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I used to have this interview pinned in my profile. I think itβs time to bring it back. It is the full interview of Yuri Bezmenov on the Four Stages of Ideological Subversion. This comes in a perfect timing with the Putin and Tucker interview. Stop falling for propaganda. https://t.co/Wl8y9VQSRX
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In this video, Yuri Alexandrovich Besmianoff, a former KGB agent, shares his personal experiences growing up in the Soviet Union and working for the KGB. He discusses the propaganda and brainwashing techniques employed by the Soviet government and highlights the oppressive nature of the regime. Due to moral objections, Besmianoff eventually defected to the West. He criticizes American journalists and intellectuals for their support of the Soviet regime. Besmianoff also reveals the KGB's strategy of targeting leftists and recruiting individuals lacking moral principles in conservative media, academia, and the film industry. Leftists are used to destabilize nations and then discarded. The speaker witnessed the Soviet Union's plans to invade East Pakistan during their time in India. They explain the process of ideological subversion, which aims to change Americans' perception of reality to prevent them from defending themselves and their country. The speaker warns that America's demoralization is already complete and irreversible, urging Americans to educate themselves, understand the danger of socialism, and cease aiding communism. The role of Western support in sustaining the Soviet system and the possibility of change in the Soviet Union are also discussed.
Speaker 0: My father was he's on the left here. My father was officer of the General Staff of the Soviet Army. He was inspector of Land Forces. Soviet troops stationed in countries like Mongolia, Cuba, East European countries. This is the picture taken at the entrance of my Institute of Oriental Languages.
It's a part of Moscow State University. As every Soviet student, I was quote unquote volunteering for harvesting grain in Kazakhstan. By the end of my training in school, I was recruited by the KGB. This picture was taken on that day and you can see again how happy It feels to be recruited by the KGB. Pay special attention to number of bottles on the table.
One of my functions was to keep foreign guests permanently intoxicated the moment they land at Moscow Airport. In 1967, the KGB attached me to this magazine, Look Magazine, a group of 12 people arrived to USSR from United States to cover 50th anniversary of October socialist revolution in my country. From the first page to the last page, it was a package of lies.
Speaker 1: Our conversation is with mister Yuri Alexandrovich Besmianoff. Mister Besanov was born in 1939 in a suburb of Moscow. He was the son of a high ranking Soviet Army officer. He was educated in the elite schools inside the Soviet Union and became an expert in Indian culture and Indian languages. He had an outstanding career with Novesty, which was the and still is, I should say, the press arm or the press agency of the Soviet Union.
It turns out that this is also a front for the KGB. One of his interesting assignments was to brainwash foreign diplomats when they visited Moscow. And he'll tell us a little bit about how they did this and how they planted information which eventually wound up in the press of the free world. He escaped to the West in 1970 after becoming totally disgusted with the Soviet system, And he did this at great risk to his life. He certainly is one of the world's outstanding experts on the subject of Soviet propaganda and disinformation and active measures.
Mr. Besmianoff, I'd like to begin by having you tell us a little bit about some of your childhood memories.
Speaker 0: Well, the most vivid memory of my childhood was Second World War, or to be more precise, the end of the Second World War, when all of a sudden United States from a friendly nation, which helped us to defeat Nazism, turned overnight into a deadly enemy. And it was very shocking because all newspapers were trying to present an image of belligerent, aggressive American imperialism. Most of the things that we were taught is that United States is aggressive power, which is just about to invade our beautiful free socialist country, that American CIA is dropping in Colorado beetles in our beautiful potato fields to eliminate our crops. And each schoolboy had a picture of Colorado bug on the on the back page of his notebook. And we were instructed to go into collective fields to search for those little Colorado bugs.
Of course, we couldn't find any, neither we could find many potatoes, and that was explained again by the encroachments of the decadent imperialist power. The anti American paranoia hysteria in in the Soviet propaganda was to such an of such a higher degree, that many less skeptical people or less stubborn would really believe that United States is just about to invade our beautiful motherland, and some secretly hope that it will come true. That's interesting. Yes.
Speaker 1: Well, getting back to life inside the Soviet Union or inside Communist countries in general, In this country, at the university level primarily, we read and hear that, the Soviet system is different from ours but not that different and that there is a convergence developing between all of the systems of the world and that really it doesn't make an awful lot of difference what system you live under because you have corruption and dishonesty and tyranny and all that sort of thing. From your personal experience, what is the difference between life under Communism and life in the United States?
Speaker 0: Well, life is obviously very much different for for simple reason that, the Soviet Union is a state capitalist Economically, it's a state capitalism where an individual has absolutely no rights, no value. His life is nothing. It's just like an insect. He's disposable. Whereby in United States, even the even the worst criminal is treated as a human being.
He has a fair trial, and some of them capitalize on their crimes. They they publish their memoirs in their prisons and get handsomely paid by your crazy publishers. The differences, of course, in the daily life are very various depending on who whom we are talking about. In my own private life, I never suffered from communism simply because I was brought up in the family of high ranking military officer. Most of the doors were open for me.
Most of my expenses were paid by the government, and I never had any troubles in with the authorities or with the police. So in other words, I would say I enjoyed or I had good reasons to enjoy all the advantages of so called socialist system. My main motivations to defect was had nothing to do with affluence. It was mainly moral indignation, moral protest, rebellion against the inhuman methods of of the Soviet system.
Speaker 1: Well, specifically, what did you object to? I objected, first
Speaker 0: of all, against oppression of my own dissidents and intellectuals. And that was the most disgusting thing that that I witnessed as a as a young man young student who was brought up a very troublesome period in our history from Stalin to Khrushchev, from total tyranny and oppression to some kind of liberalization. 2nd, when I started working for the Soviet embassy in India, I to my horror, I discovered that we are millions times more oppressive than any colonial or imperialist power in the history of mankind that my country brings to India not freedom progress and and friendship between the nations, But, racism, exploitation, and slavery, and and, of course, economical inefficiency to this country. Since I fell in love with India, I developed something which by KGB standards is extremely dangerous thing. It's called split loyalty.
When an agent likes a country of assignment more than his own country. I literally fell in love with this beautiful country, A country of great contrast, but also great humility, great tolerance, and and if philosophically and intellectual freedoms. My ancestors used to live in caves and eat raw meat when India was highly civilized nation 6000 years ago. So obviously, the choice was not to the advantage of my own nation. I decided to defect and to entirely dissociate myself from the brutal regime.
