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TheIntelFrog
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 2:11 AM
Saved - February 22, 2025 at 3:13 PM
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An aircraft emergency has closed Reagan National Airport after a small plane, American Airlines Flight 5342, collided midair with a US Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter. The plane crashed into the Potomac River, with no survivors among the 67 people involved. Rescue operations are ongoing, and the FAA and NTSB are investigating. The airport will remain closed until at least 11:00 AM. Initial reports indicate that air traffic control staffing was not normal at the time of the incident. Further updates will follow as the investigation progresses.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

An "aircraft emergency" has Reagan National Airport (DCA) in Washington D.C. closed as of 0155z. Will update this thread with more details as we find out. 1/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

US Park Police's N11PP as EAGLE1 is circling just off the end of one of the runways, and an airport operations vehicle, OPS 3, is parked at the end of the runway. 2/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

DC FEMS confirms a small plane has gone into the Potomac River. Unknown if it came from the airport or if this is the reason the airport is closed. 3/

@dcfireems - DC Fire and EMS Department

Confirmed small aircraft down in Potomac River vicinity Reagan National Airport. Fireboats on scene. #DCsBravest

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

From reviewing playback on @ADSBex it appears that JIA5342, operated by PSA Airlines (regional carrier for American Airlines) collided midair with PAT25. PAT25 is possibly a US Army aircraft. 4/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Possible video of the incident from an area tower cam. 5/

@aletweetsnews - Alejandro Alvarez

Webcam at the Kennedy Center caught an explosion mid-air across the Potomac.

@STATter911 - Dave Statter

BREAKING: There is a significant response from fire, EMS, and police for an aircraft reported down in the Potomac River near Reagan National Airport. Initial reports of a possible midair collision. Victims have been found by one of the rescue boats. @ARLnowDOTcom

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Current look at aerial activity over the scene. N911DC is the DC Metro Police Department's helicopter N11PP is the US Park Police's helicopter 6/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Listening to the radio traffic on @liveatc, JIA5342 as BLUESTREAK5342 was directed to runway 33 and cleared to land. US Army Helicopter PAT25 was last asked if they had a Cherokee in sight. Per ADSB playback the accident happened at approximately 01:48:10z. 7/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

It does not appear that JIA5342 made it to the runway. 8/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

JIA5342 was a regularly scheduled service between Wichita, KS and Reagan National Airport in Washington D.C. It's a CRJ701-ER which has a maximum capacity of 70 passengers. 9/

@sentdefender - OSINTdefender

Reports are suggesting that the Aircraft involved in the Crash at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, is PSA Airlines Flight 5342, a Canadair Regional Jet CRJ-700 operated by PSA, a Regional Airline operated by American. The Flight was landing at the Airport, after flying from Dwight D. Eisenhower National Airport in Wichita, Kansas. Up to 60 Passengers are said to have been onboard the Aircraft.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Confirmation from American Airlines it was a regional subsidiary aircraft involved in the crash. 10/

@AmericanAir - americanair

We’re aware of reports that American Eagle flight 5342, operated by PSA, with service from Wichita, Kansas (ICT) to Washington Reagan National Airport (DCA) has been involved in an incident. We will provide information as it becomes available.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Media reports confirm 64 souls on board the CRJ-700. Unknown who/what was on the US Army UH-60. 11/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Correcting a previous post, the radio traffic to the blackhawk was "do you have the CRJ in sight" and was told to go behind the CRJ, to which PAT25 advises "in sight...visual separation." 12/

@NOVAScanner - NOVA Scanner Updates

Audio between PAT25 and DCA tower asking if they have the CRJ in sight. Affirms and requests visual separation.

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Speaker 0: Copy. At 2500 g in flight. At 2500 g. This cloud has a aircraft inside. Separate. 472, Washington Tower 1 Star 3 2 0 1 7. 4 7 2 American 30 1 30, go around turn left in 250. Climb maintain 3,000.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Media reports confirm 3 souls on board the US Army UH-60 Blackhawk for a total of 67 souls involved in this accident. 13/

@NatashaBertrand - Natasha Bertrand

3 US Army soldiers were on board the Blackhawk, no senior US government officials, per US Army official.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Several helicopters still ovehead of the accident site. N22PP US Park Police EAGLE2 N913PG as GARDNR3 Prince Georges County, MD N191NR MD Natural Resources Dept. 14/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

American Airlines has setup a hotline for families of the passengers on board the CRJ. 15/

@BNODesk - BNO News Live

If you believe a loved one may have been on board American Airlines Flight 5342, the airline has opened a hotline: 800-679-8215

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

US Army confirms it was a US Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter that was involved in the crash. It appeared to have come from the Langley, VA area and may have been returning to Fort Belvoir, VA. 16/

@ByChrisGordon - Chris Gordon

Army statement: “We can confirm that the aircraft involved in tonight’s incident was an Army UH-60 helicopter out of Fort Belvoir, Virginia. We are working with local officials and will provide additional information once it becomes available.”

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Ronald Reagan National Airport is CLOSED until at at least 1000z. 17/

@sentdefender - OSINTdefender

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has stated that Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport will be closed until at least 5:00am on Friday.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

The UH-60 was taking part in a training mission per DoD. 18/

@sentdefender - OSINTdefender

The Joint Task Force-National Capital Region (JTF-NCR) states that the UH-60 “Black Hawk” Helicopter which crashed earlier at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, was with the 12th Aviation Battalion and was taking part in a Training Exercise at the time of the Crash.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

19/

@AZ_Intel_ - AZ Intel

Photo: Helicopter images of rescue boats surrounding crumpled fuselage section from American Airlines Flight 5342, which crashed in Potomac River after colliding with Black Hawk Helicopter.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Press conference with officials is expected to start soon at 0630z. 20/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

21/

@rawsalerts - R A W S A L E R T S

🚨#BREAKING: New images are being released showing helicopter shots of rescue boats surrounding a crumpled fuselage section from AA Flight 5342 floating in the Potomac river or it could also be a section of the UH-60 helicopter also but hard to tell at this time

