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Larry Silverstein asked about 9-11 conspiracy theories https://t.co/1QGAPUOWZ0
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The interviewer confronts Larry Silverstein about conspiracy theories surrounding his comments on the collapse of Building 7 on 9/11. Silverstein's response only fuels more speculation. The interviewer questions Silverstein's claim that firefighters made the decision to "pull" the building, pointing out that the firefighters were already outside the building by then. The interviewer also mentions that the fire chief denies speaking to Silverstein on that day. Silverstein deflects the questions and suggests looking at the thousands of pages of testimony. The interviewer brings up testimony about bombs in the building before its collapse, but is interrupted and eventually asked to leave. The interviewer concludes by urging reporters to ask more questions.
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Speaker 0: This one's for Larry Silverstein. Last time we talked, sir, I asked you if you could address some of the not a little conspiracy theories that you were accused of. Sadly, your response has actually invited more of them. I mean, for the record, everybody knows your infamous comments on PBS where you said pool building 7, on 5/25 on the day of 9/11.
Speaker 1: They were not sure they're gonna be able to contain the fire. That's a good way. We've had Such terrible loss of life. I mean, this is one of the things to do is is pull it. And they made that decision to pull it's that we watched the building collapse.
Speaker 0: Your official response was that it was the firefighters. My question is, it was pretty clear that you met the building, and if there was a firefighters that you already are outside the building by 12 because the water lines are broken. Ask the question. And the the fire chief that you said you spoke to, fire chief Nagro, denies talking to you on that day of 9 11. Can you answer those questions and address the theories against
Speaker 1: I suggest everybody's consideration. The whole look at the thousands of pages of testimony that I've never been here since I've lived. And let's use today's session.
Speaker 0: Are you aware of testimony of bombs in the building before the building collapsed, Sir, are you aware of that testimony? Sir, there's testimony by Baird Dentistry. Sir, you don't have to touch me. Listen, I I walk away. All I'm asking is a question I don't have to be kicked out.
But there's gonna be It's a legitimate question. You don't have to put your hands on me, but all I'm saying is to
Speaker 1: make you
Speaker 0: see No. I'm not. I'm here asking. The question was not answered. That's why I have a grievance.
Larry Silverstein was told not to come into work. That's why him, his daughter, and his son never showed up to work. I'm not 11. He he put an insurance policy on the buildings. Reporters, do your job.
Please ask some questions. Alright.
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Remember that 9/11 survivor that helped save lives in the basement of the twin towers that heard bombs go off? https://www.ksat.com/features/2021/09/10/a-key-rescue-on-911-how-a-janitor-at-the-world-trade-center-used-this-tool-to-save-lives/
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William Rodriguez, a survivor of the 9/11 attacks, discusses his experiences and activism. He clarifies that he never accused the government of killing its own citizens, but believes they had prior knowledge of the attack and failed to take appropriate action. Rodriguez emphasizes his mission to seek answers and provide closure for victims and their families. He highlights his efforts in helping undocumented workers affected by the attacks receive compensation and benefits. Rodriguez expresses frustration with those who refuse to share a platform with him, stating that they are avoiding important issues and using the tragedy for political purposes. He calls for recognition and support for the 9/11 first responders who are now suffering from health issues.
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Speaker 0: To Islam Channel, I, have to say that, you've been variously described as the ultimate American hero.
Speaker 1: And the subject of a lot of controversy
Speaker 0: That's a nice way. I was gonna say something a bit more controversial there. This weekend at the Global Peace and Unity Conference, one of the Parliamentarians, a senior parliamentarian, suggested that perhaps your, you were responsible for propagating the messages of, conspiracy stories of, the the United States government being responsible as for killing its own citizens.
Speaker 1: Incredibly, incredible. Incredible. He was there, and I was there. And he could have addressed me directly. And he didn't have, I guess, The necessary motivation or enthusiasm of this position to actually come over to me and ask me those questions.
It was very easy to do that. Look, he's not
Speaker 0: the only one who said these things.
Speaker 1: That is correct.
Speaker 0: So so just before we go into the details of this, so, you know, why have you become the All American Hero. What happened on 9/11?
Speaker 1: Well, Carl, let's put it this way. I am just Not the all American hero, but I just did what it was right on that on that day. I believe that there were many heroes. Many people did deal deal the unthinkable and the, biggest outreach to try to help other people on that day. Many died, doing doing so, you know, sadly, many didn't have the opportunity to tell their stories.
I was able to tell my story from the very beginning. And in a way, I became the image of 911, especially for the Latino community because I was Hispanic, And there was not enough people with the ability to talk English and Spanish at that time Coming out on the news, but me and that basically gave me a free reign with the media at that time. So that's Basically
Speaker 0: How many Hispanic people were caught up in that?
Speaker 1: Around 800, 160, Around those numbers. The problem is that we don't know exactly how many, because a lot of people married American people with their names. They have to change their names. So From Lopez, they became Smith. So within
Speaker 0: Did you say 160 or 860?
Speaker 1: 860.
Speaker 0: 860. Yeah. So that's Quite a significant proportion
Speaker 1: of those
Speaker 0: guilds. Oh,
Speaker 1: yes, absolutely. But we have to think that majority of the people that were in the building early It's usually the support people from, let's say, kitchens, the maintenance, the electricians, People that work on delivery, on the mail rooms. And obviously, these are the people that support a whole corporation.
Speaker 0: What were you doing in the tower?
Speaker 1: I work in the building as a janitor. I was the caretaker of all the stairwells of the North Tower. I worked in the building for 20 years, And I had to clean 110 floors of stairwells from the 106th floor. Actually, I started, I didn't, I usually didn't do the 110. From the 106 store, story floor all the way down to the lobby.
And I will do that every day.
Speaker 0: What happened on the 11th?
Speaker 1: On 9eleven, I came in late. I went straight to the basement, and I was there with my supervisor, Antonio Santaramarcia, and 14 other people. When we here at 846, an explosion that went boom, very loud, pushes upwards. When they push us upwards, all the walls cracked, the ceiling fell on top of us. The sprinkler system got activated.
Everybody started screaming in horror because we didn't know what happened. And the first thing that comes to my mind is that a generator just blew up On the mechanical room. The mechanical room was located right below us. The building has 6 sub levels of basement: B1, B2, all the way down to B6. I was on B1, the explosion came from between B2 and B3, that's how we felt it.
Now I worked in the building, Carlos, for 20 years. I would know exactly the difference between An explosion coming from the bottom and 1 coming from the top. This one came from the bottom and prior to the plane hitting the tower. Now, When I went to verbalize it, because everybody's screaming in horror and in total despair at that moment, when I went to verbalize it, we hear, This is 6 to 7 seconds after the initial explosion, and it was the impact. It sounded like an impact all the way on the top of the building, and then an explosion.
And a person comes running into the office saying explosion, explosion, hands extended, burned 33% of his body, all the skin hanging from under his armpits Peeled off all the way to the top of the fingertips. I'm missing pieces of his face. And I said, what are you doing? And, you know, what happened? This guy was Felipe David, a black guy that I never met before from Honduras, who work actually filling up those, vending machines with supplies, soda, candies, etcetera.
And he was burned 33% of his of his body from that first explosion. Now when I see this, everybody's screaming in horror, I say, don't move because I was going to pick up to pick up, I mean, to pick up the phone to call the emergency medical unit that was located on the south tower. When I went to pick it up, another explosion. And The building shakes so much. And remember, the building was designed to oscillate because of the wind factor, but it oscillated so much that the walls started cracking.
You could hear the cracking, and everybody started running inside the office thinking that it was an earthquake because the floor is moving below us. So at that very moment, I realized that, you know, nobody was helping the man. So I put bandages around him, and I said, you know, we gotta get out. We gotta get out. Nobody was taking the leadership at that And I have to take it upon myself because I survived the bomb of 1993.
When I survived that bomb in 1993, I was stuck inside of an elevator that time for hours. So I knew that we have to take action right away. So I started leading this whole group of people out from the office To the area of the well, they wanted to go to the lobby. And I say, no, don't go to the lobby because that's probably where the problem is. So I lead them all the way to the loading dock area.
At the loading dock area, we led them all the way straight to a hill outside the building. That's when I see an ambulance. I stop the ambulance. I put mister Felipe David with the help of other people. We put them inside the, ambulance, and that's when I hear for the first that a plane hit the building.
A plane hit the building, a plane hit the building. When I turned around, it was a security guard.
Speaker 0: So was this what was this the 1st plane or
Speaker 1: 1st plane.
Speaker 0: So you mean, you had Injured, you had victims who had body parts missing, their skin peeled off, you're saying before a plane hit the building?
Speaker 1: That is correct. That is certainly my experience.
Speaker 0: So there have been suggestions Correct. That you have, put forward the notion The government was complicit in, trying to kill its own citizens. They have put them in their words. The act of terrorists in a plane attack on the Twin Towers, what do you say to that?
Speaker 1: They have put so many words in my mouth. They have twisted and changed my testimony. My testimony is exactly the same That I did on 9eleven. They said, oh, you changed your story. No, no, it's exactly the same.
It hasn't changed. If you get the transcripts from television from that day and put them up today, It's exactly the same thing. When I said the word rumble, and then I say explosion, they said that you change rumble for explosion. No. When they pulled me from the rubble, CNN came and said, you have 30 seconds to go on the air, 30 seconds to go on the air and tell you a story.
30 seconds? That is impossible to tell exactly what happened. So I gave them, you know, in the middle of the fog of war, what it was at the moment, you know, my reality at that moment. And for me, is explosion to me. And, when later on, I talked The whole
Speaker 0: Do you think That the United States was complicit or in any which way involved in orchestrating attacks On the Twin Towers.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you straight, I believe that the U. S. Government had indication that an attack was going to happen in imminent They did not take the right precautions and information was given not by me. This is not coming from me. It's coming from the government own Information, an FBI agent identified the hijackers and basically was told to Stop the investigation by a by a supervisor.
Speaker 0: Sir, let me just ask you again, just so that we're clear. You may have, you seem to be suggesting that perhaps the government was in possession of information.
Speaker 1: Of information, but to say but to say that the government actually killed its own people, I never said that. I have never said that. The reason that I'm asking for a new investigation is to find out exactly what happened because we did not get all the answers. And because I am actually asking for that information, they put words in my mouth. You see?
Because I don't say, the government did it. You don't see me go insane. 911 is an inside job. The government did it. The government So do
Speaker 0: you think that there were hijackers of a plane that
Speaker 1: I I know there were hijackers. I know they were Hijackers. How do I know? Well, basically by the evidence put forward. Is that evidence correct?
I don't know. You see, that's where the problem is. We need to get the real evidence that the government have that, remember, the 9/11 Commission, this information is still closed. Whatever testimony was there is close. It's not available to the general public.
And that's have been the problem from the very beginning. We need to know exactly what happened to draw our own conclusions. But for people to say that I say that it was the government who did no. What happened was there was a lawsuit. I did a lawsuit against the president looking for information, and that lawyer, Phil Berg, started putting every allegation, every conspiracy theory On that lawsuit, and I did not agree, and I did not at until this day, I agree with many of the allegation on that lawsuit.
So what did I do? What did I what did I do at that time? I fired a lawyer. I removed myself from the lawsuit, you see, to distance myself, But the information stayed there. So they say that, you know, because of the lawsuit said that Willie Rodriguez is Saying that the president and everybody was involved in the assassination of 3,000 people, they said it was me.
No, definitely not. I stay away from that. I don't agree with that. And I said again, I do not agree with the lawsuit. The lawsuit was failing from the very beginning because they put every allegation Of every conspiracy theory.
Speaker 0: What was your what's your motivation in traveling and talking and appearing on platforms and talking on the stages about your experiences there.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that you say, I made it a career. I made it a mission actually. I made it a mission because I needed to get answers. I represent the victims of 9/11. I lost 200 friends on 9/11, 200 friends that I will never see again.
I was I am. I was not. I am. I live in Morocco because I survived by a lie in that moment, made it impossible for me to be here. Now what do I have to do to glorify the 2nd opportunity?
I got to continue telling the truth in the face of tyranny. I have to continue to tell the truth of the victims, survivors, and those affected by the event. I am actually, a leader of the Hispanic victims group and the victim support group. So I have a mission. This is a mission.
So I cannot stop that mission because some people don't agree with my experience. I was there. I experienced this event. Nobody is telling me to tell you this or to tell anybody that. What I'm trying to do is to get the information out to be able to get Closing emotional closure for the events for me and for the sake of the families.
Speaker 0: Just for our viewers, let's get some clarity here. Yes. Are you saying that these are victims or families of the some of the victims of the, Twin Towers disaster, of the 9/11 disaster, Who previously were unable to receive any compensation or benefit, who as a result of your efforts, or partly as a result of your efforts, were able to receive benefit. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1: A 100%. You said it correctly. There was a person in charge of the distribution of funds Of the federal compensation program named Kenneth Feinberg, I asked Kenneth Feimer to give me a hand to set up an amnesty program. I will show up on all his press conferences. I will interrupt him constantly To ask him, what will he do for those undocumented people that work in the World Trade Center?
And he said, well, the problem is that we cannot identify them. And I said, I can identify them, will you help me? He said, yes. So I went to all the Latino television shows and I asked for a PSA, a public service announcement And they gave it to me. And I was able to put together a database, a data program of all these people and brought it to him.
And I said, now I have the people, will you help me? I need an amnesty program to help these people. Then nobody's helping them. So they said, okay, now that you have that, yes, we will do it. And Within 90 days, we were able to get the amnesty program going.
Speaker 0: And how many people have benefited from that?
Speaker 1: 2,600 people.
Speaker 0: 2,600 people.
Speaker 1: 2,600 people. Work on the Tax Relief Act for victims of terrorism. That means that any victim of terrorism from now on doesn't have to pay Taxes for 2 years, we didn't have that before. We changed the compensation program 3 times. We work with Red Cross Salvation Army Catholic Charities to establish programs for distribution of funds.
We did and when I say We, I'm talking about my organization, the Hispanic Victims Group, which is me basically, and we establish Scholarship grants for students. And you can check this all out on the legislation and other programs. On my pursuit of truth, we have created Such an amount of pressure that a lot of information has become available that wasn't available before. A lot of people has come forward With information, internal information that we didn't even know it was available. I'll give you an example.
And I'm not saying it's because of me, But I'm saying it's because of the pressure. People that before was, very adamant to testify and to give information. Rachel Clark. Richard Clark, the czar of intelligence for George Bush that basically quit his job, goes to the nineeleven commission and open his mouth and say, we lied to the Families, we fail to the families, you know, we fail you. And, it talks about how they wanted to use 9/11 To create a war in Iraq, to go and invade Iraq, things like that.
When you start exposing these lies, we're able get to the bottom of things. And I think that 7 years after 9/11, I have been able to be a political pundit On many levels, and I'm still an activist. I am an activist, but a lot of people don't agree with this kind of activism, And they start putting labels on you to stop you. And that's what I get. And I don't care because I'm going around the world.
I met with kings. I met with prime ministers of many countries, with presidents of many countries, with members of parliament of many countries. So, you know, if they have this vested interest on listening to what the victims that were in the World Trade Center have to say, Know what the government is saying, there's something there, but we want to know what it is. We're not going out around accusing people. We want to get that information to know exactly what That's all.
Speaker 0: So, as a conclusion to our interview, William Rodriguez, tell us, what do you have to say to those people Who feel that they, it would be a mistake, to to share a platform with you.
Speaker 1: How ridiculous. You know, here Here I am, you know, 7 years after, I am a survivor. I am a person that experienced the event. I am an activist. I was a person that was wine by the White House.
They wanted me to run for political office. This is the guy that is going to get the Hispanic Latino vote, 30,000,000 voters. And I took the training. You see, I have met most of the politicians in United States that are very influential. You can go to any level, and they will know who I am.
And I get the respect because I don't talk about only what happened on nineeleven. I talk about the issues of the community. I talk about those disenfranchised because of 911, you know, the problems of Losing our rights, they have used 911. And basically, that's one known issue for everything that is, number 1, When they want to tap your phones now, that is legal in United States now, before it wasn't legal, it's because of 911. Want to open your emails because of 911.
They want to stop you and put you in a room without the right to a lawyer for an indefinite time is because of 911. This is the politics of fear that we have been receiving because of my event. So of course, how come can I I cannot go and talk about those issues because they're using my disaster, my despair, my pain For a political purpose, if they don't want to share the stage, they don't want to share a forum? You know, they have a problem. They have a problem because they are not facing the issues the way they are.
They use a tragedy. They have taken a tragedy and they have manipulated that tragedy, and they have not come forward with the reality of, you know, what's going on in the world. You see, 911 is not only affecting United States, it's affecting the whole world. And when you start putting, oh, no. No.
No. I'm putting labels. You are closing the door to understanding, to compassion because there's no compassion there. You see, you have to give me the time, and you have to get an argumentation and debate to balance your view. You're not doing that.
So If you don't want to share my space on the stage, I am not losing. I'm having the audience. It doesn't matter. And I will talk anywhere. People were angry when I said that I was going to go to places like Iran, because they invited me there.
But I will go anywhere in the world that they want to hear about the issues of the victims. I'm and I'm sorry to add this, but, you know, here I am, 7 years after, talking about 9/11, talking about the 1st responders, we have the 1st responders were the people that went to, help Once the towers collapsed, to look for the, human remains of the people that we lost, and now they're sick and dying. We're talking about Over 10,000 people from the 60,000 people that went there to help, all the rescue dogs are dead. And guess what? There's not a single program to help these people.
They're dying, but the government don't want to recognize it because of the litigation that, that will create. Now We're spending 1,000,000,000 upon 1,000,000,000 of dollars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other things that doesn't actually translate to the needs of the community. Why can't we take and put some program in place Once and for all to help these heroes that help us so much on that moment of need. So if they don't want to understand that I speak about those issues, It's not my loss, is there was.
Speaker 0: William Rodriguez, thank you for joining us.
A key rescue on 9/11: How a janitor at the World Trade Center used this tool to save lives
The number of lives lost in the 9/11 attacks likely would have been higher had William Rodriguez not been one of five people to have this inside the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
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New York City Firefighters Jimmy Grillo and Tyrone Johnson are interviewed on 9/11 immediately after narrowly surviving the collapse of one of the towers. https://t.co/1D611Z39oL
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There was an explosion in the lobby of a building. The whole lobby collapsed, and it was described as horrible and like hell. There were multiple explosions, including a secondary one. People were waiting to go upstairs when the building blew up. They tried to work their way out and help others escape. They witnessed a plane flying into another building. It was like a movie set and surreal. The building collapsed during the third explosion. The speaker is now trying to find something.
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Speaker 0: This is. What happened?
Speaker 1: It was in explosion. We was in the lobby, and then fuck this the 3rd explosion. The whole lobby collapsed on
Speaker 0: us. What was it like? What was it like? Horrible. It's like hell.
You don't wanna know.
Speaker 1: The whole building just collapsed on us inside inside the lobby.
Speaker 0: Is that a secondary explosion?
Speaker 1: Yes. It was.
Speaker 0: That was the planet problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Definitely secondary explosion. But we was inside waiting to go upstairs. It. And on the way upstairs, the whole fucking thing blew.
And we just we just collapsed on everybody inside the lobby. So when's the first time
Speaker 0: we're coming down 2nd here?
Speaker 1: I don't know about the first one, but I know the second was it was challenging. Then And it was a 3rd one too after that one.
Speaker 0: Mhmm. It wasn't after that.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Everybody's inside the building waiting to go upstairs, and they're they're just they're just it. Let loose. Everything just let loose inside the building.
Speaker 0: So what what you told me is that there was a plane or whatever hit the building
Speaker 1: and then the secondary explosion? There was like 3 explosives after that. It. We came in after the after the fire. We came when the fire was going on already.
We was in the staging area inside the building waiting to go upstairs.
Speaker 0: Oh, boy. And then full explosion. The whole the whole lobby collapsed on the The whole the whole
Speaker 1: lobby collapsed on the lobby itself.
Speaker 0: And this this like, ma'am after that?
Speaker 1: Just man, everybody tried to work their way out.
Speaker 0: He's trying to help all the brothers get out of the people. A lot
Speaker 1: of people trapped inside. Nobody's sitting in the front of the navy.
Speaker 0: We watched the 1st explosion. As we're watching the children's, it's a little black, it. Very large airplane fly right into the 2nd building. Came out of the south. That's right.
Right right in front of our eyes. Just All
Speaker 1: I know is these beautiful
Speaker 0: It it was so surreal, like a movie set. Us. 2nd I think the 3rd explosion. No. It's alright.
Yeah. We were in the building for the 3rd one. It collapsed. So I just drive here for the other one. Just try to find it.
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New York City Firefighters Jimmy and Tyrone are interviewed right after a narrow escape from one of the towers on 9/11. https://t.co/05qEiEtAtT
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There was an explosion in the lobby of a building, causing it to collapse. Witnesses describe a secondary explosion and multiple explosions afterwards. They were inside the building when it happened and tried to escape. They also mention seeing a plane hit the building before the explosions. The whole experience was described as horrible and surreal.
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Speaker 0: This is thermal tech. What happened? It was in explosion. It was in the lobby, and they fuck this the 3rd explosion, the whole lobby collapsed on us. What was it like?
What was it like? Horrible. It's like hell. No. No.
No. The whole building just collapsed on us inside the lobby. Is that a secondary explosion? Yes. It was.
That was the plan, probably. Yeah. Definitely secondary explosion. We was inside waiting to go upstairs. And on our way upstairs, the whole fucking being blue.
And it just it just collapsed and everybody inside the lobby. So was it the 1st time was coming down 2nd? I don't know about the first one, but I know the second was it was terrible. Then it was a 3rd one too after that one. Yeah.
Exploded after that. Yes, sir. When you're in there Everybody's inside the building. The way you can go upstairs, And they're they're just they're just letting loose. Everything just letting loose inside the building.
So what what you told me is that there was a plane or whatever hit the building, then the secondary explosion? It was like Three explosives after that. We came in after the after the fire. We came when the fire was going on already. We was in the staging area inside the building waiting to go upstairs.
Alright. And then the 4 The whole the whole lobby collapsed on the lobby. This is this is right, ma'am after that? Just man, everybody tried to work their way out. Night.
All the brothers. Lot of people not people trapped inside. Nobody's Sitting in the front of the navy. We watched the 1st explosion as we're watching the building Thank god. So black, very large airplane flying right into the 2nd door.
It came out of south right right in front of our eyes. Just eyesight nose, these beautiful It night though is least beautiful. It it was so surreal like a hocus. 2nd 2nd 3rd explode. No.
It's alright. We were in the building for a 3rd one. It collapsed. Night. Night.
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Itโs September 12, 2001, and this CSPAN caller has a nightmarish story to tell. Out of all the things he said, what stands out to you? https://t.co/I9Kywrcqew
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I used to be a paramedic and rushed to help during 9/11. I assisted in evacuating people from the World Trade Center before the towers collapsed. Despite the chaos, I stayed to help triage victims until an explosion forced me to seek cover. Many were injured or killed in the aftermath.
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Speaker 0: I was trained as a paramedic. I'm not currently licensed, but I saw started walking towards I get up Greenwich Street towards the World Trade Center, and I just saw arms and legs and pieces of bodies and just a lot of really bad stuff. And I just put on my latex gloves, And I walked up, and I got to the front door, and there's this guy from, FEMA. He's the that's, like, the Federal Emergency Management Agency. And I said, listen.
I I I'm not licensed, but I'm trained as a paramedic. And he's just said, well, that doesn't matter now. Come on in. And, so we went in, and we went under under the basement to the other side of the building. And, basically, what we were doing was people were coming down the stairs.
The fire department was arriving in groups, and they were going up the stairs. And, there was a group of us, and what was happening was people were leaving out the exits, and they were getting, killed by debris that was falling. And, so what we would do is we would, corral people in groups of 50 or a100. And, we'd go out the doors ourselves, and we'd look for debris. And then we tell them go, and they'd run out in groups.
And then we just did that maybe 15 or 20 times when the second plane hit. And, at that point, I just started cursing, and I turned to this FBI agent and just said, like, you know, where's the air support? I mean, aren't we supposed to be prepared for this? And, some guys from the bomb squad came in, and I said, you know, are we looking for secondaries? Because my first thought was that they missed the first time.
They're not gonna miss the time. They're definitely gonna bring it down. And my thoughts were that the planes were just a distraction. They probably had bombs actually, you know, in the garage or whatever again, and that's what they were their main intention was. Just and, just during the lull in the people coming out, I turned to this guy, one of the FBI agents that was there, and I looked him in the eyes.
And I said, you know these things are gonna come down, don't you? And he looked at me, and he said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
They are. And none of the federal agents that were there made any attempt to leave, and and they just knew the building was gonna come down. And they just stayed. And I don't think the firemen the looks on their faces when they went up the stairs, I I I don't think they thought they were gonna get out either. I think everybody just kinda knew what was happening.
We were just trying to get out. It was nice people. Entrance to the trade center, and he says, go there and help. I said, look. I'll stay with you.
And he says, no. I'll go. And I went out and asked, I went out the door, and I crossed the street. And I came up to the paramedics that were there, and I said, listen. Do you guys need any help?
They were like, are you kidding? And, we started triaging people. And just then, I mean, I couldn't have been out the door 3, 5 minutes. There is this explosion. And I looked up, and you explosion.
And I looked up, and it was falling on us the whole side. Thing was just coming down on us, and we all read. I read east about a block, and, then I kinda went to my right, and I hit behind some pillars when it came down. And, she was it was it was like a huge the biggest pipe bomb in history because all this all all the glass and and all the metal just kind of, just formed shrapnel. And and just about everybody that I was running with that didn't make the right, I I think they just all got killed.
There were cars exploding. And
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Medic Kevin McPadden rushed to the World Trade Center to help save lives on 9/11โฆ and what he witnessed at WTC Building 7 was so shocking that this video was shadowbanned by social media for years. https://t.co/K8avO3SXW2
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The Red Cross representative warned us to stay behind a line because they were planning to bring a building down. Without specifying which building, we followed their instructions. After a countdown, we were told to run for our lives, and then heard explosions that were unmistakably not from collapsing floors, but actual explosions. It was clear to me that what I heard was indeed an explosion.
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Speaker 0: The, the Red Cross rep was like he goes over and he's and he and he says, well, you gotta stay behind this line because they're thinking about bringing the building down. They didn't say what building. They just said bringing a building down. So we're like, okay. You know, we'll take their word before it.
You know, we'll stay behind the line. Line. And he went over and he talked to 1 of the, through all the commotion. He goes over and he asked 1 of the Red Cross or 1 of the firefighters what was going on. I guess I don't know if he got an answer or not.
He came back over with his hand over the radio and what sounded like a countdown. And at the last few seconds, he took his hand off and you heard 3, 2, 1, and he was just saying, just run for your life. Just run for your life. And then it was like another 2, 3 seconds. You heard explosions like, ba boom.
It's like a distinct sound. It's not like when in compression, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, floors that were dropping and collapsing. An explosion. There was no doubt in my mind.
That was an explosion. There was no doubt in my mind.
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I reflected on some connections between influential figures and organizations. I noted that JULES KROLL hired WILLIAM BRATTON just before 9/11, with Bratton now involved in the DHS Advisory Council alongside DMITRI ALPEROVITCH of CROWDSTRIKE. I questioned the omission of Alperovitch's background in certain contexts. I also discussed the funding of Sequoia, linked to significant tech advancements and controversial figures. Additionally, I highlighted connections between the Aspen Institute and notable individuals, raising questions about their influence and actions during pivotal events.
