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TPostMillennial
Posted - December 9, 2022 at 2:32 AM
Saved - July 7, 2025 at 5:40 AM

@TPostMillennial - The Post Millennial

Dan Bongino @dbongino offers a heartfelt thank you to @elonmusk, and says that "he has done a service to this country" by buying Twitter and exposing censorship and collusion within the company. https://t.co/QAk6knjnlQ

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Elon Musk stated the media is complicit and lied to the American public, spending minimal time on the story of election interference. He admitted Twitter acted as a propaganda arm of the Democratic party. Congress should demand transparency from Meta, Facebook, Google, Apple, and YouTube. Regardless of the financial outcome for Musk, he has done a service to the country by exposing how big tech will operate moving forward. The press colluded to interfere in the 2020 election, particularly regarding the Hunter Biden story. This was malfeasance, active collusion between the FBI, DHS, DNI, FEC, Twitter, and big tech, to steal the country. Republicans in Congress need to act. To win future elections, Republicans need open platforms like Twitter and Facebook, not just Fox News. There is relentless targeting, including Facebook fact-checking, Google banning, YouTube banning, and Twitter shadow banning.
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Speaker 0: Let's go back to Elon Musk, and let's go back to his words here. And he said the media is complicit, and they were lying to the American public. They spent a total of seven seconds this weekend on the Sunday programs talking about this huge, story that broke last Friday, or Elon Musk himself saying, if you shut down dissenting voices, it is by its very definition election interference. He even admitted that the that Twitter was acting as the propaganda arm of the Democratic party in this election. Election interference. Now we're not even including Meta or Facebook or Zuckerberg. We're not including Google. We're not including Apple. We're not including YouTube. And I think that congress needs to demand that they become as transparent as as Elon Musk has become here, and I give him a lot of credit for this. Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen. To Elon Musk, I don't know if you're watching or not, but, if you see it later, just a heartfelt thank you. You know, I I I was talking to our good friend Mark Levin before and his great radio show. Speaker 2: And Mark said the same thing. Regardless yeah. Thank you, Ray. You know, Sean, regardless of what happened By Speaker 0: the way, I look forward. Dan, you gotta love Mark. He's the best guest. He's the only one that tells you, That's it. I'm done. Go ahead. I I know he hired Speaker 2: a well, when he's when you're when you're called the great one, Speaker 1: you can do that kind of stuff. That's why. Speaker 2: You know? Defer to Mark. But with Elon Musk, you know, well, regardless of what happens, he may lose legitimately may lose billions of dollars on this acquisition. I don't think he will. I think he's a creative guy, and I think he's gonna build this thing out to be something special. But he has done a service to this country. He he has literally, not figuratively, changed the history of, I think, how big tech is gonna operate moving forward. He's exposed one key point. I want the audience to understand this. That what the press did to collude and interfere in and potentially fleece the twenty twenty election away from Donald Trump based on the pay based on solid data, a polling taken afterwards about how people would have voted if they would have known about the Hunter Biden story. We're not getting into any other stuff. I'm talking strictly about that. The media intentionally did that, Sean. This is my point. This wasn't misfeasance. Right? Misfeasance is different. You see someone trip on the sidewalk in front of you. You don't help them. That's misfeasance. That's not what this was. This was malfeasance. A guy trips on the sidewalk in front of you, and you kick him in the teeth as he's getting up. They did this on purpose. This was active collusion between the FBI, people in the DHS, the DNI, people at the FEC who'd heard about this stuff, Twitter and big tech to steal away your country. And you know what? Listen to me, folks. They did it. And Elon Musk is trying to help you get it back to the Republicans in congress who now are about to take over in January. You better grow some moose nuts, and you better do something about this, or we're not gonna have a damn country left. This is the public square. I love Fox News, and I love working here. But, Sean, even though we have the biggest shows in prime time, it's still just a small population of America. We cannot win an election in the future with just Fox News. You need Twitter to be open. You need Facebook to be open. You need these other platforms. It's why I put my money behind these other things too because like you said, I'm trying to build this parallel economy out. Maybe that's why I'm public enemy number one to these guys, Sean. I don't know. But I'm telling you, I promise the audience, don't whine about it every day on my show because I'm not a snowflake. You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. With Facebook fact checking my page over nonsense, Google banning us, YouTube banning us, Twitter shadow banning us, this it's relentless. It never stops. They have put a target on my back for a long time now. Speaker 0: And that it's because you're effective. That's why. I got off this platform myself. My my staff uses it because I just got sick of it. Dan Bongino, thank you, and we appreciate you joining us. Alright.
KCPayTreeIt
Posted - April 20, 2023 at 5:43 PM
Saved - November 8, 2024 at 7:44 AM

@KCPayTreeIt - 🔥🇺🇸 KC 🇺🇸🔥

You’re better off for this @dbongino and trust the process my friend! Getting away from Faux News will be the best thing you ever did 🦾❤️🇺🇸

@DailyCaller - Daily Caller

@dbongino BONGINO: "Regretfully, last week was my last show on @FoxNews." https://t.co/NOGwTL6A92

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Last week was my final show on Fox News. It’s difficult to share this news, but I wanted to inform my team first.
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Speaker 0: Folks, regretfully, last week, my was my last show on Fox News on the Fox News channel. I haven't told Joe that. I know Guy, who's in the office with me, knew him before the show. I did let my team know, here this morning, and, it's, it's tough. It's tough to say that.
ReadeAlexandra
Posted - April 24, 2023 at 5:32 PM
Saved - April 25, 2023 at 12:41 PM

@ReadeAlexandra - Tara Reade 🐎

I appreciated that when no mainstream journalists would fairly cover what happened to me when I worked for Joe Biden in 1993, @TuckerCarlson did. He has been out spoken against the proxy war the US and NATO fighting in Ukraine and other major topics as the Biden administration takes us all to WWIII. He called it out! He is a heroic voice above the noise.

AllBiteNoBark88
Posted - November 9, 2023 at 1:16 AM
Saved - November 9, 2023 at 4:01 AM

@AllBiteNoBark88 - The White Rabbit Podcast 🐰

MILITARY LISTEN UP WHO & WHAT ARE YOU NOW DEFENDING? https://t.co/SV3xR7deXP

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To the military personnel worldwide, especially in the Five Eyes Nations, I have received truthful information that led to my social media accounts being shut down. But who are you really fighting for? Wars were never about loyalty to the country. The great awakening has revealed the horrifying truth that the mainstream media hides. You would be defending corrupt bankers, communists, and those who have destroyed our lives. These people start wars but never risk their own lives or their loved ones'. I urge you to protect your family, especially children, and remove them from being used as pawns in the greedy fraudsters' genocidal plans.
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Speaker 0: Have a message, to the guys and girls in the military around the globe, but particularly in the Five Eyes Nations. Some of you have shared information with me over the last 3 years that were so truthful and real That I watch my social medias fall like dominoes. Boom boom boom. YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Spotify gone. Cancelled. Nicola Charles. Had to come back as the white rabbit, and who knows how long I'll be around as the white rabbit because I'm tiring of their games. But who is it exactly you'd be going to fight for? Were wars ever about queen and country? I doubt it. Now, Looking back with fresh eyes. But the great awakening is upon us and though some people are still living in that giant city called denial, the rest of us have left The city of denial. And we're faced with the true, real horror of what's going on. A horror you won't see on the mainstream media because they're selling you story time for 5 year olds. Now what you'd be defending are banksters and fraudsters, Communists, Marxists, BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street and their assets globally. And they're happy to use you as fodder. You'd be defending medical tyranny and all of the things that have destroyed our lives over the last 3 years. But here's a really important point, aside from the fact that I don't think us, The innocents in the 99% should be used as cannon fodder. The really important thing about these monstrous people is that though they may start these wars, cause these wars, engineer these wars, agitate these wars, They themselves and their children and their loved ones never go to war. My advice to you if you're in the military or you have family, particularly children, in the military is get them out. Don't let them be used as cannon fodder so that these greedy fraudsters can continue on with their genocidal plot.
LivingDadJoke
Posted - November 9, 2023 at 8:17 PM
Saved - November 10, 2023 at 1:40 AM

@LivingDadJoke - Dylan Griffith

Show me a man that will sacrifice his life in defense of his ancestral land and I’ll show you a hero. https://t.co/grIKq1vc6h

dom_lucre
Posted - November 9, 2023 at 10:45 PM
Saved - November 9, 2023 at 11:43 PM

@dom_lucre - Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives

I’ll never forget when CNN lost connection during this soldier’s rant. https://t.co/Fmlx451KmD

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Republicans claim that Ron Paul's plan to bring troops back from around the world is dangerous. However, it is even more perilous to engage in unnecessary wars with other nations. Iran and Israel, for instance, are both capable of handling their own affairs. Unfortunately, our tech connection was lost.
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Speaker 0: Republicans out there have been saying that Ron Paul would be very dangerous for this country because he wants to bring troops like you back from your post from all over the world. Well, I think it would be even more dangerous to start nitpicking wars with other countries. Someone like Iran Israel is more than capable Alright. We just lost our tech connection.
mollie_don
Posted - November 30, 2023 at 8:26 PM
Saved - July 7, 2025 at 5:28 AM

@mollie_don - ❥❥❥ᗰoᒪᒪie❥❥❥

I want to give a 🖤HUGE ❤️ SHOUTOUT to Dan Bongino for telling these haters off. If you aren’t already following him Please follow 👉🏻@dbongino 👈🏻 If you’re on Rumble follow him there as well, you’ll love his show. 📣“The Dan Bongino Show” 📣 (Video👇🏻 from The Dan Bongino Show)

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The speaker advocates resisting cancel culture by painting one's face and displaying it at NFL and college games. This action is presented as a way to tell cancel culture to "stick it up your ass." The speaker dedicates this act to "Karens of the world like Karen Phillips" and to a young man named Holding Armenta, who the speaker believes did the right thing. The speaker urges everyone to paint their faces to show "these cancel culture assholes" that they don't care.
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Speaker 0: Sometimes you just gotta give the double barreled middle finger and tell cancel culture portions of liberal leftist socialist communist America. You can take cancel culture in a nice ball. You can roll it up just like this. Big or small, I don't really care. You can take it, and you can stick it right up your ass. So this little paint job we did on my face today oh, look. Oh, he's got bubble. Who? No. He does it. Oh, no. Look at it. This is dedicated to the Karens of the world like Karen Phillips. No offense because people named Karen. Again, my name's Dan, but I'm not taking the cancel culture bullshit anymore, and I suggest you don't either. I suggest everybody show up at every NFL game this weekend, college game as well, and paint your face just like I did. Paul and I learned it took about ten minutes. You take a little clump of face paint, you put it on your face. You paint one side, you paint the other side. But this is your way to tell cancel culture, stick it up your ass. Karen Phillips is dedicated to you and a holding armenta, that sweet young kid who did the right thing, not the easy thing representing his team. Stand strong, brother. We're all with you. Paint your face too. Show these cancel culture assholes. We really don't care. Joseph? Karen, why did you do that? I don't know why Karen did that, but I know why I did this. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
lakemonstercl1
Posted - December 8, 2023 at 12:06 AM
Saved - December 8, 2023 at 2:47 AM

@lakemonstercl1 - 🇺🇸Steve2A🇺🇸God🇺🇸Family🇺🇸Country🇺🇸

They don’t care about the American people, that much is very obvious. Leave our sons and daughters alone. https://t.co/pF2qSQ4zL0

CaliRN619
Posted - February 11, 2024 at 2:05 PM
Saved - February 11, 2024 at 2:50 PM

@CaliRN619 - CaliRN619 🚑🩺🚑

I’m excited to have someone stand up for America for a change! We will not be the world’s bank We will not sacrifice or children Pay your own way and send your own kids to fight https://t.co/tB409OR9bp

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A president of a big country asked if their country would be protected if they were attacked by Russia and hadn't paid their bills. The speaker responded that if they hadn't paid, they would not be protected and would even encourage Russia to do as they pleased. The speaker emphasized the importance of paying bills.
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Speaker 0: They asked me that question. 1 of the presidents of a big country stood up said, well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, will you protect us? I said, you didn't pay? You're delinquent? He said, yes. Let's say that happened. No, I would not protect you. In fact I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.
TaraBull808
Posted - March 1, 2024 at 12:45 PM
Saved - March 29, 2024 at 9:29 PM
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Top 10 headlines this week: Salesforce CEO buying land in Hawaii, Tucker Carlson claims election was stolen, Google loses market value, Athens mayor denies connection between death and illegal immigration, Trump cheered by immigrants at border, Elon Musk's Grok AI to summarize laws, Congressional inquiry into journalist's firing, Russian forces arrest man planning attack on Tucker Carlson, calls to shut down Gemini AI, Pentagon investigates theft and corruption linked to Ukrainian aid. Biden's comment about fire not burning homes with the right roof also mentioned. Thanks to subscribers for their support.

@TaraBull808 - TaraBull

Top 10 headlines the media didn't tell you this week, Repost & FoIIow for more 10. Salesforce CEO is quietly buying up land in Hawaii. 9. Tucker Carlson claims that the 2020 election was 100% stolen. 8. Google loses over $70 billion in market value after Gemini AI was exposed as being woke. 7. Mayor of Athens, Georgia says Laken Riley's death is “not connected” to illegal immigration. 6. Donald Trump receives cheers from immigrants at the southern border. 5. Elon Musk's Grok AI will have the ability to summarize lengthy laws BEFORE Congress sneaks them through. 4. Investigative Journalist's firing sparks Congressional Inquiry into CBS News. 3. Russian forces arrested a man for a planned attack on Tucker Carlson, allegedly orchestrated by Ukraine's Intelligence. 2. Calls to shut down Gemini after Google's AI chatbot refused to say if Hitler or Elon Musk is worse. 1. The Pentagon is investigating over 50 cases of theft, fraud, and corruption linked to Ukrainian aid. Is it time to stop Funding this endless war? If you appreciate this Top 10 recap, remember to Repost and FoIIow me for another week in a clown world 🤡🌎

@TaraBull808 - TaraBull

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@TaraBull808 - TaraBull

What did Biden just say about the fire not burning homes that have "the right roof"? https://t.co/bkvpKJ6MZ7

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Flying over burned areas, you'll notice one house standing among 20 destroyed homes due to having the right roof. Since taking office, FEMA has assisted Texas extensively.
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Speaker 0: Because a lot if you fly over these areas that are burned to the ground, you'll see in the midst of 20 homes that are just totally destroyed, one home sitting there because they had the right roof on it. And, anyway, since I took office, FEMA's provided Texas alone.
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They avoided burning something blue, like a car and an umbrella, both of which caught fire. Laser weapons can be adjusted for various wavelengths.
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Speaker 0: There was something blue they didn't want to burn. Blue car did burn in flames, same as the blue umbrella. Laser weapons can be programmed for different wavelengths. There was something blue that they didn't want to burn. Blue car did burn in flames, same as the blue umbrella.

@TaraBull808 - TaraBull

Huge thanks to those who have Subscribed to me, your continued support means more than you know. 🫶🏻

18Causeway
Posted - August 23, 2024 at 8:33 PM
Saved - August 23, 2024 at 11:21 PM

@18Causeway - 6rings

@IanMalcolm84 @DustyLocanes @RealCandaceO @DanBilzerian They still do youtube shows all the time. Someone needs to host these true patriots and give them a fucking voice!!!! https://t.co/n4JHyHhJRI

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The speakers claim the attack on their ship was not an accident, but a planned military operation by the Israelis. They assert the Israelis conducted reconnaissance missions beforehand, taking photographs to identify targets. According to the speakers, the attackers aimed to disable communication, sink the ship, and eliminate survivors. They say the aircraft were sent to make them incommunicado, torpedo boats to sink the ship, and helicopters to kill survivors. The speakers state the ship was clearly marked as American with flags and markings, and a pilot was recorded identifying it as such. They believe the attackers knew exactly what to hit, targeting specific personnel and using shrapnel to inflict maximum casualties.
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Speaker 0: This it was not a mistake, and it they wanted to sink us. And and, what does that mean to this country? Speaker 1: How did they know how to hit all those antennas at one time that quick? It was because they had they had a plan for hours and hour, maybe days. Speaker 2: It wasn't an accident. You don't send the aircraft out and then torpedo boats out and then armed helicopters out. That's not an accident. That's a planned attack. Speaker 3: The aircraft were sent to make us incommunicados who couldn't send an SOS out. Torpedo boats were sent to sink us, and the helicopters were sent to pick off survivors, so there'd be no choice. It was a perfectly executed military operation. Speaker 0: The Israelis had run anywhere from 9 to 13 reconnaissance missions on us in the morning. Speaker 1: And they were instructed clearly what to hit. So why would they take all those photographs? Number 1, our flag was up. Okay? So that's on all their films because they're filming the whole ship. But they're if you're coming that many times, to me, you're going out there to get every piece of inch on that on that ship to go back into the war room in Tel Aviv and have Musi Dayan say, okay, this, this, this, and this, and this. They got the first people they wanted to kill with the with the anti personnel weapons when they started the first strafe. So then they shot the 3 inch cannons into our the side of our ship and that shrapnel blew everybody to pieces. So once you got in, you weren't you were probably less safe there because they were gonna shoot that full of holes to get the shrapnel to kill Speaker 3: you. Less than 2 seconds, it had taken out all our communication capability. Speaker 1: I was there. I witnessed it. My shipmates witnessed it. There wasn't anything close to an accident or accidental because we had everything there to say we were an American ship. We wear little white hats. Okay. We have flags. We have markings on the side of our ship. Every person in a war room knows how to identify every ship there is on the seas. Even we have on tape a pilot saying it's an American ship.
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It is believed that the attack on the USS Liberty was not a pure case of mistaken identity. It's time for Israel and the U.S. government to provide the crew members and the American people with the facts of what happened and why the Liberty was attacked. Shortly before his death and burial at Arlington, Captain McGonagall sent an open letter to President Clinton calling for Israel to acknowledge publicly that its armed forces deliberately attacked the USS Liberty. McGonagall was a sailor's captain and a friend. Towards the end of his life, McGonagall confided in his old friend, the chief engineer.
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Speaker 0: I had wanted to believe that the attack on the Liberty was pure error. It appears to me that it was not a pure case of mistaken identity. I think that it's about time that the state of Israel and the United States government provide the crew members of the Liberty and the rest of the American people the facts of what happened and why it came about that the liberty was attacked 30 years ago to rape. Speaker 1: Less than 2 years later, McGonagall himself would be buried at Arlington. Shortly before he died, he sent an open letter to president Clinton calling for Israel to acknowledge publicly that her armed forces had deliberately attacked the USS Liberty. Speaker 2: Captain McGonagall was more than just a captain and an aide. He was a friend. He was a sailor's captain. Speaker 1: Towards the end of his life, McGonagall confided in his old friend, the chief engineer. Speaker 2: Captain, I was was was real close. And,
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The speaker was questioned about his duty station on the USS Liberty as a scene leader and member of the forward repair party. He saw two torpedoes aft but not the one that hit the ship, and believed the ship would sink. An admiral threatened the speaker, stating that if he repeated one word about the USS Liberty and who attacked it, he would end up in Leavenworth or worse. The speaker questioned why they were left alone. The speaker felt betrayed and worthless after the encounter, comparing it to the attack and worse than heartbreak. Another speaker stated the admiral knew everything and wasn't a nice man. 28 of the 34 people killed that day worked for him.
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Speaker 0: He says, what was your what was your duty station again? I says, well, I was on scene leader and, the forward repair party. He says, you were all over the ship? I said, yes. He says, did you see, any torpedoes? I says, I saw 2 aft. I didn't see the one that hit the ship. Where the other 2 went, I have no idea. Did you, think the ship was gonna sink? I said, absolutely. I thought it was gonna sink. I mean, we rolled over. I thought it was gonna tip over, and it just stopped. And then he put his stars back on. He got real close to me and he got beaten red. And he says, I wanna tell you something, sailor. Now I'm an again. You ever repeat one word about the USS Liberty and who did it to you, I'll guarantee you I'll see you in Leavenworth or worse. You know what worse means? I said, yes, sir. I do. I said, well, why don't you leave us out there alone for? He says, I'm an admiral now. You call me admiral or sir. Period. Slam the door and walked out, and I went up to the door and start beating my hands against it. F you, admiral. F you, admiral. Hoping you hear me. And then I left. You would think that the admiral would say, hey. Good job, you guys. You know, patch you on the back or say something nice. They set us up again. They set us up to get all the information they could, and then they then they beat us down to the ground again. It was just like the attack over again. It was worse than a heartbreak break. I felt like, scum, this just a piece of gum on a shoe. I had no self worth. Speaker 1: He knew everything. He he already knew what was going on. I I I wasn't thinking cover up at that time. But when you heard that guy, you knew something was different. He wasn't a very nice man. Of the 34 that were killed that day, 28 worked for me.
charise_lee
Posted - September 6, 2024 at 8:40 PM
Saved - January 7, 2025 at 1:57 AM