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Press conference has begun at 0654z. Per Mayor Bowser: - A passenger plane collided with a military helicopter. - Fire departments from throughout the region are executing a rescue operation. - We expect to have another briefing at daylight. 22/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Per Chief John Donnelly: - 300 responders on scene conducting rescue operations. - Operating under a unified command. - Highly complex operation, water is rough and it is windy. 23/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

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@sentdefender - OSINTdefender

Wreckage from PSA Airlines Flight 5342, the Canadair Regional Jet CRJ-700 which crashed earlier tonight in the Potomac River while landing at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in D.C. @andyharnik

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

DCA airport will be closed until at least 1100L tomorrow. No impact at Dulles or Baltimore-Washington airports. Per Airport Management. 25/

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

There are no survivors. 26/

@ABC - ABC News

BREAKING: "At this point we don't believe there are any survivors from this accident." No survivors are expected from the midair collision between a passenger plane and a military helicopter, the D.C. Fire and EMS chief said. Follow live updates: https://abcnews.link/sXFfaNz

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We are transitioning from a rescue to a recovery operation. We no longer believe there are any survivors from the accident. So far, we've recovered 27 people from the plane and one from the helicopter.
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Speaker 0: Despite all those efforts, we are now at a point where we are switching from a rescue operation to a recovery operation. At this point, we don't believe there are any survivors from this accident, and we have recovered 27 people from the plane and one from the helicopter.
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@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

Updated statement from the US Army. 27/

@ByChrisGordon - Chris Gordon

Updated Army statement: “‘Our deepest condolences go out to all the families and friends impacted during this tragedy, and we will support them through this difficult time. Our top priority is to assist in the recovery efforts, while fully cooperating with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and other investigative agencies to determine the cause of this tragic incident,’ said Maj. Gen. Trevor J. Bredenkamp, commander Joint Task Force – National Capital Region/ U.S. Army Military District of Washington.   ‘While the investigation is ongoing, we are committed to transparency and will share accurate updates as soon as they become available,’ said Bredenkamp.   While performing a training mission a United States Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter from the 12th Aviation Battalion, at Davison Army Airfield, Fort Belvoir, Va., collided in midair with an American Airlines Bombardier CRJ700 regional jet Flight 5342 last night at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. The FAA, NTSB and the United States Army will investigate. The NTSB will lead the investigation. We are working with local officials and will provide any additional information once it becomes available.” - Ron McLendon II, Deputy Director, JTF-NCR/USAMDW Public Affairs

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

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@sentdefender - OSINTdefender

According to an Initial Report today from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), staffing for the Air Traffic Control Tower at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport was “not normal” when last night’s Mid-Air Collision between a Passenger Airliner and a U.S. Army “Black Hawk” Helicopter occurred; with a single Controller dealing with both Helicopter and Planes, which is something usually done by two separate Controllers.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

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@NTSB_Newsroom - NTSB Newsroom

NTSB investigators recovered the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder from the Bombardier CRJ700 airplane involved in yesterday’s mid-air collision at DCA. The recorders are at the NTSB labs for evaluation.

@TheIntelFrog - TheIntelFrog

30/ Updates from today’s NTSB briefing.

@flightradar24 - Flightradar24

Full summary of 1 February NTSB briefing on the Washington DC crash is posted at https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/psa-airlines-crj-700-collides-with-us-military-helicopter-in-washington-dc/ Many updates today, but main points: · ADS-B & FDR data indicates the CRJ was at 325 feet ± 25 feet at time of crash · Helicopter recorder not yet read due to water intrusion · Initial evidence shows cab controller screen may have shown helicopter at 200 ft. NTSB seeking confirmation. · CVR data indicates CRJ crew had a audible reaction prior to collision and FDR data indicates a pitch up just before crash

PSA Airlines CRJ-700 collides with US military helicopter in Washington DC | Flightradar24 Blog A PSA Airlines CRJ-700 collided with US military H60 helicopter in Washington DC as it was attempting to land at Washington Reagan Airport. flightradar24.com
flightradar24
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 2:11 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 8:31 AM
reSee.it AI Summary
There was an incident at DCA airport in Washington, leading to the airfield's closure. ATC audio revealed a collision between a CRJ and a helicopter over the Potomac River, with the aircraft identified as AA5342 operated by PSA Airlines for American Airlines. More details to come.

@flightradar24 - Flightradar24

There has been an incident at DCA airport in Washington. The airfield is currently closed until further notice. We will share more details as we learn them. https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/dca

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@flightradar24 - Flightradar24

ATC audio captured by @liveatc notes a collision between a CRJ and a helicopter over the Potomac River. The aircraft fitting the description at that time is #AA5342 operated by PSA Airlines for American Airlines. https://www.flightradar24.com/2025-01-30/01:48/1x/JIA5342/38ecc36f

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joeyshep11
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 2:16 AM
Saved - February 22, 2025 at 3:43 PM

@joeyshep11 - joey shep

@TheIntelFrog American airlines JIA5342 and US military PAT25 cross paths at similar altitude. Hope I'm wrong 😞 https://t.co/P7IK6Q4YdA

bricaul
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 2:29 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 2:46 PM
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I recorded the approach of American Airlines flight 5342, which seemed to sidestep to runway 13 and collided with a helicopter near the Potomac. The east bank is a known helicopter route, mainly for police and military use. A webcam captured an explosion mid-air, and initial reports indicate that PSA Airlines 5342 collided with an Army transport helicopter. I also have audio from the DCA tower during the incident, where traffic advisories were given. A detailed thread discusses the helicopter's tracking and its visibility on the PSA's traffic screen.

@bricaul - Brian McGuigan

.@flightradar24 recording as #AA5342 approached. Looks like another American flight was just ahead of them on final to runway 1. Possible 5342 sidestepped to runway 13, got low, and collided with a helicopter flying low on the east bank of the Potomac. The helicopter is not on ADSB.

