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Sydney Watson is suing Blaze Media for wrongful termination, retaliation, and discrimination. Watson alleges that Elijah Schaffer created a hostile work environment with his misogyny and grossly sexual behavior on their podcast, You Are Here. Watson complained to management, but Schaffer refused to listen. Blaze Media promised to address the issue, but nothing changed. Watson is seeking damages for mental anguish, lost wages, and punitive damages. Blaze Media cut ties with Schaffer in September 2022 after an investigation.
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🧵 THREAD: 'Get Mr. Shaffer to Stop Talking About Dicks so Much' @SydneyLWatson is suing the Blaze @blazeTV @theblaze for retaliation, wrongful termination, and sex and religious discrimination based on alleged abuse perpetrated by @ElijahSchaffer, according to a copy of the…
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Through her counsel @KurtSchlichter, Watson on Wednesday filed a four-count lawsuit against Blaze Media in federal court that alleges Glenn Beck's media empire created and tolerated "a hostile work environment" and allowed sexual harassment, retaliation, and discrimination…
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Watson and Shaffer starred in the widely beloved You Are Here (YAH) BlazeTV podcast from September 2021 through April 2022. Per the complaint, the maximum value of Watson's multi-year agreement with Blaze was approximately "$1,275,000." However, the seven-figure deal is only…
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Watson chose Blaze because the company represented itself as "an incubator of talent," and pointed to @DLoesch and @TomiLahren's success as evidence of such. She also said the company's "moral values" were important to her decision.
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Unfortunately, trouble in paradise began as early as December 2021, leading to multiple complaints made to management and "weekly interactions" with them since January 2022. Watson complained to Blaze leadership of Shaffer's misogyny, drinking on set, and "grossly sexual…
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Watson claims Shaffer's "persona" on YAH became "increasingly aggressive and soon began to veer into outright misogyny." "He appeared to enjoy the intimidation factor that his physical size gave him with respect to Ms. Watson," according to the complaint. "The choice of…
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Notably, Watson points to YAH's December 3 episode featuring "notorious bigot" Nick Fuentes as evidence of the increasingly hostile work environment. "He was grossly misogynistic, and most troubling was how this appeared to be condoned by Mr. Schaffer," Watson says of Fuentes's…
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Next, Watson points to the infamous @jackmurphylive episode and Shaffer's reaction as another example of the sexist, hostile workplace. Watson claims Shaffer refused to control Murphy because Watson, as a woman, would have looked "weaker" if Shaffer demanded his guest "stop his…
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Watson accused Shaffer of "unilaterally" booking several guests with "particularly contemptible and sexist opinions towards women," after the show returned from the holiday break in January 2022. As a "serious journalist," Watson did not agree to assume the role of "the…
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The complaint also takes a shot at YAH's most loyal viewers. Watson blasted Shaffer for cultivating an audience that uses the idea of being "traditional" as a "cover for its extreme misogyny." “Such viewers often flooded YAH's discussions with superchats and grossly sexist…
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Shaffer and the audience had a "running gag" for Watson to read fans' super chats that were allegedly "coded dog whistles that referenced grossly misogynistic and/or anti-Semitic comments," unbeknownst to Watson. Shaffer "encouraged this humiliation," despite her complaints to…
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Much of the alleged conduct that contributed to the hostile work environment was "explicitly sexual in nature." Shaffer "would endlessly reference sex, often specifically gay sex, and discuss penises, among other sexual matter (often graphically), in front of the guests and Ms.…
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However, Watson told Cardon to speak with Shaffer because Shaffer allegedly refused to listen to women. Shaffer's apparent refusal to listen to a woman "was insulting" and "damaged" Watson's ability to perform her duties. Watson also complained that it was "impossible to work…
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The YAH team held a two-hour meeting in March, which Blaze President Gaston Mooney was present for, where Watson expressed how Shaffer's "constant sexism and hostile, unprofessional behavior on the show distracted and humiliated her, making it impossible for her to do her job."…
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Shaffer then had a "tantrum" where he refused to sit in on YAH production meetings "until his demands were met." Frustrated with Watson's disapproval of YAH's guests, Shaffer refused to help select guests, which "increased the burden on Ms. Watson." Blaze "repeatedly promised"…
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Watson notes that Shaffer's social media interactions are a "component of his participation in the show," and he used these interactions to continue his harassment. Watson pointed to this April tweet from Shaffer in response to @SebGorka as evidence of the online harassment.… https://t.co/WPDckMOaGr
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After that April tweet, Watson told Blaze CEO Cardon and President Gaston that she could no longer continue working on YAH. Cardon then informed Shaffer of Watson's departure and told him the show was over. A few weeks after leaving YAH, Blaze gave Watson the green light to… https://t.co/0itSyA7ICe
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At the time, Shaffer tweeted, "Finding out about my show's future on twitter along with the public like." https://t.co/iZQBdVWrhk
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In response, Watson said he had "known for weeks" that show was over and blasted him for "adding further dishonesty to the rumour mill." https://t.co/SAd5ythDZm
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Side note: I tried to find YAH clips to add to this thread, but it appears Blaze has made every episode private and rebranded the channel for the recent launch of Prime Time with @alexstein99. https://t.co/krT6g50fz7
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Watson's complaint goes on to accuse Shaffer of telling several people, including Info Wars's Harrison Smith and Tucker Carlson Originals director Scooter Downey, that he had to sue Watson "to keep her quiet" because she allegedly tried to get Shaffer's wife to divorce him. She…
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In September 2022, Blaze ultimately cut ties with Shaffer after "an investigation regarding a recent personnel matter." https://t.co/MGFVS82Wpe
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Watson is seeking damages for "mental anguish, pain and suffering, lost wages and benefits (both back pay and front pay)," punitive damages "in the highest amount under law," and an award of attorneys' fees. "But for the discriminatory and retaliatory actions by The Blaze based…
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FULL DISCLOSURE: I appeared on two February episodes of YAH. I will not express my thoughts, I'm just here to report the facts of an interesting lawsuit. I will say though I am grateful to Elijah, Sydney, and the entire Blaze Media crew for providing the opportunity to speak on… https://t.co/tQtJ8uxNZf
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To control a country, one must ensure obedience from those with deadly force, starting with the military and law enforcement. Beyond physical control, influencing societal taboos is crucial. Taboos shape behavior more powerfully than laws. In America, taboos are rapidly changing, often dictated from above. Actions once deemed unacceptable, like racial discrimination or adultery, are now tolerated or even encouraged. The most alarming shift is the diminishing stigma around child molestation, highlighted by media coverage of incidents involving individuals like Joseph Rosenbaum. Meanwhile, authorities focus on perceived threats like white supremacy, often without clear definitions. This ambiguity creates fear and uncertainty, allowing for arbitrary accusations. The old system, based on clear laws and organic taboos, is eroding. It’s essential to protect these moral instincts and resist the pressure to conform to shifting societal norms.