@charise_lee - Meidas_Charise Lee

Thank you for sharing such important info. Thank you for your service. 🇺🇸 💙🌊 https://t.co/K2IoIzfdx5

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The arrogance is astonishing. Tim Pool and the MAGA party are under investigation for spreading Russian propaganda. When I was deployed to Iraq as a sniper, I learned that insurgents killing American soldiers were funded and trained by Russia. My main mission involved countering Russian-trained Iranian and Syrian snipers, which required extensive study of their tactics. Now, years later, the MAGA party is trying to convince me that Russia is not our enemy, but rather a friend. It's infuriating to be called uninformed when I have firsthand experience of the threat they pose.
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Speaker 0: The arrogance to you guys just blows me away sometimes. So I'm gonna say something that we could probably both agree on and that is that Tim Pool and the MAGA party are Russian sympathizers. So they are being investigated for spreading Russian propaganda. Like, that's a fact. Right? So something that you might not know is when I was deployed to Iraq as a sniper, I read multiple documents stating that insurgents that were eliminating American soldiers were being funded, trained, and equipped by the Russian state. Additionally, one of my primary objectives when I was over there was to hunt down and eliminate Russian trained Iranian and Syrian snipers. That's called counter sniper operations. Right? So this involves studying hours and hours and hours and hours of video of Russian trained snipers eliminating American soldiers because they would record it for training purposes. Right? So I get home, fast forward 10 years, and the party that calls themselves patriots, the Republican fucking MAGA party are now trying to convince me me that Russia is not our enemy. The me that fucking Russia is our goddamn friend and you think I'm uninformed. You think I'm uninformed, bro.
yalligatorgar
Posted - October 27, 2024 at 10:36 PM
Saved - October 29, 2024 at 2:10 PM
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I was born into a blue family and lived a blue life, but I fought against the bullying that came with it. Ultimately, I voted for the future of our country, my friends and family, and even for figures I once disagreed with. I believe in being free citizens, not subjects, and I appreciate the diverse voices that have shaped my journey. A shout out to Dr. Phil for inspiring me; I once disliked him, but now I find value in his words and lessons.

@yalligatorgar - Gator Gar

📺 🎙️ I was born in the bluest place, to the bluest family, and lived the bluest life. I’m 35 years old, and I realize now I was bullied to be blue. I fought tooth and nail. But in the end, they got me, and I voted for Hillary, and I voted for Biden. Today I voted for the United States of America; for the people of this incredible nation, under God. Today I voted for my friends and family who vehemently disagree with me. Today I voted for the future of our children. 🇺🇸 Today I voted for Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F Kennedy Jr, and Donald J Trump, who paved the way for Democrats like me to REJECT the bullying of the modern left. Today I voted for Vivek Ramaswamy, Dr. Phil, Hulk Hogan, and Corey Comperatore, who held down the fort across the aisle so that people like me would have somewhere to go when we escaped the abuse of The Democratic Party. We’re free citizens, not subjects. We’re Americans, not partisans. We’re people, not property. #MAGA 🐊

@yalligatorgar - Gator Gar

Shout out to @DrPhil for the moving speech that inspired me to write this. I’m one of those naughty liberal children who hated Dr. Phil because my mom would use his episodes as examples of my bad behavior. Now I respect him and learn something from him every time he speaks.

jeffmfulgham
Posted - November 14, 2024 at 1:10 AM
Saved - November 14, 2024 at 1:12 PM
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I come from a humble background and never feel entitled to any position. My commitment remains to expose the Deep State and restore sovereignty to the citizens, continuing my oath to defend America. Many veterans and patriots have joined this fight against tyranny, working together to protect our elections and Constitution. However, I recognize that freedom demands ongoing vigilance, and our struggle is just beginning.

@jeffmfulgham - Jeff Fulgham

I'm a humble man from a humble background. I'll never feel entitled to any position. Regardless of what the future holds, I'll continue to expose the Deep State and fight to return sovereign control to the citizen. This fight is just a continuation of my oath to defend America.🇺🇸 https://t.co/4AI2CM34cb

@XTownHallsGA - Georgia X Town Hall

Jeff Fulgham for GA Governor 🇺🇸

@jeffmfulgham - Jeff Fulgham

There are countless veterans and civilian patriots who answered the call to resist Deep State tyranny. We came together and worked as a team to defend our elections and our Constitution. But freedom requires constant vigilance. The fight is just beginning. 🙏🇺🇸

GooBiiSnacks
Posted - January 13, 2025 at 2:12 PM
Saved - February 4, 2026 at 3:33 PM

@GooBiiSnacks - Mike Honcho

@RyanMattaMedia @IanCarrollShow @oldstatemark @bobmcdonell1 Yea bro…that’s how God works. Love to hear all the personal behind the scene/sacrifices y’all are making. Much appreciated @RyanMattaMedia @IanCarrollShow

BradMiller1010
Posted - January 20, 2025 at 6:03 PM
Saved - January 21, 2025 at 10:33 PM
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I've been receiving many kind messages congratulating me and expressing gratitude for recent military reinstatement discussions. However, I question whether this is enough for me to return to service, given my views on the current state of the military and government. Reflecting on my past, I remember the difficult decision I faced when I was relieved of command for refusing the COVID shot. That period defined my career and tested my commitment to my oath and principles. I wonder if issues like treason, cowardice, and moral injury will ever be properly addressed.

@BradMiller1010 - Brad Miller

My phone's blowing up with many kind-hearted folks reaching out, congratulating me, even urging me to cut my hair 😎, & expressing their sincere gratitude for the president's recent remarks about military reinstatement & backpay. While I'm thankful for the genuine remarks of my friends & family, I must ask: is this enough for me to put the uniform back on? Our military is run by criminals & cowards. So is our govt. This isn't new & it hasn't changed. When will that be addressed? Let me know 👇 if you guys think I should go back. For the record, of course I support these actions (viewed independently from their possible motives). I just don't think it's nearly enough.

@BradMiller1010 - Brad Miller

3 yrs ago on June 10, 2021, I assumed battalion command fully knowing I'd be fired soon after. I was relieved of command Oct 28, 2021 for not complying with the covid shot mandate implemented in Aug 2021. The first 10 days of June 2021 were the hardest of my 19+ years in the Army. Even harder than the "10 toughest days in the Army" (Air Assault School 😎🤣). I arrived at Fort Campbell, KY on June 1 juggling a variety of emotions - excitement & nerves for command mixed with the sickening feeling that I'd soon endure the ignominy of being relieved of command & losing my career. There was no way I was going to take the covid shot & didn't want to order others to take it against their wishes. I didn't personally trust the shot & beyond that, I had assumed since Day 1 we were being lied to in some way with the covid narrative (though I didn't necessarily know how back then) and I always assumed it was an op. (I've been distrustful of the govt a very long time, which is difficult as an Army officer). There was no way I was going to go along with something I believed was ultimately intended to be destructive, even if it was difficult to exactly articulate how/why I thought that at that relatively early stage to others who would have found that idea preposterous. During those 10 days prior to taking command, I couldn't sleep. I wasn't even sure taking command was the right thing to do. I considered approaching the division commander (then Major General J.P. McGee) and telling him "Sir, I can't take command & it's better if I don't. You don't even want me in command. I'm clearly "not on the team" & it will be less disruptive to you, me, and most importantly the battalion if I don't take command just to be fired shortly thereafter." I decided against that though. I told myself "No, I'm not going to back down. I'm not the one wrong here. I'll make them fire a battalion commander." Then I tried to view it as the moral challenge it was. It was incredibly difficult. Perhaps it sounds arrogant (so be it), but to steel myself psychologically, I had to often remind myself that I was in the right even if that meant that virtually everyone around me (particularly at my peer level & above) was in the wrong. I don't care how that sounds. It is what it is. I've said many times that it's clear our senior military leaders obviously can't recognize the true strategic threats since they all went along with the covid op. I had to accept that in the grand scheme my entire command, which should have lasted 24 months but only lasted 4, would be reduced down to my decision on the covid jab. No one would care about the readiness levels of my battalion, my tactical acumen, the ways in which I adjudicated military justice, or any other way in which commanders are typically measured. I look back on that period from June - Oct 2021 as the defining period of my entire military career, to include my time at West Point. I've never tried to paint myself up as something I'm not. I've never said I was a great officer who always got everything right. But I do think I was a reasonably good officer who had a successful career (well, except for that whole "getting fired" part). I do take my oath to the Constitution seriously. I do love my country & care for my countrymen. And I do believe in doing the right thing because it's the right thing, consequences be damned. If you actually read this whole thing, let me know below 👇🤣

@BradMiller1010 - Brad Miller

Will the treason & cowardice be addressed: https://bradmiller10.substack.com/p/treason-and-cowardice

Treason and Cowardice The Military's New Watchwords bradmiller10.substack.com

@BradMiller1010 - Brad Miller

Will the issue of moral injury be addressed? https://bradmiller10.substack.com/p/moral-injury

Moral Injury Confronting the U.S. Military's Greatest Strategic Problem bradmiller10.substack.com
nataliegwinters
Posted - January 31, 2025 at 1:55 AM
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@nataliegwinters - Natalie Winters

“Since they can’t censor us anymore, they’re trying to discredit this show by attacking my clothes. So have fun covering my wardrobe choices for the next four years. I’ll be in the briefing room hosting one of the most influential podcasts in history.” https://t.co/NHZLNc8Rfa

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Weird events on the White House lawn aside, attempts to silence this show have been relentless, from censorship to deplatforming. Now that we've succeeded and exposed entities like the Global Disinformation Index, critics are resorting to personal attacks. A journalist from the Daily Mail plans to write a lengthy article discrediting me based on my clothing choices. I find it amusing that they can't challenge our credibility anymore, so they focus on my wardrobe instead. While they cover my fashion for the next four years, I'll be in the White House press briefing room cohosting a significant podcast. It's disappointing but revealing that, lacking substantial arguments, they choose to critique my appearance rather than our work.
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Speaker 0: Weird chest on the White House lawn. I don't think anyone had to apologize for that. But more more precisely to this this point, obviously, I could sit here and dunk on the, dysgenic stuff that I've been witnessing every day. I will. But before we get to that, I mean, look, Steve, they've tried to shut down this show every single way that they can. The kitchen sink and more from throwing you in prison, to censoring us, to deplatforming us, to de banking us, to ripping us off every podcast chart known to man. And now that we won, and that these stupid outlets and entities and cutouts like the Global Disinformation Index that they've weaponized to come after us, that president Trump has defunded and exposed and gone after, now that they no longer can smear us for being agents of misinformation. Someone who has a master's degree in journalism at the Daily Mail, now to discredit this show and myself, is going to write a, what, thousand word article criticizing me trying to make me look like a vapid dumb bimbo for wearing a sweater. And I have news for those people. If you wanna attack or impugn my work for what I choose to wear, have fun covering my wardrobe choices for the next 4 years while you sit in a stupid cubicle as a low level reporter for the Daily Mail. I'll be in the White House press briefing room cohosting one of the most influential podcasts that has ever existed in the history of this country. Just us, I don't know, Peter Daschak, Kevin McCarthy, or preemptively pardoned Anthony Fauci. And by the way, you're welcome for that because it was our work that led to that pardon. So absolutely disgusting. I'm not even gonna sit here and play the sexist card. I don't care. I'm above that. But it just shows you now that they can't attack us for spreading misinformation because why? We've been right. Now they're going to say that they don't like my sweater. So have at it. Have fun covering my wardrobe for the next 4 years.
SaveUSAKitty
Posted - February 24, 2025 at 4:08 PM
Saved - February 25, 2025 at 4:38 AM

@SaveUSAKitty - MAGA Kitty

Dan Bongino @dbongino with his VERY EMOTIONAL and HEARTFELT opening of his show today. We LOVE YOU, Dan! ❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸 https://t.co/XoJYB9A1Gb

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Well, folks, it's been quite a weekend. I received a call from the president, and after speaking with the attorney general and FBI Director Patel, I've been offered the role of deputy director at the FBI. It's an honor, and I've accepted the position. This means I'll be stepping away from the show, which is a lot to walk away from, but I'll share what I can about the situation. I'll also discuss the future of the show today. I'm going to play a speech I gave eleven years ago so you can understand why I made this decision. I hope you, the Bongino army, understand that I couldn't disclose this information earlier out of respect for the president, the attorney general, and the FBI director. Thank you for your support.
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Speaker 0: Alright. How do you start today's show? No. I I howl. Jasmine's sitting there kinda laughing. Like, what what do you say? Hey, guys. Monday morning. Well, let me give you a weekend update. Quite the weekend update. Kind of probably the most interesting weekend update ever. And the interesting thing about this weekend update is producer Jim, at least on the radio show, is not gonna have to run the, let's take a brief interlude into Dan's personal life, because my personal life is no longer, personal. Folks, I'm I'm sure by now you've heard the news. Wait. Let me just do I have it? Oh, no. I already took it. Sorry. Someone gave me the man card. Gave me, like, an actual man card one day. Like, it's a little, looks like a credit card, kind of a joke, obviously. So let me just turn that in right now because this may be a little bit emotional, and let me apologize in advance. I I, I was home last night, and, I'm sitting there, I'm just I I was watching a show. I didn't even know what I was watching, Food That Built America or something like that, and I was falling asleep because it had been a really long day. Now you know why, and, some of you kind of understand why the show had a different tone over the last couple of weeks. And, I I got a call from the the president, and couldn't have been nicer. And I obviously keep the contents of it between us, but I think you get the gist about what it was about. And, it kind of broke down a bit because it was, this is now real. So president attorney general Bondi and, now director, gosh, that sounds good to say, FBI director Akash Patel offered this role, a role I expressed an interest in. And ladies and gentlemen, I told you. You see, it's hard for me. I'm, I'm gonna accept, the role proudly as, the deputy director, the number two spot at the, Federal Bureau of Investigation. Folks, it's a lot to walk away from. I will give you tell you everything what happened, within reason. And then, I got a show to do, and I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen with the show. So it's gonna be a pretty wild ride today. Man, do we have a lot to talk about. I'm gonna play for you in the beginning too a speech I gave that someone sent to me from eleven years ago, and you'll see why I decided, to make this decision. So a lot to do today. Thank you so much for kind of a big audience here right away out of the chute. So thank you very much. I love you guys. And Bongino army, out there, I hope you understand. I got a couple negative comments, you know. Dan, you should've let us know. I hope you understand about this. This is not my you do not ever get ahead of the president of The United States, the attorney general, and the director of the FBI. You don't do that. Not when you take positions like that. It's not the right thing to do. So now you understand.
Donald_Army
Posted - March 15, 2025 at 11:40 AM
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@Donald_Army - Donald Trump Army

We will miss @dbongino https://t.co/fisZvcdMdO

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The speaker hopes the audience enjoyed the show, calling it one of the best. The speaker then states that they looked something up, noting that "we say it's gone."
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Speaker 0: That's crazy. Hope you guys enjoyed the show, man. Yes. I I see. That's one of those shows that That's one of the best shows. Man, I looked up. You know, we say it's gone.
ProjectConstitu
Posted - April 12, 2025 at 6:26 AM
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@ProjectConstitu - Project Constitution

🇺🇸 President Trump’s sacrifice for America runs DEEP. In this clip, he lays out the BILLIONS he’s given up to fight for US. That’s real leadership! https://t.co/XxaFcQ8Gr4

GuntherEagleman
Posted - May 26, 2025 at 4:05 PM
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@GuntherEagleman - Gunther Eagleman™

Pete Hegseth's speech will bring a tear to your eye, fill your heart with pride, and leave you speechless. Thank you for honoring our fallen on this day @PeteHegseth. https://t.co/squ4SU6oCk

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In America, the most honored tomb is that of an anonymous soldier. When the first unknown soldier was selected in 1921, throngs of Americans paid their respects. The unknown received the Medal of Honor. We honor anonymous sacrifice above worldly greatness. We don't know the unknown's identity, but we know his story of a young man who leaves everything to fight a war. He loves his country, his brothers in arms, and his family. He fought and died for this republic. The American soldier fights because he loves what's behind him. We honor his sacrifice, courage, duty, and love. We owe a duty to those who have fallen in war. We owe gratitude and remembrance. We must remember their sacrifice and honor their memory. We owe eternal vigilance, the price of freedom. These men died for a free, secure, and peaceful republic. We must steward it and hand it down. The duty we owe these men is peace, which only can be achieved through strength. We will never be complacent. We owe these men our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
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Speaker 0: Honorable Pete Hegseth. Rock Sun, president Trump, vice president Vance, chairman Kane, Gold Star families. Ladies and gentlemen, so, we understand who they are and what they fought for. It is our simple duty to them. You know, throughout time, civilizations have honored the powerful, the well connected, and the well born. Emperors and kings have built magnificent shrines to their own royal greatness. Yet in America, with our great experiment in self government, it is fitting that the most honored and closely guarded tomb in the land is that of an anonymous soldier of an unknown rank. When the first unknown soldier was selected for burial in 1921, he laid in state at the Capitol Rotunda. Throngs Americans paid their respects. When the tomb was dedicated on November 11, Veterans Day, the unknown received the Medal of Honor. It's a uniquely American tradition that we honor anonymous sacrifice above worldly greatness. While we don't know the unknown's identity, race, or creed, we know his story. It's story of every soldier, every warrior. It's a simple story, as old as war. A young man with hopes and dreams and loves who's called by his country leaves behind his hometown, his parents, his siblings, his sweetheart, all that he knows to go fight a war that he may or may not understand. He's called to go through hell and back, to sleep in a trench, to eat out of a tin cup or on the hood of a Humvee, to pray as bullets and bombs thunder around him, to fear for the bullet or the mortar or the IED or the RPG with his name on it. He does it willingly and stoically because he loves his country, his brothers in arms, and his family. This is the story of the unknown. The story of the fallen soldier who we have gathered today to honor. It is the story of the American warrior. He answered the call, fought, and died for this republic, the ultimate sacrifice of a free people. You see, the American soldier fights not because he hates what's in front of him, but because he loves what's behind him. We honor his self for sacrifice, his courage, his duty, and his love. As Jesus taught his disciples, greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. This love is a gift given freely, and yet this gift comes with responsibility to those living. We owe a duty to those who have fallen in war. They have paid a debt we can never repay. And for that, we owe gratitude and remembrance. We owe at least this, to remember their sacrifice and honor their memory year after year. Salute after salute, ceremony after ceremony, parade after parade, prayer after prayer, that by our remembrance, we keep lit the eternal flame of their heroic deeds in defense of our nation. And we owe eternal vigilance. Eternal vigilance, the price of freedom. These men died for something. The hope of a free, secure, and peaceful republic. That is our inheritance, and we must steward it and hand it down to our kids and our grandkids. We must live worthy of it. These men dreamt of a future in which their children would not fear of attack. No enemy could threaten their peace. No war could require them to take up arms. The duty we owe these men is peace, which only can be achieved through strength. And because the we of the are of world. World. And behalf of those who've given so much, we will never be complacent. We owe these men nothing less, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. So on this Memorial Day, in honor of the unknown soldiers and the known, let us rededicate ourselves to God and country. To our great republic February on, we stand on the shoulders of great men and on the shoulders of those great men in those graves, and may we live worthy of it. Thank you. God bless our warriors, and may God bless our fallen. And amen. Amen.
ReadeAlexandra
Posted - June 4, 2025 at 7:09 PM
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This interview is incredibly powerful and moving. I'm grateful to Tucker Carlson and John Kiriakou for his bravery. Hearing about the struggles he faced for speaking the truth brings me to tears. It's heartbreaking to see how broken America is. I urge Trump to pardon John immediately; he is a hero.