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
Hey, Bryan Cunningham. Remember when JULES KROLL, FOUNDER of K2 INTEGRITY & KROLL, hired WILLIAM BRATTON in 2000, just before 9/11? *BRATTON is EXECUTIVE CHAIR of TENEO RISK (MOSSAD). *He also CO-CHAIRS that DHS ADV COUNCIL your TCG bosses sit on. MICHAEL CHERTOFF JAYSON AHERN https://t.co/L1uyD6ByxM
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
If itโs still fuzzy, this is the SAME DHS ADVISORY COUNCIL that also has DMITRI ALPEROVITCH, the CO-FOUNDER and CTO of CROWDSTRIKE on it. Hmmmโฆ It seems they Cohencidentally chose to leave out that part of Alperovitchโs CV for his membership on the DHS ADVISORY COUNCIL. Weird. https://t.co/X6qa4imvxm
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
And yet, BELFER CENTER at HARVARD lists him as โCO-FOUNDER & CTO, CROWDSTRIKEโ in their โDEFENDING DIGITAL DEMOCRACY PROJECTโ. Maybe Iโve just got the wrong guy, tbh. Iโm sure itโs another DMITRI ALPEROVITCH and not the one who implicates DHS in that DJT assassination attempt. https://t.co/udjjeTqvki
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
Me: โItโs funded by Sequoia, which is Unit 8200.โ Some Midwit Jew: โWhAt Is SeQuOia?โ Me: โFTX.โ SMJ: โYeAhโฆ BuT wHaT eLsE is sEqUoIa?โ Oh, yeahโฆ itโs GOOGLE too. SEQUOIA and KLEINER PERKINS are why GOOGLE is even GOOGLE today.๐คฃ
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
Welp, GOOGLE and GENENTECH are PORTFOLIO COMPANIES of KLEINER PERKINS. Shit you not. In fact, GOOGLE wouldnโt be what it is today without KLEINER PERKINS & SEQUOIA CAPITAL (IDF UNIT 8200). ๐ฅItโs why SERGEY BRINโs ex-wife, ANNE WOJCICKI, ran 23ANDME, enabling COVID BIOTERRORISM. https://t.co/0rvul7NGxj
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
โYou see! Obama isnโt a Jew! Thereโs no conspiracy here, Goy! You should just work harder and stop blaming us for your plight!โ SIDE BAR: I wonder if this is where Eric Schmidt convinced Art Levinson to pay Sergey Brinโs wife $60mm for access to all 23andMe PATIENT DATA and DNA. https://t.co/J7U4NaVylo
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
SPACE JEWS IN UNISON: โWhAt MaKeS yOu ThInK jEfF bEzOs Is A jEw LmAo?โ ME: โUmmโฆ His dad is Aspen Institute.โ SPACE JEWS IN UNISON: โWhAtโS THAT gOt To Do WiTh AnYtHiNg?โ ME: โNothing at all, I guess.๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธโ https://t.co/1FlEQXpr6q
@DecentBackup - BackupDecentFiJC
Lol, the CHAIRMAN of ASPEN INSTITUTE is MARGOT PRITZKER & VICE CHAIRMAN is literally the dude who manages the PRITZKER FAMILYโS MONEY. LAURIE TISCHโS HUSBAND (JAMES TISCH) was CHAIRMAN of UJA-FEDERATION (Mossad) when the towers fell. The UJA CHAIR before him? Larry Silverstein. https://t.co/W2rbQgxb2k
@TaraBull808 - TaraBull
Medic Kevin McPadden rushed to the World Trade Center to help save lives on 9/11 only to be left in shock This video keeps getting removed from social media. https://t.co/JwCYsLvuqA
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A Red Cross representative told people to stay behind a line because they were thinking about bringing a building down. The representative spoke to a firefighter and returned, counting down into a radio. He then told people to run for their lives. Two or three seconds later, explosions occurred, described as a distinct "ba boom" sound, unlike the sounds of collapsing floors. The witness felt a rumble in the ground and believed it was an explosion.
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Speaker 0: The, the Red Cross rep was like he goes over when he's and he and he says, well, you gotta stay behind this line because they're thinking about bringing the building down. They didn't say what building. They just said bringing a building down. So we're like, okay. You know, we'll take their word before it.
You know, we'll stay behind the line. And he went over and he talked to one of the, through all the commotion. He goes over and he asked 1 of the Red Cross or one of the firefighters what was going on. I guess I don't know if you got an answer or not. He came back over with his hand over the radio and what sounded like a countdown.
And at the last few seconds, he took his hand off and you heard 3, 2, 1, and he was just saying, just run for your life. Just run for your life. And then it was like another 2, 3 seconds. You heard explosions like, ba boom. It's like a distinct sound.
It's not like when in compression, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, floors that were dropping and collapsing. This was ba boom. They're like you felt a rumble in the ground, like, almost like you wanted to grab onto something. That, to me, I knew that was an explosion.
There was no doubt in my mind.
@EndWokeness - End Wokeness
These are faces of the 9/11 victims. Harris said January 6th was worse. https://t.co/hoSjoJdsI6
@DefiantWorld - Defiant World
Donald Trump right after the planes hit the twin towers โฌ๏ธ https://t.co/9Ytdsra9Cb
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There's never been anything like this. It's disgraceful, and I hope we attack fast and find out who it is. I have about a 100 men working down here, just to spur them on. I have over a 100 men down here, and I hear you're doing an amazing job.
Men from my company. We have another 100 coming in a little while. They've been down here for about a day and a half. I hope other developers are donating their time. We have a lot of people coming down here, and they're brave guys. A couple of them got hurt.
Ground 0 is a disaster. I've never seen anything like this. I hope we act very quickly and find out who did it. I've donated to the widows and children's fund for the fallen firefighters over the years, and it certainly sounds like a good idea.
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Speaker 0: I think we'll do fine. Donald, what do you think about all this? You're a developer. You've built buildings all your life. Well, there's never been anything like this.
It's disgraceful, and I hope we attack fast. I hope we find out who it is and go fast. Okay. Why'd you wanna come down here today? I have about a 100 men working down here, so just to spur them on.
Hi, folks. Hi. Hi, folks. I have over a 100 men down here in and out, and I hear you're doing an amazing job, so I just wanna get some support. Yeah.
Men from my company. We have another 100 coming in a little while. And how long have they been down here? They've been down here for about a day and a half. What have you talked to other developers?
Are they donating their time, their their men's work? Well, I hope they are. I haven't really focused on that, but we have a lot of people coming down here and a lot of people down here now, and they're brave guys. A couple of them got hurt, but we're, I just wanna spur them on a little bit. What did you think when you heard about this?
I was just down to ground 0. Ground 0 is a disaster. I've never seen anything like this. I hope we act very quickly. I hope we find out who did it and act accordingly and quickly.
Do you have any plans to donate money to the widows and children's fund for the fallen firefighters? Certainly been I've done it over the years, and it certainly sounds like a good
@iluminatibot - illuminatibot
Itโs September 12, 2001, and this CSPAN caller has a nightmarish story to tell. Out of all the things he said, what stands out to you? https://t.co/T2siiAI6wu
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I shared a powerful story about Howard Lutnick, who lost over 650 employees, including his brother and best friend, during the September 11th attacks. Faced with the choice to shut down his company or support the families of his fallen colleagues, he chose the latter, ultimately generating hundreds of millions of dollars. His resilience and leadership exemplify the American spirit, showcasing an incredible comeback. I believe Howard's journey will inspire you to strive for personal growth and compassion. Enjoy!
@APompliano - Anthony Pompliano ๐ช
This is the most powerful story of the year. @howardlutnick watched as more than 650 of his employees died during the September 11th attacks, including his brother and his best friend. Howard is then faced with a decision โ shut down his company or use the business to generate hundreds of millions of dollars for the families of his dead colleagues. This story is the epitome of the American spirit. Howard doesn't quit, but instead uses his skills, talent, and leadership to create one of the greatest comebacks in modern history. I promise Howard's story will challenge you to be a better human. Enjoy!
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We were an incredibly successful company, growing rapidly. I had my friends and their friends working with me. I felt like I had won in life. But then 9/11 happened. My brother, my best friend Doug, and 656 other employees were killed, essentially everyone who was in the office.
I decided we had to take care of their families by giving 25% of our profits to them. The media attacked me, but my employees stepped up, even taking pay cuts to contribute. We rebuilt the company, and I gave my $100 million safety net to the families and sent them the money they would have made.
Later, when we took a division public, I returned all their donations. I was able to square up with my employees so I could go on to be successful. Now my employees own 30% of my companies. They saved my life.
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Speaker 0: We're only hiring our friends. I own the company. I'm putting all my money into the company. The company's incredibly successful. It's killing it.
We are growing fast and furious. I'm hiring all the talent in the world. We're making a million a day. That's a lot. 2,000.
Well, I'm a super rich guy. I have the famous hundred million dollars set aside just in case. Like, super rich, super rich. And the rest of my money, just feed the beast. Feed the beast.
Golden goose. Feed the golden goose. Kenneth Fitzgerald has no debt. Howard Lutnick has no debt. Why make a lot of money?
Why would I need debt? Right? No debt. Rock star company winning in every way on the top of the World Trade Center have expanded, expanded, expanded. Hundred and first to the hundred and fifth was the World Trade Center.
Speaker 1: Right? September 11. I've hired all my friends. My brother works there.
Speaker 0: My best friend, Doug, works there. My roommate from college, his brother works there. My other best friend, his brother-in-law works there. And my other best friend, his brother-in-law works there. I turned 40 that summer.
So before then, it's February. I'm gonna turn 40 during the summer. I declare victory. I win in life. I'm making all the money in the world.
It's my company. I work with all my friends, and they work with all their friends. Everybody works with their friends.
Speaker 1: K? I win. I take each of
Speaker 0: my senior executives, six of them, out to dinner alone, each one alone. I get up from my table. I walk around the other side,
Speaker 1: and I kiss him.
Speaker 0: I tell him I love him. I said, but I win. So here's and I give him each, I don't know, $2,025,000,000 bucks worth of stock. I said, I win. So here's the way it's gonna go.
Every day my kids are out of school. I'm out. I'm gonna live my life with my kids. When they're in, I'm in.
Speaker 1: Same as
Speaker 0: I always am, but I'm just gonna be out way more often.
Speaker 1: You guys are great. Here's stock.
Speaker 0: I give them
Speaker 1: mine. K. That's April.
Speaker 0: I have my birthday party. That's summer. About 65 couples are my birthday party. So my fortieth birthday.
Speaker 1: So your fortieth birthday, a hundred and twenty people come?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. 20, hundred 30 people. It's a nice party, and and it's September 11. It's July.
July fourteenth is my birthday. And, three months later, 20 people at
Speaker 1: my party get killed. It's my friends.
Speaker 0: My brother gets killed, and my best friend Doug gets killed. All those people I listed before, they all get killed. We employ 50 sets of brothers, and we lose, you know, more than a dozen brothers. Meaning mom loses two two sons.
Speaker 1: I have I have one father who lost two daughters because they work together. And six hundred fifty eight people out of nine
Speaker 0: I have nine hundred and sixty in New York. Six hundred fifty eight people get killed. Six hundred fifty eight people get killed.
Speaker 1: Why not all 900?
Speaker 0: Whoever wasn't in the office. So every single person who was in the office gets killed. There's no way out. Mhmm. I am here because I'm taking that oldest boy who I held up, First day kindergarten.
Five years old. Mhmm. Kindergarten, new school. It's called Horace Mann. Ninetieth Street.
First day is September 12. My best friend, Doug, his son's first day. My first day is September 11. Tom, not there. His kid's first day,
Speaker 1: September 12. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: If I
Speaker 1: had
Speaker 0: gone to by the way, and he pushed me to
Speaker 1: try to go to that school called Riverdale, which,
Speaker 0: you know, great school. But I for whatever reason, I chose Horace Mann, and that choice saved my life because his school started the twelfth, so he was on in the eleventh. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And he and he got killed. He was planning to take the next day off. He had to
Speaker 0: take his kid to school. So I'm at the school, and those days when you took a picture Mhmm. When you developed the picture, it often had the time stamp in the lower right hand corner and, like, an LED display, like your LED clock. And I have a that picture is 08:46 of me and my boy, him wearing his, like, little backpack with his little hair right in front of the school. Right?
I have that picture.
Speaker 1: And, and then I
Speaker 0: go up in the school, and then they tell me a plane hit the building. But I think it's like a Piper Cub or something. So I get in the car, and I drive. I tell my driver,
Speaker 1: you know, let's go
Speaker 0: to Fifth Avenue because that's the soonest place where you can see the tower. I mean, I've been working there my whole life, and I
Speaker 1: know,
Speaker 0: I know the building by heart. And, I I see just fire and smoke just pouring out of my tower, the one with the antenna on the top. So I'm in the top floors, and my driver starts crying. And then he starts crying hysterically. Let's just get there.
Let's just get there. We have to get there. We have to get there. He's a retired police officer, detective. So he uses his badge, and we get all the way to the building.
And I get out of my car and I go to the door, and it's a door on Church Street, you know, on this side. And and I'm grabbing people asking
Speaker 1: them what floor they're on.
Speaker 0: I just keep grabbing them. Because I know there's, like, 20 doors.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. And
Speaker 0: if I get one coming out of this door, then they're pouring out of all the doors. Mhmm. And, and I have everyone yelling out the floors. And people didn't have anybody standing around. They had no idea what to do, so they were all yelling out the floors.
And the highest floor I got to was 90 Second Floor. And then, and then I hear the loudest sound I've ever heard in my life. Now I haven't seen this. Remember, there's no video. There's no time.
I got a flip phone at the time. That's so, I start running. I'm dressed like this. Suit and tie, shoes on. I'm running my ass off.
Running as hard as I freaking can. From what? I don't know. I look over my shoulder. Tornadoes chasing me.
Remember that black cloud? You guys have seen the video? So I'm running I'm running all my might. Now I've I've gone from a sunny day in New York City
Speaker 1: Mhmm. With a blue sky to hearth film. I'm in a suit in a Hartfield, and
Speaker 0: we all know how the guy in the suit with the Hartfield works out. So it's not a pretty sight. So I'm running. The tornado's coming. I see it coming from the right.
So I dive under a car. And then whoosh, all black.
Speaker 1: The world's black. My eyes are open. It's black. I think to myself, I'm dead. Mhmm.
This is dead. I mean, it's black
Speaker 0: and silent. So I go like this. And I stab myself in the eyes.
Speaker 1: It hurts. So then I figure, okay, I'm not dead.
Speaker 0: I'm blind and deaf. I'm not blind and deaf, but I'm alive.
Speaker 1: So I get up, and of course
Speaker 0: I'm hiding under a car. And I slam my head, like, so hard, you know, and now I'm now I feel the blood like running down my face. So I like I climb out, and I stand
Speaker 1: up. And then I start to run. But of course, it's pitch black. So what do you think I run into?
Speaker 0: Parked car. Just hammer into some park I'm like running in the pitch black, and I just run into some parked car. So I I hit the right quarter panel, the things go flying over the hood, smash those. So now I'm like, now now I'm like, I get up for the ground. I'm like, I'm bleeding.
I'm limping. All seldom posed. Right? This is all just happened to me. And I'm walking in the darkness
Speaker 1: away from the World Trade Center. And so I just I just walk. And, and eventually, you know, the black turns to gray, and you
Speaker 0: can see it. It literally drops down. And and the event, of course, was the collapse of two World Trade Center. If one World Trade Center collapsed, I don't tell the story. If I run that way, I die.
If I run that way, I die. I just ran this way. My driver ran that way too, but I I didn't see him. I just found him. My half hour later, he he found me, and
Speaker 1: we walked up town till people were clean.
Speaker 0: And then so there's this line on a payphone, and, and this woman's talking on the phone. So I go up to the front of the line, and I you know, remember, I'm I'm I'm, like, covered like, it looks like I was flushed down some, chimney a bunch of times, plus I'm bleeding down my face and limping. I'm like I'm like a I am a horror movie, but now I'm like the character in the horror movie instead of so I just hang up the phone from her, and I take the cradle out of her hand. And she turns around at me
Speaker 1: and starts cursing at me. Then she looks at me and goes back sway, and I call my wife. It's been, like, two hours. I call her, and she hears my voice, and she makes this noise that I'll never forget. And
Speaker 0: because she said when she was watching on TV when the when the trade center collapsed, she knew I'd be in the building. She knew I'd be there. And so she said when that collapsed, she fell to the ground and she thought I died. And it was two hours. So when I called her, she made this noise, you know, because
Speaker 1: she she understood what it was that
Speaker 0: people died. And then then I told her everybody's dead. It was in the building. Because I I felt I was suffocating to death outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So I didn't buy this whole rescue recovery stuff for my people who are up a quarter mile.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Nobody survived. Nobody survived.
Speaker 0: So the only people who lived were either in the lobby. Mhmm. So think of my my my lawyer, my general counsel.
Speaker 1: He was in the elevator going up from one to
Speaker 0: 78 was like a speed elevator, big speed elevator, and then you switched and you had a sky lobby and you switched. So he's in the big elevator, plane hits the building. Elevators, don't collapse. They have, like, a mechanical arm that goes out like this and slows it down and rolls it down, and then the doors open. He goes running out of the elevator.
Fireball from the gas falling down, explodes through the lobby. Fireball goes across the front of the elevator. He's running out. Fireball runs out. Glass goes flying by.
He steps out, gets covered in blood. So think about it. He stepped out between the glass and the blood and gets splattered with blood. So I call my wife. I'm talking to my wife.
She says, Steven is alive, and he lives in the village. So I walk to the village. Wow. Okay. Well So I walk.
Speaker 1: I I go to his apartment. I ring I ring the bell.
Speaker 0: He answers his door. He's covered in blood. This is like three hours after the attack. He said, guy's covered in blood. So I grabbed my are you alright?
You alright? He goes, yeah. Yeah. I'm alright.
Speaker 1: Whose blood is it? He goes, I don't know. He's in his apartment. He could wash his face, but he's so in shock. He's he's just wandering around.
Speaker 0: And, and then there's the TV, and I look on
Speaker 1: the TV and I see the giant plane at the building for the first time. So,
Speaker 0: you know, that day I lost, I lost everybody in the office, 658 spectacular human beings, out of 960. And the only reason the other people didn't die is because they weren't at work yet. They were so if you think about it, on Wall Street, the show is on at about, you know, 07:15, seven thirty latest. So everybody who's a moneymaker is
Speaker 1: in. So who comes in, like, after 08:45?
Speaker 0: Finance department, compliance department, legal department. You know, all the support staff comes in later, but all the talent of revenue comes in when the show's on.
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Right? So I lost everybody who made money
Speaker 1: in New York,
Speaker 0: and we were hub and spoke. You know? And the hub is obliterated from
Speaker 1: the face of the Earth. So the challenge of survival becomes
Speaker 0: infinite because everybody who's alive
Speaker 1: thinks they're still gonna get paid, and there is no revenue. It's gone. It's gone. So I
Speaker 0: try to figure out what to do. And remember, these 658 people, these are my colleagues, and they're my coworkers, but they're my friends. And they're everybody's friend. Everybody who survives, best friend, college roommate, brother-in-law, everybody had that relationship. It wasn't one big happy family.
Speaker 1: We were like,
Speaker 0: you know, and, so we've gotta take care of their families. We we we have to. But how? I I can't we have no money. We went from making a million a day to losing a million a day in like that.
Right? Because all these people are alive. You gotta pay them. You know, all the other offices around the world, you gotta pay them. You gotta pay rent everywhere else.
Speaker 1: You gotta pay them. What money? No money. So we come up with our plan. We'll try to rebuild the company, and we'll give 25% of our profits to the families.
But you came up with this plan just real quick. You came up with this plan
Speaker 0: that night. Right? Didn't you do a phone call
Speaker 1: with the employees that were remained that night? So I I don't I don't know. It was probably the twelfth
Speaker 0: at night, because I doubt I was capable of doing anything the eleventh at night, but I can't remember. We did a phone call with everybody at the firm, and we put it out on the news. If you work at Canavan's Children, call this number. Because, like, we have no HR department. I have no one's phone number.
I don't know. You know? But the women, they, you know, they went to their mother's house when their husband gets killed. You go to your mother's house, so I'm I'm never gonna find them. Mhmm.
I I get everyone on the phone and say, we have two choices. We can shut the firm down and go to our friends' funerals because there's gonna be 20 funerals a day every day for thirty five straight days. Like, thirty five straight days. Like, I couldn't even go to my friends' funerals because they would be literally my best friend from college's brother and my other best friend's brother-in-law were buried, had their funeral in different funeral homes, one in Westchester and one in Manhattan at the exact same second. So I went to one and my wife went to one.
I couldn't even go to my friend's funeral. Man, how horrible is that? So, you know, we we decided or we'll go back to work and we'll have to work harder than we've ever worked before in our lives, But we gotta do it to take care of their families. And so we decided we would give 25% of our profits to the families. We'd pay for their health care for ten years, and I promised them all it would be at least a hundred thousand of family.
Because if I didn't make enough profits in five years, I'll work for the rest of my life for it. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And so we announced that, and a weird thing happens. The media, which had said lovely things about us, you
Speaker 0: know, trying to rebuild the company, trying to take care of the families, and they had the mass murder of 658 people who worked for us.
Speaker 1: They say because a a guy
Speaker 0: who looks like me can't be a human being, can't actually cry, can't actually be a person.
Speaker 1: Just you're not lying. So
Speaker 0: he must be lying. He's crying crocodile tears. The murder of my brother, my best friend, all all my surrounding people, and all the people I hired is insufficient to get a guy who wears a suit
Speaker 1: to cry. So I'm crying crocodile tears because I'm giving 25%
Speaker 0: of our profits. But, of course, there's never too many profits. So 25% of
Speaker 1: nothing is nothing. Bill O'Reilly every night, death threats, calling me names. Rosie O'Donnell, calling
Speaker 0: me names. Everybody's calling me names. All I did was have everyone around me get killed, and I tried to help them. But, you know, the media builds you up and then they whack you down. And so but we have a different
Speaker 1: idea. We have 25% of our payroll.
Speaker 0: All my employees who we hire, we say, look. We gotta take care of the families. So if I'm trying to hire you for $200, I can only pay a hundred and 50. But when it take $50, I'm gonna send it to the families. Every two weeks, we're gonna just send the money.
We're just gonna send the money. You know, I think we send it every month. We just send the money. And,
Speaker 1: we send the money. And then three or four people who we hired said yes. And the one out
Speaker 0: of four, they just didn't take the job. It was okay. Like, if that's not your gig,
Speaker 1: don't come. So everybody who comes, think about Lawson. They're giving 25% of their pay to someone they don't even know because I asked them to. I mean, they're this
Speaker 0: is this is a story of a miracle. I have another story. My, so we have a big we have a
Speaker 1: big memorial in Central Park.
Speaker 0: Rudy Giuliani comes comes on the backstage, comes up on the stage, and there's 5,000 people there. 658 people have husbands, wives, sons and daughters, friends, cousins, they don't. He walks out. He comes up to my ear. He goes, where the fuck are all these people?
Because he thought he was, like, going to some little you know? And, so we have this big memorial in my LA office, my most productive office in the hub and spoke. Right? LA. These guys make millions, and now the firm is destroyed.
They could easily go across the street, set up shop, work for anybody else. They pay them
Speaker 1: a fortune to come, and and I know they're gonna leave. So they said to me, we're gonna close the office. We're coming in for the memorial, and we need to see you. So we go to the memorial,
Speaker 0: and then they said they're gonna come over my apartment. And my my heart is exploding out of my chest because I know what's gonna happen. They're gonna come in, they're gonna tell me that they're leaving.
Speaker 1: And then the whole thing
Speaker 0: is gonna unravel, and I can't do any path. I walk into my living room. There's 12 of them. And them closing the offices is not a good thing right now. I'm not gonna look they come in, and they surround me, so we never leave it.
See, this is not this is not what people do. This is what superhuman people do. This is what heroes do. Stupid science. So they they stayed.
And I would it was on their shoulders we're able to rebuild the company, then we hired all these other people and we, we rebuilt the company. The press beat the crap out of us. When did it stop? The October. I take my hundred million.
Remember that hundred million just in case? Well, I got the hundred million just in case.
Speaker 1: I sent it to the families. Just give it away.
Speaker 0: I give it directly to them. I pay them their bonus for 2,001. Kenneth Fitzgerald's not gonna pay a bonus. There's no money. It's out of business.
It's destroyed, true. And so I send them the money that they would have made had they lived, and I send them my money.
Speaker 1: And then the media just stops because what what do you what do you do with someone who
Speaker 0: does what they say they're gonna do? That's, like, crazy. The guy actually says what he's gonna do after everybody's been murdered. What a shock. So they leave me alone.
And then at the end of the year because now I'm paying the families once a month. I'm sending them money. The employees are, you know, we're gonna survive and the the business is, you know, surviving. Let's not overdo it. There's no profits, by the way.
Because if you think about it, you say, well, how are you gonna make a profit? The Financial Times, you know, the sort of the orange pinky newspaper names me the man of the year. Like, I don't know, Angela Merkel tip is another year, you know, like and then, The New York Times writes a multi thousand word apology to me, 01/03/2002. Basically, the man who did what he said he would do as if that's a high moral bar. You just do what you say you're gonna do.
So company survives.
Speaker 1: And then to end that story for you, so we do that for five years.
Speaker 0: We give the families a hundred and $80,000,000
Speaker 1: and pay for
Speaker 0: their health care for ten years. So now it's 02/2008. The financial crisis is going on, but but we avoid it. We understand it. I see it coming.
We avoid it, and and we're we're making real money. So one of our divisions is now strong enough to take and go public. It's called BGC. I named it after Bernie Cantor's initials. B Gerald Cantor, Bernard Gerald Cantor.
Still public. It's worth about 5,000,000,000 now. And it's strong enough to take it public. And so we do an IPO, but but a very different kind of IPO. So the pages and pages of selling shareholders.
So what I do is I take my shares, and I pay all the employees back who donated. Remember that employee who gave $50? And the next year, they got a raise. So they paid 55, and then they paid 16, and then they paid 65, and they paid 70. And they gave, I don't know, $300,000 over those five years to the families.
They don't even know them. How great is that person? How am I supposed to go on with my life and be a rich guy? When I have these people who gave so much. So I give them at the IPO, we sell about a hundred and $80,000,000 worth of shares, and I give them back all their money, which was not the deal.
They didn't expect it. And then I give them on top of that. So I sell my shares and give them the money, and then I give them all another hundred and $80,000,000 worth of shares. So they should have, I could say thank you. So they doubled their money.
So their generosity doubled their money,
Speaker 1: and, and I squared it with them.
Speaker 0: So I could go on with my life. I could become successful as I have become. And, but I'm square with my employees.
Speaker 1: And, okay. What's the turnover of the firm? Low.
Speaker 0: Lowest in the world. What percentage of the company do the employees own a BGC? 30%.
Speaker 1: Now they never sell. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Why? And then I have it's twenty years later, but I have lots of new people. But the new people, like, they go out with the old people, and they, like, get the story of the company. And and so the company is owned. Who works for who?
Right. My employees own 30% of
Speaker 1: the public company. So I work
Speaker 0: for them. They work for me. So when I go and say, like, you know, I go on, like, I don't know, CNBC
Speaker 1: and I say, I've got
Speaker 0: the best employees. You know, people think, nah. He's just a CEO. It's like platitudes.
Speaker 1: No. I, Kenneth and Charlotte,
Speaker 0: we have the best employees because
Speaker 1: these
Speaker 0: are the greatest. See, they stitched my soul back together
Speaker 1: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: On their shoulders with their money. They saved my life, and I am forever indebted to my employees because they are superhuman, spectacular.
Speaker 1: But so are you.
Speaker 0: Thank
Speaker 1: you. Right? It kind of in that entire story, it takes both sides.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I don't tell that story too often. It doesn't really it's kinda it's kinda my,
Speaker 1: But, like, if you if
Speaker 0: you think twenty three years later, I'm not gonna cry. I'm in a beast. But I'm not supposed to cry.
Speaker 1: What you have to do what you have to do is come up with a hundred million dollar idea this week, and you'll be okay. The, the no. But I do think that there is in these stories, you know, one of the interesting things about leadership is, like, it is in service to other people. And so you took care of employees and employees took care of you, and it kinda nets out positive. And so you get loyalty in both directions because you're just as loyal to them as they are to you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So that's you know, so I have we have two public companies, and the employees own 30% of both because one spun off with the other.
