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Alex Jones Talks Trump In A Clip You Probably Havent Seen. A Few Of You May Have. https://t.co/BEYtp2Z0sZ
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Those were just time space continuum reflections of the third big change I was gonna be involved in, and that was bringing Donald John Trump into us. So I'm a say that again. I said, Austin, in the office. Because this is you guys are actually really good questions. This is gonna be a really good thing, but I'm a say it again in a minute. A shrink some of sermon after I said it. Because it it is it's it's it's the truth. I'm just gonna say it that I wish I never would've met Trump. I wish it never would've happened. And it's not that the attacks I've been through. So I'm so sick of Donald Trump, man. God, I'm sick of him. And I'm not doing this because it's like I'm kissing his ass. You know? It's just like I'm
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Speaker 0: Those were just time space continuum reflections of the third big change I was gonna be involved in, and that was bringing Donald John Trump into us. So I'm a say that again. I said, Austin, in the office. Because this is you guys are actually really good questions. This is gonna be a really good thing, but I'm a say it again in a minute.
A shrink some of sermon after I said it. Because it it is it's it's it's it's the truth. I'm just gonna say it that I wish I never would've met Trump. I wish it never would've happened. And it's not that the attacks I've been through.
So I'm so sick of Donald Trump, man. God, I'm sick of him. And I'm not doing this because it's like I'm kissing his ass. You know? It's just like I'm
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JUST IN - Tucker Carlson full interview with Donald Trump has been posted on X — WATCH HERE: https://t.co/7f1WmVY7IH
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The speaker explains his absence from the Fox News debate, citing his significant lead in the polls and the network's perceived bias. He criticizes cable news credibility, singling out MSNBC and CNN, and laments Tucker Carlson's departure from Fox. He names Chris Christie and Asa Hutchinson as undeserving presidential candidates.
The speaker questions Jeffrey Epstein's suicide, suggesting a possible cover-up by Bill Barr. He expresses concern about potential violence against him, blaming "sick" Democrats who "hate our country." He claims the 2020 election was rigged and criticizes Joe Biden's mental and physical state, doubting he'll reach the election. He also criticizes Kamala Harris.
He reflects on his relationships with Xi Jinping, Putin, and Kim Jong Un, claiming they respected the US more under his presidency. He accuses Biden of corruption, citing the "millions" from the mayor of Moscow's wife. He discusses the indictments against him, attributing them to political motivations and claiming they've boosted his poll numbers.
He pledges to secure the border, remove criminals, and criticizes EPA regulations on water usage. He recalls firing Comey and expresses distrust of the CIA. He defends his stance on the 2020 election, blaming Mike Pence for not sending votes back to state legislatures. He acknowledges the "tremendous passion" and "hatred" in the country, expressing uncertainty about potential open conflict.
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Speaker 0: It's debate night, but we're not in Milwaukee. Mister president, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 0: Why aren't you at the Fox News debate tonight in Milwaukee?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, a lot of people have been asking me that. Many people said you shouldn't do them, but you see the polls have come out and I'm leading by fifty and sixty points. And, you know, some of them are at one and zero and two. And I'm saying, do I sit there for an hour or two hours, whatever it's going to be, and get harassed by people that shouldn't even be running for president? Should I be doing that?
And a network that isn't particularly friendly to me, frankly. You know, they they were backing Ron to Sanctimonious like crazy and now they've given up on him. I mean, he's it's a lost cause. It reminded me very much of 2016. You know, in 2016, went through the same stuff and had to fight them all the way and then they became very friendly after I won or just about when I was winning.
But I just felt it would be more appropriate not to do the debate. I don't think it's right to do it. If you're leading by fifty, sixty I have one problem leading by 70 points and I'm saying, why am I doing it? And I'm gonna have eight people, 10 people, whoever made the debate, I don't know how many it is, but I'm gonna have all these people screaming at me, shouting questions at me, all of which I love answering, I love doing, but it doesn't make sense to do them. So I've taken a pass.
You probably noticed.
Speaker 0: Well, I I did. I'm grateful that you did. It's interesting though because you spent a lot of your career in television. Yeah. You had a top show in television on NBC.
But you don't feel the need now running for president to do television, obviously. Do you think television is declining?
Speaker 1: Well, according to a poll that I guess we just saw, it just came out where it's down like 35%, but I think they were talking referring to cable. I think cable's down because it's lost credibility. MSNBC or as they say, MSDNC is so bad. It's so wrong what they write and what they do and what they say. It's, you know, it's fake news as I said.
I think I came up with that term. I hope I did because it's a good one. It's not tough enough anymore. It's corrupt news. You know, really what you do is call corrupt news but somehow that doesn't play as nicely but it is corrupt news.
So you have MS, NBC, and you have CNN who's absolutely doing no ratings at all. I mean, they're dead. But they're doing none because they don't have credibility. They really don't have credibility. Fox is way down, as you know.
And the good old days are are long ago. I will say this, it could come back but they have they just don't have a lot of credibility, Tucker. You know that perhaps better than anybody. I think it was a terrible move getting rid of you. You were number one on television and all of a sudden you're we're doing this interview, but we'll get bigger ratings using this crazy forum that you're using, then probably probably the debate or competition.
Speaker 0: Who when you when you say there are people on stage who shouldn't be running for president, who do you mean?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't wanna really use names, but it wouldn't matter too much. A guy like I call him Ada Hutchinson. It's Aesop, but I call him Ada.
Speaker 0: What do you call him Ada?
Speaker 1: You know, I could tell you, but I don't wanna get myself in a little trouble. But he's weak and pathetic and he was I never understood the guy. I never knew him. He was the governor of Arkansas. I did not a very popular guy.
I don't know how he But that state is such a great state. The people are so incredible Yes. In that state, and they love me and I love them. How does this guy get elected governor of Arkansas? But he's nasty always and has been.
A guy like Chris Christie, the guy left with a 8% think of it, 8% approval rating in New Jersey. Now he's running for president, And he runs solely on the basis, oh, let's get Trump. Let's he's like a savage maniac. He's like a lunatic. And that's all he talks about.
His poll numbers are very, very low. He's about 2%.
Speaker 0: What's he like? You know him well.
Speaker 1: No. I've had I've been friendly with him over the years, but I couldn't give him a a job because I just never trusted him very much. I was just never one of his people that really trusted him. I never gave him the job, and that's one of the reasons he feels so hurt and so betrayed. And I understand that.
I really do. I understand it. But I never gave him, you know, he wanted to be different things. He was looking at different elements of the administration. And we decided I decided just I didn't wanna I didn't wanna do it.
And now I'm glad I did because you see, but, you know, we had some some great people. I had great people. We'll have even better people if we do this because now I know Washington. Before I didn't know Washington. But guys like Bill Barr were terrible.
I mean, they were, I would say, Bushies. I say that with respect to the Bush family, but they were Bushies and just it doesn't work out for us.
Speaker 0: Was clear. This is kind of far afield, it was just interesting. I read Barr's account of his time. He wrote a book about it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: His autobiography. And in it, he lies about Jeffrey Epstein's death. Clearly lies. Do do you think Epstein killed himself sincerely?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I will say that, you know, he was a fixture in Palm Beach.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Barr said about it either. I have no idea what he said. What did he say? He killed himself, probably?
Speaker 0: He said he killed himself and that they were gonna do this investigation. They never did an investigation. It's never been public. And they hid it and, like, why are they doing that? And clearly Barr knew.
But why would Bill Barr be covering up the death of Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 1: Bill Barr didn't do an investigation on the election fraud either. Okay. He said he did and he pretended he did, but he didn't. McSwain, the US attorney in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia said Barr Barr just wouldn't let him do it. It was crazy.
Barr became so petrified, so frightened of being impeached. We're gonna impeach him. I don't know if you remember it.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not a big moment in history. But they said, we're going to impeach you know, they play a much rougher game, the left, the lunatics. And they were gonna impeach Bill Barr, and he was petrified. Now, how do you not get impeached? Don't do any of this stuff.
But he didn't do the job there. I don't know what he did with Epstein, but possibly
Speaker 0: Do you think it's possible that Epstein was killed?
Speaker 1: Oh, sure. It's possible. I I mean, I don't really believe I think he probably committed suicide. He had a life with, you know, beautiful homes and beautiful everything, and he all of a sudden, he's incarcerated and not doing very well. I would say that he did, but there are those people.
There are many people. I think you're one of them. Right? But a lot of people think that he, he was killed. He knew a lot on a lot of people.
Speaker 0: He was killed. Think so. I think the more the closer you look I'm not a conspiracy person at all. I believe everything I hear. But, yeah, the the closer you look into it I mean, the attorney general of The United States, your attorney general, clearly lied about the Epstein death.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was Why? He was Certainly, it wasn't well done. They'd had no cameras. They had no anything.
Everybody was sleeping. And, you know, there the a case could be made. Look, I'm not gonna get involved in it, but I can tell you, a case could be made either way, but it certainly wasn't the most well run place.
Speaker 0: So so the reason I'm asking you is I'm looking at the trajectory since 2015 when you got into politics Yeah. You know, for real, and then one. There it started with protests against you, massive protests, organized protests by the left, and then it moved to impeachment twice. Right. And now indictment.
I mean, the next stage is is violence. Is are you worried that they're gonna try and kill you? Why wouldn't they try and kill you, honestly?
Speaker 1: They're savage animals. They are people that are sick, really sick. You have great people in the Democrat party. You have great people that are Democrats. Most of the people in our country are fantastic, and I'm representing everybody.
I'm not just Republicans or Right. President. I represent everybody. I'm the president of everybody. But I've seen what they do.
I've seen the lengths that they go to. When they make up the Russia, Russia, Russia, when that's exposed and they go down and Barr should have gone after them and other people should have gone after and they did very late because the Durham report came out. It was fairly good. It could have been a lot tougher, I guess, but it was fairly good. But it explained how corrupt it was.
I'll tell you who did a great job was the inspector general Horowitz. He did a phenomenal report. You didn't have to go to do it. He did it on Comey and on, I guess, McCabe and some others and it was a vicious it was basically a true report how bad they are. But these people are sick people.
These are people that I think they hate our country. You wanna know the truth? When you see open borders, when you see these policies that they have and so many other things, it's so sad to see. You know, we have a country that's very fragile right now. I've never seen.
I I will say, look, I ran in '16, which was '15, but I ran in '16, election in '16, and there was tremendous spirit. In '20, there was even more spirit. We got many millions of we got millions and millions more votes. You know, it wasn't even a contest. People said, well, what do you think of '20?
I said, we did much better. We did. You gotta base it on the number of votes. We got many more votes in '20 than we did in '16. But the election was rigged.
It was a rigged election. But and with COVID, they used COVID to cheat a lot of different things and we have so much on it. It's like so easy. But we had judges that didn't wanna look. We had people didn't wanna get involved.
They said that they called you, you she's a conspiracy theorist if you say anything about the election. But I have never seen Spirit like there is right now. Even coming down here, just the people on the road that are just absolutely going crazy. And the reason is, I think they like me and I I know they love my policies. I hope they like me too.
You know, lot of people say they don't like me but they like my I think they like me. But I have never seen spirit like it is right now. And the reason is because crooked Joe Biden is so bad. He's the worst president in the history of our country. I don't think he's gonna make it to the gate, but, you know, you never know.
But he's a corrupt person. So corrupt that I took the name off Hillary, you know. I don't do two people at one time. I took the crooked Hillary and I made it I retired the net. It was a good day for her.
I bet she was very happy. And I used it for Joe because it's crooked Joe. But Joe is really
Speaker 0: But you don't think he's gonna make it to November of twenty
Speaker 1: I think he's worse mentally than he is physically. And physically, he's not exactly a triathlete or any kind of an athlete. You look at him, can't walk to the helicopter. He he walks. He can't lift his feet out of the grass.
You know, it's only two inches at the White House. Right? It's not a lot. But you watch him and it looks like he's walking on toothpicks. And then you see him in the beach where he can't lift a chair.
You know, those chairs are meant to be light. Right? They're like two ounces. Yeah. Lift them up.
He can't lift the chair. He can't walk to the chair. And I I don't know what they're doing with the beach. You know, this beach is seeming to play a big role, but they love pictures of him on the beach. I think he looks terrible on the beach.
He looks terrible on the beach.
Speaker 0: His skinny legs?
Speaker 1: Well, he can't walk through the sand. You know, sand is not that easy to walk through. But when he walks through it, he can't walk through the sand. And there's somebody in there that thinks he looks fabulous at the beach. I think he looks horrible at the beach.
Plus, the beach doesn't represent what a president's supposed to be doing. He's supposed to be working. You're supposed to be getting us out of that horrible, horrible war that we're very much involved in with Russia and Ukraine. You could do that. You could do that very easily.
I believe you could do that very I I don't believe he could do it because he's just incompetent. But that's a war that should end immediately, not because of one side or the other, because hundreds of thousands of people are being killed. Can you imagine you're in an apartment house and rockets are going into that building and blowing it up and knocking it down? And who who can why why should anything why should anybody, human beings, usually human, whether they're Russian or Ukrainian or whatever they are, it's gotta be stopped. And it can be stopped very easily.
It would've never started if I were president, it would've never started.
Speaker 0: So back to Biden, I'm interested. So you think he's failing. He obviously is failing. I think it's clear to everybody. But that would make Kamala Harris the candidate?
Speaker 1: Well, not really. I mean, I guess they'd have maybe a free for all. A lot of people say she has to remain for certain reasons, the candidate. She has to. I don't think that's true, actually.
I don't think that other people would stand for She has some bad moments. Her moments are almost as bad as his. I think his are worse, actually.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But She seems pretty senile too.
Speaker 1: She speaks in in rhyme. You know? It's weird. It's weird. But she has bad moments and
Speaker 0: In rhyme? What do you
Speaker 1: Well, the way she talks, the bus will go here and then the bus will go there because that's what buses do. It's weird. The whole thing is weird. This is not a president of The United States future. And I think they probably have some kind of a primary and other people will get involved.
Speaker 0: Of Newsom. Right?
Speaker 1: I mean Could be. I mean, you know, I always got along well with him, believe it or not. But could be him, could be somebody else. He's got a big a big load on his shoulders because you look at California, what's happened. But I don't know if the American people really the people that vote for him, I don't even know if they care.
You know, you look at so many of the things that are going on and people don't seem to be in the old days, if you had a bad record, it meant a lot. Today, if you have a bad record, it doesn't really mean anything. You know, he looks good. He's a nice looking guy. He speaks well.
But Biden, every time you watch him talking, it's like he's walking on eggs. You're waiting for him to collapse and he almost always does. And I got to know the leaders of all of the countries essentially, but the big ones. And the bigger, the tougher the leader. You know, it's like sort of
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe that's the way it's supposed to be. But I got to know president Xi of China and Putin and Kim Jong Un, North Korea. Did a great job with North Korea. Kept us out of a nuclear war. We would have 40,000 dead soldiers right now.
They drop a nuke right on top of the military base. But we have 40,000 soldiers over there. And I did great. I got along with him great. It was a good that's a positive.
You know, the press said he said nice things about Kim Jong un. I also said horrible things at the beginning. Horrible enough that he wanted to talk. And we talked and we met in Singapore. We met actually twice and we had unbelievable meetings.
I know him very well. We were in great shape with him. The What
Speaker 0: do you think he and Xi and Putin think of Biden?
Speaker 1: I think they can't believe it. I think they probably say this is some kind of a system. You know, they had great respect for our country. They respected me. They had great respect for our country when I was there.
Every one of them look, if you go to if you go to North Korea, you take a look at what happened. You know, the Olympics was dead. South Korea spent billions on the Olympics. Nobody was gonna go. They didn't wanna get blown up.
They called me and they said, we are going to let the Olympics proceed. This is North Korea. I said, you should go into the Olympics. Put your athletes in. It wasn't like, you know, they were big on athletes because, you know
Speaker 0: Famine.
Speaker 1: But they went in and they actually participated. And within about two days, the entire thing was sold out. And if it wasn't me, that would have never happened. But I got along very well with him and that's a positive thing. He he does have massive nuclear power, by the way.
And if Hillary would have gotten in or if the Obama thought process continued, it would have been a nuclear war absolutely with North Korea. He was he was expecting to go into a war and then it would have been a nuclear war.
Speaker 0: What so do you think the rest of the world looks on at Biden and thinks someone else has gotta be running the government?
Speaker 1: Well, somebody else has to be. I don't think he's capable of doing anything. Look, when I debated him, I said, how come and this was in front of probably not a friend of yours, Chris Wallace. He was the moderator.
Speaker 0: Not a friend.
Speaker 1: I said, why did why is it he wants to be Mike, but he doesn't have the talent? Sixty minutes to. He was rough. Really? His father was tough.
He was great, though. He was great at what he did. But Chris Wallace was so upset. He was guarding this guy, who wouldn't do a show, by the way. You know, he wouldn't do I figured, I didn't mind Chris Wallace because he wouldn't do Biden wouldn't do a show and it was very obvious.
You know, he kept asking him and asking, but he wouldn't do the show. So I figured he's gotta like me, but he came from a different planet. But remember when I asked the question, why is it that the mayor of Moscow's wife is allowed to give you 3 and a half million dollars? Don't forget, that was brought up now. It's brought up all the time, but that was brought up by me long before anyone ever heard of it.
I said, the mayor of Moscow's wife given you 3 and a half million dollars. What did you do to deserve 3 and a half million dollars to Biden? And Chris Wallace said, this doesn't this has nothing to do with the debate. I mean, he fought
Speaker 0: He got in the way of the question.
Speaker 1: No. He well, it was it was crazy. And I said, well, wait a minute. He got 3 and a half million from the mayor of Moscow's wife. Now people forget that, but if you go back and take a look, you will see.
And Chris Wallace didn't want me to ask that question. I said, I think it's a very appropriate question. It turned out to be much more appropriate than people thought. Amazing.
Speaker 0: So do do you have a preference in assuming you're the Republican nominee and all goes as you plan it to go, do you have a preference in who you run against?
Speaker 1: In many ways, I'd love to run against him because his record's so bad. You know, it's still horrible when you look at inflation and everything else, but others also have very bad records. I mean, California's a bad record. So, you know, should it be Gavin or should it be somebody else? When I look at San Francisco, what's happened to that incredible city?
That was one of the greatest cities in the world just a short while ago, and now it's very sad when you look at it. Los Angeles. Every city, practically, all the democrat run cities, you know republican run cities are doing very nicely because they arrest people when you have crimes. And they don't go after political candidates because they think it's good, you know. I mean, it's like been amazing.
My poll numbers are the highest I've ever had. But because people understand it.
Speaker 0: Well, so we so can I just ask you that gets back to my original question? So if the protest didn't work, you got elected anyway. Impeachment didn't work twice, obviously. Indictment is not working. Your poll numbers go up.
When they raided Mar A Lago in August of last year, your numbers went up. They can indict you 20 times and it's not gonna you're not gonna lose the Republican primary because of that.
Speaker 1: Well, it makes it look even more ridiculous. I mean, the four indictments, maybe there'll be more. I don't know. These people are crazy.
Speaker 0: But they're counterproductive. So if you chart it out, it's an escalation Yeah. Is what I'm saying. Yeah. So what's next after, you know, trying to put you in prison for the rest of your life, that's not working.
So like, don't they have to kill you now?
Speaker 1: I I think the people of our country don't get enough credit for how smart they are. And I'm not sure I would have said this ten years ago, but they get it, you know? Really get it. When somebody gets indicted, your poll numbers go down. When somebody gets indicted, you announce, ladies and gentlemen, I'll be leaving to spend time with my family and to fight for the rest of my life on this stuff.
But you're out of politics. I got indicted four times. All trivia, nonsense, bullshit. It's all bullshit. It's horrible when you look and and you look at what they're doing.
The box is hoax. I'm covered by the presidential records act. I'm allowed to do exactly that. He's not covered and he's got 25 times the number of boxes and he's got them stored in Chinatown. He's got them stored in a flimsy garage underneath his Corvette.
At Penn and by the way, at Penn he gets millions of dollars. China pays this guy millions of dollars. See, I think he's the most corrupt president we've ever had. And he also has the distinction of being the most incompetent. And I believe both.
I mean, he's both incompetent and corrupt. So now I I actually believe he's compromised because China knows so much about him. They know where the money comes from, they know where it is, who paid it, and they probably paid it. Well, they do pay Penn and he gets a, you know, a million dollars. I think he takes $999,000 because, you know, keeps it a little bit under a million like by a dollar.
But he in many ways is a Manchurian candidate. We have a Manchurian candidate and he's afraid to tell Russia to get out of Cuba. He's afraid to tell China to get out of Cuba. He's afraid China now is building think of this. China's building military installations in Cuba.
The Cuban population of Miami is not too happy because they're never gonna be able to go back, and you don't even hear about it. And the worst culprit is the press, the media, because normally you know, when I first heard that, that China's building installations in Cuba, and installations means military installations. Okay. You know, they said just some communication. They did that on the islands with Japan.
They took the island, they started this massive construction, and they told everybody, including the Japanese. The Japanese had to be very careful. They told everybody that this is a housing development. They're gonna build a housing development. And I said, how come the runway is 20,000 feet long?
You know, private jets need 4,000 feet. They don't need 20,000 feet. The big ones need 20,000 feet. They don't even need 20. And I looked at the runway, I said, that's the largest runway ever built both in width and length for housing development.
There's nobody that has a plane that big that that you would have a runway that that's
Speaker 0: allowed to conduct imperialism in our hemisphere?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. And it's far beyond Cuba. It's all over South America.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And The Caribbean.
Speaker 1: So we built a thing called the Panama Canal. We lost thirty five thousand people to the mosquito, know, malaria. Yeah. We lost thirty five thousand people building we lost thirty five thousand people because of the mosquito. Vicious.
They had to build under nets. It was one of the true great wonders of the world. As he said, one of the nine wonders of the world. No. No.
It was one of the seven. It just happened a little while ago, you know. He says nine wonders of the world. You could make nine wonders. He would have been better off if he stuck with the nine and just said, yeah, I think it's nine.
But this is one of the true seven wonders of the world. And you take a look at the Panama Canal. It was such an incredible engineering marvel. We sold it under Jimmy Carter. We sold it to Panama for $1.
The following day, they quadrupled the amount of money the chips had to pay to get across. They didn't lose one chip. And now they've made it much bigger and now they've widened it. They've doubled it. Right?
They've more than doubled it. And it's one of the most profitable things. Anytime it it's it's just incredible. Right? We gave it away for $1.
China now controls it. They actually control the Panama Canal. They run it. They control it. And we shouldn't let that happen, and we can't let China be in Cuba.
And they'll get out. If I'm president, they'll get out. Because I had a very good relationship with president Xi, but he respected this country. He respected me, and he'll get out. And we can't let them run the Panama Canal.
We built the Panama Canal. Should have never been given to Panama. We should have had it. But we gave it for $1. Think of it.
They quadrupled. In one day, they lifted the fees which are, you know, pretty big for these massive ships to go through. Right? Rather than going around the cape and to hold the tremendous storms, such beauty, such you know, when you see it's beautiful stuff. But you didn't wanna get caught in those storms.
Those were storms that wiped out the biggest ships. And we go through the Panama Canal, we built it, and we gave it away for $1. Think of that, how stupid are we? We have done the stupidest things in this country and now we have a president that can't put two sentences together, can't speak, can't walk, can't talk. I don't think he gets to the starting gate, but these people do miracles.
I mean, he he ran out of his basement, and you got away with that one because of COVID, so he sort of got away with it. They cheated on the election. But you have people that are very smart, but they're fascists and they're radical left lunatics, and they're destroying our country with the all electric cars and the windmills all over the place, which, by the way, don't work, and they're all most of them made in China. For the most part, they're made in China. Germany, a little bit, but China.
But you look at what's happening to our country. Even no voter ID. I mean, why don't they want voter ID? There's only one reason they don't want voter ID, because they wanna cheat. Who doesn't want you know, the Democrat convention, the last one, they had voter ID that was this big.
It looked like a prison card. This big on their chest. You walked in, they had your picture, your this, your fingerprint. They had The most incredible voter ID I've ever seen. That was to get into the Democrat National Convention.
But to get in to vote, if you buy groceries, if you buy any practically anything now, you have ID on a card, credit cards or otherwise. And
Speaker 0: But that don't you think it's racist to have to show your ID?
Speaker 1: Well, they probably say that. They they use anything not to show ID because voter ID is pretty simple. And we could go back, and we should go back to all paper ballots, voter ID, same day voting. You know, France did it. France had mail in ballots, and it was terrible.
Anytime you have mail in ballots, you're gonna have massive cheating on your elections. Anytime. Not just the presidential election. Anytime you have
Speaker 0: Isn't that the whole point of them?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. It's the whole point. That's the whole point.
They wanna cheat. Yeah. They have to cheat because their policies are so bad that if they didn't cheat, couldn't get elected. Who wants open borders? Who wants high taxes?
Who wants high interest rates? Who wants to not be able to use a gas stove or have to drive an electric car which, you know, you have a four hour drive, but the car only goes an hour and a half years. You have to charge it. The happiest moment for somebody in an electric car is the first ten minutes. In other words, you get it charged and now for ten minutes.
The unhappiest part is the next hour because you're petrified that you're not gonna be fine to another charger. People I'm saying if people I'm not knocking electric cars, they're fine. They're fine. But if people wanna buy a gasoline car or a hybrid hybrids are pretty good, actually. But they should be allowed to buy they don't wanna do any of this.
So right now, California is in a big brownout because their grid is a disaster. The grid all over the country is sort of a disaster, but the grid in Calif And yet, they wanna have in a very short period of time millions and millions of cars going off that grid essentially. It doesn't work.
Speaker 0: So plug your car into a grid that's failing.
Speaker 1: You should be able to buy an electric car. You know, electric cars could be fine if you drive short distances and you wanna have, you know, whatever and you have plug ins everywhere you go. They could be fine. But you gotta have gasoline cars. You gotta have everything.
Let people buy everything. Now there's the new thing is your heating systems in the house. They don't want you to have a modern day heating system. They want you to use a heating system that will cost you at least $10,000 to buy and won't work very well. You know, none of the stuff works as well.
One of the things I did with EPA is you have states, many states, most of the states have so much water, you know, comes out of heaven. Right? The water pours down and you have it. It's there. It's gotta go wherever it goes into the oceans, whatever.
It's not like a big problem. Now in some states they have a problem, you know. You have some desert areas and all, and for that it's okay. But they have sinks where no water comes out. You turn it on, no water comes out.
No water comes out of the shower. No water is allowed to go into the washing machine for your dishes or for your clothing or what. And I voided all of that.
Speaker 0: Wait. They have sinks where no water comes out?
Speaker 1: Sure. Have restrictors. When I say no water, very little water. You wanna wash your hands. Right?
Yeah. And you you've seen this. And you turn on the sink and it's very little. Or you wanna wash your beautiful hair. Right?
And you're standing under a shower. Then the suds never go the water comes out very slowly. I'm sure you've seen this. It usually takes place in new hotels and new homes.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You take a drill and take the They have a
Speaker 1: you can, but now they make it so you can't do that so easily. They have a restrictor. It's called a restrictor and it restricts the water from coming out. So I ended all of that and you have to see these they they let the water come out. You know what people do?
They wash their hands like five times longer or in the washing machine they'll press for their, let's say the dishwasher, they'll press it, then they'll press it about seven or eight times.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They'll end up using more water and it still won't be very good. I met with the head of Whirlpool, they were practically going out of business during my administration and they said to from Ohio, credible, great state. I love Ohio. And they were really doing badly because people were dumping washing machines all over, mostly from South Korea, but also from China. And he was explaining it's just a terrible situation.
I said, let me ask you, how's the quality? He says, we're better, but they are good enough quality. But, you know, of course, he's gonna say that. But, you know, they are better. He said, but they don't they don't allow us.
They're dumping these machines. They're cutting us in half. They're killing us. And on top of it, the government won't us won't let us use water in our machines. I mean, he shows me, like, a quarter of a bottle of water.
That's supposed to be washing clothing. And I freed it all up, and I put tariffs on these countries that were selling and the machines coming into the country. And that company went from a big the big all the washing machine companies, they make washing machines, they make dryers, they make all of the different machines that do this kind of work, including dishwashers. And they went from a disaster area to being just thriving.
Speaker 0: But can I ask
Speaker 1: They love me in that part of Ohio?
Speaker 0: Well, I bet they do. But why should EPA no one at EPA was elected by anybody. Yeah. Why do they have the power to decide how much water your washing machine uses? Shouldn't Congress and a democracy get to vote on that?
Speaker 1: Yeah. You could say that. They do things that are not very
Speaker 0: So how do you con that's my question. How do you if you get elected again, go back to Washington, how do you keep the agencies under control? How do you keep FBI and CIA specifically under control?
Speaker 1: The way you do it, like I fired Comey, that was a big deal. You know, a lot of people said and I fired him very early. Somebody said, oh, I wish you would have fired him. There's a real question about firing him anyway. You understand because, know, when they have a ten year term, there is a question.
I fired Comey. That was a great thing. If I didn't fire Comey, maybe I wouldn't be talking to you or I'd be talking to you about real estate or something else other than politics. Right? That was a coup in my opinion.
That was a very sick deal. That was the insurance policy. You remember the insurance policy? Oh, she's going to win, darling. She's going to win.
But just in case she doesn't, we have an insurance policy. And insurance policy was what they were doing. And we caught them with that. That was a very important tweet or whatever it was, text. It was a big deal.
That was a big deal. The insurance policy. She's going to win 100,000,000 to one. That's not good odds. At least they gave me one.
Right? 100,000,000 to one. But just in case she doesn't win, we have an insurance policy. And everybody said, that's strange. That's strange.
But we caught all that because I fired Because when I fired Comey, it was like throwing a rock into a hornet's nest, into a nest of bees, and the place went crazy.
Speaker 0: So did when you were president, do you are you confident that you knew everything, say, CIA was doing around?
Speaker 1: No. I'm not. I'm not. It's it's a very interesting group of people. I had very good relationships, I thought.
But I was a little surprised when I got out that, you know, things go on. Look, it's
Speaker 0: What were you surprised by?
Speaker 1: I I was surprised I think at some of the people. I was surprised that there was I had a group of people. We killed many using the CIA, have to say this. Bad, very bad actors. We were very good at it.
You look at Soleimani, you look at al Baghdadi, bigger than Osama bin Laden. Mean Osama bin Laden is, but al Baghdadi did ISIS and he was rebuilding ISIS very strongly. And that was the CIA that did that? That was really us that did that. Yeah.
That was really us that did that. And Soleimani was us that did that, not so much CIA. But we did some very good work with the CIA. But I started you know, when I looked at the 51 intelligence agents saying that that was the laptop from hell was Russia disinformation. When I took a look at that, I said that's a horrible thing.
They knew it wasn't. They knew it was not. And by the way, you're talking about cheating on the election? McLaughlin and Fabrizio, great pollsters, They said a thing like that plus other things meant anywhere from 10 to 17% of the vote would change.
Speaker 0: Whatever happened to Mike Pence? You've always been nice to Pence. I've never heard you criticize Pence. You've defended him in public many, many times. He's out there attacking you.
What is that?
Speaker 1: So Mike wants to run for president. You gotta understand. In my opinion, Mike Pence had the absolute right to send the votes back to the legislatures. The Democrats and everybody said, you don't have the right. In other words, what I said, is he a human conveyor belt?
You mean if he finds fraud in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, in any of these states, Arizona, he has to send them to Mitch McConnell. Right? That's right, sir. Well, if he finds fraud, he has to? Yes, sir.
I said, so he's just so he's a conveyor belt. Boom. Put him in. I said, I don't agree with that. And we had some lawyers, not all.
We had some lawyers that said, no. You do have the right to send them back to the legislatures to be rechecked. Because if you looked at what went on in Wisconsin, who by the way now agree with me, Wisconsin has been virtually, other than the fact they're not allowed to do anything statutorily, But Wisconsin has been I mean, what they found is incredible. I mean, we won Wisconsin. But Mike Pence had the right, in my opinion, to send them back.
Speaker 0: Do you ever talk to him now?
Speaker 1: No. I haven't spoken to him in a long time. I was very disappointed in him. I didn't wanna do what Thomas Jefferson did. Thomas Jefferson, it was Georgia, and it was here ye hee, the great state of Georgia is not capable or allowed to tabulate their votes.
And Thomas Jefferson who was the vice president said, is Georgia sure that they cannot tabulate their votes? Georgia is sure. He didn't send it back and have them redo it. He said, we will keep the votes of the great state of Georgia for Thomas Jefferson and his president. I didn't ask him for that.
Could have done that too, but I didn't I thought that would be turmoil. I asked him to send him back to his legislature, to the legislatures, you know, in Wisconsin, let's say.
Speaker 0: But but why didn't he? I mean, you you'd worked together for four years. You're the president. He's VP. You're you say you're aligned on everything.
Speaker 1: I think he got very bad advice. I I really do. Now, let me tell you what happened. I sat there with a few people. I think his lawyer was in the room too.
His lawyer was very much against it. There were other lawyers that felt you could do it. It was it was one of those things that you probably I think you could have done it. I think you can always do something if you see fraud or if you see problems. But it's very interesting.
So after the election was over, the rhinos got together with the democrats and they redid the election so you couldn't do it anymore. So then I called the people. I said, so in other words, you're saying I was right. You could do it. Yes.
You could do it. In other words, they took the voting act and they redid it so the vice president no longer has the power to do what I said he could do. So when that happened, I said, wow. So and, you know, you'd look some of these democrats in the eye and they say, he has absolutely no right to do it. And immediately after the election, they met rhinos, you could name them all, and democrats.
And they approved legislation that takes away the right of the vice president to do it. So I said, ah, so you're saying I was right. The vice president did have the right to do it and they said, yes, he did.
Speaker 0: So if you're saying they stole it from you last time, why wouldn't they do the same this time?
Speaker 1: Oh, well, they'll try. They're gonna be trying. Yeah. And not not only me, you know. Look, DeSantis is out.
I think he's gone. He was he was at a level. He's people have figured him out. He's gone. But if somebody else got in other than me, they'll go at him just as viciously as they did me.
These people are sick. They will go after them. And a lot of people say they won't be able to hold up. I do get credit for holding up quite well, I must tell you. I think it's
Speaker 0: How do you do that? How do you get indicted, you know, every week and stay cheerful?
Speaker 1: It's I think it it's a lot easier because I'm I'm so high in the polls because it means the people get it. The people see it's a fraud. The people see it like this horrible district attorney from just a little while ago from essentially Atlanta, that's Fulton County. She said, basically, I don't have any right to challenge an election. Well, what about Abrams?
What about Hillary Clinton? What about all of these Democrats that are still challenging my election? The same people that are saying, he's challenging an election challenged my election. And they did it with slates. They did it with all sorts of things.
They were very bad very bad about it. But basically, they're suing me and they're saying, you don't have any right to challenge. And if you challenge an election, we're going to indict you and put you in jail. So what they're doing is they're really they've weaponized and and don't kid yourself, the DOJ and Biden and the whole group, they're watching all of this stuff. They love the local stuff.
You know, the DA in Manhattan? Not only that, they put a one of the DOJ top people into the Manhattan DA's office to run things. They don't even have a case against me. It's not even a case. Everyone says, even the democrats say, you can't bring these cases.
You have no case. The attorney general or the district attorney, Fanny, Fanny Willis, in Atlanta, she's getting killed. Basically, she's saying Trump doesn't have the right to to criticize an election. But you've been around long enough now. You've seen many elections criticized.
I mean, Hillary Clinton goes crazy. Every time she talks, she says, he's not the president, Jimmy Carter said. He's not the president. Well, I am the president. Hillary Clinton called me, by the way, 03:02 in the morning to congratulate me the night of the election.
Did her voice crack? Well, her voice was it's very different. Will say won't get into that. But What do you mean? Her voice was very different.
Don't forget, they were all celebrating at 05:00 in the afternoon. And I came home and I said, you know, I think we won. I felt we won because the rallies are so big. You know, we'd have we'd go to Wisconsin and we'd go to Georgia. We'd go to different states.
In Michigan, we'd have rallies. In Pennsylvania, had 58,000 people in Butler. And I said, you know, how are we losing this? How do you have a rally where you have from 50 to a 100,000 people, many of them? You know, I did seven a day for a couple of days.
That's a lot. That's a lot. These are big rallies too. And I didn't hold back. I didn't say let's make them little, let's do abbreviations.
Right? But but they challenged this stuff. Hillary called called me up and conceded. Now the word is that Obama said you have to do that. But she called up and totally conceded.
But now, you know, every time you see her on television, she's saying like, well, she's challenging the election.
Speaker 0: Do do you think So that
Speaker 1: would mean that she should be indicted, but that would mean also that Stacey Abrams in Georgia should be indicted because she still thinks she won the election for governor. She still thinks that. She's never recanted.
Speaker 0: And I Do you think Stacey Abrams will be indicted for that?
Speaker 1: No. Of course not. She won't be the Democrats don't get indicted for things like that. They don't get impeached. No.
It's it's a different thing. Is With that being said
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: I had great support when they did impeachment hoax number one and impeachment hoax number two. Jim Jordan, the house was fantastic. And actually, the senate was very good for me other than, you know, Mitch McConnell. Think if he had it's too bad I endorsed him. He was begging.
He was gonna lose that race and I endorsed him and he ended up winning the race because of my he was down. He was gonna lose to Amy McGrath. She $90,000,000 in cash, all set to go. She was leading by three. He was going down.
I did him a favor and then three, four months later, he really wanted to impeach me. He's a bad guy. But but if you look at what's going on politically, so interesting, the level of loyalty is different in politics than it is in normal life, I will say. With that being said, I've had great loyalty also. But the house was fantastic.
The senate was very good. You know, they overrode Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell, in my opinion, was trying to get senators to impeach me, especially for the second one. And on the first one, he acted very, very slow. He should've gone much faster.
But Mitch McConnell wanted to, and the senators went up to him, guys that are subservient to him because he gives money. You know, he gives him money. He gives him a lot of money. He raises some money and he gives it to him, and therefore they do what he said. That's the only form of leadership he's got.
Speaker 0: So last question. If you're elected president again, what's your top your number one priority? When you ran last time, you said I will build a wall. This time, your bottom line top promise to
Speaker 1: the country. Numerous things at the same time.
Speaker 0: Of course.
Speaker 1: But let's say number one is a border and taking hundreds of thousands of criminals that have been allowed into our country and getting them out and bringing them back to their country, Guatemala. By the way, not only the four countries that we think of as neighbors, all over the world. Last month, we had a 149 countries represented. Think of it. We had a 149 countries represented Tucker from places that many people never even heard of coming into our country.
And they're coming in from mental institutions and they're coming in from prisons. They're emptying out their prisons all over South America. They're emptying out their mental institutions. Terrorists are pouring into our country. We have no idea.
I had the strongest border in the history of our country and I built almost 500 miles of wall. You know, like to say, oh, was it less? No. I built 500 miles. In fact, if you check with the authorities on the border, we built almost 500 miles of wall and I had another 200 that I was going to build.
You know, it's like water. It seeks. And we're gonna build another 200. We built it. It was all set to go.
All they had to do was install it. It would have taken three weeks, and that's when I found out. I said, I think these people actually want open borders. The first thing I would do would be I would seal up the border good and tight, except for people that wanna come in legally.
Speaker 0: Do you think we're moving towards civil war?
Speaker 1: There's tremendous passion and there's tremendous love. You know, January 6 was a very interesting day because they don't report it properly. I believe it was the largest crowd I've ever spoken before, and you know some of the crowds I've spoken before. And, like July 4 on the mall, I think they had a million people there. But I think that the biggest crowd I've ever spoken before was on January 6 and people that were in that crowd, a very very small group of people and we said, patriotically and peacefully, peacefully and patriotically.
Right? Nobody ever says that. Go peacefully and patriotically. But people that were in that crowd that day, very small group of people went down there and then you there are a lot of a lot of scenarios that we can talk about. But people in that crowd said it was the most beautiful day they've ever experienced.
There was love in that crowd. There was love and unity. I have never seen such spirit and such passion and such love. And I've also never seen simultaneously and from the same people such hatred of what they've done to our country.
Speaker 0: So do you think it's possible that there's open conflict? We seem to don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know because I don't know what it, you know, I I can say this. There's a level of passion that I've never seen. There's a level of hatred that I've never seen and that's probably a bad combination.
Speaker 0: Donald Trump, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Very much. Thank you.
Speaker 0: That is a bad combination, by the way.
Speaker 1: Bad combination. Thank you.
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A BLM leader endorses Donald Trump as the best candidate, stating that everyone else is terrible. They express personal liking for Trump and disappointment in the current president. They believe many black people are starting to move away from the Democratic Party, which they view as racist and not valuing their vote. They see Trump as the opposite, someone who speaks honestly and doesn't betray like the Democrats.
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Speaker 0: You, a BLM leader, and you're now endorsing Donald Trump, saying he's the best candidate we have. Why do you think he is the best candidate that we have?
Speaker 1: Because everybody else sucks.
Speaker 0: So is he just the best of a bad group? I mean, is he still, Is he not that great either, but he's just, like, better than the rest?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I like Trump, You know, personally. And I think right now, who we have sitting in the oval office is just a Deep disappointment. You know? I deeply have disdain for him, and and and I I really Just like the vice president as well.
Speaker 0: What what is it that why how why do you not like them versus, like, Donald Trump? I would imagine you're you're alone in this. Do you feel alone in this viewpoint in the world that you're in being in the BLM movement?
Speaker 1: No. I feel like the tide is starting to turn. I feel like a lot of black people are starting to pivot off of that democratic plantation for so long. We've been slaves to that Party. You know?
Actually, we've been mental slaves afraid to get off of that plantation because, You know, we've been used and abused for so long at that party. They don't value our vote. Their policies are basically, Racist policies, and I believe it's a racist party that strikes at the heart of the the black family and the nuclear family In general. And I believe Donald Trump is he's the opposite. He's he's gonna tell you how how it is.
He's gonna give it to you straight. He's not gonna, You know, you're a hypocrite and and, you know, stab you in the back like the Democratic Party loves to do.
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My issue with my colleagues on this debate stage is that they have all supported Donald Trump for personal gain. Ron DeSantis, Nicky, and Chris Christie have all sought his endorsement or money. However, I believe the real enemy is the deep state, which Donald Trump tried to challenge. I am the only one on this stage who can speak the truth about January 6th being an inside job, the government lying about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9/11, the Democratic party's support for the great replacement theory, Big Tech stealing the 2020 election, and the national security establishment stealing the 2016 election from Trump. We need someone who will speak truth to power, not those who only criticize when it's convenient.
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Speaker 0: And I'll I'll turn to my issue with all 3 of my other colleagues on this debate stage is all 3 of them have been licking Donald Trump's boots for years for money and endorsements. Ron DeSantis, you've been a great governor, but you would have never been one without actually begging Donald Trump for that endorsement. And you But same thing with Nicky, same thing with Chris Christie as a lobbyist begging them for COVID money for his special interest in New Jersey, prepping him for the debates last time around. These people are now Monday morning quarterbacking some decision he made. I think the real enemy is not Donald Trump.
It's not even Joe Biden. It is the deep state that at least Donald Trump attempted to take on. And if you want somebody who's going to speak truth to power, then vote for somebody who's going to speak the truth to you. Why am I the only person on the stage, at least, who can say that January 6th now does look like it was an inside job? That the government lied to us for 20 years about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 911, that the great replacement theory is not some grand right wing conspiracy theory, but a basic statement of the Democratic party's platform, that the 2020 election was indeed stolen by Big Tech, that the 2016 election, the one that Trump won for sure, was also one that was stolen from him by the national security establishment Okay.
That actually put out the Trump Russia collusion hopes that they knew was false. There's a reason why I'm the only person on this stage who can say these things. That's what it's gonna take, not people who are licking his boots one time, and now Monday morning quarterback game and criticizing when it's convenient.
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FULL Vivek Ramaswamy Town Hall in CNN @VivekGRamaswamy #Vivek https://t.co/bK0f4oy3pP
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Ohio businessman Vivek Ramaswami participated in a CNN town hall in Iowa, where he faced questions from voters on various issues. He differentiated himself from former President Donald Trump by emphasizing his commitment to reaching a new generation of voters and his ability to combine business acumen with a deep understanding of the law and the constitution. Ramaswami also discussed his plans for securing the border, ending birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants, and addressing income inequality. He expressed his belief in the importance of diversity of thought and meritocracy rather than quotas based on race or gender. Overall, Ramaswami presented himself as a candidate who values hard work, honesty, and the principles on which the country was founded.
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Speaker 0: Good evening, and welcome to Iowa, home of the first contest of the 2024 presidential race, now just 33 days away. We are live here at Grand View University in Des Moines, Iowa for CNN's town hall with Ohio businessman Vivek Ramaswami. I'm Abby Phillip. Mister Ramaswami Has made a name for himself in this field with his bold and sometimes controversial positions. Now he is prepared to face his 1st test before voters Right here in Iowa where he is competing with his rivals including the current front runner, former president Donald Trump.
Now tonight's event is about the voters. Mister Ramaswami will have the opportunity to answer questions directly from Iowans on the issues that will help determine Who wins the Republican nomination? And I will, of course, have some questions of my own. In the audience here are voters who say that they plan to participate in the Iowa Republican caucuses, both registered Republicans and also voters who plan to register as Republicans. To find tonight's questioners, we reached out to Republican affiliated groups as well as business groups, farm associations, parent groups, young professional organizations, religious groups, and conservative advocacy organizations.
Guests of the Ramaswami campaign and of Grand View University are here in the audience tonight, but they won't be asking We have asked everyone here to be respectful to each other and to mister Ramaswami so that the voters in this room and at home have a chance to hear from the candidate. Now please welcome, Vivek Ramaswami. I wanna get right to the audience and bring in Simona Yientes from Clive, Iowa. She is self employed and serves on the board of a Christian school in Des Moines. She's a Republican, but she says that she is still undecided.
Simona?
Speaker 1: Thank you. First of all, welcome to Iowa, and Merry Christmas from Iowa. And thank you for really adding some important conversations to the to the campaign. So some local commentators refer to you as maybe the younger Trump, not a politician, which would place you running in the same lane as President Trump for getting votes. So other than being younger, how would you different your differentiate yourself from president Trump?
Speaker 2: So look. I I appreciate that question, and I get it frequently these days on the campaign trail. It's not just being younger. I think we are reaching a new generation of voters in this country. We've been to most of the college campuses across this state, and I don't think that's something the Republican Party has done a great job of.
There's a reason why these revolutions, these revivals are often led by the next generation. Thomas Jefferson was 33 years old when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. I'm an old man by comparison, actually, to Thomas Jefferson. And I will say this. It's gonna take a president who, yes, comes from the outside, is a businessman.
I believe it's gonna take an outsider with sharp elbows at times To come take on the federal bureaucracy, to shut down agencies that need to be shut down, to implement that 75% headcount reduction I want to see in the federal bureaucracy. But it's also gonna take a president who has a deep first personal understanding of the law and the constitution. And those 2 things don't usually go together. I've actually hired many people in my career over the many companies that I've started. And Those 2 skills, you might have the academic law professor types over here, you might have the business types that are gonna get something done.
That's what gives me my sense of purpose in this race, And I think I'm the only person in this race who brings both of those attributes, an understanding and a commitment to the constitution, but combine that with being an outsider who can actually get things done. And I think that's gonna be take the combination that actually takes to revive this economy and revive our constitutional republic.
Speaker 0: And if I may, mister Ramaswami, Simona's question was about How you would be different from
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
Speaker 0: So how specifically would you differentiate yourself from Trump?
Speaker 2: Look. I think some are some policy areas. I mean, take The Iowa carbon capture pipeline. The use of eminent domain right here. It doesn't affect many in the national audience, but it affects people in this room.
I'm seeing many heads nodding. You're familiar with this issue. They're using eminent domain to seize farmland, to build a carbon capture pipeline using federal subsidies. I'm the only candidate in this field Who has taken a clear stand in being against those kinds of policies, the unconstitutional use of eminent domain. So we can go into other specific examples, but it comes down to a commitment To the constitution.
A deep understanding of the constitution, swearing an oath to the constitution and keeping it, and combining that with being an outsider. And, yes, reaching and inspiring the next generation of Americans. I think I'm the best person in this race to do those things, and that's why I'm in it.
Speaker 0: Let's bring in now Jacqueline Ricconosh. She's a health care IT manager from West Des Moines. She's a republican who says that she's undecided. Jacqueline?
Speaker 3: Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. I'm a switch it up. With the number of illegals, illegal aliens crossing the border daily And being best to cities across the United States, how do you plan to secure our border and remove illegals from the US?
Speaker 2: And that 2nd part is the harder part. I'm glad you asked it. Let me start with the 1st part of how we'll just secure the border. These are basic things we can do. The country that put a man on the moon can get this done.
It's just a question of political will. So one thing I've said is we will use our own military To secure our own border. Right now, we can use it to secure somebody else's border. Let's use it to secure our own southern border And our northern border too. Don't forget about that.
Our northern border has seen more illegal crossings this past year than the last 12 years combined. That's where this front is going, and I visited both in the last several months. If we're able to do that, use our military, complete the border wall, Stop federal aid to any Central American country until they have secured their own borders for every country between Venezuela and Mexico. Then I want to implement, I would say, the best border policies of all, which is ending the illegal incentives to be here, End birthright citizenship for the kids of illegal migrants to whom the 14th amendment does not apply. End federal funding to sanctuary cities using Our own taxpayer money to pay effectively for breaking the rule of law.
And then there's the hard question. I don't wanna leave you hanging on that one Because many people skip this one, but this one's the hard one. I do believe that anybody who's in this country illegally Needs to be returned to their country of origin, not because they're all bad people. In fact, many of them are good people. Many of them, if we're being honest, If we were in their shoes and there's a president of the United States who's been giving them a wink and a nod to come on over, if we were in a tough spot, maybe we would have done the same thing.
So This is not a value judgment about those people. It's a value judgment about this country. We're founded on the rule of law, and as a father of sons in the White House. I can't look them in the eye and tell them they have to follow the rules when our own government isn't following its own rules. Then there's the question of how, and this is the part many Republicans skip.
There's only 6,000 or so ICE agents on the front line. How could they possibly tackle Millions of illegal migrants who were in this country illegally. Here's the answer. There's a provision in the law. We don't need new laws.
The existing law, it's called 287 g. It allows you to actually serve an ICE agent to allow local law enforcement across this country to serve their warrants. That's a 1000000 law enforcement officers. We can then get that done. But, again, all it takes is a president with a spine.
And if I swear an oath to the constitution, I intend to keep it. That's how I'm gonna lead this country, and I think that's how we're gonna solve not only the border crisis, but the crisis of the abandonment of the rule of law in this country. That's how I expect a lead.
Speaker 0: You just said that you would end birthright citizenship
Speaker 2: For the kids of illegal
Speaker 0: kids of illegal migrants.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 0: Immigrants. There are currently millions of such People, children, some of them some of them adults. Would you retroactively strip them Great
Speaker 2: question, Abby. So I'm glad you asked that prospectively. So January 20, 2025 forward, there is a concept in the law known as a reliance interest. If you've relied on the government, we're not gonna be able to retroactively date that. But from January 20, 2025 going forward, if I'm the president, if you're born in this country as the kid of an illegal immigrant, You will not enjoy birthright citizenship, and that's what the 14th Amendment says.
It says it only applies subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's in the Opening section of the 14th amendment, when it talks about birthright citizenship. So in the same way, and I want people to understand this because some people call this a controversial view. I don't think it needs to be. The kid of a Mexican diplomat who's here legally and he's born in the United States, that person doesn't enjoy birthright citizenship.
Nobody contests that. Well, if the kid of a Mexican diplomat who's here legally does not enjoy birthright citizenship, Neither does or should the kid of a Mexican or Venezuelan migrant who's here illegally. And there's been case law on this at the appellate court level. The one case that's ruled agrees with me on this. I believe the current Supreme Court agrees with me 6 to 3 on this.
All we need is a president with a spine who, I go back to that first question, Abby, understands the constitution. If I'm gonna swear notes to the constitution, I better darn well have read it. You suggested That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 0: You suggested, though, the courts would have to weigh in on this. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2: I expect that this will go to the Supreme Court, and I expect the current Supreme Court will agree 6 to 3 with me on this based on my study of the court.
Speaker 0: Alright. Let's turn now to Mike McCoy. He's an insurance company CEO from West Des Moines and a trustee here at Grand View. He's a republican who says that he's deciding between you and Florida governor Ron DeSantis. Mike?
Speaker 4: Thank you. So what makes you think that Putin would be responsive to your Ukraine solution?
Speaker 0: And before you jump in, mister Ramaswami, I just want to, ask you to remind the audience here what the solution is that he is referring to.
Speaker 2: That's fair enough. So I've proposed and thank you for coming prepared. I appreciate that. I proposed a reasonable end to the Ukraine war. I don't think this war is advancing our interests.
I think we're spending $200,000,000,000 of our taxpayer money that would be better used to defend our own border. But even worse, I believe it's increasing the risk of World War three Because it's driving Russia further into China's hands. So what I've proposed is a reasonable deal that would allow Ukraine to come out with its sovereignty intact. Yes. With some territorial concessions of the Russian speaking regions in eastern Ukraine and a hard commitment that NATO will not admit Ukraine to NATO, But only if Putin exits his military alliance with China.
That Russia China alliance is the top threat that we face today. So do I trust Vladimir Putin? Of course not. Is Putin a great craven dictator? Absolutely, he is.
But we will trust him to follow his self interest Just as he will trust us to follow ours. Because you asked a good question, I'm gonna go into this detail. Nixon did this in 1972. When he pulled Mao Zedong out of the USSR, that was a China Russia alliance back then. Did we trust Mao?
Of course, we didn't. But there were kinks in that armor back then. There are kinks in that armor today in the Russia China relationship. Look, when Putin and and Xi Jinping met, Putin sends then weapons to India and Vietnam. That's sending a signal to China.
China doesn't appreciate that. China wants to complete a railroad in northeast China to the ocean. Russia's not letting them. So if we look closely, there are kinks in that armor, but it's going to take a visionary leader who's gonna say, we're gonna use the Ukraine war as an opportunity To say to Russia, you know what? We'll reopen some economic relations with Russia as Nixon did with Mao.
But we're gonna require no more joint military exercises, No more military sales between Russia and China. Weaken that alliance. That's the single most important thing the next president can do To reduce the risk of World War 3. And I want you to understand, I'm the only presidential candidate really talking about that Russia China alliance. Yet that is the single greatest threat we face to the United States of America today, and I do think it's going to take a leader coming from the outside of the existing foreign policy I'll remind you, the one that got us into the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where thousands of our sons and daughters went to go die, Adding 7 trillion to our national debt 20 years later with the Taliban still in charge in Afghanistan and Iraq still a broken country.
If that isn't a sign that we need fresh blood in our foreign policy establishment, I don't know what is. And so I think it's gonna take new leadership, and that's the deal that I would do.
Speaker 0: Thank you. This Ukraine topic. I wanna follow-up. You wanna suspend support for Ukraine in this war and get the United States out of that conflict.
Speaker 2: As part of this deal that I've laid out.
Speaker 0: If Putin doesn't take you up on that deal, would you allow Putin to use force to take all of Ukraine if he wanted to?
Speaker 2: So we're gonna do I think the deal we're gonna do now is actually gonna allow Ukraine to come out with its sovereignty intact, which is not even the path that Ukraine is on.
Speaker 0: Does not take you up
Speaker 2: on your deal, which So look. I'm not. Look. I'm convinced on my ability to negotiate.
Speaker 0: Decided to use force to march into Kyiv, take all of Ukraine, Would you, as president of the United States, allow that to happen?
Speaker 2: Abby, that I think is a fictitious scenario for a lot of reasons. Part of the reason Putin's been able to seize Eastern Ukraine is they have not had the same level of resistance as the rest of you.
Speaker 0: How is it a fictitious scenario when
Speaker 2: Because nobody has tried to do it and has failed to do it. Well And and so what I would say tried
Speaker 0: to do it, I think, is the point I'm trying to make.
Speaker 2: And he failed to do it because I think that this it's a fair question.
Speaker 0: Because the United States backed Ukraine.
Speaker 2: No. He failed to do it for a deeper reason. And now this This gets into some details in the Ukraine war, but if you wanna go there, I think we should go there, which is that the eastern regions of Ukraine, these are Russian speaking regions Where most of the people who live there don't even view themselves really as part of Ukraine. They have not been represented in the Ukrainian parliament For the better part of the last decade, almost the entire last decade, so there was no counterinsurgency or resistance. That's why Putin was successful in east Eastern Ukraine, but not the rest.
So again, I come back to principles There are a lot of scenarios we we can't map out in advance, but the basic principles are this. Russia's in a military alliance with China. I'm gonna play hardball and require that Russia weaken or exit its military alliance with China. But we also have to stand by a few things that Commitments we've made that NATO should not actually admit Ukraine to NATO. We made that commitment.
Gorbachev made it was made to Gorbachev by James Baker In 1990, we haven't kept that commitment. We should keep that commitment too. And I think that that level of diplomacy avoids us using I let's look at the alternative now, Abby. We're looking talking about sending another $61,000,000,000 to Ukraine. It is unclear to me or anybody else what the next 100,000,000,000 is gonna do That the first 100,000,000,000 didn't accomplish.
And so I don't think throwing bad money after bad is gonna be the solution here. I do think diplomacy is the solution, But it's gonna take somebody who is committed to advancing US interests to get this done.
