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Saved - March 11, 2023 at 5:22 AM

@VigilantFox - The Vigilant Fox 🦊

.@RobertKennedyJr: "The Media Is an Extension of the Pharmaceutical Industry" "75% of advertising revenues now on the mainstream media are now coming from pharma — and that ratio is even higher for the evening news." "Anderson Cooper has a $12 million a year annual salary.…

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The media in our country is heavily influenced by the pharmaceutical industry, with 75% of advertising revenues on mainstream media coming from pharma. The evening news, where pharmaceuticals are advertised, has an even higher ratio. Anderson Cooper, with a $12,000,000 annual salary, receives $10,000,000 from Pfizer. His allegiance lies with Pfizer, not CNN. They openly acknowledge this partnership, as seen in the "brought to you by Pfizer" tagline. Consequently, Cooper is unlikely to provide unbiased information about Pfizer's products. Instead, he aims to sell them and instill fear by suggesting that not using them could be fatal.
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Speaker 0: The media in our country is, is an extension of the pharmaceutical industry. You know, there is a 75% of advertising revenues now on the mainstream media are now coming from pharma. And that ratio is even higher for the evening news because the evening news is where you see pharmaceuticals advertised. And, you know, Anderson Cooper has a $12,000,000 a year annual salary. Well, 10,000,000 of that is coming from Pfizer. Oh, his boss is not CNN. His boss is Pfizer. And, you know, they're they're unashamed of it. They're unabashed about it. They say, you know, on his program brought to you by Pfizer. Of course, he's not gonna tell you the truth about Pfizer's product. He's going to try to sell them to you. He's going to try to scare the hell out of you. And he's saying, if you don't get this, you're going to die.
Saved - April 24, 2023 at 7:56 PM
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Fox News terminated Tucker Carlson's employment after he exposed the influence of greedy Pharma advertisers on TV news content. Carlson's monologue on April 19th broke TV's two biggest rules by telling the truth about the promotion of lethal and worthless vaccines. Despite having the nation's biggest audience, Fox's decision to fire Carlson demonstrates the terrifying power of Big Pharma.

@RobertKennedyJr - Robert F. Kennedy Jr

Fox fires @TuckerCarlson five days after he crosses the red line by acknowledging that the TV networks pushed a deadly and ineffective vaccine to please their Pharma advertisers. Carlson’s breathtakingly courageous April 19 monologue broke TV’s two biggest rules: Tucker told the truth about how greedy Pharma advertisers controlled TV news content and he lambasted obsequious newscasters for promoting jabs they knew to be lethal and worthless. For many years, Tucker has had the nation's biggest audience averaging 3.5 million — 10 times the size of CNN. Fox just demonstrated the terrifying power of Big Pharma.

Saved - August 30, 2025 at 6:34 AM

@JoshWalkos - Champagne Joshi

“The Godfather of Vaccines” Dr. Stanley Plotkin admits under oath he got paid from all of the big Pharma companies while consulting for an “Independent Report” on whether or not Vaccines cause autism. For some extremely odd reason he didn’t feel the need to disclose it in the report.

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In 2011 the IOM issued a vaccine-safety report, 'Adverse Effects of Evidence of Causality,' examining 158 serious injuries after vaccination. The speaker notes they were consulting for Sanofi, Merck, GSK, and others, not disclosed in the report. Tdap is on the childhood schedule and is given to pregnant women. On autism, the IOM concluded, 'The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, or acellular pertussis containing vaccine and autism.' The evidence doesn't exist to show whether DTaP or Tdap do or do not cause autism. 'There is not evidence to, say a million different things. We have no suspicions, at least I don't, that, autism is caused by DTaP.' 'absence of evidence is no proof whatsoever.' He could tell parents that DTaP, Tdap does not cause autism, and, 'I'm also willing to tell them it doesn't cause leprosy.'
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Speaker 0: 02/2011, the IOM then issued another report on vaccine safety, and this time it looked at a hundred and fifty eight of the most commonly claimed serious injuries after vaccination. Right? Speaker 1: Yeah. Mhmm. Yes. K. Speaker 0: The title of that report is Adverse Effects of Evidence of Causality. Did you provide information to the IOM committee conducting this review? Speaker 1: Recall specifically whether I did or not. A lot of people ask for my opinions. When asked, I give my opinions. Speaker 0: A: Do you see a section entitled Reviewers? Speaker 1: Oh, yes. I'm on the list. Speaker 0: The purpose of this independent review is to provide candid and critical comments that will assist the institutions in making its published report as sound as possible and to ensure that the report meets institutional standards for objectivity, evidence, and responsiveness to the study charge. It doesn't disclose that at that time you were working for all four of the major vaccine makers, correct? In 2011, were you receiving compensation and remuneration from Sanofi? Speaker 1: I was yes, as I've said before. I was consulting for Sanofi as well as others. Speaker 0: Were you consulting for Merck? Speaker 1: A: Yes, probably at that time. Speaker 0: And GSK? Yes. And as well as a whole host of other for profit companies seeking to develop vaccines, correct? Speaker 1: A: Yes. Speaker 0: I'm just saying that's not mentioned here, correct? Speaker 1: No. Speaker 0: Tdap is one of the vaccines on the childhood schedule, right? Yes. It's administered to babies during the first year of life? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: We already talked about this at two, four, and six months, right? Yes. Now as for Tdap, that's given to pregnant women, correct? Yes. Q: What was the IOM's conclusion in 2011 about whether these vaccines can cause autism? Speaker 1: I'd have to look that up, but feel confident that they do not cause autism. Speaker 0: Q: You feel confident that that's what the IOM concluded? Speaker 1: I don't remember what the IOM concluded, but I don't believe there's any evidence that that's the case. Speaker 0: Can you read the causality conclusion with regard to whether DTaP and Tdap cause autism? Speaker 1: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, or acellular pertussis containing vaccine and autism. Speaker 0: The evidence doesn't exist to show whether DTaP or Tdap do or do not cause autism, correct? Speaker 1: Yes. Evidence not being available Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: Does not allow you to conclude that the phenomena that there is a causal relationship. Speaker 0: But it does allow you to conclude that the evidence doesn't exist to say that DTaP and Tdap do not cause autism. Speaker 1: There is not evidence to, say a million different things. We have no suspicions, at least I don't, that, autism is caused by DTaP. Speaker 0: You may not have that suspicion but it is one of the most commonly reported adverse events which is why it was reviewed in this IOM report. Can you make the statement that vaccines do not cause autism if you don't know whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism? Speaker 1: I can say as a physician that no, they do not cause autism. You know, I can't be sure that DTaP doesn't cause leprosy. That doesn't mean that that stops me from using DTaP vaccine. Are people claiming that DTaP has caused leprosy? Speaker 0: Are you aware of any such complaints? Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any such complaints but I wouldn't be surprised to see it on the web one of these days. Speaker 0: Okay. But people have made enough complaints about DTaP, Tdap causing autism that the Institute of Medicine at the Commission of HHS thought it was serious enough to do a scientific review, correct? Speaker 1: Yes. I mean there are a million things on web including all kinds of diet advice based on ridiculous information. So why should I adopt that? Speaker 0: Are you saying that the IOM was engaging in a ridiculous review here? The only thing I've asked you is whether or not one can assert that vaccines do not cause autism, Speaker 1: Counselor, but they let's be let's be real. You're asking me these questions because you want me to legitimize a view that vaccines cause autism, and I will not do that because absence of evidence is no proof whatsoever. You're okay with telling the parent that DTaP, Tdap does not cause autism even though Speaker 0: the science isn't there yet to support that claim? Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm also willing to tell them it doesn't cause leprosy. Speaker 0: Have you ever used orphans to study
Saved - September 27, 2023 at 10:40 PM

@iluminatibot - illuminatibot

YouTube removed this video. The real money is not in the vaccines. It’s in the remedies being sold for the injuries from the vaccines.

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Various vaccines are being linked to different industries. The companies behind these vaccines are making a staggering $60 billion annually from vaccine sales. However, they are making an even larger profit of $500 billion each year by selling remedies for the injuries caused by these vaccines. This includes medications for diabetes, ADHD (such as Adderall and Ritalin), inhalers for asthma (like Advair and albuterol), and anti-seizure medications. It's clear that these companies have devised a highly profitable business plan.
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Speaker 0: Linking various vaccines to all of those industries. So what are they doing? Is it for money? Well, they're making $60,000,000,000 a year selling us vaccines, but they're making $500,000,000,000 a year selling the remedies for the injuries caused by vaccines. Oh, the diabetes medication, the Adderall, the Ritalin, The Advair inhalers, the albuterol inhalers, the anti seizure medications, all of those, This is a really great business plan for these companies.
Saved - October 7, 2023 at 8:31 PM
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In 2006, Fox News investigated the connection between psychiatric meds and school shooters, finding that 7 out of 12 were on antidepressants or in withdrawal. Today, Fox avoids reporting on this issue due to advertising revenue from pharmaceutical companies. This profit-driven approach is disturbing. News orgs profit from reporting on shootings but refuse to investigate meds as a causal factor. It reflects a larger problem in America, where private interests dominate. America is one of two countries allowing direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical ads. Banning this would be a priority for @RobertKennedyJr. These companies should face nationwide class action lawsuits to hold them accountable.

@Inversionism - Inversionism

Nearly 20 years ago in 2006, Fox News reported on the connection between psychiatric meds like antidepressants and school shooters, and they actually put in the effort and investigated the backgrounds of previous shooters and found that 7 out of the last 12 were either on anti-depressants or were in withdrawal from them. Now today in 2023, Fox would never report on this issue because they get a significant amount of advertising revenue from the same pharmaceutical companies drugging children and teenagers, and don't want to risk losing profits. Can we all stop for a second and think about how disgusting that is? Not only do these news orgs profit from reporting on these school shootings and creating hysteria around them getting many eyeballs on their channels or websites, often calling for gun control as a result, but they also refuse to properly investigate or associate psychiatric meds as a causal factor because they're being paid advertising money from pharma. It's so unacceptable and really shouldn't be glossed over and casually dismissed. It's a grave symptom of a larger disease in America where quite literally everything has been captured by private interests, and we're all the expense. America is only 1 of 2 countries that allows direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising, and I know if @RobertKennedyJr became president, banning that would be one of his first orders of business. The restrictions should have never been relaxed by Reagan in 1985, and nor should they have been given immunity for vaccine injuries the year after in 1986 as well. All these companies need to be sued into oblivion for what they've done. Nation wide class action lawsuits to take every dime they've made at our expense.

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Antidepressants and their potential effects on children are explored in this video. The speaker highlights cases of school shooters who were either on medication or experiencing withdrawal. The father of one shooter believes the medication caused his son's violent behavior. The video also mentions studies documenting the side effects of antidepressants, including mania and violent tendencies. The speaker suggests that the increase in school shootings may be linked to the rise in antidepressant use. A group called ablechild.org calls for an investigation into the correlation between psychiatric drugs and school shooters. The video concludes by stating that approximately 30 million Americans are taking antidepressants, with about 5% potentially developing mania.
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Speaker 0: Commercials, billboards, free samples, everywhere you look, antidepressants are being marketed, one of the biggest targets, children, here is a disturbing fact 7 out of the last twelve students responsible for school shootings were either on antidepressants or were in withdraw from them. Are these medications helping or hurting our kids? Speaker 1: 2 years sixteen year old Corey Badsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage due describe around that time how you were feeling? Speaker 2: In the morning, I just I didn't feel like going to school. I felt I felt sick. Didn't feel like really, you know, like, I could get up very well and sew in back to bed and make sure I remember and I'm in Juliet and detention center Bryce Love. Speaker 1: Just one more, apparently, unexplainable violent outbursts at school, unexplainable to everyone, but Corey's dad So in your mind, there's no doubt what happened here. Speaker 3: I had no doubt that the medication did this. I mean, he was had amnesia, you know, hallucinations earlier abnormal dreams, which are all side effects of the medication. Speaker 1: That morning, Corey was on a mix of antidepressants prescribed for what doctors called situational depression. His father says the pills turn Corey from a sensitive teenage boy to a volatile marauder, susceptible to blind rage. Speaker 3: He was never a violent kid. I mean, he's always been a good kid. Loved this hug this all. You know, he's never watched by violent videos and and until with medication, he you know, after that, then we realized that he was having aggression problems and, you know, he was out of character. Speaker 1: At Fox News, we found the bad scar story with antidepressants compelling, so we investigated further. We found a disturbing number of recent school shooters were either on medication or were experiencing withdrawal. The list includes fifteen year old Chip Kinkle withdrawing from Prozac when he shot 22 classmates, killing 2 after murdering his mother and stepfather at his home in Springfield, Oregon. Teen year old Elizabeth Bush on Prozac when she blasted away at fellow students in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, wounding 1. Eighteen year old Jason Hoffman on Afekor and Celexa. He opened fire at his California high school, wounding 5. 15 year old on Cooper on a mix of antidepressants when he shot students in Idaho. Fifteen year old TJ Solomon also on a mix of antidepressants when he his shotgun at classmates in Conyers, Georgia, from D6. And seventeen year old Eric Harris on Luvox when he and partner Dylan Klevel killed twelve classmates and a teacher in the bloodiest school massacre yet, Colin Bond. Speaker 4: One of the things that in the past, we have known about impression is that it very, very rarely leads to violence. It's only been since the advent of these new SSRI drugs that we have a murder is sometimes even mass murderers taking antidepressant drugs. Speaker 1: Take the key. This man sees another explanation for the student's violence. Speaker 5: They may not be getting adequate, diagnostic evaluation. They may not be an intense enough treatment. They may not be on the right Speaker 1: companies, including the maker of Paxel. Speaker 5: There's no evidence that being on an antidepressant medicine would increase the likelihood of homicide or suicide Speaker 1: as the number of drugs increased, so too have the number of school shootings. Bruce Wiseman runs a group that has monitored long term effects of antidepressants on kids for years. The drugs have got documented side effects of mania, of cosis in some cases of violence of suicidal tendencies, and you have studies documenting the fact that these kids were not violent took the drugs and became so. Indeed, Fox News recently obtained confidential documents belonging to the maker of Paxel The drug Corey Batsgaard had been taking when he snapped. The document suggests a patient taking Paxel is eight times more likely to attempt or commit suicide. And patients taking placebo and data publicly available from the drug companies show a small percentage of patients on all antidepressants experienced mania a state of mind, sometimes associated with violent outbursts. When you take the figures of, one drug manufacturer talked about, Manae behavior of 4%. Well, if there are, as, some reports say 2,000,000 kids on these drugs, that's 80,000 time bombs waiting to explode. Waiting to explode. That's exactly what Corey Badskard's father said happened to Corey on antidepressants. He says the solution is simple. Stop drugging our children. Speaker 3: Just stop medicating the kids, and they've I don't think we'll have these problems or as many as we do now. Speaker 1: And Corey agrees. He's out of jail and off the drugs. He says he's doing just fine. Speaker 6: A 7 and 8. Their, horse drawn funeral procession wagons will pass right by us, here in front of this church, John. Rick Leventhal in Lancaster. Rick, thank you very much. Try to tragedy like this one in Pennsylvania and in Colorado last week seem to be inexplicable. But listen this. More often than not, antidepressants are involved. In Colorado, for instance, police found antidepressants in suspects Duane Morrison's jeep. We still don't know if the Army School gunman Roberts was taking anything, but we do know the FDA recently warned doctors that antidepressants can cause both suicidal and homicidal thoughts. In 2002, big story correspondent Douglas Kennedy was the 1st national reporter to expose the link between antidepressants and violence, a report to Park congressional hearings. He is here with us now. So what do we know about this, Doug? Speaker 1: John, 4 years ago, we showed that 7 of the 12 previous school shooters were either on antidepressants or were withdrawing from antidepressants. Shooters like Kipp Kinkle, Elizabeth Bush, and Eric Harris at Colenbaum. Since then, the trend has continued with sixteen year old, Jeff Weiss, who in 2005 snapped while on Prozac, killing nine people and wounding 5 at his high school in Red Lake Minnesota. Just moments ago, I spoke with Sheila Matthews of ablechild.org, a group that's trying to get congress to protect school children from this kind of violent You want Congress to do here. Speaker 7: I want an investigation into the correlation between the psychiatric drugs and the school shooters. I want toxicity screening done on the school shooters to see if they were on any antidepressants because clearly there's a link Speaker 1: Now, you had a relative who had a, a bad time on antidepressants to describe estimates. Speaker 7: My brother-in-law, committed suicide side, why we're drawing from, antidepressant or tripling. It's an over antidepressant. Totally out of character, loving the and we listen dearly and we want to prevent this from happening. Speaker 1: And and you run into a lots of stories like that that describe some of those. Speaker 7: Well, as a founder of Able Child, victims come to us all the time. Their children are committing suicide on these drugs. And, we're very concerned as public health issues. Speaker 1: Now, lots of new studies show antidepressants not only don't prevent aside, they actually cause suicide and violence. Why are so many people still taking them? Speaker 7: Because the evidence is not being broadcast. And I think it's a time with all these school shootings that we take a look and we get evidence based from toxicity screening on the school shooters on victims of suicide and start bringing the evidence forward to the American people because once they know, they'll see the correlation. Speaker 1: Now Matthew says the real problem with antidepressants is how many people are taking them right now. That's about 30,000,000 Americans. Studies show about 5% of them will develop mania. So do the math, that's about a 1,500,000 potential maniacs waiting to explode.
Saved - November 25, 2023 at 7:45 AM
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Title: Uncovering the Truth about Childhood Vaccinations In this eye-opening article, we expose the hidden realities surrounding childhood vaccinations. From the lack of informed consent to the placebo myth, we delve into the controversies and concerns that have fueled vaccine skepticism. We explore the alarming rise in autoimmune diseases and autism rates, questioning the safety and efficacy of vaccines. We shed light on the ignored VAERS reports and highlight testimonies from experts who challenge the mainstream narrative. Join us in unraveling the complexities of the vaccine industry and advocating for truly informed consent.

@JoshWalkos - Champagne Joshi

Uninformed Consent A thread exposing the lies that your doctor, government and the media told you. Vaccine uptake is at an all time low. The government and the industry they collude with would have you think that it is because of “anti-science“ ignorance. Just millions of buck tooth, mouth breathers who can barely read and what they do read is nothing but dangerous “misinformation”. It couldn’t possibly be their fault. You know, the fact that virtually every autoimmune disease is skyrocketing and the rate of autism has consistently grown with the amount of vaccines administered to kids. It couldn’t possibly be the fact that they are still trying to push an experimental novel technology on the public, including being so brazen as to include it on the childhood schedule. It couldn’t possibly be the hundreds of thousands of debilitating injuries people have suffered with virtually zero recourse for compensation or the fact that they are either ignored, discounted or ridiculed for believing their injuries stem from the most likely variable introduced into their lives. It couldn’t possibly be the fact that people all over the world have watched loved ones including their own children go to sleep never to wake up again. Or they drop to the ground in the prime of their lives while playing a sport they love. The truth of the matter is that the tide of public consciousness is turning and everyday more and more people are realizing the uncomfortable truth. In no small part because of the people featured in this incredibly informative video. The Highwire [@HighWireTalk] aired this yesterday. It features a talk between Del Bigtree [@delbigtree] and Aaron Siri [@AaronSiriSG] where they show various depositions and testimonies of individuals over the years along with adding valuable context and commentary. This is something you can show to “true believers” in your lives with the hope that it may disrupt their programming. Expect a lot of cognitive dissonance to ensue because in 40 minutes they eviscerate various commonly held beliefs in relation to the childhood injections recommended by the CDC and most doctors. I am going to include some more clips as well as some other threads I’ve made to really drive home the point. The point being is that almost everything you think you know about childhood vaccinations is either completely misrepresented or outright lies. Please share this extremely important information and help create some truly informed consent. Funny thing about having real informed consent, it turns out people who have it, usually decide not to consent.

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The speaker discusses the issue of liability protection for vaccine manufacturers and the lack of safety testing for vaccines. They explain that in 1986, liability was taken away from manufacturers, leading to an increase in the number of vaccines given to children. They argue that vaccines should be tested for safety like any other pharmaceutical product, but this is not happening due to the lack of liability. The speaker also addresses the claim that vaccines do not cause injury, particularly autism, and highlights the lack of studies supporting this claim. They conclude by discussing the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccine development and the objections raised by religious groups.
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Speaker 0: What about all of the rest of them? One of the issues you have when you're trying to look at vaccines as a journalist and investigate it is you've got this liability protection. In 1986, they took away all liability from manufacturers. Basically, the pharmaceutical industry blackmailed Ronald Reagan, said, We are losing so much money from death and injury cases in courtrooms, we cannot make a profit in our vaccine program, so either you protect us from liability or we're gonna stop making them. And so you can't sue the manufacturer. It says right here, no person may bring a civil action against the vaccine administrator or manufacturer for damages arising from a vaccine related injury or death. Total and complete protection. And I say that to friends and they say, that's amazing. Doesn't that mean right there they must be admitting that there's injury? Of course they are. There's no Such thing as a pharmaceutical product that doesn't injure somebody. There's a reason why you have multiple versions of drugs, because if one is giving you side effects, Try another one. Vaccines are no different, they have all the same types of elements. I wanted to get into this. And so we wanted to, investigate it. Well, what happens, What happens when you take a product, one of the only ones in America, made by arguably one of the most, you know, corrupted Industries, when you look at pharma, who's paid out more money for death than injury? 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 of dollars by Merck and Sanofi Aventis and Pfizer for having lied about the safety of their products. But they have 1 group of products that they cannot be sued for. Well, that created a gold rush and ultimately what happened to this is in 1986, there's about 3 vaccines given in multiple doses. So for all of you out there that are saying, I'm just vaccinating My kids the same way I was vaccinated. No, you're not. You got maybe 10 vaccines by the time you were 18 years old. When we took liability away in 1986, this is what happened to our vaccine programme. Suddenly it explodes. 72 Your kids are getting or your grandkids are getting by the time they're 18. And none of these need to be tested for safety. Why? Why would you? Let's be honest. Why would you spend money testing a product for safety if you cannot be sued if it kills or injures anybody? You wouldn't do it. Why waste the money? It ends up being the perfect product. This is a product that we don't have to test for safety and we don't even have to advertise it because the government is going to force it on every child in America. This is why this product became one of the number one biggest sellers, biggest gold rush money making parts of the industry we now look at as the giant big pharma. So I went to Iran and said, look, they have total liability protection. What do we do? And we started discussing, What if we sue the government? Since the government's taking on the liability, they're saying that manufacturers will handle this, so now you sue the government. Imagine this, When you're injured by a vaccine, you have to sue health and human services. In fact, the head of health and human services is who you're naming as the defendant. So now the government's gonna use Department of Justice lawyers against you. Against you and tell you you're crazy, You're wrong, that injury didn't happen, you have to prove that it happened. That's how the court system works. And who was supposed to do the safety trials that you need to use in court so that you can prove this injury is caused by the vaccine. Health and Human Services. The same group you are suing is the one that is supposed to be doing the safety trials. This is literally like a, a murder case where your murderer is the one doing all of your forensics. And that's how the system has been designed. So I brought in Aaron Sridh to look at this and say, how do we handle this in law? And so when you start looking at it, what really sort of jumped out at you when we think about safety and how products are made? Speaker 1: Well, one thing that really jumped out at me is that of all the products on the market, all the products on the market That you can't sue the manufacturer for injuries for effectively. It's not planes. It's not drugs. It's not all kinds of dangerous things we know are out there. It's a product injected into babies that we say That the health authorities say are safe. Of all the products, that's the one product that effectively manufacture immunity for liability. That really struck me. That really struck me. Every other product is able to survive in the market, cars and so forth, They make them better, but for this product in 1986, manufacturers given immunity to liability, presumably They had a real issue in terms of being able to make them safer. And so what's the effect, you know, in terms of safety? To answer your question more directly, Del, Yeah. As you know, we we, you know, we decided we're gonna look at what's the impact on the clinical trials, pre licensure, And what's the impact after licensure? So in terms of the clinical trials, I think that this chart Might help bring home the impact that in taking away liability from manufacturers of vaccines has had on how the clinical trials relied upon to license those products were conducted. If you look up on your screen, you're gonna see a chart And in that chart according these are putting COVID vaccine aside, my understanding this is a a site that explains these are the 5 top Selling drugs, pharmaceutical products that Pfizer has in all time. Look at that list. 4 of those are drugs. One of them is a vaccine. Take a good look. Which one looks a little different than the rest. Speaker 0: This is like that Sesame Street game. Yeah. Right? One of these drugs is not like the other. Speaker 1: You're right. Except this one can have Leaf of consequences. And if you look, Enbrel, Eliquis, Lyrica, and Lipitor, safety review periods during their clinical trials Into the years, PCV 13, PRODOT 13, that's the only vaccine on the list. Look at the safety review period, And look at the control. Was it a placebo control? No. This is a list Of the vaccines administered to babies 3 times each by the time they're 6 months old. Speaker 0: I I mean, think about this. I want you to think about the placebo controlled trial. This is something that's really starting to make in the news and they're saying, we have done these placebo controlled trials.' They haven't. And why is it important? When you're testing a drug, 1 group gets this testing drug, the brand new drug, another group gets what's a placebo, something that has no effect on the human body, but we don't know who got what. It's double blind, they both get it. In the case of the drugs, 6 years, 7 years, 5 years, at least 2 years, We track both groups all the way through and ask obvious questions. Who had more diabetes or autoimmune issues or cancers or Mutagenic effects. And, obviously, at the end of it you unblind it, the scientists find out who was who, because they shouldn't be manipulating it And then you see: was the safety profile the same? Did the group that got the saline injection or got the sugar pill have the same amount of health issues as the ones that got the product. So in the vaccines, there are no placebos. This is the only way to prove causation. When they say to you: Well, we've never proved causation of this injury, whether it's multiple sclerosis in vaccines or autism in vaccines. We don't have any evidence, there's no causal relationship because you never did the trial, which would be the only way to prove causation, which is a placebo based trial. You skipped it. And this is what they're doing on all these vaccines. Speaker 1: And Pfizer wants to know the safety profile of their drugs before it goes in the market. Why? What happens if the drug causes injury? They can be sued, and they're sued all day long on their drug products. Drugs come off the market all the time, but they can't be sued for the vaccine. Speaker 0: Let's show you some evidence. There's a hepatitis b vaccine given to a baby in the 1st day of life. 1st 24 hours, they're getting this vaccine. We're not making this up. If you look at the vaccine, if you asked your doctor, I wanna see The insert wrapped around the vaccine. Look what it says about the safety trial. This is how we licensed it. This is what the FDA saw and said, good enough for us. Put it on the market. In 3 clinical studies there was 4 34 doses of Recombivax HB that were 5 micrograms, We're administered to 147 healthy infants and children up to 10 years of age. A 147 Was the size of this massively tested trial for the fate of every day 1 old baby in America and probably around the world. How long did that trial last? No placebo. They were monitored for 5 days. Speaker 1: 5 days. And to put what you're looking at in context, just to understand, this is the FDA website. This is the package insert for the hepatitis b vaccine. Section 6.1, you can look at every single don't take our word For this chart on the right, those safety review periods seem incredible. And in fact, I wouldn't believe them if you showed them to me. But all you have to do Speaker 0: Would you take any drug that had 5 days, 3 days, 28 days safety trial? That would be insane. And by the way, we've brought lawsuits against CDC and FDA on this. We said, If there's a safety trial longer than 7 days on the on the h, hepatitis B vaccine, we'd like to see it. FOIA request, Right? Speaker 1: Right. So for all of these clinical trials, in section 611, they summarize the safety review period, the control used, and how big the trial is, how Powered it is and those numbers seem so unbelievable that we actually FOIAed Freedom of Information Act, Sent request to the FDA to get copies of clinical trial reports and that in fact, for example, for this, hepatitis b vaccine, it is 5 days of safety review after injection With a 147 children, you that doesn't determine anything. And the only reason I think the company that sells this product, Merck, Is is okay with this, why the FDA is we'll get into, is because they don't have to worry about paying for injuries after his license. Speaker 0: Let's get to some videos. Okay. We plan on this going faster. I'm like, wow, that clock's moving quickly. I wanna show you what some of these people are saying on the stand. So, this is Stanley Plotkin. Yep. Right? So Stanley Plotkin is arguably the leading voice in vaccines in the world. He's on almost every vaccine company's board of directors in one way or another across the world. And if you go to the CDC and you sit in one of their meetings at the ACE IT, the Advisory Committee on Immunisation Practices, the gavel is called the Plotkin Gavel And the book written on vaccines that's this big is Plotkin' on vaccines. When he was asked Wanna play it? Speaker 1: Yeah. Go ahead. And this is just the world's leading vaccinologist and vaccines when I asked him about, and I confronted him about the hepatitis B vaccine that we looked at. Under oath. And when they're under oath, you get a little bit of a different answer than when they're on TV or they're doing commercial. Speaker 2: It is my great Honored to use the Stanley Plotkin gavel to open this meeting. Speaker 3: Our good friend and colleague, doctor Doctor. Plotkin. Doctor. Plotkin. Speaker 4: Virtually every country in the world is affected by his vaccines. Speaker 3: He was involved in pivotal trials on anthrax, Oral polio, rabies vaccine, Speaker 1: rubella vaccine, the rotavirus vaccine, rabies. Speaker 5: He has earned the distinguished physician award of the pediatric Infectious Disease Society, the Finland Award of the National Foundation For Infectious Diseases, the Hilleman Award of the American Society For Microbiology, the French Legion of Honor, and the Bruce Medal Preventive medicine. Speaker 3: He's a member of the Institute of Medicine and the French Academy of Medicine. Speaker 6: One of the very special things about him is the global impact that he's had, Not just from the products, but from his book. Speaker 3: He developed a standard textbook for vaccines in 1988. Speaker 5: Bill Gates calls his book a bible for vaccinologists. Speaker 7: I hope you all have, indeed have read the book, and I hope it's more accurate than the bible. Speaker 8: He trained, just a generation of scientists, including myself, to, to think like he thinks. Doctor Plokken, earlier you you testified that there are 2 hep B vaccines in the market, 1, by Glaxo GSK, That's Engerix B and the other one is by Merck, Recombivax HB, right? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: This is the Product, the manufacturer insert for Recombivax HB, correct? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: And the clinical trial experience would be found in Section 6.1, correct? Correct? Doctor. Plotkin? Speaker 7: Doctor. Yes. Speaker 8: Doctor. Okay. In Section 6.1, When you look at the clinical trials that were done pre licensure for COMVAX HB, how long does it say that safety was monitored after each dose? Speaker 7: Let's see. 5 days. Speaker 8: Is 5 days long enough to detect an autoimmune issue that arises after 5 days? Speaker 7: No. Speaker 8: Is 5 days long enough to detect any neurological disorder that arose from the vaccine after 5 days? No. There is no control group, correct? Speaker 7: It does not mention any control group, no. Speaker 8: If you turn to Section 6.2, under immune system disorders, Does it say that there were reports of hypersensitive reactions, including anaphylactic, anaphylactoid reactions, bronchospasms, And urticaria having been reported within the 1st few hours after vaccination? Yes. There have been reports of hypersensitivity syndrome? Speaker 7: Yes. That's what Speaker 8: it states. Does it reports of arthritis? Speaker 7: It is mentioned. Okay. Speaker 8: It also reports, autoimmune diseases, including Systemic lupus, erythematoses, lupus like syndrome, vasculitis, And polyteritis nodosa as well. Correct? Speaker 7: Yes. That's what it states. Speaker 8: And also, it states that, under the nervous system disorders, it states that, after that, there have been reports of Guillain Barre Syndrome, correct? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: As well as multiple sclerosis, exacerbation of multiple sclerosis, Myelitis, including transverse myelitis, seizure, febrile seizure, peripheral neuropathy, including Bell's palsy, Radiculopathy? Radiculopathy. Thank you very much. Muscle weakness, Hypothesia and encephalitis, correct? Speaker 7: Correct. Speaker 8: These are, events that are reported after vaccination. And as we've just Discussed, in order to establish whether it's causal between the vaccine and the condition, you need A randomly a randomized placebo controlled study, but that was not done for the this hepatitis B vaccine before licensure, was it? Speaker 7: No. Speaker 8: Okay. And given that the DXC now appears on the CDC's recommended list, Isn't it true that it would now be considered unethical to conduct such a study today? Speaker 7: It would be yes. It would be ethically difficult. Speaker 0: And there you have it. That's how every vaccine has made it through the process. Imagine how many of us gave the day 1 old baby with all of those side effects that were known, but the reason they get away with saying that there's no causal relationship is they refuse to do the study that would have allowed you to say they were causally related and therefore gets approved, 5 days of safety. That is the massive amount of studies that have been done for products given in day 1 old babies. And let me point this out. We have more babies die on the 1st day of life in the United States of America than every other industrialized nation combined. That is a terrible death rate for the greatest hospital system in the greatest nation in the world. And can they explain it? And why does your baby need a hepatitis B vaccine, a sexually transmitted disease that you usually only get if you were involved in multiple partners, prostitution or sharing heroin needles. Why does our baby on the 1st day of life need to get that vaccine? And they might say, well, the mom could be hepatitis B positive. Yeah, but every mother in America is tested and gets a blood test and we know whether she has it or not. So then why is every baby getting it when we know they're the only mothers with a baby might even need it. This is how ridiculous this entire system is and it starts there. Let's continue on. Post licensure, right? We talked pre licensure, that's like what happens before it's licensed, what happens after it's post, you know, out there in the market. Speaker 8: So if, Speaker 1: you know, before licensure, you don't have proper clinical trials that review safety for long duration against a control group that you can really compare it against, You'd at least hope that after licensure that studies are being conducted to assure the safety of childhood vaccines. Well, As we all know and you probably heard the CDC and other health agencies say all the time, all claimed harms Speaker 8: are thoroughly studied. Speaker 1: And, and they'll and, you know, you'll hear this, always, you know, rest assured if you say vaccines cause x, they'll tell you it doesn't And and probably the most famous claim, they'll tell you that don't worry vaccines do not cause. Right. Speaker 4: You Speaker 1: do that all the time. And so, in looking at this issue, you know, I I remember Dell, we discussed, Well, if we're gonna start to see how well do our health authorities, how well do the pharmaceutical companies really study The claimed harms the vaccines. Let's start by seeing how well they've studied The injury that they have told us, they have studied more thoroughly than anything else. Speaker 0: This one The vaccine is definitely covered. We've proved beyond a Shout of a doubt that vaccines do not cause autism. We have no idea what causes autism, they'll say on the news. Totally blind to that concept, but we do know what doesn't cause it. Speaker 5: We're not sure of the scientific community what causes autism, but we know that vaccines Do not. Speaker 1: Vaccines are really the one thing we have looked at as causing autism. Speaker 3: We know that vaccines don't cause autism. The science is Clear. Speaker 6: Vaccines don't cause autism. Speaker 1: I do not deny in any way that we need to do more about autism, but it has nothing to do The vaccines. Speaker 2: Let me be clear. Vaccines do not cause autism. Speaker 8: Vaccines don't cause autism. Absolutely sure. Absolutely sure. Speaker 1: Well, then great. The studies must be prolific. They must have studied every vaccine to assure that in fact vaccines don't cause autism. Here's the thing. Despite the fact that they're on the news and they're constantly telling everybody out there vaccines don't cause autism, studies surveying parents With children with autistic children, to this day, still 40 to 70% according to these studies of these parents say They believe that vaccines, 1 or more, cause autism. And when you ask them, what vaccine? What vaccine are you attributing to your child's autism? These are the vaccines that they'll typically list, the ones that it just got highlighted in red. This is the CDC vaccine schedule, and you can see it's the hepatitis b vaccine given 3 times by 6 months of age, And the DTaP, Hib, IPV, these are the vaccines that they will look at as and and click as well as the MMR vaccine, which is at the very bottom, Which is given no earlier than 1 year of age. So if you're gonna study, vaccines, and you're gonna say vaccines don't cause autism. You're gonna study the vaccines the parents are claiming are causing autism. Right? The vaccines given in the 1st months of 6 months of life. And just to be clear, This claim that these vaccines are causing autism goes way back. This is this what I'm about to show you is a decade Before Andy Wakefield said a word about vaccines and autism. This is the National Child Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, The law that Del referred to earlier that gave manufacturers immunity liability, when it did that, the law itself, Congress required their health authorities to study the 10 or 11 most commonly claimed injuries from these products. One of them on that list was autism. It said to our health authorities, study whether pertussis containing vaccines does or does not cause autism because It is something that is one of the most claimed injuries from this product. Again, a decade before Andy Wakefield said a word about vaccines and autism. In 1991, the Institute of Medicine did that study. They reviewed all the literature to see whether or not Vaccines, the pertussis vaccine, causes autism. Speaker 0: The most studied issue there is with vaccines, autism. And we The Institute of Medicine looks into it. How many studies have been done? What do we know about it? Speaker 1: So in 1991, 0. No studies have been done. Okay. Early days. No studies. 0. That's what they conclude. And, and then Speaker 0: when you think about this, Imagine you're a scientist or a doctor, you care about this issue. Well, one of those was Bernadine Healy, head of the NIH, the most powerful research institute in America and for the entire world. She got in, she's running the place, she's the top doctor in the United States of America, looks into the autism vaccine connection. She's asked in 2008 in a CBS interview by Cheryl Atkinson what she thinks. Remember, Oh, we figured this out. The science is settled. Top scientist head of NIH, former head of NIH. Speaker 6: This is the time when we do have the opportunity to understand Whether or not there are susceptible children, perhaps genetically, perhaps they have a metabolic issue, mitochondrial disorder, Immunological issue that makes them more susceptible to vaccines, plural, Or to one particular vaccine or to a component of vaccine, like mercury. So we now, in these times, Have to, I think, take another look at that hypothesis, not deny it. And I think we have the tools today that we didn't have 10 years ago, We didn't have 20 years ago to try and tease that out and find out if indeed there is that susceptible group. Why is this important? A susceptible group does not mean that vaccines aren't good. What a susceptible group will tell us is That maybe there is a group of individuals or a group of children that shouldn't have a particular vaccine or shouldn't have vaccine on the same schedule. It is the job of the public health community and of physicians to be out there and to say, Yes, We can make it safer because we are able to say this is a subset. We're going to deliver it in a way that we think is safer. Speaker 9: Do you feel the government was too quick to dismiss out of hand that there was this possibility of a link between vaccines and autism? Speaker 6: I think the government or Certain public health officials in the government have been too quick to dismiss the concerns of these families without studying the population that got sick. I haven't seen major studies that focus on 300 kids who got, Autistic symptoms Within a period of a few weeks of a vaccine, the reason why they didn't want to look for those Susceptibility Groups Was because they were afraid that if they found them, however big or small they were, that that would scare the public away. The fact that there is concern that you don't want to know that susceptible group is a real disappointment to me. If you know that susceptible group, you can save those children. Speaker 9: It sounds like you don't think the hypothesis of a link between vaccines and autism It's completely irrational. Speaker 6: So when I first heard about it, I thought, Well, that doesn't make sense to me. The more you delve into it, if you look at the basic science, if you look at the research that's been done in Animals. If you also look at, some of these individual cases and if you look at the evidence that there is no link, What I come away with is the question has not been answered. Speaker 0: What? Head of NIH, 2008? What? The question hasn't been answered, what am I hearing on the news every single day? And I want you to remember, if you take one thing away, listen to what she said. We are so afraid That if we do a study that finds a small group of children that are susceptible, not the whole group, just a small group, that are having a bad reaction to this. We're afraid that no matter how small that group is, that if we discover it, it will scare everybody away from taking vaccines and therefore, we are not doing those studies. That is the fact. You want a motive? It's not evil. It's not money grubbing. It's that they are so afraid that they will hurt the vaccine program by investigating and finding the truth that they refuse to find the truth. And no studies are being done on these issues at all. Speaker 1: Well, in 2012, To that point, our health authorities again hire the Institute of Medicine to look again at whether or not pertussis containing vaccine, Seen this time as well as diphtheria and tetanus containing vaccine do or do not cause autism. The Institute of Medicine then Created this massive panel that reviewed all the scientific literature out there and they only could find 1 study Relating to DTaP, again, the vaccine given at 2, 4 6 months of life and autism. This Geyer and Geyer study which actually found That there was a correlation between DTaP vaccines and autism, but they threw out the study because it was based on VAERS data. The important point is not that study. The important point is, here we are in 2012, over 2 decades After the 1986 act told our health authorities, study whether pertussis containing vaccine does or doesn't cause autism, And there is still not a single study conducted. Speaker 0: The biggest complaint parents have across the world of this vaccine, the number one biggest complaint, the most dangerous complaint, our government is saying study it, In 2 decades, they've still refused to do a single study and you're told this has been handled extensively. Speaker 1: So I had an opportunity again to ask the world's leading vaccinologists about exactly that finding. Speaker 8: Gonna hand you what's being marked as exhibit 22. This is an excerpt from the IOM's report. Speaker 7: Right? Yes. Okay. Speaker 8: And this is where the IOM discusses the evidence with regard to whether DTaP or Tdap Cause autism correct? Correct. Okay. If you turn to the 2nd page can you read the causality conclusion with regard to whether TAP and TDAAP cause autism. Speaker 7: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, Or acellular pertussis containing vaccine and autism. Speaker 8: So the IOM reviewed the available evidence with regard to whether Tdap or DTaP can cause autism and their conclusion was the evidence doesn't exist To show whether DTaP or TDaP do or do not cause autism, correct? Speaker 7: Yes, but the point is that there are no studies showing that it does cause autism except one study By 2 well known anti vaccination figures, Guyer and Guyer, who have no legitimacy whatsoever. So what they're saying is that there's no evidence and, the important point from my point of view is that there is no positive evidence to do a proper study As we've been discussing which would disprove it would involve The controlled administration of vaccines and, withholding vaccines from children who should have them. Speaker 8: But since there's no evidence that DTaP or Tdap don't cause autism, you can't yet say that vaccines do Speaker 7: not cause autism, correct? I cannot say that as a, as a scientist or a logician, But I can say as a physician Speaker 8: that no, they do not cause autism. So what you're saying is as a physician or logician, Then you couldn't say vaccines do not, you could not say vaccines do not cause autism, But as a pediatrician, you're saying that you would say that to a parent because You want to make sure they get the vaccine is that right? Speaker 7: You know I can't be sure that DTaP doesn't cause leprosy. That doesn't mean that that stops me from using a DTaP vaccine. Are people Claiming Speaker 8: that DTAP has caused leprosy? Speaker 1: I Are you aware of any such complaints? Speaker 7: I'm not aware of any such complaints but I wouldn't be surprised To see it on the web one of these days. Speaker 8: Okay, but but people have made enough complaints about DTaP, Tdap causing autism, that the Institute of Medicine at the commission of HHS thought it was serious enough To do a scientific review, correct? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: If you don't know whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism, Shouldn't you wait until you do know, until you have the science to support it? To then say that vaccines do not cause autism? Speaker 7: Do I wait? No. I do not wait because I have to take into account the health of the child. Speaker 8: And so for that reason, you're okay with telling the parent that DTaP, Tdap does not cause autism Even though the science isn't there yet to support that claim? Speaker 7: Absolutely. I'm also willing to tell them it doesn't cause leprosy. Speaker 8: Okay. Again, did the IOM review whether DTEF caused a leprosy? Speaker 1: No. Okay. You know, I will say that in my experience deposing vaccinologists, immunologists, pediatricians, infectious disease specialists, particularly vaccinologists, When there isn't any evidence, one or another, their conclusion is it doesn't cause it. I've not experienced that in any other area of science. Let's move on before we run out of time. So, you know, one of the things we wanted to do was we said fine. Maybe the Institute of Medicine couldn't find it. Maybe the head you know, the the the leading vaccine knowledge in the world doesn't have these studies. But the CDC surely should have these studies. The CDC, on its website, says vaccines don't cause autism. So here, we submitted a Freedom of Information Act request To the CDC asking them, please provide all studies relied upon by the CDC to claim that DTaP vaccines don't cause autism. We did the same for hep b vaccine, Prevnar, Hib, inactivated polio vaccine, as well as all those vaccines combined. We said, please give us the studies. Guess what? They didn't give it to us. So we had to sue them in federal court. And here is the conclusion of that federal lawsuit. The CDC finally Listed 20 studies that they rely upon, they say, to claim that vaccines don't cause autism for the vaccines given in the 1st 6 months of life. I can only assume they think we don't read or something, but we do. So we read the 20 studies. Here's the thing about them. 18 of them involve the Marisol, an ingredient not in any of the vaccines we asked about, or the MMR vaccine not given Until at least 1 year of life. One of them involved antigen, one of the studies, not vaccine exposure. And that study even says it cannot tell you whether don't cause autism because they didn't study them. Just studied a con a component of it. And then finally, the last thing it provided, incredibly, Was a review from 2012, the one we looked at before, that looked at MMR demerisole. Again, MMR, not a vaccine we've asked about. Demerisole, not an ingredient in the vaccines. And DTaP. That's the DTaP review we just read from 2012. So the only reviewer study they provided us That actually involved a single one of the vaccines given in the 1st 6 months of life Was a study by the Institute of Medicine that found we don't have a single study of whether DTaP does or doesn't cause autism. I had an opportunity to depose, maybe the 2nd or 3rd leading vaccinologist in the world today, doctor Kathryn Edwards, in a case Specifically about vaccines and autism, actually. You see there you can see the medical textbook on vaccines Speaker 0: He's one of the authors on the same Plotkin book. You can see her Speaker 1: right there listed One of the, the editors, and, and you could hear when I confronted her about this issue, what she had to say about the state of the science With regards to whether vaccines don't cause autism again the the issue they say they have studied more thoroughly and robustly than any other claimed vaccine injury. Speaker 8: According to your profile, you have done most of the treatable trials relied upon to license many of the vaccines, correct, on the market? Speaker 10: Yes, sir. Okay. Speaker 8: So you're highly experienced in conducting clinical trials, correct? Speaker 10: I'm highly experienced conducting clinical Speaker 8: And you're familiar with many of the clinical trials that rely upon to license many of the vaccines currently on the market. Correct? Speaker 2: I am. Speaker 1: In your opinion, Speaker 8: did the clinical trials relied upon to license the vaccines that Gates received, Many of which are still on the market today. Were they designed to rule out That the vaccine causes autism. Speaker 2: No. You badgered me into answering the question the way you want me to, but I I think that, That, that I've, that's probably the answer. Speaker 8: Is it, is that your accurate and truthful testimony? Speaker 4: Yes. In the expert disclosures for this case, it it asserts that among other things, you will testify that quote, The issue of whether vaccines cause autism has been thoroughly researched and rejected, end quote. It's your testimony that MMR vaccine cannot cause autism. Speaker 10: That's correct. Speaker 4: It's your testimony that hep b vaccine cannot cause autism. Speaker 10: That's correct. Speaker 4: It's your testimony that IPOL cannot cause autism. Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 4: It's Is your testimony that Hib vaccine cannot cause autism? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Is Speaker 4: your testimony that Varicella vaccine cannot cause autism? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 4: It's your testimony that Prevnar vaccine cannot cause autism? Speaker 10: Yes. Speaker 4: And it's your testimony that DTAB vaccine cannot cause autism? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 4: And do you have a study that supports that DTaP doesn't cause autism? Speaker 10: I have I do not have a study that's that DTaP Speaker 2: causes autism. So I don't have either. Speaker 4: Do you have any study one way or another of whether Ipol causes autism? Speaker 10: I no. I do not, sir. Speaker 4: Do you have any study one way or another of whether Engerix B causes autism? Speaker 10: I do not have any, evidence that it causes autism nor that it does not. Speaker 4: And what about, HID titers Vaccine. Any evidence one way or another, whether it causes autism? And what about Prevnar vaccine? Any evidence one way or another? Speaker 10: No, sir. Speaker 4: And how about varicella vaccine? Let me just finish. Are there any studies one way or another that support whether it does or doesn't cause autism? Speaker 10: Part of of MMR, but but not as, varicella by itself. No, sir. No Studies that say it does or no studies that say it doesn't. Speaker 4: Right. There have been studies that have found An association between hepatitis B vaccine and autism, correct? Speaker 10: Not Studies that I feel are credible. Speaker 4: K. Which study which study do you are you referring to when you say that? Well, why Speaker 10: don't you show me the study and then I'll see whether I agree with it. Speaker 0: Ultimately, here's what it comes down to. Of all the studies they've told you, they've done all these studies of the vaccine program. They've only ever looked at 1 vaccine truly, that's the MMR vaccine, none of the other 16 vaccines given in 72 doses, They've only done studies on one of all of those ingredients and that's the mercury that's no longer in most of the vaccines and you still have 50 to 70% of parents saying I'm pretty sure it happened right after the vaccine, that's when I lost my kid and I want to point out, get to the next video and you can set it up, but I want to point this out: they will tell you, Well, that's just a knee jerk reaction of a parent, they need something to blame, they blame the vaccines because vaccines are something you're giving your kids every day. I will assure you I have interviewed thousands of these parents and these stories. And what they will end up telling you is it was the last thing that they ever wanted to blame. They listened to their doctors, they chased every other red herring they could find for an excuse. They wanted it to be their DNA. Please let it be my DNA so there's nothing I had involved with When they finally come to the conclusion that it's a vaccine that they chose to give their child, that is one of the darkest days for every one of these parents that's ever been through it. Because now I did it. I gave my kids something that I could have opted out of, I could have been against, I could have done some reading on it and now the guilt is with them the rest of their lives. I assure you, this is not a go to, jump to, I just want to blame vaccines because the day you come to that conclusion, you're gonna be blaming yourself the rest of your life and no one makes that their first choice. So when you have up to 70% of parents saying it's the vaccine, these are parents in pain that have looked for every other reason there could have possibly been and they're only left with one obvious conclusion. Speaker 1: So a lot of people say, well, how could this happen? How could regulators allow this to happen? 2000, there's a congressional report that found that most of the members of the, CDC and FDA vaccine committees have substantial substantial ties to the pharmaceutical industry. 2009, they find it again, and here's the deposition again of Doctor. Edwards, who was one of the members of the 5 person, Data Safety Monitoring Board for the Pfizer COVID nineteen vaccine. Speaker 8: Isn't it true that Speaker 11: you have also been an advisor to Pfizer? Speaker 2: Yes, sir. I have been an advisor to Pfizer, and I've been Working very, very closely with Pfizer, particularly with their COVID vaccines, and going over lots So a reaction to that risk event. So yes, I am working and be paid by Pfizer for my assessment of vaccine safety. Speaker 11: The part of the Data Safety Monitoring Board Speaker 8: for the project COVEX, you know, you said that. Speaker 11: You're one Speaker 8: of the only 5 members Speaker 11: of that Data Safety Monitoring Board, so with Pfizer COVID nineteen vaccine, right? Speaker 2: Yes, you're right. Speaker 11: That's supposed to be independent Data Safety Monitoring Board, correct? Speaker 2: It is an independent Data Safety Monitoring Speaker 11: That's the board that Speaker 8: all of us Speaker 11: in America Our hoping on and relying upon is going to independently make sure that safety is properly assessed Speaker 8: as the clinical trial for that Pfizer COVID Speaker 2: That's true. And let me tell you that that we have worked very hard to to do that indeed, as comprehensively as we possibly can. Speaker 11: And since it's supposed to be independent, it's critical that the members of that independent Data Safety Monitoring Board are in fact independent Of the pharmaceutical company whose product is being evaluated, correct? Speaker 2: That's correct. Speaker 11: But this is true that directly before becoming a member of the Independent Data so Speaker 8: you can monitor the Pfizer COVID nineteen vaccine. You were Pfizer to Pfizer? Speaker 2: Pfizer pays me To evaluate the safety of the vaccines because I'm an expert. So I do get paid to do the work Speaker 11: My question was, Before you became a member of the independent data safety monitoring work for the Pfizer COVID nineteen vaccine, isn't it true that Speaker 1: you were Speaker 11: Separate before you held that independent position, you were an advisor to Pfizer. Speaker 2: Yes, sir. But I think what you're presuming is that because I've been an advisor makes me on their door What makes me, going to say what they want me to say, that head is not and has never been a part of my being. I'd say what I believe based on my expertise. Speaker 11: So, you don't think that financial Incentives can sway people's judgment at all. Speaker 2: It does not sway my judgment, sir. Speaker 8: Why BOGS having an independent Data Safety Monitoring Board? Why isn't Pfizer just have some of its employees on it? Speaker 2: Because we are independent. Speaker 11: Meaning folks who were never advisors to Pfizer. Speaker 2: We are independent from Pfizer in this assessment. Speaker 1: The one thing to think about though, it's it's comical in in a way, but it's also, it's deadly serious because doctor Edwards was the vaccinologist Just on that 5 member independent data city monitor board who sat there evaluating the data while the COVID nineteen vaccine, Pfizer's COVID nineteen vaccine That's been given to about 200,000,000 Americans as being assessed Yep. Before it rolled out and was put into the arms of people across this country. You go and you inject almost every healthy person with something. You only need to mess that up one time one time to break our society. We'll we'll move on to, I guess we're almost out of time. Speaker 0: Final issue of abortion, which we're going to Mississippi tomorrow because Aaron Siri managed to win the biggest lawsuit in this space and return the religious exemption to Mississippi. Yeah. They lost that ability to opt out of the program in 1979 and just a couple months ago, you managed to win that. Why is it important? It's important for people, especially in the Bible Belt, that maybe don't want aborted babies being used in the processing, development and manufacturing of vaccines. You're told, well, it was 1 baby in the 1960s. Aaron Seery put Stanley Plotkin on the stand. Let's see if it really was 1 baby. In your work related to vaccines, how many fetuses have been part of that work? Speaker 7: My own personal work? 2. Speaker 8: I'm gonna hand you what's been marked plaintiff's exhibit 41. Okay. Are you familiar with this article, doctor Plotkin? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: Okay. Are you listed as an author on this article? Speaker 7: Yes. Okay. Speaker 8: This study took place at the Wistar Institute, correct? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: You were at the Wistar Institute, correct? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: How many fetuses were used in the study described in this article? Quite a few. So This study involved 74 fetuses, correct? Speaker 7: I don't remember exactly how many. Speaker 8: Turn to Page 12 of the study. Yeah. 76. 76. Mhmm. And, these fetuses, were all 3 months or older when aborted, correct? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: Okay. And these were all normally developed fetuses, correct? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: What organs did you harvest from these fetuses? Speaker 7: Well, I didn't personally harvest any, But, a whole range of tissues were harvested, by coworkers. Speaker 8: Okay. And these pieces were then cut up into little pieces, right? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: And they were cultured? Yes. Okay. Some of the pieces of the fetuses were pituitary gland That were that were chopped up into pieces to Speaker 7: Mhmm. Speaker 8: Okay. Included the lung of the fetuses? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: Okay. Included the skin? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: Kidney? Speaker 7: Yes. Spleen? Yes. Heart? Yes. Speaker 8: And and tongue? Speaker 7: I don't recall, but probably yes. Speaker 8: So I just want to make sure I understand. In your entire career and this was just 1 study, so I'm going to ask I'm going to ask you again. In your entire career, how many fetuses have you worked with? Speaker 7: Well, I don't remember the exact number, but quite a few When we were studying them, originally before we decided to use them to make vaccines. Speaker 8: Do you have any sense? I mean, this one study had 76. How many other studies did you have that you used the Border Fetuses for? Speaker 7: Oh, I don't remember how many. Speaker 8: You're you're aware are you aware that the one of the, objections to vaccination by the plaintiff in this case is The inclusion of aborted fetal tissue in the development of vaccines and the fact that it's actually Part of the ingredients of vaccines? Speaker 7: Yes. I'm aware of those objections. The Catholic Church has actually issued a document on that which says that individuals who need the vaccine should receive the vaccines regardless of the fact and that, that, I think it implies that I am the individual who will go to hell because of the use of aborted Tissues, which I am glad to to do. Okay. Speaker 8: Do you know if the mother is Catholic? Speaker 7: I have no idea. Speaker 8: Okay. Do you take issue with religious beliefs? Speaker 7: Yes. Okay. Speaker 8: You've said that, quote, vaccination is always under attack by religious zealots who believe that The will of God includes death and disease? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 8: You stand by that statement? Speaker 7: I absolutely do. Okay. Speaker 8: Are you an atheist? Speaker 7: Yes. Speaker 0: That's just some of the truths you can find at the highwire.com and the great work that Aaron Seery's been doing, getting the truth exposed. Hopefully, this will help you understand as you hear this conversation. You hear attacks on people like Robert Kennedy Junior being said that he's lying when he says that the safety trials haven't been done. Now, you know the truth. Spread the word. Thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you.

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The Placebo Myth with receipts.

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Mega Thread - The Childhood Vaccine Placebo Myth Is a true saline placebo used w/ the 💉’s on the childhood schedule? All evidence I’ve provided is directly from the manufacturers insert or safety reports. This is not my opinion so take it up with FDA & Pharma if you’re mad.

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Every disease was in precipitous decline when the vaccine was introduced.

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Mega Thread The Religious Belief That Vaccines Saved The Human Race We all hear ad nauseam the phrase “safe & effective” for all vaccines, it’s like a religious mantra designed to bypass critical thinking capacity, rendering the truth impotent.

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VAERS, designed to be ignored.

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Mega Thread: VAERS You’ve probably noticed that anytime someone brings up the VAERS reports that are off the charts post injection, they are immediately dismissed as fake reports that have not been verified and the usual go to is “correlation doesn’t imply causation”.

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More testimony exposing “the $cience”

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MUST WATCH TESTIMONY October 13, 2009 Testimony By Dr. Gary Null before the New York State Assembly Hearing Dr. Null gives an impassioned and riveting testimony against the false beliefs about vaccines and their lack of safety data. He accuses the CDC, FDA and the pharmaceutical industry of scientific fraud and crimes against humanity. He brings the receipts, wait until you hear the absurd profit margins he cites for some of the most common drugs and this was in 2009. It’s an old video so the sound isn’t the greatest but it is definitely worth your time.