Speaker 1: So all my
Speaker 0: employees, they own it. They it's cool. It's it's why I'm religiously in favor of your employees owning your company.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Because it
Speaker 0: you know, I love the idea of I'm the boss, and you own the company. So who works for who? Mhmm. Right?
Speaker 1: Think about it.
Speaker 0: Let's say, I screw all the employees. We're gonna pay you all less, and all your stock goes up, and you get the same exact amount of money back in the afternoon. How dumb could you be? Mhmm. Right?
You're so aligned
Speaker 1: that you all work together.
Speaker 0: It's it's how it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be. Mhmm.
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I learned that Donald Trump is likely to appoint Howard Lutnick, the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, as Commerce Secretary. Lutnick impressed CNBC hosts with his insights on using tariffs as a negotiation tool. He tragically lost 658 employees in the 9/11 attacks, including friends and family, but his sonโs first day of kindergarten saved his life. Lutnick successfully kept his firm afloat and has committed to supporting the families of his lost employees by distributing 25% of the companyโs profits and providing health care for a decade, totaling $180 million.
@CollinRugg - Collin Rugg
NEW: Donald Trump is expected to pick Cantor Fitzgerald CEO Howard Lutnick as Commerce Secretary, according to Punchbowl. Here is Lutnick blowing the minds of CNBC hosts as he explained how Trump will use tariffs as a negotiation tactic. Lutnick lost 658 employees in the 9/11 attacks in 2001, including friends and family members. His sonโs first day of kindergarten is what saved his life. Lutnick managed to save his financial trading firm which still thrives to this day. As a debt of gratitude, Lutnick decided to take care of the families who lost loved ones at his firm, offering them 25% of the companyโs profits along with health care for 10 years. Lutnick has distributed $180 million to the families of the victims.
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Tariffs are a crucial bargaining tool in international trade, particularly for American auto manufacturers like Ford and GM, which face 100% tariffs in Europe and Japan. If the U.S. imposes similar tariffs, it will prompt negotiations, leading to reduced tariffs abroad and allowing American companies to compete. The focus should be on protecting American workers and promoting domestic production. While tariffs can generate revenue, their primary purpose is to create fair competition. Historically, the Marshall Plan allowed countries like Germany and Japan to rebuild their economies without facing U.S. tariffs. However, after decades, it's time to reassess why these countries still impose high tariffs on American goods while the U.S. remains open to their markets.
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Speaker 0: And, of course, it's a bargaining chip. We can sell a Ford or GM in Europe. You go to Europe, you can't sell a Ford or GM. Why? There's a 100% tariffs.
How about in Japan? A 100% tariffs. So do you think if we said, we're gonna tariff you the way you tariff us. Do you think they're gonna allow Mercedes and all these Japanese companies and Porsches and BMWs to all of a sudden have 100% tariffs in America? Of course not.
They're gonna come and negotiate, and their tariffs are gonna come down. And finally, Ford and General Motors are gonna be able to sell in these places. How's that sound? Of course, they're gonna come down. What of course.
This is just negotiating. It absolutely makes sense.
Speaker 1: If you do it strategically, if it's across the board, it creates a real problem. And the question is whether you believe the president is going to do it strategically or across the board. He keeps saying it across the board.
Speaker 0: Well, when you're running for office, you make broad statements so people understand you. Right. K? Tariffs are an amazing tool by the president to use. They're an amazing tool, but he understands don't tariff stuff we don't make.
Right? If we don't make it and you wanna buy it, I don't wanna put the price up there. It's pointless. But use tariffs to build in America. If we wanna make it in America, tariff it, or if we're competing with the traffic.
But you gotta remember, we need to protect the American worker. Finally, someone's gonna protect the American worker. You think? And Donald Trump is here to protect the American worker.
Speaker 1: A lot of money in tariffs or if they're used as negotiating tactics. Look. Tariffs will come down there. We're not gonna have super high tariffs here either. There's not gonna be a big pot of
Speaker 0: money at the end of the day. I I I love that story. So which is it? Do we make
Speaker 1: a lot
Speaker 0: of money on tariffs? Or Yeah. We we bring, productivity here Right. And we drive up our our workers here. So it's a win win scenario.
I like both of them. I think what's going to happen is we'll make a bunch of money Mhmm. On the tariffs, but mostly, there's everybody else is gonna negotiate with us, and we will be more fair. In 1948, right, we came up with something called the Marshall Plan. Right?
The the world, Germany and and and Japan were destroyed after World War 2, and we wanted to export our economy to them. So we made a rule. They could tariff us, and we won't tariff them. So they can rebuild
Speaker 1: best explanation I've heard of
Speaker 0: So they can rebuild their economy. We rebuilt their economy using something called the Marshall Plan. Yeah. Our economy is so awesome that we'll use it to help you rebuild. When should that have ended?
What do you think? 1980? Right? 1985? I mean, why 40 years are Japan and Germany and all of Europe still tariffing the heck out of our auto industry, tariffing the heck out of our furniture industry.
Do you realize all your furniture you're buying that's made foreign? It it seems crazy. Why? It's because they tariff us, and we don't tariff them. It's so obvious.
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Thatโs because Marco Rubioโs biggest donor is literally a Mossad exec from Greater Miami Jewish Federation, Norman Braman, its former President.
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BREAKING: Tulsi Gabbard has been confirmed to be President Trump's director of national intelligence (DNI). Gabbard is a lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserve and served as a Democratic congresswoman before leaving the party. Well deserved. https://t.co/PqPft19EgQ
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๐จBREAKING: Full RFK Jr. Victory Speech after being sworn in as America's newest Health Secretary. Very powerful speech! Must watch๐ฅ https://t.co/QzLP7fqjD5
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I want to thank President Trump for this opportunity, and my family for their support. My first time in the Oval Office was in 1962 when I met with my uncle, President Kennedy, to discuss the environment. For twenty years, I've prayed for the chance to end the childhood chronic disease epidemic. President Trump is keeping every promise he's made to me and is a pivotal historical figure who will transform this country, despite the rise of totalitarianism and attacks on our Constitution.
We need a leader with the strength to challenge orthodoxies and vested interests. President Trump is that hero. I appreciate his decision to terminate USAID, which has been captured by the military-industrial complex. We need to address the institutions stealing the health of our children.
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Speaker 0: I wanna begin by thanking president Trump for giving me this extraordinary opportunity, and I I wanna introduce my family and thank them for being here. My wife, Cheryl, my cousin, Anthony Shriver, my daughter, Kik, my other daughter, Kira, Carolina Carlin. Carolina Shriver, Joey Shriver, Jackson Hines, and Emerilis Kennedy. Alright. And I wanna thank all of you for your support and, throughout this whole two and a half year journey.
I would I I my first time in this Oval Office was in 1961, and I came here to meet my or in 1962. I came here and I had a meeting with my uncle who was president and where we talked about the environment. He was involved deeply as we all know in restoring physical fitness in this country. He challenged at one point during his administration, he challenged Americans to do a 50 mile walk, which I ultimately did. But I remember the day that my father completed his walk.
We were staying at, at, up at, Camp David, and my father came in after eighteen hours walking on the CNO Tow Pass with his feet bleeding and blisters on them. My father had a one of his best friends was Al Lowenstein. And Al Lowenstein also ultimately was a congressman from New York who was assassinated himself in 1980. But Al Lowenstein had started the dumb Johnson movement to get rid of president Johnson and and end the Vietnam War. And at the time that he started it, people just thought it was a fool's errand.
And, ultimately, he asked my father to run for president against Johnson. My father wouldn't do it at that time, and he asked, Gene McCarthy. McCarthy did it, and he joined that campaign. And my father ultimately ran, and Johnson then dropped out. So Al Lowenstein succeeded.
And although Al Owenson was on the other side now running against my father with Gene McCarthy, my father wrote him a note, a quote from Emerson where he said, if a single man land himself firmly on his own ideal and there abide, the whole wide world will come around to him. For twenty years, I've gotten up every morning on my knees and prayed that God would put me in a position where where I can end the childhood chronic disease epidemic in this country. On August twenty third of last year, God sent me president Trump. Alright. And he gave me He's now given me he's kept every promise that he's made to me.
He's kept his word in every account and gone way beyond it. I'm so grateful to you, mister president. A lot of people told me that I couldn't trust president Trump. I better get it in writing. And we did a handshake, and everything that he told me he was gonna do, he has done.
And, I'm so grateful to him, and I've told you before. I genuinely believe that you are a pivotal historical figure, and you are gonna transform this country at a time when we see all of the indigent democracy now in tatters in our country. We see the rise of the military industrial complex, the rise of totalitarianism, these attacks on our constitution, and this breathtaking epidemic that is disabling our people. President Trump has promised to restore the American dream in this country. A healthy person has a thousand dreams.
A sick person only has one. 60 percent of our population has only one dream as they get better. President Trump has promised that he's gonna restore America's strength, but we can't be a strong nation if we have a weak citizenry. If people are sick, sixty percent of our our people are sick. Seventy seven percent, as president Trump mentioned, our children cannot qualify for military service.
And we need a man on a white horse now. We need somebody who who is willing to come in and has the spine and the guts and the strength to challenge orthodoxies to stand in the way of vested interest, and to break institutions that have turned against our democracy. President Trump has shown again and again. He is that hero. And most recently, I greatly appreciate and I called you the day that you announced the termination of USAID.
My uncle started USAID in 1961 for humanitarian purposes to put our country on the side of the poor, it has been captured by the military industrial complex. It has become a sinister propagator of totalitarianism across and war across the globe. And very few people understand how sinister this agency really is. And President Trump saw that and he stood up to it with a master stroke. And we want to do the same thing with the institutions that are stealing the health of our children.
We need a revolutionary figure and you are that figure and I'm very grateful for you for giving me this opportunity. Some of the allies that I've had in this battle for a long time are Senator Rand Paul, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Roger Marshall, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Buddy Carter, who have all been champions of the MAHA agenda before I even came along. I'm very grateful for you for standing strong. Thank you very much, President.
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Did you know that 4,000 Jews were warned NOT TO GO TO WORK on September 11, 2001? https://t.co/4PjZ993NXX
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A Jerusalem Post article reported that the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem received names of 4,000 Israelis believed to be in the area of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon during the 9/11 attacks, based on calls from concerned families. However, only three or four Israelis reportedly died.
An Israeli instant messaging service called Odigo allegedly sent a warning two hours before the attacks, advising people not to go to the World Trade Center due to an impending catastrophe. The company's vice president stated the prediction's timing was exact. The message, sent in Hebrew via a buddy system, was reportedly receivable on various platforms like Blackberry and cell phones.
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Speaker 0: Were reported to have been at the World Trade Center that day. It it's a this is a Jerusalem Post article, and it says that the foreign ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the area of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack. Now that's how many people called in. How many families called in and said, I'm worried about Shalom. I'm worried about this guy.
I'm worried about that guy. My son is there. My husband is there. But what happened of of those 4,000 people who were supposedly there, only three or four died. Three or four Israelis died in the whole operation.
Well, how did they, you know, how did how did they avoid harm? Well, what what clearly happened also is that there was an instant messaging service called Odigo, an Israeli instant messaging service, that sent out a warning two hours before 09:11 happened, warning people not to go to the World Trade Center that day cause there would be a catastrophe there. And the the vice president of the company said that the the prediction, the time was exact to the minute. So 08:45. Right?
And the message was sent out on a platform that you could receive through your Black berry or your Blueberry or your cell phone or your Internet, whatever. And so all platforms. But it was sent out in Hebrew, and it was sent out using a buddy system where you can say, I'm gonna send this message to
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Curt Weldon, a former congressman, claims the Bush administration retaliated against him for questioning the 9/11 report by targeting his family and ending his political career. At 77, he aims to reveal the truth about the events of September 11, 2001. Key topics discussed include the potential for CIA intervention, intimidation tactics by the FBI, the legitimacy of the 9/11 Commission, and the implications of these revelations for America's future. Richard Gage supports Weldon's efforts, referencing a firefighter's statement before the South Tower's collapse.
@TuckerCarlson - Tucker Carlson
After twenty years in congress, Curt Weldon was about to become chairman of the House Armed Services Committee when he publicly questioned the accuracy of the 9-11 report. In retaliation, the Bush administration sent federal agents to his daughterโs house and ended his political career. At 77, Weldon has decided to tell the truth about what actually happened on September 11, 2001. (0:00) Introduction (2:33) Why Did They Oust Weldon? (7:12) Could the CIA Have Prevented 9-11? (16:00) How the FBI Tried to Intimidate Weldon (19:23) Did the CIA Lie About Osama bin Ladenโs Location? (25:47) The Real Culprit Behind Americaโs Wars in the Middle East (31:27) Trumpโs Biggest Challenge Right Now (33:11) How the Deep State Undermined Weldonโs Political Career (43:16) Will Weldon Be Killed for Speaking Out? (48:04) Why Hillary Clinton Had to Take Down Gaddafi (49:31) The 9-11 Commission Was a Scam (55:17) The Mysterious Collapse of Building 7 (1:05:13) How Will This Revelation Impact Americaโs Future? (1:07:56) The Bush Administration and China (1:14:32) Why Politicians Are So Scared of Declassifying 9-11 Documents (1:20:14) Where Can Americans Find the Truth About 9-11? Includes paid partnerships.
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Former Congressman Kurt Weldon discusses his views on 9/11, claiming the official narrative is a "cover-up." He says that prior to 9/11, he advocated for a fusion center to share intelligence, but the CIA resisted. Weldon claims the Able Danger team identified Al Qaeda cells, including the New York cell, before 9/11, but were blocked from sharing this with the FBI. He says former FBI Director Louis Free believed this information could have prevented 9/11.
Weldon alleges that after 9/11, he learned Bin Laden was in Iran, not Afghanistan, and that the Bush administration hid this fact. He claims the decision to place Bin Laden in Iran was made by Soleimani, not the Iranian government. Weldon states the 9/11 Commission refused to let him testify. He believes Building 7's collapse suggests controlled demolition. He says two 9/11 hijackers were CIA informants. Weldon says the Bush administration, the FBI, and Karl Rove targeted him after he criticized the official 9/11 narrative, leading to an FBI raid on his daughter's home and his subsequent election loss. He says many current and former officials share his concerns about the 9/11 report.
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Speaker 0: We recorded the interview you're about to watch five days ago, and I've been thinking about it ever since. It's with a former congressman from Pennsylvania called Kurt Weldon. Kurt Weldon was a very significant figure in Washington twenty years ago. He was not some obscure backbencher. He was one of the most powerful Republicans in the congress about to take over the armed services committee until he asked questions about the official story on 09:11.
At which point, the Bush administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her with a crime, and effectively got Kurt Weldon bounced out of congress. I haven't talked to him in twenty years. I didn't know exactly what to expect, but this conversation, the one you're about to see, raises far more questions than I ever anticipated. This is not a crazy person. These are not crazy questions.
He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence of. When it ended, I asked him how many other officials who were in and around Washington during nine eleven have similar questions. And he said to me, as far as I know, all of them, and he's still in touch with a lot of those people. After this conversation, which again we've been thinking about ever since, I thought it might be time to look a little more deeply into the nine eleven commission report. Was it accurate?
Nine eleven changed The United States forever. Those of us who remember it, who lived through it, can tell you this was a different country afterward, completely different, and not a better country. And so there is no more significant historical event in the lifetimes of any living American than nine eleven. And the fact that there are still outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why is troubling. Up until this point, most of the people who've addressed these questions are either crazy or seem slightly crazy.
Now is the time for a sober look, not a wild eyed speculative look, but an honest look and honest conversations with people who participated in the response to that day, government officials. And so we're gonna do that. We are planning right now a multipart documentary series on 09:11, and we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can. And now former congressman Kurt Weldon. Congressman, thank you so much for doing this.
I haven't seen you in twenty years. I one of the last times I thought about you was right around 02/2006, and I'm you had been a frequent guest on the show that I was hosting then, and I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's house. And I thought, man, I was like Kirtweld, and I guess he's corrupt. And then I never heard never heard anything about it, and then you lost that election to a guy who I was that was kind of repulsive. And then probably fifteen years passed, and I thought to myself, wait a second.
Kurt Weldon was the only Republican I'm aware of who criticized The US response, the intel agency's response to nine eleven, who wrote a book blaming elements of the US government for allowing nine eleven to happen and then covering it up. And then right on the cusp of becoming tell me if I'm getting this wrong, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, the FBI raids your daughter's house, and you lose an election in which your opponent has funding from all over The United States. Never no one's ever heard of this guy. He's got more money, and you're out of congress. And I began to think maybe this was a setup, so I thought I would ask you.
Speaker 1: Well, it definitely was, and you're always one of my heroes. I enjoyed your show with Paul Begala and Thanks. When I did had it many
Speaker 0: years ago.
Speaker 1: All the others and enjoyed and and I was always I took my work very seriously. I'm a teacher by profession, youngest of nine kids, firefighter as a volunteer all my life, and that's my devotion even to this day. I don't get any money for it, but it's what I'm committed to and why I care about nine eleven so much. I was at 09:11 I was not 09:11. I was at Trade Center in '93 at the invitation of fire commissioner Howard Safer to go up there and learn about what had occurred the first time they attacked us.
And they introduced me to a young fire officer, former marine, five kids named Ray Downey. He became one of my best friends. Ray told me what he thought we should do. I took his advice seriously and wrote the legislation to create the Gilmore Commission. The Gilmore Commission was chaired by Virginia governor Jim Gilmore, a a man of integrity.
I had him on a podcast last September for twenty minutes, and the Gilmore commission's recommendations were largely what the nine eleven commission took credit for after the fact. One of those recommendations was to have a fusion center of intelligence be put together. At the time I was doing this on behalf of the firefighters to deal with disasters, I was in the position to oversee the funding as the chairman of all military research and technology funding, about a hundred and $80,000,000,000. The services were building information dominant centers. The armies was at Fort Belvoir, and I would get down there regularly and meet with them, and we became good friends.
I didn't bother getting ready into the program. I didn't need to, but I knew what they were using with new software like Starlight Inspires and Fusion and data mining and analysis and and LinkAnalysis. This is gonna be important to prevent what happened in '93. Yes. So I supported
Speaker 0: Which was the first bombing of the world's
Speaker 1: bombing. Right. And as a result, I went to John Hamry, deputy secretary of defense under Clinton, and I said, John, you have to go see what they're doing down there. He did. He called me, said, you're right, mister chairman.
And by the way, John Hamry had endorsed me for chairman of the committee in February as did as did Rumsfeld. Yeah. This is before 09/11, obviously. Both endorsed me publicly. I had their letters.
And he said, but you've gotta convince the CIA and the FBI to let us use their raw data because there are 33 classified systems. And if they don't allow us to use their data, this won't succeed. On November the fourth of nineteen ninety nine, in my office in the Rayburn Building, I had John Hamrae, deputy secretary of defense. I had the deputy director of the FBI, and I had their names, and the deputy director of the CIA. And we talked about the NOAA, National Operation Analysis Hub, policymaker, and warfighters tool to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats, the fusion center.
Hammery said, we need this. I'll I'll manage it. I said, I'll get it funded. The FBI said, great. We're all in.
And the CIA said, we don't want it. We're not supporting it. We're doing something called c I twenty one on our own. I spent two years traveling around the country giving speeches at intelligence forums calling for a fusion center. I put language in two successive defense bills calling for a fusion center.
Nine eleven happens. I get frantic calls from four of those professional staffers at the Able Danger team, which I later learned was the name of this group at Fort Belvoir. We have to see you right away, mister chairman. Scott Philpot, Annapolis grad, navy career, officer, commander of four ships, pleading with me to meet Tony Schaefer, lieutenant colonel, Bronze Star recipient, spy for the military, Aileen Pryce, lieutenant, air force career intelligence officer, expert on computers, and Eric Klein Smith. I met with each of them privately.
They all told me the same story, and they rolled out the charts that I just showed you. Those charts I will make public now because they're not classified. I showed them when I testified before the senate hearing. We identified every cell of Al Qaeda in the world the year before nine eleven. We identified the New York cell, a year before nine eleven.
We knew there was gonna be a problem. The AbleDanger team tried to go to the FBI in just about three times. We have the names. All three times they were stopped. We have the names of the person in the FBI that was told to deny the meetings.
They were not allowed to transfer the information. That information, when I came out with my book, Louie Free, former FBI director, wrote in an op ed in the Wall Street Journal and said on Good Morning America could have prevented nine eleven from happening. That's not me saying that. That's Louie Free. And general Keith Lambert, our general in charge of special operations on horseback, was asked in this award winning book, became a movie, on page 27.
General, what were your thoughts when nine eleven happened? And he said, within seconds, I knew who had done the attack, and I knew it would involve Muhammad Ada. Thirdly, after this all broke and I came out with my book criticizing the agency and started really going crazy protecting these brave heroes that were being abused by defense intelligence. The inspector general for the Pentagon files a whistleblower paper. I have a copy of it.
I'll give it to you. His name is John Crane. He asked for protection because his bosses in DIA refused to allow him to become a whistleblower when he told them that he was told to lie to the congress. He was told to misinform the congress. I have that in writing, Tucker.
The nine eleven commission is a cover up, 1000% cover up. Zelikow was the lead of the cover up.
Speaker 0: Philip Zelikow was
Speaker 1: the Zelikow. He was handpicked by Condoleezza Rice. When when Tony Schaeffer met Zelikow over in Afghanistan, because Zelicow took a team through to see if there were soldiers who had maybe encountered some information about nine eleven in advance. Tony Schafer had been back deployed in Afghanistan at the time, so he told his commanding officer I should talk to them because I was a part of a special team. He met with Zelicow.
They exchanged business cards and Kabul. And Zelicow said to him, lieutenant colonel, you've gotta see me as as soon as you get back to America. It's very important. When Tony went back to The States, they had shut down his office, locked his office, secured all his files, and they then worked to destroy his personal, reputation. They tried to destroy his career.
I went to the floor and did a one hour special order calling it a scandal bigger than Watergate. You can watch the footage. It's available online. I said this is outrageous that the Defense Intelligence Agency is screwing a lieutenant colonel because he's telling the truth about what he was told to talk about when he came back from Afghanistan. Tony Schaeffer then went to work in the reserves because he had been basically harassed by the regular army because of what Zelicow did.
Speaker 0: So so I just wanna back up a couple steps. So you're saying what others have said before, which is that elements of the US government worked really, really hard to hide the fact that they could have prevented nine eleven, that they had all the relevant information and for whatever reason ignored it. But motive really matters here. Do you believe that there were people in The US Government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and didn't share information with other agencies, therefore nine eleven happened, which is basically the conclusion of the nine eleven report, I think? Or do you believe that there were people in the US government who knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen on purpose?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, the nine eleven report has no credibility.
Speaker 0: I I
Speaker 1: don't believe anything that is in that. It's a bunch of garbage. It's a lot of paper that has no substance. And I tend not to want to speculate on things that I can't prove 100% myself Yes. Or I'm not willing to take a polygraph.
What I can tell you unequivocally is there was a cover up. And before I answer your question, I would state one more fact. Tony Schaeffer got approval from his commanding general after this whole whole thing happened to read his memoirs. His memoirs are called Dark Heart. So he wrote the book.
He had a publisher. The publishers he went to his commanding general to review the book as his protocol. His commanding general said, fine, Tony. There's nothing there that's a problem. Publish it.
Tony publishes the book. Our deep state finds out he's publishing the book. A cease and desist order is issued against the publisher. Stop publishing the book. It's too late.
Our government our government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition of Dark Heart with taxpayer money, and they destroy them. So I asked Tony on a show last September as I've done many times. Tony, you have the original version of the book. Right? Yes.
Here it is, congressman. You have the redacted version. Right? Yes. Here it is.
What did they want out of your book that was so sensitive? What secret information were you giving, Tony? What classified information did your boss not see? He said, congressman, the only thing they wanted out of my book was the fact that I named Zellekow and that I briefed him in advance. That, Tucker, is treason.
That means our agencies our agencies use their position not for something involving our national security, but for involving a a cover up of a person's identity who was publicly approved by the congress of the United States appointed by the security adviser to president Bush. It's a massive cover up.
Speaker 0: At what point following nine eleven, since I just wanna restate, you served in congress for about twenty years, I Yep. And you really were at the heart of these questions, national security questions in the congress. You were about to become chairman of farm services. So you're at the top of the pyramid for for receiving relevant intelligence. At what point because you weren't just some random guy at all.
At what point after nine eleven, the attacks of that day, did you realize there's something bad going on here?
Speaker 1: Well, it it started before 09:11 when I realized that the intelligence I was getting as the vice chairman of the committee was not really solid intelligence. I would get better information from Bill Gertz, a reporter that you know Yes. Coming to me with anonymous sources leaking to him Yes. About intel matters. And I would then go to the CIA and say, why am I getting this information from a reporter that I know you're leaking from classified sources that I'm not getting as a member of congress who's the vice chairman of the defense committee?
Are you playing games with me? And they wouldn't answer that. And that's what they do. They play games by manipulating the media to put out a narrative, and then we have to deal with that narrative. So, Tucker, what I did, there's a group in Washington that was known as the cockroaches.
They're a group of people that work for the intelligence agencies that get along socially, and I knew them all. They trusted me. I formed a loose net network of about 15 or 20. We met for breakfast every week in the member's dining room in the capital, and they would feed me raw data. They would feed me raw data, then I would go to the classified briefings using that raw data, and I would ask questions of the CIA in front of the entire committee.
And in many cases, I was the acting chairman because the the chairman wasn't there. So here I am, the acting chairman of the entire committee of armed services that fully embarrassed the, the intelligence agencies. I'll get into that when we talk about the 09:11 information, and post 09:11 where they put Bin Laden. The point is that the agency plays games with congress. The congress thinks it's getting good information, and it's not.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: The agency wants members fighting with each other over stupid things so they can do what they want. And it's not all. There are good people in the agencies Yes. That I worked with, and I would go to go to war over. But there are some scumbags.
I know those scumbags. At the appropriate time, I'll name those scumbags who have made millions and millions of dollars and are making millions and millions of dollars today. They're making it in Ukraine. They're making it around the world because of context they established. And all that ties back to their positions that they got supposedly working intelligence for The US.
That's not what this country's all about. And you asked about my daughter.
Speaker 0: What happened? So give us the timeline. So you 09/11 happens. You keep ascending in congress, and you really and I remember this well because I interviewed you on these topics at the time twenty years ago when your book came out. And you start saying, wait a second, the US government really blew this.
There are people who knew this was happening, was going to happen, and for whatever reason didn't stop it. And you're really the only Republican who's saying this. And then 02/2006, you're up for reelection. It's an even year, of course, and and you're from your district in Pennsylvania after twenty years. And out of nowhere, the FBI raids your daughter's house, and we're all told it's because she's corrupt, you're corrupt, etcetera, etcetera.
And then you lose, and we kind of lose track of you, and Washington goes on as it does, and no one talks about nine eleven again. I think that's fair to say. I mean, I was there. I I remember when all this happened, though. Didn't it all.
I didn't put it together in my head at all until about a year ago. Was thinking about this in the shower. Whatever happened to Kurt Weldon and his daughter? So I go on the Internet. I'm like, is Kurt Weldon's daughter in prison because she's so corrupt?
Like Never talked to. So so what happened?
Speaker 1: So Okay. Well, here's what
Speaker 0: happened. Thousand six.
Speaker 1: In in in 1999 and February, they wanted me to run for chairman of the committee to jump over four or
Speaker 0: five Which committee? The armed services. Yes.
Speaker 1: But in congress, the protocol is you wait few times. So I have letters, which I can show you, Tucker, from Donald Rumsfeld endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee in February.
Speaker 0: Yes. I have
Speaker 1: a letter from from deputy secretary of defense John Hamry endorsing me to become chairman of the committee in February. Dozens and dozens of letters. Then nine eleven happens. I felt personally responsible because I knew that we could have prevented it by the information that the Able Danger team established by general Hugh Shelton had gathered and tried to transfer three times and were blocked. So I said, uh-uh.