@bricaul - Brian McGuigan

It is worth noting that – without casting any blame – the east bank of the Potomac is a published helicopter route that is generally only used by police and military helicopters given the restricted airspace. Not an unusual location for a police helicopter to be.

@bricaul - Brian McGuigan

@aletweetsnews - Alejandro Alvarez

Webcam at the Kennedy Center caught an explosion mid-air across the Potomac.

@bricaul - Brian McGuigan

@airplaneian - Ian Servin || @airplaneian.com on Bluesky

From initial information appears PSA Airlines 5342, a CRJ 700 collided with PAT25, an Army transport helicopter on the approach end of runway 33 at DCA, Reagan National Airport iirc the PAT helos are gold top UH-60s used for VIP transport ADS-B tracks: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae313d,a97753

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@bricaul - Brian McGuigan

I have DCA tower audio from the time of the #AA5342 incident. Hear 5342 check in and tower call out a traffic advisory to PAT25. Link below if you want to take a listen, but believe one of the impacted aircraft taps their mic at the time of the incident, so beware. https://drive.google.com/file/d/19E15JPah72EquQDlpyEJWctxJnPTY3kH/view?usp=sharing

@bricaul - Brian McGuigan

Really good thread on PAT25 broadcasting and 5342’s TCAS.

@MaxTrescott - Max Trescott

1/4 ADSBexchange CEO said via email that helicopter data was obtained through their volunteer network of Mode S receivers. They use multilateration to triangulate its approximate position. So helicopter was squawking Mode S and should have appeared on the PSA's traffic screen...

ADSBex
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 2:40 AM
Saved - February 23, 2025 at 7:13 PM

@ADSBex - ADSBexchange

Following developments of what appears to be a collision between a CRJ arriving from Wichita and a military VIP transport helicopter just east of DCA. The military aircraft was not broadcasting ADSB. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae313d,a97753&lat=38.851&lon=-77.036&zoom=13.4&showTrace=2025-01-30&trackLabels

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WayneTechSPFX
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 3:00 AM
Saved - June 9, 2025 at 1:14 AM
reSee.it AI Summary
An airplane crashed into a helicopter over Reagan National Airport, with rescue teams searching the Potomac River for survivors. The involved aircraft was American Airlines Flight 5342 from Wichita. Flight data remains unconfirmed regarding passenger numbers. The helicopter, a military VIP transport, was not broadcasting its transponder. New dashcam footage has emerged, and the NTSB has dispatched a team to investigate. The plane was discovered in pieces, and the helicopter was found upside-down. So far, 19 bodies have been recovered, with no survivors.

@WayneTechSPFX - WayneTech SPFX®️

AIRPLANE OPS: MASS CASUALTY EVENT: 🚨An airplane crashed into a helicopter over the Reagan National Airport in DC. The impact was caught on tower cam Search & Rescue teams are searching the Potomac River for survivors. Developing... https://t.co/9X9kNZH1Mn

@WayneTechSPFX - WayneTech SPFX®️

UPDATE: American Airlines Flight 5342 From Wichita, Kansas Inbound To Reagan National was the plane involved that crashed into a government helicopter.

@WayneTechSPFX - WayneTech SPFX®️

Flight data: No confirmation on how many were on the plane as of yet. https://t.co/NihfSdRJry

@WayneTechSPFX - WayneTech SPFX®️

According to the official ADSB Exchange. The heli wasn't broadcasting ADSB. That means its transponder wasn't on. ADSB: "Following developments of what appears to be a collision between a CRJ arriving from Wichita and a military VIP transport helicopter just east of DCA. The military aircraft was not broadcasting ADSB." The heli was triangulated via MLAT but not ADSB. I'm a paid subscriber to them. I trust 100% of what they say. It all checks out.

@WayneTechSPFX - WayneTech SPFX®️

UPDATE: New dashcam footage captured by a couple driving near Reagan. https://t.co/Pjb0AaMuyx

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@WayneTechSPFX - WayneTech SPFX®️

UPDATE: NTSB has launched a go-team to the aviation accident involving a PSA Airlines Bombardier CRJ700 airplane and a Sikorsky H-60 military helicopter near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.

@WayneTechSPFX - WayneTech SPFX®️

UPDATE: The plane was found in the river in pieces. The Black Hawk helicopter was found upside-down at the bottom of the Potomic River. -CBS 19 bodies have been recovered so far. No survivors have been found as of yet. President Trump took to Truth to issue a response: https://t.co/PskwgxMVmy

kardashevmaxi
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 3:08 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 3:33 PM

@kardashevmaxi - Kardashev Enjoyooor

@flightradar24 @liveatc ADSB replay https://t.co/ez6FOYlukk

ClayTravis
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 3:10 AM
Saved - March 18, 2025 at 8:05 AM

@ClayTravis - Clay Travis

Helicopter and plane crash in DC. Video here. Pilots can respond, but how is this possible? https://t.co/OiTsLCDWJa

Marteljr
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 3:27 AM
Saved - April 29, 2025 at 8:55 PM

@Marteljr - Ray Martel

Here is a track of the helicopter from VA that would eventually crash into the CRJ at National Airport. Terrible accident. Helicopter came from Langley area. #planecrash https://t.co/NEBFzMG1SN

newsmidlee
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 4:50 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 11:42 PM

@newsmidlee - MIDDLE EAST NEWS

BREAKİNG The CA is “Collision Alert” which is not imminent collision, rather a tool used to bring extra attention from the Air Traffic Controllers. #DC @avgeekjake 🎥 https://t.co/USckqBUt8F

rawsalerts
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 4:52 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 6:48 AM
reSee.it AI Summary
I received an anonymous tip about official Air Traffic Control radar footage showing a Collision Alert. This alert isn't for an imminent collision but highlights potential risks for controllers. The playback reveals the critical moment of the aircraft collision, showcasing the urgency of the controllers' decisions. The radar data offers a detailed look at the events leading up to the crash, providing valuable insights into the sequence of actions and how the situation unfolded.