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The speaker questions the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, particularly in relation to autism. They criticize the lack of long-term, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies on vaccines and highlight the conflict of interest between vaccine manufacturers and regulatory bodies. The speaker also discusses the high number of lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and the exorbitant markups on popular drugs. They argue that the current scientific evidence does not support the trust placed in vaccines and advocate for freedom of choice in healthcare decisions. The speaker claims to have a comprehensive review of the safety and efficacy of flu vaccines and mentions dissenting opinions on the connection between vaccines and autism.
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Speaker 0: I'm going to try to bring 4 separate pieces of the puzzle together. Some of it may include some of what you've already heard, but I'm I know for a fact much of it is different. There's no Jewish saying, a half truth is a whole lie. I begin my discussion by asking 2 basic questions. Are vaccines safe? If so, what is the proof? Are vaccines effective? If so, what is the proof? I am not talking about all vaccines, though this applies to all vaccines specifically on what we're dealing with. I have reviewed the scientific literature extensively. I've spent the last seven and a half years with thousands of hours of research on the subject of autism and what connections they may have to environmental factors including vaccines. Not just the Thimerosal in vaccines, but the other ingredients as well. I produced an award winning document called Hautists Made USA. I produced a separate document called Vaccine Nation representing all sides. All of it, the Primary response from the United States vaccines in general is that Myrna has his say. I then did something that I thought had been done, and I was surprised when I realized it had not. When I began to review what amounted to thousands of peer reviewed literature studies on vaccines, I found that I could find no convincing evidence that any vaccine at all had long term double blind, placebo controlled study trials. And even when they said, when the evidence I did examine that the CDC and the FDA and other organizations were using as, oh, of course, they're studies. And they showed the studies. They would say, well, this is a study, and then I would find it. Well, you left out the virus part of the vaccine, but you included all the other ingredients, including thimerosal and mercury and formaldehyde that center it. Well, that's not a placebo. And in good science, you don't use that as placebo. I also saw that virtually all the studies that were supporting the vaccines were done by the vaccine manufacturers. And since the FDA does not do independent studies on this on the creation safety net vaccine vaccines, but rather relies upon the information from the vaccine manufacturers. And there's a very close relationship. I then took a very careful look at this relationship and found that more than 50% of people sitting home, the FDA and the CDC's Vaccine advisory program were from vaccine manufacturers. I thought this was a gross conflict of interest. The rationale was given that There are not enough experts who are independent to sit on these committees, and I thought that's absurd. There are more than 3,000,000 outstanding scientists in the United States. Don't tell me you can't find 15 who have no industry affiliation, so on the vaccine scheduling committee. I then took a careful look, and here's what I found. And this is where you have to bring the pieces together before you lose sight. We're too close, too narrow on this issue. First, when a child is given the vaccine, adults given the vaccine, a senior citizen's given the vaccine, rarely, if Ever has anyone done any study that I can find, and I'm open to the fact I may not have found one that was done, but I looked at 1,000 where they look at combinations vaccine used in the given individual to see what short and long term impact it might have had. Now my the panel before said that only 2% of vaccine seen adverse reactions are reported. The highest number I could find was the FDA's 10%. When you consider that $1,300,000,000 has to get out vaccine mandate, and you consider that the criteria for receiving that reward is based upon getting The proof that your vaccine injury occurred in a very narrow frame of time, and then you look at the epidemiological evidence. You talk with immunologists. You talk with people. In every specialty of medicine, they will tell you many people will have a delayed reaction to a vaccine. It might be a month, 6 months, a year, even 2 years. Now I'm wanting to ask, you're willing to inject pregnant women in this state or fire them if they don't take the vaccine. Are you or any member here, anyone is the governor? Is anyone in the state be held personally and legally responsible if that developing fetus hits that mercury into the brain and ends up with a learning disability, with autism, with any one of the offices of Beckman's orders or ends up with some form of intellectual deficit. We had an epidemic. I did another award winning documentary the drug of our children. Appalling to know that when you were going to school, when I was going to school, no kid got drugged. Today, 10,000,000 American children don't go to school before they get a class 2 drug. The same class as cocaine. Do we actually we have a new epidemic that didn't happen to any generation in American history, anywhere else in the world, that suddenly happened in the last 25 years Does the newest generation have a brain chemical imbalance? No. And yet the so called experts, the very experts that would rely upon her and say, well, it must be something wrong, that's why we're giving him the drugs, the drugs must work. And I say, no. The number one cause of death in the United States in 10 to 14 year old boys is suicide. How many kids committed suicide when you were going to school, sir? None when I went to school. When I went to the largest high school in my state, 5,500 students, Mark Zuckerberg High School. So where do we have a whole new generation of people where autism is suddenly showing a tip that never before? If autism where historically there, then everyone in their fifties, sixties, and seventies would start representing at least percentage wise population Autistic adults, we don't see it. It doesn't exist. And then we reduce to acknowledge that what they're getting early in life could be contributing to it. So I'm saying I am not willing to step by quietly and allow women who've been used and abused by the medical authorities, the very same medical doctors who have An enormous hubris and contempt for women say, your body is our concern. Your developing fetus is in our best interest to make sure it's born healthy, and yet give them mercury. You asked that same doctor, would you give that woman lead? Would you give anyone the screw lead? If you did, you would go to jail. So you're gonna give something more toxic than lead to every one of these pregnant women? Sir, I'm appalled and I'm offended in the extreme, and I will not contain my concern. Because these same women that we're so called interested in, For the last 35 years, I've been one of the leading people advocating against synthetic hormone replacement therapies. We know now it causes breast cancer, ovarian cancer, heart attacks, Dementia and stroke, 10% minimum, 13% more likely. You're talking about 10,000,000 women, that's 1,300,000 women we're allowing to be sacrificed by some of the altar of ignorance or greed or hubris. My mother died of a heart attack the middle night as she was taking synthetic hormone replacement therapy. Now part another part of this scenario is the number one cause of death in the United States is American medicine. I did a report that has not been refuted with 5 other MD board certified PhDs called death by medicine. I was intrigued when the American Medical Association said that the number 3 or 4 causes death in the United States was hydrolysis. What they failed to mention were all the other causes. So we did the same statistics using their statistics, no one else's, and no editorializing, we found that more Americans died each year from medical errors than heart attacks or strokes or cancer. More are injured. 723,000. Doctor will pay from Harvard, considered the United States' expert on this, at over a1000000 We're even conservative, and our figures and his figures do not account for anyone who has adverse reaction at home, only in institutional settings. So the figure is much higher. Now you would think that you have more Americans killed each year preventable deaths, more Americans injured, preventable injuries, than all of American casualties in the 1st and 2nd World War combined in 1 year, that there be a hearing, a committee, some open forum such as this, which I'm happy you're doing. Nothing. It's the £10,000 gorilla in the room. So if American medicine is incapable, As good as we are, and I respect what works in American medicine, it saves lives. But I'm also very much concerned about the lives takes and does not acknowledge. So now I've got a problem with the doctor giving me some uncertainty, whether it's a doctor in private practice or a doctor at the state board level saying that trust us. I'm saying I'm trusting the science, and the science does not show that you deserve my trust. Now the World Health Organization, I believe, is disingenuous and plain half truths. As of May 2009, a pandemic was defined as quote, from the World Health Organization, an influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity resulting in evidence worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness, unquote. Now, today, it reads, quote, a disease epidemic occurs when there is, are more cases of that disease than normal. A pandemic is a worldwide epidemic of a disease, an influence. Pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity. Unquote. Conclusion? By the new definition, the world will always be in a pandemic requiring flu vaccines. This is not What the World Health Organization recently announced? Now the efficacy. Doctor Anthony Morris, who should have been here, The former chief vaccine officer, top up authority at the FDA, quote, the producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go on selling it anyway. CDC officials have confessed both influenza vaccines with the least effective immunizing agents available, especially for the elderly and the children. So when I was in Albany last week and met with a physician, I asked a simple question. Why are you giving this up first to pregnant women, children, and the senior citizen? Well, because it's gonna say, for senior citizens, I had 5 peer review studies. The only 5 peer review studies considered a quality showing efficacy levels for the swine flu vaccine. 0, 2%, 7%, 9%. That For the flu vaccine, it would be considered completely statistically non significant. Therefore, there is no protection that We can say that the flu vaccine or the swine flu vaccine confers upon senior citizens. Yet, with just a dismissal of a thought, It went out the window. Well, not when you're a senior citizen and you're more likely to have a compromised immune system, we have more illnesses in the United States today than ever before in our history. We have epidemics of immune related illnesses. Arthritis, diabetes, cancers, lupus, Fibromyalgia, these are not healthy people. And yet in the FDA and they mentioned earlier, doctor Tom Jackson, head of vaccine field group at Cochrane database, a review of all published and unpublished efficacy evidence, and I looked at all their actual studies and then take his word, They found only 1 safety study performed with an inactivated flu vaccine conducted back in 1976. Quote, most studies are of poor methodological quality and the impact of cofounders is high. Quote, evidence for Systemic reviews show that inactivated vaccines have little or no effect on the effects measured, unquote. Quote, immunization of young children is not linked Poured by our findings, we recorded no convincing evidence that vaccines can reduce death, hospital admission, serious complications, community transmission influence. Quote, in young children below the age of 2, we can find no evidence that the vaccines was diff were different than a placebo. And then last week, the National Institutes of Health announced 2 efficacy and safety trials underway. 1 for pregnant women, another for healthy adults with asthma. Now Look at the analysis. There are no control groups, and to me that inactivates the quality of the study. And the exclusion criteria for pregnant women, if a Exclusion criteria for pregnant women. If a pregnant woman shows the temperature is fine to 100 degrees Fahrenheit or higher in 72 hours, both from receiving the shot, they are excluded from the study. Hello? Hello? My god. What has happened? Has science gone crazy? The whole idea is that if a pregnant woman has a vaccine and she has a temperature, you immediately say that is A positive action that must be considered and examined. You're gonna exclude her? This is a fixed study. This is absolute scientific fraud, And I will sue these bastards. Trust me. I am not a person he played with on these issues, And I had the resources and the attorneys to do so. I'm not going to allow another one of these stupid industry studies. Now I can go on. I'm not going to because many of the people have touched, but here's what you didn't know. None of you knew. No one in America knows this. So this is something you should think on, sir. And I'm not holding you responsible for my thoughts or my emotions, so please do not personalize it. Alright? You're here. You have to take a lot of stuff today. I'm sorry to be the bearer of my own energy too. Alright? I decided to do something I am embarrassed to say no one in the media has done. I wanted to see the efficacy excuse Excuse me. I wanna see the character. The people that we've been supporting, much like the banks that were too big to fail and the 20 banks that were Solvent, we gave all that hard money to. Well, I looked into their background, and I found that they have suddenly a $1,000,000,000,000 of lawsuits for every crime you could imagine. Now if you or I committed the kind of crimes that these individuals committed, we would not be held up as a carrier of high value. Then I went to the vaccine mandates, the very people we trust, the people we save you're giving us a vaccine, we were going to accept that you've done the good science, that you have no alternative motive except to protect people, you make a little profit line? I have all their data from LexisNexis. I hired a group of young attorneys who were researchers, and I said, I want every study. We now have Just assembling 132,000 lawsuits. Let me repeat that, sir. 132,000 lawsuits But these individuals have have paid for buying from price fixing, falsifying scientific data, skewing studies, knowing in advance they had in unhealthy and toxic drugs and lying on the market. Why? Because it was considered the cost of doing business. The cost of doing business ended up causing 43,000 Americans died from 1 drug, 1 drug, Biox. Doctor Graham of the FDA, who I interviewed, who was a very conscientious person said that he went to the FDA and his own office and said we can't allow this drug out. It is dangerous. They kept him quiet. They intimidated him. They threatened him. He's on the record saying that. And Fios came out. In 4 years, they killed 43,000 people injured a 125,000, and yet they settled a lawsuit for $4,500,000,000, and their stock went up. My job. Where else did in America could you kill 43,000 people and get a raise? Am I the only person find this rather odd that these serial criminals, these absolute criminals, are the ones that we trust with our help, an entire nation put at risk? Now if they had a clean record, If it only been shown to do good things for the public, yes. But I got a 132,000 studies a lawsuit settled. How many do do I not have that we're settled and no amount was given? Triple that. Over $1,000,000,000,000. So here we have it. People who have committed crimes, their crimes end up causing death and injury, and we give them a clean pass. I get out of jail. No character assassination. Nobody goes to jail. Nobody is harmed. Your reputations are intact. We're in fact we don't care what you do. We don't care how many crimes you commit. We don't care how many Americans you kill or injure. Go ahead and make us our vaccine. They say, well, We need to give them necessities. We need to give 1,000,000,000 to 1.22 billion to another 4,000,000,000 to another. I managed to find their actual cost of what it costs them to make the 10 most popular drugs in America. Listen carefully. This isn't likely. This is a very important part of this puzzle. Celebrex, 100 milligrams. You pay a $130.27. Then pay for the cost of the generic active ingredient from the same 100 capsules, 60¢. Their markup, 21,712% markup. Then you have Claritin, 10 milligrams. Consumer pays $215.17. Their cost in a month is 30,306% mark up. I'll skip some that are lower in the 8,000, 10000%. Let me go to Norvex, 10 milligrams, $188.29, you pay, they pay 14 pennies. 14p, that's a 134,493% markup. Then Prevacid, 30 milligrams, $344.77. They get dollar 1, that's 34,136 markup. Oh, and let us know, Prilosec, 20 milligrams, $360.97. They paid 52¢, 69,417%. But I say the glass 2 for best. Here, Prozac. We've all heard of Prozac. Twenty milligrams. $247.47. They pay 11¢. 11¢. 224,973% back up? I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt. Or maybe I do. But there are many other people who Okay. I'll finish. I'll place you on my list. Okay. Alright. And finally, Xanax. One milligram of Xanax cost you a $136.79, they pay 2¢. 569,009 158% markup. So what we have is we have some extreme profit, more than any other industry, more than any other products I'm aware of, were from people who have committed massive crimes against humanity and gotten a clean bill of health for it, who are telling us to believe that their vaccines are safe and effective. They have no double blind placebo controlled studies. They're willing to allow the most vulnerable amongst us, the children pregnant and seniors, to get this vaccine. I am not opposed to any vaccine that can be shown to be safe and effective. I am opposed to science that is so faulty, so written with inconsistencies and contradictions that they're not allowing to open the bait between those of us who do this look at the spot signs and they proclaim to me. This is not a secret. This is a full view of the public. I'm concerned that we do not allow people in our society of freedom of choice. Democracy is about freedom of choice. You can believe any religion is the right one, any job you want, any political party. Why can't you have the same right of choice about your body and your health? I am a healthy American, and I do not want, as a healthy American, a toxic drug in my body. To me, that's a violation of my constitutional rights as well as just decency and ethics. Thank you very much. Can you point us to I mean, I guess, repeat the question that Speaker 1: I put to, Louis Conte and and, John Gilmore. Can you point me to a systematic review of the safety of either the flu vaccine or Speaker 0: I can, sir. I gave the woman at the door a 10 copies of a 100 page review no. There's a c a a CD there. It's a 100 pages with 207 scientific references, No editorializing, pure science, a review of the safety and efficacy studies of the swine flu and the flu vaccines only. Nothing else mentioned. And it is complete. Only peer reviewed literature was used and let you have a copy of it. Speaker 1: And Who did the systematic review? Speaker 0: A group of researchers, myself included. Peoples with backgrounds in elective biology and, internal medicine and virology. Okay. And that Speaker 2: that would be your your reference then? Speaker 0: That is the reference. Yes, sir. And I might mention I keep hearing everyone say the expert panel agreed that there was no connection. I heard it earlier in the day between, Vaccines and autism, but I had to actually go to the, research, and I found that that was absolutely not true. In fact, of the members of the panel of that vaccine oversight committee, 13 members of the committee said that there was a connection. They had no vaccine or vaccine or drug company affiliation. The small percentage said there was not a connection. All had vaccine or drug company affiliations, And I'm surprised that information has not been made available. I also have all the studies on the sicknesses that children have developed when they've taken the flu vaccines, And all these are from separate, separate stems. They're all peer reviewed.

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Under oath and clueless. PART 1

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Watch Dr. Teresa Holtrop who is President of the Michigan American Academy of Pediatrics questioned under oath, about her knowledge of the ingredients in the products she so vehemently defends. It did not go well. Ask yourself if she doesn’t know and she is the head pediatrician in Michigan, how much does your pediatrician know about what they are arrogantly injecting into your child? This should be a wake up call.

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Speaker 0 suggests that a child who hasn't received any immunizations will have to endure six injections at once. Speaker 1 confirms that a six-month-old would receive DTaP, polio, and Hep B vaccines. Speaker 0 mentions that the type of Hep B vaccine depends on previous sessions. The same applies to a two-and-a-half-year-old. Speaker 1 questions why aluminum adjuvants are used in vaccines, to which Speaker 0 replies that they make the vaccine more effective. Speaker 1 asks about the form of aluminum and its effects, but Speaker 0 is unsure. They discuss the quantity of ingested and injected aluminum, but Speaker 0 believes the amount in vaccines is safe. Speaker 1 questions the ability of aluminum to cross the blood-brain barrier, but Speaker 0 is unaware. They also discuss antigens, macrophages, and vaccine ingredients, but Speaker 0 lacks specific knowledge. The conversation ends with Speaker 1 asking about family history factors and the type of polio vaccine used in the US. Speaker 0 provides some clarification.
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Speaker 0: I have a suggestion. Speaker 1: Oh, wonderful. Speaker 0: Because it'll be impressive enough. The fact that this child has not gotten any immunizations previously means this poor child will have to be tortured with 6 different injections at the same time. And if you would like to put those 6 up at the one visit, at her 1st visit to get all these immunizations, I'm happy to do that. Speaker 1: A child at their 6 months shot, they would receive DTaP. Correct? Speaker 0: Correct? Speaker 1: They will receive polio. Speaker 0: Correct. Speaker 1: Hep b. Speaker 0: Correct. Yes. Hep? It depends. It depends on the product that was used in the first 2 sessions. Same same issue with catching up Speaker 1: Two and a half year old, right. Same choice. Speaker 0: Same choice. Yeah. In this case, yes. Speaker 1: And at excuse me, at two and a half years of age you're saying getting 6 vaccines is torture, but a 6 month old would have to receive. We just counted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 vaccines. Correct? Vaccines. Correct? Aluminum adjunants are using vaccines. Correct? Speaker 0: Correct. Speaker 1: Why are the aluminum adjunants using vaccines? Speaker 0: Because they make the vaccine more effective. Speaker 1: Okay. And how do they do that? Speaker 0: I don't know. Speaker 1: Okay. What's an antigen? Speaker 0: An antigen is a typically a protein that, in this case, it would be if you're talking about vaccines, an antigen is, a protein that causes a reaction? And oftentimes, is an an infectious agent, not always? Speaker 1: Isn't it true that an adjuvant will only will not only bind to the target antigen That's in the vaccine, but also, to the impurities and byproducts such as the animal and human parts left in the vaccine or the manufacturing process? Speaker 0: You're asking me specifics about physiology, that I am not that's not my area of expertise. Speaker 1: But I'm There is okay. So you're not aware that there's a difference between the form of aluminum. Speaker 0: So when it's ingested, Speaker 1: it's taken up an ionic form. Speaker 0: When it's injected, It's in these nano particle forms and Speaker 1: in contrast injected aluminum is our nano particles, correct? They're there to create an irritant to the immune system so that the the vaccine creates antibodies. And so they're actually these nanoparticles that are in the vaccine, right, or do not know? Speaker 0: You're talking about specifics that are are very detailed. Speaker 1: Are the are the details important? I mean, you you said that Speaker 0: Not in this case because we're talking about a metal. It is not concerning to me because the amount of aluminum that we ingest in general are just through our diet is much higher than what we get through vaccines, there's no reason to believe that that amount, that additional small amount is anything to be Speaker 1: So you said that the Quantity of ingested aluminum is small or, excuse me, is is much larger in the Speaker 0: amount of injected aluminum and therefore, you deem it safe. Correct. Speaker 1: Are you aware that the, Speaker 0: this FDA provides that in terms of ingesting ingested the lignin, Speaker 1: 0.3 3% or less is actually taken up by the blood. Do you know that or not? I it's Speaker 0: just I don't know the exact numbers. Speaker 1: And that it is, it's taken up in ionic form. Do you understand what I mean? Speaker 0: I understand what you mean by that. Speaker 1: In its in its smallest Elemental form, that's what's taken into the blood. Right? Speaker 0: Correct. Speaker 1: And and aluminum and ionic form is not able to cross the blood brain barrier. Correct? I am not aware that that's true. You're Speaker 0: I am not aware that that's true. Speaker 1: You don't know? Speaker 0: I don't know that that's true. Speaker 1: Okay. If you don't know, that's fine. And antigens bound to aluminum are taken up by macrophages. Correct? Speaker 0: Yes. Okay. Speaker 1: And macrophages Present the stuff they gobble up to the parts of the immune system that create antibodies. Correct? Speaker 0: I believe so. I don't I have not studied the actual mechanism of action. Speaker 1: And they also traveled to different parts of the body including the brains. Correct? Speaker 0: Correct? Speaker 1: And they'll deposit the materials they gobble up there. They didn't show that most package inserts for most vaccines report, encephalitis or encephalopathy as a reported adverse event from vaccination? Speaker 0: I would have to look at all the package inserts to be able to say yes or no to that. It is possible. Yes. Do any of the vaccines in the child who's had Speaker 1: will contain monkey kidney cells? Speaker 0: I do not know. Speaker 1: Blood serum from cows? Speaker 0: I do not know. Speaker 1: Do you need pig cell cultures? Speaker 0: I do not know. Speaker 1: Gelatin from pigs and cows? Speaker 0: I don't know. Speaker 1: MRC 5 human diploid cells? Speaker 0: MRC five through the diploid subject. Those are specifics that I typically to Speaker 1: the Are you aware that MRC 5 diploid cells are cells cultured from the lung tissue at a porta fetus? Speaker 0: I am aware that there are 2 vaccines out on the market. The MMR and the VCV that have, that use a cell in the production of it used a cell line, from aborted fetuses from 1962 and 1966. Those are the only to aborted fetus tissue cell lines that are used? Speaker 1: Isn't it true that there actually is recently been a new Cell line. Human cell line from a border fetal tissue that's been approved Speaker 0: for use in that case. I'm not aware of that. And none of those None of Speaker 1: the aborted fetal tissue culture cell lines actually end up in the vaccine product. Speaker 0: The vaccine doesn't have cells in it. Speaker 1: The cellular pieces from the aborted Speaker 0: That is potentially possible. Yes. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in fact there is More of that cellular debris in the MMR for example and there is actually antigen. Speaker 0: I don't know. Speaker 1: Okay. Isn't it true that, that the, Havrix hepatitis a vaccine Have they have they have they say vaccine contains millions of fragments of human DNA? Speaker 0: Possible? I don't know. Speaker 1: Doctor, isn't it true that the Varivax, the chickenpox vaccine contains approximately 1 trillion fragments of human DNA? Speaker 0: Again, if doctor Plotkin says it does, then I will agree. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that these 74 aborted fetuses Had almost every piece of their bodies including skin, tongue, and heart cut into little cubes to be used for culture. Speaker 0: I'm not aware of any studies that doctor Plotkin the specifics of any studies that doctor Plotkin did. Speaker 1: What principles Both and methods that you do rely upon in reaching your opinion regarding vaccine safety. Speaker 0: I use the, again, the recommendations of the CDC and the American, the, advisory committee on immunization practices and the American Academy of Pediatrics to make form an opinion about the vaccine safety? Speaker 1: So your basis so I'm gonna say the principle methods that you relied upon in reaching your opinion regarding Vaccine safety and vaccine efficacy are what the CDC recommends and And your claim that you've seen some people die of some diseases that for which there are vaccinations. Is that correct? Correct. That's the sum total. Right? Speaker 0: And the American Academy of Pediatrics recommendations. Speaker 1: K. Speaker 2: So when you're looking at a patient and making the Determination as to what vaccines they should receive. What family history factors are concerning to you? Speaker 0: One of the big family history factors that I would take into consideration is is there, a history of anybody who's immune suppressed? Speaker 1: Isn't it true that the only polio vaccine used in the United States is an activated polio vaccine which is injected muscle? Speaker 0: It's an inactivated poliovirus vaccine. Right. And it's injected in muscle tissue. Speaker 1: Correct. Okay. Versus what we used to be using Speaker 0: the bone. Actually, it's not into the muscle tissue. It's given sub q

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Under oath and clueless Part 2

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The fine people over at @HighWireTalk brought this to my attention as a follow up to the post I’ve included below. In this clip Dr. Teresa Holtrop, at the time the President of the Michigan AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) discusses her knowledge and understanding of childhood vaccines, the CDC’s recommended childhood vaccine schedule, and vaccine safety and policy in the U.S. Keep in mind she is an “expert witness”. This doesn’t exactly inspire confidence. I will be posting a longer portion of this cross-examination soon that was kindly provided to me by The High Wire so you can experience it for yourself.

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Speaker 0 admits to not knowing how vaccines are made more effective or having any knowledge about vaccine manufacturers. They also state that they are not aware of any other agencies involved in vaccination. When asked about the IOM (Institute of Medicine), Speaker 0 is not familiar with its recent name change or its purpose. They repeatedly emphasize that this is not their area of expertise and they cannot comment on it. Speaker 0 also mentions not knowing the exact numbers and being unreliable in the party for immunizations.
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Speaker 0: Because they make the vaccine more effective. Speaker 1: And how do they do that? Speaker 0: I don't know. I don't know off the top of my head now. I would say I don't know. I don't recall. I do not know anything about it. Speaker 1: Okay. So you don't you don't know the manufacturers for any of those things? Do you know anything about them? Speaker 0: No. I have no idea. I don't I'm not aware of that. I have no idea. I don't know. I I haven't looked at it. I don't know. I Don't know this for a fact. I have no specific knowledge of Speaker 1: Are there any other agencies that you're aware of under DHHS that are involved in Vaccination. Speaker 0: Not off the top of my head. I am not sure. No. That's Oh, I see what it says. I'm sorry. I would not know the specifics. Yeah. I don't know the details of that. What Speaker 1: do you understand IOM stands for? Speaker 0: The IOM Institute of Medicine. Speaker 1: Which recently changed its name. Right? Speaker 0: I have no idea. I'm not aware of that. Uh-huh. I'm not I'm not familiar with that. Okay. No. I am not familiar with it. I don't know. That's not my area of expertise. I have no idea if that's true or not. I wouldn't know. This is not my area of expertise. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I Don't know. Speaker 1: I don't know. Speaker 0: I I I don't know. I'm not aware of that now. I'm not aware of that. That's not my area of expertise. I cannot comment on that. Not my area of expertise. Are you familiar with the Institute of Madison at all? I'm familiar with it. Yes. Can you explain briefly what it is? I I can't. I I I'm not aware of that. I I don't know the exact numbers. Do you do Speaker 1: you consider yourself more reliable in the party Speaker 0: to take the whole hospital? On immunizations? Yes. No.

@JoshWalkos - Champagne Joshi

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@JoshWalkos - Champagne Joshi

Here it is, the full cross-examination of Dr. Teresa Holtrop who at the time was the President of the Michigan AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) , the states top Pediatrician. Aaron Siri [@AaronSiriSG] does a masterful job at exposing how little she actually knows about the products she recommends to families on a daily basis. Some Observations. - Watch her demeanor when he begins his questioning. She becomes very exasperated multiple times during the questioning. - She says “I don’t know” at least 42 times to questions she should know the answer to. - The arrogance is always there with her. Even when faced with information she should know. - The blind trust she exhibits in the CDC is disgraceful. She is clearly just a “yes man”. - It abundantly is clear she hasn’t really read the literature and that says a lot about the AAP’s decision to allow her to be President of the Michigan Chapter. I don’t know how anyone can watch this, even the proponents of the childhood schedule and come away confident in our public health institutions. The conflicts of interests Aaron covers with the AAP, CDC and medical journals do not phase her in the least and that is the core of this massive problem. It’s absolutely scandalous. Thank you to @HighWireTalk for sending this my way so I can highlight what the government and its industry “partners” undoubtedly want kept in the dark.

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In this video, the speakers cover a range of topics related to vaccines and vaccine safety. They discuss the reliability of various organizations as sources of vaccine information, including the CDC, FDA, and HHS, which Dr. Hochul considers trustworthy. The conversation also touches on the Institute of Medicine (IOM) and its publications, with Dr. Hochul admitting she does not rely on them for vaccine information. The speakers debate the efficacy and safety of vaccines, with one speaker relying on CDC recommendations and personal experiences, while the other questions the reliability of the information provided. They discuss the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and its limitations, as well as the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccine development and the presence of substances in vaccines. Dr. Holter explains the use of cell lines in vaccine manufacturing and clarifies that no new aborted cells are added. He also addresses concerns about aluminum in vaccines, stating that the amount ingested through diet is higher than what is received through vaccines. The importance of reporting adverse events to VAERS is emphasized, and the discussion concludes with considerations for vaccine recommendations based on family history factors and the differences between ingested and injected aluminum.
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Speaker 0: Good Morning doctor Hochul. Good morning. Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. What do you understand the CDC stand for? Speaker 2: The Center For Disease Control. Speaker 1: And do you consider its publications and website a reliable authority for information regarding vaccines? Speaker 2: I do. Speaker 1: And what do you understand the FDA's stand for? Speaker 2: The Food and Drug Administration. Speaker 1: Do you consider the FDA's Publications and website of reliable authority for information regarding vaccines? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: What do you understand HHS or DHHS to stand for? Speaker 2: Department of Health and Human Services. Speaker 1: And, do you consider the HHS's publications and its agencies to be reliable authorities with regard to vaccination? Speaker 2: Typically, yes. But they don't typically they they I'm sorry. The DHHS does not I mean, they do it through the CDC. Speaker 1: And and and they threw because CDC is an agency under Speaker 2: DHHS. Yes. Speaker 0: Are there Speaker 1: any other agencies under DHHS that are involved in vaccination that you're Speaker 2: well, there's the American the the the advisory committee on immunization practices which is an advisory committee to the CDC. Speaker 1: Okay. Are there any other agencies that you're aware of under DHHS that are involved in vaccination? Speaker 2: Not off the top of my head. Speaker 1: Are you aware of which agency within DHHS is responsible for licensing vaccines? Speaker 2: I believe it is the Food and Drug Administration. Speaker 1: Are you aware of which agencies responsible for administering the vaccine injury compensation program? Speaker 2: It's VAERS. Vaccine ad, it's it's it's an aid that's all I know is VAERS. Speaker 1: The name of the agency do you know the name of that agent? Speaker 2: I don't know off the top of my head. No. Speaker 1: What do you understand the IOM to stand for? Speaker 2: The IOM Institute of Medicine. Speaker 1: Which recently changed its name. Right? Speaker 2: I have no idea. Okay. Speaker 1: And are you are you familiar with the Institute of Medicine? Speaker 2: I am. Speaker 1: K. Do you consider the IOM's publications reliable authority Regarding vaccination? Speaker 2: There can sometimes be some difference of opinion between 1 in one authority and another. Speaker 1: Right. Right. I mean Speaker 2: It is not an institute that we go to for vaccine information. Speaker 1: So the Institute of Medicine, You're not aware of their prior publication regarding vaccination? Speaker 2: When I look for vaccine information In terms of safety and recommendations as to how to handle immunizations in children, I go to the CDC. Speaker 1: Okay. And and you said that experts can disagree. Surely they can. Experts who are reliable authorities On both sides of an issue can certainly disagree at times. Correct? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Yes. But, that doesn't make either one not a reliable Authority on an issue. Right? Speaker 0: Who would object? She's already answered about the IOM. He's trying to get her to say that it's a reliable authority to impeach her with her Run it. She's coaching Speaker 1: the witness. Sir. Completely inappropriate, your honor. He's just answered the question. Inappropriate to coach the Completely inappropriate, your honor. Speaker 0: He's just answered the question. Speaker 1: Completely inappropriate to coach the witness Okay. In our objection. Speaker 0: Alright. Stop. Your objection is what? That he's tracked she's asked the answer. She's answered the question as to how she feels about the Institute of Medicine and whether I I don't think she did answer that. I'm gonna Overruled. So ask the question, please. And You've made your record Speaker 1: respectfully request that speaking objections that coach witness or not? Speaker 0: I will rule on the objection as they as they appear. Thank you, your honor. Speaker 1: So, we we were at we were talking about whether or not reasonable experts experts who are in the field can disagree about things. Right? Speaker 0: Is that a yes or no? Speaker 2: Yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Speaker 1: And the Institute of Medicine is comprised of leaders in their respective fields, in medicine. Right? Including Nobel Prize winners? Speaker 2: I have not studied the Institute of Medicine. It is not a source that I go to for information around immunizations. Speaker 1: Would you consider it a reliable authority though? Speaker 2: I would say I don't know. Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself a reliable authority to help the whole child? Speaker 2: On immunizations? Yes. No. I go and ask I look for information from others as to what to do and that is what we are taught to do in pediatrics. Okay. Speaker 1: And and and so who do you look to for information regarding immunization? Speaker 2: The Center For Disease Control and the ACIP. Speaker 1: The Advisory Committee Immunization Practices? Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 1: And those are the only authority that you rely upon? Speaker 2: For this information, yes. Speaker 1: And And you wouldn't consider any other governmental or non governmental organization that studies this topic to be a reliable authority? Speaker 2: I guess the answer is no. Speaker 1: You know or you don't know? Speaker 2: The answer is no. I I'm not sure where you're Speaker 0: going with this. If I had Speaker 2: a better sense of what you're trying to Speaker 1: I'm just asking you to answer truthfully and understand Speaker 0: how to answer. Yes, no, or you don't know? No. Okay. No. Speaker 2: I would not go anywhere else. Speaker 1: Would your answer change Based on whether where you knew I was going with this, would that cancer Speaker 2: So here's here's my thought process. If the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services came along and said such and such is happening around this and this vaccine, I would certainly pay attention to what they are saying and probably follow their guidelines. On the assumption that they are following recommendations from the CDC and and the, advisory committee on immunization practices. I admit I'm making an assumption here that MDHHS is trustworthy in that. Speaker 1: Right. Because and they're relying on what CDC and ACIP are deciding. Correct. Speaker 0: Okay. Speaker 1: What is the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986? Speaker 2: It is the the act that established an entity to which, reports could be made about ad vaccine related, adverse events. Speaker 1: And and it's also the act that granted vaccine manufactured immunity from liability for Correct. Injuries caused by vaccines. Correct? Speaker 0: Correct. Speaker 1: When you serve with the subpoena, to appear in a deposition in this case in February 6, 2018 I'm Speaker 0: going to object. The court's already ruled on It is on the permissibility of the deposition whether or not she's been served with a subpoena is completely inappropriate. Oh, how was that? Ask about that. Speaker 1: I just wanna establish that she wasn't disposed. You deposed can I just ask you who's opposing the case? Speaker 0: Sure. That's all I'll ask. Sure. Speaker 1: Were you deposed in this case? Speaker 2: No. Okay. Thanks. Speaker 1: Did you discuss your anticipated test anticipated testimony today with anybody? Speaker 2: With, Laura, I need, You I can never pronounce your name. With the attorney. Newsma. Speaker 1: Anybody else? Speaker 2: No. Speaker 1: How did you first learn about this lawsuit? Speaker 2: So the American Academy of Pediatrics is broken up into districts and we are part of district 5. It was the chair of district 5 who sent an email to, several of us at the MIAAP key talking about the fact that there is a case and could somebody help out. As it turned out it happened to be in the area that I live in. And since I do have some, experience in the area of immunizations, I volunteered. Speaker 0: Don't don't say where you live. Okay. Speaker 1: And, And who sent that that email from AAT? Speaker 2: Doctor Rick Tuck. Speaker 1: Okay. And and what what did What was your understanding of who is specifically, asking for? Speaker 2: Somebody to assistance for somebody to be able to, Testify on behalf of the importance of immunizations in childhood. Speaker 1: Okay. So after you got that email, what's the next step you talked in order. Speaker 0: Counsel, can you just speak up a little bit please? Sure. Speaker 2: Thank you. Speaker 1: Well well, after you receive that email what's the next step you took that led you toward being here today on the stand? Speaker 2: I actually contacted some colleagues of mine to see if there were was anybody within the infectious disease world of those that I knew who might be interested in in, testifying. Speaker 1: And who did you contact? Speaker 2: I contacted Doctor. Eric McGrath, Doctor. Bassim Osmar. Trying to think who else. I think those were the 2 primary ones. Speaker 1: Anybody else you remember? Speaker 2: Not that I remember right now. Speaker 1: And and do you understand why they didn't wanna testify or did Speaker 2: We never discussed it. We just said no. Speaker 1: Understood. So after that, what's the next step that you took in order to become an expert in this case? Did you did you reach out to somebody to say, hey. I'm willing to be an expert. What is it that you did next? Speaker 2: I did. Speaker 1: Okay. And Speaker 0: who to Speaker 2: whom's that? Contacted the lawyer form like Schmidt. Speaker 1: Directly. Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember exactly the process and I don't recall whether it was directly to the lawyer or whether it was to Mike Schmidt To himself. Speaker 1: That's great. And and how did you get that information? Speaker 2: It was passed on to me through, doctor Rick Tuck. Speaker 1: Oh oh, from the American Academy of Pediatrics. Speaker 0: Okay. Is that a yes? Speaker 2: Yes. I'm sorry. Speaker 0: It's okay. Speaker 1: Did you review any documents prepared to testify today? Speaker 2: I reviewed the documents about, the CDC recommendations, the ACIP schedule of immunizations, the VIS sheets, and the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services information that had been sent to me in February from the folks at MDHHS, which I received without having requested it. Speaker 1: And those are the only documents you reviewed hard to take. Correct? Speaker 2: Mhmm. Speaker 1: You've never seen any of Faith's medical records. Correct? Speaker 2: No. I have never seen any of her medical records. Speaker 1: And you don't know anything about her medical history. Speaker 2: I do not know anything about her medical condition. Speaker 1: Now, earlier I believe, You were being asked about what you would do to vaccinate a 2a half year old child who received no vaccines. Correct? Speaker 0: Mhmm. Speaker 1: Can we go through what vaccines you would recommend? Speaker 0: Remember to leave. Keep your voice up. Speaker 1: Thank you, your honor. It Speaker 0: might be better if you if you work from the podium because the mic is closer but It's up to you. That's great. Speaker 1: Let's, if you could kindly, Doctor Haltrow, list the vaccines that you believe a 2a half year old child should receive? Speaker 2: If a 2a half year old child has not received any previous immunizations, She would be due for the DTAP, polio, hepatitis b, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox vaccine, pneumococcal vaccine, haemophilus influenza type The vaccine. Hepatitis a. Did I say hepatitis b already? Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 2: I I have to write it down in order to not miss anything. Speaker 1: You know what? I think we can help with that. Why don't we I think we can put a demonstrative out so we Lay out all of the vaccines just so we can keep track of them as we go forward. Speaker 0: We don't really If you wanna do that, you can set that up at some other time, but I just want you to proceed. Yeah. I'll I don't wanna break for this. Speaker 1: I won't break for that at all, Donna. I'll just keep going. So okay. So, hepatitis a? Yes. Any others? Speaker 2: Hepatitis a, hepatitis b. Uh-huh. Chicken pox vaccine, which is the VZV. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: MMR. Speaker 0: Uh-huh. Speaker 2: DTAP. Yep. Polio, hid, pneumococcal vaccine Do I have them all? I think I have them all. Thank you. Speaker 1: Well, we're going over the same ones. I think you did. Okay. Great. And then can you tell me the number, of doses for DTaP? Speaker 2: Well, at two and a half years of age, if she's never gotten another, a previous Michael Cherny. Speaker 1: We Why Speaker 0: would you why why do you wanna put it right here? Speaker 1: They're not there. Speaker 0: I'm sorry. How many? DTEF? Speaker 2: For in order to be fully immunized she will need a total of, Three doses at this age. Okay. Speaker 1: And how many doses of polio? Speaker 2: She will need a total of It depends a little bit. There's a delayed immunization schedule and it would be a wise idea to look at that to be sure. Juana, normally she would've gotten 3 doses by now with a 4th dose after the 4th birthday. If there is By the time they get to their 4th birthday, if they haven't gotten the first 3, then sometimes they get by with 2 before. It gets really How are 3? It's you should have gotten 3 of that baby. 3. Speaker 1: And Hep D? Speaker 2: Hep D, she needs to have had 3. MMR? Speaker 0: She will Speaker 2: have gotten 1 and she will get get her 2nd one, after the 4th birthday. Although it can be given earlier. Speaker 1: Chicken packs? Speaker 2: Chicken packs the same thing. Speaker 1: Mendedococcal, which would be PCV 13? Would that be the same? Speaker 2: No. It's not the same thing. PCV 13 is the pneumococcal AQUA vaccine. And again that 1, I double checked because there is a difference depending on what age you get it. The Hib I always think of it as the same as the Hib vaccine. The Hib vaccine, if she has not gotten a previous dose of it and she's now over 15 months of age, she only needs one. If I'm not mistaken, the same is true for the pneumococcal vaccine. I always double check myself on that because it has gotten so complicated. Speaker 1: It's So one for you and Coppell? Speaker 2: I believe so. And one for him. Speaker 1: And and and you believe she one for him. Speaker 2: Yes. I know one for him. She should have 2. 6 months apart. Speaker 1: And hepatitis b? Speaker 2: She should have 3. They're given the first one, the next one is a month later, and the next 1 is 6 months after the first one. And PCV 13? PCV 13 is like the hip. That's the pneumococcal vaccine. So one I believe it's just 1 shot that she needs. That's the one I would need to double check on. Speaker 1: Can you tell me the, and and you've administered all of these hundreds of times. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And and they all come in packaging I assume? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And there's a product insert inside the packaging? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And then the name of the product that's on the box? Correct. And the manufacturers on the box. Speaker 2: And the lot number. Speaker 1: And the lot number. And you record that information? Speaker 2: Absolutely. Speaker 1: Right. Who so, can you tell me, the Can you please take a look at this cut out of a child? And can you tell me if this looks approximately the size of a 2 and a half year old child? Speaker 2: It does. Speaker 1: So, for the, hepatitis, B vaccine, you indicated that there's 3 doses. Can you tell me the brand names and the Speaker 2: I can't tell you the man manufacturer. And It depends on which again this is not something that I look at all that closely because I use whatever we are provided with By the vaccine for, the VFC program primarily. Speaker 1: Vaccines are products. Right? Speaker 2: The vaccine product. Yeah. I mean, there's Speaker 0: Go ahead, miss Sarah. Speaker 2: We we receive the package of the package of vaccines from the CDC's distribution site. And that's what I will use. I don't bother to try and memorize the vaccine manufacturer. Speaker 1: Okay. So you don't you don't know the manufacturers for any of the vaccines? Speaker 0: She doesn't have it memorized. Speaker 2: I don't have it memorized. That's right. I'm not sure what The need for that is Okay. Speaker 0: So you've asked for that. No. Know that. Speaker 1: And and do you know the the product names for any of them? Speaker 2: Some of them. Yeah. Speaker 1: Okay. Which ones do you know? Speaker 2: Pediarix is a combination vaccine. For Hepatitis B I want to say there's Engerix. But again, this is not something that I spend a lot of time trying to memorize because it's pointless. Speaker 1: Doesn't matter who manufacture. Speaker 2: It doesn't. Speaker 0: What what do we The Speaker 2: original exhibits, Ron, are those Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Are those still in there? Speaker 0: I I don't know where your exhibits are. Okay. Speaker 1: May I approach with this Shawn or hander will has been previous address is the 2 u u? Yes. Thank you, Speaker 0: Excuse me. The exhibits were left here on on the clerk's chair from the last time The one that you left here. My copies. No. The witness's copies. I I don't know. That's true. I I don't know. Okay. I approach it. Mhmm. This is her. Speaker 1: Have you seen this document before, doctor Hultraub? Speaker 2: I have seen similar documents, not this particular one. Speaker 1: Do you see that it provides that it's from the Centers For Disease Control? Speaker 2: I see that. Yes. Speaker 1: And you see that it lists each vaccine including by manufacturer and product names? Speaker 2: Yes. I see that. Speaker 1: Great. For the hepatitis b vaccine which I believe you indicated, they've you indicated that a child of two and a half should receive 3 doses. Do you see who the manufacturers are? Speaker 2: It says GlaxoSmithKline and Merck. They're 2 different manufacturers. Speaker 1: Okay. And and who, and what is the product name for the Merck product? Speaker 2: It's Recombivax HB. Speaker 1: And for The GSA? Engerix B. So, So, we're and where would you where would you approximately where would you, give these 3 back doses to the child. Speaker 0: So first of all, relevance of where she would administer the dosage. Her expertise in where vaccines are administered is not A question for the court today? Speaker 1: Your honor, she she she testified as to vaccine safety. This is all leading up to safety, your honor. She had testified about adverse reactions. You testified that the child she's who said herself 6 Speaker 0: I'll allow it. Go ahead. Speaker 1: I mean Speaker 2: Overrule. She would not get 6 are 3 doses of hepatitis b on the same day. Speaker 1: Right. You have to you would space them out over a period of time. Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Absolutely. And over time though, But you would recommend they receive 3 injections of 3 doses of hepatitis b. Correct? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Okay. And, would it be? Okay. And and these so hepatitis b, this I'm just I wanna keep track of all of that Okay. That we're gonna talk about. This way, you you know, this way, you don't you said before you can't keep track. We'll just we'll put them all up. And this way as we go through this, we can point to this and we can go make sure we cover each one because each of these are separate product. Correct? Speaker 0: Correct. Speaker 1: Each of them have different ingredients. Correct? Correct. Each of them have different contraindications. Correct? Speaker 2: Overall, yes. Speaker 1: Okay. Each of them have a different, have different effects on the body, correct? Speaker 2: I would say Probably not that much different. Speaker 1: Okay. We'll go through that. Great. So, we'll put up the 3, hepatitis B's and then I believe you said for DTaP. You said, Doesn't matter. Arms, legs. That's where they would normally administer it. Right? Arms and legs, Doctor. Holteroff? Speaker 2: Certainly not down there. Speaker 0: Well, why don't we why don't we say Speaker 2: It is administered in the deltoid. Up here. Okay. There you go. Speaker 1: Okay. And, 3 doses of DTaP. Right? Speaker 2: Excuse me. If you're asking me what I would give on a given day, I don't think it is correct to put up 3 different doses of hepatitis B. I agree. Speaker 0: I am not I mean, I I know it's for a fact but it's it's not gonna help me. It's only gonna mean to confuse. She doesn't support giving a child revaccinations of the same Speaker 1: I'm not asking about that at all. Speaker 0: Okay. So Speaker 1: I'm asking just wanna understand the total number of doses that she's saying the 2 and a half year old child has received so we can represent We Speaker 0: have established that Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 0: Already. And you're asking to do the demonstrative. Speaker 1: So we can keep track as we go along. Speaker 0: Well, no. I think what you're trying to do is put a bunch of stickers up there to show me how many in total. You don't need to do that. And So what she's saying is she wouldn't do it all at once. So put 1 up there. How's that? Then if you wanna do 3 different Times of how many she'll receive each time, that would that's that's fine. Sure. I I don't think you need that. But if that's important to you, then you go ahead and do That Speaker 1: we just do it like that. You're on us. We know that Speaker 0: we can keep track of this 3 doses at the time. You put 1 up there at once because that's what she's testifying. Sure. That's what she's comfortable with. And you're using her her testimony to do to your your display. Speaker 1: She said that the child received 3 HEPAV doses are on. Speaker 0: Not at once. Speaker 1: I'm is not well, we obviously can't put them all in the same spot. Speaker 0: You're right. Speaker 1: So and and it's not supposed to represent at one time. I'm I'm making explicitly clear this is not about one Fine. This is just so we can keep track of all doses that she believes a 2a half year old should receive Could be over you know, it's probably gonna take what Speaker 0: I I'm not gonna argue with you anymore about this. Speaker 1: Yes, your honor. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Speaker 2: I have a suggestion. Speaker 1: Oh, wonderful. Speaker 2: Because it'll be impressive enough. The fact that this child has not gotten any immunizations previously Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 2: Means this poor child will have to be tortured with 6 different injections at the same time. And if you would like to put those 6 up At the one visit, at her 1st visit to get all these immunizations, I'm happy to do that. Speaker 1: Doctor Voltra, at 2 months of age, how many injections does a child Speaker 2: Typically if we use a combination vaccine it is typically the DTaP polio hepatitis B, Then it is the pneumococcal and it is you usually can get by with 3. And then the oral, rotavirus. Speaker 1: And why can't you use the combination vaccine in this situation, doctor Paul? Speaker 2: You can't. Speaker 0: I'm saying with Stop. Stop. Stop. When I talk, everyone has to Everyone has to stop talking. Counsel, you can't lean down, crouch down with your voice directed towards the boss and expect it to be on the phone. Speaker 1: Thank you. And why can't you use a combination vaccine in this instance? Speaker 2: You can use a combination vaccine. I am telling you that if you use a combination, the combination vaccines that are available she will still need 6 immunizations all at once. Speaker 1: Okay. And what would those 6 be all at once? Speaker 2: It would be a combination of the DTAP polio hepatitis b if you wanted to use that one. There's another another combination one that you could also use. It would be the measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox vaccine. That is a combination one. Speaker 1: MMRV. Right? Speaker 2: MMRV. K. And that is it in terms of combination vaccines that are available. Speaker 1: And then what would the other 4 be that you need to receive? Speaker 2: She will need the, pneumococcal. She will need the Kib unless she uses a different, a a so backtrack a little bit. There is a combination which is DTaP polio and hepatitis b. There is also Pentacel which is DTaP polio and hip. In which case you would have to give the hepatitis b separately. Mhmm. There is a combination hepatitis a and b called Twinrix. So if you had that available, the problem is you can't use that until age 18. So we haven't used that. So your hepatitis a is separate. Your pneumococcal is separate. Your HIB is potentially separate. If not the HIB, then the hepatitis b is separate. Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's 5 shots. Right? Speaker 2: What am I leaving out? Oh, the flu vaccine. Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's going to be fine. And Okay. So a child, who goes in for their Six one shot. Which of these would they not need to receive? Speaker 2: It it depends completely on which one of these combination vaccines he or she received in the first, Speaker 0: Wait. Adam. There might be a better way to say it. Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll rephrase. Speaker 0: Okay. I'll rephrase Speaker 1: it on. Speaker 0: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Speaker 1: A child at their 6 month shop, They would receive DTaP. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: They would receive polio? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Hep B? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Pneumococcal? Yes. Pib? Speaker 2: It depends. It depends on the product that was used in the 1st 2 sessions. Speaker 1: Same same issue with catching up 2a half row. Right. Same same. Same choice. Speaker 2: Same choice. Yeah. In this case, yes. And Well, no. No. Remember if she's over 15 months then she only needs 1 dose of Hib and she needs 1 dose of pneumococcal vaccine. So it'll be less. Speaker 1: And and hepatitis a At 6 months? Speaker 2: At 6 months after the first if she well, wait a minute. At 6 months old, you don't get the hepatitis a. You get it at 12 months. Speaker 1: Okay. So it's so 6 vaccines at two and a half is torture. And at Excuse me. At two and a half years of age, you're saying getting 6 vaccines is torture, but a 6 month old would have to receive. We just counted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 vaccines. Correct? Speaker 2: That's not Sir, you have me so confused at this point. Speaker 0: Hold on. Are we talking about pokes or vaccines? Some of them are combinations. Speaker 1: Think we're talking about injections. Number of actual injections. Speaker 0: Right. So she's saying your testimony was you think it's torture to do that to 2a half year old to have 6 different injections at once. Speaker 2: It is a balance between whether you do it and cause the pain versus you don't do it and then put this child at risk. And typically we will go ahead and do it and I have done it. Okay. Speaker 1: And how many Hoax, would there be at 6 months of age in a routine checkup during flu season? Speaker 2: In a routine 6 month old. Okay. Depending on how many what product they got in the at the 2 month and at the 4 month visit. It it isn't relevant for this child. Speaker 1: I'm asking how many folks doctor Haltrow? Speaker 2: It depends on whether she got the combination that had the HIB in it, that isn't required at 6 months or she got the one that is required at 6 months. There are 2 different hid products. And one of them is given the is given at 2 months, 4 months, and then at, 12 months. And whereas the other 2 products are given at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months and then at 12 to 15 months. Speaker 1: So how many folks doctor Holter up at 6 months? Either 2 or 3. And what would the 3 be? Speaker 0: She just testified to that. Speaker 1: I I I'm I'm not clear what the 3 would be. Speaker 0: I know. And it's because you're talking to your co counsel and getting other things out of boxes. So if she states it one more time, please write it down and listen to it so we don't have to do this over and over. Speaker 2: Okay. On the assumption that at 2 months and at 4 months she received the Pediarix vaccine, which is the DTAP, hepatitis b and polio. She would then at the 2 month visit also have received the, pneumococcal vaccine as well as the Hib vaccine, and the oral, Rotavirus vaccine. But we can skip the oral one because that's not necessary. At 4 months, she would have gotten d t a she would have gotten the Pediarix again even though the hepatitis b is not needed. Since she started with the pediatrics, we would have given the pediatrics at the 4 month visit. So she would get the same thing all over again. And then if she If the the Hib vaccine that she received at 2 months and at 4 months was the PBX, At the 6 month visit she would get the Pediarix, DTaP, hepatitis b, and polio. She would get the, the pneumococcal vaccine and that would be it. If it was in season. Correct. And that's the earliest that she can get the flu vaccine at 6 months. Speaker 1: Who manufactures the, DTaP vaccine? Speaker 2: Well, if you're looking at the combination vaccine, one of them is made by GlaxoSmithKline, another one of them is made by Sanofi. Speaker 1: And who manufactured the vaccine? Speaker 2: Hold on a minute. Okay. Yeah. And those and there are 2 versions of the DTaP That's not a combination vaccine. 1 made by Sanofi and the other one by GlaxoSmithKline. Hib is made by Sanofi, GlaxoSmithKline and then Merck makes the one that's the The where you only need the 2 doses in the 1st 6 months. Speaker 1: And who makes PCD 13? PCD 13 is made by, Speaker 2: Pfizer. Speaker 1: And the, inactivated polio vaccine, who manufactures that? Speaker 2: Sanofi. Speaker 1: And who manufactures a flu vaccine that would be appropriate for a 2 year old to receive? Speaker 2: Okay. So the one that is appropriate There's one put out by GlaxoSmithKline. There's one put out by Sanofi. Speaker 1: And the MMR vaccine, he manufactured that? Where? He manufactures the varicella vaccines? Speaker 2: Work. He Speaker 1: manufactures the hepatitis a vaccines. Speaker 2: There's 1 put out by, GlaxoSmithKline and another one put out by Merck. Speaker 1: Is it okay if we refer to GlaxoSmithKline as GSK today? Correct. Great. Speaker 2: Yeah. That's right. Speaker 1: So every vaccine that the CDC every vaccine that that the CDC recommends that you're saying a 2 and a half year old should be administered, was produced by either Merck, Sanofi, GSK, or Pfizer. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And the number of vaccines recommended for children of age 2 has more than doubled since 19 eighties. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: K. Are you aware that Merck's total revenue from vaccine sales in 2016 was over $5,700,000,000? No. Are you aware that Sanofi's total revenue for vaccine sales in 2016 was over $4,500,000,000? No. Are you aware that GSK's total revenue from vaccine sales in 2016 was over $6,400,000,000? No. Are you aware that Pfizer's total revenue from vaccine sales in 2016 was over $6,000,000,000? Speaker 0: No. Speaker 1: Are you familiar with doctor Stanley Plotkin? Speaker 2: I've heard the name. Yes. Speaker 1: Yeah. How are you familiar with him? Speaker 2: He's He's mentioned in vaccine literature. Speaker 1: What literature is that? Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, he is a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics and has done stuff. I I I know the name. Do you know anything about him? No. Speaker 1: Okay. Were you aware that he was deposed as an expert for defending this action? Speaker 2: No. Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the textbooks used in medical schools regarding vaccines? Speaker 2: There is no one textbook used in medical school for vaccines. Speaker 1: Okay. What are the what are the various test vaccines used? Speaker 2: Currently in medical school what is used is basically resources that are published online by reputable sources. It's not a So Speaker 1: I'm just talking about multiple text books. Is there is there a text book regarding vaccinology that you're aware of? Speaker 2: What I'm saying is there is not 1 text book that we ever used in medical school when I was in medical school, and now even more so, folks aren't using textbooks and many of us have actually gotten rid of text because it is primarily stuff that is available online. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that the American Academy of Pediatrics Sees. I'm realizing by 1,000,000 of dollars of donations from pharmaceutical companies including Pfizer, Merck, Glaxo, The TSK and Sanofi. Speaker 2: What I can tell you is that the American Academy of Pediatrics very carefully reviews whether the donations that they receive from any source as to potential conflicts of interest. Speaker 1: Do you wanna move to strike the answer non responsive? Speaker 0: Can I'm not gonna strike the answer. Speaker 1: Okay. It it I'll ask it again. Isn't it true that the AAP receives the American Academy of National Proceedings of the Alliance upon 1,000,000 of dollars of donations from pharmaceutical Companies including the 4 major vaccine manufacturers that we just went through. Speaker 2: I have no idea. Speaker 1: Would you consider information on the American American Academy of Pediatrics website to be a reliable authority? Speaker 2: I do. Speaker 1: And would you consider the a, The annual American Academy of Pediatrics giving report to be an available authority. Speaker 2: Are you referring to their form 990? Speaker 1: He said that their publications are allowed authority. So, your honor, May I approach? Speaker 0: Well, she asked you a question to try to clear up what your question was. So I Doctor Holteroff, what was that? Speaker 2: Are you referring to their form 990? Speaker 1: No. I'm not. I'm referring to a document called stepping forward two thousand 16th annual giving report, American Academy of Pediatrics. Speaker 2: I haven't looked at it. Speaker 1: K. Well, you would consider if it was published by the American Academy of Pediatrics, you would consider it a reliable authority? Speaker 2: I would. Speaker 1: Madam Clerk, Rona? Yes. Thank you. Could you please turn to the 2nd to last page? 2nd oh. Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Oh, the Speaker 1: 10th time, please. Speaker 2: Yes. Go ahead. Speaker 1: Let me know when you're at the second the last page. Okay. Okay. Thank you. In the 1st column, which list the largest corporate and foundation given, Foundation donors. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Do you see any vaccine any companies listed there that or or foundations that either manufacture vaccines or promote vaccination. Speaker 2: Merck is listed. Pfizer is listed. Speaker 1: Are you are you aware that Nestle? Speaker 2: Sanofi is listed. Speaker 1: Are you aware that AstraZeneca is involved in that vaccine development? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: And Johnson and Johnson is attempting to Speaker 2: I don't I'm not aware Speaker 1: of that. I don't know. And and foundations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, they're also involved in promoting vaccines. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And the Connerty and Hilton Foundation? Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with the foundation but that's possible. Speaker 1: And and Nestle Nutrition is also involved in promoting vaccines. Correct? Vaccination? Speaker 2: I think of them more as a nutritional company. Speaker 1: Mostly, I think. Yes. Okay. Do you do you see any companies in that column called the Vaccine Choice Coalition? Speaker 2: I do not see it. No. Speaker 1: How about, how about, do you see the physicians for informed consent listed? Speaker 2: No. Speaker 1: How about the Vaccine Injury Bar Association? Are they listed? No. Isn't it true that a significant portion of the American Medical Associations revenue also comes from pharmaceutical companies? Speaker 2: I have I have no idea. Speaker 1: The American Medical Academy publishes numerous journals. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Okay. Over a dozen journals. Does that sound about right to you? Speaker 2: I don't know. Speaker 1: Okay. Are you aware that pharmaceutical companies are the primary advertisers in those journals? Speaker 2: I haven't looked at it. I could see that it might be true. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that journal revenue from pharmaceutical companies is nearly double the amount the American Academy of PDP American Medical Association collects in membership dues? Speaker 2: I don't know. Speaker 1: Okay. Can you name me a single group involved with promoting vaccines that does not receive any funding from any pharmaceutical company? Speaker 2: A single group that is involved in promoting vaccine that is not well, Southeast Michigan for, health association. They're involved in in trying to promote immunizations in Southeast Michigan and do not receive any donations from a pharmaceutical company? Speaker 0: What's the name of Speaker 1: the association? Speaker 2: SEMHA. Southeast Michigan Health Association. They happen to be our fiduciary for the Wayne Children's Healthcare Access Program. Speaker 1: Do you need any other group that You that you're aware of that does not receive any funding from pharmaceutical companies? Speaker 2: I don't know this for a fact but I would think that the Michigan Department of Health Human services does not receive, donations from pharmaceutical companies? Speaker 1: Do these organizations receive money from the Centers For Disease Control? Speaker 2: They do. Are Speaker 1: you aware that the Centers For Disease Control receives money directly and indirectly from pharmaceutical companies? Speaker 2: I am not. I'm not Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Speaker 0: I didn't Speaker 2: I'm not involved in that. I wouldn't know. Speaker 1: So they may receive money from Speaker 2: I don't know. Speaker 1: Which you don't know. Speaker 2: I don't know. Speaker 0: She doesn't know. Speaker 1: Right. I'm just I just wanna make sure. Yes. Speaker 0: I need to clear. He does not know. Speaker 1: Illnesses, behaviors, or behaviors, Make her more likely to develop ITPRA from vaccination? Speaker 2: As I have said, I have not I have no specific knowledge of faith. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that the rate of autoimmune disease, chronic illness and developmental delay in children has gone from 12.8% of children in 1986 to 54% of the children in 2011. Speaker 0: Going to object, He is some man to lead a witness on an adverse witness, but at this point he's testifying, not asking her a question. It's overruled. You answered the question. Are you aware of that? Speaker 2: I'm aware that the numbers that are reported nowadays are higher than they used to be. Speaker 1: Is it true that the rate of chronic illness on excuse me. Is it true that the rate of developmental delay among children today is approximately 15 to 18% of the children. Speaker 2: It is true that we are now more aware of developmental delays than we were in the past because we are looking for them. Mhmm. Thank you. Speaker 1: The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services puts out an annual report of the number of so called vaccine preventable diseases. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Okay. The last years in which they have issue these reports is in 2016 and 2015. Correct? Speaker 2: I have reports from them from 2017. Speaker 1: You do? Yes. Speaker 2: Do you Speaker 1: have them here today with you? Speaker 2: That is what I, what we were talking about yesterday. Speaker 1: They're not yet available on the website though. Right? Speaker 2: I believe not. Okay. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that there have been no cases of polio in the last, 3 years in Michigan? I believe that's true. Okay. Isn't it true that there have been no case the diphtheria in the last 3 years. Speaker 2: I believe that is true. Speaker 1: Okay. There have been no cases of rubella? Speaker 2: I am not sure that I believe there have been cases. Speaker 1: Do you have 1? Okay. Well, the only thing available on the Speaker 0: Michigan Power Club website is the 2016, 2015. So, let me ask Speaker 1: you about those. Have there been any cases of rubella in 2016 and 2015 in Michigan? Speaker 2: It's I'm sorry. I Would not know those specifics for those years. Speaker 1: May I approach Ron? These are the summary reports issued by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, correct? Regarding, the rate of vaccine preventable disease in Michigan? Speaker 2: That is the title on these sheets. Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Thank you. Do you have any reason to doubt these are not from the Michigan Department of Public News? Speaker 2: I do not. Speaker 1: Can you go to the last page of the 2016 report which Just the 2nd Speaker 0: page. Speaker 1: Do you see in the 1st row, we did list the number of cases of congenital rubella? Yes. What number does it provide for 2016? Speaker 2: For 2016, it says 0. Speaker 1: And for two thousand Fifteen? Speaker 2: It says 0. Speaker 1: How many, isn't it true that there were 0 cases of HIB reported in 2015 2016? Speaker 2: Actually that's not. No. That's oh, I see what it says. It has 17 cases of Haemophilus influenza but zero of the p. Speaker 1: Right. And the vaccine only protects against the serotet b. Correct? Okay. So there were 0 cases of HIB, right, which is hemophilicic cleanser b In 2016 and 2015. Correct? Speaker 2: That is correct. That is not true for 2017 though. But it's not on here. Speaker 1: That's not you know, that's Apparently available to you but not to the public yet. And how many cases were there? Speaker 2: Of what? Speaker 1: Of COVID in 2017? 0. Okay. Isn't it true that those reports showed only one case of tetanus in an adult male The 2015, 2016? Speaker 2: It reports one case. Speaker 1: Right. And if you look right up the page under tetanus, It says the patient was an adult male. Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that that the report showed only 2 cases of measles In 2015 and 2016? Speaker 2: That is correct. Okay. Speaker 1: And both both were in adults. It's in the summary description. Accept what you say. Isn't it true that those reports showed, 8 or less cases, per year of meningococcal? Speaker 2: It says there are a total of 14 cases of meningococcal disease between 2016 and 2015. Speaker 1: Right. Six cases in 2016, right? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And 8 in 2015. Speaker 2: Correct. Okay. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that those reports showed a few dozen cases in months In 2015 and 2016. Speaker 2: It shows 38 cases of suspected mumps in 2016 and 18 cases of mumps in 2015. Speaker 1: Right. They're not all laboratory Speaker 2: Include suspect. Speaker 0: Correct. Isn't it true that Speaker 1: the mumps vaccine is known to have efficacy issues and that the and that they're working on creating a better version that's not doesn't have same efficacy issues. Speaker 2: I know that they have just made a recommendation to give a third dose of the MMR in certain situations. Speaker 0: Is that a yes to my question? Speaker 2: The answer is that there I know that there are issues with the efficacy of the MMR for which reason they have rec made a change in the recommendation as to the as to the dosing, how many doses you should get. Okay. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that those, the the report that you're looking at showed a few 100 cases of pertusses each year because the FDA but but the FDA has concluded the vaccine has efficacy issues. Right? Speaker 2: Actually, I would disagree with that conclusion that you are suggesting the, rise in pertussis cases is attributed in general to a drop in, immunization rates. Speaker 1: Doctor. Plotkin said that it was primarily attributable to efficacy issues and that he was personally working On creating a better pertussis vaccine, would you disagree with that? Speaker 2: I cannot comment on doctor Plotkin's testimony. Speaker 1: But would you disagree if he testify Speaker 2: I I cannot comment on his testimony. Speaker 1: Would you disagree yes or no? Speaker 0: You you she's answered. Okay. Speaker 1: Has there ever been a study which looked at the total health outcomes of children following the CDC's vaccination schedule and Those that are completely unvaccinated such as vaping. Speaker 2: Has there ever been a study that has looked at the outcome of those immunized versus those not immunized. I do know that there has been a large study done in another country looking at those who have been immunized against MMR versus those who have not been immunized against MMR. Speaker 1: But with those who are not immunizing SMR, were they otherwise not vaccinated? Meaning, did they not receive any other vaccines? Speaker 2: That was not part of the study. Speaker 1: That's right. So as far as you know, there's never been a study that's actually looked at total health outcomes between fully vaccinated children and children such as face that are vaccinated, correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: If the court orders Faith to be vaccinated and she has a seizure, develops an autoimmune disease, or has some other adverse reaction, Do you think the pediatrician should Speaker 0: have the discretion to stop the vaccinating faith? Speaker 2: If if she has Speaker 1: Can you Speaker 0: repeat the Speaker 1: question? Absolutely. If the court orders fate to be vaccinated and she has a seizure, develops an autoimmune issue, or has some other adverse reaction, do you think the pediatrician should have the discretion stop vaccinating vaping? Speaker 2: The question is a little bit too broad because it may depend on which of the vaccines administered is, can be attributed to having caused the problem. And if it is a seizure, the question becomes as to whether it was a febrile seizure, which is considered to be benign And it's not a contraindication to giving further immunizations. Speaker 1: It's complicated. Right? Speaker 2: It's very complicated. Speaker 1: Do you think that probably the pediatrician should have discretion. Right? Speaker 2: I think there are What's that? Speaker 0: Yes. You're asking her whether she thinks the court should decide her the pediatrician? Speaker 1: No. No. The pediatrician should be able to have discretion to stop vaccinating. Speaker 0: And what does the court have to do with that? Why are you asking? Speaker 1: You know what, it's not necessary Speaker 2: to question. Speaker 1: I I I I remove that portion Speaker 0: of the question. Speaker 1: So if if, if faith I just if faith were to be if if the Parents decide Speaker 0: Let me take a step out of prayer. Speaker 1: Can I Speaker 0: If something if if you had a if if you were vaccinating a child and they had adverse reactions, what Would you would you have would you stop the vaccination process? Speaker 2: Not necessarily the full vaccination process. It would It Speaker 0: would depend on It would depend on the reaction was. Speaker 2: It depends on the reaction. It depends on which vaccines were given that could potentially have caused it. Okay. Speaker 1: Check the antibody levels in the blood to a disease is also known as checking titers. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Okay. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in the state of Michigan, a child that has sufficient tighters for measles, mumps, rubella, hep B, Orbellis or varicella is not required to get these vaccines, the vaccines for these diseases to attend school? Speaker 2: That is correct. Speaker 1: Okay. What is the vaccine adverse events reporting system? Speaker 2: It is a reporting system where we report adverse events that appear in Association with vaccines. We do not always know the cause and effect, but we are required to report that. Speaker 1: And the CDC administers theirs. Correct? Yes. A long gift. Yeah. Speaker 2: If you say so. Okay. That's very well possible. As I testified yesterday, I told about the details of that. Speaker 1: Right. Right. You said you're not an expert vaccine. Speaker 2: Correct. Correct. Speaker 1: Okay. Isn't it true that fewer than one percent of adverse vaccine events are reported to theirs. Speaker 2: They need to be, If the when you talk about adverse vaccine events, they have to be significant to be reported. If it's just the child Developed a fever you would not report that? That's an expected side effect? Speaker 1: Right. So, isn't it true that less than 1% of the type of events that you're talking about that should be are actually reported today. Speaker 2: I I'm not aware of that. Okay. Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Harvard Medical School and the Harvard Pilgrim Health Care? Speaker 2: I'm familiar with Harvard Medical School. And what was the other one? Speaker 1: Harvard Pilgrim Healthcare. Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's their healthcare system. Ann Arbor? Yes. Speaker 1: It it's, that's my understanding. Yes. And it's one of the, health care HMOs that's part of the vax the vaccine safety data link. You might be familiar with that, but the CTC administrator is Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not familiar with that. Speaker 1: Okay. Yes. So, my understanding is that yes, it is the, it it it is the healthcare system that's associated with Harvard Medical School. That is my understanding. Speaker 2: Okay. And your question was, am I familiar with it? No. I am not Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Harvard Medical School? Speaker 2: Absolutely. Speaker 1: Okay. Would you consider a report prepared by Harvard Medical School researchers under a grant from the United States Department of Health and Human Services looking at the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System or about liable authority. Speaker 2: My hesitation in answering that question is I'm not quite sure what you are implying by considering it a reliable authority. It is certainly something that I would take seriously. Would I Accepted as a 100% gospel? Not necessarily? Speaker 0: Well, we wouldn't. Mostly, we wouldn't accept most things that are Speaker 1: considered as gospel. Correct? But you would consider And authority. Speaker 2: As it is yes. Yes. Speaker 1: May I approach, Rene? Yes. Can you kindly read the yellow highlighting in the report that I just mentioned? Speaker 2: This is from the Electronic Support for Public Health Vaccine Adverse Event Report System from 2007 to 2010, performed by the Harvard Pilgrim Health Care Incorporated. Under results, it says preliminary data were collected from June 2006 through October and 1,400,000 doses, in parentheses, of 45 different vaccines were given to 376,400 and d two individuals. Of these doses, 35,570 possible reactions, in parentheses, 2.6% of vaccinations, were identified. This is an average of 890 possible events, an average of 1.3 events per clinician per month. Those data were presented at the 2009 AMIA conference. And then the other part that is in yellow reads, Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event less than 0 point 3% of all adverse drug events, and 1 to 13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration. Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in the last 10 years, theirs has received reports of 5 11 deaths, 829 permanent disabilities, and 303,021 Hospitalizations following polio antigen containing vaccines? I don't know. Speaker 2: Not my area of expertise. Speaker 1: But you said you consider the CEC website a reliable authority. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: May I press run? Mhmm. Yes. Speaker 0: Object to this line of showing that these reports that if reports are missed, well, I presume this is a reliable authority. 707 argument or dismissal only for impeachment purposes. He's trying to admit these for hearsay purposes to get their get the evidence contained within these reports submitted by having her read them into the record. They don't mention doctor Holter. Doctor Holter hasn't been qualified as an expert in immunology or vaccines. Miss Nancy, if she's aware of these. Speaker 2: But how do Speaker 0: you get her she get her in line with this where my objection okay. Overruled. Do you have a question? Speaker 1: Yes. That's your role. So We're holding a report from the CDC of of of reported adverse events from the polio containing vaccines for the last 10 years. Across the depths. Can you read it? What's the number of reports? Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I cannot tell what this courts. It just says the vaccine adverse event reporting system bears results. Speaker 1: Absolutely. Speaker 2: It does not say what this is specific to. Sure. Speaker 1: If you go to page 4. Okay. Do you see the date report received line? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Okay. Do you see that it says the January 2007 to December 2017? Speaker 2: I do. Speaker 1: Do you understand that to be around a 10 year period? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Okay. When you see the next page that's in products, it's contained with products that have, polio antigens in them. Speaker 2: It has the vaccine products are numerous, And it's not all just ones that contain dex polio. Speaker 1: No. I've got limited time so I Speaker 0: might have to make Speaker 1: a proper honest at the end? Or can I can I get a little extra time to or Speaker 0: What do you wanna ask her Speaker 2: about that? Speaker 1: Well, I I just want her to con I'm just trying to confirm have her confirm the the number of deaths, permanent security and hospitalizations. Speaker 2: Well, it it my question my my my concern is that you asked me about polio, and this is not specific to polio. This looks at all the different vaccines that are listed. Speaker 1: These are all vaccines that have polio containing antibodies? Speaker 2: Actually, no. The first one listed is diphtheria and tetanus toxoid. The next one is acellular Speaker 1: Pertussis. That's 1 vaccine. Speaker 2: There there is no way to be able to tell that that's the case. Speaker 0: Do you Speaker 1: see the plus symbols? Each plus symbol denotes a different vaccine. The break between a different vaccine. Speaker 2: If that's the case, then why is diphtheria and tetanus toxoid listed twice before the first plus? Speaker 1: I I I did not design the bear system. I'm just telling you that that's Speaker 2: I cannot tell what this is based on what you have handed me. Speaker 1: Okay. That's fine. Fair enough. Speaker 0: We're limited on time anyway. Speaker 1: Isn't it true the last case of wild bogey in the United States has was in 1979? Speaker 2: I believe that's true. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in the last 10 years, VAERS has received reports of 615 deaths, 888 permanent disabilities, and 4,600 66 hospitalizations following the theory of many vaccines. Speaker 2: I have no idea if that's true or not. Speaker 1: Assuming it's true since bears only captures a small fraction of action adverse events these numbers are likely to be higher. Correct? Speaker 2: Based on what you pointed out earlier, I would say yes. Speaker 1: The tennis vet team was introduced into the routine childhood schedule in the late 1940s, correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Okay. Speaker 1: According to the CDC, prior to its introduction to the routine childhood schedule, there were only 500 to 600 cases, not deaths, cases, A year of tetanus, correct? Speaker 2: I I wouldn't know. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in the last 10 years, VAERS has received reports of 10 60 deaths, 13 41 permanent disabilities, and 10,974 hospitalizations following Tetanus containing vaccines? Speaker 2: Again, this is not my area of expertise. Also, I would like to point out that when you make a report to VAERS, An association does not mean causation. Speaker 1: Right. You would need a you you should do a clinical trial which aren't done to check those who receive a version Speaker 0: of those Speaker 1: who don't. But but those it worked out right? Speaker 2: Correct. Okay. Speaker 1: And since and assuming those statistics were true that I just read from the VAERS report, And since VAERS only receives a tiny fraction of vaccine adverse events, isn't it true that these numbers are likely higher? Speaker 2: Yes. Isn't Speaker 1: it true that there are 1,200,000 people in Oakland County and that there that there have only been around a 100 cases of hep B total Since the outbreak you mentioned yesterday? Speaker 2: The outbreak I mentioned was not hep the Speaker 1: Okay. I apologize. Speaker 2: And say the question again? Speaker 1: Absolutely. Isn't it true that there are 1,200,000 people in Oakland County and there have Only been a 100 cases of hep a total since the outbreak you mentioned yesterday. Speaker 2: That is not Speaker 0: correct. Object to the compound nature of the question. She's answering it. Speaker 2: It's it's actually not true anyway. Speaker 0: Okay. What Speaker 1: part is not true? Speaker 2: The number. There have been more cases in Speaker 1: the In Oakland County? Yes. Okay. You consider the, the Department of Community Health of Michigan a Revolonial Authority. Right? Speaker 2: I do. Yeah. And yesterday afternoon after Being in court here, I went to the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services and where, an official from the from Michigan Medicaid presented on the hepatitis a outbreak and presented us with data by county. Speaker 1: Okay. And and what was the number for Oakland? Speaker 2: I don't know the exact number but it was in the several 100. Speaker 1: Okay. Do you wanna move to strike his hearsay? Speaker 0: You asked her a follow-up question. Speaker 1: I know. I know but, you know, there's no Speaker 0: I'm not gonna start here. Let's just move on. Speaker 1: But I yes. That's why I thought Speaker 0: I can't hear what you say when you duck down. We talked about this yesterday. Speaker 1: Okay. Sorry. I'll have to come back to that. Alright. Aluminum adjuvants are using vaccines. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Why are the Lumenavans using vaccines? Speaker 2: Because they make the vaccine more effective. Speaker 1: Okay. And how do they do that? Speaker 2: I don't know. Speaker 1: Okay. What's an antigen? Speaker 2: An antigen is a typically a protein that, in this case, it would be if you're talking about vaccines, an antigen is, A protein that causes a reaction and oftentimes is an an infectious agent but not always. Speaker 1: Antigen. Okay. And antigens are contained in vaccines. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Antigens bind to the aluminum. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: What are macrophages? Those are Speaker 2: a type of cell in the blood? Speaker 1: Only in the blood? Speaker 2: And other parts of the body too. Speaker 1: What do they do? Speaker 2: They eat up, stuff that you shouldn't have in your body. Okay. Speaker 1: And antigens bound to aluminum are taken up by macrophages. Correct? Speaker 2: Yes. K. Speaker 1: And macrophages present the stuff they gobble up to the parts of the immune system that create antibodies. Correct? Speaker 2: I believe so. I don't I have not studied the actual mechanism of action. Speaker 1: And they also travel to different parts of the body including the grains. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And they'll deposit the materials that gobble up there. Correct? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: What is encephalitis? Speaker 2: It's an inflammation of the brain. Speaker 1: What is encephalopathy? Speaker 2: It is a chronic condition of of of the brain being out of whack. Speaker 1: What is encephalomyelitis? Speaker 0: Encephalomyelitis. Speaker 2: It is an inflammation of the myelin within the brain. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that most vaccine inserts report For most vaccines excuse me, strike that. Isn't it true that most package inserts for most vaccines report, Encephalitis or encephalopathy as a reported adverse event from vaccination? Speaker 2: I would have to look at all the package inserts to be able to say yes or no to that. It is possible. Speaker 1: Okay. Are you aware that all DTaP containing vaccines with encephalopathy within 7 days of a prior potential sustaining vaccine is a contraindication? Speaker 2: Yes. K. Speaker 1: Do any of the vaccines in the toxic cell will contain monkey kidney cells? Speaker 2: I do not know. Speaker 1: Blood serum from cows? Speaker 2: I do not know. Speaker 1: Do you need pig cell cultures? Speaker 2: I do not know. Speaker 1: Gelatin from pigs and cows? Speaker 2: I don't know. Speaker 1: MRC 5 human diploid cells. Speaker 2: MRC five Those are specifics that I typically do. Speaker 1: Are you aware that MRC 5 diploid cells are cells cultured from the lung Speaker 2: I am aware that there are 2 vaccines out on the market, the MMR and the VZV that have, that use a cell in the production of it, use a cell line, from aborted fetuses from 1962 and 1966. Those are the only 2 aborted fetus tissue cell lines that are used. And there is no alternative to it. Speaker 0: So the cultures the the Speaker 1: the Japan has an MMR vaccine. Correct? Correct? Speaker 2: I believe so. Speaker 1: And theirs doesn't have any human fetal cell disease. Speaker 2: I'm not aware that there is one that is licensed in the United States other than what we have. Speaker 1: Okay. So there are vaccines that contain the cell lines from water fetal tissue. Correct? Speaker 2: From 1962 and 1966. Yes. Speaker 1: But Speaker 2: Actually, the the vaccine doesn't contain the cell line. The the, the the the vaccine is requires culture within those cell lines. Speaker 1: And you're saying that none of those none of the aborted fetal tissue culture cell lines actually end up in the vaccine product? Speaker 2: The vaccine doesn't have cells in it. Speaker 1: The cellular pieces from the aborted That Speaker 2: is potentially possible. Yes. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in fact there is more of that cellular debris in the MMR for example, and there is actually antigen? Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that, That the, Havrix hepatitis a vaccine hepatitis a vaccine contains millions of fragments of human DNA? Speaker 2: Possible. I don't know. Speaker 0: If doctor Speaker 1: Plotkin said that it does, would you disagree? Speaker 2: If he says it does, then I will agree. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that the Varivax, the chicken pox vaccine contains approximately 1,000,000,000,000 fragments of human DNA? Speaker 2: Again, if doctor Plotkin says it does then I will agree. Speaker 1: Okay. Do do any vaccines on the child's vaccine schedule contain human albumin which is part of the human blood? Speaker 2: Not to my albumin is is, yes. It is found in human blood, it can also be produced separately to the best of my knowledge? Speaker 1: But you're not aware of whether it's Speaker 2: I I I don't know if it's in there or not. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that a monkey Virus SB 40 infected millions of Americans before it was discovered in the polio vaccine? Speaker 2: That is possible? Speaker 1: You're not aware? Speaker 2: I'm not aware of that. No. Speaker 1: K. Isn't it true? Are you aware that s c 40 has been and continues to be found in various human tumors? Speaker 2: I'm not aware of that. Speaker 0: Isn't it true that an adjuvant will only will Speaker 1: not only bind to the target antigen that's in the vaccine, But also, to the impurities and byproducts such as the animal and human parts left in the vaccine or the manufacturing process? Speaker 2: You're asking me specifics about physiology, that I am not that's not my area of expertise. Speaker 1: Are you aware I asked doctor Klotkin the same question? He said probably yes. Speaker 2: As I've mentioned previously, I have no idea what you asked doctor Klotkin. Speaker 1: It's correct. Speaker 2: I suppose that would make sense from a physiologic point of view. Speaker 1: And and if doctor Klotkin said that it might it could, Would you disagree? Speaker 2: I would not disagree. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in just one study related to vaccine development conducted by Doctor. Plotkin, He used 74 normally developed uses 3 months or older, many of which were electively awarded. Speaker 0: One's objection to relevance of what doctor Plotkin did in his study. She's already testified that she's not an expert on everything he's written. He's not here today. I realize they want to spend a lot of time in teaching him, but he's not a witness. Speaker 1: Your honor, my client has an objection of a religious nature to vaccination that relates to the use of aborted fetuses. The use of aborted fetuses develop the vaccines is clearly relevant to this dispute. Speaker 2: Hold on. Speaker 1: I've only got 2 more questions on it and, all this. Okay. Done. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Isn't it true these 74 aborted fetuses had almost every piece of their bodies including skin, tongue, and heart cut into little cubes to be used for culture. Speaker 2: I'm not aware of any studies that doctor Plotkin, The specifics of any studies that doctor Plotkin did? Speaker 1: You're aware that he's developed numerous vaccines. Correct? Speaker 2: I am aware of that. Yes. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that at least hundreds of aborted fetuses have been sacrificed in the development of vaccines. Speaker 2: Again, I cannot comment on that. I can't comment on what the Vatican has said about the vaccines and whether to use them or not. Speaker 1: What principles and methods did you rely upon in reaching your opinion regarding vaccine safety? Speaker 2: I use the again, the recommendations of the CDC And the American, the, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the American Academy of Pediatrics to make form an opinion about the vaccine safety. And also, I used my experience in seeing children who have died from conditions that were vaccine preventable. Once you have seen a child die from a vaccine preventable disease, Your focus on how you feel about vaccines changes dramatically. I have seen children die from meningococcal disease Very rapidly. As soon as the vaccine became available on the market, I made sure that my daughters got that vaccine. The same is true for for, HPV vaccine. Speaker 1: You believe in informed consent, I presume? Speaker 2: I believe in informed consent. Informed consent involves also knowing not just what the potential side effects are, But what the actual risks are of having the disease? Speaker 1: That's right. But it also involves understanding the risks of the product itself. Correct? Speaker 2: You have to balance the risks versus the benefits. In this case, the benefits far outweigh the risks. Speaker 1: Okay. And the basis for that opinion is the information on the c d that is the CDC web. It is is because it's a CDC recommendation. Correct? Speaker 2: Both that as well as what I have personally experienced. Speaker 1: Okay. So your basis so I'm gonna say the principle methods that you relied upon of reaching your opinion regarding vaccine safety and vaccine efficacy are what the CDC recommends And and your claim that you've seen some people die of some diseases that for which their vaccination. Is that correct? Correct. That's the sum total. Right? Speaker 2: And the American Academy of Pediatrics recommendations. Speaker 1: Okay. That's it. Speaker 2: How we form opinions is quite complex, And you're asking me how I formed all of these opinions? And I have to say there are probably other influences that I am not thinking of at this point. But in general in general, those are the major. Speaker 1: Your honor, I I'm On that basis, those are the principles and methods she's relied upon. I moved to disqualify her as an expert with regards to vaccine safety and efficacy. Daubert standard requires Principles and methods that are reliable, that are reproducible, that you can actually evaluate the peer reviewed publication based with damage. Speaker 0: She's already been qualified as an expert in Speaker 1: Right. But I'm I'm moving to to I understand that, but I'm moving to have all of her testimony regarding vaccine safety and efficacy. Pediatrics can be viewed broadly, your honor. And I and, obviously, you you know, I objected at the beginning. And so I'm I'm in some ways, I knew my objection in that To the extent that her qualification as a pediatrician, which is fine, as she I don't contest that there are certainly areas in pediatrics where she is qualified to be a No. Speaker 0: You're welcome to break it. It sounds like you probably should, but we're now are you done with Speaker 1: Okay. But but that's an issue that you'll take under advisement, your honor? Speaker 0: If you'd like to brief it, but you're gonna have to come more with a than a 2 minute, oral argument with some case law and court rules. Anything else? Speaker 1: Well well, I, you know, I I, I went through things a bit a lot quicker than I would have normally done given that, 30 minute limitation. Speaker 0: I I gave you 45 minutes. Speaker 1: I paused. Speaker 0: It's like 45 minutes. Speaker 1: I did pause it every time. I wasn't every time somebody else did something. I've I've got 30 minutes 42 seconds. But I do appreciate that, your honor. I do appreciate that. Speaker 0: What's your what's your conclusion? Right? Speaker 1: I'm I'm concluding just reserving for any Recross the That's Speaker 0: comes up. Redirect. Alright. Doctor Holter will make this pretty quick. Tends to be my habit. Let's Start with I'm gonna go in reverse chronological order as well. So we've there was some conversation about aborted fetal cell lines and not a lot of Can you tell me what you mean when you say a cell line? Speaker 2: A cell line is a stem cell typically that, a cell that can still reproduce and in for example, if you take tissues from, lung, fibroblasts, those can be, made to reproduce and continue to be lung fibroblast cells, and they have been reproduced Year after year after year. Speaker 0: How are they reproduced? Speaker 2: Those are specifics that I cannot Speaker 1: tell you. Speaker 0: Are they grown in a lab? Speaker 2: They're grown in a lab. Yes. So there Speaker 0: we the word awarded fetal cells has been used a lot. Is there a further and I'm trying to phrase this delicately, Are there new aborted cells being added to this? Speaker 2: To the best of my knowledge, there are not new aborted cells being added to it. But, again, this is Vaccine, manufacturing is not my area of expertise. Speaker 0: Alright. I'm going to go to something that kind of is. So they'll appreciate that. We talked about encephalitis, encephalopathy, and myelitis. And we also spend a lot of time discussing aluminum. You've done have you done research on specifically metal toxicity Does it be in the human body? Speaker 2: I have lead poisoning specifically. Speaker 0: Why isn't the aluminum in vaccines concerning to you? Or is the aluminum in vaccines Speaker 2: It is not concerning to me because the amount of aluminum that we ingest in general, just through our diet, is much higher than what we get through vaccines. There's no reason to believe that that amount, that additional small amount is anything to be concerned about. Alright. Speaker 0: Are you aware of the relative proportions of the aluminum that we ingest versus the aluminum that we receive? Speaker 2: It is significantly, higher what we ingest. I would it's somewhere between 50 to a 100 times more than what we did in vaccines. Speaker 0: Thank you. Let's talk about VAERS for a bit. Are you familiar with the process to report a vaccine injury to VAERS? Speaker 2: There is a there is a a website to report it on and a Phone number that what can be called? Speaker 0: Alright. Is it the physicians reporting these adverse events? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 0: Can someone report their own adverse event without a Speaker 2: It would be possible. Yes. There's no limitation as to who makes the report. Speaker 0: So would it be possible for a person or persons with an agenda to make reports? Speaker 2: That is possible. I would I would assume. Speaker 0: Alright. And are there any standards for the time line to make a report to VAERS? Speaker 2: You you typically are required to make that report as soon as possible, as soon as you become aware of it. Speaker 0: Is there a timeline for how long the alleged adverse reaction takes place after the administration of the vaccine? Speaker 2: I'd have to look up the guidelines. It's generally within, a few days of after the vaccine. Speaker 0: Alright. And alright. So we also talked about titer a bit. And that how would a child develop immunity that would show in a titer? Speaker 2: Okay. So when you are when your body is, encounters an antigen, the body typically, responds to it by producing an antibody. Antibodies are sort of like the little soldiers that help to fight off the antigen or the infection. Some antibodies are effective, some are not effective. And that is actually part of the process of developing a vaccine is, to help the body produce antibodies that are effective in fighting off the infection. Speaker 0: And so there was a lot of talk about the fact that a lot of vaccine preventable diseases we don't see. Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 0: Why do we still vaccinate against those diseases? Speaker 2: Because they haven't been eliminated and because, in a globalized world, it is possible to be exposed to them from somebody traveling on an airplane, bringing it into the country, and we know that that has happened with, a number of diseases. Speaker 0: Alright. And next, this is almost the last question. I've got these you. So when you're looking at a patient and making the determination as to what vaccines they should receive, what family history factors Are conservative TB? Speaker 2: One of the big family history factors that I would take into consideration is, is there, a history of anybody who's immune suppressed. And actually, in certain knowing that there are Certain conditions in the family would make me more likely to immunize rather than less likely because especially, Folks who have a a a chance of having diabetes or asthma may, If there's a family history of it, the chance that the child might have it is higher. And then the child may be more likely to suffer the severe, side effects if they were to catch that disease. Speaker 0: Alright. And are you familiar with the Institute of Medicine at all? Speaker 2: I'm familiar with it. Yes. Speaker 0: Can you explain briefly what it is? Speaker 2: I I can't. Alright. It's fine. I know that there are recommendations that come out from the Institute of Medicine and I I'm sorry. I have What's the Speaker 0: That's fine. Nothing. Anything? Yeah. Only related anything new that was from Speaker 1: No. Only exactly what Speaker 0: was going on. Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go outside Speaker 0: the school. Okay. Speaker 1: If I do, I'll I'll gladly take that objection. Okay. Okay. Isn't it true that there actually has recently been a new cell line, human cell line from a board of fetal tissue that's been approved for use in that case? Speaker 2: I'm not aware of that. Speaker 1: Isn't it true that the only polio vaccine used in the United States is an activated polio vaccine which is injected in muscle Speaker 2: Incorrect. It's an inactivated that's Speaker 0: what I'm saying. It's Speaker 2: an inactivated poliovirus vaccine. Speaker 1: Right. And it's injected in muscle tissue. Speaker 2: Correct. Okay. Speaker 1: Versus what we used to be used as a Speaker 2: Actually, it's not into the muscle tissue. It's given sub q typically. Speaker 1: And and isn't it, And the, the polio vaccine that used to be used in America and the one that's still used most of world countries, oral polio vaccine. Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And isn't it true that the World Health Organization recommendation provides that because strike that. Polio vaccine is Polio vaccine is, polio is transmitted from mouth fecal contamination. Correct? Mhmm. Right. Correct. Okay. So it, it it it infects and proliferates in the intestines? Speaker 2: Correct. Okay. Speaker 1: Isn't it true the World Health Organization provides that If there's an outbreak of polio in a country that uses IPV, they're supposed to switch over to OPV Because IPV gives personal protection because it only creates immunity in the blood not in the intestines. So therefore, it it the polio vaccine can still proliferate and spread if all you have is IPV and not OPD. Correct? That Speaker 2: is correct. Speaker 1: Right. So so, the right. So the poll okay. And that goes to the point that my opposing counsel is saying that, the reason we need to strike that point there. In terms of theirs, for the very small fraction of of adverse events that are reported to theirs, the CDC does follow-up on some of them, correct? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: And and and so people were making phony reports to theirs. They find out what is that? I would assume so. Have you ever read any article about Phony bears reports? Speaker 2: I have not. Speaker 1: Okay. Are you aware of any phony bears reports? Speaker 2: I have not. Speaker 1: Okay. Last topic, aluminum and then I'm I'm done. So you said that the quantity of ingested aluminum is small or is, excuse me, is is much larger than the amount injected aluminum and therefore, you deem it safe? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: Are you aware that the this FDA provides that in terms of inject Jested aluminum, eaten aluminum, 0.3% or less is actually taken up by the blood. Do you know that or not? I it's Speaker 2: just that I don't know the exact numbers. Speaker 1: And that if it is, it's taken up in ionic form. Do you understand what I mean? Speaker 2: I understand what you mean by that. Speaker 1: I mean, in its in its smallest elemental form, that's what's taken into the blood. Right? Speaker 2: Correct. Speaker 1: And and aluminum and ionic form is not able to cross the blood brain barrier. Correct? Speaker 2: I am not aware that that's true. Speaker 1: You don't know. Speaker 2: I don't know that that's true. Speaker 1: Okay. If you don't know, that's fine. In contrast, injected aluminum is our nanoparticles. Correct? They're there to create an irritant to the immune system so that the vaccine creates antibodies. And so they're actually these nano that are in the vaccine, right, or do not know? Speaker 2: You're talking about specifics that are are very Detailed? Speaker 1: And Aren't aren't the details important? I mean, you you said that Speaker 2: Not in this case because we're talking about a metal. And we're talking about a metal that doesn't change its form in a in a way that is, it's not like the There was a law a big controversy about mercury in vaccines. And the mercury in vaccines, the form was different than the mercury that was typically ingested in fish, for example. Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask I'm not asking about mercury. Speaker 2: I know you're not. But that concern is not present for aluminum. Speaker 1: I'm gonna Speaker 2: ask The amount of Speaker 1: The aluminum that's injected into the body, are you aware That it's in nanoparticle form. That it's it is in in in chemistry Speaker 2: It is bound to something else. Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Speaker 2: It is bound to something else. It's it's used as an adjuvant. Speaker 1: Right. Meaning, you can't have ionic aluminum binding to these giant antigens. You need big pieces of aluminum to bind to the protein antigens. Right? Speaker 2: When you say big pieces of aluminum Speaker 1: Relative to to an an ion of aluminum that would be ingested in. Speaker 2: Sir, you're asking me Specifics. They don't require beyond my area of expertise. Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. The so you don't know that's fine. But I'm there is. Okay. So you're not aware that there's a difference between the form that aluminum, so when it's ingested, it's taken up an ionic form. When it's injected, It's in these nanoparticle forms. And the nanoparticle forms She Speaker 0: hasn't presented anything yet. Just one doubt. Just so you finish. She's almost done. Speaker 1: And the nanoparticle forms that we discussed earlier are gobbled up by macro badges and deposit deposited around the body including frames. You know, strike that. I I think she she's already said she doesn't know. So thank you very much, your honor. Speaker 0: Thank you. You can step down

