. And then Telegram group chats. That's why I asked specifically, the channels or groups. Because what is group chats?
You mentioned Russian too? Man, oh, man. That rabbit hole is only a rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: No. I'll show it to you if you want. I mean, there's not a fucking child fucking thing, any of them.
Speaker 1: Okay. But what I'm basically saying
Speaker 2: is And they all say 18 plus or 21 plus.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, what I'm basically saying though is that when it comes to that type of stuff, I think there has been groups with bad apples in it that have posted some of that stuff. Maybe they've been kicked or not. But if I were to ask you, has anybody ever sent these younger pictures or videos of course, they have.
Speaker 2: More than likely is. It has been something that has fucked up.
Speaker 1: All of these groups?
Speaker 2: Maybe. I don't like I said, scroll through it. Usually,
Speaker 1: I can't
Speaker 2: recall any of them.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: Again, not stupid. More than likely somebody else. Whether or not they've been booed or kicked or fucking whatever.
Speaker 1: I saw you were just in the mix. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. I'm not the administrator or fucking Right.
Speaker 1: That'd be a different story. So let me just kinda ask you this directly, so we can kinda get a backstory here of how this rabbit hole could have been because even because I'm just gonna let you know, seeing something doesn't make you culpable. If you watch a house fire happen, that doesn't mean you you're the arsonist. We also have the video of 911, right, of planes. So they say hitting towers that, you know, may or may not have been missing, but, you know, whatever.
It's another conversation. We've all seen that video. It's not pleasant to us. Right? But we saw what happened in it.
And what I kinda wanna find is the producers.
Speaker 2: Alright. So if I see anything, you want me to let you know?
Speaker 1: Yes. But I also wanna talk about kinda what's been posted and what it hasn't been seen. Because you're not talking about being a map. You're not talking about this Telegram stuff without somebody posting it at least once. So, you know, I I don't doubt that you're looking for porn groups that are 18 plus.
I understand that. But I also know that when your toes are dipping in this type of water, there's always going to be sharks around doing some shit. Okay? So when do you think the first time somebody posted something like that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. And and living out here for a while Yeah. I really need to get home.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I ordered food for my girlfriend. I just you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Kenneth, this is an important conversation to have, man, because, you know, I I want assurance that you're not part of any of that, but, you know, I'm Kenneth, I'm I'm trying to reason with you, man. I given you a chance to actually separate yourself from the people doing this stuff. Okay?
Speaker 2: I understand. Thank you. Okay. I don't know what else to tell you.
Speaker 1: Okay. If
Speaker 2: I get send anything, give me your fucking email. I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, when get it. What when what are some times when someone has posted something like that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I can't recall it. Okay. As far as on his roof.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I can't recall it.
Speaker 1: Do you wanna show me his roof right now?
Speaker 2: French gloves. No problem. 21 plus, make it more again, it's all above 21. 18 plus. May I
Speaker 1: see that is a sex fire group? Scroll up.
Speaker 2: It's all in 10 plus. Okay.
Speaker 1: Can I see kick? No. Okay. So I think that's where it's going down. Okay.
I'm asking about kick, but I I know kick is I know kick is almost never 18 plus. Okay?
Speaker 2: No. It is.
Speaker 1: Okay. So But Okay. So when you were scrolling, Kenneth, on all the Telegram stuff obviously, I didn't see any Megalinks. Okay? That had to be posted somewhere.
Okay? So They don't have any Megalinks. Okay. Right. Right.
I understand. I'm not saying that you save them. I'm not saying that they're yours. Alright? But, basically, what we can kinda measure is we can see when stuff is sent to your phone.
Alright? It doesn't mean you saved it. It just means sent. We can see what goes in and goes out. Alright?
We see a lot more stuff that goes in than goes out. I I thought it was on Telegram. I know you had a Kik account, but it has to be on Kik then. Okay? So I'm just asking, Kenneth.
I care more about who's the head of the groups and where these photos are coming from. More than that, they're being seen. I don't give a fuck about that, Kenneth. I can go up to every single person in that bar and ask them about porn that they watch. You can ask me about porn that I watch.
Okay? That's that's what I don't give a fuck about. Alright? But we kinda have to figure out what how did how did the kick thing start? Like, because I I really do wanna help you get out of this shit.
Okay? Because we all know that's kick kick's the issue. I I was being led like a blind dog in Telegram when I see Telegram. It's obviously all 18 plus. Okay?
So who kinda introduced you to Kik?
Speaker 2: Again, found it through fucking Whisper.
Speaker 1: Okay. Is there some stuff on kick that you're seeing?
Speaker 2: In the past, there has been stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But that's not also I don't no. I don't talk to anybody out there, really.
Speaker 1: So what what I'm curious about, dude and, again, like, don't think I'm judging you because you're not the one taking the photos. I can't stress that enough to you. On Kik, was this young stuff being sent in group setting or was it sent, like, individually? Or
Speaker 2: No. I don't I don't talk to anybody. There has been stuff on here.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: There has. Okay. But it's not anything that I subscribe to.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And, generally, it gets taken down.
Speaker 1: Okay. But I'm asking, were these, like, in groups or individuals or both or groups? Okay. So, basically, what I thought Telegram was, but it was on Kik?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Fair enough. How recent get you in one of these?
Speaker 2: No. I haven't seen any pull up. Okay. But it does pop up on certain things that I look at every once in a while. And then, generally, the administrator or whatever takes it through, like, no.
You're booted.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it I'm just gonna try to reiterate this. You tell me if I'm wrong or right. So Kik has groups where it's porn groups, generally for 18 plus, there's bad apples that post the young stuff in. Right?
Speaker 2: And and, usually, they get booted right away.
Speaker 1: Okay. Fair enough. Have there been groups on Kik? And just be honest with me because there's no reason to lie because, you know, we can I mean, you have a shitty Android phone? We can easily go back and just look at every single thing.
Okay? Were there groups on Kik where it's just solely that type of stuff that they added you to?
Speaker 2: No. Okay.
Speaker 1: Were there groups on Kik where it was a combo of stuff? Where they just posted anything and everything? I don't think so. Okay. So there's been bad apples though?
Yeah. Okay. What languages are the bad apples typically speaking on Kik?
Speaker 2: Oh, English.
Speaker 1: English? Yeah. Okay. Got it. What are they kinda discussing?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's usually just, hey. Look at our I'm horny today. Oh, here's a picture. Oh, blah blah blah.
That's
Speaker 1: Okay. Were those bad apples posting videos, pictures, or both?
Speaker 2: Should be both. Yeah. Both. Okay. Generally, it's pictures, videos.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or movies. No. Were the videos always, like, sexual in nature?
Speaker 2: No. Yeah. I mean Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
But but but, I mean, like, were the videos, like were these, like, boys, girls, or both?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I mean, some jackass would, like, throw his dick up there or something like that or I mean, but I don't know. Okay. I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: ones of people under 18. Like, were those videos boys, girls both? Or
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I guess yeah. I yeah. I've seen, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Okay. So now what I wanna do is I kinda wanna try to because there's a few videos that we know of that may or may not have been sent to you. Not you, but as in groups that you might have been in. I kinda wanna try to backtrack them.
Okay? Because if we can kinda describe them, maybe we can match that to what we already have and kinda corroborate. You know what I mean? Because, again, I'm a 100 I'll bet my whole life savings you're not behind the camera on me. Okay?
So rest assured, please. Were the video how young or, like, what were the age range of these videos?
Speaker 2: I I've seen some pretty.
Speaker 1: Do you wanna say it or should I just ask?
Speaker 2: No. I don't really even wanna have this conversation.
Speaker 1: I I know it's hard to talk about, but you're actually helping saving kids by doing this. I hope you understand that. So did it go as young as, like, infant toddlers?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I guess, close enough. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1: Like, crawl crawling ages?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say crawling ages, but it'll be close enough to an exposed. Right? Yeah. But
Speaker 1: Like like like kindergarten, 1st grade? Maybe. Yes. Okay.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. And look, I know what may I ask you is tough. But, again, remembering and watching doesn't make you culpable. It's the people in the videos that I wanna go after here. Okay?
What's kinda happening to these 1st graders in the videos?
Speaker 2: It's really not something that I look at.
Speaker 1: So, like I understand. But I
Speaker 2: see something that young and I'm like, I don't know. Okay. But I come in yet. I see a cross, male or female or something. Yeah.
I'm like, okay. That's not Okay.
Speaker 1: What race would typically be posted? Or, like, was it all races? Like, is there anyone that popped up?
Speaker 2: Paying that much attention to it to to know. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, like, we can definitely see you know, obviously, we could see what comes in and we could see stuff that's clicked on. What's clicked on? Obviously, if you click on a picture of a pair of 25 or Wiltsina tits, that doesn't get dinged. But it gets dinged when we think it's younger stuff. Okay?
So I'm not naive that some of these videos are watched because we all watch Trainwreck. We all see horror movies. I don't look at a horror movie and think, oh my god. But we watch it because it's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Well, and then sometimes you're like, I don't know what that is. And you click on it and you're like, that's definitely not what I wanted for. It's in class. Right. So Five seconds of it, you're like or less than 5 seconds, done.
Oh. Right. So I was just clicked on it, took this like me and I'm sitting there watching.
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. But I guess, were there any videos of, like, what would be, like, elementary school kids with adults that they that these assholes were posting?
Speaker 2: I would say more than likely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. What about just solo ones where the kid is probably just masturbating?
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, if I just see a dick, I'm really not as collecting on it. So
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, what about
Speaker 2: Especially that young.
Speaker 1: Yes. I understand. But any any word like the
Speaker 2: That sounded weird. Like, oh, if it was a big dick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So it was a b if it was a BBC
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. I'll click on that.
Speaker 1: Right. Right.
Speaker 2: Really my cup of tea at all. So Okay.
Speaker 1: But any videos of, like, little girls just masturbating? Like, just solo videos like that? Or was it all just sex videos with the good little girls and adults?
Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I guess it's probably both. Both? Okay. I mean, again, it's not what I'm searching out, so it's not what I'm fucking sitting there for hours.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm just gonna ask you this, are there are there any times that on Kik that you've regretted your own activity on there or not somebody said something and you saw it for a second? Are there any times where do you think you've over indulged and were like, I shouldn't have I should not have done this?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Every day. Just like everybody does when they have a girlfriend. And they fucking watch porn and jerk off. Mhmm.
Yeah. Every time. Dude.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 1: Right. But were there any times where you you felt like a sense of like, were there any times that that somebody the under the younger stuff was viewed, that was the under 18 stuff, and you watch and you're like, I shouldn't have done that?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Every time you click on it, every time you see it. Yeah. Okay. Of course.
Speaker 1: Okay. Is this stuff that you were curious about and watched for a certain time? Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm gonna lightly counter you on that because you wouldn't be calling yourself a napp here talking about Okay.
So I also do wanna ask too because the Megalinks, did you see it on KICK or Instagram or is KICK on Telegram?
Speaker 2: I don't. Okay. That's fine. I'm all asking
Speaker 1: for Megawinks. But, you know, I'm trying to put it I'm trying to find oh, god. I'm gonna ask if you can identify this video for me. So there's a video that we know has been flowing around of on kick that looks like a looks about to be a 9 year old girl. She's brown skinned.