Speaker 0: So my
Speaker 2: foreign policy is avoid World War 3, declare independence from China, And then focus on securing our own homeland, which we're not talking about.
Speaker 0: I wanna get back now to our audience member. We have a question now from Nicole Ryback. She's from Des Moines And as a college admissions counselor, she says that she's currently registered as a Democrat, but now intends to switch parties and is planning to participate in the Republican caucuses and register as a Republican. She's undecided on which candidate to support. Nicole?
Speaker 5: Thank you and welcome. I'm gonna throw it back to the United States and talk a little bit about How you feel about the growing differential between the top 1% and the middle class in the US, and how you plan on addressing it in your presidency?
Speaker 2: Great question. And to tell you the truth, I don't feel great about it. A lot of this is the product of the Federal Reserve, actually. Seems like a technical subject a lot of people don't like to talk about. I think this is fundamental.
So the Federal Reserve has, since the late nineties, taken on the role of playing effectively god For the financial system, for a lot of that period, raining money from on high like mana from heaven. We've been skiing on artificial snow, and It's really flowed down through the top 1%. A friend of mine actually has a funny expression, but I'll share it with you. He says, you know, if you're a nurse, you'll go home with some extra latex gloves. You're a teacher, you might go home with some extra pencils.
If you're a banker, you go home with a few extra dollars. And that's the way it's worked through the Federal Reserve System. Trickle down economics, I believe, does work when it's driven by gains in the real economy, but it doesn't work when it's created by artificial paper wealth generated by Fed Reserve policies. So I put the Fed back in its place. The reason real wage growth has not gone up for the bottom 99% adjusted for inflation.
It's been flat. The reason why is the Federal Reserve has treated wage growth as though it's a leading indicator of inflation and try to tamp it down like a game of whack a mole for the last 25 years, so you get what you pay for. My view is I'll put the Fed back in its place. A single mandate for the US Fed. What is that?
Dollar stability. Peg the dollar to commodities. That ties the hands of our government. That's a good thing. We had our greatest GDP growth in this country Before we left the gold standard.
I think that's telling. So when the dollar is stable, that's how you actually help the bottom 99% in this country. That's how you see a real real wage growth. And I want people to understand, we you hear a lot of tales and mythology, I would say, about the current economy. Let's make it simple.
What's going on? Prices are going up. Interest rates including mortgage rates to buy your home are going up, but wages have remained flat. And so I'm not gonna be the person who comes in here and tells you. Some people say am I too pessimistic at times?
I'm a realist. I'm not gonna tell you the American dream is alive and well right now. It is not. It's alive and hanging on for life support, But I believe it can be. And I do think it's gonna take now more than ever a CEO in the White House.
Somebody with fresh legs. Somebody, I believe, from the next generation to look at this differently, apply some basic economic common sense, and that starts with reform of the Federal Reserve. So thank Thank you for that question. Welcome to the Republican side.
Speaker 0: Let me ask you, mister Ramaswamy. 2 years ago, you floated the idea to dramatically increase The inheritance tax up to 59%. You said then, we shouldn't allow people to become billionaires just by having rich parents. Would you push for that as president?
Speaker 2: That's not part of my policy platform as president. One of the things people should know about me is that I'm not a standard candidate. I've written 3 books in the last 2 years. They're not candidate books. I said that I brought up Thomas Jefferson earlier.
I admire him because he was one of the few truly intellectual presidents we've had. And so I like to explore ideas. One of the things that an 11th grade English teacher, missus Smith, taught me is that you don't really understand what you think unless you can offer the best Statement of an alternative view. And so that's what I did in my books. I wrote my book first book was Woke Inc, and I often joke.
I agree with about 95% of what's in there. And so my view is this. What we really need is a 12% flat tax across the board. Ordinary income, capital gain, corporate, flatten it all out, And then here's how we get the money back for the system, end the crony est deductions. The deductions and the loopholes and the and the rebates That a lot of corporations, a lot of special interests have lobbied in.
It's about $700,000,000,000 a year. Just the tax compliance costs. Just the out of pocket costs. Not even counting the time you spend Preparing your taxes. Give that back to the people.
That's how we actually restore, again, a big part of our economy, grow our economy. That's the way I would do it.
Speaker 0: You are it's It's probably no surprise to folks here. You're very wealthy. You've made a lot of money in your life.
Speaker 2: So do
Speaker 0: you do you want your wealth do you believe it should pass down to your children?
Speaker 2: So that's a it's an important question, actually, and I want to speak on behalf of both my wife and I. My wife, Apoorva, she wanted to be here today. She's not here because she was treating cancer survivors at Ohio State's Hospital. That's where she's kept her full time job while we're going through this. And, know, in many cases, our health care system or I should call it our sick care system is so broken that she doesn't even get paid for many of the procedures she does to improve Patients' lives.
That works for us because we are in the position that we're in. But I'll tell you this, we're spending immense amounts of our family's fortune On this campaign, we didn't inherit our wealth. But that's the inheritance we actually care about giving our kids. It's not a bunch of green pieces of paper. It is the country that allowed us to live the American dream that each of us did.
My parents came to this country 40 years ago with no money. And, yes, in a single generation, I have gone on to found multiple multibillion dollar companies. Did it while marrying Apoorva who lived her American dream, raising our 2 sons, Following our faith in God. That is the American dream. That's the inheritance we care to give our kids.
And even if you're just speaking really honestly and some people hit me for this, but I stand by it actually. I've gone to college with when I went I went to Harvard, And my dad was working at GE. He faced down layoffs under Jack Welch's tenure. We had a solidly middle class upbringing with some ups and downs along the way. I went to school with kids who were the kids of billionaires.
That was new to me. I had never encountered that in my life until I got to Harvard College. And I'll tell you something, Abby. It's it's interesting. They weren't many of them weren't happier for it.
To the contrary, I was actually able to follow my hunger and my passion and my ambition, Maybe even more freely than many of my other fellow peers. I'm grateful to other peers who may not have had access to basic education, But there are also those who don't have basic access to having their own ability to live the American dream because they're encumbered by that inheritance as well. So I'm not one of these guys who fetishizes Lavishing children with a bunch of wealth. I want to give them the country that allows them to live the American dream through meritocracy That allowed a poor Vinay to succeed as well.
Speaker 0: I wanna go back to the audience. We have here Riley Miller. He's a law student at Drake University and a clerk In the Marion County attorney's office, he's a Republican who is currently undecided. Rylan?
Speaker 4: Thank you. On the debate stage, you have somewhat abandoned, the tact and diplomacy that I would Look for in a president. I'm all for, keeping it real and dogging the establishment, but there's gravitas and, that I look for in those who represent our country. How do you see the balance between keeping it Being authentic and maintaining that presidential demeanor.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the question. I think it's very candid. This is what I love about Iowa. I get tougher questions from you guys than I do from the media. That's and that's good.
That's why we're here. So I I appreciate that. Look. Here's the standard I use for holding myself to or holding any president to. I want us to be able to look our kids in the eye and tell them that I want you to grow up and be like him.
It's been a long time since we've held our presidents to that standard. That's the standard I want you to hold me to. That's a high standard. Now I think about that in judging the way that I comport myself in different areas. Am I gonna tell my kids to go to school and be a bully?
No. I'm not. But I'm gonna tell them if somebody bullies you or hits you, you're gonna hit them back 10 times harder. And that's the way I'm gonna lead this country. You can't you have to be, As we say in our family, you have to be strong enough to protect your kindness.
So if you watch those debates carefully, I don't engage in four letter words. Mean, there are other candidates who've called me dumb, scum, and worse that I'm not gonna repeat here. I didn't go after them, but if they're gonna come after me, I'm not gonna be a president, whether it's Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin or anybody else Who's gonna roll over? When I'm leaving the United States, the same rule applies. If you hit us, we hit you back 10 times harder.
But it's not for the sake of being a bully. It's for protecting our inner kindness too, and I think it's important that we have a president that has both of those attributes. I've done more podcasts probably than probably than most presidential candidates in history combined, mostly because podcasts are new. I'll admit that. But I will tell you, that's a different setting, and so I believe I think it's the book of Ecclesiastes that teaches, and my faith teaches me the same thing.
There's a time and place for everything. There's a time and place for fortitude. There's a time and place for justice. There's a time and place for mercy. And I think it's going to take all of those attributes, Every last ounce of each of those attributes to stand for this country, to reunite this country, and revive who we are.
You don't want a wilting flower in the White House, But you also want somebody who understands what we are fighting for. That's the standard I want you to hold us to. We will Aspire to hold ourselves too, and I think that sometimes being a parent is what gives me my moral clarity. And I hope through the rest of this campaign, we're just getting warmed up. I hope to be able to earn your trust that, yes, I do have what it takes to tell you the truth.
I'm not going to hide the truth from you. You want someone who's gonna speak truth to power, vote for somebody who's gonna speak the truth to you, to the Republican Party. Do it unvarnished without sugarcoating, and I don't do much sugarcoating. But also somebody who, as you, I believe, want, can stand for the ideals that would make our founding fathers proud and would make our children proud as well.
Speaker 0: Speaking speaking of those debates, let me ask you about something that you said at the debate last week. You used the phrase Inside job to describe what happened on January 6th. The next day, Capitol rioter, Alan Hostler, highlighted your comments at his sentencing. He is going to prison for 11 years. A a a hoster, threatened members of congress.
He brought Hatchet, knives, pepper spray, sun batons, tactical gear to the US Capitol. Are you concerned that a convicted felon like that is now promoting your Comments in court.
Speaker 2: So here's my concern, Abby. And I wanna tell you guys where I'm at. If you had told me It's close to 3 years ago that January 6, 2021 happened. If you had told me 3 years ago back when I was a biotech CEO, not steeped in this world. I was just consuming passive media, but was focused on my world of developing medicines.
If you had told me that January 6th was in any way an inside job, the subject of government entrapment, I would have told you that was crazy talk. Fringe conspiracy theory nonsense. I could tell you now having gone somewhat deep in this, It's not. I mean, the reality is this. We do have a government.
First of all, we have technology that has lied to us systematically over the last several years About the origin of COVID nineteen, about the Hunter Biden laptop that we were told was false by 51 CIA experts and otherwise before we now know that it was true. You can go straight down the list, the Trump Russia disinformation collusion hoax. All of it. Now we come to January 6th. The reality is we know that there were federal law enforcement agents in that field.
We don't know how many. I think it's a shame if if I may finish just answering.
Speaker 0: Well, let me just I I I'm gonna go ahead and interrupt here because
Speaker 2: Because I noticed that there were doesn't approve it as best as I know.
Speaker 6: There were federal agents. Be able to talk about this.
Speaker 0: You're saying that there were federal
Speaker 2: agents This is important to talk about.
Speaker 0: Miss Muskogee, there were federal agents in the crowd on on on January 6th. Yep. There is no evidence that there were federal agents in the crowd On January 6th.
Speaker 2: So why before congress when pressed on what the number was? They didn't say there were none. They just couldn't say there
Speaker 0: were none. Saying that there's no that you have not seen evident any evidence So we've seen multiple And
Speaker 2: so you've seen informants suggesting that they were we know people were we know people were FBI informants who were asking
Speaker 6: Is there any evidence may
Speaker 2: may just They just finished me, and I'll become that question.
Speaker 0: Well, let me clarify.
Speaker 2: I know it's very uncomfortable for you.
Speaker 0: I'm gonna clarify my question. Uncomfortable issue for many
Speaker 2: people, but we have to do the truth here.
Speaker 0: I'm gonna clarify my because I wanna make sure that you understand what I meant.
Speaker 2: I understand this deeply. And I told you, I was Where
Speaker 0: 3 years ago. I'm with her now. The evidence Yes. Where is the evidence that the government Had applied to this. An inside job
Speaker 2: But no. I'm not an inside job is.
Speaker 6: I'm not
Speaker 0: gonna I'm not violence on January 6th.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let you put words in my mouth. I'm gonna put my words in my mouth, And I'm gonna tell you what what I
Speaker 0: mean by that. Evidence that the government was involved Entrapment. Planning or executing January 6th. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you hard facts. And and if I may, Abby, I Why did they suppress footage of now what's been released? 200 hours of footage of shooting rubber bullets into that crowd. Shooting tear gas into that crowd. You didn't see that before.
You saw what the response was to that. Now you see footage coming out of actually rolling out the red carpet For Capitol Police, allow
Speaker 0: Mister Ramaswami again. Right through the front door. Vast majority I mean, how that cut out
Speaker 2: evidence shouldn't have been released before,
Speaker 0: Mister Ramformi, the dashboard footage shows
Speaker 2: In my deeper question, yes.
Speaker 0: Being overwhelmed. Violence
Speaker 2: really important. Rioters.
Speaker 0: That I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give you a hard I'm gonna give you
Speaker 0: some hard facts.
Speaker 2: So what here's what entrapment cherry pick. I'm not cherry picking. Let let me finish that.
Speaker 0: Let me finish that.
Speaker 2: I'm not
Speaker 0: cherry picking. Examples To
Speaker 2: to the contrary.
Speaker 0: The country Not a cherry pick example.
Speaker 2: You know
Speaker 0: cherry pick that is what happened. The government cherry
Speaker 2: pick 12 hours of footage when there was 200 hours of the cherry picking was the government, not me. Release the whole thing. And let me let me just finish one thing too, because this is super important as a topic. So when you I think there's a civil libertarian issue of our time. When we first kidnapping.
I wanna keep it going to be really clear on this because it's the same issue in the same FBI, same even part of the FBI. Three people who were in alleged plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer Were acquitted at the end of trial because it was entrapment. That is government agents put them up to do something they otherwise wouldn't have done. They give him credit cards With spending limits of up to $5,000, encourage them to buy munitions, plan something they weren't otherwise willing to plan. So much so, and I want people at home to know this, Especially CNN viewers to know this is that one of the jurors went to those defendants and apologized afterwards, gave him a hug, Apologize seeing what the government had put a poor guy up to who had to go to some Mexican restaurant across the street to get hot water.
These people were exploited with credit cards up to $5,000, FBI agents putting them up to a kidnapping plot that we were told was true but was entrapment. Same thing with the Capitol Police. People letting you free money. Many of those people then
Speaker 0: put charge. Tommy. Look.
Speaker 2: The government cannot put you up to do something and then charge you for
Speaker 0: your money. That's wrong. Don't wanna have to to the left of the fight I don't wanna have to interrupt you. I really don't. But I don't want you to mislead the audience here or at home.
Speaker 2: I think they've been misled by mainstream media.
Speaker 0: 14th people media has misled them. 14th people were charged in that plot. A majority of them were I said 3 of
Speaker 2: them were acquitted on grounds of entrapment. What you what That's a fact. What folks Was I wrong
Speaker 6: about that? Folks need
Speaker 2: to understand. Wrong about what I said? What folks need
Speaker 0: to understand 3 people were
Speaker 2: acquitted on grounds of entrapment.
Speaker 0: 9 were apologized. Were convicted.
Speaker 2: But the 3 who were put up shot never Back to the move to
Speaker 0: January 6th.
Speaker 2: That's unacceptable in the United States.
Speaker 0: Look, I I just want people to understand. 3 people were acquitted. 9 people were convicted in that plot. But let me get back to our audience here. Let's bring in Joe Freml.
He's from Des Moines. He's a student at Drake, and he's a Republican who says that he supports whoever wins the nomination. Joe.
Speaker 7: Man, thank you. I love seeing you get fired up. So
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Good to see you, man. I see you're a basketball player.
I've been playing tennis with some Drake tennis players. They got some good players.
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah. Some of my boys play there, so it's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The
Speaker 7: Biggest question about your legitimacy as a candidate has been your age. You know, I was a 22 year old college kid. I love the idea of having younger candidates in office, but how has this been a challenge for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's been a big challenge. I mean, frankly, most caucus goers are 3, 4 times your age. Let's be real about that. And I want people like you to come out to the caucus, and we're going to college campuses for that reason.
One of the things I want people to understand, what I see when I go to college campuses, I think actually many Republican candidates are scared of facing off with your generation, actually. Some of them hit me for being on TikTok because it reaches you all. I think we should be reaching out to young voters. What I see isn't a base of young voters who's against our shared values. I see a lot of peers in your generation and our generation that are lost, Hungry for direction.
Right? The left will prey on that vacuum with race, gender, sexuality, climate. I'm not gonna blame them. I'm gonna blame the Republican Party. We've gotten lazy just criticizing that vision without offering our own vision.
Individual. Family. Nation. God. Yes.
I said the cheat word. That beats race, gender, sexuality, and climate if we have the courage to actually stand for something. And so I believe that your generation, I believe that we're at a tipping point, and there's a reason. I you know, I've talked about Thomas Jefferson. He was 33 when he wrote the declaration.
He also invented the swivel chair while he was at it. Think about that founding spirit. We're the pioneers. We're the Floors in this country. The unafraid.
The people who nobody and no government dares to stop. That's who we are as Americans. Our pursuit of excellence, that's what makes us American. And I think it's going to take somebody in your generation. Somebody whose best days in life are still yet ahead.
To see a country whose best days are still ahead of itself, and I I hope that's the case for me. I don't take every day for granted. Every day we wake up is a new blessing, and I'll leave it at that. I don't take tomorrow for granted, but I hope my best days are still ahead of me. And I think as a leader, I reject this narrative that we have to be that nation in decline, that we have to be ancient Rome.
What's your name again, sir? Joe. Joe, I think our nation, like you, is actually A little young. Going through our own version of adolescence. Figuring out who we're gonna be when we grow up.
And when you view it that way, it all makes sense again to me. It does. You go through that identity crisis. You lose your way a little bit. I don't know about you, but I did some stupid things.
Right? But we're stronger for it when we get to our adulthood on the other side. So, no, I don't think we have to be that nation in decline and tell the people in your class the same thing. We can still be a nation in our ascent. If the people of the last 25 years got us to where we are, maybe we try something a little different.
Somebody with fresh legs. Somebody may be the age that our founding fathers were when they signed that declaration. And I think we live in a 17/76 moment. Let's give that a try and see what happens. Thank you.
Speaker 0: Alright. We've got much more ahead. We'll be right back with more from presidential candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy. Welcome back to Iowa at CNN Town call with Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswami. Let's turn to Jenny Mitchell.
She is an entomologist at Iowa State University From Boone, Iowa, she is a Republican who is currently undecided. Ginny?
Speaker 8: Thank you. Thanks for being here, and thanks for coming to Iowa so much. We appreciate your visits. So freedom of religion is a part of our constitution and, obviously, a huge part of our country. What do you say to those who say that you cannot be our president because your religion is not what our founding fathers based our country on?
Speaker 2: I would say that I respectfully disagree, and, you know, I want people to understand this about me. I would rather speak the truth and lose an election than to win by playing some political snakes and ladders. I mean, if I wanted to map out my political career and really solve for that, you know, I could Fake convert. You know, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna tell you about my faith.
I'm Hindu. Now I went to Christian schools. I went to St. Xavier in Cincinnati, And I actually have been on the board of SANEX, except for hiatus to run for president. And I can tell you with confidence that We share the same value set in common.
I'll tell you about my faith. My faith teaches me that God puts each of us here for a purpose. That we have a moral duty to realize that purpose. That God works through us in different ways, But we're still equal because God resides in each of us. Now I had what you would call not a Traditional upbringing, but probably a very traditional upbringing.
Right? My parents taught me family is the foundation. Marriage is sacred. Divorce isn't some option you just prefer off a menu when things don't go your way. Abstinence before marriage is the way to go.
Adultery is wrong. That the good things in life involve a sacrifice. Now are those foreign values in this country? I know it could look that way at times. You turn on the television, go to the movie theater, your local DEI training at a company or what they're teaching your kids in schools.
That could Seem a little unfamiliar. I don't think it's unfamiliar to most of us. I think those are the same Judeo Christian values that I learned at saint x, when we get to the Ten Commandments, what do they say? There's 1 true god. Don't take his name in vain.
Observe the Sabbath. Respect your parents. Don't kill. Don't lie. Don't cheat.
Don't steal. Don't commit adultery. Don't covet. That's when it hit me. We share the same value set in common.
It's another core teaching in my faith, which is that we don't get to choose who God works through. God chooses who God works through. So we get to the Old Testament a little bit further along. We get to the book of Isaiah. I don't know if Many of you're familiar with with that one.
God chose Cyrus, a Gentile all the way in Persia, To lead the Jewish people back to the promised land. And so, yes, I believe God put us here for a purpose. My faith is what leads me On this journey to run for president, my gratitude to this country is what leads me. And even when we think about the founding fathers, I'm a fan of history. Okay?
I talked about Thomas Jefferson earlier. We'll stick to Thomas Jefferson. He was a deist, actually. Let's be honest about it, because the the left wants to rewrite our history and tell you he was Slave owner and evil man. No.
I reject that. But we're not gonna have anybody rewriting our history. Thomas Jefferson was a deist. He made the Jefferson Bible. You know how he did it?
He didn't believe in all the parts of the New Testament, but he took a blade, razor blade by hand, glued it together, and that made the Jefferson Bible, which we have today. John Adams wrote letters to Thomas Jefferson, actually became something of a Hindu scholar after he left. And so I think it's important to see our founding fathers three dimensionally, Not the way that they've been rewritten post 1990 either. And so, yes, do I would I be the best president to spread Christianity through this country? I would not.
I'd be not the best choice for that, but I also don't think that that's the job of the US president. But will I Stand for the Judeo Christian values that this nation was founded on, that I was raised in, even in the Hindu faith. Yes, I will. You're darn right I will. And as a young person picking up on that strand from earlier, I think it's my responsibility to make faith And patriotism and family and hard work, cool again in this country.
I think they're pretty cool and I think that's my job. As your next president and to back to the First Amendment, we will stand for religious liberty in a way that neither Republicans nor Democrats actually have. That's what the First Amendment says. You get to practice your faith. Every pastor in this country gets to do his job without the government getting in their way.
That's what I'm gonna keep as a
Speaker 0: Let me ask you about a little bit of news. The Supreme Court announced that it would hear a case, this term that could potentially restrict access nationwide to a widely used abortion drug called Mifepristone. You oppose abortion, but do you believe that the court should limit the distribution of this drug nationwide?
Speaker 2: So I think this is a question. It's the job of the Supreme Court. Who would have ever thought to judge the law? This is a case about administrative law. Actually, this is less about the abortion question, and it's more about did the FDA exceed the scope of its statutory authority When it approved Mifepristone on an emergency basis, and these emergency approvals are generally reserved for life saving therapies that need to be brought to market Quickly.
So this is a symptom, Abby, of what's going on in the administrative state. The people who we elect to run the government, They're not even the ones who actually run the government right now. It's the bureaucrats in those 3 letter agencies that are pulling the strings today. So the most important Supreme Court case of our lifetime, and I want people to understand this, came out last term. It's West Virginia versus EPA that said if Congress did not expressly give an agency the right To write a regulation, then that's unconstitutional.
And so it is my opinion, it's the Supreme Court's that'll matter, but I'm pretty sure they're gonna come down where I where I am on this, That the FDA exceeded its statutory authority in using an emergency approval to approve something that doesn't fit Congress's criteria for what actually counts as an emergency approval. So, yes, I hope they follow the law. I hope that's where they come down. And if the people of this country disagree with that, we have a mechanism for that. It's called the democratic process.
Do it through the front door of Congress. And there's 1 thing I'm gonna do as the next president. It's to shut down that 4th branch of government. Rescind those unconstitutional federal regulations that Congress never actually passed. And, yes, lay off 75% of the federal employee headcount.
That's the
Speaker 0: I wanna get to our question. But just before we do that, just so that everyone is clear, you do believe that the Supreme Court should Ban Mifepristone.
Speaker 2: I believe that the Supreme Court should put the FDA back in its place.
Speaker 0: That But as it relates
Speaker 2: to this particular That's before the court.
Speaker 0: But as it relates to
Speaker 2: this should rule on the law.
Speaker 0: It relates to this particular drug And as it relates to this particular drug And as it relates to this particular drug you believe that that will ultimately result in Mifepristone being banned nationwide?
Speaker 2: I believe it will result in Mifepristone being taken off the market Until they go through the process that's ordained for every other drug that doesn't go through emergency approval. Okay. The FDA should follow the law if the rest of us do too. Simple thing to ask.
Speaker 0: I do wanna go to our audience again. We've got Claire Musselman here waiting to ask a question. She's a professor at Drake University who teaches In the College of Business and Education, she's a Republican from West Des Moines who is undecided. Claire?
Speaker 9: Thank you, Abby. Thank you also for spending time with our students at Drake. A professor, I think it's super important that we get that opportunity, so thank you for spending time with them. As president, what specific strategies would you implement to Promote diversity and inclusion in leadership roles within both public and private sectors. How do you plan to support the advancement of underrepresented groups, Including women in these areas.
Speaker 2: So I'll be very honest with you. I'm gonna share with you Tom, a soul quote that stuck with If you care about somebody, you tell them the truth or at least what you believe. If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear, and I'm I have a feeling I'm not gonna tell you what you want to hear on this one. So I think the diversity, equity, inclusion agenda has been abused. In the name of diversity, we have, at many of our universities, Totally sacrifice diversity of thought.
In the name of equity, we've perpetuated a lot of inequity and inequality of opportunity through affirmative action and otherwise. In the name of inclusion, we've created a new culture of exclusion where certain points of view aren't welcome. So especially in a university setting, what do I care about? Diversity of viewpoint. This is important, actually.
I think diversity of viewpoint is part of what this country was built on. Well, the best way to Foster diversity of viewpoint is to screen candidates for the diversity of their views, actually. Many look at the board members of many universities. You wanna go through their partisan affiliation. It's not Eightytwenty.
It's gonna be like 90:10 in the other direction. That's completely at odds with the representation of this country. So do I value diversity of viewpoint? Absolutely. Do I think we're doing a good job of that?
No. We're not. And it's not an accident. In the name of diversity, we've actually created a new culture of conformity. And so I think it's entirely possible to have a group of 10 people who look similar to one another, who have different views.
I think it's entirely possible to have a group of 10 people look different from one another or who look the same as one another but have different views or look different from one another and have the same views. And so I think the best way to screen candidates for the diversity of their experiences Is to actually ask them about the diversity of their experiences. And I think the use of these racial and gender quota systems, I think I've actually created a new form of racism in the United States that otherwise would not have existed. It's sad to me. I mean, I've hired, Not because I was thinking about it consciously.
Plenty of black women in different positions of authority in this campaign or other companies or whatever. And I can tell you it saddens me when people look at somebody who I hired on the basis of merit and say that they only got that job because of their race or Gender. That doesn't do anybody a favor. And so I think if we restore true meritocracy in this country and embrace true diversity of thought, chances are we're actually gonna have A bunch of different shades of melanin and a range of genders in different positions, but let it be not the goal. Let it just be a byproduct of selecting for people who are the best person for the job and especially in a university setting, diverse viewpoints as well.
That's what
Speaker 0: And that's a good place for us to pause. We'll be right back with more from presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswami. Welcome back to CNN's town hall with presidential The candidate, Vivek Ramaswami. Let's go straight to the audience. We've got Rhonda McCoy here.
She's a retired French professor from West Des Moines. Rhonda is a Republican who is undecided in this primary. Rhonda?
Speaker 10: Good evening. Thank you for being here. What is the most important For interesting thing you've learned about Iowans during your travel through the state.
Speaker 2: I've learned a lot. I think Iowans I think one thing I share in common with Iowans is a level of candor, actually. Everybody everybody told me about Iowa nice. That's what I was told before I came here. What I've actually found is Iowa candor.
And I appreciate that because that's the true form of nice. Know, we we did this is the 10th event we're doing today, actually. So we've done 10 events like this across the state, and I found that people Appreciate that. We're visiting they call the full Grassley. It's it goes all 99 counties.
We're doing that times 2, actually, going in this in this year period. And it doesn't feel like work to me, actually. Feels like we're having open conversations. I find that they don't appreciate pre canned speeches, So I've mostly dispensed with that. Or if I'm gonna do it, I'll keep it to 2 to 5 minutes.
I find that they actually appreciate and relish Open conversation and candor. I think that's one of the things that surprised me most. The other thing that I think that surprised me was Somebody told me this. We ran the, Des Moines turkey trot. We were here on Thanksgiving.
And as I was running, somebody wished me good luck, and then she said, but you know how to spell luck. Right? And this is an expression I had learned from my parents a long time ago. She says, you spell it w o r k. And I said, you know what?
That sounds like something that my parents taught me when I was little. But I think that that's also something that I found amongst Iowans is they value people who work hard because many of you do work hard. A culture of farmers. A culture of people who are business builders across the state. And I think that's something that we would do well to make a national value in this country again.
Embrace hard work. Give us back our sense of purpose. That's how we revive this country. Thank you.
Speaker 0: Alright. Well, a big thank you to our audience, and thank you to mister Ramaswami. Thank you. Thank you to our host here at Grandview University. C.
Caitlin Collins is up next.
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys.
Speaker 5: Good evening. I'm Kalyn Collins here in New York. You have been watching a live CNN town hall with
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Exposé on Vivek….who is he and what is his agenda? https://t.co/FgLYU9fURZ
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The speaker discusses Vivek Rameswami and raises concerns about his background and affiliations. They mention his education, internships, and business ventures, suggesting possible connections to influential figures like George Soros and Justin Trudeau. The speaker also questions Rameswami's stance on China, pointing out his business ties to the country. They highlight his involvement with various organizations, including the Milken Institute and the World Economic Forum. The speaker concludes by accusing Rameswami of being a corporate Trojan horse and insinuates that he is working against former President Trump. They offer to provide advice to Rameswami's team.
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Speaker 0: So I think I figured out how they're going to curtail the 2024 US election, and it's going to come in the form of a Trojan horse by the name of Vivek Rameswami. Let's do a deep dive into this guy and all the claims that he makes, and then the actual truth behind who this guy is. So let's start off with just a simple search and Wikipedia just to see what his handlers have to say about him. You see, Vivek actually went to Saint Xavier High School, which is affiliated with the Jesuit order. Those of you who don't understand how evil that order is, I suggest you do a deep dive in there.
Then they state that he went to Harvard University where he received a bachelor's of arts in biology, which would mean the bachelor's of science. You know what, your handlers are really bad, and they screwed that up, but that's fine. Well, you also see that while he was in college, he actually liked to perform M and M covers, and his alter ego, so not stage name, alter ego, and we all know how that goes in Hollywood, was de Vec. Really weird. But then he went to intern for a hedge fund and an investment bank at Goldman Sachs.
I mean, if that doesn't Grim, an insider, I don't know what does. But then you see, after post graduation from Yale Law School, He was actually awarded a fellowship by the Paul and Daisy Soros Foundation. That's George Soros' brother. I don't know about you guys, but if I see George Soros, that is a huge red flag. But you see, then it even gets worse because, apparently, while he was in law at Yale.
He started a $2,000,000,000 company. I know, I mean, the guy is a genius. Right? Almost like he's being sponsored and paid by someone. Now the company that he made was a pharmaceutical company called Royavant, and boy, is there a lot on that company.
Let's get into it. Now what's interesting is Royavant is actually suing Moderna and Pfizer over patented COVID vaccine technology, the nano lipids specifically. But then it gets even weirder. Now it gets even better because the company, partnership companies with Royvant, Arbitis, and Genovant, are actually facing lawsuits from Acuitas Therapeutics. Now what's interesting Singh is Acutas Pharmaceuticals is actually here in Canada in Burnaby, BC.
And it has been rumored that Justin Trudeau has investments in it through a bunch of shadow companies and that he might be guilty of basically racketeering. But what's also interesting is Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have put in a lot of money into that QTAS Therapeutics Company. Now you also claim that you're against BlackRock, Vanguard, JPMorgan, and all of those big corporations who like to push ESGs and, you know, things like that. But but why do they have huge stakes in your company? Let me show you.
So JPMorgan Chase and Co. Also increased their price objective on Roy Band Sciences from 14 to $16. Interesting. Oh, look. BlackRock, also a major institutional investor and hedge fund player themselves, increase their ownership in your company by 4.1%.
Weird. Now let's debunk his whole anti China spiel. Right? He says he's anti China, anti this, but it just so happens that he actually started 2 companies in China and has Chinese investments in them. Let me show you.
So you launched companies out of China and formed partnerships with Chinese firms. Those 2 Chinese firms are investors. Interesting. And here you are saying how we need a vaccine To basically curtail the pandemic. Interesting.
Oh, Reuters actually wrote an article about how RoyVant, Your company and Pfizer teamed up on an inflammatory disease drug. LOL. Now you're also saying that you would like to, you know, Basically, curtail all of these, like, big corporations that have ESG agendas. So you started a venture called Strive Asset Management in 2022 where you partner up with PayPal. PayPal.
You know, the guys that actually put in, if you speak online, we can take away your account. And then they kind of Took that off and then silently put it back into their policies while everybody went back to sleep. Yeah. Those guys. Now let's look at your ties to the World Economic Forum, where you said you sued them so you can get their name off of their website.
But how did it get there, Vivek? Would it be because you're part of the Milken Institute, which is the WEF basically official, but for the Americans? Yeah. It is. By the way, your handlers Forgot to erase that off the Internet, and I found it.
So let me show you. You see here, it is said that they wanted to actually give you An awesome little trophy, and they put Milken Institute. Then I found you on Milken Institute, where you are basically saying How everything with the pandemic and the vaccine blah blah blah. You see the Milken Institute was founded in 1991 in the United States. And it is basically similar to the World Economic Forum, which was made in Switzerland in 1971.
You guys basically do the exact same things, just on different like landscapes. But here is where your PR team really, really screwed up. It was the shirt that says Save Trump, vote for Vivek. Where I figured out that you're basically running this show. You have no platform.
You have no political platform. Have no idea what you're doing. You even said it yourself that you're basically just there to have debates on stage. But you're going to steal votes from Trump so that the Democrats can steal the election again. You're basically a corporate Trojan horse, and you are repeating everything that we have said online.
And it's really funny that Elon Musk, the guy who opened the floodgates to basically open speech, who has been copying everything we're saying, You are now repeating everywhere on those stages. Interesting. But this is where your handlers screwed up. See that little thing that says Save Trump, vote for Vivek, or vote Vivek. Here's the thing.
I believe that your handler might be a Jesuit order guy, and I think you should fire him. Because as a PR manager, he's really, really bad. And I'm starting to actually feel sorry for you guys because you guys are screwing up so bad and making rookie mistakes. And all I have to say is maybe give me a call. DM me on Instagram, and I can give you some pointers.
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FULL INTERVIEW: Vivek Ramaswamy With Dr. Ben Carson @VivekGRamaswamy https://t.co/yEt4smiGo4
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In this episode of "Common Sense with Dr. Ben Carson," Dr. Carson interviews Vivek Ramaswami, a successful entrepreneur and former presidential candidate. They discuss the importance of common sense principles in politics and the need to restore accountability in government. They also touch on topics such as term limits, reducing the size of the federal bureaucracy, and addressing the national debt. Ramaswami emphasizes the shared values of Hinduism and Christianity and the need to focus on individual responsibility rather than victimhood. He expresses hope for the future of the country and encourages people to stand up for their beliefs.
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Speaker 0: Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Common Sense with doctor Ben Carson. I'm your host, Ben Carson. And I've got a guest today who epitomizes common sense. He's a very successful entrepreneur and, has run for president of the United States and is working very hard on preserving our country. I I wanna welcome to the podcast Vivek Ramaswami.
Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 1: Doctor Carson, good to talk to you. At, you know, long last, we've been looking forward to this. So let's, let's have a good conversation.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, you you're a tremendous, inspiration to a lot of people because you're so articulate. But more than that, you're logical. You make sense. And, you posted, not too long ago, some principles that you believe in that, you would help anyone who expected your support to believe in. What what were those what were those principles, and why are they so important?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look. I I think that first of all, I love the title of the podcast, Common Sense, because it speaks to a shared set of values that I think most of us hold in common. But if you also even go back to our revolutionary roots, Thomas Paine's original work that started the American Revolution was called Common Sense. One of the things I did during my presidential campaign, and I know that you know what that's all about, having been through it yourself, We created these pamphlets called truth on the front, but it was modeled exactly on the visual format that Thomas Paine used 250 years ago.
And I think we live in this 1776 kind of moment today where it is those basic common ideals that are on the table right now. So the principle that I've espoused, for example, what I call the American truth pledge that I've advanced after my campaign to say that I'm supporting candidates across the country, black or white. It doesn't matter to me. Man or woman, I don't care. Do you espouse the basic ideals that this nation was founded on, including the idea that the people we elect to run the government should actually be the ones who run the government, not the shadow government in the bureaucracy that runs the show today.
It's not a democrat idea or republican idea. It's a basic American idea of common sense. The people who we elect to run the government should be the ones who actually run the government. That the first and sole moral duty of US leaders is to US citizens, period. Not the citizens of a different country, but the citizens of this country.
Again, that's not a partisan idea. It's a it's an idea that's founded goes to the heart of what this country was founded on back to George Washington.
Speaker 0: The founders put together some pretty good, you know, they looked at every government that ever existed. They were eclectic, and they kinda Yes. Pulled good stuff and left the bad stuff out and put together something that was pretty, admirable. But
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Needless to say.
Speaker 0: We have a situation now where we have to wonder, how do we enforce the principles? I mean, the Supreme Court, for instance, you know, said that the taxing mandates were unconstitutional. They said that, you know, forgiving the student loan debt was unconstitutional, and administration does it anyway. I mean, how how do we actually enforce what is supposed to be done?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think a lot of what's happening isn't even coming top down from the US president. Take that first principle. Right? The people we elect to run the government should be the ones who run the government.
That's not the case today. Today, the people who wield the levers of power, and and I know that you know this well as well as those who've seen it firsthand, it's really the 3 letter agencies. It's bureaucrats. Not even the people at the cabinet level appointments, but even at layers beneath them that set the policy of the country. And so I think part of what we're missing, and it's part of why, like you, I'm focused on making sure that we do have the right chief executive.
I think and for the next 4 years, that's gonna be Donald Trump, who exercises the appropriate executive authority vested in the US president by article 2 of the constitution of the United States. And I think that's something we've been missing certainly in the last 4 years. But even if you look from most of the last several decades, the idea of the president being the one who actually runs the show has been more often than not not the case. It's actually been the bureaucracy underneath that gets away with sidestepping what the constitution demands. And so you gave 2 two examples of that, but we see that every day from our foreign policy to our domestic policy to education policy.
And I think that once we restore that accountability that agree or not. I mean, you you know, it's the person who's elected in congress or in the senate or even the presidency may not be the one that people like you and I agree with. But at least let's start with this. At least the ones who we elect are the ones who actually set policy, not the shadow government in that deep state. Once we fix that, the rest becomes much easier.
Speaker 0: It's interesting that there are 4,000,000 employees in the executive branch government. President only gets to change 3,000 of them when he comes in, so that's a drop in the bucket. And these people have been there for 20, 30, 40. There were even people at HUD had been there for 50 years. Unbelievable.
They know how to slow off things. They know how to speed things up. And, we that's a that's an issue that we're gonna have to find a way to deal with. You've got some ideas on how we shed some of those 4,000,000 people, aren't you?
Speaker 1: I do. And I think that you're right. I mean, the way you pointed that out was eye opening to most people. That of the 4,000,000, it's only a few thousand that technically the president can individually fire. And so, you know, I think that there are some some steps taken in motion even toward the end of the first Trump term of schedule f expansion that that few thousand could be a lot more than just those few thousand.
I think those are steps in the right direction. But I think we gotta take a bigger leap forward than that, which is to read the current law very carefully, which says that, yes, the president cannot individually fire those individual bureaucrats. The whole idea is that you wanted to prevent fear of political retaliation. But here's what the president can do under current law is mass firings, large indiscriminate layoffs. And so what I think we need, doc Carson, is we need about a 75% reduction across the board in the number of federal bureaucrats.
Not to say that I'm picking on you or you because you're a bad person and you did a bad job. It's that of those 4,000,000, we need fewer than 1,000,000 right now. And those large indiscriminate layoffs, bringing an ax, the chainsaw, not the chisel, that's actually something the president is allowed to do right now even under current law. He can't pick and choose which of those 3,000,000. But if you just say 3,000,000 out the door and it's done as a mass indiscriminate layoff, even in stages, that is something that's permissible under current law.
I think some of these agencies need to outright be shut down. Take the Department of Education. I don't think we need a federal Department of Education. Shut it down. Take the nuclear regulatory commission that's been an impediment to nuclear energy in this country.
Well, I think that other parts of the federal government can handle nuclear safety in a way that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has not. Shut that down. So those are examples of how I would do it.
Speaker 0: And what about the idea of maybe decentralizing some of the agencies, spreading them out Yes. In other parts of the country?
Speaker 1: I love that idea for two reasons. 1 is, first of all, it makes the people at least who work in those agencies more accountable to the people. Right? So I'm talking to you from Ohio. I spent I know you spent a lot of time there some a number of years ago in Iowa.
The Department of Agriculture could easily sit in one of these states rather than Washington DC. I mean, the agency you ran, certainly HUD. I I think that although in that one, you put in the inner city of DC, maybe you see part of what you're working on. But there's a lot of these other agencies that could be more accountable to the people. But one of the reasons I love moving agencies out of Washington DC is that that's also one of the way of implementing these mass layoffs while even avoiding the severance costs of it, to be honest with you.
Because if you tell people they have to move, a lot of those people won't even move from DC. That's an automatic downsizing in much of that employee base right there. And so the Department of State, Department of Treasury, fine. Those stay in DC. But most of those agencies don't need to be in DC.
I think they can actually create a greater sense of accountability and cohesion with the rest of the country. And the downsizing and the number of staff that work there goes naturally right along with that. So I think that's a great idea, and I think it's one we hopefully will will be acting on as a country soon.
Speaker 0: Well, there's a good chance you'll be running one of those agencies, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: I love your I love your your experience. Right? Because I think you have seen I mean, someone like you who's a brilliant surgeon going in with with a lot of common sense to see a place where common sense may be in in demand. I'm sure I'd have a ton to learn from you, from what that experience was all about.
Speaker 0: But it was, it was challenging sometimes with some of the difficult people, who felt entitled, to their positions. The only way to get rid of them sometimes was to tell them we're gonna promote you, and we need you to, work on, multifamily Igloo's or something in some of Alaska.
Speaker 1: So backwards. Yeah. Get someone out of a position. They they the fame promotion is the way you do it. So I I just wanna change that basic rail system.
Right? And I think if we can come agency wide across the entire federal bureaucracy of ways of massively, not a little bit, but massively downsizing the scope of that federal bureaucratic headcount. I think that's one of the most important ways we actually get our country back.
Speaker 0: It's a great idea. Now what about, term limits? How do you think we can get those? Because the congress has to vote on their own term limits. That seems pretty unlikely.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'll give you two answers there. One is let's focus on the kinds of term limits that we do need, that we can get even without congress acting. That's term limits in the bureaucracy. So I think most positions in the federal bureaucracy should be subject to the same term limit as the US president.
After all, if there's one executive branch, the US president leads that executive branch. The US president can only be the president for 8 years. Okay? Period. That's just how it works.
Two terms. I mean, in the most extreme scenarios, it's actually 10 years if somebody serves, but whatever it is. Let's say 8 years. I think that if you're working in that federal bureaucracy, learn it reporting into that US president, you shouldn't be able to occupy your position for more than 8 years either, at least for most positions. That's the kind of term limit the next president can implement without asking congress for permission or for forgiveness.
And it actually helps effectively make sure that we bring fresh lifeblood into the government and into Washington DC. So that's one type of term limit. Then we go to a different type of term limit, which is the one for congress and the senate, and there we run into this obstacle that you correctly point out. It's a little bit of a chicken and egg problem we have going on here, which is that on one hand, the term limit has to be passed by the very people you're trying to term limit out. How do you do that?
So think about common sense. Here's one of the ideas I have to hopefully work around this. I think we can, which is use those perverse incentives in our favor. Effectively strike the deal. Here's what the term limits are gonna be.
3 terms for congressman, 2 terms for the US Senate. And let's throw some other things in there too. Say that, you know what? You can't trade stocks while you're in Congress or while you're a bureaucrat. You can't be a lobbyist for at least 10 years after you leave that government.
The whole package of things that you would think congressman would never vote for, term limits that are against their own interest. But then as the final sweetener, the deal I think we could do is to tell them, and if you agree to this, those don't apply to you, actually. You're gonna grandfather in the people who are already in there who vote for that policy. But anybody who comes after them is bound by those same rules. I think in that case, this would immediately get through because these are wildly popular policies.
And the only reason they're not passing is because it's against the self interest of the people who are there. And so thinking about it, the way I think in the business world, as you know, my background's not in politics. It's in it's in the world of business. What is one of the things you learn is use people's incentives in your favor. And so as broken as that is, that's how we use those incentives in our favor to say, alright.
As dirty as it is, it does apply to you, but anybody who comes after you who who wins in an election and that's how we fix this country in
Speaker 0: the long run. That's a very unique idea. Makes a lot of sense. You had a incredible, business career. You're obviously very smart.
Why would you go into politics? What what made you decide to make that turn?
Speaker 1: For me, it was a sense of duty to this country, actually. I mean, the choices I made coming out of my education were to win through the system of American capitalism. I didn't grow up in Wells. I know I know you didn't either, but it's like so many Americans who've lived the American dream. I've lived the full arc of that American dream.
My dad was facing layoffs at the GE plant in Evendale, Ohio. He had to go to night school for 4 years. I used to sit in the back of the class. When he was going to those law classes, he got a law degree while he was in the middle of his career going to night school to be able to keep the job at GE amidst their layoffs. That made me, I would say, ambitious to succeed through capitalism.
Who was this Jack Welch guy laying off 2 thirds of the people in my dad's plant? Well, tell me about what that path looks like. And so I got in the world of business, and, you know, everybody has their chip on their shoulder and whatever it is from their upbringing. And in some ways, some of the challenges we faced growing up gave me my chip on my shoulder, you could say. But that's what I was focused on.
And and I don't think anybody should have to apologize for their success in this country. I think we should be proud of it. But at the same time, you know, I think that now I'm in a phase of my life saying that though I've won through the system of American capitalism and and achieved success in the American dream, there's more to this country than just the individual side of it. And part of our duty as citizens is to do what we can to pass that country on to our kids and their generation. And I'm worried that that country where I live that American dream, where people like you live that American dream, that isn't going to be available to our kids and their generation unless we step up and actually do something about it.
And so for me, it was a sense of gratitude to this country, actually. I think it's probably much the same for you. It's it's a sense of duty and gratitude.
Speaker 0: No question. Speaking of, the future, why is it that you think that young people, people in your generation and even younger don't seem to be that concerned about the accumulating national debt. It will have an enormous impact on the quality of their lives. Did they just not understand that?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that I don't know that I think it's that they don't understand it. It's more that they're more concerned with what's staring them in the face. I mean, a lot of young people, I think, have been disillusioned and jaded where, you know, they've been told for years, go get that college debt and get a head start in the American dream. Go become a gender studies major in California, and somehow that's gonna give you a head start.
It didn't work out that way, and they're saddled with debt. They were told things about the war in Iraq that didn't turn out to be true. Many of their peers went and go died fighting those wars, fighting for other people. That accumulated a lot of our national debt too. So I think that it's become this feeling of jadedness.
It's almost a sense of cynicism to say that, okay. Yeah. We've been lied to for a long time. Now we have this debt. Well, thank you very much.
That's a theoretical abstract concept. But right now, I'm ready to hear about what affects my life and makes it better right now. And so one of the things I'm looking at is I'm sure I think we as a movement should be looking at is, how do we deliver solutions to the national debt that actually grow that economy at the same time rather than first going to what are we taking away from you? Right? So if you go to young people who have been lied to from the Ward Rock to the 2008 bailouts to a 4 year college degree getting them a head start, which they didn't have a chance to enjoy, and then say, oh, by the way, you'll be the 1st generation that doesn't collect Social Security Medicare benefits that are still being deducted from your paycheck, which by the way is pretty paltry for most people.
People don't respond well to that. But if we take a different approach to say, you know what? Here's how we're gonna pay down our national debt. We're not gonna fight foreign wars that don't advance our interest. 7,000,000,000,000 of that $33,000,000,000,000 national debt today is owed to those 2 wars in just Iraq and Afghanistan that didn't advance interest, so we won't make those same mistakes again.
And then we're gonna have an instant problem that at least makes this manageable. And I'll tell you one way we can make this manageable. Get the oil and natural gas out from underneath our ground Absolutely. And then sell it. And buy down about $8,000,000,000,000 of our national debt that way.
Speaker 0: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: That I think is actually appealing because that brings down that addresses inflation, increases supply of energy, delivers economic growth, and addresses the national debt. And if you bring the national debt down by 50%. Yeah. That that's that's a solution.
Speaker 0: And it hurts Putin also.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It does. And and and
Speaker 0: and I mean, who's funding his war?
Speaker 1: Of course. I mean, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine had it not been for the fact that we had shot our own selves in the foot when it comes to domestic energy production in the United States. And so energy security is economic security, but energy security is national security. And so I think that the more we focus on what are we going to do to grow the pie and actually deliver prosperity while fighting the national debt rather than falling into the trap that I think some Republicans fall into, which is just talking about what are we gonna take away from you. I think the more productive the next step in fighting our national debt is gonna be.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, it's encouraging listening to, people like yourself because, our country is going to need very bright people who think out of the box. And it's sad to say that thinking logically is thinking out of the box.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And for the box has become very constricted and, doesn't really point us in the right direction anymore. But I wanna ask you about, ESG, DEI, all these things that seem to be infiltrating every aspect of our society. You know, recently, the Glass Lewis recommended that the stockholders vote against me because I'm the chairman of the nominating governance committee of, a fortune to buy other company. And we dropped from 33% limit to 25% limit when we added a couple of people. So now I'm a bad person.
But, of course, how how stupid is that? Because if they voted against me, then they got a problem with that minority rep.
Speaker 1: It's a never ending game. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Playing with the numbers instead of playing with what needs to be done for the viability of the company.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 0: And I
Speaker 1: think that we gotta get beyond this identitarian obsession. And each of us is an individual, an Asian, not just the product of our genetics or gender or our skin color. And I think part of what this ESG movement has done, in this case, it's the s prong of ESG. So it's environmental, social, and governance factors, but the s refers to social, is to take that toxic, divisive, and anti meritocratic ideology and import that into corporate America's boardrooms, where you'll you'll know this well if it's a public company, for example, that you had experience with. Most public companies in America today are owned by large index fund managers, BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, and so on, who are using the money of everyday citizens, probably probably people watching this conversation right now, to vote for policies in corporate America's boardrooms that most Americans don't agree with, climate change emissions, caps, racial equity audits, etcetera, but also which don't advance their best financial interests.
A company isn't better off if it's constrained in who they can hire for the job. They're not better off as an oil company if they have to limit their emissions when Chinese companies aren't doing the same thing. And so that's actually what's on the line is capitalism itself is corrupted when the people who are the asset managers looking after other people's money aren't actually looking to maximize value for those shareholders. And so one of the things I did, this is before I ran for president, is I founded a company called Strive. And I'm a big believer in driving solutions through the private sector and through the market wherever possible.
But when I founded Strive, the sole goal was to create an alternative that said, you know what? To everyday citizens across this country, if your money's being invested in public companies, vote for policies that advance your interests financially. What maximizes profit? What allows companies to be most successful rather than advancing somebody's environmental or social goal? And STRIP cost over $1,000,000,000 in assets under management in the 1st year after launching its first fund.
That's twice as fast almost as it took JPMorgan or others to get to the same place. And so that shows that there's a hunger out there in this country for alternatives. But part of the change we have to drive is not just through government, it's through that private sector as well.
Speaker 0: Boy, we could talk to this man forever. It's that's so much common sense, to be so young. Of course, I used to hear that when I was young too, but, it's gonna help us. And, there's hope for our country, I do believe. But I wanna ask you, you talk about the nation of victims Yeah.
And the victim mentality, which is really a problem because if you think you're a victim, you are 1.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And, you know, we hear so often about the wealth gap, for instance, between black families and white families in this country, and it exists. There is a wealth gap. But interestingly enough, if you look at Nigerian families, Ghanaian families, and people from some other, countries with population is predominantly black. There's no work yet. But if you go into a Nigerian home in this country, what do you thought?
A bachelor's degree is the baseline. That's where you start Mhmm. And a tremendous emphasis on family. Same thing with Ghanaians. And here's what's interesting.
If you take traditional black American families who have those values, family and education, there's no wealth gap either. Could we be looking at the wrong thing when we're looking at skin color?
Speaker 1: I think we're looking at the wrong thing, and you nailed it. You said that more succinctly than I ever have, which is that imagine if you sort of take even just take the fatherlessness issue. I mean, you could take education, family values, but let's just take one metric, fatherlessness. If you don't have a father in the household, you're 8 times more likely to end up in prison. You're 10 times more likely not to graduate from high school, etcetera.
So that's that's true whether you're black, brown, Asian, or white. Then you just look at okay. Are there disparities amongst different communities in the rates of fatherlessness? Yes. There are, but that's what explains the difference in actual undesirable result.
And so go to the root cause. Address that in a way that helps people of every skin color, white, black, brown, and everything in between. And so that's what we need to have the courage to do is to speak that hard truth. Now the irony here is that the likes of Lyndon Johnson, right, president Johnson, through the so called great society, the greatest misnomer for a policy proposal that I've heard in my that we've probably seen in modern American politics, probably in history, said in the name of helping black Americans or whatever, we're gonna adopt policy that actually didn't help them at all. Paying single mothers more money not to have a man in the house than to have a man in the house.
Pay people more money to stay at home instead of to go to work. That's not just bad for them economically. It's bad psychologically. It's bad mentally. If you lose your sense of self worth and dignity, part of which you get through hard work, then you actually think of yourself as worth less.
Then reinforce that with an educational system or a military or an institution that tells you you can't achieve anything you ever want because the color of your skin limits you. I can't think of something more toxic to tell a kid today than you can't achieve something because the color of your skin. That's a new form of psychological slavery in this country. And you said it well. I mean, if you think of yourself as a victim, then you are 1.
Speaker 0: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And that's what we need to declare emancipate ourselves from today.
Speaker 0: Well, we're gonna be wrapping up in a minute here, but I wanna ask you something that a lot of people have had in their mind that is about Hinduism. Does Hindu theology and Christian theology align?
Speaker 1: Deeply common values. Absolutely. In fact, John Adams, when he left the White House, he actually, in his famous letters to Thomas Jefferson, became something of a Hindu scholar and a Sanskrit scholar. And there was extensive reflectors even from him to Thomas Jefferson on this dating back to, you know, not too many years after our own founding, after those two guys were out of office. So I'll tell you the heart of of my faith, and it's a little bit different than, you know, exactly what the Christian faith is, but grounded in the same values.
There's one true god. He puts us here for a purpose. He works through us. It is not being done by us. It is being done through us.
But we are all still equal. Even though God works through us in different ways, we're still equal because God resides in each of us. Similar to saying because we're each made in the image of God. And I have some understanding of this because I went to Christian schools, and I read the Bible for the first time in 9th grade. And I can tell you when I read those 10 commandments.
Right? There's one true god. Don't take his name in vain. Observe the Sabbath. Honor your parents.
That was a big one in my upbringing too. Don't kill. Don't lie. Don't cheat. Don't steal.
Don't commit adultery. Don't covet. Those are the same values that undergird the the Hindu upbringing that I had in this country. And the beauty of our foundational values, the Judeo Christian values that America was founded on is they actually reach people of faith even beyond just the traditional Judeo Christian background, but those are the values that the country was founded on. And
Speaker 0: Amen.
Speaker 1: And and even Thomas Paine, whose namesake of common sense we're we're honoring maybe today or Thomas Jefferson. They had slightly nontraditional beliefs from the traditional Christian view, but they knew that those were still the Judeo Christian values that the country needed to be founded on. As John Adams said, our constitution was made for a moral people.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's a value that I share deeply and wanna revive in this country as well.
Speaker 0: And as we've thrown those values away, look what's happening. We need to bring it back. Last question. What gives you hope for our country?
Speaker 1: What gives me hope is actually the last year of traveling this country, not meeting people through TV screens and social media and and media. But actually I mean, you did this as well. You know what this is like. Tens of thousands of people in the flesh, in rooms, without any TV screens in between. And what I think I've understood is just even relating to that last question you asked me.
I think most of us in this country, 80 plus percent of us, certainly, share those same values in common. And I didn't just go to Republican events in Iowa. I went from the south side of Chicago to Kensington in the inner city of Philadelphia to Flint, Michigan, places that aren't necessarily traditional places that Republicans would go in a primary. And what I saw in this country is a group of people who forget the labels, black or white or even Democrat or Republican, who share the same foundational values in common, but who need to be given permission to actually state their views in public. And the more we're able to do that, I think the more we realize that even though you or I might disagree with our neighbor on, I don't know, what the tax rate should be or whatever issue of the day is.
Mhmm. We share the same founding values that this nation was built on. That the people we elect to run the government should run the government. That you get to speak your mind freely as long as I get to in return. That you get ahead in this country, not on the color of your skin, but on the content of your character and your contributions.
Yes. What gives me hope is I saw over that last year that most of us in this country share those values in common. And as long as we start speaking our minds openly again, not self censoring, not saying one thing at the dinner table, but another in public. You know, say the same thing at the dinner table that you'll say at public and vice versa. I think we're gonna get this country back.
Overcome that culture of fear, and I'm hopeful for it.