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Watch the “Godmother of Vaccines” Vaccinologist Dr. Kathryn Edwards wilt before your eyes during a deposition in preparation for a vaccine injury trial. The issue at hand is, how can the government and its pharmaceutical company interlocutors assert their products do not cause autism, if the proper studies have never been conducted in order to prove that? Credit: @HighWireTalk

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The speaker discusses the length of clinical trials needed to determine if vaccines cause autism in children under 18 months. They mention that autism is generally diagnosed within the first couple of years of life and is believed to be a prenatal event. The speaker also states that vaccine trials typically require a year of follow-up. When asked about the number of children needed in clinical trials to detect autism and the trial duration, the speaker cannot provide specific numbers. They agree that the trials may not have been designed to determine if vaccines cause autism and suggest that larger database studies are needed. The speaker emphasizes that they are not stating vaccines cause autism.
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Speaker 0: If you're going to design a clinical trial of a vaccine giving to children 18 months or younger, how long would that clinical trial need to be to determine whether the vaccine caused autism? Speaker 1: The, In general, the, autism is is is generally diagnosed somewhere within the first, couple years of life. And, and I think maybe the meantime is about 2 years depending upon severity. So I think that that, However, I think that that most of the going theories would suggest that that autism is is really a prenatal event And not a an event that happens after the child is born. So I think that that that what you're asking me is a little bit of a loaded question And, so I will add, I will ask you or I will answer in that, that the that the vaccine trials that are that are conducted Always have a tale of about a year that is required for, for the manufacturers to follow the patients. Speaker 0: For the vaccines licensed, you know, by the year by the year 2000, how many children would you estimate need to be in those clinical trials to detect whether the vaccine cause autism by 18 months and how long would the trial need to continue after 18 months of age? Speaker 1: I can't give you those numbers off the top of my head, exactly how they would be. And, I think that, I think one of the, you know, when you have an a rare event, Although, you know, autism is now felt to be about 1.5% of the population when you have a rare event, and particularly when it was it might have been more difficult to diagnose earlier, in an earlier time, Then, then I think it takes larger numbers but I can't give you that numbers. Speaker 0: About clinical trials, would you agree with me that the clinical trials lied upon to license the vaccines given to for Yates were not designed to determine whether these products cause autism when given to an infant or toddler at or below the age of 18 months? Speaker 1: I think those trials were likely not powered to answer that question. I don't Paul, the actual number that were enrolled in the, in the MMR vaccine trials. And so I can't, I can't say that definitively, that, you know, but but I would trust that it likely was not large enough and that's why large Database studies are are needed to to really assess that in in a phase four assessment. Speaker 0: So it sounds like, you know, you would agree there weren't. They probably as you said are unlikely to be improperly powered and they would have needed to review safety long enough as well, to determine to capture enough children in the experimental and control group that had or didn't have autism in order to make an assessment of whether the product caused autism. Correct? Speaker 1: Yes, sir. If an adverse event were to occur associated with vaccines that if it were an uncommon event And if it were if it was not diagnosed until later, then you would need a larger number of sample size and a longer period to assess that. I am not saying, however, by answering yes to your questions that I believe autism that vaccines cause autism. So I just wanna make sure that you understand what I'm saying. Speaker 0: Never asked that question. Absolutely. I think the record's clear on that. How long would safety have to be tracked in the clinical Progyny Lide upon to license the vaccine's yeast receipt in order for them to have determined whether the vaccine caused autism? Object to form the question. You may answer, doctor, if you have any. Speaker 1: I'm not gonna answer it. I've already answered the question. Speaker 0: I I don't recall that you have not provided any period of time? Are you saying you don't know the period of time? Speaker 1: I said Speaker 0: Please. Speaker 1: I said that The studies that were involved in the licensure of MMR did not provide an adequate number of patients that had been followed for For 4 years to determine the, the a rare event that would happen 4 years after vaccination. That's what I'm saying. Speaker 0: According to your profile you have done most of the printable trials relied upon to license many of the vaccines, correct, on the market? Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Speaker 0: Okay. So you're highly experienced conducting clinical trials, correct? Speaker 1: I'm highly experienced conducting clinical trials. Speaker 0: And you're familiar with many of the clinical trials that relied upon to license many of the vaccines currently on the market, correct? I am. In your opinion, did the clinical trials relied upon to license the vaccines that Gates received many of which are still on the market today, were they designed to rule out that the vaccine causes autism? Speaker 1: No. You badgered me into answering the question the way you want me to, but I think that, that that I've that's probably the answer. Speaker 0: Is is it is that your accurate and truthful testimony? Yes. Thank you.

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Plotkin conflicts of interest

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“The Godfather of Vaccines” Dr. Stanley Plotkin admits under oath he got paid from all of the big Pharma companies while consulting for an “Independent Report” on whether or not Vaccines cause autism. For some extremely odd reason he didn’t feel the need to disclose it in the report.

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In this video, the speaker discusses a report by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) on vaccine safety. The speaker, who worked for major vaccine makers, was involved in the review process. The IOM report examined the link between vaccines and autism, concluding that there is inadequate evidence to accept or reject a causal relationship. The speaker asserts that vaccines do not cause autism, despite the lack of evidence. The conversation also touches on the administration of Tdap vaccines to babies and pregnant women. The speaker dismisses claims about vaccines causing leprosy and suggests that the review process was necessary due to numerous complaints. The video ends with a question about using orphans for studies.
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Speaker 0: 2011, the IOM then issued another report on vaccine safety. And this time it looked at a 158 of the most commonly claimed serious injuries, after vaccination, right? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: The title of that report is Adverse Effects of Vaccines Evidence of Causality. Did you provide information to the IO committee conducting this review? Speaker 1: I don't recall specifically whether I did or not. A lot of people asked for my opinions and When asked, do I give my opinions? Speaker 0: See a section entitled reviewers. Speaker 1: Oh, yes. I'm on the list. Speaker 0: The purpose of this independent review, is to provide candid and critical comments that will assist the institutions in making its published report as sound as possible, and to ensure that the report meets institutional standards for objectivity, evidence and responsiveness to the study charge. It doesn't disclose that at that time you were working for all 4 of the major vaccine makers, correct. In 2011, were you receiving compensation of remuneration from Sanofi? Speaker 1: I was yes, as I've said before, I Was consulting for Sanofi, as well as others. Speaker 0: Were you consulting for Merck? Speaker 1: Yes, probably at that time. Yes. Speaker 0: And GSK? Yes. And and as well as a whole host of other for profit companies seeking to develop vaccines, correct? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: I'm just saying that's not mentioned here, correct? Speaker 1: No. Speaker 0: Tdap is one of the vaccines on the childhood schedule, right? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: It's it's administered to babies during the 1st year of life. Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: We already talked about this at 2, 4 6 months. Right? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: Now, as for TDaP, that's given to pregnant women, correct? Yes. What was the IOM's conclusion in 2011 about whether these vaccines can cause autism? Speaker 1: I'd have to look that up, but, I Feel confident that they do not cause autism. Speaker 0: You feel confident that that's what the IOM concluded? Speaker 1: I don't remember what the IOM concluded, but I don't believe there's any evidence that that's the case. Speaker 0: Can you read the causality conclusion with regard to whether DTaP and Tdap cause autism? Speaker 1: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject A causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid or acellular pertussis containing vaccine and autism. Speaker 0: The evidence doesn't exist to show whether DTaP or TDaP do or do not cause autism, correct? Speaker 1: Yes. Evidence not being available. Yes. Does not allow you to conclude that the phenomena That there is a causal relationship. Speaker 0: But it does allow you to conclude that the evidence doesn't exist to say that DTaP and TDaP do not cause autism. Speaker 1: There is not evidence to, say a 1000000 different things. We have no suspicions, at least I don't, that autism is caused by DTaP. Speaker 0: You may not have that suspicion, but it is one of the most commonly reported adverse events, which is why it was reviewed in this IOM report. Can you make the statement that vaccines do not cause autism. If you don't know whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism. Speaker 1: I can say as a physician that, no, they do not cause autism. You know, I can't be sure that DTaP doesn't leprosy. That doesn't mean that that stops me from using a DTaP vaccine. Speaker 0: Are people claiming that DTaP has caused leprosy? I Are you aware of any such complaints? Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any such complaints, but I wouldn't be surprised -To see it on the web one of these days. Speaker 0: -Okay. But people have made enough complaints about DTaP, Tdap causing autism that the Institute of Medicine at the Commission of HHS thought it was serious enough to do a scientific review, correct? Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, there are a 1000000 things on the web, including all kinds of of diet advice based on, on ridiculous information. So why should I adopt that? Speaker 0: Are you saying that the IOM was engaging in a ridiculous review here. The only thing I've asked you is whether or not one can assert that vaccines do not cause autism. Speaker 1: Counselor, let's be let's be real. You're asking me these questions because you want me to legitimize a view that vaccines cause autism and I will not do that because absence of evidence is no proof whatsoever. Speaker 0: You're okay with telling the parent that DTaP, TDaP does not cause autism, even though the science isn't there yet to support that claim. Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm also willing to tell them it doesn't cause leprosy. Speaker 0: Have you ever used orphans to study

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I am wound up today. All these people defending vaccines like it’s their job (because it probably is) do me a favor a defend this from your lord and savior Stanley Plotkin “The Godfather of Vaccines. When he is under oath he has to speak the unspeakable. I have more coming your way shills.

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Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if they have ever used orphans, mentally handicapped individuals, babies of mothers in prison, or individuals under colonial rule to study experimental vaccines. Speaker 1 admits to using orphans, but does not recall using mentally handicapped individuals specifically. They acknowledge that it was not uncommon in the 1960s. Speaker 1 confirms using babies of mothers in prison and individuals under colonial rule, including in the Belgian Congo, where the experiment involved nearly a million people.
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Speaker 0: Have you ever used orphans to study an experimental vaccine? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: Have you ever used the mentally handicapped to study an experimental vaccine? Speaker 1: I don't recollect ever doing studies in mentally handicapped individuals. At the time in the 1960s, it was not an uncommon practice. Speaker 0: So, You're saying I'm I'm not clear on your answer. I'm sorry. Did you did you have you ever used the mentally handicapped to study an experimental vaccine? Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I don't recall specifically having done that, but that, in the 1960s, It was not unusual to do that. And I wouldn't deny that, I may have done so. Speaker 0: Okay. Have you ever used babies of mothers in prison to study an experimental vaccine? Yes. Have you ever used individuals under colonial rule to study an experimental vaccine? Yes. Did you do so in the Belgian Congo? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: Did that experiment involve almost a 1000000 people? Speaker 1: Well, well, alright. Yes.

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In this clip the mask is removed from “The Godfather of Vaccines” Stanley Plotkin. Even though he obviously has disdain for religion and calls himself an atheist, it’s clear he has a religion, Scientism.

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The speaker discusses the organs harvested from fetuses, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue. They acknowledge objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, but mention that the Catholic church supports vaccination regardless. The speaker does not know if the mother is Catholic and suggests she consult her priest. They express disagreement with religious objections to vaccines and believe that some religious beliefs include accepting death and disease. The speaker identifies as an atheist and acknowledges that some religious beliefs are unprovable.
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Speaker 0: What organs Speaker 1: did you harvest from these fetuses? Speaker 0: Well, I didn't personally harvest any, but a whole range of tissues were harvested by coworkers. Speaker 1: And these pieces were then cut up into little pieces, right? Yes. And they were cultured? Yes. Okay. Some of the pieces of the fetuses were pituitary gland that were that were chopped up into pieces too? Mhmm. Okay. Included the lung of the fetuses? Yes, okay included the skin. Yes. Kidney. Yes. Spleen. Yes. Heart. Yes. And tongue? Speaker 0: I don't recall but the probably yes. Speaker 1: Are you aware that the one of the uh-uh. Objections to vaccination by the plaintiff in this case is the inclusion of aborted fetal tissue and the development of vaccines and the fact that it's actually part of the ingredients of vaccines? Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm aware of those objections. The Catholic church has actually issued a document on that which says that individuals who need the vaccine should receive the vaccines regardless of the fact. And that that, I think it implies that I am the individual who will go to hell because of the use of aborted tissues, which I am blessed to Speaker 1: do. Okay. Do you know if the mother is Catholic? Speaker 0: I have no idea. Okay. So she should consult her priest. Speaker 1: Do you believe that someone can have a valid religious objection to refusing a vaccine? No. Do you take issue with religious beliefs? Yes. You've said that, quote, vaccination is always under attack by religious zealots who believe that the will of God includes death and disease. Yes. You you stand by that statement? I absolutely do. Okay. Are you an atheist? Yes. Do you accept that some people hold religious beliefs that are inherently unprovable? Speaker 0: Yes. I'm sure they do.

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The mental gymnastics Dr. Stanley Plotkin goes through to convince himself that what he is recommending is “safe and effective” is truly something to behold. Keep in mind this is man literally wrote the 💉 textbooks that are used to educate people on this science. Yet they will deny, deny, deny, knowing the entire time they are misrepresenting the science, for the “greater good” of course so that justifies it.

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The speakers discuss the need for careful preclinical studies before licensing vaccines. They mention that large studies covering different age groups are necessary, but these data often come later after the vaccine has been used in thousands or millions of people. The conversation then focuses on whether DTaP or Tdap vaccines cause autism. The Institute of Medicine (IOM) concludes that the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between these vaccines and autism. While there are no studies showing a link, one study by anti-vaccination figures is mentioned, but it lacks legitimacy. The speakers emphasize that there is no positive evidence to disprove the link. However, as a physician, one speaker states that vaccines do not cause autism and that they prioritize the health of the child over waiting for conclusive scientific evidence. The discussion also briefly mentions the possibility of DTaP causing leprosy, although there are no complaints about it. The IOM's review did not cover this topic.
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Speaker 0: Isn't it also the reason then that careful preclinical studies using an inert placebo should be conducted before licensure? Speaker 1: It would be ideal to do so, but, one would also have to Would have to be very large studies, and covering different age groups. And by and large, those data come out much later after experience With the vaccine used in 1,000 or millions of people. Speaker 0: This is an excerpt from the IOM's report, right? Speaker 1: Yes. Okay. Speaker 0: And this is where the IOM discusses The evidence with regard to whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism, correct? Correct. Okay. If you turn to the 2nd page, can you read the causality conclusion with regard to whether DTaP and Tdap cause autism? Speaker 1: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid Or acellular pertussis containing vaccine in autism. Speaker 0: So the IOM reviewed the available evidence with regard to whether Tdap or DTaP can cause autism. And their conclusion was the evidence doesn't exist to show whether DTaP or TDaP do does do or do not cause autism, correct? Speaker 1: Yes. But the point is that there are no studies showing that it does cause autism except one study By 2 well known anti vaccination figures, Guyer and Guyer, who have no legitimacy whatsoever. So what they're saying is that there's no evidence. And, The important point from my point of view is that there is no positive evidence Right. To do a proper study, as we've been discussing, which would, Disprove It would involve the controlled administration of vaccines and, Withholding vaccines from children who should have them. Speaker 0: But since there's no evidence that DTaP or Tdap don't cause autism, You can't yet say that vaccines do not cause autism, correct? Speaker 1: I cannot say that as a, as a scientist or a logician, but I can say as a physician That, no, they do not cause autism. Speaker 0: Okay. So what you're saying is, as a physician or logician, then you couldn't say vaccines do not you could not say vaccines do not cause autism. But as a pediatrician, you're saying that you would say that to a parent because You wanna make sure they get the vaccine. Is that right? Speaker 1: You know, I can't be sure that DTaP doesn't cause leprosy. That doesn't mean that that It stops me from using a DTaP vaccine. Speaker 0: Are people claiming that DTaP has caused leprosy? Are you aware of any such complaints? Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any such complaints, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it on the web one of these days. Speaker 0: Okay. But people have made enough complaints about DTaP, Tdap causing autism that the Institute of Medicine At the Commission of HHS thought it was serious enough to do a scientific review, correct? Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: Okay. If you don't know whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism, shouldn't you wait Until you do know until you have the science to support it to then say that vaccines do not cause autism? Speaker 1: Do I wait? No, I do not wait because I have to take into account the health of the child. Speaker 0: And so for that reason, you're okay with telling the parent that DTaP, Tdap does not cause autism even though the science isn't there yet to support that claim? Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm also willing to tell them it doesn't cause leprosy. Speaker 0: Okay. Again, did the did the ILM review whether DTEB cause a lot of sleep? Speaker 1: No. Okay. I cannot say that as a, As a scientist or a logician, but I can say as a physician that, no, they do not cause

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Maurice Hilleman and Leonard Hayflick aren’t household names but in the world biological sciences they are legends. Hilleman passed away in 2005 and is credited with developing over 40 vaccines and is widely credited as the most influential vaccinolgists ever. Hayflick who is still alive and currently a Professor of Anatomy at UCSF School of medicine, is known for discovering that normal human cells divide for a limited number of times in vitro, known today as the Hayflick Limit. His cell strain WI-38 replaced the monkey kidney cells as the substrate used for producing human vaccines. These are serious scientists and widely celebrated by all stripes so when they speak, people tend to listen. I say this because what you are about to watch is an edit of three different documentaries that compliment each other nicely because each presents evidence from a different perspective on generally the same topic. The first clip is presented by Leonard Horowitz, a Harvard trained public health expert, author and pharmaceutical industry whistleblower. He located a segment that was left on the cutting room floor of a PBS Documentary entitled “The Health Century” which featured a Maurice Hilleman interview. He also mentions Litton Bionetics, a US bio weapons contractor who was responsible for the 1967 Marburg virus outbreak that killed 7 people. 🤔 Marburg Incident: https://is.gd/u1cmpo In it Hilleman reveals information that he and a colleague while working at Merck, discovered a new virus in the monkeys whose kidneys were being used as a substrate in the production of the polio vaccines. When I first heard it I was slightly incredulous because the implications are frightening, so I sought out corroborating evidence. After a couple weeks of searching I came across an interview of Hayflick where he is discussing the problems with using monkey kidneys as a substrate for vaccine production, in particular for the Polio vaccines. Well obviously my ears perked up and he even went on to name drop Hilleman and refer to his morbid discovery. The Virus you ask? Simian Virus 40 (SV40), that was found to be highly carcinogenic. Those two clips are sandwiched between a 2004 documentary called “The Origin of AIDS”. It’s extremely well done with historical footage and some serious investigative journalism spanning the globe, definitely watch it in full some time. The theory it proposes dovetails nicely with the other two clips. If what they propose is true, the implications boggle the mind. Personally, I don’t know if it’s the truth but it sure gets the wheels turning if you can view the evidence objectively. After you watch, let me know what you think below.👇🏻

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The Marburg virus, known as the mother of Ebola, broke out in three vaccine production facilities in 1967, causing deaths and injuries. The monkey supplier, Litton BioNetics, was also a biological weapons contractor for the military and the CIA. Dr. Maurice Hilleman, a vaccine expert, discovered that imported monkeys were carrying viruses, including the AIDS virus. The polio vaccine, derived from monkey organs, was contaminated with the SV40 virus. Independent journalist Tom Curtis published an article suggesting that the polio vaccine could have led to the spread of AIDS. However, the theory was challenged and the scientific community dismissed it. The true origins of AIDS remain uncertain.
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Speaker 0: The mother of Ebola is the Marburg virus that first broke out in 3 vaccine production facilities in 3 different parts of the world simultaneously in 1967, killing 7 people and injuring another 31. This grave risk came from the fact that the monkey supplier, Litton BioNetics, was also a leading biological weapons contractor, for the military and the CIA by 1969. With military and White House influence, no one would dare declare biokinetics as negligence and liability in any outbreak. Listen now to the voice of the world's leading vaccine expert, doctor Maurice Hilleman, chief of the Merck Pharmaceutical Company's vaccine division, relay this problem he was having with imported monkeys. He best explains the origin of AIDS, But what you are about to hear was cut from any public disclosures. Speaker 1: And I think that vaccines have to be considered the The bargain basement technology for the 20th century. Speaker 2: Fifty years ago, when Morris Tilleman was a high school student in Miles City, Montana. He hoped he might qualify as a management trainee for the local JCPenney store. Instead, he went on to pioneer more breakthroughs in vaccine research and development than anyone in the history of American medicine. Among the discoveries he made at Merck are vaccines for mumps, rubella, and measles. Speaker 3: Tell me, how you found SV 40 and the polio vaccine. Speaker 1: Well, that was a Merck thing. Yeah. I came to Merck, and I was going to develop vaccines. And we had wild viruses in those days. Wild monkey kidney viruses and so forth. And I finally, after 6 months, gave up. I said that you cannot develop vaccines with these damn monkeys. We're we're finished, and if I can't do something about it, I'm gonna quit. Mhmm. I'm gonna try it. Mhmm. So I went down to see Bill Nann at The zoo in Washington, DC, and and I told Bill Nanna, I said, look. Here's a I got a problem. I don't know what the hell we're doing. Bill Mann is a very bright guy. I said these lousy monkeys are picking it up and while being stored in the airports in transit with these loading, offloading, he said. It's very simple. He said, you go ahead. Get your monkeys out of West Africa. Get the African green. Bring them into Madrid. One load them there. There are no other traffic through there for animals, fly them into Philadelphia, pick them up, or fly them into New York and pick them up right off the airplane. So I brought African Greens, and I didn't know we were importing AIDS virus at the time. Speaker 3: And when it was To you, we have to save virus. I don't know. It was you, we have to save virus. We have to It became historic. It became historical. Speaker 4: Verbal due to the overbangs. So Speaker 1: what he did, He he brought in I mean, we brought in those monkeys. Now we had those. So this was the solution Because those monkeys didn't have the wild viruses, but we had all these Speaker 3: Why didn't the greens have the wild viruses since they came back after? Speaker 1: Because they weren't, well, they weren't They weren't being infected in these group holding things with all the other 40 different viruses. But they had Speaker 3: the ones they brought from the jungle, Yeah. Speaker 1: They had those, but there were relatively few. What what you do is you have a gang housing, you're gonna have an epidemic Transmission of infection in a confined space. Speaker 5: Oh, it's not that bad. Speaker 1: So, anyway, the Greens came in. Now we had these, and then we're we're taking our seed stocks to clean them up, and god, now I'm discovering new viruses. So I said, shoot, that's priest. Well, I got an invitation from his sister Kinney Foundation, you know, which was the opposing Foundation. You know, it was the live virus. Alright. Yeah. They they jumped on the savings bandwagon. Mhmm. And they asked me to come down and give a talk I had a sister Kenny Foundation meeting, and I said it was an international meeting. I was like, god. What am I gonna talk about? I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna talk about the detection of nondetectable viruses as a topic. Speaker 6: There were those Who didn't want a live virus vaccine. They concentrated. National Federation for Infantile Paralysis concentrated all its efforts on getting more and more people to use the killed virus vaccine while they were supporting me for research on the live virus Speaker 1: So now I gotta have something, you know, that's gonna attract attention. Uh-huh. So I thought, gee, that damn STD 40 I mean, that that damn that vacuuming the agents that we have. I'm gonna just pick that particular one. Mhmm. That virus has got to be in in vaccines, and, It's gonna be in the Sabin's vaccine, so I quickly tested it. Sure enough, it was in there, and we'll be down. So now, so I'll go ahead and Speaker 3: So you just took stocks of Sabin's vaccine off the shelf here at Merck? Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that had not been made at Merck it was made at Merck Speaker 3: You were making it for Sabin at Yeah. Speaker 1: It was made before I came. Speaker 3: Yeah. But at this point, Sabin is still just doing these massive field trials. Mhmm. Okay. Speaker 1: In Russia and so forth. So I go down. I talked about the the detection of non tech first, and I told Albert Speaker 3: But at this point, Sabin is still just doing these massive field trials. Speaker 1: Mhmm. Okay. In Russia and so forth. So I go down. I talked about the, the detection of non tech I told Albert. I said, listen, Albert. I said, you know, you and I are good friends. But I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna go down there. You're gonna get I'm gonna talk about a virus that's in your vaccine. If you're gonna get rid of the virus, don't worry about it. You're gonna get rid of it. But, So, of course, Hunter was very upset with me. What did he say? Well, he said basically that this This is just another obfuscation that is going to upset vaccines. And I said, well, you know, you're absolutely right. And I said, we have a new era here. We have a new era of the Protection. And the important thing is to get rid of these viruses. Speaker 3: Why would he call it an obfuscation if it was a virus Speaker 1: that was contaminated? Because we well, there are 48 different viruses in these vaccines, anyway, that we were inactivating. And, but Speaker 3: you weren't activating the That's correct. Speaker 1: No. That's right. But yellow fever vaccine had leukemia virus in it, and, you know, this is in the days of Very crude science. So, anyway, I went down and talked to him, and I always said, well, why are you concerned about it? I said, well, tell Speaker 3: me about it. Speaker 1: I said, I have a feeling in my bones that this virus is different. I I don't know why to tell you this, but I've been around biology a long time. I just think this virus may have some long term effects. Mhmm. And he said, what? Cancer. Speaker 6: I love it. Speaker 3: I love it. Go ahead. Yeah. Speaker 1: No. I said, Albert, I said, you you probably think I'm nuts, but Speaker 3: I just have that feeling. Well, in the Speaker 1: meantime, we had taken this virus person Speaker 3: put it into monkey and into hamsters. Speaker 1: Uh-huh. So we had this meeting, and that was started the topic of the day, and the jokes that were going around was, gee, we would win the Olympics because, the The Russians went on. They loaded down these tumors. This is where the vaccine was being tested. This was this was Yeah. Right. Understand. Right. So, it'd be really destroyed. Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it was a big image. Yeah. Right. Speaker 1: So this sort of a topic. Anyway Speaker 3: Was this the Cancer Society meeting in the New York, kind Speaker 1: of time? This was the, Speaker 3: sister Kenny. Oh, it's sister Kenny. Right. Speaker 1: And, Del Becco he said, that he saw problems with these kinds of agents. Speaker 3: Why didn't this get out in the press? Speaker 1: Well, I guess it did. I don't remember. We had no press release. I mean, obviously, you don't go up. This is a scientific affair within Speaker 7: An historic victory over a dread disease has dramatically unfolded at the University of Michigan. Here, scientists usher in a new medical age with the monumental reports that prove the Salk vaccine against crippling polio to be a sensational success. It's a day of triumph for 40 year old doctor Jonas e Salk, developer of the vaccine. He arrives with Basil O'Connor, head of the National Foundation For Infantile Paralysis, which Finance the tests. Hundreds of reporters and scientists from all over the nation gather for the momentous announcement. Speaker 6: It was too much of a show. There was too much Hollywood, there was too much exaggeration, and the impression in 1957 that was no. In 1954, that was given was that the problem had been solved, polio had been conquered. Speaker 1: But, anyway, we know it was the virus seed stock for making the vaccine. Vaccine. Mhmm. That virus, you see, is 1 in 10,000 particles is not inactivated by fermata. It was good science at the time because that was what you did. You didn't worry about these wild viruses. Speaker 3: So you discovered it wasn't being inactivated in the salt factory? Speaker 1: So then, the next thing we know is 3, 4 weeks after that, and I found that there were tumors popping out of these hamsters. Speaker 0: Despite AIDS and leukemia suddenly becoming pandemic from wild viruses. Hilleman said this was good science at that time. So imagine what bad science might yield, science directed for profit and population control by the military medical petrochemical pharmaceutical cartel. Speaker 5: In 1992, an independent journalist Tom Curtis published an article with unexpected consequences. Speaker 8: I had a source in California, an AIDS treatment activist, who, sent me a packet of, clips one day saying, this is a bombshell story waiting for an investigative reporter. What what I had been sent was a couple of documents, saying, well, it's all very well and good to talk about these bizarre tribal rituals or other possible explanations of the cause of AIDS, but it is a fact that the virus, the monkey virus SV 40, was transmitted to millions of people across the world. And, and they sort of planted the suggestion that something similar might have happened, with AIDS. Speaker 5: This revelation was a bombshell. Tom Curtis speculated that if during the fifties, polio vaccines were contaminated with the monkey virus, s s v forty. Something similar could have happened with AIDS. SIV, the ancestor of the AIDS virus, is also a monkey virus. And Curtis connected this fact to a mass polio vaccination campaign in the Congo. Speaker 8: It looked at The polio campaign that doctor Koprowski had, undertaken in the former Belgian Congo In the middle to late 19 fifties, and, I did focus on that campaign because of certain geographic similarities to Where scientists were saying AIDS had, begun in the human population, which was in this same region. Speaker 5: And this particular region of Africa is the epicenter of the AIDS epidemic. Curtis' hypothesis jolted the scientific community because it implicated one of its own, Hilary Koprowski, a renowned researcher and pioneer in the fight against polio. Speaker 9: There was a a tremendous feeling in the scientific community That they were somehow endangered. If you had journalists writing articles in the Rolling Stone, My god. What about our dignity? So there was a lot of concern from that viewpoint. There was a lot of concern that it was written by a person who was a professional journalist and that they were afraid that people would no longer immunize their children against polio. Speaker 5: How could a simian virus possibly contaminate a vaccine? Curtis's argument was extremely serious because it put in question the manufacturing of polio vaccine, one of modern medicine's greatest triumphs. To understand what could have happened, we have to return to the polio years. In 1958, America was beginning to recover from a scourge that had haunted it for more than 50 years, polio. The disease is still incurable at the time, paralyzed and killed, 90,000,000 Americans were vaccinated in one of the largest mass vaccination campaigns ever. Polio vaccine, one of modern medicine's greatest successes, Made its inventor, Jonas Salk, a hero. Speaker 7: 164,000,000 Americans do say nothing of all the other people in the world that'll profit from Speaker 10: your discount. Speaker 5: But polio vaccine had one distinctive feature. It was the first to be derived from monkey organs. Mass commercialization began and gave rise to the development of an enormous market for monkeys used both as test animals and as raw material from which to create the polio vaccine. Entire shipments of macaque arrived in America from India and the Philippines. Speaker 9: To make primary cultures of monkey kidneys, You needed monkey kidneys. You needed flasks or bottles. You needed culture medium, And this was usually supplemented with fetal calf serum or with horse serum, which was used Extensively. And, you were in business. 1 obtains a piece of tissue, And, then one divides it. And the way you divide it is you first of all, in the crudest sense, you take a pair of scissors, And you snip, snip, snip, snip, snip until you have a suspension of cells that is Relatively crude. That is there are lumps and bumps in there. Put them into the flasks. Let them settle down and make a multilayer of cells. Add poliovirus, and then you would collect the liquid from the cultures, Filter out the cells, remove the cell remains, and then you would have a virus suspension. Then you could Kill it with formaldehyde, put it into bottles, and call it polio vaccine. That was it. So trying to get entirely pure cultures as primary cultures is very difficult. You can have a culture of monkey kidney cells that looks to be very pure. But if you Look at those on the surface or if you stain them or you look with a special microscope, you can see that there are other cell types present in there. Speaker 5: And other viruses could have infected these other cells. Driven to eradicate 1 disease, we risked creating another. Scientists and governmental organizations knew this. The powerful Food and Drug Administration was aware of the risks but kept the information hidden. Speaker 10: It was the researcher, Venice Eddy, At the Food and Drug Administration, who first had indications that these viruses existed, and Her findings were essentially suppressed. There is a lot of inner discussion within, FDA, of her taking examples of mouse tumors to her supervisors, And they're seemingly being biased against the possibility that this could be a nasty virus. She did, however, present her work at a New York meeting To which again she was criticized for doing that. Subsequently, doctor Sweet and doctor Hilleman found the same virus, having heard about it, And, named it SV 40. Speaker 5: During this same period, The terminology for these monkey viruses was established and published in the medical literature. SV 40 was only the 40th virus in a very long list. Speaker 9: We should have stopped using monkey kidney tissues, I think, for virus production in 1960, and we've continued to do so. The drug companies are the ones who really determine this. They have developed facilities. They develop processes that would cost them a lot of money if they had to do it a different way. The thing that makes me physically angry Is the fact that we now have the genetic ability to make synthetic polio vaccine from recombinant proteins and we are not doing that we continue to take ground up monkey parts and inject them into children. Speaker 5: Using monkeys to manufacture vaccines was and still remains dangerous. Curtis' basis for his theory was correct. Polio vaccines at the time were contaminated with a monkey virus, But that didn't explain the appearance of AIDS. Curtis proposed that Koprowski made his vaccine using a monkey other than the macaque, The African green monkey. But this was a mistake. The African green monkey does carry an IV. But this is not the direct ancestor of HIV one, our AIDS virus. Speaker 9: Hillary Koprowski felt that his honor had been filed and that he had been done serious injury. The Rolling Stone folded under And publicly apologize for having published the article. And that was, as they say, that for the time being. Speaker 8: I thought, you know, people should think for themselves, evaluate the evidence, decide. And mostly, I thought they should simply test the vaccine to find out whether this theory had merit or not, because theories are the way scientific knowledge advances. And even theories that turn out not to be true help advance scientific knowledge. So I felt it was a legitimate question, And I felt a little bit under siege by the medical community and, and some in the science press and so on who were Acting like I was an apostate. You know? Speaker 5: Hilary Koprowski, the man Curtis had attacked, is a well known and respected scientist, a pioneer of research into rabies and polio. He is also an expert on cancer and AIDS. Back in the polio years, Hilary Koprowski was a young Polish researcher. Brilliant and ambitious, he was determined to make a name for himself in his newly adopted country, The USA. In 1950, he secretly tested his first prototype of a live oral polio vaccine On 20 handicapped children at Letchworth Village in New York state. When the scientific community learned that Hilary Koprowski was experimenting on human beings, it was a scandal, even though the test was deemed to have done no harm. The community's condemnation of Koprowski's secret research led to the loss of official support for his work with preference shifting to Jonas Salk's injected polio vaccine, but Koprowski refused to quit. With the support of a large pharmaceutical company, Lederle, he proceeded to test different versions of his oral polio vaccine on small groups of human subjects, 52 at Sonoma, 53 at Letchworth Village, 54 at Woodbine, and 55 at Clinton Farms. A tragic event lent him unexpected support. On April 23, 1955, 260 children injected with Salk's vaccine became sick. 11 died. The investigation showed that some of the Salk vaccine lots were defective. Confidence in Salk's injected vaccine was shaken, clearing the way for Koprowski to assert himself. Speaker 9: One hand, you had Albert Sabin who looked on this as an enormous challenge. On the other hand, Hillary Approached it from the standpoint that, yes, this was a challenge. Yes, this was a medical problem. Yes. It was gonna be interesting to solve it. And, yes, we'll go off and do it by whatever means that are available to us that are illegal. So you have these 2 conflicting individuals who are all working towards the same goal, And it's, one of the great dramas of modern times of how they interacted and how they worked. They were willing to go and take, subjects who may or may not have been informed of what they were doing, they were able they were willing to go, to the backside of the moon if it meant that they could find out whether or not they had a viable product. Speaker 5: To win this race, they have to test. And to test, they need the largest possible population of nonimmunized people, something no longer available in America. The first to prove the reliability and safety of his vaccine will be the winner. Sabin makes a secret deal with his native country, the USSR, where he will vaccinate more than 6,000,000 people in Latvia, Estonia and Kazakhstan. Koprowski chooses an African country, the Belgian Congo, a long standing possession of King Leopold and the jewel of his colonial empire. Because of the Congo's uranium mines, Commercial accords had existed between America and Belgium since the 2nd World War. This was also a country with one of Africa's best organized and most modern health care infrastructures. The Efficient Organization of Medical Records made the local population extremely suitable for experimentation. Speaker 4: Return to political quiet After the recent disturbances, Leopoldville engages in an all out fight against infantile paralysis, crowding every clinic with mothers and their children. The latter to receive orally administered shots of a new vaccine against the scourge of childhood. It is a live virus preparation developed in the United States by Philadelphia's doctor Hillary Koprowski. And it differs from our famed soft vaccine in that it does away with injections. It must taste Good if the children's receptivity to it is a criterion. Speaker 9: Hillary Koprowski went to the Congo and took people who had been abused, mistreated, and had been the victims of, If you wanna put it that way, of colonial expansion for nearly a 100 years and use them. The ethics of that, I don't think occurred to anyone at the time. The opportunity was there. It was legal. It was allowed by the Belgian government. They went in and did their job, and that was it. No big deal. Speaker 5: Sabin and Koprowski They conducted their experiments at the same time with the same type of vaccine. No AIDS cases were detected in Russia, But in the Congo, the first known HIV infections surfaced a couple of years after the start of the vaccinations. Was it coincidental, or was there, as Curtis suggested, something different with Koprowski's vaccine? To get a definitive answer, Curtis had tried to get the vaccine used in the Congo tested, something Cecil Fox had wanted to do in 1985. Speaker 9: When I went to the Food and Drug Administration as a government employee to ask if I could obtain Early lots of polio vaccine to test for the presence of sequences or presence of viruses in them. I was told that they didn't exist. Well, I was told they did exist, but something happened, and then they didn't exist. And they were unavailable to me. I could not get them. I could not find them. There was no way I could go through and find out what they had in their freezers. I was told by other people that all of that work had already been done, and it was not true. Now I had to take that on faith. I did not believe them. So, because I work for the government, I had to kind of let it day where it was, I could not pursue it more energetically. Speaker 5: Why wasn't Cecil Fox able to gain access to the Congo polio samples, maybe because in 1958, Albert Sabin analyzed Koprowski's vaccine, Called CHAT and found it to be unstable and contaminated by an unknown virus, which he called virus X. He told Koprowski about the findings. The response was immediate. Dear Albert, I have carefully considered your extraordinary letter of November 17th with its even more extraordinary enclosures. Like you, I am trying to put myself in your position, but I cannot imagine for a moment that I would dismiss 10 years of work by another investigator With 1 airy wave of an inter spinal needle. I'm also sure that you are familiar with the maxim of La Rochefoucauld. Sabin replied, Sir, your letter of December 1st does not merit a reply. It is clear that dispassionate analysis and discourse are impossible with you. Sarcasm and invectives do not take the place of reproducible facts in science. Farewell, my one time friend and colleague. Koprowski's CHAT vaccine was, therefore, less safe than claimed and possibly even contaminated. Sabin decided to make his findings public. In June 1960, his vaccine, Deemed more reliable was chosen to replace Salk's. Koprowski lost the race, but ironically, Sabin's vaccine wasn't perfect either. Like Salk's, It was contaminated by the macaque monkey virus, SV 40. Hamilton believed that immensely powerful medical and pharmaceutical interests play a huge role in science. Because these institutions are preoccupied with ever greater profits, scientists bear the responsibility to guard against potential dangers to society that they might find in the course of their research. Speaker 11: The idea that this great triumph, and it certainly was a wonderful triumph of defeating polio was accompanied by a disaster as big as AIDS. And, obviously, it knocks you off your, plenty of success to have to admit that this even might have happened, let alone that it actually did happen. And I seem to encounter this every time I I talk to people who are connected with medical science. They just don't want to hear about this this theory. Speaker 12: Is there a possibility here scientists simply don't want to know, don't want to accept perhaps at least the moral, if not the legal liability for What has been done for the AIDS virus? Speaker 11: I feel that this is so and it's one of the most worrying aspects of the case. I feel it's not only, the origin of AIDS that is in question here. It is the conduct of science Towards this hypothesis, which has been one of almost paranoid rejection, I would say. I think I would not exaggerate To describe it as medical science's worst hated hypothesis, and there seems to be a great reluctance to publish Anything about it or to test any of the available evidence that could be more directly tested. Speaker 5: For Bill Hamilton, there was a 95% possibility that the theory would prove valid, So he decided to leave for the Congo with Ed Hooper to follow-up on the chimpanzees. In a letter he sent to the British Science Academy, the prestigious Royal Society, he wrote. Speaker 13: It's inspired by the extraordinary fact But despite a very plausible hypothesis that the human version of the AIDS virus first took off in humans From chimpanzees and exactly the Upper Congo area, no one has been there to collect samples for analysis for SIVs, But we hope to collect and bring back faeces in alcohol from as many chimps and bonobos as we can approach. Speaker 5: Bill Hamilton returned to the Congo to collect samples. During that second visit, he contracted malaria and died in March 2000. Speaker 14: He went to Africa. He died because of his 2nd trip to Africa. What was his 2nd trip to Africa? Collecting chimpanzee stools because we know that you can get from chimpanzee stools, you can amplify out genetic material. And this was a way of because we're not allowed to shoot chimpanzees for, obviously, I mean, as Chris is. And this is the substitute, so you're getting chimps here. Look, You can say Bill Hammond was ethereal. He was, had these odd ideas. He was this, and he was that. But what was the guy doing? Collecting data. Data collecting. So he knew very well that maybe it was a you could say it was a wacky theory. It was a possible idea, And he knew the only way to resolve it was by getting data. So you have this remarkable sort of figure, Comes up with some wacky ideas. Comes up with some brilliant ideas. Bigger scientist than I. But what was he doing? Scientific method. Speaker 5: Before his trip to Africa, Hamilton had asked the Royal Society to stage a debate on the origins of AIDS. After he died, Robin Weiss and Simon Wayne Hobson, the remaining co organizers, decided to go ahead with the conference. The scientific stakes were huge. There would be a chance for a debate between the supporters of the cut hunter theory and oral polio vaccine theory. It would be the first time in the history of the Royal Society that a nonscientist was allowed to debate with some of the most respected experts in their fields. Speaker 13: When I arrived at the conference that morning, I was feeling I was feeling quite nervous, I I freely admit. I didn't know what to expect. I never even attended a scientific conference of this type before. So I walked in there with my sheaves of notes and my speech prepared, and, I Had made a decision before I arrived that if the theory was was fairly dealt with by the scientific community, That at the end of the conference, if I had the opportunity, I was gonna stand up from the floor and commend the scientists present on their openness and honesty And say that I felt at this stage, it was time for me as an investigator, who who was originally a journalist back in the eighties, To withdraw from the debate, to make the materials that I collected available to the scientists if they wish to use them, But to withdraw from the debate and leave it to them to take it from there. Speaker 15: And why is the theory so hated? Well, most of all, of course, because it suggests the west gave Africa AIDS. But its critics say it also undermines confidence in vaccination, so it jeopardizes the campaign to eradicate polio. It blackens the reputation of a man hailed as a hero, Hillary Kebrowski, And it also shows how dangerous animal viruses can be, and that threatens research on using animal organs for human transplants. Speaker 16: I am not to defend myself. Hooper is to defend himself. Certainly, this meeting is very welcome. I think it's a good meeting. It's an unusual meeting. A journalist presents a hypothesis without facts and here come the scientists and give him all the scientific facts. Speaker 14: We need you simply to get the protagonists together. This means get the protagonists together, not have some sort of whitewash where you get sort of, Discuss it here. You've get the get the people. Get Koprowski and Hooper in the same room Chain exchanging comments. Speaker 3: I think we're gonna have, a real debate today. I think it's gonna be a worthwhile debate. Speaker 13: I don't think it's between Koprowski and myself. I think it's, about something far more important than that. Speaker 16: To whom? Speaker 15: To who? To who? To who? Speaker 16: I'm not talking to him. I'm talking The audience are Speaker 5: focused. When Hooper arrived at the conference, he did not know that the die had already been Speaker 14: And we did that over that OPV conference again. Huge amount of criticism from my colleagues, huge amount of criticism from our colleagues. But I think that it launched the abscess And I don't think Cooper could prove his case. And I think our subsequent work shows that it doesn't fit. But it could have. Robin was right. He was a cloche butt. It didn't? Speaker 5: From the start of the conference, arguments were piled up against Hooper's theory. Even the date HIV emerged among humans was challenged with theoretical calculations that it already existed in 1931, long before the Congo vaccinations took place. But the final blow was an announcement that samples of CHAT vaccine had been located, tested, and contained no trace of HIV, SIV, Or chimp DNA. The conclusions were final and left little room for Hooper to respond. Speaker 1: Mister Hooper has used the word smoking guns. There is no gun. There is no bullet. There is no shooter. There is no motive. There is only smoke Created by mister Hooper. Speaker 13: I think the smokescreen that has appeared today has been a smokescreen from the people who made the vaccine. Speaker 5: This dramatic turn of events had eliminated the oral polio vaccine theory from the scientific debate on the origins of AIDS. Speaker 17: This did offend Ed Hooper because he was clearly the underdog at the meeting. But science is a very cruel culture. We go by evidence. And although we may be fooled In our interpretation, we may fool ourselves in misinterpreting evidence. In the end, Hard evidence wins the day. Speaker 14: Science is not like is not democratic in that respect. It's not like, well, you have the you have Your opinion, and I have mine, and we agree to differ. In science, you have your theory, and I have my hypothesis. If I can kill your hypothesis, I can kill your hypothesis. Your hypothesis doesn't exist. I can wipe it out. It's it's not Appreciate it, hun. Scientists are making hypotheses every day, and they're breaking them. We call it hypothesis breaking. Hypothesis making and hypothesis breaking. And we break more hypotheses than we make. Speaker 5: But the scientific evidence that signaled the death knell for the polio vaccine theory Still needed to be re examined. Exactly what was tested? Speaker 17: The actual samples That were used in the Congo between late 1957 and the beginning of 1960, of course, don't exist anymore, they were used. But one of the samples tested was the very same lot of virus as Hooper thinks is by far the most likely to have been contaminated, that was used in the Congo, the CHAT 10 A 11. Speaker 5: Are these really the same samples? Speaker 17: And this was discovered Here in the UK, who had received it in 1981 from the State Serum Institute in Stockholm, Who in turn had received it from the Wistau Institute around the time it was made. But and it was sealed and had never been opened. Speaker 5: The very organizer of the Royal Society Conference admits that samples of the CHAT vaccine used in the Congo no longer exist. So for this sample that remains sealed since it was made in Koprowski's laboratory, all one can say for certain is that it was never used in the Congo. In all scientific rigor, how can it be used as the decisive proof against the oral polio vaccine theory? Speaker 9: This was another event in which the scientists eventually conjoined and Had a public lynching in London for the Royal Society in which they once again claimed to have laid rest to the idea that's a very good question. There are still great gaping holes in their story. Speaker 13: I don't I have I see no evidence Of people examining the cells from the different monkeys they were using for the final passage to see whether They had any contraindications for humans. It was an extraordinary lapse, and everyone was doing it. Speaker 5: Between 1957 and 1959, 1,000,000 people received experimental vaccine. These trials were criticized by the World Health Organization. In a confidential letter dated November 11, 1958, one of its members wrote, The Belgian Congo trial was, in my opinion, an excellent example of how such large scale studies Should not be carried out. Speaker 13: It would be absolutely unfair if Responsibility for this this sequence of events, for the making of the vaccine in chimpanzee cells, was to fall solely on the shoulders of Paul Osterreeth. He was the corporal or sergeant, but we must look for the generals here. His boss, Gilane Courtois, the head of the medical laboratory in Stanleyville, Clearly approved this course of action. There's no doubt about that. And just a few months before he began making the vaccine in chimp cells, Osterath was being trained in tissue culture techniques At the Wistar Institute, he was called there at the specific request of Hilary Koprowski. The person with overall responsibility For this sequence of events, without a doubt, is doctor Koprowski. Without his approval, without his direction, this Sequence of events would not have taken place. Speaker 16: I have no knowledge about it. I don't think the Belgians have knowledge about it. You should stake his evidence with grain of salt. Speaker 15: I mean, is it is it possible that that that this was done without you knowing, that chimpanzee kidneys were used without you knowing about it? Speaker 16: No. There was no possibility to do something like that. Speaker 5: Can we be satisfied with such an answer When it is not backed up by any proof nor any studies, can we forget that 1,000,000 people received an experimental vaccine that may be linked to the origins of the AIDS pandemic. From our inquiry in the Congo, Thanks to our witnesses and Ed Hooper's documents, we have discovered how the Stanleyville laboratory could produce the CHAT vaccine. It would have been perfectly normal, but the Lindy camp was something unique in the fact that its chimpanzees were used in producing the vaccine. But does this resolve the question of the origins of AIDS? Final proof can only be the testing of a vaccine sample actually used in the Congo, but until now, none has been found. As long as the key actors of this story keep silent, there will always be a doubt. During the inauguration of the Stanleyville laboratory in 1957, Koprowski made a speech about his polio research. The last sentence is foreboding. With these facts in mind, we must conclude that the price that each of us is asked To pay at this time in order to safeguard the comfort of future generations is, in truth, negligible. 3 years after the Royal Society conference, where are we? The main scientific argument used to destroy the oral polio vaccine hypothesis, the dating of the HIV virus to the 19 thirties, has been challenged by new studies. The true scientific debate on the origins of AIDS Today, most governments are cutting research funding, leaving pharmaceutical companies to establish their own medical priorities with limited public oversight. Contaminated blood, mad cow disease, and the emergence of new, unexplained diseases are only a few examples pointing to the fact that little has changed. As Bill Hamilton warned, If the relationship between pharmaceutical groups and science is not challenged, other catastrophes may already be in the making. Speaker 18: As a consequence of these unfortunate events associated with the use of primary monkey kidney cells in the early sixties And the emergence of approximately 20 or 30, viruses and different viruses found in the cells and the necessity for tests to exclude them and all of the other, efforts in this regard. The, my proposal of using norm My normal human cell strains for this purpose, in particular, WI 26, which became widely for experiments that addressed this problem. The, There occurred another event that was even of greater consequence, and that was that in efforts To explore the use of other monkey species for vaccine development And manufacture, and hopefully to find a species that lack these dangerous viruses. The Maurice Hilleman at Merck And by the name of Benjamin Sweet, did experiments. I believe it was with the green monkey, sarcopithecus aetiops, which revealed something very interesting. I won't go through the technology in in which this was discovered. It's rather detailed and Irrelevant other than the conclusion, and the conclusion was that green monkey cells, yielded a result implying that a new virus was present in the cells from from Pheresis and cynomolgus monkeys that had very strange properties, And they called this virus, I believe they were the ones who named it, SV 40. All of the viruses found in monkey kidney were given the name SV, standing for simian virus, and they were numbered. This one then received the number 40. And about the same time, Events were occurring that would link with this observation in And, at the National Institutes of Health, there was a woman scientist who was working in the, What's called the division of biologic standards, which at that time was the unit at the NIH, not at the FDA. They were not at the FDA that time. This unit was at the NIH, and its its purpose was to approve or disapprove vaccines for sale in the United States. It was called the DBS, standing for the Division of Biologics Standards. It was run by a man by the name of Roderick Murray. He was actually a South African by birth, A rather conservative figure. And, in one of his labs, this woman scientist, whose name hopefully will surface in a minute or 2, was in the process of testing vaccines submitted for approval. And in the course of her research, and again, I won't go into the technical details, she inoculated Some of the vaccine preparations sent for testing and approval into hamster cheek pouches. The hamster has cheek pouches in which it stores its food for later consumption or storage, so it packs its cheeks with these Food particles. The cheek pouch is a particularly interesting organ because it's it has, Very little in the way of immunity. And consequently, it Can grow things that ordinarily would not grow in other tissues, and so it's a very useful organ. The lady's name is Bernice Eddy, e d d y. Bernice, who I was Who I know well, at that time, inoculated polio preparations into the cheek pouch of hamsters and discovered that tumors were produced, which was quite alarming. Later Developments, and these have developments occurred rather quickly, showed that that the virus that there was a virus involved And that the virus was the same one discovered by Sweden Hilliman at Merck called SV 40. And SV 40 has the alarming capability not only of producing tumors in the cheek pouch of hamsters, But worst of all, when introduced into cell cultures of human cells, frequently causes them to transform into cell lines or cancer cells. Obviously, very obvious, probably the worst calamity you can think of. Furthermore, by this time, in the early sixties, the Salk vaccine had been approved and widely used. Sabin's vaccine, I believe, was just also being used in many countries, including the US. And it was easy to learn that several 1000000 people worldwide had received those vaccines that contained at no extra cost SV 40 virus.
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Former big pharma director, John Virapen, reveals bribery of Swedish government to sell controversial drugs. Beware of big pharma's deceptive practices. Check out the video for more insights.