@ReadeAlexandra - Tara Reade 🐎

This is one of the most powerful and poignant interviews. Thank you @TuckerCarlson. Thank you @JohnKiriakou for your bravery. This recounting of what our government put you through for telling the truth has me in floods of tears as I write this. It’s so heartbreaking America is so broken. Please @realDonaldTrump pardon John immediately. He is a hero.

@TuckerCarlson - Tucker Carlson

John Kiriakou committed Washington’s one unpardonable sin: he embarrassed the CIA. John Brennan tried to have him executed for it. (0:00) Introduction (1:41) Speaking Out Against the CIA’s Torture Program (7:20) Why the CIA Loved Obama (19:05) Why John Brennan Hated Kiriakou (23:23) The CIA’s Torture Techniques (32:01) How the FBI Tried to Bait Kiriakou Into Committing Espionage (42:48) The FBI’s Absurd Years-Long Investigation Into Kiriakou’s Life (58:54) The CIA Set Up to Get Kiriakou Thrown in Jail (1:04:15) The Major Issue With the Espionage Act (1:15:00) Kiriakou’s Experience in Prison (1:27:36) Did Any Elected Officials Defend Kiriakou? (1:32:19) The Dangerous Legal Precedent Set in Kiriakou’s Case Used Against Trump (1:33:58) The Clinton Judge Responsible for the Sentencing of Kiriakou, Assange, and More (1:39:10) Kiriakou’s Attempt to Get a Pardon From Joe Biden (1:41:41) Obama’s Drone Strikes Against American Citizens (1:43:19) Do CIA Employees Think They’re Doing Good? (1:46:50) Kiriakou’s Thoughts on the JFK and RFK Assassinations (1:53:09) The CIA’s MKUltra Program (1:57:40) Can the CIA Infect People With Cancer? (1:58:14) How 9-11 Turned the CIA Into a Paramilitary Group (2:08:27) Ronald Reagan Was Right About Government (2:09:38) The Waco Massacre (2:12:18) How CIA Employees Get So Rich (2:14:01) FBI Agent Apologizes to Kiriakou (2:16:32) How to Forgive Your Enemies Includes paid partnerships.