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Speaker 0: Hey. It's Tucker Carlson. Let's say you wanted to control a country. How would you start? We'd wanna make sure you had the complete obedience of everybody inside your borders who was authorized to use deadly force.
You would start with the military and then federal law enforcement and move your way down ultimately to agencies like the IRS. Controlling the guns would be a top priority for you if you ever wanted to go dictatorial, if you wanted to be baby doc. But let's say you had deeper ambitions. Let's say you wanted the power not simply to control people's behavior, but to control how they think, not just their bodies, but their minds as a god would. In that case, you need to take charge of the society's taboos.
A taboo is something that by popular consensus is not allowed. A taboo may not be illegal, but it doesn't need to be. Over time, social prohibitions are more powerful and more enduring than laws. Societies are defined by what they will not permit, as are famously religions. Muslims don't eat pork, neither do orthodox Jews.
Traditional Christians oppose extramarital sex. The Amish avoid electricity and so on. American society isn't overtly religious, but it's governed by taboos, and it always has been. What's interesting is how fast our taboos are changing. This is not happening organically.
What we're allowed to dislike is being dictated to us from above, sometimes by force. Until failure recently, for example, it was taboo in this country to attack people on the basis of their race. That was the main lesson of the 2nd World War, we were told again and again. The one thing we learned from the Nazis is that it's dangerous to reduce human beings to their genetic code. There is no master race.
That made sense, but apparently, we no longer believe it. Punishing people based on their skin color is not only permitted in modern America, it is mandatory throughout business and government and higher education as long as the victims are white. At one time, that would have been unimaginable. So the current behavior of our politicians. As recently as the 1992 presidential campaign, adultery was considered disqualifying for anyone seeking higher office.
Bill Clinton was very nearly derailed in the New Hampshire primary by his affair with Jennifer Flowers. Clinton went to elaborate lengths to lie about the relationship because he had no choice, but he was the last presidential candidate who had to meet the standard. By 2008, it was obvious to anybody who was paying attention that Barack Obama had a strange and highly creepy personal life, yet nobody ever asked him about it. By that point, a leader's behavior within his own marriage, the core relationship of his life, have been declared irrelevant. It was Barack Obama's business, not yours.
1 by 1 with increasing speed, our old taboos have been struck down. Those that remain have lost their moral force. Stealing, flaunting your wealth, striking women, smoking marijuana on the street, shameless public hypocrisy, taking other people's money for not working, All of these things used to be considered unacceptable in America, not anymore. So it probably shouldn't surprise us that the greatest taboo of all is teetering on the edge of acceptability, child molestation. A generation ago, talking to someone else's children about sex was widely considered grounds for a thrashing.
Touching them sexually was effectively a death penalty offense. When Jeffrey Dahmer was bludgeoned to death in the bathroom of a Wisconsin prison in 1994, the Milwaukee District Attorney had to caution the public not to turn Dahmer's killer into a folk hero. Jeffrey Dahmer had molested and murdered children. People felt justified in celebrating his death. 25 years later, that standard had changed dramatically in the state of Wisconsin as in the rest of the country.
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Speaker 0: In the summer of 2020 during the BLM riots in Kenosha, 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse defended his life from a convicted child molester called Joseph Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum was trying to kill Rittenhouse, so Rittenhouse shot him in self defense. But it was Joseph Rosenbaum whom the media cast as the victim of the story. Kyle Rittenhouse, meanwhile, an underage boy fending off violence from a child molester, was denounced as the villain. Ultimately, he was indicted for murder.
One of the things that this tells us is the people who run our country no longer see child molesters as the worst among us. That's never been more obvious than it was yesterday when the Wall Street Journal ran a long expose about kiddie porn on Instagram. Instagram, the journal found, quote, helps connect and promote a vast network of accounts openly devoted to the commission and purchase of underage sex content. Instagram connects pedophiles and connects them to content sellers of child pornography. In one instance, the paper discovered that Instagram was recommending the phrase incest toddlers to users who'd expressed interest in similar material.
By the way, no one at Instagram denied that any of this had happened, nor did Mark Zuckerberg, who controls the company. The journal story was accurate. It was all pretty shocking, but not as shocking as what happened next, which was effectively nothing at all. The largest circulation newspaper in the United States revealed that one of the world's most influential companies was promoting pedophilia, and nobody in power did anything about it. The Justice Department did not announce an investigation.
Congress did not schedule hearings. The guy who runs Instagram, Adam Mosseri, still has his job. In fact, Mosseri's last tweet, which is pinned, is a video of himself bragging about how effective Instagram's algorithm is. Keep in mind as you watch this, it's real.
Speaker 2: People often talk about the algorithm, but there is no one algorithm for Instagram. There are many algorithms and ranking processes we use to try to personalize the experience to make it as interesting as we can for each and every person who uses Instagram. We believe in this idea of personalization. What you're interested in and what I'm interested in is different, and so therefore, your Instagram and my Instagram should be different.
Speaker 0: What you're interested in and what I'm interested in is different, Masseri patiently. So your Instagram feed will be different from mine. You're interested in children. That's why you're getting all the incest toddler posts. It's a highly personalized experience.
That tweet is still up tonight. Of course, everybody at Instagram, in fact, everyone everywhere in authority, will still claim to think that child molestation is bad, but the tone has changed unmistakably. When they say it's bad, they mean it in a kind of abstract way, bad like a civil war in Central Africa is bad. You wouldn't prefer it, but there are reasons it happens. That's why we now refer to pedophiles as minor attracted persons because, honestly, who can judge?
These people are a sexual minority, so pause before you attack them. And in any case, it's not like pedophiles are barging into the Capitol building to sit in Nancy Pelosi's chair or asking uncomfortable questions about the last election. For miscreants like that, no punishment is too harsh. So far this month, the FBI's Washington field office has issued 11 press releases. 10 out of 11 have been about January 6th.
Keep in mind that January 6th happened more than two and a half years ago. Now you know why the feds were ignoring kid touchers on Instagram. They're too busy to respond. They've got much more important things to do, like finding white supremacists. White supremacists are America's new child molesters.
We've got zero tolerance for white supremacists because no one threatens the life of this country more than they do. Here's Joe Biden once again making that very clear last month.
Speaker 3: To stand up against the poison of white supremacists, I did my inaugural address to single out as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland is white supremacy. And I'm not saying this because I'm at a black HBCU. I say wherever I go. Pardon the feedback,
Speaker 0: but you heard the point. White supremacy is the most dangerous threat to the American homeland. Joe Biden just told us that. It's more dangerous than the threat of nuclear war with Russia. It's more dangerous than the threat of the Mexican drug cartels who've already killed 100 of thousands of Americans and are now in control of swaths of our southwestern states.
White supremacy is that bad, Joe Biden says. Act in fact, it's worse. But what is it? That's the question. Can anyone in authority actually define white supremacy?
What is it? Is white supremacy liking white people too much? If so, that's gonna put those of us with white children in a pretty tough spot, Or is white supremacy something much more obviously bad, like trying to expel all nonwhites from America and creating some kind of ethnostate? If that's Joe Biden's definition, what exactly is the scope of this threat? How many people are currently working on this American white ethno state project, and what are the chances they're gonna pull it off?