I got I owe this to Ray Downey. I'm wearing his jacket today. I owe this to the firefighters in New York and around the country to get to the truth if it's the last thing I do. And I owe it to all those soldiers that we're now sending overseas.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: So what I did, Tucker, I supported George Bush when he said we're going to send our troops over to Afghanistan. He made those heroic comments about we're gonna get them. I took that as a patriotic American and said, yes. We're gonna get them. But I was worried about what the Afghans might do as they did the Russian troops when they were in Afghanistan.
So, Tucker, with Al Santoli, whom you know Yep. And two other members of congress, I privately, without the knowledge of our government or the CIA, I went to, Paris. We met with king Zahir Shah, the king of Afghanistan who was living in exile with his family in Paris. We met with him to convince him to go back to Kabul to convene a lawyer Georgia of all the tribes, to to convince them to accept the American troops before they went in so it wouldn't be like they did with Russia. King Zahir Shah agreed to that.
I'll give you the photographs, Tucker. And I had two members of congress and Al Santoli with me, decorated Vietnam Veteran. Zahir Shah went back. I did all I could to protect our American troops, not the CIA, our troops. Then I find out, my intel team, those 20 people that were feeding me raw data, give me data within months after nine eleven, that Bin Laden's been sited in a town called Ladiz.
I have nowhere no idea where Ladiz is, so I grew up Pennsylvania Avenue to a bookstore and buy a map. I just gave you the map here today, Tucker. You can show it. And I found Ladiz. It's not in Afghanistan.
It's not in Pakistan. It's in Iran, in an area called Balochistan. So I go to the next classified briefing for the full committee. Now I'm the vice chairman of full committee. There are 60 members.
I'm the acting chairman at this time. So I said to the CIA, I have information of bin Laden's in Ladiz. This is their response to me. Mister chairman, we've heard similar reports. We could either confirm or deny them.
I was in shock. I was in shock. We're sending kids to die in Afghanistan, and we can't confirm or deny whether or not Bin Laden's in Ladiz? Three Months go by. I'm still supporting the president.
My intel team comes back to me and say, Kurt, he's being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing, and I ask the question in front of the full committee. And the answer from the CIA is, mister chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny that Bin Laden is being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran while we're sending kids to die in Afghanistan. I said, this is outrageous.
And then, Tucker, I get a call from Jack Murtha, the most respected democrat in the house, former marine, who I worked with closely. And he says to me, I want you to meet with Ron Klink, democrat from Pittsburgh. And Ron Klink's still alive. He'll verify this, Tucker. Jack's dead, but Ron's alive.
He said, Jack has a person who used to work for the agency that has information about Iran. And you investigate this kind of stuff, Kurt. Will you meet with him? I said, sure. Ron Klint comes to my office and brings this very tall man who's a former person from the the Swedish area, but he's a US citizen.
And I said, how can I help you? You know, congressman Murphy asked me to help. Ron Klink wants me to help. He said, congressman, I want you to help me get into Iran. I said, why do you wanna go to Iran?
He said, that's where bin Laden is. I said, why would you tell me that bin Laden's in Iran? He said, I was a knock for the agency. Do know what a knock is?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Nonofficial cover.
Speaker 1: That's right. He said, I was a knock for the agency, and I worked that area. And my friends are seeing Bin Laden in Iran. If you help me get to Tehran, I'll leave my identity there. I'll get a piece of him dead or alive, and I'll bring it back.
At the time, there was a $25,000,000 reward for Bin Laden. I said, can't help you right now because I'm in a battle over this follow-up to 09:11. Then I get another call, Tucker, from the interior department, totally separate. They wanna bring in their top bird man, their bird expert. I didn't think that was unusual because I was a Republican on the migratory bird commission.
The migratory bird commission No. There was a migratory oversees all the flyways for all the refuges up and down the coast. I was a Republican. John Conner's
Speaker 0: like me. Thank you, by the way.
Speaker 1: John John Dingle was a Democrat. Of
Speaker 0: course. I've duck hunted with him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured they wanna talk about birds. I'm on the bird commission. I'll meet with them. So this interior department bird expert brings in a US citizen from Maine who's a Sikh, but he's a US citizen, very wealthy family.
And he's got two falcons on his shoulders, million dollar birds with the blinders on, beautiful, into my office. I said, good boy. They're gorgeous. How can I be? He said, well, congressman, I've devoted my life to falcons.
He said, I helped write the UN protection treaties on falconry. He said, I trained all the children of the royal families in the sport of falconry Yes. Because that's their sport. He said, they all know me. They all trust me.
They all
Speaker 0: In the Arab world. It's huge. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1: He said, so and I wanna help the country, and there's a reward for bin I said, yeah. I know that. He said, I want you to help me go to Iran. I said, why do you wanna go to Iran? Now he knows nothing about anything else I'm doing.
My my falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. You help me go to Iran. They'll accept me there because they know me. I'll tag his birds, and I'll take The US to exactly where he is. That's four four full source identities that Bin Laden was exactly where my intel people said he was.
Over the course of time, Tucker, I developed 10 silver bullets. They want to do a movie about me after they took me out, and I'll get to when they took me out. I got a call from Michael Scheuer. Michael was career CIA. After I was taken out of office, he called my home.
He said, congressman, do you remember me? I said vaguely, Michael. He said, well, I was the chairman of the Bin Laden task force in the CIA, and these people that you've that have met with you have shown me documents I never saw when I was working in the agency, and I was the Bin Laden task force director. He said, we want you to work with us. We want you to be involved in a movie we're doing.
I said, Michael, after what they did to my family, I can't do it right now. I hung up the phone. I get a call from general McInerney. About three months later, Tom McInerney. He said, congressman, you remember?
I said, yes, general. I remember you. He said, I'd I'd like you to work with us, congressman. I'm working with Michael Scheuer and and the Falconer, and we want you to be I said, I'm not getting involved after what they did to my family. They all had the same story, Tucker.
So what was happening in 02/2006? All my elections were landslides.
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Get 25 off. We enjoy them. You will too. Can I just ask you to pause for one second? So you had a lot of evidence, it sounds like Absolute evidence.
That Bin Laden was not in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Right. He was supposedly ultimately killed. Not in Iraq. He was in Iran.
But Iran was also in the crosshairs of the Bush administration. It was part of the so called axis of evil at the time. People were talking about invading Iran then. Why would the Bush administration hide the fact that
Speaker 1: It wasn't the Bush administration. Oh. Let me explain to you. And this is what Trump needs to understand. It started under Clinton when the Clinton administration Bill and Hillary Clinton, I have no respect for, were allowed to be themselves to be used so they could make money.
Tens and tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars because they allowed people, unscrupulous people, to control the agenda in Russia and around the world. And you've been going after some of this involving Russia. I can give you dozens of hard examples.
Speaker 0: I believe it. We've we've talked about this off camera, but I just wanna get to specifically Continued? Who was hiding the fact that Bin Laden was in Iran and why?
Speaker 1: Okay. It continued under Bush junior. Yep. And as I said, up until February, they wanted me to be chairman. All of a sudden, when I started questioning nine eleven, all of a sudden, the Bush people said, woah.
Yeah. I bet. John Sununu, after I was out of office, I had a lot of respect for it was Bush's chief.
Speaker 0: Smart man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. I was in his office, and he's they said this to me. He said, you know, congressman, you were a great member. Everyone respected you, but you made one fundamental mistake.
I said, what was that, John? He said, when you come to the city, you're either on one rail or the other rail, and you went down the middle and took on both rails. I said, well, John, I didn't pledge allegiance to the Republican Party.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I pledged allegiance to the constitution. You guys were ecstatic when I took on the Clintons, when I took on Sandy Berger, when I took on the scumbags and what they did with China and Russia. You were ecstatic. But then when I saw things happening at 09:11, all of us he said, well, that's why you're not here. I said, you know what, John?
So be it. It's not the end of my life. And one day I'll tell the story, John. One day I'll tell the story because that's what America needs to hear. They need members of congress who don't become duped by scumbags and the intelligence agency making money for themselves.
And you know what, Tucker? I challenge them. I'll name them, and I'll give their dollar amounts of where they're making money today in the countries that we're at war with. They care about themselves and their power. They don't care about the lives of the kids that we send to war.
I saw it in Libya. I saw it in North Korea. I led delegations that were bipartisan to all of those places. They took it out on my daughter.
Speaker 0: So I I just wanna get one more time to the question of why who was hiding the fact that Bin Laden was actually in Iran? Our our intelligence agencies. They they have plausible deniability. In the end, I have 10
Speaker 1: silver bullets including two royal family members from two different royal families from two different countries, including in the end, the person that was in the room who was a knock for our government for fifty years. He's not from The US. He's become a friend of mine. He's been to my home. We've met dozens of times.
And on one of my trips to The Middle East, he said to me, you know, he calls you my my dear. You were right. I said, about what? He said, about a lot of things. But you're right about Bin Laden.
I said, what do you mean? He said, well, he was placed in Iran, in Balochistan. He said, I said, well he said I said, you know? He said, yes. I know that.
He said, I was in the room when the deal was cut. The US has plausible deniability. They weren't in the room. Was the point to get to Iraq? The point was to the the point was to manipulate, to get our troops committed, to go over to fight the battles in Afghanistan, Iraq, and that whole region of the world.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And they had to have the justification to do that.
Speaker 0: I believe it.
Speaker 1: But in the end, when five years ago, and even Trump doesn't know this, I'm sure, we killed someone that Trump took great credit for, and I applaud him for it.
Speaker 0: And he said, we killed this guy. Soleimani.
Speaker 1: That's right. Soleimani was the guy the deal was cut with. The deal was not cut with the Iranian government, and we need to understand that. And this is the heart of what we have to get to. The Iranian people are not our enemy.
I wrote this book in 02/2005, Countdown to Tear. It's all about Iran. It says that the people of Iran are not our enemy. And this book was endorsed by Jim Woolsey with a three page letter.
Speaker 0: Former CIA director.
Speaker 1: Former CIA director. This book was endorsed by Al Caravelli, Jack Caravelli, Gore CIA adviser. They both endorsed my book. The book was so popular that the people of Iran published it in Farsi. There it is.
And they published the book. Without my approval, they published my book. It became a bestseller in Iran because it said, you're not the enemy of the American people. Here's what happened, Tucker. When the Shah was in power think back.
We were best friends with Iran. Of course. Our intelligence people trained the Iranian intelligence people. We trained them. They're our people.
When the radical Ayatollahs and the mullahs took over Iran, they did not bring a new intelligence service. They did not change the agency. The IRG stayed the same. The deal to place bin Laden in Iran wasn't cut with the Iranian government. It was cut with Soleimani, and that's why we killed him.
Our intelligence agency has tentacles around the world, and they're not answering to anybody. And that's the problem right now. That's the problem Trump has. Yeah. He can cut off the security clearance of 51, but those that network extends far and wide around the world, and they can play all the games they want in Ukraine, in other countries.
And until we go after that, this is not gonna stop.
Speaker 0: That's consistent all consistent with what I've seen.
Speaker 1: And I
Speaker 0: would say. And that's I don't figure That's not a crazy statement.
Speaker 1: That's the challenge that Trump has right now. I still think he's at risk. Last May, I went on a TV show locally in the Philadelphia area, and I said my greatest challenge is they're gonna try to take Trump out. A month later Yeah. They they did the attack.
You know, it goes back to when Trump first when I kept quiet because I couldn't trust any of the administrations after I left, including the Bush administration, because Bush wasn't in control. And I can give you example after example
Speaker 0: I I saw that.
Speaker 1: Bush not being in control. I knew who was in control. When Trump was going in, I met with Rudy Giuliani. I had two private dinners with him up in New York. I had not known Rudy that well.
I said, Rudy, this is what's gonna happen. The deep state's gonna undermine Trump. They don't want him. They will undermine him by removing his ability to understand how they operate. Before he took office, they took out general Mike Flynn.
Yep. When they took out Flynn, Trump was like a baby in the woods. And for four years, they used the congress and they used their connections to derail this country. That's the problem that occurred in the first Trump four years. This time, I'm trying to get Trump to realize he's he's got a great start, but the people around him don't know what they don't know.
They don't have that historical understanding of what this just didn't happen with Trump. I mean, they took me out in 02/2006.
Speaker 0: So let's get to that. They took you out in 02/2006, and that's kind of where this conversation began. I I remember that very well, and it was like there were pictures on TV. I worked then at CNN. There were pictures of, you know, FBI and their blue jackets outside your daughter's house, and it's like, Kurt Weldon corruption scandal.
And then you lost to Sestak. Is it Sestak who was like a former general and just like a
Speaker 1: He got demoted. He was a three star demoted to a two star. His wife worked on the Clinton Security Council. She had intelligence ties. She still does.
Her name was, I think, Clark. And so he and he was on the NFC
Speaker 0: for But he was, like, the ultimate deep stater.
Speaker 1: Like, on every district. He doesn't live there now. Right. He came into the district to run. He had been in the district, and then he lost, he went back down every chain.
Speaker 0: And all of a sudden I mean, I remember all this really well thinking like
Speaker 1: Well, here's what happened. And then
Speaker 0: he got, you know, massive funding from around the country.
Speaker 1: You know who ran his campaign? His his campaign was managed by the staff director of Sandy Berger's company. Sandy Berger sent his woman to run the Sestac campaign. And I I did a one hour floor speech about Sandy Berger calling him a traitor. Yeah.
And we could talk about really, we
Speaker 0: just I'd like to. I'm I'm just getting far field once again, and my my apologies for that. But okay. So to your daughter and the FBI raid, did you have warning? Like, what No advance what happened?
Speaker 1: No advance warning. We we, you know, the we would have won the election. The polls were in October were showing that we were up by about six or eight points. All my elections have been landslides because I'm moderate Republican. And this one, I would have become chairman of the committee.
No doubts about that. You know, for some reason, the the Sestac campaign was maxed out every week in a TV buy. You know? And three weeks before my election, I get a call on a Monday morning that agents had appeared at my daughter's home at 7AM. And I didn't know what's that all about.
And so I immediately said, cancel the TV ads. My daughter's more important than some TV ads for a campaign, and I didn't know whether she might have done something wrong. I didn't think she would have. And and so we stopped the campaign. But something that I haven't talked about in the past, Tucker, the same time they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my district who's a democrat who, interestingly enough, they shut down his Philadelphia office.
They brought dogs and helicopters and all to downtown Philly, same time. At the time they raided his office, he had been working for FBI counterintelligence against Russia for two years that I had arranged two years earlier. I had arranged two years earlier. Under oath. So the counterintell people handling him went to his office and were sitting with him while these agents from DC come in, and you had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time.
And the counter intel people are saying, don't answer any questions. We don't know what this is, but you're doing work for our country. The other ones don't know why they're sent there. Their first question is, mister Gallagher, isn't it true that you're related to congressman Kurt Weldon? And John starts laughing at them because congressman Walden's wife's last name is the same name as mine, and you're from the FBI?
I know who told them that, Tucker. Wait. So what but what
Speaker 0: was the pretext for raiding your daughter's house?
Speaker 1: There was none. They never talked to her.
Speaker 0: So what was she charged with? What did she go
Speaker 1: They never charged her they never charged her with anything. They never talked to her. There was no charge.
Speaker 0: So the FBI just shows up.
Speaker 1: Shows up, raids, takes boxes out, and then gives her the boxes back unopened, still taped. Nothing. Did when did
Speaker 0: they give the boxes back?
Speaker 1: That was months later.
Speaker 0: After you'd lost?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The and not only that, three months after the election, the annual fire dinner in Washington, which I started, 2,000 people attend, members of congress, house and senate, George Bush, the father, former CIA director, does a tribute to me, which you can I sent it to your staffer? Yeah. You can play it. And he says in the tribute, congressman Walden, you're the kind of leader that America needs.
You're the kind of leader that leaves the country safer, stronger. Those aren't my words. Those are George Bush senior's words to 2,000 people after they raided my daughter's house.
Speaker 0: After you'd already been neutralized. After I've not gonna be
Speaker 1: It was all about
Speaker 0: getting me out. So did you what? So the the raid comes. You must be completely confused. You call your daughter and say, like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: She she was totally devastated. Ruined her life. What do you how do you deal with that?
Speaker 0: I don't know. How do
Speaker 1: you deal how do you deal with your kid?
Speaker 0: I'm probably gonna find out at
Speaker 1: some point. If you wanna you wanna come after me you know? And that's what I say to them. They're scumbags.
Speaker 0: Oh, I know.
Speaker 1: You scumbag, if you wanna come after me, come after me publicly. If you're gonna hide and go do something behind somebody, which you do, none there are good people in the agency. But there are scumbags that work in our agencies, and I know them, and they're making money. They're million dollar people, and their million dollar companies are gonna be exposed if it's the last thing I do. And you'll see the ties around the world to the million dollar intel people who've made money off the backs of young American kids who have died in wars while they make money, or their companies make money.
And I'll give you example after example of that. In Russia, in Ukraine, around the world, in Libya, that's what's wrong. And until we understand that, it's not gonna stop. And Donald Trump's people need to understand that. We're not playing tiddlywinks out in the schoolyard.
We're playing with bad people.
Speaker 0: I agree. I I yeah. As I've said, I've I've I've seen it up close, so I know that you're telling the truth. What they do to my family is outrageous. So so this happens, and in the final month of a campaign with Three weeks.
Three weeks. With this challenger who doesn't live in your district who all of a sudden has I think I'm remembering this correctly, a lot of his money came from California.
Speaker 1: All of it.
Speaker 0: All of it.
Speaker 1: Then we find out, Tucker. I'll give it to you. We get a memo. My staff does some digging. What's going on?
And we find a memo that was sent to my staff in September, a month before this, from the National Republican Congressional Committee to my campaign committee saying, hey. For some reason, your opponent just cut his TV buy for one week in October by $500,000. The week was the week they raided my daughter's house.
Speaker 0: Because he wouldn't need it.
Speaker 1: So they told the Democrats the week they were gonna raid my daughter's house.
Speaker 0: I believe it.
Speaker 1: Because they didn't need
Speaker 0: the advertising that week. But what's crazy, if if you think about it and by the way, should say of of Sestek, who I always thought was just such a reptile, but he had kind of, like, the perfect views. He was very liberal socially, but on foreign policy questions, he was just a national security state He's a loser. Perfect national security state.
Speaker 1: He's an embarrassment, and I'll say it publicly. He's an embarrassment. Oh, I I And what he did to my family, I'll
Speaker 0: never forget. So but that's the Bush Justice Department. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: That's the Bush FBI. It's the it's the and I wrote a letter to Mueller, which I'll give you
Speaker 0: Mueller was FBI director there?
Speaker 1: Yes. I wrote a personal memo to him on LinkedIn, right to his personal self. And I said, mister Mueller, I respect you personally for being a marine, but you're a scumbag for what you did to my family.
Speaker 0: So did you call over to the White House and say, like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: I called Karl Rove. He said, get a good lawyer. I have no respect for Karl Rove.
Speaker 0: Well, no one does.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that story on another show.
Speaker 0: Wait. So but your daughter's house gets raided. She doesn't get charged with anything. The FBI never even
Speaker 1: Not isn't talked to. Not charged. Doesn't even get talked to. No one.
Speaker 0: And CNN were all admitted. I then worked.
Speaker 1: You know the the only person that defended me?
Speaker 0: Who? You're gonna laugh. No. Probably not.
Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough.
Speaker 0: I believe that.
Speaker 1: He was on my committee. Joe Scarborough, I'll give you the article, defended me and said, congressman Walt will never do anything like this. And the stupid jerk reporter said, oh, Scarborough, I don't know what he's talking about. Joe Scarborough was the only one at that time who really publicly aggressively defended.
Speaker 0: I believe that, and I knew Joe very well very well then. And
Speaker 1: He was on my committee on
Speaker 0: He's not a stupid person, by the way, whatever Joe's many faults. He's not dumb, and he gets how politics work.
Speaker 1: But he
Speaker 0: won't talk to me now. Of course not. Okay. So you call Karl Rove, and you say, what the hell, Karl Rove? What is going on here?
And he just says He's
Speaker 1: to get a good lawyer.
Speaker 0: That was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's the same scumbag that when I told him that I told this company in Florida that was being harassed to hire lobbies, I told him to hire Bob Dole, he starts screaming at me on the phone. He said, who are you to tell anybody to hire Bob Dole's law firm? I said, Bob Dole's a war hero. He's a credible person.
He said, don't you know who his partner is? I said, I have no idea who his partner is. Well, his partner was Ian Richards from Texas. What does that have to do with somebody doing national security issues? Because Karl Roeb was from Texas and his nemesis in Texas was Bob Dole's partner, he didn't want them to benefit?
Speaker 0: That's what he's like.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's like. He's a small
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Speaker 1: Well, it's the end of my public career, but I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 0: I know. I I got that.
Speaker 1: Lot of people that support. Now people want me to talk, and I am talking because Trump's in power. And the only thing they can do is they can kill me. Now two of my friends were killed, or I think they were killed. One was threatened by a a guy that was running to be the head of the CIA.
He got a call. This guy that was live was in Florida, John Quirk, was career intelligence for the CIA, and he helped me. He gave me all the internal stuff of what they were doing to try to they try to portray me as a Russian spy of all this stupidity. Right. Been there.
So so right. So Quirk called me. He said, you won't believe who I got a call from. Uh-huh. He told me the guy's name.
He said, the guy said to me, why are you helping Kurt Weldon and and Jaw Jaw. Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's a patriot. The guy slammed down the phone. That guy's a multimillionaire in New York right now. Multimillionaire.
Get his money off the backs of the American people.
Speaker 0: What happened to your friend? You think he was murdered?
Speaker 1: I think he was given a they both had fast moving cancer, and that's a typical process that the agency uses overseas when they wanna get rid of somebody.
Speaker 0: I'm aware of that. Most people are not aware of that. But do do you know that to be true that that is a I
Speaker 1: don't I don't I can't prove it.
Speaker 0: No. But do you know that
Speaker 1: I know that they both died suddenly.
Speaker 0: The the US government has the technology
Speaker 1: to Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. Infect people with fast moving cancer. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: As they do with the you know, in 1997, I did the first hearing on asymmetric threats. I was the chairman of the research committee, and I focused on four threats that and you can read about them. The first threat was the use of drones, which nobody was using then. The second was cyberattacks, which is now a big deal. The third was EMP.
People don't even know what EMP is. I was the leader
Speaker 0: of that.
Speaker 1: I wrote the EMP legislation. And the fourth was cognitive warfare. People don't understand cognitive warfare. And today, our intelligence agency is trying to pretend they don't know what it is. Like, oh, we don't know what that is.
It's because the the Russians have used it, and the Chinese, they call it Havana syndrome. Right. We know what it is.
Speaker 0: Directed energy weapons.
Speaker 1: Directed energy weapons.
Speaker 0: But you believe that and the only reason I'm pushing on this is because I know for a fact that highly informed people in other countries with, you know, real intel services who are not crazy or sophisticated take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to transmit fatal cancer from one person to another or from a machine to a person. And you know that that's true?
Speaker 1: I don't know that the details. I know the research that was being done when I was chairman of the oversight committee for research was very provocative, and we need members of congress that are unafraid to get fully immersed in understanding what we're doing and why we're doing it. The problem with the members of congress is that there are good members in both parties, but they get staffers who have career goals. And their career goal might be to go work at the Pentagon or go work for the agency. Yes.
So they get compromised midway through. You can't have that. You gotta have people to understand their loyalty has gotta be for the country and for what their original goal. And that's why it's so important that we and and the old the ultimate goal here is to have this presidential commission on 09/11 to hold people accountable and to let the president appoint a commission that asked the questions of what really happened, both intelligence wise and with the actual structure so that we understand, and then we make those people accountable. Believe me, when we do that, then you shake the system up.
Speaker 0: I agree with that, and and I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things that the US government has done with our money and our name over the past sixty years. You know, starting with the Kennedy assassination, which the president, you know, has issued an executive order on January 23 to declassify it hasn't hasn't happened. MLK, RFK, etcetera, etcetera. We should know what happened in the in Butler Township in July. But I think the big the big story is nine eleven and every
Speaker 1: The reason is all those happened decades ago, and I agree with you. Nine eleven is only 24 ago, and I have all the information. I have the firefighters ready to go. I have the tapes of the firefighters and what they saw and heard. I have all the architects and engineers and all their 3,000 of them risking their careers.
I have the lawyers. I have the families. Everybody's ready to go. All Trump has to do is name a new presidential commission. Let them do the investigation.
We'll give them all the material, and then we'll show the country that we cannot we will not allow these people to to commit these kinds of out they're not even unscrupulous. They're outrageous and scandalous and treacherous acts against our nation. Imagine planning to kill American people. I can't begin to think of that.
Speaker 0: Okay. So but you've also just said that two friends of yours died of fast moving cancers.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I
Speaker 0: my Well, they died of cancer. Of cancer. Right. But you think that the the people who are hiding the truth about nine eleven are capable of murder?
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Well, I guess that would be obvious since 3,000 people were murdered that day.
Speaker 1: Just like Libya. We we were the ones that caused Qaddafi's death because Hillary Clinton played a game over there, and I I was the one that went over there during the war. Qaddafi asked me to come over. I took a Biden staffer and a Bush staffer and a film crew leader from ABC one in New York, Larry Mendy with me and a cameraman, because I didn't want the CA to set me up. I hand carried the letter back from Gaddafi offering to resign.
The US didn't want him to resign. They want to kill him. Why? Because Gaddafi and I met him three times. I took Biden on my second trip to Libya, by the way.
He went with me when I spoke to the whole country. At every meeting I had with Gaddafi, he wanted two things. He wanted to unite the African continent into into a group of nations economically, like European stand goal like the European economy. He wanted to base it on the gold standard, and the The US and Europe didn't want that. For and the other thing is they wanted control of his oil, and they wanted control of his sovereign wealth.
So Gaddafi had to go. That's outrageous, and it's wrong.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But that, I think, sounds right to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, but we've allowed so many of our kids to be drawn into conflicts to be killed. And these people doing this are they've never served in any capacity in our country. They've never been in the military. They've never served on a fire ground, and it's outrageous that they think they can get away with us and sit back and make all this money. It's outrageous.
Speaker 0: I couldn't agree more. So what let's get to nine eleven itself, and and you were so deeply involved in so many parts of this personally that it's I think it's easy to go off on different tangents, but just to the extent that you can describe what you know to be true, you said don't want to speculate as to motive, for example, but what you know to be true, what do you think the core truth of nine eleven, September eleventh two thousand and one is?
Speaker 1: I I I don't at this point in time, I have my own perceptions. I don't have something I can give a % I can't swear on, but I what I'm seeing bothers me to the core of my body that nine eleven did not happen because a group of hijackers got control of some planes. First of all, I have confirmed that two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working for the CIA. They were on the CIA payroll, and that was confirmed to me by someone in writing from one of our agencies, and I have that letter. So two of the people involved were actually working for the CIA in one of the planes.
I know that, and they lost control of them. And there were reprimands against those agency people after the fact. Second, I know the intelligence, they tried three times to transfer the information about information that could have prevented nine eleven. That's fact.
Speaker 0: To the justice department.
Speaker 1: And I have the name of the person that at the justice department they contacted, and she was told to cancel the meetings. They couldn't have the meetings.
Speaker 0: Who who did that order come from?
Speaker 1: Who That's that that's what needs to be investigated. Okay. And then we have John Crane, the inspector general of the Pentagon, who went to the extent of issuing a, request, for whistleblower status because he was told to lie to the congress and lie about pre nine eleven intelligence and able danger. And then we have general, the the book by the general and his comments that he knew within seconds of none of this is in the nine eleven commission report. The nine eleven commission report is a piece of garbage.
Speaker 0: Well, then you also have it. I don't I mean, this is just a fact. I don't know what to make of it, but you have a guy called Alex Jones, who's a broadcaster, who said that summer that the World Trade Centers are gonna hit by planes, and a guy called Osama Bin Laden is gonna be blamed. He said that on tape with a time stamp, so we know that that actually happened. That's not not making it up.