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Former big pharma director, John Virapen, describes bribing the Swedish government to approve the sale of controversial drugs. Big pharma is not your friend. Remember that when people urge you to "do your part for society" and get vaccinated. https://t.co/xWyJFSfb9y

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General practitioners, including the speaker, were prescribing psychotropic drugs to children. The European Medical Association planned to approve Prozac for children, and Ritalin was already being prescribed. The speaker realized the consequences of their actions, as people were dying from medication they had bribed the Swedish government to legalize. The speaker regrets their involvement, especially considering Sweden's reputation as a transparent country with the Nobel Prize of Medicine. The speaker's American friends emphasized the importance of obtaining Prozac registration in Sweden for prestige and career advancement.
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Speaker 0: I found out also that general practitioners just like this woman and other doctors were prescribing psychotropic drugs to children. Shortly after that, I read in an article that was posted from, the European Medical Association that they were going to approve The drug Prozac to give to children. Seisfluktine in, in, Deutschland. They were already prescribing another one called Ritalin. Now I started to see red And I all the memories, all the memories from the 1st day I joined the company as a salesman, It all started to come back and I started seeing shadows at night. People dying from taking medication that was legalized because I had bribed the Swedish government to get the Sulasom for Prozac in Sweden. Now can you imagine that? Sweden is reputedly one of the cleanest, Most transparent countries in the world, they have the Nobel Prize of Medicine. And what I didn't think of at the time, the Americans, my friends were talking about them. Sorry, Jim. They loved the prestige of the Nobel Prize. That is why it was important for them to get the registration of Prozac in Sweden. That was one of the major things that I did because the company told me your career may depend on it.

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Former salesman for big pharma, John Virapen, discusses the egregious business practices and horrors of big pharma. It's in par with what @calleymeans and @DiedSuddenly_ have been trying to warn us about! Great listen if you have the time! https://t.co/f9hafLZnpc

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The speaker, who used to work in the pharmaceutical industry, criticizes the industry for prioritizing profit over people's health. He shares his own experiences of being involved in corruption and unethical practices. He highlights the lack of transparency and the influence of the industry on doctors and politicians. He also discusses the overprescription of medication to children, particularly psychotropic drugs, and the harmful effects they can have. The speaker calls for public awareness and action to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable and protect the health of future generations.
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Speaker 0: What makes me even more happy is that I see a lot of children around here. Now I have dedicated my life or whatever is left of it to the children of the future. Because I have spent 35 years of my life working in an industry, the pharmaceutical industry and they do nothing but annihilate the population of this world. And why do they do that? Because they wanna make money money money money money. They don't care about your lives, they only care about their wallets. Now whatever I tell you here today is not something that I dreamed about or observed somewhere it's something that I have done myself. I have been just as criminal as they are my hands are just as dirty as these people. Now all of you sitting here, answer me a question. When you go to the doctor he looks at you, stethoscope, laboratory tests, machine tests, those tests by the way is to make money. Then he tells you you're sick. Here's a prescription. Go to the pharmacy and take this medicine, 1 tablet, 3 times a day. Speaker 1: What do you Speaker 0: do? Tell me. They don't throw it away. All of you here, you go to the pharmacy and you get your medicine and you take it like the good citizen. But when you go to the car company to buy a car you ask the salesman questions. If you don't get what you want you don't buy the car. So why don't you ask the doctor what is it he's giving you? The reason I'm telling you this is because only you have the power to stop these criminals with what they're doing in the pharma industry because you are not sick people, you are consumers, you are consumers. And the pharma industry makes money because they tell everybody that you are sick. Now you can ask me the question why have you been doing this then? There are several reasons and I'm not making any excuses. I was a I was colored, I was young, I'm still colored. I got scared last night when the good doctor over here told me I look a little pale. I said, yeah, but she fixed it. It's okay. Well, at least up till now it's coming. Anyway, the reason was that I was young, I was a colored man in the white world, I had to survive. The pharma industry gave me a good job and I felt that I was in medicine because that's what I studied. So I started as a salesman. As a salesman, so I had a good salary. I had the car, the expense account, and as I moved up in my career where I eventually became a director for a company, in Sweden, the the affiliate company of one of the largest and most evil pharma corporations in the world, Eli Lilly and Company, you may have heard of them. They're evil and actually I can say that because I was part of the evil. So in those days the money I've been around the world. You asked me all the top hotels in the world. You asked me about all the big airports in the world, gourmet restaurants, I had a golden key to the wine cellar of the the opera seller in Stockholm, Sweden. The opera seller is where the Nobel people have dinner. I mean, you can go in that restaurant. Well, the princess Christina was sitting next to me at another table the other One time. So all of this was offered to me on a plate. So just like Eva gave Adam the apple, I had an apple too. Anyway, to make a long story short, I had a career. I did a lot of bad things. Sure. They fired me. I started my own company, worked for several other pharma companies, big ones, world players. Then I met a German woman 15 years ago and she said I have to come to live in Germany because she's not gonna move to Florida. And I said okay, so I came to Germany, I retired, officially retired. I played golf. Speaker 1: You have golfers in Germany Speaker 0: and I relax myself that I had a heart attack, then I had a second heart attack and now I can't get no heart attack anymore. I have a titanium battery right here. So I can drop here today and my heart would still beat. That's just a joke. Anyway, no, it's not a joke. I have a pacemaker, but I mean the whole anyway, somebody, the power, I don't know, some people say god, some people say Jesus, some people say this, I call it the power, the almighty power blessed me and my wife with a child. I was 62 years old. This child is now 4a half. Now when this child was born, he went to the pediatrician after the 6 months to a year they make a checkup. The doctor I checked the boy and said, yeah, he's healthy, he's fine. Now I need to give him his cocktail Fermasam. Now I had told my wife nobody, no doctor, no professor, no nobody gives my child any kind of medication unless they discuss it with me and I approve it. Now this doctor about apart from being lucky that I wasn't there, she threw my wife and child out of the clinic and said we only treat vaccinated children. When my wife came home and told me that, I considered how lucky this woman was. Because if I were there, believe me, I would have strangled her. How dare she refuse to have my child come to this clinic and she's practicing as a doctor, what happened to the Hippocrates, the oath of Hippocrates? When you become a doctor you swear the oath. The patient was first. That made me mad. So I researched this lady and I found that she was sitting in a committee or on a committee with a politician and members of the pharma company that made the INF, the vaccine. And they're propagating to the government in Germany to introduce mandatory vaccination. So I started to do some research on what's going on in Germany in the medical business. I've never worked there. I only lived there. I got my pension from Sweden by the way, I didn't, I don't get anything from the German state or anybody. I found out also that general practitioners just like this woman and other doctors were prescribing psychotropic drugs to children. Shortly after that I read in an article that was posted from, the European Medical Association that they were going to approve the drug Prozac to give to children. Says fluktine fluktine in in Schweizer in Deutschland they were already prescribing another one called Ritalin. Now, I started to see red and I all the memories, all the memories from the 1st day I joined the company as a salesman, it all started to come back and I started seeing shadows at night. People are dying from taking medication that was legalized because I had bribed the Swedish government to get this for Prozac in Sweden, now can you imagine that? Sweden is reputedly one of the cleanest, most transparent countries in the world. They have the Nobel Prize of medicine. And what I didn't think of at the time, the Americans, my friends were talking about them. Sorry Jim they loved the prestige of the Nobel prize. That is why it was important for them to get the registration of Prozac in Sweden. That was one of the major things that I did because the company told me your career may depend on it. Now I can't go through all the items of corruption I've been involved in. It's too many. I'll have to spend a couple of weeks here. But you can read about it in my book that's selling over there. It's called. It's in German and the English version last week is now as an ebook for any of you who might be interested in math, now as my colleague Reema was referring to earlier in her speech, what is the pharma industry doing to us? They are the most powerful industry in the world. They sleep in the same bed with governments. They use corruption to get what they want. Corruption involves money. They have lots and lots and lots of money and that is how they make their money. Now they also kill more people than the wars we have in the world. But long term. They punish you and then they kill you and that has to stop. We need according to the way things are today, we need the pharma industry because there are some good things out there. Sorry, Rima, I might be contradicting everything you said but there are some things there that is good but most of it is rubbish. They're not interested in curing any disease you may have. They are more interested in making you get diseases. They are interested in symptomatic treatment, they want patients who are diabetics, cardiology patients, Parkinson's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, arthrosis, because you live a long time and the drugs that you have to take, you take that for the rest of your life. So let me ask you the question. When is there anybody in here they can tell me when was the last time you heard or read that a pharma company has come with something that cures a disease. I give you €100 right now if you tell me. They don't cure anything. They make you sick. Now this company that I I talked about, the Eli Lilly and Company, remember that name. They have been doing this for years years years. 3 weeks ago, I received a mail. I get alerts on, whatever is happening in the industry from, various places. Eli Lilly and company was fined. Staff guild by the justice department in in in Pennsylvania in America, 1.4 $1,000,000 for 1 product that I have written about in this book 2 years ago that product was used to treat it was a neuroleptic, a psychodrug that was approved to be used on schizophrenics. So this company wasn't satisfied with that. They went and sold the drug to, old people's home because they say it wouldn't cost so much to be there in this home because you give them the spill and the the old people will sleep so the the workers wouldn't have any problems at night. But what they didn't figure on was that this drug had the side effects which, by the way, before it came out they had hidden under the table the side effects, a lot of people died of heart failure, kidney problems and whatever. And then there was some speculation going on because the patients that received this drug, it's called Zyprexa, the patients that receive this drug also got diabetes. And who is the largest diabetes medication producer in the world Eli Lilly and company. So speculating, speculating, so they were taken to court and they were fined it's the largest Slavgeld in the history of the nation. Now there are a couple of other companies that were fined heavily for other drugs in the pharma industry. Now these are these are huge companies but it never came out. You know why? Because the press the press works also with the pharma industry just like the government does. And I was surprised because the Germans, they say, yeah, we write about all these things and whatnot. But they didn't write about this the pharma companies use the media to implant its dirty work on you. You never get to know the truth until it's too late. You have to raise your awareness to a higher level, don't take for granted what your doctor is telling you because the doctors these days let's say during my working half of my life, they don't know much about medicine and they don't care much about their patients, they think about how much they can get paid. And this is how the pharma industry reigns, stays in power. They buy the doctors, they pick them up when they're in medical school, 4th year, 5th year, pay their tuition, train them because the doctors don't get information from anywhere else except the pharma industry. And I know because when I was a salesman, the pharma company used to tell me, never talk side effects. They taught us something called FAB, f a b, features, advantages and benefits. Don't talk about side effects, that's taboo. I also know that they hide the dangerous side effects because I was in charge of a clinical study for Fluketin or Prozac. When the doctors came rushing into my office one day because we were running a small trial in one of the largest hospitals in Stockholm. The 1st week they started a trial, 2 of the patients tried to commit suicide and this is a major side effect of these psychotropic drugs, they call them the SSRIs, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. That's a long fancy it's called akathisia. The pharma industry by law is not obliged to give out information like that. Their friends in Washington made sure of that. Do you know that George Bush's father I was on the board of directors of Eli Lilly and Company. One of the, political advisers in the George Bush administration, a guy called Mitch Daniels, he was a vice president with Eli Lilly. Do you know that Rumsfeld, he was a vice president in the pharma industry. My boss, former boss, the guy who was 2 steps ahead of me. He was the vice president in London. He later became the CEO and chairman of the board of Eli Lilly and Company, he was made a member of the American Homeland Security Committee and that is because Eli Lilly and Company is one of the largest political contributors to the republican party. And all of these companies, all of them, they have a $100,000 executive walking around in Washington and saying: Hi, come to my barbecue this weekend. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the highest form of corruption. It's called lobbying. It's approved by your government. Well, I don't know which one I have. All of them the same. So who are we dealing with? What are we doing? What are we setting our children open for? Here's the good news, not for them. Sales of pharmaceuticals were dipping because when you look at the logistics of the whole thing, the baby boomers are now us. Speaker 2: Not all but, yeah. Speaker 0: Now we the baby boomers have gone into the long term treatment. You know me, you know, I got a pharmacy that's about 20 kilometers away from where I live, from my medication with special delivery. You know why? I am one of their best customers. Now the baby boomers are gonna die out in a while, then the pharma companies have to find a new consumer. That is why they have turned their attention to the children. Have you guys heard of a d h s or a d h d? Yeah? Do you know what it is? What is it? Oh, yeah. Why, it's funny, but all these years I've been in medicine, nobody can come and tell me up till now what ADHD the syndrome makes it a sickness. Since they can't prove that this is a sickness, they change the s to d calling it disorder and when it comes to that kind of disorder, for example, how do they measure serotonin in the brain a child. Speaker 1: Do you know how to do it, doctor? Speaker 0: With a Ouija board. That's such one way of doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But I don't think the the the pharma industry even knows about Ouija boards. What I'm saying is they get the psychiatrists sit down, you know, with their little bow ties. Psychiatrists, these are mad people. They might they sit every year, a few of them selected from around the world they sit in a room and they make up what they call the bible for psychiatry, the DSM. If this Bible was so good and so needed and does an exact job, why did they change this the rules in this, bible during the last few years so many thousands of times. So they're targeting the children, they're calling these new fancy diseases, they're targeting them with these drugs. Stratera, Prozac, Ritalin, Paxil, Soloft. In 2007 they had a report from the UK oh, it's a European report. Speaker 2: That's what I told you. Speaker 0: 157 people were either killed or serious side effects with this new drug Stratera. Among them was a 3 year old German girl. I find it difficult to even think or imagine that such a thing can now my problem with these people is not revenge like some of the press people I've been writing about in Germany out for revenge. No, no, I don't care about revenge. What I care about is that stop killing our children because when the politicians around the world when the politicians and all the other idiots like the psychiatrist for example. They talk about we have to save the world, the environment, the gases, Speaker 1: the green, Speaker 0: everything else, all these people with the power in their hands to do something is not doing a goddamn thing. They still try to manipulate, and now they've fixed their eyes on the kids. I don't know about you guys in here, but that's not gonna happen to my kid. Never. Never. The other thing that is very very significant, when Volvo or Mercedes or Audi they bring a series of cars on the market and something went wrong. The computer system maybe didn't doesn't function well, a brake system, something. What do they do? They bring them all in. They fix the problem and then they go back and sell it. When a pharmaceutical company brings a drug that's killing people, what happens? The stupid politicians and the authorities, they say, ah, okay. Why don't you guys go back and take a look and see what is it that's wrong and see if you can fix the problem and still sell the drug. These companies still keep on selling the drugs. And I'm not talking about miliaden pro yar. That's a lot of money. Now the company I worked for, this Lily, they said to me and all my, my comrades and and and workers, oh, we work for the betterment of the human race. We work towards getting getting their wallets $1,000,000 a day to research. That's $365,000,000 a year. Now I have been with them, that company I was with them for 10 years. So you take 365 and multiply it by 10, that's over $3,000,000,000 and they couldn't even bring out a better aspirin than they have. So they are bringing SSRIs. They are called SSRIs when they told me that this new group of drugs was coming, they said if we give it away, we will make money. That's how cheap it is to make. And Prozac, the drug that I bribed the Swedish government with to register is the 1st ever blockbuster of the pharmaceutical industry that is $1,000,000,000 a year. I have a lot more, but right now, fortunately for me, that has become my insurance. Plus I have to save a little bit for my next book. It's all coming. Hopefully, the book will be finished by the end of this year, early next year. In the meantime, I will continue to speak wherever I'm invited because I can write a 100 books if my message doesn't get to the people, to the consumers, nothing is gonna happen. We have to get out of the grip of these people. Public outcry. Public outcry brought the Berlin Wall down. Public outcry can clean the pharma industry. Just get some control, put some transparency into the business and when your politicians stop filling their pockets I start to do something, well, that's difficult. That's difficult to get politicians to do anything because they don't have anything to think with. A new journalist, new journalists out there, maybe there are some journalists out maybe there are good ones out there, but stop thinking of writing your articles that somebody is gonna buy all you're not gonna get the Pulitzer Prize anyways. It's hard to write the truth. The truth is the only weapon. And I I know because people all around, at least all around where I have been during the last year, they're waking up. I have people call me in the middle of the night. I'm sorry. I can't. All I can do is stand on a stage or write. Hopefully, you will understand and take the cloud away from your eyes, you start thinking for yourselves and don't let the pharma industry think for you. And here's a here's a little tip to all you young people. Really older ones. I'm gone already. I've had my life. I had a good life. I was a criminal in my my my my, job. I I was a pop singer. I had 3 wives, 2 and I got 1 now. I said, that's 3. Yeah. Three wives. So I mean, I have enjoyed all these, things that are there for the offer. But listen to an old man. You young people start to take care of yourselves. Take care of yourselves, take care of your bodies. Don't fall for the junk that's out there. Stand up for what you believe is right for you. The reason you go to a doctor and the reason you go to the hospital is because you have not looked after yourselves. If you look after yourselves you don't need to go. It's like the car chewing up the auto. Use the right gas. Change the windshield wipers. Maintenance. If you do that, you don't need to see the mechanic but if you don't maintain the car then you have to go to the mechanic. It's the same thing with your life. So I am not gonna get into more details about all of this. I've told you some of the important facets of the pharma industry and you can believe it, you can take it to the bank what I have said to you. You can do your research and you will find that I have worked in every single the apartment except production all the other facets of the industry I have worked in them. I know. So ladies and gentlemen, it's been very nice meeting you people. I will now leave this speech open for questions. If you have any questions Speaker 2: There seems to be a contradiction between the 2 presentations. Codex Illuminarios wants to, To eliminate populations. So, how does big pharma ensure future profits if big Pharma is killing off the people. Speaker 0: Big, big pharma it's not killing off the people. Speaker 1: But that's what, Madame Leibov said. That's the goal of codex Salimentarius. Speaker 0: Okay, okay, okay, let me, let me what I have heard from her and what I have thought about is that she said that codex alimentarius they make you sick with the food, right? Let me ask you a question. Are you with any organization? Speaker 1: Are you with Scientology or any of these? Not at all. No. Not at all. No. Speaker 0: I Scientology came up to me out there. Speaker 1: From no organization at all. No, no. I don't take any drugs. Speaker 0: We're getting Let's Speaker 1: just go to the homeopath. Speaker 0: We're getting Oh. Yeah. Do you believe in what you're getting from the homeopath? Speaker 1: I think it works. I started only a year ago, I guess. Yeah. No, no. It works. It works. And and you know, I agree With you in that, the pharma industry is mostly here for making money. And and I agree with your, things that, they Speaker 2: Rima, you talked about, you talked about some key individuals Who started not just codex but started modern medicine. And, I mean, it seems to be a contradiction. Well, what happens if, the pharmaceutical industry kills off all the the consumers? Well, here comes in the people above the industry. Speaker 3: It is it seems confusing and contradictory on the face of it. And and I wanted to make Two comments. So I'm very glad that you asked that question. The first comment is that in a consumer based Economy, what we're talking about makes no sense. In a consumer based economy, You want more people to buy more things. But you remember in my talk that I talked about the neo Feudalists. We are moving toward a new economy. You may notice that the economy that we've all grown up with and understand is in its death Throat. This is no accident. This is engineered carefully engineered over a very long period of time. The new feudalism Which has been predicted for 100 of years needs 3 classes of people. The new feudalism as defined by the new feudalists needs, first of all, the neoaristocrats. The 2nd class is their servitors. They're servants. They're surfs. And the 3rd class is their technicians. In their insane planning, that compromise that comprises about 10% of the world's Current population. Now if they have their way, and I have treated as a physician, I have treated a reigning monarch Who explained that this was the plan that she was raised with. She was not a young woman. And the plan The plan is underway. We have the power to stop it. I wanted to make one other point and that was about what you were saying, John. In the United States and you know that very often, bad things come from the United States and spread to Europe and the rest of the world. In the United States, There was a law enacted which was signed into law by the twice unelected president of the United States Speaker 2: Escobar Du Desert. Speaker 3: Yes. That law is called the New Freedom's Initiative. The New Freedom's Initiative signed into law in November 2004 Says the following. Says every child in the United States, including unborn children, Must be screened for mental illness. Speaker 0: This was a study done by the George Bush's Institute For Mental Health in Texas. Speaker 3: That's right. Which Speaker 0: was built by Eli Lilly and Company, I attended a meeting in 2007 in Berlin, I was invited there by the members of the Green Party and I was supposed to say something. I don't know what. Started speaking, they cut me off because there was a group of psychiatrists begging the government for money to perform exactly what Rima just said. Speaker 3: And that's why I'm telling you, but there's more. Step 1, Screen every child including the unborn by screening their mothers for mental illness. 2. Let me just finish the steps. Speaker 0: Okay. Speaker 3: Step 2, treat on a mandatory basis every child Who is found to have quote, god help us, mental illness which means every child. And step 3, Screen and treat on a mandatory basis every single person who Has any contact with children because we have to protect the little deers. That means mothers, fathers, shopkeepers, School teachers, grandparents, neighbors. Speaker 0: Thank you very much. Is that okay with your question? Speaker 1: It's it gets more scaring and, it gets to more relations than you Ever thought Speaker 0: What you have to do let me let me give you a little bit. You have to start thinking it's simple. You go into details that involves politics and politicians and people in power. You lose the goal Speaker 2: It's not easy, Jonas. Speaker 0: It's not Ein Fatt for anybody. Speaker 2: He said he said it's it's not easy to put yourself into the into that crazy Elitist mindset and it's it's hard to wrap your head around it. Speaker 3: Thank God it's not easy. God. It doesn't make Sense to us without words. Speaker 0: Thank you guys. Thank you for your question. Speaker 1: Thank you for your answers. Speaker 2: Okay. Speaker 0: Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. I hope I see you again. Oh, don't forget the book is on sale over there.
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Tucker Carlson discusses his firing from FOX News, highlighting the influence of corporate advertisers on news coverage. He mentions Big Pharma's significant role and how they shape coverage. Tucker wasn't surprised by his firing, as conflicting opinions with advertisers often lead to termination. Glenn Greenwald's analysis supports this, showing how corporate advertisers control modern journalism. The ongoing corporate boycott of X, based on a false antisemitism claim, reflects this pattern. It aims to stifle freedom of speech online. Elon Musk, Greenwald, and Tucker expose the dangerous alliance between corporate and government power, opposing principles of freedom and enlightenment.

@KanekoaTheGreat - KanekoaTheGreat

The All-In Pod asks @TuckerCarlson why he was fired by FOX News and what role corporate advertisers play in shaping news coverage? Tucker highlights Big Pharma, constituting 75% of TV ads in 2020, then delves into COVID, lockdowns, mRNA shots, January 6th, and the War in Ukraine. "It not only exists, it defines news coverage. Especially on pharma because pharma is the biggest advertiser on television. If Pfizer is sponsoring your show, you are not going to question the vax... And that's why they are the biggest advertiser. So they can shape news coverage." Tucker explains that he was not surprised by his firing because it is implicitly understood within the industry that sharing opinions that conflict with corporate advertisers eventually gets you fired. "I had a lot of opinions that were unpopular with people who might have influenced my show getting canceled... But I was not shocked at all. You can't give the finger to everybody and persist in a corporate job." This aligns with Glenn Greenwald's (@ggreenwald) recent analysis, shared by @elonmusk, illustrating how modern journalism, once a check on established power, is now controlled by corporate advertisers. (https://t.co/4N6HWeDs4j) The ongoing corporate boycott of @X, ostensibly based on a false antisemitism claim, reflects this broader pattern. Empirical data reveals platforms like TikTok and Instagram promote significantly more antisemitism than @X, yet corporate advertisers are only targeting this platform. (https://t.co/HBZPjGuuMb) This contradiction underscores the corporate @X boycott is less about combating antisemitism and more about stifling freedom of speech online. When @elonmusk defiantly tells this union of major corporate advertisers and establishment power to "go f**k yourself" for attempting to bankrupt his company, he's pointing at the authoritarian illiberal forces attempting to control online speech through advertising dollars. Elon Musk, Glenn Greenwald, and Tucker Carlson rightly point the finger at this dangerous alliance of corporate and government power, manipulating news and shaping social media platforms through advertising dollars. These authoritarian illiberal forces starkly oppose the core principles of freedom, liberty, and enlightenment that have fostered the modern prosperity of so many people in the Western world. Full @theallinpod: https://t.co/t6tfmBS386

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The speaker reflects on being fired from their show and acknowledges that there were many factors at play. They mention having unpopular opinions and speculate that this may have influenced the decision. They also discuss how being a top-rated host doesn't guarantee job security and that there are complex dynamics within big companies. The speaker admits to not being shocked by the firing and expresses no hard feelings. They mention the influence of advertisers on news coverage, particularly in the pharmaceutical industry. The speaker states that they were never explicitly told what to say, but they were always clear that they would speak their mind. They believe their willingness to express unpopular views may have contributed to their dismissal. The speaker also comments on the lack of communication and explanation from the company regarding their firing. They conclude by acknowledging the harsh realities of the industry and accepting the consequences.
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Speaker 0: I don't know why I was fired. I mean, it kind of isn't an Agatha Christie story. There are, like, so many suspects. You know what I mean? But I don't know. I was never told I can only speculate. There were a lot of different things going on. I had a lot of opinions that were unpopular, you know, with people who might have influenced, my show getting canceled. So I really don't know. I will say, you know, right after it happened, people said, well, how can they fire the top guy? Because that's what it is. I'm certainly not the 1st high rated host to get Fired. It's not only about ratings. There are a lot of different factors. It's a big company. You all have worked for and run big companies. And you know, there's a lot of complicated stuff going on. And, it's never exactly clear, you know, why things happen the way they do. But I was not shocked by by it. I mean, I was shocked by it in the short term sense. I didn't expect to have my show canceled that morning. But, but I was not shocked at all when I thought about it for a minute, I'd expected that, you know, you can't kind of give the finger to everybody and persist in a corporate job. So no hard feelings. And in fact, I said that on the call when I received the news. It's not my company. And I never felt like I had a right to be on the air. I was I was working at the pleasure of the family that runs the company, who treated me very well. And and, and they wanted me off and so I was off. Speaker 1: Did you ever have moments where somebody taps you on the shoulder and says, advertiser x y z is getting uncomfortable or We're trying to land this new advertiser and Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 1: They want you to shape things in one route. Did you ever feel that pressure? Is that or is that just A thing that is kind of like a boogeyman that doesn't actually exist. Speaker 0: Oh, wait. Well, it not only exists. It defines news coverage, especially on pharma, you Because pharma is the biggest advertiser in television is. I know you know. And so for sure, I mean, if Pfizer is sponsoring your show, you're not gonna question the facts. I mean, it's kind of that simple. So absolutely. And, of course, that's why they're the biggest advertisers, so they can shape news coverage. I mean, that's the point. But, I personally never had a single person say to me, don't say this, that I recall. I haven't thought about it too much, but that certainly I was there 14 years, and I didn't have that experience regularly or at all, really, that I can remember. And I think, you know, my producers may have been told that, but it didn't ever get to me because I was always really clear, which is I always said out loud to the supervisors there, you know, I work for your company. I don't own this network. All I can control is what I say. If you don't like what I say, don't have me on TV. But as long as I'm on TV, I'm gonna say what I think is true. And in a 1000000 cases, I said only part of what I think, not because of my employer, but just because you shouldn't actually say everything you think. I mean, I have some crackpot views too or I have resentments that I didn't want to work out on the air. I mean, you restrain yourself and you want to, as you do in your personal life. But on no question of principle did I ever pull back because I just I wouldn't do that. And again, I was just super clear. If you don't like what I'm saying, take me off the air. But I'm not gonna, you know, toe a line. And because I was so clear about that, I just think they didn't think it was worth having some kind of dispute with me. And to their great credit, for the time that I was there, and I said this many times in public, like, I took positions on the Ukraine war, on the COVID vaccine, on the COVID lockdowns, among other issues that I think you know, I've been vindicated on pretty conclusively on the origins of COVID. And all of those are super unpopular. On January 6th, which was so hated at the company where I worked, that people a number of people, including on air people, 4 that I can think of resigned in protest over my over me suggesting that actually it was more complicated than it looked, And there were a bunch of federal agents in the crowd. How can you say that? Are you claiming a false flag? Well, no. Not wouldn't use that phrase, but, like, this is something weird going on here. Well, I've been vindicated on that. That sounds like I'm bragging. I'm not. I'm just stating factually that, I said things that were Truly hated by a lot of the people who work there, and they let me keep saying them. So it's kinda hard to complain, really, at this point. Right? Again, it's not my company. Speaker 2: Just from a business standpoint, I think it's weird for a company to fire their top performer and to do so without Giving any notes. I mean, if any of us had a superstar executive or a superstar engineer, like a 100 x engineer Working at one of our companies and, like, day in and day out, they were, you know, hitting every milestone and crushing it, Like, if you had a problem with them, you would give them a note. You would just, like, try to say, hey, can we just, like so I just think from, like, a business standpoint, it's so weird. It just seems like self destructive and I think it was. I mean, their ratings really cratered in the wake Right. Of making this change. Maybe they've come back a little bit, but I don't think it's ever been the same. I just think it's a crazy way to operate a business. So, yeah, it's their right. I mean, they can do whatever they want, but I don't understand it as a way of doing business. Speaker 0: Well, I don't understand there's a way of living either. I mean, you know, everybody in the course of life, whether it's a parent or an employer or just a friend has to deliver uncomfortable news or disagree with someone that you deal with, and you have a moral obligation to explain the disagreement. You you can't just, you know, levy the penalty and leave it at that. You have to explain why you're doing that. And and I think that's it's it's incumbent on us morally to do that. I wasn't that mad about it actually because I know the rules of that particular business, which are really harsh. And I've been in it, you know, my whole life. And so I've seen a lot of people as talented or more talented than I meet bad ends and in you know, for reasons that I thought were not justified. And and I I know them all really well. So I you you work in a business like that. You know what it is. You know the black car is gonna show up at 3 a. M. And tow it to Lou Bianca, and that's just what it is. You know what I mean? You can't kinda whine about it, you know?

@KanekoaTheGreat - KanekoaTheGreat

Glenn Greenwald says corporate journalists are losing their minds over @elonmusk calling out major corporations for stifling free speech because they are in bed with the very corporations they claim to scrutinize. @ggreenwald explains that we are at a crossroads where…

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In the United States, the standard model of journalism, which relies on corporate advertising, imposes severe restraints on media outlets. This restricts the hiring of certain journalists and limits the opinions, perspectives, and reporting that can be aired. Journalists should value their freedom to speak, but many are afraid to challenge corporate advertisers. The recent controversy involving Elon Musk telling corporations to "go fuck yourself" for trying to control political content highlights the lack of journalists willing to stand up to such limitations. The corporatization of media has led to a culture of avoiding controversy and pleasing powerful people, resulting in a lack of courage and integrity among journalists.
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Speaker 0: Now anyone who works in journalism, anyone who works in media, and who has worked within the standard model of how journalism has operated in the United States for decades, which is the model of corporate advertising, knows that that model imposes extremely severe restraints on what media outlets can and can't do. They are certain journalists that they can't hire because the journalists will say things that will offend corporate advertisers on whom they depend in order to survive as a media outlet. Of course, have to relying on corporate advertisers really restricts the kinds of opinions you can air, the types of perspectives you can permit, the kind of reporting you can do. And what's so amazing about this is that if you're a journalist, the thing that you should hate more than anything is any force or any influence that tries to limit your freedom to speak. Your reaction, if you're actually just a journalist in terms of your composition, your comportment, your personality, your mentality, when even thinking there might be someone or something trying to limit your freedom to speak should be exactly what Elon Musk said there. Go fuck yourself. There was only one time in my entire journalism career When I perceived that somebody was trying to limit what I wanted to say, that was when The Intercept refused to publish my article right before the 2020 election that reported on and analyzed the documents from Hunter Biden's laptop and what it revealed about Joe Biden. And when I saw The Intercept wasn't gonna publish my article unless I made radical changes to it that gutted the entire thing so that it was no longer critical of Joe Biden. I quit. And I didn't contemplate or deliberate much at all. What went wrong here is not what Elon Musk said. It's so revealing that so many journalists and people who call themselves journalists and work for media corporations are aghast that anyone would dare tell Disney and major corporations to go fuck yourself when they're trying to limit and censor and control The flow of political content. If you aren't willing to set say that to corporations who are trying to limit what you can say, don't bother calling yourself a journalist. And so I think it's very telling and interesting that Musk got to the point where he said it, but I think even more telling is the fact that So many journalists were horrified. We need way more journalists willing to say, go fuck yourself to people who try and limit what they say. The problem is, is people who are hired by these major media corporations and who thrive in them and succeed in them are people who have the opposite instinct. Their instinct is to assuage and serve and placate establishment power, not to defy it. Even though the purpose of journalism is to be adversarial to establish power. Once journalism started getting corporatized, no longer owned by Families dedicated to journalism or local communities, but major corporations that have all kinds of other interests besides their media, division. And what kind of attributes are awarded the major corporations, people who avoid controversy, who avoid conflict, to avoid displeasing and angering powerful people. That's the corporate ethos. And the corporatization of media meant that that Kind of attribute was imported into journalism, and that's why no one almost who works for large media corporations or the media corporation themselves has the courage to say this. They're shocked. They think it's a sign that he's unhinged. When in reality, it's just a sign of how cowardly and craven they are.

@antgoldbloom - Anthony Goldbloom

A new survey suggests TikTok is a meaningful driver of a surge in antisemitism. #TikToxic Spending at least 30 minutes a day on TikTok increases the chances a respondent holds antisemitic or anti-Israel views by 17% (compared with 6% for Instagram and 2% for X).

@theallinpod - The All-In Podcast

E155: In conversation with @TuckerCarlson (plus 25+ mins at the end breaking down the @OpenAI chaos) -- departure from Fox News -- biggest issue facing the US today: rediscovering national alignment -- why prosperity begets self-destruction -- media control -- current…