We'll try to find out if it's Indian or Spanish. You know what I mean? Just that type of shit. And she's giving what looks to be a blowjob to to an adult male. Is that something that you've seen maybe posted to something like that extent?
Speaker 2: No. I Okay. No. I I
Speaker 1: Okay. So the the videos with
Speaker 2: okay. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to phrase this. What do you think is the most common age that bad apples are posting just by eyeballing? Like, what's what's their what's their cup of tea that they're throwing in there? What what age group you think?
Speaker 2: Borderline. Like, could be 18.
Speaker 1: Sure. Okay. So that's their, like, that's their MO?
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. And that and that would be what I would have looked at. Mhmm. Okay.
When I see something yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Then no. So if it's borderline, I'm like, oh, that might be interesting. Okay. No. That's not Yeah.
Yeah. So So
Speaker 1: how how often do they post? Like, you mentioned, I told some really young stuff that really was fucked up. How often do one of the bad apples post something like that in there?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I mean, it's not like I get on there every day or anything.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So
Speaker 1: At least in your experience, how often is that stuff popping up? Rarely. Rarely? Like, what would be an occurrence? Like, how many times a month do you think?
Speaker 2: A couple.
Speaker 1: A couple times a month that happened?
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe, like, when you're scrolling through, reading through what people say, they're like, oh, that's fucked. Sorry. I'm glad you got rid of him. So there's something I missed that got taken off. Oh, okay.
That's cool. Okay.
Speaker 1: I see. Any times you've seen the pizza emoji being talked about or discussed like the more like he got pizza? Okay. Well, I mentioned we got talk about the cheese pizza and you're like, I'm like, do you know what I mean? And you said yes.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just assumed you meant, like, the thing that was put out in front of us right now. Like, I was just assuming you meant that. Okay. No. No clue what pizza slice pizza.
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you ever saw, like, a hashtag, like, PYT or anything like that?
Speaker 2: Pretty uninteresting. Yeah. And that goes back to, like, old school rap.
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you seen that, like, all in these kid groups or anything?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Okay. So I do wanna ask, like, when the Bad Apples post something that looks like that kindergarten, 1st grade range, With with the girls, like, what typically is going on in those videos?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, again, there's some sort of sexual acts going on or Okay. Something or maybe they're standing there or maybe they're prancing. I don't know. It doesn't last that much.
Okay. Move on to something else. Okay.
Speaker 1: And what about pictures of Biggos? Like, what are the pictures that people like of that stuff?
Speaker 2: Same thing. Just somebody standing there.
Speaker 1: Okay. So just a little kid standing here nude?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Might be. Okay. Might be. Or non nude.
Speaker 1: Or non nude? Yeah. Okay. Have you seen both nude and non nude of that supposed to?
Speaker 2: I mean, it it it happens. Yeah. Okay. But generally, it gets taken down. Okay.
Not it's not new.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Who takes down? The admins or the Kik app itself?
Speaker 2: Actually, I wouldn't know. I mean, I hear admin saying they're all like a lot. Kik probably does. Mhmm. God.
Does
Speaker 1: that more of fried pickles, by the way?
Speaker 2: They used oh, shit. I do believe I do. K. I love It's not one of my good toasts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. I love fucking fried fables. That's pretty fucking good. So what what got introduced to you first?
KICK or Telegram?
Speaker 2: Kik.
Speaker 1: Kik? Okay. What app would you say has been more rabbit hole y with this type of subject matter? Of course. Even more than Kik?
Yeah. Okay. So have people kinda
Speaker 2: because listener is more of a conversationalist that which is what alright. What that's what gets me. Mhmm. It's it's the talking and then me thinking at the end, like, this is probably a fat dude. This is probably he on the other end.
Like
Speaker 1: Oh, so he's just fadier than me. You can that's kinda redundant.
Speaker 2: Okay. I apologize. No.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: I mean fat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm both. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's like it's a it's a it's a fantasy fucking thing that I can push off to the side. That that doesn't fucking really mean anything to me as opposed to, like, somebody being hurt or something bad. You know? It's not
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not it's not with a
Speaker 2: It's a a a disassociative situation. Why? When when you're texting and talking, I don't believe it's really fucking true. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: So I wanna ask about this. Has anybody, on Kik hit you up individually, like, asking you to, like, trade or anything?
Speaker 2: Well, I I have a a no kidney. Like, you you can't just see anything. Okay. So Well, I mean, you can but I just ignore it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that no. I I mean, that's fine. But has anybody just asked you, like, trade or anything like that on kick?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it it happens a lot in the in certain groups whenever, like, trade, talk, whatever. I mean, I don't I don't ever. Okay. Yeah. I'm not great.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So people put out, like, group inquiries, like, trade, talk. Okay. Are the people putting out trade? Are they, like, females or males?
Speaker 2: Or you never know. I mean, there's out of 75% of them front of Fox.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. On Kik, what are, like, the languages being spoken inside of English? Like, any of that you've seen?
Speaker 2: It's a whole English, anything. Any groups or anything that you're out of at the end. It's very obvious some of them English is not their first language. Uh-huh. How they type things or whatever.
Speaker 1: Am horny.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Stupid things like that. Sure. Sure. Well And that's obviously somebody that I'm not gonna talk to anyway.
So Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Has anybody just DM'd you anyway asking to trade? Like, just without you even hitting them up? Or
Speaker 2: again, yeah, I I'm assuming so, but there there was automatically to I don't answer you. Okay. I just I have a I don't get DMs. Okay. So you just put it
Speaker 1: in the trash or something like that? Yeah. Okay. Got it. Have there been any roof on Kik where, like, to be a member of the group, you have to put it in yourself?
Like,
Speaker 2: put a picture in or something like that? Mhmm. Yeah. And I don't stay in those groups because I don't Okay. So they're like, yep.
You've been banned. You didn't put in anything. Okay. Okay. So yeah.
Those I don't know what goes on in those because I don't put in a picture.
Speaker 1: Okay. Are these groups, like, local Huntsville groups? Or are they, like
Speaker 2: You just type in porn or fucking girls with thigh highs or something like that. And the okay. Oh, there's a group and it's, I'll click on it, then it says you have to do something and alright. I'll get booted, so I'm not in that group. Mhmm.
Okay.
Speaker 1: Kenneth, I'm I'm like I I understand. We're kinda kinda scratching the surface here. I I really think that
Speaker 2: Crashing the surface.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shifting near and near. Well, no.
I I know. But, you know, Kenneth, there's no groups of over 18 porn where you have to post a porn picture because you could just so anybody could just find some boobies online just post. That takes 2 seconds. Okay? So the only groups where basically you have to post a picture are groups where they are posting me on your stuff.
Okay? And I asked about this. If it's local groups, which obviously I don't think there's is Huntsville Pizza Group. But, Pizza.
Speaker 2: Cheese Pizza, CP. Cheese Oh, cheese pizza. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Over my head. Yeah. Seriously. Okay, college graduate. But, No.
100% did not get that. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Got it. No. You're good, man. But those groups don't exist where you're like, oh, send your best fat ass big titty video. That doesn't exist.
Okay.
Speaker 2: Again, I wouldn't know because I said send something. Mhmm. And if I don't
Speaker 1: It's okay. But, you know, Kenneth, I I know you know that those groups are posting that younger stuff in there. Okay? And I'd rather just figure out what those group names are and kinda who's the admins of them rather than just try to question you on what's going on with
Speaker 2: those groups because we both know. Go in and search.
Speaker 1: Okay. What have you searched to find in groups like that?
Speaker 2: Whatever. Porn. Whatever. Because that means go in and say and they ask you to post 3 things before you're allowed to enter. I don't have 3 things to post, so I'm not gonna.
Okay. Did they specify
Speaker 1: what the things are? No. Post 3 things before you're allowed to enter. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2: Or before you can stay.
Speaker 1: Before you can stay. Okay.
Speaker 2: You enter the office.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, Kenneth, just be completely honest with me. Okay? Like, I'm really trying to work through with you on this. How many groups on Kik did they or add you to or that you just stumbled across that it was just pretty much meant for the younger stuff?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Give me your best guess.
Speaker 2: I don't I have no clue.
Speaker 1: Give me your best guess.
Speaker 2: I don't really know. Like, that's not what I was searching for.
Speaker 1: I understand. So even just stumbled across, you find yourself in a group where they're only posting that type of stuff?
Speaker 2: There is no groups that do that.
Speaker 1: Okay. Are there any groups that you noticed where they posted like a bigger portion of the younger stuff than other groups? Like, where there is more bad apples than usual? No. No?
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I generally get kicked out of groups very quickly Mhmm. Because I don't really talk in them much. Yeah. I don't really do a whole lot in them.
Uh-huh. So they go through and they're like, people that are lurking or people that are not responding or people that are not adding Sure. Get fucking booted. So I'm in there, and I look at stuff for a little while, and then I come back, you know, a week later Okay. And I've been fucking booted out today.
Speaker 1: Okay. I understand. Okay. Is there anything on kick, like any groups that you're in right now that you probably need to leave right now that you think like, basically, if I were to go into your Kik account and preserve it, and you see all activity in there currently right now. Do you think there's any that that we probably have to get out of to kinda separate yourself?
I mean, I think I know the answer to that. I can find that out.
Speaker 2: I'm probably sure girls with braces is bad. Girls with braces? Yeah. Okay. Probably a bad one.
Speaker 1: Oh, grandmas. Oh, that's girls with that would be girls with back braces.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Okay. So so I'm gonna I'm gonna do I'm gonna give you a sign of good faith here, Kenneth. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna throw these away.
Speaker 2: Not that you can't reprint them anytime.
Speaker 1: Well, I know. It's symbolic.
Speaker 2: My nigga. It's symbolic. Yes. I appreciate it. But, Symbology.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. But okay. Girls with braces aren't KITT. Okay.
Speaker 2: That tends to be a borderline sort of Okay. Situation. Yes. Okay. Generally, also, mostly non knit.
Speaker 1: Okay. But have there been bad apples in the girl's braces groove? Yeah. Okay. So were you that bad apple at any point?
No. Okay. So is other people posting it? Yes. Okay.
What's the kind of the age range you see posted in that group? The girls
Speaker 2: with 3? Like I said, generally, it's borderline.
Speaker 1: Okay. I get it generally, but, like, how how young has it gone in that group? So we don't ding borderline.
Speaker 2: It it might be, like, 14, 15. K. Again, mostly it's not new. Okay. Because they they don't get dinged.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. Yeah. We don't ding those either. I wouldn't know.
Okay. So are they posting some nudes of 14, 15 year olds in there sometimes?
Speaker 2: There probably has been. Okay. How often do you think? I I I honestly don't recall. Like, it's more not men than men.
Speaker 1: Okay. So if there's, let's say, if there's 10 photos of 15 year olds, 14 year olds, how many
Speaker 2: of those would be nude? 25.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you think maybe 1 out of every 20 posted is, like, a nude photo of it? 14 year olds?
Speaker 2: So so okay. May yeah. Rough gas. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: But it's for sure, semi occurring thing.
Speaker 2: Semi occurring. Yeah. I mean, 120 might be high. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: So it but but it's it's happened before. Yeah. It's happened before. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 2: So when And then, like I said, a lot of times when that happens, then, like, 5 minutes later, you'll see item not available. Sure. That if somebody has flagged it or said whatever, I guess, saying that.