Our guess is not very many and precisely 0, but we can't say for sure because no one has showed us the numbers. These are not rhetorical questions. When the president of the United States describes something as the worst possible crime Americans can commit, you have a right to know what that crime is. You used to have that right. Under our pre revolutionary legal code before George Floyd, questions like these were easy to answer.
A crime was defined as something that an elected legislature had explicitly banned, usually an act that hurt somebody else. In America, crimes were described precisely with words in English and then preserved in books, which you could read yourself. If you ever wondered whether you were committing a crime, you could just look it up. You could know for sure whether you were a criminal. Now you can't, and needless to say, that's the point.
The point of the exercise is to keep you off balance, to keep you afraid. When no one's willing to define the offense, you can't be sure whether or not you're committing it. You could be accused at any time and everything you have taken from you. You live in fear. Remember this guy?
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Cafferty was driving near a Black Lives Matter protest in Poway in his SDG and E truck when he says he noticed somebody following him and trying to get his attention. Later, that person posted a picture of him making what some believed is a white supremacy symbol on Twitter. Cafferty says he had no idea about any white power symbols and was just cracking his knuckles outside his window when the picture was taken of him. Later that day, he says he was notified by SDG and E that he would be suspended pending an investigation. And a few days later, he was fired.
Speaker 0: What that man did was so offensive, as you just saw, that local news had to blur the photograph of his hand. He was fired from his job. His life was destroyed for cracking his knuckles. He didn't know cracking his knuckles was racist in his defense, but then nobody did until the day that poor Emmanuel Cafferty was unwise enough to crack them. When a crime has no definition, anyone can be guilty of it.
It's hard to relax in a country like that. The old system was better. Government operated on the basis of laws, not amorphous moral terror. Politicians couldn't accuse you of something they couldn't define. The legal code was straightforward.
Child molestation was a crime. Having unfashionable opinions was not. Outside of the public sphere, the population mostly governed itself as it does in every society and used taboos to do it. You knew what was allowed and what wasn't because the rules didn't change very often. The taboos were organic.
They derived from collective experience and instinct, the 2 most reliable guides to life. They evolved for a reason. They still do. Our job at this point is to protect them despite the hectoring, the nonstop hectoring from the people in charge. You know the outlines of right and wrong.
You're born knowing them. So don't let them talk you out of what you can smell. Don't let them rationalize away your intuitive moral sense. Cling to your taboos like your life depends on them because it does. Cherish and protect them like family heirlooms.
That's exactly what they are. The John Deere people say the news is full of lies on Canada's motorcade.
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Tucker Carlson on Twitter Ep. 4 just dropped. https://t.co/Q9hdYDnTKC
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The Biden administration arrested Donald Trump, prompting Fox News to air a chyron labeling Biden a "wannabe dictator." This brief banner sparked outrage within Fox, leading to the resignation of a producer and a public apology. Critics, including some Democrats, expressed anger over the label, questioning why it elicited such a strong reaction if it was false. The White House declined to comment on the chyron, asserting that Biden is not a dictator. The discussion highlighted that true dictators engage in blatant self-enrichment, suppress dissent, and manipulate information, none of which Biden exemplifies. The narrative concluded with a reminder that Biden's statements about children reflect a shared responsibility rather than ownership, reinforcing that he does not fit the profile of a dictator.
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Speaker 0: Hey. It's Tucker Carlson. On Tuesday afternoon, the Biden administration had Donald Trump arrested. It was a pretty big news story. You may have seen it.
Just before 9 PM that night as part of its coverage, Fox News ran 2 live video feeds next to one another. On the right, Donald Trump addressed his supporters in New Jersey. On the left, Joe Biden spoke at an event for the secretary general of NATO in Washington. Beneath those videos at the bottom of the screen, Fox's banner read this way, quote, wannabe dictator speaks at the White House after having his political rival arrested. Those words are up for less than 30 seconds, but the effect was immediate.
Inside Fox, the women who run the network panicked. First, they scolded the producer who put the banner on the screen. Less than 24 hours after that, he resigned. He'd been at Fox for more than a decade. He was considered one of the most capable people in the building.
He offered to stay for the customary 2 weeks, but Fox told him to clear out his desk and leave immediately. Then the company issued a public apology for the 27 second long wannabe dictator line. Quote, the chyron was taken down immediately, Fox's PR department said, and then added ominously it was, quote, addressed. That was all true, but it was not enough to save Fox News from the ensuing scandal. For a time in the rest of the media, Fox's assessment of Donald Trump's arrest seemed to overshadow Trump's arrest itself.
Suggesting that Biden is a dictator, declared the Washington Post, quote, cross the line. Alexander Vindman agreed strongly. Vindman is the perennial MSNBC guest and full time Ukraine promoter you may remember from Russiagate. On Twitter, he demanded that the Pentagon pull Fox News from all military bases. It is quote absolutely unacceptable for American forces network to carry programming that directly spuriously attacks the commander in chief of American Armed Forces, Vindman wrote.
In other words, Joe Biden must ban all criticism of himself because that's what non dictators do. John Cusack went further still. For the crime of calling Biden a dictator, Fox should be shut down, wrote the eighties era movie star. Quote, the government has to take away their broadcasting license and so on. It was all over the Internet.
Democrats were very, very angry. But why were they angry? If the banner on Fox was false, why the hysteria? Lies don't seem to bother anyone anymore. If some cable news producer had called Joe Biden a genius or accused him of being secretly Sudanese, would anyone be yelling about it?
Would Fox News have apologized for it Probably not But calling Joe Biden a wannabe dictator that stung So you've got to wonder if you're being honest with yourself is Joe Biden a wannabe dictator That question came up yesterday at the White House briefing. Here's how it went.
Speaker 1: Last night, Fox News ran a chyron that, referred to the president as a wannabe dictator, and I'm wondering if the White House has any comment on that. So there are probably about 787,000,000 things that I can say about this, that was wrong, about what we saw last night, but I don't think I'm gonna get into it. There's no comment on White House. I I think I just commented.
Speaker 0: Oh, no comment necessary. Of course, Joe Biden's not a wannabe dictator. Just because he's trying to put the other candidate in prison for the rest of his life for a crime he himself committed doesn't mean he has a totalitarian impulse. Come on. That's absurd.
It takes a lot more than jailing your political rivals to earn the title wannabe dictator. That's the consensus in Washington tonight. And in some ways, for once, the consensus may be right. It is not a small thing to be a wannabe dictator. It's quite a process.
There are a lot of steps. First off, there is the money. The one thing that all dictators have in common is they enrich themselves and their families, their tribe, even as the countries they govern grow steadily poor and more desperate. They take kickbacks from businesses and from other dictators. They use the official functions of their government to funnel cash to themselves.