@rawsalerts - R A W S A L E R T S

🚨#BREAKING: Shared to me anonymously shows the Playback from official Air Traffic Control radar 📌#Washington | #DC Watch as exclusive playback, sent anonymously by @avgeekjake to Rawsalerst, reveals official Air Traffic Control radar footage displaying the Collision Alert. This alert is not for an imminent collision but serves as a tool to draw heightened attention from the controllers to potential risks. The footage then captures the critical moment when both aircraft collided, emphasizing the urgency of the controllers' split-second decisions. The radar data provides a detailed view of the events leading up to the crash, offering valuable insight into the sequence of actions and how the situation ultimately unfolded

clashreport
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 5:01 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 6:51 AM

@clashreport - Clash Report

Official Air Traffic Control radar captures today’s collision near Washington, DC between a passenger aircraft and a US Army Black Hawk helicopter. CA (Collision Alert) signals heightened ATC attention, not imminent impact. Source: @avgeekjake https://t.co/Tg2er8s36p

texan_angler
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 5:01 AM
Saved - February 21, 2025 at 3:37 PM
reSee.it AI Summary
I shared audio from the ATC during the DC plane crash, where they asked the Blackhawk PAT25 about the American Airlines CRJ-700. Shortly after, the two planes collided and crashed into the Potomac River, with audible gasps from the control tower. Thanks to @liveatc for the audio.

@texan_angler - Texan Angler

Audio of ATC (air traffic control) from the DC #planecrash can be heard asking the Blackhawk PAT25 if it has the American Airlines CRJ-700 in sight. Moments later the two aircraft collide and crash into the Potomac river - audible gasps can be heard in the control tower. https://t.co/t29xmcfSV4

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Okay, here's your day in flight. We're looking at seat 25G and 25F on the CRJ. This flight's aircraft is 4702. Contact Washington Tower, one star, 32017. 4702. American 3013, we're going around at 250, climb and maintain 3,000 feet.
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Speaker 0: That's 25G. This is your day in flight. That's 25F on the CRJ. This flight has a aircraft. 4 70 2, Washington Tower 1 Star 3 2 0 1 7. 4 7 2. American 30 1 30, go around 2 5 0, climb maintain 3,000.

@texan_angler - Texan Angler

Audio courtesy of the fine folks at @liveatc

Jes_J_Bel
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 5:22 AM
Saved - February 23, 2025 at 7:49 PM

@Jes_J_Bel - Jes_J_Bel

@DraftDonks Listen to this; the Blackhawk pilot said to air traffic control "there's an aircraft in sight, visual separation." Means he saw it and flew straight into it, sure feels like a suicidal act of mass murder to me. https://t.co/qzZ4p6JXUR

@texan_angler - Texan Angler

Audio of ATC (air traffic control) from the DC #planecrash can be heard asking the Blackhawk PAT25 if it has the American Airlines CRJ-700 in sight. Moments later the two aircraft collide and crash into the Potomac river - audible gasps can be heard in the control tower. https://t.co/t29xmcfSV4

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25G, this is your day in flight. That's 25F on the CRJ. This flight has aircraft 4702, Washington Tower 1 Star 32017. 4702. American 30130, go around 250, climb and maintain 3,000.
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Speaker 0: That's 25G. This is your day in flight. That's 25F on the CRJ. This flight has a aircraft. 4 70 2, Washington Tower 1 Star 3 2 0 1 7. 4 7 2. American 30 1 30, go around 2 5 0, climb maintain 3,000.
Bubblebathgirl
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 5:37 AM
Saved - February 21, 2025 at 12:31 AM

@Bubblebathgirl - Paul A. Szypula 🇺🇸

DC crash official Air Traffic Control radar data playback. Shows the fateful final path. https://t.co/EpvDC28mVO

Raptorzs1
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 5:39 AM
Saved - January 31, 2025 at 1:09 AM
reSee.it AI Summary
I noticed that the CRJ700 was approaching runway 33, following the GPS approach plate for that corridor. While I don't have all the details yet, I'm intrigued about the helicopter's presence in that area, as most airlines adhere strictly to their approach procedures.

@Raptorzs1 - Raptorzs

To put things into perspective. It appears that the CRJ700 was on approach to runway 33. This is the gps approach plate for that runway. This is the path fixed wing aircraft have to follow in order to get into that airport. IE the approach corridor. Keep in mind I don’t have all the facts yet but I am curious to see what the helicopter was doing there… Most airlines stick to following the arrivals and approach plates for every flight.

Brookltnwilliw
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 6:03 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 6:57 AM
reSee.it AI Summary
I received an anonymous tip about an exclusive playback of official Air Traffic Control radar footage showing a Collision Alert. This alert is intended to heighten awareness among controllers regarding potential risks, not to indicate an imminent collision. The footage captures the critical moment of the aircraft collision, highlighting the urgency of the controllers' decisions. The radar data provides a detailed view of the events leading up to the crash, offering valuable insights into the sequence of actions that unfolded.

@Brookltnwilliw - Ultra MagaBA🇺🇸

https://t.co/Bx36tgxPye x.com/rawsalerts/sta… 🚨#BREAKING: Shared to me anonymously shows the Playback from official Air Traffic Control radar 📌#Washington | #DC Watch as exclusive playback, sent anonymously by @avgeekjake to Rawsalerst, reveals official Air Traffic Control radar footage displaying the Collision Alert. This alert is not for an imminent collision but serves as a tool to draw heightened attention from the controllers to potential risks. The footage then captures the critical moment when both aircraft collided, emphasizing the urgency of the controllers' split-second decisions. The radar data provides a detailed view of the events leading up to the crash, offering valuable insight into the sequence of actions and how the situation ultimately unfolded. 🔥This sure looks like a terrorist attack🔥

flight5342
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 6:19 AM
Saved - January 31, 2025 at 2:45 PM

@flight5342 - Flight 5342

🚨#BREAKING: Shared to me anonymously shows the Playback from official Air Traffic Control radar 📌#Washington | #DC Watch as exclusive playback, sent anonymously by @avgeekjake to Rawsalerst, reveals official Air Traffic Control radar footage displaying the Collision Alert. https://t.co/JuFNYDkc3v