Speaker 1: Okay. So are there any so when you talk about those videos of, like, 1st graders, 2nd graders, were those in that braces group or were they somewhere else?
Speaker 2: That had just been like it was random shit. And people were like, oh, I'm gonna throw this on there thinking that people are gonna be into it or something like that. And then usually people are like, fuck the hell. What the fuck is that? Okay.
And then it gets vulgar. They get booted. Look at that.
Speaker 1: Do you happen to know the names of people who posted that?
Speaker 2: Not at all. I don't pay attention. It's a group that I get in. And I don't even really talk to anybody or anything. I just don't look at shit.
Okay. Which is completely opposite from Whisper, but I don't look at those names either. I'm just Yeah. Yeah. Chatting with somebody.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I can kind of, we can kinda make that when when is the last time you think somebody posted something that was like, you know, because I get like 14, 15. I get technically that's like a new to the kid. I understand. But like, you know, there's there's there's kids by definition, then there's kids.
Right? When's the last time somebody post, like, an actual video of, like, a kid kid, some sexual act?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't recall because it's not it's not my cup of tea. I understand. I mean, I couldn't say it for a long time.
Speaker 1: Okay. When's your best guess the last time it could have been posted or?
Speaker 2: Months months. Okay. And, again, I don't even get old. So it's not like every day I'm, like, checking for the survey. Yeah.
So alright.
Speaker 1: Okay. So sometime in 2023, some Bozo posted something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Got it. Who introduced you to the Girls With Braces group? I Googled it.
Speaker 2: Or not. I Googled it. I searched it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So you searched girls with braces?
Speaker 2: No. I searched something similar, like, high Okay. And that was some good. So Oh, that's cute. I'm gonna look at it.
Speaker 1: Got it. Got it. Well, is there anything saved on your phone that we need to get rid of, like, image wise? No. It would all be sitting on kick, you think?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: How's it going, sir? Too bad. Basically, we're just having a conversation here with, with Kenneth. Basically, you said some regrettable things to a 13 year old girl. Is that true?
Yes. Okay. And you've been in kid groups that they've been posting nudes of people under 18. Is that correct? Yes.
Okay. And you're currently in some groups that could have that stuff? That
Speaker 2: did through previous times, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Okay. But you're in a group kit you're in a kit group called, Girls With Braces where they posted nudes of 14 year olds. Is that what you just told me? Yes or no?
Speaker 2: Did it it had happened previous.
Speaker 1: Okay. Got a
Speaker 2: chance on top of your head. Do we
Speaker 1: know each other? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's You're,
Speaker 2: I'm a hold the left here. Oh, absolutely. Right. It's a razor. Don't get
Speaker 1: a good angle?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Here. That. Alright. Where's Pamela?
He's over there. Oh, it's pretty common.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Please
Speaker 2: open That was in here.
Speaker 1: Like I said, no.
Speaker 2: Did you leave play? That's weird.
Speaker 1: Is it Shaver or Gilbert? I'm not sure. They they all call. Okay.
Speaker 2: What's his
Speaker 1: name? His name is Kedid from Oh, I'm sorry. Or Okay. D k or h e y.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll send you over. Did you mail them? Yeah. Yeah.
He lives in
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Nice to go. Yeah. Daddy said, you know, on one tick that he's viewed how 1400% she was. He says he's probably in a group with.
Speaker 2: My first point, they can see the.
Speaker 1: He said he's seen both, but I think it's more like I think that I think Yeah. But I think that was more of, like, he just happened to be there when it was posted. I think he's into girls of any age. I gotcha. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He
Speaker 1: how long is he gonna join all
Speaker 2: of you talking about?
Speaker 1: Well, we actually oh, RJ didn't actually decoy this. This was handed to us by another team. Okay. So I'd have to get get all that info for you. Approximately, a month.
A month or so? Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: What is is it just a phone app? K I k. Kik is it's like a group messaging app.
Speaker 2: Okay. So
Speaker 1: or like a It's kinda
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Similar. Similar. The description.
Yeah. Have have his username on kick? No.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know he had a kick till tonight. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is that probably gonna be on his phone?
Speaker 1: It will be on his phone. Yeah. He's on his phone. Car. Okay.
Yeah. You got it. Yeah. It's a Micron Plus. He gave that access to it.
Yeah. In that case, kick his or his phone. What
Speaker 2: part is he driving?
Speaker 1: He drove, oh, yeah. This car right here.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Do a laptop in here? Okay. Yeah. He was, stingy about what he would admit to, but if he said that, there's 10 times more than what he said. Oh, yeah.
That's what it
Speaker 2: is. K. Well, thanks for that. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: No
Speaker 2: laptop.
Speaker 1: The best thing to do here a little bit, don't don't do a little spot. You you know the drill. Yeah. Spot thing, and we'll see
Speaker 2: if we go from there.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll let
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Sex offender tries to babysit and mo*est an 8-year-old and gets arrested... 📍Cullman, Alabama https://t.co/bth9phFWgC
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The video transcript features a conversation between a predator and a predator hunter. The predator admits to being a registered sex offender and discusses his interest in child pornography and molesting children. The predator hunter confronts him about his actions and intentions. The police are called, and the predator is apprehended. The transcript highlights the predator's disturbing mindset and his lack of remorse. The predator hunter emphasizes the importance of protecting children and ensuring that predators like him are held accountable for their actions.
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Speaker 0: Hey. What's up?
Speaker 1: Just a
Speaker 0: firm handshake, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I sent an old selfie. I have a beard now, and I'm a little bit fatter.
It's good. Yeah. We can just wait for Hannah. You can have a seat. Okay.
Speaker 1: I thought she's gonna go straight to breakfast.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, where'd you wanna get some lunch or something? Get you some food or whatever?
Speaker 1: I I did. Okay. Shortly after you called me the first time,
Speaker 2: I got myself.
Speaker 0: Oh, nice. Well, she'll be here in, like, 5 minutes. Okay. Yeah. Cheers.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Well, so how you been, man?
Speaker 1: Pretty good. I left home kind of in a hurry. I've been hitchhiking. I was going to go to Las Vegas. Mhmm.
But then Hannah called asking if I still wanted a job. And Yeah. I I I do and I don't Okay. Because I I love being around kids. Right.
Right. And everything. I've watched them before. It's an easy job.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I also wanna experience the excitement of Vegas. My dad told me there's a lot of job opportunities out there.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, I I I've been to Vegas like a couple of months ago and I could tell you like the jobs there are for super rich or very poor. And, you know, Hannah is trying to offer you maybe $20 an hour. So that's why I like, you know, I don't know what you can get in Vegas with that. And then, Vegas is expensive to live to.
Speaker 1: Actually, he told me that because of the dealers that there's a lot of affordable housing.
Speaker 0: Oh, really? Okay. Well, I didn't even know that. That's cool, man. I see.
I see. So, just to kind of, clarify some things. Okay. Joseph, I have the messages ahead
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 0: Alright? Of everything that was said. Okay? So I just wanna have a conversation about it. Alright?
And I know you're a good dude and everything. But,
Speaker 1: First, when I said that, I was trying to scare her because, like I said, I'm planning on going to Vegas.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And I was saying something that I thought for sure would shock her and for sure will.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. What I didn't read I just know something was so what what did y'all talk about?
Speaker 1: What we talked about, what she does, where I was at at the time. Mhmm. I told her that I was homeless. I thought you had that all that.
Speaker 0: Say again?
Speaker 1: I thought you had
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 0: We have all of it here. Did was there anything you think I could be maybe asking you about?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I you're gonna meet it anyway, so I might as well tell you. Sure. There was a point in there where I said that, I would probably put my hands on the kids. Okay.
Like I said, you know, just push her away. Right. It's scary. Yeah. And it it seemed to work.
Yeah. Got it. Got it.
Speaker 0: And how old are her kids?
Speaker 1: She said 8 and 2.
Speaker 0: 8 and 2? Yeah. God. Come on. Sir, is there a way you can lower the music?
I have social anxiety from hearing the music. Can you just turn it off, please? It's Okay. Can do you think it's it's
Speaker 2: like my social anxiety, it's like
Speaker 0: can can you can you maybe can someone ask him to turn it off, please? It's like kinda making me crazy. Just go ask him. Go ask him. Go ask him.
No. Copyright. Copyright. Copyright.
Speaker 1: I don't,
Speaker 0: I don't know. Go ask me. Turn the fucking music off. We're gonna get copyright struck. Oh god.
Yeah. Just just just no. No. No. The pilot.
Oh my god. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: God. Oh. Oh, god. Yeah. It's, like, hurting my ears.
It's hurting my ears. I'm gonna see if I could turn off. If not, we can just go outside. Okay? Okay.
Oh god. Are you gonna be okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I think so. Just just just the
Speaker 1: beat just the beat just the beat.
Speaker 2: I don't
Speaker 0: know why you play music so loud. I know, but I'm gonna be in conversation.
Speaker 2: What kind
Speaker 1: of music do you like? Okay. I don't really
Speaker 2: give any gospel.
Speaker 0: Right. Not much of it.
Speaker 2: Other than
Speaker 1: that, rest is pretty good.
Speaker 0: You like like rocket stuff? Cool. Cool. Like Stonehill Pilots?
Speaker 1: I don't know too much about them, but if I heard some of their stuff, I could probably tell you. Okay.
Speaker 0: You probably heard this song Plush before maybe. I mean, they're they have a few familiar songs. But, oh, god. Yeah. Maybe we'll we'll see if they can turn it off.
If not, we can just go outside. Okay? Yeah. We'll we'll just wait. Don't mind.
Oh, god. What did you have to eat at Wendy?
Speaker 1: Actually, I don't see
Speaker 0: Oh, got it. Okay. Well, if it's not raining, we can just go outside if you don't mind. Goddamn it, man. Yeah.
You're right. Okay.
Speaker 1: Did everything that we said between this?
Speaker 0: Well, Hannah just kinda brought it up to me and, you know, there's just some stuff to kinda go over, I think. So, yeah, it was mentioned that, like, what what what were the stuff that were talked about that was said would be done to the kids? Just
Speaker 1: that I I would touch.
Speaker 0: Okay. I've
Speaker 1: never actually heard them.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Never actually touch them inappropriately or anything like that. It was purely the pushover.
Speaker 0: Okay. I understand. So there are some other things to that are kinda because, you know, I know you're a good dude and, you know, what you told Hannah is you got falsely accused of being on the sex offender registry and stuff. I did. And, you know, no matter what, I think false accusations are the worst thing on earth.
Like, I've been falsely accused of stealing. Been falsely accused of cheating and all this type of crap. And, you know, it's
Speaker 1: Why am I being bored?
Speaker 0: I'm a bigger guy just for safety. Okay. Yeah. No. No.
No. It's like, I just don't want you to think like I'm coming up on you like anything like that. Oh, all of them. But, you know, I'm not here to hurt you or I'm not holding you here. Okay?
Alright. But, you know, obviously, people can get some of the wrong idea about some of the stuff just because you are on the registry and this and that. So what's kind of the deal with, like, kind of the stuff in your Facebook following and on these certain apps like Telegram, Viber, and all that type of stuff?
Speaker 1: Well, there's no doubt that I appreciate you
Speaker 0: Sure. That's kinda what I'm trying to figure out. Is it, like, just an appreciation or is it, like, malicious or No. Only. Just an appreciation?