Speaker 1: Mister Besmionov, we've read a lot about the concentration camps in the slave labor camps under the Stalin regime. Now the general impression in America is that those things are part of the past. Are they still going on today? Or what is the status?
Speaker 0: Yes. There is no qualitative change in in the Soviet concentration camp system. There are changes in in numbers of prisoners. Again, this is unreliable Soviet statistics. We don't know how many political prisoners are there in the Soviet concentration camps, But we sure know from from various sources that at each particular time, there are close to 25 to 30,000,000 of Soviet citizens who are virtually kept as slaves in forced labor camp system.
The size of the population of country like Canada is serving terms as as prisoners. Incredible. So I would say that Those intellectuals who try to convince American public that concentration camp system is a thing of a past are either conscientiously misleading public opinion or they are not very intellectual people. They They're selectively blind.
Speaker 1: They don't they lack intellectual honesty when they say that. Well, we've spoken about the intellectuals in this country and also the intellectuals in the Soviet Union. What about down At the broad mass level, do the people in general, the working the working people, the workers in general in the Soviet Union, do they support the system? Do they tolerate it? What is their attitude?
Speaker 0: Well, average Soviet citizen, if there is such an animal, of course, does not like the system Because it hurts. It kills. He may not understand the the reasons. He he may not have enough information or or educational background to understand, but I doubt very much there are many people who are Conscientiously supporting the Soviet system. There are no such such people in USSR.
Even those who have all the reasons to enjoy socialism, people like myself who are a member of journalistic elite, They also hate system for for different reasons, though, not because they lack material affluence, but because they are unfree to think. They're in constant fear, duplicity, split personality, and this is the greatest tragedy for my nation.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think are the chances of the people actually overcoming their system or replacing it?
Speaker 0: There is a great possibility that system will sooner or later be destroyed from within. There is a self destructive mechanism built in into any socialist or communist or fascist system because there is lack of feedback because the system does not rely upon loyalty of population. But until and until this Soviet junta is being supported by the Western so called imperialists, that is multinational companies, establishments, governments, and let's face it, intellectuals, so called academia in the United States is famous for porting the Soviet system. As long as the Soviet junta will keep on receiving credits, money, technology, grain deals, and political recognition from all these traitors of democracy or freedom, There is no hope. There is not much hope for for changes in my country, and the system will not collapse by itself simply because it's it's being nourished by so called American imperialism.
This is the greatest Paradox in history of mankind when, capitalist world supports and actively nourishes Its own destroyer destructor.
Speaker 1: I think you're trying to tell us something
Speaker 0: Oh, yes.
Speaker 1: The country.
Speaker 0: I'm trying to tell you that it it has to be stopped unless you want to end up in in gulag system and enjoy all the advantages of socialist Equality, working for free, catching fleas on your body, sleeping on planks of plywood in Alaska this time, I guess. That's where Americans will belong unless they will wake up, course, enforce their government to stop aiding Soviet fascism.
Speaker 1: Well, you told us a moment ago why you left The system, I'd like to hear the details of how you did it. It must have been a very dangerous thing.
Speaker 0: It was not so dangerous. It was crazy. 1st of all, because defecting in India is virtually impossible. Thanks to very strong pressure from the Soviet government.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. You were in in on assignment
Speaker 0: at that time. I was working for the Soviet Embassy in New Delhi as a press officer. Mhmm. And, defecting for a Soviet diplomat is next to impossible. It's a suicide, as I said, because A great friend Indira Gandhi pushed a law through parliament which says, and I quote, no defector from any country has a right of political asylum in any embassy on the territory of Indian Republic, which is a masterpiece of hypocrisy.
No other defector, but the Soviet one needs a political asylum. So knowing that perfectly well, I I I planned a craziest possible way to defect. I started counterculture in India. There are there were thousands of young American boys and girls with no shoes, long hair, smoking hush and marijuana, studying sometimes Indian philosophy, sometimes simply pretending that they studied. And they greatly annoyed Indian police, and they were laughing stock of Indians because, obviously, they they were good for nothing students.
I studied carefully where they congregate, what routes they travel, what language they speak, what do they smoke. And one day, I simply joined a group of hippies to avoid detection of Indian police. I was dressed as a typical hippie with blue jeans, long camis shirts with all kind of nice decorations like these. Long hairs, I I I bought a wig because for several weeks, I had to turn myself from a conservative Soviet diplomat into a very progressive American hippie. And that was the only way that that I could avoid detection.
It was very interesting experience, But it was necessary because, from my own knowledge as a as a member of Soviet embassy staff, I knew that There were many cases when Soviet defectors were betrayed by Indian police, and, also, some Western embassies played a very dirty role in betraying the Soviet defectors. According to our information, there were some, I wouldn't call them double agents, but simply a moral people working for this for the United States Embassy And, confining in in people like this would be suicide. So I had to be extremely careful. I could not trust anyone. And that was the that was the reason for such a crazy way to defect.
Speaker 1: Well, had you been caught In the act of trying to get out, what would have happened to you?
Speaker 0: Oh, most likely, I would end up in in concentration camp, Or depending on the situation and on on the on the whim of some bureaucrat in KGB, Or maybe even executed. This is normal practice quietly, of course, not publicly. But that would be the end of my infection, of course.
Speaker 1: Well, when did you finally make it to the United States?
Speaker 0: In 1970, after about 6 months of debriefing in Athens by the CIA, and I presume FBI too, they let me go first to Germany then to Canada. That was my decision. I had to change my identity to protect my family and my friends in in USSR. And, also, I was a little bit paranoid, knowing that both Soviet KGB and probably some Double agents within American system may be after me. So I wanted to settle down as far away as possible.
I requested CIA to give me some kind of new identity and just let me go on my own and I settled in Canada. I was a student. I changed many professions from farm help and and laundry truck driver to instruct language instructor and broadcaster for Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in Montreal.
Speaker 1: Well, have you had any threats on your life or any Yes. Unpleasant
Speaker 0: In about 5 years, KGB eventually discovered that I am working for Canadian Broadcasting. I made a very big mistake. I started talk I started working for Overseas service of CBC, which is similar to Voice of America in Russian language. And, of course, monitoring service in USSR picked up every new voice. Every new announcer would they they would make it the point to discover who he is.