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Speaker 1 claims MK Ultra caused suicides and that CIA shrinks were used on operations, including one where a man's arm was hypnotized in the air for two hours. The CIA, post-9/11, shifted from intelligence gathering to a paramilitary organization focused on high-tech surveillance rather than recruiting spies. Speaker 1 was approached by an FBI agent posing as a Japanese diplomat attempting to elicit espionage. Speaker 1 went to jail for revealing in an ABC interview that the CIA had a torture program, authorized by the president, who then lied about it. No torturers were prosecuted. After Obama's election, John Brennan allegedly reopened the case against Speaker 1 due to personal animosity, seeking an espionage charge, despite lacking evidence. The FBI then tried to set up Speaker 1 to commit espionage. Speaker 1 believes the CIA uses psychological profiling on presidents, manipulating them. Congress is now cheerleaders for intelligence agencies instead of providing oversight. The CIA is forbidden from spying on American citizens, but NSA leaked Speaker 1's information to the New York Times. Torture doesn't work, and the CIA used techniques that led to deaths. Speaker 1 was charged with espionage, making a false statement, and violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. The speaker took a plea deal to avoid a longer sentence. The CIA objected to Speaker 1's placement in a minimum-security prison. The speaker believes elements of the CIA were responsible for JFK's assassination. The speaker also claims mind control is not science fiction and that the CIA talked about infecting people with cancer.
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Speaker 0: Do you think it is possible to get people to commit acts that they wouldn't otherwise commit? Speaker 1: I do. MK Ultra caused people to jump out of windows and commit suicide. Yeah. Speaker 0: You said there are a lot of shrinks at at CIA. Speaker 1: I used those those shrinks on operations. We even hypnotized one guy. He was hypnotized with his arm in the air for two hours. Speaker 0: Would you describe the CIA as an intelligence gathering agency? Speaker 1: Not anymore. It used to be until 09:11, and then it became a paramilitary organization. What they would rather do is fancy high-tech satellites and drones, and they're not really in the business anymore of recruiting spies to steal secrets. I got a call from a Japanese diplomat, and he said, hey. Let's have lunch. I said, great. He said to me, so what's next for you? And I said, I think I'm gonna resign soon. And he says, no. If you give me information, I can give you money. He was an FBI agent What? Trying to get me to commit actual espionage. Speaker 0: The FBI did that to you? Mhmm. We got a down actually. Yeah. I mean, your only crime was an ABC interview in which you say, yes, the CIA does have a torture program. I know because I worked there, and the president authorized it and lied about it in public. That's that's that's your sum total of your crimes. Speaker 1: That was it. Speaker 0: It's pretty unbelievable you went to jail. I think when nine eleven happened, you were one of how many CIA officers at the counterterrorism center spoke Arabic? Speaker 1: Oh, at the counterterrorism center? Two? Two. Speaker 0: Yeah. So you have this distinguished CIA career. No one outside the CIA has heard of you, but in the CIA, you're very well known, helped capture an al Qaeda operative in Pakistan, risked her life as an operations officer, and then you leave CIA, and you mentioned in an ABC News interview in 2007 that the CIA is torturing people, which it was Yes. Illegally Yes. And is a stain on the country, didn't make the country safer. You say that, and you wind up in jail. I sure did. Did any of the people who were torturing other people wind up in jail? Speaker 1: Not a single one. The the torturers I'm crazy. It's nuts. It's nuts. The torturers didn't go to jail. The people who conceived of the torture, the people who funded the torture, appropriated taxpayer money for the torture, the people who implemented it, nobody went to prison but me. Speaker 0: And what's I guess what's so funny is when you think of whistleblowers complaining about something like torture, you think of, like, I don't know, some you know, the Berrigans or some, you know, professional peace activist, but you're you're like a I was a true believer. But you were a CIA operations officer. Yes. Like, doing the war on terror. Speaker 1: Specifically, a counterterrorism operations officer. Yes. Speaker 0: And so you were hardly you were hardly something like No. I was no pleading type. Right. No. And you went to jail. Amazing. So can you just just to come to the point of the story where you're you're out of the CIA, you're working at Deloitte Yes. And you give this interview to Brian Ross at ABC. Right. One of the few, I think, pretty honest ABC reporters who, of course, left ABC. Agreed. Too much honesty for them. And what happened then? This was '2 that was 2007 during the Bush Speaker 1: Right. It was in February. Yes. So I I went on this interview with Brian Ross, and I said three things. I said that the CIA was torturing its prisoners. I said that torture was official US government policy, and I said that because president Bush had specifically said, we do not torture. I knew that wasn't true. Speaker 0: Where did he where did he say Speaker 1: that? He said that in a press conference at the White House in February. And I said that the that the torture had been personally approved by the president, which was also true. And so within twenty four hours, the CIA Wait. Speaker 0: Wait. How did you know that, by the way? Speaker 1: Oh, because I was Were were you just guessing? Oh, no. I was the executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for operations. So I was intimately involved in the planning for all of this nonsense, not just torture, but the Iraq war as well. And I was watching the rule of law just be thrown to the dogs almost on a daily basis, and I decided whatever Brian Ross was gonna ask me, I was gonna tell the truth. That's what I did. Speaker 0: So that was in late two thousand seven? Speaker 1: Late '2 thousand '7, December of '2 thousand '7. Speaker 0: So the president authorized this. Again, didn't make the country any safer. No. The whole thing really hurt the country, but and then lied about it in public, which you're not supposed to do. I mean, you're not supposed to do that. Speaker 1: And No. You're just not supposed And you Speaker 0: said those three things, which are factually true. Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And then what happened? Well, the FBI began investigating me the next day, and they investigated me for a full year from December of o seven to December of o eight. Speaker 0: Did they tell you they were investigating you? Speaker 1: No. I read about it in CNN. Speaker 0: So how are they how are they investigating you? Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. They never sought to interview me. I I ran out and I hired an attorney, and and we leaked that to the press that, oh, I'm represented by this legal giant in Washington DC. It was it was Plato Kacharis who's no longer longer living. Speaker 0: But one of the most famous lawyers in The Speaker 1: United famous lawyers, the greatest in Washington. And they never contacted him. I I really don't know what constituted an FBI investigation. But a year later in 02/2008, they dropped the case, and they said that I had not committed a crime. Speaker 0: But when they investigate you, what does that do you have any sense of what that means? Like, are they Speaker 1: In the subsequent investigation, which we can get to, it was very clear what it meant. But in that year, I think what they did, and I'm speculating here, is that they went over the ABC News interview and a subsequent interview I did with the New York Times. They parsed it, and they decided that I had not committed a crime. Now in the declination letter that they sent to my attorney declining to prosecute me, they said that it was illegal to classify a program if the program is illegal. Speaker 0: But can I ask you, is it a federal crime to say the president is lying? No. Oh, it's not. Oh, so you're allowed in The United States, you're allowed if you see a politician lying, you can say that person is lying? Speaker 1: Call them on it. Okay. That's right. Okay. Just just wanna because it is America after Speaker 0: all. Right. Just wanna make sure. Okay. So so they invest the FBI spends a year investigating you because you say the president is lying. Yes. Totally normal. Yeah. And you don't know that they're investigating you because they never contacted you or your lawyer. Speaker 1: Never contacted you, one of us. Speaker 0: So then 2008 rolls around, Bush leaves after two terms, Obama gets elected. Yes. And he's very much the peace candidate. He's for transparency. Speaker 1: Well, like to say that it was Saint Obama that came down from the heavens Right. Into the into the White House Black Speaker 0: Jesus returns. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: And but he's very much I mean, I remember, in fact, being on on television saying, you know, he was this wild eyed peacenick lefty guy. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Oh, no. He wasn't. Speaker 0: Oh, he wasn't. Speaker 1: You know, this is something that I've puzzled over for a long time, and I've come to the conclusion that the CIA, at the top levels of the CIA, they they really love it when a new president is elected, and he has no background in intelligence or foreign policy. Usually, Donald Trump is a very unique figure in this in this scenario. Very unusual. But Barack Obama, two years as a senator. Two years as a senator. No experience in foreign policy. No experience in intelligence. The day after an election, the director of the CIA authorizes a president-elect to begin receiving a PDB, a president's daily brief. And so the day after the election, they go with this this 16 page document marked at six levels above top secret, and they say, mister president-elect, wait till you see the cool things we're doing all around the world, and they've sucked him in. They made him one of the guys, and every day they're like, wait till you see the update on what we told you yesterday. It's incredible. And then we get the the feedback at the CIA. Oh, the president loved this. The president had a follow-up question on that. Oh, the president said, oh my god, when he read this. That's Well, Speaker 0: think you're psychologically profiling the president. Speaker 1: Oh, I think I think that's exactly what they do. And don't forget, they have an entire staff of psychiatrists and psychologists that do exactly that. Speaker 0: And so they use the tools that they have employed for decades to subvert foreign governments to subvert their own government? Speaker 1: Yes. But they smile while they're doing it, and they say, no. No. We're just trying to forge a good working relationship with the president. In fact, for a while in the nineties, they didn't even call him the president. They called him the first customer. Oh god. Swear to god. Is Speaker 0: there I know we're getting far afield and we look it back to your story, but it it it it doesn't sound like so if you look at the org chart, the president controls CIA. Yes. But you're describing a situation where CIA kinda controls the president. Speaker 1: You know, this is another problem. It's that presidents come and go every four years, every eight years. But these these CIA people, they're there for twenty five, thirty, thirty five years. They don't go anywhere. And so if they don't like a president, or if a president orders them to do something that they don't want to do, they just wait because they know they can wait him out, and then he's not gonna be president anymore, and they can continue on with whatever plan the blob or the deep state wants to implement. You know, Donald Trump took a lot of guff in his first term when he used on a regular basis the term deep state. And I argued from the very beginning, it is a deep state. Maybe you don't like the terminology. You don't have to call it the deep state. You can call it the federal bureaucracy. You can call it the state. But the truth is that it exists. Speaker 0: I I would say by definition mean, you just described it. The president and by the way, the elected representatives who are the instrument of the population through which they control their government, you know, are perennial. They come and go. Oh, yeah. The people who carry out those orders remain. Over time, they are the ones with the power. Speaker 1: Right? And then when they get caught, they scramble. I remember Jane Harmon. She was a congress congresswoman from Venice, California. She was the chairwoman of the House Intelligence Committee during the Iraq war, and she was briefed on the torture program. Well, when I went public on the torture program, reporters had questions. Well, did Congress approve this? Of course Congress approved it, and Congress appropriated money for it. So she's the chairman. And reporters went to her and said, hey. What about this torture program? And she said, I didn't know anything about the torture program. Speaker 0: She's a liar. Speaker 1: She was lying. And I said, and I remember saying it to the New York Times, I said, she was in the room when it was briefed. Yeah. And when she was challenged, she said, oh, yeah, I remember that day, but you know what? I got up and I left early, and I left one of my aides as a notetaker, and he never briefed me, which is also a lie. Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, she was just a pure tool of the intel agents Speaker 1: That was it. Speaker 0: And of foreign government. Speaker 1: And that's an ongoing problem on Capitol Hill is rather than being overseers, they're cheerleaders for the intelligence. Speaker 0: So how that is absolutely true, and I've I've known them all, and you know, if you criticize any of the intel agencies, particularly CIA, is the most powerful, they're immediately defensive Oh, yes. About it. You know, like it's their job to defend these agencies when in fact their job, as you said, is to oversee these agencies and to keep them within the boundaries of the constitution. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: How does that happen? Speaker 1: You know, I say all the time that we really did have real oversight for a while from the seventies into the 1980s, a decade, a decade and a half, where people really did exert influence over intelligence policy by really examining some of these covert action programs. But Pat Moynihan is dead, and Barry Goldwater's dead, and all these other senators and congressmen, Otis Pike, they're all gone. They're all dead. And now we've got people who just egg on the intelligence communities, and I'll give you Oh, Speaker 0: I knew them. Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. When I got out of prison, I was invited to a dinner at the Greek ambassador's residence, and I went, and there was a senator there, a Democratic senator there, who's a member of the Intelligence Committee. And so he came up to me and he said, hey, welcome home. We were really worried about you. And I said, oh, thank you. I said, senator, I've got to tell you, I was disappointed that you didn't say anything, you didn't express any support or or anything related to my case, and he got very angry. And he said, listen. It took everything I had just to not lose my security clearance. And I said, so you're afraid of them. That's what this is. And he walked away. Speaker 0: That's disgusting. Mhmm. That's disgusting. But I think you can go through, certainly in the senate, you can go through the roster of the, you know, the hundred members of the Senate and then compare it to the list of the permanent you know, the Committee on Intelligence, and those are the worst those are the most dishonest people. Speaker 1: Yeah. They are. Yeah. Speaker 0: They are. The the most rotten, the most morally compromised, the most dishonest by far. Speaker 1: I have to agree. That was Speaker 0: my happen? Like, sitting on the the senate intel committee is, like, just a sign that, Speaker 1: you you know, you You're one of the in crowd. Speaker 0: Worse than that. Yeah. Like, you're not someone I would invite to dinner at my house. No. I agree. How? How do they identify the most morally compromised people? Speaker 1: You know, I I wonder if if this began with nine eleven. I think that it didn't. I think it began earlier than that, like during the Clinton administration where everybody just where the the intelligence community was seen as a a force for good Yes. Which was odd to me. Speaker 0: Well, mean, that's how I grew up thinking that for sure. I mean, it was not even questioned. Speaker 1: When I first joined the agency, they were still sort of getting over the whole church committee era. And then when Bill Clinton was elected president in 1992, we were told that there were going to be big changes at the agency, and indeed, one of the things that Clinton did was he ordered what they called a cull. So we had to go through the files of literally every recruited agent in the CIA, and if they had any human rights problem, they were fired. Right? We just cut off contact with them. And I remember thinking, wow, they're actually serious about this. I'm I'm very pleasantly surprised. But then nine eleven happened. And not only did that go out the window, the pendulum swung so far to the other side that it has yet to go back to its point of equilibrium. Speaker 0: And then just naturally, inevitably, predictably, the tactics that that and other agencies used against foreign governments were used against the US government, the elected government, and the and the population of the country. Speaker 1: I know you and I agree on this. We've talked about this in the past, but the CIA is forbidden by law from spying on American citizens, as is NSA. It's a part of NSA's charter that it may not collect the communications of American citizens or US persons. Speaker 0: They say NSA spied on me. They leaked the information to the New York Times. Speaker 1: And leaked the information. I remember it very well. To control me. Mhmm. Speaker 0: Right? Oh, it's illegal. Guess what happened? Speaker 1: Nothing. And here again, congress just says, well, what are we gonna do? Speaker 0: Yeah. 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And when my attorneys received this declination letter, my wife and I actually went out and celebrated that night. We went out and had dinner. I had no idea that three weeks later when Barack Obama became president, that that's when my trouble was really going to start. Obama initially named John Brennan as the CIA director. Liberals were up in arms at the time, and so that nomination was withdrawn, you may recall, and he named Brennan instead the deputy national security adviser for counterterrorism. John Brennan and I always hated each other. I don't know why he hated me. I hated him for what were very clear. Speaker 0: He seems like such a marvelous guy. Speaker 1: Yeah, such a sweetheart. I found him to be a very dark figure, very dangerous, willing to take risks that no one should take without appropriate congressional oversight. And frankly, I said this on your show one time, and I don't mean to sound like, you know, that guy, but I thought he was in over his head intellectually in that position. He was Speaker 0: cut out that When did you meet him? Speaker 1: I met him in 1990, January of '19 '90. Speaker 0: Over thirty five years ago? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: Okay. So it's fair to say you Oh, I knew him very, Speaker 1: very well. In fact, when I was the executive assistant to the deputy director for operations, John was the first, he was the deputy executive director and then executive director of the CIA. So he was the number three officer in the CIA, while I was the assistant to the number four officer in the CIA. So I briefed him every single morning, and we just did not like or respect one another. Speaker 0: So Why didn't you like or respect him? Speaker 1: First of all, I thought he was unqualified, number one. John made a life in analysis, but he struck up a very close friendship with George Tennant when George was at the National Security Council during the Clinton administration. George became the deputy CIA director and then CIA director, and every time George got promoted, he promoted Brennan. But he promoted him into jobs that he simply wasn't qualified for, Like the station chief in Riyadh. This is a guy that had been an analyst for, you know, twenty something years, and you're gonna make him the station chief? Not only has he never recruited an agent, he's never even met one. And that's who you want in charge of of operations? Speaker 0: In Riyadh? In Riyadh? Places. One of Speaker 1: the most important Yeah. Places in Speaker 0: the Complicated place. Speaker 1: Very complicated. And then when he went back, he he named him the deputy executive director. So he's running the day to day operations of the entire CIA, the whole thing. It just didn't make sense to me. Speaker 0: So you thought that he was unqualified, but it sounds like you thought that he was morally unqualified also. Speaker 1: Oh, I I always believed he was morally unqualified. John had a reputation as being vindictive. He had once worked for a woman who didn't like or respect him, and she let him go. He got a job briefing George Tenet at the National Security Council, and then when George was promoted, he promoted John to the point where he called this woman in and he fired her. Like, was that really necessary? You could take the high road. There's no reason to be that guy that you just go in and start, you know, trashing your enemies. But that's what he did. And there was a group of there was a group of guys that that came of age with him, and he all promoted all of them with with himself, with his rising boat. They all went to the to the top. And I'll tell you too, I was in operations at the time working for people who had spent thirty years in operations, and they disliked him with with a special kind of passion. And it was because they didn't respect him either. It was clear. Interesting. Speaker 0: You you said he was dangerous? Speaker 1: I always thought that he was dangerous. Speaker 0: Why? Yeah. That's a strong thing to say about somebody. Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, I'm gonna get on my soapbox again, so forgive me, but we're a nation of laws. Right? We're a nation of laws, and whether you like the law or you don't like the law, you have to respect it, or you work to change it. You can't just pretend that the law doesn't exist. Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 1: Oh, we're the good guys. So let's let's talk about the torture program for a second. Here he is, the number three in the CIA, and the leadership wants to implement a torture program. Okay. We've got this thing called the Federal Torture Act of 1946 that says, you can't do that. In 1946, we executed Japanese soldiers who had waterboarded American POWs. We executed. That was a death penalty offense to waterboard somebody. In January of nineteen sixty eight, the Washington Post ran a front page photograph of an American soldier waterboarding a North Vietnamese prisoner. The day that that picture was published, the secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, ordered an investigation. That soldier was arrested. He was convicted of torture and sentenced to twenty years at Leavenworth. But then in 02/2002, like magic, it's all legal. Speaker 0: So waterboarding has been around a long time. Speaker 1: Oh, it's been around a long time. The Chinese actually invented waterboarding Speaker 0: Of course they did. Speaker 1: In like the fifteenth century. Speaker 0: Can you explain waterboarding for a moment? Sure. Speaker 1: So a prisoner is strapped to a board with his feet elevated compared to his head. There's something put in his mouth, like material, a cloth, burlap, whatever, and then water is poured on his face. So it's supposed to give you the feeling that you're drowning. In fact, in many cases, you are drowning because a lot of water is getting past that that cloth. In the case of Abu Zubaydah, and we can talk about him later if you want, we drowned him. His heart stopped beating, and he had to be revived so that he could be tortured more. That's what waterboarding is. Speaker 0: Why is it done? Speaker 1: The idea is this is this is a term that the CIA came up with. The idea is to instill the feeling of learned helplessness in the in the prisoner so that the prisoner is so terrified of you, so terrified of what you can do to him that he'll whimper as soon as you walk into the room and just confess everything that you want him to confess to. But the problem is that torture just simply doesn't work. This is a proven fact that decades of scientists and psychologists and psychiatrists have proven it doesn't work. And so the prisoner will tell you what he thinks you want to know just to get you to stop torturing him. You know, we know from from prisoners held in North Vietnamese prisons, American prisoners, that when asked, well, who was on your ship? What were the names of men on your ship? They would recite, like, you know, the the the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line from 1968 or just make up names or childhood friends just to get them to stop torturing. So it just doesn't work. Speaker 0: So what was the process post 09:11 for for waterboarding? I mean, I noticed that in the later reports, some of these guys were waterboarded, KSM for example. Speaker 1: 87 times. Speaker 0: 87 times. So was was he coming up with the offensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers every time? Like, why would they keep doing that? Speaker 1: Well, he even well, were they were convinced that he knew the location of Osama bin Laden, and that he knew what the plans were for the next attack on The United States. Well, there were no plans for the next attack. Sometimes there would be, you know, 10 or 12 guys sitting around a campfire in Afghanistan saying, you know, we should do we should attack, you know, we should attack the Chicago stock exchange. Oh, yeah. That's what we should do. Okay. That's that's not an that's not a plot. That's just some guy at a campfire just throwing it out there. So they were convinced that there was another plot planned and they wanted to get it. Speaker 0: But 187 times like that. Speaker 1: And KSM ended up confessing to the Daniel Pearl murder, which we know for a fact he wasn't even in Pakistan when Daniel Pearl was murdered. Speaker 0: He confessed to it? Speaker 1: He confessed to it. Mhmm. And then when they showed him the video showing that it wasn't his arm that was sawing off Daniel Pearl's head, he's like, no, look, look at the hair on that arm. My arm's that hairy, that's my arm. No. You didn't kill Daniel Pearl. Stop saying Speaker 0: A lot of hairy people in the region. Exactly. Yeah. So but but a 87 times? Mhmm. Speaker 1: And Abu Zubaydah, eighty three times. Speaker 0: They waterboard him 83 times. Speaker 1: It worse than that. You know, there's this conventional wisdom that waterboarding was the worst. It was sort of the top of the list of torture techniques. There were worse techniques. We killed people with other techniques. For example, the cold cell. So you're stripped naked, you're chained to an eyebolt in the ceiling, so you can't sit or kneel or lay or get comfortable in any way. Your cell is chilled to 50 degrees Fahrenheit, and then every hour, a CIA officer goes into your cell and throws a bucket of ice water on you. And people died of hypothermia. We the Justice Department didn't say we could murder people. They said we could use these, you know, different techniques. They didn't say we could use this cold cell. That was just made up. Speaker 0: And people died? Mhmm. Speaker 1: There was another one, well, sleep deprivation. The American Psychological Association, the APA, has published studies saying that people begin to lose their minds at day seven with no sleep. They they begin to die at day nine. Their organs begin to shut down. But the CIA was authorized to keep people awake for twelve days, and people just drop dead as they're being kept awake with that eyebolt in the ceiling again, and strong lights, and hard rock, you know, death metal music twenty four hours a day on a loop. You go crazy, and then your organs just don't work. Speaker 0: Do we have any idea how many people died under torture? Speaker 1: The CIA has never said. 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You know, when I've had 22 FBI agents raiding my house and taking all my stuff, but if there's one thing that the FBI is really good at, it's interrogations. And they proved it with Abu Zubaydah. They proved that if you treat a prisoner with respect and engage in rapport building, and take some time to build this relationship, the prisoner will tell you everything that you want to know, and that's what happened with Abu Zubaydah. But every time the CIA would step in and begin torturing him, he would clam up, like completely clam up, and then the FBI would have to go back in, try to reverse the damage, and start the whole thing over again. Speaker 0: So you gave that interview at the end of 2007 in which you said really just it was pretty spare interview. It was. You didn't go into any detail. No. Investigation happens. It's dropped. Obama gets elected. A month later, John Brennan, I interrupted you. Speaker 1: I had no idea that John Brennan asked Eric Holder to secretly reopen the case against me. Speaker 0: So you think he did that? Think Of all the problems We're going out in the world. Speaker 1: In the world. Right. I think for two reasons. Number one, he genuinely disliked me, and he has this history of going after people using lawfare, which now we all know what that means, using lawfare to take down his enemies, number one. Speaker 0: Lawfare understates it. Violence, I mean, they came to your house, They cuffed you. They threw you in a cell. Oh, yeah. Like, those are acts of violence, force they're Speaker 1: using Right. That's right. Speaker 0: So if you'll do that, if you'll take a man from his five children Mhmm. And lock him in a cell for years. Speaker 1: And they fired my wife just because she was married to me. She was a senior CIA officer. Speaker 0: Okay. So you've answered the question, how is John Brennan a dangerous man? So he goes to the then attorney general, Eric Holder, and says, we need to reopen. Of all the problems that we've got, we need to make sure John Kiericu goes to jail. Speaker 1: Yeah. We we received 15,000 pages of classified discovery in my case, but we found in that discovery three memos. There was a memo from John Brennan to Eric Holder saying, charge him with espionage. Espionage? Espionage, which can be a death penalty charge, I might add. Speaker 0: Who are you spying Speaker 1: for? Exactly. Speaker 0: Who? Well, did they allege you were spying for somebody? Speaker 1: No. What they said is that I told the media that the CIA had a torture program, and so because the media published it, our enemies knew that we had this top secret program. Speaker 0: But how is that espionage? Speaker 1: I know. It's not. So Holder writes back and says, my people don't think he committed espionage. Sure. And then and then Brennan wrote back and said, charge him anyway and make him defend himself. Speaker 0: To use the f word. This is my new this is my new thing, self improvement journey I'm taking, but it it's making me mad hearing this because, I mean, you were in I happened to be in Pakistan around the time you were very dangerous country. Oh, I wasn't doing anything dangerous. Speaker 1: Oh, no. Speaker 0: It was Super dangerous place. The most dangerous place I've ever On Speaker 1: Earth Yes. Time. Speaker 0: Yep. And so you're it's not an overstatement to say you're risking your life, father of all these kids, to fight the war on terror against the Islamic terrorists. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: And now they're accusing you of aiding those terrorists? Enemy. Speaker 1: It gets worse. Speaker 0: That's really over the top. Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I I don't think I've ever told you this story, but when I was on the senate foreign relations committee, I was the senior investigator. And so one of the great things about that job is you get to have lunch with diplomats from around the world and just talk about the issues of the Speaker 0: You were working for CIA at the time? Speaker 1: No. Was working for John Kerry Yep. When he was the chairman of the foreign relations committee. Speaker 0: When was this? Speaker 1: 2009 to 2011. Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: So I got a call from a Japanese diplomat, and he said, hey, let's have lunch. I said, great. So we meet at a restaurant on Capitol Hill. His English was so bad that we had to do the lunches in Arabic. Right? He was an Arabist, and I I'm an Arabist, and so we would have our lunches in Arabic. And I remember what we talked about in that first meeting. I know it's absurd, isn't it? You and the Japanese guy speaking Surprised somebody didn't call the cops. So we talked about the Israeli election, the Turkish election. We talked about the peace process. I remember it very clearly. And at the end of it, he said to me, so what's next for you? And I said, I think I'm going to resign soon. I promised senator Kerry that I would give him two years. It's been two and a half, and I have five kids that I need to put through college. And he says, no. Don't do that. If you give me information, I can give you money. And I said, what in the world is wrong with you? Do you have any idea how many times I've made that pitch? Shame on you for cold pitching me. And I indignantly got up and walked out, and I went directly without stopping to the office of the senate security officer. And I said, I was just pitched by a foreign intelligence officer. I need to report it. He said, was it that damn Russian again? And I said, no. It was Japanese. He said, Japanese? Well, occasionally, they're poking around looking for trade secrets. So he said, sit at this stand alone computer, write it up, and I'll send it to the FBI. I said, fine. I wrote the entire thing as a memo. He sent it to the FBI. The next day, he calls me and says, two FBI agents are gonna come up. They wanna interview you. I said, great. I go back down to the security vault, and these two young FBI agents come, I tell them the story again, and they said, okay, here's what we want you to do. We want you to call him back and invite him to lunch, and try to get him to tell you exactly what information he's looking for and what he's willing to pay for it. And because I'm a patriot, I said, do you want me to wear a wire or something? And they said, no. We'll just be at the next table. We'll listen to everything. Speaker 0: You're such a boy scout. Speaker 1: I know. Right? I love Well, kind of. I mean, Speaker 0: everyone who lives in DC get know, has had something like what you described, but I've never heard of anybody going to the authorities over Speaker 1: it. So the morning of the lunch, they called me and said something came up, we can't do it. So do the lunch and write another memo. So I did, and I wrote up a comprehensive report, I sent it back to the FBI. Then they asked me to do it a third time, a fourth time, and a fifth time, which I did. And in the final lunch, it was a place in Georgetown. Speaker 0: Which place? Speaker 1: It was on Lower Wisconsin, the famous Italian place. Speaker 0: Oh oh, where they give you after dinner drinks at the end Speaker 1: Yes. And the ladies in the front window making the pasta. Speaker 0: Such a great restaurant. Speaker 1: Filomena. Thank you. Sorry. Forever. Speaker 0: I love Filomena. Speaker 1: It's wonderful. It really is wonderful. So I do it, and in that final lunch, he says, I got promoted, I got my dream job, I'm going to be the number two at the Japanese embassy in Cairo. I said, congratulations. I shook his hand. I never talked to him again. A year later, I've been arrested, and we get discovery, and we see that there never was any Japanese diplomat. He was an FBI agent What? Trying to get me to commit actual espionage, but I kept reporting the meetings back to the FBI. And then there was a there was a memo to Peter Strak who actually put Not really. Put the cuffs on me in in 2032. The Peter Strak? The Peter Strak. He actually I'll get to that in a second. But one of the one of the FBI agents wrote to Peter Strok and said, we should end this operation. He's clearly not gonna take the bait. Speaker 0: No way. And I said Speaker 1: to my lawyer, why would they do this? I'm a patriot. The FBI did that to you? Mhmm. Mhmm. Because I hadn't committed espionage. Speaker 0: We're burn down down, actually. Yeah. I mean, that's Yeah. Speaker 1: John Brennan specifically said, charge him with espionage. Well, I hadn't committed espionage. And so they're trying to get me to commit it so they can charge me. I kept reporting it back to them. Speaker 0: Who was the guy? The Japanese diplomat. Speaker 1: No. He was just an an Asian FBI agent who didn't speak a word of Japanese, but he did speak Arabic. So he pretended No. You're blowing my mind. He pretended to not speak English so that I wouldn't be sure this happened? %. It's all it was all in the discovery. But Brennan said charge him with espionage. And they were like, okay. Well, we gotta charge him with espionage. Speaker 0: To create the crime Mhmm. In order to fit the charge. Speaker 1: Mhmm. And what happened? They charged me with three counts of espionage. Wait. How can you believe that? Speaker 0: It's so, like, I have friends who have a lot of interesting information on the Oklahoma City bombing. Oh. And my brain doesn't wanna go there. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: Same with January 6. Same with a bunch of different operations the FBI has been involved in where it seems pretty obvious they're trying to get people to commit felonies, acts of violence, acts of terrorism. And I'm like, I just I I can't bring myself to believe that that happens in The United States, but you're describing it. Speaker 1: Oh, Tucker. I was in prison with this poor guy. This guy was just a just a dope. And he and a couple of buddies were in a bar one day in Cleveland, and this other guy was there drinking with him, and he said, hey. You know what would be fun? We should blow up the Route 82 Bridge. And they were saying they were drunk. They said, yeah. That would be so much fun. I'll I'll get the explosives. Well, he's an FBI informant. The FBI gives inert explosives. These idiots go out to the Route 82 Bridge and try to blow it up. It doesn't blow up. And then the FBI comes out from behind the bushes. They got twenty, twenty five, and thirty years in in prison. Speaker 0: Why would they do that to Speaker 1: this Why would they do that? It wasn't their idea to blow up the stupid bridge. Speaker 0: But but why were they targeted? Speaker 1: Because this is how FBI agents get promoted. They don't get promoted by not arresting you. They get promoted by arresting you and heaping charges on you so that eventually you go bankrupt and you give up, and then they say, okay. Here's the deal. We'll drop all the charges but one. You take a guilty plea to a felony, and then you do, you know, two years or whatever. But these guys went to trial because they said, no. Well, it wasn't our idea. It wasn't our explosives. It was the FBI's explosives, and it was the FBI's guy that talked us into doing it. We were just having drinks that night. We weren't gonna blow up a bridge, but that's that's how they get ahead in Washington. Speaker 0: That is but they're I mean, they're targeting American citizens for destruction. Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. That's what they do. Speaker 0: You need to shut down the FBI right away. Speaker 1: I would not object to that at all. And in my case, they charged me with three counts of Speaker 0: What is the fucking point of all of this? Yeah. Pay your taxes. Speaker 1: I know. Right? Speaker 0: Hoist the flag on your front lawn. I do those things. Speaker 1: Yeah. I do too. And and Speaker 0: then they try to destroy you? Yeah. Like and you're because your crime is you didn't like John Brennan when you both were junior guys at CIA. Speaker 1: Yeah. I you called the rapist Speaker 0: Lee said the president, George W. Bush Speaker 1: Was lying. Speaker 0: Was lying because he is a liar Mhmm. Unfortunately. And so, like, let's spend millions of dollars on Speaker 1: all this million dollars of the taxpayers' money is what they spend on my To destroy you. Mhmm. Speaker 0: 6,000,000 pardon right away from Trump. But okay. Sorry. Sorry. Everybody get me emotional. This is just too ridiculous. I've known you a while. I I didn't know the details. Speaker 1: Was it was ugly. Speaker 0: So let me just go back. So Brennan orders this investigation the second Obama takes office. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: He goes to Eric Holder. Holder says we actually, our staff attorneys don't think that he committed espionage. Then what happens? Like, do you know that they're investigating you again? Speaker 1: No idea. No idea that I'm being investigated. So I'm going on my merry way. I'm trying to build a business in consulting. I have some big name clients. Things are starting to look up. In fact, I was going to New York so often that my wife said, you know, maybe we should buy a little pied a terre there, so instead of staying in a hotel, because things are going really well right now. You should you should talk to a real estate agent. It was so exciting. Right? And then 22 FBI agents raid my house. When? 01/12/2012. '20 '12? '20 '12. They investigated me for three years. Speaker 0: Did you know they're investigating you? Speaker 1: No. And then when we got the discovery But Speaker 0: they investigated you for three years, and this is now, like, quite a few years after. The only thing you've done wrong is you gave an interview to ABC News saying three things. The president lied. We had a torture program. And what's the third one? Speaker 1: And the torture was was And was approved. By the president. Yes. Mhmm. Speaker 0: All true. Speaker 1: All true. Speaker 0: And so for five, six years, they investigate you without telling you. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: Now what were they doing to investigate you? Speaker 1: They were they had my phones tapped. Actually? Actually tapped. Yep. They intercepted all of my emails, and I'll tell you something funny about that. Speaker 0: For real? Speaker 1: There's a service that you can pay, like, $36 a year called readnotify.com. So if I want to write you an email, I put, you know, tucker carlson aol dot com dot readnotify dot com. And when you access it, it'll show me. Tucker Carlson read your email. He read it for two minutes and thirty seven seconds. He forwarded it. He deleted it. He filed it, whatever, and this is where he was located. And it has a a a town, and it'll have sometimes geo coordinates. Damn. So I I wanted to write a Freedom of Information Act request because I was thinking of writing a book about an author, a novelist from the fifties, and I wanted to know whether he had worked at the CIA. So I sent this Freedom of Information Act request. Actually, I called a journalist that I knew who writes these things every day, and I said, I don't want it to get rejected, so can you walk me through the process? He said, yeah, just send me what you have, and I'll correct it for you. So I sent it to him, and I got a read notify notification, and I looked at it and it said, Accessed in Washington, D. C. And I said to him, I called him and I said, You're not in Washington today, right? And he said, No, I'm in LA. Why? I said, because somebody just accessed the email, and it's in Washington. I said, hold on, because it has geo coordinates attached to it. So I took the geo coordinates, I put it into Google Earth. And you know Google Earth, it shows you the whole planet, and then it kind of zeros in on the FBI's Washington field office. No way. And he said, are they looking at you or are they looking at me? I said, I haven't done anything. They're probably looking at you. Speaker 0: Because you didn't even know you were under investigation. Speaker 1: No idea. But they were looking at me, and they were accessing all of my emails. They even followed my family and me into church, into Target to go shopping, and and they would write these stupid reports. Subject and his family went to church, sat in the first pew. Hour and fifteen minutes later, subject and family went home. Speaker 0: All because you called the president a liar? Mhmm. 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I mean, did you kill anybody? Were you dealing heroin at all? Nope. Speaker 1: Nothing. And then You didn't start some Speaker 0: kind of fake cryptocurrency company? Speaker 1: I wish I had thought of it. I'd be rich today. Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Right. I hope at some point we can talk about all the actual criminals who are Right. Richer living in my neighborhood. Right. Richer than ever. Okay. So but you don't know any of this is going on. When do you when do you get confirmation that you're the target of an investigation? Speaker 1: The FBI called me. I was sitting at my computer one morning writing an op ed, and the FBI called me, and I looked my phone and it said Federal Bureau of Investigation. And I thought, what in the world is that? So I answered it. I said, hi. This is John. May I help you? And he says, hi. This is special agent I forget what. Do you remember that case that you helped us out with when you were on Capitol Hill? Cause remember, I didn't know that this Japanese guy was an FBI agent yet. I said, sure. Speaker 0: This is so freaking bonkers. Speaker 1: Yeah. And he said, well, we have another case and we need your help. And I said, because I'm an idiot and a patriot, I said, anything for the FBI. What do you want from me? That's what I told him. He said, can you come down here tomorrow at ten? I said, absolutely. So I went at 10:00, and I said, what do you want me to do? Speaker 0: Said Which is to the FBI building downtown? Yes. Speaker 1: I said, is it with the Russians? Who is it? Well, you know, before we get to that, he says, I wanted to ask I just read your book, which was a lie. I had a book that had come out two years earlier. I just read your book, and I just wanna ask you a couple of questions, and it was all about the torture program. And I'm getting more and more nervous. And finally What were the questions? Well, when you were in Pakistan and you were describing this this piece of technology, did you get that cleared by the CIA? I said, of course, I got it cleared. I said, it took me nine months to write that book and twenty two months to get it cleared at the CIA's publications review board. Well, you know, what about this guy? You mentioned this guy. Do you remember you just say John Doe. Do you remember his name? I'm like, yeah. I remember his name. And then I said, what what what are we talking about here? And then one of them said, well, we probably should tell you that as we're speaking right now, we're raiding your house. We're confiscating all of your electronics, and Holy shit. You're gonna be charged with a lot of crimes. What? Uh-huh. That's what he said. Speaker 0: And thank God Wait. As you were talking, were raiding your house? Mhmm. Speaker 1: My wife later told me that as soon as I got on the metro to go to the FBI, they just broke down the door. Speaker 0: Was she home? Speaker 1: With our two month old son. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yep. And then one of the one of the female FBI Speaker 0: agents drain the swamp is not not strong enough. No. It's not. Speaker 1: Burn it down. Burn it down. Yes. You know, this is neither here nor there because my opinion is not important. But when Kash Patel was named the director of the FBI, I wrote an op ed in a leftist for a leftist news outlet celebrating this appointment, saying this is exactly what we need to do. We need to tear the place down to its studs. If there's going to be a federal law enforcement organization, this one needs to be scrapped and rebuilt, and nobody else has the guts to do it. Speaker 0: Yeah. Let's build them in a headquarters, though. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. In Kansas, maybe. Speaker 0: Yeah. Leavenworth. Speaker 1: Oh, excuse me. One final sentence. I thank God that I had the presence of mind to say, I want I want to speak to my attorney, and I'm not saying anything else. And that was the only reason they didn't put the cuffs on me right there. So I said, I want to leave, and I got up, and they said, just a minute, just a minute. I said, no. If I'm not under arrest, that means I'm free to leave. And as I walked out, Peter Strauch was standing there, and he said, did he implicate himself? And the guy says, not really, but I'll tell you about it in a second. And he turned to me, and he said, you're free to go. Speaker 0: Did you have any idea what this was about? Speaker 1: No. No idea. No idea. They're they they charged me with This Speaker 0: is like a bad dream. Speaker 1: It was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. I I went outside, I called my lawyer, he told me, come to the office immediately. I went, told him everything that happened. He told me, try to take it easy. I said, this is a death penalty case. He said, just take it easy. They're not gonna see What was happening? Speaker 0: Did you call home and ask your wife? What was Speaker 1: Yeah. And she was just wonderful. She she was as calm as I wished I could be. And she said, the FBI's here. I said, I know. I said, are they treating you with respect? And she said, well, one of the female agents said, why don't you sit with that beautiful baby and don't get up? Speaker 0: Why don't you go fuck yourself Speaker 1: Exactly. Actually. Speaker 0: Excuse me. Talking that way to your wife with a newborn baby. Speaker 1: Mhmm. And then within hours, of course, they leak it to the media immediately. So within hours, all four of my clients, and these were like household name clients that I had for this consulting business I was trying to get up and running. All four of them dropped me. That day? That day. And then immediately Profiles encourage award. I tell you. The phone, we got I we we counted actually. We got something like 65 or 67 calls from the media that that night. I just shut my phone off. We unplugged the we had landlines back then. One of the local networks put a truck in front of our house with a spotlight on the house. No way. Humiliating. Just utterly humiliating. Speaker 0: And I just wanna say for the fifth time, because at this point, I mean, you're being treated like El Chapo. Okay? Your only crime was an ABC interview with Brian Ross in 2007 in which you say, yes, the CIA does have a torture program. I know because I worked there, and the president authorized it and lied about it in public. That's that's that's your sum total of your crimes. Speaker 1: That was it. I'm gonna cut to the chase here. Speaker 0: Is so unbelievable. So you go to your lawyer's office, you find out you're being charged with espionage. Mhmm. Speaker 1: I called my wife. She came and picked me up, and I told her, I'm gonna kill myself. This is a death penalty case. I haven't done anything wrong. And she's like, you're not gonna kill yourself. Let's just take this one step at a time. What did the lawyers say? And then we started taking it from there. Speaker 0: When did you get arrested? Speaker 1: January no. Four days later. That was on a so this is another trick that they use, and they did this with the j six people. The FBI loves, loves, loves to make their arrests on Fridays. Right? Or Thursdays after five, because there are no federal arraignments on Fridays. So you get arrested on a Thursday evening, and you have to spend Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday night in jail. And then you get to go to a rain Speaker 0: To that end. Speaker 1: On Monday. No, only because I asked to see my attorney. And so they told me I had to turn myself in at the FBI Monday morning at ten. Tucker, when I tell you I had these guys on me from Thursday to Monday, like white on rice, I mean, six feet off my bunk my bumper everywhere we went. Even one of my neighbors called to say he had gotten up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, and he looked out the window, and he said, buddy, there are, like, carloads of people out there at 03:00 in the morning just staring at your house. And I said, I know. I know. It's the FBI. There's nothing I can do. And so they followed us. Like, there were FBI cars on either side of us and behind us as we drove to the FBI that Monday morning. And then when I got out of the car and walked into the FBI headquarters, they broke off. And then they they chained me to a to a metal bench. So I'm I'm like this Actually? With a handcuff. I yeah. Yeah. And I said And Strzok was there. Oh, yeah. He was there. And, you know, but I didn't know I didn't know he was Peter Strzok until I got a call in 2019 from a reporter at the Washington Post. Twenty no. No. 2017, reporter for the Washington Post. And he said, hey. I wanted to get your thoughts on Peter Strock being fired from the FBI. I said, I don't know anything about Peter Strock other than what I've read in the Washington Post. He said, no. Peter Strock arrested you in January of twenty twelve. I said, that was Peter Strock? He said, yeah. It was Peter Strock. He was the head of the counterintelligence division. It was Peter Strock that wrote the reports on your arrest. He's the one that physically put the cuffs on you. And I said, oh my god. I said, yes. I'll give you a statement. He said, what's the statement? And I said, the statement is that statement is that karma's a bitch, and now it's his turn. Yeah. So all they printed was now it's his turn. Speaker 0: I think he wound up getting like a million dollar settlement, actually. He Speaker 1: did. And there was a GoFundMe He got richer. He got richer. And there was a GoFundMe that raised another half a million dollars. Yeah. Speaker 0: This is so It's a nightmare. So okay. You're charged Speaker 1: just to Yeah. Three counts of espionage. Speaker 0: Three counts of espionage. Speaker 1: One Speaker 0: But not specifying who you spied for. Speaker 1: Nope. There was never even an accusation that I had spied for anybody. One count of making a false statement. We were never exactly sure what the false statement was supposed to have been. It had something to do with the clearance process for my book. And one count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. Speaker 0: Did you reveal the identities of anyone? Speaker 1: Here's that story. In the February, '6 months after I blew the whistle, I got an email from a journalist who was writing a book on the CIA's rendition program. I told him, I don't know anything about renditions. Kidnapping was not my thing at the agency. I can't help you. So he sends me a list of a dozen names. He said, can you introduce me to any of these people so that I can interview them? I said, I don't know any of these people. Then he sent me a second list of a dozen names, and I said, look, you clearly know this better than I do. I don't know any of these people. And then he said, there's a guy that you mentioned on like page 165 of your book. You called him John. Can I mention can I interview him? And I said, oh, you're talking about John Doe. I I don't know whatever happened to him. He's probably retired and living in Virginia somewhere. They got me. I confirmed the surname of a former colleague. That was it. That's the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. Speaker 0: And they knew that because they were listening to the Speaker 1: call. Mhmm. Well, it got worse. They didn't recognize that as a violation until the journalist who wasn't really writing a book, gave the name to Human Rights Watch. Human Rights Watch gave the name to the Guantanamo Defense Attorneys. The Guantanamo Defense Attorneys wrote a classified motion telling the judge at Guantanamo, we'd like to interview this John Doe. The judge said, hey. This name is probably classified. He gave it to the FBI. They gave it to the CIA. The CIA gave it to John Brennan. Speaker 0: This is crazy. What do you mean the journalist wasn't really writing a book? Speaker 1: He was pretending to write a book on the Abu Omar rendition from Milan. There really was no book. He was really working for the Guantanamo Defense Attorneys as kind of a private eye without telling anybody. What? Speaker 0: Yeah. Man, the level of treachery Yeah. Speaker 1: Welcome to Washington. It's it's that bad. Speaker 0: Oh, I'm very aware of that. Yeah. Speaker 1: I'm so glad I'm not there anymore. Oh my god. I can't wait until I the day I can leave. Speaker 0: It's like nothing is as it seems. Everyone's lying. Everyone's pretending to be something he's not. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: And underneath it all is the willingness to to hurt people, to kill them. I mean yeah. Yes. Exactly. It's not just like, you know, we're competing and I'm, like, elbowing you out of the way. Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that promotion before you do. Speaker 0: It's like if you if if I need to make sure you die in prison, that's okay. That's really sick. Speaker 1: Speaking of which, I took a plea to make the the first of all, they waited until I went bankrupt, and then they dropped all three of the espionage charges. Speaker 0: Okay. So what were you facing initially? You get charged. You get Speaker 1: Forty forty five years. Speaker 0: Forty five years in prison. Mhmm. Speaker 1: And one of the one of the attorneys in in the Obama holder justice department said to me at the first proffer meeting, they offered me forty five years, and this woman says, take the deal, mister Kiriaku, and you may live to meet your grandchildren. Speaker 0: Who what? Do you remember her name? Speaker 1: I don't. I remember she had a Vietnamese name, like Nguyen or Tran or something like that, but she ended up, like, getting promoted in the Biden justice department. Really? Very, very important. Yeah. Speaker 0: Yeah. I hope I hope that she becomes famous for that because Speaker 1: I hope so too. Speaker 0: That level of cruelty to another human being is there's no justification for that. Speaker 1: They wanted me to die in prison. That was the plan. And so my attorney said, you haven't done anything wrong. We're gonna go to trial. Right? We're gonna go to trial. And I said, okay. Let's do it. Speaker 0: Let's go to Anyone alleged that you lied Speaker 1: ever? Ever. Never. Never. And, you know, that's a really important point. And we talked about that. We talked about me testifying in my trial because literally everything I said was the truth. In fact, fast forward to December of twenty fourteen, I'm gonna be released from prison in six weeks, and I called my wife, and I was allowed to call her for fifteen minutes every other day. And I said, how was your day? And she said, it was great. And I said, great? Why was it so great? And she said, because the senate torture report came out today, and it proved that everything you said was true. So I said, you know what? That made it worth it. Speaker 0: So you went to prison, you were facing life in actually, you're facing the death penalty initially. Speaker 1: Death penalty. Speaker 0: Because you told the truth about other people's lies. Correct. So the truth teller, and I'm just I want to put a very fine point on this because I think it is a trend, and I think it's a sign of evil. You know, the definition of evil is lies, lying, and the truth teller faces death, the liars thrive. Yes. So that's a system that can't continue. That's not a virtuous system, that's an evil system. Speaker 1: You're exactly right. And may I add a statistic? The Espionage Act was written in 1917 Yes. To combat German saboteurs during the first Speaker 0: world war. Nineteen seventeen being one of the darkest periods in American history. Speaker 1: When it comes to civil liberties, one of the darkest periods. Speaker 0: The most anti, almost un American moment, really, Speaker 1: with Without any question. Speaker 0: Probably one of the worst presidents we ever had, Woodrow Wilson. Speaker 1: Double without any question. Speaker 0: Yeah. Destroy Christian Europe for no reason at all. Right. Yeah. Speaker 1: It espionage has never been meaningfully updated. In fact, it doesn't even mention the words classified information because the classification system wasn't invented until the Speaker 0: Most Americans didn't have electricity in 1970. Speaker 1: Right. Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 1: Between 1917 and the election of Barack Obama, three Americans were charged with espionage for speaking to the press. Under Barack Obama, eight people, almost three times all previous presidents combined, were charged with espionage for speaking to the press. Three times. Speaker 0: And none of them was charged with lying? Speaker 1: Not a single one of them. Speaker 0: Because lying is not a crime. That's right. Telling the truth is a crime. That's all you need to know. You can't support a system in which telling the truth is a crime and lying is rewarded. Sorry. Speaker 1: I mentioned to you last night privately that one of my attorneys really put this whole thing into a couple of sentences, and it was so powerful, so profound what he said that it has stuck with me. I decided to turn down the Justice Department's best and final offer of two and a half years in prison. I said, I haven't done anything wrong. And I had this stupid idea that as soon as I get in front of a jury, they're going to see how ridiculous this is, and I'm going to be acquitted. Well, that's nuts. Yeah. So he said to me, you know what your problem is? Your problem is you think this is about justice, and it's not about justice. It's about mitigating damage. Take the deal. And so I took the deal. What was I going to do? I have five kids at home. Should I take two and a half years? I'm going to do twenty three months, or should I roll the dice? And I said to him, I said, if I turn the deal down, what am I realistically looking at here? And he said, twelve to eighteen years. Take the Deers. Mhmm. So I took it. Speaker 0: For telling the truth in an ABC interview. How long was that ABC interview? Speaker 1: Thirty minutes? Forty minutes? Speaker 0: If if you had to replay your life, live it again, would you have done that? Speaker 1: Yes, actually. Wow. I would have. The only thing I would have done differently is I would have had my attorney sitting with me. I I had to be reactive by hiring an attorney after blowing the whistle, so we had to respond to the media and respond to the justice department. I would have hired the attorney first, but yes, somebody had to say something. Somebody. It's these these Bush people and the Obama people who covered up the Bush administration's crimes that were the that were the criminals. Speaker 0: The amazing thing is that of Barack Obama, I mean, I was there. I mean, I knew Obama. He ran against all that stuff. Yeah. He did. Right? Iraq was the bad war. Afghanistan was the good war, and he he ran a campaign against that. You know? But he ended up throwing into prison the guy who told the truth about it. Speaker 1: Mark Halpern and John Heilman wrote a book about the well, both the two thousand eight election and the two thousand twelve election. And in the second book, they quote Obama twice, saying things that just put it all into perspective. Number one, he said, I never said I was a liberal. Like, why are the liberals so mad that he's a warmongering, you know, neocon? I never said I was a liberal, he said. And the the other thing he said that really struck me, he was talking about the drone program. He killed 10 times more people with drones than George W. Bush did, and he said, you know, I never realized I would be so good at killing people. Speaker 0: He's a cold human being. Speaker 1: What is that? That's that's sociopathy. Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, for sure. Speaker 1: You have to be a sociopath to to even think that way. Yes. But he surrounded himself with other sociopaths like John Brennan, who for sport would ruin people's lives to the point where they're actively considering suicide or making plans to die in prison. Speaker 0: These are Americans he's doing this to. Americans. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: Clearly, a man capable of great violence, and you you wonder if he's involved in plotting physical violence against Americans now. Would not surprise me at all. Speaker 1: I would not be surprised by anything anymore. You know, when president Trump I had to laugh. When president Trump stripped him of a security clearance, I went on one of the networks. Well, I went on Fox, but I think I also went on MSNBC that week to say, why does John Brennan deserve a security clearance? Speaker 0: Exactly. Why don't I have private citizen. Do you have one? Speaker 1: I don't. Speaker 0: I don't either. Speaker 1: See? So why does John Brennan get one? Speaker 0: I agree. Speaker 1: So I said, of course, the president should strip John Brennan of the security clearance. And then when he disallowed Brennan from entering into a government building, I went on Fox, and they said, is this legit? I said, of course it is. This guy is so dangerous that he shouldn't be anywhere near a federal building. With what we know he's plotted in the past, God knows what he's cooking up today. No. I wouldn't trust him in a federal building. I wouldn't trust him in a position of trust, and I wouldn't trust him with a security clearance. He's dangerous. Speaker 0: Well, all these people have security clearances, which really are the currency in Washington Speaker 1: Very much Speaker 0: so. Conduct business without one in DC because everything is classified. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: Not to protect American national security, but for the obvious power advantage it gives the holders of those clearances. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: So, you know, I I think there should be a real attempt to do that to a lot of people, like a lot of people, but there won't be. Speaker 1: No. No. There won't be. Speaker 0: So anyway, you you plead. You get how much time I got thirty months. Speaker 1: And at sentencing, my attorneys asked that I be sent to a minimum security work camp. There are no bars on the windows. There are no locks on the doors. You're free to come and go. Most of those guys worked in town at the local university, sweeping the floors or whatever. And there was a possibility that I could get out in seventeen months with good behavior and halfway house, not halfway house, but home confinement. So I said, okay, this will be easy. So I get to the prison. It's very strange when you go to prison. If you're not remanded at sentencing, you have to physically drive to the prison and knock on the door and say, yeah, I'm here to turn myself in for Speaker 0: The opposite of a jailbreak. Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's nuts. It's nuts. And of course, I've got, you know, two cars with me. There's a documentary film crew and my lawyers and my cousin, and we we have this caravan that that that go to the prison with us. Speaker 0: So you've already said goodbye to your children. Speaker 1: Already said goodbye to my children. Speaker 0: What was that like? Speaker 1: They were very young, and so I said, you remember I had that fight with the FBI? And they said, yes. And I said, well, I lost, And so I have to go to Pennsylvania for a while, and I'm going to teach bad guys how to read and write, because I figured I'd probably teach a GED class or something. And I said, but you're gonna come and visit me all the time, and then I'm gonna come back home and everything's gonna be great. Speaker 0: Who were they? Speaker 1: They were eight, six, and one. Speaker 0: Your little kids. Mhmm. Speaker 1: And Speaker 0: so Six and one. Speaker 1: In the visiting room, there was a sign on one of the doors that said inmates only, and my eight year old said, dad, what's an inmate? And I without thinking, I said, it's a prisoner. And he said, wait a minute. Are you a prisoner here, or are you a teacher here? And I said, buddy, I'm a prisoner here, but we're gonna get past this. It's gonna go quickly, and I'm gonna be home, and everything's gonna be good again. Ugh. It took everything I had not to Speaker 0: That makes me emotional. Yeah. Oh, that's bad. Yeah. I'm out of adjectives actually for that. So you didn't wind up in the work camp? Speaker 1: No. The CIA under John Brennan, who was He Speaker 0: was director by this point. Speaker 1: No. But he was soon to be director actually, 02/2012. Yeah. He was director at that point. Yes. Yes. Thanks for correcting me. The CIA objected. They objected to my placement in a minimum security camp. Speaker 0: Well, they're vindictive, aren't they? I guess, asked Julian Assange how vindictive they are. Speaker 1: And and why I got there. Exactly. Exactly. Ask Julian Assange. They almost killed him. Speaker 0: So Under Mike Pompeo plotted his murder. Speaker 1: Literally. Speaker 0: Who's still free, by the way. Is Mike Pompeo in jail? Speaker 1: I haven't seen any announcement that he Speaker 0: Are you allowed as an appointee to a government, not elected, just an appointee, are you allowed to plot the murder of people who embarrass the agency? Speaker 1: You are not. Speaker 0: Oh, you're not allowed. Okay. Speaker 1: You are not. Speaker 0: You can't so you can't use federal funds to murder people who embarrass you? Speaker 1: Only if you're Barack Obama, but anybody else, no. You can't do Speaker 0: that. So if you do that, have you committed a crime? Speaker 1: Yeah. A serious crime. Speaker 0: A serious crime would be attempted murder, I think, plotting a a murder. Speaker 1: There's a former CIA officer, Bob Bear, who was who was given a choice to either be charged with attempted murder or resign from the agency for talking to a Kurdish group about killing Saddam Hussein. So why wasn't Mike Pompeo arrested for talking about or planning? He did more than talking. They planned to murder Julian Assange. Speaker 0: I don't know. That's a whole different conversation. To sue me for saying that. Speaker 1: Well, the facts are a defense. Speaker 0: I hope you will. Speaker 1: I hope you go. Speaker 0: Discovery would be fun. Anyway, sorry. It's also you say goodbye to your children. Speaker 1: I do. I say goodbye to Speaker 0: my The CI makes certain you don't go to the work camp. Mhmm. You go to a prison. Speaker 1: Yeah. It was five days before I got access to a phone at the prison, and I called Speaker 0: What was that? Speaker 1: My lawyer. Speaker 0: The first five days. Speaker 1: It was you know, looking back, I think I was in shock. Speaker 0: Did you think about fleeing? Speaker 1: Everybody does. Speaker 0: Yeah. I don't know that I would submit to that. I mean, I you know, you never know until you're there, Speaker 1: but it is yourself constantly looking at the fences, constantly calculating how bad you'll get cut up with the concertina wire. Speaker 0: Before you report to prison, did you think like, I served this country. I grew up here. You're from a, you know, middle class family, pro America. No. You never thought about fleeing the country. Speaker 1: Why? No. I was right and they were wrong. And, you know, the truth, Tucker always has a way of of coming out. Always. Sometimes it takes a while, but the truth always comes out. And in fact, the the deputy director for operations at the CIA under Brennan, Jose Rodriguez, another notorious murderer, tweeted at me the night before I left for prison, and he said, don't drop the soap. Speaker 0: He actually tweeted that Speaker 1: at you? Mhmm. And I tweeted back at him, and I said, Jose, I am on the right side of history, and you are not. Speaker 0: These people are morally diseased. Mhmm. When Michael Avenatti, who I mocked for years as the creepy porn lawyer, went to prison, I felt sad for him. Sure. Because you're a human being. I despised him. Mhmm. But he's in prison. Ever been to a prison? I've been to many prisons. You don't wanna be in well, you served in prison. Speaker 1: You don't wanna be in prison. Speaker 0: To to cheer when a man goes to prison and your only crime was embarrassing them by telling the truth. Whatever happened to the Jose character? He took MSNBC contributor? Speaker 1: He took his $6,000,000 book advance and moved to Florida. Actually? Mhmm. Speaker 0: Doesn't this? I mean, why are you not insane? Speaker 1: I know. Speaker 0: There's a lightness to you that Speaker 1: Thank you. And maybe I'm an idiot, but I really believe that I'm on the right side of this, and I'm hopeful that president Trump will pardon me. I have an amazing amount of support. Speaker 0: I I I hope that you get a pardon this afternoon. I really do. This is horrifying. His enemies are the people who did this to you. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: He ran against this kind of Speaker 1: Yes. He did. Behavior. And he righted it with the j six people, with Rod Blagojevich. I wrote Rod Blagojevich a letter when he went to prison. This is before I was ever in trouble. Yeah. I wrote him a letter and I said, you don't know me, I don't live in Illinois, but this is a travesty. Speaker 0: It was. I remember Speaker 1: There's no crime that was actually committed. Oh, I know. And then fourteen years, Have people lost their minds? Speaker 0: I know. Speaker 1: But the president you know, you and I were talking about this privately. The president has been unlike almost every other president in that he's not waiting for the political safe period to issue pardons Right. After an election. Right? He just issues them as they come to Speaker 0: To pardon Mark Rich because he's sleeping with his wife Precisely. For example. Speaker 1: Precisely. You know who else did that? Historians have told us historians have documented that Abraham Lincoln used to sit up late into the night pardoning people by candlelight because he said, for example, that army deserters shouldn't be executed for cowardice. Speaker 0: I agree. Speaker 1: He didn't wait until after a congressional election, and neither does this president. Speaker 0: Yeah. The British army disgraced itself by they they murdered a lot of their own men Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: They did. Who snapped. Cowardice is contemptible, of course, but you shouldn't kill a boy because he runs away. Exactly. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. It's like, you know, regain your senses for a second. So anyway, the first five days Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: You were in shock. I was in shock. Speaker 1: I was in prison for forty minutes, and the only thing that the cop who processed me said to me was, if somebody comes into your cell uninvited, that's an act of aggression. And I said, great. Thank you. And then he walked away. And sure enough, these two guys walk in. One of them had a swastika that took up his entire neck, came up onto his face. The other one had fuck you tattooed on his on his eyelids. Speaker 0: It's like kind of a movie. Speaker 1: It was nuts. And I jumped up, and I said, what do you want? Because I thought, it's two of them, it's one of me, but I'm I'm gonna do my best. Speaker 0: You got to. Yeah. Speaker 1: And the one with the swastika said, are you the CIA guy? And I said, yeah. So? And he said, are you a fag? And I said, no, I'm not a fag. You know, I haven't even said that word in so many years, Speaker 0: but We're not in Georgetown anymore. Speaker 1: And he says, are you a rat? I said, no. I'm not a rat. I didn't have anybody else in my case. And he said, are you a Chomo? I said, I don't know what that word means. And he goes, Chomo, like I'm stupid. Chomo, child molester. I said, no. I'm not a child molester. And he says, okay. You can sit with the Aryans in the cafeteria. And I said, oh, okay then. And, you know, funny thing, a year later, I I lived right across the hall from from a senior captain, the number three in one of New York's five families. Right? He said Good guy? Good great guy. Not even good guy, a great guy. I would give him A Speaker 0: good fellow, really. Speaker 1: He was a good fellow. I'd give him the New York Times every day. He would give me the New York Post. We traded papers every day. So, you know, he got a Christmas card one year from Derek Jeter that really impressed me. Speaker 0: Der I've met Derek Jeter. Nice Speaker 1: man. Sweet guy. Yeah. Absolutely. So, anyway, he said to me, let me ask you something. Why do you sit with those Nazi retards in the cafeteria? I said, I I don't know. My first day here, they told me to sit with them. And he says, very dramatically, from today, you're with the Italians. And so from that day, I was with the Italians. Speaker 0: And you're still friends with some of them. Speaker 1: I I am. We were talking Speaker 0: about a dinner last Speaker 1: night. We talk frequently. Good guys. Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. That was a misapplication of federal power. It's like, know, obviously, you don't want, you know, organized crime. On the other hand, like, if that's your number one well, look at what's happened to America post mafia. Has it gotten a lot better? Speaker 1: Oh, no. It hasn't. I don't think so. Speaker 0: No. It hasn't. Bensonhurst has not improved. No. It hasn't. I know. I'm aware. I'm aware. They did a better job with Staten Island than the current rulers have. So at this point, your case is well known. Not well. It's known. Okay. I was I'm in the media, so I'm sort of following it, but I don't really know. It's a leak investigation. You've somehow betrayed your country. Right. That's all we know. Right. But there are some people who are paying attention, and they're making a lot of noise, but but it doesn't matter. No. It doesn't matter. Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. My support came from people on the hard left Yes. And people on the libertarian right. Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 1: It it led me to the conclusion that the ideological spectrum is not a straight line. Speaker 0: No. Speaker 1: It's a circle, and it meets at a certain point Yes. Where civil liberties are concerned. Speaker 0: I agree. Speaker 1: And so I started following other people's cases that would never have interested me in the past. It was always cases dealing with government overreach, like reassessing Ruby Ridge, right, or Waco. I mean Speaker 0: I mean, Ruby Ridge was really just absolutely murdered the guys In cold in his wife's his wife's Randy Weaver because his shotgun was two inches too short or something. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: Lon Harucci, I think was the name of the FBI sniper. I wanna say it again. Lon Harucci. Speaker 1: Murdered them in cold blood. Speaker 0: Shot a woman? Really? Speaker 1: Yeah. A woman. Who's just standing in the Holding Speaker 0: a baby. Speaker 1: Holding a baby. Uh-huh. That's right. Yeah. And that Speaker 0: was and by the way, that was not only never punished. Lan Harucci was never punished for that. He should've gone right to prison for murder, and his superior should've gone right to prison for authorizing that murder. But it was like at the time, it was like, oh, are you a Ruby Ridge person? Like, you care? Speaker 1: Right. Like, you're a wacko or something. Right wing extremist. Yes. If you Speaker 0: could extremist, so I knew about it, and I was really bothered by it. Right wing in the sense that I I believed in the bill of rights. I don't think you should be able to murder women for no reason. Speaker 1: Like People began sending me books by John Whitehead, and I remember just blowing through these books saying, why have I never heard of this guy before? Don't know. I mean, he's talking sense here about government overreach. Speaker 0: He had case after case after case. Speaker 1: All documented. Speaker 0: I have that book on my shelf in my office. Government of wolves. It's unbelievable. But the media, not to blame everything on the media, but it is kind of the mouthpiece of the blob. Yes. It is. Yeah. The Praetorian Guard, really. The protectors, the bodyguards of the murderers and the liars. They just man, they swarmed anybody who expressed concern about these cases. Speaker 1: That's right. They try to paint you as a radical. Speaker 0: A conspiracy theorist. Speaker 1: Conspiracy theorist, a term that was created by the CIA, by the Speaker 0: way. Yes. Uh-huh. Who shot the man's wife. Mhmm. So this so you your views, and I should have done a people can Google you, and I hope that they will, but it's hard to overstate the departure that this turn is from the rest of your life. Oh, yeah. You weren't a CIA paramilitary. You were an actual just like officer. Case officer. Yeah. Case officer. Speaker 1: Recruiting spies to steal secrets. Speaker 0: Multilingual. You speak Greek. You speak Arabic Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: Which is, like, considered basically impossible for native English speakers. You're a scholar Mhmm. Literally, and and kind of an academic in some ways. Mean, right? Speaker 1: I'm a professor of intelligence studies now at the University of Salamanca in Spain, and I taught for four years at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 1: And it's funny when they called me to hire me, I said, said, wow, I'm flattered, but you and I probably disagree on 99% of the issues. Why would you want me to teach in the Jesse Helms School of Government? And the dean said, because torture is not Christian. Speaker 0: It certainly isn't. Speaker 1: And I said, you know what? I'll take the job. Speaker 0: Certainly isn't. Speaker 1: And I love those guys. I'm still in touch with Killing Speaker 0: unarmed defenseless people is immoral. Speaker 1: It is. Speaker 0: And it's also just dishonorable in the most secular terms. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: If a man is handcuffed, you don't punch him in the face because it's bad for him, but it also degrades you. Speaker 1: That's right. It does. It's not how honorable men behave. PTSD and moral injury are real. Speaker 0: I totally agree. Speaker 1: We damage ourselves. Disgusting. Like, what what is Speaker 0: this anyway? I mean, I sort of believe that the the country was good because it was virtuous and, like, we Right. Certain things we don't do Mhmm. Because we're above that. We don't send our wives to go fight wars for us. No. We don't torture people who are chained because they can't fight back. Speaker 1: That's right. What is Speaker 0: this anyway? What what is this? Speaker 1: And then what happens when you go in and you say, oh, I accidentally killed him. Oh, well, just bury him out back. That's literally what they did. Actually Just bury him out back. Yeah. Mhmm. Speaker 0: It's just hard to make a moral case for the things that you're doing when you behave that way. Agreed. And and and to see once again the only man who tells the truth face the penalty Mhmm. And the liars thrive is really dispiriting. Speaker 1: It is. I'm confident things are gonna turn around. Speaker 0: I think so too. I I hope so. I pray that. Thank you. So how long were you in prison in the end? Speaker 1: Twenty three months, I didn't get a single day of halfway house time. They made sure that I did every day of that sentence. They had to take seven months off for good behavior. They had to because it's it's legally mandated, But I was in that prison for every last day that they could get out of me. Speaker 0: Were any elected officials sympathetic at all? Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yes. But none were really willing to go out on a limb. Gus Bilirakis, who's a congressman from Florida, he was very supportive and friendly. I I should add, it wasn't just Gus. Gus is is a sweetheart of a guy. It was the whole Greek American community. Man, they're cohesive. They are. We stick Speaker 0: together. I'm aware of yes. Speaker 1: So they they really went to the mat for me. I got fantastic press coverage in Greece. The Greek government hired me to help them write a new whistleblower protection law when I got out of prison. It was my first trip. I had to get permission from the judge to travel because I had just gotten out of prison. So that was fun. But really, no. And and Jim Moran, who was a Democratic congressman from Yeah. Jim was very helpful. Very, very helpful. But that was it besides the two of them. Speaker 0: Moran was I don't even know if he's still alive. I knew Moran pretty well. Yep. Drank too much. I don't know. Florid and wild private life, like crazy town. And I disagreed with him on all domestic policy issues passionately because he was very liberal, but his foreign policy views were out of the mainstream. Yes. He was not a neocon. Right. And boy, watching the job they did on Jim Moran Speaker 1: How many times they bash Speaker 0: him, ghouls like that, who just like on the merits. So Jim Moran seemed like possibly hadn't honored his marriage vows and Right. Drank too much. Okay. Okay. And he was, like, a loud mouth, and he was always ready to beat people up. He was, like, this big Irish guy. Okay. Got it. Those were his sins as I understand them. The people who were against him had, like, committed genocide. Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Right. And they Speaker 0: were like, it was crazy. It was crazy. And they systematically destroyed Jim Moran's life Speaker 1: Uh-huh. They Speaker 0: did. Asking, like, pretty obvious questions like, why did nine eleven happen? Speaker 1: Right. They don't wanna shut my Speaker 0: know? I mean, Speaker 1: like You'd think. Speaker 0: Assuming that it was exactly what they told us it was, which was this group of 19 Arabs, mostly Saudis, decided to, you know, attack The United States, whatever. Let's just say that's true. I'm assuming it is true. Mhmm. Why did they do that? Why are they willing to die for that? Like, what were they mad about? Speaker 1: That's the question. Speaker 0: What were they mad about? Yeah. That's what Jim Moran asked, and I'm like You can't ask Oh, by the way, Jim Moran. And then they, like, plastered. They they Glenn Greenwalled him. Yes. Big time. They did. And they kind of drove him out, and I think they he lost his seat in the end. Speaker 1: He retired. Oh, he did. Okay. And he he's at a political consulting firm in He's still in line? Plain, Virginia. I ran into him at a conference about a year ago. No way. Yeah. He's he's a lovely man. He really is. Speaker 0: I always secretly liked him. I had him on. I interviewed him a lot, and he would get, you know, per his the ethnic stereotype, he'd get, red in the face or, like, spit would come out, but I I kinda like you know, he was like a I liked him. Yeah. So sorry. Not to Speaker 1: And Gus Bilirakis is one of those guys who's just a genuinely nice guy. He and he's actually he's quite an accomplished legislator, which he doesn't get a lot of credit for, but he's a good guy. And so, you know, a fellow Greek American needed some help, and he was there to help. Speaker 0: Wow. Have you ever had any contact with CIA since you got out of prison? Speaker 1: No. No. Well, not other than sending articles and books in for clearance. Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 1: No. You know, when I got out of prison, I finished house arrest. I had ninety days of house arrest, and people started calling me, hey, let's meet for lunch, or let's have a pizza or whatever. And every time I would go to meet them, I'd be under surveillance. And the first few times Still? Yeah. But from whom? It it had to be the FBI. It could have been Speaker 0: the CIA. Basis, could they justify surveilling you? They sent you to prison for an abyss interview. Speaker 1: And it's done. It's all done. I'm just gonna go have a pizza. Speaker 0: And moreover, by this point, a congressional investigation has confirmed that you were telling the truth. Speaker 1: You're exactly right. Speaker 0: And this is just this is now on Wikipedia. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Mhmm. But Barack Obama was still in the White House. Speaker 0: Now why the policy hadn't changed? Speaker 1: I don't think he knew who I was one way or the other. I think that Brendan Whiteman said, there's this very dangerous guy, insider threat from the CIA. He leaked to the press and Obama just said, Speaker 0: You know? He's a cold man. He doesn't care. No. He doesn't care. So part of the reason that this has to be precedent, they cannot allow a CIA Speaker 1: officer break ranks. Very dangerous. There there actually was a legal precedent that was set in my case, and it was it was one of the things used against president Trump in the documents case. I was charged in the Eastern District Of Virginia, which is called the espionage court for a couple of reasons. Speaker 0: No. I'm aware. Speaker 1: Yeah. No no national security defendant has ever won a case there, ever. And it's the home of the Pentagon, the CIA Speaker 0: Of course. Speaker 1: All the defense contractors. So we made a hundred motions to use a hundred classified documents that we received in discovery in my defense, and we asked the judge to block off three days to hear our motions. And we walked into the courtroom, and she says, I'm going to make everybody's day much easier, and I'm going to just deny all 100 of these motions. You can't use any of these documents in the case. And my lawyer said, your honor, it's it's our whole defense. You're saying that we can't mount a defense. And she said, classified is classified, so you can't use the classified documents to defend him. So as we were walking out, I said to my lawyer, what just happened? And he said, we just lost the case. That's what happened. And I said, well, now what do we do? He said, now we talk about a plea. Speaker 0: So the government charges you with the death penalty offense and then gets to decide what you can talk about in court? Speaker 1: In fact, they made a list of words that I wasn't allowed to use in court. Like, I could not use the word whistleblower. I had to use the words swimming pool. There's a whole list. So Swimming pool? Uh-huh. Because the word whistleblower in and of itself, they deemed to be classified. And so I couldn't say, I'm a whistleblower. What grounds? How is it classified? They they say they say so. Speaker 0: The secret word? Mhmm. Speaker 1: So they invoked something called the CIPA, the classified information protection act. So they would clear the courtroom every time I had a hearing. They would put plastic tarp over the windows and tape it up so nobody could shoot a laser beam at the window and listen to the vibrations and hear classified information. There was the list of banned words like whistleblower. Yeah. Whistleblower. Absurd. Speaker 0: So that the physical security of The United States dependent upon you not using the word whistleblower. Speaker 1: Yeah. That was it. And so my lawyer said to the judge well, the judge said his reason for blowing the whistle is irrelevant. The question is, does the intelligence community say that he violated the espionage act? The answer is yes. And my lawyer said, your honor, are you saying that a person can accidentally commit espionage? And she said, that's exactly what I'm saying. Speaker 0: Who is this judge? Speaker 1: Her name was Leonie Brinkima. She was a Clinton appointee. Speaker 0: Was she not bright, or was she just so committed to the status quo to the intel community? Speaker 1: She's committed. She reserves every national security case for herself. They're supposed to go into a wheel, right, and be chosen randomly. She had Julian Assange. She had the Ed Snowden case, which never came. She had my case. She had Jeffrey Sterling, another CIA whistleblower. Every national security she had Zacharias Mosawi, the twentieth hijacker. So she reserves these cases for herself, and everybody gets the maximum. So she said in response to my attorney Speaker 0: She sounds like a scary person. Speaker 1: Oh, she terrifying. That the definition of whistle first, she said, I'm not respecting a precedent set in the Federal District Of Maryland. She's not respecting it in the Tom Drake case where the judge ruled that there had to be some harm to the national security. There was no harm in my case. Nobody was harmed, literally. The name that I confirmed was never made public. Never. So nobody was harmed. So she says the definition And actually, you Speaker 0: were speaking out against harm. Speaker 1: Yeah. I was speaking out against harm. She says the the definition of espionage is providing national defense information to any person not entitled to receive it. Period. Speaker 0: So That's espionage? Speaker 1: In her view. I mean, Speaker 0: it may be illegal, but it's not espionage is spying Speaker 1: For a foreign country. Correct. Daniel Ellsberg called me. He and I became very close friends over this whole thing, and he said, I'm going to ask you to do something that's completely selfless. I'm going to ask you to go to trial because we can only challenge the constitutionality of the Espionage Act if somebody goes to trial and is convicted. I said, Dan, I have five kids. I can't go to trial. So he asked Jeffrey Sterling to do it. Jeffrey did go to trial, was convicted. The judge saw that this conviction was kind of trumped up. And so he was convicted of nine felonies, including seven counts of espionage, and to use her words, I'm giving you kiriyaku plus twelve months. That's what she said at sentencing. I'm giving you kiriyaku plus twelve months. Speaker 0: Who is he alleged to have spied for? Speaker 1: No one. He gave he gave an interview to the New York Times about the the racial discrimination suit that he had filed against the CIA. They passed him over for a promotion just because he was black, and then they had the temerity to tell him, we're not promoting you because you're black. And he said, when did you realize I was black? Speaker 0: The irony is that there's a lot of espionage in Washington. Apparently. Yeah. Well, I Speaker 1: mean Every There is. Intelligence service in the world has its officers in Washington. Speaker 0: Also people who work for the US government who, without any kind of authorization Speaker 1: Sure. Speaker 0: Give highly relevant classified information to foreign governments. Yes. Yeah. I know for a fact, and I know people who've done it, and none of them is in jail. Speaker 1: No. No, none of them. None of them is in jail. Speaker 0: And it's also fair to say the US government is penetrated by foreign actors. Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And it has been for a long time. Speaker 0: Yes, I'm aware. And I don't think anyone goes to jail for that. Speaker 1: No. Right. You know, I tried a couple of times to get a pardon under presidents Obama and Biden, thinking that most of my contacts in the Greek American community had access to those presidents. I was laughed out of the room under Obama, and I knew I would be. Under Biden, there's a Greek Orthodox priest who very generously offered his access to the White House. Speaker 0: That can I just it's just note parenthetically, I don't think there are a lot of Greek liberals left? Speaker 1: No. There aren't. Speaker 0: There used to be. Speaker 1: There used to be. These to be almost all liberals. Yeah. And they've they've all Speaker 0: moved. I've noticed. I don't think I've met a Greek liberal in a long time. Speaker 1: No. They're they're just not out there anymore. Yeah. So he said, look, you know, I've known Biden since the early seventies. I I can help you. And then nothing. And I called him, and I said, father, forgive me for being so blunt, but maybe if I had been, you know, a crackhead relative of the of the president or a Chinese spy or a a judge that sold children into bondage in Pennsylvania, maybe then I would have had a chance. But Joe Biden doesn't want to hear about a case like mine. And the truth is, and I I mentioned this to you yesterday, my support comes exclusively from the Republican Party, the libertarian movement, and the conservative movement, and I embrace it. People like just wild, though. Because they're the ones thinking about civil liberties now. They're the ones thinking about individual freedoms. You know, what's his name? Hakim Jeffries the other day said, Vladimir Putin is an avowed enemy of The United States. No. He's not. That's a neocon position. When did he take a vow? He said he was an avowed m enemy. When did he take a vow that he was gonna be an enemy of The United States? No. Stop trying to to to lie us into a war or trick us into a war, but that's today's Democratic Party. Speaker 0: Oh, I'm aware. It's are you do you think I mean, the kind of casual cruelty and violence in the CIA that you describe, I I haven't seen any meaningful attempt to stop it. Speaker 1: Oh, no. No. No. No. I agree very strongly. Speaker 0: Do you believe that the CIA has hurt other American citizens? Speaker 1: Yes. I'm sure of it. Speaker 0: Yes. What about physically? Speaker 1: Well, there are two very well documented cases where Barack Obama used a drone to murder Anwar Alaki. Yep. And whether you like the man's politics or not, he was an American citizen who had never been charged with a crime. And then a week later, Obama droned his 16 year old son and 14 year old nephew who were sitting in a coffee shop having a cup of tea. Also, American citizens who had never been charged with a crime, and they were children. So, the CIA does all kinds of things like Speaker 0: that. What about domestically? Speaker 1: Well, you know, I keep thinking back to Eric Holder's testimony before the the Senate Armed Services Committee when Rand Paul asked him, does the president have the legal authority to murder an American on US soil? Well, senator, you know, just answer the question. It's a yes or no question. Yes. He has the authority. Now has he done that? We didn't know. But the attorney general of The United States said that the president can murder an American citizen in The United States if the president believes that he presents a clear and present danger to the national security. That's sick. It's Unbelievable. Anti constitutional. Not just unconstitutional. It's anti constitutional. Speaker 0: Do people who work at the CIA have a sense that maybe they're not serving good? Speaker 1: Generally, no. Generally, these are I mean, at the working level, these are hardworking, really smart, patriotic Speaker 0: Some of them are really smart. I can confirm that. Speaker 1: Really smart. At the upper levels, you know, they believe they're the smartest people in the room, They're smarter than whoever happens to be president at any given time. And if they don't like this president, they just wait him out. He'll be gone in four years. They'll still be there in their still senior positions, and they're gonna do exactly what they wanna do. You know, this is why they panicked when Ronald Reagan named an outsider as the deputy director for operations. Speaker 0: Remember? Do I remember? Speaker 1: Yeah. They lost it because they were like, oh my god. Okay. You you appoint your campaign manager, the director. That's one thing. But now operations, you're gonna bring a friend from Wall Street or wherever he was. He was an attorney. Yeah. Speaker 0: Yeah. I would. I think that's when they called in Bob Woodward to to blow them up. Right? The former naval intel officer, Bob Woodward. Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you. Speaker 0: Not not the only time Bob Woodward has been called in by the by the national security state to destroy Speaker 1: Americans. When I was the deputy direct the the executive assistant to the deputy director for operations, I I had just finished writing a cable. I had this lovely private office, and it looked out past the secretary into the hallway. So I finished writing, and I leaned back like this in my chair, and I happened to be looking at the hall, and Bob Woodward walked by. And I said to the secretary, was that Bob Woodward that just walked by the office? And she said, yeah. And I said, without a security escort, like he owns the place. And she said, you didn't see the memo? I said, what memo? She said, George George Tenet. She said, George sent a memo saying that Woodward's writing a book, and we're all ordered to cooperate with him. I said, I'm not talking to Bob Woodward. Speaker 0: I couldn't believe it. He's just a great reporter. Come on, John. He's free to Let's go on shoe leather. He's not. Speaker 1: You're talking about people that have been undercover or deep cover for decades, Speaker 0: and he's just walking the halls. He's not an instrument of the government. He's a he's a counterbalance. He's a check against their overreach. He's Speaker 1: He's a journalist. They're they're gonna run with that. Speaker 0: It's so absurd. I was shocked. What what did you think of Bill Burns? Speaker 1: I wrote an op ed Speaker 0: when Bill Burns was appointed Former ambassador to Russia. Yes. And then up until January, the CAA director. Mhmm. Speaker 1: I said that I disagreed with his position on Russia Speaker 0: Mhmm. Speaker 1: As I think every free thinking American should, but we needed an outsider in that job. Having insiders is a mistake. Speaker 0: Mhmm. Speaker 1: You know, Obama proved that. Having insiders Clinton proved that. It's just a mistake. It's incestuous, and they feed on each other. Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: So you needed an outsider. Bill Burns was one of the most highly respected ambassadors that we had in the State Yes. Speaker 0: That is true. Speaker 1: And I called him the adult in the room. Mhmm. And I thought, you know, if we have to have a Washington insider in that position, he was a good choice. Speaker 0: Yep. That that that sounds right from everything I know about him. When you worked there, did anyone ever talk about the murder of the president in 1963? Speaker 1: Yeah. Oliver Stone and I got into quite a spirited argument about this one time Because I made the mistake of saying that I didn't think we had given enough thought to to the involvement, the possible involvement of Santo Trafficante and and the mob. And he said, oh, you're so full of shit, he says, and he just started yelling at me. I came to my own conclusion. I talked to Bobby Kennedy about this too. Actually, he's the one that pushed me over the edge and and led me to this conclusion. I believe that elements of the CIA were responsible for for the assassination of the president. I don't agree when people say it was a CIA operation because John McCone was the head of the CIA, and he was Bobby Kennedy's best friend. Speaker 0: A name forgotten to history, but yes. Speaker 1: That's right. And a good and decent man. But there were a lot of people, unfortunately, one was a Greek American who Very famously. Very, very famous Greek American. His name does not bear repeating. Who hated John Kennedy for not providing air cover for the Bay Of Pigs Yes. And wanted revenge against Kennedy. And these guys were still in constant touch with the Dulles brothers who were also just dark stains on American history. And so I came to the conclusion that, yeah, there were CIA officers who were responsible for carrying this thing. Speaker 0: Did you think that when you worked there? Speaker 1: No. I didn't. In fact, I thought it was so absurd. I couldn't believe people were even talking about it. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, we're the good guys. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 1: Why would we kill the president? Speaker 0: I thought the same. Why haven't all the files been released? Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know. For for JFK, I think they have been. Speaker 0: No. They have not. Speaker 1: They have not. No. That that frightens me. You know, there were a couple of explosive revelations in the last tranche. The fact that James Angleton, the deputy director for counterintelligence, wanted to recruit to formally recruit Lee Harvey Oswald is exactly the opposite of what the CIA has been telling us for so many years Yes. For for sixty years. Why? If if the Russians came to the conclusion that he was just a nut when he was living in Minsk and didn't want him to come back, why was the CIA involved or interested rather in in recruiting him? What was he doing in Mexico City in October of of nineteen sixty three? He said or not he said, but the the CIA has said over the years that he was there to go to the Cuban and Soviet embassies to try to get visas. Why was he meeting with Americans? And were those American CIA officers? Of course, they were. Why else would he have gone to Mexico City? Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: I'm actually more interested in the RFK and the MLK documents. There is so much that we don't know about those two, especially RFK. They recovered one more bullet than Sirhan Sirhan's gun held. And Speaker 0: Thomas Noguchi And this is confirmed. Speaker 1: Yes. And Thomas Noguchi Speaker 0: Well, then that's kind of case closed, then There it is. Right. I mean, we we don't know what happened. We know the official explanation is untrue. It's untrue. So because it was a revolver. It was a 22 caliber revolver. Correct. It's like a nine shot. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: 20 twos fit a lot in the cylinder. Mhmm. Is that I did not know that. Speaker 1: Yeah. And Thomas Noguchi, the coroner Yeah. Said that the that the death shot came from behind Yep. At an angle from from down on the ground, but Sirhan was in front of him. Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: There was a there was a security guard there who was not associated with the Kennedy campaign or with the Speaker 0: Ambassador Hotel. Speaker 1: Yeah. The Ambassador Hotel named Caesar. Speaker 0: Mhmm. Speaker 1: He was a well known racist and white supremacist. On video, you see him lifting a gun out of his belt, and then you hear bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and he puts it back in the belt. He never got it fully out. In the nineties, the National Geographic Channel tracked him down to Mississippi or Alabama or something, and they interviewed him. And they said, did you shoot Robert Kennedy? And he said, no, I was going to, but that Arab fella got him first. Well, we know that there had to be somebody else in the kitchen at the ambassador, and we know that the shot came from behind. We know that there was a second gun because there were too many bullets. So why hasn't this been released? Speaker 0: Yes. And and it raises the really obvious question, which was I mean, we know Sirhan had a gun Yes. Fired Fired the gun. Was on Yes. Speaker 1: Film. Correct. Speaker 0: Lots of people there, including lots of famous people, Rosie Greer Speaker 1: and Rosie Greer. Speaker 0: Yeah. Right. So Kennedy had just won the California primary. Mhmm. Johnson had announced a few months before that he's not running. Bobby Kennedy clearly is going to be the Democratic nominee. He's murdered that night after his victory speech walking through the kitchen of this now demolished hotel in Los Angeles. Yes. Srhan Srhan, a Christian Palestinian Mhmm. From a very poor family was arrested for it. His apartment is searched, and there are all kinds of papers where he writes, RFK must die, RFK must die, over and over again. What would he has said he's still alive, by the way. Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And still in prison. Speaker 0: Yes, he is. And I mean, that was before I was born, and I'm 56, so it was quite some time ago. What was that? Speaker 1: Well, that's the $64,000 question. Because now there are rumors that when he was at whatever it's called, Los Angeles Community College or whatever the the community college there was, that he may have participated in experiments that fell under a CIA operation then known as MK Ultra. Yes. So what's the truth? Now director director Helms during the Nixon administration or during I guess it was the Ford administration ordered that the MK Ultra documents be destroyed. Speaker 0: Which they were. Speaker 1: Which they were. After being specifically told it's a crime to destroy federal documents. Speaker 0: And they don't belong to you. Speaker 1: Right. Exactly. Speaker 0: Do you think it's and this is a debate about, you know, a lot of different people in Lewis, Drillin, West, and the CIA affiliated psychiatrist. Mhmm. Speaker 1: Right. Speaker 0: Do you think it is possible to get people to commit acts that they wouldn't otherwise commit? Speaker 1: I do. You do? I do. You said Speaker 0: there are lot of shrinks at CIA. Speaker 1: Oh my god. There there are offices where everybody is either a psychiatrist or a psychologist, and they're operational psychiatrists and psychologists. So you take them with you on an operation to consult with them on how do you get this guy to crack. You want him to just lose his mind. What do I need to do to push this guy over the edge? Right? Or what do I need to do to convince this guy to do something that he definitely doesn't want to do? I used those those shrinks on operations. We even hypnotized one guy. He was hypnotized with his arm in the air for two hours. Never saw anything like it in my life. And then when he took him out of the hypnosis, his arm fell down. He looked around. He said, what happened? And then he vomited. I've never seen anything like it in my life. People Did it work? It did work. Yeah. We asked him I'm getting a little off the subject, but we asked him No. Speaker 0: This is definitely a subject. Speaker 1: A political assassination that had taken place that he had claimed to see. So the guy didn't speak any English. So the the shrink is asking questions, and I'm translating the questions as softly and as gently as I can. Speaker 0: Right? Into Arabic. Speaker 1: Yes. And I'm asking, what did you see? Well, the guy had stopped at a mosque, at this little small roadside mosque to relieve himself. So he's behind a tree and a car pulls up, and it's these people who had been identified as the shooters in an assassination that had just taken place. And I said, so describe the guys. And he's describing what they're wearing. And I said, what kind of car are they driving? They're driving a van. I said, does the van have a license plate? He said, yes. I said, can you see the license plate? And he go his eyes are closed. He goes like this. And then he reads off the numbers and letters to me. So I hand it to another officer that was in the room, runs into the next room, does a cable to the country intelligence service, it comes back stolen plates. I said, my god. He he actually did see the plates. The plates were stolen specifically for use in that assassination. Speaker 0: Amazing. Speaker 1: So you can convince people to do things that they otherwise would never Speaker 0: dream of. So mind control is not a sci fi fantasy? No. Speaker 1: No. MK Ultra did far, far more damage caused just grief and misery to hundreds of people, maybe more. And there are subsets like MK Chickwit, there like five or six other sub operations that were part of MK Ultra that that just, you know, caused people to jump out of windows and commit suicide Yeah. Jump off bridges. Speaker 0: Well, the defense secretary did. Speaker 1: Yeah. He did. James Forrestal. Yep. Committed suicide. Speaker 0: Yes, Sure he did. Yeah. Quite that's quite an amazing story. I don't think that's on Wikipedia. No. So but I would encourage people to look into that because that is definitely worth knowing about. Is it possible to infect people with cancer? Speaker 1: Not while I was there. People talked about it a lot, but Speaker 0: They talked about it a lot. Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, do you think it's possible? Can we do it? I mean, you know, if we could do it, what would we do with it? This is something that the that the Venezuelan government and the Cuban government have both accused us of doing. Speaker 0: Oh, yes. Speaker 1: When when I was there Speaker 0: And many governments around the world believe that that is real. Speaker 1: Yeah. Now remember, I I left twenty years ago, so who knows? I don't know. Speaker 0: Is would you describe the CIA as an intelligence gathering agency? Speaker 1: Not anymore. No. It used to be. The the deputy director for whom I worked was very fond of saying, and he used to say this all the time, the job of the CIA is to recruit spies, to steal secrets, and to analyze those secrets so that our policymakers can make the best informed policy. Speaker 0: So I thought that was the whole idea behind creating the agency right there. Speaker 1: Yes. That was it until 09/11, and then it became a paramilitary organization. You know, the director gave a speech the other day in which he said that we need to focus on human source intelligence. True. Every director says that when he becomes the director. But the truth is, what they would rather do is fancy high-tech, you know, science stuff, satellites and drones and, you know, computer intrusions and stuff like that. They're they're not really in the business anymore of recruiting spies to steal secrets. They should be, but they're not. Speaker 0: It's not directly related, but we know because it's public information that somebody bet big against United Airlines and American Airlines Mhmm. Right before 09:11. Mhmm. So people knew it was coming. Now the people who planned it knew it was coming. Yes. Do you think that those bets, those stock bets, shorting those airlines, that Al Qaeda did that? Speaker 1: No. I don't think Al Qaeda did it. I think that Speaker 0: In other words, who else knew it was coming? Speaker 1: I think there were intelligence services out there, foreign intelligence services that knew it was coming, but it was in their interests for The US to be at war. I think that's where this came from. Speaker 0: Did you think that when you worked there? Speaker 1: No. And I'll tell you why. On 07/06/2001, totally normal day, I was entertaining a group of Middle Eastern intelligence officers, which we did every day. They come in, we do a day of briefings, we exchange gifts, they get a photo op with the director, and then we take them out to a family. Speaker 0: This is Ad Langley. Speaker 1: Yes, Ad Langley. So I had this group of Arabs that day, and I had gone to this very young junior analyst on Al Qaeda at the counterterrorism center. And I said, hey. I've got this delegation. Can you come in and give us thirty minutes on Al Qaeda? He said, sure. So it comes time for the briefing, and instead of this junior analyst showing up, Koffer Black shows up with the chief of operations Speaker 0: And who's Koffer Black? Speaker 1: Koffer Black was the director of the CIA's counterterrorism center, later ambassador Koffer Black. He was the special coordinator for counterterrorism at the State Department. Then he went on to Blackwater and and great great wealth. So I jumped up and I said, oh, I said, gentlemen, this is Kopher Black. He's the director of the counterterrorism center, and this is the chief of operations for the Osama bin Laden group called Alex Station. And I mean, I had no idea why somebody as important and as busy as Kofer would come in. He sits down and he says he starts off by saying, something terrible is going to happen. We don't know exactly when or where, but we're hearing communications from Al Qaeda that tell us that something big that we've had we've never seen before is going to happen. We're hearing code words for a huge attack. The honey salesman is coming with vast quantities of honey. There's going to be an enormous wedding. There's going to be a great football match. We're hearing Al Qaeda camp commanders on the phone with their students, and they're crying and saying, I'll see you in paradise. He said, we have no idea when and where this attack is gonna come. He said, I'm begging you If you have any sources inside Al Qaeda, please help us. And they just kind of sat there and, you know, looked at each other, and he got up and he shook their hands and walked out. So at the end of the day, I'm thinking about this all day. At the end of the day, send them back to their hotel. I said, I'll pick you up at the hotel. We'll take you to I'll take you to dinner. But I went back to Kofra's office, and I said, I said, Kofra, I want to thank you for for coming and talking to those guys, but I have to ask, were you serious, or was that for their benefit? And he said, oh, I'm I'm dead serious. Something terrible is gonna happen. And then it happened. On the morning of of September 11, Kofra and I had a meeting scheduled with Condoleezza Rice for the stupidest idea, now in retrospect, the government printing office was going to print a volume of declassified cables called Foreign Policy of The United States, Nineteen Forty Nine to 1967, Greece, Turkey, Cyprus. Nobody's ever gonna read this thing. Right? Speaker 0: Not not one person. No. Even the Cypriots will ignore it. Speaker 1: Not interested. But it mentioned three people who were still alive who had been informants for the CIA. And the law says that if they are outed, we have to offer them resettlement. So rather than go through that whole rigmarole, we made an appointment with Condie to ask her Speaker 0: to National security adviser. Speaker 1: National security adviser, thank you, to just remove those three cables. Nobody's gonna miss them because nobody's ever gonna read this book, but just in case. So I walked over to Koffer's office to tell him that our car was ready Speaker 0: and his secretary Well, you were at Langley that Speaker 1: morning I was. I was there early. And his secretary had a small TV on her desk. You couldn't watch TV on your computer in those days. And I said, what happened to the World Trade Center? And she said, a plane flew in into it. And because I'm an idiot sometimes, I said, you know what? That happened once before. In the nineteen thirties, a plane flew into the Empire State Building, but it was really foggy and raining that day. It's so crystal clear today. How can you not see that you're flying into the World Trade Center? And then the second plane hit. And she turned to me and she said, did you see that or did I imagine it? And I ran back to my office. I said, guys, we're under attack. Two planes just hit both towers of the World Trade Center. We all ran up to the front where Koffer's office was. And you have to imagine this big bullpen where there are maybe 150 or 200 people in in partitioned cubbies, and then there are private offices all around the perimeter. And then there are TVs hanging from the ceiling above Cofer's office on BBC, CNN, Fox, Canal plus RT, from all over the world. And they're all showing the same thing, and there's silence. And then somebody behind me shouts, will somebody please lead? And Kofer said, oh, yes. You. Go to the Director's Office and tell him this. You. Go to security. You. Go to operations. And the rest of us are like, what do you want us to do? Evacuate. Nobody's evacuating. Literally not a single person evacuated. Finally, the the CIA cops came in and said, if you don't evacuate, you'll be you'll be arrested. So we evacuated. I got about halfway home, had to abandon my car, so I started walking. Speaker 0: Why? Speaker 1: It was gridlock like like World War z, like the end of the world. You know? I mean, on on the George Washington Parkway, which is four lanes, it's like twelve twelve cars wide, and everybody's just parked. Speaker 0: That Parkway passes right by the Pentagon. Speaker 1: And that's right. Right by the Pentagon. When I got to the Teddy Roosevelt Bridge, I lived just up from the Teddy Roosevelt Bridge, I saw the deputy national security adviser with no shoes evacuating. And I said to this guy next to me, how could this happen? That's the dash the deputy national security adviser. Yeah. He ran out of the White House without shoes to save himself. I ended up my my my ex wife and I, we climbed to the roof of my building. We we were engaged at the time, and we watched the Pentagon burn for a little while. And finally, I said, this is ridiculous. We we have to get back to work. And so I walked back to my car, drove across the median, went back to CIA, and and stayed there for the next four days. I just slept under the desk hour, two hours at Speaker 0: a fiance also worked at CIA? Mhmm. Speaker 1: She did the same thing. Speaker 0: I mean and then, you know, the world changed, and your life in particular changed. Speaker 1: I could never ever have predicted the changes either for me personally or for the CIA in the country. Speaker 0: So you didn't think is one of the only Arabic speakers at the counterterrorism center at CIA in Langley. Of course, you knew you would play a significant role in Speaker 1: what came Speaker 0: next. I Speaker 1: expected that I would. Speaker 0: And you did, but you never expected you'd go to prison. Speaker 1: Never. Not in a thousand years would I have said, I'll do the prison experience for a little while, see how that works out. Speaker 0: So I just wanna ask you one last question. Of all the things you've said, which I've known you for a while, but I'm and we just had dinner last night, but I'm I'm shocked by some of the things that you have said actually. And I grew up around this stuff, and I'm still shocked. Right. So the story that you told about the fake Japanese diplomat trying to set you up is is is remarkable. That's a remarkable story. Speaker 1: Sick. Speaker 0: It what is sick? It's unbelievable if they would do that to an American citizen, particularly one with a demonstrated record of serving the country at personal risk. So but outrageous side, it does sort of reframe your understanding of how things actually work that happened to you. That's a real thing. Yes. Provable. And you said that it had in fact changed your view of how things actually worked, and you'd you'd reassessed your understanding of things that had happened in American history, and then maybe they're not exactly what they seem to be. That's right. Can you go into a little more depth about what you're thinking now? Speaker 1: The the short version is I have come to believe very strongly that Ronald Reagan was right when he said that government is the problem, it's not the solution to the He was right. He recognized it, and the rest of us failed to see it. So now when I hear about standoffs, let's say, between American citizens and the Bureau of Land Management, for example Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: Or ATF or DEA, I no longer believe what is reported in the media. I no longer believe the strategic leaks that come from whatever bureau or agency to spin the story. I I've gotten to the point where I'm obsessed with doing my own investigations. Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: And I read all source material because the truth has to be out there somewhere. I just feel like I have to put it together for myself. So now when we talk about the Kennedy assassinations or RFK or I mean, or MLK, or as we said earlier, Ruby Ridge or Waco, whatever it is, I I default to doubting the government account. Speaker 0: So you worked for the government during Waco. That was Speaker 1: Mhmm. Speaker 0: My first day working at a newspaper, so I remember the chaos in the newsroom when that happened. So that was '93. Speaker 1: '90 '3. Speaker 0: That must have been the spring of ninety three. Mhmm. Correct. Is that right? Yes. So, boy, over thirty years ago. But you worked for the government then. Speaker 1: I was at the CIA at the time, and it was on every TV in the CIA. And I remember looking at it, not really having an opinion, and my boss saying, well, it's about time they finally moved on that operation. Speaker 0: So what was that? Boy, that's really a forgotten moment in American history. So there was a religious sect known as the Branch Davidians, so that's what we called them. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: A guy called David Koresh. That was his cult name anyway. Right. And they were accused of mistreating children. Yes. Which maybe they were. I have no idea. Speaker 1: Hoarding weapons. Speaker 0: And hoarding, of course, and hoarding weapons, and they were surrounded by federal agents at their compound in Waco, Texas, and that standoff culminated in a shootout in which federal agents were killed. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: And most of the occupants of that compound were burned to death. Mhmm. Speaker 1: I think it was something like 27 of them, and half of them were children. Yeah. Like, young children. Speaker 0: Yeah. I think it was maybe more than 27. Speaker 1: More than 27. Speaker 0: Yeah. It was it was Speaker 1: A lot. Speaker 0: It was awful. But what was it? Was that more than what we were told it was, do you think? Speaker 1: I well, the spin was this was a dangerous lunatic, and he had to be stopped before he used those guns to go out and kill people. The truth of the matter is you're allowed to buy as many guns as you want. Speaker 0: Yeah. I've proven that. Yep. I have. Good. You're not allowed to buy guns because you're a convicted felon. Speaker 1: I'm a convicted felon. Speaker 0: And you've done nothing wrong, I really hope you receive that presidential pardon soon. Speaker 1: Thank you. And and on top of losing my my gun, I lost my pension. The the Obama justice department seized my federal pension. Why? Twenty years of proud service, $770,000. I'm gonna have to work until the day I die. Only a pardon. Could you have Speaker 0: worked at CIA for all those years and not wind up rich? Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Speaker 0: I have to say that is the story that no one ever tells, and I just know it from my just personal life, just living in DC my whole life. They're all rich. Have you noticed this? Speaker 1: They are all rich. Speaker 0: How why are there all these former CIA officers who are rich? Speaker 1: Some of them, excuse me, some of them get enormous book advances. Others make this odd transition into venture capital or consulting or butts in the seats kind of, you know, Booz Allen style firms. A lot of them go overseas and stay overseas, so the CIA pays for everything. The only thing you pay for is your phone bill, and they just invest, invest, invest for thirty years and come out with plenty of money. Speaker 0: I've lived in nice neighborhoods for a long time, and they're always CIA people on Speaker 1: my street. Always. Half of McLean, Virginia is CIA. Yeah. Speaker 0: And the District Of Columbia and Florida, and it's just like like legit rich. Speaker 1: Yeah. Rich. Speaker 0: Is that that's not a good sign, is it? Speaker 1: No. No. It's not a good sign. Because you're not supposed to capitalize on on a position Not Speaker 0: when you have the power of life and death over That's what bothers me. It's not just like people from the labor department or commerce who are like leveraging their skills to riches. It's like people who have information that they're the only ones legally allowed to possess Mhmm. True inside information, and the power to kill people. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: Like, that's one category Speaker 1: With no questions asked. May I add one thing? Yeah. I recently received I recently received an email from someone I'd never heard of, but this is the third such email that I have received, and I wanted to mention it. So of all things, I I received it through eBay. Right? I was selling something on eBay, and somebody saw that because I I'm an open book, so I'm just like John Kiriaku on eBay. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 1: So I I received this thing through eBay, and it says, dear John, it's so nice to finally speak to you. I've been watching your YouTube videos, and I love all the content, and I've been wanting to reach out to you for many years. I'm one of the FBI agents who wants to personally apologize to you for the disgraceful way that the FBI and our federal government treated you. I worked on your case with both heads headquarters and the Washington field office team, and I know many of the personnel that you're familiar with, unfortunately. That case was directed and driven by senior most officials. Many mid level and street personnel were against it, but nevertheless, we just followed orders. Anyway, I've always felt bad about what we did to you and for the way you and your family were treated, and I wanna personally apologize. Speaker 0: Well, God bless that man. Mhmm. Do you think that's real? Speaker 1: Yeah. Yep. Two other FBI agents sent similar emails to my attorneys. They're sorry. They did as they were told. It's nice, but Speaker 0: Do you worry about anything further happening to you? Speaker 1: I did for a long time. Yes. I there were people inside the justice department with whom I was friendly who said, oh, the CIA's really mad that you only did twenty three months. Like, they really wanted you to die in there. So be on your best behavior because they're watching everything you do. And then that wore off about two years out of prison. I didn't see the surveillance anymore, never got any funny emails. As soon as I got home, I was home for a couple of days from prison, and I got an email from a guy who claimed to be an attorney saying he had some classified information that showed a crime, and he wanted to send it to me. And I said, don't you dare. I don't want any classified information. Call the FBI and give it to them. But I figured it's just some nut trying to set me up. So anytime I had a question, I would just call the lawyers, refer people to the lawyers, and then it ended up just going away after a while. Speaker 0: So the story that you just told over the last couple of hours is very distressing Yeah. To hear as someone who grew up in this country, believes in the country, loves the country. I can't even imagine what it must be like to be you, and yet you tell it complete without bitterness and no self pity whatsoever. How have you been able to maintain emotional equilibrium, wisdom, perspective, and peace in the middle of everything you've been through? Speaker 1: Thank you for asking that. When I was in prison, I read constantly, including biographies of Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. And I thought, wow. What these guys went through? And they just forgave over and over. Nelson Mandela especially, the way he was treated and kept in solitary confinement on on Robin Island, and and he forgave. And then there was a biography of a twentieth century Greek Orthodox saint saint called Saint Nectarios, Nectarios of Aegina, and he had been the Greek Orthodox bishop of Alexandria, Egypt, and other priests who were jealous of his rapid rise accused him of having an affair with a nun, and so he was stripped of his office. He never attained high office again, but he forgave everybody for what they had done to Speaker 0: him. And he hadn't done it. Speaker 1: No. He hadn't done anything. And I thought, you know what? These people went through so much more than I did. It was so much worse for them. And I've become friendly with one of the former prisoners at Guantanamo, Muhammadu Uldslahi. The CIA kidnapped Muhammadu from Mauritania while he was attending his cousin's wedding. We tortured him mercilessly for fourteen years. Speaker 0: Fourteen years? Mhmm. And then Speaker 1: we decided, wrong guy. Let him go. Speaker 0: Actually? Mhmm. Speaker 1: Yeah. Which happens with more frequency than you might think. And so when he got out, he went on to Twitter, and I tweeted at him. And I said, Muhammadu, you don't know me, but my government will never apologize for what it did to you, so I want to apologize. I am so sorry for what happened over the last fourteen years. And his attorney called me and said, would you be interested in a conversation? I said, absolutely. We've been friends ever since. He actually lectures to my my grad school class at the University of Salamanca. He comes on Zoom. The the poor guy couldn't go back to Mauritania. He was afraid they'd kill him. No country wanted him because he had been in Guantanamo for fourteen years. Finally, the Dutch said, we'll give you citizenship. And so he has gotten married, he has children, he got an education, living happily ever after in in The Netherlands, and zero bitterness. And I said to him one day, he said to me in front of my class what you just said, you're not bitter at all for what and I said, me? I said, you. You're like Mandela. How can you not be bitter after what we did to you fourteen years? I was 23. And he said, what would bitterness accomplish? Nothing. He said, bitterness would put me right back into that cage, and I don't wanna live in there. So that's the position that I've come to take. Speaker 0: There's a very that's that's a rational explanation of it, and I think I think it makes total sense. I think it's true. But forgiving people is kind of the next step, which you've also done, and I like, what's the purpose of that? Speaker 1: I've forgiven for myself. I'm sure that John Brennan doesn't give two shits if John Kiriakou forgives him, but I feel better having that monkey off my back. Yes. So I did it for myself. I don't care what John Brennan's feelings are. Speaker 0: And John Brennan, as you described, is a grudge holder. He's the opposite. Speaker 1: Oh, yes. He is. Speaker 0: And a prisoner of that. Yes. John, I really appreciate all the time that you've taken to tell your story. Speaker 1: I appreciate you giving me the opportunity. Speaker 0: And I hope that you are vindicated in the Thank you. To the fullest extent. Speaker 1: Thank you very, Speaker 0: very much. Back. Thank you. Truth telling should be rewarded, not Speaker 1: It should be. You know, like I said, I'm I'm very, very fortunate, blessed to have the support of people like you and doctor Phil and Bruce Fine and Brett Tollman and Doug Deason and and people who understand the import, not not just to me, but the import to all Americans of protecting our civil liberties from a government out of control. We have to make sure that we never go back there. Speaker 0: You have to reward the truth and punish lies. And if you invert that, then it's a system you can't live under. Speaker 1: That's right. Speaker 0: Because it's evil. Speaker 1: It is. It's evil. John, thank you. Thank you very much.
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SOLDIER HAS THE COURAGE TO TELL WHAT BIDEN DID TO THE MILITARY. 💥 KABOOM 💥 HE SAYS BIDEN WILL ANSWER TO GOD. https://t.co/ecK1TRg9hL