Okay. So nudity in many forms. What does that mean? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I said beauty.
Speaker 0: Oh, beauty in many forms. Got it. Got it. What does that kinda mean?
Speaker 1: I see beauty in all kinds of things. Sure. In nature, in people, children too.
Speaker 0: That's fair. As I think most mothers do too. But do you do you think cause you know, I know when you tell me that, you know, you see beauty in children. I know that it's just kinda look and to kind of appreciate. But other people might look at that and be like, woah.
This guy is a sex offender. And you know what I mean? It could it could get the wrong idea. So that's why I kinda wanna, like, untangle you from all that. Just get some clarification.
So when when you say beauty in all forms, with children, like, where is this kinda being posted on? Like, I know you have Viber and any other apps where they're kinda like that?
Speaker 1: Well, I had the I actually got rid of my private messaging app. You can look at my phone. They're not there. I had that, WhatsApp, Telegram.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you are.
Speaker 0: Okay. Is Viber the only one you have now?
Speaker 1: No. Got rid of it.
Speaker 0: Okay. When did you get rid of it?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A couple days ago.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Got it. Elliot, we can stand under the covering there. Come on. Put the camera on the dashboard so it stays still.
That's better. My name is actually Gordon Butler. Not too bad. I don't know. Sure.
Sure. So how how did they kinda or how did you kinda get looped into, like, these private messaging apps like Viber, Telegram, and all that?
Speaker 1: Team on Facebook, and there you have an invite code. You click on the code, and it
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. So is it, like, private chats or groups or both? Or
Speaker 1: mostly groups.
Speaker 0: Fair enough. How many people are usually in these groups? There are 1 different 100. Oh, God. There's 100 of people.
Jeez, Louise, like a little it's like a high school reunion. So I do have a question because, you know, obviously, we wanna get the right idea. No. You wanna we wanna just clarify things and stuff. Like, did you make any of these groups yourself?
Okay. I figured. I figured. What do they kinda post in the groups? I'm not judging.
I'm just asking.
Speaker 1: They have children disclosing me. They also have children engaged in sex acts.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 1: Skip over those.
Speaker 0: Fair enough. Fair enough. So what do you just just clarifying because like I said, there's definitely a difference between appreciation versus versus maliciousness. And that's what we're trying to decipher here. What do you look at in the groups?
Just honestly.
Speaker 1: The nudity. Just the nudity? Okay.
Speaker 0: Of the, children?
Speaker 1: Yeah. You are you still looking?
Speaker 0: No. No. I just wanna, like no.
Speaker 2: With
Speaker 0: them? No, man. Just, obviously, when, you know, their stuff said, you just wanna kinda decipher and just make sure we get clarification.
Speaker 1: I have a resisting Hannah that I do what it is. She's beautiful. Oh, yeah. I'd love to be able to have a relationship with her.
Speaker 0: Oh, that's cool, man. That's awesome. Yeah. Because, you know, she is a single mom and, you know, she kind of, you know, happened with the ex. So Yeah.
She told well, he was kind of, he he was kind of abusive in a way, and then, you know, 2 years ago, he passed on from, you know, pancreatic cancer. Yeah. But, anyway so I'm curious about these groups because, obviously, you know, it seems like there's actual bad people in there, not you.
Speaker 2: You seem
Speaker 1: like you're really concerned about her safety.
Speaker 0: I am. I am. And you know what? I'm concerned about yours too. And you you know, when when I heard your story about being a falsely accused sex offender, it's just it's ridiculous to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I will drop an eye or if if you're
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had gone home for a few months. And prior to that, as a juvenile, I had done stuff with my brother. Mhmm. Out of curiosity Where
Speaker 0: in Iowa are you from? Texas. What what part? I've been there before. You've been in Jewel before?
Speaker 1: I've heard of it, but I never actually
Speaker 2: moved there.
Speaker 0: It's, like, 45 minutes north of Ames.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I got a cousin named Kevin Cook there. Yeah. But he's walked up for some shit. Yeah.
Yeah. He's kind of the cast off.
Speaker 1: I always seem to be pretty good at that. I'm
Speaker 0: not gonna be blunt. For bullshit. 100%. 100%. In his case, I don't think it was BS, though.
I mean, he for sure did it, but, you know, he's just kind of a an addict in a way.
Speaker 1: But, anyway, I was there for about 4 months, and absolutely nothing happened.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: It. You said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you failed. Oh, man. It was because I was angry.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Nervous. Angry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They didn't have any evidence against me, but they still were able to convict me and whatnot. I gave
Speaker 0: just. Oh god. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: After that, After that, I got out, came back to Florida in 03. Mhmm. Got picked
Speaker 2: up again for petty theft. They upgraded to a felony because I've been caught before. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Got picked up again for caught before, and I was here before. Yeah. Yeah. There. But Yeah.
So I did a young man. Mhmm. Got picked up again for petty theft. They upgraded to a felony because I've been caught before, and I was here before. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So I did the other day there, and then when I was trying to get out, they evaluated me for this kind of civil commitment. Right. And I was found to meet the criteria Mhmm.
And did almost 18 years there. 3 months shy of 18
Speaker 2: years. Wait.
Speaker 0: You said say again, 3 months out of 18 years?
Speaker 1: 3 months shy of 18 years.
Speaker 0: You were 18 years in like a in like a mental facility? Oh, God. When did you get out? December 21. Have you been, like, working since then and stuff?
Or
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a job for about a year. Nice. But they, they went out of business, and so I haven't had a job for about 4 months now.
Speaker 0: Okay. What did you do before, trying to babysit?
Speaker 1: I watched my brothers when they were growing up.
Speaker 0: Oh, nice.
Speaker 2: How How old
Speaker 0: are your brothers? Now? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The older one is 6 years younger than me. Okay. And the youngest one is 9 years
Speaker 0: Nice, man. Well, okay. Well, that's I mean, it seems like you actually have a good relationship with them and you just were there for them and it's crazy that they just turned that against you. And that's not what I'm here for. So about the people on Viber though, because you said you you skip over a lot of stuff Probably because there's bad people posting, I assume.
What are the age ranges they're posting in these groups, like, on these types of apps?
Speaker 1: I see babies as young as newborns all the way up to 70. Newborns?
Speaker 0: Are these like oh, my God. People are
Speaker 1: into that shit?
Speaker 0: Are these like videos, pictures, or both of them? Okay. I'm sorry. I I hate to ask you to relive this, but we we can wait till he passes. I'm I I don't want to be over here for their sake.
So what? I'm I'm sorry. This is just kind of I mean, I get it. Like, there's videos of I'm
Speaker 1: not into the sex thing.
Speaker 0: Right. The
Speaker 1: appreciation of who Yeah. The
Speaker 2: continuity. Sure.
Speaker 0: Sure. And
Speaker 1: I don't look at those newborns out now. No. I know
Speaker 0: you don't. But, you know, just because we see somebody light something on fire doesn't mean we agree with it. But if we see it, we see it. Right? So, what I mean, I know you're not into it and I'm only asking you because we're gonna need to go after these people together.
What happens in the videos of the newborn?
Speaker 1: I've seen some pretty sick shit. Okay. That. I don't know if you really wanna hear it.
Speaker 0: For the kids, we should. For the kids, we should.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna say maybe, well, you see a lot of the same stuff that you see in the name
Speaker 0: To newborns? What's the sickest you've seen to a newborn on a video?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about any penetration.
Speaker 0: What? They still be, like, umbilical cord? No. Okay. Who's are the newborns usually, like, boys or girls or both?
Or Wow. Who's usually doing the molesting? Is it the is it a was it a mom or a or a guy? Or Oh, Jesus. And they're just posting this on these apps willy nilly.
Okay. If you had to guess, like, which app do you think that stuff is the most prevalent on? Okay. What are some of the other apps?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 0: Fair enough. There's a little bit.
Speaker 1: Some some have called.
Speaker 0: Say again?
Speaker 1: Some weird name, inbox or something like that.
Speaker 0: Okay. Try to figure that one out. What about Telegram?
Speaker 1: I've been banned from Telegram and One Time.
Speaker 0: Oh, god.
Speaker 1: I'm posting anything.
Speaker 0: Uh-huh. But it's
Speaker 1: just from receiving. Someone.
Speaker 0: Oh, really? Oh, god. Receiving so much, like, in groups or from individuals? Okay. How many group
Speaker 1: Whatever you did, well, they'll actually automatically send it straight to your phone. Oh,
Speaker 0: Oh, really? Say again?
Speaker 1: I had to delete a lot of stuff.
Speaker 0: Fair enough, man. Just from just from that regular regular ass phone you have right now? Wait. What? Wait.
Just re wait. Just from that regular phone you have right now?
Speaker 1: Oh, no.
Speaker 2: Do you
Speaker 0: have any oh,
Speaker 1: oh, oh, no. I don't have anything.
Speaker 0: No. No. You don't have
Speaker 2: to share. You can
Speaker 0: put it up. I trust you. Wait. But they they've sent stuff to that phone, like, automatically? Yeah.
What is it?
Speaker 1: Well, with with that whatever it is, whether it's porn or cartoons or anything that you
Speaker 0: get Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: And what's that, as soon as it's posted on the the group and you're just scrolling. Yeah. It automatically goes to your home.
Speaker 0: No way. So these crazy
Speaker 1: use WhatsApp before?
Speaker 0: No. I had a I had a coworker one time over in England and we used literally just Facebook Messenger to talk. So Yeah. But that's crazy. So even these crazy ass videos of newborns like saved to your phone, you had deleted issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I definitely don't do anything.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No kidding. How much I mean, just me being curious here. How many pictures and videos you think you deleted in total? 1000?
Holy shit. Goddamn. That's crazy. So they really just banned you from WhatsApp and Telegram for just simply being around when it's posted?
Speaker 1: Wow. Which is why Yeah.
Speaker 0: Say again. It'll be for the best video. Yeah. That's fair. Did they usually post these videos, like, was it links to the videos or they post the videos in the chats or how'd that work?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Post them in the chat itself.
Speaker 0: What about, like, mega links? Do they ever post mega links in the chats? Sometimes. Okay.
Speaker 1: But I never visited that.
Speaker 0: Okay. You were just kinda looking at shit that was just in the chat? Okay. I'm just straight up asking here because, you know, I know a little bit about it. I've watched a few documentaries on kind of this type of stuff.
Were there any groups that they made you join or they made you post stuff to stay in the group?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Okay. How'd that kinda go? Group
Speaker 1: site there, but
Speaker 0: So what how'd that kinda go? Like, what what's kind of the how does that kinda go down?
Speaker 1: They'll let you in there for a little while, but it's doing both of them.
Speaker 0: Okay. How many times, you know, I get just wanting to stay in the group, you know, if we can do things to kind of, you know, peer pressure and just kind of fitting in. How many times do they have you sent stuff in the groups?
Speaker 1: Never did.
Speaker 0: Never did. Just kind of look around. Okay. Just curious here. And again, because like I said, I totally understand there's a difference between maliciousness and appreciating beauty.
What are some of the ages of beauty you appreciate? Like, that you kind of look at in the groups? Just asking. I'm not I'm not judging, dude.
Speaker 1: Well, how are you? I'm not getting the job anymore.
Speaker 0: We're still open to that, but, you know, it's just kind of a true thing, you know. We just wanna we just wanna know who we're hiring here.