And in 5 years, sure enough, slowly but surely, they discovered that I am not Thomas Schuman, that I am Yuri Alexandrovich Bismyanov, and that I'm working for Canadian Broadcasting, and undermining beautiful detente between Canada and USSR. And the Soviet ambassador, Alexander Yakovlev, made it his personal effort to credit me. He complained to Pierre Trudeau, who is known to be a little bit soft on socialism. And The management of CBC behaved in a very strange, cowardly way, unbecoming to representatives of an independent country like Canada, they listened to every suggestion that Soviet ambassador gave, and they started shameful investigation, analyzing content of my broadcasts to USSR. And sure enough, they discovered that some of my Statements were probably to, would be offending to the Soviet politburo.
So I had to to leave my my job. And, of course, subtle intimidations. They would say something like, Please cross the street carefully because, you know, traffic is very heavy in Quebec. And, Fortunately, I know about the psychology and and the logic of activity of the KGB, and I never allowed myself to be intimidated. This is the worst thing.
This is what they expect a person, a defector to be intimidated. Once they spot that that you are scared, they keep on developing that line. And then eventually, you either have to give up entirely and work for them Or you they neutralize you. They they they would definitely stop all kind of political activity, which they failed to do in my case Because I was stubbornly working for the Canadian Broadcasting. And, in response to the intimidations, I said that, look, this is a free country, And I am as free as you are, and I also can drive very fast.
And gun control is not yet established in Canada, so I had A couple of good shotguns in my basement. So welcome to visit me someday with your Kalashnikov machine guns. So, obviously, it didn't work. Intimidation didn't work. So they they tried different approach, as I described.
They approached On the highest level, on the level of Canadian bureaucracy At that level, they were successful. On that level, they were successful. On an individual level, they failed Flat.
Speaker 1: Mister Besmaynoff has brought a series of slides with him that he has taken from the Soviet Union, and I think this is a good time to Take a look at the slides. Now, the viewers will be able to see these slides as we talk about them.
Speaker 0: Yes. This is a collection of slides, which are Some of them are, snapshots from my family album. Some of them are documents which I smuggled from the Soviet Embassy, And some are reproductions from local mass media. I usually show them to establish my credibility as a defector. This is a picture of my Native town, Matishya, about 20 miles north from Moscow.
Characteristically, there's a statue of comrade Lenin in the central square. This is myself at the age of 7, again, characteristically, under the statue of Comrade Stalin extending his friendly hand to Peoples of the world. At that age, of course, I was still idealistically minded young communist, And, I still believe that sooner or later, things will go for better, but I realized that the system stinks, That something is fishy and that ideology is is fake and the, propaganda about advanced Soviet agriculture simply didn't made the criteria of reality. If they talk about, abundance of food and and there's none in the stores, there must be something wrong. My father was he's on the left here.
My father was officer of the general staff of the Soviet Army. He was inspector of land forces, Soviet troops stationed in countries like Mongolia, Cuba, East European countries. Were he alive today, most likely, he would be inspecting Soviet troops in in Nicaragua, Angola, and many other parts of the world. Fortunately, he died, and he didn't see the disgrace because deep inside, he was Russian patriot. He didn't he didn't like the idea of expanding Soviet military might especially in the areas where where we were not welcomed at all.
Unlike many other military officers, he was reporting directly to the minister of defense bypassing KGB and diplomatic service. In other words, he was a trusted military professional, and my impression that this type of people are Much less hulkish and adventuristic than party bureaucrats in Kremlin. When American mass media described Soviet military as potentially dangerous counterpart for for Pentagon, I simply laugh because I know better. I know that the most dangerous part of the Soviet power structures are not military at all. Most likely, if they come to power in my country, there'll be more sensible Negotiators for nuclear disarmament and withdrawal of the Soviet troops from many parts of the world.
Speaker 1: But if someone from the Party structure or the KGB structure were to give the orders for a military They have to obey.
Speaker 0: They have to follow. They are professional military. But they you see the triangle of power and hate in USSR is the party at the top, the party elite, the oligarchy of the party, then the military and the KGB at the bottom. They hate each other, and, the most hated triangle, The most hated corner of the triangle is the Communist Party bureaucrats. They are the most adventuristic, Senile megalomaniacs.
They can start war. I wouldn't be surprised. Not the military. They know what war is. At least my father did.
This is the picture taken at the at the entrance of my Institute of Oriental Languages. It's a part of Moscow State University. I, graduated in 1963. And I
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Which one were you on?
Speaker 0: I I am on the right. You're on the right. And on the left is my My schoolmate, Vadim Svyarnov, who later was an apparatchik in the central committee of the Soviet Union Communist Party. What is an apparatchik? It's it's a it's a function.
It's something like civil service in British Empire. Some someone who is never fired from from the service. He stays there internally. He may not be promoted too high, but he's a dependable, bureaucrat who will stay forever. I studied not only languages, but also history, literature, even music.
I'm I'm on this picture, I'm trying to learn how to play musical, Indian musical instrument. I even tried to look like an Indian when I was 2nd years to
Speaker 1: Not bad, right?
Speaker 0: Yes. Actually, it was strongly encouraged by the by the instructors in my school because, this the graduates of my school were later on employed as diplomats, foreign journalists, or spies. As every Soviet student, I was, quote unquote, volunteering for harvesting grain in Kazakhstan. This is a a biggest, agricultural blunder of the Soviet government. But, I didn't have much choice, of course, because the communist motto borrowed from the Bible says, those who do not work shall not eat, and you can see me eating.
Therefore, I was working and you can see how happy I was about it. I went through a very extensive physical and military training, including the manure, and including the, military gains in in, areas, Suburban areas of Moscow. And here, for example, we are on the tour in Arkhangelsk area. And by the end of my training in school, I was recruited by the KGB. This picture was taken on that day, and you can see again how happy it feels to be recruited by the KGB.
Speaker 1: Our conversation with Yuri Alexandrovich Besmianov, who is a defector from the Soviet Union, a former propaganda agent for Novasty and the KGB, We'll continue after this message.
Speaker 0: Alright. As every student in USSR, I I went through very extensive physical and military training And civil defense training too. Unlike in United States, where civil defense is virtually nonexistent, 0. In USSR, every student, whatever is major subject has to go through very extensive 4 year military and civil defense training. You can see me here with a group of students during one of the war games near Moscow.
The main idea, of course, is to prepare a huge reserve army of of of the USSR. Each student has to to graduate as a junior lieutenant. In my case, it was administrative and military intelligence service. My first assignment was to India as a translator with the Soviet economical aid group building refinery complexes in Bihar state and Gujarat state. At that time, I was still naively, idealistically believing that what I was doing contributes to the understanding and cooperation between the nations.