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In this video, Tucker Carlson covers a wide range of topics including his firing from Fox News, the influence of advertisers on news coverage, the state of American society, and the need for national cohesion. He expresses concern about the division and tribalism in the country, emphasizing the importance of finding common ground and de-emphasizing differences. Carlson also discusses the role of technology in exacerbating power dynamics and the need for responsible leadership in promoting social cohesion. He believes that focusing on what unites Americans is crucial for the country's future. Additionally, the video touches on declining birth rates, the impact of affluence on society, climate change, immigration, and potential presidential candidates. The speaker expresses concern about the negative effects of affluence and questions the belief that humans are solely responsible for climate change. They criticize current immigration policies and discuss the controversial actions of Gavin Newsom. The video also delves into the political culture in California, media bias, the control of information, and the future of Tucker Carlson's show. Carlson highlights the lack of diversity in news coverage and the impact of social media censorship. He emphasizes the importance of actions over virtue signaling and the need for a return to order. Lastly, the video discusses the recent events surrounding OpenAI, including the firing and rehiring of CEO Sam Altman. The speakers speculate on the reasons behind the board's decision and the potential implications for the company. They emphasize the importance of transparency and communication in such situations and anticipate more drama and leaks to come as the details of the situation unfold.
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Speaker 0: This is Saxe's big day. Speaker 1: There he is. Speaker 0: Oh, there's talk oh, look at the smile on Saxe's face. Speaker 2: This is the greatest day in the history of the all in part. Speaker 3: Part. Shame with that. Yeah. Sachs Speaker 0: would be so fun. I'm honored. Oh, woah. Sachs. Oh. I guess you gotta get it back. This heated up quickly. Speaker 2: How threatened do you feel right now? This is the highest rated hosting in cable history. This is the world's true greatest moderator. Speaker 0: Exactly. No doubt. No doubt. Speaker 1: Absolutely. Sacks, where is this in relation part. Your marriage and Speaker 4: the birth of your children. Speaker 0: Don't ask. Speaker 2: It's right up there. Speaker 0: Up there. Speaker 1: He's like, what children? Speaker 3: It is for me. Speaker 0: In to the fans, and they've just gone unreasonably. W s hasty. Queen of Kimball. Going all in. Alright, everybody. We've got an amazing guest For you today here on the All In podcast, Sacks. His dream has come true. Tucker Carlson is with us today. You know Tucker, he was the number one TV host for much Of the past decade, including last year. When, shockingly, he was fired from Fox News on April 24th. Reason for the firing, It's never been pinned down, but maybe we'll get into it today. And we're gonna find out what is motivating a post Fox News Tucker Who has obviously launched a show on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. He's done 42 episodes and counting. He's had Everybody from Donald Trump, Andrew Tate, Dave Portnoy, and the newly elected president of Argentina on the program. So Welcome to the All In podcast, Tucker Carlson. Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It is it is a legit honor to be here. Speaker 0: Two part question to kick us off here. 1st, have you figured out why you were fired from Fox? And let's get into that a bit. And second, given that you were the number one host for for much of the past decade, and I think Probably in the top 5 highest paid of all time. What's motivating you now? What's the mission here as an independent journalist? Take those 2 questions to whichever order you like. Speaker 3: Pot. I don't know why I was fired. I mean, it kind of is an Agatha Christie story. There are like so many suspects. You know what I mean? But I don't know. I was never told I can only speculate. There were a lot of different things going on. I had a lot of opinions that were unpopular, you know, with people who might have Influenced, my show getting canceled. So I I I really don't know. I will say, you know, right after it happened, people said, well, how can they fire the top guy and because that's what it is. I'm certainly not the 1st high rated host to get fired. It's not only about ratings. There are a lot of different factors. It's a big company. You all have worked for and run big companies. And you know it's there's a lot of complicated stuff going on. And, and it's never exactly clear, you know, why things happen the way they do. But I was not shocked by it. I mean, I was shocked by it in the short term sense. I didn't expect to have my show canceled that morning. But, but I was not shocked at all, when I thought about it for a minute. And I'd expected that you know, you can't kind of give the finger to everybody And persist in a in a corporate job. So I no hard feelings. I and I and I, in fact, I said that on the call when I received the news. It's it's not my company. And I never felt like I had a right to be on the air. I was I was working at the pleasure of the family that runs the company, who treated me very well and and, And they wanted me off and so I was off. Speaker 1: Do you ever have moments where somebody taps you on the shoulder and says, advertiser x y z is getting uncomfortable, or We're trying to land this new advertiser and Speaker 3: Right. Speaker 1: They want you to shape things in one route. Did you ever feel that pressure? Is that or is that just A thing that is kind of like a boogeyman that doesn't actually exist. Speaker 3: Oh, wait. Well, it not only exists. It defines news coverage, especially on pharma, You know, because pharma is the biggest advertiser in television is. I know you know. And so, for sure, I mean, if, you know, Pfizer is sponsoring your show, you're not gonna question the facts. I mean, it's kinda that simple. So absolutely. And, of course, that's why they're the biggest advertisers, so they can shape news coverage. I mean, that's that's the point. But, I personally never had a single person say to me, don't say this, that I recall. I haven't thought about it too much. But that certainly I was there 14 years, and I I didn't have that experience Regularly or at all, really, that I can remember. And and I think, you know, my producers may have been told that. But it it didn't ever get to me because I was always really clear, which is I always said out loud to the supervisors there, you know, I work for your company. I don't own this network. All I can control is what I say. If you don't like what I say, don't have me on TV. But as long as I'm on TV, I'm gonna say what I think is true. And in a 1000000 cases, I said only part of what I think, not because of my employer, but just because you shouldn't actually say everything you think. I mean, I have some crackpot views too, Or I have resentments that I didn't wanna work out on the air. I mean, I did you know, you're straining yourself, and you want to as you do in your personal life. But On no question of principle did I ever pull back because I just I wouldn't do that. And, again, I was just super clear. If you don't like what I'm saying, take me off the air. But I'm not gonna, You know, toe aligned. And because I was so clear about that, I I just think they didn't think it was worth having some kind of dispute with me. And to their great credit, For the time that I was there, and I said this many times in public, like, I took positions on the Ukraine war, on the COVID vaccine, on the COVID lockdowns, Among other issues that I think, you know, I've been vindicated on pretty conclusively on the origins of COVID. And all of those are super unpopular. On January 6th, which was So hated at the company where I worked that people a number of people, including on air people, 4 that I can think of, resigned in protest Over my over me suggesting that actually it was more complicated than it looked, and there were a bunch of federal agents in the crowd. How can you say that? Are you claiming a false flag? Well, no. Not wouldn't use that phrase, but, like, this is something weird going on here. Well, I've been vindicated on that. That sounds like I'm bragging. I'm not. I'm just stating factually That, I said things that were truly hated by a lot of the people who worked there, and they let me keep saying them. So it's kind of hard to complain, really, at this point, Right? Again, it's not my company. Speaker 2: Just from a business standpoint, I think it's weird for a company to fire their top performer And to do so without giving any notes. I mean, if any of us had a superstar executive or a superstar engineer, like a 100x engineer working at one of our companies. And, like, day in and day out, they were, you know, hitting every milestone and crushing it. Like, if you had a problem with them, you would give them a note. You would just, like, try to say, hey, can we just, like so I just think from, like, a business standpoint, it's so weird. It just seems like self destructive and I think it was. I mean, their ratings really cratered in the wake of making this change. Maybe they've come back a little bit, but I don't think it's ever been the same. I just think it's a crazy way to operate a business. So, yeah, it's their right. I mean, they can do whatever they want, but I don't understand it as a way of doing business. Speaker 3: Well, I don't understand it as a way of living either. I mean, you know, everybody in the course of life, whether it's a a parent or an employer or just a Friend has to deliver uncomfortable news or disagree with someone that you deal with, and you have a moral obligation to explain the disagreement. You you can't just, You know, levy the penalty and leave it at that. You have to explain why you're doing that. And and I think that's it's it's incumbent on us morally to do that. I wasn't that mad about it, actually, because I know the rules of that particular business, which are are really harsh. And and I've been in it, you know, my whole life. And so I've seen a lot of people as talented or more talented than I meet bad ends And in you know, in for reasons that I thought were not justified. And and I I know them all really well. So I you you work in a business like that. You know what it is. You know the black car is gonna show up at 3 AM and coach you to Louis Bianca, and that's just what it is. You know what I mean? You can't kinda whine about it, you know? Speaker 0: Well, how much of it was the You know, this is a family owned business. Mhmm. And the patriarch obviously pioneered opinion based, You know, journalism slash entertainment commentary. And the younger ones maybe were on the other side of, the political aisle and maybe Were not as, I don't know, cutthroat or maybe didn't share the same philosophy of their dad. What was your relationship Like, with the the new generation, with Rupert, etcetera. And how much did that play into it, do you think? Speaker 3: Well, my my relationship with The father and son who were directly involved in that company was, from my perspective, very strong. And, I will say this about the Murdochs. They're Very polite. I mean, they're they're really kind of very Anglo, almost elaborately polite in a way that I'm not mocking. I'm complimenting. And, they're not confrontational. They're not nasty in the way that they deal with people directly. And and I prefer that as sort Sort of a way of communicating with people. So I got along with them very, very well. I always liked them, and they were very nice to me, elaborately nice to me, and Always gave me assurances of my right to say what I thought was was true. And so, again, I can only speculate. I will say, though, and you see this with Trump, especially, I don't think I'm anywhere near as divisive as Trump. Obviously, I'm not as powerful as Trump. I'm not the figure Trump is. But one thing that maybe Trump and I have in common is we're really disliked by a certain set of people, you know, affluent people, highly educated people, people who work at NGOs, government finance, you know, really kind of hate A certain brand of politics. So it's not being conservative. You can be conservative in the sort of you know, I work at Cato or Heritage or I you know, we need to get back To free trade or whatever, that kind of thing, the Reaganite foreign policy, that's all fine. But if you start asking questions like, well, why doesn't our country act in its own interest? There's something about that It's uniquely offensive to them and to that whole class of people. Now, I could not have more contempt or loathing for those people having grown up among them. I know how repulsive they are. So, You know, their their hatred of me, I wear as a badge of honor, actually makes me happy. But it's hard to take, I would say. I mean, again, I'm not I'm just speculating in my specific case, but I know more broadly, like, it's very hard to have lunch at the Four Seasons in Jackson During the winter because there's some private equity wife who's gonna scream at you on your way to the men's room because that world hates you. And so if you live in that world and you're employing someone like me, you know, you hear about it. I guess that's my point. You hear about it. Like, what? That guy's a Nazi. What's the deal with that? Speaker 1: I wanna actually pull this thread. I would love your perspective on the state of American society. Just Less on the political spectrum of republican versus democrat, but just just observe for us, Tucker, what do you see in American society? Where are we as a society? What has happened? What is happening? Speaker 3: Well, this isn't an 8 hour podcast. I could actually give you my very lengthy theories and views on that. But I will just say one thing that's I've been thinking about a lot recently. I just have been had my college roommate staying at my house and, you know, we're, of course, the same age, known each other our whole adult lives. He's been very successful, and he lives in a, you know, an enclave of very, very successful people. And and so we're we're familiar with this culture. And we were talking about American and he's From an immigrant family. So he's got a kind of broader I would argue a broader perspective on, like, America. He's 54 as I am. And We're talking about how obviously, this is not a democracy. It's not even a a sort of decent, facsimile of a democracy. It's to call it democracy is, like, Ridiculous, actually. But it's even worse than that. Our politics and not just our politics, but our public conversation Reflects the very specific and parochial concerns of a tiny, tiny group of people, which is Middle aged affluent women who tend to be very angry and tend to, mostly with their husbands, but probably for other reasons too, And exercise this, like, wildly disproportionate power over what we can talk about and think about and and the rules that the rest of us live by. It's just kind of amazing. And he happens to live in Jackson, Wyoming. So and I go there, you know, to ski and to fish. And I have for a very long part. Time. And I always say to him, I can't go anymore because I yelled at at lunch over my Elk Chili or in the Lyft line or whatever Or at the, you know, Westside Market, literally, a relative of mine yelled at me while buying bananas in the, you know, in the Westside Market. She lives there. And I'm thinking, what is it about this group of people that hates me so much when, again, I know them really well. I'm related, in some cases, to them. So And I'm not quite sure, but I just I I see our politics and our concerns, which if you take 3 steps back, are, like, insanely picayune. Like, trans black lives matter. Well, I never said they didn't. But, like, if that's your main public policy objective to celebrate Trans black lives in a country of 360,000,000 people. It's got a lot of big problems. You are not seeing the whole picture. Speaker 0: So, like, what is that? Speaker 3: And what it is, again, is the disproportionate influence of a class of people and their neurosis. I wouldn't even say policy concerns, but, like, there are things they're worried about and their Weird personal ticks and, like, the results of years of therapy and SSRIs on their brains. Like, that kind of controls our whole Conversation. And, my friend was saying, because he's really smart. He's like, yeah. But the good news is this can't last because it's just too stupid. And at some point very soon, the country's gonna revert to the place that all countries begin, which is in a conversation about things that matter. Like, Who comprises the population? Do we have enough water? Where are we on energy exactly? How are we gonna manage these complex relationships with other countries? Like, the things that, You know, the stuff of government, the stuff of Resources. Of co Yeah. Well, of of course, resources. But, like, just the basic questions that should dominate the consciousness Of any of any country and should dominate our public conversation. It's like our public obsessions are getting increasingly irrelevant, Actually. Increasingly, it's like crazy. Speaker 5: As Speaker 2: the palms get bigger. Yeah. The conversation The conversation becomes more inane as the palms get bigger. Speaker 3: Thank you. Exactly. So when you look at Speaker 1: that that cohort's disproportionate impact and then you translate it, for example, last night, there was, I guess, like, a almost riot protest when folks are trying to light the Christmas tree in Rockefeller Center, I guess, and there was, like, a huge Pro Hamas, I think. Somebody check me out if this is wrong. Protest and then people were pushing back on the cops and all of this stuff. And all these folks were trying to do was just light the Christmas tree. Can you connect the dots? How does that cohort get to Speaker 3: It it it no. But it it's actually a branch from the same tree. Christmas tree, in this case. Because that whole conversation, well, I think it's interesting, and I think it's, you know, geopolitically significant. And and I've, You know, been to those countries, and I know people there. So I'm, like, interested in it. And there's a lot to care about and be interested in. But The displacement of all of our public passions onto a conflict in a foreign country, however important that conflict may be, Really kind of tells you a lot. It's like in other words, yeah, I care what's happening between Israel and Hamas. I have views on it, which are probably pretty mainstream views. Whatever. I don't have any very interesting views on it. But it it it's a little weird for your entire country thousands of miles away to be so preoccupied with that Conflict that they miss big history changing events happening, like, in their own country. And I think that's, again, A species of the same problem. We are unable to the the problems that confront us are so big that we can't deal with them. And I and, actually, my wife and I had this conversation the other night. I was, for years, a Magazine writer and I have to file every Friday. I work for Bill Kristol at The Weekly Standard. And, obviously, I regret that. But it was interesting at the time. And I have to file the story every week. And and I'd stay up all night because I'm very lazy, and I put stuff off. And I'd stay up every Thursday night all night. And my editor would call, It's going to the print you know, it's going to the printing press in Pennsylvania. This was back when it was in print, and you gotta file it. And right around 8:30 AM on Friday morning, I would have this overwhelming urge to rearrange the books on my shelves in my library by title or by subject. I'd, like, have all these weird kind of, like, Librarian fantasies about rearranging books, which in a on a normal day, like, why would you do that? And better things to do. But as my problems mounted and I couldn't, Like, write the lead I wanted. I would transfer all my anxiety onto something I felt I could control or there was a lower stakes, less consequence. And I think that's kind of what we're seeing a little bit. Like, we care more about foreign wars and trans lives as, like, The obvious things that hold our society together start to fall apart because, like, how do you even deal with that? Am I I'm I don't know if I'm being Very articulate, but Speaker 4: actually, that's what's happening. Speaker 0: Makes sense. What do you put on the top of that list of things we should be focused on, Tucker? Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, but but From my perspective, by far the question. Speaker 0: 1, 2, 3, this is what America needs to put its energy on. Speaker 3: It's not even close. National cohesion, And by which I mean something specific. What does the majority of the country have in common with one another? Because, look, if it it it the arc of the last century's His American history is super, super interesting. So you have this massive influx of immigration, you know, the Ellis Island generation, Late, 18th or 19th, early 20th century. And it's both good and bad. We only remember the good. But there was a lot of social volatility, Like, a lot. Like, the mayor of Chicago got shot in his house. There was bombings on Wall Street. Like, the whole the Wobblies, the anarchists, like, the foot soldiers that were were immigrants, working class European immigrants. And part of the problem was there was a lot of immigrants and I mean, Sacco and Vanzetti, you know, who shot the Shot the clerk in, was it Brockton, Mass? Anyway, it was in mass outside Boston. They've been in the country for just a few years, and they immediately got sucked into radical politics. Well, why was that? Well, because they weren't kinda bought in or rooted in or hadn't been fully assimilated into American society. So then you have the 1st World War. And we basically shut down immigration, and we have this period of settling where, like, all Americans, let's think through our civic religion, what ties us together. And then that leads into October of 29, and you do have this national crisis that lasts for more than a decade, and we didn't blow up. And we had a successful you know, the CCC. We, like, had these big programs, which I'll say this is a conservative, kinda worked in keeping people fed and focused, gave them purpose, kept the country from from collapsing during the Great Depression. If that happened now, when there is no broad agreement on what it means to be an American, no agreement at all on what we all have in in part. I don't think we can withstand it, actually. I really don't. And I'm not even convinced it matters as much what that civic religion is As it does that we have 1. If we don't have anything that ties us together when that day comes and you know what I mean. When the economic crisis comes because it's coming, Like, what's that gonna look like? It's gonna be very scary. And I so that's what I'm most worried about by far. Speaker 1: How do you define national cohesion, I guess, maybe Like, what are the few elements that you think America needs to agree on as a as a majority? Speaker 3: Wake me up from a deep sleep and ask me what it means to be an American. Okay. And then do the same to a 1000 other people, and we'll just do a survey on it. And do the majority of those people give the same answer? And if they don't like, so this is okay. This I mean, I have all so many theories. God, donut. I'm gonna I'm gonna control myself. But I would just say one other thing, which is we Overestimate people's ability to metabolize change. It's you know, I'm not like a strict Darwinist or anything, but I do sort of believe that over time, people adapt to their environment. And that, you know, in us is most of our abilities are inborn. Like, that's just true. Sorry. I have dogs. I know that. And people just haven't you know, the world didn't change that much from, you know, 4 60 or whatever, the sacking of Rome, until the Renaissance. It just didn't. And then the industrial revolution to now has been, like, such massive change that it's driving people insane. People can't handle relentless change. And technologists love relentless change. And I like a lot of technologists. Couple are really good friends of mine. But they're anomalies. A lot of them are literally autistic. I'm not attacking them. I'm praising them, but they're different for most people. Speaker 0: Sacks is on the road right now, Tucker. You're right. Wait. You know. Like, they Speaker 3: can handle it. They can, Like, they want a world that's totally different from today's world tomorrow. They want that. Speaker 1: They they they thrive in that flux. They like it. Right. Speaker 3: But they just don't They they don't understand how rare they are. And if you impose that on a society and you don't ever have a Period where you pause and let things settle, you will blow up that society. And the Chinese, who I don't admire for many things at all, know this. And I admire that about them. They think that change for its its own sake is dangerous. Now they think it's dangerous to their power, and they're absolutely right. But it's also dangerous Just like the idea of a society. What is a society? And so, anyway, I I could go on and on and on. But that that's my main concern. Speaker 4: Let me propose a theory, and and see if you react to it. I think that there's a big orientation in society where it's constantly about trying to shift the Power dynamics, that everyone always feels, like, they don't have something that someone else has. Speaker 3: Yeah. And Speaker 4: another person that has it, for some reason, is advantaged in a way that to them always feels unfair. And everyone feels this way. Everyone. Speaker 3: That's right. Speaker 4: You're you're at the top of the food chain. You feel like Someone else has something you don't have, and it's unfair, and the system is set up that way, no matter where you sit. And as a result of that fu and and by the way, this goes bow I get, I get waxed super philosophical on this stuff, but, like, Buddhism's always had this point that, like, the desire that humans have is the one thing that causes all of Societal suffering behavior, everything. But it all comes down to this. It's that you see that someone else has something, you desire it, And then you wanna change the dynamic of how the system, how society's organized to, to fix that. The thing about technology, if you think back, The catapult gave an advantage to an army that allowed them to win in a war. So did the rifle. So did the nuclear bomb. That ultimately technology was the enabling force that allowed a rapid shift in power dynamics. And all technology ultimately creates leverage For the creator of the technology initially, and then it diffuses to everyone. But that is perhaps why I this is a theory I have, which is that there's generally Pessimism towards technology because it creates unfair advantages that shifts the power dynamic too quickly. Speaker 3: Yes. Speaker 4: And too advantageously. And it's also why I think you don't hear a lot of support for technology from most of society, because technology creators are such a small percentage of society. So I don't know if that that resonates with your point. But for me, it's always been like Speaker 3: I think that's really smart, and I think it's indisputably true. Part. Abs absolutely. I will say you're making an argument, in addition to many other things, against tribalisms because tribalism accentuates these preexisting impulses in people, which, again, like, all impulses are just inborn. Like, the human nature is immutable. So let's just start there. It cannot be changed. AI will not change human nature. It'll change everything but but human nature. And, you know, envy and, you know, The fact that the fact that prosperity is a relative measure above starvation Right. So it's like there's a famous Russian proverb, like, You know, I've got a cow. My neighbor has a cow. He gets a cow. Now he has 2 cows. I kill his cow. Speaker 4: Right. Totally Speaker 3: right. It's just right. Okay. So so but but tribalism, especially in a country like ours, which as noted doesn't have a working majority of People with obvious connection to each other. It really, really exacerbates that a lot. And because it makes it more obvious. So it's not so all of a sudden, it's not just like, hey. The smart kids are richer. They have 2 cows. It's like, The Jews are richer or the Indians are richer or the whites are richer or whatever. You know? It's like, just name the group. And that once you go down that road, You know, it's it that that leads to violence and mass violence, actually. Speaker 0: A lot of people listening right now, Tucker, are probably A little bit, confused hearing you talk about cohesion of the country when most people would look at, you know, the tribalism as almost Most manifested in cable news, you and Rachel Maddow every night were, you know, number 1 and number 2 in the ratings taking either side of the tribe. So Is this something that's evolved and how did your time in cable news inform you to this? Because most people would say, like, wait, Isn't Tucker and Rachel, like, isn't that aren't those those the 2 tribe leaders? Speaker 3: I think I think there are dumb people who think that, but no. Here's the difference. Speaker 0: My conference. Speaker 3: My my views, Speaker 0: part. Don't ask the only half of the audience to get their Speaker 3: hair. To say. I'm sorry. Speaker 0: It's all good. It's all good, Tucker. Why don't you do that? Different than the other panelists? Speaker 3: Pots. No. I I love and not only do I love I don't always love, but I certainly think that reasoned disagreement is essential. It's the alternative to violence, by the way. That's what that is. Debate and politics are the alternative violence. You get 2 choices. We're going to do it By arguing about it, we're going to do it by force. Okay? So so I absolutely think it's essential to debate things, because if we don't, then we just have to shoot each other. And I'm against that. But that's very different from tribalism. Because tribalism is based on things that you can't change. So for example, In 2002, I hosted a show on CNN and it was the run up to the war in Iraq. I was uncomfortable with the idea that we would be invading Iraq to respond To an attack on America that had nothing to do with The Rock. I did think that didn't make sense. But I was sold on the idea finally by someone, and I foolishly, parroted The Bush administration's line on that. So I was a pro war person for a time. Then I went to Iraq, and I changed my views completely. So I I switched sides Completely. And I wound up on the other side, the antiwar in Iraq. And that took about a week. I was born a white man. You You were born whatever you are. Everyone's born whatever they are. That can't change. So if we stoke division along lines that can't be changed, Then we're really the cul de sac. Our differences can never be resolved. You will always be what you are. You can't change it. And the same for me. And so those are the things that wind up becoming generational conflicts, civil wars, Rwanda. And so I've always been against that my entire life. And my entire time on Fox, I argued against that. I think affirmative action is completely not only immoral Because it's an insult to the idea of America, which is, like, the people who do the best get the most. But it is Also a recipe over time for violence. And I made that case I've made that case every single day, You know, since David and I had lunch 30 years ago, I've never not thought that. I've always had the Doctor. Seuss view of race relations, which is we should deemphasize race, And elevate, you know, merit, achievement, hard work, character, the things that we can control. And, and but the other side has gone and by the way, liberals used to agree with me. That used to be a liberal position within my lifetime. And then all of a sudden, it became a Nazi position. And, you know, that's just a manipulation of language. But the truth is, on the race stuff, which is what matters over time, If you convince people to hate others on the basis of their race, you've committed a massive sin, and you've done a lot to wreck our country, that's coming from the left. I'm sorry. That's just true. Speaker 2: Just to connect these ideas, I think that is a major source of our division is one of the reasons why people have a hard time saying what it means to be an American because there are dueling visions of what it means to be an American. The left has been trying to change or rewrite American history. So for example, the key year in American history the founding of the nation was not 17/76 with the declaration of independence, it was 16/19, right? This is the base of the whole 16/19 project in the New York Times is that the founding of the nation began with the importation of slavery to the new world. That was the key year. And so I think there's been an effort for a long time on the part of the left to rewrite what it means to be an American and and to rewrite American history. It's actually in a weird way, it's the opposite of what Deng Xiaoping did in China where Deng basically he flipped the all doctrine over there from communism to capitalism. He didn't outright declare it. He said that it doesn't matter whether a cat is white or black as long as it catches mice And they didn't change the name. They didn't change the party. It's still the Chinese Communist Party. They didn't change the flag, but he did a hot swap of the back end to capitalism. And, you know, they changed what the country was about. Speaker 4: And how did that work out? Economically. Speaker 2: It worked out great for them. I think In a similar way, in the United States, they haven't changed the flag, they haven't changed the name, but there is an attempt to hot swap the back end of what it means to be an American. And I think this is the root of the conflict. Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with that completely. And I don't think we've thought through what it means to change, You know, out of many, 1 to out of 1 many, I think that's, we've set ourselves up For something really, really scary for again, for for violent conflict. Because I don't see how that that resolves itself. You know, Wise people understand this. In a diverse society, plural society, whatever you call it, a society where, you know, you got a lot of different people, a lot of different backgrounds, and shades, and religions, and all that stuff. You need to deemphasize the things that divide us inherently and emphasize the things that unite us. Like, that's not hard. And it's also So obvious that if you're not doing it, my first question is why are you not doing that? I mean, why are you not? And and that kind of explains The true loathing that I have for the people in charge on both sides because, like, if you did that in your household with your children, Your kids would be in rehab or jail or dead. Is that obvious? Like, you would never do that to your kids. So why would you do that to your population? Speaker 0: Sure. Zuckerberg, you had a question? Speaker 4: Well, where does responsibility lie there, Tucker? What's the mechanism for doing that? Because we often and I find In conversations, everyone says the government should. And I often question why the government should anything. In my in my life, in in in my social settings, in how I live, how I do business. Does the government, the federal government in the United States, have a role and responsibility to Do what what you're suggesting we need to do in the United States, or is it the media, or is it social leaders, Or is it business leaders? Or is it local governments? Who is responsible ultimately for creating the social cohesion necessary For the US to enter a new era of prosperity, and, and why is that the right group to be responsible? Speaker 3: Well, look, I would say well, I it's a great question. And I would say you enter a era of prosperity. I don't think that's really the goal. We have prosperity. And I think it's a real question as to whether people want Right. Do people want pro I mean, I think there's actually a lot of evidence that human beings sort of hate prosperity actually We're not designed to be prosperous. And the second we are, we invent climate crises to to to make us less prosperous. I mean, that's really what that is. Right? But, anyway, Leaving those aside, it's it's incumbent on all of us, anyone with authority, anyone with a voice, anyone with money. And it's really kind of as simple. And and I do think, you know, government is kind of the last to fall in line. It's it's really as simple as making things socially unacceptable. We certainly see. I grew up in a world where people smoked on airplanes. Okay? Now that was banned by the FAA, but it was also Made totally socially unacceptable. You couldn't light a cigarette in someone's kitchen. You just wouldn't think to do that. In the same way that you wouldn't think to give the middle finger to an old lady, Which is not actually illegal. But nobody would do that because it's so appalling in the minds of everybody, and everyone's happy to say, what the what the hell are you doing? And and I feel the same way about the race stuff. It's like, oh, you know, race this, race that. Someone should say, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah. Stop that. Speaker 1: There's part of what you're saying, which I think is which I really agree with, which is this idea that we have gone as the human race, okay, From having to make major adaptations over the arc of our evolution as a species to now, what you're kind of saying is we're now with all these minor adaptations and it kind of breaks the entire circuitry of the brain, which is like before we had to fight to evade the animals, to feed ourselves, To build a machine, to all of a sudden go from an agrarian to an industrial. These were huge adaptations. And now we have all of this almost surplus in excess. And it's a little bit of a head scratcher for a lot of people because now All the adaptations that are left are very minor in shape because all of these other things that would rather occupy your time, sustenance, survival, resiliency are taken off the table. I get that. The other part of what you say, which is very Rene Girard, which is like, hey, there's all this copying of people and desire. There's going to be violence if we don't figure out how to de charge it. What do you think we need to do in order to do that discharge? How do you get these people To stop focusing on the small order bits. And how do we reorganize people to focus on the big order bits so that We minimize this risk of violence. We minimize the 1 group of immutable traits fighting another group of immutable traits. How does that happen? Do you think Speaker 3: You know, I'm I'm I'm pretty pessimistic about about a country this big. And We say the country. I mean, like, when I talk about the country, I'm talking about people I know or grew up with or people who speak my language. I mean, the country is so big That something can happen in New Mexico. Something big can happen in New Mexico or San Francisco, for that matter. And, like, people don't even know. So, like but in general, I would say, You know, it's it's hard to see changing course before we're forced to. And so I, you know, I do think Speaker 1: You think, basically, there has to be a moment Of something that's so egregious that causes a national reconciliation of some kind. Essentially, that says, hold on a second. You Speaker 3: wanna know What I really think, which is, like, kind of crackpot, but I know that it's right. Yes. I I do think the problem is is is prosperity. And I've noticed this as a middle aged man as I've gotten older. And I know people who've been successful, in some cases very successful. And I've noticed that, when they succeed, when they get everything they want, they destroy themselves. I've noticed this again and again and again. It's you are the dog who caught the car. And and it's and, actually, it's more than just having idle time. There's something there's a metaphysical quality. There's there's there are factors here that I don't understand That are deeper, actually. But I just notice it. There's something about affluence That over time, convinces people to kill themselves. And you see it, like, in a literal sense in the euthanasia numbers out of Canada and out of Speaker 1: Well, you you see in the you you see in a literal sense when you look at, you know, the incidence of diabetes as correlated to GDP. Speaker 3: That's right. That's exactly right. Speaker 0: And you look Speaker 1: at these emerging economies and as GDP cranks. The first thing that happens is heart disease cranks up, and diabetes cranks up because to your point, Tucker, they start to enjoy The prosperity of their earned life. Speaker 3: But they're not enjoying it. That's the thing. The other thing you see Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 3: Is they stop having children, which is a form of suicide. You're not reproducing. You you know what I mean? There's no other culture who has left a written record in history that didn't see having children as, like, The primary first of all, the primary shows of wealth, and not just because they worked on your farm, but because they exist and and so do your genes. So if you start to see every it's not just a matter of culture. It happens in non Christian Japan. It happens in post Christian Spain. It happens in South Korea with a point 7 replacement you know, reproduction rate, 0.7. So, what is that? And, again, it's the same thing. It's that affluence kills you. And if you don't believe it, fast for 3 days. Fasting, by the way, is a feature not just of, you know, Christian history. Every religion and every culture that I'm aware of, Has acknowledged fasting as an important religious ritual. Why is that? Why would foregoing food Be so important. We'll try it for 3 days and experience you know, you're quivering like a tuning fork. You know, your sensitivity just explodes. There's something about eating too much, literally satisfying the most basic need of all, which is for calories, there's something about that that kills you. And there's something about foregoing it That enlightens you. It's, like, super interesting. So I I and I'm look. There's so much I don't know. I'm the last person you wanna listen to. These are deeper waters that I'm qualified to wade in. But my senses tell me very, very strongly that the core problem is having too much. And I'm not calling for taking things away. I think the global warming bullshit is bullshit. Okay? I mean, obviously, it is. Climate crisis. It's propaganda, but it's coming out of it's also sincere to some extent. It's not such a power grab by Davos. It's more than that. It's people's gut level sense that we need to have less because this is killing us. And that is real. Speaker 0: Fredericksburg is Tucker said global warming is, bullshit. His Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pull up the name Speaker 0: for him. I just want Speaker 4: his I just want his reaction to it. Speaker 0: You just said that's insulting of science. Let's see. Speaker 4: No. No. But I Let's not have a whole idea. No. No. I think it's like, just on that topic, you know, data shows temperatures are getting warmer off of a baseline of years, and now things get warmer. No. Speaker 0: No. No. Speaker 3: I'm I'm so sorry. Can I can I just make a small correction? No. I'm not saying it's not getting warmer. It seems to be getting warmer. I'm really saying this whole elaborate theory that humans are causing this rise in temperatures, and we know how to reverse it through, say, shutting down, You know, the history of hydrocarbons. Yeah. I mean and and even if that were true, what we're doing to affect those changes shows how fraudulent The whole thing is I mean, you you know the whole arguments. I'm but I'm not actually calling it a question that's changing. Temperatures always change. I live in Maine, which was shaped by the glaciers 10000 years ago. So, like, yeah, we've had some climate change. Speaker 4: Do you think that human civilization is not threatened by the changing climate? I just just this is a quick little point, but Speaker 3: Do I think human well, sure. I mean, It's threatened in some ways. Probably helped in other ways. I personally hate hot weather. So, you know, I don't care for it. I I think there's quite a bit of evidence that previous That that actually temperature changes can be much more radical than we think. And I'll just give you one example that no one's ever explained, but you're aware that they're all these Woolly mammoths found encased in ice in Siberia and the Soviet Yeah. You know, early Soviet 19 twenties expedition to map all of Russia found these things, And at least 1 stranded expedition ate them. Okay? They ate the woolly mammoth because it had been frozen so Thoroughly that the after 1000 of years, the meat was still edible. Yeah. Well, the question is, like, how did that happen? And I think it was the guy who ran Birds Eye Frozen Food who was an pot. On freezing meat is like, wait a second. That weighs x 1000 pounds. It would have to be frozen extremely quickly. And I know this from hunting too. You have to freeze meat very fast to keep it from spoiling Speaker 4: from the vegetables. Speaker 3: How did that happen? Well, no. No. For real, though. Because it decomposes very a big animal, If you shoot, say, a moose or a big deer or a mule deer, you have to open it up immediately or the meat will spoil because The bigger it is, the more heat it generates. Right? We know. It's like, okay. So how exactly did hundreds or thousands of large animals get frozen So quickly that the meat is still edible 1,000 of years later. That's an honest question that no one's ever answered. And the only potential or even plausible answer is temperature changed So fast, it flash froze them. Well, how did that happen? Like, what? No. These are sincere questions. Speaker 4: And so, temperature look Speaker 0: into it. Speaker 4: I'll get back to you. I've not heard about this. No. Speaker 3: No. But, like, what is that? Speaker 4: Flash frozen. Well, that's interesting. No. Speaker 0: I I Speaker 4: It reminds me of that Marlon Brando film. Do you remember where he, like, goes to an island and eats the, like, super rare Food. It's like a Komodo dragon or something. The Graduates, Matthew Broderick's in it. So good. It's like, the expedition to Siberia to eat the Flash frozen Holy man, that's to make a good sequel. But it's interesting. I'm gonna look into it. I don't know the answer to how and why But Speaker 3: the point is the the climate here's the point. That we have physical evidence that the climate on earth within you know, inside our atmosphere has changed dramatically so dramatically that it would, you know, kill every person who Who was affected by it, like, a number of times that we know of over the course of the history of the earth. So, like, I mean, I think there could you know, we could be in for actual climate change that killed everybody. That's entirely possible. But the idea that it's the fault of the United States because of, You know, you drive an F150 is, like, so absurd. It's, like, hard to believe anyone takes that seriously. There's, like, no evidence of that, actually. Sorry. Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm generally just an I'm I'm an optimist about solutions anyway, but, you know, I think human ingenuity has always prevailed, so all this pessimism and catastrophizing. I I I do disagree with respect to, like, there is science that indicates that there are elements that were kind of affecting things in a in an adverse way, the challenging way, But I'm not concerned about the challenges, just because of where human technology sits, and the things we can do. So I'm I have a I have a slightly different point of view, but I I hear you on it. I don't wanna Yep. Debate the point. Sorry, Chamath. Go ahead. Speaker 3: Yeah. That's a whole another thing. Yeah. Speaker 1: I just wanna up level this back to something, because I think if I had to summarize what you're saying is, You're saying, Chamath, our society is too prosperous. And as a result, that prosperity creates, small fringe issues that dominate, Which then creates an inability for us to be cohesive. So then, if we have something that allows us to be forced to be more resilient, We will actually wake up from this fever and say, hold on guys, what are the big issues? Let's really figure out what matters. Let's get organized and let's go after those. And that Both is a healing of the country, but it's almost like our insurance policy. Is that kind of a is that a fair summary? Okay. If I To put what you're saying in a box or is that Speaker 3: Well, I would I would hate ever to seem like I'm looking forward to catastrophe because I I'm not. And I I hope it I hope it doesn't unfold, though. No. Speaker 1: No. No. No. You're you're I don't think so. Speaker 3: No. I mean, I used to drink too much. And I know a lot of people used to drink too much and, you know, use drugs or whatever. And some of them didn't get better till they went to jail. You know, as people who drink too much tend to do over time. That never happened to me. And I'm so grateful for it. Like, you don't need to, you know, Get to the bottom Speaker 1: there. Right. Speaker 3: You don't. I don't think that you do. I'm just I'm just really worried that we're not even having a conversation about this. And but I, again, Would point to what I said a second ago about there's something metaphysical here. There's something deeper than just, you know, the the search For advantage, which is a big motivator among people, but there's something more than that going on. Why are we intentionally wrecking the society? And we are. And I and I hear people say, well, it's because some people are getting paid. Yeah. It's not really an adequate answer. It's more than that. There's something going on. Like, Distinctively, people wanna some people want to tear it all down. And I don't think it's necessary so they can rebuild it To their own advantage. I think, like, destruction is the point. And I just watch carefully. And I don't really know what's going on here, but something Much deeper than what we're acknowledging is going on here. Speaker 4: Well, I think it comes back to this point about I can't get what these other people have. Yes. And there's now an insurmountable barrier That I cannot ever get there. Speaker 3: Yes. I don't know. Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't explain why but hold on. That that doesn't explain, like, why, for example, Dustin in Moscow is supporting revolutionary politics and Chesa Boudini and the BLO. Speaker 0: I think it's a good example, Sacks. I think it does. When you have massive abundance, to Chamath's Point about the idle mind. You know, Dustin Moskovitz has achieved more than any human could achieve, 1,000,000,000 of dollars. And now he's got this surplus And then whatever, you know, to to Tucker's point, whatever he's dealing with personally now becomes this, you know, canvas under which he's gonna that wealth in an outsourced way. I think it actually does explain it. Speaker 2: It fits more with, like, luxury beliefs than with the idea that, like, scarcity or envy is somehow driving it. Speaker 0: Yeah. But yes. So those are luxury beliefs, and he's got a huge bankroll. Therefore, it has an outsized impact as sort of Tucker's been saying. Speaker 4: I think the the the luxury point is once you reach A certain point, your attention can then shift to morality. You you when you're starving in a street, and you need to feed your children. Speaker 0: Correct. Speaker 4: You're not focusing your whole day on the morality and better treatment of others in the world and extending, you know, morality to the rest of the world, but when you have that luxury, You have to focus your attention in in that sense. I do think that there's this large element that the term equality gets recast Into every aspect of society, which ultimately leads to this general point of view of Marxism, which is everyone has to have an equal outcome versus an equal opportunity, And that's where the prosperity takes this. Speaker 3: You but I think I I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I I I think it's maybe more profound than that. I mean, You're absolutely right that only societies that have reached a certain point can afford to think about certain things. You don't see you know, hunter gatherer societies don't debate Effective altruism because they're looking for roots. Okay? So I I agree with that. Yep. However, if you look at the behavior of, you know, some of the richest people in our society and I can't speak to Dustin part. Moskovitz, but I I have the you know, I know people like that. What they're funding are not exactly luxury beliefs. They're it's they're, like, funding destruction, actually. And so, like, previous generations of liberal rich people funded things like public libraries, summer camps for poor kids. Remember the New York Times used to have Fundraisers, like Fresh Air Fund or whatever. And and people made fun of it. I always kinda like that. Like, you have extra money and, like, you know, help the poor kids. You You know, whether it works or not, we can debate, but, like, I get it. But, Dustin Mosk if you're Dustin Moskowitz or any I don't mean to pick on him, but any, like, really rich person you and you're at Baker's Bay or some discovery property that, you know, you and your billionaire friends go to, you might occur to you, like, why not build one of these for, like, all the poor kids? But only poor black kids get to go to this resort for a week. And that might be it might work. It might not work. Like, all of American Social re the history of American social reform is kind of species of that. Like, we're gonna help poor people by doing this or that. That's not what they're doing. It's like, hey, poor people. Here are some more crack pipes. And, like, we're gonna it's immoral to criticize your drug addiction. What we need are more black people selling weed or it's cool to set fires, and we can't criticize you for burning down Wendy's. Like, what? That is not the same thing. That is super dark. There's no even possibility of uplift or advancement. It's just the opposite. They know it. These are smart people. So, like, what are we looking at? Pot. First of Speaker 0: all, Tucker, he's in dust in dusting's mind. I'm sure he believes he's doing the right thing. Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's Speaker 0: I guess he's kinda playing. Speaker 2: He thinks he's funding social justice. I think, like, Soros would be an even better example, right? Where like it's hard to argue that what he's funding is not extremely destructive. So the revolutionary politics are not somehow coming from below the way you would expect a revolution to normally happen, they're being imposed from above by some of the biggest winners in our society. And that is weird. That is a contradiction. Speaker 0: They're not being watched Speaker 2: all yet. Speaker 0: It is it is a bizarre outcome. Speaker 3: Let let's It's exactly what you'd expect. And it's exactly what happened in the Bolshevik revolution. I mean, half of the Romanoff household, the you know, Nicholas the second, who was murdered with his wife and children in the basement, as you know, by the Bolsheviks. His extended household supported the Bolsheviks. Rich People who are a small minority, by the way. There are a 1000000 different revolutionary groups at the end of the 1st World War in Russia. Clearly, there was gonna be a change. Clearly, the monarchy was doomed. And there were a lot of different options. And the most radical, crazy, nihilistic, atheistic option was the Bolsheviks. And they had the support of the rich people, And, like, including the Zarzaur's family. So, like, what is that? It's the same thing. Always the same thing. It's the people with the most Have the strongest desire to kill themselves and their society. That's just true. Speaker 0: It's an interesting theory. I mean, there are some people who are very Alright. You have Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos who are thinking about philanthropy in a very thoughtful way. Now, they can make mistakes, of course, but they're thinking, hey, where's the most suffering? How do I work backwards from mosquito tents to, You know, vaccines or whatever, you know, we perceive is, or they perceive is the most suffering they can relieve in the world. So it does seem like it can go either way. Speaker 4: Tucker, do you think it's because most people that get very wealthy very fast feel like it was unfair, And they feel guilty. I mean, they have to, like, destroy the system that got them there. Speaker 3: I think there's a lot I think that's such a deep point, though, because And you I know that, you know, you live of an among people. I mean, you're familiar with this world. So and only someone who is could say that because you're absolutely right. Rich people are not all the same. If you meet someone who made his money incrementally over time, he's much less likely to have The desire. You know, you may not agree with him on everything. He may be a good person, a bad person, but he doesn't wanna tear it down. And he doesn't feel especially guilty for what he has. And I have found just Nonpolitical point. But as I get older, I wanna spend less time with people who hate themselves because they're not capable of loving other people. Like, that's not a good place to start, actually, as a person to hate yourself or fear feel super guilty. It really isn't. You don't end up helping others when you feel that way. But when you find people who inherited a lot of money, we never talk about that. It's a huge problem in this country. I'm not I'm not arguing for the death tax at all. But I'm just saying, as an observation, there are off there's a huge class of people with massive inherited wealth, and they're almost all horrible. Not all of them. I mean, I know, you know, very well. I know some of them, and they're fine. They're some of them are great. But as a class, they're awful. And they don't help at all. And they're also super annoying and dumb. And I think it's the well well, it's just true and everyone knows it's true. Speaker 4: But you don't wanna talk about it. Speaker 1: We're about to do that for tens of millions of Americans. Right? You know? We're about to go The largest generation of wealth transfer beyond imagination. We're talking 1,000,000,000,000 and trillions and trillions. Speaker 4: I know. Speaker 1: So I know. That problem that you just So we did we're gonna cascade across tens of millions of Americans. Yeah. Speaker 0: Which also happened in Japan. Speaker 3: I agree. Speaker 0: And in Japan, they have a negative growth rate as well. Let let's Pivot to a a topic that Wait. Can we can I ask Speaker 3: you, have you been to Japan recently? Speaker 0: Yeah. I was there last year. Speaker 3: Okay. So me too. So so I You know, peep you always read, like, all the libertarian economists and the Wall Street Journal. They're always like, oh, Japan's a disaster. Negative growth. And then you go to Japan. Speaker 0: Oh, it's the best place you could ever visit. It's my favorite country. Just hands down. Did you go to Tokyo? Did you go skiing in Nasako? Where'd you go? Speaker 3: I went to Kyoto and Tokyo, and I'll be back to ski on the North Island because it's like why wouldn't you? It's like Oh, have you ever Speaker 0: skied Ressecco? Speaker 1: I never have, but Speaker 3: I'm It's incredible. Speaker 0: I went last year. It is like 25 out of 30 days in January February, it dumps powder and the powder is like dust. It's it's like makes Utah powder look like heavy. It is insane. All. Team. I'm going back if you wanna go. Speaker 4: Part. Room, you guys would have, like, 1 housekeeping bed. Speaker 0: This is gonna make Sacks Speaker 4: lose his mind if Tucker and I caught in his cell phone. Speaker 0: Wait. Wait. Can I just ask you a question? Like Yes. Speaker 3: If If Japan is is is the butt of every joke that economists tell or Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 3: The focus of the concern of economy, you know, lots of chin tugging and threading about Japan's negative Economy. And then you go to Japan, and there's literally not 1 piece of litter, and 4 year olds ride the subway on a country Speaker 0: Highest function society you could imagine, Okay. Birth rate is going down. That's the only thing The birth the birth rate Speaker 3: is a real thing. I totally agree. That's probably the product of getting atomic bombs dropped on you. Right. And maybe the fact also that, like, the highest testosterone males flew their planes into US aircraft carriers or whatever. I mean, there's probably a lot of reasons. Interesting theory. But it It what? That's a real thing, by the way. You kill all the high teen males, and your society changes. But but I don't think that we're using the right measurements. And I do think that we're taking economists a little more seriously than they deserve because they're not describing what Japan actually is, which is freaking awesome And way more functional than our society despite the massive disparity in drug waste. Speaker 0: You'll find is every person in Japan takes their job that they're doing As incredibly important and has massive pride in it. That's why when you go there as an American, you're like, wait, wasn't this what America was about? It's it's it's Really shocking is Americans are like, this is what I want society to be. I want the person who works in the subway or the stock market or the newspaper to take their job deadly serious and put their best effort in. Part. And why should I care Speaker 3: about growth? Right? Wait. But hold on. Why should I care about economic growth at least as measured Speaker 0: in the conventional sense? Speaker 4: The only reason is if you pot. A lot of debt. Speaker 0: That's it. Yes. Speaker 4: Right. If you if you if you didn't have all the debt, you don't care about it. You shouldn't care about economic growth rate with respect to the measure Speaker 0: of prosperity. The strange that happens, I pie. Speaker 2: Also, you know, if the pie isn't getting bigger and people aren't doing better, then that does sow the seeds for a revolution. I mean, all this divisiveness will start to explode if people don't feel like their circumstances are getting better off. This is where I mean in this in this one limited way, I guess I'd be in favor of rapid change, which is the technological area. I mean I'm against revolutionary politics, I'm against that kind of revolutionary change because it almost never works out but I do think that revolutionary change in the narrow category of technology is ultimately good for us. I know it creates challenges. I know it creates disruption. People do lose their jobs and have to find new ones, but it is the basis for American prosperity and the basis for our economy being productive and America having a powerful military and all those things. So I I don't know if there's a difference between us, Tucker, but I do think that in this area of technological change, I'm not sort of a dispositional conservative. I mean, this is kind of like Peter Thiel, right? I don't want us to slow down. Actually, I want us to be successful. And it feels like, actually, it's the people on the left who are generally in this camp of wanting to slow us down, admire us in regulations, and make it harder to Make progress technologically, because that's something they don't control. Speaker 3: I agree with that. I just I guess the net result is what I care about. I think it's If you talk to old people, which I now that I'm getting older and I've talked to, you know, older relatives and stuff, like, what what bothers you? And I used to think it was, you know, taking a leak 6 times tonight. But it's really not. The thing that bothers old people I've spoken to anyway is the change. It's like they don't just don't recognize it. And that's really hard for people to deal with. And so all I'm saying I'm certainly not calling for a halt to technological progress. That would be terrible. All I'm saying is in tandem with those advancements should be the concern about people's ability To digest massive change. And, like, let's keep some things the same. You know, you just can't change everything. It's, like, bad. It's super bad. So, like, maybe we get a a I, but let's keep Halloween. Speaker 0: Part. Tradition and things that bring people together. This country was built off of, immigrants, Obviously. And, this is one of the most polarizing issues, Tucker, in each election cycle and in the country, writ large right now. What what are you what is your vision for how American immigration should work here in the 21st century? Speaker 3: Part. Ideally or right now? Speaker 0: Right now. And then then ideally. Let's let's start with what would you do right now, short term? Well, actually, let me Speaker 3: if you don't if you don't mind, I'll quickly invert And say, of course, the goal is just a is just a rational immigration policy whose purpose is to help your country. What would that mean? I can see well, I can see an argument, for example, if you needed, You know? I don't know. I mean, there there was a time for the guy who was just saying, my college roommate, my best friend, came to this country from India because both his parents were physicians. And there was a Lack of physicians with deindustrialization. Everyone's moving out of the small towns. And so we expedited the visas of foreign physicians. Most of them were Indians. I think most were Indians. His His parents actually came from Africa. But whatever the point is, they're Indian doctors, and they came here, and they settled in a little town in Massachusetts, a rural town, dying mill town. And it was great. It was great for them. It was great for the town. The guy became my best friend. I mean, like, that's just that's what you want. Right? We need this. And we're gonna, in a very smart, intentional way, try to get it on the world market. And we can. We will. And I'm totally for that. What we're doing now is throwing open the doors to anyone who wants to come here from the poorest countries in the world at a scale that we can't possibly digest. So So how many people are here illegally working off the books? Some estimates, 60, 70,000,000. Those are real estimates, by the way, not crackpot estimates. But the truth is we don't know. We have no idea. So we've completely lost control. And we don't know who these people are. I honestly think most of them are here for a better life. I believe that. I think most of them are probably good people. I think most of them agree with my politics, actually, for whatever it's worth. Definitely much more than the private unhappy private equity wives do, for sure. The average guy from Nigeria is, like, On my side. Every Salvadoran agrees with me. So I like that. But I also think it's too much, actually, at exactly the moment when native born Americans' birth rates are tanking, over a 100,000 people die of Fentanyl ODs. And we're pushing euthanasia on the population, which we are. You're you basically, you're saying you have given up on the people who live here, whatever their color or background, and we're just gonna import new people and replace them with new people. That's literally what's happening. And when you say that out loud, they freak out and call you some sort of crazed bigot for saying the word replacement, but that's what it is. And it's happening in Western Europe and Ireland, particularly. That's what those those riots were about. Not that I'm endorsed in the riots, but that's what that was. And that's, like, insane for a government to do to its own people. It's just it's totally insane. And and more than anything, it is an expression of loathing For the people who live there. It's a dilution of their political power. It's a dilution of their economic power. It's the total destruction of the basic services that they paid for, like schools, hospitals, Roads. Like, those are gone. And so last thing I'll say is people say, well, immigrants are coming here looking for a better a a life, and I believe that. Having talked to a lot of immigrants and grown part. In Southern California. I totally believe that. But the question for government is, am I making the citizen's life better? It's like no one even thinks that. So it's importing people making the life so when my friend's parents came, both physicians, to the little town little mill town in New England, His parents made the town better for the people who lived there. They were the doctors. And they were super successful, actually, and great people. Speaker 1: Tucker, can you give us a rundown of the current political landscape? Just tell us, I'm just really curious what you think about RFK, Biden, Trump, pot. Van. Maybe, like, 10, 15 seconds on each. Speaker 3: It's so hard. It's so hard. I mean, I I mean, the thing that jumps out today, my view changes all the time. I don't think Biden can be the nominee. His only point was to, You know, stop Bernie Sanders, basically. And he's, outlived his usefulness, so I think he'll be I'm pretty sure he'll place. But, as on the on the Republican side and the Independents, you know, it's so hard to know. I'm just mesmerized by the love for Nikki Haley, who's, like, The most and I'm sorry. And, like, for example, I saw Jamie Dimon who I really like and I know and I have always admired. But when Jamie Dimon starts, like, Free balling on, you know, Nikki Haley and saying nonsensical things with Nikki Haley. I'm like, I wanna call him and say you're humiliating yourself. First of all, you're way out of your depth. You have no idea what you're talking about. But for another, you're just betraying how completely out of touch you are. And I think Jamie got and, again, I say this with admiration for Jamie Dimon, which is long held. But, like, if you get to a place where you think that Nikki Haley has a shot of getting elected in a free and fair election, like, you have no idea what's going on in your own country. It's just embarrassing to say that. Super embarrassing. Speaker 0: Explain to the audience. Unpack that. Why is Nikki Haley not gonna Speaker 3: it really it's not personal. I actually don't care for Nikki Haley as a person, but that's immaterial. Nikki Haley's program, from what she stands for, what she believes, may be moral or immoral, God will judge. It's not popular with the with the public. And it's super easy to know that. Speaker 0: On wars, specifically. Yeah. Speaker 3: Or stands on war and in economics. And and we know that from looking at the Gallup poll, which is a rolling survey of people's attitudes on things. And in an actual democracy, you would see the leading candidates or people who hope to become the leading candidates articulate concerns and layout views that reflected the concerns of the population who are gonna vote them into office. Speaker 0: But Nikki Haley the most Right now. Speaker 3: Well, Trump. Speaker 2: Is it fair to say Nikki Haley is basically an unreconstructed Bush republican? Yes. Speaker 0: Yes. Speaker 2: Her views are basically the same views of George w Bush. Pot. She once again is in all sorts of new wars and I don't even think she regrets the forever wars in the Middle East that were so disastrous. I haven't heard one word of criticism from her or remorse that she supported all those things. And on the economic policies, this is kind of this like corporatism. It's like the whole Trump rebellion never even happened in the Republican party. It's just like it's just like right back to the past. And the fact that The establishment sort of coalescing around her kind of tells me that as much as I didn't want to believe this, I think that Trump is still the indispensable figure in the Republican Party, because if you take him away, they're going to revert right back to where they were. They're gonna Exactly. Go right back to the factory settings of Republicans, which is Bush republicanism. Speaker 1: Tucker, can you just finish the rest of them? Yes. JFK, Vivek, Trump. Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I you know, I know Vivek well personally, and I'm I'm it shows that I'm out of touch too. I mean, you know, 54. So I don't have my finger on every pulse. But so I like Vivek, actually. And and but I see these surveys where he's not, you he's not doing well and people don't like his personality or whatever. He's he's a little overbearing. That never bothers me at all. I'm just not put off by that at all. And I'm a little bit confused by why he's not doing better. Again, that's a reflection on I've just made fun of Jamie Dimon. Here I am doing it myself. Like, Why isn't Vivek doing better? I'm sure there are reasons. I just don't. I think his program is solid. I think he's reasonable. I think he's smart. I don't think he has some creepy agenda. Pot. So but he's not he's not doing well. That's just a fact. Bobby Kennedy, I know quite well and and think a lot of him. And, he's a very I think he's a decent man and a principled person. I think he's smart. You know, I'm I I don't have quite as much confidence in maybe some of the people around him. I'm not I feel like maybe there are other Agendas that he's not aware of. You know, I don't know. I can't assess. But, yeah. So that's what I think. Speaker 1: President Trump? Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, the New York Times had a a piece. I think it was Jonathan Swan, was smart. And, had a a piece Telling you what you already knew, kinda, but proving it with numbers that Trump became the nominee in August of last year, 2022, When the FBI went to his wife's underwear drawer in his house. Like, that was so insane that even if you're like, I can't deal with more Trump and he didn't actually Do anything, put Jared in charge. You know, like, there are lots of frustrations you could have about Trump if you supported Trump, and you could be disappointed. But the 2nd the FBI raids his house on a documents charge, and anyone from Washington, as I am, can tell you that's, like, insane. Like, every that's, like, so common. It's not if they're charging him for that, that's a joke. Where are the felonies he supposedly committed? I was led to believe he, like, murdered people and buried them in the meadowlands. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's the best they got when they did that. I I know for a fact, and this piece showed it, but I knew it already, a lot of people are like, you know, I have mixed feelings about Trump, or I don't wanna deal with more Trump trauma. But if this is allowed to happen, our system won't continue. That's so outrageous that I mean, let's just stop lying about it. That's a political prosecution. You can't have that. Of the presidential front runner? You can't have that. We already did it with Nixon. You can't Speaker 0: do that Speaker 3: again. And so I think that's the key to his surge. I really do think that. Speaker 4: Who's the Democratic nominee if you think Biden's not gonna be Speaker 0: Oh, it's Speaker 3: Gavin. Gavin. It's Gavin. For sure. Speaker 0: Well, of Speaker 3: course, because He's by far the most evil person in the Democratic Party. And in the end, they just sort of rise to the peak. You know, like, oil and water, man. Speaker 4: Yeah. Tucker, just just comment on Gavin vetoing the bill that said that you could kind of remove the parents remove the child part. From the parents if the parents don't affirm the transgender rights of the child. That I think there was a a lot of folks who sit in your camp, typically, Who were shocked and surprised and said, wow. I didn't know Gavin actually, you know, had an span had a span of opinions, and this is interesting to see. I mean, what's what, Like yeah. Speaker 0: There's no one Speaker 3: I know who thought that. And everyone I know who watched that thought the same thing they thought when he met with Xi, which is, oh, he's he's gonna be the nominee. Yeah. I mean, of course, that's what that was. I mean, I know I know Gavin Newsom. And, you know, I I think a lot about Gavin Newsom, many different things about Gavin Newsom. But one thing I know for a fact about Gavin Newsom is he has the capacity to be the lie detector test. Gavin Newsom will say anything he needs to say not like Biden's not like this, actually. Whatever Biden's fault, he's not like this. Like, Biden would, You know, he has, like, guilt. If he's lying to you, he gets twitchy. Gavin Newsom's palms don't sweat. His respiration doesn't increase. His body temperature doesn't change. Nothing changes in Gavin Newsom when he lies to your face. And there are not that many people like that, actually. That's a rare quality. Like, to lock down the state, to keep people's kids from getting an education, and To arrest people for surfing and then go have dinner at the French Laundry, like, most people couldn't do that. They'd just be like You're saying Speaker 0: he's a sociopath. Just he can lie and not care. Speaker 3: I'm not a psychiatrist, but I so I don't know that I don't really know the category and I'm not gonna diagnose him, but I'll just say in 50 years of being around pot of people. I've met very few who can behave that way. Very, very few. It's a very unusual quality and, of course, it's probably useful In politics. Speaker 1: Is he electable? Is he electable? Yeah. Exactly. Are the American people gonna see that the way that you see it? Or Speaker 3: Well, as you know, the system in California does not include elections. I mean, it has nothing to do with what the people think. It's a it's a machine state. It's the most corrupt out of 50. Kamala Harris was, like, by most Californians, and she, you know, was a sitting US senator. Diane poor Diane Feinstein, my neighbor in Washington, I I don't I don't think she was a horrible person just for the record. But she was noncompass menis. And, like, she could have lived well beyond her death as a US senator. So it's like it's not a democratic state, small d democratic state. It's not run On the basis of what the population wants. It's a fixed game in California. And so it does make me very uncomfortable that someone from that Political culture, which is an utterly corrupt political culture, an authoritarian political culture could, like, enter a presidential race. Because, like, Clearly, what are you running on if you're Gavin Newsom? As a native Californian, you know, I know what the state was like in 1985, because I lived there. And it's Completely degraded from that from that time. And, like, how did that happen? Well, part of the big reason the big reason is the political leadership of the state. You've got nothing to run on. What are you running? Have you driven through LA recently? Like, seriously. So the fact that he would get in the race suggests, You know, they think that they can win without the consent of voters, and that freaks me out. Speaker 2: Well, he'll have the media working on overdrive for him. Right? I mean, they will turn him somehow into, like, John F. Kennedy or something. I mean, they will paper over All of his flaws and they'll, you know, they'll basically write puff pieces. It'll it'll be, like, nonstop, and then they'll be attacking Trump. So the media will put him over the top, I think, if he Speaker 3: Well, assuming that we have the same media that we had in 2020, that's true. But, I mean, that's why you just gotta pray every night for Elon's health. And I mean it, too. I mean it. It's the only platform at scale in the world that's pretty you know, there's censorship on it. But there's not mass censorship, actually. There isn't. And that's the only platform of its kind At scale. It's the only one. Speaker 2: So let's talk about that actually. So I mean we've talked in this conversation about how our public discourse is Inane and self destructive and divisive. I would add another word to that, which is controlled, pot controlled. A good example of this I think was just on the Ukraine war. David Arakomia who is Zelensky's parliamentary leader who was the lead negotiator for the Ukrainians at Istanbul in the 1st months of the war when there was a deal on the table he just Testify, basically said in an interview, there was a deal on the table to shut the war down. We just would have had to agree to make Ukraine neutral And of course, the Biden administration told them not to. This war is and has always been about NATO expansion. And yet, The party line from the media even as all of these proof points stack up I mean we're now on like the 10th person firsthand witness to say that this is what this war is all about you still can't get the media to honestly report this this is one example okay and I believe that this is one of the reasons why you were fired tucker is because you were literally the only person on mainstream network news saying what the war is really about. So this is like one really big example is that we cannot get any truth on an issue as big as Ukraine war. So I guess my question for you is like how does control like that happen like I I don't really understand it myself we live in a big What's supposed to be a big democracy, there's supposed to be a lot of media channels, but yet they all enforce a certain narrative on pretty much every issue, but even you know again I'm picking on I think one of the biggest issues right now which is this war we've got going on, I mean, how does that happen? I I don't understand it. How do they maintain that control? Speaker 3: This is one of my personal concerns about technology And about progress of all kinds, which is you don't actually know where it's going. You don't. I mean, your best forecasts are are mine have very often been wrong. And the you know, of course, the promise of the Internet Was diversity and access to information from a lot of different sources, unfiltered information. You can talk to people in foreign countries for free. You know, every American will have an encyclopedia at his fingertips, and people are gonna be much more informed, and no one will be able to control it because it's it's free and open. And and the effect has been, you know, the opposite. There's less I I would argue there's been, less freedom, in information than there was 30 years ago. How did that happen? I mean, that's it's a very comp I mean, you guys are much better situated to answer that question. Someone should think about that, I think. But the bottom line is, there are just not that many pipelines, actually. You know, in television, there were 3 big news channels. Cable, you know, broadcast Kind of receded in importance. It's mostly about prostate health now. And, so 3 big channels. 2 of them were on one side. 1 was on the other. And then there were the social media giants, but there are not that many of them. And they were all locked down, and they were all riddled with intel. In some cases, actual salaried intel officers. Matt Taibbi's amazing reporting has shown this. Not just American either from foreign countries. The whole thing was an op. It was insane. And, and, you know, you could I'm not gonna beat up on Fox News, but there was a kind of a Fairly narrow band of acceptable views allowed on that channel. Is that control? Yes, it is. And so there there really was no remaining place with scale Where someone with a dissenting view could give it voice. And that's just crazy. It's the opposite of what we were promised. But whatever. Not to whine about it. But the existence of x, where anyone around the world, or in most countries anyway, can get for free a whole range of opinions that aren't controlled, That changes everything. Like, the the the primacy of controlled information in a war cannot be overstated. Like, that's You can debate whether it's more important than ammunition, but it's right up there. You know? And, so I think this election if that platform stays free for the next 12 months, You know, I think we have a shot at least of a real election, but if it does and I think they're gonna do whatever they can to shut it down. Speaker 0: We also have web based shows, podcasts, And that even predated a little bit Elon taking over, you know, X. There is a self correcting mechanism here. If you feel too controlled, Like, maybe perhaps you felt or you felt pressure at Fox. I don't wanna speak for you if you did. Then all of a sudden, Joe Rogan, all in podcast, whatever, all emerge and now your show on X and I I'm sure it's gonna be on other platforms as well. Maybe you can speak to what you think the impact of a post Fox Tucker Carlson Show will be, and and how will you be able to sort of shape the show differently, if at all? And what's the mission here? That was just my first question we never really got to, which is post Fox, post Money, post Fame, what is Tucker Carlson's Mission statement going forward. What is your goal? Speaker 3: Just the same the same as before. And I should just be extra clear. I I wish I could tell harder stories about Fox, You know, forcing me to take some line or other. But they they really didn't. But, you know, they didn't want the show anymore, so that kinda tells you. But anyway, the point is, My intent in hosting that show is the same as my intent in hosting the show we're about to launch on x, which is, you know, just do your best to say what you think is true. Bring perspectives and information that you don't think are widely covered to a larger audience. And, you know, try and stay firm in that. Admit when you're wrong. Like, just be honest. It's it's actually not it's you know, I got in this business because I hadn't graduated from college. And my father's like, it's it's a pretty pure meritocracy in journalism. You should do it. And it's also pretty simple. No no real skills required. Just be literate, which I was. Speaker 0: And is the show gonna evolve a little bit? Because you you've been doing this experiment, done about 40 episodes. Speaker 3: Well, here's the way here's way that it already has evolved. So I got laid off in in April. And I, you know, I like to I like to fish and bird hunt, so I did a lot of that. Then I was like, I need to do something. So I've been stuck in a studio for all these, you know, many, many years. I couldn't really go anywhere. And I went I took 7 foreign trips in 4 months. I just went to all these places where I knew people. I was interested in what was going on. And I just found it amazing. 2 things I found amazing. One, The view of America, the advances you get from a foreign country on what's happening in your own is completely different. There's also a lot the whole world is reshuffling, in my view, After the Ukraine war, February 2022 really did change a lot, particularly with respect to America's place in the world. That's worth covering. And And the second thing I learned once I started putting videos up on X was that it's international. I mean, I was just shocked by that. I mean, because think about it. I mean, I'm working for a US News channel. It's one of 3 US news channels I've worked for. CNN was international, but I was on CNN US. So I'm just used to thinking about America being viewed by Americans having conversation about this country. I had no experience at all of a of an of a big international audience, and that platform has that. And so I was amazed by that. And so, we're gonna continue to cover the rest of the world. I'm going Over to Dubai in February interviewing a democrat Speaker 0: Socratic opinion. Spending time And Speaker 3: the state over it's just so inter it's just so interesting. There's so much going on. It's like crazy. People And this is not a political point. This is like a human point that bothers me almost more than anything politically, which is the death of curiosity. It's like people are not curious. Like, what the hell? I thought the technological revolution would would set off, like, explosions in the brain of every person. Like, what is that? I wanna learn more, and it had exactly the opposite. It's like lonely to sleep with TikTok. Don't tell me more. I don't want to know. Speaker 4: Double down on what you already what you already believed. Yeah. Speaker 3: What is it? Over and Speaker 0: over and over again. Yeah. Speaker 3: I know I'm less certain in my beliefs. I know that I know less than any time in my life, And I'm much more interested in many more things than I've ever been. I think that's normal. And I think there's something, like, in the water or something that's making people not care. The UFO thing. Like, what? Whatever your views of that. Like, woah. What is that? Shut up. And that's normal people. Don't wanna hear it. Why? I don't know. Whatever. I don't wanna pre explain it. Speaker 0: Post COVID, we still don't have an accounting of what happened. And, Tucker, what do Speaker 1: you think about the the The clip yesterday of Elon. Speaker 0: Let's play it for 45 seconds and then get your response, Tucker Carlson. Speaker 5: Apology tour, If you will. Speaker 6: This had been said online. There was all of the criticism. There was advertisers leaving. We talked to Bob Iger. I hope Speaker 5: they stop. You hope? Don't advertise. Speaker 6: You don't want them to advertise? No. Speaker 5: What do Speaker 6: you mean? Speaker 0: If somebody is going to try to Speaker 5: black With advertising? With money? Go fuck yourself. But go fuck yourself. Is that clear? Speaker 0: Yes, you go. Speaker 5: I hope it is. Hey, Bob. Sure. New audience. Speaker 6: Well, let me ask you then. Speaker 5: That's how I feel. Speaker 0: Alright, Tucker. Your response To the good for you, you know, g f y. Speaker 3: I mean, I I Elon You know, interviewed people every week for Over 30 years. And so I know what it is to interview I just dropped my pair here. Excuse me. And I know, you know, I know I have a lot of experience interviewing people. I've interviewed you on. You know? And I don't understand how the the New York Times character, fussy little guy from Speaker 4: the New York Times Speaker 0: how did you not laugh? Like, what? He just told Bob all. Fire to fucking tell you. Don't get me started. You and I are in sync. Andrew Rorschachin is amongst the weakest of moderators interviewers. But Speaker 3: he's just Speaker 0: what a what a fussy little douche. Like, that's the mother. We just like huge douche. You were rough saying you were totally like, Are you joking? Elon Musk just told Bob Hager to fuck himself? Like Yes. I've been texting my response. Blah blah. Speaker 3: I know. No. Of course, I love it. I love it. I I am in the Iger thing. I you know, I don't hate Bob Iger or anything. But, like, I keep hearing from people, You know, mutual people I know who know Bob Iger very well, they're just, like, very serious about running for president. And it's like, if you really think if you're Bob pot. You can run for president. If you have anything to offer people and they want you to be president, like, you're pretty out of touch. So I like that. But, you know, big picture, I'm I'm really and I'm not just saying this because it it, you know, aligns with my interests of some kind. I mean it. I'm worried about the pressure this we brought to bear on that platform, on this platform, on x, because it's the only one, the only big one, A huge one. International one. Tens of millions of people. Hundreds of millions of people. Like, they have to cut they, meaning the people who would like to maintain the status quo, Kinda have to shut it down. And I am just so hoping that, You know, I can help in any way and that all decent people, whatever their views, add their voice to a chorus that says, no. You can't shut down the 1 big Free speech platform in the world. You can't do that because then it's just dictatorship. You're not free if you don't have free information, and you can't say what you really thought. Speaker 0: You are Subject to a lot of these, advertising attacks. They they went after Fox and your show specifically and and and it worked. They got People to not advertise on your show. Yeah. So these advertising boycotts do work, media matters, whatever, you know, whoever's doing them. So I'm curious what You see the business model being for your show and then how you hope to be resistant to it. Are you going to just go straight up subscription and hope that Half your audience or 10% of your audience pays and you put half out for free, half out for sub? What are you thinking? Speaker 3: You gotta have a subscription component to it. And, of course, We're selling ads against our content, and we'll be doing that on x and on tucker carlson.com. We'll be hosting the the subscription Part of it. Of course, we're selling ads. We're you know, we'll have network ads too. I mean, there are lots of different things you can do. But in the end, you have to have some subscription component if you're gonna do it at scale. I mean, we brought our whole staff almost our whole staff from Fox with us. So we got a bunch of people. We've got, you know, bigger ambitions than have been on display so far. And, And we you know, you gotta have more information. And and I would just say this about just having been in this one business my whole life. The range of stories is the problem. It's not that the stories are all totally dishonest. Some are dishonest. But some are not. They're technically true. But they're taken from such a small pot of stories that it's like it's crazy. There's all this stuff going on. And it's just not I mean, I was completely obsessed and remain obsessed with the industrial sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. It's like that's like that's that's a major historical event. Like, you just you just ended the EU. You just hobbled the economic engine of Europe, which is Germany. And, like, who did that? And there were, like, very few stories on that. That's, like, a very big deal. And, again, back to the curiosity thing, but it's more than that. It's like the People sort of know what where not to go. And I just feel like that's first of all, that's soul death. You're not a free man if You're that constrained in your thinking if you're letting somebody else tell you what you're allowed to think. How can your wife how can your wife even sleep with you at that point? She no one can respect you if you live like that, a. B, you can't have a democracy. You can't have a free country under the circumstances. So I don't think I'm overstating it. And so we're gonna try to, I hope, be one of many different similar efforts To just add to the sum total of information and analysis of that information. Speaker 0: Well, the end of the end of democracy and sex would be kind of rough, I think. Yeah. Go ahead, Triple. Yeah. Speaker 1: I have a final question, and I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist. But, If one of the presidential candidates called you and said, Tucker, be my VP. Speaker 3: And replace Kamala Harris? I mean, I don't think I can do that. She's a historic president. Tucker, Speaker 1: would you consider it if Donald Trump gave you that call? Speaker 3: Well, of course, I would consider it. I'd con I mean, You have no idea how open minded I am. I just Speaker 0: don't consider anything, actually. Speaker 3: But, I mean, the truth is I kinda don't respect people who do stuff like that. I really believe I've got a lot of theories which I will not inflict on you, but which I do inflict on my own 4 children. And my main theory of life is that you should do what you are designed to do. I don't believe this whole you can be whatever you wanna be thing. I think it's a absurd lie. I think we're made for certain things. We have certain aptitudes. They're inborn. They can we can hone them, and we need to through practice, repetition. But It's very I I think it's a it's it's a sign of hubris, which is always the death of particularly of men, hubris, thinking you have more power than you do. When midlife, you're like, well, actually, what I really wanna do is direct. It's like, you just won best actress, honey. Go back to acting. And I've never been involved in politics. I've never I haven't even voted in all elections. I'm serious. So, like, the idea that I'm going to, at 54, like, Running for national office, I it's a little you know what I mean? Like, I don't take myself quite that seriously. I mean, I I can't imagine doing something like that. Speaker 0: The reason my Speaker 1: asking question is that if we're at least the the Republicans will now Prove that we've lived in a 12 year era of a non traditional candidate. That was essentially a media personality that was able to then curate A plurality of support. Right? Speaker 3: That's right. Speaker 0: And Speaker 1: there's gonna be something that comes after him. And so I'm just trying to get a sense of, if it's not you, it's probably, to be very honest, Somebody like you. Right? Yes. And what I'm So just talk to us about that for just a second. Speaker 3: I completely agree with you, and I I love your characterization of is someone who's from a media background, because that that's closer to the I'm not diminishing. I'm from media backgrounds. I'm not attacking it. But that's a lot closer to the truth Than most characterizations, casino magnate, developer. He was a media guy. You know, he had lots of businesses. But he was a media guy. He had the top show on NBC. And so I think you're absolutely right. My concern is and I have pure contempt for the Professional political class. I've written a book about it. I've expressed it daily for a number of years now. So and it's real. However, I think That they're you know, these are complex systems, and it's better to have someone who understands the systems in an ideal world administer the systems because he's more effective at doing so. And I also think that once you decide that like, hey, we'll just go crazy, and you couple that with true Social disorder, like you get to a place where you can't buy anything at CVS because it's chained up because shoplifting has been legalized as it has been in California, What you're going to get is fascism because people can't live in in that and they can't live with chaos. Like, that's the one thing they can't deal with. And I've covered a couple of wars, and that was my main conclusion. The main problem with war is not that people get killed. It's that people have to live with total uncertainty and craziness. And that's incompatible with what people want. Like, that's the that's the worst thing. You know? Die we're all gonna die. Dying is not the worst thing. The worst thing is living in chaos. And we're starting to live in chaos. And so the return to order is what scares me. I think it'd be very easy. And I do think Gavin Newsom is a fascist. I think he's the kind of person who have no problem, no hesitation About using the DOJ to to imprison his political opponents. Now Biden is imprisoning his political opponents, but at least they're lying about it. Gavin Newsom is the kind of person who'd be like, well, yeah. You're you're a threat to the general order, and you're going to jail. And I think because we're in a moment of chaos right now, People kinda want that, actually. I think one of the purposes of degrading and confusing our society is to make way for authoritarianism even more than we have now. So that kind of freaks me out, actually. I personally what I would really like is a kind of colorless, You know, boring, noncharismatic, like, Gerald Ford, Mike Pence without their views. Both of those men were bad men, in my opinion. But someone like that who could govern without making it about himself and restore the country to a sense of rules based Order. That's what I really want. And I but I'm probably gonna be denied that. Speaker 4: Tucker, I I feel like one of the one of the other Consequences of the way things have gone is that the solution has always been to throw more money at the problem, and we've got this kind of out of control fiscal condition. What's Your point of view on the fiscal condition of the US as a priority, the federal government that it has a priority. And, You know, do we need to shrink government? Shrink overall discretionary spending? Do we need to cut these entitlements? Do we need to do it all? And How do we get there given that everyone gets elected by telling people I'm gonna give you more stuff? And then this just kind of cascades for decades until eventually Bad shit Speaker 3: happens. Well, who's gonna buy our debt? I mean, that's that's, like it's scary. It's so scary. You know, this is, of course, the problem with democracy. I mean, I since, you know, from the Roman Republican till 17/76, like, how many democracies were there? Speaker 4: Exactly. Woo hoo. Speaker 0: Let me Speaker 3: let me do the math on that. Approximately 0 in that range. And this was the critique, of course, in Europe, of democracy at the time. It's not that it Gave too much freedom to the average person, but that it would result in tyranny. And when the majority discovered it could steal The goods of whomever it wanted, legally legally, you would wind up with dictatorship. I mean, this is like a very well charted path. But, I mean, but I hope it doesn't get to that. I'm not making an argument against democracy. I'm just saying it's a little bit harder to perpetuate than we thought that it was. And, And this is kind of the fear that people have had for 100 Speaker 4: of years that we wanted Speaker 0: to hear. Speaker 4: Is the manifestation of that structural problem. Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. That's exact exactly. That's exactly right. Speaker 0: Let's end on this, Elon clip from yesterday just about virtue. I'd like to get your reaction to this, Tucker. Speaker 5: Tesla has done more to help the environment Then all other companies combined. It would be fair to say that therefore as a leader of the company I've done more for the environment than everyone else, any single human on Speaker 6: earth. How do you feel about that? No. No. No. Speaker 0: Feel about that? Speaker 6: Yeah. No. I'm I'm asking you personally how you feel about Because this goes we're talking about power and influence and Yeah. I'm saying I'm Speaker 5: saying what I what I care about is the the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil. Fuck them. Speaker 0: Your thoughts on Versha Signaling versus Ram. Speaker 3: It was like it was like it was like the hand of God massaging my central nervous system, like, every erogenous town. Which is the Speaker 2: awareness. Like, that Speaker 0: I I Speaker 3: couldn't even release. Speaker 1: Whole kind of practically Speaker 0: since the beginning. Wow. 7:30. I'm sorry. Speaker 3: No. But I just I so vehemently agree, and I don't even like electric cars. I don't think they help the environment. I didn't even agree with that point. I just love his point, which is the point, which is what actually matters is what you do. It's not what Think. What matters is helping other people. And I also think that the fact that Andrew Ross Sorkin has a television job shows this is not a meritocracy. Gotta know how he Speaker 0: felt that. That was my fault. His response to that was, like, he didn't even he he can't even like, I'll just kinda say Speaker 3: this is, like, So inside baseball, but it's literally what I do for a liver, have done all my life. Yes. That's what we do, Tom. The united states. People. Yeah. Yes. Is to listen to them. Larry King. I used to fill in for Larry King at CNN. He was number 1, 9 PM, all the stuff. The 1st time I filled in for Larry King, there was no research On the guest, I had 2 guests, no research. And I said the producer Larry was, like, in Cabo with wife number 7. And I said, where's the research? Oh, Larry doesn't do research. So I do the show. It went fine. And I called him after. I was like, dude, you you do no research? He goes and he was number 1 most dominant figure in cable news by far. And he goes, no. I just listened. When someone says something weird, I pause, and I said, wait. Wait a sec. Wait a second. Wait a second. You killed someone in 1962. Why'd you kill Speaker 0: part. You follow-up. You're present in the interview Yes. And then you follow-up based on what this guest said. Speaker 4: Jason's interrupting you right now. Sorry. Ahead. No. Speaker 0: I listen. I'm reflecting back to what he said, which is what because game realizes that's right. It's a colloquy. Speaker 2: Jake House treating this as validation. Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely. There's also another story of this, Speaker 2: Tucker, that you don't need to know about. I Speaker 0: can tell it's it's tantalizing. Oh, it is. It Speaker 4: is. Trust me. Speaker 0: Well, let's end here. I you know, we have a lot of fans of not only there's about 18% crossover between All In and your work, Tucker, and they send me images of you out there and about in the world. And, we just I just got this 1 in my DMs. I don't know what's going on. What's going on here? Is that a park in New Hampshire where you guys can Speaker 2: this is the bromance. These yet? Speaker 3: That's so you know what? I'm not that's kinda hunky. I'm just being honest. Yeah. Speaker 0: Yeah. It's a lot going on here. Well, listen, we got a good Vineyard Vines t shirt. See, the the bromance is now complete. Tucker, we'd love to have you back on a regular basis. Actually, I thank you. Speaker 4: Fun. That was super fun. That was great. Speaker 3: And I'm sorry for talking too much. You guys spun me up in your frenzy, but I appreciate it. Speaker 4: I understand I understand why you were number 1 in media. I that was so fun. I really enjoyed it. Speaker 0: Part. That's Speaker 3: what I did. Thank you. Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, really good. Thank you very much, Tucker. Thank you. Yeah. Speaker 0: Thank you. Thanks, guys. Speaker 2: It was amazing. Speaker 0: Good luck with the new launch. Everybody go to tuckerfarlson.com, and when the subs come out on day 1, give them a sub. Okay? Sub. Hey, Tucker sub. Didn't come out exactly how I wanted to, but yeah. Sure. You could sub for Tucker Sachs. Are you gonna be a sub for Tucker Sachs? Are you subbing? Speaker 2: I'm gonna dom for Tucker. Speaker 0: Yeah. Poor Tucker. Alright. Thanks, Tucker. See you guys. Speaker 4: What What'd you guys think? That was fun. That was great. Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's show it deeper. Speaker 0: I'm a soccer for Tucker. I'll be honest. Like, can we get him on group chat? I mean, this can you imagine being on group chat with Tucker? Speaker 4: Fun guy. Great guy. Speaker 0: He's a great entertainer and you know what, he's into, I know he's right wing, but conservative, but he's actually, I think, a first principle thinker who thinks for himself. We, we didn't get into January 6th, we ran out of time, but, You know, he he was, you know, not happy about that. He wasn't happy about election denial. I think he's intellectually rigorous. Speaker 2: Wow, J. K. How? Speaker 4: What do you think, Subhash? Speaker 1: I really liked it. I like talking to people that have opinions that force me to, like, actually rethink about how I think. And It was I think the the most impactful thing that he said to me, which touches upon my own life, was just How one feels when you have a little bit too much too early versus grinding slowly and compounding success over many years. I think it does create in moments an element of self sabotage. I have lived it in my own life, so that totally resonated. This idea that there's just so much abundance that causes people to not really fight over the big issues and then fight over the the fringe issues. I I I do think that there's an element of huge truth in that. It was really, really good. I think, like, that this is probably one of the very few ones that we've done that I would Listen to over and over. Speaker 4: I'd say that was, like, one of my favorite episodes or probably my Speaker 0: favorite episodes or probably my favorite episodes. Just just Speaker 4: just as a listener, I I just enjoyed listening the whole fucking episode thing. Speaker 1: I I just wanted to I could hear him talk for hours probably. I know. Speaker 4: I didn't wanna talk. I didn't have anything to say. I just wanted to chill and hang out, like, listen Speaker 0: to him. Speaker 4: That was great. Yeah. Speaker 1: Me too. Speaker 2: Have you done Tucker's show, Jamoff, yet. Speaker 1: They asked me to do the show in December, which I couldn't do. And at some point in the spring, I will do the show, but then I was like, Can you come on, Arshad? Speaker 0: Sure. There you go. I'm doing it right. It's Speaker 2: amazing. Thanks, Adam. Yeah. Speaker 4: That was amazing. Sacks, didn't you, like, go on his show? No. Speaker 2: I've been on Tucker's show a couple of times when it was on Fox, and one appearance was about Chase Boudin, you know, the DA that we got tossed out and then Speaker 0: Go team. Speaker 2: I I went on a couple other times. I think one one was about the economy. I was on the show a couple of times for you know short segments but anyway I thought what was interesting about this conversation was that it was much more philosophical than I was Speaker 0: expecting pot. Speaker 2: We touched on a few like policy issues, but we spent most of the time talking about his deeper clinical diagnosis of American culture and American discourse. And I would say that one of the things that's maybe unique about his take and I mean definitely different than mine is it's much more psychological than Speaker 0: Metaphysical even. Speaker 2: Metaphysical and psychological. I mean Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 2: Like I don't Really asked too many questions about why people believe what they believe. I just sort of take it as a given and then discuss whether they're right or wrong, whereas he actually sort of psychoanalyzes why people have the views that they have. And, you you know what I mean? It's it's actually kinda interesting. Speaker 1: That whole methodology, for whatever it's worth, resonates with me. I mean, I think it's very it's the reason early on I really gravitated to Rene Girard, because I thought it demonstrated a lot of how people behave to me in In a in a language that I could understand. So when Tucker describes problems in this context, to me, it's very powerful just because that is how I kind of frame things as I think humans are driven by psychological incentives. And I think that there is something very worth exploring here, which is these Western cultures Gets so prosperous that the big things we don't fight over, so then we fight over the little things, or we have to invent things to fight over. Speaker 0: And the virtue signaling, he kind of brings up in his own personal part. Which is, hey, I go to Jackson Hole. I'm getting accosted, you know, in line at the lift. People's wives are upset at me. The husbands are upset at me. The hedge fund people. These are all people of incredible wealth, incredible privilege who have extra cycles. And instead of having a debate over the issues In good faith. Full contact debate like we do here. They just wanna vilify people. And, you know, I tried to listen to him and say, hey, what what does he get right here? Now I Obviously, I think he's wrong about climate change. I thought that was bonkers, but I do think he understands human nature pretty well from doing 30 years of interviews. Speaker 1: Yeah. It's It's definitely worth exploring, Jason, this idea that the more successful people get, the more self loathing there is. And then it manifests in some, you know, really destructive ways. I think especially Speaker 0: if you don't have a foundation. Speaker 4: Once you get successful enough, there's very little progress. I think a lot of human happiness comes from progress. Speaker 1: Progress. Exactly. Pot. Yeah. The right. Speaker 0: Where's the purpose? Speaker 1: Well, there's just there's just no higher order bits. You buy the house, that's a huge accomplishment. But then when you buy your 2nd house or 3rd house? I think the diminishing returns are severe. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: Severe. And then and then these things are just baggage. They're like, I'll just trust them. Speaker 4: Well, yeah. And then you're spending all this time dealing with headaches. Part. Yeah. Exactly. What's your progress? Speaker 0: What's your progress? What's the purpose of life? I mean, Sacks, when you bought your 6,000, I mean, You can cut that. Speaker 4: Josh is busy reorganizing the US political establishment, so I think he's making progress, you know, in his own way. Speaker 1: Sacks is making progress. Speaker 0: Yep. Yeah. Well, I I I you know, he's where does he sit on the political spectrum today, Sacks? Because you and and he are both, Yeah. Because you're both kinda outcasts in the Republican Party now. Right? Like Speaker 2: I would describe Tucker as probably the most influential populist in part on the right. So there's a populism well, there's a populism of the left that I guess was Bernie Sanders before he told, you know, maybe like 5, 8 years ago or whatever. Speaker 0: Describe us describe for the audience your perception of populism, You know, on the left and the right and what they share and what they don't share kind of thing. Because this does seem to be the emerging party, I think we would all agree, Is that people are sick of these extremes and they want something new and the something new seems to be populism. Speaker 2: Well, One way to think about populism is just democracy. Populism is the word that the elite gives to democracy they don't like. So for example, Vast majority of the country wants our borders sealed. For some reason the elites don't want that, so that's labeled populism. I think the vast majority of the country regrets the forever wars in the Middle East and doesn't want us getting involved in more wars, the sort of hyper interventionism. I think that's like a major part of the platform. And then of course I think the 3rd big area of reevaluation was around our free trade policies. You know, they really Ended up hollowing out America's industrial capability and exported a lot of manufacturing jobs Speaker 0: Globalization. Speaker 2: To to to China. Globalization. So, yeah, I think on the right, big picture, I would say that populism is a nationalist reaction to what the hyper globalization that happened, that was encouraged by the elites over the past few decades. Speaker 0: And he he hit on that. He said, you know, at some point, are the politicians gonna match what the People want, and they they call this getting to Denmark. High functioning governments in the Nordics, You know, tend to reflect what, the the candidates reflect what what the people want. Right? And and we seem to have this kinda broken here. We we have one other story people have wanted us to comment on when we had our week off. So I thought we'd get into the open AI thing. I just wanted to point out I don't mean to make this like a love triangle, Sachs, but Tucker and I did go skiing last year. We we tried to keep it, but now that it's out, you know, here it is. I'm sorry about this, but We were actually in the Saco at the same time, so it's gonna come out at some point. Saks, we might as well talk about it. Speaker 1: Look how old And nasty those ski clothes are. Speaker 0: Oh. Yeah. Well, you know what? We're both very woke, and we don't want we're virtue signaling that we don't we wanna recycle. So we bought All this, no speed stuff on eBay. I thought Speaker 1: that was Phil Hellmuth on the left. Speaker 0: I guess that's not Jacob. That's me before I was in Budapest. Alright. Let's do the Open Eye AI thing. If you guys have time, we can we go over this real quick? I don't wanna Speaker 2: We can. I just wonder if the story's stale, but. Speaker 0: I mean, I I think one of the things we can do here is just sort of, now that the 3 acts are complete, we can actually talk about the epilogue just to, for for people who Have not all missed the news. I think Speaker 4: the epilogue's about to drop, but Speaker 0: yeah. Well, that's that's what we'll get at. Speaker 1: I think we're still in the 2nd act here. I don't think this is over by a long shot. Alright. Speaker 0: So let me I'll just check this. Speaker 2: Let's see why I'm curious why that is. Speaker 0: I'm gonna architect, then I'm gonna hand it to you, Jamar. Act 1, Sam's fired. Act 2, chaos for a week. We were off. You know, what were all the reasons? Act 3, obviously, just yesterday. Sam's back. I think Ilya's out. Microsoft's an observer on the board. So I guess the epilogue, Chamath, is what we Wanna know is what happened? Why did this all happen? Was there a major breakthrough? Was it Sam doing deals with Masayoshi san or In the Middle East to make, you know, AI chips, what do you, if we, if the epilogue does drop, or if like you're saying, this is the 2nd act and the 3rd act It's gonna begin, whichever metaphor you want to use. What will it say, Speaker 1: Jim up? I think we can all agree on what happened, which is that The employees realized that in the absence of leadership, business leadership, that the enterprise value of that company was going to disintegrate. And what would have been imperiled was an $86,000,000,000 valuation secondary. So I think The employees did what was in their best interests, and it makes the obvious and logical sense, which is We need to circle the wagons and get the business leadership of this company back into this place, so that the value of the enterprise is sustained. They did that. So I think this valuation is gonna hold. I think the secondary is going to happen. So I think, like, from that perspective, We don't yet have a full accounting of what precipitated all of the all of the decision making at the board, Number 1. Number 2 is the person who seemed to be the principal inventor He's now no longer on the board and I think based on Sam's blog post, could probably no longer be at the company. That seems like an important thing. And then the third thing which I found odd was Brett Taylor, who I worked with at Facebook, who I've known for a long time, very sober, reasonable guy, Puts out his own addendum to the blog post that basically says, his chairmanship of this board is purely transitory. Speaker 0: What do Speaker 4: you take? Speaker 0: What's what is that? Yeah. What do you take from that? Speaker 1: My takeaway is whatever's happening is still TBD. There's enough question marks that look, I told my friends on the board without saying who it was, whatever you guys do, the most important thing that you need to do Is you need to retain great counsel and make sure that there and I said this publicly, make sure that there's phenomenal D and O insurance, and make sure that there aren't any Issues where you could be held personally liable for whatever happens in the future. Speaker 0: Piercing of the vow, the corporate vow. Yeah. Speaker 1: Now that's a generic thing that I think all corporate directors should do. I think it's even more important here because you have A non standard governance structure that could change, and it could change because the people involved wanted to change. But it could also could change because the government says, hey, hold on a second. This should never have been like this in the 1st place. I'll give you an example of that. You know, at Facebook, there was a moment where we divested all of our IP to a subsidiary in Ireland, and for tax reasons. And 2 signatories to that deal. It was me and Zuck. And 6 or 7 years later, this is long after I left face, but The IRS says, hold on a second. You misvalued these assets. We're owed x 1,000,000,000 of dollars in taxes. It was a huge, long, drawn out thing. So at a minimum, if there's great value created here, there will be consequences with respect to tax and who paid what And if you have the shielding of a nonprofit entity, there's theoretically a lot of taxes that could have been paid then not. So all of this to me says Lot of really open curious threads, which means it's not the epilogue yet. We're probably somewhere at the end of act 2. Friedberg, Speaker 0: my question to you Is. There's been speculation that there was an superintelligence AGI breakthrough possibly, and that's what spooked everybody. And maybe the claim that Sam Wasn't forthcoming with the board was that he didn't tell him about it. The second thing was there's been some 4chan posts. Again, this is pure speculation that maybe The AI they're working on could break in some way encryption, and that would have been caused a really chaotic global moment. What are your thoughts on those 3 potential items or more? Are are any of those possibilities in your mind, Dave Freiberg? Speaker 4: No idea. But Speaker 2: I can do it without that. Speaker 4: Yeah. Go ahead, Sacks. Speaker 0: Go ahead, Sacks. You take a sec. Speaker 2: So I think the best theory on what actually happened here, what precipitated all of this was broken in a piece by Reuters. And what it said was that there was a letter to the board that was written in the few days before Sam's firing by the board in which they were raising concerns over the development of Q*STAR, which was A new breakthrough at OpenAI that allows these language models to do math, and previously, LLMs weren't very good at math. It would sort of predict the next word, but that wasn't actually based on mathematical reasoning. Q star actually allows the AI to do math. It understands mathematical reasoning. Supposedly the capability is only at a grade school level right now, but it is highly accurate and it can be scaled up with more computing power and I don't think it was coincidental that Sam was supposedly in the Middle East seeking to raise 1,000,000,000 of dollars to create a new chip company, basically a new specialized chip or ASIC, to perhaps run these types of models. So they were going to scale up this capability and what mathematical reasoning allows to do is unlock a whole new problem set. So for example, in chemistry, in physics, in computer science, in cryptography Encryption. And encryption, all these things mathematical reasoning underpins all of these disciplines. And so it does Represent a major new piece towards AGI. And so I think the best theory about what happened is that the board, but I'd say specifically, Ilya, had a panic or moment of panic or part. Speaker 0: Concerned. Speaker 2: You know, freak out or whatever concern whatever about this and it combined with probably under line concerns that the board had about Sam's other activity because he's got his fingers in a lot of eyes here. Speaker 0: So it hits 2 of the 3 potential Reasons. You know, putting aside any personal behavior, it seems like there's no personal behavior here. So it's those 2. Right? Speaker 2: Right. So they fired him, but they apparently didn't really think it through at all. And because they're new. Speaker 4: These are not it's Speaker 0: not a professional board. Yeah. That's constructive. Well, I Speaker 2: don't know. I think Adam Adam is very pot. Speaker 0: But the other 2 were considered early as tempers. Speaker 2: And then the 2 others who were, you know, from nonprofits or just not very familiar. And so What happened is they took this drastic action but didn't explain it. And with each passing day, it became more glaring that they would not explain it. So the pressure sort of built on the company to explain itself and provide a good justification for this and then meanwhile I think Sam just ran a textbook counter to operation here. I mean, they got Speaker 0: Hearts. Emojis. Speaker 2: There was that aspect of it, but Sky is behind the velvet glove of all these hearts and saying I love you and all this stuff was the iron fist. The iron fist was they got Over 700 of the 770 open ai employees to sign a petition, they were going with Sam and Sam went to Microsoft and set up shop so the threat to the board was I'm going to take the whole company with me and set up shop over at Microsoft and that was sort of the compelling threat. Basically all the employees threatened to quit and go with Sam and so the board was under immense pressure And then at the same time you got the sense that Ilya was under a lot of personal pressure from his friends, from people he knew at the company. It's not Probably irrelevant that there's about to be a huge cash out. There's about to be a big secondary at a $86,000,000,000 valuation. So All these early employees were about to make a lot of money. In any event, for all of these reasons I think I don't think Ilya is motivated by money, I think he's motivated by wanting to keep OpenAI intact. I think that he must have had a moment where he realized, wait a second, what we've done here in throwing out Sam is destroying the company and then he recanted. He basically apologized and signed that petition. And at that moment, it just became a fait accompli that Sam was going to get his job back and so Let's basically see what happened. Now in terms of the epilogue, where I disagree slightly with Chamath is that Although they still have to form this board, they're going to form a 9 person board and they only have 3 members so far. I think the conclusion here is It's sort of a foregone conclusion, which is the board can never fire Sam again. I mean they're they're not going to go through that again, therefore he has total control. Speaker 0: It would take a lot. Speaker 2: It would take a lot. So I think that Sam has won and he's gonna consolidate his control over the company. By the way, I thought he already had control. I thought that Speaker 0: Yeah. You outlined that in the previous episode. Speaker 2: Yeah. Control. Apparently, he did not. Do you Speaker 0: think he makes it a I think he spins it out and make it a for profit? You think it just makes it a for profit and then says, hey, we'll give x amount of the equity or whatever to this nonprofit, but we're gonna we're just gonna Flip this thing and and and separate it out and clean up the original sin. Speaker 2: I think apparently there's like tax problems with doing that, but I but I think that what happens is, look, they already have this for profit LLC entity, which is where all the investors have have basically put their money into and they've gotten shares or membership interests or Some sort of profit interest. Speaker 0: Synthetic shares, whatever Speaker 2: it is. Shares, Phantom shares. And then the vast majority of that is owned by this foundation, the nonprofit foundation, that I always thought was under Sam's control but apparently it wasn't. I think it now will be. I think that I just think that what's going to happen in the next few months is that Sam will consolidate his control because He's proven that he has a total loyalty of the troops and they're behind him and there's no choice, so why won't he get everything he wants? Speaker 0: Yeah, all of the, all of the smoke, I think leads to the fire that you point out, which is there was some great advance, There was some deals going on and those things, it matches what the board said. We didn't feel like he was being forthcoming with us And it could be on 2 issues like that. It just totally makes sense. It, it, it locks the puzzle pieces in place. Dave, let's assume that They have now not only done language models, predicting the next word and, and, and, you know, understanding that, but there is some reasoning going on here and they understand Math and it understands how to do the next math problem. I don't know if we put that under reinforcement learning. It's obviously very different than language models. Explain what you think if that is what's happening here with the the q project, what that could mean on a scientific basis. Speaker 4: I don't know enough. I'm sorry. Speaker 0: I gotta That's I mean, this is why we love you, because you're honest when you don't know. Chamath, anything here as we wrap? In terms of watching this whole brouhaha, Speaker 1: I think it's probably not the end. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah. More drama. I think there probably will be more drama. Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, it's a Speaker 2: lot of drama. Speaker 4: Did you see the article this morning Speaker 0: part. Speaker 4: Where they started saying all the houses that Sam bought. He bought all these houses. And so I think there's a lot of investigators digging around now, trying to figure out all the Story because the board was and so forthcoming with what happened and why they made this decision. There's a lot of people digging around trying to figure out more about Sam than they have been, You know, looked into in the past. So this will reveal all sorts of new threads that'll start to become part of the the narratives. It's unfortunate. I think that the technology, the progress is what really matters here, not all the kind of personal people stuff. It's weird. I also the the other comment I'll make, I thought one of the the biggest takeaways for me on the whole drama last week, was that the employees basically got their way. Employees got together, voted, and said, this is what we want, and the board did what they wanted. And it really, I think sets another precedent. Much like I think Elon set a really big precedent in Silicon Valley when he came in and slashed heads at Twitter. The precedent that it it triggered a lot of other executives to start to think, well, maybe that's Possible, and I should think about doing, you know, more cost savings and so on. This is another interesting precedent where an entire employee base gets together and says, we want x, And the board acquiesced and said, here you go. You can have x. Does that mean that other start ups and other companies are gonna start to see employee groups band together Saying we want x in a more vocal public way. Possibly. Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Stryberg, this is not a new tactic. Right. But look, if the employees are willing to Sign a petition on mass and you get over 90% of them supporting something, and then you also threaten to all set up shop somewhere else. I mean, boards usually respond to that pressure. Yeah. But look, I think that it's very clear that Sam has the support of the troops. I'm not questioning that, but I think it would be a mistake to just see this as some sort of spontaneous groundswell. I think there was clearly, like, some organization to it. Like I said, I think he ran a textbook operation there. Yeah. And wasn't it Paul Graham who said something like if Sam were dropped on an island of cannibals, like kind of a Lord of the Flies situation, he'd be the one to come out on top? He's like really he's in his element. Don't don't just assume look. This is all covered up by hearts and I love you. I mean, I've never read a corporate announcement with the word loving it more times. This was not about love and hearts all the you know, this is there's some Speaker 0: He's a wartime Speaker 2: ruthless, corporate in fighting here. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 2: And he's just not on top. But look, the board was totally incompetent. I mean, listen, if if a board is gonna Take a drastic action of firing the founder CEO when everything is going great. I mean because everything's been going Great at OpenAI. It's incumbent on them to explain their actions, and there needs to be Speaker 0: some stuff done. Do that? Why didn't they do that? Speaker 2: Did they be up. Speaker 0: Why didn't they do that? Even as a c s a o for their reputation. Speaker 2: I'm saying it was totally incompetent. Speaker 0: Yeah. They should have dropped it. Yeah. Speaker 2: Well no, what I'm saying is either there's a smoking gun or there's not. I don't think you should take an action like this ever unless there's a smoking gun And if there is a smoking gun, you need to communicate Speaker 0: that. Right. Speaker 2: And I think with each passing day that they didn't communicate it, people came to the conclusion, there is no smoking gun. And so my guess is there is no smoking gun and they were overly hasty about taking this action. Speaker 0: Yeah. This could have been a very simple discussion. Hey, Sam, can we Work on you telling us in advance when you're going and doing deal making so we can be in alignment on it. Like, it seemed like there was something that could have been done that Wasn't firing him Speaker 4: in this space. Yeah. Speaker 1: I mean, like, you could you could put somebody on a pip. You could do all kinds of things. So taking the step of, yeah, letting somebody go in that way, with that orchestration. Again, I just, I just think that This stuff is too juicy and too interesting for the details to not come out. Speaker 0: Oh, it it will come out. Yeah. The fact that it hasn't come out yet is crazy. I I would have suspect they would have come out in the 1st 72 hours. Speaker 2: So you think there is maybe not a smoking gun, but there's something. Speaker 1: No. No. No. I think it I think it's what what we said, which is that the economically rational decision for all the employees and for Sam and Greg Was to do what they did because it allows them to get an $86,000,000,000 valuation and a big secondary done, right? So that makes complete rational sense. That is the Underlying chaos was happening that caused this decision to exist in the 1st place to not come out. I just think that the incentives for that decision to come out now, for example, from the 2 departing board members is quite high. How How do you get this information from the incoming board members? How do they not say anything? All the new 6 people will have, that join the board will have to get read into this thing, Right? So you're just multiplying the number of people that knows whatever it is. And it's either going to be, David, to your point, Pathe, which is The board didn't know what they're doing and they acted hastily or, you know, the self preservation of here's what we knew. But it is just gonna come out and leak after leak after leak. And then to your point, The pulling the sweater of all of the other deals that may have been happening on the side or whatever, all of this stuff now comes up because it's just too salacious for too many people. The numbers are too big. Everything just looks too juicy. Now you have this, like, hidden technology that could theoretically ruin the world. Everybody will be leaking to everybody. And that that's the that's the only guarantee here. Which is why I really think that You have to commend the leadership team for trying to become very militaristic about all of this. Everybody had the same Tweets. They said the same things. They used the same heart emojis. I mean, it was extremely well managed. Speaker 2: It it was mantras. Speaker 0: It's It's amazing what a secondary will do to the troops and to know there's alignment of the stock price. Speaker 2: The mantra. The mantra was that OpenAI is nothing without its employees or something like that. Right? Speaker 1: We are nothing without our team or something like that. Speaker 2: And that was that was basically something that on the surface appeared to be a positive affirmation of camaraderie, but like I sell said, iron fist beneath the velvet glove. It's a threat. It's a threat. We can set up shop. Speaker 1: It's also the formula in in an Excel spreadsheet that says they are nothing without the team. The the enterprise value equals 0. Speaker 2: Your company is a 0 without us, and we can go step shop somewhere else. So it was perfect velvet glove, iron fist type stuff. Speaker 0: Yeah. Well done, Sam. Well, well, well, Sam will be on the pod in the coming weeks, I think. I've been texting with them. So I think if Sam, Speaker 1: I think what Elon said yesterday was also really interesting, which is He described Ilya as an extremely moral person who thinks about these things subtly. And so, again, and and I've known Adam for a long time. I think Adam is tremendous. He is Speaker 0: From Quora, Adam D'Angelo. Speaker 1: Yeah. He was the CTO at Facebook. We worked together in the trenches in war for years. He is just the best of the best. Speaker 2: Totally. He's very smart. Speaker 0: Oh, so incredible. Speaker 2: You know, very He's so incredible. Very knowledgeable. Speaker 1: This is not an irrational, emotional person. Speaker 2: My guess is that that they had good reasons to want to act based on The Ilya's philosophy around AI safety. You may not agree with that philosophy, but their mistake was If you're gonna do something like that, you have to be able to defend it. You have to be able to communicate it. And I mean, if your concern here was around AI safety, write a manifesto, You know, explain the values that you're invoking and supporting. Speaker 1: That's right. I think that's a takeaway for all of us, for for all of us on boards that At some point, have to make these decisions because we're all faced with them and we've made them. The lesson that I learned is We're at a point where it is so important that you give employees the transparency to re underwrite why they should stay. So when you make a decision like this in any company going forward, my reaction will be open the kimono and lay out the case Bear. So if you have to make a CEO transition, this is exactly why we did it. This was the precipitating events that caused it. Here's the evidence, And here's what we're gonna do about it. And I think that that's probably a good takeaway for all boards to learn, which is that level of transparency is gonna be needed in the future so that Folks don't fill in the blanks with their own conspiracy theories. Speaker 0: Also, there were apparently 2 companies or 2 organizations running in parallel here to build on your points, Jamap, which is Ilya and the nonprofit, this might have been the right decision for that organization. But the right decision for the employees who are incented by this secondary that was about To be shipping the employees, apparently, 1,000,000,000 of dollars, that for profit company, this would be the wrong decision. The for profit company should go fast, And it should be releasing where Jason Speaker 1: and Jason, like the I I I from what was reported, there's, like, this Obligation. And it's hard to understand what it means of the board to determine when AGI is reached and then as a result, essentially Hit the kill switch on the commercial business. And if I were a board member dealing with that, I would want A gazillion trillion dollars of insurance to cover me. And the reason is that when that's litigated, not if, when that's litigated, It is that board that will be at the center of dealing with that financial responsibility and liability. This is the other masterstroke, I think, of what Sam did. He's not even on the board, so that liability is no longer his. Speaker 0: Yeah. So he's just Amazing. Complete we got part. Speaker 1: We could talk about the business and and the actual fit none Speaker 0: of the responsibility. And and Speaker 1: the actual fiscal responsibility, he doesn't have to bear. Speaker 0: Part. Can I Speaker 2: speak to the kill switch for a second? So I I think it's a really interesting point. So so by the way, Jason, there is a for profit entity here. The for profit entity is this new LLC that was created. Speaker 0: Correct. Speaker 2: The nonprofit entity is above it at the governance layer and it kind of owns the LLC. Right. So again, investors and employees get compensated out of the LLC, and then this nonprofit foundation was supposed to exercise a really complicated org chart. There you go. Speaker 0: Whenever an org chart has more than, like, 2 arrows, Speaker 2: It's crazy. You're fucked. Right. Speaker 0: How many arrows? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 arrows. Speaker 2: That's 6, Speaker 0: 6, 2 many. Speaker 2: But my point is that this complexity was justified by this idea of the kill switch, that if the AI gets out of control, the AGI gets out of control, We're going to have this board of super wise people who are not motivated by a profit incentive, right, because that we can't trust the profit motive, right? And And so we're going to have this board of wise elders who are going to make this super intelligent decision. And if this whole episode shows anything it shows this structure completely failed I mean the board ended up acting in a completely incompetent way either they had Good cause to do what they did and didn't explain it which was incompetent or they had no cause at all which was incompetent either way you cannot say that this board Acted with a high degree of competence. No matter how competent any of the individuals are, I'm just saying that as a board dynamic, It completely failed. So they did not invent some higher form of governance as they originally claimed was necessary. It's a franken structure. Speaker 0: It's a franken structure. Speaker 2: So it didn't work and I think this all I mean it's a I think important lesson in human motivations which is just because you take out the profit motive does not mean that human beings all of a sudden become noble they just pursue other agendas Basically political agendas or whatever. And so this idea that we're going to solve the AGI problem or alignment issue by creating nonprofit structures. I think that this episode proves that's not going to work. Like, look elsewhere. Speaker 0: And you and I talked about this on Twitter Spaces and X Spaces, Which was, you know, people give VCs and and, you know, investors a hard time about, you know, I don't know, their existence and and how they operate in the world. Okay. Fair enough. I'm sure there's valid criticisms. But the share price and employees participating and the share price going up And secondaries occurring on a regular basis is the most perfect structure that has been created by humans to date For running an organization, I think we would all agree. And it's super imperfect, and there's weird things that happen. But if you want everybody to grow in the right direction, Giving them some shares and then everybody watching the share price go up into the right is pretty phenomenal. This board did not have 1 VC on it. Pot. It was not. Speaker 2: And all the VCs in the company were they were the biggest they were the most aggressive tweeters saying, you know, WTF, like, what are you doing? Because they could see their investment going up in smoke. Yes. Speaker 4: They had a lot Speaker 0: of money with the share price, But no control. Speaker 2: So so as much as you don't like the profit motive, it does create alignment and that makes people predictable, and that's a good thing. And like Adam Smith Said in the 1700s, the reason we can trust that the butcher and the baker will serve us our dinner is because they're going to make a profit. They're aligned with us and we don't look to charity. We look to their self interest and like you said for all the shit that VCs take that if you properly align people, it can create, I think, it creates a great enterprise. It creates a potential Speaker 0: for a Speaker 2: great enterprise for great outcomes. Speaker 0: Great outcomes. Absolutely. All right. This has been another extraordinary all in episode, probably top five. Thanks so much for Tucker Clawson for coming on the program. And, for the sultan of science, David Friedberg, The Rain Man. Yeah. Definitely. David Sachs and the dictator himself, Jamala Paulie Happatia. Pot. I'm the world's greatest moderator, and we'll see you next time. In park. Speaker 2: Man David in Speaker 0: part. We should all just get a room and just have this 1 big huge orgy because they're all just it's like this, like, sexual tension that they just need to release somehow. Let in
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Well said