Speaker 1: I'm like about 5 years old.
Speaker 0: 5 years old on up? Okay. Jeez, Louise.
Speaker 1: So I Look. Those kids are safe. I promise Yeah. I will not touch them.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. Right. Right. So I I I do wanna ask about that because you know, the the internet can put shit into people's mind, you know, to go do things or this or that.
So it looks to me that Hannah was kind of either playing along or she was interested in what you were kind of saying about that? Is that kind of right or?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which party you're targeting right now because you did go there.
Speaker 0: Some yeah. I look at the port where I looked at the port where, you know, y'all talked about kind of, you know, the the touching part. So here we're saying, look, I'd love to babysit your kids, babe, but I almost certainly will use that opportunity to touch them sexually. If you're okay with that.
Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to push her away.
Speaker 0: Okay. And, I can't imagine you are, then I'll get that ride from your cousin. And she says if you can make closer to Gunthersville, my cousin can pick you up from there. And she said, I've always thought about it, but never gone past more than touching. And you said, sure.
We can explore that if you want. She's, yeah. I'm down. How do you wanna touch them? And, here we said on your end.
All between their legs and licking them all over. But, don't think that I'll neglect you. I'll be doing the same thing with you. So, what does that kind of mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to say it. I I
Speaker 2: I don't know how else to say it.
Speaker 1: I I was really trying to just get her to stop asking me because I I didn't think that I was gonna be a good fit. And it's the only way I can think of. Okay. And because of my past, because of the fact that I am a registered sex offender Mhmm. I I thought that any sane woman would be out of her mind to wanna hire somebody out of her.
Speaker 0: Okay. So why did you post an ad on Facebook basically advertising that I wanna babysit kids?
Speaker 1: Well, it does pay well, and I really do think that I can control myself. Yeah. And when I start feeling like somebody might be trying to scam me or take advantage of me, that's when I retaliate and start saying stuff like that.
Speaker 0: Okay. Because you said the reason you ended up blocking was because she had you text Jewel's 8 year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I all I said on there was, hi there, and can you talk?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: she stopped talking.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So it kinda did that that kinda, like, spook you a little bit?
Speaker 1: Well, it made me wonder because as soon as she started texting me, her mother stopped texting me. And I'm thinking, well, are they decent people, or are they is one and the same person? Am I being scammed here? Like, you know, something going
Speaker 0: on? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that was actually the reason why I had dropped it because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't
Speaker 1: have time for this. I had to go somewhere.
Speaker 0: Fair enough. Fair enough. So, just just be fully honest because, you know, to to me this is this is my thing and look, all I can say is you're talking to the person gonna judge you the least that actually understands. Like, we all have urges and we all have hormones. And, just because we have urges and hormones that are just created, just given to us when we're born, that doesn't make us bad people.
But what makes us good or bad is being honest about things. Okay? Because everybody makes mistakes. Everybody has urges they're not proud of. But it's about I want
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but I also wanna shed myself in the best life of consciousness.
Speaker 0: 100%. But to me, unless you tell me that you've killed 5 people, they're all buried in your backyard. Okay. Alright. That okay.
Well, there's nothing you can say that'll make me look down on you except if you're except if we're not honest with each other. So my personal thing is, you know, you told Hannah and I fully believe you didn't wanna hurt any kids, but do I think that maybe you wanted to explore with them sexually if they're interested in it or if Hannah was interested in it? Absolutely. And that's what I just want some clarity and honesty about how that was gonna go down or how ideally it was gonna go down. That's all.
I know you're not gonna hurt them physically or rape them or anything like that, but I'm kinda
Speaker 1: I think I might need some clarity. What exactly are you trying to say?
Speaker 0: Just kind of a what truly were you are you hoping or were you hoping would go down with you and her kids? Just being just be honest because I know you have those urges, but I just wanna see how far those urge would have taken you and if they were gonna get hurt or not, that type of stuff. I don't think they are, but
Speaker 1: I'm just asking. Just wondering. When I was 15 Mhmm. This is what got the whole thing started.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had tried to perform oral sex on my brother.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: That's actually the most that I've ever done Mhmm. The most that I've ever wanted to do for any time. Okay. I fully understand the whole wanting to protect kids.
Speaker 0: And I think you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, parents Yeah. And relatives of kids.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't ever want somebody to think that I will hurt their kids. I can't say that I absolutely would not ever do that. Mhmm. But if I felt like that's definitely out of the question
Speaker 2: Mhmm. Then it's
Speaker 1: out of the question.
Speaker 0: So what do you think is the farthest it could have possibly gone with her kids and you?
Speaker 1: What
Speaker 0: would have been it?
Speaker 1: Upsetting.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got it. Is that Julie and the 2 year old or just honestly?
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. I couldn't honestly tell you.
Speaker 0: Okay. Is it more maybe just Julie for sure than maybe the 2?
Speaker 1: She's really pretty. Yeah. How
Speaker 0: old is she?
Speaker 1: I know you know.
Speaker 0: Obviously, you know. How old
Speaker 2: is she?
Speaker 1: Hannah told me she's 8 years old.
Speaker 0: 8 years old. Yeah. I appreciate your honesty. That's it. Okay.
So you wouldn't go as far as penetrating, which would be oral sex on Julie if
Speaker 1: No. I understand that penetration is very painful at every time.
Speaker 0: Okay. What do you think wants you to what do you what do you think it is that makes you wanna give oral sex to an 8 year old? Show her pleasure. Show her pleasure? Okay.
Would you have wanted that reciprocated onto you?
Speaker 1: It really depends.
Speaker 0: That's fair enough to me. So how many I guess, besides your brother, how many kids have you kinda tried to give pleasure to or what's that?
Speaker 1: I think kids are my same age.
Speaker 0: Okay. What's the biggest age gap you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, the youngest that I ever actually got in is getting anything from Mhmm. To 12 when I was 20.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: But my brother was there at the time. Yeah. And I didn't trust him not to say anything.
Speaker 0: Yeah. For sure.
Speaker 1: Nothing into happening.
Speaker 0: What did you try to do?
Speaker 1: I was just gonna touch you, but I never got the chance.
Speaker 0: Fair enough.
Speaker 1: I told my brother. I said, why don't you go out for a little bit? And he was playing video games, so he said, no, I'm playing video games, man.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Got it. What's the biggest age gap something actually happened with between you and a kid?
Speaker 1: 6 years. Me and
Speaker 2: my brother.
Speaker 0: Oh, really?
Speaker 1: No. I was 15 years old.
Speaker 0: Okay. What did you do to him?
Speaker 1: I tried to form oral sex on him and he pulled away and that was it. And then we're driving again.
Speaker 0: So they put you on the registry for, they put you on the registry for, that? No.
Speaker 1: I was falsely accused of raping, but I didn't. Mhmm. Like I said, there was no evidence.
Speaker 0: Right. So, yeah. Okay. Golly. I don't think Wendy's has fried pickles anymore.
I wish I could I could turn over some fried pickles right now. I love them. So I have to ask about one thing and, you know, we'll we can, of course, get it sorted. You said you deleted Viber a few days ago? Okay.
But I'm just telling you, we saw you online, like, an hour ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's alright. But I didn't go to any private messaging.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Okay. Got it. What do you mean? Me and Anna.
Oh. We have your contact saved, so we have Viber too. Okay. So you were just online on Viber, but not looking at anything?
Speaker 1: I haven't been on Viber right now. I promise. It's not even It's all in alphabetical order. I see. Got it.
I've been on Facebook. I've been on SMS. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Oh, you can put it up. I trust you. I see. But how come it would have shown you were on Viber this morning and an hour ago?
Speaker 1: Oh, now it could be that they're still sending me, messages because I didn't actually, leave the groups.
Speaker 0: Got it. Oh, you just got rid of the app? Fair enough. What about, like, the dark web? You go on there at all?
Speaker 1: I have in the past. Okay. I have decent things.
Speaker 0: Okay. Is that what the Torrance app is? Fair enough. What's on the dark web?
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of CD on there. Okay. And I I have checked it out. Mhmm. I just saw the a lot of the not new stuff too because I I actually get pictures from there, and I, in the past, posted some of those on Facebook.
Speaker 0: Like the nudes? No. No. Oh, just the non nudes? Got it.
Is there, nudity on the dark web
Speaker 1: though too? Oh,
Speaker 0: shit. Okay. Okay. Have you ever talked online with, pedo moms and pedo dads? I probably have.
Why? Just curious, like, what did, like, how would those conversations go? Where'd you find them? That type of stuff.
Speaker 1: Probably, on Facebook because there's a bunch of there's a bunch of pedophiles on there too. Yeah. And they'll put themselves out there with the NAMS flag for the birthday.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Do you consider yourself a pedophile?
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 0: Alright. Do you, you know, just between us, do you take pleasure in it? Do you? Yeah. Or indulging in it?
Well
Speaker 1: I don't advertise it. I don't go in the middle of town and you start saying you just, you know, the top of my lungs down.
Speaker 0: What do you take pleasure in with being a fellow? Like, what do you like about it? I don't know. You define your so you think pedophilia defines who you are? Just ask me.
Speaker 2: Part of it.
Speaker 0: Part of it.
Speaker 1: I'm more than me. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Do you think pedophile comes before anything else? Just honestly? No? Okay.
Speaker 1: I think trying to make something of yourself is.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. Do any of your parents or family know you're a pedophile? Well, that's true.
Speaker 1: And probably most of my family.
Speaker 0: Got it. What do they think about it?
Speaker 1: Well, everybody on the mother's side is disowned ever since my previous charge.
Speaker 0: Makes sense. Makes sense. Wow. That is a that is quite interesting. Quite interesting.
So how long have you kind of been looking at child porn for? Like, when when did you first look at it and how long has it been?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very busy.
Speaker 0: No. No. I'm just I'm fully curious because I think under understanding your mind would kind of destigmatize, destigmatize the negative connotations of maps. No. No.
I think, I think it would de I I think kind of understanding how you think would destigmatize the negative connotations. So You
Speaker 1: know what man says.
Speaker 0: Well, I have Twitter. I mean, you know, you see that shit posted all the time. You see, you see, oh, liberal professor saying, minor attracted person. So, yeah. I've been seeing that the past couple of years.
But, you know, got yeah. So that's why I'm asking, like, how long have you been viewing it for, that CP stuff?
Speaker 1: Well, certainly, since I've been out.
Speaker 0: 2021? How'd you find it?
Speaker 1: Just playing on it. I've never been on it before.
Speaker 2: Uh-huh. And
Speaker 1: I was curious, so I just started exploring.
Speaker 0: Fair enough. I see. I see. How many miners do you think you've talked to online? A few.
A few?
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people.
Speaker 0: How many people have you talked to that have claimed to be minors? What's, like, what's your best guess?
Speaker 1: For any length of time?
Speaker 0: Okay. What were their age ranges?
Speaker 1: Nothing younger than
Speaker 0: me. Okay. It's not bad. Do you go, like, on Chad Avenue and shit?
Speaker 1: There's no money. Hey. I know your work, man. It's because I'm just like, man. I like it.
Speaker 0: Man, dude. Yeah. See, that's why, like, like, I don't know if he was gonna come stick you or anything like that. I don't think he was. I mean, he didn't seem like type, but, like, you know, I I just kinda know.