It took me quite a number of years to realize that what we were bringing to India was a new type of colonialism, thousand times more oppressive and exploitative than any colonialism or imperialism in in history of mankind. But at that time, I was still hoping that, well, maybe it's not that bad, could be worse, and things may go for better, and I even try to implement the beautiful Marxist motto, proletarians of all the countries unite. I tried to unite with a nice Indian girl, and I was actually, I was fascinated by Indian culture, by by the family life in in this country. But, obviously, Communist Party had different plans for my genes, so I had to marry this beautiful Russian girl. In the span of my career, I married three times.
Most of these marriages were marriages of convenience on advice from the Department of Personnel. This is normal practice in USSR. The Soviet citizen is assigned to a foreign job, he has to be married either to keep family in USSR as hostages, Or if it's a convenience marriage like mine, so that the husband and wife are virtually informers on each other prevent defection or, contamination by decadent imperialist or capitalist ideas. In my case, I hated that girl so much that the moment I landed in Moscow, we, we were divorced and I, I married late a second time. By the end of my first assignment in India, I was promoted to the position of of public relation officer.
You can see me here Translating a speech by a Soviet boss.
Speaker 1: And you're on the right.
Speaker 0: I'm on the right here. Yes. And it was The occasion was commissioning of the refinery complex in Bihar, Baroni. Back in Moscow, I was immediately by Novasty Press Agency, which is a propaganda and ideological subversion front for the KGB. 75% of the members of the Novus Tea are commission officers of the KGB.
The other 25 are, like myself, co opted agents who are assigned to specific operations. In this particular case, you can see me talking to students of Lumumba Friendship University in Moscow. This is the unit a a huge school under the, direct control of the KGB and Central Committee where future leaders of the so called national liberation movements are being educated and selected carefully. And some of them have absolutely they neither this, for example, is a group of students from Lumumba. They don't look like students at all.
They look more like military, and that's exactly what they were. They were dispatched back to their countries to be leaders of the so called national liberation movements or to be translated into normal human language, Leaders of, international terrorist groups. Another, area of activity when I was working for the Novice team was to accompany groups of so called progressive intellectuals, writers, journalists, publishers, teachers, professors of of of colleges. You can see me here in Kremlin. I'm second on on the left with a group of Pakistani and Indian intellectuals.
Most of them pretend that they don't understand that, the we are actually working on behalf of the Soviet government and the KGB. They pretended that they are actually being guests, VIP intellectuals that they are treated according to their merits and and and their intellectual abilities. For us, they were just a bunch of political prostitutes to be taken advantage for various propaganda operations. Therefore, you can see perfectly well, the senior colleague of mine on the left doesn't really have that much respect on his face, And myself with a very skeptical smile, typical KGB sarcastic smile, anticipating Another victim of of ideological brainwashing. This is how a typical, conference in headquarters in Moscow look like.
Sitting in the middle is Boris Burkhov, the then director of Novasty press agency, high ranking party bureaucrat in the Department of Propaganda. I am standing next to a famous Indian poet, Panth, he was famous because he was an author. He was the author of a famous poem titled Rhapsody to Lenin. That's why he was invited to USSR, and everything was paid, by the Soviet government. Pay special attention to number of bottles on the table.
This is one of the ways to kill the awareness or curiosity of of foreign journalists. My one of my functions was to keep foreign guests permanently intoxicated the moment they land at Moscow Airport. I had to take them to the VIP launch and toast to friendship and understanding within the nations of the world, glass of vodka, then the second glass of vodka. And in no time, my guests would be feeling very happy. They would see everything in kind of pink, nice color, And, that's the way I I had to keep them permanently for the next 15 or 20 days.
At certain point in time, I had to withdraw alcohol from them so that some of them who are the most recruitable would feel a little bit shaky, guilty trying to remember what they were talking last night, that's the time to approach them with all kind of nonsense such as join communique or statement for for Soviet propaganda. That's the time they are in the most flexible. And, of course, what they didn't understand, they didn't realize or pretended not to realize that myself, who was drinking together with them, was not drinking at all. I had ways to get rid of alcohol through various techniques, including special pills, which were given to me by my colleagues, but they were taking it seriously. In other words, they they they would consume quite a large volumes of alcohol and feel quite uneasy next morning.
In 1967, the KGB attached me to this Magazine, Look Magazine, a group of 12 people arrived to USSR from United States to cover the 50th anniversary of October socialist revolution in my country. From the first page to the last page, it was a package of lies, propaganda cliche, which were presented to American readers as opinions and deductions of American journalists. Nothing could be far from truth. This were not opinions. They were not opinions at all.
They were the cliches which the Soviet propaganda wants American public to think that they think. Yeah. If it does make any sense at all, It sure does because from the viewpoint of the Soviet propaganda, although there are some subtle criticism of the Soviet system, the basic message is that Russia today is a nice functioning efficient system supported by majority of population. That's the biggest lie. And, of course, American intellectuals and journalists from Luke Magazine elaborated on that untruth in various different ways.
They intellectualized that lie. They found all kind of justifications for telling lies to American public.
Speaker 1: This is Excuse me, it was partly your job to make sure that they got these ideas and accepted them as their own ideas.
Speaker 0: Right. Actually, even before they arrived to USSR and they paid astronomical sum of money for that visit, They were submitted the this Novosy press agency developed so called backgrounders, 20, 25 pages of information and opinions, which were presented to the journalists even before they bought their tickets to Moscow. They had to analyze the situation, and judging on their reaction to that background, The local Mavista representative or local Soviet diplomat in Washington DC would assess whether they have whether they be given visa to USSR or not. They were selected at the time. They were they were preselected very carefully, and, there is not much chance for honest journalists to arrive to USSR and to stay there for 1 year and to bring this, package of lies back home.
This, for example, is a centerfold of the tie of of the Luke Magazine. They presented this monument erected by Communist Party in Stalingrad as the symbol personification of Russian military might. And they said in the article, which is published on on the side that Soviets are very proud of the victory in the 2nd World War. This is another big myth, A lie. Most sensible people would be proud to lose 20,000,000 of their countrymen in a war which was started by Genoese, Hitler, and comrade Stalin and paid by American multinationals.
Most of the Soviet citizens look at this type of monuments with disgust and sorrow because every family lost father, brother, sister, or child in the 2nd World War. Yet American journalists who were trying to appease to please their hosts presented this picture on the centerfold As the symbol and personification of Soviet national, they call it Russian national spirit. And it was greatest greatest misconception and and a very tragic misunderstanding. Of course, LOOK Magazine was not distributed in USSR. The main, audience was in United States.