It's not a conspiracy theory. He said that, and it's like, how would he know that? That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was thinking in Washington where I lived at the time that so then my question is, okay. If I'm Philip Zellico, the guy running the nine eleven commission, I'm calling Alex Jones immediately, saying, come on in under oath, and we're gonna find out how did you know that. And instead, the US government, the FBI in particular, set about to destroy Alex Jones and and almost succeeded.
I mean, they engineered a billion dollar judgment against him, etcetera, etcetera, but they really have, like, tried to to to kill him for saying that. And it's like if you wanted to get to the truth, why would you act that way? Why would you knock you out of congress?
Speaker 1: At the time of 09/11, I had been to the World Trade Center in '93. The governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, called my office, talked to me personally, thanked me for coming up. He watched my one hour presentation. I was back up there with Ray Downey. I brought Ray Downey's widow and five kids down in my district after 09:11 to honor him as a hero.
I, I was up all during the 09:11 incident at Ground 0, and I did everything I could to and I felt responsible. Do you know the nine eleven commission would not let me testify before the commission? Now I'm a firefighter. I'm a fire chief. I'm a state fire instructor.
I spent my whole career helping protect people from disasters. The nine eleven commission, even though my experience as a member of congress, vice chairman of defense and homeland security, would not call me to testify, would not call me to go in and speak before the line because they knew what I would say. So when the commission said it's gonna issue its report,
Speaker 0: which was when Pardon me. What year was that?
Speaker 1: It was when the report was released. I think it was 02/2005. So what I did, the the report was being released in the ways and means room of the Cannon Building. I went over. I sat in the front row to be the first one.
Lee Hamilton and Tom Keene were up there. Good people. I don't blame them. Yeah. It wasn't them.
It was the staffers that controlled this. It wasn't the commissioners.
Speaker 0: It's a Zellekow guy.
Speaker 1: That's right. Zelicow and Gurelik and Dieter Snell. Dieter Snell was a staffer working for them.
Speaker 0: Jay Jamie Gurelik, who was a Clinton DOJ
Speaker 1: who wrote the firewall memo that said you can't transfer military intelligence to civilian law enforcement.
Speaker 0: Think Bill Crystal's cousin too, unless I'm misremembering him.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the case.
Speaker 0: I So
Speaker 1: I sat in the front row and I said, Lee, why did you not allow me to testify? And he said to me, well, congressman, you know, we had a lot of people that wanted to testify. Now I'm the representative of all the firefighters in the country. I'm the point person for the firefighters. Yes.
I'm a firefighter and a fire chief. I had been at the Trade Center in '93. I had been there in in 09/11, and they would not let me testify because they didn't wanna hear what I had to say.
Speaker 0: What would you have said?
Speaker 1: I would have said that is that we caused this.
Speaker 0: What do
Speaker 1: you mean? With the intelligence, the the I had the evidence that we we could have stopped this? Not me. Louie Free said that. Based upon what I came out with, Louie Free's op ed in the Wall Street Journal, which I can give you a copy of, said the the, nine eleven commission was an incomplete investigation.
And he also went on Good Morning America and said the same thing. They tried to blame Louie Free because Louie Free had left, the FBI the year before nine eleven happened. So he was their scapegoat. And I to this day, I think Louie's very upset over that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I believe that.
Speaker 1: So the only way around this is to have a new for the firefighters of America and for our country to have an independent commission be appointed and give that commission full authority to take this wherever it goes, including the end result. And the end result may be very ugly.
Speaker 0: I I there's this a sense in which that's pretty obvious. I mean, like, why why is anything from 09/11 still classified? It's our country. It happened to 3,000 of our fellow Americans. We have an absolute right to know what happened.
There's not even a question, and it was almost twenty five years ago. So, like, spare me your lectures about national security. But can I ask you this? So, by the way, I never questioned anything about nine eleven, and I actively attacked people who did. I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact.
I did it on tape more than once. Because my feeling was, well, you know, like, that's divisive or whatever. I was a child and an idiot. But the what began to make me wonder, and I have no idea what happened in nine eleven, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of Building 7. And all the wackos would be like, Building 7, Building 7.
I'd like, shut up, wackos. And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually. No plane hit that building, and it does this happen a lot when buildings catch fire? Right. Okay.
Speaker 1: Besides being a firefighter, I worked for the INA, largest insurance company in North America. I was responsible for training their fire protection arson people for eighteen years. That doesn't happen. You never have a 47 story building just collapse, which this is. Even Donald Trump, I have a tape of him speaking on 09:11, and Donald Trump, which I'll give you a copy
Speaker 0: I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In his own words says, that's controlled demolition.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, it it certainly looks that way. I mean, look. I don't know.
Speaker 1: See, here's what they did. They brought in NIST. They brought in NIST to do a report.
Speaker 0: Can you tell us what NIST is?
Speaker 1: NIST is the the National Institute for Standards and Technology to do an assessment. Now they're like any other federal agency, and there are good people there, but there are people that want their jobs and want their careers, and they're not gonna rock the boat. And they came out with a report that's hogwash. University of Alaska, which is an ex very credible engineering department, did a full reputation of the NIST report, saying it's full with gaps and full with inaccuracies and areas where they did not get the right information. Let me just say this to you.
People say, well, you can't question NIST. NIST always does the right thing. When I went to congress, Tucker, in my first term, I'm two doors from the speaker's office, speaker Jim Wright. His office catches on fire at 07:00 at night. As a firefighter, I go up, punch the door open, get down on my hands, and he's crawling.
The kitchen's fully involved. This is all documented. You can read about it. And, said to my staffer, go get me the portable extinguishers. Three of the five weren't charged.
I said, go get me the hose in the hose station. There was no hose in the hose station. I come back out, and I say, gotta evacuate the building. Now I'm in my first term. It's a seven story building above ground.
No sprinklers, no detectors, no alarms. Here is the building, one of the seven six office buildings whole held holding the house and the senate in violation of every building code and fire code in America. Now I'm an expert on NFPA one zero one, the life safety code, and the BOCA codes. This building, if NIST did its job, NIST would have said, if you're gonna be in congress, you're gonna work in a building where your constituents who are blind and handicapped are not gonna feel threatened. Seven stories above ground.
No alarm system. No detection system. So a fire's occurring, and the police are running through the building yelling fire, get out. That's the you cannot trust the federal agencies.
Speaker 0: Obviously. I of course, that's obvious now. But tell us, like, from an engineering perspective, like, you had three buildings come down, sort of collapse in on themselves, implode, it looked like. And, like, a lot of people have said, many credible, non crazy people have said that was controlled demolition. Was it?
Speaker 1: Well, when I got up there the day after, I I I had been in the trade center at the restaurant on the top several times. There's no way those two buildings could have collapsed into what they were there. Something had to happen.
Speaker 0: Was that obvious to you immediately?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Because, know and they were looking for other firefighters like Ray Downey and the 342 others that were trapped and eventually vaporized. So something happened. Whether there was there there's a there's a a high explosive material, I think it's called fermite, that is used to explode metal and steel and vaporize it.
Those tests were never done on that. There were some limited tests that found that there was some evidence of that, but that the whole thing never was subjected to the kind of investigation that would be warranted when three thousand people die. I mean, you have three thousand people die, you would think it would be a full massive investigation, not going after nine eleven, obviously, but what happened to the buildings and why they come down? They are the only high rise buildings in the world that have ever come down from an airplane hitting them. And those buildings, I read the report from the architect who designed them.
They were designed to withstand an airplane hitting the building and standing tall.
Speaker 0: And especially Building 7, which had no plane hit it. Right.
Speaker 1: No plane hit it, and the building just you could see it. When you watch it on TV, it just implodes straight down. And what really got got me again was Oriole Palmer, that the battalion chief arising on the
Speaker 0: Well, tell tell us who he was. What is
Speaker 1: Oriole Palmer was one of the most inspirational battalion chiefs in New York. FDNY. FDNY, who immediately, in very good shape, had a family, a couple of kids, went in the building as soon as Lee got on the scene, took the elevator up to the Fortieth Floor, got off the elevator, and you could hear him on the comms system say, I'm here, Fortieth Floor. We're gonna start walking up the stairwells. Every five floors, he radios back to communication.
I'm on the Fiftieth Floor. Everything's okay. We're on Floor 60. Everything's okay. He's going up.
Every so many floors, he gives a report. He reaches the 70 Eighth Floor, The Floor Of Impact. He comes out of the stair tower, and as clear as you listening to me here, and I know I get passionate and I apologize
Speaker 0: to the
Speaker 1: ministers for that, he says, we're on Floor 78, The Floor Of Impact. We've got two fires, and we can handle them. One minute later, the whole building collapses. That's not normal. That is not acceptable.
That is not what happened. And this is on tape? It's on tape. The film is called Bravo seven. And if your viewers want it, if they contact you, I'll give it to you.
It's free. It was produced not by Hollywood. It was produced by firefighters. And it includes the footage including the firefighter of the the footage of the firefighter communication between him and the command center. You can hear him as plain as day saying, I'm on the Impact Floor, Floor 70 8.
We have two fires here. We can control them. And he's comfortable. He's not worrying about the building collapsing. He just walked up 38 floors, and the whole building collapses.
Tucker, it's a big lie. Can can
Speaker 0: I like, what okay. Two things. What percentage of firefighters who were there that day are knowledgeable about building fires agree with you on this?
Speaker 1: The I have the utmost respect for the fire department in New York when I wrote the manuscript, Able Danger, which I didn't publish because my lawyer said they would kill me back in 02/2006. I never published it. I'm gonna publish it this year. Last summer in July, I took a copy up, a draft copy of the manuscript, and I met for two hours with John Esposito. He's the chief.
He's a great man. I have total respect for him. And, John knows me. And I said, John, you know my respect for the department. And I said, yes, congressman.
We know that. I said, I wanna give you this copy of my manuscript, and I'm signing it in honor of Ray Downey for you to keep in your archives. This is what really happened. He took it. I felt I owed it to the fire department of New York and their members.
There has been this subtle pressure to the firefighters and to the officers not to talk for obvious reasons. You you know what this involves politically. And look what happened to the chief of LA. The female chief of LA comes out and says that the resources were taken away from her for the field forest fires. And what does the mayor do?
She fires her. That was just a few weeks ago. The firefighters are always a scapegoat. That's why, Tucker, I'm done with this. If it's the last thing I do, firefighters are not gonna be taken for granted anymore.
We're gonna rise up. We're gonna shake the country to its roots. Super. Firefighters are not second class citizens.
Speaker 0: Well, should certainly shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: But if they talk, they'll they'll be they'll get sidelined. They'll be get called crazies. Even though they heard explosions, they can't be they can't be allowed to say that.
Speaker 0: They heard explosions?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. It's on tape. We have people coming out of the buildings that heard explosions. We have film footage of people that talked to Fox News that was taken off the air, and then then now it was brought back by X.
That's all available. That's why you need a commission to go back and look at all the Wait.
Speaker 0: So there are and pardon my ignorance, but there are people on tape saying I heard explosions.
Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely. 100%. Multiple people. So the counter
Speaker 0: to this, which is also kind of rooted in common sense is, wow, that would require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for twenty four years, and that's just impossible because people talk.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people. Not a lot of people. It will involve a very, very precise action of planning and, you know, taking steps to control the situation. And I again, I I have no firsthand evidence of this. That's why and this is the most important thing.
If there's one thing that you have the ability to do because you're very well respected and deservedly so, you coming out and showing that report, that request put out by the firefighters of America and by the people who are excuse me for doing that.
Speaker 0: No problem.
Speaker 1: The people who were the most impacted by this. Yes. I've helped them now. I'm not I'm not there's no money in this for me. I'm everything I'm doing pro bono.
Yeah. Pro bono. A new presidential commission. There was no presidential commission before. This would be the first presidential commission.
Speaker 0: We recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is enjoy an ALP. Wait. Can I ask though, like, if we find out I mean, one of the reasons I became so upset was actually an Alex Jones guy years ago at some campaign event I was covering? You know, 911, Building 7. I was like, shut up, asshole.
You know, I don't no one wants to hear that. And I was being a child and ignorant as I have admitted many times, and I was wrong because you should always be for the truth no matter what. On the other hand, I think my instinct was informed by the feeling that, wow. If we find out that US Government Officials or foreign officials or or anybody is hiding the truth about an event that murdered 3,000 America totally innocent people. Like, that's how could your country continue if you found out?
Speaker 1: It would be almost as bad as if there were people in our country who planned to allow Bin Laden to stay in Iran while we sent kids to Afghanistan and 2,500 came back in body bags. It would be almost as bad.
Speaker 0: No. You're right. No. You're right. Tucker,
Speaker 1: the American people don't understand. I was in decisions as vice chairman of the committee where I heard conversations talk about acceptable casualties. There are no acceptable casualties. If I have a son or a daughter, I'm the youngest of nine, my brothers and sisters served in every branch of the military, none of them would be acceptable casualties. And if we had people that made the decision that we can afford to get people over in Afghanistan knowing that several thousand are gonna come back dead, if there's no then we've gotta find an alternative to that.
And if we didn't do it there, then we shouldn't do it in The US. Do I think nine eleven is going to be the biggest scandal in our lifetime and beyond? Yes. I think it's gonna be the biggest scandal in the history of America because it occurred on US soil and because it is so recent that we have relevant information still available.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: We have recorded information. We have personal information. Once people realize they can talk and not be afraid of being killed or not being afraid of being ostracized. And you know what gets me is reporters who call people conspiracy theorists. Well, that's all the agency does.
Speaker 0: I know.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that create the conspiracies.
Speaker 0: I'm aware. I mean, cut me a break.
Speaker 1: I'm aware. They have whole courses for their agents on how to make people look like they're conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 0: And the propaganda operations designed to discredit. Exactly. Right.
Speaker 1: And So all we want is the truth. Of course. So Trump, appoint people of impeccable integrity. Let them study the facts. I will testify under oath everything I know about intelligence.
Let these 3,000 architects who are risking their careers, making nothing, let them testify under oath. So let me
Speaker 0: ask you a very dark question. I don't even know if I want the answer, but flight 93, which crashed in your state in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, became a kind of and you feel obviously so crushed for the people, Todd Beamer and the rest on that flight, and they sound like they acted bravely and all that. But, you know, Dick Cheney the president Bush was hiding at Offutt Air Force Base, refused to come back to DC because of cowardice. And so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day on September 11, and he said it's been reported. You know, he gave the orders to shoot down that plane, but then they told us, no.
It wasn't shut down. The hijackers were under assault by the passengers, and so they drove it into the ground. Do you think that plane was shut down by the US government?
Speaker 1: I I don't have any evidence of that, but I I've seen other speculation that that plane may have been heading for the Chicago Tower. And if it wasn't for the people on the plane that diverted it and turned it around, that's where it was heading.
Speaker 0: For sure. Well, clearly, it was it was that plane was gonna be used to kill Americans, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And I lost a constituent that was a pilot on one of the planes, Michael Horrocks, who went to Westchester, the same school I went to, and I immediately contacted his widow and raised the funds to build a playground in his honor at the elementary school for his kids. So I felt it personally. The the the story is is a story that America has to come to grips with this because if there's any one story that's gonna determine whether or not we are a country of what we all claim to be, then as painful as it is, we have to learn the lessons from that. If we don't and we allow these people that were involved in these cover ups and in my case, I the people I'm talking about are covering up without any hesitation the intelligence side of it. If we don't do that, then this is just inviting this to happen again and again.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's gonna continue. You can't have that in a country like ours. We're supposed to be the symbol around the world, and we get laughed at by people. The people in Libya know what we did and why we did Gaddafi. North Korea.
We had a solution from North Korea that Colin Powell endorsed that I worked on, with with a bipartisan delegation that the White House under Bush didn't want. And and look at now, North Korea is threatening an attack. All of these things we create. And if the American people don't have access to know the truth, then we're not really what we say we are.
Speaker 0: Who are the darkest actors in the Bush administration, do you think?
Speaker 1: I I can't name any one. I mean, Sandy Berger, in my opinion, should have been tried for treason. So Sandy
Speaker 0: Berger was I agree. Well, he committed treason, so he should have been. He's passed now. I knew him. He was national security adviser for Bill Clinton.
So tell us tell us you've made reference to him, for those who don't remember or getting their history from Wikipedia, who is Sandy Berger, and and why do you think he committed treason?
Speaker 1: And Wikipedia, by the way, has no credibility.
Speaker 0: I'm very aware
Speaker 1: of They are basically it's a controlled I'm aware. Process to manipulate And and you you don't really
Speaker 0: know that until I know it. Just because, you know, you get older and, like, there are some things in Wikipedia. Like, wait. I was there. I I know that that's not true.
Speaker 1: About Sandy and Sandy Berger. She Sandy Berger was when this all started. He was security adviser for Clinton in the nineties. And as a member of the Cox Commission, which was a formal commission established by the congress made up of nine members.
Speaker 0: Headed by congressman Chris Cox of California.
Speaker 1: That's right. Five Republicans, four Democrats, all committee chairs except me. I was appointed by Newt, and we spent six months behind closed doors looking at all the data about why China stole our technology. And what we ended up with was a nine to zero vote. Our security was severely harmed by China's acquisition of technology.
And Chris Cox warned a nine to zero vote. I went beyond that. And working with the people that I had befriended that were doing the able danger stuff, I said, why did this happen? And they produced charts for me, which I have given to you, to show the process that China established. And China did what we do.
We try to spy on other countries. That's part the game. That's legitimate. Yes. But if you get caught by that, that's your fault.
China set up a process using money through their central military commission, the People's Liberation Army, to set up front companies to deliberately acquire selected technology in The US by using campaign donations, primarily to the Clinton campaign in the mid nineties. The charts show that. You have those charts. Those donations resulted in waivers of arms control agreements. Those, donations involved in waivers of controls over technology, and all the technologies are listed.
Those charts show that four Chinese nationals who had no citizenship rights here gained access to the White House, in some cases, 49 times in one year. They were raising money for the Democratic National Party and Clinton. All of that was, orchestrated by Sandy Berger politically. In the end, what happened was we basically empowered China to acquire our technology by allowing them to use campaign donations. And the best example I can give you of this is there was a very specific inquiry done by the justice department of the L'Oreal Corporation in California.
L'Oreal Corporation, very capable, space company and technology company, had been caught transferring stage separation technology to China. Stage separation technology allows you to have a multistage missile to go long distances. Yes. Which
Speaker 0: is required for to go intercontinental.
Speaker 1: And China didn't have that. They didn't have that capability, so they got it. So Larao Corporation was caught transferring that. That's a violation. So the justice department, this is public information, was about ready to indict the CEO, Bernie Schwartz.
Bernie Schwartz went to Sandy Berger and received, this is public information, a retroactive presidential waiver. Retroactive presidential waiver. The technology had already been transferred. Now they get the waiver that it's okay. And that year, Bernie Schwartz becomes one of the single biggest donors in the history of the Democrat party.
I put all the donations in the congressional record. So anyone can go back in the congressional record to that time period and look for my speech, and you'll see the donations of Sandy Berger to the Democrat National Party and Al Gore and and Bill Clinton while we were giving our technology so China didn't steal it. They outsmarted us. That's our fault, not their fault.
Speaker 0: Right. They bribed our officials to
Speaker 1: the defense. So that's the first thing with Sandy Berger. Then Sandy Berger was involved in the run up to nine eleven, and he was, still Clinton's security adviser. He was, told he had to appear before the nine eleven commission. So two weeks before he was to appear, he gets permission to go to the National Archives in Washington.
And he goes up to the Top Floor in a special room. It's a big empty room, and he didn't realize he was on camera. They bring out documents that he has to see before his testimony. He said it was to refresh his memory. He ends up stealing those documents.
In a case that many remember and laugh about, he stuffs the documents in his underwear and his socks and his shirt pocket. You you've seen the story and Of course. It's all true. He leaves the archives with those national security archives, all pre 09/11 intelligence. And by the way, none of this is in a nine eleven commission report.
None of it.
Speaker 0: That's not mentioned.
Speaker 1: No. He leaves the archives.
Speaker 0: Do we know what those documents were?
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what happened. He gets caught. The inspector general for the archives contacts Berger and said, mister Berger, did you take anything while you're in the archives? And he says, no. That's a felony.
He lied to a federal agent. He then hires one of Clinton's personal lawyers. That lawyer cuts a plea bargain. Sandy Berger pleads guilty to 11 felonies, lying to a federal agent, stealing five documents, and destroying five documents. The plea bargain he gets is one misdemeanor.
No jail time. He loses security clearance for one year. In the August before my election loss, I told my staff, I wanna go to the archives to see copies of what we think Berger stole. The CIA called my office and said, tell your boss that's very sensitive information. Like, what do you have to tell me?
What I what my job is? I know what my job is. I don't need to be reminded by somebody from some agency, so I went there. The documents were all regarding pre nine eleven intelligence. The millennium millennium after action report, which was prepared by John Ashcroft, was part of the documents that they didn't want the nine eleven commission to have.
Sandy Berger stole those documents. If you stole documents that are in National Archives, you'd be in jail right now. Sandy Berger got away with it, one felony, and he leaves the administration of Clinton, he forms a company. Guess what the company's called? Stonebridge.
And he hires Madelyn Albright. Stonebridge Albright. And what do they do? They represent Chinese corporations.
Speaker 0: Disgusting people. Both now gone. Both now gone. Do we know what was in those five documents?
Speaker 1: Why I while I went down there, I looked at what we think he stole. It was Paul pre 09/11 intelligence.
Speaker 0: Suggesting that?
Speaker 1: Suggesting that
Speaker 0: we should have taken action.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we know that Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden in the base camps many times. I mean, all of this, and there's much more intrigue that I don't know about. That's why it needs a thorough investigation, not of staffers, not of hacks, but of people of intellect and people who are willing to put the country first. That's why Trump needs a convening commission.
Speaker 0: This is all so heavy that, you know, you wonder who would take that job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have people who will take it. I have firefighters who will take it, fire engineers. I have people who will surprise you that will take the job.
Speaker 0: That would take true courage. Venus, why No one even mentions declassifying nine eleven. I mean, it's like, oh, the Kennedy Association, UAPs. I mean, I'm all for I'm all for disclosure because we own the government. We're shareholders.
We're not slaves. So that's my view. I always push for disclosure, and I really mean it. But on nine eleven, I don't even know anyone who wants I do, but I don't know anybody else other than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like, you can feel it glowing. You just feel like, I don't know what that is, but that's
Speaker 1: really You know why? Everybody in Washington gets caught up with their with their careers, with their consultant fees, with their you know, I'm done with that. You know? I'm still paying the mortgage on my house. Actually?
Yeah. I'm actually paying the mortgage on my house. At what age? 77.
Speaker 0: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My my wife's a nurse. You know?
Speaker 0: We don't So you didn't get rich in congress?
Speaker 1: No. I did not get I didn't I don't know how I don't know how Biden and Obama Obama was nothing in the senate. How do you make $88,000,000 in the senate when you don't have a job? And and and Biden, who I grew up with and was a friend with, I mean, no our kids went to school together. How does he have multiple houses at the beach and and, you know, I I don't need I don't need wealth.
I don't need wealth to be successful, and that's not my gonna be my legacy. But the there are people, and it makes me sick to my stomach because I'd like to name them all right now, Tucker.
Speaker 0: Well, go go ahead. Well, I I
Speaker 1: have them there. You know my partners, Judge Sullivan, very distinguished, the former deputy director of the FBI, Buck Ravel, Jim Woolsey, former deputy former head of the CIA, Chuck Brooks, who you got a note from, former, top guy at homeland security. Admiral Jay Cohen, who was head of research. They all know what I know and a lot more people. I had lunch with Jim Jones twice last year, former security adviser to Obama.
I don't wanna upend their careers. I don't wanna cost them money, but America America needs to know the truth.
Speaker 0: But without naming specific names, I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned, and I would say from my impression having lived in DC for years, those are good guys, I think, honest people. Yeah. But without naming anybody, like, people who and those are all very highly informed people, like, actually, for real, not not bullshit.
Speaker 1: No. They're all real. No. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 0: For real. Of that of those kind of people, how many that you know think, this is not right? The nine eleven report. All
Speaker 1: of them. But they're not gonna come out
Speaker 0: But everyone kinda knows.
Speaker 1: Not gonna be the lead person to come out and take it on. And many people say, you know, Kurt, you're crazy. You know, you're Of course.
Speaker 0: Well, that's how they try to describe
Speaker 1: your your discretion.
Speaker 0: The only reason that I I mean, I've never done a 09:11 show, not a single one, really, that I know maybe one in thirty years, twenty well, now twenty four years. But the only reason that I wanted to talk to you specifically is because I was there, and so I know how much you know, and you're not a fake person at all. You're, like, right at the center of it. So I think you have complete credibility on this topic, and I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a wacko. If you're a wacko, then why are you gonna take over the armed services committee?
Speaker 1: Like Why would Donald Rumsfeld endorse me for the armed services committee?
Speaker 0: Paying your mortgage at 77, you clearly weren't ripping anybody off.
Speaker 1: I have no secret bank account.
Speaker 0: Clearly. So I do think you've got a lot of credibility, but it's just interesting. You're obviously very focused on this. The people just to restate, the people that you talk to who are in similar positions of authority who would have access to, you know, real intel on this, they all think that the
Speaker 1: nine talk.
Speaker 0: They all think the 09:11 report was just silly. Cover up.
Speaker 1: They think that there's a lot more to what happened than what's being told. The firefighters think the same, but a firefighter who's doing their you know, the key thing and why I devote my life to firefighters, they're the most powerful people in the country. They're not driven by power nor money. But when I organized them, back in 1987 and the fire caucus became the largest in the congress, I said, are the people that make America work.
Speaker 0: Of course.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're the people that not just fight the fires and disasters. They're the people it's where you vote on election day.
Speaker 0: Of course.
Speaker 1: It's where you hold the boy scout and girl scout meeting room, and there are 50,000 stations run by 30,000 departments, and 85% of them are volunteers. Do you know next year as we celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America, the fire service will be 290 years old? Yeah. The first fire department was formed by Ben Franklin in Philadelphia in 1736. It didn't take a government to get people to come together to protect each other.
It's older than America, and the 50,000 departments are in every town, every village. They're the heart and soul of our nation and the backbone
Speaker 0: of our know that for you.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm telling Trump. If you ignite that group of people, you don't need to have MAGA people alone. You have America then. Because in every poll, firefighters are 98% supported.
Speaker 0: They're the only ones everyone likes.
Speaker 1: Totally agree. Because they're not driven by power or money.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: And that's why firefighters don't wanna get involved in a political battle. Even if they know they're being shortchanged, even if they know their loved one was killed when they shouldn't have been killed, they keep quiet. Well, I'm not gonna keep quiet. I'm their voice, and I'm gonna speak out.
Speaker 0: So let me ask you one final question for people who've made it this far in the interview, and and I should just I wanna say for the record, think you've been really restrained. You haven't speculated on really anything other than things. You said, I saw this, I know this to be true, but you haven't given us some complex theory of why this happened. Oh, I can't. I won't.
Right. But for people who are are thinking, wow, this is a little more serious than I realized, and I wanna know more, and clearly, Wikipedia is a filter, not a way to actually understand history, what should peep what responsible, credible accounts of nine eleven would you recommend people read? Like, where do you get closer to the truth?
Speaker 1: There there is no one single account that I have seen. I would suggest and they can go I'm not on social media except on LinkedIn. And if you go to my LinkedIn, I'll send you a copy of Bravo seven. Bravo seven is a film one hour long done by firefighters, not done by Hollywood. And by the way, my my film based on my book's coming out next year, and all the proceeds of my film firefight are going to firefighters.
So nobody can say he's gonna make a profit off that.
Speaker 0: No. Must still be paying your mortgage.
Speaker 1: My Hollywood film is the proceeds are going to firefighters, and it's about my book. But bravo seven gives you the story of what really happened from the eyes of a firefighter, and then it has the audio comments of Oreo Palmer. And if you're a human being and you listen to that brave firefighter with two kids, I think two or three kids, who's risking his life after he went up 40 floors in the elevator, climbing up 38 floors with his team, arriving on the floor of impact, and saying I can handle it. And if we let him die there like it was just some random thing, then we're not human beings of decency.