They don't bother to hide the fruits of this. They live in garish mansions with big lawns far from the teeming cities even as their own citizens languish in growing poverty, in some cases, literally living in tents on the street. So they don't really hide it. It's all pretty blatant, and ordinary people resent it. Of course, they do and wanna be dictators know they resent it, but they don't care.
There's nothing the population can do about it in a dictatorship. It's no longer possible to fight injustice in a system like that. People can't gather in large numbers to protest the rule of the dictator. If they try that, they'll be arrested by a state security services, even years after the fact. A visit for men in body armor at the breakfast table.
That happens. And if citizens persist in believing they can gather in groups to protest, they may be shot to death, a bullet to the throat. And then, just to make the humiliation complete to make the lesson gin clear to everyone else watching, their relatives can be arrested for daring to complain that their children were killed for complaining. That actually happens in some places. Ask Ashley Babbitt's mother.
Here she is in handcuffs.
Speaker 1: You're arresting Ashley Babbitt. You heard on her inside the capitol, and now you're gonna arrest her? One 01.
Speaker 0: So don't be like Ashley Babbitt's mother, much less like poor Ashley Babbitt. She's dead now. That's the message a wannabe dictator would send. And by the way, it's not just public protest that would be banned in a dictatorship. You wouldn't be allowed to complain from your own home.
Unauthorized opinions expressed on the Internet would be censored. Go too far, press too deep, tell too much truth, and they'll just erase your opinions. They have no choice, really. It's a matter, as they say, of trust and safety. You must trust the leader or else you will jeopardize his safety.
Not that you really can jeopardize his safety at this point. The leader has nuclear weapons, and you don't. He'll remind you of that from time to time. And in any case, you're in the process of being disarmed anyway along with everyone else who has shown questionable loyalty to the leader. Those who support the regime can keep their weapons and use them freely, including on public transportation.
That's a core civil right for them. But for those who dissent from the program, self defense is an unaffordable privilege. Turn in your guns, mister and missus peaceful opposition. You're a danger to society, and we know who you are. And in fact, the wanna be dictator does know who they are because he knows everything.
Technology has made him all seeing. A report in Wired Magazine just this week revealed that the highly nondictatorial Biden administration is busy tracking the phones of millions of Americans without their knowledge and without bothering to get a warrant. And at the same time, the same nondictatorial administration is stockpiling a massive trove of damaging information about these same Americans to be used at some point, we are sure, for entirely noble purposes. So the administration now knows everything, where you spend your days, who you talk to, what you think, your porn habits. Not a big deal.
The administration already knows what you buy, of course, because they've leaned on the big banks to turn over your confidential credit card information. Not because anyone here is a wannabe dictator, to be clear, but just because. It's nice to have that information, just in case, in the words of the Fox News PR department, a situation arises that needs to be, quote, addressed. It's all totally normal. It's not a dictatorship.
Okay? But in the end, the main reason you know Joe Biden is not a wannabe dictator is because he just does not fit the profile as a man. Dictators have that look. You know one when you see 1. Dictators build cults of personality around themselves, and they use those cults to deny the glaringly obvious.
In his later years, named just one example, North Korean dictator Kim Il sung developed an enormous baseball sized tumor on the back of his neck. It was huge. It was grotesque. It was right there. You couldn't ignore it.
You couldn't possibly not see it. But in North Korea, state media did ignore it. They pretended it didn't exist. And so in some important sense, it didn't. If a tumor grows on a neck but no one acknowledges it, is it really there?
Thankfully, nothing like that is happening in our country or ever will. If Joe Biden ever developed some profound physical or medical problem that was obvious to everybody, journalists would say something. This is not North Korea. We don't have state media here. If Joe Biden was, say, incapable of completing a full sentence or mistook his sister for his wife or suddenly started falling down in public for no reason, The New York Times would report on that and they get to the bottom of what was actually happening.
That would be its duty in a free country like ours. It's not like they would cover it up. The very idea of a cover up sounds like a conspiracy theory, a dangerous one, actually, so stop it. And by the way, if Joe Biden was a wannabe dictator, he'd have the family to match. All dictators do.
Saddam Hussein had Uday and Qusay. They were princelings who lived above the law indulging their most decadent fantasies with total confidence. They would be never held to account by the police. As the sons of a dictator, they knew they could do exactly what they wanted, and so that's what they did. There's no one like that around Joe Biden.
He doesn't have weird sex scandals at the heart of his family that no one in the media will ever talk about. He doesn't have a ne'er do well former nightclub owning brother who's made a living for 30 years by being related to him. Not at all. That's dictator stuff. Joe Biden doesn't award ridiculous inflated titles to his relatives that the media are then required to take seriously.
He doesn't call people doctor who didn't go to medical school and then force you to nod along like it's real when everyone knows it isn't. Nicolai Ceausescu did that with his wife, Elena. Joe Biden would never do that. Notice Joe Biden dressed like a dictator. He doesn't do photo ops and mirrored sunglasses driving a sports car to convince you that he isn't frail and senile, but instead powerful, virulent wise.
That's just not his style. If Joe Biden was a dictator, he'd be wearing epaulettes and carrying a tassel riding crop, and he isn't yet, so calm down. If he was a dictator, Biden's speeches would look like Nuremberg rallies, a blood red backdrop, armed soldiers by his side, screaming about crushing his eternal enemies. Honestly, Biden did come close to that one time last September at a speech in Philadelphia, but it wasn't in any sense, dictatory, dictator y. It was necessary.
As MSNBC assures at the time, quote, Biden aimed to showcase his faith in the military apparatus and its ability to back the democratic order. See, it was about democracy, not dictatorship. No cause for alarm. He is not a dictator. A dictator would stockpile ammunition for his own bureaucrats, including his tax collectors.
He'd redefine the legal code to make disloyalty to the regime the most serious crime. He claimed dominion over the most intimate parts of his citizens' lives. He defined what attitudes they were allowed to have about sex and religion and how to raise their families. He would even, in his final grandiose stage of dictatorship, claim ownership of their children, and Joe Biden wouldn't do that. And to prove he would never do that, Biden just this week released this video.
Speaker 2: These are our kids. These are our neighbors. Not somebody else's kids. They're all our kids, and our children are the kite strings that hold our national ambitions aloft. It matters a great deal how we treat everyone in this country.
LGBTQ Americans, especially children, you're loved, you're heard, and this administration has your back.
Speaker 0: See? Joe Biden isn't saying your children belong to him like a dictator would. He's saying something very different from that. He's saying America's children are quote our children, not his alone, ours. You share your children with Joe Biden evenly right down the middle with alternating weekends.
You've got joint custody with Joe Biden, and you can thank heaven that you do. A nation is like a family. Every family has a head, a father. That's Joe Biden, our nation's father. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is now his fatherland.
Just don't call it a dictatorship, or we'll have to issue a statement disavowing you. John Muir people say the
Speaker 1: news is full of lies. On Kennedy's motorcade. 139 people. The death of Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 0: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can't do this. I can't do this. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm a man of god. I can't do this. Yeah. I love those people.