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The All-In Pod asks @TuckerCarlson why he was fired by FOX News and what role corporate advertisers play in shaping news coverage? Tucker highlights Big Pharma, constituting 75% of TV ads in 2020, then delves into COVID, lockdowns, mRNA shots, January 6th, and the War in Ukraine. "It not only exists, it defines news coverage. Especially on pharma because pharma is the biggest advertiser on television. If Pfizer is sponsoring your show, you are not going to question the vax... And that's why they are the biggest advertiser. So they can shape news coverage." Tucker explains that he was not surprised by his firing because it is implicitly understood within the industry that sharing opinions that conflict with corporate advertisers eventually gets you fired. "I had a lot of opinions that were unpopular with people who might have influenced my show getting canceled... But I was not shocked at all. You can't give the finger to everybody and persist in a corporate job." This aligns with Glenn Greenwald's (@ggreenwald) recent analysis, shared by @elonmusk, illustrating how modern journalism, once a check on established power, is now controlled by corporate advertisers. (https://t.co/4N6HWeDs4j) The ongoing corporate boycott of @X, ostensibly based on a false antisemitism claim, reflects this broader pattern. Empirical data reveals platforms like TikTok and Instagram promote significantly more antisemitism than @X, yet corporate advertisers are only targeting this platform. (https://t.co/HBZPjGuuMb) This contradiction underscores the corporate @X boycott is less about combating antisemitism and more about stifling freedom of speech online. When @elonmusk defiantly tells this union of major corporate advertisers and establishment power to "go f**k yourself" for attempting to bankrupt his company, he's pointing at the authoritarian illiberal forces attempting to control online speech through advertising dollars. Elon Musk, Glenn Greenwald, and Tucker Carlson rightly point the finger at this dangerous alliance of corporate and government power, manipulating news and shaping social media platforms through advertising dollars. These authoritarian illiberal forces starkly oppose the core principles of freedom, liberty, and enlightenment that have fostered the modern prosperity of so many people in the Western world. Full @theallinpod: https://t.co/t6tfmBS386

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The speaker reflects on being fired and acknowledges that there were many factors at play. They mention that being a high-rated host doesn't guarantee job security and that there are complex dynamics within big companies. They express that they weren't shocked by the firing and understood that they couldn't defy everyone and expect to keep their job. The speaker also discusses the influence of advertisers on news coverage, particularly in the pharmaceutical industry. They state that while they personally never faced pressure to shape their views, they were always clear that they would speak their truth. The speaker acknowledges that their positions on certain issues were unpopular within their company but appreciates that they were allowed to express them. They also discuss the lack of communication and explanation from the company regarding their firing. The second speaker finds it strange that a top performer would be fired without any feedback and believes it to be self-destructive from a business standpoint. The first speaker agrees and emphasizes the importance of explaining disagreements and delivering uncomfortable news. They mention that they weren't too upset about being fired as they were aware of the harsh realities of the industry.
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Speaker 0: I don't know why I was fired. I mean, it kind of isn't an Agatha Christie story. There are, like, so many suspects. You know what I mean? But I don't know. I was never told I can only speculate. There were a lot of different things going on. I had a lot of opinions that were unpopular, you know, with people who might have influenced, my show getting canceled. So I really don't know. I will say, you know, right after it happened, people said, well, how can they fire the top guy? Because that's what it is. I'm certainly not the 1st high rated host to get Fired. It's not only about ratings. There are a lot of different factors. It's a big company. You all have worked for and run big companies. And you know, there's a lot of complicated stuff going on. And, it's never exactly clear, you know, why things happen the way they do. But I was not shocked by by it. I mean, I was shocked by it in the short term sense. I didn't expect to have my show canceled that morning. But, but I was not shocked at all when I thought about it for a minute, I'd expected that, you know, you can't kind of give the finger to everybody and persist in a corporate job. So no hard feelings. And in fact, I said that on the call when I received the news. It's not my company. And I never felt like I had a right to be on the air. I was I was working at the pleasure of the family that runs the company, who treated me very well. And and, and they wanted me off and so I was off. Speaker 1: Did you ever have moments where somebody taps you on the shoulder and says, advertiser x y z is getting uncomfortable or We're trying to land this new advertiser and Speaker 0: Right. Speaker 1: They want you to shape things in one route. Did you ever feel that pressure? Is that or is that just A thing that is kind of like a boogeyman that doesn't actually exist. Speaker 0: Oh, wait. Well, it not only exists. It defines news coverage, especially on pharma, you Because pharma is the biggest advertiser in television is. I know you know. And so for sure, I mean, if Pfizer is sponsoring your show, you're not gonna question the facts. I mean, it's kind of that simple. So absolutely. And, of course, that's why they're the biggest advertisers, so they can shape news coverage. I mean, that's the point. But, I personally never had a single person say to me, don't say this, that I recall. I haven't thought about it too much, but that certainly I was there 14 years, and I didn't have that experience regularly or at all, really, that I can remember. And I think, you know, my producers may have been told that, but it didn't ever get to me because I was always really clear, which is I always said out loud to the supervisors there, you know, I work for your company. I don't own this network. All I can control is what I say. If you don't like what I say, don't have me on TV. But as long as I'm on TV, I'm gonna say what I think is true. And in a 1000000 cases, I said only part of what I think, not because of my employer, but just because you shouldn't actually say everything you think. I mean, I have some crackpot views too or I have resentments that I didn't want to work out on the air. I mean, you restrain yourself and you want to, as you do in your personal life. But on no question of principle did I ever pull back because I just I wouldn't do that. And again, I was just super clear. If you don't like what I'm saying, take me off the air. But I'm not gonna, you know, toe a line. And because I was so clear about that, I just think they didn't think it was worth having some kind of dispute with me. And to their great credit, for the time that I was there, and I said this many times in public, like, I took positions on the Ukraine war, on the COVID vaccine, on the COVID lockdowns, among other issues that I think you know, I've been vindicated on pretty conclusively on the origins of COVID. And all of those are super unpopular. On January 6th, which was so hated at the company where I worked, that people a number of people, including on air people, 4 that I can think of resigned in protest over my over me suggesting that actually it was more complicated than it looked, And there were a bunch of federal agents in the crowd. How can you say that? Are you claiming a false flag? Well, no. Not wouldn't use that phrase, but, like, this is something weird going on here. Well, I've been vindicated on that. That sounds like I'm bragging. I'm not. I'm just stating factually that, I said things that were Truly hated by a lot of the people who work there, and they let me keep saying them. So it's kinda hard to complain, really, at this point. Right? Again, it's not my company. Speaker 2: Just from a business standpoint, I think it's weird for a company to fire their top performer and to do so without Giving any notes. I mean, if any of us had a superstar executive or a superstar engineer, like a 100 x engineer Working at one of our companies and, like, day in and day out, they were, you know, hitting every milestone and crushing it, Like, if you had a problem with them, you would give them a note. You would just, like, try to say, hey, can we just, like so I just think from, like, a business standpoint, it's so weird. It just seems like self destructive and I think it was. I mean, their ratings really cratered in the wake Right. Of making this change. Maybe they've come back a little bit, but I don't think it's ever been the same. I just think it's a crazy way to operate a business. So, yeah, it's their right. I mean, they can do whatever they want, but I don't understand it as a way of doing business. Speaker 0: Well, I don't understand there's a way of living either. I mean, you know, everybody in the course of life, whether it's a parent or an employer or just a friend has to deliver uncomfortable news or disagree with someone that you deal with, and you have a moral obligation to explain the disagreement. You you can't just, you know, levy the penalty and leave it at that. You have to explain why you're doing that. And and I think that's it's it's incumbent on us morally to do that. I wasn't that mad about it actually because I know the rules of that particular business, which are really harsh. And I've been in it, you know, my whole life. And so I've seen a lot of people as talented or more talented than I meet bad ends and in you know, for reasons that I thought were not justified. And and I I know them all really well. So I you you work in a business like that. You know what it is. You know the black car is gonna show up at 3 a. M. And tow it to Lou Bianca, and that's just what it is. You know what I mean? You can't kinda whine about it, you know?
Saved - August 29, 2024 at 1:34 AM
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I shared insights on how Big Pharma influences TV news content, revealing that advertising goes beyond promoting products; it shapes narratives. I recounted a conversation with the founder of Fox News, who admitted that his network's revenue reliance on pharmaceutical companies prevented him from giving me a platform to discuss the dangers of certain medical products. He emphasized that any host who invited me would face termination. This illustrates how pharmaceutical companies not only sell but also control media messaging.

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RFK Jr. Exposes the Dirty Secret Between TV News and Big Pharma He says Big Pharma ads aren’t just about pushing products—they’re there to DICTATE content. Kennedy witnessed this firsthand. The founder of Fox News admitted to him that he had a family member injured by a medical product containing mercury, but said he couldn’t give Kennedy a platform to talk about the issue because “70% of our revenues are coming from pharmaceutical companies.” Roger Ailes told Kennedy, “If any of my hosts allowed you on TV, I'd have to fire them. And if I didn't, I would hear from Rupert [Murdoch].” Kennedy says, “Those [pharmaceutical] companies are advertising not just as a platform for selling products but also because they can dictate content. They can make sure that whoever is on that news show is toeing a line.”

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Television networks are very dependent on pharmaceutical advertising. The speaker knew Roger Ailes, the founder and CEO of Fox News, who told him he couldn't allow him on the network to discuss his film about mercury in medical products and neurological injuries. Ailes said 70% of the evening news division's revenues came from pharmaceutical companies, with an average of 17 out of 23 ads being pharmaceutical ads. Ailes said any host who allowed the speaker on TV would be fired, and Rupert Murdoch would know within 10 minutes. The speaker claims networks are sensitive to advertisers, who dictate content and ensure compliance from those on news shows.
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Speaker 0: Why do you think they're so threatened? Are we following the money here? Is that what it gets down to? I think the in terms of the television networks are very, very dependent on pharmaceutical advertising. I knew Roger Ailes very well. Roger Ailes was, of course, the founder of Fox News and the CEO of Fox News for many years. He and I were on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but we had this friendship that that survived all that. He would always made sure that I could get on his platform to talk about environmental issues. So I was the only environmentalist who was going on Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and Neil Cavuto for many, many years. And at one point, I made a film about the impacts of the relationship between mercury and this epidemic of neurological injuries and mercury in in medical products. And I showed him the film, and he he said, you know, I have a family member who I think was, injured by this. And he said, this is a really important film. He said, I can't allow you onto my network for this because for the evening news division, about 70% of our revenues are coming from pharmaceutical companies. And he said to me at that time that typically, there are 23 ads on a evening news segment show, and that 17 of those on average are pharmaceutical. He said if any of my hosts allowed you on TV, I'd have to fire them. And if I didn't, I would hear from Rupert, meaning Rupert Murdoch, within 10 minutes. He was very clear to me about that. I've seen that evidence across the board with all of the networks. They're very, very sensitive to their advertisers. And those companies are advertising not just as a platform for selling product, but also because they can dictate content. They can make sure that, you know, who's ever on that new show is, is towing the line.

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Watch the full interview via @DrPhil: https://t.co/N51EiJt1s6

Saved - November 14, 2024 at 12:04 PM
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I shared a series of posts highlighting significant stories that the media overlooked. Tucker Carlson called for the repeal of the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act, criticizing Big Pharma's immunity from lawsuits. James Carville expressed frustration with Democratic arrogance, while Scott Jennings defended Trump's Defense Secretary pick against CNN critics. Harvey Levin reported Hollywood's panic over the Diddy scandal, and Mike Benz warned of social media censorship efforts. Additionally, the owner of the Los Angeles Times fired the editorial board to restore journalistic integrity. Lastly, Ed Dowd predicted economic challenges for Trump’s incoming administration.

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10 Shocking Stories the Media Buried Today #10 - Tucker Carlson calls for an IMMEDIATE repeal of the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. This would strip Big Pharma of its liability shield, making them accountable for injuries caused by their products. In fact, Carlson called the vaccine enterprise, particularly the COVID vaccine, a “scam.” Here’s why: 1. “You convince politicians to force the population to buy your product.” 2. “Anyone who complains gets fired.” 3. “You can’t be sued.” “How is it that there’s this one category that’s exempt from the risk [lawsuits] that all the rest of us who are involved in any kind of business face every single day?” Carlson asked. “I have liability insurance on my house in case the UPS guy slips delivering a package from Amazon. But somehow, Albert Bourla [CEO of Pfizer] and all the other creepy, creepy billionaires who run these disgusting pharma companies are in no danger of being sued because their corrupt pals in Congress in 1986 gave them blanket immunity? Let’s tear that down immediately,” Carlson urged. To the argument that vaccines “can’t compete” without blanket immunity, Carlson countered, “Well, why don’t you just make a safer vaccine then? How’s that sound? Why don’t you face the same risk [lawsuits] that every other person who conducts any other kind of commerce or lives in this country faces every single day?” He demanded, “Let’s see the numbers right now,” highlighting that the government has access to vaccine data that it’s hiding from the public. “If somehow you’re being prevented from knowing, then you can be absolutely certain that crimes are being committed,” Carlson concluded, “because why else would they be hiding it from you?” (See 9 More Revealing Stories Below)

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A Michigan jury awarded a woman $1 million after she was fired for not taking the vaccine, highlighting the need for accountability in the vaccine industry. There's a call to strip vaccine makers of their blanket immunity, arguing that it's unfair they cannot be sued while others face liability in business. The speaker expresses frustration over the lack of transparency in government and vaccine trials, insisting that if the government is hiding information, it likely indicates wrongdoing. They advocate for restoring honesty through transparency, emphasizing that the public deserves to know how their money is being used.
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Speaker 0: Jury in Michigan just awarded a woman fired for not taking the vax 1,000,000 of dollars, and I hope that that is a nationwide trend where everyone whose life was destroyed in that fit of lies and hysteria is made whole. I really hope so. And I do hope that congress can immediately strip the blanket immunity from the vaccine makers. I don't understand that. I I've sold products my whole life. I mean, imagine you have a product. You convince politicians to force the population to buy your product. Anyone who complains gets fired and you can't be sued. I'm sorry. And I'm not attacking vaccines by the way. I'm sure there are fine vaccines. I I don't know. I'm not taking any of them, but, it's okay if other people do. I'm not mad about people taking vaccines. I'm not mad about vaccines, but that's a scam. And anyone who says it's not a scam can just explain to me how it's not a scam. How is that not a scam? You're not allowed to sue. You can sue anybody for anything in this country, anything. That's why you don't have playgrounds anymore because people made slot remember merry go rounds? Remember those? Is anyone old enough to remember a merry-go-round? They don't exist. They were awesome. I have, like, 10 friends who have fewer teeth than they were born with because of merry go rounds. But they have stronger spirits because they were great. They don't exist anymore because the trial bar decide we're gonna get rich suing merry ground go round makers and people who are nice enough to build playgrounds. So, like, so many good things in American life have been eliminated by the greed of the trial bar. You got by the way, next time in the Caribbean, go down to the yacht basin wherever you are. It doesn't matter what island you are. Look at the biggest boats and just ask like the the boat guys and the, you the matching polo shirts with the yacht names. I'm like, what does the owner of this boat do for a living? And just keep a list of how many of them are trial lawyers, like a lot. It was the tobacco settlement or asbestos or whatever. It was talcum powder or whatever case they were. And I'm not attacking all lawyers, though I I I want to because I do hate them with a passion. But even if I like lawyers, I would say, how is it that there's this one category that's exempt from the risk that all the rest of us who are involved in any kind of business face every single I have liability insurance on my house in case the UPS guy slips delivering a package from Amazon. But somehow, Albert Bourla and all the other creepy, creepy billionaires who run these disgusting pharma companies are in no danger of being sued because their corrupt pals in congress in 1986 gave them blanket immunity? Like, let's tear that down immediately. Oh, well, we can't compete. Well, why don't you just make a safer vaccine then? How's that sound? Why don't you face the same risk that every other person who conducts any other kind of commerce or lives in this country faces every single day? Oh, we can't. Oh, shut up. Go away. And so, that's the first thing. I don't even know how I got off from that, but I'm so mad about it. It's so crazy and that no one can say anything about it. And it's like, oh, you're against science. So I'm not against science at all. I wish we practiced it in this country. I do. I actually believe in science. And if by the way, if you believe in science, let's see the numbers. Let's see the numbers right now. Do you know what I mean? Social Security has the numbers. We know a lot about who was injured, who took it, who didn't, about the trials that are all sealed. Like, I'll just say this, and I'll stop. If you want to restore honesty to government, if you wanna get rid of corruption, there's a very simple way to do that, and it's with transparency. It's allowing people to know what their government is doing with their money in their name. And if you can't know, if somehow you're being prevented from knowing, then you can be absolutely certain that crimes are being committed because why else would they be hiding it from you?

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#9 - Dem strategist James Carville BLOWS UP on his party’s “arrogance” and “stupidity” in glorious rant. “What you’ve done ain’t worth a sh*t. Get your head around that. And all of the Washington-based Democrats farting around, going to wine and cheese parties, and talking about how misogynistic the race is, get your ass out of Washington, and go work on a 2026 campaign and do penance to make up for your goddamn arrogance and stupidity.”

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You have no legislative, executive, or judicial power. As an opposition party, justify your past actions and explain how you'll change because what you've done isn't acceptable. Instead of engaging in social events in Washington, focus on the 2026 campaign and acknowledge your mistakes. We warned you that identity politics would be a disaster and urged you to prioritize public safety. We advised you to showcase the talent within the Democratic Party and to distinguish yourselves from Biden, but you failed to do so. These points are part of the record.
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Speaker 0: Have no legislative power. We have no executive power. We have no judicial power. So when you're out of power, you're an opposition party, and go and tell all of the people that are sending you and asking you for money, justify what you did, justify what you did wrong, and tell us what you're going to do different, because what you've done ain't worth a shit. Get your head around that. In all of the Washington based Democrats farting around, going to wine and cheese parties, and talking about how misogyny, Michigan, get your ass out of Washington and go work on a 2026 campaign and do penance to make up for your goddamn arrogance and stupidity. Well, we're gonna say we told you so. We told you this identity shit was disaster. We told you to get out in front of public safety issues. You didn't. We told you to have an open process and demonstrate the magnificent, staggering, and deep talent that exists in the modern Democrat party. You didn't. We told you to differentiate yourself from Biden. You didn't. I hate to be some fucking know it all, but all of these things are part of the record.

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#8 - @ScottJenningsKY expertly DESTROYS CNN critics of Trump’s Defense Secretary pick. “All the criticism of him [Pete Hegseth] is that he’s not the expected Washington pick. And I’m just saying to you that the American people just voted against the expected Washington pick.” “Does anyone have confidence in the current leadership of the Pentagon and the way the defense situation has been operating for the last several years? I mean, from the Afghanistan pullout, which was an extreme debacle for which no one was held accountable. We’ve had spy balloons flying over the United States. We built a $300 million pier as a public relations stunt, which wound up killing an American service member.” “I’d say I’ve had just about enough of the so-called insiders running the Defense Department. I think we ought to give Pete Hegseth a chance.”

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Is there confidence in the Pentagon's leadership after recent failures like the Afghanistan pullout and incidents involving spy balloons? The current insiders have not been held accountable for these issues. Pete Hegseth deserves a chance; he has 20 years of military service, two bronze stars, and an education from Princeton and Harvard. Critics say he’s not the typical Washington choice, but the American people have rejected the usual picks. While civilian leadership made decisions, the military executed them, leading to disastrous outcomes. With a new president, there’s hope for change by appointing non-insiders. Hegseth, as a veteran advocate, must prove his capability in the role, but he should be given an opportunity to succeed.
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Speaker 0: Anyone have confidence in the current leadership of the Pentagon and the way the defense sit situation has been operating for the last several years? I mean, from the Afghanistan pullout, which was an extreme debacle for which no one was held accountable. We've had spy balloons flying over the United States. We built a $300,000,000 pier as a public relations stunt, which wound up killing an American service member. I'd say I've had just about enough of the so called insiders running the defense department. I think you ought to give Pete Higgs that the chance because he's got he's got the insiders. I think you ought to give Pete Hegset the chance because he's got he's got insiders. I'm I all the criticism of him is that he's not the expected Washington pick. And I'm just saying to you that the American people just voted against the expected Washington pick. So he's got 20 years in service, Afghanistan, Iraq, 2 bronze stars, Princeton, Harvard. Yeah. He's on TV, but so are the rest of us. Speaker 1: By the way, Speaker 0: that's my and I I just I think Speaker 1: I think he obviously is really interesting because you highlighted a bunch of things that the civilian leadership of the country decided on. And the military, their job was just to execute. They they executed Speaker 0: did it go? Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying. In terms of the decision making, you're assigning decision making, responsibility to the military over things that civilians were responsible for. Speaker 0: So so you make a good point. The civilian leadership made decisions, and then the people they put in charge of the Pentagon carried it out. And it was all pretty much a disaster. So while now we have a new president who I think got elected in part because of some of those disasters, and he's gonna put in some of the non insiders in charge of not just this agency, but a bunch of them. Now look, you Speaker 1: know, they've gotta perform. Speaker 0: They've gotta perform. I mean, we got 53 US senators and the Republicans. And Pete Hegseth, he's an American hero. The man won 2 bronze stars for his service, and he's been a champion for veterans. I don't I mean, he's gonna have to go up there just like everybody else and prove his knowledge of how to do this job. He's not immune from that, but we ought to give this man a chance in my opinion.

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#7 - TMZ Founder Harvey Levin says Hollywood is in a state of PANIC over the Diddy sex crime scandal. “Every celebrity in the world seems to have gone to one of these white parties. Everybody wanted to go. And if you got an invitation, you went. So you can pretty much count every high profile [celebrity] has been to one of these parties.” Levin went on to explain that Hollywood can get very loud very quickly when it wants to. But oddly, they are utterly silent on the Diddy allegations. Levin further detailed that there are numerous videos that have reportedly been kept by Diddy over the years that have now been seized by federal authorities and are being shared with civil lawyers. This has caused widespread panic in Hollywood, as people are questioning whether they might appear in the footage or be implicated in past events. “I think there’s a lot of panic, and that’s what we’re hearing. And people just don’t want the association, and they don’t want to talk about it. I think it’s that simple,” Levin said.

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There's a noticeable silence in Hollywood regarding certain parties, especially compared to past scandals like Harvey Weinstein's. Many high-profile celebrities attended these events, but that alone doesn't imply wrongdoing. The focus is on after parties and questionable activities. The federal seizure of videos kept by Diddy has sparked concern among many in the industry. Civil lawyers, like Busby, have received numerous videos, leading to anxiety about potential implications for those involved. People are worried about being linked to past events that could be misinterpreted or brought to trial, resulting in a general reluctance to discuss the situation.
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Speaker 0: Gets loud very quickly in certain cases. They did certainly with Harvey Weinstein and others. They have been very, very silent here, and I I agree with you. I don't think just be look. There every celebrity in the world seems to have gone to one of these white parties. I mean, everybody wanted to go, and if you got an invitation, you went. So you can pretty much count everybody high profile has been to one of these parties. That's not disqualifying. That doesn't mean it's untoward. We're not talking about white parties. We're talking about after parties. We're talking about threesomes. We're talking about all sorts of things that are not those parties. But that said, there are lots of videos that Diddy kept over the years that have been now seized by the feds, And a lot of these videos are also going to some of the civil lawyers. Busby told us he has gotten a slew of these videos, and I think there's just panic in Hollywood. Am I on that video? Was I in some situation in 1999 or 2002 where it might be interpreted a certain way or might end up in trial? I think there's a lot of panic, and that's what we're hearing. And people just don't want the association, and they don't wanna talk about it. I think it's that simple.

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#6 - @MikeBenzCyber warns deep-blue states are intending to “box out” social media platforms that allow free speech by creating state-level restrictions on what platforms can host. “There’s going to be a big push by the censorship industry activists there to codify laws that put restrictions on the kind of content that social media platforms can host. “And their goal there is going to be to balkanize the country and create a sort of market disruption so that the only tech companies who are allowed to proliferate that kind of content there, lest they lose their ability to operate in the state or suffer heavy revenue fines, are going to be the ones who comply with those content restrictions.” Clip: @UngaTheGreat

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Two main strategies will emerge for censorship in a post-Trump era: state and global. The state strategy involves new laws in blue states like California and New York, aimed at restricting social media content and creating market disruptions. This will push compliant tech companies to the forefront while limiting access to platforms that support free speech. The global strategy mirrors the post-2016 election response, where former officials will leverage their connections to influence foreign governments into imposing censorship on American companies hosting pro-Trump content. This will lead to a battle between the Trump administration's diplomatic efforts and the censorship initiatives from civil society groups aligned with the previous administration.
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Speaker 0: But I'm just curious your thoughts on how you think they will be able to continue to wage, you know, censorship warfare in a post Trump victory era. Speaker 1: Yeah. They have two main strategies for this. There's the the there's the state strategy, and then there's the global strategy. So the state strategy is going to involve a a whole swarm of new state laws, California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Illinois, all the big blue states, there's going to be a big push by the censorship industry activists there to codify laws that put restrictions on the kind of content that social media platforms can host. And their goal there is going to be to balkanize the country and create a sort of market disruption so that the only tech companies who are allowed to proliferate that kind of content there, lest they lose their ability to operate in the state or suffer heavy revenue fines are going to be the ones who comply with those content restrictions. They're also going to use a push around something called media literacy, which is those states are going to box out social media platforms that allow free speech and box out news institutions like the like the war room, in order to prevent them from being accessed in public Wi Fi's, in order to be able to prevent them from being cited in, in high school or middle school or elementary school exams. You already see this, a major push to to start that effort began in in 2021. It really began in 2017, but it's escalated dramatically in the past few years, and it will fall on effectively the legal system to enforce the first amendment against these states, which are going to try to create state level restrictions on what the platforms can host. But that's one battle at home. The second battle is that we are we are about to witness a replay of the transatlantic flank attack, as I call it, from the immediate aftermath of the 2016 election. They blame the 2016 election on free speech, And that that is what gave rise to the creation of the censorship industry that spans all of NATO and now beyond, which is that they were out of power after 2016. Just like just like now, Democrats lost the executive branch, they lost the house, and they lost the senate all there in in 2016. And so what they did in order to get the ball rolling on censorship is you had these exiles from the Hillary Clinton State Department and the John Kerry State State Department take their special set of skills which is back channeling with foreign regulators and foreign diplomats to do shadow diplomacy, to essentially leverage their financial heft, to leverage the favors that they can repay once they return to power in order to get foreign governments to institute censorship restrictions on American companies that were hosting pro Trump content or pro Trump accounts. So that was a sort of transatlantic flank attack 1.0. You are going to, mark my words, you are going to see an exodus from Tony Blinken's state department and they are going to go straight into civil society jobs at Brookings, at the Atlantic Council, at CSIS, at the Council on Foreign Relations, at at the Penn Biden Center, at at Stanford University, in the har in the Harvard Belfer Center, and and you name it. They are all going to get their little purchase there and they're going to take that residual influence and they're going to be making back channel deals with NATO, with the European Union, with the governments in Brazil, in Australia, and they are going to try to do that Brazil strategy that they were able to successfully do under Brazil and to make it so that the only platforms that are allowed to have global dominance on social media are the ones who do not allow their political enemies to have a voice. And there will be a constant fight between the Trump administration's diplomatic efforts through the government and the blob's, censorship diplomatic efforts in the shadow government.

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#5 - The owner of the Los Angeles Times has fired his entire editorial board filled with far-left activists as he seeks to return the paper to its journalistic roots. Posting on the X platform, the paper’s owner, Patrick Soon-Shiong, said he was proud to have posted a letter opposing attacks on white women for voting for Donald Trump and that the paper would be undergoing some major changes moving forward. Read More: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/los-angeles-times-owner-fires-far-left-editorial/

Los Angeles Times Owner Fires Far-Left Editorial Board - Wants 'Factual and Balanced Coverage' of Trump Presidency | The Gateway Pundit | by Ben Kew The owner of the Los Angeles Times has fired his entire editorial board as he seeks to return the paper to its journalistic roots. thegatewaypundit.com

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#4 - Special Counsel Jack Smith is reportedly scrambling to finalize what is left of his work so he can retire before President-elect Donald Trump takes office in January – denying the Republican a chance to fire him. Smith is trying to wind down the two federal cases he has been pursuing against the 45th president so he can get ahead of Trump’s promise to axe him within “two seconds” of being sworn back into the White House, the New York Times reported Wednesday, citing sources. He is aiming to not leave behind any significant work for others to complete in the wake of Trump’s inauguration in January – and has already started telling members of his team they can start planning their departures over the next few weeks, the outlet said. Read More: https://nypost.com/2024/11/13/us-news/special-coounsel-jack-smith-plans-to-retire-before-trump-takes-office/

Special counsel Jack Smith plans to retire before Trump takes office: report Special Counsel Jack Smith says he plans to retire before President-elect Donald Trump takes office in January, denying the incoming president a chance to fire the lawyer. nypost.com

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@ScottJenningsKY @MikeBenzCyber #3 - Elon Musk Calls for Defunding NPR After Orwellian Clip of CEO Resurfaces Online https://vigilantnews.com/post/elon-musk-calls-for-defunding-of-npr-after-orwellian-clip-of-ceo-resurfaces-online/

Elon Musk Calls for Defunding NPR After Orwellian Clip of CEO Resurfaces Online Absolutely! This is long overdue. vigilantnews.com

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@ScottJenningsKY @MikeBenzCyber #2 - Trump Picks Matt Gaetz for Attorney General, Tulsi Gabbard for Director of National Intelligence https://vigilantnews.com/post/trump-picks-matt-gaetz-for-attorney-general-tulsi-gabbard-for-director-of-national-intelligence/

Trump Picks Matt Gaetz for Attorney General, Tulsi Gabbard for Director of National Intelligence The hits to the establishment keep on coming. vigilantnews.com

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@ScottJenningsKY @MikeBenzCyber #1 - Don Lemon, now reduced to doing the work of a junior street journalist, gets owned by an average, everyday citizen.

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I've spoken with many concerned individuals who have valid emotions. Politicians, including Trump, are imperfect, but we achieved significant progress during his administration. While Trump's stance on abortion may not resonate with everyone, a notable percentage of women still voted for him, indicating that abortion isn't the sole issue for many. People have diverse concerns, such as border security, crime, and inflation. Women and men alike have multifaceted priorities. If abortion is your primary concern, consider living in a pro-choice state. However, many voters prioritize other issues and believe Trump can address them, even if not perfectly. I acknowledge my perspective as a man and refrain from commenting on abortion.
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Speaker 0: I mean, I've been talking to a really, really concerned and they're emotional and I think a lot of them have a right to be. Speaker 1: Politicians aren't perfect. They're imperfect like everybody else. Trump's rhetoric isn't for everybody. His style isn't for everybody. We got a lot of good things done under Trump. Speaker 0: Okay. Then what they did, meaning a woman's right to Speaker 1: choose, is removed under Trump. Only issue in this world. Okay? A percentage of the female vote went up 2%. So are those women crazy? I mean, it's not 50%, but it's high forties and he got that. So ask those women, like, they voted for Trump. So clearly, it wasn't just abortion was the issue. Now I agree. Even in very Republican states, you know, pro choice amendments have done very, very well. Okay? So it is a concern. I think most people are pro choice. Okay? But at the end of the day, like, there's a lot of people there's other things. They're concerned about the broken border. They're concerned about crime. They're concerned about inflation. They're concerned about a lot of other things. So women are not one dimensional. Men are not one dimensional. And so if you're upset about abortion, great. If that's your prime issue, then go live in a state that's pro choice. If it's not your one issue, like a lot of people vote for Trump, you got other things to care about, and he'll fix those things. Not totally, but he'll do his best. Speaker 0: I think it's easy for you to say as a man. Speaker 1: Well, dude, it's easy for me to say about a lot of things. Sure. I'm not a woman. That's why I don't I don't opine on abortion.

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@ScottJenningsKY @MikeBenzCyber BONUS #1 - MSNBC, CNN Viewership Plummets Post-Election https://vigilantnews.com/post/msnbc-cnn-viewership-plummets-post-election/

MSNBC, CNN Viewership Plummets Post-Election Americans' trust in mainstream media has collapsed to a historic low... vigilantnews.com

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@ScottJenningsKY @MikeBenzCyber BONUS #2 - Twelve ‘Ancient’ Natural Remedies Better Than Drugs https://vigilantnews.com/post/12-ancient-natural-remedies-better-than-drugs/

12 ‘Ancient’ Natural Remedies Better Than Drugs These "Grandma-approved" remedies were passed down through the ages because they actually work. vigilantnews.com

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@ScottJenningsKY @MikeBenzCyber BONUS #3 - The Greatest Medication You’ve Never Heard of https://vigilantnews.com/post/the-greatest-medication-youve-never-heard-of/

The Greatest Medication You’ve Never Heard of It's not ivermectin, and it's not hydroxychloroquine. But it does have something in common with both of those drugs. vigilantnews.com

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@ScottJenningsKY @MikeBenzCyber BONUS #4 - CNN Panel MELTS DOWN as Scott Jennings Erupts on Late-Night Comedians https://vigilantnews.com/post/cnn-panel-melts-down-as-scott-jennings-erupts-on-late-night-tv-for-giving-joe-biden-a-free-pass/

CNN Panel MELTS DOWN as Scott Jennings Erupts on Late-Night TV for Giving Joe Biden a Free Pass It's mind-boggling how out of touch they are. vigilantnews.com

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How to Clean Your Arteries with One Simple Fruit Let this delicious fruit work its artery opening magic. vigilantnews.com

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Thanks for reading! If you enjoyed this post, please do me a quick favor and follow this page (@VigilantFox) before you go. In other news, one former money manager warns Trump is “going to get blamed for what is coming.” Read more on that here: https://t.co/1iCIvGZONH

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10 Shocking Stories the Media Buried Today #10 - Trump has inherited a “turd of an economy,” and when things “roll over,” he’ll be the one blamed for it. This dire news comes from COVID vaccine data analyst and former BlackRock asset manager Ed Dowd. Dowd predicts things could “unravel anytime between now and March.” And if the incoming Trump administration doesn’t “get out in front of the narrative,” then they are “going to get blamed for what is coming.” According to Dowd, America should have already entered a recession by “the second half of 2023.” However, “The government went on a spending spree... which gave the economy a bit more life.” “The real economy (not the stock market) has been rolling over,” Dowd lamented, “and we’re just waiting for the financial markets to figure this out. They will. And when they do, unfortunately, Trump will inherit turd of a financial market crisis.” Dowd added that he has insights into “some interesting indicators” that suggest the economy has “nowhere to go but the other direction [down].” Although the short-term economic future looks grim, Dowd mentioned some “good news.” And the good news is that Trump is the incoming president. Under Trump’s leadership, Dowd believes, the looming financial mess can be dealt with much better than if Harris won the office. “Now, the good news is that Trump is in office, and his policies will be far better than under the Biden administration. If Harris had won, I’d be far gloomier. There will be pain, but I believe it can be mitigated somewhat,” @DowdEdward said. (See 9 More Revealing Stories Below)

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The economy is facing serious issues despite record high stock markets. A recession was projected for late 2023, and while government spending temporarily boosted the economy, real wage growth is down 2%, reminiscent of past election years during recessions. The current economic indicators suggest an impending crisis, with manipulated statistics masking the reality. Although Wall Street remains optimistic for now, signs point to increased volatility and widening credit spreads soon. Historical patterns indicate that easy money leads to fraud, and the current situation mirrors past economic collapses. If Trump takes office, his policies may mitigate some pain, but significant challenges lie ahead as the truth about the economy becomes apparent.
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Speaker 0: We're talking about the economy. They just lowered rates again with a record high stock market. What could go first of all, thanks for being on. And what could go wrong? Speaker 1: Well, look, we we were projecting a recession for the second half of 'twenty three. The government went on a and the Harris administration went on a government spending spree that got the economy to have a little bit more life, but we never got into expansion territory according to our numbers. And we started rolling over again in April. And, the Federal Reserve stopped the bank panic with the bank funding term program. If you recall, there were big bank failures in March. And things look scary, but they managed to paper it over. The real economy, however, is in the tank. And there was an interesting statistic I saw before the election. Real weekly average wage growth is minus 2% going into the election. It's also interesting to note that that same number occurred minus 2% in 1980 when Ronald Reagan won a landslide and also in 1992 when Bill Clinton won a landslide. And you'll notice in those two time periods we had official obsessions. This time we don't. And I I wanna say that I've never seen, such blatant manipulation of government statistics, unprecedented spending, and government hiring to paper over what is truly a bad economy for the average man. So Trump when I was asked, in the week or two prior to the, election, I was asked who he thinks he's gonna win. I said Trump has already won according to this economic statistic, which, you know, that's why he won. I mean, Bobby Kennedy helped, and Elon Musk, and Joe Rogan, and lots of people switching, and the green team, and what have you. But what really got Trump in was the economy, the real economy, not the stock market, not not the the not not the everything is hunky dory, problem you're getting from the mainstream media. The real economy has been rolling over and we're just waiting for the financial markets to figure this out. They will. And when they do, unfortunately, Trump's gonna inherit a turd a turd of a financial market crisis and the government's statistics will be updated and we'll we'll probably show we started a recession sometime this year. Speaker 0: You are early again. Here you're saying the economy is gonna blow up and we're at record high stock markets. Record high S and P record high. Nasdaq record high. Dow record high. Record high. Russell, everything's record high. And you're saying that this is that it it that Trump's gonna get hammered with a terrible economy. Speaker 1: It's already terrible, but it's gonna become more apparent pretty soon. We have some, interesting, indicators that we haven't made available to the public because we're probably in charge for them. But what I can tell you is they're slammed to extremes we've never seen before. And they have nowhere to go but the other direction which indicates increased volatility and credit spreads widening at some point quite dramatically. And that is something that hasn't happened yet. Historically, it should have already happened but it hasn't. We've had fake non farm payroll numbers. We've had GDP numbers that don't make any sense compared to what we're seeing in the economic indicators. And this this this is all gonna come to life pretty fairly soon. And I think, unfortunately, this rally after Trump is not gonna be as, fortuitous as people think. I think it might be the unending blow off top, but we'll know we'll know soon. My my friends on Wall Street seem to think that everything's hunky dory until at least year end, that everyone's gonna chase performance till year end, and then we have to start worrying about things in January. Well, when everyone's of the same opinion, I I put the clock on between, you know, Monday and, sometime in March. But this could start to, unravel anytime between now and then. I know it's not like a broken record but, we've never seen such unprecedented fraud and manipulation in government statistics. And I wanna, you know, take you through an analogy. The central bank cycle has a fraud element to it. When you create easy money, and and whatnot, usually there's a an ending element that results in fraud. In the nineties, it was corporate fraud and that blew up. Enron, WorldCom, Lucent, all sorts of accounting fraud. It was a party and when the punch bowl was taken away, it fell, it was dead by raising interest rates. It it eventually collapsed. Then we had the line of interest rates, unprecedented monetary easing that then created real estate bubble that ended up in bank fraud. Then we had the great financial crisis and we solved that crisis with more debt. The decision was made not to like take care of the debt problem. The decision was to solve the debt problem with more debt. And then we saw central banks and governments collude to basically keep interest rates flat for 14 years and we saw an expansion of government and central banking power. And now we're at the point where, you know, the numbers are being cut at the, at the government statistical level, I believe. And that's and we've already seen some of that evidence come to light when they revised non farm payrolls down to 850,000 in August. I think once Trump gets in there and once, the, financial markets start to realize what's really going on, it's gonna be horrendous. Now the good news the good news is Trump is in there and his his his policies, will be way better than the Biden administration. If Harrison won, I was really gonna be glum and glum. This is actually there's gonna be pain, but I think the pain can be mitigated somewhat.
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I’ve been reflecting on the overwhelming presence of pharmaceutical ads on TV and how they influence media coverage. A TV news president revealed that hosts who criticize Big Pharma risk losing their jobs, highlighting the financial dependency of news outlets on pharma advertising. This situation mirrors past hesitations to expose Big Tobacco due to similar financial ties. With the potential appointment of RFK Jr. to HHS, there's concern in the media about the future of these ads, which could significantly impact their revenue. Additionally, a docuseries claims that the media has misled the public about health and medicine for years due to funding.

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Why are there so many pharma ads on TV? HINT: It’s not to sell drugs. A TV news president admitted to RFK Jr. that any host allowing him to speak negatively about Big Pharma on air would be FIRED because “this is where our advertisers are.” Jaws dropped when former pharma insider @CalleyMeans told Tucker Carlson on his show, “The news ad spending from pharma is a public relations lobbying tactic, essentially to BUY OFF the news... The media plays referee because they're funded by so on all levels.” There are only two countries that allow pharma ads on TV: one is the United States, and the other is New Zealand. And those pharma ads make up a BIG chunk of money. RFK Jr. was told by a network executive that “during non-election years, during some months, up to 70% of his news division revenues are coming from pharma.” During the 1950s and 1960s, when evidence about the dangers of smoking began to emerge, news organizations hesitated to expose Big Tobacco because they depended on the industry for its ad revenue. Now, the same conflict exists today with the pharmaceutical industry and TV news. This is why the mainstream media is in full-blown PANIC over RFK Jr.'s HHS appointment. They know that once he gets in, he is going to END pharma ads on TV. And that's going to be a devastating blow to their wallets.