Speaker 0: Well, what gives me hope is people like you. And, I've been to a number of universities lately. We'll have several more on the schedule. And seeing a lot of young people waking up and not just accepting the propaganda that's been giving them and studying and knowing who we are and what our values are. And, if we can get people to be courageous, that's really the key because you can't be the land of the free if you're not the home of the brave.
You certainly are brave, and you have, been out there suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, and you're gonna be around for a long time. You're gonna play a big part in what happens to this country. I just wanna thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Carson. The honor was mine. As I was mentioning before, my wife met you years ago when she was a student, and you were an esteemed surgeon. And you're one of the people who apparently, she told me, actually, she met you and your wife in person, and she went on to become a surgeon herself. And so Thank you.
That's an example of you giving inspiration to what was once young people too. And so I'm I'm honored to to be talking to you, and I know you're gonna do your part. I'm gonna do mine, and and that's how we're gonna get our country back because every one of us do what's asked of us.
Speaker 0: I want you all to remember how important it is to stand up for what you believe in because people who think logically like to know that there are other people who are with them. And when you're just silent, they don't know whether you're with them or not, and that sometimes dampens their enthusiasm for fighting some of the Marxist tendencies that are starting to invade our country. We need to support each other, and we need to be respectful of everybody. And that's it for this week. Hope you enjoyed this episode.
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Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden are accused of corruption and law-breaking. Biden has learned from Obama and Clinton that being a liberal Democrat means avoiding prosecution. The speaker believes there is a conspiracy to destroy their opponent. Another speaker claims to be the target of a witch hunt and election interference. They vow to protect freedom in 2024.
Translation: Accusations of corruption against Obama, Clinton, and Biden. Biden learns from them to avoid prosecution as a Democrat. Speaker 1 claims to be targeted in a witch hunt and vows to protect freedom in 2024.
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Speaker 0: It is Barack Obama who corrupts the justice department. It is Hillary Clinton who routinely breaks the law and gets away with it. And now we have Joe Biden who's learned. He's learned from Obama that doesn't matter what you do. If you're a liberal Democrat, you will not be prosecuted.
He learned from Hillary that a person in high public office can get 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of dollars. And they learn from watching Donald Trump that a true outsider willing to take on the entire system could destroy their entire machine. So what you're seeing across the country is a desperate last ditch effort by a corrupt machine to destroy their most dangerous opponent.
Speaker 1: What you're witnessing is a continuation of the single greatest witch hunt of all time. These are ridiculous indictments, and all they're doing is hoping for massive of election interference. Our enemies wanna stop me because I am the only one who's going to be able to stop them. They wanna silence me because I will never let them silence you. They wanna take away my freedom because I will never let them take away your freedom.
We have one chance to save it, and that chance is called 2024.
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David Hilliard, a founding member of the Black Panther Party, knew Donald Trump in the 1960s in New York. Hilliard describes Trump as a friend to African Americans who supported the Black Panther Party financially. He believes Trump is not a racist and would be a good leader for America. Hilliard praises Trump's ability to make and lose money, suggesting he could help people make their own money. Hilliard's positive view of Trump is based on his interactions with him in the past.
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Speaker 0: Welcome to the random site. I want you to meet someone who knew Donald Trump, and he's gonna tell you about Donald Trump in his own words.
Speaker 1: My name is David Hilliard. I'm a member of the Black Panther Party. I knew Trump when Trump was a college student in New York, and he supported the Black Panther Party. That's how I know Trump.
Speaker 0: What kind of person do you think Donald Trump is?
Speaker 1: Trump is a person who's a decent man, and, he supported the Black Panther Party. That's what I just mentioned to you. He was someone who gave us money, and, Trump was a decent guy. Mhmm. Trump?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Trump's a friend of African Americans, and I knew Trump from the 19 sixties, in New York where he comes from. And he's a friend to African Americans.
Speaker 0: Oh, and now when you say a friend to African American, what do you mean by
Speaker 1: friend to African American? I mean I mean he's not a racist. He's not a racist fascist white man. He supported black people. Owned every brownstone in a place called Harlem, New York.
Speaker 0: Oh, wow. Okay. Now do you remember the time that Trump, supported Jesse Jackson?
Speaker 1: No. But I remember when he supported the Black Panther Party.
Speaker 0: Wow. That's incredible. And how did he support the Black Panther Party?
Speaker 1: With his money.
Speaker 0: Woah. For real. My goodness.
Speaker 1: They gave us money.
Speaker 0: So in your opinion, Trump has always been now that he's he has these 34 counts of being a felon, Trump has always been part part of the black community or familiarized at least with the black community.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Trump was a friend to people, of African American descent, and he owned all of Harlem.
Speaker 0: Wow. That's amazing. So in your opinion, sir, your valued opinion, why do you think, they put all these charges on Trump or and they're afraid of him to be president?
Speaker 1: Africans in America. He likes black folks. That's one. I think that Trump is, qualified in a very decent, approach to having somebody representing America.
Speaker 0: Trump is not I I agree with you, and I think Trump would be able to get us off this government, thing and and get us to making our own money, you know, because he knows, how to make money. He knows how to lose money, and so he would be the perfect person to help us get our own again. Right?
Speaker 1: And Trump's the friend of African Americans. He's always been a friend to black people. That's how I know Trump. Problem.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, thank you so much. And what is your name, sir?
Speaker 1: My name is David Hilliard, founding member of the Black Panther Party.
Speaker 0: Oh, my god. Well, that's amazing. You're a well known figure in the Bay Area. So we thank you for taking a moment out of your valued time to give us an interview for the random site. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: All power to the people.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you've heard it straight from David Hilliard's mouth, the founding member of the Black Panther Party supporting Donald Trump. Thank you very much. This has been your host, Carol d Mitchell, on the random side.
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President Trump is receiving support due to three causes: free speech, the war in Ukraine, and the "war on our children."
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Speaker 0: And now to throw my support to president Trump, the the causes were free speech, a war in Ukraine, and the war on our children.
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Trump has faced petitions, lawfare, a nonviolent coup, and media collusion. There has been a cover up of Joe Biden's cognitive failure, and years of comparing Trump to Hitler, with calls to stop him by any means necessary.
The speaker believes that Trump's opponents would kill him if they could, and that their opposition is based on emotion rather than policy or facts. They fear the one man who won't stop and doesn't care.
The speaker asks how any true rebel could not support Trump, given the attempts to arrest, sue, and even kill him, as well as the changing of laws and voting procedures to prevent him from winning. Trump's supporters have been shamed, targeted, doxed, and hoaxed. The speaker concludes by asking listeners to choose between joining the "pirate ship" or the "pontoon of pansies."
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Speaker 0: Think about everything that's been thrown at Trump. Okay? You have you've had petitions. You've had lawfare. You've had a nonviolent coup.
There's something new. You've had nonstop media collusion. You had a cover up of a cover up of Joe Biden's cognitive failure. You had, what, 7, 8 years of calling Trump Hitler and stating rather clearly that he must be stopped, and you must do everything possible to stop him. I wonder if that contributed to him getting shot.
I swear, if these people could go back in time and smother Trump in the crib, they'd bring a pillow. So when you step back, you gotta wonder why. It is emotional. They're not talking about any policy, no facts, just a tornado of terrified emotion. Fear the one man who won't stop, and he doesn't care.
If you're truly radical out there, if you're an honest to god rebel, okay, how could you not be in favor of Trump? They tried to arrest him. They tried to sue him. They tried to shoot and kill him. They changed laws to destroy him.
They changed the way we voted to keep him from winning. They shamed. They targeted. They doxed. They hoaxed supporters.
I mean, this is a moment you gotta ask yourself, are you gonna join the pirate ship or the pontoon of pansies?
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In this conversation, the discussion revolves around past political experiences, election integrity, and the current state of the country. The speaker reflects on their time on "The View," noting how perceptions changed once they entered politics. They emphasize the importance of fair elections, advocating for voter ID laws and expressing skepticism about mail-in ballots. The conversation touches on international relations, particularly with Russia and China, and the need for strong leadership. The speaker also mentions their collaboration with Robert Kennedy Jr. on health issues, highlighting concerns about the food industry and the influence of big pharma. They conclude by discussing the significance of addressing these challenges to ensure a better future for the country.
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Speaker 0: Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
Speaker 1: Alright. We're rolling. Good to see you. Here we go. One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because, it could get copyright strike, and we don't want to get the episode.
We don't want anybody to have any sort of a way to get it down. Sure. But it was the episode of You when you're on The View, and I think it was 2015 or 2,006, like, when you were running for president.
Speaker 0: Right. And you sat you got
Speaker 1: introduced as our friend, Donald Trump. That's right. Whoopi Goldberg gives you a
Speaker 0: big hug and a kiss.
Speaker 1: Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They all loved you. They were all talking about how your, you might be you might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially. They were they were talking about you as such a favorable light.
The audience was cheering, and then you actually started winning in the polls, and then the machine started working towards you. Yeah. But it's there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coordinated and systematically. When you see those same people in the past very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you're on Oprah Show Very. She was encouraging you.
Speaker 0: Last week, I did one of her last shows. I think maybe Thursday or Friday, that was a big deal being on Oprah's show, the last one. And I was, like, one of the last shows in that last that final week, and I said, boy, we've come a long way since since that.
Speaker 1: What was it like?
Speaker 0: Well, the concept it was really like 2 different lives. You know, I had a a very wonderful life, but I I wanted to do this. The Apprentice was still going very strong. We had 12 seasons, and, we had actually, 14 seasons, 12 years over. We had a couple of Well,
Speaker 1: they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president. Correct?
Speaker 0: No. They had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. I was involved in that, and I want I I had enough of it, and we did great. It was doing great, but they wanted me to stay. They all came to see me.
They said, we're gonna give you a contract. They wanted to extend my contract. Mark Burnett is a great guy. Then they wanted to extend the contract. Mark said, you're crazy.
Don't run. Don't run. Nobody gives up primetime, they said. You know, it's one of those little things, which is probably true. Nobody gives up primetime,
Speaker 1: though, for being president?
Speaker 0: For for running well, for running against 20 somewhat people. You know? It turned out to be 18. 18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians. They said, who would do this?
I mean, it's a long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came over. The, Paul Talegny. All the all the top people came over to see me try and talk me out of it, because they wanted to have me extend The Apprentice was doing well. I so it was 14 seasons.
It was 12 years. We had won 2 seasons where we had a double, which rarely happens. It was just a hot show. And, I said, you know, I wanna do this. What happened is, previously, like, 3 years, 4 years before that, they did a poll.
They had Mitt Romney, and somehow they put me in a poll, and I blew everybody away. I blew him away, which isn't that hard, frankly. But I blew everybody away, and I said, that's interesting, because I never really gave it that much real thought. I thought about it, but never real thought. But I saw these polls were very good.
And so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with The Apprentice. Plus, I was building 2 big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly. And it was one of those things. The kids were just sort of getting involved. They're very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on.
So I did that. I got them done. I had some very good successes. And I came on, and, then I thought about it for the next one after the Romney disaster. And I ran and I won against Hillary.
It was quite an experience, but it was a different life because, you're right, The View. I was on The View many, many times, and, they loved me.
Speaker 1: Just the way people would talk. I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that, but the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were gonna be president. It was very coordinated. And some people are catching on to that now. There's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like Elon Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different very intelligent people.
Speaker 0: And they support me. Bill Ackman supports me. He's been very supportive too.
Speaker 1: What this is what I wanted to ask you. What was it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's gonna be like when you actually get into office. What was the what did you think
Speaker 0: it was gonna be like? Office or when I decided to run, Steve?
Speaker 1: No. When you got in.
Speaker 0: Oh, when I was in When I was in and won and was in the White House, essentially. Well, first of all, it was very surreal. Oh, no. It's very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn't surreal.
That should have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying you were hit all over the place because there was so much blood from the ear. You would know that better than anyone.
When they get the ear torn up
Speaker 1: Yours bleed a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Bleed. Anyway so and and I was thinking the other day, when when that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I said I wasn't hit anywhere. With the with the presidency, it was a very surreal experience.
Okay?
Speaker 1: And what's day 1 like? You win?
Speaker 0: Yeah. You get inaugurated?
Speaker 1: Holy shit on the president.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue. I just built a building on Pennsylvania. You know, the hotel, the old post office it was.
We called it Trump National hotel. And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria, and it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down. I'm passing the hotel. You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military.
You know, it was a major thing. I got off, really, the first time I used Air Force 1, landed, and were coming down, and they were it was very beaut I mean, it was incredible. And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction. Normally, you're used to going one way, and you all of a sudden, you're going the other way. The street was loaded up.
And I wanted to go out, and I wanted to wave to everybody, but that wasn't smart. You know, they can a little bit dangerous. Right? I mean, when you watch, like, Kennedy and some others. Right?
But I really felt I I don't know. The love was so crazy. And so I did get out of the car for a brief you know, just for a very short walk. I thought it was very important to do. And Melania got out with her beautiful dress on that became sort of a staple.
It was, people loved it and barren and were walking down the street. But where it really got amazing, we get to the White House, and now it's a little bit, little bit before dark. Beautiful. And we went up to the president's, quarters. They call them the presidential quarters.
And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway. I you know, it's funny. Nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside. You know, you think it's gonna be everything's gonna be all metal doors and stuff. It's not.
It's so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury. The hallway is, like, 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are, you know, every it's so beautiful. But I was standing there, and I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom.
I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom. I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife. I said, Do you believe it? This is the Lincoln bedroom.
I mean, it was like it was it was amazing. Because it's look, if you love the country, but here you are, the Lincoln bedroom. And the bed, you know, he was very tall. He was 6 foot 6, which then would be like like Barron. Right.
Would be like Barron Trump. He's 69. But 6 foot 6, he was very tall. Then on top of that, he wore There
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 0: He wore that. Yeah. There it is. It's a long bed, elongated bed. And because very you know, people were shorter than you see some of the, chairs are very, very low to the ground, actually.
But he had the long bed, and they had, you had the Gettysburg address right on that right under that. You can't see it here, but right there, the original version of the Gettysburg address. And this is the original. And I'm looking, and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this?
Because I was never a first of all, even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician. It just I sort of just started. Right? Right. And all of a sudden, I'm standing in the White House.
And it was, very, very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than it actually is. You know, to me, when I looked at the bed and the bed, you could see it was a little bit longer. It had to be a little bit longer. He lost his son.
And they suffered the 2 of them suffered from melancholia. They didn't call it depression. They called it melancholia, and they suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy, and she was a very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was Tad.
Tad. And, it was, just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture. I mean, you can't see the details there. A little tiny everything the web was a little tiny picture of Tad, who he lost, and it was devastating. And he was, you know, he was, look.
He was in a war. He was he was and he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert e Lee. Robert e Lee won, like, 13 battles in a row, and he was getting, like, a phobia, like a fighter. You know, a Mhmm. Not about the fight stuff, but, like, I went to a UFC fight, and it was a champion who was 14 and 1 about a year ago.
You would know the names. 14 and 1. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy, but the guy that he was fighting was, like, almost just an average fighter. He lost numerous times, but he beat this one guy. So I said, okay.
Speaker 1: I really don't know who you're talking about. I'm trying to
Speaker 0: I I will figure it out.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: But about a year ago but the point is that he lost he wasn't nearly the fighters. But the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the only guy that beat the the champ, like, 5 years before. And they said, I'll take the guy that won the other fight. And that's what happened.
You beat him a second time.
Speaker 1: Sometimes psychological advantage.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's a crazy thing. Lincoln had a I don't know. I've never read this. I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with with the whole life of the White House.
But Lincoln had, the yips about, in a way, as the golfers would say. He had a phobia about Robert E. Lee. He said, I can't beat Robert E. Lee because Robert E.
Lee won many battles in a row. He was just beating the hell out of you know, they tried to get Robert e Lee to be on the North, but he said, no. I have to be with my state. You know, the state was his whole thing. And and he went to the South.
And he was, I've had generals tell me we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record time. It was supposed to take years, and we did it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These are tough guys.
These are not woke guys. But their favorite general, in terms of genius, was Robert E. Lee. In terms of what
Speaker 1: You mean?
Speaker 0: Strateg strategically. He took a war that should have been over in a few days, and it was, you know, years of hell, a vicious war. And, so here I am standing there, and, again, I had never really done this before. You know, I ran. I ran a number of months before I won.
I probably, I guess if you figured max it out, it would be a year, something like that. So I had never run for office. And I did well. I mean, I I went into debates. We had 18 people, including me, and then slowly but surely, they started to disappear.
We had debates, good debates.
Speaker 1: Everyone's aware of all this stuff, but what I wanna get to is, like, what was the experience once you got inside? It was just What did you think it was gonna be like in terms of, like, your ability to govern? Yeah. Like, this is your first experience governing anything. You never been a governor.
You never been a mayor. Yep.
Speaker 0: Private private stuff. Business.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But now all of a sudden, you're inside the White House.
Speaker 0: The biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed it was really a hallowed place to me. It was Surreal. Beyond. To me, that's that was the experience. It was a surreal experience.
And then with time, that wears off. With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay. And Right. I was doing a lot of I was I had 2 things that I ain't really focused on, governing the country and, survival. Because from the moment I won, before I got to office, all of a sudden, it I mean, they came down.
I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way. And and you see that. I mean, you see where in the Washington Post very early on, they said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts. And it did. I mean, it literally started from the beginning.
So I had survival and run the nation. I had a I had a combination. Most people don't have the survival. They get in. What what
Speaker 1: did you expect, though, in terms of, like, once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people? Like, how many appointments did you have to make?
Speaker 0: We have actually well, actually, 10,000, appointments. Now they're different. You know, you have big ones, and then they appoint Right. A 100 people and 200 people. But the president really is is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments.
So you'll appoint a secretary of state, and he will he or she will appoint a lot of people. So it's a lot. But in terms of major ones, you probably have, like, a 100, but they're big ones, treasury, state, military.
Speaker 1: And how did you know who to appoint?
Speaker 0: Well, I I didn't. I had no experience. You have to understand. So I was there 17 times in Washington, and I never stayed over. According to the press, which I think is probably right, over the years, I was only there 17 times.
I never stayed over. So now I'm sitting there. I'm saying, this place is gorgeous, but, you know, I don't know anybody. It's like you. You you know, you go to certain areas.
In other areas, they may be great. Washington was great. Washington's not so great right now. They're gonna we gotta fix it. We gotta make it better.
A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We're gonna make it great. We're gonna make it better. We're gonna bring it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy.
I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder, and I I built buildings in New York. And I knew that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington world too well. And all of a sudden, you're supposed to be appointing top people. So
Speaker 1: What did you think it was going to be like? Versa, like, did you have any ideas of what it was gonna be like? And what was different?
Speaker 0: Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of of a donor. I was a donor. You know, I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: politics. Democrats. Right?
Speaker 0: Both, really. Pretty much both. I actually have pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young. You were
Speaker 1: a Democrat until, like, what year?
Speaker 0: I was a Democrat. I could get you the exact, but the the early nineties, the early nineties, I switched over eventually. Actually, they had a reform party. I was thinking about doing that for a little while, but then, fortunately, I didn't because it's very hard. You know, it's a 2 party system.
And anytime you hear 3rd party I know you like RFK Jr, and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
Speaker 1: I do, but I thought that being an independent was nonsense.
Speaker 0: It doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not gonna get congress. In other words Right. You need now to say, okay. Now I'll get half of congress that's never gonna vote for you.
So even if you got there, which is very hard, and but and I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he's now with us. But it it it doesn't it's real it's pure and simple. It's a 2 party system. Right. And, somebody I won't mention his name, but somebody spent $250,000,000 trying to get the nomination as a reform party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere.
You get eaten you just get eaten. The system eats you alive. Right. So so it was it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington, but was new to politics. So in in the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you've had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals.
General Eisenhower or General Washington. Right? General George Washington. You had generals. So it's 8% gen no admirals.
8% generals and 92% politicians. You know, they're politicians and they go on. So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office. They were all like Ronald Reagan was really he was a movie actor, and then he but he became the governor of California for, I think, two terms, and then he ran. So you'd never had a thing like this.
But I you know, in in terms of me, and some sometimes I use it as an excuse, and I don't like having excuses, actually, but I use it as an excuse. I had to rely on people that I respected or liked but that I didn't know that well because I didn't know them that well. Some of those people I campaigned against, because, you know, when you have 18 people we had mostly politicians running in the election, you know, running in the primaries, and they got knocked out 1 by 1, but I got to like some of them. Some of them I didn't like at all, and I don't like them now. And I rely on them, and I'd rely on other people.
So all of a sudden, people would come in. I'd like to recommend so and so to be secretary of state, and I'd have 3, 4 people recommend one thing I can tell you, everybody wants the position.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 0: No. No. But sometimes they'll hear, a lot of people don't wanna work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with, etcetera. Let me tell you. Everybody wants to be any one of these positions.
They die for it. Of course. Now they don't wanna be known. I mean, there's a particular guy in, New York, primarily. Very big.
Very big. Very successful. Very, very strong. Very political, although he's not a politician. He'd give anything to be secretary of state.
But if they ask him, no. I don't think I would do it. But in the meantime, begging for it. Okay? Begging.
They all I
Speaker 1: believe you.
Speaker 0: Everybody look. Everybody wants it.
Speaker 1: But my but my what
Speaker 0: I wanna get way, no matter what you do, every but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician's been basically vetted for years. Right. You pick a business guy, and they've never been vetted at all, and they're, you know, the head of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted. You know nothing about his personal life. You know nothing about where he's been.
When you put him in, it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden, they get checked up, and you hear things that you say, wow. This is not gonna work out too well. So it's very dangerous. Picking picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.
Speaker 1: So you're kinda stuck in a position we have to pick established people.
Speaker 0: And then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated
Speaker 1: into the system. And
Speaker 0: stiffs in many cases. Stiffs. They're survivors. I find that you know?
Speaker 1: What do you mean by stiffs? When you say stiffs
Speaker 0: Stiff, they don't they don't have nothing. They have nothing. Or they're smart and survive. One one little thing. So there was a congressman years before I ran, and I was very close to him.
And I needed a license on something, and he was very important in getting the license. But it was a little bit controversial, the license that this particular thing that was being licensed. But I was close to this guy and helped him and everything else. And I went to him. I said, I'd like to have your help.
And, he said, let me take a look at it. I said, oh, that's not too good, but I really hope you can help. Anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time, and ultimately didn't do it. And I said, you are a stiff you could have done this thing so easy, etcetera. But it was controversial.
He was in congress for many years, like 28 years. And, you know, there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years, you gotta be sort of smart. Right. You know, you have all the scandals, all and I realized he was a survivor.
Speaker 1: And so they never do anything controversial? They never take any chances or speak their opinion that's outside of it?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. And yet, I don't disrespect him for it. So I actually respected the guy more and aware in a certain way. I said because
Speaker 1: he did survive.
Speaker 0: You know what? He's been there, like, for 28 years, and he made it through. A lot of people don't make it through.
Speaker 1: It's a good way for non exceptional people to survive.
Speaker 0: Well, it is. Yeah. I mean, it certainly is.
Speaker 1: So you're you're in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have to make. Like so you're getting advice from people. And at at what point in time did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices? Like, some of these people I shouldn't have had in there.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. I think so the one question that you'll ask me that I think you'll ask me that seem people seem to ask, and I always come up with the same answer, if I I the one mistake. Because I did I had a lot of success. Great economy. Great everything.
Everything was great. We we the military, we rebuilt it. Biggest tax cuts in history. All this we did we had a great presidency. 3 Supreme Court justices.
Most people get none. You know, you pick them young. This way, they're there for 50 years. Right? So, you know, even if a president is there for 8 years, oftentimes, they never have a chance.
I had 3. It was sort of the luck of the draw. But, I I will say that it always comes back to the same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people I picked some great people, you know, but you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked.
I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked. And Neocons? Yeah. Neocons or bad people or disloyal people or
Speaker 1: People that were just
Speaker 0: bad bad bad bad
Speaker 1: bad bad bad advice.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, look. I mean, you're reading about him a little bit today. A guy like Kelly, who is a bully a bully, but a weak a weak person. You know?
You know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. Yeah. But, you know, he's bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You know John Bolton?
A friend of mine called called me up. I was picking Bolton. He's a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas.
1 of the the he's a great card player. He doesn't play cards, but he's a great you know, he's just a natural got poker sense. Right? You know, good old poker sense. And Phil Ruffin is is a very, very wise kind of a guy and very one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people.
So it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton. He called up. He said, don't pick him. Why? He's a bad guy.
I've no. He wasn't in politics at all. He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy. He's just it always works out bad with that guy.
And I said, oh, man. I wish you'd told me this 2 weeks. I already hired him. You know, he's he's here. And and he was right.
But, but he was good in a certain way. He's a nut job. And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh, man. Trump's gonna go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.
They should've never done it. I used to say it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity than other people, and I didn't it wasn't like I was trying. In fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me what happened.
Speaker 1: Tell you. You said a lot of wild shit.
Speaker 0: Maybe. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: You said a lot of wild shit, and then CNN, in their all their brilliance, by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him. That's really him. When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are. You have no idea who they are.
It's very difficult to know. You see them in conversations. They have these preplanned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed.
You never get to the meat of it. What the one of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball. Like, you get out and you do these huge events, and you're just talking, and you're making we would we've highlighted you on the show many times where you when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around, he doesn't know what he's doing. It's funny. It's it's
Speaker 0: stand up. It's funny stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's like you and you're making fun of Elon one time. You're doing an Elon impression. It's great. You you have, like, comedic instincts. Like, when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail.
Like, that's that's great timing.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like, no one had done that. And I think
Speaker 0: funny. You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business. This is a very dangerous business, first of all. It's a very tough business. When It's the most dangerous business.
Well, for for a job?
Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop Yeah. It's the most dangerous
Speaker 0: business because for being president is the most dangerous
Speaker 1: Especially you. I mean, we we you haven't even got to the election. There's been 2 assassination attempts, and they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 0: They'd rather not talk about them.
Speaker 1: Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was attacks on if Biden got shot in the ear, we would've never heard the end of it.
Speaker 0: But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents. If you take a look at what's happened look. I'm for having countries pay us 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000,000, even dollars. I took in 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars from China. Nobody took in 10¢, not one other president.
I do things that make it I mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular. I just do what's right. And when you do that, you know, you're more look at look at Iran. Iran we would have never had the attack on Israel at all. Iran was broke.
I told China, if you buy, you can't do business in the United States under any I was gonna we're gonna go cold turkey with China. Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway. But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you're not doing business. I said that to many countries. Iran was broke.
They had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money. But I make myself you know, I mean, I understand what I'm doing. You make yourself a target, and it's a very dangerous business.
But if you just look at statistically so I I said I said I think I don't know if it's right, but 1 tenth of 1% for a race car driver. Yeah. It's pretty dangerous business. Right? Yeah.
1 tenth of 1% for a bull rider. I I tell you, to me, I always to death. These guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. It's worse. Yeah.
These guys that you see these big monster bulls, and you see it in slow motion where the the foot is, like, you know, an inch away from the head if it hits them, the guy's gun. But they die. You know, they die.
Speaker 1: So 1 tenth of 1% die. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 0: Yeah. One tenth of 1% die. Right. And they certainly get hurt badly. Really, I mean, they can't walk after a certain period of time.
But but with a president, if you look at
Speaker 1: The amount of assassination attempts.
Speaker 0: And and attempts too. And attempts. No. It's a very dangerous position. I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it.
I you know, you don't you don't tend to I don't
Speaker 1: just assume because people loved you on The Apprentice, they were gonna love you as a president?
Speaker 0: It would be so easy. You know, it's very easy to say.
Speaker 1: Would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did, If they didn't conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like, Kamala was talking about you and Hitler. You're they're gonna take what you said about Robert e Lee. Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South one.
Speaker 0: That's right. He loves Robert e
Speaker 1: They love to take things out of context and distort things.
Speaker 0: But They they don't even have to take them out. They make them up entirely. Okay? They do that too. But, you know, it's interesting when you mentioned the, the I was very popular, and, and all those people loved me.
I mean, this, some of these these women, they're so they're so stupid. And, Joy, she would every time she'd see me, I like, I'd be in the theater or something. It's just, you have to be on the show again. Come on. Come on.
Let's go. We have to
Speaker 1: She loved you.
Speaker 0: She loved me.
Speaker 1: That episode where where By
Speaker 0: the way, we'll be
Speaker 1: watch that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like I said, we don't wanna get a copyright strike, so we're not gonna put it up. But It's okay. If you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative universe.
And it's only
Speaker 0: But whoopie love you.
Speaker 1: 9 years ago
Speaker 0: Whoopie love you. Blocked you. Gives you a hug and a kiss. And how about that other one, the new one on there? The, the one from my administration.
She writes me a letter. You're the greatest president. She leaves. You know, she worked as, like as an assistant press secretary. I hardly knew her.
But she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous letter. What's her name? She was, I don't even know. You know, she anyway, she was in the administration. She's on now currently.
Sits on the far right hand side, whatever the hell her name is. And and she writes a letter, the most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper, he's a consequential, he was the greatest president, blah, blah, blah. Then all of a sudden, she goes into view. She's not hitting the hell out of me because they won't hire her unless I've had many people go on CNN, and they called and said, I don't know what to do.
What they wanna pay me a lot, but I have to be negative on you. I said, be negative. That's okay. There are guys on, like, CNN. They won't hire them.
Sean Duffy is a, you know, congressman, and he retired. He got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive about Trump. So they kept him, but they would never put him on. I mean, I respect what he did. He could've gotten, you know, negative.
I tell people, go negative. You know? Let my friends make the money. Well, it's just It's so crooked. The press is so crooked.
Speaker 1: It's crooked, but it's also they're diminishing themselves. They're they they are they're killing all their credibility, and it's opening up credibility to independent media. All these The
Speaker 0: worst I've ever seen, though, and I've seen the worst. I mean, I've I've been a part of it. I've been I've seen the worst. Kamala goes on 60 minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad.
And 60 Minutes took the answer out. They took the whole and they put another answer in.
Speaker 1: They edited it. Deceptively.
Speaker 0: Which didn't make sense either, but it was better. They took the well, it wasn't editing. It was fraud.
Speaker 1: It was Yeah.
Speaker 0: This was not editing. You know, editing is where I'll give an answer, and they'll take a couple of words and change around, or they might even take a sentence or 2 off, which is very bad. But that's it's sort of bad. You know, I'd give an answer which was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give long the weave.
You know, I like to give long Yeah.
Speaker 1: You like to weave things in?
Speaker 0: But when you do the weaves and you have to be very smart to do weaves. When you do the weave look at this just in this one thing. We're talking about little pieces around here, but it always ends up home. No. No.
It comes back home Yeah. For the right people for the wrong people. It doesn't come back home when they end up in the wilderness. Right? But but they can take my answer.
And you know what? They may take a little piece of it out or something, and they use the term, yes. We want to save time. Well, it's not but I've never heard. I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history, what happened to c n CBS.
So you have CBS 60 minutes. That's a news program. It's not an entertainment program. It's under their news. It's the head of their news thing.
She gives an answer that was that shows that she's essentially incompetent, and they took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that for me?
Speaker 1: Show it if you want people to see it. Can we
Speaker 0: show it? No? Sure.
Speaker 1: We get in trouble? We'll get copyright strike? Reason. Okay.
Speaker 0: I'll indemnity I'll indemnity by you.
Speaker 1: But it's it's drastic. But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially. It was like a preview.
Speaker 0: They somebody made a big mistake.
Speaker 1: Somebody put that preview out there. Put the preview out. Exactly.
Speaker 0: And then the bosses did this or that, and then all of a sudden they said, we got a problem.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And then
Speaker 0: They got caught by mistake.
Speaker 1: Well But don't you
Speaker 0: think that's a big to me and don't forget, this is election interference and fraud. And it's 60 minutes. It's their news division. So they give It's a
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 0: They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should pay a fortune. They're worth a fortune. They give them out for free because they're using the public airwaves. With cable, you don't have that.
Cable's different. But, you know, it it's just a different deal. But with the networks, they give those license they're worth 1,000,000,000 of dollars. They give them out free. But you have to be honest and all.
That was bad. I think that David Muir and that woman that was aside I never even heard of her, but they kept interrupting me. It was like I said, how many people am I debating here? I I got this one and I got you 2, but he went after me 11 different times. You know, it's interesting.
I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like the rest of them. You know?
Speaker 1: Well, that's his job, unfortunately. And I'm I'm sure No. Not when they were wrong. You're right. Well, the problem was they fact checked you and they didn't fact check her.
And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there is there are no troops right now deployed in war zones.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of
Speaker 0: Too many.
Speaker 1: Troops that are deployed. Thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed.
Speaker 0: Stupidly deployed.
Speaker 1: But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's gonna be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody.
Speaker 0: So if someone says what
Speaker 1: they should thought there was no Right. Which is also a problem. So it's one of 2 things. It's either it was not true. It was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite.
It was ignorance, which is also terrible.
Speaker 0: Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no. No. Crime has gone down. I said, where did you hear that one? Crime has gone down.
I mean, I'm debating with this guy, but I've had that.
Speaker 1: Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed that crime had gone up substantially.
Speaker 0: And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some of the worst places. They didn't include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right. But I haven't got You turned out to be right,
Speaker 1: but then there's another problem. Unreported crime is way up because people have lost look. The morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: These the morale is for cops. It's fucking horrible.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's the dumbest idea of all time. So But what they've done is they've they they've made these cops feel terrible, the the like, good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It's like everybody else.
But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house Right. You say carpenters fucking suck, but they don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the key thing with cops, but the point is, like, they they did all of these things in this very foolish way.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so, subsequently, what happens is a lot of crime is unreported. A lot of crime like, you call the cops, they're too busy, they can't even get to you. Or your house got broken into? Sorry.
You know? You it doesn't even make a report. There's a lot of people that that they just give up.
Speaker 0: It's so sad what's happened, and I'll tell you what. I go to police funerals, and we went to 1 in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island. Very big deal. It's so dangerous.
People don't realize. The car, dark windows, pull over. He's a gentleman. Please pull over. Door opens.
Guy comes out firing. Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not. They can't, you know, pull it out.
Speaker 1: Time. Yeah.
Speaker 0: They still wouldn't have time.
Speaker 1: It's every cop's worst nightmare.
Speaker 0: It they open a door, and he was killed, and his partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don't have I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a second to think, and it is such a dangerous job. That in particular think of it. You go up to a car.
You don't know who's sitting there with a gun. And if they have a gun, you really don't have a chance. You're not allowed to have your gun out, by the way. Yep. They have very strict rules.
So number 1, they're in it. But even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and a guy and bullets start firing out, you know. And especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows. It is such a dangerous, profession, and it's very hard to get cops now because they they're not given any backup. And you're right.
You can you know, they have, like, an eighth of a second to make a decision that's gonna change their life. If they make the wrong decision, they're gonna end up on the front page of every newspaper in in the country, and they're gonna lose their house and their pension and their their job, and their wife is gonna be gone, and everything's gonna be gone.
Speaker 1: And there here's another thing that people don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. Yeah. It's These guys are seeing people shot all the time.
Yep. You know? I I I've talked to a ton of cops about it, and, you know, a lot of cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
Speaker 0: A lot of cops do back their dignity. We have to we can't we just have to give it back. You said it so good. You you never hear so anybody say that. You're never gonna have it perfect.
You're gonna have a bad apple.
Speaker 1: In everything. In every profession.
Speaker 0: But every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive publicity, and it it taints everybody else.
Speaker 1: But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say defund the police, get rid of the police. You know, even Kamala Harris was a part of that. That it's a it's a very stupid way to look
Speaker 0: at it. What you should do is fund the police. You should have
Speaker 1: better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated. You do you should have some something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.
Speaker 0: Go ahead. She was, a big part of defund the police. That was a big thing for her, defund the police. Always defund the police.
Speaker 1: Well, it was it's a political idea. Right?
Speaker 0: Any anybody with that political thought Yeah. I don't think should be running for president, and I think people are getting wise to it. You know, we're doing pretty well now. I don't know. Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry about that.
I was wrong, but we're leading everything. And I think we're gonna have a very good election. But I I tell people because people are starting to get to know her. But she was defund the police. She was all these transgender operations.
You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change.
Speaker 1: Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants.
Speaker 0: That's right. In detention.
Speaker 1: That is the wildest thing.
Speaker 0: But she
Speaker 1: was Is that the biggest problem you have? You just walked here for Guatemala. You need to become a girl.
Speaker 0: But she was in favor of it. Yes. So so think of it. She was now she changed. She changed 15 policies.
In fact, I'm gonna send her a MAGA cap.
Speaker 1: She stole your idea about no tax for tips.
Speaker 0: I I came up with this idea that, honestly, nobody ever heard of. And all now it took her 2 months, but you know what? All of a sudden It caught fire. And she just put it into a little speech. Yeah.
Well If you can't talk to me about that. I think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good one for us. But, no. We have a lot of good issues.
You know, we had the the other day think of how simple some of these things are. We're trying to get cars built in the United States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster. They have a huge factory, huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico.
Make cars, sell them in the United States, put everybody out of business. Right? Here we go again. I said, if that plant is there when I'm president, I will put 100 or 200 percent tariffs on every car. They'll be unsaleable in the United States.
And they just announced they're not gonna build the plant because they think I'm gonna win. Think of it. They're not gonna build the plant. This was the biggest plant in the world. It would've more than all of Michigan makes.
That's how big. You know, this is what we're getting to. And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I'm gonna tax those cars at the rate of a 100 or 200 percent apiece so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States. They just announced they're not gonna build a plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I read this.
Speaker 0: I did a big favor for our country by doing that, and I'm not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple of weeks, in the dictionary today, and any is the word tariff. It's more beautiful than love. It's more beautiful than anything. It's the most beautiful word.
This country can become rich with the use the proper use of tariffs. It'll keep Did you just
Speaker 1: float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
Speaker 0: Well Okay.
Speaker 1: Were you serious about that?
Speaker 0: Our yeah. Sure. Why not? Because we ready? Our country was the richest in the relatively, in the 18 eighties 18 nineties.
A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His his language was really beautiful. We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs, and take our factories, and take our workers, and take our families, unless they pay a big price, and the big price is tariffs.
And he'd speak like that, but he was right. And then around in the early 1900, they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax. And you know why? Because countries were putting a lot of pressure on America. We don't wanna pay tariffs.
Please don't you you know, they believe me. They control our politicians. If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now but we had a commission meeting in the, 8 I think it was 18/87. Think of this problem. We were so rich.
We had so much money. We didn't know what to do. So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs. And these sole purposes, what to do with all the money we had. We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs.
And China does it. That's what China did. If you wanna open a factory and sell cars if you build a factory here or have a factory they don't take our cars. They they wouldn't take our cars. But if you build a plant in China, you can do that.
Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a great guy. I think you're a fan of Elon. He is from a different planet.
He's the greatest guy. That rocket coming in. Yeah. I'm I'm I told this story once or twice, so you may have heard it. Because his speeches have been good.
Did you see the one last night? Yeah. 29,000 people. That was a
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And the one the night before was the same thing. We are we are rocking and rolling. But but Elon and I'm talking to this very important guy. I said, wait a minute. I'm looking at something.
The television's unmuted. Right? And I see this rocket. It's all brown from the heat. You know, it cooks Uh-huh.
10000 degrees pouring down at 1,000 of miles an hour. And I see this thing. You know, it's like a 20 story building.
Speaker 1: And it catches
Speaker 0: And I say to this guy, he's an important guy. Wait a minute. Let me just put you down. Hold on. I gotta see this.
And I see this, and and it's gonna crash. I say, it's gonna crash into the gantry. They call it a gantry. I said, oh, man. That's gonna be a disaster because it's starting to get very close.
And then all of a sudden, you see the flames in about a and it boom. And then you see the 2 arms grab it. Crazy. And I forgot the guy. I had him on the phone.
I forgot. No. I said, the hell with it. No. I called Elon.
I said, was that you? He said, that was me. And I said, who else can do that? He said, nobody. Russia can't do it.
The United States, nobody can do it. You know, I set up Space Force. That was me. And that's the first time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force. And that's gonna be one of our most important things.
But think of what Elon does. And he did one other thing that I never heard of it. It's, Starlink. I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places. Right there I followed it right down.
And they had no communication. The polls were all knocked down. Every and one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor? Do you know Elon Musk? Yes.
He endorsed me. By the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement too. This the tough he said the country's gonna fail. You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala. Kamala.
You're not a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you. I know him better than his. You know what?
Without speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife. I have watched you for so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a Khabib person, but you're not a Kamala person. No.
Nobody's gonna know who Khabib is, but he was he was not he was not bad. Right? That guy Oh, he was phenomenal. But that's you have kind of Your
Speaker 1: weave is getting wide. We're getting wide with this.
Speaker 0: My weave but isn't this I
Speaker 1: wanna go back to tariffs.
Speaker 0: But but wait. Once I before we finish with tariffs, I just so they said they said, could you get him? We need Starlink. And I call Elon. He got it for him so fast.
Saved so many lives. And I said, how was it? They said, better than the wires. You know? They couldn't put them in.
They were all they were all gone. So getting
Speaker 1: that fixed recently in Utah, in the mountains. Did you
Speaker 0: find it good?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of a like a iPad. You just set it down on the ground. You get high speed Internet. It's incredible.
Speaker 0: We're spending just to show you, we're spending a $1,000,000,000,000 to get cables all over the country. Right? Up to upstate areas where you have, like, 2 farms, and they're spending 1,000,000 of dollars to have
Speaker 1: Well, talk about the mortgages for nothing. Dollars that was wasted on this Internet access program that you know they didn't get anybody. They haven't hooked up they
Speaker 0: haven't hooked up one person.
Speaker 1: Not one person. They spent $42,000,000,000. They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody with that kind of money.
Speaker 0: For almost nothing
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: For a monthly charge.
Speaker 1: And it would have been incredible.
Speaker 0: And he and he
Speaker 1: wanted to Internet everywhere you wanna go.
Speaker 0: And he wanted to do that. And he wanted to do it. How about this? They they built, the charger stations. Right?
Uh-huh. In the Midwest Midwest, they built 8 of them. They cost $9,000,000,000. That's like a gas pump. Right?
They built 9 gas pumps, except electricity comes out. They spent $9,000,000,000. 3 of them don't work. The whole thing there's so much waste. I could I could sit here and tell you about things that that there's so much waste, abuse, and fraud.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's yeah. I'm I'm sure. I mean, I think everybody's aware of that now.
Speaker 0: Let's get back to tariffs.
Speaker 1: When when you're talking about one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increased the deficit. So was the what was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was gonna increase the deficit, by a substantial amount?
Speaker 0: Okay. We were ready to rock. It was all you know, I had a bad system. We had a horrible tax policy. I made it great with a much lower tax rate.
So I took it from almost 40% down to 21%. Now I'm bringing it from 21 down to 15, but only if you make your product in the United States, which is great. People call me. They said, what a great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before.
I don't care if they make the product in Japan. Why should I give up? So it's a 21. That at 21, in the 1st year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40. Think of that.
It inspired now we had other things too. We we were able to get people to bring back their money. You couldn't you couldn't bring back your money. If you had money in Europe, like Apple. Apple had many 1,000,000,000 of dollars outside.
They couldn't bring it. There was no way to bring it back in, the bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing. And also, the tax was too high. You know, they wanted, like, half of it or something. Nobody's gonna do that.
So they they leave their money in Japan and and they spend their money there. That was part of what I did. The money came pouring back in. Apple took in 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars. They brought it back from overseas.
They brought it in.
Speaker 1: So how does the deficit increase because
Speaker 0: of that? So what happened is this. We were ready to rock and roll, and then we had the COVID thing, and we had to focus on that. And if we didn't give some businesses a hand, they would have all you would have had a depression like in 1929. But we were ready to start.
We were going to we would have very shortly been paying off debt. You know, we have $35,000,000,000,000 in debt. And I'll never forget it. We were it was talking about, from, you know, the standpoint of being in office. I'm in the Oval Office, and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio, the 2 very good pollsters.
Probably, I don't know. I would say the 2 best. Who knows? But very good pollsters. And we're starting to think about running for a second term.
And we had the greatest economy in history. Never has there been an economy like
Speaker 1: And you attribute that to lowering tax a lot of tariffs?
Speaker 0: 2 things. And also I cut regulations more than anybody else. And if I I asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies, let's say, so if you had your choice, you've had it now for a long time, what's more important to you? The tax cuts? You paid less tax.
Or the regulation cuts? Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would think that? Right? Because you don't equate it to dollars, but it actually is more dollars.
We had it going, and then we just had to focus on something else. But they were sitting there. These 2 these 2 pollsters were sitting there, and they said, sir, if George Washington came back and Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz how bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you. You have a and I'll never forget it.
The following day, they said something's happening in China, sir. Could we meet? I said, What's happening? People are dying. And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way.
There are pictures with little lines, their body bags, all around the Wuhan lab. And I always said that from the beginning, Joe. It was you know, they tried to say first, they said it was France, and, you know, they blamed everybody. Right. But then they say it was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away.
So we got hit with that. And despite that, we had the best economy. And when I gave it over, the stock market was higher than it was pre COVID. I mean, nobody could even believe it. But we saved it, and we were helping businesses.
They were dying. You know? They were
Speaker 1: So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.
Speaker 0: And that was the strategy. COVID, we would have been paying off debt, and we would have had and don't forget, by growth, the word growth is actually more important in a way, because you could have the same debt. But if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden, you're under levered. But still, we should pay off debt. You know, if you view this, $35,000,000,000,000 right now, it's a lot.
But if you look at the asset value, if you looked at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground. We have water. We have mountains. We have the I mean, the assets are so enormous. But regardless of that, we've got 35,000,000,000,000 in debt.
We should pay it off. And we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further given further tax reductions. I wanna get it down to 15%. We're gonna do more business, but when you get hit with the COVID, everything stops, and you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses were dying.
I mean, they were just dying. This whole place this country was gonna die.
Speaker 1: Are there influences, outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frac and and do those sort of things? Outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course. No.
Speaker 0: I I that is
Speaker 1: But are there other influences that maybe over accentuate or over exaggerate these environmental effects? Are are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. So the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you do everything, it's it's almost it's becoming impossible.
But they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything. And sometimes I say you know, I look at some of the I I know the environmental stuff better than because I had to build buildings in New York. I had to build I had to do environmental impact studies. And I would see some of these guys that I'd hire for a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through the process. And they'd be up in Albany.
That's the capital of New York. And they're up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they get paid more money. In other words, I I had one guy, highly recommended all you know, I was good at getting permits. I was one of the kings of I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was always horrible.
They could slow a project down 10 years, 15 years. I had a project in Louisiana built, big LNG plant. It was, for 14 years, it was gonna cost 18,000,000 $18,000,000,000. One of the biggest like the Empire State Building laying down on its side times 4. Massive in the coast on the Gulf Coast.
And they said, sir, they're gonna give it up. I said, that's they shouldn't give it up. What's the problem? They can't get their environmental they had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling. And they said there was one mistake on one little line.
They wanted to do it all over again. It's not gonna happen. And I got them their permit instantly, and they built the plant. It's massive.
Speaker 1: So when you're saying that so there's there's people that are making money by making it difficult. Yeah. Are you talking about lawyers?
Speaker 0: No. I'm just well, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process. Absolutely. And how do
Speaker 0: they profit? Process worse. How do they profit? Probably do the same thing about with them, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: That's best
Speaker 0: to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: How do they do that? How do they make it They
Speaker 0: go let's say New York. They go to Albany Okay. And they convince people that, if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that's this big and, in theory, valueless, that it's a rare plant, and you cannot ever even touch it. You can't go near it. You can't put a building on it.
You can't do anything. Or there's a little puddle, and they call it a lake. And you have to go by the standards of a lake. I said, no. No.
That's a puddle. Oh, you have no idea? Guys are filling a little puddle. You have no idea what they do. And so but they use it as a way to stop you.
Speaker 1: They use it as a way to stop you and also as the way to generate money. I'm curious how how they're generating money that way, though.
Speaker 0: Well, they get fees.
Speaker 1: They get fees.
Speaker 0: Massive fees. Do you pay these guys?
Speaker 1: People rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place.
Speaker 0: But some of them are just bad guys, and they're trying to make it more and more difficult.
Speaker 1: And they have a lot of power.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I think they maybe had more. They didn't have as much with me because I would get through them. And I understood it. Look.
I've had I've done so many they call it environmental impact study. Mhmm. I did so much to build a building to build a building in New York is very tough. You gotta be very you gotta deal with think of it. Financing, unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental.
Of all of it, to me, the toughest thing was the environmental, because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact study stuff. And and you deal you hire a so called expert. They say, sir, he's the one guy. He can get you through the morass. It's a morass.
It's horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use it all over the country.
Speaker 1: But there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact. Correct? Like, look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating. Yeah.
And you wanna mitigate that as much
Speaker 0: as possible. You do. Look, I I had during our 4 years, we had the cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view it differently. I say air and water.
Remember this. It costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: When Kerry goes to see, President Xi of China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him, But they look at him, oh, yes. Yes. We will do. Oh, yes. Yes.
We're gonna do that. No more coal. No more coal. Just and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next, you know, every they build a coal plant a week. Okay?
Speaker 1: They build a lot of coal plants. We've
Speaker 0: But let me just tell you, though. So here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything, and everything's got the year's gotta be pure. But in 3.8 days, that stuff floating over China is right over the top of us.
Speaker 1: Right. Same thing
Speaker 0: with the oceans. They dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean. If you take a little cork and put it there, in about a week and a half, it'll be in front of Los Angeles. We're picking up their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that.
But in a way, the bigger one is even the air. It's the currents. It's an amazing thing. It's been flowing that way for a 1000000 years, long before
Speaker 1: long before we with the whole world.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. If we We get
Speaker 1: the Sahara dust clouds over here. Absolutely. We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
Speaker 0: But we get the China, you know, they call it the China curse. We get the China curse. They're they're bad, and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with President Xi. We got along very well.
And they treated me better than anybody's ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabia. A number of them. But they laid it out. And I said, this air is good.
Do you know they closed every factory 1 week before I got there from within 200 miles?
Speaker 1: That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. He cleaned
Speaker 0: it up. He cleaned it up. He got rid of all the whole material. In a way. To think.
You know? He cleaned it up, and then it became a pigsty.
Speaker 1: Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean?
Speaker 0: Can you imagine? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Speaker 1: anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem.
Speaker 0: And the day he left Right back to him. Went right back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: But in a way, that was a bad thing that he did because he showed what a disgrace that was. What a disgrace.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing that, like, shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think. A lot of these people that are running these states think. It's it's foolish. Like, you you're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces. There's a an app that you can buy.
There's an app that you can get rather that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco. It's a poo app, and it's everywhere. It's just bump crap everywhere.
Speaker 0: But let let me give you one that you may not know Okay. Which I think you know everything, actually. As a student as a student of yours, but but water. You know in Los Angeles, you can't get proper amounts of water. Right.
And it's unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly Hills, and they're actually thinking about rationing water. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: I can believe it.
Speaker 0: And I was in I was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen. We're driving up a highway, and I say, how come all this land is so barren? It's farmland, and it looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said, but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful.
They said, we have no water. I said, do you have a drought? No. We don't have a drought. I said, why don't you have no water?
Because the water isn't allowed to flow down. It's got a natural flow from Canada all the way up north of water. More water than they could ever use. And in order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.
You gotta see this. We're driving up, and I had never seen it before. It's the most it's like Iowa. It's the most fertile land. Iowa's blessed with great land.
Idaho for a potato. Right? Yeah. But these they're they're just by the way, you know, some land is good for a potato. Some land is good for corn.
It's the craziest thing. I love the farmers. They're great. They're the greatest. And by the way, they're getting killed right now.
Speaker 1: They are?
Speaker 0: They're getting killed because of this stupid administration. But so I see this, and I said, you gotta be kidding. I said, you mean you have water? And I looked at it. It's like a valve in your sink, except it's massive.
The thing's 5 times taller than your ceiling.
Speaker 1: Did you know the center of California was a giant lake?
Speaker 0: They have so much water.
Speaker 1: See what it looks like before they rerouted it?
Speaker 0: Saw that now.
Speaker 1: The center of California, like, was it 200 years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The the center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California.
Speaker 0: They dumped it into the Pacific.
Speaker 1: Who knows what they did? But what whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation they're in now.
Speaker 0: Think of those dry forests that burned down all over the you know, the head of Austria said, you know
Speaker 1: Tulear Lake or Tachi Lake. It's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically, Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of the Mississippi. Show a photo of what it looked like back then.
Speaker 0: That's a great city.
Speaker 1: So that's what it looked like. Look at that image. Now the one go to the one on the third from the right. Yeah. Yeah.
That was an enormous lake in the middle of California. Imagine that.
Speaker 0: That'd be much more valuable property.
Speaker 1: Crazy is that? But how crazy is that?
Speaker 0: That's what
Speaker 1: it looks like. And human beings Yeah. Screwed that up.
Speaker 0: They let it go into the Pacific, and then they
Speaker 1: I don't know what they did. What did they do that why did how did it go missing? They said
Speaker 0: they drained it 83. Yeah. They drained it.
Speaker 1: 19? 1983. Oh my god.
Speaker 0: It went dry a handful of times.
Speaker 1: Oh, went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one.
Speaker 0: But think of it. Big one to go dry. You could have all of the water you need. All of that land would have more water. The whole thing could be like that little patch.
And literally, I'd say I was with Devin Noonan as a congressman and other congressmen when we were going up. I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory, and I did. But I kept saying, look at this land. It's beautiful, but it's so dry. And I thought they were going through, like, a desert, like a drought.
They said, no. We have water, but it gets so I looked into it.
Speaker 1: What is the forest?
Speaker 0: Got it done. I got it done. I could have water for all of that land, water for your forest. You know, your forest are dry as a bone. Yeah.
Okay? Dangerous. That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything. Oh, not really dangerous.
1,000,000,000 of dollars a year they spend on forest fires. And, you know, there's a case with the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forests because you're not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down, after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It's like, you know, like real firewood.
It's bad. You You know, a tree that's up these are all things I learned the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water. It's wet. I went to that the hard they had a couple of horrible forest fires in California, and I went I said, you know, you had a lot of trees standing.
Yes. They were healthy trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat, that you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were gonna be alright because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water. Right? But when they fall Right.
They're like you know, it's like lighting a match. Yeah. And you gotta be able to clean they call it maintain your forest. So I was with the head of Austria. He said, you know, it's a shame.
I see all those forest fires in California, and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid you know, leaves that are sitting there for 5 years and they're We'll
Speaker 1: certainly get rid of the dead fall.
Speaker 0: And get rid of the trees that have fallen and that, you know, or or like, so many things this country by the way, could you rake the whole
Speaker 1: forest though? I don't think you could rake the whole forest.
Speaker 0: No. You could I think you'd
Speaker 1: get rid of the deadfall, but raking all
Speaker 0: the leaves certainly get rid of the dead. Okay? Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's that's the real issue.
Speaker 0: Environmentally, they don't wanna do that. They don't they said, no. No. It's gotta be nature and all this stuff. But in the meantime, this this is exactly Yeah.
But you could have so it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had assigned them. I got it all done. Nobody could believe it. It was all done. I said, I got it.
You got so much water. All you have to do is sign. And that guy didn't wanna sign.
Speaker 1: Did he not wanna sign because that would be a political victory for you?
Speaker 0: No. He didn't no. I don't think so. He, you know, he used to say he's a great president, and we got along we did. We actually got along at that point, but I think somebody said, you just can't continue to call him a great president.
You know, they they do say that, but we had it all done. He didn't sign, and then we got on to other things. And I I every time I go to California, I said, you have so much water. They don't know it. I'm telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water.
Same thing with the electric. They wanna go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend. You know?
Speaker 1: Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not gonna be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California. Like, within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas because the grid couldn't handle it.
Speaker 0: Well, how are you gonna handle it? I will terminate the mandate immediately. Just the mandate. That will be done, I would say, in my first day, maybe 2 days because, you know, it's Let
Speaker 1: me ask you about nuclear. One one of the things that when I've talked to people that, have a real understanding of nuclear power, they what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate. And that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters. The Fukushima, Three
Speaker 0: Mile
Speaker 1: Island, That that these these are old systems and that they could they're much more capable now, and they're capable of making even better systems. But it's a difficult political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl. That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They had the the potential Or
Speaker 0: Fukushima, which is Fukushima. Well, you're not supposed to enter the land for 3000 years if something can express.
Speaker 1: I think it's worse than that. I think that area is, like, gonna be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine. But the the point is they're better at it now Right. And that they could do it now, and you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these one of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing.
Speaker 0: So it's happening? Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is what's happening. So
Speaker 0: it's happening.
Speaker 1: People want to think they're being green, you know, but it's Well,
Speaker 0: if the you look at the way the battery's made. But here's the other thing. We don't have, well, we do, actually. It's being held. You know, we have certain areas where we have great raw earth material, and we're not allowed to use it because of the environment.
And we have areas in California that have incredible raw earth, and they're not allowing and I'm gonna open it up. I'm gonna let them use it.
Speaker 1: But how do you do that? China. How do you do that and protect the environment?
Speaker 0: Because the environment's gonna be protected. You can do it. You can make a lake out of it. Okay? We'll put back a lake.
I mean, something nice about lakes. You can do things magnificently. You just have to do it carefully and responsibly. Absolutely. You have to do it carefully.