I pray for them. I will never do anything to hurt them or condemn them, but men are not supposed to dress like women. I'm not gonna go can go along with that. It's time to stand up and be a man of god.
@stkirsch - Steve Kirsch
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Steve Kirsch Makes Major Announcement: New Zealand Covid Whistleblower Biggest Bombshell Yet!
Steve Kirsch of https://stevekirsch.substack.com/ joins The Alex Jones Show to break down the major bombshell dropped by a New Zealand whistleblower exposing mass death from the COVID shots.
Learn more here:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/bombshell-new-zealand-whistleblower-reveals-over-20-who-took-pfizer-jab-died/
https://www.infowars.com/posts/covid-vaccine-may-cause-long-term-heart-damage-even-in-people-with-no-symptoms/
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Tucker Carlson highlights the misrepresentation of historical events, such as the Kennedy assassination and 9/11, and questions the government's knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack. He believes these inaccuracies have shaped our understanding of history. This raises ethical concerns about decision-making. Matt, who is grateful for the grassroots effort that led to his content being shared with Tucker Carlson, invites others to join the conversation and engage with like-minded individuals in the Free Thinker Community.
@UngaTheGreat - UngaTheGreat
Tucker Carlson: ‘A Lot of Lying’ in Major Historical Events Tucker Carlson discusses the frequent misrepresentation of significant events, such as the Kennedy assassination and 9/11, and how these inaccuracies have changed our view of history. “I’m embarrassed to say I sort of bought the conventional view of most things up until several years ago,” Tucker points out how the U.S. government knew about the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened but did nothing to stop it. “I think it’s really clear...the U.S. government knew or had an understanding, there was a very high likelihood that our Pacific fleet would be hit,” He argues that the government let Pearl Harbor happen on purpose to make the United States join World War II. “… that’s a monstrous crime, you should never allow your countrymen to be killed. I just can’t even imagine that.” Tucker views this as a serious betrayal, raising ethical concerns about such decision-making. @MattAttack009_ @TCNetwork
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The speaker discusses their shift in perspective on conspiracy theories and their belief that many major historical events have been distorted by lies. They mention the Kennedy assassination, 9/11, and the attack on Pearl Harbor as examples. They express concern over the US government's alleged knowledge and allowance of the Pearl Harbor attack, leading to the death and capture of servicemen. They question how President Roosevelt could live with such actions and emphasize the need to reconsider our relationship with the state. The speaker finds this topic important and believes there is evidence to support their claims.
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Speaker 0: Yes. Of course.
Speaker 1: Of all the conspiracies out there in the world, all the conspiracy theories, And even if maybe it's one that's not provable, but something you think about, which one's your favorite rabbit hole to go down?
Speaker 0: Well, it's funny. You know? I I I'm embarrassed to say I sort of bought the conventional view of most things up until several years ago when the evidence just, you know, forced me, to reassess because it was just so obvious that there was a lot of lying going on, A lot. And I have since become convinced based on, overwhelming amount of evidence that a lot of the biggest stories in certainly last 100 years, maybe longer, have been really distorted. Like, we don't actually know, what happened, but we know that people have been lying about it consistently, and then those lies solidify into history and if they're not questioned by anybody.
So, I mean, I could go down a long list. It's not just the Kennedy assassination or 911, both of which are you know, clearly, there's a lot going on there in both cases. You know, I'm really bothered, honestly, by the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. I think it's really clear, both common sense dictates, but also there was a senate inquiry into it during the Second World War, which is kinda suppressed Because the war was on. But the fact that the US government knew or had an understanding, there was a very high likelihood that Our Pacific fleet would be hit and 1,000 would die in Pearl Harbor Japan I mean, Pearl Harbor Hawaii by Japan.
They allowed that. And then they allowed all the, you know, US servicemen in the Philippines, in Corregidor, and Manila to be killed and captured, which they were. I mean, they actually Roosevelt and His war staff, war planning staff allowed that to happen. I think it's clear. And that's a monstrous crime.
You should never allow your countrymen to be killed. I just can't even imagine that. And I'm sure that Roosevelt, I have no doubt, told himself, you know, we're doing this for a higher good, and they wanted to get involved in the war in Europe. They needed It couldn't be a voluntary war. We had to be responding to an attack, and, clearly, they allowed that.
And I don't I can't imagine how Roosevelt lived with himself. He didn't live much longer, actually. And I and I'm I just think it's a really big deal. If the US government would do that or a president would do that, Like, we need to rethink our relationship to the state. I in my opinion, no one ever talks about that, but I think it's entirely real.
And there's a lot of evidence that it is. So, yeah, I'm interested in that.
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@MattAttack009_ - Matt Kim
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@RealAlexJones - Alex Jones
» It's Time To Unite Joe Rogan Was Right, Alex Jones Was Right, Tucker Carlson Was Right! @TheClayClark @joerogan @TuckerCarlson https://t.co/y3ZBihPQpu
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The speaker expresses belief that globalists did not anticipate figures like General Flynn, Alex Jones, and Tucker Carlson taking a stand. They share a story about conservatives initially concerned about Jones and Eric Trump speaking at an event. The speaker emphasizes that attempts to demonize these individuals and divide people have failed. They see a united group rising up to save America, comparing it to Jesus and his apostles. The speaker acknowledges the anointing and appointment of Jones and Flynn, with pastors now recognizing their truthfulness. They encourage unity and highlight Infowars as a source of truth amidst other networks' lies.
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Speaker 0: I just believe that the globalist did not account on people like general Flynn, like Alex Jones to be, doing what you're doing today. People like Tucker Carlson. I just wanna tell you a fun a funny story, Alex, that involves you. We were at one of the Reawaken America tour events, and, somebody said, Alex Jones is gonna speak on your stage. This is in Texas, and you were in town.
And I said, absolutely. If Alex is backstage, let's get him on let's get get him on stage. And, you wouldn't believe how many people that were conservatives were so concerned Alex Jones was gonna be on stage. And then general Flynn, you've seen this the moment that Eric Trump joined the tour. So many conservatives said, you you're gonna allow Eric Trump on your stage?
That's gonna divide the room. And all I can tell you is they've tried to demonize you. They've tried to demonize the Trump family. They've tried if they tried to demonize general Flynn, they tried to demonize all these different groups of people. What's happening is as we all seek the truth because this because the the truth will set us free, we've all run into each other.
And so these walls of division are being broken down, and I really do see a group of people right now rising up the most, sport to save America. They're all uniting. They're all coming together. And just like Jesus with his apostles, they didn't seem like the most likely of characters, but Saul used to round up Christians and feed them to lions, and then he changed his name to Paul after God revealed himself, and he wrote 13 books of the bible. And so I'm just super honored to be here with you guys, and I just wanna say this.
I am just so honored to be with you guys, but I know, Alex, that you're anointed. I I know general Flynn that you're anointed. You're appointed for this time, and God's using you in the most unlikely ways. And so many of these pastors I've met along the way that won't speak up, They're now calling me going, general Flynn was right. Alex Jones was right.