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A network president revealed that allowing certain voices on air could lead to the host's firing due to advertiser pressures, particularly from pharmaceutical companies. During non-election years, up to 70% of news revenue can come from pharma ads, which serve as a public relations tactic rather than simply promoting drugs. This funding influences the media, making it reluctant to investigate pharmaceutical practices, even when there are serious concerns about vaccine safety and corporate misconduct. The media often dismisses legitimate questions as anti-science, silencing discussions about vaccine injuries. There's a growing need to reconsider trust in the pharmaceutical industry, especially with the increasing government funding for drugs like Ozempic.
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Speaker 0: This network president told me that if one of his talk shows allowed me on the air, that he would fire the host. This person is a friend of mine. Mhmm. And I would have to fire the host because, this is where our advertisers are. And if he if he lost an advertiser, it's a major catastrophe for the network. The press has effectively been neutralized if, you know, all you have to do is sit down and and watch the 6 o'clock news on TV and see how many of those stories are bracketed by pharmaceutical ads. I was told by a network executive that during nonelection years, during some months, during nonelection years, up to 70% of his news division revenues are coming from pharma. Speaker 1: But you're saying that that pharma buys TV spots not to convince people to ask for specific drugs from their physicians, but to subvert the news business? Speaker 2: This is a this is an open secret working for pharma. Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. Speaker 2: This is an open secret. The the the kind of, silly ads you see between the news breaks, the points of that is not it's largely to impact the customer. But but the the pharma's already got that. They've already bought off the doctors. The the they're they're good on that. No. No. This is an open secret. The news ad spending from pharma is a public relation lobbying tactic, essentially, to buy off the news. The the news is a refer they're not investigating pharma. There's a thing. Oh, I've noticed. The the news has become the news has become basically a referee that you were a terrible, anti science Luddite for asking why, you know, the the shots that we require our kids to get that fundamentally, by their own advertising, change, the immune system of that child for life, why it's gone from 20 to 70. To even ask that question, the news referees that and calls you anti science when the 2 largest vaccine makers in the country are literally criminal enterprises. Blackstone Smith, Kline, and Merck, in the past 5 years, has settled 2 of the largest criminal penalties in American corporate history for bribing and misleading, bribing doctors and misleading, creating misleading research who who may who are the 2 largest vaccine makers. So you literally have the media playing referee that you can't even ask a question. Parent is actually If Speaker 1: you have a vaccine injury, and many people Right. Have, including some I know very well, even a profound vaccine injury, you're not allowed to complain about it. Speaker 2: No. No. No. You're anti Speaker 1: you're anti science Even if it can be shown, it was this is a vaccine injury. Speaker 2: The media the media plays referee because they're funded. But so so so in all levels. Right? Wow. On all levels. And and Speaker 1: I'm not dark, Kelly, means. Speaker 2: Well well, I think it's hopefully empowering. I I I think this is why we have an opportunity here, Tucker. Like Ozempic, this is not some, like, new like, you know, it's kind of this funny thing. Like, oh, you know, it's kind of vain. I can lose weight. This is go the reason the stocks are going up is because this is gonna be a lot of government money. This is gonna be the highest funded drug from the US taxpayer in history. And we've got a society when are we gonna say, let's go another direction? Why are we trusting pharma now when they've been completely acting to to garner no trust?

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Have you ever looked at how much money BIG PHARMA actually spends on TV advertising? Once you do, it becomes obvious why so many people still don’t know the COVID vaccines are deadly. Send this to your normie friends. And tune in live this afternoon @OldStateSaloon https://t.co/U2BexznFSd

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Big Pharma spends heavily on media propaganda, influencing public perception and political campaigns. A recent vote in Idaho ended funding for COVID-19 vaccines, reflecting growing skepticism. Studies show vaccines may harm natural immunity, with significant increases in severe health issues among vaccinated individuals. The pharmaceutical industry is a major advertiser on networks like CBS and MSNBC, with top drugs linked to companies like Pfizer. In the 2020 election, a large portion of Congress received funding from pharmaceutical companies. Since 2011, digital ad spending in healthcare has surged, with billions spent on advertising and censorship efforts. The COVID-19 response is viewed as a significant wrongdoing, and there’s a call for accountability and a return to health. It's never too late to seek justice for those affected.
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Speaker 0: Dude, do you know how much money Big Pharma actually spends on propaganda on our news media? We'll get to this chart in just a second because it explains why it's taken so long for regular people to wake up to what is going on here. But one of the counties here in Idaho just voted to stop funding COVID 19 vaccines, and they're no longer offering them. But it was close. It was a 4 to 3 vote, thanks to people like doctor Tribble making basic arguments like we are here to protect public. And studies like this have been coming out for a long time now, showing that the vaccine decimates our natural immune responses, leaving especially young people open to all kinds of severe diseases that they otherwise would never, ever, ever get. Study finds 1,700,000 vaccinated kids now have severe heart defects. These are disability claims in the civilian labor force over the age of 16, taken from official data points. Clear downtrend until the vaccines are introduced. And then what the hell is this? Not only are we disabling American healthy workers, but we're also paying public money to now support them because they can't support themselves. That's on top of us already spending more than any other nation and receiving a lower life expectancy on average than any other developed nation by a large margin. So like always follow the money. Who are the top 5 prime time news advertisers by network? Well, Pfizer's not actually listed anywhere. Right? But hold on. Read a little closer. Duplexent, Humira, Ibrance, Elquis. What are those? Those sound like the names of drugs. Right? That's because they are. And when you look up who owns all of those drugs, you're like, oh, Pfizer owns both Elquis, that blue one, and Xeljanz, that blue one, and Ibrance, that red one. In fact, when you overlay all of these pieces of these bars that are actually just big pharma hiding behind the names of their drugs, this is what the top spenders on the biggest media actually looks like. CBS's entire top 5 advertisers are big pharma. More than half of MSNBC and NBC's top advertising spenders are big pharma. And Fox News is just the my pillow guy. I don't like, is he laundering money? What is is there a story there that I should be digging into? Then you dig into how big pharma influences political campaigns. And in the 2020 election cycle, 72 senators and 302 members of the house cashed a check from the pharmaceutical industry. That represents more than 2 thirds of Congress. And they're not just funding federal or congress. Pfizer wrote checks to 1,048 individual candidates in state legislative races as well. In this article, if you look up, like, this title and maybe that author, these keywords, you'll find these interactive maps where you can click on the different, pharmaceutical companies, and you can see how much money they've donated and to exactly who and what races they've donated money. Pfizer, $1,300,000,000 Novo Nordisk, half a $1,000,000,000 AstraZeneca, half a 1000000000, Merck, 888,000,000 Amgen, $1,200,000,000. And that's if you round down. Since 2011, health care and pharma digital ad spending is up almost 2,000%. In just q one of 2023, Big Pharma in total spent $2,100,000,000 on advertising on cable and broadcast news. And that's not even including the money they're giving to people like Google and Facebook, etcetera, to censor all of us talking about what we all know is true. They're making money off of killing us and making us sick, and then they're spending money to keep us from talking about it. And so today, I'm gonna be talking about it at Old State Saloon with doctor Tribble, a leader in the medical freedom movement. He's up here in Idaho doing the Lord's work. We'll be streaming it live on here on x as well as across Rumble, I would assume, and it'll be out later for everyone to watch after the fact too. What happened during COVID was one of the largest crimes against humanity in our lifetimes, probably the largest in our lifetimes, and we are still waiting on a reckoning. And we don't get that if we stop talking about it. And if you got tricked into taking that shot, it's okay to wake up now. It's never too late to demand justice. Because all of us that didn't get it, that were told we were gonna die and get sick and ruin the world, we're doing just fine. We are so okay. We are so happy that we did not get that thing. But what's done is done, and now it's time to make America healthy again. Oh, yeah. And it's time for Nuremberg 2.0.
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I recently watched a heated debate on CNN where I challenged Dr. Paul Offit on his financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry while discussing vaccine safety. I highlighted how conflicts of interest undermine public trust and questioned the focus on measles over pressing health issues like obesity and chronic disease. Despite Offit's assertions about vaccine safety, I argued that the media often overlooks critical health concerns. The segment ended abruptly, showcasing how mainstream media struggles when confronted with challenging viewpoints.

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Calley Means Stuns CNN Viewers With Two Devastating Takedowns Live on Air Paul Offit and Pamela Brown came prepared for a debate. What they received was a reckoning. 🧵 THREAD https://t.co/iUBRquJ8Hf

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Calley Means (@CalleyMeans), ex-pharma consultant turned industry critic, came out swinging on CNN Wednesday in a fiery debate against infamous vaccine pusher Dr. Paul Offit. Offit thought he could call RFK Jr. an anti-vaxxer without his own financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry being exposed—but he was wrong. Things immediately got heated when Means exposed Offit’s shocking conflicts of interest on live TV while CNN’s Pamela Brown stood by and let it happen like a deer caught in headlights. “What’s causing distrust in public health authorities is conflicts of interest, like Dr. Offit taking millions of dollars from pharmaceutical makers like Merck while approving and recommending pharmaceuticals on ACIP committees. “Dr. Offit says that science is always settled when he himself has approved vaccines that have been recalled for causing organ failure in kids. “Dr. Offit is talking about measles… But there were 300 deaths from measles a year before the invention of the vaccine. We have 38% of children right now with prediabetes. Bobby is focused on that. He’s focused on reorganizing the department. And that’s what we should be talking about, not this distraction,” Means argued.

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What's causing distrust in public health isn't the idea of public health itself, but the actions of its leaders. We need to address the conflicts of interest, like Dr. Offit taking millions from pharmaceutical companies while approving their products. It's also about holding people accountable when they make definitive statements about science, yet have approved products, like vaccines, that have later been recalled for causing harm. While measles is important, let's remember that before the vaccine, there were 300 deaths a year from measles. Today, we have a much bigger problem, with 38% of children having prediabetes. It is important that we focus on reorganizing the department to address issues like this, instead of being distracted.
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Speaker 0: Trust in public health. No. It it it's the public health leaders themselves. It's people defending with the record that's happening to health at HHS. Why cuts are bad? Of course, we should make cuts. Of course, the personnel should be changed. What's causing distrust in public health authorities is conflict of interest, like doctor Offutt taking millions of dollars from pharmaceutical makers like Merck while approving and recommending pharmaceuticals on ACIP committees. It's the fact that doctor Offutt's saying that science is always settled, when he himself has approved vaccines that have been recalled for causing organ failure for kids. And it's the fact that doctor Offit is talking about measles, which is important. And I wanna be clear, Hamel. I don't wanna get this out. It's important. But there were three hundred deaths from measles a year before the invention of the vaccine. We have thirty eight percent of children right now having prediabetes. Bobby is focused on that. He's focused on reorganizing the department, and that's what we should be talking about, not this distraction.

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@calleymeans After Offit finished uncomfortably smiling during Means’ rebuke, he responded to the claims, saying, “I don’t have a relationship with a pharmaceutical company.” https://t.co/Z2KBFVNh7P

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I serve on the FDA's vaccine advisory committee because I don't have relationships with pharmaceutical companies, which is a requirement. I actually agree with some of the concerns raised, such as obesity rates, chronic illnesses, and overmedication of children. I even wrote a book about the excesses of modern medicine. However, I strongly disagree with the claim that vaccines are harmful, as RFK Jr. suggests. RFK Jr. continues to falsely claim that vaccines cause autism, and he's now targeting childhood vaccines, which will ultimately harm children.
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Speaker 0: Made a lot of claims there. I want you to respond to that. And we should note, you are a member of the FDA vaccine advisory committee, and you recently told CNN that RFK junior will hurt America's vaccine infrastructure. So please respond to that and tell us Speaker 1: And, Pamela, I hope we can disclose his I hope we can disclose his millions of dollars of pharmaceutical payments while serving in that committee. Speaker 0: Okay. Doctor Offit, please go ahead and respond. Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you're not allowed to serve on the FDA's vaccine advisory committee if you have a relationship with a pharmaceutical company. And so because I don't have a relationship with a pharmaceutical company, I'm able to serve on that committee. Secondly, and most importantly, actually, the things that that, that Cali talks about, I actually agree with in some ways. I think that we are, for example, more obese as a country than than we should be. And that the consequence of obesity like hypertension and type two diabetes, I think we do have, in many ways, more chronic illnesses. I think we overmedicate our children. I think there's many things we can do better. I actually wrote a book called Overkill When Modern Medicine Goes Too Far. So I agree with all that. What I don't agree with is that in any way, vaccines are are, harmful as RFK Jr says. I mean, RFK Jr continues to claim that vaccines cause autism when they don't. He's now made childhood vaccines a major target of this. And and that's that's, only gonna be to the detriment of children. Speaker 0: Hold on. No. No. Callie Callie, I have to let doctor Offit speak. This has to be a civil respectful conversation in order for this to work and for Americans, peep viewers to to soak this up. So I wanna let Doctor Offit finish and then I'll go to you, Callie, I promise. Go ahead Doctor Offit.

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But Means later questioned: “Is it appropriate for a member of a government advisory committee (ACIP) to have a $1.5 million salary paid by Merck and receive millions in pharma royalties while he’s issuing guidance on products those companies make?” https://t.co/uSf5aMFZoL

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Is it appropriate for a member of a government advisory committee to have a $1.5 million salary paid by Merck and receive millions in pharma royalties while he’s issuing guidance on products those companies make? https://t.co/Slm88xdWyH

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NEW: CNN frantically interrupts Calley Means as he exposes Paul Offit’s conflicts of interest and Big Pharma’s incentive to keep people sick. The direction of the conversation clearly had Pamela Brown on edge. @CalleyMeans: “Dr. Offit, as you know, you were the chair at the…

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I am for addressing issues like obesity and overmedicating children. Bobby Kennedy is fighting against the incentive for Pharma to profit from sick children. They don't make money when kids are healthy, and chronic disease is good for the health industry's bottom line. I support getting soda off of SNAP. When the data aren't on their side, RFK Jr. and personal injury lawyers attack the person. I don't have a conflict of interest. The Merck chair is defined by Penn, and there is no quid pro quo with an endowed chair. The science continually shows RFK Jr. is wrong about vaccines.
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Speaker 0: He talked about childhood vaccines, number one. He talked about electromagnetic radiation, number two. He talked about pesticides. He didn't talk about the things that Cali's talking about here, which is things like obesity or overmedicating children or sugar drapes. I'm all for that. I agree with you. You can have both Speaker 1: powerful he gave a he gave a powerful speech about these issues. This this is what Bobby Kinney is fighting against, doctor Offit. As you know, you were the chair at the Children's Hospital, the Merck chair. You you it was like a NASCAR driver wearing their sponsors. Merck paid your $1,500,000 salary. And this is what Bobby is saying, is that fundamentally, pharma can create good innovations, but they're foundationally incentivized for children to be sick. Pharma doesn't make money when children are healthy. The hospitals don't make money when the beds are empty. Chronic disease, just as a demonstrable statement of economic fact, is a great economic invention for the health industry which demonstrably makes money when patients are sick. And that's an incentive Bobby Kennedy is going hard after. I'm in Florida. I'm in I'm in a state senator's office right now. I'm actually lobbying for the state's SNAP bills, which Bobby is really supporting, to get soda off of SNAP. I think the problem is that the public health community, the Merck chairs of pediatricians, I mean, that is just insane. Merck does not have children's interest at heart. Merck itself has settled billions of dollars in criminal penalties for misleading and to know. Speaker 2: For transparency, you used to be a pharmaceutical rep. Right, Cali? Speaker 1: No. No. No. I was there about thirteen years ago with a was a was a lobbyist, which which included Speaker 2: So you were a lobbyist for pharmaceuticals. Okay. Speaker 1: That out. Speaker 2: Right. But really quick, we we do have to go. But doctor Offit, I have to have you respond to his claims about Merck and your ties. Speaker 0: Sure. What he does is what RFK Jr. Does, which is what all personal injury lawyer types do, which is when the the data aren't on their side, then they attack the person. I'm not Bobby Kennedy's ears. Speaker 2: Hold on. Hold on, Callie. Let him talk. Chair? Callie, please. Please. Speaker 0: I I wanna I don't receive a a okay. It's it's it's I do not have a conflict of interest. The Merc chair is is defined defined by, Penn. And Penn, there is no quid pro quo to being having an endowed chair. Anybody who receives an endowed chair an endowed chair would know. Secondly, it's like because they they there aren't the data on their side regarding vaccines. They do what all personal injury lawyer types do, which is attack the witness. I'm not RFK Jr's problem. The science that has continually shown he's wrong about vaccines Speaker 1: for sure. Millions of people. That. That's Speaker 2: the problem. Thank you both for coming on. Thank you for Speaker 0: coming again. Of Speaker 2: Okay. Callie, I let you say your piece, doctor Offit. I let you also respond, and I I appreciate you coming on for this spirited discussion, shall we say? Thank you for joining us. We'll be right back.

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Offit went on to say that he doesn’t know what the cause of autism is, mentioning several “interesting” theories. However, he stated with certainty that vaccines are “the one thing that doesn’t cause autism.” “Vaccines, I think, are really the safest, best-tested things that we give to children,” Offit said.

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RFK Jr. continues to falsely claim that vaccines cause autism, and he's made childhood vaccines a major target. This is dangerous and will lead to the death of children. When RFK Jr. says we have more chronic diseases in children than ever before, he's citing the instance of autism spectrum disorder. There are many interesting causes of autism spectrum disorder, like the infant microbiome, genetics, or medicines that pregnant people take during their pregnancy. But by focusing on childhood vaccines, he's focusing on the one thing that doesn't cause autism. Vaccines are really the safest, best-tested things that we give to children, and that's what is making America healthy. To focus on vaccines as a target and claim that they're causing harm when they're not is only a detriment to America's children.
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Speaker 0: What I don't agree with is that in any way, vaccines are are, harmful as RFK Jr. Says. I mean, RFK Jr. Continues to claim that vaccines cause autism when they don't. He's now made childhood vaccines a major target of this. And and that's that's, only gonna be for the death of children. Hold on. Speaker 1: No. No. Callie Callie, I have to let doctor Offit speak. This has to be a civil respectful conversation in order for this to work and for Americans viewers to to soak this up. So I wanna let doctor Offit finish, and then I'll go to you, Cali. I promise. Go ahead, doctor Offit. Speaker 0: So I I think that when, for example, he says we have more chronic diseases in children than ever before, he says that the instance is one in thirty six. Well, that's the instance of autism spectrum disorder. There's a lot of interesting, cause or causes of autism spectrum disorder, like the infant microbiome or genetic or, medicines that women or pregnant people can take during their pregnancy. That's interesting. But by focusing on childhood vaccines, he's focusing on the one thing that doesn't cause autism. And so vaccines, I think, are really the safest, best tested things that we give to children, and that's what make is making America healthy again. And I think to focus on vaccines as as a target and and claim that they're causing harms when they're not is only a detriment to America's children.

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The next disaster for CNN unfolded when host Pamela Brown asked @CalleyMeans a vaccination question that completely backfired. Means flipped the script, using her question to highlight how the media obsesses over “measles” instead of focusing on health concerns that truly matter. PAMELA BROWN: “Is now a time to promote vaccines... especially among children who are being impacted by measles in places like Texas and in these six states where, according to health officials, they are unvaccinated?" CALLEY MEANS: “Pamela, with respect, why aren’t you asking me about the fact that 50% of teens have obesity? There are breathless segments being run and seen on [infectious disease] day after day after day, Pamela. It’s breathless coverage of five measles cases. “Why aren’t we asking why 16% of COVID deaths worldwide were Americans when we’re only 4% of the world population? Because the CDC said our immune system—no, it is related, Pamela. And let me say why: because the entire coverage of Bobby Kennedy is around measles. “The Democrats said the word ‘measles’ 25 times in the first hearing and said the words ‘obesity,’ ‘diabetes,’ and ‘chronic disease’ zero times. The HHS priority document under President Biden said the word ‘equity’ 25 times, said the word ‘vaccines’ countless times, and did not say the word ‘obesity’ or ‘diabetes.’ “There is a problem right now because this is not zero-sum. We are focused on a very small subset that’s important—we need good infectious disease management. Bobby Kennedy, Dr. Offit, is not correct. Bobby Kennedy has said one thing about vaccines and one thing only: that they should be studied like any other product. “Dr. Offit, on the ACIP committee, has recommended vaccines that have ended up being recalled for causing mass issues to kids. Bobby Kennedy has written multiple books, not about being anti-vax, but about having good science. And Dr. Offit is calling him anti-vaccine for literally just saying we need studies. “Bobby Kennedy is not concerned with measles. He wants good policies with measles. He wants to attack the 92% of deaths in the United States, which is chronic conditions,” Means said.

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Why is everyone so focused on measles when so many other health issues plague our country? The media breathlessly covers five measles cases while ignoring the obesity epidemic affecting 50% of teens. Sixteen percent of COVID deaths worldwide were Americans, but our health priorities seem misdirected. The focus on measles is overshadowing other critical health concerns. Bobby Kennedy's stance isn't anti-vaccine; he simply advocates for rigorous studies on vaccines, like any other product. He, and others, are concerned with the chronic conditions responsible for 92% of deaths in the United States, and want to address the bigger picture of health policy.
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Speaker 0: Is it now a time to promote vaccines, which again, the CDC says safe effective that two doses are ninety percent effective against measles? Is it now a time to promote that especially among children who are being impacted by measles in places like Texas and in these states who are unvaccinated according to health officials. Speaker 1: Pamela, with with respect, why aren't you asking me about the fact that fifty percent of teens have obesity? Why aren't there there there are breathless Speaker 0: I have other questions for you, but we're talking about this. Speaker 1: Day after day after day, Pamela. It's breathless coverage of five measles cases. Why aren't we asking why sixteen percent of COVID deaths worldwide were Americans when we're only four percent of the world population because the CDC said, Our immune system, no, it is related, Pamela, and let me say why. Because the entire coverage of Bobby Kennedy is around measles. The Democrats said the word measles twenty five times in the first hearing and said the words obesity, diabetes, and chronic disease zero time. The HHS priority document under President Biden said the word equity 25 times, said the word vaccines countless times, did not say the word obesity or diabetes. There is a problem right now because this is not zero, this is zero sum. We are focused on a very small subset that's important. We need good infectious disease management. Bobby Kennedy, Doctor. Offit is not correct. Bobby Kennedy has said one thing about vaccines and one thing only, that they should be studied like any other product. Doctor. Offit on the ACIP committee has recommended vaccines that have ended up being recalled for causing mass issues to kids. Bobby Kennedy has written multiple books not about being anti vaxx but about having good science. And Doctor. Offit is calling him anti vaccine for literally just saying we need studies. Bobby Kennedy is not concerned with measles. He wants good policies with measles. He wants to attack the ninety two percent of deaths in The United States, which has chronic conditions.

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Means continued to hammer the medical industry, exposing how it “doesn’t make money when children are healthy.” “Pharma doesn’t make money when children are healthy. The hospitals don’t make money when the beds are empty. Chronic disease, just as a demonstrable statement of economic fact, is a great economic invention for the healthcare industry, which demonstrably makes money when patients are sick,” Means said. Visibly frustrated as @CalleyMeans dismantled the narrative CNN wanted to push, Pamela Brown began frantically cutting him off before abruptly ending the segment, calling it a “spirited discussion.”

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I support discussing issues like obesity and overmedicating children. Bobby Kennedy is fighting against the incentive for pharma to profit from sick children, and he's supporting efforts to remove soda from SNAP. The problem is that organizations like Merck don't have children's best interests at heart, considering their history of criminal penalties for misleading information. When the data isn't on their side, RFK Jr. and personal injury lawyers attack the person. My Merck chair is defined by Penn, and there's no quid pro quo. The science continually proves RFK Jr. wrong about vaccines.
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Speaker 0: He talked about childhood vaccines, number one. He talked about electromagnetic radiation, number two. He talked about pesticides. He didn't talk about the things that Cali's talking about here, which is things like obesity or overmedicating children or sugar drapes. I'm all for that. I agree with you. You can have both Speaker 1: powerful he gave a he gave a powerful speech about these issues. This this is what Bobby Kinney is fighting against, doctor Offit. As you know, you were the chair at the Children's Hospital, the Merck chair. You you it was like a NASCAR driver wearing their sponsors. Merck paid your $1,500,000 salary. And this is what Bobby is saying, is that fundamentally, pharma can create good innovations, but they're foundationally incentivized for children to be sick. Pharma doesn't make money when children are healthy. The hospitals don't make money when the beds are empty. Chronic disease, just as a demonstrable statement of economic fact, is a great economic invention for the health industry which demonstrably makes money when patients are sick. And that's an incentive Bobby Kennedy is going hard after. I'm in Florida. I'm in I'm in a state senator's office right now. I'm actually lobbying for the state's SNAP bills, which Bobby is really supporting, to get soda off of SNAP. I think the problem is that the public health community, the Merck chairs of pediatricians, I mean, that is just insane. Merck does not have children's interest at heart. Merck itself has settled billions of dollars in criminal penalties for misleading and to know. Speaker 2: For transparency, you used to be a pharmaceutical rep. Right, Cali? Speaker 1: No. No. No. I was there about thirteen years ago with a was a was a lobbyist, which which included Speaker 2: So you were a lobbyist for pharmaceuticals. Okay. Speaker 1: That out. Speaker 2: Right. But really quick, we we do have to go. But doctor Offit, I have to have you respond to his claims about Merck and your ties. Speaker 0: Sure. What he does is what RFK Jr. Does, which is what all personal injury lawyer types do, which is when the the data aren't on their side, then they attack the person. I'm not Bobby Kennedy's ears. Speaker 2: Hold on. Hold on, Callie. Let him talk. Chair? Callie, please. Please. Speaker 0: I I wanna I don't receive a a okay. It's it's it's I do not have a conflict of interest. The Merc chair is is defined defined by, Penn. And Penn, there is no quid pro quo to being having an endowed chair. Anybody who receives an endowed chair an endowed chair would know. Secondly, it's like because they they there aren't the data on their side regarding vaccines. They do what all personal injury lawyer types do, which is attack the witness. I'm not RFK Jr's problem. The science that has continually shown he's wrong about vaccines Speaker 1: for sure. Millions of people. That. That's Speaker 2: the problem. Thank you both for coming on. Thank you for Speaker 0: coming again. Of Speaker 2: Okay. Callie, I let you say your piece, doctor Offit. I let you also respond, and I I appreciate you coming on for this spirited discussion, shall we say? Thank you for joining us. We'll be right back.

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This debate made one thing clear: when mainstream news networks face someone who can challenge their narratives in real time, their arguments crumble, leaving viewers exposed to the truth. While it’s safe to say that @CalleyMeans won’t be invited back on CNN anytime soon, this segment should serve as a stark reminder that the media’s goal is to push narratives, not to report the truth or host an honest debate.

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I defend public health leaders and question why cuts are bad for health at HHS. Distrust stems from conflicts of interest, like Dr. Offit taking money from pharmaceutical companies while recommending drugs. He claims science is settled, yet approved vaccines have been recalled. I want focus on real issues: 38% of children having prediabetes. Measles deaths were high before vaccines, but chronic conditions are a bigger threat now. RFK Jr. isn't anti-vaccine but wants vaccine studies. I question why media covers measles over obesity and diabetes. Sixteen percent of COVID deaths were American, but the CDC didn't discuss metabolic links. I support measures like removing soda from SNAP, aiming for better health policies. Pharma profits from sick children, incentivizing chronic disease.
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Speaker 0: Trust in public health? No. It it it's the public health leaders themselves. It's people defending with the record that's happening to health at HHS why cuts are bad. Of course, we should make cuts. Of course, the personnel should be changed. What's causing distrust in public health authorities is conflict of interest, like doctor Offutt taking millions of dollars from pharmaceutical makers like Merck while approving and recommending pharmaceuticals on ACIP committees. It's the fact that doctor Offutt's saying that science is always settled, when he himself has approved vaccines that have been recalled for causing organ failure for kids. And it's the fact that doctor Offit is talking about measles, which is important. And I wanna be clear, Hamlet. I don't wanna get this out. It's important. But there were three hundred deaths from measles a year before the invention of the vaccine. We have thirty eight percent of children now having prediabetes. Bobby is focused on that. He's focused on reorganizing the department. Mhmm. And that's what we should be talking about, not this distraction. Speaker 1: And I'm gonna come back to you on that central question about the measles and and the bird flu and whether cuts right now are are makes sense. But I want you, doctor Offit, obviously, he made a lot of claims there. I want you to respond to that. And we should note, you are a member of the FDA vaccine advisory committee, and you recently told CNN that RFK Jr will hurt America's vaccine infrastructure. So please respond to that and tell us Speaker 0: And, Pamela, I hope we can disclose his I hope we can disclose his millions of dollars of pharmaceutical payments while serving in that committee. Speaker 1: Okay. Doctor Offit, please go ahead and respond. Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you're not allowed to serve on the FDA's vaccine advisory committee if you have a relationship with a pharmaceutical company. And so because I don't have a relationship with a pharmaceutical company, I'm able to serve on that committee. Secondly, and most importantly, actually, the things that that, that Cali talks about, I actually agree with in some ways. I think that we are, for example, more obese as a country than than we should be. And that the consequence of obesity like hypertension or type two diabetes, I think we do have, in many ways, more chronic illnesses. I think we overmedicate our children. I think there's many things we can do better. I actually wrote a book called Overkill When Modern Medicine Goes Too Far. So I agree with all that. What I don't agree with is that in any way, vaccines are are, harmful as RFK Jr. Says. I mean, RFK Jr. Continues to claim that vaccines cause autism when they don't. He's now made childhood vaccines a major target of this. And and that's that's, only to be the detriment of children. Speaker 1: Hold on. No. No. Callie Callie, I have to let doctor Offit speak. This has to be a civil respectful conversation in order for this to work and for Americans, viewers to to soak this up. So I wanna let doctor Offit finish, and then I'll go to you, Cali. I promise. Go ahead, doctor Offit. Speaker 2: So I I think that when, for example, he says we have more chronic diseases in children than ever before, he says that the incidence is one in thirty six. Well, that's the incidence of autism spectrum disorder. There's a lot of interesting, cause or causes of autism spectrum disorder, like the infant microbiome or genetic or medicines that women or pregnant people can take during their pregnancy. That's interesting. But by focusing on childhood vaccines, he's focusing on the one thing that doesn't cause autism. And so vaccines, I think, are really the safest, best tested things that we give to children, and that's what may is making America healthy again. And I think to focus on vaccines as as a target and and claim that they're causing harms when they're not is only a detriment to America's children. Speaker 0: And just Speaker 1: to be clear, these are two separate issue. There's vaccines which are proven safe and effective, and we're gonna talk more about that. But then there's the issue of chronic disease caused by, you know, the food that we're consuming, processed food and all of that, which as you both agree on, that needs to be dealt with, that needs to be a a priority, of course, which is why in many ways RFK Jr has gained so much popularity among many Americans, on that issue. But but I wanna go to you, Callie, to respond. And, also, you know, with this measles threat, is it now a time to promote vaccines, which, again, the CDC says safe effective that two doses are ninety percent effective against measles? Is it now a time to promote that, especially among children who are being impacted by measles in places like Texas and in these six states who are unvaccinated according to health officials? Speaker 0: Pamela, with with respect, why aren't you asking me about the fact that fifty percent of teens have obesity? Why aren't Speaker 1: there there there are questions for you, but we're talking about this. Speaker 0: Day after day after day, Pamela, it's breathless it's breathless coverage of of of of five measles cases. We why aren't we asking why sixteen percent of COVID deaths worldwide were Americans when we're only four percent of the world population because the CDC said our immune system. No. It is related, Pamela, and let me say why. Because the entire coverage of Bobby Kennedy is around measles. The Democrat said the word measles twenty five times in the first hearing and said the words obesity, diabetes, and chronic disease zero time. The HHS priority document under president Biden said the word equity 25 times, said the word vaccines countless times, did not say the word obesity or diabetes. There is a problem right now because this is not zero, this is zero sum. We are focused on a very small subset that's important. We need good infectious disease management. Bobby Kennedy, Doctor. Offit is not correct. Bobby Kennedy has said one thing about vaccines and one thing only, that they should be studied like any other product. Doctor Offit on the ACEF committee has recommended vaccines that have ended up being recalled for causing mass issues to kids. Bobby Kennedy has written multiple books not about being anti vaxxed, but about having good science. And doctor Offutt is calling him anti vaccine for literally just saying we need studies. Bobby Kennedy is not concerned with measles. He wants good policies with measles. He wants to attack the ninety two percent of deaths in The United States, which is chronic conditions. Speaker 1: I I think it is fair to say given his history in his past remarks though that he is, at the very least, a vaccine skeptic. Alright? A vaccine skeptic is is fair to say. I think he's a science Speaker 0: pro science advocate. Speaker 1: Okay. And and again, doctor Offit, I want you to respond to some of those claims. And, Callie, look, we can we can talk about all of this, and I do wanna talk about obesity. So don't make a claim that I'm not asking about important things because I've covered that on this show. I've covered the movement about what Kellogg's what they're trying to do with Kellogg's and trying to take food coloring out of Kellogg's. I've actually been on the forefront of covering a lot of these issues, so please don't make that claim I'm not asking the right questions. Speaker 0: Worry. I will I will say during COVID, CNN covered this as a pharmaceutical deficiency and did not talk about the metabolic links to COVID and how this really was a warning sign for our immune system. I agree, Pamela. You have covered this issue more than most. But Okay. There is a massive slant talking about measles rather than chronic conditions. Speaker 1: Okay. And that's your and that's your your point of view, and you're you're entitled to that. And on this show, we try to share all kinds of points of view and and different ways of looking at things. Thank you. So I wanna go to this 2016 USDA report that shows sugary beverages are the second most purchased items by households that receive SNAP benefits, while desserts are the fifth most purchased. Senator Mike Lee has introduced the Healthy SNAP Act, which would exclude these items from SNAP. Doctor, do you think that that's important, a bill like this? Are you in favor of that? Speaker 2: Sure. I I mean, I think that it it's certainly true that we we can have better health. I think, you know, that we we do have an increased instance of obesity. I think that things like I think we overmedicate our children in many ways. I think that people are reasonably dissatisfied with the health care system. I think we don't get great bang for our buck with with what we spend per capita. I think we compared to other developed world countries, we don't have the same, length of, say, like, length of, like, longevity or infant mortality rates don't compare favorably. Sure. That's all true. And I think you can have that and also say how important vaccines are. What worries me about our FK Jr, which is why I think he shouldn't be ahead of HHS, is he has been a virulent anti vaccine activist for the last twenty years. And and when he stands in front of of the the HHS, a couple days ago, what did he talk about? He talked about childhood vaccines, number one. He talked about electromagnetic radiation, number two. He talked about pesticides. He didn't talk about the things that Cali's talking about here, which is things like obesity or over medicating children or sugar drape. I'm all for that. I agree with you. You can have both. Speaker 0: Powerful he gave a he gave a powerful speech about these issues. This this is what Bobby Kinney's fighting against, doctor Oph. As you know, you were the chair at the Children's Hospital, the Merck chair. You you it was like a NASCAR driver wearing their sponsors. Merck paid your $1,500,000 salary. And this is what Bobby is saying, is that fundamentally, pharma can create good innovations, but they're foundationally incentivized for children to be sick. Pharma doesn't make money when children are healthy. The hospitals don't make money when the beds are empty. Chronic disease, just as a demonstrable statement of economic fact, is a great economic invention for the health industry, which demonstrably makes money when patients are sick, and that's an incentive Bobby Kennedy is going hard after. I'm in Florida. I'm in I'm in a state senator's office right now. I'm actually lobbying for the state's SNAP bills, which Bobby is really supporting, to get soda off of Snap. I think the problem is that the public health community, the Merck shares of pediatricians, I mean, that is just insane. Merck does not have children's interest at heart. Merck itself has settled billions of dollars in criminal penalties for misleading and falsifying data in the past ten years. Like like, what Speaker 1: do you mean by that? For for transparency, you used to be a pharmaceutical rep. Right, Cali? Speaker 0: No. No. No. I was about thirteen years ago with the was a was a lobbyist, which included So Speaker 1: you were a lobbyist for pharmaceuticals. Speaker 0: Okay. That out. Speaker 1: Right. But really quick, we we do have to go. But doctor Offit, I have to have you respond to his claims about Merck and your ties. Speaker 2: Sure. What he does is what RFK Jr. Does, which is what all personal injury lawyer types do, which is when the the data aren't on their side, then they attack the person. I'm not driving any chairs. Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on, Callie. Let him Speaker 0: talk. Chair? Speaker 1: Callie, please. Please. Speaker 2: I I wanna I don't receive a a okay. It's it's it's I do not have a conflict of interest. The Merck chair is is defined defined by, Penn. And Penn, there is no quid pro quo to being having an endowed chair. Is anybody who receives an endowed chair an endowed chair would know. Secondly, it's like because they they there aren't the data on their side regarding vaccines. They do what all personal injury lawyer types do, which is attack the witness. I'm not RFK Jr's problem. The science that has continually shown me is wrong about vaccines for sure. Speaker 0: To speak to me about that. Okay. Alright. Speaker 1: Thank you both for coming on. Again, okay, Cali. I let you say your piece, doctor Offit. I let you also respond, and I I appreciate you coming on for this spirited discussion, shall we say? Thank you for joining us. We'll be right back. Speaker 2: Our thoughts and prayers are with those who is

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In 2008, CBS aired a report by Sharyl Attkisson revealing that leading vaccine advocates were funded by pharmaceutical companies, highlighting potential conflicts of interest in vaccine safety claims. I wonder if mainstream media would dare to air something like that today.

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In 2008, CBS actually aired a report by Sharyl Attkisson exposing how top vaccine advocates received substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies—raising serious concerns about conflicts of interest in vaccine safety claims. Can you imagine the MSM airing such a report today? 🤣 Credit: @SharylAttkisson

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The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and pediatrician Dr. Paul Offit are trusted voices in vaccine defense, but CBS News found they have financial ties to the vaccine industry. The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for various purposes, but the totals are kept secret. Wyeth gave the Academy $342,000 for a community grant program, and Merck contributed $433,000 the same year the Academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine. Sanofi Aventis, a maker of 17 vaccines, is also a top donor. Every Child by Two admits to taking money from the vaccine industry, but wouldn't disclose the amount. An official from Wyeth and a paid adviser to big pharmaceutical clients have been listed as the group's treasurers. Dr. Offit holds a $1.5 million research chair funded by Merck and holds the patent on an anti-diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck. Future royalties for the vaccine were sold for $182 million. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two and Doctor. Offit wouldn't agree to interviews, but all told CBS they're upfront about the money they receive and it doesn't sway their opinions.
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Speaker 0: For years now, parents have wondered if vaccines are linked to conditions like autism and ADD. Government officials and some scientists say there is no connection, and they're often backed by independent experts. But just how independent are they? You may be surprised at what Cheryl Atkinson found when she set out to follow the money. Speaker 1: Just waiting for it to come. They're some of the most trusted voices in the defense of vaccine the American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and pediatrician Doctor. Paul Offit. But CBS News has found these three have something more in common. Polio number two Strong financial ties to the industry whose products they promote and defend. The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education classes, even help pay to build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret, but public documents reveal bits and pieces. Dollars 3 and 42,000 was given to the Academy by Wyeth, maker of the pneumococcal vaccine, for a community grant program. Dollars 4 and 33,000 was contributed to the Academy by Merck, the same year the Academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine. Another top donor, Sanofi Aventis, maker of 17 vaccines, and a new five and one combo shot just added to the childhood vaccine schedule last month. Every Child by Two, a group that promotes early immunization for all children, admits the group takes money from the vaccine industry too, but wouldn't tell us how much. A spokesman told us there are simply no conflicts to be unearthed. But guess who has been listed as the group's treasurers, an official from Wyeth and a paid adviser to big pharmaceutical clients. Then there's doctor Paul Offit, perhaps the most widely quoted defender of vaccine safety. He's gone so far as to say babies can tolerate quote 10,000 vaccines at once. This is how Offit described himself in a previous interview. Speaker 2: I'm the chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a professor of pediatrics at Penns Medical School. Speaker 1: Doctor Offit was not willing to be interviewed on this subject. But like others in our investigation, he has strong industry ties. In fact, he's a vaccine industry insider. Doctor. Offit holds a $1,500,000 research chair CHH funded by Merck. He holds the patent on an anti diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck, Rotatec, which has prevented thousands of hospitalizations in The U. S. And future royalties for the vaccine were just sold for $182,000,000 cash. Doctor Offit's share of vaccine profits unknown. There's nothing illegal about the possible conflicts of interest, but as one member of Congress put it, Money from the pharmaceutical industry can shape the practices of those who hold themselves out to be independent. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two and Doctor. Offit wouldn't agree to interviews, but all told us they're upfront about the money they receive and it doesn't sway their opinions. Today's immunization schedule now calls for kids to get 55 doses of vaccines by age six. Ideally, it makes for a healthier society. But critics worry that industry ties could impact the advice given to the public about all those vaccines.
Saved - May 27, 2025 at 2:41 PM

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In 2008, CBS actually aired a report by Sharyl Attkisson exposing how top vaccine advocates received substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies—raising serious concerns about conflicts of interest in vaccine safety claims. Can you imagine the MSM airing such a report today?

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The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and Dr. Paul Offit are trusted voices in vaccine safety, but CBS News found they have financial ties to the vaccine industry. The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education, and building costs. Wyeth gave $342,000 to the academy for a community grant, and Merck contributed $433,000 the same year the academy endorsed Merck’s HPV vaccine. Every Child by Two takes money from the vaccine industry, and its treasurers have included an official from Wyeth and a paid adviser to pharmaceutical clients. Dr. Offit holds a $1.5 million research chair at Children's Hospital funded by Merck and holds the patent on Rotatec, an anti-diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck. Royalties for the vaccine were sold for $182 million. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and Dr. Offit say they are upfront about the money they receive and that it doesn’t sway their opinions.
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Speaker 0: Years now parents have wondered if vaccines are linked to conditions like autism and ADD. Government officials and some scientists say there is no connection and they're often backed by independent experts. But just how independent are they? You may be surprised at what Cheryl Atkinson found when she set out to follow the money. Just waiting for it to come. Speaker 1: They're some of the most trusted voices in the defense of vaccine safety. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and pediatrician Doctor. Paul Offit. But CBS News has found these three have something more in common. Strong financial ties to the industry whose products they promote and defend. The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education classes, even help pay to build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret, but public documents reveal bits and pieces. Three and forty two thousand was given to the academy by Wyeth, maker of the pneumococcal vaccine for a community grant program. 433,000 was contributed to the academy by Merck, the same year the academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine. Another top donor, Sanofi Aventis, maker of 17 vaccines, and a new five and one combo shot just added to the childhood vaccine schedule last month. Every Child by two, a group that promotes early immunization for all children, admits the group takes money from the vaccine industry too, but wouldn't tell us how much. A spokesman told us there are simply no conflicts to be unearthed. But guess who has been listed as the group's treasurers, an official from Wyeth and a paid adviser to big pharmaceutical clients. Then there's doctor Paul Offit, perhaps the most widely quoted defender of vaccine safety. He's gone so far as to say babies can theoretically tolerate quote 10,000 vaccines at once. This is how Offit described himself in a previous interview. Speaker 2: I'm the chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a professor of pediatrics at Penns Medical School. Speaker 1: Doctor. Offit was not willing to be interviewed on this subject, but like others in our investigation, he has strong industry ties. In fact, he's a vaccine industry insider. Doctor. Offit holds a $1,500,000 research chair at Children's Hospital funded by Merck. He holds the patent on an anti diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck, Rotatec, which has prevented thousands of hospitalizations in The US. And future royalties for the vaccine were just sold for $182,000,000 cash. Doctor Offit's share of vaccine profits unknown. There's nothing illegal about the possible conflicts of interest. But as one member of Congress put it, money from the pharmaceutical industry can shape the practices of those who hold themselves out to be independent. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two and Doctor. Offit wouldn't agree to interviews, but all told us they're up front about the money they receive and it doesn't sway their opinions. Today's immunization schedule now calls for kids to get 55 doses of vaccines by age six. Ideally, it makes for a healthier society. But critics worry that industry ties could impact the advice given to the public about all those vaccines.
Saved - May 30, 2025 at 3:43 AM

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Robert F Kennedy Jr says heads of medical journals are coming forward to say it’s all Big Pharma propaganda now “We are no longer science journals. We are about promoting pharmaceutical products and that's what we do” This is the state of global healthcare. It’s ALL for profit https://t.co/c5YYSh045Q

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The speaker asserts that publications like The Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, and JAMA are corrupt and will no longer be used by NIH scientists. They claim these journals have become vessels for pharmaceutical propaganda, alleging that pharmaceutical companies control the journals and that publishing requires a $10,000 payment. The speaker references past heads of these journals, who they claim have admitted the journals prioritize promoting pharmaceutical products over scientific integrity. As a result, the speaker states they will stop NIH scientists from publishing in these journals. Instead, they plan to create new journals within each institute that will become preeminent.
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Speaker 0: We're probably gonna stop publishing in the in Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA, and those other journals because they're all corrupt. Mhmm. And even the heads of those journals, like Marsh Angle, who for twenty years was the head of the New England Journal of Medicine, says that this that we no longer are a science journal. We are a vessel for pharmaceutical propaganda. No kidding. Because they control the journals. They buy the preprints. Right? Which is and they they find that you if you wanna publish in a journal, you have to pay $10,000 to get the study published. And so what we're gonna do is change the system and say, can't you know, Richard Horton was the head of of the Lancet Mhmm. Who really disgraced himself during COVID with the, you know, The Lancet letter and all this. I remember. But but he says the same thing. He says, yeah. We're not we are no longer science journals. We are about promoting pharmaceutical products, and that's what we do. So unless these journals change dramatically, we are gonna stop NIH scientists from publishing there, and we're gonna create our own journals in health in each of the institutes. And they will become the preeminent journals. And they're gonna become the preeminent journals.
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During COVID, I felt like the curtain was pulled back, revealing the actions of figures like Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, and Klaus Schwab. It became clear that a long-standing narrative has aimed to undermine alternative health practitioners since at least 1910. Pharmaceutical companies have influenced medical education and government boards, prioritizing profit over patient care. This system seems designed to protect its own interests, often at the expense of vulnerable individuals, showing that the focus is on making money rather than genuine health concerns.

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Dr. Josh Axe: "How many of you were sitting there during COVID and you could see it's like we pulled back the curtain and we saw what was going on. You saw what doctor Fauci was doing. You saw what Bill Gates was doing. You saw what people at the World Health Organization was doing, Klaus Schwab. And you were sitting there and you saw, why isn't everybody seeing this?" "That narrative during COVID, that same narrative has been going on since 1910 at the very least. Okay? We're talking about over a hundred years. The same narrative has been trying to put chiropractors out of business, naturopaths out of business, nutritionists out of business, functional medicine doctors discredit them. It's we're talking about what happens is you have these pharmaceutical companies, and they pay doctors things like kickbacks." "And they they created the schools to educate the actual doctors or at least, you know, put all the money into them. And and so you've got this sort of these doctors that are that are educated by the pharmaceutical industry, and then oftentimes then they go and sit on government boards." "And so everybody's sort of in the same sort of family of trying to protect each other and take advantage of people that are vulnerable, the sick. So as you can see, the pharmaceutical companies, which then educate the doctors, they don't care about you. They only care about make money." "In fact, if they killed millions of people, which they have, they don't care because they made money."

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During COVID, some people saw the actions of figures like Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, the WHO, and Klaus Schwab, and wondered why more people didn't notice. This narrative has been ongoing since at least 1910, aiming to discredit chiropractors, naturopaths, nutritionists, and functional medicine doctors. Pharmaceutical companies pay doctors kickbacks and fund the schools that educate them. These doctors often sit on government boards, creating a system that protects its members and exploits vulnerable, sick individuals. Pharmaceutical companies, which educate doctors, prioritize profit over people's well-being, and are unconcerned about the millions of deaths they may have caused as long as they profit.
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Speaker 0: And how many of you were sitting there during COVID and you could see it's like we pulled back the curtain and we saw what was going on. You saw what doctor Fauci was doing. You saw what Bill Gates was doing. You saw what people at the World Health Organization was doing, Klaus Schwab, and you were sitting there and you saw, why isn't everybody seeing this? That narrative during COVID, that same narrative has been going on since 1910 at the very least. Okay? We're talking about over a hundred years. The same narrative has been trying to put chiropractors out of business, naturopaths out of business, nutritionists out of business, functional medicine doctors discredit them. It's we're talking about what happens is you have these pharmaceutical companies, and they pay doctors things like kickbacks. And they they created the schools to educate the actual doctors or at least, you know, put all the money into them. And and so you've got this sort of these doctors that are that are educated by the pharmaceutical industry, and oftentimes then they go and sit on government boards. And so everybody's sort of in the same sort of family of trying to protect each other and take advantage of people that are vulnerable, the sick. So as you can see, the pharmaceutical companies which then educate the doctors, they don't care about you. They only care about making money. In fact, if they killed millions of people, which they have, they don't care because they made money.

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In a recent discussion with Tucker Carlson, RFK Jr. addressed critical issues surrounding vaccines, autism, and the pharmaceutical industry. He highlighted concerns about the CDC's failure to conduct necessary studies on vaccine injuries and the manipulation of data. He criticized the profit-driven motives of healthcare providers and the media's ties to pharmaceutical advertising. RFK Jr. also shared insights about his views on political figures, including Pam Bondi and President Trump, revealing unexpected emotional connections Trump has with music.

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RFK Jr went on Tucker Carlson and talked about everything: -Pharma holding our health hostage -What he really thinks of Pam Bondi -To what makes President Trump cry. You won’t want to miss this 🧵 https://t.co/p8XDbSZpne

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Tucker went right for it and asked Secretary Kennedy about studying vaccines and autism. “The Institute of Medicine…had said in 2001 that the link between autism and vaccines is biologically plausible.” The Institute of Medicine then recommended several thorough studies. “CDC never did those.”

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The speaker states that previous CDC studies on autism were epidemiological and designed to avoid finding a link. They claim the Institute of Medicine criticized the CDC's vaccine schedule decision-making, alleging the ASIP panel was captured by industry due to financial entanglements. The speaker says the Institute of Medicine recommended various studies, including animal models, which the CDC allegedly ignored, opting instead for manipulated epidemiological studies. They claim these studies didn't compare fully vaccinated to unvaccinated groups. According to the speaker, a 1999 CDC study led by Thomas Verstraten found an 1135% elevated autism risk in vaccinated children. They allege the CDC concealed and manipulated this study to bury the link by removing older children from the data and using other statistical tricks. The speaker asserts that over 100 external studies indicate a link between vaccines and autism.
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Speaker 0: One of the first things you did to Secretary, I think, tell me if I'm misstating it, is commissioned a kind of study of autism. Can you tell us what that is? What are you seeking to do with that? Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, the studies, there are a handful of studies that CDC has generated on autism. They were all epidemiological studies, and they all say what the CDC wanted them to say is they couldn't find a link. The problem is that the Institute of Medicine, which is part of the National Academy of Sciences, had said in 2001 that the link between autism vaccine is biologically plausible. And they they were highly critical of the way that CDC was making decisions about the vaccine schedule, that it was, you know, the the this group ASIP, which is an external panel, which has the responsibility of deciding which new vaccines will be added to the schedule, that they had essentially been captured by industry. The people who serve on that panel, almost all of them, have financial entanglements with the industry. And the Institute of Medicine recommended a litany, a retinue of studies, including animal models, observational studies, bench studies, and epidemiological studies. They said, You need this whole rant node to answer this question. The CDC never did those. Instead, it commissioned the creation of these six epidemiological studies, and none of them does what? All of them are they use fraudulent techniques. You know, they say statistics don't lie, but statisticians do, and epidemiological studies are very easy to manipulate. None of those studies did what you would do if you wanted to find the answer, which is to compare outcomes in a fully vaccinated group to health outcomes in an unvaccinated group. And CDC did that study in 1999. They brought in a team of scientists under a Belgian researcher named Thomas Verstraten, and they looked at the data, they looked at children who had received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life, and compared those children to children who had received the vaccine later or not at all. And they found an eleven hundred and thirty five percent elevated risk of autism among the vaccinated children. And it shocked them. They kept the study secret, and they manipulated it through five different iterations to try to bury the link. And, you know, we know how they did it. They got rid of all the older children essentially, and just had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed. And they stratified the data, and they did a lot of other tricks. And all of those uddis were the subject of those kind of that kind of trickery. And so what we're gonna do now and meanwhile, the external literature is showing, you know, over a 100 studies that show that there indicate that there is a link.

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Instead, CDC manipulated a study to remove older kids. Here is the problem with that: The average age of diagnosis is five. By removing that age group, there is no way of know if vaccines cause autism or not. https://t.co/JGIZ2ERdG6

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The speaker claims that the CDC commissioned six epidemiological studies using fraudulent techniques, instead of comparing health outcomes between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. According to the speaker, a 1999 CDC study led by Thomas Verstraten compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within their first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. This study allegedly found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism among vaccinated children. The speaker states that the CDC kept the study secret and manipulated it to bury the link by removing older children and stratifying the data. The speaker asserts that over 100 external studies indicate a link between vaccines and autism.
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Speaker 0: Instead, it commissioned the creation of these six epidemiological studies, and none of them does what all of them are they use fraudulent techniques. You know, they say statistics don't lie, but statisticians do. And epidemiological studies are very easy to manipulate. None of those studies did what you would do if you wanted to find the answer, which is to compare outcomes in a fully vaccinated group to health outcomes in an unvaccinated group. And CDC did that study in 1999. They brought in a team of scientists under a Belgian researcher named Thomas Verstraten, and they looked at the data. They looked at children who had received the hepatitis vaccine within their first thirty days of life, and compare those children to children who had received the vaccine later or not at all. And they found an eleven, one hundred and thirty five percent elevated risk of autism among the vaccinated children. And it shocked them. They kept the study secret, and they manipulated it through five different iterations to try to bury the link. And, you know, we know how they did it. They got rid of all the older children, essentially, and just had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed. And they stratified the stratified the data, and they did a lot of other tricks. And all of those studies were the subject of those kind of that kind of trickery. And so what we're gonna do now and meanwhile, the external literature is showing, you know, over a 100 studies that show that there indicate that there is a link.

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Did you know most doctors will fire you as a patient if you want to delay certain vaccines? This is why 👇 “If their clients are fully vaccinated they get a huge bonus. It can be 10s of thousands of dollars.” Only complete compliance is profitable. https://t.co/E59LOTIK4B

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According to the speaker, 50% of pediatricians' revenue comes from vaccines, with insurance companies like Blue Cross offering bonuses for high vaccination rates, potentially influencing doctors' recommendations. The speaker claims that pediatricians may dismiss families who want alternative vaccine schedules to protect these bonuses. The speaker alleges that 80% of doctors now work for corporations focused on revenue over patient care, creating pressure to generate funds due to medical school debt. The speaker suggests the entire system is incentivized to keep people sick, not necessarily deliberately, but through financial incentives. Insurance companies allegedly profit more from a sick population because they collect money as friction, taking a cut of revenues. The speaker claims that doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies also benefit financially from people being sick, creating systemic pressure regardless of individual intentions.
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Speaker 0: There's a published article out there now that says that 50% of revenues to most pediatricians come from vaccines. And then there's a whole structure where Blue Cross and the other insurance companies pay bonuses to the pediatrician to make sure if, for example, ninety five percent of their if their clients are fully vaccinated, they get a huge bonus. It can be tens of thousands of dollars. And that's why your pediatrician, if you say, I want to go slow on the vaccines, or I want to have a little different schedule, your pediatrician will throw you out of his practice, because you're now jeopardizing that bonus structure. And these are all perverse incentives that stop doctors from actually practicing medicine and caring for the client because they're looking at the bottom line. Twenty years ago, 20% of the doctors in this country worked for corporations. Today, 80% do. And that corporation is telling you, you know, we don't care what happens to your patient. We care about how much revenue you're generating. And, you know, these doctors are coming out of medical schools with ginormous bills, and that will bankrupt them if they don't have a job. And so they're under tremendous pressure just to to keep generating those funds, and the whole system, as you know, is is just a bundle of perverse incentives that, you know, that where everybody is making money by keeping us sick. You know? And I'm not saying that's deliberate or purposeful or or, you know, planned in any way. It's just the incentive system that everybody makes money. Insurance companies make money if you're sick. Ironically, they make more money if the population is sick. And, you know, that may seem counterintuitive to people. And a guy said to me once who worked for AIG, one of the big insurance companies, he said I said I said, I wanna go with some data to AIG and show them that, you know, what they're doing is actually I can show them on paper what they're doing is actually making their people sicker. And and they're the one group that you would think would want healthy people because they'd have to pay out less. And this guy said to me, think of it this way. If you're Lloyds of London and you insure all the shipping in the world, is it better for you if one ship sinks a year or if 500 sink a year? And I would say I I said to him, it's it's better if only one sinks. He said, no. It's better if 500 sink because then everybody has to get insurance. And what the insurance companies are collecting money, money is friction. They're taking a cut of the revenues that come through them. The more people that buy insurance, it doesn't matter what the claims are. If the claims are high, they just raise their premiums. And it's the amount of money that flows in the system that gives them money. So they're making money that way. The doctors are making money from keeping us sick. The hospitals are making money from keeping us sick. The pharmaceutical companies are making money from keeping us sick. So every level of the system is incentivized financially, no matter what your intention is. If you're a doctor, of course you don't want sick patients. There's tremendous pressure from every angle of the system to you know, to keep us all sick.

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Pharma isn’t just holding our doctors hostage, they are holding the media hostage too. This is how they do it: We are only one of two countries in the WORLD who allow pharmaceutical advertisements on TV. “On a typical evening news show, there are 22 ads and 17 of those are pharmaceutical ads.” Do you think the media will be critical of big pharma when they are paying their bills?

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In 1999, claims of a connection between autism and vaccines were met with media backlash. It's alleged that pharmaceutical companies, a major revenue source for media companies, buy protection. The U.S. is purportedly one of two countries allowing this. A Supreme Court case gave pharmaceutical advertising First Amendment protection, treating it as political speech. Direct-to-consumer advertising exploded after changes in the 90s. Roger Ailes, despite political differences, allowed the speaker to discuss the environment on Fox News. However, Ailes refused to air a documentary about mercury in vaccines, fearing repercussions from Rupert Murdoch. Pharma ads allegedly constitute 75% of evening news revenue, with 17 out of 22 ads being pharmaceutical. This revenue is purportedly keeping many television networks afloat amidst financial struggles.
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Speaker 0: There hasn't been much of a discussion. You said there were signals in 1999 that there was a connection between autism and vaccines. The response from the American media was just to throw you out, take away your New York Times presence, ban you from Rolling Stone, etcetera, attack you as a Nazi. You made the point years later that the reason that happened was because pharmaceutical companies are the single biggest source of revenue for a lot of media companies, and they're buying the protection with that money. Speaker 1: And that's another perverse incentive, right? Speaker 0: Absolutely. I think we're one of only two countries in the world that allow that. Can that be stopped? Speaker 1: That's a question that we are looking at right now, you know, and there's a bad Supreme Court case from a couple of years ago that gave that essentially anointed pharmaceutical advertising with First Amendment protection. The First Amendment protects political speech. So if you have if you're saying something, you know, political, you should have absolute protection under the First Amendment. If commercial speech has a lower level of protection and the pharmaceutical advertising was regulated as commercial speech, and it was until 1990 really around 1992, it was you didn't see pharmaceutical ad there was no direct to consumer advertising on TV. And after that, and then there were new more changes made in 1997, that's when it became you know, it exploded. And today, Roger Ailes, who both you and I knew you know, I had this very Roger Ailes, for your audience who doesn't know him, which I think most of them do, was the founder of Fox News. And I had this odd relationship with him because politically we were at loggerheads, but I had spent when I was 19 years old, I spent three months with him in a tent in Africa. And I and we developed a friendship then. And as you know, he was very, you know, he was a very engaging guy. He was very witty, really fun to be with, very paranoid, but at the same time brilliant. Yes. And he and so he was very kind to me. He was a very loyal friend to me, and he would make Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and Neil Cavuto and all the other hosts, who your former colleagues, wouldn't be on TV to talk about the environment. Even though he didn't agree with me on it, he made them put me on. So during the eighties and nineties, I I was the only environmentalist who was going on Fox News. But I brought him one time this I think it was like 2014, I brought him a a documentary that we had done about mercury and vaccines, and he had he watched it. He was completely sold on it. He had a family member who had been affected, he felt. And he said, but I can't put you on because if I did, I if any of my hosts allowed you on to talk about this issue, I would have to fire them. And if I didn't, I would get a call from Ruper within ten minutes. And he said, for the evening news division, about 75% of the advertising revenues are coming from pharma. And then he told me something that, if I remember it correctly, he said that on a typical evening news show, there are 22 ads, and 17 of those are pharmaceutical ads. And so this was the principal source of revenue, and for a lot of these television networks, it's keeping them alive. As you know, they're all kind of collapsing financially. Speaker 0: Collapsing due to lack of popular demand for their presence.

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🚨 What RFK Jr says next is insane! “The pharmaceutical advertisers are advertising the most expensive version of every drug…it’s Medicaid and Medicare that are paying for it. It’s us, it’s the tax payer.” “AND we are paying for the ads because they’re tax deductible.” https://t.co/ALVZ1QnQ7s

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Pharmaceutical advertising on TV targets consumers with the most expensive drugs, not generics, which have the highest profit margins for the companies. Unlike typical ads where consumers pay directly, pharmaceutical drugs are often paid for by Medicaid, Medicare, and taxpayers. Taxpayers also fund the ads themselves through tax deductions. These ads may lead people to request ineffective drugs from doctors who, under time constraints from corporate management, may find it easier to prescribe the requested drug rather than argue against it. The American Medical Association has opposed this practice for 30 years. This system distorts the market and cannot be considered a free market because the federal government subsidizes it.
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Speaker 0: From England or Europe and watch our TV are shocked by what they're seeing on it. And it it's insidious because of this. The pharmaceutical advertisers are advertising the most expensive version of every drug. They're not going to advertise the generics because they're not making any So they're advertising the ones that are the highest profit margins for them. Normally, if you see an advertisement on TV, like for Coca Cola, you then have a choice to go get that, and you're paying out of your pocket for it. When somebody buys a pharmaceutical drug, it's it's Medicaid and Medicare that are paying for it. It's us. It's the taxpayer. So they're advertising something to the consumer when the consumer has no skin in the game. And then the consumer and we're paying for the ads because they're tax deductible. So they're we're paying for them to advertise, the advertisements are getting people to buy drugs that may be ineffective, that may be the least effective drug of the ones that are available. And they go to their physician. The physician is told by his boss, who's the, you know, the corporate bean counter, you have 11 with each patient, and that's it. And the physician then can spend that eleven minutes trying to talk the patient out of something that they want, and then the patient's going to go away unsatisfied. Or the physician could just say, All right, you want this prescription? I'll write it for you. And then, you know, the patient is then going to come back because he's happy. The doctors hate it. The American Medical Association has been against it for, you know, for thirty years. And nobody thinks that this is good for public health. It is hurting us, and it's distorting the markets, and it is not it's not a can't even call it a a free market because everything's paid for by the federal government.

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“158 injuries are suspected to be vaccine injuries, only 38 of those have been studied. Most of those, it was positive. “The others have never been studied. CDC’s job is to study them, and yet they never studied them AND THAT WAS PURPOSEFUL. I’m not saying that out of speculation, I’m saying that because I’VE SEEN THE EMAILS.” To make matters worse, publishers will not publish a study that is critical of vaccines…

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If analysis of public data sets reveals a connection between government-promoted vaccines and autism, it would constitute a tort, potentially impacting many injured individuals. However, the 1986 National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program grants vaccine companies immunity from liability, regardless of recklessness or product toxicity. While childhood vaccination schedules have expanded from three vaccines to potentially 69-92 doses between conception and age 18, this increase may contribute to an epidemic of immune dysregulation and various diseases like diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, seizure disorders, ADD/ADHD, speech/language delays, tics, Tourette's, narcolepsy, autism, peanut allergies, anaphylaxis, and eczema. These injuries are listed as potential side effects on vaccine inserts, yet the CDC has allegedly failed to adequately study suspected vaccine injuries, despite recommendations from the Institute of Medicine. It's claimed that the CDC has deliberately derailed such studies, and scientific publishers often reject studies critical of vaccines. There is a need to remove the taboo around discussing this issue and conduct honest research.
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Speaker 0: So if, starting in September, when we start to see the results of the analysis of these massive data sets that you're putting out there in public, and if it becomes clear that there is a connection between autism and vaccines, vaccines the government promoted, in some cases effectively required, that's a tort. I mean, that means there are a lot of injured people who can now show they were injured by this product. How were they made whole? What happens to them? Speaker 1: Well, that's going to be complicated because in 1986, Congress passed an act, the Vaccine Act, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, and they gave the vaccine companies immunity from liability. So no matter how reckless the company is, no matter how toxic the product, no matter how egregious your injury, you cannot sue them. And that's one of the problems. And that actually is why we one of the reasons we had this explosion of the vaccination program. When, you know, when I was a kid, we only had three vaccines, and by 1986, the year the act was passed, there were 11 doses of, I think, five vaccines. And today, there are a child to to go to school in states like California and New York and many other states where you have mandates, the child an American child now has to receive between sixty nine and ninety two vaccines between conception, so some of those are given to the mom during pregnancy, and age 18. And the reason it's 69 to 82 is some of the vaccines have are are the different brands have different dose requirements. So some will require three doses. Some will require one dose. Some will require four doses. But that's a lot of vaccines for a kid, and each one of those is calculate is is designed to permanently alter your immune system. And so we have now this epidemic of immune dysregulation in our country, you know, and there's no way to rule out vaccines as one of the key culprits. And if you look at all of these diseases that have become epidemic, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, all of these seizure disorders, the neurologic disorders like ADD, ADHD, speech delayed, language delayed, tics, Tourette syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism, all the diseases. UNN, I never saw when we were kids. And suddenly, they're this generation is damaged, and it's incredibly damaged by all these disease. The autoimmune diseases like diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, the allergic disease like peanut allergies, anaphylaxis, eczema. I know did you ever know anybody with eczema? No. Right. So and now it's ubiquitous in every classroom. And all of those injuries are listed as side effects on the manufacturer's inserts of those products. Oh, we would be have to be blind and not say we have to look at this as a potential culprit. We have to do the studies that the Institute of Medicine has been telling the CDC to do for twenty five years. The Institute of Medicine told CDC in 2013, there are one hundred and fifty one one hundred and fifty eight injuries that are suspected to be vaccine injuries. Only thirty eight of those have been studied, and almost most of those, it was positive. It was, yeah, this is a vaccine injury. The other hundred and twenty, whatever, and I'm not doing the math in my head, but the others have never been studied. CDC's job is to study them, and yet it never studied them. And that was purposeful. And I'm not saying that out of speculation. I'm saying that because I've seen the emails. And CDC deliberately derailed any study on that. And if somebody does, independent scientist does do a study, they can't get published. The scientific publishers will not publish a study that is critical of vaccines. So we need to change that taboo, and that's one of the things Jay Bhattacharya is doing at NIH, is we're gonna remove the taboo about talking about this issue, and we're gonna be honest with the Speaker 0: American

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“The Institute of Medicine…said that ‘the only system that CDC has to study vaccine injury is so bad that any study done on it, we’re not gonna count.’” It’s unreliable because it’s self reporting, takes doctors a lot of time to fill out, and it’s hard to tell what side effect came from what medical intervention.