Maybe we're from, like, around town and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like yeah. Yeah, man. That's what I'm oh, man.
Give me one sec. Give me a thumbs up if the pickles are on the way. Yep. So, cool. Cool.
Cool. So I'm curious about the WhatsApp shit. Where does that save to? Oh, really? What about just to the gallery?
Like, is it safe to, like, the gallery as well? Or
Speaker 1: You're posting this on the Internet, aren't you?
Speaker 0: It's not my intention.
Speaker 1: Then why record it?
Speaker 0: What I told you?
Speaker 1: Besides, you know, making sure you don't jump on me. Why record it?
Speaker 0: Make sure I don't jump on you, nobody else jumps on you. Because best believe, somebody tries some shit, like, I'm showing proof that, you know, I didn't I didn't like, what's up, Chad?
Speaker 2: How you
Speaker 0: doing, bro? What's up? I'm I'm just showing proof that, like, you know, nothing happened to you. You were safe because I don't want you to get assaulted for simply thinking a different way. That's not fair to you.
It's not fair to anybody. And, you know, one of as many problems that America has, one of the best things we have is the first amendment where you can think what you want, you can have your opinions, and I'm not me as a patriot, I'm not letting anybody go down for their opinions. It's not right. Not fair. Not not fair.
That's that's not how I was raised. You know what I'm saying? So that's what it's for. But, Yeah. No.
I'm I'm just curious about the WhatsApp thing though. Like, does it go to your gallery too or Okay. Got it. I see. I see.
When's the last time you think you did a wipe? Of, like, some stuff that was saved? Okay. Got it. Got it.
So just I think you've been 99.9% honest, and I really appreciate it, dude. But when did you actually delete the Viber app, or is it still just there?
Speaker 1: I'm still talking about Viber.
Speaker 0: Because I'm getting a bad vibe that I don't think you deleted it a few days ago. I saw it go online like an hour ago.
Speaker 1: Alright. I actually didn't go on it, but it has still been sending me stuff because
Speaker 0: Well, here. Just is the app on
Speaker 1: your phone there? Or Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Is the app on your phone? Or oh. Yeah. Okay. Wait.
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait. Wait. Wait. You mind just, okay.
Speaker 1: Here's the my. Okay. I didn't actually go on it. Okay. But it's a I had it hit.
Speaker 0: Alright. Yeah. You will hear wait. Wait. Wait.
Dude. Oh my fucking god. Dude, that guy over there, I don't trust him. Put your phone up. Put your phone up.
Put your phone up. Put your phone up. Put your phone up. Oh my god, dude. That guy there, bro.
He lives in the neighborhood. Sits in that white car, dude. He watches fucking everything, bro. I want him to get sussed that, like, I don't want him to get sussed about anything. Like, I just wanna look like a conversation.
I don't want it to look like we're doing anything, you know, any drug deal or shit like that. Goddamn. So is XANGI kinda like Viber too? XANGI?
Speaker 1: It can be. Uh-huh. But I don't have anything on there that I'm getting
Speaker 0: Fair enough. Fair enough.
Speaker 1: I talked to a girl over in England.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Sometimes How old is that chick?
Speaker 1: She's 15. Yeah.
Speaker 0: I think it's age consent in England, I I wanna say. I don't know. Yeah. What does she talk to you about? How are these teens, like, online anyways?
Speaker 1: She's on Facebook. Oh. Because I originally talked to
Speaker 0: her. Is she, like, real?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool, man. Video for themselves.
Speaker 0: What did you do?
Speaker 1: She she pulls nude.
Speaker 0: Okay. Hey, man. I see you. Game is game. Right?
Wow, dude. Well, is there anything in your gallery right now that we need to get rid of? Oh, I trust. I trust.
Speaker 2: You can
Speaker 0: put it up.
Speaker 1: What what Dude, I actually wanna check
Speaker 0: That guy. That guy.
Speaker 1: That's all there is.
Speaker 0: Do you have, like, any hidden folders or anything?
Speaker 1: I have I have file manager.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: But it's
Speaker 0: Wait. Real quick. Harry, just put here real quick. Do you have to, do you have to tell Florida like you're leaving the state?
Speaker 1: Yeah. They have.
Speaker 0: Okay. How's it going, sir? Good. Alright. So, basically, there's some apps with child porn that you gotta get off your phone.
Right? Like, Zangy and Viber. Don't do it right now, but you're in some groups on Viber with child porn that you need to get out of?
Speaker 1: So you're liking me, How much? Uh-huh. I asked you if you were working with the police.
Speaker 0: Not working with the cops. But basically, you showed me some apps that have some child porn on there like the dark web and you're gonna get rid of them. Right? Absolutely. Okay.
But, they're on your phone right now and you were planning on molesting this 8 year old girl that you were trying to babysit. And, you're not gonna do that again. Are you?
Speaker 1: I never had any intentions.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, we have you on camera saying all of it and you just said that you're in the police and child porn in front of officer. So and you're a sex offender. Right?
Speaker 2: I'm a
Speaker 1: registered sex offender.
Speaker 0: Okay. And we have him, on camera admitting that he has, like, child porn and all that stuff. 44. 47. Get some clips, Joel.
Get some clips. Get some clips. Get some clips. 043476
Speaker 1: 4620 4. Do you live in Florida now or you can pull up here? No. Charlie 1 6 0484 764620. No interest in your ride because I've explained it to you.
You wanna answer any questions for me? I'm sorry. The what?
Speaker 0: Hey, sir. We can place some clips for you of him admitting to the child pornography. Okay. Here. Wait.
Wait. Oh, see. Okay.
Speaker 1: Let me
Speaker 0: let me just get my phone so I can get the clips. Guys, if you could find a clip of him admitting where CP was being sent to that phone. To see it. Okay. So you also could find clips of him admitting to getting CP sent to that phone.
That's what we need right now. Houston, Texas. Say again? Hannah's a real person. For you.
Wait. Someone like you actually called the cops for once?
Speaker 1: Yeah. What the fuck? Hey. Way to break them stereotypes, dog. They care about this community.
Oh, shit. That's what's
Speaker 2: up. You're
Speaker 1: a loser, man. You're a loser, man.
Speaker 0: Yeah, bro.
Speaker 1: I love you. We love you.
Speaker 0: Goddamn it. They wanna see Gunther again. That's Gunther. Like, actually. Oh my god.
I can't get over him with a fucking mask.
Speaker 2: Were you
Speaker 0: ever in prison with a guy named Randall Lamp? Yeah. Y'all are friends on Facebook? Does he, like, try to get you into trading and stuff like that? No.
No? Well, because, you know, from some records, it seems like he does. And, you know, we just wanna kinda separate you from him. So is that the case? Alright, guys.
Then send the footage. Okay. Damn. That's it. Jesus.
Alright. Thank you for the 2. Man, can we get pay $20 a month, get better quality? I don't know. Thanks for the 2.
Thank you, dot. Thank you, Am, for about time, Negroes, Fox. Hey. Al Paco model for the 1 g's. We love you.
How do you even pop up so oh, for
Speaker 1: oh, for real.
Speaker 0: He's been here for, I think, a day and a half at this point, like, in this location.
Speaker 1: Why did you contact me? Why not just to let me keep going on my way? Well,
Speaker 0: because, seemed to be a lot of, child pornography you're dabbling in, and it's not safe. I mean, do you think it's a pretty bad look that somebody who's molested, attempts to molest, and expressed the interest in molesting kids is watching child pornography who's a sex offender? Do do you think that's a do you think that do you think it was right of us to come talk to you? Or, do you think we should have just been let go? Or, well, I mean, obviously you were never being held here.
But do you think we should have just left you alone or, do do you think it's right for us to come talk to you? I wonder if you think anybody Do do you think child watching child porn's wrong? Yeah. Sociopath. He just smiles.
Would you answer it if we turn the cameras away? Nope. You know what, man? Fuck you.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do today. Okay?
Speaker 0: Do you mind if I get your ID back
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 0: Absolutely. It's in the car. May I go get it?
Speaker 1: What what is that what is that that I wanna do now? What are the kinds of things that I like Just bring me my rights. I'm not not being harassed. I'm I'm excited about Texas. 3953.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't be
Speaker 0: Oh, they will. They will. They will. Sir, I just feel like No. I don't.
I mean, I just I mean, obviously, like, you you all can do what you all can do, but I just feel like if his phone's only seized today, he's gonna bolt out of state, like, in a day. Like, he he hitchhiked your older phone.
Speaker 1: Hi, man. Thank you.
Speaker 0: We basically factory for me, people. So, basically, you guys think you guys are gonna reoffend or go fuck with an infant or a child or a teen. And then we show up with tumors, and we we attempt to get a confession on that, which we did. And then we turned over to the proper authorities, and rightfully so. They throw your ass in a cage.
Some stay longer than others and, you know, we hope you won't. That's not how hard it is. You think we do
Speaker 1: a good thing?
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, being that you are an admitted child molester, do you think you should be alive right now?
Speaker 2: It's much
Speaker 1: right to live in anybody.
Speaker 0: Yep. That's where we disagree. I mean, I'm not gonna be one to do it, but, you know, certainly would've worn. I I noticed you when you talked about, like, a child's not gonna be smiling. It's pretty sick.
Speaker 1: You go by Joseph? Yep. Would you would you mind serving?
Speaker 0: You sure
Speaker 1: maybe 1 or 2. Okay. Lester just find me.
Speaker 0: You showing Viber or Torrance? Yeah. Yeah. You have you, Tory, all your fault.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I've never known where to do this.
Speaker 0: Oh, buddy. That's the that's the least legal footage on your phone.
Speaker 1: Alright. It's worth it.
Speaker 0: Alright. Roll footage. Alright. Roll footage. Alright.
You have no any problem with the. This guy's a this guy's a sex offender with child pornography on his
Speaker 1: He's he's okay.
Speaker 0: Well, yeah. I know. That's why the cops are here. Yeah. Sick fuck.
Dude, like, it's weird to me. Like, you just talk about molesting kids and all this child porn. Like, you still get fucked. Like, it's just so normal to you. Like I said, I can deceive creatures, not people.
Do do you do you think molesting kids is wrong?
Speaker 1: Not in.
Speaker 0: Alright. Lots of viral viral Twitter clip.
Speaker 1: What's more post mode?
Speaker 0: Dude, Twitter doesn't exist anymore. I got you. Got you. It's x. Okay.
Now take what you just said and apply to transgenders. Yeah. So a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
So we saw him posting an animal Facebook. Basically, advertise that he wants to be a baby sater. So what we do is we post a minor online, Frederick messaged us. Hey. I wanna eat up if you have sex.
Blah blah blah. This is a little bit different because he's he this guy was just posting, hey. I wanna babysit kids. And we noticed in his following list, like, where his friends a ton of shit, like, you know, child porn this, child porn that, cheese pizza was being child porn. Like, a lot of shit that was, like, young stuff.
So one of our people found him and he like, he just can't take me on Facebook, but they found out he was a sex offender named Joseph, Florida. So we made a fake account of a mom and hit him up and gave us our kids. Because, you know, we're like, okay.
Speaker 2: This guy's a
Speaker 0: 100% of child porn. We just wanna, like, try okay. And then he starts calling, like, I wanna molest her appearance and this and that. And we have a message here for that. And if you know what?