Tucker Carlson was right. Joe Rogan was right. And so I just encourage everybody out there, if you if it it's time to unite. While other networks lie to you about what's happening now, Infowars tells you The truth about what's happening next.
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The speaker discusses the difference between capitalism, socialism, and communism, as well as right-wing and left-wing ideologies. They explain that the far right advocates for minimal government control, while the far left believes in total government control. They also mention that the United States is a republic, not a democracy, and highlight the dangers of democracies and their potential to oppress minorities. The speaker argues that communism fails because of human greed, while socialism often leads to dictatorial governments. They criticize socialists as dependent individuals who rely on the government for their needs. The conversation concludes with a mention of the push for national healthcare in the United States.
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Speaker 0: So, the green movement worldwide is now from manipulation of now it's been proposed time and again too that big businesses behind things like this and that would represent a capitalist approach, but what you're saying is we're heading toward a socialist approach based on by this scenario.
Speaker 1: You have to understand the difference between capitalism, socialism, communism, what all of these things really mean. You have to understand what the difference is between right wing and left wing. People, They use these phrases all the time and they don't even know what these things mean. And it's just incredible to me to hear a socialist calling someone else a Nazi Because Nazi means national socialism. So, here's a socialist calling a right wing guy a Nazi What he should be calling the right wing guy is anarchist.
People on the right want no control. They're really anarchists.
Speaker 0: So, they would in theory then or in fact be in opposition to this ultimate movement. Whereas in appearance, they would be the ones behind it.
Speaker 1: Well, when you have a misunderstanding what the terms mean, yes.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: Right wing On the far right, there's total anarchy. They don't want anybody controlling anything that they do and they believe that people are responsible enough that the world can exist without government. Are the very minimal government that it would take to on the far left, on the other hand, they believe that the government should be in total control and should be Supply man with all of his needs.
Speaker 0: Well, creating a whole society that's dependent.
Speaker 1: Right. A republic is somewhere in the middle. It's governance by laws. Laws are decided by representatives who are elected by the people. And according to the theory, the representatives will do what is right whether they get elected or not because it's not really a democracy.
A democracy is far left. People don't understand. We don't live in a democracy. This country is not a democracy, it is a republic. A democracy is ruled by the mob.
The mob always votes themselves every kind of benefit that they can vote themselves. And whenever you do that it means large tremendously. Overpowering government in control.
Speaker 0: They vote themselves into dependency.
Speaker 1: That's it. They vote themselves into a dictatorship CHIP is what they do where they lose all of the benefits that they tend to devote themselves into in the 1st place.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And democracies are extremely dangerous to minorities Because if the majority of people don't like
Speaker 0: you,
Speaker 1: they're going to vote that they kill you and that's it. Democracies are dangerous. Democracies are socialists. Democracies are communism. That's what communism is.
The definition of communism Is everybody doing according to their talents and receiving according to their need? And it doesn't work. We already know it doesn't work. Men, by his inherent nature, as greedy. Mhmm.
So those at the top always end up having everything and those at the bottom end up having nothing in communism. Socialism is different. Socialism usually ends up in a dictatorship. In a very controlling dictatorial government, which It even owns the people that it governs. So, that those who live in fear of not having are provided for what they need and in turn They worship this oppressive government.
Socialists are children who went out into the world, took a look around and said, I can't handle it, and went home to daddy. Okay. Daddy, protect me. Daddy, feed me. Daddy, loan me your car.
Daddy, tuck me in at night. Socialists are scared little children who are irresponsible, can't stand on their own 2 feet, and need daddy to take care of them.
Speaker 0: Okay. Okay. But
Speaker 1: what happens when you go home to daddy and daddy does all these things for you? Tell me.
Speaker 0: Well, you never leave the home. You've got no reason to. In other words, if you're being provided for in that way.
Speaker 1: You're being provided for, but what does it mean? Doesn't it mean that you have to do what daddy tells you to do?
Speaker 0: True.
Speaker 1: Hearing that you when daddy tells you to be in? Doesn't it mean that you can't drive the car to the next town that daddy tells you you can't? Doesn't it mean that if daddy tells you to take out the trash, you better take out the trash? Are you beginning to understand the concept? When you ask for favors from daddy, you have to give up freedom in return.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, socialism always leads to repression of liberty, freedom, equality, all of those things fly out the window So that you can have free healthcare. Mhmm. So that you can have a place to live, but you don't have to pay the rent. So that you can have food given to you by the state.
And that's where we're headed. Right in this country right now, we're almost totally socialist and now people are screening for a national healthcare policy. Right. Healthcare insurance.
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In this Joe Rogan podcast episode, the speakers cover a wide range of topics. They begin by discussing the recently released Project Aqua information by the US government, debating the origins and nature of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) and their potential threat to humanity. They explore the possibility of these UAPs being spiritual or supernatural entities rather than extraterrestrial beings. The conversation then shifts to the implications of advanced artificial intelligence (AI) and the potential dangers it poses to humanity. Throughout the discussion, the speakers emphasize the need for caution and humility when dealing with these complex and unknown phenomena.
The conversation then moves on to various other topics. They express frustration with the lack of honesty and reason in public discourse, touching on subjects such as slavery, nuclear weapons, the theory of evolution, and the current state of media and politics. They highlight the importance of truth and integrity in society, as well as the value of difficult experiences and the role of religion.
The speakers also discuss the former White House press secretary, the state of journalism, creativity in comedy, and the importance of free speech. They criticize the lack of honesty and integrity in politics and media, emphasizing the need for open dialogue and the protection of individual rights. They express concern about the distortion of truth and the manipulation of public opinion for political agendas.
Power dynamics between different groups, accusations of taking money from Russia, the importance of protecting the weak, and the decline of creativity in the United States are also touched upon. The rise of podcasts and the ability to have long-form conversations that challenge traditional media narratives are discussed. The speakers share personal experiences with the Grateful Dead, highlighting the value of human connection and the importance of listening to different perspectives. They stress the need for open conversations with people who have different opinions and caution against name-calling and censorship.
The video also delves into topics such as the accuracy of predictions made by Alex Jones, the existence of supernatural phenomena, the role of the media in supporting government narratives, and the suspicious circumstances surrounding events like 9/11 and the Watergate scandal. The speakers question the motives behind these events and highlight the lack of transparency and accountability in government actions. They touch on the influence of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, as well as the erosion of privacy and the powerlessness of individuals in the face of government surveillance.
Lastly, the conversation covers the JFK assassination, government surveillance, and power dynamics within organizations. They mention Nixon's knowledge of JFK's assassination, Trump's decision not to release JFK files, and the involvement of the CIA. The erosion of privacy rights and the vulnerability of weak leaders to evil influences are discussed. The speakers express their concerns about government overreach and emphasize the importance of demanding a more accountable and transparent system.
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Speaker 0: Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Did you see the US government just released, apparently, by accident, the Project Aqua stuff.
Did you see this?