Ttrafiicckaza
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 6:39 AM
Saved - January 31, 2025 at 2:27 PM

@Ttrafiicckaza - Trafficc

Official Air Traffic Control radar captures today's collision near Washington, DC between a passenger aircraft and a US Army Black Hawk helicopter. CA (Collision Alert) signals increased ATC attention, not imminent impact. Source: @avgeekjake https://t.co/CzxjefQyA1

westerns1978
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 7:33 AM
Saved - January 30, 2025 at 2:57 PM

@westerns1978 - Dan Western

🚨#BREAKING: Shared to me anonymously shows the Playback from official Air Traffic Control radar #Washington | #DC Watch as exclusive playback, sent anonymously by @avgeekjake to @Rawsalerst reveals official Air Traffic Control radar footage displaying the Collision Alert. https://t.co/0tA2lR4HHV

@rawsalerts - R A W S A L E R T S

🚨#BREAKING: Shared to me anonymously shows the Playback from official Air Traffic Control radar 📌#Washington | #DC Watch as exclusive playback, sent anonymously by @avgeekjake to Rawsalerst, reveals official Air Traffic Control radar footage displaying the Collision Alert. This alert is not for an imminent collision but serves as a tool to draw heightened attention from the controllers to potential risks. The footage then captures the critical moment when both aircraft collided, emphasizing the urgency of the controllers' split-second decisions. The radar data provides a detailed view of the events leading up to the crash, offering valuable insight into the sequence of actions and how the situation ultimately unfolded

rawsalerts
Posted - January 30, 2025 at 4:52 AM
Saved - February 1, 2025 at 2:49 PM
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An anonymous source shared playback footage from official Air Traffic Control radar, revealing a Collision Alert in Washington, D.C. The alert aimed to heighten controllers' awareness of potential risks, leading up to a critical moment when two aircraft collided. The radar data illustrates the sequence of events and the urgency of the controllers' decisions. In response, one user noted erratic flying behavior, while another criticized the pilot for getting too close to other planes, suggesting dangerous maneuvers were involved.

@rawsalerts - R A W S A L E R T S

🚨#BREAKING: Shared to me anonymously shows the Playback from official Air Traffic Control radar 📌#Washington | #DC Watch as exclusive playback, sent anonymously by @avgeekjake to Rawsalerst, reveals official Air Traffic Control radar footage displaying the Collision Alert. This alert is not for an imminent collision but serves as a tool to draw heightened attention from the controllers to potential risks. The footage then captures the critical moment when both aircraft collided, emphasizing the urgency of the controllers' split-second decisions. The radar data provides a detailed view of the events leading up to the crash, offering valuable insight into the sequence of actions and how the situation ultimately unfolded

@In2ThinAir - In2ThinAir

@rawsalerts @avgeekjake Was zig zagging!@ https://t.co/IDlfru8efO

@PlutooXr - Theo☀️

@In2ThinAir @rawsalerts @avgeekjake Not only zig zaging but attempting to crash into other planes. He shouldn't get that close at all. https://t.co/nX8AxaOeSx

@pete40460 - Pete Newell

Apparent flight path of Blackhawk helicopter that appears to have been attempting to hit an aircraft. What an awful tragedy. #BlackHawk #flightpath #AA5342 #dccrash #blackhawkcrash https://t.co/UpU7M2a497

CitizenFreePres
Posted - January 31, 2025 at 4:05 PM
Saved - January 31, 2025 at 5:24 PM

@CitizenFreePres - Citizen Free Press

NEW VIDEO OF DC BLACKHAWK COLLISION AND PLANE CRASH These are the clearest images of the collision we've seen so far. How is it possible the Blackhawk pilots did not see the AA jet. https://t.co/mqY2Lnhn0K

_Tyrant_Slayer
Posted - January 31, 2025 at 4:09 PM
Saved - February 25, 2025 at 7:55 PM

@_Tyrant_Slayer - Ken Smith

@Matt_Bracken48 So based off this image the reports of the helicopters not being allowed to travel above 200' are true, and that means the helicopter that took out the plane appears to have done this on purpose. As the helicopter didn't climb until the plane was in sight. https://t.co/r04iZYjFDF

MichelleMaxwell
Posted - January 31, 2025 at 6:08 PM
Saved - February 1, 2025 at 9:10 AM

@MichelleMaxwell - Michelle Maxwell

Another perspective. I am going to call my Dad tonight and get his perspective as well since he spent his whole 40 year career working with the FAA and dealing with ATC and flight patterns. Will let you know what he thinks as well. https://t.co/3u07sWEIZj