Okay. So, I think in Alabama, like, he has to be talking to who he thinks is the actual kid, not mom. So he gave the number of our 8 year old daughter, and then that's when he walked us because he got suspicious about it. And so I called him a day later, asked a cousin. CA 147.
Thanks for the 5. Love what? Alright. Alright. Alex, thanks for a dollar.
Alex have lost a little way. Looking good, kiddo.
Speaker 1: Both of us. Oh, There's somebody in the burger inside. Uh-huh. There's somebody in the burger inside.
Speaker 2: Uh-huh. There's somebody in the burger inside. Uh-huh. There's somebody in the burger inside. Uh-huh.
There's somebody in the burger inside. Uh-huh. There's somebody in the
Speaker 0: burger inside. I'm all shit.
Speaker 1: What's running out
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 0: What a what a nice slice front front row seats, the predator poachers that just have, like, some concession stand through.
Speaker 2: What is
Speaker 1: the a bird box, mister Taylor 1193 with 1072
Speaker 0: Alright. I'm doing it. Alright. Take care.
@Roostersbak - Rooster
FBI agent caught trying to meet a 15yr old. https://t.co/syEZLNqoXF
Video Transcript AI Summary
What’s your name? What are you doing here? I’m texting a friend. Who are you texting? A 15-year-old. No, I’m not. Yes, you are. If you don’t stand here and talk, I’ll call the police. Let me see your phone. You’re here to meet a 15-year-old. Where are you going? You can’t just leave.
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Speaker 0: Sorry. What's your name? My name? Your name. What are you doing?
What are you here for? I'm here. Who are you here to meet? I'm texting a friend. You're texting a friend?
You're texting a 15 year old. No. I'm not. Yes. You are.
No. I'm not. No. Stand here and have a conversation, or I'm getting the police here. I'm texting a 15 year old.
About to call the police. About the Sir, not. Okay. Let me pull your phone out. Let me see your apps.
Pull your phone out. He's here to the 15 year old. Sir. Sir. With a 15 year old.
Where are you going? You can't stand and talk?
@RealPizzaPepe - Pizza Pepe
Remember when hollywood producer Herschel Weingrod was caught trying to meet up with a child? And nothing ever happened? https://t.co/EPHsqtGR88
Video Transcript AI Summary
The speaker confronts Boris about meeting his daughter, who Boris thought was 23 but turned out to be 15. Boris claims they only talked and flirted, but the speaker questions his intentions. Boris tries to leave but is stopped and accused of being a pedophile. The speaker expresses disbelief and confusion over Boris's actions. Boris becomes agitated and tries to leave, but the speaker prevents him from doing so. Boris eventually admits to his mistake and apologizes. The speaker remains wary and cautious of Boris's behavior.
Translation: The speaker confronts Boris for meeting his daughter, who Boris thought was 23 but turned out to be 15. Boris claims they only talked and flirted, but the speaker questions his intentions. Boris tries to leave but is stopped and accused of being a pedophile. The speaker expresses disbelief and confusion over Boris's actions. Boris becomes agitated and tries to leave, but the speaker prevents him from doing so. Boris eventually admits to his mistake and apologizes. The speaker remains wary and cautious of Boris's behavior.
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Speaker 0: Name?
Speaker 1: Oh, fuck.
Speaker 0: What's your name? Who are you? What's your name?
Speaker 1: Who are you? Why are
Speaker 0: you suing my fucking daughter? What's your name? What is your name?
Speaker 1: Boris. My name is Boris.
Speaker 0: Boris. Wait. What's your name? Shake my hand. What's the problem?
Why are you suing my daughter? You know how old she is?
Speaker 1: I don't I have no idea.
Speaker 0: You have no idea?
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 0: You have no idea?
Speaker 1: No. The
Speaker 0: fuck you thought was gonna happen here?
Speaker 1: Nothing. I wish I could have a pizza. I don't know.
Speaker 0: Pizza? Yeah. You don't know? What if how old is she?
Speaker 1: Brad. I met You know how old she is? I messed with her. She was 23. 23.
Speaker 0: Is that was that what the conversation looked like?
Speaker 1: You know what the tech question is? She was 23 on a
Speaker 0: dating site. On a dating site.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah? Yeah. She was 23 How old is she? I have no idea.
Speaker 0: Lila, how old are you?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. She was 23 on a dating site.
Speaker 0: All we've done is So she didn't tell you she didn't tell you how old she was?
Speaker 1: She did. She did? Yeah.
Speaker 0: How old is she? She said she was 15. How did she tell you how old she actually is?
Speaker 1: She said she's 15.
Speaker 0: She said she's 15. Why are you
Speaker 1: just why why are
Speaker 0: you here?
Speaker 1: Why are
Speaker 0: you sitting here?
Speaker 1: I'm just having a
Speaker 0: With a fucking 15 year old? Pizza. Piece of pizza with a fucking 15 year old.
Speaker 1: That's not against the law.
Speaker 0: You think that's okay?
Speaker 1: It's not against the law.
Speaker 0: It's not against the law? No. Is that all you spoke about, sir?
Speaker 1: That we've just been talking.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah. We've been talking and flirting. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 0: Where are you going?
Speaker 1: I ordered a pizza. I'm gonna go get it. Okay. So have a seat. Have a seat.
Why?
Speaker 0: I'll sit with you. I'll eat pizza with you. We're just having pizza. Right? Sit right here.
Sorry.
Speaker 1: Sit right here. Sorry. Where?
Speaker 0: I don't know. Woah. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: You said you wanted to, please touch a dick, whatever? Yeah. Right? Yeah. Just weird.
Speaker 0: I don't understand what people say.
Speaker 1: Pedophile trying to meet a 15 year old oh, shit. I'm sorry. It's not a boy. It's a girl. I don't know.
Woah. Woah. Yeah. You are. No.
I was scared. Wait. Did you hear audio? Did you hear audio? Close.
Look at this guy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna stay. What are you doing?
It's like I'm like, we can't grab him. Yeah. Yeah.
reSee.it AI Summary
A teacher from @salemacademyCS, Darren Benedick, was arrested for allegedly attempting to meet a 14-year-old girl for inappropriate activities. He engaged in explicit conversations and shared explicit images in a chat room, unaware that it was an undercover agent. He was apprehended upon arrival to meet the girl.
@libsoftiktok - Libs of TikTok
Meet Darren Benedick, a teacher in @salemacademyCS who was just arrested while allegedly trying to meet up with a 14 year old girl for s*xual activities. He was in a "teens" only chat room and send explicit messages and images. Little did the gr**mer know, it was an undercover agent. He was arrested when he arrived to meet the girl.
@crazyclips_ - Crazy Clips
Dude had no clue his life was in danger https://t.co/JSpVxk48vi
Video Transcript AI Summary
If that hit had landed the first time, I would have lifted you up. Are you serious?
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Speaker 0: Yeah. Believe me, if that hit dropped the first time, I would've raised your ass up. Up. Are you fucking kidding me?
@WorldDarkWeb2 - I Post Forbidden Videos
Man gets followed home from the bank https://t.co/5SQKXhhQQl
@ShaykhSulaiman - Sulaiman Ahmed
JEWISH ISRAELI GETS CAUGHT TRYING TO MEET A 13 YEAR OLD CHILD IN THE U.S He then cries and plays victim. https://t.co/PmMwV8Rilt
Video Transcript AI Summary
Two men discuss an incident involving a girl who allegedly misrepresented her age. Speaker 1, from Israel, repeatedly says 'I didn't meant to do anything' and 'I came to say sorry,' claiming he never intended harm and that he canceled football. He acknowledges chat interactions, saying, 'She told me she's 50' and 'I asked her, are you Jewish? Things like this,' and later admits 'I should block her right away.' They reference that online activity may amount to 'online solicitation minor' and warn it could be a 'federal offense.' Speaker 0 stresses the importance of the other person’s Jewish identity and safety. The exchange includes mentions of condoms and sexual context, with declarations like 'I didn't bring condoms' and 'I didn't meant to touch anything.' The conversation ends with plans to file a statement and a provided link for the formal process; 'This is my daughter, by the way.'
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Speaker 0: Yeah. How
Speaker 1: we doing?
Speaker 0: Hey. We need to have a conversation. Okay? Hey. Look.
I don't think you're bad guy. You just probably made a mistake. Right? Man. Wait.
I came all the way from Israel for this?
Speaker 1: I didn't meant to do anything of this.
Speaker 0: Okay. Got you. Well, here here. Let's talk about it outside. Okay?
Let's talk about it. Okay. Gotcha.
Speaker 1: I didn't meant to do anything. I told you that I don't want to do anything. I just want to make sure. I
Speaker 0: got you. I got you. Weapons on you? No. No.
Have your pockets?
Speaker 1: No weapons.
Speaker 0: Pat you down real quick. Alright? No. What's up? Nothing.
Speaker 1: You're tearing
Speaker 0: off to the side. Yeah? Alright. Good. Nothing.
Alright. So I
Speaker 1: I can I say something?
Speaker 0: I don't
Speaker 1: want me to do anything. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Sorry for that. I'm sorry, man. I'm pretty sorry. I just seriously, I swear I wanted to came to say, sorry. I don't want to
Speaker 0: do anything. Come and say sorry. Yes. I don't You want to it over the phone.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it because she told me she came all the way here.
Speaker 0: I felt bad for it.
Speaker 1: Seriously. I I just wanted to
Speaker 0: play football. I canceled the football. Soccer?
Speaker 1: No. No. I canceled the football internally. Gotcha. I just say sorry.
I swear I didn't meant to do anything. Anything anything anything.
Speaker 0: I got you. Well, well, well, let's look over the chat logs, okay, man? Get to the bottom of this, okay? Slow down. Slow down, alright?
Did you do some drugs before you came here?
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing. You're sober? I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 0: Okay, I got you. No cocaine?
Speaker 1: Nothing. I never did a problem in my life. I never did something bad in my life. Mhmm. She told me she's 50.
I swear I nothing. Okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, look look. So how how old did she tell you she was?
Speaker 1: She told me
Speaker 0: Right. Okay. I got you. Do you do you see what's wrong with that though?
Speaker 1: She it's not okay. I swear. I didn't mean to do anything. I swear. I didn't mean to do anything.
Swear? Okay. I swear in God.
Speaker 0: Oh, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I'll be
Speaker 0: careful there.
Speaker 1: I swear in God I didn't mean to do anything.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I swear, ma'am. I just wanted to tell you, I'm sorry. I don't want to do anything.
Speaker 0: So so what so what should have you done when she's told you she right?
Speaker 1: I should block her right away.
Speaker 0: Block her right away.
Speaker 1: Block her right away. But seriously, I I promise you, sir, I didn't mean to do anything. I swear, ma'am. I didn't meant to do anything.
Speaker 0: Did you chat
Speaker 1: with them
Speaker 0: though that you weren't gonna eat?
Speaker 1: That's on phone. I talked with them on phone. And also, when she told me this, I told I asked her, are you Jewish? Things like this.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. She's she's Why do you ask
Speaker 1: if she was Jewish? Because I'm Jewish.
Speaker 0: And I
Speaker 1: don't touch non Jewish girl.
Speaker 0: But she's ethnically Jewish.
Speaker 1: So I don't touch non Jewish.
Speaker 0: Would you go to hell if you touch the non Jew?
Speaker 1: Kind of.