Speaker 1: No. What's that? Should we
Speaker 0: start This is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess we're rolling. Are we rolling? Yeah.
Speaker 0: I can wait so we can No. No. No. You can this is just someone just sent me this. This is
Speaker 1: project Aqua.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Hold on. I'll they just released, I think, by accident
Speaker 1: How's that happen?
Speaker 0: It's Kona Blue. You familiar with this? No. Kona Blue is a, it was a program that yeah. Dude, they I'm gonna send this to Homeland Security just released this.
Speaker 1: Send it
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to Jamie. And,
Speaker 0: no. I got it right right here. I'll just I don't do email or whatever. I don't know how to air drop anything.
Speaker 1: You don't do email? No.
Speaker 2: I haven't
Speaker 1: done email in many years. Really? Yeah. How do you exist?
Speaker 0: I do text.
Speaker 1: Wow. Just text?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I don't do email. I don't go on the fucking Internet and on the TV. I'm not into that. But anyway, no.
That stuff is bad, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess.
Speaker 0: That's my isolation tank. I just stay away from that shit.
Speaker 1: But anyway That's smart. Did you text it to me?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I did. I think I did.
Speaker 1: It didn't get to me.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It just sent to you know, it's a big thing. Okay. So this is so amazing. So this is in there.
They're talking about this, and this was just released. We're talking about setting up this program, Kona Blue.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it.
Speaker 0: This is like a UAP program of some sort? Yeah. The medical division will have a small team of medical analysts under the direction of the chief physician and deputy administrator. They will organize data into a threat analysis based on medical findings including but not limited to A, deaths and injuries as a result of other anomalies, c, collateral injuries, psychological effects to family members. So they're admitting that people are dying.
It's just like a tweet from yes. Oh.
Speaker 1: Is this it?
Speaker 0: Yeah. What does
Speaker 1: that mean? Do you ever wonder if stuff like this is just disinformation?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Maybe. I mean, I I wonder if I wonder a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do,
Speaker 0: but
Speaker 1: I would as I always I was always assume that a lot of this stuff is nonsense.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Here's what we know is that US servicemen have died as a result of contact with or being in proximity of these vehicles. And we know that because there are a lot of suits working their way through the VA system Yeah. Where families, you know, can't get compensated for the deaths or injuries to loved ones.
Speaker 1: Because it's all under wraps top secret.
Speaker 0: Well, that's just that's just a fact. Okay. That that is happening. So if there's I guess, you know, when there are measurable physical effects of a phenomenon, we can say conclusively the phenomenon is real.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And, so yeah. But I mean It is I mean, I guess we're sort of past the point of, like, is it real? Yeah. It's real.
Speaker 1: It's it's real in that there's these things that are moving in very bizarre ways and they have these propulsion systems that violate what we know about propulsion systems. Retrieving data across dimensional space time, develop remote viewing comms, and count countermeasures, determine baseline for physical transport across dimensional space time barrier, rapid response medical teams for UFO interaction events. So how did they do this accidentally? Study conscious interactions with and control of technology.
Speaker 0: So I got this from someone in the US government who's who's who's well well, look, let me let me just start by saying that, you know, I don't know anything, but he sent me this. The above is a 100% legit. I was read into this program, but told never to tell anyone. It's now been released. As you can see, it began as a result of my old program, AATIP.
I signed a document saying I would never talk about Kona Blue and similar efforts. I can't believe that AARO would have released it. I I you know? Yeah. I mean, here's what we do know is that there's enough going on in the skies, but not just the skies, underwater that you the US military has been forced to respond to it.
So, like, move aircraft from one place to another because there are too many of these objects in the sky. That's actually hap Chris Mellon just wrote a long piece about it. So it's real. The government is not controlling it. In fact, it's forcing the government DOD to respond, and we know that there is a a real effort and has been underway for a long time to to keep the public from knowing about it.
But that's all known. That's established. I don't think any rational person would deny that. The question is, like, what is it actually? I mean, now is sort of like you have to ask, like, what is this?
And, you know, so that's How much of it
Speaker 1: do you think is ours?
Speaker 0: Well, none of it's ours.
Speaker 1: None of it?
Speaker 0: Well, I don't know. I mean, clearly, you know, the US government is huge. It's the largest human organization. There are I think then I think there are 2,000,000 federal employees and another 10,000,000 federal contractors. So who are effectively government employees but don't have civil service protection, for example.
So that's 12,000,000 people in a country of 340,000,000 working for the federal government. So it's kinda hard to overstate how big the federal government is and how well funded. And so to say the government this, the government that, no. Of course, it's people within the government. But, yeah, they're working on all kinds of things, obviously, that are classified.
But in general, no. They they can't control these objects. So, no, it's not American technology. Well, or Russian or Chinese. It predates, you know, all of that.
Speaker 1: Well, some of it does. Right? Like, for sure, the Kenneth Arnold sightings, that was really early on. That was, like, 19 early 19 fifties. He was seeing these flying saucers, these discs that were moving over mountains.
Speaker 0: Well, right. I mean, the prophet Ezekiel writes about
Speaker 2: it in
Speaker 0: the first chapter, wheels in the sky.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a crazy one. Boy, when you
Speaker 0: read that crazy. If you if you read it, it's like, oh, wow. Yeah. You know? And A way with that And not just, you know, the Hebrew scriptures, like, it's all over every
Speaker 1: Mhmm. The Vedic text.
Speaker 0: Of course. Mhmm. So these are spiritual phenomenon. There's no evidence they're from another planet. I mean, I think that's the op, that's the lie that they're from Mars.
Look, Space, the atmosphere is really well monitored. Right? Both for military for defense reasons, but also because, like, it'd be nice to know when asteroids are coming. And there's no evidence, has never been any evidence that there are lots of these objects, these vehicles coming into our atmosphere from somewhere else, some other planet. There's no evidence of that at all.
So they're from here, and they've been here for 1000 of years, whatever they are. And, it's pretty clear to me that they're spiritual entities, whatever that means, are supernatural and which is to say supernatural means above the natural above the observable, nature. And, they don't behave according to the laws of science as as measured by people, you know, and, and they've been here for a long time. And there's a ton of evidence there under the ocean and under the ground. So, like, with that fact set, what do you conclude?
Speaker 1: When did you start having this opinion that they they were spiritual and that they've always been here? But when when did this
Speaker 0: Well, I didn't know anything about the topic until 2017. And was Was that after
Speaker 1: the New York Times piece?
Speaker 0: No. It was before. It was before. And the things that I saw I mean, I was and am still a very conventional person. I mean, I'm 54.
I grew up in this country in California, which was like like every assumption about America, I bought completely, just completely, and I thought that everyone who questioned those assumptions was bad. I just bought into the system completely without even thinking about it, and I imagined that I was, like, some kind of free thinker and, you know, I'm going against the grain, but, like, the core my core assumptions were the, you know, the assumptions fed to me by the culture and the government, and I didn't even realize it. But, anyway, I'd never really thought about UFOs at all, and I've been in journalism since I was a kid. So, of course, I'd run into a lot of people who had crazy views on a lot of different topics, UFOs, 911, circumcision, you know, like, every whack job in the world you run into when you're covering stuff.