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Chief Warrant Officer 2 Duncan Jesse Searcy claims whistleblower status under "title 10 US code ten thirty four" and addresses Congress. He says he submitted an inspector general complaint and attempted resolution through Rep. Burgess Owens, but "lost faith in my entire chain of command," naming "adjutant general Boyak" who "has lied on an official memorandum" to the congressman, and "Governor Cox" who "signed off on the COVID nineteen policies in 2021" now accused of election interference by Phil Lyman. He joined the military in 2017 as an "Apache pilot" for the Utah Army National Guard and deployed to Afghanistan in 2020. After returning, soldiers were ordered to take an EUA COVID nineteen vaccine; he "refused the order" because "mandating experimental treatments goes against title 10 US code 11 o seven." They allegedly coerced him; in April 2021 he was grounded, pay and benefits were cut, and he faced financial hardship, dropping out of university and undergoing separation and divorce. He calls for peaceful renewal and ends with the oath: "I, chief warrant officer two Duncan Jesse Searcy, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of The United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God. Amen."
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Speaker 0: I am chief foreign officer to Duncan j Circe. The intended audience of this video is congress, and I claim whistleblower status in accordance with title 10 US code ten thirty four. I understand that making this video in my uniform is a very serious decision. For the past four years, I have tried to rectify my situation the correct way through my chain of command. I have submitted an inspector general complaint. I have attempted resolution through my congressman Burgess Owens. I have lost faith in my entire chain of command, including the adjutant general Boyak, who has lied on an official memorandum sent to my congressman. My commander in chief, governor Cox, who signed off on the COVID nineteen policies in 2021 for which my career is being destroyed, currently stands accused of election interference by his opponent, Phil Lyman. This video is not intended to be insubordinate, but I am demanding accountability from my leaders. I joined the military in 2017 and became an Apache pilot for the Utah Army National Guard. I deployed with my unit to Afghanistan in 2020. Shortly after returning home, all soldiers in the military were ordered to take an EUA COVID nineteen vaccine. As mandating experimental treatments goes against title 10 US code 11 o seven, I simply refused the order. They attempted coercion, bribery, and threats to try to get me to take it. In April 2021, I was grounded and no longer allowed to fly. I also refused to participate in the EUA COVID nineteen testing, so then they shut off my pay and took away my benefits. I was required to miss my civilian employment and drill with my unit with no pay on multiple occasions as ordered by colonel Noe Vasquez, which caused me even greater financial hardship. I defaulted on my military retirement loan because I no longer had the funds to pay what I owed. I was forced to drop out of my local university where I was studying to become a pilot for the airlines because they turned off my educational benefits. Around this time, I was also going through a devastating separation and divorce with my spouse. My mental health and finances were a mess, and I was forced to move myself and my two small children into my parents' unfinished basement where we still reside today. At a time when I needed my brotherhood for support, I was ostracized, labeled, and discarded. And no, I'm not starting a GoFundMe. My pride doesn't allow for me to accept charity. I will make my own way. What I want is a pound of flesh. I want accountability. The vaccine mandate for military members was correctly rescinded, and because they could no longer kick me out of the military for that, they shifted their focus to kick me out for mental health issues instead. But my individual situation within the military is just a small symptom of a big sickness that affects all of us. We are currently ruled by a Personally, I am fed up, and I'm asking my people, the American people, to rise up with me within the bounds of the law and take back our country, our security, our economy, and our American dream. And if our politicians stand in our way, we will remove them and elect new ones to fight for us. The answer is not murdering CEOs on the street. Our system may be broken, but it can be rebuilt peacefully if we work together. Your party cannot save you. Both sides are used by this elite class. We should all brace for terror attacks, mass shootings, technology failure, and economic collapse. The ruling class will not go down without playing every card they have left in their arsenal to retain control. I want to close with a special message to my brothers and sisters in arms. I am disappointed in you. And remember, just because I speak sharp words against you, it does not mean that I do not love you. Ninety six percent of you participated in the EUA COVID vaccine, and I know less than half of you did it willingly. They lied to you. They threatened you. They coerced you. None of you got an FDA approved vaccine in 2021. It did not exist. And for that, you should be furious. I'll agree with you that this is a situation that your leaders never should have put you in. You were just trying to be a good soldier and follow orders. But there is a powerful quote from the movie kingdom of heaven that I love. King Baldwin says, remember that even when those who move you be kings or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, but I was told by others to do thus, or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that. Your oath is to the constitution of The United States Of America, the law of the land. You swore that oath to God, so you will answer to him for it. I am challenging all of you to renew your oath and post it to social media. It requires courage to stand when asked, so please allow me to read a scripture over you for courage, and then I will close with my oath. Behold, God is my salvation. I will trust and not be afraid. For the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song. He also is become my salvation. I, chief warrant officer two Duncan Jesse Searcy, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of The United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God. Amen.
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