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 1: We owe Oreo Palmer. We owe Ray Downey. Ray Downey told us ninety three, eight years earlier, this is gonna happen again. Ray Downey told us in the Gilmore commission we needed to have this fusion center. We allowed unnamed scumbags in the CIA to block us from having a fusion center.
We allowed unnamed scumbags in the agencies to block transferring the information that Scott Philpott and Tony Schafer and Eileen Pricer and Eric Klein Smith had that they tried to transfer to the justice department. They also had information the the beef before the attack on USS Cole when they ruined the career of, of Kirk Lippold, the commander of the Cole, I defended him. If we're gonna truly be a country that really cares about other people and what we're doing, then we have to live up to that. And how can you send your kid to war or combat and all this crap about giving them a home and a place to live and help? Well, great.
Let's do it up front. Let's prevent them from needing a home. Let's prevent them from needing health care. Let's prevent them from having to to be put in a in a shelter someplace. Let's focus on the veteran before they become disabled.
Let's focus on the firefighter before they die. But see the media the media and the intel deeps, they likes to make it look like, well, we got all these charities out there. These charities allow us to give money like we really care about them. Caring about them after they're dead is not the same as preventing them from dying, and that's what this is about, preventing them from dying. And I'm not gonna stop until we until we take the necessary steps to never let this happen again.
Speaker 0: I'm grateful for your determination. And the last thing I'll say is I think when you give up the love of money, you you get filled with a holy power, and you clearly have been. So congressman, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you
Speaker 0: very much. Thank you.
@RichardGage_911 - Richard Gage, AIA, Architect
@TuckerCarlson [RG911Team] Here is FDNY Battalion Chief Orio Palmer declaring he can put out the fires inside the South Tower on 9/11. Minutes later, it collapses on him like a house of cards. Curt Weldon is fighting to expose what really happened, and so are we. https://t.co/Jrtrp8zvs4
reSee.it AI Summary
Curt Weldon, former congressman, claims the Bush administration retaliated against him for questioning the 9/11 report by targeting his family and ending his political career. At 77, he aims to reveal the truth about the events of September 11, 2001. The discussion touches on various topics, including the CIA's potential role in preventing the attacks, the legitimacy of the 9/11 Commission, and the implications of declassifying related documents. Participants also debate the circumstances surrounding the South Tower's collapse and the actions of those inside the buildings.
@TuckerCarlson - Tucker Carlson
After twenty years in congress, Curt Weldon was about to become chairman of the House Armed Services Committee when he publicly questioned the accuracy of the 9-11 report. In retaliation, the Bush administration sent federal agents to his daughterโs house and ended his political career. At 77, Weldon has decided to tell the truth about what actually happened on September 11, 2001. (0:00) Introduction (2:33) Why Did They Oust Weldon? (7:12) Could the CIA Have Prevented 9-11? (16:00) How the FBI Tried to Intimidate Weldon (19:23) Did the CIA Lie About Osama bin Ladenโs Location? (25:47) The Real Culprit Behind Americaโs Wars in the Middle East (31:27) Trumpโs Biggest Challenge Right Now (33:11) How the Deep State Undermined Weldonโs Political Career (43:16) Will Weldon Be Killed for Speaking Out? (48:04) Why Hillary Clinton Had to Take Down Gaddafi (49:31) The 9-11 Commission Was a Scam (55:17) The Mysterious Collapse of Building 7 (1:05:13) How Will This Revelation Impact Americaโs Future? (1:07:56) The Bush Administration and China (1:14:32) Why Politicians Are So Scared of Declassifying 9-11 Documents (1:20:14) Where Can Americans Find the Truth About 9-11? Includes paid partnerships.
Video Transcript AI Summary
Kurt Weldon, a former congressman, claims the official 9/11 story is a cover-up. He alleges that prior to 9/11, an intelligence team called Able Danger identified Al Qaeda cells, including the New York cell, but were blocked from sharing this information with the FBI. Weldon states that former FBI Director Louie Free believed this information could have prevented 9/11.
Weldon says that after 9/11, he received information that Bin Laden was in Iran, not Afghanistan, and that the CIA refused to confirm or deny these reports. He also claims that the Bush administration hid this fact. According to Weldon, the 9/11 Commission, led by Philip Zelikow, was part of the cover-up. He says Zelikow was briefed in advance about Able Danger's findings.
Weldon believes elements within the US government allowed 9/11 to happen. He says that after he began questioning the official narrative, the FBI raided his daughter's house, an act he sees as politically motivated. Weldon also alleges that Building 7's collapse suggests controlled demolition. He calls for a new presidential commission to investigate 9/11.
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Speaker 0: We recorded the interview you're about to watch five days ago, and I've been thinking about it ever since. It's with a former congressman from Pennsylvania called Kurt Weldon. Kurt Weldon was a very significant figure in Washington twenty years ago. He was not some obscure backbencher. He was one of the most powerful Republicans in the congress about to take over the armed services committee until he asked questions about the official story on 09:11.
At which point, the Bush administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her with a crime, and effectively got Kurt Weldon bounced out of congress. I haven't talked to him in twenty years. I didn't know exactly what to expect, but this conversation, the one you're about to see, raises far more questions than I ever anticipated. This is not a crazy person. These are not crazy questions.
He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence of. When it ended, I asked him how many other officials who were in and around Washington during nine eleven have similar questions. And he said to me, as far as I know, all of them, and he's still in touch with a lot of those people. After this conversation, which again we've been thinking about ever since, I thought it might be time to look a little more deeply into the nine eleven commission report. Was it accurate?
Nine eleven changed The United States forever. Those of us who remember it, who lived through it, can tell you this was a different country afterward, completely different, and not a better country. And so there is no more significant historical event in the lifetimes of any living American than nine eleven. And the fact that there are still outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why is troubling. Up until this point, most of the people who've addressed these questions are either crazy or seem slightly crazy.
Now is the time for a sober look, not a wild eyed speculative look, but an honest look and honest conversations with people who participated in the response to that day, government officials. And so we're gonna do that. We are planning right now a multipart documentary series on 09:11, and we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can. And now former congressman Kurt Weldon. Congressman, thank you so much for doing this.
I haven't seen you in twenty years. I one of the last times I thought about you was right around 02/2006, and I'm you had been a frequent guest on the show that I was hosting then, and I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's house. And I thought, man, I was like Kirtweld, and I guess he's corrupt. And then I never heard never heard anything about it, and then you lost that election to a guy who I was that was kind of repulsive. And then probably fifteen years passed, and I thought to myself, wait a second.
Kurt Weldon was the only Republican I'm aware of who criticized The US response, the intel agency's response to nine eleven, who wrote a book blaming elements of the US government for allowing nine eleven to happen and then covering it up. And then right on the cusp of becoming tell me if I'm getting this wrong, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, the FBI raids your daughter's house, and you lose an election in which your opponent has funding from all over The United States. Never no one's ever heard of this guy. He's got more money, and you're out of congress. And I began to think maybe this was a setup, so I thought I would ask you.
Speaker 1: Well, it definitely was, and you're always one of my heroes. I enjoyed your show with Paul Begala and Thanks. When I did had it many
Speaker 0: years ago.
Speaker 1: All the others and enjoyed and and I was always I took my work very seriously. I'm a teacher by profession, youngest of nine kids, firefighter as a volunteer all my life, and that's my devotion even to this day. I don't get any money for it, but it's what I'm committed to and why I care about nine eleven so much. I was at 09:11 I was not 09:11. I was at Trade Center in '93 at the invitation of fire commissioner Howard Safer to go up there and learn about what had occurred the first time they attacked us.
And they introduced me to a young fire officer, former marine, five kids named Ray Downey. He became one of my best friends. Ray told me what he thought we should do. I took his advice seriously and wrote the legislation to create the Gilmore Commission. The Gilmore Commission was chaired by Virginia governor Jim Gilmore, a a man of integrity.
I had him on a podcast last September for twenty minutes, and the Gilmore commission's recommendations were largely what the nine eleven commission took credit for after the fact. One of those recommendations was to have a fusion center of intelligence be put together. At the time I was doing this on behalf of the firefighters to deal with disasters, I was in the position to oversee the funding as the chairman of all military research and technology funding, about a hundred and $80,000,000,000. The services were building information dominant centers. The armies was at Fort Belvoir, and I would get down there regularly and meet with them, and we became good friends.
I didn't bother getting ready into the program. I didn't need to, but I knew what they were using with new software like Starlight Inspires and Fusion and data mining and analysis and and LinkAnalysis. This is gonna be important to prevent what happened in '93. Yes. So I supported
Speaker 0: Which was the first bombing of the world's
Speaker 1: bombing. Right. And as a result, I went to John Hamry, deputy secretary of defense under Clinton, and I said, John, you have to go see what they're doing down there. He did. He called me, said, you're right, mister chairman.
And by the way, John Hamry had endorsed me for chairman of the committee in February as did as did Rumsfeld. Yeah. This is before 09/11, obviously. Both endorsed me publicly. I had their letters.
And he said, but you've gotta convince the CIA and the FBI to let us use their raw data because there are 33 classified systems. And if they don't allow us to use their data, this won't succeed. On November the fourth of nineteen ninety nine, in my office in the Rayburn Building, I had John Hamrae, deputy secretary of defense. I had the deputy director of the FBI, and I had their names, and the deputy director of the CIA. And we talked about the NOAA, National Operation Analysis Hub, policymaker, and warfighters tool to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats, the fusion center.
Hammery said, we need this. I'll I'll manage it. I said, I'll get it funded. The FBI said, great. We're all in.
And the CIA said, we don't want it. We're not supporting it. We're doing something called c I twenty one on our own. I spent two years traveling around the country giving speeches at intelligence forums calling for a fusion center. I put language in two successive defense bills calling for a fusion center.
Nine eleven happens. I get frantic calls from four of those professional staffers at the Able Danger team, which I later learned was the name of this group at Fort Belvoir. We have to see you right away, mister chairman. Scott Philpot, Annapolis grad, navy career, officer, commander of four ships, pleading with me to meet Tony Schaefer, lieutenant colonel, Bronze Star recipient, spy for the military, Aileen Pryce, lieutenant, air force career intelligence officer, expert on computers, and Eric Klein Smith. I met with each of them privately.
They all told me the same story, and they rolled out the charts that I just showed you. Those charts I will make public now because they're not classified. I showed them when I testified before the senate hearing. We identified every cell of Al Qaeda in the world the year before nine eleven. We identified the New York cell, a year before nine eleven.
We knew there was gonna be a problem. The AbleDanger team tried to go to the FBI in just about three times. We have the names. All three times they were stopped. We have the names of the person in the FBI that was told to deny the meetings.
They were not allowed to transfer the information. That information, when I came out with my book, Louie Free, former FBI director, wrote in an op ed in the Wall Street Journal and said on Good Morning America could have prevented nine eleven from happening. That's not me saying that. That's Louie Free. And general Keith Lambert, our general in charge of special operations on horseback, was asked in this award winning book, became a movie, on page 27.
General, what were your thoughts when nine eleven happened? And he said, within seconds, I knew who had done the attack, and I knew it would involve Muhammad Ada. Thirdly, after this all broke and I came out with my book criticizing the agency and started really going crazy protecting these brave heroes that were being abused by defense intelligence. The inspector general for the Pentagon files a whistleblower paper. I have a copy of it.
I'll give it to you. His name is John Crane. He asked for protection because his bosses in DIA refused to allow him to become a whistleblower when he told them that he was told to lie to the congress. He was told to misinform the congress. I have that in writing, Tucker.
The nine eleven commission is a cover up, 1000% cover up. Zelikow was the lead of the cover up.
Speaker 0: Philip Zelikow was
Speaker 1: the Zelikow. He was handpicked by Condoleezza Rice. When when Tony Schaeffer met Zelikow over in Afghanistan, because Zelicow took a team through to see if there were soldiers who had maybe encountered some information about nine eleven in advance. Tony Schafer had been back deployed in Afghanistan at the time, so he told his commanding officer I should talk to them because I was a part of a special team. He met with Zelicow.
They exchanged business cards and Kabul. And Zelicow said to him, lieutenant colonel, you've gotta see me as as soon as you get back to America. It's very important. When Tony went back to The States, they had shut down his office, locked his office, secured all his files, and they then worked to destroy his personal, reputation. They tried to destroy his career.
I went to the floor and did a one hour special order calling it a scandal bigger than Watergate. You can watch the footage. It's available online. I said this is outrageous that the Defense Intelligence Agency is screwing a lieutenant colonel because he's telling the truth about what he was told to talk about when he came back from Afghanistan. Tony Schaeffer then went to work in the reserves because he had been basically harassed by the regular army because of what Zelicow did.
Speaker 0: So so I just wanna back up a couple steps. So you're saying what others have said before, which is that elements of the US government worked really, really hard to hide the fact that they could have prevented nine eleven, that they had all the relevant information and for whatever reason ignored it. But motive really matters here. Do you believe that there were people in The US Government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and didn't share information with other agencies, therefore nine eleven happened, which is basically the conclusion of the nine eleven report, I think? Or do you believe that there were people in the US government who knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen on purpose?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, the nine eleven report has no credibility.
Speaker 0: I I
Speaker 1: don't believe anything that is in that. It's a bunch of garbage. It's a lot of paper that has no substance. And I tend not to want to speculate on things that I can't prove 100% myself Yes. Or I'm not willing to take a polygraph.
What I can tell you unequivocally is there was a cover up. And before I answer your question, I would state one more fact. Tony Schaeffer got approval from his commanding general after this whole whole thing happened to read his memoirs. His memoirs are called Dark Heart. So he wrote the book.
He had a publisher. The publishers he went to his commanding general to review the book as his protocol. His commanding general said, fine, Tony. There's nothing there that's a problem. Publish it.
Tony publishes the book. Our deep state finds out he's publishing the book. A cease and desist order is issued against the publisher. Stop publishing the book. It's too late.
Our government our government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition of Dark Heart with taxpayer money, and they destroy them. So I asked Tony on a show last September as I've done many times. Tony, you have the original version of the book. Right? Yes.
Here it is, congressman. You have the redacted version. Right? Yes. Here it is.
What did they want out of your book that was so sensitive? What secret information were you giving, Tony? What classified information did your boss not see? He said, congressman, the only thing they wanted out of my book was the fact that I named Zellekow and that I briefed him in advance. That, Tucker, is treason.
That means our agencies our agencies use their position not for something involving our national security, but for involving a a cover up of a person's identity who was publicly approved by the congress of the United States appointed by the security adviser to president Bush. It's a massive cover up.
Speaker 0: At what point following nine eleven, since I just wanna restate, you served in congress for about twenty years, I Yep. And you really were at the heart of these questions, national security questions in the congress. You were about to become chairman of farm services. So you're at the top of the pyramid for for receiving relevant intelligence. At what point because you weren't just some random guy at all.
At what point after nine eleven, the attacks of that day, did you realize there's something bad going on here?
Speaker 1: Well, it it started before 09:11 when I realized that the intelligence I was getting as the vice chairman of the committee was not really solid intelligence. I would get better information from Bill Gertz, a reporter that you know Yes. Coming to me with anonymous sources leaking to him Yes. About intel matters. And I would then go to the CIA and say, why am I getting this information from a reporter that I know you're leaking from classified sources that I'm not getting as a member of congress who's the vice chairman of the defense committee?
Are you playing games with me? And they wouldn't answer that. And that's what they do. They play games by manipulating the media to put out a narrative, and then we have to deal with that narrative. So, Tucker, what I did, there's a group in Washington that was known as the cockroaches.
They're a group of people that work for the intelligence agencies that get along socially, and I knew them all. They trusted me. I formed a loose net network of about 15 or 20. We met for breakfast every week in the member's dining room in the capital, and they would feed me raw data. They would feed me raw data, then I would go to the classified briefings using that raw data, and I would ask questions of the CIA in front of the entire committee.
And in many cases, I was the acting chairman because the the chairman wasn't there. So here I am, the acting chairman of the entire committee of armed services that fully embarrassed the, the intelligence agencies. I'll get into that when we talk about the 09:11 information, and post 09:11 where they put Bin Laden. The point is that the agency plays games with congress. The congress thinks it's getting good information, and it's not.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: The agency wants members fighting with each other over stupid things so they can do what they want. And it's not all. There are good people in the agencies Yes. That I worked with, and I would go to go to war over. But there are some scumbags.
I know those scumbags. At the appropriate time, I'll name those scumbags who have made millions and millions of dollars and are making millions and millions of dollars today. They're making it in Ukraine. They're making it around the world because of context they established. And all that ties back to their positions that they got supposedly working intelligence for The US.
That's not what this country's all about. And you asked about my daughter.
Speaker 0: What happened? So give us the timeline. So you 09/11 happens. You keep ascending in congress, and you really and I remember this well because I interviewed you on these topics at the time twenty years ago when your book came out. And you start saying, wait a second, the US government really blew this.
There are people who knew this was happening, was going to happen, and for whatever reason didn't stop it. And you're really the only Republican who's saying this. And then 02/2006, you're up for reelection. It's an even year, of course, and and you're from your district in Pennsylvania after twenty years. And out of nowhere, the FBI raids your daughter's house, and we're all told it's because she's corrupt, you're corrupt, etcetera, etcetera.
And then you lose, and we kind of lose track of you, and Washington goes on as it does, and no one talks about nine eleven again. I think that's fair to say. I mean, I was there. I I remember when all this happened, though. Didn't it all.
I didn't put it together in my head at all until about a year ago. Was thinking about this in the shower. Whatever happened to Kurt Weldon and his daughter? So I go on the Internet. I'm like, is Kurt Weldon's daughter in prison because she's so corrupt?
Like Never talked to. So so what happened?
Speaker 1: So Okay. Well, here's what
Speaker 0: happened. Thousand six.
Speaker 1: In in in 1999 and February, they wanted me to run for chairman of the committee to jump over four or
Speaker 0: five Which committee? The armed services. Yes.
Speaker 1: But in congress, the protocol is you wait few times. So I have letters, which I can show you, Tucker, from Donald Rumsfeld endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee in February.
Speaker 0: Yes. I have
Speaker 1: a letter from from deputy secretary of defense John Hamry endorsing me to become chairman of the committee in February. Dozens and dozens of letters. Then nine eleven happens. I felt personally responsible because I knew that we could have prevented it by the information that the Able Danger team established by general Hugh Shelton had gathered and tried to transfer three times and were blocked. So I said, uh-uh.
I got I owe this to Ray Downey. I'm wearing his jacket today. I owe this to the firefighters in New York and around the country to get to the truth if it's the last thing I do. And I owe it to all those soldiers that we're now sending overseas.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: So what I did, Tucker, I supported George Bush when he said we're going to send our troops over to Afghanistan. He made those heroic comments about we're gonna get them. I took that as a patriotic American and said, yes. We're gonna get them. But I was worried about what the Afghans might do as they did the Russian troops when they were in Afghanistan.
So, Tucker, with Al Santoli, whom you know Yep. And two other members of congress, I privately, without the knowledge of our government or the CIA, I went to, Paris. We met with king Zahir Shah, the king of Afghanistan who was living in exile with his family in Paris. We met with him to convince him to go back to Kabul to convene a lawyer Georgia of all the tribes, to to convince them to accept the American troops before they went in so it wouldn't be like they did with Russia. King Zahir Shah agreed to that.
I'll give you the photographs, Tucker. And I had two members of congress and Al Santoli with me, decorated Vietnam Veteran. Zahir Shah went back. I did all I could to protect our American troops, not the CIA, our troops. Then I find out, my intel team, those 20 people that were feeding me raw data, give me data within months after nine eleven, that Bin Laden's been sited in a town called Ladiz.
I have nowhere no idea where Ladiz is, so I grew up Pennsylvania Avenue to a bookstore and buy a map. I just gave you the map here today, Tucker. You can show it. And I found Ladiz. It's not in Afghanistan.
It's not in Pakistan. It's in Iran, in an area called Balochistan. So I go to the next classified briefing for the full committee. Now I'm the vice chairman of full committee. There are 60 members.
I'm the acting chairman at this time. So I said to the CIA, I have information of bin Laden's in Ladiz. This is their response to me. Mister chairman, we've heard similar reports. We could either confirm or deny them.
I was in shock. I was in shock. We're sending kids to die in Afghanistan, and we can't confirm or deny whether or not Bin Laden's in Ladiz? Three Months go by. I'm still supporting the president.
My intel team comes back to me and say, Kurt, he's being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing, and I ask the question in front of the full committee. And the answer from the CIA is, mister chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny that Bin Laden is being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran while we're sending kids to die in Afghanistan. I said, this is outrageous.
And then, Tucker, I get a call from Jack Murtha, the most respected democrat in the house, former marine, who I worked with closely. And he says to me, I want you to meet with Ron Klink, democrat from Pittsburgh. And Ron Klink's still alive. He'll verify this, Tucker. Jack's dead, but Ron's alive.
He said, Jack has a person who used to work for the agency that has information about Iran. And you investigate this kind of stuff, Kurt. Will you meet with him? I said, sure. Ron Klint comes to my office and brings this very tall man who's a former person from the the Swedish area, but he's a US citizen.
And I said, how can I help you? You know, congressman Murphy asked me to help. Ron Klink wants me to help. He said, congressman, I want you to help me get into Iran. I said, why do you wanna go to Iran?
He said, that's where bin Laden is. I said, why would you tell me that bin Laden's in Iran? He said, I was a knock for the agency. Do know what a knock is?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Nonofficial cover.
Speaker 1: That's right. He said, I was a knock for the agency, and I worked that area. And my friends are seeing Bin Laden in Iran. If you help me get to Tehran, I'll leave my identity there. I'll get a piece of him dead or alive, and I'll bring it back.
At the time, there was a $25,000,000 reward for Bin Laden. I said, can't help you right now because I'm in a battle over this follow-up to 09:11. Then I get another call, Tucker, from the interior department, totally separate. They wanna bring in their top bird man, their bird expert. I didn't think that was unusual because I was a Republican on the migratory bird commission.
The migratory bird commission No. There was a migratory oversees all the flyways for all the refuges up and down the coast. I was a Republican. John Conner's
Speaker 0: like me. Thank you, by the way.
Speaker 1: John John Dingle was a Democrat. Of
Speaker 0: course. I've duck hunted with him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured they wanna talk about birds. I'm on the bird commission. I'll meet with them. So this interior department bird expert brings in a US citizen from Maine who's a Sikh, but he's a US citizen, very wealthy family.
And he's got two falcons on his shoulders, million dollar birds with the blinders on, beautiful, into my office. I said, good boy. They're gorgeous. How can I be? He said, well, congressman, I've devoted my life to falcons.
He said, I helped write the UN protection treaties on falconry. He said, I trained all the children of the royal families in the sport of falconry Yes. Because that's their sport. He said, they all know me. They all trust me.
They all
Speaker 0: In the Arab world. It's huge. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1: He said, so and I wanna help the country, and there's a reward for bin I said, yeah. I know that. He said, I want you to help me go to Iran. I said, why do you wanna go to Iran? Now he knows nothing about anything else I'm doing.
My my falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. You help me go to Iran. They'll accept me there because they know me. I'll tag his birds, and I'll take The US to exactly where he is. That's four four full source identities that Bin Laden was exactly where my intel people said he was.
Over the course of time, Tucker, I developed 10 silver bullets. They want to do a movie about me after they took me out, and I'll get to when they took me out. I got a call from Michael Scheuer. Michael was career CIA. After I was taken out of office, he called my home.
He said, congressman, do you remember me? I said vaguely, Michael. He said, well, I was the chairman of the Bin Laden task force in the CIA, and these people that you've that have met with you have shown me documents I never saw when I was working in the agency, and I was the Bin Laden task force director. He said, we want you to work with us. We want you to be involved in a movie we're doing.
I said, Michael, after what they did to my family, I can't do it right now. I hung up the phone. I get a call from general McInerney. About three months later, Tom McInerney. He said, congressman, you remember?
I said, yes, general. I remember you. He said, I'd I'd like you to work with us, congressman. I'm working with Michael Scheuer and and the Falconer, and we want you to be I said, I'm not getting involved after what they did to my family. They all had the same story, Tucker.
So what was happening in 02/2006? All my elections were landslides.
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Get 25 off. We enjoy them. You will too. Can I just ask you to pause for one second? So you had a lot of evidence, it sounds like Absolute evidence.
That Bin Laden was not in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Right. He was supposedly ultimately killed. Not in Iraq. He was in Iran.
But Iran was also in the crosshairs of the Bush administration. It was part of the so called axis of evil at the time. People were talking about invading Iran then. Why would the Bush administration hide the fact that
Speaker 1: It wasn't the Bush administration. Oh. Let me explain to you. And this is what Trump needs to understand. It started under Clinton when the Clinton administration Bill and Hillary Clinton, I have no respect for, were allowed to be themselves to be used so they could make money.
Tens and tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars because they allowed people, unscrupulous people, to control the agenda in Russia and around the world. And you've been going after some of this involving Russia. I can give you dozens of hard examples.
Speaker 0: I believe it. We've we've talked about this off camera, but I just wanna get to specifically Continued? Who was hiding the fact that Bin Laden was in Iran and why?
Speaker 1: Okay. It continued under Bush junior. Yep. And as I said, up until February, they wanted me to be chairman. All of a sudden, when I started questioning nine eleven, all of a sudden, the Bush people said, woah.
Yeah. I bet. John Sununu, after I was out of office, I had a lot of respect for it was Bush's chief.
Speaker 0: Smart man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. I was in his office, and he's they said this to me. He said, you know, congressman, you were a great member. Everyone respected you, but you made one fundamental mistake.
I said, what was that, John? He said, when you come to the city, you're either on one rail or the other rail, and you went down the middle and took on both rails. I said, well, John, I didn't pledge allegiance to the Republican Party.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I pledged allegiance to the constitution. You guys were ecstatic when I took on the Clintons, when I took on Sandy Berger, when I took on the scumbags and what they did with China and Russia. You were ecstatic. But then when I saw things happening at 09:11, all of us he said, well, that's why you're not here. I said, you know what, John?
So be it. It's not the end of my life. And one day I'll tell the story, John. One day I'll tell the story because that's what America needs to hear. They need members of congress who don't become duped by scumbags and the intelligence agency making money for themselves.
And you know what, Tucker? I challenge them. I'll name them, and I'll give their dollar amounts of where they're making money today in the countries that we're at war with. They care about themselves and their power. They don't care about the lives of the kids that we send to war.
I saw it in Libya. I saw it in North Korea. I led delegations that were bipartisan to all of those places. They took it out on my daughter.
Speaker 0: So I I just wanna get one more time to the question of why who was hiding the fact that Bin Laden was actually in Iran? Our our intelligence agencies. They they have plausible deniability. In the end, I have 10
Speaker 1: silver bullets including two royal family members from two different royal families from two different countries, including in the end, the person that was in the room who was a knock for our government for fifty years. He's not from The US. He's become a friend of mine. He's been to my home. We've met dozens of times.
And on one of my trips to The Middle East, he said to me, you know, he calls you my my dear. You were right. I said, about what? He said, about a lot of things. But you're right about Bin Laden.
I said, what do you mean? He said, well, he was placed in Iran, in Balochistan. He said, I said, well he said I said, you know? He said, yes. I know that.
He said, I was in the room when the deal was cut. The US has plausible deniability. They weren't in the room. Was the point to get to Iraq? The point was to the the point was to manipulate, to get our troops committed, to go over to fight the battles in Afghanistan, Iraq, and that whole region of the world.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And they had to have the justification to do that.
Speaker 0: I believe it.
Speaker 1: But in the end, when five years ago, and even Trump doesn't know this, I'm sure, we killed someone that Trump took great credit for, and I applaud him for it.
Speaker 0: And he said, we killed this guy. Soleimani.
Speaker 1: That's right. Soleimani was the guy the deal was cut with. The deal was not cut with the Iranian government, and we need to understand that. And this is the heart of what we have to get to. The Iranian people are not our enemy.
I wrote this book in 02/2005, Countdown to Tear. It's all about Iran. It says that the people of Iran are not our enemy. And this book was endorsed by Jim Woolsey with a three page letter.