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Last night, a tragic mid-air collision occurred involving a Blackhawk helicopter and a CRJ 700 regional jet near Reagan Airport. The helicopter, PAT 25, had accepted visual separation from traffic but mistakenly focused on an American Airlines flight behind the CRJ instead of the CRJ itself. As both aircraft approached runway 33, the helicopter collided with the CRJ, resulting in a crash in the Potomac River. The tower quickly initiated emergency protocols, closing the airport and dispatching rescue teams. Unfortunately, there were no survivors, and the situation has turned into a recovery operation. The incident highlights the importance of maintaining visual separation and will lead to further training to prevent future tragedies.
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Speaker 0: Here's what happened last night. I'm able to secure the actual audio from the incident over the Potamic last night. Let's listen in together. Speaker 1: We have 79 projects on parts today. Okay. American Southern 130 for the final. Speaker 0: You're gonna see a back and forth now between Reagan Tower and the various aircraft that they have lined up on approach into the airport. This happened at about 8:46 PM last evening, and, you can see there are several airplanes lined up as typical coming in about that time of night at Reagan. They're talking to American Airlines 31 of 30, which I think is number 2 for the runway. They're telling them to slow down to their final approach speed because they're separating everybody on the way in. It's gonna turn out that American 3130 is a key player in what happens here. Speaker 1: Well, on next 3130. That's 25. Jeff, this is off to work for you to see our case. Speaker 0: That's 25 is the helicopter that ran into the CRJ 700. It was a PSA flight. The flight number is 5342. It would go under the call sign blue streak. Blue streak 5342. You don't ever hear them talking to tower. They've already been cleared to land on runway 33. So they would come in on an approach on runway 1, and then they would kinda circle the land on runway 33. It's a little shorter runway, but they take some of the regional jets and they put them on that runway. PAT 25 is the Blackhawk helicopter, that is just south of the Woodrow Bridge and they're ask or excuse me, They've just taken off their airborne. The tower is saying to them there's traffic. It's a CRJ. It's a 1200 feet lined up for runway 33. Do you have that traffic? Pat 25 is gonna call back and say yes. Speaker 1: It's 1,000 towards the feet, circling way through Speaker 2: 3. Pat has the traffic inside requested. Speaker 0: Pat 25 says, has the traffic in sight request visual separation. What that means is that they're going to take responsibility for visual separation from that aircraft. What happened? Here's what I think happened. This is not the final word on it, but what I think happened was it was at night, there's several airplanes lined up. There is that Blue Streak 5342, which is a CRJ that they ran into. Right behind them just a few miles is American 3 130. Everybody has their lights on as they're coming in. I believe the helicopter looked at the American 3 130 and said, I've got the traffic in sight and they never saw the airplane, the CRJ that was right next to them. That's my conjecture on what happens. Speaker 2: This is for. Speaker 1: This is for. American 16threet tower, homemade 1 lock 4, check through out part of hallway 33, just check 1, 6, off funnel. Speaker 0: So this is typical stuff that's going on in a busy airport. They're lining somebody up to take off. They're saying pay attention. I'm gonna give you an immediate takeoff here. I've got traffic lining up for runway 33. That's the CRJ that got ran into, and he's on a 6 mile final. It might be somebody even behind him, but they're lining everybody up to take off and delay. Speaker 2: Line of way runway. Speaker 1: 26307. Keep rolling out for November Southport today. Speaker 0: They gotta come out a little bit wider and come in. But remember, PAT 25, which is up here, the helicopter at the at the middle of your screen, they've already said we we accept responsibility for visual separation. Speaker 1: American 1630 1 star 3 2, Jordan 14, Gulf Street 5, Chevy 2 mile up from a 33, another leg from a 1 strip for vehicle There's only American take off American 1630. Your target CRJ in sight. Speaker 0: Now the tower is seeing what's happening. They're saying, do you have the CRJ in sight? Because you guys are getting kinda close. And the the PAT 25, the helicopter says once again, yeah, and I'm asking for visual separation. Okay. The responsibility is on you then. Speaker 1: PAT 25. PAT 5 is CRJ. Speaker 2: It's not as a aircraft in sight versus separation. Speaker 0: K. So patching 5 says, has the aircraft in sight? Request visual separation. I don't think they have these guys in sight. I think they had the airplane behind them in sight. That's why this is such a tragedy. Speaker 1: American 4782 by Bass Power and Visual. American 472, officer, 1, star 3, 2, 0, and 7. Speaker 0: So you hear somebody in the tower go, oh, and they see what just happened. As you can see in your screen here, the collision took place. The tower has seen it happen in real time. Their human beings are reacting just like you and I would. The helicopter ran into the CRJ. The CRJ's airspace was their airspace. In front of them, behind them, on both sides of them, it was the responsibility of the helicopter to maintain visual separation. They even told him a couple times, do you got him in sight? Do you got him in sight? He said, yep. Got him in sight. I'm accepting responsibility for the separation. And I think just like when you're driving in a car and you you look and you see a car behind the one that almost hit you, You see that car and you didn't see the one right here. And when you turn out in front, sometimes there's a collision. It's really tragic when this happens, in an airplane. Again, it's been decades since there's been a a mid air collision, in this country. This is such an unusual circumstance, to take place. It's such a tragedy. It's been 12 years since there's been a fatality in a commercial airliner, here in the United States. That's unprecedented. And that wasn't a mid air collision. That was just an accident. This is a mid air collision, and this hasn't happened in forever. So now we know what's going on here. Pat 25, the helicopter accepted responsibility for visual separation. They probably had their eyes on the airplane behind them, and then they tragically ran into these guys. Speaker 1: So did you see that? 472 man, I could 3130, go around some left hand, 250, 5, 19 for a 1000. Speaker 0: So now what happens from the tower's perspective is they have to work through denial pretty fast. They just saw this happen in real time in front of them. They're human beings like the rest of us. They're kind of in shock, but they still got airplanes coming in. They've got American Airlines 1630, which just took off. They've got to hand them off to departure. They got American 31 30 that's coming in. They got American 472 behind them. They've gotta they gotta do something with these airplanes. The airplane port is gonna be shut here in a second. So they're gonna start telling all these guys to go around while they're trying to handle the emergency and get the emergency equipment out, And all of that is everybody's kind of in a little fog for a few seconds here while all of this is taking place. The the tragedy of it hits you hard, and they're very professional. Watch how they handle this, but, man, it's they're busy. Speaker 1: K. Let's see. 3503000American3130. Tower Booth Street, 5347 is on final request, rolling 33 circle to 33. K. Take him heading. I reckon 31, 30. Correct. 