But, I presume that many Americans, millions of Americans who were reading Luke Magazine at that time had absolutely wrong idea about the sentiments of my nation, about what the Soviets are proud of and what they hate. This is a group. You see the same lady with this ward In Stalingrad, this is the group of journalists. Myself is in the center with the same devilish smile, and mister Philip Harrington is on the Stream left there with with his camera. This is the gentleman which was so deaf or so uninterested in what I had to say to him.
This is the same picture, a blow up of the same of the same picture. Many many guests from various countries, in this particular case from Asia and Africa, were taken by me As a novice press agency employee, for a tour across Siberia, for example, we would show them Typical kindergarten, you see? Nothing special by American standards. Just nice children sitting, eating their breakfast or or lunch. What they could not understand or they pretended not to understand that this is an exemplary kindergarten.
This is not the kindergarten for every person or every family in USSR, and we maintain that illusion in their minds. You can see myself under the red spot in the middle there, with the same business like expression. I'm on you know, I'm doing my job. That That's what I'm assigned to do, and that's what I was paid to do. But deep inside, I still hope that at least some of these useful idiots would understand that What they are looking at has nothing to do with the level of affluence in my nation.
This is a better picture which reflects the true spirit of of the Soviet, Soviet childhood. This picture was printed in a Canadian government publication by mistake. In the middle, you can see children playing on a a small courtyard, and the caption goes, this is a typical kindergarten in Siberia. What these idiots didn't understand that it is not kindergarten at all. It is a prison for children of political prisoners, But there was not a single mentioning that what they were visiting actually was an area of concentration camps.
And the job of people like myself to help them to not to notice that they are actually talking to prisoners. Most of the children were dressed, especially on the occasion of the foreigners visit. The, of course, there were no corpses in on the ground. There were no machine gun guards, and, the well, it looks not very pleasant as you see. It's a it it looks dull, but, obviously, it does not create an impression This is actually a prison.
Speaker 1: Well, did any of the journalists have the curiosity to ask about The prisons and that kind of thing. They're in Siberia.
Speaker 0: This is
Speaker 1: what you associate.
Speaker 0: Yes. Some of them ask questions and naturally, we would give them for the stupid question, we give them stupid answer. No. There are no prisons in Siberia. No.
Most of the people who are who you see are free citizens of USSR. They are very happy to be here, and and they are contributing to the glory of the socialist system. Some of them pretended that They they believe what what I was telling them. And, most of them, we may discuss it later. What are the motivations of these people?
Why would they stubbornly bring lies to their own population through their own mass media? I have various answers So there's there's not a single explanation. It's a complex of explanations. It's fear, pure biological fear. They understand that they are on the territory of an enemy state, a police state.
And just to save their rotten skins and their miserable jobs, their affluence back home, They would prefer to tell a lie than to to ask truthful questions and and report truthful information. 2nd, most of these schmucks were afraid to lose their jobs because, obviously, if you tell truth about my country, you will not last long as a correspondent of New York Times or Los Angeles Times. They will fire you. What kind of correspondent are you? You obviously cannot find common language with Russians if they kick you out in 24 hours.
So just by by trying to be conformist to their own editorial bosses, They tried not to offend the sentiments of the Soviet administrators and people like myself. Deep inside, I hope they would insult my or offend by sentiment. Obviously, they prefer not to. Another reason, I did I I refuse to believe it, but, obviously, there is another reason. Obviously, it's agreed.
These people earn a lot of money When they come back to USA, they claim that they are experts on my country. They write books which sells a 1000000 copies title like Russians, the truth about Russia. Most of it is lie about Russia, yet they claim to be Sovietologists. They they bring they play back myth about my country, the propaganda cliches, yet they stubbornly resist, the word of truth. If a a person like Solzhenitsyn is either defecting or kicked out of USSR, they try all their best to to discredit him and to discourage him.
I don't have much chance to appear on national network, with a true story about my country. But a useful idiot like Kendrick Smith or Robert Kaiser, they are big heroes. They come back from USSR. They say, oh, we were talking to dissidents in Russia. Big deal.
Soviet dissidents are chasing American correspondents in the streets, and they are cowardly escaping from these contacts. For some strange reason, if you want to know more about Spain, you refer to Spanish writers. If you want to learn more about French, you read French or writers. Even about Antarctica, I bet you would read penguins. Only about the Soviet Union for some Strange reason, you read Hendrix and Schmendricks and all kind of Kysinger's because they claim that they know more about my country.
They know nothing or next to nothing, or they pretend that they know more than they actually do. I would say they are dishonest People who lack integrity and, common sense and intellectual honesty, they bring back all kind of stories like that. A kindergarten in Siberia. Meeting the most important fact, it's a prison for children of political prisoners. Another greatest example of monumental idiocy of American politicians.
Edward Kennedy was in Moscow, And he thought that he is a popular charismatic American politician who is easygoing, who can smile, dance at the wedding in in Russian Palace of Marriages. What he done what he did not understand, or maybe he pretended not to understand, that, Actually, he was being taken for a ride. This is a staged wedding especially to impress foreign media or or useful idiots like Ed Kennedy. Most of the of the guests there, they they they had security clearance, and they were instructed what to say to foreigners. This is exactly what I was doing.
You can see me in the same damn wedding palace In Moscow where Ed Kennedy was dancing here, you see smiling. He thinks he's very smart. From the viewpoint of Russian citizens who observe this idiocy, he He's he's narrow minded, egocentrical idiot who tries to earn his own popularity through the, through participation in propaganda farces like this. Here, you can see myself. On the right, again, exemplary Soviet bride.
On the left, 3 journalists from various countries, Asia, Africa, and Latin America, obviously, they enjoying They they will go back home and write the reports. We were present in the on a regular Soviet wedding. They were not present on a regular Soviet wedding. They were present. They were part of a farce of a circus performance.
Another thing which I had to sometimes risking my life to explain to foreigners. Time Magazine, for example, is very critical of South African racist regime. The whole article was dedicated to the shameful internal passport system where black blacks are not allowing to live with whites. For some strange reason, for the last 14 years since my defection, nobody wanted to pay attention to my passport. This is my This is my passport.