Speaker 0: Former CIA director.
Speaker 1: Former CIA director. This book was endorsed by Al Caravelli, Jack Caravelli, Gore CIA adviser. They both endorsed my book. The book was so popular that the people of Iran published it in Farsi. There it is.
And they published the book. Without my approval, they published my book. It became a bestseller in Iran because it said, you're not the enemy of the American people. Here's what happened, Tucker. When the Shah was in power think back.
We were best friends with Iran. Of course. Our intelligence people trained the Iranian intelligence people. We trained them. They're our people.
When the radical Ayatollahs and the mullahs took over Iran, they did not bring a new intelligence service. They did not change the agency. The IRG stayed the same. The deal to place bin Laden in Iran wasn't cut with the Iranian government. It was cut with Soleimani, and that's why we killed him.
Our intelligence agency has tentacles around the world, and they're not answering to anybody. And that's the problem right now. That's the problem Trump has. Yeah. He can cut off the security clearance of 51, but those that network extends far and wide around the world, and they can play all the games they want in Ukraine, in other countries.
And until we go after that, this is not gonna stop.
Speaker 0: That's consistent all consistent with what I've seen.
Speaker 1: And I
Speaker 0: would say. And that's I don't figure That's not a crazy statement.
Speaker 1: That's the challenge that Trump has right now. I still think he's at risk. Last May, I went on a TV show locally in the Philadelphia area, and I said my greatest challenge is they're gonna try to take Trump out. A month later Yeah. They they did the attack.
You know, it goes back to when Trump first when I kept quiet because I couldn't trust any of the administrations after I left, including the Bush administration, because Bush wasn't in control. And I can give you example after example
Speaker 0: I I saw that.
Speaker 1: Bush not being in control. I knew who was in control. When Trump was going in, I met with Rudy Giuliani. I had two private dinners with him up in New York. I had not known Rudy that well.
I said, Rudy, this is what's gonna happen. The deep state's gonna undermine Trump. They don't want him. They will undermine him by removing his ability to understand how they operate. Before he took office, they took out general Mike Flynn.
Yep. When they took out Flynn, Trump was like a baby in the woods. And for four years, they used the congress and they used their connections to derail this country. That's the problem that occurred in the first Trump four years. This time, I'm trying to get Trump to realize he's he's got a great start, but the people around him don't know what they don't know.
They don't have that historical understanding of what this just didn't happen with Trump. I mean, they took me out in 02/2006.
Speaker 0: So let's get to that. They took you out in 02/2006, and that's kind of where this conversation began. I I remember that very well, and it was like there were pictures on TV. I worked then at CNN. There were pictures of, you know, FBI and their blue jackets outside your daughter's house, and it's like, Kurt Weldon corruption scandal.
And then you lost to Sestak. Is it Sestak who was like a former general and just like a
Speaker 1: He got demoted. He was a three star demoted to a two star. His wife worked on the Clinton Security Council. She had intelligence ties. She still does.
Her name was, I think, Clark. And so he and he was on the NFC
Speaker 0: for But he was, like, the ultimate deep stater.
Speaker 1: Like, on every district. He doesn't live there now. Right. He came into the district to run. He had been in the district, and then he lost, he went back down every chain.
Speaker 0: And all of a sudden I mean, I remember all this really well thinking like
Speaker 1: Well, here's what happened. And then
Speaker 0: he got, you know, massive funding from around the country.
Speaker 1: You know who ran his campaign? His his campaign was managed by the staff director of Sandy Berger's company. Sandy Berger sent his woman to run the Sestac campaign. And I I did a one hour floor speech about Sandy Berger calling him a traitor. Yeah.
And we could talk about really, we
Speaker 0: just I'd like to. I'm I'm just getting far field once again, and my my apologies for that. But okay. So to your daughter and the FBI raid, did you have warning? Like, what No advance what happened?
Speaker 1: No advance warning. We we, you know, the we would have won the election. The polls were in October were showing that we were up by about six or eight points. All my elections have been landslides because I'm moderate Republican. And this one, I would have become chairman of the committee.
No doubts about that. You know, for some reason, the the Sestac campaign was maxed out every week in a TV buy. You know? And three weeks before my election, I get a call on a Monday morning that agents had appeared at my daughter's home at 7AM. And I didn't know what's that all about.
And so I immediately said, cancel the TV ads. My daughter's more important than some TV ads for a campaign, and I didn't know whether she might have done something wrong. I didn't think she would have. And and so we stopped the campaign. But something that I haven't talked about in the past, Tucker, the same time they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my district who's a democrat who, interestingly enough, they shut down his Philadelphia office.
They brought dogs and helicopters and all to downtown Philly, same time. At the time they raided his office, he had been working for FBI counterintelligence against Russia for two years that I had arranged two years earlier. I had arranged two years earlier. Under oath. So the counterintell people handling him went to his office and were sitting with him while these agents from DC come in, and you had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time.
And the counter intel people are saying, don't answer any questions. We don't know what this is, but you're doing work for our country. The other ones don't know why they're sent there. Their first question is, mister Gallagher, isn't it true that you're related to congressman Kurt Weldon? And John starts laughing at them because congressman Walden's wife's last name is the same name as mine, and you're from the FBI?
I know who told them that, Tucker. Wait. So what but what
Speaker 0: was the pretext for raiding your daughter's house?
Speaker 1: There was none. They never talked to her.
Speaker 0: So what was she charged with? What did she go
Speaker 1: They never charged her they never charged her with anything. They never talked to her. There was no charge.
Speaker 0: So the FBI just shows up.
Speaker 1: Shows up, raids, takes boxes out, and then gives her the boxes back unopened, still taped. Nothing. Did when did
Speaker 0: they give the boxes back?
Speaker 1: That was months later.
Speaker 0: After you'd lost?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The and not only that, three months after the election, the annual fire dinner in Washington, which I started, 2,000 people attend, members of congress, house and senate, George Bush, the father, former CIA director, does a tribute to me, which you can I sent it to your staffer? Yeah. You can play it. And he says in the tribute, congressman Walden, you're the kind of leader that America needs.
You're the kind of leader that leaves the country safer, stronger. Those aren't my words. Those are George Bush senior's words to 2,000 people after they raided my daughter's house.
Speaker 0: After you'd already been neutralized. After I've not gonna be
Speaker 1: It was all about
Speaker 0: getting me out. So did you what? So the the raid comes. You must be completely confused. You call your daughter and say, like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: She she was totally devastated. Ruined her life. What do you how do you deal with that?
Speaker 0: I don't know. How do
Speaker 1: you deal how do you deal with your kid?
Speaker 0: I'm probably gonna find out at
Speaker 1: some point. If you wanna you wanna come after me you know? And that's what I say to them. They're scumbags.
Speaker 0: Oh, I know.
Speaker 1: You scumbag, if you wanna come after me, come after me publicly. If you're gonna hide and go do something behind somebody, which you do, none there are good people in the agency. But there are scumbags that work in our agencies, and I know them, and they're making money. They're million dollar people, and their million dollar companies are gonna be exposed if it's the last thing I do. And you'll see the ties around the world to the million dollar intel people who've made money off the backs of young American kids who have died in wars while they make money, or their companies make money.
And I'll give you example after example of that. In Russia, in Ukraine, around the world, in Libya, that's what's wrong. And until we understand that, it's not gonna stop. And Donald Trump's people need to understand that. We're not playing tiddlywinks out in the schoolyard.
We're playing with bad people.
Speaker 0: I agree. I I yeah. As I've said, I've I've I've seen it up close, so I know that you're telling the truth. What they do to my family is outrageous. So so this happens, and in the final month of a campaign with Three weeks.
Three weeks. With this challenger who doesn't live in your district who all of a sudden has I think I'm remembering this correctly, a lot of his money came from California.
Speaker 1: All of it.
Speaker 0: All of it.
Speaker 1: Then we find out, Tucker. I'll give it to you. We get a memo. My staff does some digging. What's going on?
And we find a memo that was sent to my staff in September, a month before this, from the National Republican Congressional Committee to my campaign committee saying, hey. For some reason, your opponent just cut his TV buy for one week in October by $500,000. The week was the week they raided my daughter's house.
Speaker 0: Because he wouldn't need it.
Speaker 1: So they told the Democrats the week they were gonna raid my daughter's house.
Speaker 0: I believe it.
Speaker 1: Because they didn't need
Speaker 0: the advertising that week. But what's crazy, if if you think about it and by the way, should say of of Sestek, who I always thought was just such a reptile, but he had kind of, like, the perfect views. He was very liberal socially, but on foreign policy questions, he was just a national security state He's a loser. Perfect national security state.
Speaker 1: He's an embarrassment, and I'll say it publicly. He's an embarrassment. Oh, I I And what he did to my family, I'll
Speaker 0: never forget. So but that's the Bush Justice Department. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: That's the Bush FBI. It's the it's the and I wrote a letter to Mueller, which I'll give you
Speaker 0: Mueller was FBI director there?
Speaker 1: Yes. I wrote a personal memo to him on LinkedIn, right to his personal self. And I said, mister Mueller, I respect you personally for being a marine, but you're a scumbag for what you did to my family.
Speaker 0: So did you call over to the White House and say, like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: I called Karl Rove. He said, get a good lawyer. I have no respect for Karl Rove.
Speaker 0: Well, no one does.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that story on another show.
Speaker 0: Wait. So but your daughter's house gets raided. She doesn't get charged with anything. The FBI never even
Speaker 1: Not isn't talked to. Not charged. Doesn't even get talked to. No one.
Speaker 0: And CNN were all admitted. I then worked.
Speaker 1: You know the the only person that defended me?
Speaker 0: Who? You're gonna laugh. No. Probably not.
Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough.
Speaker 0: I believe that.
Speaker 1: He was on my committee. Joe Scarborough, I'll give you the article, defended me and said, congressman Walt will never do anything like this. And the stupid jerk reporter said, oh, Scarborough, I don't know what he's talking about. Joe Scarborough was the only one at that time who really publicly aggressively defended.
Speaker 0: I believe that, and I knew Joe very well very well then. And
Speaker 1: He was on my committee on
Speaker 0: He's not a stupid person, by the way, whatever Joe's many faults. He's not dumb, and he gets how politics work.
Speaker 1: But he
Speaker 0: won't talk to me now. Of course not. Okay. So you call Karl Rove, and you say, what the hell, Karl Rove? What is going on here?
And he just says He's
Speaker 1: to get a good lawyer.
Speaker 0: That was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's the same scumbag that when I told him that I told this company in Florida that was being harassed to hire lobbies, I told him to hire Bob Dole, he starts screaming at me on the phone. He said, who are you to tell anybody to hire Bob Dole's law firm? I said, Bob Dole's a war hero. He's a credible person.
He said, don't you know who his partner is? I said, I have no idea who his partner is. Well, his partner was Ian Richards from Texas. What does that have to do with somebody doing national security issues? Because Karl Roeb was from Texas and his nemesis in Texas was Bob Dole's partner, he didn't want them to benefit?
Speaker 0: That's what he's like.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's like. He's a small
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Speaker 1: Well, it's the end of my public career, but I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 0: I know. I I got that.
Speaker 1: Lot of people that support. Now people want me to talk, and I am talking because Trump's in power. And the only thing they can do is they can kill me. Now two of my friends were killed, or I think they were killed. One was threatened by a a guy that was running to be the head of the CIA.
He got a call. This guy that was live was in Florida, John Quirk, was career intelligence for the CIA, and he helped me. He gave me all the internal stuff of what they were doing to try to they try to portray me as a Russian spy of all this stupidity. Right. Been there.
So so right. So Quirk called me. He said, you won't believe who I got a call from. Uh-huh. He told me the guy's name.
He said, the guy said to me, why are you helping Kurt Weldon and and Jaw Jaw. Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's a patriot. The guy slammed down the phone. That guy's a multimillionaire in New York right now. Multimillionaire.
Get his money off the backs of the American people.
Speaker 0: What happened to your friend? You think he was murdered?
Speaker 1: I think he was given a they both had fast moving cancer, and that's a typical process that the agency uses overseas when they wanna get rid of somebody.
Speaker 0: I'm aware of that. Most people are not aware of that. But do do you know that to be true that that is a I
Speaker 1: don't I don't I can't prove it.
Speaker 0: No. But do you know that
Speaker 1: I know that they both died suddenly.
Speaker 0: The the US government has the technology
Speaker 1: to Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. Infect people with fast moving cancer. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: As they do with the you know, in 1997, I did the first hearing on asymmetric threats. I was the chairman of the research committee, and I focused on four threats that and you can read about them. The first threat was the use of drones, which nobody was using then. The second was cyberattacks, which is now a big deal. The third was EMP.
People don't even know what EMP is. I was the leader
Speaker 0: of that.
Speaker 1: I wrote the EMP legislation. And the fourth was cognitive warfare. People don't understand cognitive warfare. And today, our intelligence agency is trying to pretend they don't know what it is. Like, oh, we don't know what that is.
It's because the the Russians have used it, and the Chinese, they call it Havana syndrome. Right. We know what it is.
Speaker 0: Directed energy weapons.
Speaker 1: Directed energy weapons.
Speaker 0: But you believe that and the only reason I'm pushing on this is because I know for a fact that highly informed people in other countries with, you know, real intel services who are not crazy or sophisticated take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to transmit fatal cancer from one person to another or from a machine to a person. And you know that that's true?
Speaker 1: I don't know that the details. I know the research that was being done when I was chairman of the oversight committee for research was very provocative, and we need members of congress that are unafraid to get fully immersed in understanding what we're doing and why we're doing it. The problem with the members of congress is that there are good members in both parties, but they get staffers who have career goals. And their career goal might be to go work at the Pentagon or go work for the agency. Yes.
So they get compromised midway through. You can't have that. You gotta have people to understand their loyalty has gotta be for the country and for what their original goal. And that's why it's so important that we and and the old the ultimate goal here is to have this presidential commission on 09/11 to hold people accountable and to let the president appoint a commission that asked the questions of what really happened, both intelligence wise and with the actual structure so that we understand, and then we make those people accountable. Believe me, when we do that, then you shake the system up.
Speaker 0: I agree with that, and and I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things that the US government has done with our money and our name over the past sixty years. You know, starting with the Kennedy assassination, which the president, you know, has issued an executive order on January 23 to declassify it hasn't hasn't happened. MLK, RFK, etcetera, etcetera. We should know what happened in the in Butler Township in July. But I think the big the big story is nine eleven and every
Speaker 1: The reason is all those happened decades ago, and I agree with you. Nine eleven is only 24 ago, and I have all the information. I have the firefighters ready to go. I have the tapes of the firefighters and what they saw and heard. I have all the architects and engineers and all their 3,000 of them risking their careers.
I have the lawyers. I have the families. Everybody's ready to go. All Trump has to do is name a new presidential commission. Let them do the investigation.
We'll give them all the material, and then we'll show the country that we cannot we will not allow these people to to commit these kinds of out they're not even unscrupulous. They're outrageous and scandalous and treacherous acts against our nation. Imagine planning to kill American people. I can't begin to think of that.
Speaker 0: Okay. So but you've also just said that two friends of yours died of fast moving cancers.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I
Speaker 0: my Well, they died of cancer. Of cancer. Right. But you think that the the people who are hiding the truth about nine eleven are capable of murder?
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Well, I guess that would be obvious since 3,000 people were murdered that day.
Speaker 1: Just like Libya. We we were the ones that caused Qaddafi's death because Hillary Clinton played a game over there, and I I was the one that went over there during the war. Qaddafi asked me to come over. I took a Biden staffer and a Bush staffer and a film crew leader from ABC one in New York, Larry Mendy with me and a cameraman, because I didn't want the CA to set me up. I hand carried the letter back from Gaddafi offering to resign.
The US didn't want him to resign. They want to kill him. Why? Because Gaddafi and I met him three times. I took Biden on my second trip to Libya, by the way.
He went with me when I spoke to the whole country. At every meeting I had with Gaddafi, he wanted two things. He wanted to unite the African continent into into a group of nations economically, like European stand goal like the European economy. He wanted to base it on the gold standard, and the The US and Europe didn't want that. For and the other thing is they wanted control of his oil, and they wanted control of his sovereign wealth.
So Gaddafi had to go. That's outrageous, and it's wrong.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But that, I think, sounds right to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, but we've allowed so many of our kids to be drawn into conflicts to be killed. And these people doing this are they've never served in any capacity in our country. They've never been in the military. They've never served on a fire ground, and it's outrageous that they think they can get away with us and sit back and make all this money. It's outrageous.
Speaker 0: I couldn't agree more. So what let's get to nine eleven itself, and and you were so deeply involved in so many parts of this personally that it's I think it's easy to go off on different tangents, but just to the extent that you can describe what you know to be true, you said don't want to speculate as to motive, for example, but what you know to be true, what do you think the core truth of nine eleven, September eleventh two thousand and one is?
Speaker 1: I I I don't at this point in time, I have my own perceptions. I don't have something I can give a % I can't swear on, but I what I'm seeing bothers me to the core of my body that nine eleven did not happen because a group of hijackers got control of some planes. First of all, I have confirmed that two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working for the CIA. They were on the CIA payroll, and that was confirmed to me by someone in writing from one of our agencies, and I have that letter. So two of the people involved were actually working for the CIA in one of the planes.
I know that, and they lost control of them. And there were reprimands against those agency people after the fact. Second, I know the intelligence, they tried three times to transfer the information about information that could have prevented nine eleven. That's fact.
Speaker 0: To the justice department.
Speaker 1: And I have the name of the person that at the justice department they contacted, and she was told to cancel the meetings. They couldn't have the meetings.
Speaker 0: Who who did that order come from?
Speaker 1: Who That's that that's what needs to be investigated. Okay. And then we have John Crane, the inspector general of the Pentagon, who went to the extent of issuing a, request, for whistleblower status because he was told to lie to the congress and lie about pre nine eleven intelligence and able danger. And then we have general, the the book by the general and his comments that he knew within seconds of none of this is in the nine eleven commission report. The nine eleven commission report is a piece of garbage.
Speaker 0: Well, then you also have it. I don't I mean, this is just a fact. I don't know what to make of it, but you have a guy called Alex Jones, who's a broadcaster, who said that summer that the World Trade Centers are getting hit by planes and a guy called Osama Bin Laden is gonna be blamed. He said that on tape with a time stamp, so we know that that actually happened. That's not not making it up.
It's not a conspiracy theory. He said that, and it's like, how would he know that? That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was thinking in Washington where I lived at the time that so then my question is, okay. If I'm Philip Zellico, the guy running the nine eleven commission, I'm calling Alex Jones immediately, saying, come on in under oath, and we're gonna find out how did you know that. And instead, the US government, the FBI in particular, set about to destroy Alex Jones and and almost succeeded.
I mean, they engineered a billion dollar judgment against him, etcetera, etcetera, but they really have, like, tried to to to kill him for saying that. And it's like if you wanted to get to the truth, why would you act that way? Why would you knock you out of congress?
Speaker 1: At the time of 09/11, I had been to the World Trade Center in '93. The governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, called my office, talked to me personally, thanked me for coming up. He watched my one hour presentation. I was back up there with Ray Downey. I brought Ray Downey's widow and five kids down in my district after 09:11 to honor him as a hero.
I, I was up all during the 09:11 incident at Ground 0, and I did everything I could to and I felt responsible. Do you know the nine eleven commission would not let me testify before the commission? Now I'm a firefighter. I'm a fire chief. I'm a state fire instructor.
I spent my whole career helping protect people from disasters. The nine eleven commission, even though my experience as a member of congress, vice chairman of defense and homeland security, would not call me to testify, would not call me to go in and speak before the line because they knew what I would say. So when the commission said it's gonna issue its report,
Speaker 0: which was when Pardon me. What year was that?
Speaker 1: It was when the report was released. I think it was 02/2005. So what I did, the the report was being released in the ways and means room of the Cannon Building. I went over. I sat in the front row to be the first one.
Lee Hamilton and Tom Keene were up there. Good people. I don't blame them. Yeah. It wasn't them.
It was the staffers that controlled this. It wasn't the commissioners.
Speaker 0: It's a Zellekow guy.
Speaker 1: That's right. Zelicow and Gurelik and Dieter Snell. Dieter Snell was a staffer working for them.
Speaker 0: Jay Jamie Gurelik, who was a Clinton DOJ
Speaker 1: who wrote the firewall memo that said you can't transfer military intelligence to civilian law enforcement.
Speaker 0: Think Bill Crystal's cousin too, unless I'm misremembering him.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the case.
Speaker 0: I So
Speaker 1: I sat in the front row and I said, Lee, why did you not allow me to testify? And he said to me, well, congressman, you know, we had a lot of people that wanted to testify. Now I'm the representative of all the firefighters in the country. I'm the point person for the firefighters. Yes.
I'm a firefighter and a fire chief. I had been at the Trade Center in '93. I had been there in in 09/11, and they would not let me testify because they didn't wanna hear what I had to say.
Speaker 0: What would you have said?
Speaker 1: I would have said that is that we caused this. What do you mean? With the intelligence, the the I had the evidence that we we could have stopped this? Not me. Louie Free said that.
Based upon what I came out with, Louie Free's op ed in the Wall Street Journal, which I can give you a copy of, said the the, nine eleven commission was an incomplete investigation. And he also went on Good Morning America and said the same thing. They tried to blame Louie Free because Louie Free had left, the FBI the year before nine eleven happened. So he was their scapegoat. And I to this day, I think Louie's very upset over that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I believe that.
Speaker 1: So the only way around this is to have a new for the firefighters of America and for our country to have an independent commission be appointed and give that commission full authority to take this wherever it goes, including the end result. And the end result may be very ugly.
Speaker 0: I I there's this a sense in which that's pretty obvious. I mean, like, why why is anything from 09/11 still classified? It's our country. It happened to 3,000 of our fellow Americans. We have an absolute right to know what happened.
There's not even a question, and it was almost twenty five years ago. So, like, spare me your lectures about national security. But can I ask you this? So, by the way, I never questioned anything about nine eleven, and I actively attacked people who did. I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact.
I did it on tape more than once. Because my feeling was, well, you know, like, that's divisive or whatever. I was a child and an idiot. But the what began to make me wonder, and I have no idea what happened in nine eleven, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of Building 7. And all the wackos would be like, Building 7, Building 7.
I'd like, shut up, wackos. And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually. No plane hit that building, and it does this happen a lot when buildings catch fire? Right. Okay.
Speaker 1: Besides being a firefighter, I worked for the INA, largest insurance company in North America. I was responsible for training their fire protection arson people for eighteen years. That doesn't happen. You never have a 47 story building just collapse, which this is. Even Donald Trump, I have a tape of him speaking on 09:11, and Donald Trump, which I'll give you a copy
Speaker 0: I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In his own words says, that's controlled demolition.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, it it certainly looks that way. I mean, look. I don't know.
Speaker 1: See, here's what they did. They brought in NIST. They brought in NIST to do a report.
Speaker 0: Can you tell us what NIST is?
Speaker 1: NIST is the the National Institute for Standards and Technology to do an assessment. Now they're like any other federal agency, and there are good people there, but there are people that want their jobs and want their careers, and they're not gonna rock the boat. And they came out with a report that's hogwash. University of Alaska, which is an ex very credible engineering department, did a full reputation of the NIST report, saying it's full with gaps and full with inaccuracies and areas where they did not get the right information. Let me just say this to you.
People say, well, you can't question NIST. NIST always does the right thing. When I went to congress, Tucker, in my first term, I'm two doors from the speaker's office, speaker Jim Wright. His office catches on fire at 07:00 at night. As a firefighter, I go up, punch the door open, get down on my hands, and he's crawling.
The kitchen's fully involved. This is all documented. You can read about it. And, said to my staffer, go get me the portable extinguishers. Three of the five weren't charged.
I said, go get me the hose in the hose station. There was no hose in the hose station. I come back out, and I say, gotta evacuate the building. Now I'm in my first term. It's a seven story building above ground.
No sprinklers, no detectors, no alarms. Here is the building, one of the seven six office buildings whole held holding the house and the senate in violation of every building code and fire code in America. Now I'm an expert on NFPA one zero one, the life safety code, and the BOCA codes. This building, if NIST did its job, NIST would have said, if you're gonna be in congress, you're gonna work in a building where your constituents who are blind and handicapped are not gonna feel threatened. Seven stories above ground.
No alarm system. No detection system. So a fire's occurring, and the police are running through the building yelling fire, get out. That's the you cannot trust the federal agencies.
Speaker 0: Obviously. I of course, that's obvious now. But tell us, like, from an engineering perspective, like, you had three buildings come down, sort of collapse in on themselves, implode, it looked like. And, like, a lot of people have said, many credible, non crazy people have said that was controlled demolition. Was it?
Speaker 1: Well, when I got up there the day after, I I I had been in the trade center at the restaurant on the top several times. There's no way those two buildings could have collapsed into what they were there. Something had to happen.
Speaker 0: Was that obvious to you immediately?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Because, know and they were looking for other firefighters like Ray Downey and the 342 others that were trapped and eventually vaporized. So something happened. Whether there was there there's a there's a a high explosive material, I think it's called fermite, that is used to explode metal and steel and vaporize it.
Those tests were never done on that. There were some limited tests that found that there was some evidence of that, but that the whole thing never was subjected to the kind of investigation that would be warranted when three thousand people die. I mean, you have three thousand people die, you would think it would be a full massive investigation, not going after nine eleven, obviously, but what happened to the buildings and why they come down? They are the only high rise buildings in the world that have ever come down from an airplane hitting them. And those buildings, I read the report from the architect who designed them.
They were designed to withstand an airplane hitting the building and standing tall.
Speaker 0: And especially Building 7, which had no plane hit it. Right.
Speaker 1: No plane hit it, and the building just you could see it. When you watch it on TV, it just implodes straight down. And what really got got me again was Oriole Palmer, that the battalion chief arising on the
Speaker 0: Well, tell tell us who he was. What is
Speaker 1: Oriole Palmer was one of the most inspirational battalion chiefs in New York. FDNY. FDNY, who immediately, in very good shape, had a family, a couple of kids, went in the building as soon as Lee got on the scene, took the elevator up to the Fortieth Floor, got off the elevator, and you could hear him on the comms system say, I'm here, Fortieth Floor. We're gonna start walking up the stairwells. Every five floors, he radios back to communication.
I'm on the Fiftieth Floor. Everything's okay. We're on Floor 60. Everything's okay. He's going up.
Every so many floors, he gives a report. He reaches the 70 Eighth Floor, The Floor Of Impact. He comes out of the stair tower, and as clear as you listening to me here, and I know I get passionate and I apologize
Speaker 0: to the
Speaker 1: ministers for that, he says, we're on Floor 78, The Floor Of Impact. We've got two fires, and we can handle them. One minute later, the whole building collapses. That's not normal. That is not acceptable.
That is not what happened. And this is on tape? It's on tape. The film is called Bravo seven. And if your viewers want it, if they contact you, I'll give it to you.
It's free. It was produced not by Hollywood. It was produced by firefighters. And it includes the footage including the firefighter of the the footage of the firefighter communication between him and the command center. You can hear him as plain as day saying, I'm on the Impact Floor, Floor 70 8.
We have two fires here. We can control them. And he's comfortable. He's not worrying about the building collapsing. He just walked up 38 floors, and the whole building collapses.
Tucker, it's a big lie. Can can
Speaker 0: I like, what okay. Two things. What percentage of firefighters who were there that day are knowledgeable about building fires agree with you on this?
Speaker 1: The I have the utmost respect for the fire department in New York when I wrote the manuscript, Able Danger, which I didn't publish because my lawyer said they would kill me back in 02/2006. I never published it. I'm gonna publish it this year. Last summer in July, I took a copy up, a draft copy of the manuscript, and I met for two hours with John Esposito. He's the chief.
He's a great man. I have total respect for him. And, John knows me. And I said, John, you know my respect for the department. And I said, yes, congressman.
We know that. I said, I wanna give you this copy of my manuscript, and I'm signing it in honor of Ray Downey for you to keep in your archives. This is what really happened. He took it. I felt I owed it to the fire department of New York and their members.