31 is already going out. So less than 270, if I make 3,000. 270, the heading. 3000. Speaker 0: See how fast he's talking? He's trying to get all these other airplanes on here. Speaker 2: Crash, crash, crash. This is alert 3. Crash, crash, crash. Speaker 0: Okay. What's MWAA? It's the Metro Washington Airport Authority. Every, airport has, some sort of governing authority over it. Many times, it's called the port authority. Up in Boston, it's mass port, right? In New York, it's the port authority. Down here in Washington, it's the metro Washington airport authority. They're now announcing officially there's a crash. So they go over the radio and they broadcast to everybody. The tower is the main recipient of this. If there's been a crash, he's going to repeat that. That puts a whole bunch of things into motion all at the same time. The fire crews now are going to jump in their uniforms. They're going to get in their fire trucks. They're going to drive to where the crash is. There's gonna be details about this coming, but this whole thing is very frenzied and happens very fast, but these are really highly trained professionals. They do a really terrific job. Speaker 2: The alert 3. Crash. Crash. Crash. This is an alert 3. Speaker 0: An alert 3 is a a crash. Speaker 2: Okay. I'm reading it. Oh, shit. And where's the alert 3? It is off the, the approach on the runway 33. Approach and the runway 33. Helicopter crashed. Speaker 1: Helicopter. Copy. Speaker 2: Copy. Copy. Copy. Crash. Crash. Is it letter 3? 2 helicopters? Speaker 0: Okay. So again, fog of war. The first report that they get is that it's 2 helicopters. They're gonna clarify this really quickly because the tower is talking back and forth to them. The tower is gonna say, no. No. It was a CRJ and a helicopter. So they get this because it's cleared up pretty fast. Speaker 2: Well, helicopter CRJ approach in a runway 33. Speaker 0: That's really fast. Speaker 2: Runway 33 a mile long final. Yeah. So that's correct. Correct? Speaker 1: You get Speaker 2: to vote? Yeah. He was CRJ approach in 33. Stop. Okay. How many tools on board? We don't have any inform we don't have any of that information. And the initial power tower is reporting a CRJ in a helicopter crash to heat whatsoever. Speaker 0: So they're passing the information back and forth to the the first responders who need it. Everybody's trying to clarify while they're jumping in their trucks and they're heading out there. Now they know exactly where they're going. It's at the approach end of runway 33. It's somewhere in the Potomac. Now they're gonna have to coordinate boats and and other things. Eventually, they're gonna get helicopters involved. Speaker 2: Can we go ahead and hold all operations till we have emergency units respond? We're going to go ahead and show the aerodrome close. Speaker 0: They might close the airport so they can Yeah. Speaker 2: That's affirmative. I'm home. Operations air drum closed. Are these closed? Speaker 3: And everybody just, Speaker 1: hold your position, please, on the field right now. K. So this is the Speaker 3: ground controller. Now the ground Speaker 0: controller is the one that's gonna get all these trucks going where they need to go. But the ground controller needs to stop all the airplanes. So the she just makes a blanket broadcast. Everybody stop right where you are. Every once in a while, you kinda half hear that and then you say, okay. I'm sorry. And there's also people asking to to be released from their gate to go. They haven't they're they're not into what's going on yet because they just put their headsets on, and they're just getting ready to go. One aircraft's gonna ask to do this, and she's just gonna say, everybody stop. Speaker 1: South South 438. We're in for tax. Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna have to hold, for down. Speaker 0: For now. Speaker 3: I'll get back to you just as soon as I can. Fire command. The accident happened in the river. Both the helicopter and the plane crashed in the rivers, east of, the approach end of runway 33. Speaker 0: It's amazing to me how much clarity they have about actually what happened and where it happened. Many times in an accident like this, it takes 5 to 10 minutes just to get everything sorted out. They're very good here at getting it all very concise. And so the response time was phenomenal on this. Speaker 1: Is the airfield closed? Speaker 3: Yes. The airfield is closed. The airfield is closed. Speaker 1: Runways as well? Speaker 0: ARF is the aircraft rescue and firefighters. That's the actual fire chief that's in the fire truck. He's asking, is the airport closed and are all the runways closed as well? That way he does he can expedite getting out there. He doesn't have to stop and ask, can I cross this runway? Can I go on that taxiway? She's about to tell him the whole place is shut down. You go. You you own the airport now. Speaker 3: All runways are closed. Nobody's landing. No one's moving at all. Speaker 1: And we have clearance across all taxiways and runway. Correct? Speaker 3: Yes. You have clearance through the whole field, all taxiways and runways. Speaker 0: So basically, she's saying to these guys, go. And at that moment, the fire trucks take off. What we know about the accident at this point is that there were no survivors. It's now a recovery operation. That's the sad part about all of this, and that's the part that really hits us hard, right here. But I I know you wanted to hear what happened and maybe my response to how they handled the this emergency and what led to it. It looks pretty clear at this point that the helicopter had accepted visual separation. That's when they they make that call when they're cleared for that. They said, yep, we've got the airplane in sight, and the airplane they had in sight was the wrong airplane. There was another one in between that and the one that they were looking at. And, sadly, they ran into, that aircraft. So folks who are hoping that this never happens again, I know that, my annual training, I will certainly get some training on avoiding mid air collisions I have over the my career, but, they will refresh this as more details about this situation comes out. And the really wonderful part about that is they share all of the information they get the FAA with every other airline around the planet, so we all, can avoid having a tragedy like this happen in the future, we will train to make sure that this never happens again. Well, there you go. Sorry for this, but, pray for these people. Right? I'm captain Steven. I'll see you.
prodreamer1
Posted - February 14, 2025 at 10:49 PM
Saved - February 16, 2025 at 2:50 PM
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The NTSB investigation into a helicopter collision revealed a discrepancy in altitude perception between the female pilot and the instructor. Concerns were raised about the FAA's altitude restrictions and the reliance on barometric altimeters, which can lead to significant errors. The helicopter crew reported seeing the jet but lacked communication about collision avoidance. The instructor's role was questioned, suggesting he may have prioritized evaluation over safety. Future studies aim to clarify visibility issues and the effectiveness of real-time tracking in preventing such incidents.