It also shows my nationality, and it it it has a police rubber stamp, which is called in Russian language, which assigns me to a certain area of residence. I cannot leave that area. Same way as this black man cannot leave the area in South Africa. Yet we call South African government racist regime. Not a single Jane Jane Shmanda or Fonda is brave enough, courageous enough to come to media and say, look.
This is what happens in USSR. I send a copy of of my passport to many American Liberals and civil rights, defenders and and all the other useful idiots, they never they never bothered to answer me back. This shows what kind of integrity, what kind of honesty these people are. They're a bunch of hypocrites because they don't want to recognize A good example of racism in my country. This is the first stage of befriending a professor.
Can see myself on the left with the same James Bond smile. On my on the right is my KGB supervisor, comrade Leonid Mitrokhin, And in the middle of professor of political science in Delhi University. The next stage would be to invite him to a gathering of In the Soviet Friendship Society, there he is sitting next to his wife before he is being sent to USSR for free trip. Everything is paid by the Soviet government. He was made to believe that he's invited to USSR because he's a talented, Sober thinking intellectual, absolutely false.
He's invited because he's a useful idiot because he would agree and subscribe to most of the Soviet propaganda cliche. And when he is coming back to to his own country, he is going for years years to teach the beauties of Soviet socialism to, newer and newer generations of his students, thus promoting the Soviet propaganda line. The KGB was even curious about this gentleman. It may look innocent. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a great spiritual leader or maybe a great charlatan and crook depending on which from which side you are looking at him.
Beatles were trained at his Ashram in Hadwar in India, how to meditate. Mia Farrow and and other, useful idiots from Hollywood visited his school, and they returned back to to United States absolutely zoned out of their minds with marijuana, Hashish and crazy ideas of meditation. To meditate, in other words, to isolate oneself from the current social and political issues of your own country to get into your own bubble, to forget about troubles of the world. Obviously, KGB was very fascinated with such a beautiful school, such a brainwashing center for stupid Americans. I was dispatched by the KGB to check what kind of VIP Americans attend this school
Speaker 1: at UNLV?
Speaker 0: Yes, I am on the left. I I I was trying to get enrolled in that school. Unfortunately, the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi asked too much. He wanted 500 American dollars for enrollment. But my function was not actually to get enrolled in the school.
My function was to discover what kind of people from United States attend this school. And we discovered that, yes, there are some influential members of family, public opinion makers of United States who come back with the crazy stories about Indian philosophy, Indians themselves look up upon them as idiots, useful idiots. To say nothing about KGB who looked at them as as as extremely naive, misguided people. Obviously, a VIP, say, a wife of of of a congressman or or a prominent Hollywood personality after the after being trained in that school is much more instrumental in the hands of of manipulators of public opinion and KGB than a normal person who who understands, who who who looks through this this, this this type of of, fake religious training.
Speaker 1: But why would they be more susceptible to manipulation?
Speaker 0: I just mentioned Because you see, a a person who is too much involved in in in introspective meditation. You see, if you carefully look what what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is teaching to to Americans is that all most of the problems, Most of the burning issues of today can be solved simply by meditating. Don't don't don't rock the boat. Don't get involved. Just sit down, look at your navel, and meditate.
And the things due to some strange logic due to cosmic vibration will will will settle down by themselves. This is exactly what the KGB and Marxist Leninist propaganda wants from Americans, to distract their opinion, attention and mental energy from real issues of United States into a non issues, into a non world, non existent, harmony. Obviously, it's more beneficial for the Soviet aggressors to have a bunch of duped Americans than Americans who are self conscious, healthy, physically fit, and alert to to the reality. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi obviously is not on the payroll of the KGB. But whether he knows it or not, he contributes greatly to demoralization of American society.
And he's not the only one. There are hundreds of those gurus who come to you to your country to capitalize on naivete and stupidity of of Americans. It's a fashion. It's a fashion to meditate. It's a fashion not to be involved.
So, obviously, you can see that if if KGB were, That curious. If they paid my trip to Hadvar, if they assigned me to that to that strange job, obviously, they were very much fascinated. They were convinced that that type of of of brainwashing is very efficient and instrumental in demoralization of the United States.
Speaker 1: Our conversation with Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmynoff, who is a defector from the Soviet Union, a former propaganda agent for Novasty and the KGB, We'll continue after this message.
Speaker 0: This picture shows the part of the building of USSR Embassy and my supervisors. On the left is Comrade Meghdi, an Indian communist, and on the right, Most of the activity of that department was to compile huge amount volume of information All individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion, publishers, editors, journalists, actors, educationalists, professors of political science, members of parliament, representatives of business circles. Most of these people were divided roughly in 2 groups. Those who would tow the Soviet foreign policy, they would be promoted to the positions of power through media and public opinion manipulation. Those who refuse the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated or executed physically, convolution.
Same way as in a small town of Hue in South Vietnam. Several thousands of Vietnamese were executed in one night when the city was captured by Vietcong for only 2 days. An American CIA could never figure out how could possibly communists know each individual where he lives, where where to get him, and would be arrested in one night, basically, in some 4 hours before dawn, put on a van, taken out of the city limits, and shot. The answer is very simple. Long before communist occupied the city, there was extensive network of informers, Local Vietnamese citizens who knew absolutely everything about people who are instrumental in public opinion, including barbers and taxi drivers.
Everyone who is sympathetic to United States was executed. Same thing was done under the guidance of of the Soviet Embassy in Hanoi, and same thing I was doing in New Delhi. To my horror, I discovered that in the files where people were doomed to execution, there were names of of pro Soviet journalist with whom I was personally friendly.
Speaker 1: Pro Soviet.
Speaker 0: Yes. They were idealistically minded leftists who, made several visits to USSR. And yet the KGB decided that come revolution or drastic changes in political structure of India, they will have to go. Why is that? Because they know too much.
Simply because, you see, the useful idiots, the the leftists who are Idealistically believing in the beauty of Soviet socialist or communist of whatever system. When they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That's why my KGB instructors specifically made the point, never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher.
This was my instruction. Try to get into into, large circulation, established conservative media, rich, filthy rich movie makers, intellectuals, so called academic circles, cynical, egocentric people who can look into your eyes with angelic expression and tell you a lie. These are the most recruitable people, people who lack moral principles who are either too greedy or too, suffer from self importance. They feel that, they they matter a lot. These are the people who KGB wanted very much to recruit.
Speaker 1: But to eliminate the others, to execute the others. Don't they serve some purpose? Wouldn't they be the
Speaker 0: ones you
Speaker 1: rely on?