But the problem you know, China has all of those areas, most of those areas. And yet, when they say go electric with the cars, China's gonna be the one that gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are gonna be out of business. You're gonna make your electric cars over there. We have a thing called gasoline.
And we have more oil and gas under our feet than any other nation. You know, I had, in Alaska, there's a find. It's called ANWR. I got it approved. Reagan couldn't get it.
Nobody could get it. I got it all done. It was amazing. They were getting ready to start drilling the equivalent, they think, of Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest finds in the world, was all set to go. And Biden comes in.
His one of his first orders were, we're not gonna use it. It would have been so good for the we could have supplied all of Asia with oil and gas. What was the what was the negative? About money. Right.
The negative was, politically, they didn't think it was good for them. That's all.
Speaker 1: That's all it was. So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?
Speaker 0: Taking it from way down deep in the Earth, environmentally would have been fine.
Speaker 1: So it can be done responsibly. Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Oh, otherwise the environment. Well, I think windmills okay. So they talk about wind I think windmills are really disruptive. When you talk about the environment, they kill the birds. You wanna see a bird cemetery?
Go under a windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses. You it's like massive amounts of birds.
Speaker 1: Massive eyesore. I I went to a ranch in South Texas. We had to drive past this enormous windmill farm. It's gross. It's dystopian.
You're you're looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity.
Speaker 0: Most expensive form of electricity is a windmill, and then they start to rust and rot.
Speaker 1: And you have to
Speaker 0: replace them. Abandoned by the people that built them because
Speaker 1: have to get rid of all that material too. When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose. Right? You have to dispose these enormous windmills.
Speaker 0: And how do they dispose of you can't bury them. So I even questioned that, but I'm not gonna get into it. But they say you can't bury the so you have the blades, and you can't bury the blades. You can bury the blades. It's not gonna bother you.
You can bury it. You'll find areas you can bury. But they come up this is what I mean. They come up with this. But the environmentalist dream is windmills everywhere.
You know what happens to them? After 5 years, they start to rot. After 10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned? And they're all different manufacturers in all different companies, and they all I haven't
Speaker 1: seen that.
Speaker 0: It is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard, almost. A graveyard of windmills. It's pollution. It's so bad.
Speaker 1: It's put it is it's no oceans. It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
Speaker 0: How about in New Jersey? Off the coast of New Jersey, they wanna build the people are going crazy not to build them, but we have them. The whales are washing up on shore. Right. So in 50 years, they had one whale come ashore.
Now they had, like, 18 come in the last year.
Speaker 1: What is the what what is happening with the whales? I've read about this.
Speaker 0: Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know, it's a vibration because you have those you know, those things are 50 story buildings, some of them.
Speaker 1: Right. And they're super sensitive to vibrations. Well, they have
Speaker 0: those they you know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing. It's a vibration, and it makes noise. You know what it is? I wanna be a whale psychiatrist.
It drives the whales freaking crazy. Yes. And something happens with them. But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore and, you know, and yet the environment
Speaker 1: Immediately ignored by the environment.
Speaker 0: Environmentalists, they don't talk about it. Right. I think there's nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I see it all over the world.
You have this beautiful valley. It's been there for, you know, in civilization, 1000 of years, but 1,000,000 of years. And all of a sudden, you have these ugly windmills up.
Speaker 1: Would your plan to be replace that with nuclear? What would you do?
Speaker 0: Well, nuclear is better. I mean, I I think there's a little danger to nuclear, but, you know, we had some really bad nuclear. They did one in Alabama. They did one in, I think South Carolina. They do them wrong.
They build these massive things, then the environmentalists get in. It it's a I don't wanna go into a long story because it's too long for the show. This show is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete.
It's the hardest it's harder than steel. It's incredible. They put up a wall. An inspector comes along those lines. Nope.
Nope. You're a quarter of an inch too. The wall might be 8 feet wide. You're a quarter of an inch too short. I'm sorry.
You gotta rip down the wall. You gotta because it's gotta be poured contiguously. Right? You're 1 quarter of an inch. I'm sorry.
Rip down you can't rip it down. This stuff, you can't put a hammer through it. You can't it's it's incredible. Concrete technology is unbelievable what you know, what's happened. You think of concrete that
Speaker 1: that's an example of overregulation. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Pointless overregulation. Inspector that comes along and he says, take down a $25,000,000,000 wall. These things ended up costing $25,000,000,000 and they one of them never got opened. But here's the story. So, France does it.
France is largely nuclear, and they build small, little, compact plants. And if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up, and they hook it up, because they get too big and too complex and too expensive. And it is very clean. They say it's it's abs you know, my uncle I had a great uncle who was a great genius just like other members of my family. But he was a professor at MIT for, I think, 41 years.
He was the longest when I was in the White House, the head of MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, doctor John Trump. He was our longest serving professor. He was a great genius, sir. Do you know how and he had, he knew everything about nuclear, from math to chemistry to nuclear.
He knew it. And he said, someday, it's gotta be the way to go, but the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war. He said, Donald, someday and this was a long time. Uncle John, doctor John Trump, he said, someday, you'll have a little satchel at your side, and you'll go into a building, and you'll be able to blow up New York City. I said, oh, come, John.
That'll never happen. He's right. You know? He's right.
Speaker 1: Well, that was part of the
Speaker 0: problem with
Speaker 1: giving nuclear power to other countries. Right? Like, that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power, and then they were able to weaponize it.
Speaker 0: The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming. It's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We have a guy that doesn't make it past 4 o'clock, and it's not because of age. You know, they ought to I know so many guys in their late eighties, and they're better than I said to one guy the other day, I think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago.
I've known him a long time. He's 89 years old. He's sharp. He's I mean, he's great. Biden gives people a bad name because that's not an old that's not an age.
I think they say it because I'm 3 or 4 years younger. You know? I think that's why they say it. They say his age. It's not his age.
He's got a problem.
Speaker 1: Two major brain surgeries.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He did. He did.
Speaker 1: He's He had
Speaker 0: Those are not good operations.
Speaker 1: And do you see what he did today? He went running towards the camera and made some apology to native Americans, and, that he said that's why he's headed out west. Like, he's off the reservation, so to speak, for a lack of a better term.
Speaker 0: You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was, looking over. I'm saying, this is strange. It's just sort of like strange things were happening. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: Well, he couldn't keep it together, but do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together?
Speaker 0: I think Do
Speaker 1: you think that they wanted that is that why, like, historically, that debate was earlier than they've been in the past. Right?
Speaker 0: I think they wanted to get well, there's a lot of theories. A lot of people said do the debate now and we'll get him out. Right. I think that maybe could be.
Speaker 1: Well, that is what happened. But it's So it it's
Speaker 0: logical to have a lot of people debate now and get it over with. Right. I don't think anybody thought he was gonna get out, really. I don't think make any sense. The debate the debate got him out, but but I think it's very unfair.
Look. You have a bad debate. His numbers went down, but I think she's not doing very well right now. And I think she looks
Speaker 1: well get to that too because it's hard to know. Like, the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls, then they'll
Speaker 0: get to the poll. I'm never called. If I did, I'd hang up. I was never called by a pollster. If I
Speaker 1: did, I wouldn't answer. I'm busy. You
Speaker 0: know how polls are done? I I oh, I'm gonna get myself in trouble, but so I really don't believe too much in him.
Speaker 1: So Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective
Speaker 0: Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was doing well. I'd go to a place, and I'd have 30, 40,000 people. Hillary would go. They have 500 people, and they tell me I'm gonna lose. I said, why am I gonna lose?
I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people. But, you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge you a lot of money too. You know, they charge you half a $1,000,000 to do some stupid poll, and they interview, like, 251 people.
I don't think they interview them in many cases. I don't wanna get myself in too much trouble. Bullshit? No. I think they sit there.
They make a deal. They get a half a $1,000,000, and they say, Trump's leading 51 to 49. They announce it, and everybody says, uh-oh. Do you understand? I've heard a I I don't think they I think in a lot look.
I'm a very common sense person. I think that they probably don't always poll. Some of them probably never poll. What's the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half? Well, it's
Speaker 1: also a tiny percentage of the population. I don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just don't think it's I
Speaker 0: don't know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pollster.
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's my point. So here's here's my question.
Speaker 0: But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing very, you know, really well in the pollster.
Speaker 1: But I think that's
Speaker 0: So this week, I happen to believe in a verse. I only believe of is it good? No. I like them this month. But, no, I I honestly believe that there's probably a lot of fraud.
I had a poll, Washington Post ABC, in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the day before the election. I knew it was wrong because I had a rally. I had 29,000 people at a racetrack, and it was like 0 degrees Wisconsin. And they had me down 17 points.
In other words, you had no chance, and I won. And I called up my pollsters. Good guy. Good good guy. And I I believe he's legitimate.
And, you know, and some of them are. Some of them are. I said, tell me, why did they have me down so much? I mean, nobody's gonna believe them the next time. They said they don't care.
When you're down 17 points, people are gonna stay home. They're not gonna vote. Right. Because they're gonna say, I love Trump, but I'm not gonna waste my time. It's cold out.
I said, but what do they make at 4 or 5? He said, at 4 or 5, they're gonna go and vote. At 17, they're not gonna go and vote. So Think of it. I was 7 this is a Washington Post ABC poll.
I was down 17 points in Wisconsin, and I won. It's crooked stuff.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of crooked stuff, and I wanted to talk about that too because one of the things that people, talk about with you is, the denial of the results. I think JD Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed, and they they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election? And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort?
Speaker 0: Well, they say it made 10 point difference, and I lost by one one, tenth of a point. Well, it is They say it was 22,000 votes, but, look, it was much more than that. And I appreciate JD Van saying that. And, by the way, I think he was a great pick. Do you like JD as a I like
Speaker 1: him a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 0: You're allowed to say that as No. I do. I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: I think he's a brilliant guy, and I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. He did you did my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast, and he just did it.
Speaker 0: How did he do it?
Speaker 1: He did great. And and he just talks
Speaker 0: about the argument to be Is that why you called me to do this?
Speaker 1: No. No. We really can't. I was, he was
Speaker 0: he was a nice guy.
Speaker 1: Shot you, I was like, he's gotta come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing.
Speaker 0: Timing is perfect.
Speaker 1: Timing is perfect. Do you even have a scar on
Speaker 0: your ear?
Speaker 1: You got anything on there?
Speaker 0: I do. Let me see.
Speaker 1: Let me see. We got
Speaker 0: So right over here. It's a tiny little mark. It zipped right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's It healed up pretty fucking good.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's pretty good. Yeah. It's little. It's not like, some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.
Speaker 1: No. You didn't get caught
Speaker 0: in the fire? No. No. It got it was sort of like a top shot. Mhmm.
The point of the bullet was over with the s. But you see the the the thing's taken off a little bit, but, it makes me a tougher guy. You know, the fighters you know, the fighters love their you know Bo Nickel? He's a great fighter. I love Bo Nickel.
How's he gonna do? I think he's true.
Speaker 1: He's great. He's a fantastic fighter.
Speaker 0: Almost, like, undefeated in college.
Speaker 1: Still yeah. He's a fantastic wrestler and one of the one of the best mixed martial arts.
Speaker 0: He fighting again? I wonder
Speaker 1: He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
Speaker 0: Oh, that's gonna be an inch after the election? Yep. So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and I won't bother him. You. My yes.
I think they're having a fight right now.
Speaker 1: One of the things that was fascinating also was, the denial of the election results is is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president. And she said that Russia put you in place.
Speaker 0: Even though she conceded? Yes. You know, she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten.
Speaker 1: Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been many of them. The Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling Chads, all that all that stuff.
Speaker 0: Well, look at these guys in congress. All these sleazebags in congress that are democrats, they're still denying 2016. But now they don't so much because, you know, they try and pin it on me. You don't hear them say But
Speaker 1: here's my point.
Speaker 0: Denied it right up until the end.
Speaker 1: My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election denied. It's like being labeled an anti vaxxer if you question some of the health Yeah. Consequences that people have from the COVID 19 shots. Oh my god. You're anti you're an anti vaxxer.
If you say and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's not 0%. So if you ask me what is the amount of election fraud in this country, is it 0%, no one thinks it's 0%. I've never met one person, not a super liberal progressive far left person or a a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's 0%. They think when you have human beings and, also, you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail in ballots.
Speaker 0: And you had legislatures that had to approve, and they didn't approve, and they went out and did it anyway. And you had ballot you had old fashioned ballot screwing. I mean, you had you have people going up and dropping in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots, etcetera, etcetera. There's
Speaker 1: certain people that think they have, and there's the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that Yeah. That's true. To stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.
Speaker 0: Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is I mean, you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you to said your love of Hitler yesterday. It's the You
Speaker 0: know, Kamala is a very low IQ person. She's a very low IQ. You know, I'm for taking tests too. I think anybody that runs for president should take they should give him tests. And it's not an age thing.
It's not based. If you look back on history, seventies eighties, your greatest some of your greatest leaders in the world world history, long time world history. They were in their seventies and their eighties. But I think you should take cognitive tests. I think everybody they say it's unconstitutional.
But I
Speaker 1: think That's ridiculous.
Speaker 0: I think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing. There's something wrong with her.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and the scrutiny you've been a celebrity for a long time, and you understand what this is like. But for someone who's in her late forties, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then all of a sudden, the weight of the world is on your shoulders. And there's all these people paying a lot of people clam up.
Speaker 0: But you either have it or you don't. Correct. Look. This is an interview. You've we've covered a lot of territory.
Right? And and, you know, it's fine. I don't care. I want to. I think it's much more interesting.
She to do an interview with, Anderson Cooper, a softball crazy softball interview, she took 2 days off, and she studied and studied all day long. And then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She couldn't answer a question. And every question's not answered.
I mean, like, what would you do your first day in office? Okay. I'll build a wall. I won't build a wall. I'll do there's a 100 things you can say.
Just say anything. Right? There's something off with her. We're dealing Joe, we're dealing with the smartest people. They hate when I say you know, when the press when I called President Xi, they said, he called president Xi brilliant.
Well, he's a brilliant guy. He controls 1,400,000,000 people with an iron fist. I mean, he's a brilliant guy whether you like it or not, and they go crazy.
Speaker 1: Right. It doesn't mean he's not evil, or it doesn't mean
Speaker 0: he's not Yeah. Of course not. Dangerous. But but, actually, we have evil people in our country. Yes.
If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia. He can deal with all of it. I had a I Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
Speaker 1: How would you have stopped it?
Speaker 0: He automatic. 2 things I told him. I said, Vladimir, you're not going in. I used to talk to him all the time. You're not going in.
I can't tell you what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate, but someday he'll tell you. But he would have never gone in. But you know why else he wouldn't have gone in? Oil prices at $40 a barrel wouldn't have allowed him wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute that war. Wouldn't have given him the money.
I said it with president I was with president Xi. I said it was almost the same conversation With Vladimir, it was Moscow. With President Xi, it was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation. I said, don't do it.
He would have never done it. The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan. 28 bombers. And it's the apple of his eye, and the same thing with Russia. It's the apple Ukraine is the apple of his eye.
I used to talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him. He wouldn't have done it. He would have never done it. But he also wouldn't have done it because of the you know, one of the reasons that what happened is, number 1, he doesn't respect Biden at all.
Not even a little bit. And who the hell would? But he doesn't respect him. But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled, number 1, you take the soldiers out last, not first. Okay?
That was their big mistake. And we had that thing charted out, and they weren't obeying us. They weren't, Abdul is the head of the Taliban. Boom. Boom.
He had to do all these things. Some, he didn't do. I said, nope. You're not doing you gotta do them all. This guy took he immediately took all he left the equipment behind.
13 soldiers dead, but he took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before. A child would know. That's why Milley was so stupid. He was such a stupid guy.
Milley. Okay. Those generals should have all been fired. The Afghan the people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. Then they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was, how bad he was.
But you take your soldiers out last. I had a a big rally, and I saw a child in the front row, about a year and a half ago. And I called the child up. I said, Do you mind if I borrow your child? Oh, yes, please.
And they came up. Kids 5 year I gave them quick details, you know? I said, We want to get out of this place, and we have this, and we have this, and we have the equipment. I gave them a little thing. I said, do you take your soldiers out first or last after everything's done?
You take them out last, sir. A child would know that. We took our soldiers out first. What was your plan? And we left a bag room.
Speaker 1: Well, not only that.
Speaker 0: We left
Speaker 1: 1,000,000,000 of dollars' worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.
Speaker 0: The best equipment yet to embarrass us. The best equipment in the world.
Speaker 1: The Taliban parade where there got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever
Speaker 0: seen.
Speaker 1: In fact, we left all that stuff there.
Speaker 0: Equipment in the world behind.
Speaker 1: What would you have done differently?
Speaker 0: Well, number 1, we would've taken it out. Just so you go back a little bit further. I had a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from the time I had those conversations because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff. They were shooting they were shooting a lot of them.
They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting them. And I said, get this guy on the phone. The press went nuts when they heard this. I had a great conversation with it was a tough conversation. 18 months later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever shot at.
And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it. His people went nuts. He said, yeah. Well, I will admit, no soldier we we didn't have a soldier killed in 18 months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was gonna happen if that happened.
I didn't have one soldier. Then when I left, after having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country and much more votes than he got in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our soldiers. But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving. He shouldn't have left number 1, should have left from Bagram, because Bagram's this massive base. It's got tremendous acreage around it.
Tremendous. It's a very big it was built many years ago. And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes to China. 1 hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles, you should have never left Bagram. Number 1.
They should have left from Bagram. They should have left last. They should have got you know, we have Americans that are still there. They should have taken all their equipment out. Everything should every plane, every screw should have been taken out, every tent.
And I said that that's when I realized that Millie was a dummy. I said, we're leaving, but I wanna get everything out. Sir, it's cheaper to leave it. I said It's
Speaker 1: cheaper to leave it. Yeah.
Speaker 0: He said it's cheaper to leave it. That was Cheaper. Cheaper. He said it's cheaper.
Speaker 1: Sir Not more dangerous.
Speaker 0: He just said cheaper. I said, I want every plane. I want every tank. I want the goggles. They have night goggles.
They have all this stuff that these guys now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out and leave it. I said, so you think it's cheaper to leave a $150,000,000 brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back? It's cheaper to leave. I said, this guy's nuts.
I'm telling you. He was so stupid. He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man. And there were a number of them.
But I defeated ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who was so great. I flew to Iraq, and I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with. And we knocked out you know, I defeated a 100% of the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take 5 years.
I did it in a matter of a few literally a few weeks. And we hit them hard. And he said, sir, we're gonna hit him here. We're gonna hit him there. We're gonna hit him here, there.
And I said, this guy's great. I like this guy. I was told it would take 5 years. That's why I went. I said, how could it take 5 years?
We have brand new fighters. We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly take that long? And I flew to, I flew and left at 3 o'clock in the morning. Nobody knew I was going.
I got on Air Force 1 and we started flying. And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I'm sorry. You'll have to turn off all your lights. Why? We're getting close to our site, our land.
I said, you mean, we spent $8,000,000,000,000 that we can't leave the lights? Or think of this. 20 years, $8,000,000,000,000 that we can't leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that's okay. Turn the lights on.
I'm not gonna fight them. That's what
Speaker 1: This is because it's too dangerous?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Too dangerous. Because they see the light up in the air. They'll shoot at it. They'll shoot at it.
You know? So, I said, turn the lights off. Then they said, so we're gonna also pull your shades if that's okay. So that's okay. The plane was pitch black.
All the lights outside, you know, the blinking the glowing the blinking reds, they were all turned off. And I like to sit with pilots a lot of times, and these guys are specimens. I always say they're better looking than Tom Cruise. Okay? And they're even taller.
Like, perfect specimens. These guys, like, for a fighter, you know, you have some guys that are perfect specimens. Right. And, you know, they pick they pick the best pilots in the air force, United States Air Force, to fly Air Force 1. And I get up there, and I'm sitting and and I'm feeling my way up.
You know, it's up high in 747 as you go through the stairs, but I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't a light in the plan. I'm saying, can you imagine? We spent 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars, and we're trying to fly in blind. But I got into the plane.
The cockpit's dark black. Little tiny light. You could see the pilot. A perfect looking human being. His co pilot.
Everybody was perfect. They were all like movie stars. You know, it's like I could've cast a movie with these guys and nobody would believe it because they were too good looking. So I said, how are we doing, Kev? Sir, we'll be landing in 10 minutes.
And I look outside. There's not a light. And I'm see you know, I've landed a lot of planes. And you see, like, little lights, at least. There's nothing.
It's just pure desert. And I said, okay, captain. Good. But I'm looking. Now we're did you you've been in many planes where it has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet.
9 Goes 1,900. 800. It's a computer voice, but it sounds like but it's an incredible voice. 700. I say, captain, are we okay?
I'm look are we okay, captain? There's no lights. And I'm looking you know, normally, when you land a plane because I sit
Speaker 1: with Klaus
Speaker 0: a lot. I think it's great. I think it's a great profession, everything. It's a great they're incredible. These machines are incredible.
He said, sir, we're fine. No problem, sir. I said, you know, I don't see the lights up there, captain. Sure. We're okay.
You know? So I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit. You know, prob probably exaggerating, it'll tell the story. They'll say, Trump was a coward. So I'm sitting with him.
He goes, five hundred and I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway. Nothing. And we're going in. You okay, Captain? Everything good?
Yes, sir. No problem. We'll be down in about 1 minute, sir. And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a light. There's not a little pin.
And all of a sudden, and you hear, bwah, bwah. Perfect landing like glass. That's how good I mean, these guys, between the equipment and the it's genius. It's pure. It was so dark.
You couldn't see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn't know where the hell you are. You're in the middle of a desert. And then I got out of the plane.
I said, thank you, captain. It's a great job. And then I get out of the plane, and I'm going down, and I see a general and another general. And I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant, and the various guys. All central casting.
Central casting. They said, sir, would you like to rest? I said, I don't want a rest. I want to figure out what the hell are we doing with ISIS. I'm hearing we we can't it's gonna take years.
No, sir. We can do it very quickly, sir. Anyway, we go into the room. We go in I mean, Biden would've taken a nap for 4 days and then left without a meeting. So we go into the room, and just to have these guys.
I say, how long can you do it? How long? We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir. I said, wait a minute. They told me 5 years.
We can do it in I don't know. He gave me a number, like, woah. Like, just like, in no time. I said, why haven't you done it? Because the orders came in from Washington, sir, and they would come here and tell us what to do.
Don't you challenge us? We're not allowed to do that, sir. That's not the military way. They tell us what to do, and we have to respect them. I do.
Speaker 1: So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn't go after ISIS?
Speaker 0: I think it's a bad system. You know, when Mattis goes there or when Milley goes there who's stupid, and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do. And the guys that are smart are saying, we don't like what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort of counteract. Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant. You know, they're arrogant fools.
They're like stupid fools. The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the planes.
Speaker 1: There's a
Speaker 0: disgrace. It was so it was it was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling off. It was so bad. There was no reason for it. Anyway, so we knocked them out.
And I mean, we have great military. We have great people, but not the television guys. And I rebuilt the military, and then they gave a chunk of it. I have to tell you, as much as it is, it's a tiny little piece, believe it or not. We have an I rebuilt the military.
I rebuilt our nuclear. And in a way, I hated to redo it, but I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is, Joe. One bomb Israel is gone, but forget. One bomb could take out the entire East Coast. It's so bad.
And I watch these poor fools talking about our oceans will rise 1 eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. I mean, we have people. We have countries. Right now, you have 5 countries. And don't underestimate North North if you take a look at North Korea, they're nuke I was there.
I mean, I was with Kim Jong. I had a great I got along great with him. You know the press release? He got along great. That's a good thing.
It's not a bad thing. It's a great thing. Obama thought we were gonna go to war with North Korea. When I met with Obama just prior to the takeover, you know, you meet, you have a sort of a ceremonial meeting, But it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest problem?
He said, North Korea. By the time I finished, I was we we had no problem with North Korea. We were really it was a little tough at the beginning. Remember? Mhmm.
He said, I have a red button on my desk. I said, I have a red button also, but mine's bigger than yours and mine works.
Speaker 1: I like how you call them little rocket man.
Speaker 0: I said I said, yeah, little rocket. I said, little rocket man, you're gonna burn in hell, and it was a rough Yeah. Oh, so rough that people were worried. This is crazy. And then one day, I got a call, sort of like a fight.
I got a call. You know, you ever see where they're pounding from? Then all of a sudden but I got a call, and it was from him, meaning his people, they wanted to meet. They wouldn't meet Obama. He tried to meet.
They wouldn't even talk to him about it. And I think he expected to go to war. I actually do. I believe he expected to go. And we checked the nuclear stockpile.
It is substantial. I mean, it's that's I said, do you do anything I got to know him very well. I got to know him better than anybody. Anybody. And I said, do you ever do anything else?
Why don't you go take it easy and relax? Go to the beach. You have beautiful beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly. He said, you're always building nuclear.
Just relax. You don't have to do it. Let's build some condos on your shoreline. They actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said, I just have to do it because I need it for my safety, etcetera.
I got to know him very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem if you have a smart really the right president, a smart president, you're not gonna have a problem. And I say it to people. We have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within.
And it drives them crazy when I use that term. But we have an enemy from within. We have people that are really bad people that I really think want to make this country unsuccessful. When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that when when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers, We had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last 3 years.
Speaker 1: And 15,000 rapists convicted. Rapists?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Drug dealers? Drug lawyers? And that's
Speaker 1: just the ones that have been accounted for?
Speaker 0: Correct. People from mental institutions.
Speaker 1: What do you think this has to do?
Speaker 0: To hundreds of thousands of major criminals tougher and worse than anybody we have. These are
Speaker 1: We're seeing the consequences of it. San Antonio, they've taken over apartment buildings. In Aurora, Colorado, they've taken over apartment buildings. These Venezuelan gangs
Speaker 0: Just the beginning.
Speaker 1: What what do you think the strategy is? You know, one of the things that they've said is that you, stopped a bill from being passed. But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here?
Speaker 0: Yeah. This is years after the fact. The damage was already done.
Speaker 1: But what was the bill? What was the problem?
Speaker 0: 2,000,000 people in. They were gonna get amnesty. It was a horrible bill. It didn't protect us at all.
Speaker 1: But we should just tell people what the strategy is. So one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that are coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to swing states. Like, this is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio. Right?
Speaker 0: They're in swing states? Well, that's not a swing state. I'm gonna win Ohio by a lot. So that's not a swing. But it's called Springfield, Ohio, to be exact.
And Yeah. Springfield, Ohio is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into their community. You can't get into a hospital. You can't get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful little place to a horror show.
And the mayor is a nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters. I said, no. You've got to remove them and bring them back to their country. Mostly Haitians, in this case.
But they speak no they speak no language. They speak no No English, man. In fact, even the language they do speak, it's I mean, they can't get interpreters. They can't do anything. And the mayor's trying to be politically correct.
They're all trying to be. In Aurora, Colorado, you have the the worst probably the worst gang. MS 13 might even be you know, those 2 are the worst gangs. These are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over apartment complexes, and they're gonna wanna take over the whole thing.
And you have a weak governor, a pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat. He doesn't know what the hell to do. But you have it in many other communities, but they don't like to talk about it because it's, you know, it's bad for the community to talk about it. These people have been let in here by this imbecile. She's, and I mean it.
She's a low IQ person. Low IQ. Right.
Speaker 1: But it's also it's obviously not just her. There's there's a there's a strategy that's involved in letting people
Speaker 0: in charge of the border.
Speaker 1: Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also they they utilize that app, the app that used to be used. It used to be used, I think, essentially wasn't it for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country?
Speaker 0: It was used for shipping, and now it's used to deal with the cartels. The cartel heads of the cartel, rich people, by the way. These are loaded. These people have so much money. They would call up think of this.
They call up the app, and the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo. Prisons in the Congo. I made a little bit of a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who you love, who I love, I assume you love Love
Speaker 1: that dude.
Speaker 0: I think he's in a class by him. He's
Speaker 1: He's probably the reason why you're here.
Speaker 0: I I I don't know. Maybe.
Speaker 1: He's one of the big ones.
Speaker 0: He is the greatest guy. You know, I always say, every nobody's indispensable. You know, everybody can be replaced. Maybe you can't be. You might not be.
But they know what? Truly, I don't think you know, the thing they sold it for 4,000,000,000? I said, what a hell who the hell is gonna pay 4,000,000,000? And they made, like, a great deal. I mean Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's because of him.
Speaker 0: Take him out. I think it's a whole different way.
Speaker 1: No. He's the best He he's also
Speaker 0: the greatest guy. He spoke at my at the whole thing with you know, I had just been shot, and he got up and he spoke so better than anybody. I mean, who would be better to introduce you? I asked of all the people, and I know the biggest people in the world, and they all would have loved to have done I said, Dana, would you do it? You know, it was interesting.
He was away. And he said to the people that you know, one of my guys called and said, I won't be able to do it. I'm gee, I just left with my wife and family. I said, he said, no. Yeah.
I was a little surprised, even though I knew he was very far away. He was in some place, you know. And and he deserved it with his family, you know, the whole thing. And then I said, alright. Let's let's enter, so we'll look at who we're gonna get.
And all of a sudden, she comes in. Sir Dana White just said he's going to do it, and he's coming back in tonight. He's taking the you know, the guy is just an incredible guy, and he's, like, a tough champion but loyal. Yeah. He's gotta be one of your favorite people.
He's one of my favorite people.
Speaker 1: I've been friends with him for 23 years. I love him.
Speaker 0: So would you have, because you what you're doing here is incredible. I mean, everybody tells me all I know is today, I'm going you know, you're on Joe Rogan take. People are telling me, like, I said I say, how the hell do you know that? But it's it's sort of what you've done here is amazing. Where would you be if you didn't do the UFC stuff?
Would you have this show, do you think? Yeah. I would still be doing it. For sure. Yeah.
Would it be at the same would it be at the same level? I don't know. But you would have to
Speaker 1: It's hard to know. I think, you know, one of the things that works for this show, I guess, is that I I'm involved in so many different things. You know, stand up comedy, UFC, and all the interest that I have that lead to the podcast.
Speaker 0: Will you always wanna do you first of all, you love UFC.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 0: You love the fights. I mean, I watch you. You are loving it. They could pay you nothing. It'd be very
Speaker 1: They didn't pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows. I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money. And I became friends with Dana, and my my position was you're gonna give me the best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side for the fights. Like, I'll do it, and I wanted to help.
I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for
Speaker 0: in the early days of
Speaker 1: the sport. I started working for the the company in 1997. I was the before the UFC was purchased by Zufo, which Dana worked for. So I I was a part of the previous owners, and I only did it for a couple of years. It was just too much, and I was losing money.
And it was banned from cable because of, Budweiser and John McCain, and you could only get it on DIRECTV. And so
Speaker 0: And then I came along, and I gave him the sites.
Speaker 1: And he loves you.
Speaker 0: And he never forgot it.
Speaker 1: He he loves you for that. He talks
Speaker 0: about it all the time. Just to interrupt you for one sec. So he they couldn't get a site because it was too dangerous, and everybody was against it, and they couldn't get a license. And I gave him the first 2 or 3 sides.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 0: And they were great. And by the way, I went to the first fight. I said I never saw anything like this. It was crazy. It was so good.
Take the best fight you've ever it was like that fight. Right? It was so good that they gave it to me again and again. And all of a sudden, they caught on. But, you know, when I wasn't en vogue you know, I've had time.
You probably never had a time, but I had times when I wasn't exactly en vogue. Dana, they called him. He said he's the greatest guy. There's nobody like he said, I'll never say anything bad about that guy because when I need it because I'm having a hard time at the beginning. They almost pulled the plug a couple of times.
Right? He said he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do. And he said, I will never and there was a time where it would have been very popular for him to say bad stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff about me. He said, you're gonna try and get me to say bad stuff about Trump.
I'm never doing it. No. He's a very, very, very loyal guy.
Speaker 1: Very unusual guy.
Speaker 0: He's a fantastic guy.
Speaker 1: A perfect guy to be at the helm of something so controversial Yeah. As the UFC.
Speaker 0: Less controversial now. I mean, so
Speaker 1: Well, now it's huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe, like, other people just think it's too violent.
Speaker 0: But Can boxing make it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Boxing's still a great sport. I love boxing.
Speaker 0: But it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison to UFC. Don't you think?
Speaker 1: I think well, you know, Dana is working with, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They're they're gonna start promoting boxing now. And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing could return because the thing is they wanna make fights that other maybe, you know, promoters don't wanna make because they wanna protect their fighter. Controversial fights where, you know, it's dangerous. Like, you don't know.
This guy could lose. And so the Saudis, they're smart. They just offer a tremendous amount of money, and they're putting together fighter fights that no one else can put together. They're doing that in boxing.
Speaker 0: If Dana's involved, he'll probably make it good. You know the amazing thing, though, the the in fighting, no UFC fighter, they say, has ever died, and it looks to be much more violent than boxing. Many boxers have died. Isn't it interesting? And Dana tells me because they take so many shots to the face.
Speaker 1: Yes. And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch. You could try to take the fight to the ground. You have options.
Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed. And, generally, you know, if a guy's really hurt, they could be finished in in on the ground and the fight's over. If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up. You get up, your head kinda clears, but you're still in real bad trouble, and then you can kinda run away and survive until the bell rings.
Yeah. There are only 3 minute rounds, and then you start again. So you're getting repeated punishment to the head. Yeah. You know?
And then there's also the issue of guys' weight cutting, you know, which is a problem with the UFC as well. But weight cutting in boxing has led to if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division. Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions. Because when guys dehydrate themselves to to lose to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated. Like, it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly, and you only have 24 hours between the weigh in and the fight.
And it used to be the weigh ins were the day of the fight. Like, when when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Dook Koo Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking, and it led to a bunch of different changes. And one of them is day before weigh ins to allow people to rehydrate better, and the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12.
Speaker 0: Which look. They should do that. You know, I'm not I'm not the fighter, so but those 15 round fights were unbelievable.
Speaker 1: They were unbelievable.
Speaker 0: Unbelievable. Yeah. You go back to the
Speaker 1: golden age.
Speaker 0: Yeah. In terms of entertainment
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: Those were the the championship reps. Those were the greatest fights.
Speaker 1: Those last 3 rounds were crazy.
Speaker 0: That was brutal. I mean, it's such
Speaker 1: a war of attrition. You know, a lot of people think even, like, a 5 round UFC fight. That that UFC is 5 minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out. And those last couple of rounds, those 5 round fights, the 4th and the 5th round, unbelievably brutal.
Speaker 0: Who's the greatest UFC fighter in you are you allowed to say? In your opinion, it's tough for you to say because you do this, but who do you think is the greatest of the fighters?
Speaker 1: There's there's there's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time. You know, Jon Jones, most people would say is the greatest of all time, never lost. It's a there's certainly a really good argument for that. There's another argument for George Saint Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime, you know, mighty mouse.
People forget about mighty mouse because, unfortunately, he's a smaller guy. It's a £125, flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think to this day
Speaker 0: And Khabib? What about Khabib? Khabib is
Speaker 1: fantastic. But if you looked at, like, accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29 and o, but he didn't have his
Speaker 0: And probably never lost a round. They say
Speaker 1: He might have lost, to Glayson Tibau. He might have lost to him.
Speaker 0: Around.
Speaker 1: Might have lost a round. And, oh, that was a controversial fight where people think that Glayson Tibau could have even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision. But,
Speaker 0: They're great athletes.
Speaker 1: Oh, the best athletes in the world. And the the most dangerous sport in terms of, like, it's I always call it high level problem solving with dire physical consequences.
Speaker 0: Yes. Just brutal.
Speaker 1: That's what fighting is.
Speaker 0: You know, I I never forget. So there was a fighter named James Tony.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I love James Tony.
Speaker 0: He fought as a very light fighter, and he ended up as a heavyweight. I mean, this guy went through everything. He was almost like a lightweight.
Speaker 1: He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight. Yeah.
Speaker 0: And and And Peter van
Speaker 1: der Holyfield is a heavyweight.
Speaker 0: And he was a real fighter.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: So James Tony and I think it was, Saint George,
Speaker 1: George Saint Pierre?
Speaker 0: Saint Pierre. I think it was him. Who did he fight? James Toney?
Speaker 1: No. James Toney didn't fight George Saint Pierre.
Speaker 0: He fought a UFC fighter.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Randy Couture fought James Toney. Was it Randy Couture? That was a very easy fight. Randy Couture just took him down and strangled him.
Speaker 0: The most and he's half the size. And he just once he got to the ankles, in fact, he bounces it. It's over. Yeah. And he put him
Speaker 1: took him down, mounted him, strangled him. It was pretty
Speaker 0: hard. He was nice. But he was talking big because he was much bigger. He was a pretty big guy.
Speaker 1: James just wanted to make some money.
Speaker 0: You think so? Yeah. But I never forgot it. It was it was over very quickly. And he was lying, sleeping on the mat, and he was talking.
You know, he was doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't work out. But I remember
Speaker 1: the fight?
Speaker 0: Yeah. That was couture probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was couture. George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If he did, he would kill them.
Speaker 0: George Was he one of the greatest?
Speaker 1: Yes. Unquestionably. That's the the argument there's, like, a handful of guys you can make the argument is the greatest of all time. People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable.
It's but that's
Speaker 0: the thing again. And then
Speaker 1: there's Fedor Emilianenko who fought pride in his prime. He was unstoppable. There's there's this And
Speaker 0: you have a couple now that are pretty good.
Speaker 1: Oh, we've got so many now. Alex Pereira. Correct. There's an argument that he's the
Speaker 0: top count for pound fighters in the world right now. Good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's an he's unbelievable. But it's like, fighters can only compete at that level for so many years. And so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak. You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge them when they're coming up.
You gotta judge them in that championship peak. In that championship peak, there's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.
Speaker 0: If they stopped a little bit sooner Yeah. Some of them would have had you know, I mean, there are a couple of that you just mentioned without mentioning names, and they stopped at the perfect they were unbelievable. And then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out. Right?
Speaker 1: Yes. It's unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.
Speaker 0: Well, Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable. Mhmm. And then he lost a close one, then all of a sudden he had
Speaker 1: to He got knocked out. He got knocked out by Chris Weidman.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: He was kinda clowning in that fight famously and click Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out. And then they fought a second time, and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman.
Speaker 0: Right. That's right.
Speaker 1: And after that fight, he was kind of never the same because that that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had there's quite a few fighters
Speaker 0: That was a big
Speaker 1: actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. It's only been, like, 4 of
Speaker 0: those the same because you can't kick.
Speaker 1: The same. Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking with that leg. You can, but psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right, you have to get surgery. You have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together, and then it takes forever for it to heal.
Speaker 0: It always amazes me how the kicker I mean, you have those cases, but the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's leg, but their leg doesn't seem to get damaged, isn't it? It does
Speaker 1: get damaged. It hurts.
Speaker 0: More than you do.
Speaker 1: But your shin you you you your shin gets very numb after a while. And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the calf. They're kicking soft areas, and they're slamming this hard numb shin. Right. Their shin gets all these, like, micro fractures all over the shin and it calcifies.
Oh. Like, these guys can kick baseball bats. You ever seen break baseball bats with their shins?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I've never seen them.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Some guys can do 2 baseball bats. Someone will hold the baseball bat, and they'll just kick right through them.
Speaker 0: But there's shins also. Enthusiasm now. Right? Yeah. And it's like, that's why you're good at what that's why you nobody does this better.
That without the enthusiasm, forget it.
Speaker 1: Well, it has to be authentic. Like, that I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I I'm very interested in it for real. It's I'm not I don't have to manufacture it. I'm very interested.
Speaker 0: So I love going in there after the fight, and they're sweating all over you. They're slopping all over you. You're beautiful. They're bleeding off. Sometimes their nose is bleeding off.
Bit? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like No.
Speaker 0: 2 weeks ago with the guy was he I never saw it.
Speaker 1: It's Neil Roundtree. Yeah.
Speaker 0: He kept more stuff came out of his nose?
Speaker 1: Yes. It was pretty nasty, but, no, I'm very used to it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself.
Speaker 0: You've done a great job.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 0: You've done a great job.
Speaker 1: So back to you and back to what what are you and to first of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And I love this make America healthy again
Speaker 0: Yep.
Speaker 1: Idea because there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic. There's pesticides and herbicides, and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary. And there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things. And 2
Speaker 0: this chart for you. Beautiful. Because I had a feeling you'd be asking me.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 0: Look at this chart. These are healthier countries. Look where the United States is. I'm gonna send this to RFK Junior.
Speaker 1: Look at this is, well, something along the I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.
Speaker 0: I could see it.
Speaker 1: A lot of it's
Speaker 0: a lot of it's obesity.
Speaker 1: The life expectancy versus versus health expenditure.
Speaker 0: Same chart. Yeah. Did you see that?
Speaker 1: USA. Wow.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: He's
Speaker 0: he's very good.
Speaker 1: He's the best.
Speaker 0: But no. But look at that. Look at the USA.
Speaker 1: It's not good, and that's our food. That's our diet. That's that's sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals we ingest.
That's what that is.
Speaker 0: But RFK is gonna be very you know, I I think he's a great guy. I
Speaker 1: think he's the fact that you guys teamed up. Yeah. And are you guys are you com completely committed to have him a part of your administration?
Speaker 0: Oh, I am. But the only thing I wanna be a little careful about with him is, the environmental. Because, you know, he doesn't like oil. I love oil, I guess. I think, you know, I think Just keep him out of that.
To fire. So I'm just gonna keep him out of a little I said, focus on health. Focus. You can do whatever you want. But, I gotta be a little bit careful with, the liquid gold, you know?
Speaker 1: I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health.
Speaker 0: Here's the one that here's the one that my all time favorite, though.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 0: See the arrow right here? That's what I left. Did you
Speaker 1: have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him? Have have there been
Speaker 0: people who who?
Speaker 1: RFK junior. Yes. Yes. I would imagine. Because financially, I
Speaker 0: I would say that and, you know, the I think in many ways, they've done a good job. In many ways, they've done a bad job. But I would say that the, big pharma wasn't thrilled when they heard that you know, I have a relay I've actually always gotten along very well with him. I've known him a long time. He's a different kind of a guy.
He's very smart, great guy, and he's very sincere about this. I mean, he really is you know, he thinks we we spend a fortune on pesticides and all this stuff, and then you end up that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous. It's such a bad chart when you look at where we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10¢.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: So, you know and you save a lot of money. But, yeah, we I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can imagine. Right? Sure.
It's a good question, actually.
Speaker 1: Well, certainly, if there are It doesn't affect me. Some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of, and then you have a guy like RFK Junior who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.
Speaker 0: I would say that's an understatement.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So how what do you do to stop that from
Speaker 0: getting in
Speaker 1: the way?
Speaker 0: Well, look. They've come up with some amazing things. I mean, I don't know how you feel. I I know you're against the vaccine certain vaccines, but like the polio vaccine, people had polio, they were it was like a disaster. And they came up, doctor Salk, and he came up with a vaccine, and there's no polio.
Now very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the Gaza Strip, can you believe that? Have you heard that? There's been a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 1: Is it vaccine derived polio? Because, you know, there's there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because, unfortunately, sometimes we vaccinate people for polio.
Speaker 0: I actually I haven't heard that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him and let's and I'll give it a total I would love him to be right because it's if he's right, it's a lot less expensive, generally. There's 2
Speaker 1: things that people point to when they point to, the the dangers of, the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television. We're only one of 2 countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. Mhmm. The other one's New Zealand, but they're they're more restrictive than we are.
People are But
Speaker 0: those ads those ads when you hear, like, you know, take a certain drug
Speaker 1: And then you hear all the
Speaker 0: doctors' causes It causes cancer and baldness would only baldness. Suicide on medication. That and eyesight, and you can lose your vision. Yeah. And, you know, I just I actually asked one of these guys.
I would never take I mean, the question's things that are so bad. They go through a whole list. I guess they save some liability, but, man, I said, does that affect the purchase? Or they say it really does. When they when there's something you have and you read, and then they go through the list of Side effects.
The potential side it's not even the potential side effects. Right. I mean, a lot of people are just I I ask that question. People hear that. When I hear it, I I'm gonna take a passage that says, may affect your vision, may cause blindness.
May this
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And but
Speaker 1: Well, I know you're aware of Callie and Casey Means. Right?
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Well, one of one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they they act to to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health. Uh-huh. But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away. And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people, and this is a bigger And
Speaker 0: pesticides and things like that on the plants and Yeah. What do you think of that?
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you got a jack in the box on every corner. Right.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: If everybody wants food and we have food deserts and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing every anything, and everything has to be shipped in. You know, it's very difficult to feed that many people. We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's in it's very difficult to get food to these people. And then for a lot of these people in low income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: And we could fix that. That that's if we could send a $175,000,000,000 to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States has. And I think it would it would help us as a nation overall. Just if you just put it out there that, hey. As a nation, we're gonna make a concerted effort to get people healthier.
Just put it out there Yeah. And people start making better choices.
Speaker 0: Well, when you look at that chart, I I was It's crazy. I just they just gave me that chart because they said you may wanna discuss this topic, which I know is a big topic for you. And when I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as a nation, that's a that's a pretty big thing.
Speaker 1: Are you so healthy? Is it golf?
Speaker 0: No. It's genetics, I believe.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big Genetics is a big factor.
Speaker 0: I I really am. I mean, my father was
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it is a big factor for health. Some people are just way more robust. But you do play golf a lot, and that is actually parents.
Speaker 0: It it for me, it's good. It Fresh air. It really is. It's fresh in your outside. Yeah.
Even mentally, you're focused on that 3 footer. And for some for a couple of hours, you're not. And I go quick. I play fast, real fast, and I'm I'm in. I'm out.
But, you know, it gives me I was never one that could, like, run on a treadmill. I just and I can do it. You know, when passing a physical, they ask me to run on a treadmill, and then they make it steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor said it was at Walter Reed. They said, it's unbelievable.
I could've gone I'm telling you, I felt I could've gone all day. But I said, doc, I can do this all day long. I'm not I have no problem. But it's boring to me. Do you understand?
Speaker 1: It's just boring. Golf's exciting.
Speaker 0: But I did it for so long. They couldn't believe it that I did it. And I never did you know, I don't do it. I don't you know, I have friends who run-in this stuff all day long. But I had no problem doing it.
But it's really boring. So with with golf or something, you know, or tennis or whatever. Right. Golf, as you get older, there's something really good about it, and you have competition with
Speaker 1: friends. Concentration. And
Speaker 0: it's a great handicap sport.
Speaker 1: And it's also a thing, I think, that's, it cleans your mind. Because when you're looking at a a shot, that's all you can think of when you're executing.
Speaker 0: It gives you a couple of us you know, it's interesting. Like with tennis, if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play with somebody. You know, it doesn't work. You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes. Right?
But it's not this with golf, you can play with a lousy guy and give him a stroke or hole or 2 strokes or hole or something. You know, it's a good handicapping. Right. But it gives me a little exercise, but I haven't played, in a long time. I won a lot of I won 32 club championships.
Didn't
Speaker 1: you play right after you got shot?
Speaker 0: No. Where I what I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau. Do you know Bryson?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: The pro.
Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
Speaker 0: He's a great player. And we played it was a certain thing that we played, I guess, called breaking 50 or something. 50, we play from a certain tee, and if you can break 50. And it got tremendous ratings, sort of like a crazy thing. It would it got he's a great guy.
But wasn't that like
Speaker 1: a couple of days after you got shot?
Speaker 0: I don't know. I I know I
Speaker 1: have that was one of the funniest things. You were on the golf course.
Speaker 0: I think I did. Yeah. Maybe I did. But I, you know, I'd be able very interestingly, I'm running for president of the United States. To me, it's such a big deal.
It's so important.
Speaker 1: So I've got now biggest deal in the free world.
Speaker 0: It's it's a 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl, and it's one person. Yeah. So you're down to 2 people, and we start off at 9,000,000,000 because you have 9 peep 9,000,000,000, they say in the world. Who knows what that number is? But you get down to 350,000,000.
Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country, but let's assume it's 325, 350, and you're down to 2 people. It's the biggest thing in the world. And when I heard she took off yesterday and she took off the day before, and she's gonna take off tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day off in 56 days. That's a long time. I haven't taken one day off.
I don't I didn't I don't wanna plug up. This is too exciting. Golf is great, but this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything you can do. And the Also,
Speaker 1: it's the home stretch.
Speaker 0: It it's the home stretch. Who would take a day off? So we have 11 days left now. And think of it. So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row.
No days off. And I make speeches oftentimes, you know, sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when you make a speech and my speeches last a long time because of the weave. You know? I mean, I weave stories into it.
And if you don't if you just read a teleprompter, nobody's gonna be very exciting. You gotta weave it out. So you would but you always have to as you say, you always have to get right back to what Yeah. Otherwise, it's no good. But the weave is very, very important.
Very few weavers around. But it's a big strain on your you know, it's a big it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. You gotta be careful with the voice. You can lose that voice.
The voice wasn't designed I said today, so I made a big one last night. I was in Las Vegas. Big one the night before in Arizona. Big one I mean, they're all big. We have the there's never been anything like it in terms of crowd.
Never been close. Never been close. They say he talks about crowd says, you know what's very interesting? So we get crowds that are really big. And I say, you know, I've never had a story because I don't get good press.
I don't think I've had a good story in years. I really don't. I don't I swear. I don't think I you you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah. Everybody loved me.
I don't think I became president of the United States. I did great the second time. I did much better. I I don't wanna get you in in any disputes, but I won that second election so easy. And not just because But let
Speaker 1: me let me get
Speaker 0: to that.
Speaker 1: Let's I wanna talk to you about that.
Speaker 0: The thing. I did that, and now I've gotten the nomination again. And don't forget, to get these nominations, you go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis was hot. You gotta go through him.
Nikki Haley was hot. You gotta go through her. I went through everybody. Record time. Right?
Record time. I got 3 nominations in a row. Won the first time. Did much better the second time. You know, I get millions of votes more the second time, and now I'm doing it a third time.
And and it's an incredible thing. I never get a good story. I only get bad press. Now I will say this. It's a lot easier if you're a Democrat.
If I were a Democrat
Speaker 1: You'd get a lot of positive press.
Speaker 0: I would get a lot of positive
Speaker 1: press. Yeah. No. It's a it's a creepy, corrupt business, and the the media, to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 0: It's not it's not even believable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's believe I mean, it's bizarre to watch. And, you know, most young people, I think, are aware of it. I think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe in CNN.
Speaker 0: But it's getting younger. Let me tell you. It's getting for us for a conservative. And, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even I
Speaker 0: consider myself a person. It's
Speaker 1: because the Internet's giving people information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And they get, like, the the very fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things that they've done. They tried to pin on you. That's, like, it's a clear distortion of what you actually said.
Speaker 0: The bloodbath hoax. Yes. I was talking about Yes. The auto industry. It's a bloodbath because Japan and Of course.
China are taking our auto and I said, it's a bloodbath. They said, oh, he used the word bloodbath. He said,
Speaker 1: if you don't win, it's gonna be a bloodbath, then
Speaker 0: they're gonna take over. That's exactly what you say. Terrible thing they do.
Speaker 1: But that's the problem with propagandists, because they take things out of context, and, ultimately, what they do is they diminish their own credibility, because people don't wanna listen to them anymore. Because they see that they've done that, and they recognize what's going on, and they feel insulted. They're intelligent.
Speaker 0: Well, look at the ratings. Yeah. You know, shows like yours so I have a son who's very smart and tall, barren. Right? And he knows all about you.
He knows about guys I never heard of. He said, dad, you don't know how big they are. They're big. You know, I said, who the hell is he? Like, Ross.
I did he said, dad, he's a great guy. I mean, guys said they're doing it's a whole new world out there.
Speaker 1: It's a different world. And You
Speaker 0: know, I'm I'm on TikTok now. Congratulations. And I've done really well. No. But you know the crazy have you seen the numbers?
I've billions, like, billions of hits. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: TikTok's a wild application.
Speaker 0: Up 30 points. A Republican is always down 30 with young people. I'm plus 30, and I'm on TikTok.
Speaker 1: I think young people
Speaker 0: huge impact.
Speaker 1: Young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. They're they're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill telling them what the moral standards of society should be today, and people are upset.
Speaker 0: It's a big there's a big difference now, but even in just a couple of years,
Speaker 1: I was shaking hands with people. They're young people The rebels are Republicans now. They're like, you wanna be
Speaker 0: a rebel. You wanna be
Speaker 1: punk rock. You wanna, like, buck the system. You're a conservative now. That's the that's so crazy. And then the liberals are now pro pro silencing criticism.
They're they're pro censorship online. They're they're talking about regulating free speech, and they're regulating the first amendment. It's bananas to watch.
Speaker 0: Joe, they come after their political opponent.
Speaker 1: Well, I
Speaker 0: do more guys. I always say, you know, I kid, but I'm not kidding. I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone. He was the meanest of them all. He'd kill you in 2 seconds if he didn't like you.
Right? I've been under investigation more than Alphonse Capone only because it's political opponents stuff. And I've won I won the big case in Florida. I I'm winning the other stuff. You win.
But you know what they did? They did something that's only done in third world countries. They came after their political opponent. Yes. I could've put Crooked Hillary in jail.
Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but they're never weaponizing it by saying that that's what you were going to do once you get in office. They're ignoring what they're doing right now. It's crazy.
Speaker 0: I heard it. Somebody was defending me today. They just no. That's they say that's what you're doing to him. They're going, he's gonna put us in jail.
He's gonna invest. They say that's what you're doing. What you're doing to him. Yeah. A lot of people say, will you do that?
Will you do that to him? If to them, if you win. You know, it's the presidency has tremendous power. I could've put Crooked Hillary
Speaker 1: in here. That you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country. No.
Speaker 0: I can't I couldn't even imagine. You have, first of all, secretary of state, but more importantly, the wife of the president of the United States of America going into jail. And if you ever saw, when I'd say something about her, they would all say I didn't say it. I never said it. They'd say, lock her up.
Lock her up. And I'd always go, take it easy. Just relax. We're gonna win this thing. Take it easy.
Take it easy. And I'm telling you, I kept it down, just the opposite. Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her in jail. No. I saved her from going to jail.
They had more stuff on her. And Comey had it, because when Comey got up, and he stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too, he goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch. He got up. Joe, he got up. And instead of saying she's innocent of all charges, he went over each charge.
And each charge was a killer. And he go, and as far as her doing this, she's innocent. And this, and then she's only a unfair prosecutor for it. We go, but every time you heard these charges, they sounded so bad. They were bad.
And all it was is he wanted more airtime. If he would have gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton, and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up there because he's a he's a PR hound. He's a hog. And he starts going through the and you know what he had?
They had a huge problem because FBI is great. The people there. Not the top people. The people. The real people.
The people that work there. It's like the real generals that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time. The FBI guys are great. I'll bet you I'd be at 95% in the FBI.
Speaker 1: I bet that's right.
Speaker 0: Underneath. Yeah. And and so here's the thing. So he goes with Hillary, and instead of just saying he goes through each charge. Right.
And even I would say, man, those are bad charges.
Speaker 1: Sounds terrible because
Speaker 0: And this was before I
Speaker 1: got with those charges.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Don't forget. This was before I got there. Right. Now he was trying to protect her, but he did her a great disservice.
Speaker 1: Because he wanted attention.
Speaker 0: He was still
Speaker 1: So I wanna I wanna talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Totally.
Speaker 1: What how do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts you off. I'm gonna allow They do
Speaker 0: well, they not only cut you off. Well, what I'd rather do is we'll do it another time, and I would bring in papers that you would not believe. So many different papers. That election was so crooked. It was the most crooked election.
Speaker 1: Okay. But give me some examples of how.
Speaker 0: Well, let's start let's start with the top and the easy ones. Okay. They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn't get it. In many cases, they didn't get it.
Speaker 1: What things?
Speaker 0: Anything. Legislative approval law. Like, for extensions of the voting, for for for voting earlier, for this all different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals. You don't have to go any further than that.
If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen. They wouldn't give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots weren't signed. They weren't originals. They were we could go into this stuff. We could go into the ballots, or we could go into the overall.
I'll give you another one.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna present this Well, let me never? Like, what do you do you think like
Speaker 0: Let me just give you one moment before. 51 intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia. It turned out to be totally false.
Speaker 1: 51 former intelligence agents. Right?
Speaker 0: They say that made I don't believe it's this much, but it doesn't have to I won by, like I lost by, like I didn't lose. But they say I lost Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes. That's like 1 tenth of 1 percent less than that. It's a tiny little thing. 22,000 votes spread over the that's spread over this this period.
So 51 intelligence agents lied. They lied. They lied. They knew it was. It was Hunter's.
It was from his bed. It was Hunter's laptop. They said it was created by Russia. Russia, Russia, r it was the Russia hoax. The Russia hoax was a big hoax.
It was all a big hoax. So
Speaker 1: Well, that's clear, Mueller. One example.
Speaker 0: That is a good example. Example. They say it made a 17 point difference. That's a big example, but that's only one. And you could go into the ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.
You could go into the ballot harvesting. You could go into $500,000,000 for the lock boxes.
Speaker 1: But just in terms of narrative so there's 2 things. Right? There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that was never proven. Right?
That's one. No.
Speaker 0: It's proven it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Right. Right. But but they as they've talked about it on television.
Speaker 0: 2 and a half years to prove.