There has been this subtle pressure to the firefighters and to the officers not to talk for obvious reasons. You you know what this involves politically. And look what happened to the chief of LA. The female chief of LA comes out and says that the resources were taken away from her for the field forest fires. And what does the mayor do?
She fires her. That was just a few weeks ago. The firefighters are always a scapegoat. That's why, Tucker, I'm done with this. If it's the last thing I do, firefighters are not gonna be taken for granted anymore.
We're gonna rise up. We're gonna shake the country to its roots. Super. Firefighters are not second class citizens.
Speaker 0: Well, should certainly shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: But if they talk, they'll they'll be they'll get sidelined. They'll be get called crazies. Even though they heard explosions, they can't be they can't be allowed to say that.
Speaker 0: They heard explosions?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. It's on tape. We have people coming out of the buildings that heard explosions. We have film footage of people that talked to Fox News that was taken off the air, and then then now it was brought back by X.
That's all available. That's why you need a commission to go back and look at all the Wait.
Speaker 0: So there are and pardon my ignorance, but there are people on tape saying I heard explosions.
Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely. 100%. Multiple people. So the counter
Speaker 0: to this, which is also kind of rooted in common sense is, wow, that would require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for twenty four years, and that's just impossible because people talk.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people. Not a lot of people. It will involve a very, very precise action of planning and, you know, taking steps to control the situation. And I again, I I have no firsthand evidence of this. That's why and this is the most important thing.
If there's one thing that you have the ability to do because you're very well respected and deservedly so, you coming out and showing that report, that request put out by the firefighters of America and by the people who are excuse me for doing that.
Speaker 0: No problem.
Speaker 1: The people who were the most impacted by this. Yes. I've helped them now. I'm not I'm not there's no money in this for me. I'm everything I'm doing pro bono.
Yeah. Pro bono. A new presidential commission. There was no presidential commission before. This would be the first presidential commission.
Speaker 0: We recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is enjoy an ALP. Wait. Can I ask though, like, if we find out I mean, one of the reasons I became so upset was actually an Alex Jones guy years ago at some campaign event I was covering? You know, 911, Building 7. I was like, shut up, asshole.
You know, I don't no one wants to hear that. And I was being a child and ignorant as I have admitted many times, and I was wrong because you should always be for the truth no matter what. On the other hand, I think my instinct was informed by the feeling that, wow. If we find out that US Government Officials or foreign officials or or anybody is hiding the truth about an event that murdered 3,000 America totally innocent people. Like, that's how could your country continue if you found out?
Speaker 1: It would be almost as bad as if there were people in our country who planned to allow Bin Laden to stay in Iran while we sent kids to Afghanistan and 2,500 came back in body bags. It would be almost as bad.
Speaker 0: No. You're right. No. You're right. Tucker,
Speaker 1: the American people don't understand. I was in decisions as vice chairman of the committee where I heard conversations talk about acceptable casualties. There are no acceptable casualties. If I have a son or a daughter, I'm the youngest of nine, my brothers and sisters served in every branch of the military, none of them would be acceptable casualties. And if we had people that made the decision that we can afford to get people over in Afghanistan knowing that several thousand are gonna come back dead, if there's no then we've gotta find an alternative to that.
And if we didn't do it there, then we shouldn't do it in The US. Do I think nine eleven is going to be the biggest scandal in our lifetime and beyond? Yes. I think it's gonna be the biggest scandal in the history of America because it occurred on US soil and because it is so recent that we have relevant information still available.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: We have recorded information. We have personal information. Once people realize they can talk and not be afraid of being killed or not being afraid of being ostracized. And you know what gets me is reporters who call people conspiracy theorists. Well, that's all the agency does.
Speaker 0: I know.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that create the conspiracies.
Speaker 0: I'm aware. I mean, cut me a break.
Speaker 1: I'm aware. They have whole courses for their agents on how to make people look like they're conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 0: And the propaganda operations designed to discredit. Exactly. Right.
Speaker 1: And So all we want is the truth. Of course. So Trump, appoint people of impeccable integrity. Let them study the facts. I will testify under oath everything I know about intelligence.
Let these 3,000 architects who are risking their careers, making nothing, let them testify under oath. So let me
Speaker 0: ask you a very dark question. I don't even know if I want the answer, but flight 93, which crashed in your state in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, became a kind of and you feel obviously so crushed for the people, Todd Beamer and the rest on that flight, and they sound like they acted bravely and all that. But, you know, Dick Cheney the president Bush was hiding at Offutt Air Force Base, refused to come back to DC because of cowardice. And so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day on September 11, and he said it's been reported. You know, he gave the orders to shoot down that plane, but then they told us, no.
It wasn't shut down. The hijackers were under assault by the passengers, and so they drove it into the ground. Do you think that plane was shut down by the US government?
Speaker 1: I I don't have any evidence of that, but I I've seen other speculation that that plane may have been heading for the Chicago Tower. And if it wasn't for the people on the plane that diverted it and turned it around, that's where it was heading.
Speaker 0: For sure. Well, clearly, it was it was that plane was gonna be used to kill Americans, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And I lost a constituent that was a pilot on one of the planes, Michael Horrocks, who went to Westchester, the same school I went to, and I immediately contacted his widow and raised the funds to build a playground in his honor at the elementary school for his kids. So I felt it personally. The the the story is is a story that America has to come to grips with this because if there's any one story that's gonna determine whether or not we are a country of what we all claim to be, then as painful as it is, we have to learn the lessons from that. If we don't and we allow these people that were involved in these cover ups and in my case, I the people I'm talking about are covering up without any hesitation the intelligence side of it. If we don't do that, then this is just inviting this to happen again and again.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's gonna continue. You can't have that in a country like ours. We're supposed to be the symbol around the world, and we get laughed at by people. The people in Libya know what we did and why we did Gaddafi. North Korea.
We had a solution from North Korea that Colin Powell endorsed that I worked on, with with a bipartisan delegation that the White House under Bush didn't want. And and look at now, North Korea is threatening an attack. All of these things we create. And if the American people don't have access to know the truth, then we're not really what we say we are.
Speaker 0: Who are the darkest actors in the Bush administration, do you think?
Speaker 1: I I can't name any one. I mean, Sandy Berger, in my opinion, should have been tried for treason. So Sandy
Speaker 0: Berger was I agree. Well, he committed treason, so he should have been. He's passed now. I knew him. He was national security adviser for Bill Clinton.
So tell us tell us you've made reference to him, for those who don't remember or getting their history from Wikipedia, who is Sandy Berger, and and why do you think he committed treason?
Speaker 1: And Wikipedia, by the way, has no credibility.
Speaker 0: I'm very aware
Speaker 1: of They are basically it's a controlled I'm aware. Process to manipulate And and you you don't really
Speaker 0: know that until I know it. Just because, you know, you get older and, like, there are some things in Wikipedia. Like, wait. I was there. I I know that that's not true.
Speaker 1: About Sandy and Sandy Berger. She Sandy Berger was when this all started. He was security adviser for Clinton in the nineties. And as a member of the Cox Commission, which was a formal commission established by the congress made up of nine members.
Speaker 0: Headed by congressman Chris Cox of California.
Speaker 1: That's right. Five Republicans, four Democrats, all committee chairs except me. I was appointed by Newt, and we spent six months behind closed doors looking at all the data about why China stole our technology. And what we ended up with was a nine to zero vote. Our security was severely harmed by China's acquisition of technology.
And Chris Cox warned a nine to zero vote. I went beyond that. And working with the people that I had befriended that were doing the able danger stuff, I said, why did this happen? And they produced charts for me, which I have given to you, to show the process that China established. And China did what we do.
We try to spy on other countries. That's part the game. That's legitimate. Yes. But if you get caught by that, that's your fault.
China set up a process using money through their central military commission, the People's Liberation Army, to set up front companies to deliberately acquire selected technology in The US by using campaign donations, primarily to the Clinton campaign in the mid nineties. The charts show that. You have those charts. Those donations resulted in waivers of arms control agreements. Those, donations involved in waivers of controls over technology, and all the technologies are listed.
Those charts show that four Chinese nationals who had no citizenship rights here gained access to the White House, in some cases, 49 times in one year. They were raising money for the Democratic National Party and Clinton. All of that was, orchestrated by Sandy Berger politically. In the end, what happened was we basically empowered China to acquire our technology by allowing them to use campaign donations. And the best example I can give you of this is there was a very specific inquiry done by the justice department of the L'Oreal Corporation in California.
L'Oreal Corporation, very capable, space company and technology company, had been caught transferring stage separation technology to China. Stage separation technology allows you to have a multistage missile to go long distances. Yes. Which
Speaker 0: is required for to go intercontinental.
Speaker 1: And China didn't have that. They didn't have that capability, so they got it. So Larao Corporation was caught transferring that. That's a violation. So the justice department, this is public information, was about ready to indict the CEO, Bernie Schwartz.
Bernie Schwartz went to Sandy Berger and received, this is public information, a retroactive presidential waiver. Retroactive presidential waiver. The technology had already been transferred. Now they get the waiver that it's okay. And that year, Bernie Schwartz becomes one of the single biggest donors in the history of the Democrat party.
I put all the donations in the congressional record. So anyone can go back in the congressional record to that time period and look for my speech, and you'll see the donations of Sandy Berger to the Democrat National Party and Al Gore and and Bill Clinton while we were giving our technology so China didn't steal it. They outsmarted us. That's our fault, not their fault.
Speaker 0: Right. They bribed our officials to
Speaker 1: the defense. So that's the first thing with Sandy Berger. Then Sandy Berger was involved in the run up to nine eleven, and he was, still Clinton's security adviser. He was, told he had to appear before the nine eleven commission. So two weeks before he was to appear, he gets permission to go to the National Archives in Washington.
And he goes up to the Top Floor in a special room. It's a big empty room, and he didn't realize he was on camera. They bring out documents that he has to see before his testimony. He said it was to refresh his memory. He ends up stealing those documents.
In a case that many remember and laugh about, he stuffs the documents in his underwear and his socks and his shirt pocket. You you've seen the story and Of course. It's all true. He leaves the archives with those national security archives, all pre 09/11 intelligence. And by the way, none of this is in a nine eleven commission report.
None of it.
Speaker 0: That's not mentioned.
Speaker 1: No. He leaves the archives.
Speaker 0: Do we know what those documents were?
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what happened. He gets caught. The inspector general for the archives contacts Berger and said, mister Berger, did you take anything while you're in the archives? And he says, no. That's a felony.
He lied to a federal agent. He then hires one of Clinton's personal lawyers. That lawyer cuts a plea bargain. Sandy Berger pleads guilty to 11 felonies, lying to a federal agent, stealing five documents, and destroying five documents. The plea bargain he gets is one misdemeanor.
No jail time. He loses security clearance for one year. In the August before my election loss, I told my staff, I wanna go to the archives to see copies of what we think Berger stole. The CIA called my office and said, tell your boss that's very sensitive information. Like, what do you have to tell me?
What I what my job is? I know what my job is. I don't need to be reminded by somebody from some agency, so I went there. The documents were all regarding pre nine eleven intelligence. The millennium millennium after action report, which was prepared by John Ashcroft, was part of the documents that they didn't want the nine eleven commission to have.
Sandy Berger stole those documents. If you stole documents that are in National Archives, you'd be in jail right now. Sandy Berger got away with it, one felony, and he leaves the administration of Clinton, he forms a company. Guess what the company's called? Stonebridge.
And he hires Madelyn Albright. Stonebridge Albright. And what do they do? They represent Chinese corporations.
Speaker 0: Disgusting people. Both now gone. Both now gone. Do we know what was in those five documents?
Speaker 1: Why I while I went down there, I looked at what we think he stole. It was Paul pre 09/11 intelligence.
Speaker 0: Suggesting that?
Speaker 1: Suggesting that
Speaker 0: we should have taken action.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we know that Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden in the base camps many times. I mean, all of this, and there's much more intrigue that I don't know about. That's why it needs a thorough investigation, not of staffers, not of hacks, but of people of intellect and people who are willing to put the country first. That's why Trump needs a convening commission.
Speaker 0: This is all so heavy that, you know, you wonder who would take that job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have people who will take it. I have firefighters who will take it, fire engineers. I have people who will surprise you that will take the job.
Speaker 0: That would take true courage. Venus, why No one even mentions declassifying nine eleven. I mean, it's like, oh, the Kennedy Association, UAPs. I mean, I'm all for I'm all for disclosure because we own the government. We're shareholders.
We're not slaves. So that's my view. I always push for disclosure, and I really mean it. But on nine eleven, I don't even know anyone who wants I do, but I don't know anybody else other than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like, you can feel it glowing. You just feel like, I don't know what that is, but that's
Speaker 1: really You know why? Everybody in Washington gets caught up with their with their careers, with their consultant fees, with their you know, I'm done with that. You know? I'm still paying the mortgage on my house. Actually?
Yeah. I'm actually paying the mortgage on my house. At what age? 77.
Speaker 0: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My my wife's a nurse. You know?
Speaker 0: We don't So you didn't get rich in congress?
Speaker 1: No. I did not get I didn't I don't know how I don't know how Biden and Obama Obama was nothing in the senate. How do you make $88,000,000 in the senate when you don't have a job? And and and Biden, who I grew up with and was a friend with, I mean, no our kids went to school together. How does he have multiple houses at the beach and and, you know, I I don't need I don't need wealth.
I don't need wealth to be successful, and that's not my gonna be my legacy. But the there are people, and it makes me sick to my stomach because I'd like to name them all right now, Tucker.
Speaker 0: Well, go go ahead. Well, I I
Speaker 1: have them there. You know my partners, Judge Sullivan, very distinguished, the former deputy director of the FBI, Buck Ravel, Jim Woolsey, former deputy former head of the CIA, Chuck Brooks, who you got a note from, former, top guy at homeland security. Admiral Jay Cohen, who was head of research. They all know what I know and a lot more people. I had lunch with Jim Jones twice last year, former security adviser to Obama.
I don't wanna upend their careers. I don't wanna cost them money, but America America needs to know the truth.
Speaker 0: But without naming specific names, I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned, and I would say from my impression having lived in DC for years, those are good guys, I think, honest people. Yeah. But without naming anybody, like, people who and those are all very highly informed people, like, actually, for real, not not bullshit.
Speaker 1: No. They're all real. No. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 0: For real. Of that of those kind of people, how many that you know think, this is not right? The nine eleven report. All
Speaker 1: of them. But they're not gonna come out
Speaker 0: But everyone kinda knows.
Speaker 1: Not gonna be the lead person to come out and take it on. And many people say, you know, Kurt, you're crazy. You know, you're Of course.
Speaker 0: Well, that's how they try to describe
Speaker 1: your your discretion.
Speaker 0: The only reason that I I mean, I've never done a 09:11 show, not a single one, really, that I know maybe one in thirty years, twenty well, now twenty four years. But the only reason that I wanted to talk to you specifically is because I was there, and so I know how much you know, and you're not a fake person at all. You're, like, right at the center of it. So I think you have complete credibility on this topic, and I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a wacko. If you're a wacko, then why are you gonna take over the armed services committee?
Speaker 1: Like Why would Donald Rumsfeld endorse me for the armed services committee?
Speaker 0: Paying your mortgage at 77, you clearly weren't ripping anybody off.
Speaker 1: I have no secret bank account.
Speaker 0: Clearly. So I do think you've got a lot of credibility, but it's just interesting. You're obviously very focused on this. The people just to restate, the people that you talk to who are in similar positions of authority who would have access to, you know, real intel on this, they all think that the
Speaker 1: nine talk.
Speaker 0: They all think the 09:11 report was just silly. Cover up.
Speaker 1: They think that there's a lot more to what happened than what's being told. The firefighters think the same, but a firefighter who's doing their you know, the key thing and why I devote my life to firefighters, they're the most powerful people in the country. They're not driven by power nor money. But when I organized them, back in 1987 and the fire caucus became the largest in the congress, I said, are the people that make America work.
Speaker 0: Of course.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're the people that not just fight the fires and disasters. They're the people it's where you vote on election day.
Speaker 0: Of course.
Speaker 1: It's where you hold the boy scout and girl scout meeting room, and there are 50,000 stations run by 30,000 departments, and 85% of them are volunteers. Do you know next year as we celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America, the fire service will be 290 years old? Yeah. The first fire department was formed by Ben Franklin in Philadelphia in 1736. It didn't take a government to get people to come together to protect each other.
It's older than America, and the 50,000 departments are in every town, every village. They're the heart and soul of our nation and the backbone
Speaker 0: of our know that for you.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm telling Trump. If you ignite that group of people, you don't need to have MAGA people alone. You have America then. Because in every poll, firefighters are 98% supported.
Speaker 0: They're the only ones everyone likes.
Speaker 1: Totally agree. Because they're not driven by power or money.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: And that's why firefighters don't wanna get involved in a political battle. Even if they know they're being shortchanged, even if they know their loved one was killed when they shouldn't have been killed, they keep quiet. Well, I'm not gonna keep quiet. I'm their voice, and I'm gonna speak out.
Speaker 0: So let me ask you one final question for people who've made it this far in the interview, and and I should just I wanna say for the record, think you've been really restrained. You haven't speculated on really anything other than things. You said, I saw this, I know this to be true, but you haven't given us some complex theory of why this happened. Oh, I can't. I won't.
Right. But for people who are are thinking, wow, this is a little more serious than I realized, and I wanna know more, and clearly, Wikipedia is a filter, not a way to actually understand history, what should peep what responsible, credible accounts of nine eleven would you recommend people read? Like, where do you get closer to the truth?
Speaker 1: There there is no one single account that I have seen. I would suggest and they can go I'm not on social media except on LinkedIn. And if you go to my LinkedIn, I'll send you a copy of Bravo seven. Bravo seven is a film one hour long done by firefighters, not done by Hollywood. And by the way, my my film based on my book's coming out next year, and all the proceeds of my film firefight are going to firefighters.
So nobody can say he's gonna make a profit off that.
Speaker 0: No. Must still be paying your mortgage.
Speaker 1: My Hollywood film is the proceeds are going to firefighters, and it's about my book. But bravo seven gives you the story of what really happened from the eyes of a firefighter, and then it has the audio comments of Oreo Palmer. And if you're a human being and you listen to that brave firefighter with two kids, I think two or three kids, who's risking his life after he went up 40 floors in the elevator, climbing up 38 floors with his team, arriving on the floor of impact, and saying I can handle it. And if we let him die there like it was just some random thing, then we're not human beings of decency.
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 1: We owe Oreo Palmer. We owe Ray Downey. Ray Downey told us ninety three, eight years earlier, this is gonna happen again. Ray Downey told us in the Gilmore commission we needed to have this fusion center. We allowed unnamed scumbags in the CIA to block us from having a fusion center.
We allowed unnamed scumbags in the agencies to block transferring the information that Scott Philpott and Tony Schafer and Eileen Pricer and Eric Klein Smith had that they tried to transfer to the justice department. They also had information the the beef before the attack on USS Cole when they ruined the career of, of Kirk Lippold, the commander of the Cole, I defended him. If we're gonna truly be a country that really cares about other people and what we're doing, then we have to live up to that. And how can you send your kid to war or combat and all this crap about giving them a home and a place to live and help? Well, great.
Let's do it up front. Let's prevent them from needing a home. Let's prevent them from needing health care. Let's prevent them from having to to be put in a in a shelter someplace. Let's focus on the veteran before they become disabled.
Let's focus on the firefighter before they die. But see the media the media and the intel deeps, they likes to make it look like, well, we got all these charities out there. These charities allow us to give money like we really care about them. Caring about them after they're dead is not the same as preventing them from dying, and that's what this is about, preventing them from dying. And I'm not gonna stop until we until we take the necessary steps to never let this happen again.
Speaker 0: I'm grateful for your determination. And the last thing I'll say is I think when you give up the love of money, you you get filled with a holy power, and you clearly have been. So congressman, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you
Speaker 0: very much. Thank you.
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@TuckerCarlson [RG911Team] Here is FDNY Battalion Chief Orio Palmer declaring he can put out the fires inside the South Tower on 9/11. Minutes later, it collapses on him like a house of cards. Curt Weldon is fighting to expose what really happened, and so are we. https://t.co/Jrtrp8zvs4
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@RichardGage_911 @TuckerCarlson Why can you see people willfully jumping and hanging off the building above a fire he can allegedly control then?
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@sonic_blue_eyes @RichardGage_911 @TuckerCarlson Most were told to stay put & did; not many knew of the one sorta safe stairwell that wasn't blocked or they were in a room whose doors were melted by a now gone out fire (that does ocurr in reg. fires) & trapped. Are you accussing him of lying, reg. what he was observing?
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Itโs September 12, 2001, and this CSPAN caller has a nightmarish story to tell. Out of all the things he said, what stands out to you? https://t.co/tl7TDKPwhr
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The speaker, trained as a paramedic, went to the World Trade Center and was allowed inside by a FEMA agent. He and others directed people leaving the building to avoid falling debris. After the second plane hit, he asked an FBI agent about air support and bomb threats, suspecting the planes were a distraction for bombs in the garage. He told an FBI agent that the buildings would collapse, and the agent confirmed they knew.
The speaker then left the building and offered help to paramedics outside. Shortly after, the building exploded and collapsed. He ran and took cover behind pillars, surviving the falling debris. He believes others he was running with who didn't turn were killed and cars were exploding.
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Speaker 0: I was trained as a paramedic. I'm not currently licensed, but I saw started walking towards I get up Greenwich Street towards the World Trade Center, and I just saw arms and legs and pieces of bodies and just a lot of really bad stuff. And I just put on my latex gloves. And I walked up and I got to the front door and there's this guy from FEMA. He's the that's like the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
And I said, listen. I'm I'm not licensed, but I'm trained as a paramedic. And he's just said, well, that doesn't matter now. Come on in. And so we went in and we went under under the basement to the other side of the building.
And basically, what we were doing was people were coming down the stairs. The fire department was arriving in groups, and they were going up the stairs. And there was a group of us, and what was happening was people were leaving out the exits, and they were getting killed by debris that was falling. And so what we would do is we would corral people in groups of 50 or 100, and we'd go out the doors ourselves and we'd look for debris. Then we'd tell them go, and they'd run out in groups.
And we just did that maybe 15 or 20 times when the second plane hit. And, at that point, I just started cursing, and I turned to this FBI agent. I just said, like, you know, where's the air support? I mean, aren't we supposed to be prepared for this? And, some guys from the bomb squad came in, and I said, you know, are we looking for secondaries?
Because my first thought was that they missed the first time. They're not gonna miss this time. They're definitely gonna bring it down. And my thoughts were that the planes were just a distraction. They probably had bombs actually, you know, in the garage or whatever again, and that's what they were their main intention was.
Just and just during the lull in the people coming out, I turned to this guy, one of the FBI agents that was there. And I looked him in the eyes, and I said, you know these things are gonna come down, don't you? And he looked at me, and he said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
They are. And none of the federal agents that were there made any attempt to leave, and and they just knew the building was gonna come down, and they just stayed. And I don't think the firemen the looks on their faces when they went up the stairs, I I I don't think they thought they were gonna get out either. Think everybody just kinda knew what was happening. We were just trying to get as nice people.
To the trade center and he says, Go there and help. I said, Look, I'll stay with you. And he says, No, go. Went out the door and I crossed the street and I came up to the paramedics that were there and I said, Listen, do you guys need any help? And they were like, Are you kidding?
And we started triaging people and just then, I mean, couldn't have been out the door three, five minutes. There was this explosion and I looked up and it was falling on us the whole thing was just coming down on us and we all ran. I ran east about a block and then I kinda went to my right, and I hit behind some pillars when it came down. And she was it was it was like a huge pipe the biggest pipe Bob in history because all this all all the glass and and all the metal just kind of just formed shrapnel. And and just about everybody that I was running with that didn't make the right, I I think they just all got killed.
There were cars exploding. And I
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Howard Lutnick, a prominent figure with ties to Trump, once lived next to Jeffrey Epstein and was notably late to work on 9/11, resulting in the loss of his company on the 101st floor and the deaths of 658 employees. He has connections to various political figures and claims to have created DOGE. His sister, Edie Lutnick, also missed work on 9/11 because she went back to sleep and was a founding member of Ghislaine Maxwell's TerraMar project.
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Howard Lutnick,Trumps jewish billionaire secretary of commerce once lived next door to Jeffery Epstein.(9 and 11 e 71st street.) Surely by luck he was late to work on 9/11 where his company on the 101st floor was completely wiped out. 658 employees died. Former Clinton, Chuck Shumer, and Kamala Harris supporter he also takes credit for creating DOGE at the chadbad headquarters, as well as demanding loyalty test for potential staff. The only cults that work are the ones people donโt even know they are in. Trust the planโฆ
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The speaker registered the name "Doge." To get executives to help with production during World War II, the Defense Production Act named things after jazz singers to make committee members laugh. The speaker picked "Doge" so someone would laugh. When the speaker said they were going to name it Doge, it would be the Department of Government Efficiency. The speaker registered it as the Department of Government Efficiency to make it a real thing.
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Speaker 0: You know? So I said, I'm calling it Doge, and I registered the name Doge. You said that. Of course. And were you familiar with Dogecoin and all It's Elon.
I thought you're a foreigner. What happens is in the Defense Production Act Yes. In World War two Yes. In order to get all the great executives of America to help with production, they named everything after jazz singers or everything that of the people who were on the committee that it would make them laugh and smile. Okay.
Right? So I picked Doge so he would laugh at his mind. He said, get the f out of here. Like, when I said, we're gonna name it Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency, which I didn't think of. It was on the Internet sort of floating around in June.
Yes. Right? But I literally registered it, right, as the Department of Government Efficiency, like make it a real thing.
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Howard Lutnicks sister Edie Lutnick who also was not at work on 9/11 because she went back to sleep was a founding citizen of Ghislane maxwells terra-mar project. H/t @jrwtyndall Great find https://web.archive.org/web/20120715091022/https://theterramarproject.org/
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This 9/11 survivorโs testimony was banned from social media for years. When you hear what he has to say, youโll know why. https://t.co/6REblfFr68
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I think a bomb went off to the lobby first, then a plane hit the building. Then another plane hit the other building. And but when I was coming through the doors on the other side of the trade center, something either they blew the lobby up or something because it blew the glass out of the doors and knocked us all down, and I got a smoke and everything off it. I just feel a little shook up because I got blasted, you know, which, I'm just trying to, you know, I want a drink of water. They don't have any water though.
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Speaker 0: I think a bomb went off to the lobby first, then a plane hit the building. Then another plane hit the other building. And but when I was coming through the doors on the other side of the trade center, something either they blew the lobby up or something because it blew the glass out of the doors and knocked us all down, and I got a smoke and everything off it. I just feel a little shook up because I got blasted, you know, which, I'm just trying to, you know, I want a drink of water. They don't have any water though.
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Medic Kevin McPadden rushed to the World Trade Center to help save lives on 9/11โฆ and what he witnessed at WTC Building 7 was so shocking that this video was shadowbanned by social media for years. https://t.co/K8avO3SXW2
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The Red Cross representative warned us to stay behind a line because a building might be brought down. After a countdown, he yelled for us to run for our lives, and then explosions followed. It was clear to me that it was an explosion, not just floors collapsing.
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Speaker 0: The, the Red Cross rep was like he goes over and he's and he and he says, well, you gotta stay behind this line because they're thinking about bringing the building down. They didn't say what building. They just said bringing a building down. So we're like, okay. You know, we'll take their word before it.
You know, we'll stay behind the line. Line. And he went over and he talked to 1 of the, through all the commotion. He goes over and he asked 1 of the Red Cross or 1 of the firefighters what was going on. I guess I don't know if he got an answer or not.
He came back over with his hand over the radio and what sounded like a countdown. And at the last few seconds, he took his hand off and you heard 3, 2, 1, and he was just saying, just run for your life. Just run for your life. And then it was like another 2, 3 seconds. You heard explosions like, ba boom.
It's like a distinct sound. It's not like when in compression, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like, floors that were dropping and collapsing. An explosion. There was no doubt in my mind.
That was an explosion. There was no doubt in my mind.