Speaker 0: They serve purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in in United States. All these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defender, they are instrumental in the process of the of the, subversion only to destabilize the nation. When their job is completed, they are non they are not needed anymore. They know too much.
Some of them, when when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist Lenin has come to power, obviously, they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot, but they may turn into the most bitter enemies of Marxist Leninists when they come to power. And that's what happened in Nicaragua.
You remember most of these, former Marxist Leninists were either put to prison Or one of them split, and now he's working against Sandinistas. It happened in in, Grenada when Maurice Bischoff was. He was already a Marxist. He was executed by by a new Marxist who was more Marxist than this Marxist. Same happened in Afghanistan when, first, there was Taraki.
He was killed by Amin. Then Amin was killed by Babrakar Mal with the help of KGB. Same happened in in Bangladesh when Munjibur Rahman, very pro Soviet leftist was assassinated by his own Marxist Leninist military comrades. It's the same pattern everywhere. The moment They serve their purpose.
All the useful idiots are used either be executed entirely, all the idealistically minded Marxist, or, exiled or put in prisons like in Cuba. Many, many former Marxists are in Cuba, in in prison. So most of the Indians who were cooperating with the Soviets, especially without, the Department of of, information of the USSR embassy were listed for execution. And when I discovered that fact, Of course, I was sick. I was mentally and physically sick.
I thought that I'm I'm going to explode one day during the briefing at the ambassador's office, I would stand up and say something that we are basically a bunch of murderers. That's what we are. We it has nothing to do with friendship and understanding between the nation and blah blah blah. We are murderers. We behave as as bunch of thugs in in a country which which is hospitable to us, a country which which with ancient traditions.
But I I I did not defect. I tried to get the message across to my horror. Nobody wanted even to listen, least of all to believe what I had to say. And I tried all kind of tricks. I would I would I would, leak information through letters, or lost documents or something like that.
And still, I got no message. The message was not published Even in the conservative mass media of of India, the immediate impulse to defect was Bangladesh crisis, which was described by American correspondence As Islamic Grassroot Revolution, which is absolute baloney, there was nothing to do with Islam, and there was no Grassroot Revolution. Actually, there are no Grassroot Revolutions, period. Any revolution is a byproduct of a highly organized group, of conscientious and professional Organizers, but it has nothing to do with grassroots. In Bangladesh, it was nothing with grassroots.
Most of the, Avami League party members, Avami League means people's party, were trained in Moscow in the high party school. Most of the Muqtifawje leaders Muqtifawje is in Bengali means people's army, same as SWAPO and and all kind of liberation armies all over the world, the same bunch of useful idiots. They were trained at Lumumba University and various centers of the KGB in Semferopol, in in Crimea, and in Tashkent. So when I saw that India Indian territory is being used as a as a jumping board to destroy East Pakistan, I saw myself, thousands of of so called students, traveling through India to East Pakistan, through the territory of India, And Indian government pretended not to see what what's going on. They knew perfectly well.
The Indian police knew it. The intelligence department of Indian government knew it. The KGB, of course, knew it, and the CIA knew it. That that was most infuriating because when I defected and I explained to the CIA debriefers, They should watch out because East Pakistan is going to erupt any moment. They said I was I was reading too many James Bond novels.
Anyway, so East Pakistan was doomed. One of my colleagues in the Soviet consulate in Calcutta, when he was dead drunk, he ventured into the basement to to relieve himself. And he found the big boxes, which said printed matter to Dhaka University. Dhaka is a capitalist, Pakistan. And since he was drunk and curious, he opened one of the boxes, and he discovered not printed metric.
He discovered Kalashnikov guns and ammunition in there. Anyway, it's a long story. When I saw the the preparations for the for the, invasion into East Pakistan, obviously, I wanted to defect immediately. The only thing I couldn't I couldn't at that time, make up my mind when and where and how. One of the reasons, of course, you see, I was In love with India, I mentioned it before.
I spoke the languages. I socialized with people, and I understood that I had to to act fast unless I want this beautiful country to be permanently and irreparably damaged by our presence. One of the reasons not to defect was, as you can see, I was living in relative affluence. Who the hell in in in a normal mind would defect And do what? To be abused by your media?
To be called McCarthyist and fascist and paranoid? Or to drive a taxi in New York City? What 4, what the hell for should I defect? To be abused by by Americans, to be insulted in exchange for for my effort to bring the truthful information about Intending dangerous subversion. As you can see, I was living in quite a comfortable conditions next to swimming pool where Indians were not allowed, by the way.
I was highly paid expert in propaganda. I had my family. I was respected by my nation. My career was cloudless. The third reason, how to defect with the family?
To defect with the baby and the wife would be virtual suicide because according to law, that hypocritical law which I quoted before, the Indian police will have to hand me over back to the KGB, and that will be the end of my defection and probably my life. Again, I cannot smuggle my wife because she was not quite sure what what I was doing. She was not that idealistically involved, and she was definitely not in in in the total picture of what I was doing for the KGB. She would be shocked If I if I, you know, put her in my van and and drive her to American embassy or elsewhere, that would be a greatest danger. So, again, I had to defect in such a way that my defection would look as simple disappearance.
And there were many cases like that When the Soviet agents simply disappeared, either killed in action or thanks to their curiosity and and their close contacts with radicals. Some of them were killed by the Marxists, by the way. It happened in many African countries when the Soviet KGB were killed by themselves, not because they hated Marxists and Leninists, but because they were simply trigger happy bunch of unruly characters. If you give them machine gun, they will shoot. And some of the Soviets obviously were not careful enough to protect themselves, and they got into embarrassing situations when they were Shot at the crossfire between factions of of so called liberation movements.
Anyway, so I I decided, as I said, to study the, counterculture. I decided this probably would be the best way to disappear. I socialized with characters like this on the left. You see, he's a barefoot American hippie. It took me quite a long time to study exactly what they were doing and how to mix with them, But, eventually, I did.
Most of Indian newspapers carried my picture and promise of 2,000 rupees for information about my whereabouts. But they were looking for wrong person because they obviously tried to stop, young Soviet diplomat in White shirt and tie, and this is how I looked at the time of defection. Nobody could possibly think that the Soviet diplomat be as crazy as to join a bunch of hippies. That's you. Try yes.
Travel India and smoke ash. So I made it Literally, it it almost like a Hollywood style, detective story. From under the nose of the KGB The in Bombay Airport, I landed the plane, and I flew to to Greece where I was debriefed by the CIA. That's basically most That's all for my slides.