Speaker 1: But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television. Sure. That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds, especially low information people that just watch the news Sure. That you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one.
Sure. So that changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links. You can't share it on DMs. You cannot share that story.
They they swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation even though they knew it was not. 100%. So that's two examples that are real examples. Now anyone who considers himself a legitimate objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie. And the the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler.
Yeah. They kept saying you're gonna be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the 4 years where you were actually the president.
Speaker 0: I was actually the opposite of a dictator. I was a very straight guy. But, look, those three things you take those three things, each one of them by themselves causes the result to be different. Okay?
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 0: And then you can go into a 100 other things. There's so many. We can't have corrupt elections, and we can't have open borders. We need a we need you need to have a country. You need borders.
You need fair elections. And I'll tell you the other thing you need is you need a free and fair press. One of the things I like about doing a show like this can you imagine Kamala doing this show?
Speaker 1: I could imagine. Doing this show.
Speaker 0: Saying. I would say on the floor.
Speaker 1: She was supposed to do it, and she might still do it, and I hope she does.
Speaker 0: She's not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I will talk to her like a human being.
Speaker 0: I will try to have a conversation with her. Interview with you. I hope she does because it would be a mess. She'd be laying on the floor comatose. She'd she'd be saying call in the medics.
Speaker 1: I think we'd have a fine conversation. I think I'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to interview her. I'd just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being. That was my goal, having her on, trying to get her to express herself just as I don't know if these I don't think these formats are good.
I don't think that 2 people first of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also, you have to break I
Speaker 0: think you have to have the debates, though.
Speaker 1: Right. But the way they do the debates, I think, is the wrong way to do it. I think they should have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit across a table with no one in the room but the 2 of you. Of course, you're not gonna shout each other.
Of course, you're not
Speaker 0: gonna insult each other. I mean, it may get they used to do it yet.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't, but that would be the way to do it. They used
Speaker 0: to do it that way. They all did.
Speaker 1: Cameras on you with no no one interfering with press with, with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her with clearly things that were inaccurate. Right? So have 2 people just have a conversation with us without a time constraint. And also this idea they cut off the the the microphone
Speaker 0: Well, no crowd.
Speaker 1: No crowd. Crazy too because you're good at working a crowd.
Speaker 0: I would rather have a crowd.
Speaker 1: Of course. You would rather be good at crowds.
Speaker 0: But I had no so they gave me an alternative. I don't think you want to debate.
Speaker 1: Why did they want no crowd?
Speaker 0: What was the argument? They thought I wasn't gonna accept it. So I believe what they wanted to do is have me not accept. So they gave me a deal I couldn't refuse, and I said, I'll do it. Okay?
It's like the mob.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: I'll take it. So they came to me. They said, we'll debate Joe Biden. You know, that thing got tremendous ratings too. That was crazy.
But we'll debate Joe Biden, but you can't have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said, that's the only thing. I said, look. You gotta you gotta stand up.
You can't really sit down. Right. You know, in the old days, they did sit down a little bit, but but He gets tired. He gotta stand up. And they agreed to it.
It was a very tough thing. It it almost killed it. They wanted to they wanted to have, like, desks, where we sit. I said, I think we should stand up. And that was the only thing I asked for.
I said, we gotta stand up. I I thought it looked bad for, like, the public, but they said no crowd and cut off the mic. And I said I can live with it. I mean, I can live with it. And they thought I was gonna reject it.
And then they would say he didn't wanna debate sleepy Joe. Right. That's what they thought was
Speaker 1: gonna be. To say that with you and Kamala as well. They tried to say that you didn't wanna debate her as well.
Speaker 0: No. By the way, with her, number 1, I'm leading. Number 2 you know, I didn't they also said it with the primary. So I had, like, 10, 12 guys, right, in the prime. And no stupid guys.
I mean, you know, they're governors in the Senate. They're not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all of them. And all my guys said, you have to be in the debate. I said, why?
I'm leading by 74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm I'm, like, 60 points, 70 points higher. Why would I stand there like an idiot for 2 hours and let every one of them scream at me? I'm gonna be the focus. What Right.
And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a very smart thing because, you know, it was they just killed themselves.
Speaker 1: The Republican primaries.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The Republican primaries, with I like debating. I think debate I think you have to debate, but I like debate. To be fair. I like debating the like, the Rosie O'Donnell debate.
I like debating when you have a remember the Rosie O'Donnell
Speaker 1: That was very funny.
Speaker 0: Crazy thing, Megan. That was a hell of a question, man. If I didn't come up with that answer It
Speaker 1: was a great line.
Speaker 0: Well, what it was is, you know, that was we had 28,000 people. That was the Cleveland arena where the Cavaliers played. Right. LeBron James. Not a big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball player.
But, you know, that was the and when I said that, that place went crazy. And she kept talking. No. She had, like, 10 other Yeah. Well, Megan said you said it to
Speaker 1: other people, and you admitted you did. But it was funny. It was it was a comedic timing moment.
Speaker 0: It was fine.
Speaker 1: That's what they wanted
Speaker 0: to do. Lucky. I did it because she was oh, she wasn't that question but she kept talking, but you couldn't hear. To this day, they don't know what she said, but it wasn't buzzed. So anyway but we had a good time.
I I It's comedic timing,
Speaker 1: and that's the reason why to have a debate a debate in front of a large audience. And then they Well, how did I do
Speaker 0: it at the Al Smith dinner? I got very good reviews on that.
Speaker 1: That was great. Very funny.
Speaker 0: I got you.
Speaker 1: Very funny stuff. The Tim Walsh stuff was very funny.
Speaker 0: Tim Walsh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 0: That's a real beat.
Speaker 1: That's a crazy one. She the the she said that she had picked him, and this is one of the question I wanna ask her, when she was sleep deprived. She said she was, suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is
Speaker 0: just like I was Hey. Maybe take a nap. So I was okay. Look. Let's see how it all turns out.
I think we're gonna win. I think we're way ahead now. I think we're way ahead. But but, you get to tell you what? Can I bring you back?
I think they're gonna look at 2 things. They're gonna say they should've had a primary even though it was a short primary. Yes. They shouldn't have picked her. And then she's gonna say I shouldn't have picked this guy.
She shouldn't
Speaker 1: have picked that guy.
Speaker 0: That guy should have The the
Speaker 1: the lying about Tiananmen Square Everything. Submitted in that yeah. The military record, assistant coach versus head coach. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Little things. So I did McDonald's last week.
Speaker 1: I saw that.
Speaker 0: And I actually got a call from your friends at Google, from Sundar. That's pretty good. Right? He said this is the biggest thing we've had in years.
Speaker 1: You The hit McDonald's?
Speaker 0: The McDonald's. Did you know that? It was one of the It was funny. Who's a great guy, by the way. But he said, this McDonald's thing, I wanna tell you, it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google.
It just hit. But the reason I did and I actually you know, you never know about this stuff. I thought it was a throwaway. Mhmm. I didn't think our conversation's a throwaway, but I thought that was I thought I'd walk in.
And that was only to highlight the fact and I I have a friend. He owns, like, 56 of these McDonald's. And he said, do you wanna use one? I said, yeah. I love it.
So we went there, and the crowd was crazy. You know, they had 28,000 people sit around the whole thing. Did you see the outside? It was crazy. The cars couldn't get to Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.
We had no idea what the hell. But I went into the place, and I did the French fry thing. And it just hit. But that's like in life. Sometimes you do I thought it was like a quick throwaway.
We're gonna be there for 15 minutes. Then I said, I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes more than she worked here. She lied about McDonald's. And, you know,
Speaker 1: is that proven that she never
Speaker 0: heard of herself? Well, McDonald's has no information. No. She has no information. She's there's nobody the manager said she never worked there.
You know, it was a certain place, and he said they never no. She lied. She's a liar. You know what they do? They'll say, like, on any one of their questions, take any they'll say, it's the exact opposite of what I say.
IVF. Who's against IVF? Fertilization. Right. He's a and and it's the exact opposite.
I was I came out immediately, strongly in favor and they do ads. I'm against it. It's wrong, on every single topic. And, you know, she changed policies on 15. I've never seen a guy change anybody change on more than 1.
You know, you can maybe get away with 1. Her whole life fracking, every single thing that she was for, the confiscation of guns, she wants to confiscate. Now she's saying everybody should have a gun. In fact, we're gonna get her a MAGA cap. I'm gonna send her a MAGA cap.
But she's changed, and I don't think people are buying it. I don't think people are buying it.
Speaker 1: Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it, because it's blue no matter who. There's there's a certain percentage of our population that's gonna vote Democrat no matter what.
Speaker 0: That's true.
Speaker 1: They're pressured. There's their their community, their ideology, it's
Speaker 0: You know, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Right as evil.
Speaker 0: I don't understand why okay. You have a wall or you have a you know, I built 570 miles of wall. Everyone said, I built a lot of wall. Exactly the stuff. But you have a border.
What I don't understand is, who would want people to come into our country from places unknown, like sometimes they'll say about a fighter? From parts unknown. Right? Remember, Haystacks Galahun. From parts.
Yeah. From parts. And they're the oldest. Those are the oldest. That's even before you.
But, who would want people to come in pouring into our country? We don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: But that's I wanna ask you this. Why do you think they're doing that?
Speaker 0: I think because
Speaker 1: Do you think they're trying to buy votes? Do you think they just want cheap labor? Like, what is what's the idea?
Speaker 0: It's a couple of theories. They hate our country, they're stupid, or they wanna buy votes. It's one of those three things. Yeah. They want it now they are trying to get people registered who, you know, don't even know what the country is.
Speaker 1: Trying to give people amnesty. People that live here, they're trying to give
Speaker 0: them access to citizenship. Citizenship or they wanna well, how about what happened?
Speaker 1: About the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting.
Speaker 0: $200,000,000,000 and and that's a way low number. That's a way low you know, it's it's interesting. New York has always been like, you you know, sort of, like, always looking for money. They've spent a $100,000,000,000 on this stuff. I I don't know where they and they're not getting the money from the federal government.
It's crazy. And because the mayor came out and said, we can't live like this.
Speaker 1: They investigated him.
Speaker 0: He gets in I by the way, I called it. I said he just got himself indicted. Mhmm. This group is stupid, but they're vicious. They're stupid people, but they're vicious people.
Speaker 1: The 2020 elections. You say you have all this evidence that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumable form? In what?
Speaker 0: Oh, I did. I have I have books on it. And and, by the way, books have been written on it. We have an author named Hemingway, who is a great writer. She wrote a book on it, but many books have been written on it.
There are books that are what's happened is judges don't want to touch it. They would say you don't have standing. They didn't rule on the merits. They ruled the merits never got there. The judges didn't have what it took to turn over an election.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud. One of them is mail in ballots. The other one is the, if someone can break into voting machines, if someone can hack voting machines. Those are 2 huge ones.
Speaker 0: So Elon, what can be done? Elon Musk. I think he said it publicly. I hope he did because I I wouldn't wanna be the one. But he's a really smart guy, and he's a very good guy with computers.
Right? You'd say he's
Speaker 1: He's one of the smartest people alive.
Speaker 0: Anybody that can land that Yeah. 20 story building and perfect and
Speaker 1: While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Starlink,
Speaker 0: while he's talking to me
Speaker 1: about he owns Twitter.
Speaker 0: And then he agrees to Starlink.
Speaker 1: And he tweets a 100 times a day.
Speaker 0: He's an amazing guy. Yeah. He said to me that unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an honest election. That's a big statement.
Speaker 1: It's a big statement.
Speaker 0: We should go to paper ballots. You know, France did. They went the mail in voting, and it was all messed up. What can you tell? Thing with the machines?
So we have the machines. They cost 10 times more. Paper ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper ballots. They're all watermarked and everything else.
They're very sophisticated. But if you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost, and you're done by 9 o'clock in the evening. Right? Now we have this sophisticated machine that goes up to heaven. It goes all over the place and down and around.
And they say, we'll need 2 weeks to figure out who the hell won the election.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's by design? Yeah.
Speaker 0: I do. I think it's I think it's very quick. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to have an opinion. What could let's say you win in November. What can be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done at, you know, at the level that the president has power?
Speaker 0: Well, if I win, that'll be this will be my last election. But I think I owe it to the country. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it I owe it to the country.
We have to have fair elections.
Speaker 1: So how can you fix that?
Speaker 0: You know, Jimmy Carter was the in charge of a commission, you know, that many years ago. And they put him in Scoop Jackson and various senators, you know, distinguished people that were retired. And they came up with a report. And the report's primary finding was you cannot have mail in ballots. Because if it's a mail in ballot you know, I went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was, and I walked in in Palm Beach.
And I walk in, and they know me. They say, mister president, could I see your identity? Yes. Boom. Here's this.
Here's that. Everything. And then you sit and you they watch you sign, and you really there's not a lot you can do. I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it's sort of beautiful. Right.
If instead of that, I'm gonna send them a ballot Right. It has to go through the postal services. It has to go through a lot of people. They mail you houses that you know, the house was demolished, and the people have left, and it it's so bad. The one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission.
It was no mail in ballots, and we're the only one that does elections this way anymore. They've gotten away from it.
Speaker 1: And this is a it ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be, like, soldiers serving overseas.
Speaker 0: They used COVID to cheat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail in ballot. Another thing
Speaker 0: that they That's it's a but they used COVID to cheat.
Speaker 1: But here's another And
Speaker 0: the last election was a little bit of a, you couldn't even get security guys. Big, strong guys to watch. You know what? You'd call them. They'd call them, and they said, shit.
They were afraid to go out. You know, we had we were in the middle of COVID. Mhmm. We were in the middle of COVID, right smack in the middle, and they didn't wanna die. You know, they didn't wanna catch it.
It was like in a way, it was it was like a ghost town. And the whole thing but mail in ballots are a bad thing. Bad
Speaker 1: thing. That certainly is is a problem. Mail mail in ballots are problem.
Speaker 0: But any other country in other countries ID. Yeah. A voter ID? How about
Speaker 1: ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing.
Speaker 0: Because you wanted to cheat.
Speaker 1: Voter. Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've tried to straw man it or I've tried to steel man it rather. I've tried to, like, look at it from a position like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are Cheap.
Just ridiculous. I you need an ID to get a driver's license. Okay.
Speaker 0: But here's now the next step. Gavin Newsom, one of the worst governors in the world, from and I used to, frankly, I used to get along, but I don't get along with him because he's just too you know, it's just a whole con job. But Gavin Newsom, the other day, signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person, even ask them whether or not they have a voter ID. Then what could be a
Speaker 1: charitable reason why anyone would want that? Because But that would be the only thing that makes sense.
Speaker 0: But that's taking it to the next level.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Now, you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention, when they had it the last time I saw, they had a sign, like a billboard on the the name of the person, where they live, how they live, who the hell their boyfriends are. Every single it was and a big picture. That's for their they have an ID, a big ID. It's it was hanging like you were a prisoner.
It they had these massive cards, everything. And yet, when it comes to the vote in theory, the most important thing we do, okay, when you go to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote, it's supposed to be a sacred thing, and it it should be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they wanna cheat.
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've tried to look at it.
Speaker 0: There's no other way.
Speaker 1: There's I there's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense why.
Speaker 0: You know the funny thing, Joe? The Democrats, the people, they all think you should have it. In other words, you should have it. Yeah. If you go to the people, missus Schwartz, missus Smith, mister and missus Jones Sure.
They say, of course, yeah. Democrats. They say, yes. It's the politicians that don't want it. Like Schumer and these guys, they don't want it because they wanna be able to cheat.
Because you know what? If they didn't have it, okay, who is gonna vote for somebody that wants open borders? Who's gonna vote for somebody that wants to have, men playing in women's sports? You know, I have never had one person come up to me and say, president, you gotta do something to allow men to play in women's sports. Have you ever just like I've never been called by a pollster.
I told you my little theory on pollsters. Okay? I'm getting myself in trouble with some of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's ever come up to me and said, we wanna have men play in women's sports. And, you know, I had a funny thing at a property I own in California.
I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and she works there as a manager. And Brian Urlacher, the big, Chicago Bears, great player, you know, 10 time also, I guess, hall of famer. Great guy. Big, strong guy. And they she said, oh, he's one of my favorite athletes.
Can I have a picture? And I took a picture, and I sent it. And I noticed she was the size of his leg. His leg was bigger than she was. And I put it out, should men play in women's with the whole it was just so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the left?
Speaker 0: Who wants it? Now unless you're gonna cheat in elections, you're never gonna get nobody wants it. Right. I don't think anybody wants it. I've never I've been told everything.
You know, you can some people want this. I don't know of anybody that wants open borders. Nobody's ever come up to me and say, president, you gotta let the world come into our country. Right. Now if they won so they have 21,000,000.
I think it's much harder than that because you have gotaways. You know, gotaways where they just walk in. They walk in. But and the other thing you have is human traffickers. You have traffickers, and they traffic in women, and they're going wild now.
We used to you know what? You have to look? The trunk of cars. Can you believe it? They put women in trunks.
They'll put 3 women in a trunk. These people are savages. They're horrible. They're worst people. The and they're making the kind of money they make on drugs, they're almost making on trafficking now.
And the thing that's made it hot is the Internet. That's what you know, you think of it almost as an ancient thing, but it's the Internet. But who would wanna have these things? Who would wanna have there's so many the transgender operations, where they're allowed to take your child when he goes to school and turn him into a male to a female without parental consent. Who wants this?
Does anybody want this? I've never heard of anyone, and I can go into 10 different things. The only way they get them is by no voter ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't want any they wanna cheat.
There's only one reason, because the voter ID is so basic. It's the most basic thing It's
Speaker 1: very basic.
Speaker 0: Who would want this? They want it so they can cheat because their policies are no good. Their poll I'll tell you. They're very smart when it comes to that. They're very smart.
Although, they're not smart in terms of, politics in a way because what do they have that people want? They really don't have they give away a lot of health care, a lot of stuff. But for the most part, their policies are terrible. Their policy on military she's running on a tax hike. She's gonna raise your taxes.
You gotta hear this. We are going to raise your taxes, and the people clap. But who is going to win with her? All my life I grew up with politicians. Lower taxes.
She's she's politicking that we are going to raise your taxes.
Speaker 1: Well, they wanna raise the the idea is you wanna raise the taxes to the highest earners.
Speaker 0: I know. But but it really doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: And billionaires are not paying their fair shares.
Speaker 0: But it doesn't work that way. Well, it's a narrative.
Speaker 1: Right? And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well. Yeah. And they're like, yeah. Our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
Speaker 0: Well, the problems are
Speaker 1: the rich people are gonna leave, and they're gonna close-up their companies, and then the other people aren't gonna
Speaker 0: have jobs. You know, that's what happens. It does happen in other countries. But the the whole because you you brought it up. I'll tell you what.
We just, he's doing a very good job in Virginia. Glenn Youngkin. I don't know if you like him or not like him. I don't know him. But they oh, you don't know him.
The governor of Virginia. So we have a case where they found thousands of illegal ballots. A judge just ruled that they have to be able to vote. Just happened today. Just before I walked in here, I heard.
A judge just ruled that you have to keep those people in. They're illegal. They're illegal votes. Now I think they'll be overturned at the next court. One thing I found because I had a couple of things that they got overturned a little bit.
You know, the system. Because the system you have to hope that the appellate judges are honest. Otherwise, we don't have a country anymore. It's very important. But the whole thing with the legal ballots, it's gotta be looked at.
You gotta have you have to have voter ID, and you have to have additional ID. You have to have an ID that shows that you're a citizen of the country.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 0: They don't want that either.
Speaker 1: I agree. One of the things that I wanna talk to you about is the JFK files. And one of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.
Speaker 0: So I I opened them up, partially. I was met with from good people. I mean, you know, look, I mean, good people. People that were well meaning. Mike Pompeo was one of them.
He's a good person. They called me. They said, sir, would rather have you not? After and I did open them, but I was asked by some people not to open them. There's a Martin Luther King file too, by the way, that they'd like to see.
I don't know if you know, but there is that. But but JFK in particular. So they called me. A lot of good people called me. People that I you know, that you would find reasonable people.
And they asked me not to do it. So I said, well, we'll close it for another time. But if I win, I'm gonna open them up. I'm just gonna open enough time.
Speaker 1: Didn't you open it up the first time?
Speaker 0: Because a lot of times the hesitation though.
Speaker 1: Addresses, people
Speaker 0: that are still living. There are people that are affected. And there could be some national security reason that for you know, that I don't have to necessarily know about. But some very good, talented people asked me not to do it. I opened it up, and then they said, would it be possible for us to do that a different day?
Speaker 1: What how much of it did you read into?
Speaker 0: I think it's gonna be just fine to open it. Let me put it that way. I think it's fine. It's gonna be time. It's a cleansing.
You know, it's really a cleansing. So I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated
Speaker 0: in the assassination. Yeah. Well, when they're living people, you generally tend not to wanna do it when people are still living.
Speaker 1: Living people that formerly worked for the government.
Speaker 0: For the government and living people that were somehow involved in it, and you tend not to do that. But, it's time to open them. I can't tell you whether or not, they're gonna find anything of interest. And I did partially open. I think I I've opened up 50%, but I was asked not to do it.
And I I I thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it very soon. There's a lot of interest in it.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm
Speaker 0: gonna lot of interest in, the, people coming from space. You know? Yes. And I know you're interested in it.
Speaker 1: Oh, very interested in that. How much do they tell you about that?
Speaker 0: A lot.
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. What do they tell you?
Speaker 0: How much
Speaker 1: can you tell? So I How's that work? Because it's, like, super top secret? Tell.
Speaker 0: You know? Tell me. Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever the hell I want. Right? But no.
But I interviewed a few people. It's never been my thing, I have to be honest. I I have never been a believer. I have people that Area 51 or whatever it is I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something. Area 51, let's say.
Do you know that. Right? Sure.
Speaker 1: I know what it is.
Speaker 0: So, anyway but it's a big tourist thing. So I interviewed jet pilots that say they saw something. If you saw them, you'd love to have them miss us. I've had
Speaker 1: a couple in here. Commander David Fravor. Yeah. I had him in, who had that sighting in 2,004. Very, very compelling with visual Very compelling.
Video evidence, radar evidence. I inter Brian Graves.
Speaker 0: I don't believe his name, but I I interviewed jet pilots that, were solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots, great everything. And they said, we saw things, sir, that were were very strange. Like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or a meteor.
It was something. And it was going 4 times faster than an F 22, which is a very fast plane, you know. And it was round, which is in, in theory, a great shape.
Speaker 1: So when you were talking to these people, was was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was this your personal interest?
Speaker 0: A little bit. It it's not a great interest for me, but it's a little interest. I get that question as much as almost any question. Do you think that we have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 0: There's no reason not to. I mean, there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life, you know, because Well,
Speaker 1: Mars, we've had probes there and rovers, and I don't think there's any life there.
Speaker 0: Well, maybe it's life that we don't know, but maybe it's
Speaker 1: Maybe there was life there at one point in time. This is a speculation about Mars, that Mars had a a a an atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago that could support life. It also had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars. But these are pretty vast.
Speaker 0: Thing for me. I mean, when I looked at what China did to this, admit, they would have never done it with me where they put the balloon up, and a lot of people thought and a lot of people thought for a little while that that was Right. One of these things. So Well,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of the speculation too that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs.
Speaker 0: There could be also.
Speaker 1: There's some super sophisticated
Speaker 0: But I did interview, let's say, 3 or 4 guys that and without tremendous interest, if you had them as I said, you'd love to have me as your children. Solid, beautiful people. They said, sir, there's something there. You know, they've There's something there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've talked to quite a few
Speaker 0: of them. Conspiracy guys.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the just the commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. Yeah. They don't know what it is.
Speaker 0: That's tough to beat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they saw something in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water. They got video evidence of this thing. The 2 different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it.
There's, you know, visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence, whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being in a Jell O if you're inside of it. The g force, no one would survive. Oh, g force. That? And we don't they didn't it doesn't have a heat signature.
They don't know what their propulsion system was. But
Speaker 0: When you fly in some of these jets, these pilots have to be in great shape.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I flew with the Blue Angels once.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I got to
Speaker 1: fly I got to send them a late 18.
Speaker 0: And those are older machines.
Speaker 1: And they're crazy.
Speaker 0: When you when you fly in some of these things,
Speaker 1: it's amazing.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But Yeah. I can imagine. You gotta be special.
Speaker 1: But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of. Yeah. Do is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't that they didn't tell you about?
Speaker 0: I I think I had a great relationship with the military, basically, but, you know, I didn't like certain people. I would've gotten them out if I thought if I were if the election was different, I would've fired, you know, all of them quickly. Some most of them, I did fire. Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan. He should have had a lot of firings.
You know, if you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything. At least Israel's not gonna look in at a bomb the way they would have been. Think if they listened to Biden. They'd be waiting for a bomb to drop on their head right now. He's been wrong about so much.
I guess you'd have to say that she's been wrong too because, you know, they she always said they made the decision together. But, Israel didn't follow his advice, and I think it was a very, you know, there it's a very the Middle East is rapidly changing. You know, there are prophets that say the world will come to an end in the Middle East. You know that. Right?
And we have weapons today that are so scary. When you look I rebuilt them all. And when you look at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we have in the world today is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons too that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons, the biggest threat we have in the world today, and that's what you I was talking about de escalation with both China and Russia.
I'm telling you, we were gonna deescalate. They were gonna deescalate. You gotta be careful. We're just a little tricky playing with them, because they say we're gonna do it, and they don't do it maybe. But they understood the curse too.
It's a curse. It's, China's way behind us, but they'll catch us within 5 years.
Speaker 1: So let's imagine let's let's say you win in November. What do you do differently, and how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War 3? How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How do you put a stop to this?
Speaker 0: Well, it's it's a very, to me, it's an easy question because I think I can do it easily, but it's a complex question in the sense that the times change. Every day changes. Who's winning? Who's not winning? I mean, Russia's a war machine.
Whether you like it or not, it just grinds along, grinds along. You speak to people like Viktor Orban, he'll tell you. So just a big fat war machine, and that's what's happening. You look at what's happened to Ukraine. If I were there, it would have never happened.
But what you what could you do now?
Speaker 1: If you get into office in January, what what
Speaker 0: could you
Speaker 1: do now?
Speaker 0: Right now, you would get both of them. I know both very well. And and, again, I I cannot I do not wanna tell you, you know, for the purpose of looking smart to find people that, you know, that say, oh, he was great. Because if I told you exactly what I do, I could I could never make the deal. All I can tell you is that I would meet with Putin, and I would meet with him, and I know exactly what I'd say to each one of them.
And I believe that as president-elect, I would get that war stopped and stopped fast. You know, we have tremendous power in the United States if you know how to use the power. I stopped other wars just by the use of tariffs. I got Macron of France. Good guys, like a friend of mine, but he's a wise guy, and he's a person that likes France.
Said he was gonna tax our companies. I say and I sent all the smartest guys. I sent Mnuchin, and they all failed me. And I said, I'll do it myself. And I called him.
I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies. We're not gonna allow you to do that. Oh, Donald, I cannot do it. Nothing I could do. It's already been passed.
I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I'm gonna put a 100% tariff on your wines and champagnes that come into the United States, and you're gonna regret that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please. That's not fair. Anyway, within about 2 minutes, he dropped the whole thing, and it was massive amounts of money against American companies. I have to protect American companies.
Speaker 1: Doesn't the Biden administration do this?
Speaker 0: Because they're incompetent. They don't know how to talk. Look. They met in Alaska with, the Chinese, and the Chinese lectured them about how badly we treat people. Right?
Okay? I mean, think of it. You remember that day? It was like an they didn't talk to me that way. They never they respected me.
They respected our country. They don't respect our country. They don't respect Biden. They don't respect her. They're dreaming about her because she's incompetent.
She's not a smart person. Look, she can't put 2 sentences together. She talks I watched her 2 nights I watched her last night too. It was the same thing. She's not a smart person.
These guys are very smart, and they're very streetwise, and they're very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she becomes the president of the United States, which I can't believe can happen, I don't think this country is gonna make it. I I don't think we'll ever be. I think I think bad just really bad things will happen to our country. And you know what?
I look at the outside forces, and I say they can all be handled because we have a pot of gold. But we're not gonna have that pot of gold to play with anymore. You know, it's a great negotiating thing. I told you, I I knocked out this massive car company, gonna take all of our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just by my rhetoric.
Rhetorically, I said, they'll never sell a car in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care. They're 2,000%. They're never gonna build that plant in Dodge.
Speaker 1: Possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas, and then some of our phones are made in places like yes. And the chips. And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn, where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides. Like wouldn't it be better to have an American made iPhone where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer a horrible in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States.
It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States, so they get these people to build them overseas.
Speaker 0: You do it. But but let me just tell you. That chip deal is so bad. We put up 1,000,000,000 of dollars for rich companies to come in and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they're not gonna give us the good companies anyway. All you had to do was charge them tariffs.
If you would've put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would've been able to just like the auto companies. No different. More sophisticated, but no different. You know, Taiwan, they stole our chip business. Okay?
They want us to protect and they want protection. They don't pay us money for the protection. You know? The mob makes you pay money. Right?
But with these countries that we protect, I got 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us. And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg, who just left as the, you know, director general, as the secretary general. Good guy. He said Bush came. He made a speech.
Obama came. He made a speech. Trump came. He said, you guys aren't paying. You gotta pay.
And they said, will you protect us from Russia if we don't? I said, no. You gotta pay if you don't pay. 1,000,000,000 of dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying a lot of money to have people build the chip, that's not the way.
You didn't have to put up 10¢. You could have done it with a series of tariffs. In other words, you tariff it so high that they will come and build their chip companies for nothing. In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the chips coming in. I say, you don't have to pay the tariff.
All you have to do is build your plant in the United States. We didn't have to give them the money to build a plant. Besides that, they're very rich companies. These chip companies, they stole they stole 95% of our business. It's in Taiwan right now.
They do a great job, but that's only because we have stupid politicians. We lost the chip business, and now we think we're gonna pay. You can't build it that way. You have to make them spend their money in the United States, and those plants would open up all over and they'll fund them. We don't have to put up 10¢.
And I am in the process of making a huge speech in about a little while. And you and I how long have we been talking?
Speaker 1: A long time.
Speaker 0: Let's go
Speaker 1: Probably like 3 hours.
Speaker 0: I gotta make a speech. I I but we'll do it again. I wanna do it again with you. You are something. They said I said, how long will this last?
Anywhere from an hour to 3 or 4? How long
Speaker 1: will we do, Jamie? 3 hours.
Speaker 0: Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought it was I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it was great as well.
Speaker 0: You are a fascinating guy, and you've done a great job.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 0: Fan, and thank you very much. It's been an honor.
Speaker 1: It's been an honor
Speaker 0: to have him on the call. Great speech, and I'm gonna say, and if I'm a little off tonight, I'm gonna blame you. I've been saying I spoke to this guy for 3 hours. Anyway, it's a great honor to
Speaker 1: be here. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 0: Thank you. Thank you. Good luck to you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Appreciate it. Bye, everybody.
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At a historic Trump rally, the atmosphere was charged with energy and surprise guests. Comedian Tony Hinchcliffe criticized Hillary Clinton's comments, while Vivek Ramaswamy emphasized law and order. Former Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard and Robert Kennedy Jr. warned against a Kamala Harris administration, highlighting issues like censorship and economic hardship. Tucker Carlson and Dr. Phil also voiced strong support for Trump. Elon Musk electrified the crowd, urging massive voter turnout. The night concluded with Trump hinting at a significant secret with Matt Gaetz that would impact the election.
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Hillary Clinton warned Trump’s event tonight would be a reenactment of a 1939 Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden. What actually unfolded was one of the most patriotic events America has ever witnessed. The evening started off with a bang when comedian Tony Hinchcliffe explicitly stated the Democratic Party is looking “more and more like a P. Diddy party” after Kamala received a wave of “crazy endorsements” from the likes of Enimen, Beyonce, and Lio DiCaprio, and Taylor Swift. In an act of pure bravery, Hinchcliffe took on Hillary Clinton, warning the audience that if he somehow ends up committing “suicide” in the next couple of weeks, “[he] didn’t.” "Hillary Clinton said that this is a Nazi rally here today. Can you believe that?” he asked. The star of “Kill Tony” lamented that Clinton calls Trump “Hitler” when he’s “the most anti-war president of [his] lifetime.” "Let me remind you, Hillary, it was your husband who shot innocent people, or as he called them, interns," Hinchcliffe rebuked. “Yeah, Hillary, I bet you did not see that one coming.” Clip: @CollinRugg
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The speaker believes Travis Kelce might be the next OJ Simpson. The Democratic party is described as resembling a "P. Diddy party." Hillary Clinton allegedly called the event a Nazi rally and was reminded that her husband shot innocent people, referred to as interns. The speaker states that if they commit suicide in 3 weeks, they didn't actually do it. They believe the right candidate is "dodging bullets."
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Speaker 0: I don't know about you guys, but I think that Travis Kelce might be the next OJ Simpson. Feels good in here. The other side's got a lot of crazy endorsements. Swift, Eminem, Leo DiCaprio, Beyonce. Every day, the Democratic party looks more and more like a p.
Diddy party. Oh. Oh, okay. Hillary Clinton said that this is a Nazi rally here today. Can you believe that?
For the most anti war president of my entire lifetime, and she calls him Hitler. Let me remind you, Hillary, it was your husband who shot innocent people, or as he called them interns. Yeah, Hillary. I bet you did not see that one coming. By the way, if I commit suicide in 3 weeks, I didn't.
I mean, it's just obvious to me who the right candidate is. There's a guy out here dodging bullets. It is unbelievable. Right?
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Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) brought major energy, advocating for “safe neighborhoods, good jobs, clean streets” and “a country where you are judged based on the content of your character, not the color of your skin or your political beliefs.” He then issued a stern warning to the illegal immigrants that the Biden-Harris regime allowed to invade the country: “We will return you to your country of origin, not because you're all bad people but because you broke the law." Clip: @BehizyTweets
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Former Democratic congresswoman @TulsiGabbard took the opportunity to issue a grave warning about what happens under a Kamala administration. She explained that a vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for: • Dick Cheney and endless wars • Censorship • Open borders • Economic hardship, high costs, and poverty • Weakening constitutional rights and freedoms
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We stand together as Americans because our rights are under attack. As a lieutenant colonel in the army reserve who has served for over 21 years, I've seen the cost of war. A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney, more war, likely World War 3 and nuclear war. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for a man who wants to end wars.
A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for open borders, where violent criminals and Islamist terrorists are streaming across our borders. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for secure borders. A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for economic hardship, high cost of living, poverty, and homelessness. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for economic prosperity.
A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for censorship and a complete erosion of our constitutional rights. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for someone who will defend freedom. We must send Donald Trump back to the White House to be the 47th president of the United States where we can stand together and make America great again.
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Speaker 0: Join me as I say these words. We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal and that we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As we gather here today on this historic occasion, we stand together as proud Americans in understanding that these very rights are under attack. So we face this historic crossroads where our freedom and our future is in our hands. There's never been a more clear choice in any election in my life, and our ability to live in a truly peaceful and free and prosperous country is on the line.
I love you too. And it is that love, that love that brings us together here today, that love for freedom, that love for our country and love for each other as fellow Americans, as children of god, that compels us to take action to save our country and defend our freedom. Now this choice that we have before us is very personal to me. I'm a lieutenant colonel in the army reserve. I've served now for over 21 years.
I've deployed to different war zones 3 times over that period, and I've seen the cost of war. For my brothers and sisters who paid the ultimate price, I carry their memories and their sacrifice in my heart every day. So this choice that we have before us as Americans is critical. It's important to us. It's important to those of us who serve, who have volunteered to put our lives on the line for the safety, security, and freedom of our country and our people, and it's critical to all of us.
Here is the choice that we have. A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney, and it's a vote for war, more war, likely World War 3 and nuclear war. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for a man who wants to end wars, not start them, and who has demonstrated already that he has the courage and strength to stand up and fight for peace.
Speaker 1: A vote for Kamala Harris is a
Speaker 0: vote for open borders, where known violent criminals and Islamist terrorists are streaming across our borders, placing us at risk. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for secure borders and safe communities and a confidence that he will seek out those who seek to do us harm and get them out.
Speaker 1: A vote for Kamala Harris is
Speaker 0: a vote for economic hardship, high cost of living, poverty, and homelessness, and a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for economic prosperity and opportunity for every single one of us as Americans.
Speaker 1: A vote for Kamala Harris is
Speaker 0: a vote for censorship and a complete erosion of our fundamental and constitutional rights and freedoms. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for someone who will defend freedom and every one of our god given rights that are enshrined in the constitution and bill of rights. So the choice is ours. History will look back on us at this moment for the choice that we make. Did we choose war or peace?
Did we choose poverty or prosperity? Did we choose censorship or freedom? Our freedom and our future is in our hands. We have just a few days left to complete this no fail mission that we have before us to save our country. Nothing short of our future is on the line.
So now just as we've gathered here today in this historic place and this historic time, we will gather together all across this country, people of every race, ethnicity, religion, and creed, to stand together and defend our freedom and ensure our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now is the time for us to send Donald Trump back to the White House to be the 47th president of the United States where we can stand together and make America great again. Thank you so much. Let's get it done. Aloha.
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Another former Democrat, @RobertKennedyJr, described how the Democratic Party is completely unrecognizable from the party it was when his uncle, John F. Kennedy, was president. “I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me,” he lamented. Kennedy explained the Democrat Party: • Ditched peace and constitutional rights for war and surveillance • Sold out the middle class • Sides with the military-industrial complex and CIA • Divides America with identity politics instead of uniting us • Trashes women’s sports by letting men compete • Bowed to Wall Street, Big Tech, and corporate overlords • Brought in neocons and warmongers like Bolton and Cheney • Backed disastrous wars and launched the surveillance state • Pushed Big Pharma's agenda, leaving us with the sickest generation ever • Weaponized federal agencies to crush political rivals • Abandoned public health while chronic disease skyrockets
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I didn't leave the Democratic Party; it left me. It has strayed from its roots of peace, civil rights, and protecting the middle class. Today, it promotes war, censorship, and divides Americans. The party now aligns with Wall Street and big corporations, undermining women's sports and voting rights. Chronic disease is rampant, affecting 60% of Americans, while we spend excessively on healthcare.
We need a president who will restore moral authority, end the warfare state, and prioritize the well-being of our children. We deserve leadership that unites rather than divides, and that addresses corruption in federal agencies. It's time to vote for a candidate who will make America healthy and great again. Let's go to the polls on November 5th and support Donald Trump. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Speaker 0: A lot of people ask me why I left the Democratic Party. And I say, I don't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me. Is it not the party anymore of Martin Luther King, of Robert Kennedy, of John Kennedy? That was the party of peace.
It was the party at of constitutional rights, of civil rights, of freedom of speech. It was the party that wanted to protect and nurture the middle class. It was the party that stood up to censorship, to surveillance, and stood up to the CIA, the military complex military industrial complex, And it was the party that wanted to protect public health and and women's sports. My uncle Ted Kennedy wrote title 9 which protected women's sports in college. It was the party that believed in voting rights and fought for the right of every American to vote for the person of their choice.
Today's Democratic Party is a party of war. It's the party of the CIA. You had Kamala Harris giving a speech at the Democratic Convention that was written by neocons. It was belligerent. Ignatius had talked about the domination of the world by the United States through our weapons of war.
It's the party today that wants to divide Americans. It's the party that is dismantling women's sports by letting men play women's sports. It's the party of Wall Street. It's the party of Bill Gates who just gave $50,000,000 to Kamala Harris. It's the party and that it the Harris campaign is very proud that it received the endorsement of 50 former CIA agents and officers.
And of John Bolton. And of Dick Cheney. These are the people that gave us a war in Iraq. The worst foreign foreign policy catastrophe that's ever happened to this country. These are the people that gave us the Patriot Act that launched the surveillance state.
These are the people that are trying to undermine voting rights in this country by weaponizing the federal agencies against political candidates, including me and Donald Trump and all other political candidates that can't win an election. And instead of bringing in the type candidate who wins the primaries, abolish the primaries, and then pick 2 candidates, anointed them without receiving votes. We don't even know how Kamala Harris received the nomination. And this is the party of Wall Street, of big banks, of big data, of big tech, of the military contractors, and the parties of big pharma, big ag, big food, and big chemicals. It's the party that's given us the sickest children in the history of the world.
When my uncle was president, 6% of Americans had chronic disease, and we spent 0 on chronic disease in this country. Today, 60% of Americans have chronic disease. This is existential for our country. We're spending $4,300,000,000,000 a year. Five times our military budget.
77% of American boys cannot qualify for military service because of chronic disease diagnosis. This is existential for our country. President Trump called me after 3 hours after a shooting, and he said, would I come and sit down with them? And he said to me during that meeting, he said there are some things that we can agree on and some we disagree on, but the landscapes on which we agree are so much larger. He said I wanna end the wars.
I wanna end this surveillance and censorship. I wanna protect the constitution. I wanna protect freedom of stage. I wanna end the surveillance. I wanna end the weaponization of government against American politicians, and I wanna end the chronic disease epidemic.
Now, don't you think that we deserve a president in this country who's gonna restore the moral authority of the United States of America? Yeah. Only you think that we deserve a president who's gonna end the warfare state and rebuild the middle class? Oh, you want a president who's gonna put America first. And oh, you want a president who's gonna protect our children?
And who's gonna protect women's sports? And who's gonna stop dividing this country around long racial lines? And don't you want a president who's gonna end the corruption at the federal agencies, at FDA, at NIH, at CDC, and at the CIA. And don't you want a president who's gonna make America healthy again? And don't you want a president who's gonna make America great again?
And we need to go to the polls on November 5th and vote for Donald Trump. God bless you, and God bless America.
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The crowd went wild when Tucker Carlson issued a stunning rebuke to the ruling class, saying, “You are not better than us. No, you are not smarter than us. No, you do not deserve what you have. You probably stole it.” He explained, “The big lie is that they're impressive. That's what the big lie is that the people in charge have somehow earned the right to rule over you, and they haven't.” “No fair system would make Liz Cheney powerful. No fair system would make Larry Fink rich. No fair system would elevate someone like Kamala Harris to a presidential nomination,” Carlson declared.
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Tucker Carlson spoke at a Donald Trump rally, noting the unusual political alliances forming, such as RFK Jr. speaking at a Trump rally and Liz Cheney aligning with Kamala Harris. He highlighted Trump's courage in returning to New York City despite facing political persecution from its leadership.
Carlson believes Trump will win because his opponents don't understand why people support him. He argues the first reason is that Trump genuinely likes the American people, which they recognize, unlike the current leadership. The second reason is that Trump has liberated people from the obligation to lie.
Carlson claims the "big lie" is that the ruling class is impressive or deserving of their power. He criticizes figures like Liz Cheney and Kamala Harris as examples of undeserving individuals elevated by a rigged system. Carlson concludes that Trump has empowered people to reject this charade and speak the truth.
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Speaker 0: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage, Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I saw the Grateful Dead in this arena in 1987. I was seated right there. How weird. It's it's so it's such an honor to be here, and it's wild.
Just another day following Bobby Kennedy junior at a Donald Trump rally in Madison Square Garden. I mean, what? That's totally normal. Liz Cheney's out there with Kamala Harris, and there's Bobby Kennedy calling to protect women's sports at a Trump rally. It's a realignment.
It's unbelievable, and it the fact that it's here is even sweeter. Imagine if you're and just pause for one moment. Imagine you're Donald Trump. You're from New York City. You become famous in New York City.
You make your fortune in New York City, and all of a sudden, the leadership of New York City decides they're gonna destroy you because they don't like your politics. And so they yeah, boo. Imagine if that were you, though. And they try and take everything that you have. They try and put you in prison.
They try and put your children in prison. If that happened to you, how often do you think you'd be going back to New York City? How about never? And yet he's here. It's like getting thrown out of a bar.
And you think to yourself, well, you know, all my friends are in the bar. And you approach the door, and there's the bouncer, like, you're not allowed in here. But from behind the bouncer, you hear the cheers of your friend. Come on in. And the bouncer hangs his head in shame.
He's embarrassed that he's working for the man trying to keep the most popular person out of the bar, and that's Donald Trump back in the city that produced him with no embarrassment at all in a roomful of his friends. The stones that takes, the bravery that takes is incredible. Donald Trump's gonna win. He's gonna win. I know that that's true.
Why is Donald Trump gonna win? The people he's about to defeat have no idea, and they're panicked. They have no idea why people like Donald Trump. And their first theory was, well, Donald Trump is evil, so half the country's evil also. And that's one of the reasons they spent the last 4 years trying to destroy the country because they're mad at its voters for liking Donald Trump.
How much easier would it have been just to pause for 20 minutes and ask yourself honestly in some silent place, why do people like Donald Trump? And if they had been honest enough to ask themselves that question, they would have come up with the 2 main reasons, and here what they here's what they are. The first reason that people like Donald Trump is because he likes them. That's why. And it's real.
Affection is something you can't fake. I don't care how many times Kamala Harris would tell me she loves me. I don't believe her. I saw her kiss her husband with a mask on. A mask on.
That's her version of love. It's fake. It's not real. They spent 10 years telling you Trump is a hater. Do you feel that on him?
No. You don't. Because it's not there. I've spent a lot of time with Trump, and there's not one moment I've ever been with him off camera where he's spending his time grousing about people he hates, ever. He's talking about the people and the country he loves in his private time.
Trust me. And people know in a country that's been taken over by a leadership class that actually despises them and their values and their history and their culture and their customs really hates them to the point that it's trying to replace them. They know someone who actually has affection for them, and that's Donald Trump. And it's requited. It's requited.
They know. When he goes to McDonald's and serves fries, like, he's not baking that at all. That's why that worked. Democratic media consultants are like, how how is that working? Because it's real.
That's why. And the second reason that people love Trump, and I put myself in this category, it's why I'm here today, is because he's liberated us in the deepest and truest sense, and the liberation he has brought to us is the liberation from the obligation to tell lies. Donald Trump has made it possible for the rest of us to tell the truth about the world around us, and that's the single most liberating thing you can do for people. If you want to enslave people, if you want to degrade them, force them to tell lies, and they have. They force us to lie about everything at gunpoint effectively.
They put people in prison for refusing to lie. And not just the obvious lies that men can become women or Vladimir Putin blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. No. Honestly, he did. January 6th was an insurrection.
They were unarmed, but it was very. Not even the obvious ones, but the big lie. You know what the big lie is? The big lie is that they're impressive. That's what the big lie is.
That the people in charge have somehow earned the right to rule over you, and they haven't, and you know that. These are the single most useless people in the United States. They have no skills whatsoever. They've got 3 quarters of the money, and they didn't earn it. They set up a system precisely for the purpose of awarding themselves wealth and power when it's undeserved.
You look at Liz Cheney and you ask yourself honestly, what skill could she possibly have that allowed her to send 100 of thousands of people to their deaths? Did she earn that? I don't think she did. No fair system would make Liz Cheney powerful. No fair system would make Larry Fink rich.
No fair system would elevate someone like Kamala Harris to a presidential nomination. She's never been accused of doing anything useful. She has precisely no achievements. She's a nominee without getting a single vote. She is a metaphor for the system they created to make themselves rich and powerful, and then they have the gall to lecture you, the people who can actually change a flat tire and repair a power grid, who have useful jobs, who pay your taxes and work 40 hours a week, lecture you that you are somehow immoral.
And Donald Trump has empowered the rest of us through mostly just sticking around in the face of their hate and abuse and persecution. He has given the rest of us the right to call BS on the charade. No. You are not better than us. No.
You are not smarter than us. No. You do not deserve what you have. You probably stole it. No.
You're not gonna bully me into silence anymore. And I can promise you at this point, 9 days out when Robert f Kennedy junior and Elon Musk and Tulsi Gabbard and pretty much every high school senior and college sortie girl in the country has come out finally saying, yeah. I am for Donald Trump, actually. When the entire country has realized there is nothing embarrassing about this, what's embarrassing is to take a perfectly great country and destroy it as they have, I'm not ashamed you should be. At that moment, it's gonna be pretty tough for them.
10 days from now to look in the eye to America with a straight face, it's gonna be pretty hard to look at us and say, you know what? Kamala Harris, she's just she got 85,000,000 votes because she's just so impressive. As the first Samoan Malaysian low IQ former California prosecutor ever to be elected president, it was just a groundswell of popular support. And anyone who thinks otherwise is just a freak or a criminal. At this stage of the game, after 9 years of listening to their lies and finding every single one of them totally false, no, it's not safe and effective, and no, she's not impressive.
It's very hard for me to believe the rest of us are gonna say, you know what, Joe Scarborough, you're right. You're right. She won fair and square because she's just so impressive. I don't think so. And to me, that is liberation.
It's the freedom to say what's obviously true as a free man and not a slave. And I just wanna say thank you, Donald Trump, for that.
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Things got electric when legendary wrestler Hulk Rogan ripped his shirt off and delivered a six-minute speech of pure awesome. “I don't see no stinking Nazis in here! I don't see no stinking domestic terrorists in here!” Hogan observed. “The only thing I see in here are a bunch of hard working men and women that are real Americans, brother.”
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Welcome, Trumpomaniacs, to the house that Hulkamania built! The energy here is incredible, unlike anything I've felt before. This is Donald Trump's house, filled with hardworking Americans. When I hear Trump speak, he sounds genuine and dedicated to the USA, unlike Kamala, who seems scripted and out of touch. She’s responsible for the border crisis and inflation but pretends to be the hero. Trump is the one who can fix our country. After years of sold-out crowds, I finally have the answer: vote for Trump. We need to address the border invasion, inflation, safety, and bring God back into our homes and schools. So, what's the plan? Who's going to make America great again? God bless Donald Trump—he's our next president!
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Speaker 0: Well, let me tell you something, Trumpomaniacs. Welcome to the house that Hulkamania built. You know something? Usually, when I'm in Madison Square Garden, I'm body slamming giants. I'm winning world heavyweight titles, and I'm cracking people over the heads with steel chairs.
And the energy in Madison Square Garden is off the Richter scale. But today, Trumpomaniacs, the energy in here is something like I've never felt. The energy of all these Trumpomaniacs is the most powerful force in the universe. And today, this is Donald Trump's house, brother. You know something, Trump maniacs?
I don't see no stinking Nazis in here. I don't see no stinking domestic terrorists in here. The only thing I see in here are a bunch of hardworking men and women that are real Americans, brother. You know what I hear my president and our president Donald Trump speak? He sounds for real, brother.
He sounds like he has a heart of gold that's all for the USA. But when I hear Kamala speak, it sounds, yeah, it sounds like a script from Hollywood with a really, really bad actress. You know, Kamala is responsible for the border crisis, and Kamala is also responsible for inflation. And then you know something? She acts like she's the victim.
And then all of a sudden, she flips, she flops, she spins and turns it around and acts like she's gonna be the damn hero. But we all know Trump is the only man that can fix this country today. And with Trump as our commander in chief, peace through strength will fix all the problems in the Middle East. No. I've been coming to this building month after month after month, and I've seen sold out crowds over and over again for over 40 years.
And for 40 years, I've always asked the question, what you're gonna do? Over and over and over again. What you're gonna do? Well, today, after feeling the energy in this building, I finally got the answer. And the answer is vote for Trump.
So now I got a couple questions for you. What you gonna do about the border invasion? What you gonna do about inflation? What you gonna do about keeping America safe, brother? And what you gonna do, put by putting God in our homes, in our country, and our schools?
So I guess we're all on the same page. So I got one final question for you. What's you gonna do and who's gonna make America great again? God bless Donald Trump. He's our next president.
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Something remarkable happened when Dr. Phil McGraw risked it all with a surprising speech in support of Donald Trump. He called the Democratic Party a bunch of bullies because they ruin people's careers and shame them to oblivion if they dare support Donald Trump. Tonight, Dr. Phil gave the bully party a big (figurative) middle finger by throwing his support for Trump. “I'm not here just to stand up for Donald J. Trump. Lord knows he doesn't need me to stand up for him. He's tough as an old army boot. He's got lots of enemies, different groups that are scared. And between them, they have impeached him, indicted him, raided him, railroaded him, shot him, and sued him. And where is he? He is still standing. He just keeps on [standing] because he loves this country, too,” Dr. Phil explained.
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I love this country and appreciate everyone here for standing up for it. I'm not just here for Donald Trump; I'm here for those who support him but feel intimidated. Bullying is wrong, whether it's physical, verbal, or through cancel culture. Critics may label Trump a bully, but that's not accurate; it's a debate where he excels. We must push back against intimidation and support each other. We have the right to express our views without fear. Remember, the strength of our community lies in unity and acceptance. Let’s stand together, help one another, and not allow anyone to feel alone or marginalized. Love for America means standing up for all Americans. Let's take action, support our beliefs, and ensure everyone feels empowered to vote their conscience. God bless you and the United States of America.
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Speaker 0: You guys look just like you do when I'm on TV. Except for you. You look a little different. Listen. I love you guys for caring enough about the United States of America to come out here tonight.
Thank you so much for caring enough to come out here tonight. I have to tell you I love this country. I do. I love this country. I I I stand up when our flag goes by.
I put my hand over my heart when they play our national anthem, and I I I'm so proud to see so many people take time out of their day to come out here and stand up for this country. And, and strangely enough, I'm not here just to stand up for Donald j Trump. Lord knows he doesn't need me to stand up for him. He's tough as an old army boot. He's got lots of enemies, different groups that are scared, and between them, they have impeached him, indicted him, raided him, railroaded him, shot him, and sued him.
And where is he? He is still standing. He just keeps on coming because he loves this country too. I can be honest and say I I can be honest because we have free speech in America. I can be honest and say I don't like or agree everything that Donald j Trump does or says.
I mean, come on. Nobody agrees with everything or likes everything somebody else says or does. Right? No human is perfect. We don't strive for perfection.
We strive for excellence. But you don't have to love everything about someone in order to love them. And the last thing he needs is some celebrity endorsement. What the hell do I know? I know I'm no celebrity to begin with, and celebrities don't know anything about policies or politics.
So only difference between me and them is I'm willing to admit it. So why am I here? Well, I'll tell you why I'm here. I'm here to talk to and stand up for the people who have declared their support for Donald j Trump, or they got found out, or they want to do it but they're too intimidated. Because you know what happens when somebody in this country says, hey.
I'm gonna vote Republican. I'm gonna vote Donald j Trump. They get canceled, intimidated, marginalized, excluded, or even fired or boycotted. And you know what that means? In short, that adds up to being bullied.
And now we're talking about something I know a hell of a lot about. Now you're in my wheelhouse, buddy. I may not be an expert in politics, but I am an expert about bullying. And bullying is when you seek to harm somebody, you you seek to intimidate, coerce, cause distress, fear, risk to their well-being, and it can be physical, verbal, relational, or cyberbullying. And it's always wrong.
You said it my friend. It is always wrong when you bully somebody, and that's what's going on. Now let me tell you what the critics are gonna say when they hear me talking about this. They're gonna say, well, now wait a minute. Come on.
Isn't Trump a bully? And let me tell you why the answer to that question is no. Because to be a bully there has to be an imbalance of power, And when there's not, it's just called a debate, and he's just better at it than anybody else. It's called debating. It's called arguing.
It's just it may even name calling, but it's not bullying unless there's an imbalance of power. And whoever he talks to, they've got a microphone. They got on their big boy pants. They got a stage. They got everything else.
He's just better at it. And the same thing is true. When the Democrats or Harris call him fascist, Hitler, racist, misogynist, or crook, is that bully? Well, not really. It's ugly.
But with the first amendment, which we all wanna keep, there's no imbalance of power so it's not bullying. It's just like what he does. It may not be the best use of energy, but when you attack civilians, when you attack a a citizen and you use the power of the Internet to use mob mentality, you incite people to gang up and cause boycotts, then it's beyond ugly. And that's what's happening in this country right now, and that's not okay. There is an imbalance of power there, and it's time that every one of us close ranks.
We have to stop this now. It's time that we push back against cancel culture. It's time that we push back against intimidation tactics, and that is exactly the reason that I launched Merit Street Media, which by the way, we didn't choose the name for that by random. Merit Street Media. This country was built on hard work, added value, and talent, not on equal outcome, not on DEI.
This country was built on hard work, and it needs to continue to be built on hard work. And the legacy media has sold out. The legacy media has sold out. And I'll tell you, one night, I was sitting at at dinner with my wife, Robin, and I was complaining as we were flipping around and listening to the spin spin spin on what supposedly news. And I said, damn.
I'm tired of listening to all this media spinning everything. And without even looking up she said, well, you are the media. Why don't you do something about it? She said, you got bigger ratings than the 4 of them combined. Why don't you do something about it?
Well, as usual, she was right, and that's why I launched the new network because we want people to think for themselves. You guys aren't dumb. You don't need to be told what to think. You just need the facts. And you're here because you have the facts.
Right? You're here because you recognize when legacy media edits answers and gives you what they want you to hear instead of the truth. And when they start editing their candidate's answers, they've lost their moral compass. They've lost their way. And I would love to say it's equal on both sides, but I'll guarantee you when Beyonce, George Clooney, De Niro, and Lizzo come out and say they're for Kamala Harris, When they all come out and say they're for Kamala Harris, did you read anything or hear anything in the media criticizing it?
No. But you watch what happens tomorrow morning when people find out I came here to talk to you. You you say this in Hollywood and all of a sudden you ain't got a job. The problem is I don't need one. I don't need a job because I got you.