Speaker 0: You would go to hell? Okay. Well well Why is that?
Speaker 1: Because I can't touch non Jewish girl.
Speaker 0: Non Jewish girl? Oh, yeah. Call a non Jewish girl.
Speaker 1: Christian Muslim. The Goyim? Yes.
Speaker 0: I've got you. Yep. Okay. Well well
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: Well well, the issue is she is ethically Jewish, though. She is Jewish.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not about that. I'm sorry. Seriously. Seriously. I didn't meant to do anything.
Speaker 0: I'm sorry. I got you. And and look like the only the only reason we're recording by the way is because our our protection, your protection. Because if It's okay. Let's say let's say
Speaker 1: I didn't meant to do anything.
Speaker 0: Because you can't say like we attacked you or you know, whatever. So that's why we're filming. This is not gonna go online or anything. No problem.
Speaker 1: I'm just so seriously. I didn't I didn't meant to touch anything. I didn't meant to do anything bad.
Speaker 0: So we Did you bring condoms? Yeah. Yeah. So Did you bring condoms?
Speaker 1: Nothing. Nothing. Seriously in my life.
Speaker 0: So so were you gonna have
Speaker 1: Nothing. No. No. I didn't meant to to do sex with I know I talked with her, but I came now to tell her, ma'am So you
Speaker 0: were so you came because you were gonna come?
Speaker 1: I no. No. I came because I wanted to tell her, ma'am, I'm sorry. Sorry that you did all this trip.
Speaker 0: Sorry. I'm sir. Was it was he talk on the chat logs. Right? Yeah.
So so you did see. So it's so you did talk You said you said I you in the Why would you do that?
Speaker 1: What? Know, in chat, you say some stuff
Speaker 0: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: But you don't really mean it. I saw a girl on app. She told me on the app, she's Jewish and 18. I said, okay.
Speaker 0: So you know ask because she's Jewish and 18.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. If she's 18, you know, sometimes you can.
Speaker 0: But the thing is you told her after she was told you she was that's an issue. Right?
Speaker 1: I know. You're right. You're 100% right. But I didn't mean it. I didn't meant to do anything.
Seriously, guys. I'm sorry. And I didn't bring condom. I didn't brought anything.
Speaker 0: So why did you have wrong.
Speaker 1: No. I didn't meant to to sleep.
Speaker 0: So you were gonna potentially get
Speaker 1: pregnant? No. I didn't meant to sleep at all.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: So it would have
Speaker 0: an accident if you did give her anal.
Speaker 1: I no. No. I didn't meant to touch anything. I want just one she told me she's hungry. Wait.
Speaker 0: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. You're saying a thousand
Speaker 1: things here. Slow down. She told me she's hungry.
Speaker 0: Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. Hungry for some
Speaker 1: No. No. For food. And she didn't order anything. I said, At least let me order for food.
She came all the way. Seriously, I'm out of the Jew.
Speaker 0: I got you.
Speaker 1: Listen. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: So you know what? The fact that so so Hold on. Why'd you take that off? Because because she's
Speaker 1: she told me she's 15.
Speaker 0: Why don't you put that back on? I can put in are you a fan of Ben Shapiro?
Speaker 1: I like Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 0: You like Ben Shapiro? You ask you ask, do you wanna see
Speaker 1: Yes. I asked her.
Speaker 0: So what if she said yes and you sent
Speaker 1: pic? But it didn't happen.
Speaker 0: It didn't because she said she'll never she never seen one. And you said, seriously. And then you said, you don't have a kit you don't have to send a pic of your send whatever you want, bra or anything.
Speaker 1: You're right. I want
Speaker 0: to then she she said, I never seen it before. And then you say, do you want to see it?
Speaker 1: You're right. I made mistake. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: So but you know that's illegal. Right?
Speaker 1: I know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: You know what that is? So online solution online solicitation minor.
Speaker 1: For sure, didn't mean to do anything, guys.
Speaker 0: I'm sorry. But you said did you drop here, by the way?
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes.
Speaker 0: Twenty minutes. So you didn't mean to do it. You're asking for pictures that that you were asking Do you realize that? I didn't mean Prison time. I didn't meant That is
Speaker 1: a federal offense. I didn't meant to do anything.
Speaker 0: I got you. Jail right now. I'm sorry. Well, you're like that's why we're talking about it. You're probably not a bad guy.
Right?
Speaker 1: I didn't want a right guy. I never did something in this in my life.
Speaker 0: So are you where are you from originally?
Speaker 1: I'm from Israel.
Speaker 0: Israel? When when did he get here?
Speaker 1: Half year ago, eight months.
Speaker 0: Okay. Okay. So so is it like over there? Is it like an like, is that like okay or
Speaker 1: I never did it in my life.
Speaker 0: Okay. I got you. Never did
Speaker 1: it in my life. I seriously, I did it in my culture.
Speaker 0: Yeah. What what did you wanna add on? Anything like that, Charlie. Never. He made a mistake.
Never.
Speaker 1: I did a mistake. Did I made I I made the mistake. Pardon me, Steve. I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry.
Listen. My mistake. Real.
Speaker 0: What? Get you some help, man. So what? Some people Yeah. We're not trying to get you in trouble or anything.
We're just here to talk about it. That's why. Important question.
Speaker 1: Do Sir, you
Speaker 0: what do you think should happen to you? What do you think should happen to you? Because I need to get slapped in the face. That's what I think. That's the way I bet.
Well, she not slap you in the face right
Speaker 1: now? Come. Slap me.
Speaker 0: Shut up. No. No.
Speaker 1: So come.
Speaker 0: Say so you say We don't we don't do that here.
Speaker 1: So Hey, guys. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0: You said send me a video of you saying I want your to be hard. So what was that about? Why did you say that?
Speaker 1: I made a mistake.
Speaker 0: Well, well, well, like, what's what was your mindset when you were doing that stuff? Like, I know you you did you probably didn't wanna do anything right now. Right? But, like, when you were doing when you were talking about that stuff, like, you just, like, horny or something?
Speaker 1: See, yes. Little bit.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, she's pretty looking girl.
Speaker 1: So, you
Speaker 0: know, everyone everyone makes mistakes. Right?
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 0: This is my daughter, by the way.
Speaker 1: It's all that matters.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So that's why he's just kinda upset. It's all that matters. You're you're gonna have intercourse with my daughter. I didn't I didn't mean to to Why are you touching me?
Sorry. So so, like, at that time, la what? Was it last night, two nights ago? I think it was, like, two nights ago. Right?
So when you were saying that stuff, like, like, like, if she was there, like, you probably would have done something with her or what?
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to do anything. I
Speaker 0: No. I understand. I'm saying at that time, though.
Speaker 1: My in my life. No bench in all of them. She also told me she's Talmudic Jew. I know what is Talmudic Jew, but I still can't believe when the name is not Jewish and the region is not Jewish. I can't believe it.
Can't understand.
Speaker 0: Oh, no. Her her original name's Goldberg.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's so
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
We he just changed his last name because he got married and stuff. So yeah. No. Her last name's Goldberg. Jewish.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man.
Speaker 0: Yeah. She's from Tel Aviv.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. To stop me in the face. You can stop me the face.
Speaker 0: No. We don't do we don't we don't do that here.
Speaker 1: Please, look at my eyes. I didn't meant to do anything.
Speaker 0: Stop, please. Saying you
Speaker 1: made a mistake, didn't mean to do
Speaker 0: You're just gonna happen. Wait. Wait. Here. Will you shoot?
Speaker 1: You'll have No.
Speaker 0: So here's what's happen. Alright? Louder. Come on now. Louder.
Come on Come on, Louder. Get up.
Speaker 1: Come here.
Speaker 0: I didn't get I was gonna try to ask them to get them calmed down. Sup, man? Sup? If you wanna scroll through I mean, you can just scroll through the whole thing, but and if if you go from there, he talks about asks, you know, if he wants to see his Using one of the white the white words? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna do Airbnb tonight, but didn't happen. So we just met him here. Police department.
Just ignore that guy. That. Yep. And okay. Got that.
Cool. Yeah. Alright. That was just good here. So let me same thing as last time.
We need to do the statement, and I'm give you that link as well. Okay. Okay? Awesome. Thank you.
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Pedophiles escape to the promised land https://t.co/5dMJEDm6Gi
Video Transcript AI Summary
A CBS News investigation identifies a loophole that allegedly allows accused and convicted American pedophiles to escape justice by moving to Israel. The report notes that Jewish Community Watch (JCW), an organization that tracks alleged pedophiles who flee to Israel from the United States, exploits a process known as the Law of Return, which permits any Jewish person to move to Israel and automatically obtain citizenship. The investigation highlights the ease with which some individuals accused or convicted of sexual offenses in the U.S. purportedly use this law as an escape route, a situation that JCW says haunts victims.
Among the cases discussed is that of Yomtov, who pled guilty in 2002 to sexually abusing and committing lewd acts against three other boys. He served jail time, but after his release he allegedly violated his probation and fled to Israel. JCW claims that he did so with help from individuals within the Orthodox Jewish community. JCW says it tracked Yomtov to Jerusalem and confronted him with a hidden camera, in which he admitted to illegally fleeing the United States with assistance and to using a fake passport to enter Israel.
The report notes that the district attorney in Los Angeles stated they have not requested Yomtov’s extradition and offered no further comment. JCW contends that this lack of extradition requests represents a broader problem: when American officials do not pursue accused pedophiles who are in Israel, those individuals allegedly escape justice and leave children at risk.
The interview conveys that law enforcement in the United States appears to be a central point of contention in this issue, with JCW asserting that the absence of extradition efforts allows suspects to evade accountability. The narrative emphasizes victims’ perspectives, including that of Mendy Hahn, who stated he was abused starting at age eight by a teacher at an Orthodox Jewish school in Los Angeles, and who is cited to illustrate the impact of such cases on victims and communities.
Overall, the report presents JCW’s perspective on the implications of the Law of Return and the perceived gap in U.S. prosecutorial or extradition actions that would otherwise compel suspects to face justice in the United States, and it documents a specific instance where a suspect admitted to fleeing with assistance and using a fraudulent passport, as alleged by JCW.
Full Transcript
Speaker 0: A CBS News investigation has uncovered a loophole that allows accused and convicted American pedophiles to escape justice by moving to Israel.
Speaker 1: Jewish Community Watch, an organization that hunts down accused pedophiles who flee to Israel from The US, exploiting a process called law of return whereby any Jewish person can move to Israel and automatically gain citizenship. The ease with which pedophiles seem able to use this law as an escape route haunts victims like Mendy Hahn I was 18 says he was abused from age eight by a teacher at an orthodox Jewish school in Los Angeles. Yomtov pled guilty in 2002 to sexually abusing and committing lewd acts against three other boys. He served jail time, but when he was released, he violated his probation, and according to JCW, fled to Israel with help from individuals within the Orthodox Jewish community. JCW tracked Yomtov down and confronted him with a hidden camera in Jerusalem, where he admitted to illegally fleeing The United States with help and using a fake passport to enter Israel.
The district attorney here in Los Angeles told us they have not requested Yompov's extradition and that they had no other comment. Jewish community watch says that is the problem. If American officials don't try to get accused pedophiles from Israel, then they simply escape justice and leave children at risk.
Speaker 0: It certainly seems like law enforcement both here