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The Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences, stated that the CDC's system for studying vaccine injury is so poor that any studies done with it are invalid. Former Surgeon General David Kessler and others have also criticized the VAERS system and called for a new one. The VAERS system is voluntary, requiring doctors to report vaccine injuries, but there is no penalty for not reporting. Doctors may not recognize vaccine injuries, especially if they occur months or years later, and there is no vaccine injury education in medical school. Doctors also have an emotional incentive not to report, as they may be reluctant to admit a vaccine they recommended caused harm.
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Speaker 0: Is too unreliable. So they what they were saying, the Institute Medicine, which is part of the National Academy of Sciences, said that the only system that CDC has to study vaccine injury is so bad that any study done done on it, not gonna count. I'll tell you something else. David Kessler, who was a very famous surgeon general, who you remember, and many, many, many other people have said that VAERS system does not work, and you need a new system. So in 2010, CDC designed a new system, and it was a machine counting system. The problem with VAERS, with the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, is that it's voluntary. Yes. And so the doctor has to if he sees a vaccine injury, he's required to report it to VAERS. But there's no penalty if he doesn't. It takes him a half an hour to fill out the paperwork. So there's a big incentive for him not to do it. There's another incentive, though. He doesn't know if something is a vaccine injury. If you get you get a vaccine and then four months four years later, you come in with a food allergy, how do you know? Will any doctor in the world say that's a vaccine injury or seizure disorder? And the other thing is so they don't know, you know, what to look for. They've never been taught that at medical school. There's no course on vaccine injury in medical school, in any medical school in this country. And then the other thing is he has a big emotional incentive because he told that mom to give that child that vaccine. And if the child has a seizure three weeks later and she comes back and and she says, I think it might be the vaccine. A lot of doctors will say, no. That's normal for that age, and they're not gonna call it into theirs.

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So CDC created a new system in 2010 for millions of dollars to track vaccine injuries reliably. “Vaers was capturing fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries.” “They had a system now that would capture over 95%.” “The data showed injuries in about 2.7% of vaccines… CDC saw that and said ‘we’re not going to use this system.’ And they shelved it in 2010 and they’ve continued to use Vaers.”

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The CDC funded a machine counting system, designed by a team led by Lazarus, to analyze vaccine injuries through cluster analysis. This system was tested at Harvard Pilgrim HMO, comparing its findings to VAERS data. The study found VAERS captured less than 1% of vaccine injuries, while the new system captured over 95%. The data revealed injuries in approximately 2.7% of all vaccines, which is about one out of every 37 vaccines. Despite the system's accuracy, the CDC shelved it in 2010 and has continued using VAERS for 22 years, despite knowing it doesn't work.
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Speaker 0: So CDC designed a machine counting system that would do essentially a cluster analysis. They would look at the vaccine, and then they would look at clusters of injuries that were unique or anomalous to that vaccine. And it was a very accurate system according to the, you know, the group that designed it. It was a team led by a guy called Lazarus. And CDC paid for the whole thing, millions of dollars, and it was a long term study. And they looked at one HMO, which was Harvard Pilgrim up in Massachusetts, and they did did this this machine counting system for Harvard Pilgrim. And then they compared what the machine counting system had gotten, you know, had yielded and collected in terms of vaccine entries, and they compared that to what VAERS had collected during the same period at Harvard Pilgrim. And they said that VAERS was capturing fewer than one percent of vaccine injuries. And they had a system now that would capture over ninety five percent, and they were very proud, and they brought it to CDC and said, our system works. Here's the data. The data showed injuries in about two point seven percent of vaccines. Of all vaccines? Yeah, all vaccines. About two point seven percent. Wow. Which I think is something like one out of every thirty seven vaccines you get, there's an injury. CDC saw that and said, we're not going to use the system. And they shelved it in 2010, and they've continued to use VAERS now for, you know, twenty two years when they know that it doesn't work, when Can you

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Now here is the good news: “We’re going to create…a system that actually works.” Even the 2010 system is outdated now though. AI is going to look at all the data the department has to see how each drug works on the population. https://t.co/TWCAG59smR

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HHS is initiating an AI revolution, attracting experts from Silicon Valley to improve government systems. Changes include improving or supplementing the VAERS system using AI. The FDA is using AI to accelerate drug approvals, potentially eliminating the need for primate or animal models. CMS is implementing AI to detect waste, abuse, and fraud. The CDC and other departments will use AI to analyze mega data for better decision-making regarding interventions. AI can assess the effectiveness and side effects of drugs like diabetes medications, statins, and SSRIs across the population. This use of AI has the potential to revolutionize medicine.
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Speaker 0: We're going to absolutely change VAERS, and we're gonna make it we're we're going to create either in within VAERS or supplementary VAERS a system that actually works. Oh, and, you know, that right now, even that system is antiquated because we have access to AI. And one of the you know, we are creating here at HHS an AI revolution. We've been able to attract the top people from Silicon Valley, people who've walked away from billion dollar businesses, and they don't want prestige. They don't want position. They don't want power. They want to change. They want to make the system work. And we're going to We are at the cutting edge of AI. We're implementing it in all of our departments. At FDA, we're accelerating drug approvals so that you don't need to use primates or even animal models. You can, you know, you can do the drug approvals very, very quickly with AI. And we're also implementing a CMS to detect waste, abuse, and fraud, which is it's extraordinary at that. But we're also gonna, you know, use it on the at CDC and throughout our system to look at the mega data that we have and be able to make really good decisions about interventions. For example, if you look at the population as a whole and say, okay, we're using three different diabetes drugs or five different statin drugs, or all these SSRIs and others. You can then look drug by drug, and you can tell on the population whether it's working or not, and which one is giving you the best bang for the buck, and which one has the most side effects. We have a potential now to use AI in ways that are gonna revolutionize medicine.

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But when someone is injured by a vaccine, they can’t sue the manufacturer. They can only sue the government over the injury. “We just brought a guy in THIS WEEK who’s going to be revolutionizing the vaccine injury compensation program.” Kennedy wants to expand the statute of limitations and start taking care of families who have been injured instead of protecting pharma.

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The speaker states that many people have been injured by the COVID vaccine, some fatally or permanently disabled, and that these people are not receiving sufficient care or attention. The speaker says that the 1986 Vaccine Act is a major impediment to change. According to the speaker, Congress recognized that vaccines were "unavoidably unsafe" when it granted vaccine companies immunity, so it created a federal program with a trust fund to compensate those injured. The program is funded by a 75% surcharge on every vaccine. The speaker says the vaccine court is supposed to be generous and fast, but the speaker believes the lawyers defaulted to protecting the trust fund instead of taking care of people. The speaker says the program has paid out over $5 billion to about 12,000 people. The speaker says they are looking at ways to enlarge the program so that COVID vaccine-injured people can be compensated, including enlarging the statute of limitations.
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Speaker 0: What about all the people who are injured by the COVID vaxx? There are a lot of them. I know a lot of them. Some died. Some were permanently disabled. Nobody seems to care. You never hear about them, and they don't seem to be getting any help. Will that change? Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to change. I mean, as I said, the big impediment is the 1986 Vaccine Act. Yes. And so it's complicated about how we fix this, you know, so that we can get compensation to those people. We just brought a guy in this week who's going to be revolutionizing the vaccine injury compensation program, which is a program you know, when Congress passed the Vaccine Act and gave immunity from liability to vaccine companies, it it recognized that vaccines were, in the word of the in in the description, the characterization of the American Academy of Pediatrics were unavoidably unsafe. And some people, like for every medicine, some people are going to be injured and killed. And so it set up a program that's in the federal government called the vaccine courts, and they have a trust fund. The trust fund is endowed by a 75% surcharge on every vaccine. And that program is supposed to there's supposed to be a vaccine court that's supposed to be generous and fast and and give the tie to the runner. In other words, if there's doubts about, you know, whether somebody's injury came from vaccine or not, you're going to assume they got it and compensate them. And it's paid out over $5,000,000,000 now to about 12,000 people. And we're looking at ways to enlarge that program so that COVID vaccine injured people can be compensated. And we're changing the program so that, you know, we're we're looking at ways to enlarge the statute of limitations. Only three years. A lot of people don't discover their injuries after that. And the there's no discovery in that program. There's no rules of evidence. The program has default into lawyers from the justice. You're not suing the vaccine company. You're you're petitioning the my agency, and it's represented traditionally by Department of Justice. And the lawyers in the Department of Justice, the leaders of it were corrupt, and they were they saw their job as protecting the trust fund rather than taking care of people who made this national sacrifice.

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And never forget what the Biden administration did. They ordered social media companies to take down anyone or any post discussing vaccine injury. Thats not a theory, it’s reality. Lawsuits and investigations prove it. https://t.co/sQB54nWcaz

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Mark Zuckerberg stated he was ordered by the White House to suppress mentions of vaccine injuries on Facebook and Instagram. He expressed being stunned by this order from the federal government to deny facts. According to the speaker, they sued the Biden administration and obtained documents showing that 37 hours after taking office, a White House group was formed to suppress dissent regarding government policy. The speaker claims they were the first target, with Facebook being told to remove them from Instagram, which Facebook did. The speaker asserts they had almost a million followers and posted no vaccine misinformation, challenging Facebook to identify any factual errors in their posts, which were cited and sourced to government databases or peer-reviewed publications.
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Speaker 0: Mark Zuckerberg publicly said that he was ordered by the White House to suppress anybody on his platform, on Facebook or Instagram, who mentioned vaccine injuries. Oh, he was ordered by the Biden administration to and he said, you know, I he said, I was stunned. I was being ordered by the federal government to deny facts. Anybody can look him up on YouTube saying that. So and we know that too because I sued the Biden administration, and we got all this discovery documents that showed that he was thirty seven hours after he took the oath of office, swearing to uphold the constitution, he opened up a group in the White House who were whose job it was to suppress any dissent about, you know, this government policy. And I was the first person that they went after. Thirty seven hours after he took that oath, they were telling Facebook to take me off of Instagram, which Facebook did. I had almost a million followers, and there was no vaccine misinformation on there. I asked Facebook again and again, show me one fact I got wrong. Everything I put on there that, you know, was vaccine related was cited and sourced to government databases or to peer reviewed publications.

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In case you didn’t think pharma was corrupt yet… Paul Offit was on the board that creates the vaccine schedule. While he was developing a rotavirus vaccine, he voted to put rotavirus vaccine on the childhood schedule… “He and his business partners…sold that vaccine to Merck for 186 million dollars. He told Newsweek that he won the lottery.”

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A rotavirus vaccine was approved by a board with five members, four of whom had financial interests in rotavirus vaccines through employment or grants. One member, Paul Offit, voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while developing his own. The approved vaccine was withdrawn within a year due to causing intussusception, a potentially lethal disease. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. Offit remained on the committee but didn't vote on the replacement. He and his business partners sold their vaccine to Merck for $186 million. Offit told Newsweek he "won the lottery."
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Speaker 0: The rotavirus vaccine, was approved by that board, and there were five members of that board at that time, and four of them had direct financial interests in the rotavirus vaccine. They were working for the companies that made the vaccine or they were receiving grants to do clinical trials on that vaccine. They all had overwhelming financial interest. One of the people on that board was a guy called Paul Offit, and who is one of the big voices for vaccines that they CNN goes to him all the time when it wants to have vaccines. He voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule when he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. Because it's now on the schedule, he is developing vaccine. It's virtually guaranteed to get on the schedule. It's a competitive product. But once you say rotavirus vaccine has to be vaccinated for, his vaccine is now guaranteed to get on the schedule. The one they voted on that he voted on, within a year it had to be withdrawn because it was causing this really disastrous disease in kids that is often lethal, called intussusception, agonizingly painful when your intestines kind of tie up against each other, and it kills children, you know, on on occasion. That vaccine was pulled the following year, and his vaccine then replaced it. He was still on the committee. He didn't vote on that, but he was still on the committee. But he voted to make rotavirus vaccine mandatory for the And he he he then he and his business partners, Stanley Plotkin and, you know, a couple of other people sold that vaccine and to Merck for a $186,000,000. He told Newsweek that he won the lottery.

@AnnaRMatson - Anna Matson

The vaccine advisory board NEVER turned down a vaccine. “A lot of these vaccines are for diseases that are not even casually contagious.” “You know they recommended the hepatitis b vaccine for babies when they’re an hour old- the first day of life.” “Every mother that goes to the hospital in this country tested for it, so we know which ones, you know, are vulnerable and which aren’t.” “The risk to a one day old baby was one in seven million.”

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ACE has never turned away a single vaccine, even for diseases that are not casually contagious. The hepatitis B vaccine is recommended for babies when they're an hour old, despite the fact that it's transmitted through sexual contact or shared needles. While maternal transmission is possible, every mother is tested, so we know who is vulnerable. The speaker claims the risk to a one-day-old baby is one in seven million, and that financial incentives are a factor. Many of the targeted diseases' vaccines don't prevent transmission, making mandates questionable. Vaccines can cause chronic injuries that last a lifetime.
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Speaker 0: And this and ACE have never turned away a single vaccine. Everyone that was that came to them, they, you know, recommended. And a lot of these vaccines are for diseases that are not even casually contagious. You know? How you you know, I mean, you know, they recommended the hepatitis b vaccine for for babies when they're an hour old. The first day of life, they get that. And, you know, hepatitis B, if your mother's got it, you you should get it. And you can, you know, you can pass through maternal transmission. But every mother that goes to the hospital in this country is tested for it, so we know which ones, you know, are vulnerable and which aren't. Oh, but the mass vaccination of the entire population, including wild children, this is a disease. You get through sexual transmission or you get it from sharing needles, and particularly it was prevalent among promiscuous gay men. But a one day old baby has risk to a one day old baby was one in seven million. Very few of whom are promiscuous. Very few of whom are, you know, uninvolved in prostitution or drug addiction. So, you know, but it was a financial they were all financial drivers. So and a lot of the diseases that they target are not disease the vaccine itself does not prevent transmission. And so, you know, the justification for having it mandated is very ephemeral. And, you know, these are all things that we need to look at. We want to protect public health, but, you know, that means protecting against chronic disease too. And, you know, these vaccines have there's nobody who will contest that they cause that they can cause chronic disease, chronic injuries that last a lifetime.

@AnnaRMatson - Anna Matson

Now let’s shift gears. Tucker asked Kennedy who he likes in the President’s cabinet and I was not ready for his first choice. “I really get along with Pam Bondi.” “Marco Rubio is the funniest guy in the cabinet.” “I was never very, let’s say, approving of Marco because he was kind of a neocon warhawk. But now he has had this incredible transformation.”

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The speaker expresses friendship with people they never expected, including Pam Bondi, Marco Rubio, Scott Turner, Sean, and Linda McMahon. Marco Rubio is described as the "funniest guy in the cabinet" who makes people laugh at every meeting. The speaker admits to previously disapproving of Rubio as a "neocon war hawk" but notes his "incredible transformation." The speaker believes Rubio is now aligned with them on most issues, particularly regarding Ukraine and the idea that the U.S. should no longer be the "policeman of the world."
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Speaker 0: I'm I'm friends with a number of the people I never thought I'd be friends with, but they're you know? Who do you like? I mean, I really I really get along with Pam Bondi, and and, you know, Cheryl loves Pam and and her husband, John. And then I really and Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio is the funniest guy in the cabinet. He he says things that make people belly laugh at every cabinet meeting, and he's you know, I I I always I never was very, let's say, approving of of Marco because he was kind of a neocon war hawk, but now he's had this incredible transformation. And, you know, I think he, you know, yeah, I I think he very aligned with me on most issues on Ukraine, you know, and just the fact that we should not be the policeman of the world anymore, that we've gotta that, you know, we've gotta withdraw from that from that role. But I get I really I you know, Scott Turner is my friend, Sean, you know, and, all all of them. I get it. Lynn Linda McMahon.

@AnnaRMatson - Anna Matson

President Trump’s cabinet is made up of people who are very well spoken- and that’s by design. “One of the things President Trump did when he picked the cabinet, and I was on the transition team so I watched what he was doing, for every one of the positions that he picked, he wanted to see three clips of them performing on TV.”

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President Trump knows how to pick talent, evidenced by the erudite and fluid speakers in his cabinet. When selecting cabinet members, Trump, according to the speaker who was on the transition team, reviewed three TV clips of each candidate. This was because he was conscious of how these individuals would sell his program to the public.
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Speaker 0: President Trump is that he really knows how to pick talent, and he, and I'm not talking about me. I'm but the other people on there when you sit in those cabinet meetings. And every one of those people is incredibly erudite and just fluid in the way that they speak and very, very comfortable in their one of the things that president Trump did when he picked the cabinet, and I was on the transition team, I watched what he was doing. For every of one of the positions that he picked, he wanted to see three clips of them performing on TV. And so, you know, he's very conscious of the way of of that these people are gonna be out selling his program to the public.

@AnnaRMatson - Anna Matson

I never expected to learn what makes President Trump cry… “He’s encyclopedic in certain areas that you wouldn’t expect like music.” “He gets very emotional about music…he cries when he hears Pavarotti.” https://t.co/3IVCS62weM

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Adam Pegg is immensely knowledgeable, especially about music and sports, and knows the stories behind everything. He cries when he hears Pavarotti and is an incredible storyteller about Wall Street. Despite being perceived as a narcissist, he is empathetic, always considering the human impact of events like the Ukraine war, vaccines, and healthcare. He focuses on how policies affect the "little guy," contrary to the perception that he aims to enrich billionaires. Pegg is seen as uniquely suited for the country right now, addressing issues like deficits and trade imbalances at great political cost. His actions are expected to benefit the country in the long term.
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Speaker 0: And immensely knowledgeable. He's encyclopedic in certain areas that you wouldn't expect like music, and, you know, he gets very emotional about music. And Yes. And and he has and he knows the whole story behind every song. Pavarotti and James Brown. Yeah. Yeah. He cries when he hears Pavarotti. He said I he said to me one night when we were at Martellaga with the Amaryllis, he said he said, Amaryllis, you understand this because she loves music too. And he said, but most of the people here, they don't understand it. They don't get it. And then in terms of sports, he is he just he's an encyclopedia. He knows everything. And then, you know, on Wall Street, he knows how everybody made their money and and the stories, and he's, you know, an incredible raconteur about telling all these stories. And then and also the most surprising thing is because I Adam Pegg is a narcissist. When narcissists are incapable of empathy, and he's one of the most empathetic people that I've met, You notice whenever he talks about the Ukraine war Yes. He always talks about the casualties on both sides. Every time he talks about it I have noticed that. And he does that in every theater. He talks about how human beings are affected by it, you know, whether it's vaccines or Medicaid or Medicare. He's always thinking about how this impacts the little guy. And, you know, the Democrats haven't pegged as a guy who's sort of sitting, you know, in the cabinet meeting talking about how can we make billionaires richer. He's the opposite of that. He's a genuine populace. And, you know, like all of us, we're we're all flawed characters in one way or another. But I think he's really a uniquely right person for this country right now because we were in a death spiral. And not only just, you know, morale, but also just, you know, the the deficits are you know, who could ever would you believe we'd ever have a present in our lifetime who would actually be addressing, you know, the cost of government in a dramatic way? No. And and the trade deficits, how could you ever cure that? It's too entrenched and so many people, you know, making money and but meanwhile, all us all going to hell in a handbasket. And, you know, so I think he's doing stuff at great political cost to him that is gonna benefit this country ten years from now and twenty years from now. And, you know, I'm really proud to be part

@AnnaRMatson - Anna Matson

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RFK Jr.'s interview with Tucker Carlson has gained significant attention, revealing a 1,135% increase in autism risk linked to vaccines, according to a buried CDC study. The CDC allegedly manipulated data and faced corruption within its vaccine advisory committees, where many members had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies. Additionally, the current injury reporting system captures less than 1% of vaccine-related injuries. RFK Jr. advocates for transparency by making CDC databases public, emphasizing the need for honest science over industry propaganda.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

RFK Jr.'s interview with Tucker Carlson is going viral. He exposed how the CDC found vaccines increased autism by 1,135% and their 25-year cover-up. 99% of people still don't know about any of this.. Here are 8 more shocking revelations every American should know about: 🧵 https://t.co/6yOP44Drtz

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

1/ The 1999 CDC Study They Buried The CDC commissioned researcher Thomas Verstraeten to study hepatitis B vaccines given in the first 30 days of life. Result: 1,135% higher autism risk in vaccinated children. CDC's response? Bury it and manipulate the data through 5 revisions. https://t.co/8pIHj042Ap

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Epidemiological studies are easily manipulated, and studies comparing health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups are lacking. The CDC conducted such a study in 1999 under Thomas Verstraten, examining children who received the hepatitis vaccine within their first thirty days of life compared to those vaccinated later or not at all. The study found a 1,135 percent elevated risk of autism among the vaccinated children. This result was shocking, so the study was kept secret and manipulated through five iterations to bury the link.
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Speaker 0: They use fraudulent techniques. You know, they say statistics don't lie, but statisticians do. And epidemiological studies are very easy to manipulate. None of those studies did what you would want what you would do if you wanted to find the answer, which is compare outcomes in a fully vaccinated group to health outcomes in an unvaccinated group. And CDC did that study in 1999. They brought in a team of scientists under a Belgian researcher named Thomas Verstraten, and they looked at the data. They looked at children who had received the hepatitis vaccine within their first thirty days of life, and compare those children to children who had received the vaccine later or not at all. And they found an eleven, one hundred and thirty five percent elevated risk of autism among the vaccinated children. And it shocked them. They kept the study secret, and they manipulated it through five different iterations to try to bury the link.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

2/ How They Manipulated the Data "They got rid of all the older children essentially and just had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed with autism." Classic move: Change the study population until you get the result you want. https://t.co/eBSxZhO9DC

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They got rid of all the older children and had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed. They stratified the data and did a lot of other tricks. All of those studies were the subject of that kind of trickery. Meanwhile, the external literature is showing over a 100 studies that indicate that there is a link. They are going to do all the kind of studies that the Institute of Medicine originally recommended. They're going to do observational studies, retrospective studies, and epidemiological studies. They're going to do real science and make the databases public for the first time.
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Speaker 0: And, you know, we know how they did it. They got rid of all the older children essentially, and just had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed. And they stratified the stratified the data, and they did a lot of other tricks. And all of those studies were the subject of those kind of that kind of trickery. And so what we're going to do now and meanwhile, the external literature is showing, you know, over a 100 studies that show that there indicate that there is a link. But what we're going to do now is we're going to do all the kind of studies that the Institute of Medicine originally recommended. And we're going to do observational studies, retrospective studies, and epidemiological studies. We're going to do real science. And the way that we're going to do that is we're going to make the databases public for the first time.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

But the corruption goes much deeper than just one study. The entire system that decides what vaccines your kids get has been captured...

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

3/ The Vaccine Committee Scandal 97% of vaccine advisory committee members had financial conflicts with pharma companies. Dr. Paul Offit voted to add rotavirus vaccine while developing his own competing version. He sold it to Merck for $186 million. https://t.co/hjvE3ND5H7

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The speaker states that a board was fired for being a "sock puppet" for the industry it regulated. In 2002, a government oversight committee held hearings about the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), finding that 97% of its members had undisclosed conflicts of interest. As an example, the speaker claims that when the ACIP approved the rotavirus vaccine, four of the five members had direct financial interests in it. One member, Paul Offit, allegedly voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. The approved vaccine was withdrawn due to causing intussusception. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. The speaker claims that Offit and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for $186 million.
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Speaker 0: Well, we fired that board because they were it was an utterly it was just an instrument. It was a sock puppet for the industry that it was supposed to regulate. So, you know, they in fact, you know and this was a long time coming, Tucker. In 02/2002, the government oversight committee and the United States Congress held hearings about that board, which is called the ASIP, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. And they said that 97% of the people on that board had undisclosed conflicts. Many of them had disclosed conflicts as well. But they said that congress said that it gave an example. It said the rotavirus vaccine was approved by that board, and there were five members of that board at that time, and four of them had direct financial interests in the rotavirus vaccine. They were working for the companies that made the vaccine or they were receiving grants to do clinical trials on that vaccine. They all had overwhelming financial interests. One of the people on that board was a guy called Paul Offit, and who is one of the big voices for vaccines that they CNN goes to him all the time when it wants to have vaccines. He voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule when he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. Because it's now on the schedule, his developing vaccine is virtually guaranteed to get on the schedule. It's a competitive product. But once you say rotavirus vaccine has to be vaccinated for, his vaccine is now guaranteed to get on the schedule. The one they voted on that he voted on, within a year it had to be withdrawn because it was causing this really disastrous disease in kids that is often lethal, called intussusception, agonizingly painful when your intestines kind of tie up against each other, and it kills children, you know, on on occasion. That vaccine was pulled the following year, and his vaccine then replaced him. He was still on the committee. He didn't vote on that, but he was still on the committee. But he voted to make rotavirus vaccine mandatory for the And he he he then he and his business partners, Stanley Plotkin and, you know, a couple of other people sold that vaccine and to Merck for a $186,000,000.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

4/ They Never Said No to Anything @RobertKennedyJr just fired all 17 committee members because they "never recommended against a vaccine—even those later withdrawn for safety reasons." They became a rubber stamp for the industry they were supposed to regulate. https://t.co/l1W96nxwMh

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The speaker describes a committee conflict investigated by the office of inspector general and Congress, who urged change, but nothing happened. They claim medical malpractice by this group is evident in the approval of vaccines. The speaker states that in 1986 there were 11 vaccines, which increased to 69, then 92. They assert that, except for the COVID vaccine, none had a pre-licensing safety trial involving a true placebo. According to the speaker, these vaccines were introduced without safety studies, resulting in a lack of understanding regarding the risk profiles of these products. The speaker attributes this to corruption and agency capture.
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Speaker 0: So that and that kind of conflict was typical on that committee, but that was the most Did did people know this was going on? That that's such an obvious conflict. The office of inspector general in this department investigated, and they said this is a disaster. You gotta change it. Congress investigated and said you gotta change it, and they did nothing. That's the most most sort of a glaring example of medical malpractice by this by this group is that they approved all these vaccines. We went from 11, remember, to 69 to 92, 11 vaccines in '86, and not one of them had except for COVID. COVID is the only one that had a pre licensing safety trial that involved a placebo, a true placebo. And so all of those other vaccines were ushered in without safety studies, and that means nobody understands the risk profile of those products. How how can you do that? That's they did it. It's corruption, and it's, you know, it's because of agency capture.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

5/ The Broken Injury Reporting System Harvard built an automated system to track vaccine injuries. They found that the current VAERS system captures less than 1% of injuries. Their system found 1 injury per 37 vaccines given. CDC's response? Shelved it. https://t.co/Gyx9pdrHed

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The CDC funded a machine counting system designed to identify unique injury clusters related to vaccines. This system, developed by a team led by Lazarus, was tested at Harvard Pilgrim HMO. The machine counting system's data on vaccine injuries was compared to VAERS data from the same period at Harvard Pilgrim. The study found that VAERS captured less than one percent of vaccine injuries, while the new system captured over ninety-five percent. Data showed injuries in about two point seven percent of all vaccines, approximately one out of every thirty-seven. The CDC then shelved the system in 2010 and continues to use VAERS, a system they know doesn't work. The speaker advocates for changing VAERS or creating a supplementary system that actually works.
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Speaker 0: CDC designed a machine counting system that would do essentially a cluster analysis. They would look at the vaccine, and then they would look at clusters of injuries that were unique or anomalous to that vaccine. And it was a very accurate system according to the, you know, the group that designed it. It was a team led by a guy called Lazarus. And CDC paid for the whole thing, millions of dollars, and it was a long term study. And they looked at one HMO, which was Harvard Pilgrim up in Massachusetts, and they did this machine counting system for Harvard Pilgrim. And then they compared what the machine counting system had gotten, you know, had yielded and collected in terms of vaccine injuries. They compared that to what VAERS had collected during the same period at Harvard Pilgrim. And they said that VAERS was capturing fewer than one percent of vaccine injuries. And they had a system now that would capture over ninety five percent, And they were very proud, and they brought it to CDC and said, our system works. Here's the data. The data showed injuries in about two point seven percent of vaccines. Of all vaccines? Yeah, all vaccines. About two point seven percent. Wow. Which I think is something like one out of every thirty seven vaccines you get, there's an injury. And CDC saw that and said, We're not going to use the system. And they shelved it in 2010, and they've continued to use now for, you know, twenty two years when they know that it doesn't work, it was to fail. We're going to absolutely change VAERS, and we're gonna make it we're we're going to create either in within VAERS or supplementary VAERS a system that actually works.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

6/ Media Capture Through Advertising Roger Ailes told @RobertKennedyJr he couldn't discuss vaccines on Fox News. Why? "75% of evening news advertising revenues are coming from pharma." Pharma spent $4.58 billion on TV ads in 2020 alone. https://t.co/65JeQy37xu

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The speaker had a close but politically opposed relationship with the founder of Fox News, stemming from a shared experience in Africa. Despite their differences, the founder, whom the speaker describes as witty, engaging, paranoid, and brilliant, would have Fox News hosts put the speaker on air to discuss environmental issues. In 2014, the speaker presented the founder with a documentary about mercury in vaccines, which the founder was convinced by, especially because he believed a family member had been affected. However, he couldn't allow the speaker to discuss it on air because pharmaceutical companies provided 75% of the evening news division's advertising revenue. The founder stated that 17 out of 22 ads on a typical evening news show were pharmaceutical ads, which was the principal source of revenue for many television networks.
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Speaker 0: Was the founder of Fox News, and I had this odd relationship with him because politically we were at loggerheads. But I had spent when I was 19 years old, I spent three months with him in a tent in Africa. And I and we developed a friendship then. And as you know, he was very, you know, he was a very engaging guy. He was very witty, really fun to be with, very paranoid, but at the same time brilliant. Yes. And he and so he was very kind to me. He was a very loyal friend to me, and he would make Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and Neil Cavuto and all the other hosts, who your former colleagues, put me on TV to talk about the environment. Even though he didn't agree with me on it, he made them put me on. So during the eighties and nineties, I was the only environmentalist who was going on Fox News. But I brought him one time this around I think it was like 2014, I brought him a a documentary that we had done about mercury and vaccines, and he had he watched it. He was completely sold on it. He had a family member who had been affected, he felt. And he said, but I can't put you on because if I did, I if any of my hosts allowed you on to talk about this issue, I would have to fire them. And if I didn't, I would get a call from Ruper within ten minutes. And he said, for the evening news division, about 75% of the advertising revenues are coming from pharma. And then he told me something that, if I remember it correctly, he said that on a typical evening news show, there are 22 ads, and 17 of those are pharmaceutical ads. And so this was the principal source of revenue. And for a lot of these television networks, it's keeping them alive. As you know, they're all, you know, kind of collapsing financially.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

7/ Your Doctor's Financial Incentives Insurance companies pay doctors bonuses when 95% of their patients are "fully vaccinated." Want to space out vaccines? Many pediatricians will drop you. Your medical choice threatens their bonus check. https://t.co/rQo9yryCzA

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Pediatricians may be incentivized to administer vaccines due to revenue structures. One article claims that 50% of pediatricians' revenue comes from vaccines. Insurance companies like Blue Cross allegedly pay bonuses to pediatricians who maintain a 95% vaccination rate among their clients. This bonus structure may disincentivize pediatricians from accommodating alternative vaccination schedules, potentially leading them to dismiss patients who request them. These incentives may prevent doctors from prioritizing patient care due to financial considerations. The speaker claims that twenty years ago, 20% of doctors worked for corporations, but now 80% do, and these corporations prioritize revenue over patient well-being.
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Speaker 0: Of the doctors also have their own incentives, you know, prefers incentives. There's a published article out there now that says that 50% revenues to most pediatricians come from vaccines. And then there's a whole structure where Blue Cross and the other insurance companies pay bonuses to the pediatrician to make sure if, for example, ninety five percent of their if their clients are fully vaccinated, they get a huge bonus. It could be tens of thousands of dollars. And that's why pediatrician, if you say I want to go slow on the vaccines or I want to have a little different schedule, your pediatrician will throw you out of his practice, because you're now jeopardizing that bonus structure. And these are all perverse incentives that stop doctors from actually practicing medicine and caring for the client because they're looking at the bottom line. Twenty years ago, twenty percent of the doctors in this country worked for corporations. Today, 80% do. And that corporation is telling you, you know, we don't care what happens to your patient. We care about how much revenue you're generating.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

8/ Complete Legal Immunity The 1986 Vaccine Act gave manufacturers total immunity from lawsuits. No matter how reckless, how toxic, how damaging—you can't sue them. Since then: vaccine schedule went from 11 to 92 doses by age 18. https://t.co/93NYEOgyjC

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There is a connection between autism and vaccines that the government promoted, and this constitutes a tort, meaning many people were injured by the product. However, in 1986, Congress passed the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, giving vaccine companies immunity from liability. Therefore, no matter how reckless the company, how toxic the product, or how egregious the injury, they cannot be sued. This is one reason for the explosion of vaccinations.
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Speaker 0: There is a connection between autism and vaccines, vaccines the government promoted, in some cases effectively required. That's a tort. I mean, that means there are a lot of injured people who can now show they were injured by this product. How were they made whole? What happens to them? Speaker 1: Well, that's going to be complicated because in 1986, Congress passed an act, the Vaccine Act, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, and they gave the vaccine companies immunity from liability. So no matter how reckless the company is, no matter how toxic the product, no matter how egregious your injury, you cannot sue them. And that's one of the problems is and that actually is why we one of the reasons we had this explosion of the vaccination

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

The result? Epidemics of autoimmune diseases, autism, ADHD, and allergies that were virtually unknown when we were kids. Each vaccine is "designed to permanently alter your immune system." https://t.co/C3MqAb8z7d

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As a child, the speaker received three vaccines; by 1986, children received 11 doses of five vaccines. Now, children in states with mandates may receive 69 to 92 vaccines between conception and age 18, with varying dose requirements depending on the brand. Each vaccine is designed to permanently alter the immune system. The speaker believes this contributes to an epidemic of immune dysregulation. The speaker claims there is a rise in diseases like diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, seizure disorders, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, and autism, which they rarely saw as a child, suggesting this generation is damaged by these diseases.
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Speaker 0: You know, when I was a kid, we only had three vaccines. And, by 1986, the year the act was passed, there were 11 doses of, I think, five vaccines. And today, there are a child to to go to school in states like California and New York and many other states where you have mandates. The an American child now has to receive between sixty nine and ninety two vaccines between conception. So some of those are given to the mom during pregnancy and age 18. And the reason it's 69 to 80 two is some of the vaccines have or or the different brands have different dose requirements. So some will require three doses. Some will require one dose, some will require four doses. But that's a lot of vaccines for a kid, and each one of those is is designed to permanently alter your immune system. And so we have now this epidemic of immune dysregulation in our country, you know, and there's no way to rule out vaccines as one of the key culprits. And if you look at all of these diseases that have become epidemic, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, all of these seizure disorders, and neurological disorders like ADD, ADHD, speech delayed, language delayed, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism, all the diseases. UNN, I never saw when we were kids. And suddenly, they're this generation is damaged, and it's incredibly damaged by all these disease.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

@RobertKennedyJr's solution is revolutionary transparency. He's making CDC databases public for the first time. Using AI to detect real injury patterns. Independent scientists worldwide will finally study the data.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

This isn't anti-vaccine or pro-vaccine. It's about having honest science instead of industry propaganda. For 25 years, they've hidden the data. Now we'll finally see what they don't want us to know. A major breakthrough in our healthcare system.

@karlmehta - Karl Mehta

Thanks for reading. If you enjoyed this post, follow @karlmehta for more content on AI and politics. Repost the first tweet to help more people see it: Appreciate the support.

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RFK Jr.'s interview with Tucker Carlson is going viral. He exposed how the CDC found vaccines increased autism by 1,135% and their 25-year cover-up. 99% of people still don't know about any of this.. Here are 8 more shocking revelations every American should know about: 🧵 https://t.co/6yOP44Drtz

Saved - August 6, 2025 at 11:41 AM
reSee.it AI Summary
In a recent interview, RFK Jr. claimed that CDC data indicated vaccines increased autism risk by 1,135% and alleged a 25-year cover-up. He highlighted a 1999 study manipulated to downplay risks, revealing that 97% of vaccine advisory committee members had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies. He criticized the vaccine injury reporting system for underreporting and pointed out that doctors face financial incentives to ensure high vaccination rates. RFK Jr. advocates for transparency in CDC data to enable independent research on vaccine safety.

@Nas_tech_AI - Nas

RFK Jr. interview went viral In an interview with Tucker Carlson, he revealed the CDC’s own data showed vaccines increased autism by 1,135% and the 25-year cover-up that followed. 99% of Americans have never heard this. Here are the shocking revelations you need to know…(🧵) https://t.co/dnqTDrqYAU

@Nas_tech_AI - Nas

1/ The 1999 CDC Study They Buried The CDC commissioned researcher Thomas Verstraeten to study hepatitis B vaccines given in the first 30 days of life. Result: 1,135% higher autism risk in vaccinated children. CDC's response? Bury it and manipulate the data through 5 revisions. https://t.co/aLh1v9TC9i

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The speaker claims epidemiological studies are easily manipulated and that proper studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated groups are lacking, except for a CDC study in 1999. This CDC study, led by Thomas Verstraten, allegedly compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. The speaker asserts the study found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism in vaccinated children, which "shocked" researchers. The speaker alleges the CDC then kept the study secret and manipulated it through five iterations to bury the link.
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Speaker 0: They use fraudulent techniques. You know, they say statistics don't lie, but statisticians do. And epidemiological studies are very easy to manipulate. None of those studies did what you would want what you would do if you wanted to find the answer, which is compare outcomes in a fully vaccinated group to health outcomes in an unvaccinated group. And CDC did that study in 1999. They brought in a team of scientists under a Belgian researcher named Thomas Verstraten, and they looked at the data. They looked at children who had received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life, and compare those children to children who had received the vaccine later or not at all. And they found an eleven, one hundred and thirty five percent elevated risk of autism among the vaccinated children. And it shocked them. They kept the study secret, and and they manipulated it through five different iterations to try to bury the link.

@Nas_tech_AI - Nas

2/ How They Manipulated the Data "They got rid of all the older children essentially and just had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed with autism." Classic move: Change the study population until you get the result you want. https://t.co/NcQvZbdWD1

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The speaker claims previous studies indicating no link between certain factors and specific outcomes were flawed. They allege researchers eliminated older children from the data, stratified the data improperly, and used other "tricks." The speaker states that external literature shows over 100 studies indicating a link. They announce plans to conduct new observational, retrospective, and epidemiological studies, as originally recommended by the Institute of Medicine, using publicly available databases. They characterize this new approach as "real science."
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Speaker 0: And, you know, we know how they did it. They got rid of all the older children essentially, and just had younger children who were too young to be diagnosed. And they stratified stratified the data, and they did a lot of other tricks. And all of those studies were the subject of those kind of that kind of trickery. And so what we're gonna do now and meanwhile, the external literature is showing, you know, over a 100 studies that show that there indicate that there is a link. But what we're going to do now is we're going to do all the kind of studies that the Institute of Medicine originally recommended. And we're going to do observational studies, retrospective studies, and epidemiological studies. We're going to do real science. And the way that we're going to do that is we're going to make the databases public for the first time.

@Nas_tech_AI - Nas

But the corruption goes much deeper than just one study. The entire system that decides what vaccines your kids get has been captured...

@Nas_tech_AI - Nas

3/ The Vaccine Committee Scandal 97% of vaccine advisory committee members had financial conflicts with pharma companies. Dr. Paul Offit voted to add rotavirus vaccine while developing his own competing version. He sold it to Merck for $186 million. https://t.co/8Cu0EUBwrL

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The speaker says a board was fired for being a "sock puppet" for the industry it regulated. In 2002, a government oversight committee held hearings about the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), stating that 97% of its members had undisclosed conflicts of interest. The rotavirus vaccine's approval was cited as an example, with four out of five board members having direct financial interests in it. Paul Offit, who frequently speaks about vaccines, voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while developing his own. After the rotavirus vaccine was mandated, Offit's vaccine was guaranteed to be on the schedule. The approved vaccine was withdrawn due to causing intussusception in children. Offit and his business partners then sold their rotavirus vaccine to Merck for $186 million.
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Speaker 0: Well, we fired that board because they were it was an utterly it was just an instrument. It was a sock puppet for the industry that it was supposed to regulate. So, you know, they in fact, you know and this was a long time coming, Tucker. In 02/2002, the government oversight committee and the United States Congress held hearings about that board, which is called ASIP, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. And they said that 97% of the people on that board had undisclosed conflicts, Many of them had disclosed conflicts as well. But they said that congress said that it gave an example. It said the rotavirus vaccine was approved by that board, and there were five members of that board at that time, and four of them had direct financial interests in the rotavirus vaccine. They were working for the companies that made the vaccine or they were receiving grants to do clinical trials on that vaccine. They all had overwhelming financial interests. One of the people on that board was a guy called Paul Offit, and who is one of the big voices for vaccines that they CNN goes to him all the time when it wants to have vaccines. He voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule when he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. Because it's now on the schedule, he is developing vaccine. It's virtually guaranteed to get on the schedule. It's a competitive product. But once you say rotavirus vaccine has to be vaccinated for, its vaccine is now guaranteed to get on the schedule. The one they voted on that he voted on, within a year, it had to be withdrawn because it was causing this really disastrous disease in kids that is often lethal called the intussusception, agonizingly painful when your intestines kind of tie up against each other. It kills children, you know, on on occasion. That vaccine was pulled the following year, and his vaccine then replaced him. He was still on the committee. He didn't vote on that, but he was still on the committee. But he voted to make rotavirus vaccine mandatory for the schedule. And he he he then he and his business partners, Stanley Plotkin and, you know, a couple of other people sold that vaccine and to Merck for a $186,000,000.

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4/ They Never Said No to Anything RFK Jr. fired all 17 committee members because they "never recommended against a vaccine—even those later withdrawn for safety reasons." They became a rubber stamp for the industry they were supposed to regulate. https://t.co/YpXAfSRpO3

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The speaker claims a committee experienced typical conflict, but a specific conflict was particularly obvious. The Office of Inspector General and Congress investigated and urged change, but nothing happened. The speaker asserts this group committed medical malpractice by approving vaccines, increasing the number from 11 in 1986 to 69 and then 92. They state that, except for the COVID vaccine, none had pre-licensing safety trials with a true placebo. According to the speaker, these vaccines were introduced without safety studies, meaning the risk profiles are unknown. The speaker attributes this to corruption and agency capture.
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Speaker 0: So that and that kind of conflict was typical on that committee, but that was the most Did did people know this was going on? That that's such an obvious conflict. The office of inspector general in this department investigated, and they said this is a disaster. You gotta change it. Congress investigated and said you gotta change it, and they did nothing. That's the most most sort of a glaring example of medical malpractice by this by this group is that they approved all these vaccines. We went from 11, remember, to 69 to 92. 11 vaccines in '86, and not one of them had except for COVID. COVID is the only one that had a pre licensing safety trial that involved a placebo, a true placebo. And so all of those other vaccines were ushered in without safety studies, and that means nobody understands the risk profile of those products. How how can you do that? That's they did it. It's corruption, and it's, you know, it's because of agency capture.

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5/ The Broken Injury Reporting System Harvard built an automated system to track vaccine injuries. They found that the current VAERS system captures less than 1% of injuries. Their system found 1 injury per 37 vaccines given. CDC's response? Shelved it. https://t.co/OZPMTCjqZo

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The CDC funded a machine counting system designed to analyze vaccine injuries through cluster analysis. Led by Lazarus, the team tested the system at Harvard Pilgrim HMO, comparing its findings to VAERS data. The study revealed that VAERS captured less than 1% of vaccine injuries, while their system captured over 95%. The data indicated injuries in approximately 2.7% of all vaccines, roughly one out of every 37. Despite the system's accuracy, the CDC allegedly shelved it in 2010. The speaker claims that for 22 years the CDC has continued to use VAERS, a system they know doesn't work. The speaker advocates for changing VAERS or creating a supplementary system that accurately tracks vaccine injuries.
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Speaker 0: CDC designed a machine counting system that would do essentially a cluster analysis. They would look at the vaccine, and then they would look at clusters of injuries that were unique or anomalous to that vaccine. And it was a very accurate system according to the, you know, the group that designed it. It was a team led by a guy called Lazarus. And CDC paid for the whole thing, millions of dollars, and it was a long term study. And they looked at one HMO, which was Harvard Pilgrim up in Massachusetts, and they did they did this this machine counting system for Harvard Pilgrim. And then they compared what the machine counting system had gotten, you know, had yielded and collected in terms of vaccine entries, and they compared that to what VAERS had collected during the same period at Harvard Pilgrim. And they said that VAERS was capturing fewer than one percent of vaccine injuries. And they had a system now that would capture over ninety five percent, and they were very proud, and they brought it to CDC and said, our system works. Here's the data. The data showed injuries in about two point seven percent of of vaccines. Of all vaccines? Yeah. All vaccines. About two point seven percent. Wow. Which I think is something like one out of every thirty seven vaccines you get, there's an injury. And CDC saw that and said, we're not going to use the system. And they shelved it in 2010, and they've continued to use now for, you know, twenty two years when they know that it doesn't work, it was to fail. We're going to absolutely change VAERS, and we're gonna make it we're we're going to create either in within VAERS or supplementary VAERS a system that actually works.

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6/ Media Capture Through Advertising Roger Ailes told RFK Jr. he couldn't discuss vaccines on Fox News. Why? "75% of evening news advertising revenues are coming from pharma." Pharma spent $4.58 billion on TV ads in 2020 alone. https://t.co/CDp0BUBfJZ

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The speaker had a long-standing, if politically opposed, friendship with the founder of Fox News, stemming from time spent together in Africa. Despite their disagreements, the founder was loyal and ensured the speaker, an environmentalist, appeared on Fox News programs with hosts like Sean Hannity. In 2014, the speaker presented the founder with a documentary about mercury in vaccines, which resonated with him due to a personal connection. However, the founder said he couldn't allow the speaker to discuss it on air because doing so would lead to repercussions from Rupert Murdoch and potential firings, as pharmaceutical companies accounted for 75% of the evening news division's advertising revenue. The founder stated that 17 out of 22 ads on a typical evening news show were pharmaceutical ads, a primary revenue source vital for the financially struggling networks.
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Speaker 0: Was the founder of Fox News. And I had this odd relationship with him because politically, we were at loggerheads. But I had spent when I was 19 years old, I spent three months with him in a tent in Africa. And I and we developed a friendship then. And as you know, he was very, you know, he was a very engaging guy. He was very witty, really fun to be with, very paranoid, but at the same time brilliant. Yes. And he and so he was very kind to me. He was a very loyal friend to me, and he would make Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and Neil Cavuto and all the other hosts, your former colleagues, wouldn't be on TV to talk about the environment. Even though he didn't agree with me on it, he made them put me on. So during the eighties and nineties, I I was the only environmentalist who was going on Fox News. But I brought him one time this around I think it was, like, 2014. I brought him a a documentary that we had done about mercury and vaccines, and he had he watched it. He was completely sold on it. He had a family member who had been affected, he felt. And he said, but I can't put you on because if I did, I if any of my hosts allowed you on to talk about this issue, I would have to fire them. And if I didn't, I would get a call from Ruper within ten minutes. And he said, for the evening news division, about 75% of the advertising revenues are coming from pharma. And then he told me something that, if I remember it correctly, he said that on a typical evening news show, there are 22 ads, and 17 of those are pharmaceutical ads. And so this was the principal source of revenue. And for a lot of these television networks, it's keeping them alive. As you know, they're all kind of collapsing financially.

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7/ Your Doctor's Financial Incentives Insurance companies pay doctors bonuses when 95% of their patients are "fully vaccinated." Want to space out vaccines? Many pediatricians will drop you. Your medical choice threatens their bonus check. https://t.co/C1zCGdToUj

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Doctors have incentives related to vaccines, with one article claiming that 50% of pediatricians' revenue comes from them. Insurance companies like Blue Cross allegedly pay bonuses to pediatricians who maintain high vaccination rates among their clients, potentially tens of thousands of dollars. This bonus structure is claimed to be the reason pediatricians might dismiss patients who want alternative vaccine schedules. These incentives are characterized as perverse, hindering doctors from prioritizing patient care over financial gain. It is claimed that twenty years ago, 20% of doctors worked for corporations, but now 80% do, with corporations prioritizing revenue over patient well-being.
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Speaker 0: So the doctors also have their own incentives, you know, prefers incentives. There's a published article out there now that says that 50% of revenues to most pediatricians come from vaccines. And then there's a whole structure where Blue Cross and the other insurance companies pay bonuses to the pediatrician to make sure if, for example, ninety five percent of their their clients are fully vaccinated, they get a huge bonus. It could be tens of thousands of dollars. And that's why your pediatrician, if you say, I want to go slow on the vaccines, or I want to have a little different schedule, your pediatrician will throw you out of his practice, because you're now jeopardizing that bonus structure. And these are all perverse incentives that stop doctors from actually practicing medicine and caring for the client because they're looking at the bottom line. Twenty years ago, twenty percent of the doctors in this country worked for corporations. Today, 80% do. And that corporation is telling you, you know, we don't care what happens to your patient. We care about how much revenue you're generating.

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8/ Complete Legal Immunity The 1986 Vaccine Act gave manufacturers total immunity from lawsuits. No matter how reckless, how toxic, how damaging—you can't sue them. Since then: vaccine schedule went from 11 to 92 doses by age 18. https://t.co/QeffO3lHzC

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The speaker claims there is a connection between autism and government-promoted vaccines, which constitutes a tort, implying many people were injured. They ask how these injured parties can be made whole. Another speaker explains that the 1986 National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Vaccine Act gave vaccine companies immunity from liability, regardless of recklessness, toxicity, or injury severity. This immunity prevents lawsuits against vaccine companies and is presented as a reason for the increase in vaccinations.
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Speaker 0: There is a connection between autism and vaccines, vaccines the government promoted, in some cases, effectively required. That's a tort. I mean, that means there are a lot of injured people who can now show they were injured by this product. How were they made whole? What happens to them? Speaker 1: Well, that's going to be complicated because in 1986, Congress passed an act, the Vaccine Act, National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, gave the vaccine companies immunity from liability. So no matter how reckless the company is, no matter how toxic the product, no matter how egregious your injury, you cannot sue them. And that's one of the problems is and that actually is why we one of the reasons we had this explosion of the vaccination

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The result? Epidemics of autoimmune diseases, autism, ADHD, and allergies that were virtually unknown when we were kids. Each vaccine is "designed to permanently alter your immune system." https://t.co/CBcFO7aaSa

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As a child, the speaker received three vaccines. By 1986, children received 11 doses of five vaccines. Now, children in states with mandates may receive 69 to 92 vaccines between conception and age 18, with varying dose requirements depending on the brand. Each vaccine is designed to permanently alter the immune system. The speaker believes this contributes to an epidemic of immune dysregulation. The speaker suggests vaccines could be a key culprit in the rise of diseases like diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, seizure disorders, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, and autism, which the speaker claims were rare in their childhood. The speaker believes this generation is damaged by these diseases.
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Speaker 0: You know, when I was a kid, we only had three vaccines. And, by 1986, the year the act was passed, there were 11 doses of, I think, five vaccines. And today, there are a child to to to go to school in states like California and New York and many other states where you have mandates. The an American child now has to receive between sixty nine and ninety two vaccines between conception. So some of those are given to the mom during pregnancy and age 18. And the reason it's 69 to 82 is some of the vaccines have or or the different brands have different dose requirements. So some will require three doses. Some will require one dose, some will require four doses. But that's a lot of vaccines for a kid, and each one of those is calculate is is designed to permanently alter your immune system. And so we have now this epidemic of immune dysregulation in our country, you know, and there's no way to rule out vaccines as one of the key culprits. And if you look at all of these diseases that have become epidemic, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, all of these seizure neurological disorders like ADD, ADHD, speech delayed, language delayed, tics, Tourette's syndrome, narcolepsy, ASD, autism, all the diseases. UNN, I never saw when we were kids. And suddenly, they're this generation is damaged, and it's incredibly damaged by all these disease.

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RFK Jr.'s solution is revolutionary transparency. He's making CDC databases public for the first time. Using AI to detect real injury patterns. Independent scientists worldwide will finally study the data.

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This isn't anti-vaccine or pro-vaccine. It's about having honest science instead of industry propaganda. For 25 years, they've hidden the data. Now we'll finally see what they don't want us to know. A major breakthrough in our healthcare system.

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RFK Jr just exposed that 36,000+ doctors had their Medicare payments manipulated to push childhood vaccines. This isn’t medicine — it’s bribery. Big Pharma & government turned doctors into sales reps. The corruption is staggering. https://t.co/gxnBOtZUX8

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I’m reflecting on Tucker Carlson's comments about American pharmaceutical companies, which he claims are essentially government contractors profiting off taxpayers. He highlights the absurdity of Donald Trump needing to demand real Covid vaccine data from Pfizer and Moderna, pointing out that these companies and their executives have become billionaires through federal funding. I find it troubling that we have no recourse if their products harm us, as they enjoy full immunity. Carlson suggests that accountability is necessary, even calling for jail time for those involved.

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Tucker Carlson comes out and says it, American pharmaceutical companies are not really private companies. They’re government contractors paying themselves billions of dollars getting rich off taxpayers and publishing fake data “Maybe someone should go to jail, like right away” They talk about Donald Trump demanding the real Covid vaccine data from Pfizer and Moderna “Pretty unbelievable that he has to send something like this out, considering that companies like Pfizer and Moderna and their executives are all billionaires because of federal tax dollars. So like this, these are not really private. I mean, they're publicly traded companies, but they're not in some kind of private sector business. They are government contractors. We're forced to take their products. We have no recourse if those products hurt us because they have full immunity. And so they're getting rich from our tax dollars, but we don't get to see the numbers. Like maybe someone should go to jail, like right away.”

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Speaker 0 demands public disclosure: "It is very important that the drug companies justify the success of their various COVID drugs." He adds, "I want them to show them now to CDC and the public and clear up this mess one way or the other." He asks, "If not, we all want to know about it and why." He contends that "Pfizer and Moderna and their executives are all billionaires because of federal tax dollars" and that, as "government contractors," "we don't get to see the numbers." He cites "Burla is now a billionaire because he is involved in a scam where US tax dollars go into his pocket" and says critics face censorship or arrest. He recalls Trump saying Warp Speed "saved millions of lives" and notes DoD involvement under "General Perna," asserting "the DoD is who developed these jabs" and that Pfizer/Moderna were asked to "slap their label on it for money." Speaker 1 calls it "the first time" he heard him "maybe somewhat question the effectiveness" of Warp Speed, a DoD operation run by General Perna; references Sasha Ladopova and Katherine Watt.
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Speaker 0: And I'm quoting, It is very important that the drug companies justify the success of their various COVID drugs. Many people think they are a miracle that saved millions of lives. Others disagree. With the CDC now being ripped apart over this question, I want the answer, and I want it now, in all caps. I've been shown information from Pfizer and others that is extraordinary, but they never seem to show those results to the public. Why not? They go off the next hunt and let everyone rip themselves apart, including Bobby Kennedy Jr. And the CDC, trying to figure out the success or failure of the drug company's COVID work. They show me great numbers and results, but they don't seem to be showing them to many others. And I want them to show them now to CDC and the public and clear up this mess one way or the other. I hope that Operation Warp Speed was brilliant, as many say it was. If not, we all want to know about it and why. Thank you for your attention to this very important matter, President DJT. Speaker 1: Wow. I'm really encouraged by those words, significantly encouraged. It's been a struggle with this whole operation warp speed and with what we know. Yes. Being physicians practicing. Being physicians practicing, but not all physicians practicing. We talked about this earlier, you know, where a very small percentage of us actually quote unquote know, okay? Yes. But to hear that coming from him where he may actually be questioning the operation warp speed numbers that were put behind him and that were given to him before is a really, really interesting twist. Speaker 0: Pretty unbelievable that he has to send something like this out, that companies like Pfizer and Moderna and their executives are all billionaires because of federal tax dollars. So like these are not really, I mean, they're publicly traded companies, but they're not in some kind of private sector business. They are government contractors. We're forced to take their products. We have no recourse if those products hurt us because they have full immunity. And so they're getting rich from our tax dollars, but we don't get to see the numbers. Like maybe someone should go to Speaker 1: jail like right away. What numbers is he seeing that he says have been really impressive numbers that we're not seeing? Speaker 0: Well, burla, the veterinarian burla guy. Right. Who I think is not a He's a vet, right? Speaker 1: He's a vet, correct. Speaker 0: And you're a surgeon, but they try to put you in prison for the rest of your life. But Burla is now a billionaire because he is involved in a scam where US tax dollars go into his pocket and there's nothing we can do about it. Right. And if you complain about it, by the way. Speaker 1: Then they shut you down and they censor you and they try to arrest you or they Speaker 0: do This arrest ghoula creep, this ghoul has been showing up at the, he's been at the White House a bunch, I think. Right. And he's been spinning. Well, Donald Speaker 1: Trump has called him out saying, hey, this is my best friend or not best friend, but this is a really good friend of mine, Borla, and kind of praised what they've done. Speaker 0: Yeah, how about I call you when my dog has puppies? Okay? Like, what are Speaker 1: you doing? What is this? Anyway, sorry, sorry, sorry. Speaker 0: But Trump's position up until apparently this morning, as far as I know, has been Operation Warp Speed, which Speaker 1: he- Saved millions of lives. Speaker 0: Saved millions of lives. It was like Jonas Salk's polio vaccine. The last line in here is it was brilliant, as many say it was. If not, we want to know what happened. Speaker 1: That's, like I said, that is the first time that I've heard him maybe somewhat question the effectiveness or what actually was behind Operation Warp Speed. Operation Warp Speed was a DoD operation. It was run by a general, okay, General Perna. And, you know, there's a lot of evidence out there in Sasha Ladopova and Katherine Watt, and a lot of people have put out information that essentially the DoD is who developed these jabs, these COVID vaccines. And then they in turn asked Pfizer and Moderna to slap their label on it for money, and then distribute them because it was a military operation in terms of Speaker 0: this
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I feel like things are much worse than we understand. Former Chief Editors of major medical journals claim that half of published science is fake. Big Pharma seems to control everything, and the level of corruption is shocking. It's alarming that so little has been done about it.

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Things are so much worse than we realize Multiple past Chief Editors of Major Medical Journals such as New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal, have all come out saying “50% of the science that’s published is fake” “Big Pharma, they own everything” “I mean, the depth of corruption is stunning, and the fact that pretty much nothing's been done about it makes you wonder how long this can all last.”

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Big Pharma, they own everything. There's a number of past chief editors of journals, and we're not talking just, you know, like some throwaway journals. We're talking New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal. Okay. Some of the biggest journals in the world. Those are top three out of the top four that I just named. Journal of American Medical Association is the other one. But chief editors in the last twenty years, at least six of them have come out and said that at least 50% of the science that's published is fake. Come on. Read their quotes. Marcia Angel is one of them that I can remember her name. There's a guy by the name of Richard something or other from the British Medical Journal who said the same thing. I just read an article about it the other day. I'll I'll send it to you because it's I'm not surprised. I mean, depth of corruption is is stunning and and the fact that pretty much nothing's been done about it makes you wonder how long this can all last.
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Speaker 0: Big Pharma, they own everything. There's a number of past chief editors of journals, and we're not talking just, you know, like some throwaway journals. We're talking New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal. Okay. Some of the biggest journals in the world. Those are top three out of the top four that I just named. Journal of American Medical Association is the other one. But chief editors in the last twenty years, at least six of them have come out and said that at least 50% of the science that's published is fake. Come on. Read their quotes. Marcia Angel is one of them that I can remember her name. There's a guy by the name of Richard something or other from the British Medical Journal who said the same thing. I just read an article about it just the other day. I'll I'll send it to you because it's I'm not surprised. I mean, depth of corruption is is stunning and and the fact that pretty much nothing's been done about it makes you wonder how long this can all last.
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Pharma focuses on managing diseases rather than curing them, creating a cycle of dependency on medications. The industry thrives on chronic illness, with significant profits from drugs for ADHD, anxiety, and obesity. The system perpetuates itself by creating problems, diagnosing them, and offering solutions that lead to profit. Media and political influences further entrench this cycle, as pharma funds much of the health information we receive. To break free, we must educate ourselves and support natural health practices, seeking causes rather than just treating symptoms.

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💊 PHARMA: THE DISEASE INDUSTRY Pharma doesn’t cure disease. Pharma manages disease – it controls it, prolongs it, and monetizes it. When digital corporations steal movement from children, and the junk food industry addicts their bodies, pharma gets the perfect customer: https://t.co/UhWckYU00J

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a chronically ill, obedient, and fearful human. 📊 GLOBAL FACTS •The global pharmaceutical market in 2024 is worth $1.6 trillion – and is growing by 6–8% annually. •The ten biggest companies (Pfizer, Roche, Johnson & Johnson, Novartis, Merck, Sanofi, GSK, AstraZeneca,

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Novo Nordisk, and Eli Lilly) generate over $900 billion in revenue. •40% of global revenue comes from the USA – the world’s largest pharmaceutical market. •Sales of drugs for ADHD, anxiety, and hormonal disorders among children and youth have doubled in the last decade.

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•The obesity drug market (Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro) is expected to reach $1.5 trillion by 2030. 💡 A healthy child brings no profit. A sick child means a lifelong customer.

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💰 WHO PROFITS – FOLLOW THE MONEY •Pfizer – $60 billion (Comirnaty, Paxlovid) •Novo Nordisk – $33 billion (Ozempic, Wegovy) •Eli Lilly – $34 billion (Mounjaro, Prozac) •Johnson & Johnson – $85 billion (drugs, vaccines, surgery) •Roche – $68 billion (oncology)

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•AstraZeneca – $45 billion (vaccines, biologics) •GSK – $36 billion (vaccines, antibiotics) •Sanofi – $43 billion (insulin, immunology) 💡 In 2023, pharma earned $900 billion–more than the global food industry. And yet people are increasingly sick, tired, and dependent.

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🧠 HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS 1️⃣ Create the problem The food and digital industries produce a generation without movement, with a weak immune system and mental exhaustion. 2️⃣ Make the diagnosis The healthcare system – financed by pharma – establishes a new “official” diagnosis.

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3️⃣Offer the solution The solution comes from the same source: a lab that funds doctor education and advertises through media. 👉 Problem → Diagnosis → Product → Profit.

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🎭 MEDIA – WHO PAYS FOR THE “TRUTH”? Pharma companies account for 50–70% of all advertising revenue in medical and scientific journals (JAMA, The Lancet, Medscape). In the USA, pharma directly finances over 70% of TV health commercials. Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson are among

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the top five advertisers worldwide – together spending over $15 billion per year on marketing. In the EU, pharma is the second-largest media content sponsor, right after the automotive industry. 💡 When you wonder why TV doesn’t talk about nutrition, exercise, or natural

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healing – the answer is always the same: follow the money.

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🔒 POLITICAL BACKGROUND •Lobbying: According to Transparency International (2023), pharma spends over €300 million annually influencing legislation in Brussels. •Revolving doors: Top executives from pharma companies regularly move into positions at EMA, FDA, and WHO.

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•World Health Organization (WHO): Nearly 80% of its budget comes from private donations – mostly from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and GAVI (both linked to Pfizer and GlaxoSmithKline). •In 2020, a former Pfizer legal advisor was on the WHO vaccine ethics board.

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•Financial giants BlackRock and Vanguard are the largest shareholders of most pharma and media corporations – owning stakes in Pfizer, J&J, GSK, Moderna, Reuters, CNN, and Fox. 👉 Those who make the drugs also control the media that report on their effectiveness.

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🧬 GOAL: LONG-TERM DEPENDENCE ADHD → focus pills Depression → antidepressants Obesity → weight-loss injections Allergies → antihistamines Vaccines → annual “immunity maintenance programs” 💡 This is not healing. This is body management. The human becomes a permanent digital

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and biological client of the industry.

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🔄 THE BIG PATTERN Digital → steals attention → causes mental exhaustion. Food → addicts the body → causes physical weakness. Pharma → monetizes illness → creates lasting dependence. Children are no longer the future – they have become the market. They’re trapped in a

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cycle: screen → sugar → pill. ✅ WHAT WE CAN DO •Educate children about psychological marketing and hidden corporate deals. •Support natural prevention: movement, sunlight, sleep, local food. •Don’t buy symptoms – seek causes. •Demand independent research funded by

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public money. •Support local doctors, therapists, and homeopaths – not corporate “health guides.” 🔚 KEY MESSAGE Pharma will not heal the world. Only we can – through knowledge, truth, awareness, and love of life. 🌱

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