Speaker 1: We can turn off the projector. And that's very interesting. Well, you spoke several times Before about ideological subversion, that is a phrase that, I'm afraid some Americans don't fully understand.
Speaker 0: When
Speaker 1: The Soviets used the phrase ideological subversion. What do they mean by it?
Speaker 0: Ideological subversion is is the process which is legitimate, overt, and open. You you can see it with your own eyes. All all you have to do, all American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes, and they can see it. There is no mystery. There is nothing to do with espionage.
I know that espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic. It sells more deodorants through the advertising, probably. That's why Your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of of of thrillers. But in reality, The main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion and opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such.
The other 85% is a slow process, which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, in the language of of the KGB or psychological warfare. What it basically means is To change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information, No one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country. It's a great brainwashing, process, which goes very slow, and it's divided in in 4 basic stages. The first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation.
Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which requires to, educate 1 generation of students in the country of of of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy. In other words, Marxism Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of of of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism. The result the result you can see, most of the people who graduated in sixties, Dropouts or half baked intellectuals are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, educational system. You are stuck with them.
You cannot get rid of them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind even if you if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black.
You still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behavior. In other words, these people, The process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To get rid society of these people, you need another 20 or 15 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of the United States society.
Speaker 1: And yet these people who've been programmed and, as you say, in place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept, These are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country?
Speaker 0: Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock, When when they will see in future what the what the beautiful society of equality and social justice means in practice, obviously, they will revolt. They they they will, they they will be very unhappy, frustrated people. And the Marxist Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. They, obviously, they will join the links of dissenters dissidents.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: Unlike in present United States. There will be no place for dissent in in future Marxist Leninist America. Here, you can you can get popular like, Daniel Ellsberg and filthy rich like Jane Fonda for being dissident for criticizing your Pentagon. In future, these people will be simply squashed like cockroaches. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful, noble ideas of equality.
This, they don't understand, and, it will be greatest shock for them, of course. The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's overfulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously, not even Comradhan Dropov and and all his experts would would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore.
A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with with authentic prove with documents, with pictures. Even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he he's going to receive a kick in the in his fat bottom. When a military boot crashes his, Then he will understand, but not before that.
That's the tragic of the situation of demoralization. So, basically, America is stuck with with demoralization. And unless even if if you start right now, here, this minute, you start educating new generation of American, It will still take you 15 to 20 years to turn the tide of, of ideological perception of reality back to normal normalcy and and patriotism. The next stage is destabilization. This time, subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption.
Whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby, it doesn't matter anymore. This time, and it takes only from 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation, it's what matters is essentials, economy, foreign relations, defense systems. And you can see it quite clearly that in some areas, in such sensitive areas as as, defense and economy. The influence of Marxist Leninist ideas in the United States is Absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed, in this part of the world that the process will go that fast.
The next stage, of course, is crisis. It it it may take only up to 6 weeks to to bring a country to the verge of crisis. You can see it in in Central America now. And after crisis with a violent change of power, structure and economy, you have so called the period of normalization. It may last indefinitely.
Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in 'sixty 8, Comrade Brezhnev said, Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized. This is what will happen in United States if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind of goodies and the paradise on Earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition and to put a big brother government in Washington DC with the benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale, who will promise lots of thing. Never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not. He will go to Moscow to kiss the bottoms of of new generation of Soviet assassins.
Never mind. He will create false illusions that The situation is under control. Situation is not under control. Situation is disgustingly out of control. Most of the American politicians, Media and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at a peacetime.
False. United States is in the state of war, undeclared total war against the basic principles and the foundations of this system. And the initiator of this war is not comrade D'Andropov, of course. It's it's the system. However ridiculous it may sound, the world communist system or the world communist conspiracy, whether I scared.
Some people are not. I don't give a hoot. If if you are not scared by now, nothing can scare you. But you don't have to be paranoid about it. What what actually happens now that unlike myself, you have Literally, several years to live on unless United States wake up.
The the time bomb is ticking. With every second, The disaster is coming closer and closer. Unlike myself, you will have nowhere to defect to unless you want to live in This is it. This is the last country of freedom and and possibility.
Speaker 1: Okay. So what do we do? What is your recommendation to the American people?
Speaker 0: Well, the the the immediate thing that comes to my mind is, of course, there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in in in the spirit of real patriotism, number 1. Number 2, to to explain them the real danger of socialist, communist, whatever, welfare state, big brother government. If people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development, nothing ever can help United states you may kiss goodbye to your freedom, including freedoms to to homosexuals, to prison inmate. All this freedom will vanish, evaporating in 5 seconds, including your precious lives. The second thing, I the moment at least part of United States population is convinced that the danger is real.
They have to force their government. And I'm not talking about sending letters, signing petitions, and all this beautiful noble activity. I am talking about forcing United States government to stop aiding communism Because there is no other problem more burning and and urgent than to stop the Soviet military industrial complex from destroying what is whatever is left of the free world. And it is very easy to do. No credits, no technology, No money, no political or diplomatic recognition, and, of course, no such EDS as grain deals to USSR.
The Soviet people, 270,000,000 of of Soviets, will be eternally thankful to you if you stop aiding A bunch of murderers who sit now in Kremlin and whom President Reagan respectfully calls government. They do not govern anything, least of all such complexity as the Soviet economy. So basic 2 2 very simple, maybe too simplistic answers or solutions. But never nevertheless, they are the only solutions. Educate yourself.
Understand what's going on around you. You are not living at the time of peace. You are in a state of war, and you have precious little time to save yourself. You don't have much time, especially if you are talking about young generation. There's not much time left for convulsions to the beautiful, disco music.
Very soon, it will go just just overnight. If we are talking about capitalists or or or wealthy businessmen, they I think they are selling the rope on which they will hang very soon. If they don't stop, if they cannot curb their unsettled desire for profit, and if they keep on trading with the monster of the Soviet communism, They are going to hang very soon, and it they will pray to be killed. But, unfortunately, they will be sent to Alaska probably to manage industry of slaves. It's it's simplistic.
I know it sounds unpleasant. I know Americans don't like to listen to things which are unpleasant, But I have defected not to tell you the stories about such idiocy as as microfilm James Bond type espionage. This is garbage. You don't need any espionage anymore. I have come to talk about survival.
It's a question of survival of this system. You may ask me, what is it in for me? Survival, obviously. Because unlike I as I said, I am now in your boat. If if we sing together, we'll sing beautifully together.
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