And I've got a question for all of us, have we lost our minds? We have the first amendment in America where our government has said we will pass no laws to infringe on our freedoms for religion and speech. So that's the law but we're muzzling each other. What the what what is going on? We have a law that protects free speech so we start taking it away from each other.
Are you kidding me? We can't allow that to happen. We cannot encourage it. And let me tell you something about bullying. Bullies are bad.
Right? Let me tell you what else is bad, bystanders. If you are a bystander, if you are watching somebody get picked on, if you're watching somebody get bullied and you don't do anything about it, you're just as guilty as the bully that's doing to bully you. Am I right? I have talked to so many children in schools that tell me the worst feeling they've ever had is being bullied and feeling alone and abandoned when they are picked on and intimidated, when they wish even one person, either one even one other kid would step up and say, hey, Come sit with me at lunch.
Don't sit in a stall in the bathroom and cry your way through lunch and eat alone. We're not going to let you be alone, and it's the same thing with adults. Adults don't want to be cut out of the herd and feel like they're alone. The number one need in all people is acceptance. The number one fear is rejections and bullies.
They prey on that. We must claim the right to our point of view. We must be critical thinkers, and when you see somebody being picked on then you've got to be willing to step up and say, hey. I'm with you. Don't let that happen.
And you've got to know why you're strong on the issues you're strong on. You got to know why you're strong on affordability, and safety, and security, and the border, and family care for men and women, and law and order, and your core values for your children's education in our military. Know why you're where you are, and when you come to your friends and coworkers being bullied don't be a bystander. Don't be a bystander. You can't let it happen.
When you say you love America, that's a verb. That also means you love Americans. You've got to push back and call out the bullies. You've gotta stand with those that have targets in their lives. Targets if they're picking on them by calling their jobs to get them fired.
Boycotts are kicking them out of their at their jobs at church or their groups at church. I've spent 45 years listening to people, and I was just in North Carolina and after the after the hurricane hit down there. And you know what? I saw neighbors helping neighbors and not one of them ask are you a democrat or a republican. I saw neighbors happen neighbors, and we need to unify this country.
You have the right to vote for who you want to vote for for president, and we need to step up and claim it, and we need to stand with each other. There are so many who want to, but they're bullied so they're afraid to. Let me tell you something. One of the most important days in American history was 9,122,001. Not 911, we all know what happened on 911.
One of the most important days was 9 12 because on 9 12 we all woke up and we were all Americans on 9 12. If you were an American on 912, stand up right now. If you were an American on 912, stand up right now. That's who we were. That's who we are.
And the difference between winners and losers is winners do things losers don't wanna do. And we have to stand proud to help our neighbors who want to vote their conscience and not be afraid. No one should be alone. No one should feel abandoned. No one should have their business boycotted.
If you hear somebody's getting their business boycotted, you should get your friends and make sure their business gets doubled. If somebody pulls their advertising from your friend's business, you should let those advertisers know you're gonna spend the rest of your life making sure that advertiser is boycotted until they do the right thing. You need to let people know this is over in America. We're going to unify this country. We're gonna listen and not be intimidated.
We're gonna go out and lead by example. Let's quit complaining about what is and start doing something about it. If your neighbor wants to vote the other way, say fine. Go vote the other way. I'll love you anyway.
Let's lead by example. If they wanna do it, let them do it. Love them anyway. But as for you, the collective you, I don't want you to just listen and say nice talk, doctor Phil. I want you to march in your life.
I want you to march with your beliefs. I want you to not be intimidated. Don't be stopped and don't just vote. Take 5 people with you. Like I said, the difference between winners and losers is winners do things losers don't wanna do.
And what they do is they take actions toward known outcomes. They deal with the truth. They set goals, and they go after them with passion. And it's time for us to bring it home. It's time for us to bring it home.
It's time for us to be winners, winners, winners, winners. I started by telling you I love this country. I'll finish by telling you I love this country, and I love you for loving this country. God bless you and God bless the United States of America.
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Once @JDVance walked on the stage, he took the opportunity to deliver a seven-minute smackdown on Kamala Harris. “Nine days from now, we're going to tell Kamala Harris, 'You're fired. Go back to San Francisco, where you belong. Get the hell out of the White House!'” he blasted.
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I'm going to discuss Governor Tim Walz and the challenges he faces. He has to convince people that Kamala Harris can fix the problems she has contributed to over the past three and a half years, like the southern border crisis and the affordability crisis caused by her policies. Despite her claims of being a candidate for change, she hasn't provided concrete solutions or acknowledged her mistakes. In interviews, she struggles to articulate her plans and often deflects questions. The American people are aware of her failures. Together, we will support Donald Trump in restoring American prosperity, securing our borders, and protecting our rights. Trump sacrificed his comfortable life to fight for the country, and he remains ready to lead us to greatness again. Thank you all for your support.
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Speaker 0: Now I'm gonna maybe surprise a little bit of the folks in this arena because I'm gonna be a little bipartisan here. I'm gonna talk about governor Tim Walz, and I gotta be honest with you. I feel bad for him. No. No.
No. Well, we ought to spare a prayer for governor Tim Walz because he's got the hardest job in American politics. You you you all can say that. I probably shouldn't say that. But think about our our friends our friend Tim Walz has gotta convince the American people that Kamala Harris is gonna somehow fix the very problem she's been creating over the last three and a half years.
He's gotta pretend that Kamala Harris didn't open up the southern border and let millions of illegal aliens in even though we know she did. He's gotta pretend that Kamala Harris didn't cast the deciding vote on 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars of new spending, which created the worst affordability crisis in 40 years in this country. And he's gotta pretend that Kamala Harris actually has ideas in her head for how to govern the United States of America. Now if you are the praying type, and I imagine a lot of us are, please say a prayer for Tim Walz because they're asking him to do the impossible. Kamala Harris acts like she's the candidate of change when she's been in office for 4 years.
She says she can fix everything, but Kamala, day 1 was 1400 days ago. What the hell have you been doing that whole time? Now my my favorite my favorite Kamala Harris moment is that when somebody asks her for specifics on how she'll make life more affordable or groceries cheaper, she'll say, well, I grew up in a middle class family. You say, Kamala Harris, how are you gonna close down the southern border because for 4 years you've left it wide open? And she'll say, well, I made the hash browns when I worked at McDonald's, and I was pretty good at it.
And anybody with a lick of common sense is saying Kamala Harris, you didn't answer the question. You didn't actually tell the American people how you're gonna fix what you broke. And I gotta be honest with you, even on that McDonald's answer, I'm not sure that she ever worked at McDonald's. In fact, I think our president, Donald j Trump, has probably worked at McDonald's for longer than Kamala Harris has. Now I will say I'm gonna say one thing in Kamala Harris's defense.
She does one thing very well. Look at this. You guys, you weren't ex you weren't expecting me to be so bipartisan, but I will say this for Kamala, that every time she does an interview, I think Donald Trump picks up about a 100,000 votes. Now we're, of course, in one of the proud baseball cities in the United States of America. So you know the problem with a softball interview is that you've gotta be able to hit a softball still, and that's that's the problem with Kamala Harris is I don't think that she could hit a tee ball based on what we've seen over the last couple of weeks.
When she was asked what she would do differently compared to Joe Biden, she said nothing comes to mind. She's running she's running on how she's gonna be different, but she couldn't name a single thing that she would do differently than Joe Biden. Now I will say that could be the Kamala Harris official campaign slogan. Kamala Harris, nothing comes to mind. Now the other day, CNN asked if she had made any mistakes as vice president.
Now here's what she actually said, and I am quoting word for word. She said in my role as vice president, I mean, I've probably worked very hard at making sure that, I am well versed on issues, and, I think that is very important. It's a mistake not to be well versed on an issue and feel compelled to answer a question. Now I have no idea what any of that means, and frankly neither do any of you. None of us know what the hell she says.
Now she may not be able to make she may not be able to name any of her mistakes, but the American people sure can. And non days from now, we're gonna tell Kamala Harris, you're fired. Go back to San Francisco where you belong. Get the hell out of the White House. Now together together, Donald j Trump and all of us as part of this movement are going to unleash a golden age of American prosperity.
We're gonna make life affordable again in the United States of America. We're gonna put the American dream of home ownership within reach for millions of American young people. We're gonna secure our border, and we're gonna keep our families safe. We're gonna protect your right to free speech and religious liberty, and we're gonna do it all thanks to the leadership of 1 man. Now we have to remember, that one man, Donald j Trump, 8 years ago go back 8 years.
He had everything. He had fame. He had fortune. He had family. He had friends.
But he gave up the easy life to save the United States of America. When they couldn't beat him, they tried to bankrupt him. When that didn't work, they tried to impeach him. When that didn't work, they tried to put him in federal prison, and when that didn't work, they even tried to kill him. But as sure as the American flag still waves, Donald Trump still stands, ready to fight, ready to win, and ready to make America great again.
God bless you all. Thank you so much. Let's do it.
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UFC President @danawhite had some equally-harsh words for Kamala Harris. He exposed the Democrats for using the same playbook that they used for Obama in 2008. But there’s just one problem: “She [Kamala Harris] is not Obama, and she is no agent of change,” White explained. “She is the sitting Vice President of the United States right now. What she hopes is that voters will focus on the future because she doesn't want us looking at the last four years to see what we really need to change.”
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We are just 9 days away from a crucial election. President Trump, a resilient and hardworking leader, has proven his ability to build a strong economy, secure our borders, and maintain respect globally. In contrast, the other candidate, the sitting vice president, has failed to face voters and offers vague promises without a clear plan. Under her administration, inflation has soared, illegal immigration has reached record levels, and global conflicts have increased. She has indicated she wouldn’t change anything from the past four years. Hope is not a plan, and real change won't come from the status quo. For true leadership and a return to prosperity, border security, and stability, vote for Donald J. Trump as the 47th president of the United States. Thank you, New York.
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Speaker 0: Ladies and gentlemen, we are 9 days away from the most important election of my lifetime. Stakes have never been higher, and the choice has never been clearer. President Trump and I have been friends for 25 years. I've said this before, and I'm gonna say it again. He is the most resilient, hardest working human being that I've ever met in my life.
I know he's a great leader. This is not my opinion, not my hope. He's proven he can build the strongest economy in American history. He's proven he can secure our borders and keep our nation safe. He's proven to be the strong leader, allies and adversaries alike must respect.
He's proven he loves this country so much, he's literally put his life on the line for it. What has the other candidate proven? She can get your party's nomination without even facing voters. What else? What else can she offer the American people other than vague promises and no plan?
She talks a lot about the need for change and her hope for the future. Hope and change. Does that sound familiar? She didn't use the old Obama playbook, but she's not Obama, and she is no agent of change. She is the sitting vice president of the United States right now.
What she hopes is voters will focus on the future because she doesn't want us looking at the last 4 years to see what we really need to change. We need change from sky high inflation. According to Yahoo Finance, the cost of groceries is up over 25% during the Biden Harris administration. Food is unaffordable for most Americans. That has to change.
We need change from wide open borders. BBC News reports illegal immigration reached record levels since they took office with an estimated 10,000,000 border crossings. That's a 300% increase compared to the Trump administration, and that's not including the unknown millions who cross undetected. That is the record of the other candidate, the borders are of the Biden administration. We change from weak foreign policy.
According to the Institute For Economics and Peace, a nonpartisan think tank, there are think about this. There are more active armed conflicts now than any time since World War 2. Weakness from the Biden Harris administration has invited aggression and conflicts around the globe. When president Trump was our commander in chief, the world was a much more peaceful place. JD Vance touched on this, but I wanna hit it again.
Vice president Harris was asked recently by the objective journalists of The View if there's anything she would have done differently than Biden over the past 4 years. And, again, her answer was there is not a thing that comes to mind. So don't take my word for it. Take hers. She will not change a thing.
Hope is nice, but hope is not a plan. Change is needed, but change won't come from the status quo. And she is the status quo. If you want real change, you'll vote for proven leadership. If you wanna return to economic prosperity, border security, and global stability, you'll vote for the one candidate who's proven he can deliver all of that.
My fellow Americans, if you want what's best for your family and this country, you're gonna vote Donald j Trump as the 47th president of the United States. Thank you, New York. Have a good night.
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The atmosphere became absolutely electric when a stoked @ElonMusk entered the building. Musk roared with a sound that is hard to describe. Whatever it was, it was EPIC.
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Elon Musk is introduced as the greatest capitalist in the history of the United States.
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Speaker 0: Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the greatest capitalist in the history of the United States of America, Elon Musk.
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Musk was asked, “How much do you think we can rip out of this wasted $6.5 trillion Harris-Biden budget?” His response was stunning: “Well, I think we can do at least $2 trillion.”
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I've got one question before I leave: how much can we cut from the $6.5 trillion Harris Biden budget? I believe we can save at least $2 trillion.
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Speaker 0: Alright. I've only got one question for you, then I'm getting out of here because this is your stage. But we set up Doge. Yes. How much do you think we can rip out of this wasted $6,500,000,000,000 Harris Biden budget.
Well, I I think we can we can do at least 2,000,000,000,000. Yeah. Yes. 2,000,000,000,000.
@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊
Musk epically told the packed audience at Madison Square Garden, “We're going to get the government OFF your back and OUT of your pocketbook!” “All government spending is taxation. So whether it's direct taxation or government spending, it either becomes inflation or it's direct taxation,” Musk explained. “Your money is being wasted, and the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is going to fix that.”
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You're being taxed through government spending, whether directly or indirectly, leading to inflation or wasted money. The Department of Government Efficiency aims to address this issue. Our goal is to reduce government interference in your finances.
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Speaker 0: You're being taxed. You're being taxed. All government spending is taxation. So whether it's it's direct taxation or all government spending, it's either it becomes inflation or it's it's direct taxation. Your money is being wasted, and the Department of Government Efficiency is gonna fix that.
We're gonna get the government off your back and out of your pocketbook.
@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VivekGRamaswamy @TulsiGabbard @RobertKennedyJr @JDVance @danawhite @elonmusk “America's not just going to be great. America is going to reach heights that it has NEVER seen before,” @ElonMusk continued. “The future is going to be AMAZING!” The crowd responded with thunderous chants of “ELON! ELON! ELON! ELON!” https://t.co/ygP93jHlJW
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America is poised for greatness, with a future that promises unprecedented heights. The potential ahead is remarkable.
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Speaker 0: America's just not not it's just gonna be great. America is gonna reach heights that it has never seen before. The future is gonna be amazing. No.
@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VivekGRamaswamy @TulsiGabbard @RobertKennedyJr @JDVance @danawhite @elonmusk To this, Musk replied, “You guys are AWESOME!” before joining them in patriotic chants of “USA!” https://t.co/T4gdzAsV2U
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You all are amazing! This positive energy truly embodies what America stands for. USA! USA! USA!
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Speaker 0: You guys are awesome. Honestly, this is like What? Yeah. I mean, this is this is, like, this is the kind of positive energy that America is all about. Yeah.
USA. USA. USA. USA. USA.
Woah. Yes.
@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊
Musk then urgently called on every freedom-loving American to vote and encourage their friends and family to do the same, aiming for a margin of victory “so big that you know what can’t happen.” He called on voters to deliver a “massive overwhelming sweep of every swing state. And even some of the states that aren't people don't think are swing states. “Massive, crushing victory,” Musk reiterated. “Get everyone, friends, family, people on the street [to vote]. Put the signs up; put the hat on. Let's go!”
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We need to rally support for President Trump. It's crucial to encourage friends and family to vote. Early voting is important, and we will provide a scorecard to track early votes by state and county. The goal is to create a significant margin of victory, ensuring a decisive win in swing states and beyond. Get involved—put up signs, wear hats, and spread the word. Now, I’m honored to introduce the First Lady, Melania Trump.
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Speaker 0: Now I I have, I have something I wanna ask you to do, though, because, obviously, we're we're somewhat preaching to the converted in this stadium, but there's a lot of people out there who who who need to vote for for president Trump. Okay? So the like, this is a real battle. This is a real election battle, so you need to get friends and family to to vote. Make sure they vote.
Vote early. This is important. We're we're gonna be putting up a scorecard. Okay? An early vote scorecard, state by state, county by county.
What is the scorecard? Vote early. Vote now. Yeah. Make it make make the the the margin of victory so big that you know what can't happen.
Massive, overwhelming sweep of every swing state, and even some of the states that aren't people don't think of swing states. Massive crushing victory. Get everyone, friends, family, people on the street. Put the signs up. Put the hat on.
Let's go. And with that, it is my, honor to introduce the first lady, Melania Trump.
@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊
The night ended with a cliffhanger when Donald Trump announced that he and Representative Matt Gaetz (R-FL) have a “little secret” that’s going to have a “big impact” on the election. "Our little secret is having a big impact... He [Gaetz] and I have a secret. We'll tell you what it is when the race is over," Trump teased. On the edge of his seat, popular 𝕏 influencer @BehizyTweets wrote, “I've never wanted to know something more in my life. What could he be referring to?”
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We need to focus on getting the senators elected, as we have a good chance of taking the Senate. Our strategy is making a significant impact on the House as well. We have a secret that we believe will help us succeed, and we’ll reveal it after the race is over.
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Speaker 0: We gotta get the senators elected because we can take the senate pretty easily. And I think with our little secret, we're gonna do really well with the house. Right? Our little secret is having a big impact. He and I have a secret.
We'll tell you what it is when the race is over.
@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VivekGRamaswamy @TulsiGabbard @RobertKennedyJr @JDVance @danawhite @elonmusk Thanks for reading! If you enjoyed this post, please do me a quick favor and follow (@VigilantFox) this page before you go. In case you missed it, check out the highlights from Trump’s earth-shattering interview with Joe Rogan. https://t.co/HQKXcKcuFR
@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊
Jaw-Dropping Rogan-Trump Interview Crushes Kamala Harris Campaign The full three-hour talk summarized in less than 10 minutes. 🧵 THREAD https://t.co/PbyZ5E5Kd6
@TulsiGabbard - Tulsi Gabbard 🌺
Here’s what they DON’T want you to know about Trump https://t.co/3hDc0JUtLn
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I joined the Democratic Party over 20 years ago, but I left because it no longer defends free speech or represents the values of freedom and liberty. Today, Americans feel they must self-censor, and we are closer to World War III due to the current administration's foreign policy. Many Americans struggle to afford basic necessities, yet the administration claims that "Bidenomics" is working. This election isn't about left versus right; it's about choosing freedom over tyranny. I endorse Donald Trump because he embodies the party of the people and has the courage to confront corruption. A vote for Trump is a vote for a welcoming party, secure borders, and peace. Now is the time for all Americans, regardless of political affiliation, to unite and save our country. Thank you.
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Speaker 0: Tulsi Gabbard. Aloha. I joined the Democratic party over 20 years ago. I was 21 years old in Hawaii. And at that time, it welcomed people from all different backgrounds, different views, celebrated free speech, and and actually defended those whose speech was being attacked even if they disagreed with their views.
It was a party that stood up for the little guy and represented our values of freedom and liberty in America. I left the Democrat party because now it stands for the exact opposite of all of those things. Free speech is not an absolute. Social media sites, they aren't speaking to millions of people without oversight or regulation, and that has to stop. I never would have imagined as an American and as a soldier that we would live in a country in my lifetime where we would feel like we have to self censor what we say, that we couldn't criticize our own government for fear of them labeling us as a domestic terrorist.
We are closer to the brink of World War 3 and nuclear war today than we ever have been before directly because of the Harris Biden administration's foreign policy. Too many Americans are struggling just to afford the basic necessities of life. No matter how many times we've heard Kamala Harris and Joe Biden over these last 4 years tout and celebrate how Bidenomics has been great for America. America's economy is strong.
Speaker 1: Polls consistently show that a majority of the American people disapprove of the president's handling of the economy. Guess what? It's working.
Speaker 0: Over half of Americans earning a 6 figure salary report that they're actually living paycheck to paycheck. Bionomics is working. It is actually working.
Speaker 1: The number of homeless people on the streets and in shelters across the US increased significantly this year.
Speaker 0: Bionomics is working. It's almost as though they're speaking from an ivory tower saying how great they are and patting themselves on the back while people are struggling for crumbs on the streets. This election really isn't about the left versus the right. It's about choosing. We, the people, choosing our government and the choice between freedom versus tyranny.
Speaker 2: The Department of Defense under Biden's authority quietly codified its right to deploy lethal force against its own citizens on American soil.
Speaker 0: I'm proud to endorse Donald Trump in this election because he is our best hope, specifically because of the leadership that president Trump has brought to transform the Republican Party and bring it back to the party of the people, the party of equality, the party that was founded to fight against and end slavery in this country. It is the party of common sense and the party that is led by a president who has the courage and strength to fight for peace. Mister Trump became the 1st sitting US president to ever set foot inside North Korea yesterday. And this is why they will do everything possible to try to destroy him because this man has the courage to take them on and root out the deep rot of corruption in Washington. My message to my fellow Americans, regardless of your political affiliation, now is the time for us to stand together to save our country.
A vote for president Trump is a vote for a big open tent party that welcomes people from all backgrounds and all walks of life. A vote for president Trump is a vote to express our deep love for our country and our appreciation for our god given rights and freedoms enshrined in the constitution. A vote for president Trump is a vote for secure borders and safe communities, and a vote for president Trump is a vote for peace here in America and around the world. Thank you so much.
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@farzyness - Farzad
Full interview: https://t.co/inoJEKkDHi
@Destiny15_FL - Destiny
Reporter tried to bait Vivek Ramaswamy and he shut her down with more than she asked for. This is incredible to watch!!!!! https://t.co/yeFAxSxuGw
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I condemn vicious racial discrimination in this country, but I refuse to engage in your divisive games. The real issue is that discrimination exists in various forms today, and the solution is simple: stop discriminating based on race. Unity can only be achieved by treating everyone equally, regardless of their background. Many people, regardless of race, are eager for a revival of unity, but your approach has only deepened national divides. Instead of playing into your narrative, we need to hold the media accountable for its role in this division. Rebuilding trust requires honesty and responsibility, and I won't participate in this flawed game.
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Speaker 0: Can't say that you can do white supremacy. I'm not I'm not gonna recite some catechism for you. I'm against vicious racial discrimination in this country. So I'm not pledging allegiance to your new religion of modern wokeism, which actually feeds fits the test. I'm I'm not gonna bend the need of your religion.
I'm sorry. I'm not asking you to bend the need of mine, and I'm not gonna bend the need of yours. But do I condemn vicious racial discrimination? Yes. I do.
Am I gonna play your silly game of gotcha? No. I'm not. And, frankly, this is why people have lost trust. And I know you're gonna go print the headline tomorrow.
I already know this. We already know how your game works. Vivek Ramaswami refuses to condemn white supremacy because you asked a stupid question. The reality is I condemn vicious racial discrimination in this country, but the kind of vicious and systematic racial discrimination we see today is discrimination on the basis of race in a very different direction. You wanna know what the best way is to end discrimination on the basis of race?
Stop discriminating on the basis of race. Do that, and we're gonna move this country forward. And I don't care whether you're black or white or brown or anything in between. That's how we're gonna unite this country. You people have been responsible for dividing this country to a breaking point, creating a projection of national division.
I meet people from the south side of Chicago to meetings like this one of every shade of melanin, multiple from man to woman doesn't make a difference, who are hungry for reviving unity in this country. And you with your catechism that you try to get this politicians to whatever fake headline you're gonna print on the basis of this conversation tomorrow, that's what's dividing this country for a break to a breaking point. Shame on you. Look people in the eye and tell them what you've actually failed to tell them for the last 5 years. Own the accountability for your own failures as the media.
That's how we rebuild trust in this country. And until then, I don't have a lot of patience to play the game.
@evitaduffy_1 - Evita Duffy-Alfonso
The Trump the corporate press doesn't want you to see https://t.co/7yDEzvKHKE
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Hey, come here for one more! You're such a big girl. Alright, on the count of three, big smile! Okay, honey.
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Speaker 0: Beautiful. Hey. Wait. Come here. One more.
Oh, she's such a big girl. Alright. And in 3, 2, 1. Big smile. Okay, honey.
@ScienceGuyPhD - Science Guy PhD
An interesting Tucker Carlson interview with previous Trump Chief Strategist Steve Bannon ! https://t.co/GYYQJ8Hfbv
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Tucker Carlson discusses his concerns about potential US involvement in another Middle Eastern war, particularly with Iran, and the forces driving this push. He criticizes media outlets like Fox News for promoting such conflicts, despite claiming to like the Murdochs personally. He believes a war with Iran would undermine Trump's domestic agenda and fears the US is sleepwalking into a larger conflict.
Carlson expresses frustration with the political system, which he feels is ignoring the will of the American people and is being influenced by a "deep state" that has existed since the Kennedy assassination. He suggests Trump should resist being "bum rushed" into a war and prioritize American interests. He also accuses some individuals and groups of misrepresenting Trump's motives regarding peace in the Middle East. Carlson emphasizes his desire to avoid becoming consumed by hate or obsession with the topic, but feels compelled to speak out due to his concern for the country's future.
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Speaker 0: We've got Dee Tucker Carlson in the war room. Brother, thank you. It's good to see This is by the way, you were here years ago, Andrew Breitbart. When Andrew Breitbart lived here, you were up at the top.
Speaker 1: I was joined the day it opened,
Speaker 0: and Yes.
Speaker 1: It looks exactly the same. I can't believe you're still here. I mean, that was fifteen years anyway.
Speaker 0: Fifteen years. So 02/2011, fourteen years going on fifteen to ten. Crazy. I know since you left DC, you're you're very hesitant to spend a lot of time here. Yes.
This is you're not you're this is not your favorite town anymore.
Speaker 1: I spent my whole life here. I have family here. I have close family here, so I I come back to see them, but not not very often.
Speaker 0: Why are you in town? You're gonna spend a couple days in town, which is quite
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing various people. The president's gone, but I'm seeing a bunch of people and, you know, there's a lot going on and I feel like there aren't many people representing the, hey, let's have less violence and focus on America side of things. So it's worth coming just to say that out loud. Of course, you're hated for it. It's crazy how the people who are against killing are the criminals all of a sudden.
It's wild. And I thought the other day, you know, this is accelerating and I was hearing all this, you know, I'm going to war with Iran and I was the party was like, oh, we're not really gonna do that. After we have this election whose core point was, hey, can we just pay attention to this amazing nation that we have that's suffering and people are taking loans out to buy groceries? And, like, we need attention and money. Micropayments.
Speaker 0: They they buy now and they pay micropayments over time Food. For food.
Speaker 1: For food. But, hey, let's pay for somebody else's missile defense. No. So I I start to think I start to hear this stuff and I'm like, this can't be real. But then it's it becomes obvious to me that it is real.
And I think that is the last conversation I wanna be part of. I have zero interest in this conversation at all. I know it's all downside for me. It's like I'm gonna get, you know, rich and make more friends trying to stop
Speaker 0: But why why why why is the the the argument that you're making I'm making a slightly different argument, but it's trinity. Why are you being vilified? So maybe we just had Tom Cotton. We played clips before he got here. We had Mark Levin, Tom Cotton, we had BB.
BB said last night to Brent Baer, oh, it's twelve to thirteen months away from you know, we're supposed there was supposed the bomb was supposed to be on Friday or Saturday. Now he's telling Brent Baer on Sunday, really, we got intelligence, but it's twelve to thirteen months away, which is something they've been saying forever.
Speaker 1: Why funny that Beebe's more honest about it than than his water carriers here in The United States. Like, you would never get Barry Weiss or Tom Cotton to admit that.
Speaker 0: Well, Tom Cotton took a shot. He said the, you know
Speaker 1: He's mad at BB now. BB's No. No. No. He took a shot.
Took a He's
Speaker 2: not from Israel enough.
Speaker 0: He took a he took a shot at the same podcasters and influencers, right, or don't have the accountability, the responsibility here.
Speaker 1: You know, yes. I I really try I've spent a lot of my life being cruel and really cruel, and I'll have to answer for that someday and at times dishonesty. What do
Speaker 0: you mean cruel?
Speaker 1: Just going after those weaknesses. No. That's my instinct always. I mean, I grew up as a debater and I'm nasty in some ways. And so I look at some of the players in this whom I've known since they got to Washington, since, again, I'm from here.
I had breakfast at the Metropolitan Club this morning, alone. And, no. This is like my city. Right? My dad worked for the government.
This is where we're from. And and I look at these people who I've known since they, you know, came in from the provinces, including the senator you mentioned, who's from a state I used to live in. And, you know, you could really be mean about it, and they are mean. You know, they've attacked my family and all this stuff a lot. But I'm trying not to respond that way.
My interest is really simple. I don't want The United States enmeshed in another Middle Eastern war that doesn't serve our interest. I saw that last time. I covered that war. I had a friend killed in that war.
Speaker 0: Talk about Iraq because Iraq is saying some of the same voices at the Fox platform who was so
Speaker 1: You know, the Fox platform is just it's so disgraceful. What's you know, there's so many good people at Fox. I worked for the Murdochs for, you know, all in over twenty years. I always liked them. I like them now.
I'm not attacking them personally and tons of people at Fox are my friends. And I there's a lot about Fox that I love, and they were kind to me, always. Even when they fired me, they were nice. I just wanna say that. But the one theme that runs longitudinally through the history of Fox is the promotion of wars that don't help The United States.
And I don't know is why is that? It's the owners are committed to that vision, and, and they are elaborately polite, nice people. You know them, Rupert and Laughlin. I mean, they were sitting here. There's no chance you wouldn't like them, and they're interesting, and they're smart, and they're just nice.
They're super nice, but we disagree fundamentally on that. And the claws really come out at moments like this. You know, most of the time, it's, you know, it's fine. But when it really comes down or when it's a question of whether US military power will be exerted on behalf of a foreign country thousands of miles from here, they are all in and anyone who stands in the way will be destroyed. I don't think it's personal, by the way.
I like Tom Cotton. I always like Barry Weiss. Barry Weiss is very charming person. I like all these people. I always like Mark Levin.
Like, I got along with him. I mean, he's blowhard, sad personal life and all that, but I I was never mad at Mark Levin or Hannity. I like Brilliant
Speaker 0: brilliant constitutional guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There there are great things about all these people. I don't think they hate me personally. They know I'm not working for Qatar. I feel like maybe I should be working for Qatar.
Like, what the hell at this point? I've never taken a dime from any foreign country or anybody, actually.
Speaker 0: In fact, you just bought out I think it was announced you bought out your investors.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Not a money guy. Mean, they're projecting. If you could see my house, like, I've made more money than I deserve, but I've not gotten rich. And I don't live like a rich person.
Everyone knows that. They're money people. That's why they're projecting or they're people with opaque motives. My motives are I'm, like, autistic about my whole life. I just I'm totally happy to tell you why I'm doing what I'm doing and I wanna be transparent and I think pretty much I am.
They're the ones who have these weird complex motives and so they project onto everyone else the same. Oh, you're getting paid by somebody. You you're not sincere. You don't really think that you're saying it in order to get clicks or it's also dumb In my case, untrue. You may dislike my views and you may have good reason to dislike my views and I understand that.
But they're totally sincere. Anyway, my temptation in a moment like this is to go low and to note that a lot of the people pushing for this stuff have really empty tormented personal lives. That's true of many in Washington. And that this is a way to kind of feel powerful. I mean, nothing makes you feel more powerful than killing other people.
That's the ultimate power. And and we talk so much about money and sex and those are drivers of human behavior. Of course, those are powerful impulses in people to accumulate more of both. But really, the ultimate power, the Promethean power, the core power is the power to kill. And when you deny that to people or you seek to deny that to people or you raise the point that actually you can't kill people and that when you do, you will suffer for that.
As you said the other day and I and I just I loved it. I meditated on it in That moment in Matthew, and it's not just in Matthew. It's in John. It's in a number of gospels where Jesus scolds Peter for raising the sword in his defense. They're they're hauling off Jesus to torture him to death for no reason.
All he did was heal people. And his closest disciples seeks to defend him with violence, and Jesus scolds him and then gets hauled off
Speaker 0: to a They torturous could have made a break. They would would have stood up, and Jesus wouldn't have been seized, and it had all gone on. But he told him right there, live by the sword. Die by
Speaker 1: the scolds him. It's unbelievable. He's mad at Peter. It's just incredible. Anyway, whether or not you believe in Christianity, whether or not you're a Christian, it doesn't matter.
It is true that people who espouse violence suffer in the end. They do. I have seen it a lot. And I grew up in a world that have espoused violence. That's what the US government does.
My dad was involved in it. And I just I just believe that. And maybe you don't believe that. That's fine. That is my core belief.
I I sincerely think that. But why the hate towards someone who's just like, hey, I I'm not I'm hard if you think and I said this to an Israeli official. If you think I'm anti Israel, man, you are you have lost the plot, son. If you think I'm your enemy, not at all. I like Israel.
Are you kidding? I've spent a lot of time there. I continue to like it. I pray that Jerusalem is not damaged. I feel so sad for the Israelis who've been killed in the last couple days and the Iranians who've been killed in the last couple days with nothing to do with any of this.
But the point is, if you think that saying, hey, let's focus focus on my country where I was born, where my family's been for hundreds of years, that was the promise of the last election, please do it. If you think that's hate, you know, you've really lost perspective, I guess is what I would say. But they do think it's hate and I've and what's happened is what I knew it happened, which is just like, oh, attacks I don't wanna deal with that are affecting personal friendships that I care about. The viciousness and the dishonesty is almost unbelievable. Anyway, not to whine.
I never whine about stuff like that. It's just that I knew this was gonna happen. I didn't wanna talk about it at all. I'd much rather talk about immigration. I'd much rather talk about keeping the dollar stores out of rural America.
There are all kind I'd much rather talk about people taking out loans to buy groceries. These are the declining life expectancy in this country. Fentanyl? I mean, someone else I know just died of fentanyl last week. It's like all of that is now ignored because a leader of a country who does not have majority support in that country, probably 30% support, wants a course of action that includes The United States.
And I just disagree. And, anyway, I think it's gonna happen. I don't know, here's what I
Speaker 0: You you think that do you think we're enjoying the combat offensive combat opera? Well, we have to we have to we can't assume that we have
Speaker 1: to stop the product of, like, look
Speaker 0: We have to stop that.
Speaker 1: You've actually helped run the governments. I don't need to tell you. You've been there. Decisions like this are never explicitly made. They just sort of happen.
Yes. Sort of like living with your girlfriend. Like, you you you know, you wake up hungover one morning and she's there, and then she just kind of doesn't leave. And then next thing you know, you get married and have kids. Like, that's how most people make decisions, just sort of on the basis of facts on the ground.
And these things move inexorably toward what they're moving to now, which is full scale war that includes lots of other countries, either explicitly or not, but the effect is the same. It's a world war. It's a war in which the world is participating.
Speaker 0: Well, we're we're I think we're in the kinetic part from Ukraine, but today, they just moved the carrier battle group from the South China Sea. The Nimitz is heading toward the North Arabian Sea. So they're they're they're they've got the the the tankers have flown over there. So we're prepositioning the assets Of course. To get involved.
And you think that this is gonna happen. There's no way we can stop it.
Speaker 1: It's too I mean, I think there are ways to stop it. Oh, you are such a nice person. Sorry. I needed the sacred beverage. No.
Of course, there are ways to stop it. It's just that unless you take it's like gaining weight, which I have, you know, lived with. It's like unless you are a crazy person devoted to being thin, you will get fatter in your fifties. Like, you have to take active steps to prevent the inevitable, something that is inevitable otherwise. And in this case, what's inevitable absent those active monomaniacal steps toward preventing it is is a is a much larger war.
It's too easy to pull The United States into. Have too many assets in that region. We're too dependent on the energy from that region. International oil markets are mean, there's so many things that could go wrong, actually. It's horrifying as the the exchange between Israel and Iran has been.
Horrifying in the sense that innocents have died, which, let me remind you, is horrifying always and everywhere.
Speaker 0: No. Have to believe that. Tehran's got hit. Civilians are dead.
Speaker 1: In both places. Right. And if we don't think that that's sad, then we're not fully human. Like, you have to believe that's sad and you have to really mean it. Whether or not, you know, you can hate the Iranian government.
I'm not for the Iranian government. But if you don't see the death of innocence anywhere is sad, then you are gravely diminished, certainly as a Christian. Hey, whatever. But there are so many ways to pull The United States into this, and the incentives to pull The US in are so profound. I guess, if I could just say one political thing, the watching Donald Trump, who, of course, you know very well, who I think at core is sincere about peace.
Oh, big time. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. Big time.
I mean, that's that's real. Watching him done so wrong, the lies, oh, he knew all along, you know, that the peace process was fake. Steve Witkoff was playing along. That is a lie. That's a lie.
I know. That's a lie. Those guys meant it.
Speaker 0: Bald faced lie.
Speaker 1: It's a total lie. And all these people that that Mark Levin and and all of the minions who are running cover for a foreign government, they're all telling that same lie. And I just I feel for president Trump, and I think I don't know this. I'm just guessing. But at this point, I feel like he just has to kinda roll with it.
You know, what do you say? You can't you don't wanna get in an argument about that right in the middle of a war.
Speaker 0: No. I think he reiterated last night that we gotta get back to the peace part. They gotta lay down the
Speaker 1: lying about him. He sincerely even now, he sincerely believes whether he's right or or not, I I can't say. But that this could be a predicate to a peace deal, what we're seeing now. He really thinks that and wants that, and the and the other side is just like, no. We a peace deal is the world.
Speaker 0: It's the other side, but the other side also has app the apparatus here. This is
Speaker 1: what happened in The US.
Speaker 0: When Ukraine attacked when Ukraine attacked, we still haven't asked Ratcliffe. Was the CIA involved? That is zero probability Ukraine could attack that deep into Russia Exactly. With without without some involvement. Here, the exact same thing.
Why was Tulsi Gabbard not invited to the Camp David meeting all day? You know why? Why Tulsi Gabbard still to the American public is is has said the last public statement is that the the program was not back up and running. And now we have from from Beebe by himself on Fox by Brent Bear that the thing was twelve to thirteen months away. It wasn't this weekend.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 0: And this is by his own thing. And we also know that it was a decapitation. As we said on Friday, it wasn't just about the nuclear program. It's a decapitation of total leadership. So this is a total regime change, which, by the way, you may have a plan for regime change is fine, but you gotta bring the American people on.
Let me go back.
Speaker 1: I by the way, I said that publicly last week. This is the point of this is regime change. I know everyone involved. I know I'm I'm telling the truth. I have no weird motive here at all.
I don't need Israel. Let's have a rational conversation about what our aims are here, and maybe you can convince me that we need to support a regime change war in Iran. Tell me how that plays out in a country of 90,000,000 people. Have you thought it through? Do you even care?
And the answer is no. We have a economic and political and demographic crisis in Europe because of US backed, Israel backed
Speaker 0: Syria.
Speaker 1: Wars Yes. In The Middle East. That's what's destroyed Europe where my ancestors came from. And I I spend a lot of time there, and I love European culture, which is Christian culture. And it's destroyed that.
And, you know, shut up. You're not allowed to care. Who's making the rules here? You know, I I don't hate anyone. I don't see conflict with anyone at all.
I have no weird biases. All my biases are out in the open. And but I I I really resent being told who my enemy especially with foreigners. Some foreigner shows up and tells you who your enemies are? Really?
I've been here a long time. I live across from my parents' graves. You can't tell me who America's enemies are. At least I have a right to weigh in on that also. Oh, shut up, says Mark Dubowitz or something.
It's like, you are you even
Speaker 2: from here? What do you who are you anyway? This is so bonkers.
Speaker 1: I don't hate Mark Dubowitz. I don't hate his agenda. What I hate I disagree with his agenda. I'm not mad at him. I'm not mad at any of these people fundamentally.
But what I seek is an honest, open, transparent conversation about what we're doing and why. And I don't think that's too much to ask for considering it's my tax dollars and my money that you're seeking to use to achieve it. If that's radical, then, you know, we've distorted the terms beyond recognition.
Speaker 0: If you look at the debt, $9,000,000,000,000 associated with Iraq and Afghanistan. I wanna go back to Iraq. We played on Friday. We did the whole opening thing of the bombing, everything going everybody on TV beating their chest because at that time, it looked like Israel was telling, hey. This thing's over now.
People jumping in. And we finished with shock and awe from February. And I said, hey. Look. If you go back in that time, they're all beating their chest then in the march up country to Baghdad, and they couldn't be better.
Remember, they're throwing roses on the ground, all that. And it was twenty years later, a complete fiasco because it's always a law unintended consequences. That's what we face here. This thing has not been thought through. Right?
It does not have the commitment of the American. We have to bring the American people. The American people are not there to get into another war right
Speaker 1: now. And why is the congress not actively debating this? There's one person. Marjorie Taylor Greene is, like, the only oh, and now Levin says this morning, she's not MAGA. Okay.
Alright now. Now we're really in the last scene of Animal Farm.
Speaker 0: No. She she's just she's just some tiny congressman from rural Georgia.
Speaker 1: She's some liberal from Suburban Atlanta. I mean, it's also mind bending. And I have to say, you know, the the level of unanimity, the sort of instantaneous response from 535 members of congress that we're gonna do this one thing, No debate. Anyone who says otherwise is evil. It does make you wonder, like, what is this system?
Are you an appeaser?
Speaker 0: You've been called now an appeaser? An appeaser? What? And a pacifist.
Speaker 1: Right? A pacifist.
Speaker 0: Why why why have they thrown what have both Well, they're literally a fact
Speaker 1: that my family
Speaker 0: What have you said here in the last seventy two hours as a factual matter that would make you an appeaser
Speaker 1: and make you American above all. I am not a genius. I'm not a prophet. I've been wrong many many times, and I it's possible I'm wrong now, but my motives are transparent. I love this country.
Have nowhere else to go. I don't I will not go anywhere else, and I just want what's best for it. We can debate what's best for it. But to tell me that I'm working for a foreign nation is like by people who are literally working for foreign nations, it's like so nuts. I will say this.
Our political system is paralyzed in the face of this completely. It's not doing what it was designed to do, which is channel the views of the people through the apparatus of government. It's not doing that at all. It's short circuiting and ignoring their opinions. And you have to kind of wonder why, and I don't fully understand it.
I know that our system is not working, and I don't think there's any country in the planet looking at us saying, oh, I want that system. Oh, wow. That version of democracy, I think What if
Speaker 0: look at Trump as that trade deals to bring jobs back, seal the border, and deport the illegal aliens, and no more forever wars as the basic planks in November of last year that won Yes. I wanna speak with back. It it is at least working at that level that the message can get out, and we have a new coalition. We have African American men, Hispanics, families, know, Star County, Texas, the the most Hispanic county in the country, 97% hard bitten, blue collar Hispanic citizens. We lose by to Hillary by 60 points.
Trump wins in November by 16 points. It's coming our way in this new coalition. Incredible. Including even the summit, and I get limited appetite from even the tech bros in that crowd. It's a new coalition like 1932, right, where FDR had professors at Harvard and cracker democrats down down South and ranchers out West and and people in inner cities and Irish and Italians and all that.
A new coalition that could govern for
Speaker 1: fifty years.
Speaker 0: One one one. But it's something that could govern for fifty years. That's out. Now we're into the governing of it where those are the priorities. And particularly, president Trump has now tripled down with the ice raids and saying, hey.
These sanctuary cities are gonna go. We're gonna get these people out of here. That to me is the top battle in this third world war. That we've had 10,000,000 illegal aliens just on Biden's watch. Is it not able to go able to win elections, but not able to govern?
Is that the issue?
Speaker 1: You know, I really don't know. I I there's something really wrong. There are certain red lines that you can't cross, and and they're almost all foreign policy related. I do think that, you know, the people pushing hardest for American involvement in a war with Iran really hate Trump's domestic agenda. Mark Levin was a never Trumper in 02/2016, of course.
They all do, the Bill Crystals. They all hate what Trump is trying to do in The United States.
Speaker 0: Which is populist economics. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They hate it. They hate it. That's exactly right. Look. We'll see this in the tax bill.
For Trump with Trump. I I I gave up this sounds so whiny, but, like, grouse season, which is my favorite time of year in in October and left my dogs at home suffering. Like, where are you? And I went on the road with Trump, and I loved it. And I was with him.
I was standing right next to him when he won. I have a picture of phone of that, which I would never show anybody else, but I look at it because it was one of my happiest moments. It was the happiest moment in politics and I've seen a lot that I've ever participated in. And look, of course, governing's really hard and you're never gonna do everything you promised you would do, but on the big things, it's really important that they not get totally subverted because it makes people lose faith in the system. And I do think
Speaker 0: But the systems run this is the deep state part of it.
Speaker 1: What is the system?
Speaker 0: We we barely have a grip. We have two good guys. Cash Patel is like a brother to me and Dan Bungino, great guy. We have two people at FBI. We barely have a grip there.
We have a handful of people at justice. We barely have a grip there. We have two people at Ellis and and Radcliffe at CIA. Right? We have a handful of people with with Tulsi.
On the security, we have Christie and and Corey and a couple other people, you know, the home and at DHS, but DHS is still getting people out here the old fashioned way. That's where they're burning through cash. In these central apparatuses of the deep state, we barely have a grip on it, and they're running the deal.
Speaker 1: The Kennedy files out sixty two years later. And by the way, somebody murdered the president of The United States and lied about it for sixty years. Okay? And we still can't get those files. There we there are thousands of documents that have not been released as of today.
And everyone seems
Speaker 0: to All of it related all of it related to somehow CIA activity or CIA suppressing information with the FDA.
Speaker 1: Just CIA. Okay? So until look. We're living in a post coup country. The coup from Everything the that happened After that.
Post 1963. Every elected official, certainly every official elected at the national level lives with that hanging over him. They took out this guy, and whoever did it is so powerful that we can't even know today when John McCone is fifty years in the grave, head of CIA then. Everyone's gone, and we still can't find out exactly what happened today.
Speaker 0: Sources and methods.
Speaker 1: They don't even say that anymore. They don't say anything. They're just like, we released y'all. No. You didn't.
You lie. You lie. I know. I'm from here. I, you know, I I know.
So I do think there's a sense in which some of our leaders feel the presence of a physical threat.
Speaker 0: I don't think that I know it. So Well, to when Trump is a two assassination attempts.
Speaker 1: Well, at least two. And you can't have Not
Speaker 0: from Iran. Two that were Not from Iran and for For BBSA's got two.
Speaker 1: It's That's that's reaching. I mean, I do think that Netanyahu could make his case by telling the truth. I don't think there's any reason to lie. Again, that's a lie. He knows that Iran and then he Brett Bear pressed him and he's like, oh, it's your proxies anyway.
But the but the point is the point is you know, as a high school debater,
Speaker 0: I know how this works.
Speaker 2: Pivot. But the point is over here, it's it's
Speaker 1: a three card money. It's the gypsies. You know? Okay. No.
Iran did not try to assassinate the president during the last election. And by the way, if Iran did try to assassinate Trump and we know that, then why are we not at war with Iran? What are you saying, Bibi? Are you saying that the president of The United States is such a cuck that a foreign country can try and murder him and he won't do anything about it? Is that what you're saying?
I mean, if if the administration believed Iran was behind two assassination attempts against Donald Trump, trust me, We nuked the country. You can't do your own murder an American president. So, we that's not true and everyone knows it's not true. But what is true is that the American president was murdered and we're still not allowed to know who did it and why. And I just think until that is cleared and I've never been a Kennedy obsessive or whatever, not interested in the Kennedys especially.
I'm not I'm not Irish. But as a matter of like governance, how can you have a president or a senator who truly does his best to uphold the core idea of a democratic republic, which is like the people's opinions matter? You can't have that because he's worried about getting killed. That's just true. And nobody says that.
I don't know why don't they say that. Oh, you know. If this were happening in Liberia, you'd be like, it's not a real government because whenever the president try and, you know, strays outside the pre prescribed boundaries, he gets murdered or worries about getting murdered. Pretty much the same thing. You would not describe that as a functioning democracy.
And yet, we just pretend that this is not happening, but it is happening. And, boy, do you see it on foreign policy? It's the only issue they care about. You really think that ended Mark Levin, like, cares how many Somalis are in Minnesota? No.
Not at all. The more the better. What he all he cares about is the projection of force using American service personnel to fight faraway wars that have no material benefit, in fact, massive downside for The United States. That's his whole orientation.
Speaker 0: But why is that the platform of Fox, though? It's just not Mark. So but why is Fox, like, all weekend, it's just cheerly it's the same it's exact you can play side by side Iraq in 2003 Oh, I was there. In here. And and what's happening today?
Why is it that why is this apparatus?
Speaker 1: Well, Levin's the funniest because he's terrible on TV. And, again, I never had any problems with him at Fox. He kinda controls Hannity in this weird way. I never understood what that was about. I never really cared to learn.
Sean was great to me, always nice, and so was Levin. So I just, like, kinda stayed away. But they didn't wanna put him on TV because he's, like, screechy and he's just not a coming president. Michael on TV. Like, oh my unless you're literally floating in and out of consciousness and the attendant has taken the remote to go have a cigarette, you're gonna flip the channel when my Michael Levin gets on TV.
It's like listening to your ex wife screaming about alimony payments. It's like not appealing. So they wouldn't put him on TV and then, you know, Sean pushed and they gave him some kind of weekend show that nobody watched. Now, I don't have a TV, but someone was just who had who owns a TV was just telling me that he's, like, all over prime time. So what is that?
That's not by popular acclaim. It's not like their viewer surveys. Like, you know, we need a lot more Mark Levin. Less Jesse Waters, more Mark Levin. Mark Levin.
Speaker 2: What they're doing is what
Speaker 1: they always do, which is just turning up the propaganda hose to full blast and just trying to, you know, knock elderly Fox viewers off their feet and make them submit
Speaker 0: This is this is where the this is where the population, the voters are ahead of the political class in the media. The American people do not want any more engagement in a foreign war. They just they saw Iraq. They saw Afghanistan. We're just out.
I think twenty
Speaker 1: years racist. I think is that what you're saying? They're just bigots.
Speaker 0: So so so why is why is Fox continue to pound that?
Speaker 1: Because they really really mean it. And you saw they really mean it. I mean, there is a kind of sincerity there that I respect. It's I I don't know why they fired me, but I think it no one ever told me. And I just wanna say for the fifth time, they could not have been nicer when they fired me, and they couldn't have been, you know, more friendly.
I I talked to them recently to the owners recently because I still like them even though we disagree. So I'm not whining about them as people, but I think they can me from Fox or shut down my show because I criticized Zelensky and Zelensky's close to the owners of the company. It's like, well, how did that happen? Why is Zelensky I don't know. I don't understand.
There's a lot I don't understand. All I know is and it's not just Fox News. It's the American media generally. It's it's government institutions. It's this city.
It's the people I used to live next to on Cambridge Road Northwest in DC. They are deadly serious on the subject of projection of force abroad. That is the one they have no sense of hearing about at all. They'll lecture you all day about the gays and the black people and, you know, in this house, we believe in science. They don't give a shit about science or black people or gays or transgender.
What they care about is the projection of force against their enemies on the other side of the globe. That's why the Pentagon has a trillion dollar budget when the country is protected by the Atlantic and the Pacific.
Speaker 0: And and president Trump's strategy is a hemisphere defense. What then are the steps that you're recommending if the if the program is we must take down the deep state or at least make some effort at at it? What would be your recommendation to the
Speaker 1: process? Under control.
Speaker 0: And how would you do that?
Speaker 1: By adding the number of political appointees. You know, I think CIA has know, it's a federal agency whose budget we don't know, of course. And it's not just a federal agency.
Speaker 0: And I say this in all Syrians. The the special government employee where you still had your podcast, you still had your the Tucker Carlson network, would you go assist the president like Elon did with Doge? Would you go assist him to say, hey. Give me a hundred and twenty days. I will give you advice.
CIA? No. I've the whole thing. CIA, Pentagon, DIA, the the DNI, all of it, FBI, DOJ to say, hey. Look.
Here's the battle map. Here's what we have to do, or we're not gonna have we don't really have a constitution republic.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm unable to organize a sock drawer, so I don't think that I have the temperament. I don't think I have the skills for that. I'm doing Do you
Speaker 0: have the insight to do that if you had other people who can organize it?
Speaker 1: Grew up around it. Yeah. I know.
Speaker 0: I know a lot about it. And I think this has to happen. And I'm being some very serious.
Speaker 1: Killed immediately, of course.
Speaker 0: I mean, you think you would be subject to assassination?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I I think that would be perilous. I would do it. I would do look. I feel like what I'm doing now, I love Trump, and I mean that.
I've never Does Trump frustrate you? Of course. I mean, you've you've certainly been through that. But my dog's frustrated. My kid's frustrated.
I mean, you get frustrated when you deal with people you love. But I'm my core feeling about Trump, I think it's obvious in the way I talk about him, and I didn't I don't I don't need any more money. I don't need anything from anybody. If I didn't like Trump, I'd just say so. I actually really love Trump.
I think he's a deeply humane, kind person. And I am saying this because I I'm really afraid that my country's gonna be further weakened by this. I think we're gonna see the end of American empire, obviously. Other nations would like to see that, and this is a perfect way to scuttle the USS America on the shoals of Iran. But it's also going to end, I believe, Trump's presidency and effectively end it.
And and so that's why I'm saying this.
Speaker 0: What do you mean by that? That's that's coming from you.
Speaker 1: That's You get look, I knew Bush. I knew George w Bush. We family connections to Bush. I knew Bush. Personally, I still see Bush sometimes.
And, know, of course, he he hates me and he does because I criticized him on Iraq. And that war is the sum total from historical perspective of his administration. But I knew him and he had all kinds of plans for the things that he wanted to do. But once Domestically. Domestically.
Right. To improve the country. Right. And you may agree or disagree, but like in his mind, he wasn't just about the invasion of Iraq in March of
Speaker 0: twenty He was gonna redo Social Security. He had all his 100%. Aug types of he was gonna take care of the entitlements issue.
Speaker 1: And he really thought it was gonna work. Yep. And you could laugh at that or whatever, but the point is the second you get enmeshed in a real war, not a fake, let's go bomb the villagers and declare success, though we don't even have a good track record. Like, why are the Houthis still there? I mean, there's a whole other question, which is how prepared is the US military for real conflict?
And the answer is totally unprepared. Scary unprepared. I don't think people understand that. But anyway, the only reason I'm saying any of this is because I really, really care. And it's been what a disaster for me personally.
I mean, it's like the last thing I wake up, you know, there are all these texts going, well, I can't believe you're so evil. You hate this and that. I I just wanna restate. I don't hate anybody. And to the extent I do hate people, I try to repent of it.
I don't want to hate anybody. I really don't. I just don't want my country to be further weakened or destroyed by another one of these wars. And, boy, if you can't connect the dots after twenty five years of this shit, you're either too dumb to participate in the conversation or you're, like Mark Levin, just a liar who doesn't care.
Speaker 0: I know you gotta bounce. We're gonna hang up this afternoon. One question. If you were able to see the president in the next couple days when he gets back, what would be the two or three things you would tell him? Mister president, this is my this is my heartfelt advice about where we are right now for
Speaker 1: the country. Because I think I try to speak exactly the same well, you know me. I speak exactly the same in private. I use the f word more. But in in general, I say the same things.
And I would say to him, like, you're the only person who can bring peace. You should continue to try and do that. It's difficult. It takes a long time, but your timetable is the only timetable that matters. Don't get bum rushed.
You don't need to fix this because there's political turmoil in Bibi's coalition. Right. It's not relevant
Speaker 0: to the military. He's at 30% approval is not your problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just because some ultra orthodox party doesn't wanna be conscripted or whatever's going on in Israel, these are long time problems that that country has had. That's not relevant to our plans or to your plans as the leader of the free world. Okay? A.
B, if you get involved in a war that includes American troops and force, if you're lobbying missiles from submarines into Iran
Speaker 0: Or combat sorties. You're doing combat sorties. You're I actually say we're combatant now, but, I mean, you could basically argue maybe not what the air
Speaker 1: defense I just wanna pretend we're not.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Because Yes. Of course, we are. And but I wanna pretend we're not because we're in the final stages of being able to pull back, and pretty soon, there's no pulling back. You know, we're still sending money to Ukraine to fight Vladimir Putin. Like, how did that happen?
It happened because nobody just stopped it. Nobody said, hey, Zelensky. You're not even elected. You're a dictator. Off the stage.
Run to Switzerland. You know? Get out of
Speaker 0: The intelligence services are helping from to plan the 3,000 mile strike into their strategic assets in the country.
Speaker 1: The US services are also fully aware of the many assassinations and assassination attempts against opponents and critics of the Ukrainian regime. Many, including someone I know. So, The U this is super dark, man. The more you know about it, it's like The U The US the IC, American Intel community, is aware that the Ukrainian Intel community is murdering people, including Americans? Like, how can that even happen?
So there's a lot. But the last thing I'll say is the second I've seen it. The second the killing starts, the calculations change. People become much less principled, much less reasonable, much less able to
Speaker 0: see Vengeance and annihilation. And they can't
Speaker 1: see their own interest clearly, and so don't don't go there.
Speaker 0: And you think right now we're on the cusp of that?
Speaker 1: I'm an optimistic man, and I think that we could I think we could pull back. And I I wish the president wasn't in Canada. I don't wish a trip to Canada on anyone because I think it's a really dark country. Hope I he gets home soon because you don't want any of that Canadian to rub off on you while you're there. But, yeah, I mean, I think that this can be can be stopped, but it it it's gonna require a really tough step, which is to say to our client state, we love you.