@prodreamer1 - pro dreamer

#Blackhawk #flight5342 collision NTSB: helicopter flight recorder revealed the female pilot thought their altitude was 100 feet below the altitude that the instructor pilot believed them to be. https://t.co/STXnsbK5bd

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We were switching to Runway 33. At 84348, the Blackhawk was about 1.1 nautical miles west of the Key Bridge. According to the pilot's line, they were at 300 feet, but the instructor pilot said they were at 400 feet. There was no discussion of this altitude difference between the pilots. Right now, we don't know why there was a discrepancy between the two pilots' altitude readings. The investigative team is currently looking into it to determine the cause.
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Speaker 0: To switch to Runway 33. At 84348, the Blackhawk was about 1.1 nautical miles west of the Key Bridge. The pilot's line indicated they were at 300 feet. The instructor pilot indicated they were at 400 feet. Neither pilot made a comment discussing an altitude discrepancy. Discrepancy. At this time, we don't know why there was a discrepancy between the two. That's something that the investigative team is analyzing. Eddie

@retirednavypm - RetiredNavyPM

I remain convinced there was a miscalculation in the error budget that led the FAA to determine helicopter pilots could safely operate at 200 feet at the location of the collision. A pilot relying on a barometric altimeter could reasonably conclude that staying below an indicated 200 feet ensured safety. This assumption was flawed. Altimeters based on barometric pressure are subject to errors that, when compounded, can be significant enough to guarantee a collision in some instances. Yes, there were contributing secondary factors. The helicopter crew twice reported having the jet in sight. The forthcoming visual studies will confirm the physics and probabilities of this claim and its implications. If they truly saw and heard the warnings about the jet’s location, they should have recognized they had 90–120 seconds before it reached the intersection point—ample time to deconflict, slow down, or change direction. Yet, there was no recorded conversation about deconfliction. To me, this suggests that standard practice did not emphasize identifying and reacting to a collision intersection point within roughly 100 seconds when the ATC Tower alerted the helicopter team that a jet was using Runway 33. Moreover, it’s likely that pilots were too focused on navigating the corridor to perform real-time collision avoidance calculations without prior planning and briefing on major risk areas like this. This raises the question: Did the pre-flight briefing include discussions on how to respond when ATC alerted the crew about Runway 33 landings? Such planning would seem prudent—unless they relied on the FAA’s 200-foot altitude restriction, which brings me back to my central point: FAA engineers failed to properly account for error budget analysis. The altitude restriction at this location should have been set at 75 feet. However, I doubt the military would have accepted such a restriction while flying at night at 100 knots over a dark river. This would have necessitated one of two outcomes: 1.Requiring helicopters to remain under ATC tower control, or 2.Mandating that pilots actively plot and track intersecting aircraft in real time using time-based calculations rather than relying solely on altitude separation. The latter approach—managing collision risk through speed and course adjustments—would have been the only effective way to ensure safety without positive ATC control. There is discussion of future real-time plotting displays in cockpits. Perhaps these could work, provided pilots understand the implications of increased workload and distraction. However, experience suggests this may not be a reliable solution. In Vietnam, pilots often disabled certain warning alarms during critical moments, such as final approaches to drop ordnance, because they could not manage additional distractions. Given the challenges of flying at 100 knots and 200 feet over a river at night, I am not convinced that real-time plotting would be sufficient. Perhaps adding a fourth crew member dedicated to situational awareness and collision avoidance could be a more viable solution.

@prodreamer1 - pro dreamer

@retirednavypm 1. The ATC msg that the CRJ was diverted to runway 33 was not heard by the Blackhawk so they may have moved to the center of the Potomac for separation from a plane they thought was heading North on their left. There were 2 occasions when the instructor corrected the altitude. https://t.co/r407BtCzyI

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We received transmissions directing the Blackhawk to pass behind the CRJ. However, the Blackhawk crew may not have received the full message due to a brief mic key from their end to communicate with ATC. At 08:47:44, the Blackhawk crew reported visual contact with the traffic and requested visual separation, which air traffic control approved. The instructor pilot then told the pilot flying that they believed ATC was asking the helicopter to move left, toward the East Bank of the Potomac. Seven seconds before impact, at 08:47:52, the CRJ rolled out.
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Speaker 0: Transmission from the towers was audible on both CVRs, directing the Blackhawk to pass behind the CRJ. CBR data from the Blackhawk indicated that the portion of the transmission that stated passed behind the dog may not have been received by the Blackhawk crew. Transmission was stepped on by a point eight second mic key from the Blackhawk. The Blackhawk was keying the mic to communicate with ATC. In response, at 08:47 forty four, the Blackhawk crew indicated that traffic was in sight and requested visual separation, which was approved by DCA tower. The instructor pilot then told the pilot flying. They believed ATC was asking for the helicopter to move left toward the East Bank Of The Potomac. At 08:47 fifty two or seven seconds before impact, the CRJ rolled out on

@retirednavypm - RetiredNavyPM

The visual studies should inform the NTSB what could be seen and what might confuse them. When the CRJ was 1200 feet just south of Woodrow Wilson bridge (about 90 to 120 seconds away), the ATC Tower advised the helicopter of location and that it was going to land on Runway 33. The helicopter replied they had CJR in sight and wanted permission to manage separation based on visibility. I presume that meant they were tracking something (CJR) located just south of that bridge and at 1200 feet elevation for the next 90 seconds or so. I am looking forward to seeing what simulation shows regarding they could see and/or mistake. I was surprised the voice recording showed essentially no discussion of tracking the CJR.

@retirednavypm - RetiredNavyPM

Also, I note your comment that the helicopter flight recorder at this time does not cite the word ‘circle’. I note NTSB does not say that the words “Runway 33” were missing, only that “circle” was missing. They said their recorder team was evaluating. As you suggest, if the helicopter team did not hear CJR was planning Runway 33 verses Runway 1, that would be significant it terms of raising the probability of misidentification. What the helicopter pilots are likely going to see are bright white dots floating in the air and slowly descending. The dot which was the CJR would also have a left horizontal motion as it tracked away from ILS on Runway 1 in order to set up for Runway 33. That would leave the dot for the next jet that was tracking for Runway 1. I would have believed you would be hard pressed to confuse the two. But that was based on initial belief the helicopter heard the CJR was re-aligning for Runway 33. It will interesting to hear what the recorder team concludes on what the helicopter heard.

@prodreamer1 - pro dreamer

@retirednavypm The instructor pilot was primarily there to evaluate the pilot rather than functioning to assist her. This was probably a timed flight with failure resulting from too slow a flight. He may also have been under pressure to not fail her by assuming control due to her incompetence

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