We wanna help you. We don't think you're acting in your own interest, but, you know, we could debate that. But what we're not gonna do is imperil American national security or the American economy or America itself on your behalf. We're not gonna do that because that's that's immoral for us to do that. Our population doesn't want it and we're saying this with love, but no.
No. As you would say to a child. I mean, you've got a bunch of kids, you say no to them? Of course, do because you love them. It's okay to do that and and, you know, there are proxies in The United States and Barry and that Levin character will jump.
You hate them. Don't hate them at all. I like them. This is crazy. What's the endgame here?
The endgame, of course, is to topple the regime and just have this 90,000,000 person civil war and further destroy Europe and the world. You know, it's like, we're not doing that again. We've already been through this. We're not doing that again. And this is big boy stuff.
This is not Gaza. And I, you know, I never say anything about Gaza because I really try. I'm very offended by it. They blow up a church in Gaza with my money. I'm a Christian.
Like, no. How about no? I said one thing about that, man. I've never heard the end of it. But I've tried to stay away from Gaza, but now we're talking about a huge country.
We're talking about Southwest Asia, one of the biggest energy And and
Speaker 0: and ancient civilization. This is not
Speaker 1: Also, since you're not gonna convince me that the Iranians I don't like I'm not a Shiite. I'm not, like, on the side of the Shiite clerics. I'm a freaking Episcopalian. Settle down. However, you're not gonna convince me that the Iranian people are my enemy.
Again, we're going down this here. Here's who you're required to hate. It's it's Orwell, man. You're not I'm a free man. You're not telling me who I have to hate.
I'll decide who I'd like and don't like on the basis of my values and what I believe my interests are. They spent, you know, five years telling me, Vladimir Putin is your enemy. No. He's not. I'm not mad at Vladimir Putin.
Tell me why I should be. I'm mad at you. You know what I mean? I'm just like whatever. It's all so fake.
I'm not playing along.
Speaker 0: And here, you're gonna be doing interviews to take this actually take it up a couple of notches.
Speaker 1: I really just wanna get away from this topic because it's one of those topics that intersects with a lot of other things. So it's not like Belgium is getting frisky with Liechtenstein and, like, I have an opinion on that. This is a country that's the, you know, the very center of the three biggest religions in the world that is, you know, a Jewish state. So whatever that means exactly. And so it it has an emotional resonance for Jewish people in America, some of whom are my close friends, that is different from any other country.
It's not like, you know, when things happen in Sweden or The UK where my ancestors are from, people aren't quite as emotional. It's very emotional. So, I don't want anything to do with it at all. I don't wanna criticize. Bibi, I don't wanna talk about Gaza.
I don't want look. I feel completely backed into a corner here where it's like we are on the cusp of entering a war on behalf of a political leader in a faraway country that's going to really hurt my country. I've got four kids. I wanna have grandkids. Like, are you even joking?
Stop. And I tried to be, like, quiet about it. I don't I don't wanna get involved in any of this because, again, people are so emotional. How could you I mean, you should see my text this morning. I got threatened by someone this morning, actually, who I
Speaker 0: Threatened as by a friend, a colleague, or somebody that just came and said you're it's too much.
Speaker 1: It's very careless what you said. It's very careless. Careless. I was like, hey, asshole. I know what you're saying.
I got it. Very careless. Anyway, whatever. I don't wanna get I'm not whining. I'm not AOC.
Oh, I'm under such threat. I'm not under threat. I'm but what I'm saying is I don't want to be involved in this at all, and I think most Americans don't. And it's only because We're actually getting drawn into a war. A tiny and by a tiny minority of people, like, know a million people who are pro Israel and Jewish or pro Israel and not Jewish like me.
I've always been pro Israel. Who are like, I don't think this is good. It doesn't like, why do we allow 3% of the participant or the participants in this conversation to define the terms? You know, if you are okay with any, you know, Iranian enrichment at all, you're for the Ayatollahs and you're against Israel. Shut up.
No. I'm not gonna allow you to define the terms. You're a total liar. I mean, these are liars, like, real will say anything. I'm working for Qatar.
Trump was actually pretending to go through a peace process and
Speaker 0: No. That thing was terrible.
Speaker 1: And Steve Witkoff was, like, who I know very well, who's one of the most pure hearted people, whether you agree with him or not. If you're calling into question Steve Witkoff's motives, like, Witkoff doesn't need any of this. He's just doing it because he wants to help. That's it. That's the only he's paying for himself.
And if you're telling me that Steve Witkoff is working for Qatar, that's what set me over the edge because I know Witkoff well and I really love Steve Witkoff and I think he's I agree with him on everything, but I think he's like a decent man who wants what's best for Donald Trump, his best friend, and The United States. And that's enough for me. Like, I see his motive as pure. It is pure. I know him well.
And when they're calling him an anti Semi, it's like so nuts. That's when I was like, ugh, I can't believe I have to get involved in this, but because it's too much. It's just too much. You can't let that go unresponded to you. You have to stand up and say, I'm sorry.
That's just not true. That's a lie and you know it's a lie.
Speaker 0: But you're not gonna back down from this. You're gonna you're gonna I
Speaker 1: wanna back down immediately. I just wanna get away from this. I wanna go back. You know, I'm missing a lot of my favorite things and a lot of my favorite people. I don't wanna argue about Israel of all subjects.
Oh my gosh. And I don't wanna become I'm not gonna become a crazy person or a hater. Part of the dynamic here is you become the things they accuse you of being. Like, I've seen this happen to many people, not many, but I have seen it happen, where they say, you love Putin. That to me for years now.
And then one day you're like, fuck it. I love Putin. Okay. I I just mean, I actually I kind of I think Putin's, an amazing leader. I'm not I've always thought that, but I'm not, like, a close friend of Putin's.
They can drive you to become a worse version of yourself by accusing you of being it. You sort of grow into the attack. And there's no chance I'm not letting that happen to myself. There's just no chance. I'm not gonna become a hater.
I'm not gonna become obsessed with Israel. I just wanna get away from the topic. Lot of other things going on. Just stop trying to drag my country into war. That's it.
Speaker 0: Tucker Carlson, thank you so much for coming by. Good
Speaker 1: to see you.
Speaker 0: I'm just in the neighborhood. Drop by. Tucker and I will be hanging out this afternoon. I guess we'll meet
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm gonna ask you lots of hard questions.
Speaker 0: Lots of hard questions. Hopefully, I have some answers. Let's take a short commercial break. We got a rolling break. Let's go and take a short commercial break.
Tucker, thank you for coming by.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh my gosh. I love it.
Speaker 0: We'll see you here this afternoon. Thank you for remember the old days? The the right party
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The senator supports regime change in Iran via popular uprising, not military force. He defines his foreign policy as a "non-interventionist hawk," prioritizing US national security interests. He opposed military action in Syria and the Iraq War, viewing Iran as different due to its threat to the US.
The senator believes supporting Israel is in America's national security interest, citing intelligence sharing and a commonality of enemies. He acknowledges Israel likely spies on the US, as do other allies. He defends APAC as lobbying for a strong US-Israeli relationship, not for the Israeli government.
He believes Iran is trying to murder Donald Trump and has paid hitmen to do so. He also believes that the US should protect the president and take out our enemies, and that Israel is doing that right now.
He attributes the war in Ukraine to Biden's weakness and the waiving of sanctions on Nord Stream 2, and thinks Zelenskyy is behaving horribly. He thinks blowing up Nord Stream 2 was a good thing. He accuses the interviewer of defending Russia, while the interviewer says that he is defending Western Europe.
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Speaker 0: Senator, thank you very much for spending the time to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: It's good to be with you. So you've come
Speaker 0: out for regime change in Iran as distinct just from taking out the nuclear sites. What does regime change look like in Iran?
Speaker 1: Somebody else in charge.
Speaker 0: How do you get there?
Speaker 1: Look, that ultimately has to be a popular uprising for the people. And it's not a complicated question. Is America better off with a country that has a leader who hates us and wants to kill us or or to have a country with a leader who likes us and wants to be friends with us. Well, definitely the latter is better. Of course.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so that's not a complicated statement. Look, I believe you look across the world when you have countries that have dictators that are viciously anti America. Venezuela, Maduro hates us. Would we be better off with Maduro out of power? Absolutely.
I I want our enemies out of power and I want our friends in power.
Speaker 0: That I could not agree more. The question is how do you get there? Of course. And we've been trying to kill Maduro for quite some time. We have troops there as I don't
Speaker 1: know that we've been trying to kill Maduro.
Speaker 0: We we have. And I think you know that.
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know that.
Speaker 0: Okay. Well, As a statement of fact, we have.
Speaker 1: So We do have massive sanctions. We try to pressure them out of all. Yeah. I'm not not aware of it.
Speaker 0: I'm just saying there's a lot of pressure coming from various parts of the US government on that government and it's still there. Yeah. Same the country of various ancestors Cuba. You know, 1959, we've been working on that. Hasn't worked.
So it's it's I believe both agree it's hard
Speaker 1: to do. It absolutely is hard. And look, think you're reasonable to ask how do we produce that? And I think there's a distinction between what your objective is and the means to get it. There are all sorts of things I would say we would be better off.
We'd be better off in China without Xi there. Should we invade China and topple Xi? Of course not. We'd be
Speaker 0: better off with no national debt.
Speaker 1: You know? There are lots of things. Totally. But but it's good to say, alright. What are our objectives?
Right. And so with the Ayatollah in Iran saying you're for regime change, I don't view as complicated. I mean, the guy literally leads mobs chanting death to America. So that's not good.
Speaker 0: Definitely not good. But the reason I think it's important to get a little more detailed about how that might happen is because there's military action and progress which we're supporting. And the president has said clearly, including last night, that he is focused on eliminating the capacity of the Iranian government to produce nuclear weapons. You are saying we need to use military force to affect regime change.
Speaker 1: I have not said that.
Speaker 0: Oh, I must have not
Speaker 1: that once. I don't think we need to use military force to do regime change. I said I support it. I would like to see it happen. You asked me how should it happen.
A popular uprising. So what I've advocated for. Let's step back a second. You and I, we've known each other a long time. I would say we agree on about 80% of the things on earth.
For sure. And there are a lot of things, and we can get into the nitty gritty of foreign policy as much as you want. There are a lot of things on which you and I agree, not just a little bit, but violently.
Speaker 0: I totally agree. I was rooting for you in your last campaign for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Look, you have been heroic the border. You have been one of the clearest and best voices in the whole country on securing the border and on the absolute crisis we're facing. And in Texas, I see it and live it every day. In COVID, in fact, you may recall in the middle of the COVID lockdown, I was out walking my dog when the whole world was shut down and we were living in lunatic times.
And I called you and said, Tucker, your nightly monologues are the single best thing on television. Like, I watch them like an injection of crack. Okay. I'm mixing my metaphor because you don't inject crack. You get what I'm saying.
Just try. No. I mean, it was you were standing up and speaking like, what the hell are we doing in a way that we desperately, desperately needed. And so whether it's securing the border, whether it's the insanity of COVID lockdowns and the vaccine mandates, whether it is the second amendment or the first amendment, you and I agree on a ton of stuff. The 20% where we disagree, I do think is meaningful.
And it's mostly in the foreign policy space. And what I would say, if you'll allow me to get a little theoretical and then I'm happy to get specific. For a long time, people have perceived two different poles of Republican foreign policy. There have been interventionists and those have been people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, George W. Bush.
And there have been isolationists. And the most prominent of those have been Ron Paul and Rand Paul and there are others. And people perceive those are the two choices. You've got to be one or the other. I've always thought both were wrong.
I don't agree with either one. The way I view my own foreign
Speaker 0: power I'm with you by the way, for whatever it's worth. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Good.
Speaker 0: I don't know who set up that binary, but there are lots of choices actually.
Speaker 1: I mean, people sort of naturally fall into I think they want to classify people and they're like, okay, you're one or the other and you've got to be all or nothing. And the interventionists, it seems, have never seen a country they didn't want to invade and that doesn't make any sense to me. And the isolationists, I think, don't take the threats to America seriously. And I think that's naive and it doesn't work. So my view, I consider myself a third point on the triangle.
And what I describe that as is that I am a non interventionist hawk. Which sounds a little weird, but what do I mean by that? I mean the central touch point for US foreign policy and for any question of military intervention should be the vital national security interest of The United States. How does this make America safer? How does this protect Americans?
If it does, we should be strong. And actually another way of conceiving what I'm saying, I'm speaking theoretically. But Reagan referred to it as peace through strength. And actually, I think Donald Trump's foreign policy is very much what I'm describing a non interventionist talk. Where he understands that, and I think this is historically true, the best way to avoid war is being strong.
That weakness and isolationism, I think, encourages war. So going back to regime change, where you started in Iran. Or So but just the way I I don't think
Speaker 0: I disagree with anything you've said. So we may not be that far apart really because you said that the single criterion for making decisions about America's foreign policy is America's national interest. Yes. That's
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The question is, are we watching that now?
Speaker 1: So I think we are. And from what you've said publicly, think on Iran in particular, you and I disagree. And Alright. Let me contrast it when Obama was president. When Obama was president, you remember he talked about wanting to have military action against Syria.
And at the time, I tried to keep an open mind to it. I said, okay, let me listen to the commander in chief describe to me how this is in America's interest and what your plan is. And and Bashar Assad was a bad guy. He was killing his own citizens and and he had chemical weapons that were very dangerous. I could conceive of a commander in chief laying out a plan for, okay, we're gonna go in and say, grab the chemical weapons and leave.
Like I could see that if there was a real threat to America and there was a plan to prevent that, I could see supporting that. So I wanted to hear what he said to say. And I listened both in classified briefings and public questioning. And number one, their public defensive, it was incoherent. So John Kerry said, we're going to engage in an unbelievably small strike.
I think that's a quote. I'm like, okay. And and to do what? At the time, there were nine major rebel Islamic groups in Syria. I'm like, okay.
I agree, but Shah Assad's a bad guy. You topple him. And one of the nine other groups takes over. Seven of them were affiliated with radical Islamic terrorism. You had Al Qaeda and Al Nusra.
Like, how is it better to have lunatics who hate us in charge? Assad's a bad guy but I don't want worse guys in charge. Obama administration couldn't give an answer to that. And ultimately when you press them, John Kerry in particular I pressed and he would say, well, we need to defend international norms. What the hell is an international norm?
I don't know what it is but I'm not interested in putting US servicemen and women in harm's way to defend one.
Speaker 0: Amen.
Speaker 1: So I opposed the Syri attack and opposed it vocally. And it was interesting Rand and I agreed. Rand's a friend of mine. But we agreed with that position for different reasons. What I was asking is is I think the question we should ask, how does this make America safer?
The Obama administration couldn't give me an answer, so I posed it. I think Iran is very different. May I ask what you think of how Syria wound up? Because Bashar
Speaker 0: al Assad now lives in Moscow. Yeah. He was taken out by
Speaker 1: our
Speaker 0: allies. And he's been replaced by a radical Islamist who was affiliated with ISIS. So is that a win or no?
Speaker 1: Unclear. Look, Syria's a mess, so I've consistently opposed
Speaker 0: But we had a secular leader in a religious and ethnically diverse country. Now we have a religious extremist, Islamic religious extremist, who's overseeing the purge of Christians and Alawites. Is that better or that doesn't seem like a Well,
Speaker 1: one of the things you said is you said he was taken out by our allies. I don't think that's right. Israel didn't take Assad out. What happened, and I'll tell you What
Speaker 0: about Turkey?
Speaker 1: Turkey didn't take him out. So it was interesting. I had a long
Speaker 0: How did Assad get kicked out? When
Speaker 1: Netanyahu was in DC a couple of months ago, he and I sat down for a couple of hours. He's a good friend of mine. We talked actually about Syria. He made an interesting point that I've not heard anywhere else in that he said he believes what toppled Assad was when Israel took out Nasrallah. Nasrallah was the head of Hezbollah.
They took him out. He made an interesting point. He said, It's fascinating how a charismatic leader And Bebe said, look, Nasrallah was a very effective terrorist leader. And when they took him out, that power base was supporting Assad. And that ultimately in Bebe's analysis removed the support from Assad and toppled him.
But they weren't trying to take out Assad. My view now, I don't know. But you don't think that
Speaker 0: And I don't It is very confusing and I don't know that anyone really knows all the details. But you don't think that Israel or Turkey or NATO ally Turkey played any role in toppling Assad?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that they did. Look look, my understanding of that, they clearly took out Nasrallah and Hezbollah. They've decimated Hezbollah, but Hezbollah is waging war on So so decimating Hezbollah was very good for Israel and very good for for America too. I mean, Hezbollah hated us.
I I would put Assad in the category of an unintended consequence. And whether it's good or bad, I don't know. I think time will tell
Speaker 0: For The United States.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for The United States. I think time will tell the new leadership there. You're right to be concerned. Let me step back and let's talk regime change generally. I mentioned Syria.
I also opposed the Iraq War. I think the Iraq War was a serious mistake. And we have a pattern and going back to this binary of the interventionist and the isolationist. The interventionists advocate over and over again. There's a bad guy.
There's a dictator who's doing bad things to his people. And they say, let's go topple him. And you have dictators in The Middle East who are killing radical Islamic terrorists. We come in and topple them. The radical Islamic terrorists take over and they start killing Americans.
And mind you, how the heck does that help us? Like, Saddam Hussein was a horrible human being. He murdered and tortured people. I unequivocally bad guy. But it got much worse after we toppled him.
And you ended up having ISIS rise up. I mean, that was the cause of ISIS was toppling Saddam Hussein. Same thing in in in Libya. You had Qaddafi, another horrible guy that that under Obama, we toppled him. And you ended up having radical Islamic warlords taking over.
And and so the and it's the question I asked in Syria. Okay. Well, what's the plan? And and and how is this good or bad for The United States? And and so I don't think with Iran I I view Iran as very different from Iraq.
Speaker 0: But up to that point, you say we disagree. I I don't hear really anything. I'm not quite sure what happened in Syria, but I I don't know. So Right? But other than that, I don't hear anything I disagree with at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Sounds like we're in a complete agreement. I wonder though, is there a successful regime change that The United States supported that you're aware of in the last hundred years?
Speaker 1: Sure. Defeating the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union collapsing, winning the Cold War. That that was the most consequential step for US national security interests of our lifetimes.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you would classify that as a regime change that we affected?
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And look, and I are in my office, we're sitting next to a painting of Reagan in front of the Brandenburg Gate. And up top are the words tear down this wall in German in the style of the graffiti. Right. And I think those are the most important words any leader has said in modern times. And if you look at how Reagan waged the Cold War And Reagan is very much my model for how to I actually think how Reagan took on the Soviet Union is exactly how we should take on China.
Now, starting from the point, look, Reagan was not an interventionist. In eight years, the biggest country Reagan ever invaded was Grenada. He was very reluctant to use US military force.
Speaker 0: He didn't respond after the eighty three barracks bombings.
Speaker 1: You're right. He made the judgment that the risk exceeded the benefits. And that's a very rational decision to make. And it's reflected Trump has made those same decisions where he is willing to use military force. But he very much asks, okay, is this good or bad for America?
Does this endanger US servicemen and women or not? And one of the points about the Cold War. Look, nobody in their right mind wanted a shooting war between America and The Soviet Union. The two biggest nuclear powers on earth firing bullets at each other is really unhealthy for human beings. Same thing is true with China.
Nobody with any sense says, hey, let's go to war with China. That's dumb and a whole lot of people could die. But the Cold War showed we've got lots of tools short of sending the marines to fight against a regime. And one of the most important tools is the bully pulpit. And so when I say I support regime change, actually think just simply laying out what the Ayatollah does.
And so I spend a lot of time, I speak to Iranian dissident groups. I speak out against human rights abuses. I think shining a light on the depravity of leaders is a really powerful tool that America has.
Speaker 0: Should we limit our activity to that?
Speaker 1: It depends. Again, the
Speaker 0: Because the US government pays opposition groups, militarized opposition groups in Iran overthrow the government. We've done it in a lot of different places, as you know. I'm not saying it's bad, but that's very different from what you're describing. You're saying we're making a moral case as we did for seventy years with the Soviets. Our system works, yours doesn't.
Yep. And I think we made a credible case for that. And we beat them over seventy years economically.
Speaker 1: And that was a huge part of it.
Speaker 0: Right. I think everyone would agree that was the main part of it. We didn't beat them in Vietnam or North Korea.
Speaker 1: The main part of it, but it was tied to a military buildup. So I think it was two things. It was one, the clarity. So Reagan came in and he described the Soviet Union as an evil empire. And all of the intelligentsia in DC, all the Democrats, all the media, they're like, what a horrible thing to say.
You can't say that. Reagan went to The United Kingdom and he said, Marxism, Leninism will end up on the ash heap of history. People were horrified. They asked him, All right, what's your strategy in the Cold War? He said, Very simple.
We win, they lose. And that was all viewed as sort of a Philistine simplicity. And I think it was exactly right. And laying that out, speaking Do you know the backstory behind the Berlin Wall speech?
Speaker 0: Yeah, I do. Yes.
Speaker 1: You probably know Peter Robinson, who was a speech Of course. Yes. So three times the State Department deleted those words from that speech. And three times Reagan wrote it back And the State Department argued. They said, mister president, you can't say this.
This is too bellicose. This is too provocative. And my favorite, they said, this is too unrealistic. The Berlin Wall will stand till the end of time. And Reagan said, look, this is the whole point of the speech.
And less than three years after Reagan gave that speech, the Berlin Wall was torn to the ground. And it wasn't knocked down by American army tanks. We didn't shoot missiles at it. It was shining truth and light that tore it down. It was also rebuilding the American military.
It was what was then pejoratively called Star Wars where the Soviet Union, their economy couldn't match our military buildup and it bankrupted them. That's an example of peace through strength.
Speaker 0: I wonder, I mean is there anybody who was alive in 1989 who wouldn't trade that America for the one we live in now? There's not one person, I don't think. Oh sure. But I mean just the basic metrics, debt, suicide rate, life expectancy, it was I wonder why after that victory, America didn't thrive in the way that we thought that it would, that I thought that it would. My family was involved in that.
I mean, we were very focused on it in my house.
Speaker 1: Like, for
Speaker 0: one, and I wonder two things, why didn't The United States kind of declare victory and make some sort of arrangement with Russia that allowed like mutual prosperity rather than continuing a cold war? And second, I wonder why The United States didn't get a lot better. Like, why don't we have better infrastructure? Why don't we have fewer homeless? Why do we have all these drugs?
Like, if we won, why does our country look like this? I walked across from Union Station this morning, as you do, I'm sure, every day. And there's people lying in the street and sleeping outside. It's like, what is that? We're sorry to say it, but this is not a very safe country.
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Speaker 1: Look, there's no doubt there are really dangerous forces in our society. Some of it is politics and some of it is culture. One of the mistakes people make in politics is thinking everything is politics. So the political answer which I happen to believe is is we went much further down the road of liberalism. You look at Bill Clinton who inherited the peace dividend of the cold war being over and and moved us more to the left and then Obama accelerated it a lot.
So there are lots of I agree. Bad economic policies. But I also think they're cultural things. You know, the loss faith The loss family
Speaker 0: I know what you're gonna say and I agree a 100%. I bet there's not one word that I would disagree with. All I'm saying is, I think it's important to step back and ask
Speaker 1: But actually, think Russia has very little to do with it.
Speaker 0: Well, that's kind of the point that I'm trying to make, which is like we're all sort of focused on beating our adversaries abroad, but what is victory worth if our own country becomes what it is now? And maybe we're spending a little too much time focused abroad and not enough time focused on the people sleeping outside Union Station.
Speaker 1: So look, I absolutely think we need to focus at home emphatically and we need to focus on prosperity, we need to focus on reducing the debt, reducing spending, empowering people, low taxes, small businesses. American free enterprise. It's the most powerful force for fighting poverty the world has ever seen. I'm a thousand percent there. I also recognize it is a dangerous world.
And and part of the responsibility of leaders, part of president Trump's responsibility is to keep America safe. Let's go back to where we started
Speaker 0: with But can I ask you've been in the district a long time in DC, so have I? And the city's way more dangerous and congress runs
Speaker 1: this city. It's a complete crap hole.
Speaker 0: So what I'm saying like, the date no Iranians ever gonna kill me, but I could get carjacked here.
Speaker 1: No. It was
Speaker 0: And I just don't understand how the congress could run this city and focus on the dangers of Iran when the city is like garbage.
Speaker 1: It's garbage. But but congress doesn't run the city. They we could.
Speaker 0: Congress does run the city. It's in the constitution.
Speaker 1: It's in the constitution but they've given home rule so it's a democratic You
Speaker 0: can it back. You control the congress.
Speaker 1: I'd vote for it but but but it is a question of math.
Speaker 0: Okay. But I'm just saying like, why how can people ignore it's like, if my own kids are drug addicts, but I'm focused on my neighbor's kids, it's like I'm neglecting my own kids. And there's a sense in which the congress is neglecting the country that elected them in favor of this relentless focus on other people's problems. That's the way it feels as an American. Look,
Speaker 1: there are lots of problems in America that we need to fix. Why is is DC a pit? Because you have a mayor and a democrat city council that won't let police officers bad guys. And in every city you see across the country, whether it's New York, whether it's Chicago, whether it's LA, whether it's San Francisco, if you have democrats we see the LA riots where they won't let people be arrested.
Speaker 0: Alright. Then why not work in regime change here?
Speaker 1: I'm not Why not use the bully pulpit? What do you think I do every day? Need you to
Speaker 0: hear Republican senators stand up and say, I just walked to work this morning over people dying of drug ods. We're gonna shut this place down unless they fix it. There's they're mad about Putin. Like, what did Putin do to Washington? Nothing.
Speaker 1: Look. In terms of regime change, let's let's talk this week. The the the the riots in LA, I've made very clear that the cause of those riots are Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass. And when you elect communists who hate America, who stop law enforcement from arresting criminals, you get what you get on the streets. I agree.
My in laws are Californians and they're wonderful people that Heidi grew up on the Central Coast Of California. I remember I was texting with my mother-in-law and I think I sent her a video of criminals going to a store and just looting in California. And her response, she said something like, Well, is really terrible. It's a shame we can't do anything about this. So yes, you can.
Go in and arrest them. Throw their butts in jail. Put them in handcuffs and it Exactly. And so we know how to fix these things. DC is, I think DC voted, if I remember right, 92% Democrat.
Democrat policies don't work and they destroy every community that they are in charge of.
Speaker 0: They destroy Republicans assert their constitutional authority over the city? Don't they control the congress? Yes.
Speaker 1: I'd be all for it.
Speaker 0: Who's against it?
Speaker 1: Collins is really vocally against it. So on questions of home rule. So for example, let's take an issue you and I care a lot about, the COVID lockdowns. I had a couple of years ago in the middle of them. DC was proposing the DC school district was proposing throwing out of school any child that was not vaccinated.
And at the time, if I remember correctly, it was something like forty percent of the African American students in DC were not vaccinated. So they're talking about literally throwing out forty percent of the kids at public school. And so I had a vote on the senate floor to say, look, they can't throw kids out of school for this. And we ended up having a big argument and part of the argument was home rule where there were and Susan was the most vocal republican. It's like, no.
No. No. We have to let DC run. And I'm like, why? Constitution gives us the power to do it.
And it ended up by the way, every single democrat, all of them voted in favor of the DC public schools being able to throw out 40% of the black kids from school. And I said, look, you throw a kid out of school. You got a 14, 15 year old boy. You throw him out of school. You know what's gonna happen next.
He's gonna join a gang. He's gonna engage in crimes. He's gonna engage in drugs. He could be dead within five years if that kid doesn't get an education. And the Democrats were more than happy to say, we don't care.
Right now, our religion is get get the vaccine or we're to hell with you.
Speaker 0: But can you I mean, again, once again, I couldn't agree with you more, but can you feel the frustration of people, including your voters, every, you know, every American at the emphasis on foreign countries and the threat we supposedly face, a lot of which is fake, obviously, over the kind of slowly unfolding tragedy of what's happening to our country. The dollars spent, the aid packages to Ukraine to pay the retirement of civil servants in a country that we have nothing to do with. The endless support for Israel, very expensive. When people are literally buying groceries on credit in The United States, can you feel like it's nothing against Ukraine or Israel or any other countries?
Speaker 1: Alright, let's stop. You said the support for Israel, very expensive. How much support do we give to Israel?
Speaker 0: Well, you tell me. You vote for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's about 3,000,000,000 a year, the military assistance.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. Was that the only assistance?
Speaker 1: Yeah. We we just have military assistance. Israel does not have additional assistance. There's there's an MOU, a memorandum of understanding, and it's 3,000,000,000 a year.
Speaker 0: So what is it costing to support the bombing campaign to protect Israel right now from Iran?
Speaker 1: So I don't know right now, but I'll tell you this. Let's go back to the touchstone on foreign policy. American interest. Our support, our military support for Israel is massively in America's national security. And it benefits us enormously.
Well, before we
Speaker 0: can make independent judgments about whether or not that's true, and I'm certainly open to it, I think we need to know what it costs. So what's the annual cost of defending Israel? Do you know?
Speaker 1: 3,000,000,000 a year. No, no,
Speaker 0: that's the aid. But I mean, the cost of the weapons, for example, the cost of US personnel there, the cost of moving ships to the region, which we're doing right now, the cost of moving tankers to region, all of that. Do we know what the cost is?
Speaker 1: So look, the last week, I don't know. And and there's some lag when the administration on the constitution, the commander in chief has control of the armed forces. And so president Trump has made some decisions that we'll know the cost over time, but I don't know the last week. I don't have visibility on that. The annual cost is 3,000,000,000.
It's a ten year memorandum of understanding and that's the principal driver of the cost. But let me make a point. We get massive benefits from Israel. Israel shares the Mas'ad as one of the best intelligence sources on the planet. The enemies of Israel, the people who hate Israel, they all hate us.
It's a perfect overlap. And so if we tried to recreate, if we're just trying to defend America, we tried to recreate the national security benefits of our alliance with Israel, it would cost, I don't know, 30,000,000,000, 300,000,000,000. So can
Speaker 0: you elaborate? And again, I'm going into this as someone who's always liked Israel and still does, but I also think at this point, given where we are, it's fair to ask rational questions about what the benefits are.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 0: So does Mossad share all of its intelligence with us?
Speaker 1: Oh, probably not, but they share a lot. We don't share all of our intelligence with them, but we share a lot. It's a close alliance.
Speaker 0: Do they spy domestically in The United States?
Speaker 1: Oh, they probably do and we do as well. And friends and allies spy on each other. I assume do? Why? I assume all of our allies spy on us.
Speaker 0: That's okay with you?
Speaker 1: You know what? One of the things about being a conservative is that you're not naive and utopian. You don't think humans are all Part of the reason socialism doesn't work is the the the mantra from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs doesn't work. As a conservative, I assume people act in their rational self interest.
Speaker 0: It's why conservative to pay people to spy on you?
Speaker 1: It's conservative to recognize that human beings act in their own self interest and every one of our friends spies on us. And I'm not
Speaker 0: Do you like it? That's my question. I'm not asking whether they have motive to do it. Of course, they do. I understand that.
And I And by
Speaker 1: the way
Speaker 0: I'm not mad at them. And you're an American lawmaker, so I just wanna wanna know hold on. I wanna know your attitude. You said that your guiding principle, in fact, only principle, the only criterion
Speaker 1: I said guiding. The the overwhelming. I wouldn't say only.
Speaker 0: Is is it in America's interest? Is it in America's interest for Israel to spy on us, including on the president?
Speaker 1: It is in America's interest to be closely allied with Israel because we get huge benefits for it. And you want us you wanna see the clear
Speaker 0: But but I just wanna stop on the spying for a second. That it it takes place, as you know, including on the president of The United States and several precedents, and I just want to know if that's okay and why is it okay? Wouldn't an American lawmaker say to a client state, you're not allowed to spy on us? I'm sorry. I know why you want to.
I'm not mad at you, but you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to. Sure. And I don't care
Speaker 0: for it. I don't wanna be spied on by you. Is that it's kinda weird not to say that, but you don't seem able to say that.
Speaker 1: Sure. I would say don't spy on us. They're going to anyway. And by the way, the Brits are, the Canadians are, like, I don't think Well, I'm not for
Speaker 0: that at all. I think it's disgusting. But we don't actually pay their You know, we're not their most meaningful sponsor. We're not sort of paying for the operations of
Speaker 1: the British I gotta say, and this is It's weird. We're talking about isolationists. The obsession with Israel. Why is Israel
Speaker 0: Oh, I don't think I'm obsessed with Israel. Okay. But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are and like the question, Israel spies on us. Well, so does every other country. Why are you mad at Israel?
Speaker 0: I guess no. No. No. I'm I'm the one who's I've never taken money from the Israel lobby. Have you?
Speaker 1: Taken money from the Israel
Speaker 0: From APAC.
Speaker 1: So APAC raises a lot of money for me, it's actually a misnomer because the people who raise money are individuals. So it's not the PAC itself but they're individual members who believe in the American Israeli friendship and Is
Speaker 0: it PAC of foreign lobby?
Speaker 1: No. It's an American lobby. It's the APAC stands for the America Israeli Political Action.
Speaker 0: What is it lobby for?
Speaker 1: So to be honest, not a whole lot effectively. Listen, I came into to Congress thirteen years ago with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate.
Speaker 0: Great.
Speaker 1: I've worked every day to do that. APAC a lot of times APAC I wish were much more effective. They're But when they do, I'm terrified of APAC and APAC.
Speaker 0: I'm not terrified of APAC at all. I I'm You're the one who seems a little uncomfortable when I'm asking.
Speaker 1: No. Not uncomfortable at all.
Speaker 0: I'm just asking what APAC does. My understanding having known a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are you about
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Speaker 1: All the time. Anyone? Okay. Let me go back and give a little history. If you wanna do a deep dive on APAC, we can I don't?
I wanna do a shallow dive if it gets No. No. I wanna get
Speaker 0: to the core question. APAC is lobbying for a foreign government. And I don't. It's not. It's lobbying for The United States.
Speaker 1: It is lobbying for a strong US Israeli relationship. Okay. So it's not It has nothing to do
Speaker 0: with the foreign government.
Speaker 1: It it wants America and Israel to be closely allied.
Speaker 0: Okay. But it's lobbying on behalf of the interests of another country.
Speaker 1: So that's not true at all.
Speaker 0: That's not true. No. How much contact do you think APEC leaders have for the government of Israel?
Speaker 1: No idea. Imagine some, I think the government of Israel is often frustrated with APAC. Do think that that's not nearly strong enough?
Speaker 0: Do you think there's any coordination between the government of Israel and APAC?
Speaker 1: Do they talk? Sure. If you're lobbying for more US Mexico trade, would you talk to people in The US and Mexico and the government? Sure. Like like if
Speaker 0: So I'm not mad about that. There are a million countries that lobby Washington. I like a lot of those countries including
Speaker 1: But APAC are Americans, but not Israelis.
Speaker 0: Hold on. There are tons of Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments. I know them. I'm related to some of them. I know how it works.
I'm I'm from here. So my question is not, is it outrageous that foreign governments lobby The United States? They all do, okay, including Israel. My only question is why don't we admit that is what's happening? You're denying it, but it's true.
Speaker 1: And why aren't they you're saying is false.
Speaker 0: Why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby?
Speaker 1: Because they're not. They're not a foreign lobby. No. They're not. And this is the there's a fever swamp.
Look.
Speaker 0: It's not a fever swamp. These are very reasonable questions and you've accused me of being obsessed with Israel, which I'm not.
Speaker 1: I I actually haven't. Seen an isolationist.
Speaker 0: About it, which I'm not at all. I'm just I find it it's a very tender spot when you ask it and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: So, Tucker, alright. Let's go back. I was first elected to the Senate in 2012. I came in in Obama's second term. And I actually saw AIPAC be badly wounded in a way they never came back from.
And the second term is when Obama did the Iran nuclear deal. The Iran nuclear deal, I think, was catastrophic. And APAC went all in lobbying against it.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they failed. And I was the leading opponent of the Iran nuclear deal.
Speaker 0: Oh, know. They definitely failed. Yes.
Speaker 1: They failed. And what happened, the Obama White House told every democrat. When I got here, there used to be real bipartisan support for Israel. That has largely disappeared. And it's the Obama nuclear deal that caused it because the Obama White House told every Democrat, pick.
You either stand with Israel or you're a Democrat and you stand with the Obama White House. And almost every single Democrat member of Congress said, I'm a Democrat first to hell with Israel. And then I watched as APAC every one of those Democrats got reelected and APAC did nothing about it. And and it dramatically reduced APAC's influence.
Speaker 0: I agree. Watched it happen. And and by
Speaker 1: the way, I told APAC. I said, look. The analogy, if the NRA was supporting a bunch of politicians and cared about the second amendment, and you had politicians that vote to confiscate people's guns, and the NRA turned around and raised money for the people who voted to confiscate guns, you know what? No one would ever care what they said again.
Speaker 0: Sue, you're making the case that APAC is not as powerful as people say it is and I completely agree
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 0: I've watched that and I'm not making the case that APAC is all powerful and they're running everything and putting Florida in the water. I'm not making the case at all because it's not true. I'm only trying to get to the question of what APAC is and I don't think you're being straightforward about it. APAC is lobbying on behalf of the interests of a foreign country and they're not registered and you're saying, no, that's not true. You're saying that they don't coordinate with the Israeli government.
Speaker 1: Of course, I coordinate. They do they talk with them. I don't know what they do. I can
Speaker 0: tell But why don't you care? Isn't it meaningful if a foreign government
Speaker 1: Hey. I've talked with with Israel all the
Speaker 0: time.
Speaker 1: I've talked with foreign
Speaker 0: countries all the time. But the law is and a lot of people prosecuted under this law, that if you are lobbying on behalf of foreign government, you must register. That's it. It's really simple. And I don't know why if I'm working for Malaysia or Qatar or Belgium k.
And I'm working on behalf of its government's interest through a group of Americans who are representing the friendship between those two nations, I have to register under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, and if I don't, I can go to jail. People have gone to jail, including people I know. So I don't understand why we don't just be honest and say they're lobbying on behalf of foreign government. They're coordinating with the government. You know that that's true.
Speaker 1: That is not only not true. That is false.
Speaker 0: They're not coordinating with the Israeli government.
Speaker 1: Do you know how APAC raises money? What? For for elected officials, like what they do, like what the actual mechanics is? I get that. I mean, they go to people who
Speaker 0: are sympathetic to Israel and raise money and then send it to candidates who agree with So
Speaker 1: what they'll do is So in my last election, APAC endorsed me and they'll host a fundraiser. They'll host a fundraiser in Dallas or Houston or Atlanta or New York or LA. And they'll do a fundraiser and they'll get someone who'll host it. And it's usually a business owner, lawyer, doctor, someone who'll host it. And you get typically at an APAC fundraiser thirty, forty, 50, maybe 100 people who live in that city who care about a strong US Israel relationship.
And and if they have, you know, 50 people, each of them writes a thousand dollar check and you raise 50,000. Yeah. Been to an Apex fundraiser. I know what it looks like. But but but that is not and by the way, there's no representative of the Israeli government there.
You have when you're in Dallas, you're meeting with This just
Speaker 0: a false and silly conversation. I know all this. I know all this. The question is is are APEC's goals shaped by the goals of the Israeli government to any extent?
Speaker 1: Okay. That's really simple question.
Speaker 0: Lobbying on behalf of. It's a simple question. Is a are APAX goals shaped by the goals of the Israeli government? And I'm just gonna ask you a question straightforwardly. And if you say no, I think we
Speaker 1: both know that's not true. Hey. Are they shaped by? Is that an
Speaker 0: Are they coordinating with the Israeli government?
Speaker 1: Are they talking The Israel government? Them. What are you wanna talk about Farah, the law on lobbying on behalf of someone? Yeah. It is I hire you and you lobby on behalf of me.
I direct you. Does Israel direct APAC? No. They're not lobbying on behalf of them. Do they care about them?
Yes. But
Speaker 0: Do you think that it's just interesting because what you're now describing in a very defensive way, will say, is foreign influence over our politics. No. And you began And it's so transparently obvious to everybody. I don't know why you'd be embarrassed of it. You've said that you are sincerely for Israel.
I believe you. I don't think you have some weird agenda. You seem to be sincere.
Speaker 1: By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing. The obsession with Israel When we're talking about foreign
Speaker 0: countries It's hardly an obsession.
Speaker 1: You're not talking about Chinese. You're not talking about Japanese. Not talking about the Brits. You're not talking about the French. The question, what about the Jews?
What about the Jews? Oh, like I'm anti Semite now. Senator, you're asking the questions tough. Me. You're asking, why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy?
Senator, I'm
Speaker 0: hardly saying that. And I have That
Speaker 1: is exactly what you just said.
Speaker 0: Well, actually, I can speak for myself Good. And tell you what I am
Speaker 1: saying. Good.
Speaker 0: On behalf not simply of myself, but on of my many Jewish friends who would have the same questions, which is to what extent and I it's interesting you're trying to derail my questions by calling me an anti Semite, which you are.
Speaker 1: I did not. Of course, are.
Speaker 0: And and rather than be honorable enough to say it right to my face, you are in sleazy feline way implying it or just asking questions about the Jews. I'm not asking questions about the Jews. I have there's nothing to do with Jews or Judaism. It has to with foreign government.
Speaker 1: Isn't Israel controlling our foreign policy? That's not about the Jews? You said, I'm asking you You're the one that just called me, I think, a sleazy feline. So let's let's be clear.
Speaker 0: Sleazy to imply that I'm an anti Semite, which you just did.
Speaker 1: No. I just asked you. Answer it. Give me another reason. If you're not an anti Semite, give me another reason why the obsession is Israel.
Speaker 0: I am in no sense obsessed with Israel. We are on the brink of war with Iran, and so these are valid questions.
Speaker 1: But you're not just if I
Speaker 0: can finish, you asked me why I'm obsessed with Israel. Yep. Three minutes after telling me that when you first ran for congress, you elucidated one of your main goals, which is to defend Israel. Yes. And I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel.
I don't see a lawmaker's job as defending the interests of a foreign government, period. Any government, including the ones that my ancestors come from. So that's my position. That does not make me an anti Semite, and shame on you for suggesting otherwise, and I mean that. And that's low, and you know it's low.
So why don't you just answer my questions
Speaker 1: straight forward and rational way?
Speaker 0: You certainly have the IQ to do it.
Speaker 1: Shame on you is is cute by the way, Tucker.
Speaker 0: It is. It's not cute. I'm offended.
Speaker 1: You're you're I'm
Speaker 0: obsessed with the Jews. You just told me that you feline. It is sleazy to imply that I'm an antisemite for asking questions about how my government
Speaker 1: is count how many questions you asked about. What about the Jews? What about Israel? What about
Speaker 0: You never asked about the Jews. I I have this has nothing to do with the Jews, whatever that means. This has to do with a foreign government. And once again, shame on you for conflating the two. They have nothing to do with each other.
I'm talking about the influence
Speaker 1: of Israel and Jews have nothing to do with each No.
Speaker 0: All Jews are an attack on all Jews, which I am not nor would I ever be undertaking now. I'm not attacking anybody.
Speaker 1: By the way, that's that's who who Iran wants to kill is all the Jews and all the Americans.
Speaker 0: And I'm totally opposed to that. Okay? But now because Except you don't wanna do anything need to be made.
Speaker 1: We can talk about those And
Speaker 0: I plan to. Good. But I just wanna get a sense of whether you think having described yourself as an America first person whose only criterion for judgment on foreign policy is America's national interest to what extent you're influenced by a foreign government, which gives you a lot of money through its lobby and you're claiming this has nothing to do with the foreign government. They're not courted Yes, they're spying on us, but doesn't bother you. And I'm sort of wondering like, what is this?
This is the one of the weirdest
Speaker 1: conversations I've ever I'll tell you what, and I'll answer any question you like, but let's try to
Speaker 0: Are you gonna call me an anti Semite again or no?
Speaker 1: Let's try to ratchet down the temperature a little.
Speaker 0: You're the one who went to motive. I'm asking honest questions. Yeah. I'm Just asking questions. Yes, that's it.
That is what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Let's try to ratchet down the temperature a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And did you ever see an Eddie Murphy movie called The Distinguished Gentleman?
Speaker 0: No.
Speaker 1: It's a great movie. It's actually a fun comedy about politics. And Eddie Murphy in the movie is a con man who gets elected to congress. And he's literally a con man who the congressman dies, he has the same name and so he runs and they get elected. And there's a there's a scene in the movie where where Eddie Murphy is a freshman member of the of congress and he's sitting down with a sleazy lobbyist.
And he's asking the lobbyist, alright, what should my positions be on I think they were talking about power plants and and electrical transmission lines. And and the lobbyist like, well, what do you believe? And Eddie Murphy's comment said, don't care. Whatever gets me the most money. I'll do whatever gets me the most money.
And the lobbyist says, no. No. Pick a side. Doesn't matter what you pick. If you pick one side, we'll go shake down everyone who supports that size and they'll give you money.
If you pick the other side, that's fine. We'll just go to the other side and shake down that. That's a little bit the way it works. And and you often get get leftists in the media who say, for example, if you support the second amendment as you do and I do, well, you're just bought bought and paid for by the NRA. And that actually is backwards.
I believe in the second amendment because I believe in the constitution. Now am I proud that the NRA supports me? Sure. Because people who care about the second amendment wanna support leaders who fight for it. But it gets it backward.
Look, APAC, when I ran for the senate, APAC didn't support me. I supported Israel before they supported me. I'm I'm happy to have their support because they share my objective.
Speaker 0: No. But you're missing it. I'm not suggesting that you're bought and paid for. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: You actually wanna go back
Speaker 0: and take You are sincere.
Speaker 1: I wanna go back and take the transcript because you just said a minute ago, are you I'm paraphrasing, but are you are you lobbying for a foreign government because they pay you a lot of money? That's basically what you So you were suggesting that.
Speaker 0: Let me let me just be clear about what I think. Your views seem totally sincere.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: You take money from people who agree with you. Yeah. I believe that. I'm only
Speaker 1: trying I take money from people who disagree with me, Mitch.
Speaker 0: I'm trying to get to the question of to what extent is the US government influenced by other governments? And it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of course. It's
Speaker 0: hardly just Israel. It's hardly just Israel. I don't think Israel's the main one. There are lots of governments. China is a massive influence on this city.
Speaker 1: And it's a huge problem.
Speaker 0: As you know, I couldn't agree more. And there are lots of other. The UK, which is a truly sinister place in my opinion, as an ethnic Brit, I can say. I think it's that's my view. Maybe you disagree.
Speaker 1: I think they're on the wrong path. Love the Brits, but but their government has
Speaker 0: given all Without getting into that. I'm just saying I don't think Israel's the only one, but it's the only one where you're instantly called an anti Semite for asking questions. And it's also the only government that no one will ever criticize.
Speaker 1: And I find You criticize Israel every minute of every day. Like, the only government that people will not criticize? Rashida Tlaib just tweeted Who do know? Calling Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal. Was she that Talib?
No. You said no one will criticize him.
Speaker 0: I'm talking about Republicans that I would vote for, including you. And I'm saying, you know, whatever. I I don't even like talking about Israel. What I care about, I never do because it's not worth being called anti Semites from APAC recipients. But now we are on the verge of joining a war and I just want to be clear about why we're doing this.
Speaker 1: All right. And let's get into Iran momentarily. But but you suggested it was a strange thing that I said a minute ago that when I came into the senate, I resolved that I was gonna be the leading defender of Israel. And what you didn't ask is why. So let me tell you why.
Speaker 0: No. You said I was obsessed with Israel and you had just told me that like your driving motive to get to the senate was to defend Israel. Like, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: the one who's obsessed with Israel. Okay. So Tucker, words matter.
Speaker 0: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: The and you know that. I said I resolved to be the leading defender of Israel. You said your driving motive, the reason you're in the
Speaker 0: senate You wanna be the leading defender of Israel. I would think if I ran for senate, I'd be like, there are people dying of drug duties on the street.
Speaker 1: My driving motive is to fight for Texas and America and to fight for jobs and to fight for the constitution. And you played a very very careful word game of a lie to you.
Speaker 0: You're the one who said it.
Speaker 1: Not So you still haven't asked why, but I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: The reason is twofold. Number one, as a Christian, growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. And from my perspective, I wanna be on the blessing side of things.
Speaker 0: Of the those who bless the government of Israel?
Speaker 1: Those who bless Israel is what it says. It doesn't say the government of it. It says the nation of Israel. So that's in the bible. As a Christian, I believe that.
Speaker 0: Where is that?
Speaker 1: I can find it to you. Don't have the scripture off the tip of my You pull out the phone and use it in Genesis.
Speaker 0: It's in Genesis. But So you're quoting a Bible phrase. Don't have context for it and you don't know where in the Bible it is, but that's like your theology? I'm confused. What does that even mean?
Tucker. A Christian. I wanna know what you're talking about. Where
Speaker 1: does where does my support for Israel come from? Number one, because biblically we are commanded to support Israel. But number two Hold on. No. Hold on.
You're a senator, and now
Speaker 0: you're throwing out theology, and I am a Christian. I am allowed to weigh in on this. We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel?
Speaker 1: We are commanded to support Israel. And we're What does that mean, Israel? We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed.
Speaker 0: But what hold on. Define Israel.
Speaker 1: This is important. Are you kidding?
Speaker 0: This is a majority Christian
Speaker 1: Define Israel? Could do you not know what Israel is? I I That would be the country you'd have asked like 49 questions about.
Speaker 0: So that's what Genesis that's what God is talking about
Speaker 1: The nation of Israel.
Speaker 0: Yes. And and he's so does that the current borders, the current leadership? He's talking about the political entity called Israel?
Speaker 1: He he's talking about the nation of Israel. Yeah. Nations exists, and he's discussing a nation. A nation was the people of Israel.
Speaker 0: Is the nation They're
Speaker 1: the descendants of Abraham.
Speaker 0: To in Genesis, is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?
Speaker 1: Yes. It is. Okay. And by the way, it's not run by Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator. It's it's a democratic country that elected it.
He's the prime minister. Right. But just just like, you know, America is the country run by Donald Trump. No. Actually, the American people elected Donald Trump.
The same principle
Speaker 0: This is silly. I'm talking about the political entity of modern Israel.
Speaker 1: Yes. And that is a You
Speaker 0: believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 0: But but That country's existed since when?
Speaker 1: For thousands of years. Now there was a time when it didn't exist and then it was recreated just over 70
Speaker 0: I'm saying, I think most people understand that line in Genesis to refer to the Jewish people, God's chosen people.
Speaker 1: That's not what it says.
Speaker 0: Okay. Israel. But you don't even know where in the bible it is. So I
Speaker 1: I don't remember I don't remember the scriptural citation. But k. I keep It's like Genesis
Speaker 0: 16 or something like that. But yes, it's in the earlier part of the book. But the
Speaker 1: point is Alright, Tucker, you keep interrupting me before I finish my
Speaker 0: It's important to know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're So you're saying as a Christian, if I believe in Jesus, I have to support the modern state of Israel?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying that. I'm explaining for me what my motivation is.
Speaker 0: But you Okay. So I'm just trying to understand. You said God tells you to support the modern state of Israel in the bible, in some place in the bible that you heard about, but you don't know where it is. That's your theology?
Speaker 1: You're going back. Am I a sleazy feline again? I mean,
Speaker 0: don't If confuse me of antisemitism again, will say that, but I don't think you will.
Speaker 1: Just try to be a little less condescending. I'm trying to have a You're condescending.
Speaker 0: You're throwing this stuff out and it's my job to figure out what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay. But I
Speaker 0: don't understand.
Speaker 1: But you're not letting me.
Speaker 0: Okay. I'm sorry. I wanna be polite. That
Speaker 1: is for me a personal motivation. But I also, what I was about to say, I don't believe my personal faith, not everyone who I represent as a Christian. It's not an argument for me to give that that we should do this because of my faith. And so as as an elected official, I don't give that as the reason we should support Israel. That is a personal motivation for me, but but I don't think it is the reason we should.
The reason that I am the leading defender of Israel is because Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East, an incredibly troubled part of the world. And supporting Israel benefits America. And the clearest illustration of that is what is happening right now. Let me just make this point and then Okay.
Speaker 0: And then I'll just ask what you mean and that's it. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, Iran, I think the most acute national security threat facing America right now is the threat of a nuclear Iran. I think China is the biggest long term threat, but acute and near term is a nuclear Iran. Okay. And I think Israel is doing a massive favor to America right now by trying to take out Iran's nuclear capacity. And the reason I view Iran differently we talked before about Iraq.
I opposed the the Iraq war. We talked about Syria. I opposed military intervention in Syria. The reason for that is those did not pose a threat to The United States. I think Iran is markedly different.
Number one, the Ayatollah is a religious zealot. He he is a lunatic but but a particularly dangerous kind of lunatic because he's driven by religious fervor. When he says death to America and death to Israel, I believe him. And I think Iran is trying to get a nuclear weapon because there there is a very real possibility they would use a nuclear weapon. So you wanna ask how does supporting Israel benefit us?
Right now, this tiny little country, size of the state of New Jersey, is fighting our enemies for us and taking out their top military leadership and trying to take out their nuclear capacity. That makes America much safer.
Speaker 0: So the president has said repeatedly, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon Yes. And he will do whatever it takes to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. He said that like a 100 times. He clearly means it. I think he will use force to affect that if he feels he has to.
I think he's been
Speaker 1: really clear about that.
Speaker 0: I don't know, but it seems that way.
Speaker 1: Do do you feel it?
Speaker 0: Do you think that's correct?
Speaker 1: Whether he would use force to stop a nuclear weapon, I think he he has put that option on the table.
Speaker 0: He certainly suggested. I mean, I have literally no idea what's gonna but just reading his statements, he's made that really clear.
Speaker 1: So what he has been very clear about, and I I spoke with the president on Sunday, is he has been very clear to Iran that if they attack US servicemen and women Of course. Will be real consequences and and and I think very serious military
Speaker 0: By the way. This is a sidebar, but I just can't resist. The prime minister of Israel said that Iran tried to assassinate Donald Trump twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I read your newsletter this morning and and
Speaker 0: But do you believe that's true?
Speaker 1: Again, I think it was sort of a word game. What is true is Iran is trying to assassinate Donald J Trump and they have hired hitmen. Now, you pointed out
Speaker 0: No. He said that they tried had tried twice to kill him and I I don't know that I don't have any evidence that's true. I sort of wonder if that is true, why aren't we at Wortham already?
Speaker 1: Okay. And I read your newsletter this morning and I thought it was was playing word games to draw a political point.
Speaker 0: How's that a word game? It's my president. Can I tell you? Yeah, please.
Speaker 1: Okay. You rightly pointed out there's no evidence that this clown in Butler, Pennsylvania who shot the president was working for the Iranians. I don't think he was. There's no evidence of that. Although I would like to know more about who he was and what's going on.
Agree. I don't find it plausible that he was working for the Iranians. So was that caused by the Iranians? No. But what is true and what your newsletter didn't acknowledge, is it true or false that Iran is currently trying to murder Donald j Trump and has paid hit men to do so?
Speaker 0: Well, that's that's the question. And I don't know the Butler Pennsylvania thing. Butler Pennsylvania was that aside. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So so not not to misspoke when he said those two assassinations were because of Iran. But what he was saying that is right is they're actively trying to murder Donald Trump. Is there
Speaker 0: okay. So you're aware of a Yes. Plot to kill Trump.
Speaker 1: Yes. Iran is paying for
Speaker 0: and by the way Wait.
Speaker 1: When when? It it has been over the last, I'd say eighteen months to two years.
Speaker 0: In The United States?
Speaker 1: In The United States. Yes. They they and and let me put out
Speaker 0: Has anyone been arrested?
Speaker 1: For the Trump attempted assassination, no. But they are also actively paying Iranian hitmen to murder Mike Pompeo when he was president Trump's first secretary of state, the first term rather. John Bolton when John Bolton was national security adviser to president Trump, and a guy named Brian Hook who was assistant secretary of state.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: During the Biden administration Wait. Wait. Hold on. Can we go back to Donald Trump because he's not president? No.
It's a big deal. What do you mean?
Speaker 0: No one has been arrested for these assassination attempts on Yes. They've hired hitmen. How do we know that?
Speaker 1: Alright. Let me let me break it down. People have been arrested. So the reason I brought up Pompeo Boltman Hook who are under active assassination attempts because of their service of the first Trump administration, under the Biden Well,
Speaker 0: they say that. I've never seen any evidence of it.
Speaker 1: Can I give you the evidence?
Speaker 0: Well, let's just stick with Trump.
Speaker 1: No. No. No. Because these are interrelated. So let me make a bloody Under the Biden administration, the State Department was spending $2,000,000 a month providing security for Pompeo, Bolton, and Hook.
And they did arrest Iranian hitmen at John Bolton's apartment complex who rented, I think, the apartment next to him and were actively trying to assassinate him and then went and arrested them. So yes, they caught Iranian hitmen. Now, it so happens Iran's not very good at it. And so they but they are actively trying. And in fact But
Speaker 0: what about Trump? He's the president. If there's an plot to kill Trump by the Iranians
Speaker 1: Okay. So you you dispute that the Iranians are trying to kill Trump?
Speaker 0: I of course. I mean, that's the most important question. The prime minister of Israel just said there have been two assassination attempts against Donald Trump by the Iranians. And I think it's a very fair question, maybe you disagree, to ask what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Okay. And and I agree with you that he misspoke.
Speaker 0: So there weren't those two attempts?
Speaker 1: There were two attempts, but the the clown in Butler, Pennsylvania and the other guy on the golf course were not connected to the That's the part that that he misspoke. But by the way, when you speak all the time, occasion what he said that was accurate is that Iran is actively trying to murder Donald j Trump and has paid hitmen. Okay. But right. Okay.
That's fine. He was explaining it with the with the two attempts.
Speaker 0: I understand. But I just wanna pull that thread because it's so important. I voted for Donald Trump. I campaigned for Donald Trump. Yeah.
He's our president, and we're on the cusp of a war. So if Iran if there's evidence that Iran paid hitmen to kill Donald Trump and is currently doing that, where is the like, what are you even talking? I've never heard that before. Okay. Where is the evidence?
Who are these people? Why haven't they been arrested? Why are we not at war with Iran?
Speaker 1: That's a great question to ask. How do you know that that's true? We know that it's true because we have been told that by the military and our intelligence community for the last two years. We meaning who? Congress has and the public.
I mean, had multiple testimonies. Can send you testimony.
Speaker 0: We know the names of the people or where this happened or what they tried to do to kill Trump?
Speaker 1: We do not. We have not apprehended an Iranian hitman trying to kill him. We know that Iran is trying to do so.
Speaker 0: In The United States?
Speaker 1: Yes. And and by the way, like Iran This just
Speaker 0: seems like a huge headline and you're acting like everyone knows this. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Iran put out a whole video about murdering Trump.
Speaker 0: Right. But I've never heard evidence that there are hitmen in The United States. I mean, trying to kill Trump right now. We should like have a nationwide drag down on this and we should attack Iran immediately if that's true. Don't you think?
No. If they're trying to assassinate our president?
Speaker 1: They have been for two years.
Speaker 0: Are in the war with them.
Speaker 1: Well, we are trying
Speaker 0: to Why don't we just nuke Tehran if they're trying to murder our president? There's nothing that you could do that would be worse for The United States than murdering Trump. And I just don't understand why you're not calling for the use of nuclear weapons against the ayatollah right now.
Speaker 1: I'm serious. If they're if you really believe there's a murderer nuclear weapons. Whatever is of the
Speaker 0: problem of What do mean? You don't seem to take the allegations seriously. I do. You believe they're trying to murder Trump, we need to stop what we're doing and punish them.
Speaker 1: Can I ask something? I mean this sincerely. So alright. Twenty years ago, you were, I think it's fair to say in the interventionist world. Were a vocal Big time.
You were a vocal defender of the Iraq War.
Speaker 0: I was a promoter of the Iraq And
Speaker 1: you now and I I think you think you were mistaken. I think you were mistaken. That's okay. Look, people change and learn and that's that's part of the journey of being human. Your views have moved though.
In my view, they've gone way too far the other end. And and and so I'm totally confused why.
Speaker 0: I'm saying hold on. This
Speaker 1: is one
Speaker 0: of the weirdest conversations I've ever had. I'm saying if it's true that Iran is trying to murder Trump, we need to move militarily against Iran immediately. That's not isolationism. That's the most act. That's a cult of violence, which I am calling for.
If we believe that Iran is trying to murder our president, we need to strike Iran.
Speaker 1: Okay. But isolationists say things like, well, just nuke them, which is what you just said. Which is kind of a
Speaker 0: weird Because I'm upset because I'm taking you seriously. You don't take your own statements seriously.
Speaker 1: I take my statements very seriously.
Speaker 0: So I've asked you where's the evidence this is true? And you said, well, they're trying to assassinate Brian Hook or something. Oh, which I'm against by the way. I'm against hurting any American period no matter
Speaker 1: So you dispute that they're trying to murder
Speaker 0: Bolton. I'm not disputing it And
Speaker 1: they literally arrested the hitman with Bolton.
Speaker 0: I'm not I don't know why that's even relevant. I'm asking about the president of The United States.
Speaker 1: Wait. It's not relevant that Iran hire hitmen to murder cabinet members in Trump's administration. That doesn't go to I've already said they're willing to spend money to do that.
Speaker 0: Opposed to that, it's awful. I am against killing anybody actually, especially foreign Okay. I'm asking about your allegation and the Prime Minister of Israel's allegation that
Speaker 1: Iran is trying to murder the president. Killing terrorists is a good thing. Killing people who are trying to murder Americans is a good thing. Because if you're America first, you want to protect Americans. So taking out killing Osama bin Laden was a fantastic day for law.
Speaker 0: That they're trying to murder Trump.
Speaker 1: You saying? Yes. I do. Then why aren't you calling for military action against Tehran right now? Because they're not very effective.
In terms of hitmen, their hitmen are not very effective. I do think
Speaker 0: So they're hitmen but not the bad kind, the efficient kind.
Speaker 1: No. They're just What are
Speaker 0: you saying?
Speaker 1: They're a weak country who is on its knees and I think we need to
Speaker 0: Then why are we so afraid of them? Why are they the biggest threat if they're a weak country that's on its knees?
Speaker 1: Because they're trying
Speaker 0: I'm trying to keep track.
Speaker 1: They're trying to develop be a little less snarky.
Speaker 0: I know. You're right. That is a problem that I have.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They're trying to develop nuclear weapons. They are close to developing nuclear weapons. And even a weak company country with a nuclear weapon. Look.
I believe there is a very real possibility if the Ayatollah develops a nuclear weapon that he would detonate it either in Tel Aviv or New York or Los Angeles. And that would be utterly catastrophic.
Speaker 0: And I
Speaker 1: don't know what the chances are of that. Let me compare and contrast Iran to North Korea. Wait. Can I just ask one last question about trying to
Speaker 0: kill president? Sincerely believe, you promise, that right now the Iranian government is trying to murder our
Speaker 1: president. Yes.
Speaker 0: You sincerely believe right now. Absolutely. And yet you were not calling for military action against the government that's trying to murder our president. Can you explain that?
Speaker 1: I don't think they're very effective. I do think we should by the way, America is support
Speaker 0: You're willing to take that risk? I
Speaker 1: think we should protect the president and we should take out our enemies. Israel is doing that right now.
Speaker 0: But aren't they why would we
Speaker 1: outsource it Israel if they're trying to question was why four regime change? That's a pretty good example of why have four regime change.
Speaker 0: Okay. So you're saying we should just go in and take out the government of Iran. Why would we outsource it to Israel if they're trying to murder a president? Okay. You sound like the isolationist.
What
Speaker 1: I'm saying on any military judgment is there needs to be a cost benefit analysis of what are the risks versus what are the are the are the benefits. In this instance, I think it is enormously in America's interest to do what Israel is doing right now. Take out Iran's senior military leadership and take out their nuclear capacity. That is benefiting America and it is a good risk reward. I would oppose invading Iran and putting boots on the ground to topple the government.
If the risk got severe enough, I would support that. But I think the relative risk is not severe enough to justify that step at this time. What I would absolutely oppose under any circumstances is invading Iran and then staying and trying to turn them into a democracy. And part of where Iraq really went off off the rails is not only did we topple someone who was fighting radical Islamic terrorists who's a bad guy, but then we tried the vision of interventionist, it actually overlaps with the vision of a lot of democrats. Let's go promote democracy in the world.
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 1: And it is our military's job to kill the bad guys, to defend America. It's not their job to defend international norms. It's not their job. So I have zero desire for the US military to turn Iran into Switzerland. Look, would it be nice if they suddenly became Switzerland?
Sure. If I could wave a magic wand, great. But I'm not gonna send your kids or my kids to be in front of guns to go make that happen.
Speaker 0: Well, bless you for that. I think that is the lesson that I learned from Iraq. I promoted that war. Apparently, unlike you, I was dumber. And I think that you just articulated the main lesson of it, is it's hard to do that and we're not good at it.
Speaker 1: But I will And so we are agreeing on that. Will say as a
Speaker 0: Vehemently agreeing.
Speaker 1: As a corollary, that doesn't mean that that horrible evil dictators are okay. And going back to Reagan and the Cold War, we have lots of weapons. I am happy to highlight the brutality, the oppression, the human rights abuses of regimes, even though I don't want to invade them. Because I think the bully pulpit of American leadership is really powerful. And I think dictatorships are terrified.
So I've spent thirteen years in the Senate. One of the things I do frequently is highlight dissidents in Iran and North Korea and China. In Venezuela, people are being tortured. Miriam Ibrahim in Sudan who was sentenced to a hundred lashes and then to be killed for the crime of being a Christian. And I repeatedly went to the Senate floor and shined a light on the government of Sudan.
It was corrupt. It was evil. I practically begged Barack Obama, say her name. Ultimately I felt that way with the j six prisoners. Look, yes.
And we Look, there is power to speaking out. And ultimately, the international Obama never did say her name. He would not say her name. Ultimately, there was enough international condemnation. The government of Sudan let her go.
And so she was not executed. And and I actually I I met her. So she had a two year old son Martin and she gave birth to a little girl named Maya. And she was in leg irons in prison waiting for the death sentence. They were not gonna kill her until she gave birth.
And they told her, we will not kill you if you will renounce Jesus. And she refused. I met her. She was in D. C.
Speaking at a conference after she was released, obviously. She's a tiny woman, a small woman. I asked her, I said, When you were in that prison cell with your kids, how did you have the strength not to just give in to despair? I've never been threatened with murder unless I renounce my faith. And she just said to me with a real peacefulness, she said, Jesus was with me.
And I mean, you and I have not faced that circumstance. But I do think there is a responsibility.
Speaker 0: There's still time.
Speaker 1: There is and I hope we don't. And actually, I'll use another example. John McCain, who you and I disagreed with on a lot of issues. I respected and admired him for his service and time as a prisoner of war. I think his policies I disagreed with vehemently and fought against them.
But the man fought for America and he was thrown in prison and he was tortured by Vietnam. And he was given the opportunity to be released early. And he turned it down because he thought it would be dishonorable to lead before his fellow servicemen and women. And when I first got here
Speaker 0: There were no women there, but
Speaker 1: Okay, man, you're right. When I first got here, McCain hated my guts and he actually referred to me and Rand as wacko birds.
Speaker 0: I remember.
Speaker 1: Have up on the shelf, I have a baseball cap that a grassroots supporter gave me with a picture of Daffy Duck and labeled Wacko Birds, which I liked and laughed with. But when he did that, I went to the Senate floor and I gave a speech praising John McCain. And it was the day he had attacked me publicly. And it happened to be it was the fortieth anniversary of his release for the Hanoi Hilton. And I was consciously I just talked about what a privilege it is to serve with someone who suffered for his country, who served.
And I didn't get into where we disagreed on policy on that speech. I just said, you know, the man is an American hero and I'm proud to serve with him. But that was meant to be a statement also. That if you attack me, I'm gonna praise you not for things that are not praiseworthy. I disagree with you, will not be shy about saying it, but for things that are praiseworthy.
Speaker 0: I remember that. It was 2013. Yeah. And I felt the same way. I went to his cell at the Hanoi Hilton and I Oh, wow.
I agree with you about McCain. I just want to end by asking you specifically about what's going to happen next in Iran and what should happen next. So you've called for regime change. You said you don't favor the US military participating in any kind of regime change. You said you don't think, and bless you for saying this, that the US military should try and turn it into Belgium.
Yeah. Thank God. But there is a third option where it turns into Syria, where it's this open wound and it causes massive migration and further destroys Europe as Syria has.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And that's a huge cost. And where lots of people die and just minorities get murdered in Syria again. Are you worried about that?
Speaker 1: Sure. And listen, that lots of bad things can happen. But going back to what we talked about the principle of defending America. I agree with President Trump that Iran with a nuclear weapon is an unacceptable risk to America and we need to stop it. I agree with president Trump and I'll make a point.
Speaker 0: But he's not for regime change.
Speaker 1: He's not. So he and I disagree. Look, I think he thinks it would be better. He has not said he's for it. And you know what?
Look, is consequential when the president of The United States says, I'm for regime change. So I understand why he hasn't. What he has said is he's drawn a red line and said, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon and the only acceptable outcome is complete dismantlements. They have centrifuges. They're enriching uranium right now.
They're trying to develop a nuclear weapon. He said they they must have complete dismantlement. I led 52 senators, Republican senators in a letter where we said, we agree with president Trump. That's the red line. Complete dismantlement.
I agree with president Trump. I agree with him supporting Israel, taking out Iran's military leadership, taking out their nuclear capability. And I'll point out, look, if you look the first term, I am hard pressed to think of a single foreign policy decision Donald Trump made the first term that I disagree with. And that's not entirely accidental because I spent a lot of time the first term in the Oval Office with him. And what happened in the first term often is you would have in the administration, you had interventionists in the administration, you had isolationists.
And they disagreed. They would fight within the administration. And often what it would give is an opportunity for me to come in and say, hey, there's a middle path here that President Trump agreed with frequently. And it's worth noting in the first term, he most assuredly was not an isolationist. Look, he took out General Soleimani, which I emphatically agree with.
And in fact, I introduced a resolution that we voted on the Senate floor commending him for taking out General Soleimani, was the leader of the IRGC, and who was responsible for killing over 600 American servicemen and women. When Trump came in, ISIS had a caliphate that had grown up under Obama that was about the size of the state of Indiana. And Trump came in and utterly decimated them. He killed the terrorists, took away their caliphate, and defeated them. And he also took out Baghdadi, the head of ISIS.
I mean, those are not the actions of an isolationist. But at the same time I don't know what
Speaker 0: an isolationist. It's just a slur designed to control. I mean, I've never met an isolationist. Don't even know what
Speaker 1: that means. Okay. Rand Paul is my colleague. Rand is an isolationist. And Tucker, you've become one and I don't mean it as a You consistently say you have said Actually, I wanna read from your newsletter because if you ask what an isolationist is, your newsletter a couple of days ago, you wrote Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb and we're hoping to get back to the negotiating table.
We will see. There are several people in leadership in Iran that will not be coming back, Trump said, following the strikes. It's worth taking a step back and wondering how any of this helps The United States. We can't think of a single way. Okay, that to me is the essence of isolationism.
And let me just ask you, the Ayatollah chants death to America, believe him. Do you not believe him? Do you think he doesn't mean it when he says death to America?
Speaker 0: Well, I think he hates America for sure. And I'm opposed to that. And do
Speaker 1: you think he's willing to on it? It's not just hate America, he also is leading a country and trying
Speaker 0: to develop a certain circumstances for sure. So the question is, do you act in a way that makes that more or less likely? And that's a tough call. It's something that you can debate. One of the ways you shut down debate is by calling people names like isolationists, pretending they're like pro Nazi or something, or as you did, claiming I'm an anti Semite.
That's not a way to get to a solution or have a rational conversation. That's a way to make people be quiet. And I I'm against that.
Speaker 1: So if don't like the label isolationist, how would you look, Rand, and I served with Rand. Rand is a friend of mine, but Rand opposes every military action in every circumstance.
Speaker 0: You don't oppose every military This whole thing is infantile, and you know that it is. It's a way it's a way to call people
Speaker 1: names and make them And make
Speaker 0: them be
Speaker 1: Give them another name. If you don't like that, I'm not trying to have you be quiet. We've been talking an hour and a half. I'm asking, if you don't like the name isolationist, what would how would you describe it?
Speaker 0: I would I would describe myself in the same way you falsely described yourself in this conversation.
Speaker 1: Falsely. Yes, falsely. What did I say false?
Speaker 0: You said that the only thing that matters in a foreign policy decision is whether it helps The United States.
Speaker 1: I didn't say the only, I said the predominant.
Speaker 0: That's what I understood.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: So let me revise what you said and apply it to myself and say the only thing that matters is whether or not it serves The United States. And I feel very stung by what happened in Iraq if I'm being honest. Possibly because unlike you I guess, I supported it and I saw us get drawn into it in a way that nobody anticipated and I saw the cost just a month. $3,000,000,000,000? The cost on so many levels to The United States was just so profound and I It was clearly a Gosh.
It reminds me of Kaiser Wilhelm in 1914 saying, my men will be back by the time the leaves turn. And of course, that destroyed destroyed Christian Europe. So it's like you don't really know where these things are going once the shooting starts. That's my only point. And calling people names, anti Semite, isolationist, to get them to stop talking is not the way to serve your country.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to have a real and serious conversation. And look, a lot of this has been contentious. Wish it had not because as we started out by saying, you and I agree vehemently on 80% of the issues. This discussion is focused on the 20% where we don't. You know, I I will say, look, on Iraq, you look at the twenty sixteen presidential campaign where you had 17 Republicans running.
If you set Rand aside and his views are are on one side, There were only two candidates on that stage that opposed the Iraq war. Me and Donald Trump. We're the only two. Everyone else thought the Iraq war was a great thing. I think it was a disaster.
So you and I agree on that as well. In my view, you went I think your foreign policy has gone too far. So I mean, let me ask you. Is there a military action Trump has undertaken that you agree with? Because I've heard anything
Speaker 0: A military look, I would say it's really simple. I believe in self defense. That's why I keep firearms at home. I think it's morally justified to defend yourself, your family, your property, your nation. And so to the extent that you can deter a threat through violence, violence always being the least appealing choice, violence always being, if I can finish, always being a tragedy, I think you can justify the use of violence in self defense.
That is my personal view, and that applies to me and to the country that I
Speaker 1: live in. Those are my views. That's not an
Speaker 0: isolationist view. It's not an anti Israel view. It's not an anti Semitic view with apologies. It is, I think, a pretty common sense view. But my problem is that lawmakers in Washington are light on detail with these things, and they speak as you do entirely in moral terms.
These people are bad. These
Speaker 1: people are I'm not speaking entirely in moral terms. I'm not getting interested in killing bad guys. Not interested in killing people who are trying to kill us. If we That's different. I'm not engaging morale.
Speaker 0: Are you are you now? Because you told that the government of Iran is presently trying to assassinate Donald Trump, and then
Speaker 1: he said is undisputed. There's literally nobody who disputes that Then why
Speaker 0: don't you support military action right now against Iran
Speaker 1: We are engaged in military action right now.
Speaker 0: Then why
Speaker 1: don't you
Speaker 0: why don't you support offensive military action?
Speaker 1: We're bombing the crap out of them. Israel is and we're supporting them. Israel is.
Speaker 0: Okay. So Why shouldn't the US military defend its own president? I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Look. And it goes back
Speaker 0: to Because you don't really believe it's true. That's why
Speaker 1: Everyone Kate, nobody disputes it Tucker. Did did you all get you laid on the moon? What other conspiracy do you not believe? Was nine eleven an inside job?
Speaker 0: I mean, like, what? So where I've asked you the names of these people. I've asked
Speaker 1: how many of the Iranian hitmen. I know it because the US military and the intelligence agencies have testified before congress repeatedly And what did they say? Iran is trying to murder Donald Trump Oh. And has hired hitmen. Do I know the name of the hitmen?
No. I'm sorry. And and I don't think we do either because we would apprehend them if we knew their names.
Speaker 0: Then why don't you take it seriously enough to support killing the Ayatollah in response to protect our president? But you don't. I this doesn't make even make any sense. And you're calling me an isolationist. If I believed that that was true, I would support military action against the government of Iran.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's interesting because there is literally
Speaker 0: You can kill our president.
Speaker 1: Alright. Out of 535 members of congress, I am not aware of one who disputes that Iran is trying to murder Donald j Trump. That's not even the lunious democrat doesn't dispute that. So so I I I don't you're saying if if if you believed what what is I think a fact that they are trying
Speaker 0: to You think it's a fact? Yes. What is the fact exactly?
Speaker 1: That they've hired Where did they
Speaker 0: In The United States. Yes. Americans?
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's not in Iran. So they haven't hired hitmen
Speaker 0: Are they the hitmen American?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, okay. I'm telling you what. And and by the way, I'm I'm not the CIA. I'm not I'm not the Department of Defense.
I'm telling you what they have told I'm not disputing it.
Speaker 0: I'm merely saying
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 0: I'm not. I'm saying the logic train has a massive hole in it. If you believe that's true, then you should by definition support killing the people trying to kill our president. You don't support that. So I'm wondering what's going on here.
Speaker 1: Tucker, you took offense to the word isolationist. And I genuinely don't mean it as a pejorative. I disagree with it. But if you don't like that term, I don't know how else to describe Okay. What is a coherent foreign policy that says I believe we're surrounded by two giant nations.
By the way, isolationism has long been a school of
Speaker 0: foreign policy defense. I I'm not Okay. But but not into the slurs, the anti semite stuff. I I I just don't like that. I I'm telling you what I believe.
Speaker 1: So it but is there a single military action Trump took that you agree with? So do you agree with taking out general Soleimani?
Speaker 0: Oh, I don't know. I it turned out better than I thought, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, you said at the time it would like lead us to World War three.
Speaker 0: I thought I was worried about it.
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen. That proved not the case.
Speaker 0: I was wrong. As I have been many times.
Speaker 1: Did you agree with taking out the ISIS caliphate?
Speaker 0: But my well, if we took out the ISIS caliphate, why are they running Syria right now? And you're for that. Why is that?
Speaker 1: What what do mean? I didn't say I'm for that. You don't have a scene to have a problem with it.
Speaker 0: I did say But ISIS is now running Syria? You're like, oh, we'll see.
Speaker 1: No. I did I did Look. I mean, I know why. But by the way, know why. Asad toppled.
It's hilarious. It's like Assad Oskar
Speaker 0: is bad, but no. ISIS runs Syria, but that's that's fine. We'll just kinda wait and see on on ISIS. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: Know why Hold on a second. I wanna get back. You know why I don't care and and and why and you do your like trademark smirky laugh. I know
Speaker 0: why you don't What are even talking about?
Speaker 1: Why don't I care?
Speaker 0: I don't know why. You tell me. Because you think it's okay because they're not making angry noises or something, but by your own standards, their ISIS is so immoral that they must die. But now they're running Syria and you don't think that we should take military action against the government of Syria because why?
Speaker 1: They're ISIS. What I said is I don't know how good or bad it'll be. Look, I wasn't pushing Assad out. He fell. He fell on his own in part because he was heavily supported by Hezbollah.
And and when Israel took out the Hezbollah leadership, he lost his basis
Speaker 0: for But the current ISIS leadership, you don't think is bad? You can't say it's terrible that ISIS runs a country?
Speaker 1: I am concerned about it. Concerned? Aren't you horrified? I wanna see what they do. But they You gotta wait
Speaker 0: and see attitude on ISIS now?
Speaker 1: On the government of Syria, they are not actively, that I am aware of, trying to murder Americans. And and that's a real dividing line. Are you trying to murder Americans or not?
Speaker 0: I'm just saying it's a little weird that we waged this war against ISIS and now they're running a country in the Mediterranean. I think that people would be very very upset about that. But don't see the very upset about that.
Speaker 1: You agree with Trump taking out al Baghdadi, the head of ISIS?
Speaker 0: I'm totally opposed to ISIS and what I care about is results actually. And if taking out the head of ISIS ends ISIS, I guess I'm for it. But now ISIS runs serious. Okay. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: mean, my point is
Speaker 0: Word at the time, I mean, I've taken so many different positions over the years, some of which have been wrong. I really do my best to be honest and correct if they are and admit that I was wrong. I'm not one these people who's like, I've always been consistent. No. My views change all the time because the facts change all the time.
You're not gonna get consistency from me. You're only gonna get sincerity.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I will say this. And and look, I believe you're sincere.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But I'm not God. I'm just some guy watching trying to figure out the right thing for America.
Speaker 1: And and I think because you believe you were mistaken and I agree previously, I think you've
Speaker 0: overcorrected. Really? Overcorrected? I'm worried about turning this mess in Iran into a much larger mess. That's the concern
Speaker 1: By the way, that's a reasonable worry.
Speaker 0: Look. I know it's reasonable and I know you've been like, you're like ready to call me all these names for asking you're just asking questions. Yes, I am. So here's my question to you. If the Ayatollah is killed in Iran and he very
Speaker 1: well could Well,
Speaker 0: I have just read in the paper this morning that Israel tried to take him out twice and Trump told them not to.
Speaker 1: I have read that. I don't have independent confirmation one way or
Speaker 0: the Do you think that they should take him out?
Speaker 1: So I actually talked about it. As you know, do a podcast every week, Verdict with Ted Cruz. And I actually talked about it in the latest podcast. And I said, look, I've seen the reporting that says that Trump asked them not to take out the Ayatollah. And what I said in the podcast is, I think it's reasonable for them to decide not to try to take him out.
What they've done is targeted just about the entire top level of the military, the people that actually conduct the war. I I can see an argument that taking out both the head of state and a religious leader could make him a martyr and and could cause more problems than it's worth. And by
Speaker 0: the way, if you take
Speaker 1: out the Ayatollah, I don't know if the next guy isn't just as bad. And and so I am
Speaker 0: What happens to the country?
Speaker 1: I I don't know. But you mentioned before, I wanna go back to this. You said something like, you, like most other politicians, are are engaged in in moral terms. And let me be clear. I am talking about national interest.
I am talking about protecting America. So there are bad guys on planet Earth that I don't think we should take out even though they're bad guys. Good. I'll call them bad guys, but but I'm not willing to use US military force to take them out. In this instance, what Israel is doing is taking out their capacity to build nuclear weapons.
Why? Because they judge judge the the risk is too high if they've done nuclear weapons. I
Speaker 0: understand that. I I mean, I understand that. I think it's in progress. I think it'll probably be achieved probably with US military support. Who knows?
But the president said he's for that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, where military support is most needed is Fordow, which is the under. It's a bunker that's built under a mountain. Right. And Israel's taken out most of the rest like Natanz, which is their big enrichment site. They bombed the hell out of it.
Fordow was deliberately built deep into a mountain so that Israel couldn't take it out. And and there's an active discussion because The US has bunker buster bombs that are big enough to take out Fordo.
Speaker 0: 30,000 pounds. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes. And Israel doesn't. So so the one military piece Nor
Speaker 0: the aircraft to fly them. But but here's I guess what bothers me is that I said two weeks ago, the real goal here is regime change in Iran. It's not don't
Speaker 1: think that's Trump's goal.
Speaker 0: And then I don't It's your goal. It's Israel's goal. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just saying it's important to be honest and not lie and not attack people for telling the truth.
Speaker 1: So I believe I've been assiduously honest in this. But words matter. You said the real goal here is regime change and it's your goal. And I wanna be clear.
Speaker 0: Well, you said it was your
Speaker 1: I wanna be clear because words matter. Do I support regime change and would I like a government that doesn't hate America and isn't trying to kill us in Iran? Yes. That's a good outcome. Is that the objective of these military strikes?
I don't think necessarily. I I don't know if it's It's not my objective. My objective is taking up Should it be
Speaker 0: The US If Israel decides we're going to decapitate the government and try to foment an uprising against it, should The United States participate in that operation in any way?
Speaker 1: Look, I have not called for killing the Ayatollah. And there is nations in war generally refrain from attacking and killing heads of state. Now, the Ayatollah doesn't. He's trying to kill Trump. We talked about that.
Speaker 0: But we shouldn't punish him for it.
Speaker 1: Look, There has been a long standing nations in war have refrained from from killing heads of state. I have not publicly called for killing the Ayatollah. What I've called for is doing whatever is necessary to stop him from getting nuclear weapons. In the first Trump term, what that meant was maximum pressure. So in the first Trump term, I spent a lot of time urging the president to withdraw from the disastrous Iranian nuclear deal that Obama had.
President Trump agreed with me. He did that. And then I urged him to end the oil waivers and to sanction the hell out of the country, and it ended up crippling their economy. So so Iran at the time was selling 2,000,000 barrels of oil a day 1,000,000 barrels I'm sorry. 1,000,000 barrels of oil a day.
When president Trump ended the oil waivers, it cut their sales to 300,000 barrels a day. At the end of the Trump term, the Iranian economy was in shambles. They had massive inflation. I think the regime was teetering. I think it might have fallen.
I would use economic sanctions and I would use moral suasion to try to effectuate the regime Okay.
Speaker 0: You topple the regime by whatever means. What happens then? How many people living around by the way?
Speaker 1: I I don't know the population.
Speaker 0: At all?
Speaker 1: No. I don't know the population.
Speaker 0: You don't know the population in the country you seek to topple?
Speaker 1: How many people living
Speaker 0: around? 92,000,000. Okay. Yeah. How could you not know that?
Speaker 1: I I don't sit around memorizing population tables.
Speaker 0: Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government.
Speaker 1: Why is it relevant whether it's 90,000,000 or 80,000,000 or 100,000,000?
Speaker 0: Why is that Because if you don't know anything about the country
Speaker 1: I didn't say I don't know anything about the Okay.
Speaker 0: What's the ethnic mix of Iran?
Speaker 1: They are Persians and predominantly Shia. Okay. No. It's not even you
Speaker 0: don't know anything about Iran. Okay. I am
Speaker 1: not the the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran.
Speaker 0: You're a senator
Speaker 1: who's calling people to throw
Speaker 0: in the government. You're the one who claims claims the country.
Speaker 1: No. You don't know anything about the country. You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump. No. I'm saying that.
Who can't figure out General Soleimani and you said it was bad.
Speaker 0: They're trying to murder Trump. Yes. I you're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation. If you really believe
Speaker 1: that carrying out military strikes today.
Speaker 0: You said Israel was.
Speaker 1: Right. With our help. I said we. Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.
Speaker 0: Well, this you're breaking news here because the US government last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Pfeiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.
Speaker 1: We're not bombing them. Israel's bombing them. You just said we were. We are supporting
Speaker 0: Israel
Speaker 1: as
Speaker 0: You're
Speaker 1: a
Speaker 0: senator. If you're saying the United States government
Speaker 1: is
Speaker 0: at
Speaker 1: war with Iran right now, people are listening. Hey. We are not bombing them. Oh, okay. Israel is bombing them.
Why do you do the snide, oh, okay? What do you mean?
Speaker 0: Because it's this is super high stakes stuff. It's this is a huge country that borders a lot of other important countries. A lot of world's energy comes from there.
Speaker 1: So we have Let me ask you that. Another disaster. You don't want be in reckless Ayatollah refers to Israel as the little Satan and America as the great Satan. Do you believe him? When he says the great Satan, do you think Of course I believe if the Ayatollah could murder both of us right now that he would?
I do. I believe him.
Speaker 0: Okay. I I assume no good faith in the part of the Ayatollah.
Speaker 1: They're not But say implication is
Speaker 0: like I'm pro Ayatollah or
Speaker 1: something No. It's not good faith. It's that I'm
Speaker 0: just saying you're a lawmaker. You're a powerful person in Washington. This is the most powerful country in the world. If you're calling for toppling in government, it's incumbent on you to know something about the country and to think through the consequences of that. And you have it and you don't.
And I'm saying
Speaker 1: that reckless. Sorry. Okay. You are you engage in reckless rhetoric with no facts. And to be clear I'm not calling you to overthrow
Speaker 0: a misleberman. You are.
Speaker 1: You out a newsletter attacking Donald Trump and calling him complicit. I've never attacked
Speaker 0: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Yes. You have. And and and by the way pained
Speaker 0: for Donald Trump. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yes. This is like After anti Semitism, this is the last refuge. You're an
Speaker 0: anti Semit and you hate Trump. Okay. I love Trump.
Speaker 1: I I will read. You put out a whole newsletter saying Trump has abandoned America first. And here's what Trump said in response. Well, considering that I'm the one that developed America first and considering that the term wasn't used until I came along, I think I'm the one who decides that. For those people who say they want peace, you can't have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon.
So for all of those wonderful people who don't want to do anything about Iran having a nuclear weapon, that's not peace. That was directed at you.
Speaker 0: Man, this is you got me.
Speaker 1: Busted. No. I'm just saying.
Speaker 0: My views look, I I like Trump. I campaigned for Trump. I know Trump. I talked to him last night. I'm not against Trump and you know that.
I think that we should be very careful about entering into more foreign wars that don't help us when our country is dying.
Speaker 1: When you say
Speaker 0: don't help us dying.
Speaker 1: Look. Yes. Focus on our country. I'm all for it. But but the the the naivete
Speaker 0: You don't even know how much money this costs.
Speaker 1: You don't know anything about
Speaker 0: the country whose government you wanna throw overthrow, and you're calling me reckless.
Speaker 1: I want to stop a lunatic who wants to murder us from getting nuclear weapons that could kill millions of Americans. Fair. You say, can't see how that benefits America anyway. That is bizarre. And by the way It's not bizarre.
Isolationism. Your foreign policy is the foreign policy of Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. Absolutely. And it doesn't work.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm a big leftist. You mean this is so silly. Now I'm Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. Okay.
Speaker 1: Let me just
Speaker 0: say one last thing.
Speaker 1: How is your foreign policy different from Jimmy Carter's? Seriously. Please. May I ask that question seriously?
Speaker 0: I don't even know what you're talking about. Jimmy Carter? So What century is this? I am the product of the last twenty five years watching carefully, being involved in the periphery, and I see an unending string of foreign policy disasters that have impoverished and hurt our country. Unending string.
An unending string. They would include Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and our inability to stop the Houthis, by way, in Yemen, which exposes us as weak, and I grieve over that. So these are failures. You helped preside over some of them as a member of the senate.
Speaker 1: What what failures foreign policy failures have I presided over?
Speaker 0: Well, we were unable to beat Russia in the war that you supported against Russia. You you've been spending the last three years telling us that Vladimir Putin is evil and we're gonna beat him with other people's children and a million of those kids are now dead. You've never apologized for that. That was a false statement.
Speaker 1: By the way, look. The the level of number of falsehoods you you lay out just in one statement are are are rather
Speaker 0: You haven't supported the war against Russia?
Speaker 1: Are are rather stunning. So the war against Russia was caused, which I have explained in great detail, by Joe Biden's weakness.
Speaker 0: But you supported the war.
Speaker 1: If you wanna talk talk Russia and Ukraine, I'm happy to talk about it.
Speaker 0: I Do you think that's been a success? No. It's been an absolute disaster. Okay. But you supported it.
Shouldn't you apologize?
Speaker 1: No. You should apologize. Not going to engage in the demanding of apologizing. So I'm going to I'm going I'm like, that's my point is all these
Speaker 0: failures and no one ever says I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Do you just throw out If you want to talk, we can talk.
Speaker 0: Okay. I do. I want to know why that seems like a true disaster for The United States. You have supported it.
Speaker 1: Do you believe Joe Biden's weakness caused the war in Ukraine?
Speaker 0: I think Joe Biden's aggression
Speaker 1: caused it. His aggression? What aggression?
Speaker 0: He demanded that Ukraine join NATO. How does that help The United States?
Speaker 1: It would It's a terrible idea and I have vigorously opposed Ukraine joining NATO.
Speaker 0: Okay. So that's what caused the war?
Speaker 1: No, it's not. Alright. Did you want to know what caused the war? Look, you do the dismissive. You're not actually interested in facts.
You're like, okay.
Speaker 0: Okay. Tell me It seems super op You're you're absolutely right, and I'm sorry. That is a tick of mine that is wrong, and I mean this with sincerity. I'm sorry to do that to you. I just think it seems so obvious that sending Kamala Harris to the NATO Security Conference to say, you're gonna join NATO is what triggered the invasion days later.
Speaker 1: Okay. So can I this will take a few minutes to lay out because it's complicated, but I think the facts matter? I think two things caused the war in Ukraine. Number one, I think Biden's incredible weakness and the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Now, I believe we need to leave Afghanistan, but not with the incompetence that involved that led to 13 servicemen and women being murdered by terrorists there.
The way Biden did that was disastrous, and I think our enemies looked to the commander in chief and said, this this president is weak. And when when that that withdrawal was so disastrous, I said publicly at the time, the chances of Putin invading Ukraine have just risen tenfold.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: But secondly, and this is critically important.
Speaker 0: Well, agree that was awful, the And
Speaker 1: it was a major cause of our enemies all said, hey, this president is weak. And so it invited And by the way, look, I despise war and and I think weakness and isolationism produces war because it it invites aggression from our bad guys. It's why I agree with Ronald Reagan's Peace Through Strength. The best way you avoid war is being strong enough that your enemies don't wanna mess with you. But let's get back to Ukraine and and Russia.
Look. Putin didn't wake up two years ago and decided he wanted to invade Ukraine. He's wanted to invade Ukraine for decades. Putin has referred to the collapse of the Soviet Union as quote, the greatest geopolitical disaster of the twentieth century. And Putin has long been explicit.
His desire is to reassemble the old Soviet Union and in fact, reassemble the the Russian Empire that was even bigger than that. If you wanna reassemble the Soviet Union, the natural place to start is is Ukraine.
Speaker 0: Do do you really believe that Putin has territorial designs on Eastern Europe? Yes. What countries?
Speaker 1: He has said that you can go and read his hold on. I I don't wanna lose the narrative of what happened, I we can go back and do that, but I I don't wanna lose telling the story first. So let me let me explain this and then if you wanna go back, we can take all sorts of digressions. But just give me a couple of minutes to lay out the facts of what happened. He has wanted to invade Ukraine a long time.
And he's done it before. In 2014, he invaded Ukraine, invaded Crimea. When Barack Obama was president, he invaded the southern portion. He did not invade the rest of the country. Why?
And the reason is the principal source of revenue for Russia is oil and gas and the natural gas pipelines run right through the country of Ukraine. And he didn't wanna jeopardize his ability to get gas to Europe.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: So in 2015, Putin started a project called Nord Stream two.
Speaker 0: Did anything happen in 2014?
Speaker 1: In terms of what? Wasn't there a
Speaker 0: coup in Ukraine run by the Obama administration?
Speaker 1: Let me finish telling I I told you, we'll take lots of digressions in a second. Let me finish telling the the the narrative. 2015, Putin began building Nord Stream two. Nord Stream two is an undersea pipeline that runs from Russia to Germany. The entire purpose of Nord Stream two is when it was completed and turned on, it would let Russia circumvent Ukraine and get its gas straight to Europe.
In 2019, Nord Stream two was almost complete. And the conventional wisdom in Washington was this is terrible, but there's nothing we can do about it. I didn't believe that. So I drafted sanctions legislation that was targeted to stop the pipeline. My legislation passed the Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support.
It passed the House, and Donald Trump signed it in law.
Speaker 0: Why would Can I just ask, why wouldn't you want Germany to have cheap energy?
Speaker 1: Because it empowers Russia. And I believe in making our enemies weaker and our friends stronger.
Speaker 0: Has blowing up Nord Stream made Germany stronger?
Speaker 1: Not being dependent on Russia has made Germany stronger.
Speaker 0: So you think Germany is stronger now than it was four years ago?
Speaker 1: I think not being dependent on Russia. Germany has all sorts of problems and many of them are domestic to their own politics. Hold on. Let me let me finish. I'm I'm trying No.
Speaker 0: But what you're saying, it doesn't Germany seems so much weaker now that its energy costs have spiked and the manufacturing sector is collapsing because of that. Let
Speaker 1: me finish. I'm focused on America's interest. I don't want Russia stronger because I believe Russia is our enemy. You and I disagree on that. We can talk about that.
But I want our enemies weaker. I don't wanna go to war with Russia, but I want our enemies weaker. I don't want Europe dependent on Russia. I don't want Putin rich with oil and gas revenues and able to invest in his military and pose a threat to America. So the sanctions legislation that I authored, it passed.
Putin stopped building Nord Stream two literally the day that president Trump signed my sanctions legislation in law. He signed it, if I remember right, at 7PM on a Thursday, Putin stopped construction at 06:45PM. So the sanctions legislation worked and it killed the pipeline. The pipeline lay dormant for over a year, just a hunk of metal at the bottom of the ocean. Joe Biden came into office.
He was sworn in on 01/20/2021. Putin resumed deep sea construction of Nord Stream two four days later, January 24. He did so because Biden had foreshadowed weakness on that this issue. That foreshadowing was accurate because several months later, Biden formally waived the sanctions on Nord Stream two and let Putin complete the pipeline. In January of twenty twenty two, I forced a vote on the senate floor to reimpose sanctions on Nord Stream two.
The week of the vote, president publicly called on the Senate, please pass this sanctions legislation. It is the last best hope of stopping Russia from invading Ukraine. At the same time, the government of Poland put out a formal statement from the foreign ministry to the Senate calling on the Senate to pass my sanctions legislation and said, if you do not, Putin will invade Ukraine. The day of the vote, Joe Biden came to Capitol Hill. It's the first time in his presidency he had done that.
He went to the Democrat senators lunch, and he personally lobbied them on this issue. Not any other issue. This was his number one issue that he came to lobby them on. They came out of that lunch. Every Democrat had voted with me twice against Nord Stream two.
44 Democrats flipped their vote. They voted in favor of Russia, in favor of Putin, and four weeks later, Russia invaded Ukraine. That was the direct cause of the war. And if Trump had been president, there would be no war in you.
Speaker 0: May I ask I, of course, disagree with your analysis completely, but I wanna be respectful.
Speaker 1: Okay. So tell me what you disagree with.
Speaker 0: It's it's such a long conversation. I've spent the last couple of years on this, and I just respectfully disagree with with your analysis. But I don't doubt your sincerity that you believe that Putin is our enemy, that it's Western Europe should not be allowed to use Russian energy. I mean, you seem to really believe these things. My question is about results because I think it's relevant to what we're seeing now in Iran.
You look back after having you personally voted to send billions and billions and billions of US tax dollars to Zelensky to support a civil service in the war against Russia and all this stuff. Can you say that what you did worked?
Speaker 1: So I can say what I did personally, sanctioning Nord Stream two worked and prevented a war. And if Trump had still been there, if the sanction had been in effect, there would be no war. I'm in favor of avoiding wars.
Speaker 0: But once the war broke out, you voted to fund it to the tune of billions and billions and billions.
Speaker 1: And to be clear And did that work? Okay. To be to be clear, what I voted for, I voted for the initial tranche of funding and then I voted against the subsequent ones. So it hasn't worked. So I've been in between.
I haven't been on the full Ukraine, full throated hawk side or the anti from day one. I voted for the initial tranche of funding because I wanted Russia to lose. I think the Biden administration administered it in a horrible way. I think they wasted a ton of money. And I think what they did was actually incoherent because they were funding both sides of the war.
I I know. And I was very vocal. And and among other things, flooding a $100,000,000 to Iran, which was used among other things to help the nuclear program, but also to make drones that Russia used
Speaker 0: to fight against my concern. I'm not gonna defend the Biden administration. Really did a lot to wreck The United States.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did the most damaging administration
Speaker 0: has Where we sit now, Russia is stronger. It's closely allied long term with China.
Speaker 1: I don't know that Russia is stronger. I don't think that's right. Okay.
Speaker 0: I think it's pretty obvious that it is. But it's certainly not destroyed. And it's allied long term with China.
Speaker 1: Maybe. That look. That there's no doubt Biden's foreign policy drove Russia into the arms of China and that's what's been occurring. Also have a long history of animosity.
Speaker 0: Western Europe is weaker and more in debt. The United States is weaker and much more in debt. Look. Hold hold on. So you You and are agreeing on a lot.
We're agreeing. We're agreeing. Here's my question. Have you questioned any of your previous assumptions? Did you play any role in this at all?
Are you responsible at all?
Speaker 1: Of course. And like you,
Speaker 0: you said What have you learned?
Speaker 1: Like you, you said you've changed your mind. Yeah. I voted for the first funding of the Ukraine war, and I voted against every subsequent funding stream because it wasn't working. And I looked at what was happening and said, this is not working. And had the money been spent in an intelligent way and not wasted, and had it been successful, I might have been willing to fund more.
But it wasn't successful so I voted no. And and the war is going to end. Look, president Trump campaigned on ending the war. I think he's frustrated because Putin has been less than eager to reach a deal to end the war, but it's going to end. You're not gonna see another dollar coming from Do think he
Speaker 0: wants to end
Speaker 1: the war? I think Zelenskyy has behaved horribly. I think his Oval Office meeting will go down in history as the worst Oval Office meeting of any leader that has ever come to the Oval Office. I think he behaved like a pompous ass. And I think he is unrealistic.
I think Zelensky spends his time with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the New York Times and he believed he was going to the Oval Office as a resist figure. And I think he's doing real damage to his country right now.
Speaker 0: You described him many times as a hero. Do you
Speaker 1: I don't believe I don't recall ever using the word hero. I will
Speaker 0: say I do.
Speaker 1: Look. I'm not I'm not a Zelensky cheerleader. And and I'm not in the business of saying everyone we support has to be a sage and everyone we oppose has to be a villain. I'm not in the morality game. I'm in The US interest game.
Why did I want Nord Stream two stopped? Because it would strengthen Russia and Russia's our enemies. It's entirely US interest.
Speaker 0: Did you support the industrial sabotage against it? Blowing it up?
Speaker 1: So I think you believe America did that. Is that right?
Speaker 0: Of course.
Speaker 1: Okay. I think the chances of that are zero.
Speaker 0: You think Russia did it?
Speaker 1: No. I think Ukraine did it. So I don't know who did it. In terms of the theories that had been put out there, the idea that Russia blew up their own pipeline never made any sense to me at all. That that just I I can't even articulate why they would do that.
The idea that Biden did that look. I could see it being in US interest to do that, to blow up Nord Stream 2. I just think Biden was too weak. I don't believe Joe Biden But are you in I guess you in what So so that leads
Speaker 0: The Norwegians, the the Ukrainians, NATO, whatever.
Speaker 1: Look. Look.
Speaker 0: That leads
Speaker 1: me to, you you know, who benefits? And and it leads me to think either the Ukrainians blew it up or Ukraine's allies. I don't think Biden did because I just Biden was so weak. I don't think he would give the order. I I find that implausible.
Speaker 0: But you're in favor of it.
Speaker 1: Look. I was in favor of stopping it. I think I think blowing it up is is a was a good thing. So so I'm I'm supportive of that, but I don't think America did that. I I don't think Biden gave that order.
Speaker 0: But in general I
Speaker 1: see Trump giving that order, but he wasn't in office.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And you think that the largest acts of industrial sabotage in history helped our allies in Western Europe or other fellow NATO members?
Speaker 1: Look, I gotta say, I don't understand. For some reason, you are really invested in defending Russia. You with that. I'm genuinely like I don't get why you're so passionate about defending Russia.
Speaker 0: Actually, was defending Western Europe, the home of my ancestors, and that tripling their energy costs and destroying their industrial No. No. Not like. You just accused me of being an antisemite, an isolationist, and a Russia lackey. I've not called you a neocon once, which you are, but I
Speaker 1: haven't said And that's absurd. I I Those neocons that oppose the Iraq war and and Right. But like that that's
Speaker 0: the song. But so okay. But I haven't called you that because name
Speaker 1: calling said, which you are. I see. Just called that. Okay. Called me that.
You just did. I I guess what I'm saying
Speaker 0: is you're triggered because I use name calling. I get it. I was triggered when you called me names. And I'm triggered once again that you're calling me a Russia defender when in fact I'm defending Western Europe. And I don't think that you can Do you think
Speaker 1: Putin's our enemy? I
Speaker 0: well, he's well, he's literally our enemy. You are funding a war against Do
Speaker 1: you think he is our no. You're saying we're his enemy. Do you think Putin is our enemy?
Speaker 0: I think it is a tragedy that your policies your policies, specifically yours, helped drive Putin into the arms of China forming a block that's larger
Speaker 1: than So you won't answer that question?
Speaker 0: I don't. He is literally our enemy right now. That is a tragedy for The United States.
Speaker 1: No. No. You're saying but you won't say he is our enemy. Look. Like, I don't You know what saying?
Speaker 0: Don't want to be enemies with Russia. It doesn't help us at all. It may help some people in The United States, but in general, I don't want to be.
Speaker 1: I don't wanna be at war with Russia. I don't think it is in our interest to be at war with
Speaker 0: Russia. With China. That is a disaster.
Speaker 1: But listen. No doubt. And I want Russia and China attention. So I agree with you there. But but I think Putin is a KGB thug.
I think he is a bad man. Now, I don't wanna go to war with him over that. Okay. But but I'm not naive. And and, like, I watched your He's bad man.
Speaker 0: He's a bad man. Okay.
Speaker 1: Look, I watched your episode where you went to the Russian grocery store and I'm I'm
Speaker 0: genuinely Was that disloyal do you think?
Speaker 1: It was just weird. Was weird. It was like a promo video for Russia. And I don't understand. I'm not attacking you when I ask why because I'm genuinely like I don't get
Speaker 0: when you called me and I said something, you weren't attacking me. You were just noticing. No. But may I ask you a question? So here well, me just answer yours by saying The United States, the Biden administration, with your help, full support, began this war on Russia in response to their invasion of Ukraine.
And one of the things there was they kicked Russia out of SWIFT, out of the international financial system. And my first response was, this is gonna really hurt the US dollar, which it has, and I hope someday we can have a conversation about that. It's really, really hurt the one thing that we needed, which was to retain dollar supremacy. So I was interested in the economic condition.
Speaker 1: By the way, that's a reasonable point and a serious conversation to
Speaker 0: be aware. I'm aware. And I was
Speaker 1: But I can agree with you. Like like No.
Speaker 0: No. But I was accused of being I think it's weird that you went to a Russian grocery store and said it was prosperous. No. My point
Speaker 1: is It looked like a commercial. Looked like a commercial. Isn't this wonderful?
Speaker 0: No. Was an argument against the efficacy of sanctions. Sanctions against Russia, which you casually and enthusiastically imposed, scoring a little moral victory every time, had no material effect that helped The United States. Russia is backstopped by China, and when you and I recommend that you go and see it, it is way nicer than Washington DC. Way nicer.
To me, that's a tragedy. I was horrified and angry at my leaders including you. It's like, I wanna live in a country this nice with low food costs and no homeless people. I I don't understand why that's too much to ask.
Speaker 1: So do I.
Speaker 0: Instead, I get worse with Iran. No. I just want lower food costs. How's that?
Speaker 1: So look, it's a weird argument that you do often which is, listen, things are crappy in America. Liberal wait. Liberals have done bad things to America, so we shouldn't worry about any other Republican senators don't
Speaker 0: care about us. They're focused on other countries.
Speaker 1: You wrote
Speaker 0: that in is dying, and you don't care
Speaker 1: because you're focused on Iran
Speaker 0: or Putin.
Speaker 1: So so you believe that I don't care about America. I guess you believe Donald Trump doesn't either. Like, nobody cares.
Speaker 0: I believe that your focus is way too on other countries. It's way too focused outward. The money that you send abroad could be used here and should be.
Speaker 1: What money that I send abroad? By the way, emphatically agree
Speaker 0: with with Ukraine. You don't even know.
Speaker 1: I emphatically agree with with Donald Trump's, for example, dramatically slashing USAID. I think the only reason we should be deploying that is to benefit US interest, national security interest and keep Americans safe. So How much did you vote to send to Ukraine? Look, you're in about $80,000,000,000. 80,000,000,000.
Yeah. So you're in You love just giving these broad characterizations that are not accurate. I'm genuinely puzzled. Look. I don't wanna go to war with Russia.
I I I but I don't think they're our our friend. I think Putin
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think Putin is a murderer. I think he's a liar. And I think he does not wish well on America. Okay. And there's a difference between saying that just like Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as an evil empire and Putin was in the KGB.
Look, my father was imprisoned and tortured in Cuba. I hate communists. It was actually Batista that tortured my dad. My aunt was imprisoned and tortured by Castro. I hate communists.
I think communism is evil. And so I think there is a value to there is nobody who stands up to communist China more in the senate than I do because I think they're evil. Do I wanna go to war with China? Of course not. That would be ridiculous.
But I think we have all sorts of tools to stand up to our enemies. And I think China is engaged in a thousand year war against The United States. They're trying to defeat us.
Speaker 0: So all over the map where your family imprisoned in Cuba and China and all this stuff. I just I agree with you. I'm totally opposed to communism, always have been. I don't think that Putin loves us. I'm distressed by the moral condition of most leaders around the world, most of them.
They all kill people. I'm against that. I'm just saying I wish the focus here
Speaker 1: more on the actually don't agree with that statement. They all kill people. There's a moral relativism. I don't think Donald Trump is a murderer. He doesn't kill people.
We don't have concentration Donald
Speaker 0: Trump a murderer.
Speaker 1: I'm You just said world leaders all kill people. And and there's a a moral relativism. I'm hardly a moral relativist. But you are. You just that statement was the essence
Speaker 0: I'm anti Semite and isolationist to moral relativist. Okay. No.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Did you just say world leaders all guilty?
Speaker 0: I'm saying I'm against killing people in general. And hyperventilating about how Putin was in the KGB or whatever. But I just wanna serve American interest and pushing into China is not in our interest at all. But And you helped do it and you haven't apologized.
Speaker 1: And and by the way, you're the cheerleader. I helped drive him into China. You did. A complete lie. You funded the war against him.
No. I I authored the legislation that shut down Nord Stream two that prevented the war. And and if Trump had still been in the White House, we would have had the war. And and look, the comment you made, the the reason things like moral relativism are so dangerous, oh, everyone kills people. No.
There is a difference. The United States moral relativism. We don't have concentration camps. We don't torture and murder people. You look at China where they've got a million prisoners in concentration camps.
You look at Putin where he's got prisoners in Siberia. He he tortures and murders his political opponents. Donald Trump doesn't do that. America doesn't do that. And by the way What
Speaker 0: are you
Speaker 1: most other countries don't do that.
Speaker 0: I see the game. It's like I'm No. You're the one playing again.
Speaker 1: I'm distressed. No. I'm responding with facts. You don't like the facts?
Speaker 0: The I don't even know what facts you're talking about. I'm not saying that Trump puts people in concentration camps. I vote I campaign for Trump. I love Trump.
Speaker 1: So did I.
Speaker 0: Okay. So this has nothing to do with Trump. I'm merely saying When you
Speaker 1: said every world leader kills people, it drops a small
Speaker 0: emphasis emphasis on what's happening inside the country. That's it.
Speaker 1: There a moral difference between America and our enemies? Is there a moral joke in America? And what is it? Articulate it. It's valuable to say why.
Why are we a better country founded on better values than China? Tell you what's the difference between why. I know I
Speaker 0: Because the whole purpose of America is to protect the God given rights that each person possesses by virtue of being created by God. Amen. By being human. That's the point of our founding documents, and no other country articulates that in the way that we do. And that's what I love about America.
My family's been here a long time. I'm never leaving. So I really love the country. Despite going to a Russian grocery store, despite asking questions about APAC, I love America, is the truth, and I love Trump. So But I just want more emphasis on America.
That's it.
Speaker 1: I emphatically agree with America first. I think Donald Trump does as well. And I think his foreign policy has been vigorously protecting that and I agree with the press.
Speaker 0: Good. Well, I appreciate you're taking all this time. Sure. And I know you didn't mean it.
Speaker 1: How many copy those names?
Speaker 0: Thank you, senator.
@MilaLovesJoe - Mila Joy
Why this liberal voted for Donald Trump in 2024. https://t.co/vPuC1rKAzR
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A former Democrat who was a vegan, LGBTQ, and environmental activist says they left the Democratic party in 2021, believing the liberal movement had become a fascist, woke movement that silences dissent.
The speaker says they now align with classical liberals on most social issues, lean left, and voted for Donald Trump. They support and identify with MAGA, which they see as a centrist movement, not a traditional Republican or GOP or conservative movement.
They will make independent choices based on candidates, policies, and history, and advises liberals to listen to those who are tired of "woke shit," noting that some woke politicians like Gavin Newsom are turning their backs on the movement.
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Speaker 0: Liberal fatigue is very real, former Democrat here as well. I left the Democratic party in 2021 after a decade, and I was in pretty deep. I was a vegan, LGBTQ, and an environmental activist. I hit the streets often, but I walked away in 2021 because I saw what I thought was a liberal movement turned to a woke movement, which was actually more of a fascist movement, especially when they started trying to silence or cancel anyone who disagreed with them on literally anything. I tend to align with classical liberals on most social issues.
I still lean very left, but, yes, I voted for Donald Trump. And now I support MAGA, and I identify with MAGA. And I do not identify MAGA as a traditional Republican or GOP or conservative movement. I believe MAGA to be more of a centrist type movement, and I do align closely with them. I'm not a Republican for many reasons, and I will not devote any of my votes in the future to Republican nor against the Democratic party.
I will make an independent choice based on the candidates and the policies and their history as politicians or business people, whatever their background may be. But I just wanna say to the liberals, you might actually wanna listen to a lot of the people that are saying they're sick and tired of the fucking woke shit. That's why you see many of your woke politicians such as Gavin Newsom turning his back on you now. I mean, I guess you still have people like walls in your court, but I don't know what good that guy is. Either which way, you might wanna pay attention.
You might just wanna pay attention.
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NOW - Trump completely and totally endorses Jake Paul for political office. https://t.co/Ce6DsJBsTu
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- Speaker 0: God is with us. He wants us on the right side of history, and everyone here has to do their part. God's got us. Trump's got us. God bless. Love you, Kentucky.
- Speaker 1: Now he's a great guy. He's a courageous guy and a talented guy. He's a hell of a fighter too, by the way. And I just wanna say, I predict I'm gonna make a prediction that you will be in the not too distant future running for political office. Okay? And you have my complete and total endorsement. Okay? Now that's what we want. He's an incredible guy. What a courage and smarts.
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Speaker 0: God is with us. I know he wants us on the right side of history, and everyone here has to do their part. And God's got us. Trump's got us. God bless.
Love you, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Now he's a great guy. He's a courageous guy and a talented guy. He's a hell of a fighter too, by the way. And I just wanna say, I predict I'm gonna make a prediction that you will be in the not too distant future running for political office. Okay?
And you have my complete and total endorsement. Okay? Now that's what we want. He's an incredible guy. What a courage and smarts.