Speaker 1: Fluoride.
Speaker 3: Fluoride. Right.
Speaker 0: I just brushed with non fluoride toothpaste this morning. Me too. Exactly. But probably unlike you, I didn't have any opinions like that. I was like, fluoride, come on.
You know? 911. Shut up. Yeah. UFOs, you're fucking crazy.
You know what I mean? I just like, I had this reflex. I'm ashamed of it. I'm not bragging about it. But, but it was it was 2017, and, really, it was the Trump campaign.
It wasn't that I was, like, so in love with Trump, though I've always liked Trump because he was hilarious and charming and all that, but I wasn't like a Trumper or anything. But it was watching that campaign and particularly his claim that they were spying on him. And I was like, really? You're not the the intel services and federal law enforcement, FBI do not spy on presidential campaigns. Like, that's so out of the realm.
That's so crazy. Like, that could never happen because, of course, there's no democracy in a system like that. And, fundamentally, we're a democracy, an imperfect one, it kind of lumbers along, you know, but, like, it's not fake. And then that turned out to be true, and I and I knew it was true. And that just blew my mind.
So I began a process still ongoing of reassessing a lot of other things. Like, okay. Well, if that was not true, what else is not true? And what else that they told me was a conspiracy theory might actually have some basis in fact. And, and then someone from, you know, a DOD employee reached out to me and said, actually, there's a ton of evidence that this UFO thing is real.
And really? And so I started doing segments on it, when I worked at at the TV channel. And there was like a lot of mockery, but I was like, I don't care. I'm just gonna do this. And then of course, the second you start as you know better than anybody, you start talking about something then people reach out to you and some of them are deranged, but some of them aren't at all.
So I just started getting a lot of information from people and meeting with people mostly in private, you know, come to my house. Let's talk. And and I decided on the basis of what they told me, and then I talked to a lot of people about it, that actually this is really a very heavy duty question. Actually, it's not just it's not the little green men question. It's like a much bigger question.
And it's really bad. It's really dark. And and then I stopped. Then I was like, I don't wanna know anymore because it's not helping me, at all as a person, and I
Speaker 2: don't know. What
Speaker 1: what information did you get that made you feel like it's dark?
Speaker 0: What's so dark? Well, first of all, the deception is always bad. Like, lying is bad in it. And it's bad not just in a legal sense in that it can be illegal to lie, but it's bad it's, like, bad for you. Like, it rots you.
Like, being a liar makes you a bad person. When you lie, you are serving evil. There's a moral quality to it that's inescapable and very obvious and only like advanced advanced civilizations ignore that. Lying is bad and so if you have lying at scale which we have on this topic, it's inherently bad. Okay.
So that's the first level. The deeper level is what are okay. So if they're spiritual beings which I believe they are like, it's a binary. They're either, you know, if you're on team good or team bad, you can assign any name to it you want, but, like, what are these things? Are they good or bad?
And, and I think some of them are bad. And if the US government knows that or elements the people within the US government know that, then, you know, then they're serving a bad force. And Well,
Speaker 1: when you say spiritual, like, what what makes you draw that conclusion that they're spiritual?
Speaker 0: What's the I mean, spiritual may be the wrong word, supernatural. You know, they're beyond nature as we understand it. I mean, obviously, they are. I mean, just chart their physical behavior. It doesn't, you know, it goes outside of what we understand about physics.
No visible means of propulsion, you know, coming at indescribable speed hitting the ocean continuing at speeds that are impossible undersea. I mean, in other words, if I if I take a, you know, 9 millimeter router 762 by 39 and shoots you at 50 yards underwater in a swimming pool, and it's even more intense in saltwater because it's denser, you could catch the bullet if it even makes it to you. Right? So if you have a craft, any object underwater that's traveling at 500 knots as measured by sonar, right there, you're challenging our understanding of physics. Like, what is that?
How can that be? So Yep. They've they've
Speaker 1: tracked that. They've tracked things going 500 knots under the sea.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Really. Yeah. Much much faster than any object could can actually go under under sea. Yo, for sure.
Oh, yeah. There's a lot of stuff going on underwater and, a lot and there's video of these things coming out of the sky into the water and also emerging from the water.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. So It's all so blurry though.
Speaker 2: I don't
Speaker 1: think it's that Transmedium video?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I don't think some of it's that blurry. I think some of it's crystal clear.
Speaker 1: We just don't have access to it. Is that what you mean? Yeah. Just we haven't seen it. Correct.
So they have some stuff. For sure.
Speaker 0: So but there's just a lot going on underwater, and it's it's measured. And so whatever. I mean, these are all again, this is, like, the most obvious observable level of it, but then you just ask yourself, like, what is this, actually? And, you know, if there's been extensive knowledge of this for decades, like maybe 80 years at least, if not going back to the thirties, 90 years, you know, to what to what end? So there are 2 possible explanations, obvious explanations.
The first is the one you often hear, which is this is so heavy that if the public were to know about it, it would be just disruptive. It'd be too scary. Like, you don't wanna scare people for no good reason. There's nothing we can do about it. And you also don't wanna suggest that, you know, the US military isn't capable of protecting the country, the homeland, and it does suggest that.
If you can't control these objects in your airspace and that's known, if they can't, that's known. Okay? Then that's just a limit to the power of the US military and you don't want to tell people that because then they, like, won't believe that they're safe. I get it. But then there's a deeper level, which is like, okay.
What's your relationship with these things? What is the US government's relationship with these things? And there's evidence that there is a relationship and that it's a long standing and that raises like a lot of questions about intent. And, and so like what is that? And I just personally decided, you know, and and people have been hurt by these things.
You know, that's a fact. That's a fact. It's a knowable fact. It's a provable fact and killed. And I'm not saying millions of people have been killed by whatever these things are, but people have been killed, and it's known because it's working its way through the courts, out of the VA.
So, I don't know. An an object that is by definition supernatural. It's above the laws of nature as we understand them, and that has resulted in the deaths of people. We don't spend enough time thinking about, like, what that adds up to. Like, not good, actually.
Not good.
Speaker 1: How many people do you think have died from these sickness?
Speaker 0: I don't know, but, I mean, I
Speaker 1: And is it radiation sickness? Is it, like, what it what is what's the cost
Speaker 2: of death?
Speaker 0: That I talked to I interviewed someone who was a Stanford medical school professor who's who's out there and worth talking to, by the way. And,
Speaker 1: Talking about Gary Nolan?
Speaker 0: That's exactly who I'm talking about. I was effectively an expert witness in these cases, so he's an expert in brain injury. Do you know him? Yeah. Yeah.
Entirely credible person. Checks all the boxes that I care about. He's he's got patents, so he's like a lot of Stanford University because he's like independently rich. He flew to I live in a remote place and he flew to my place at his own expense because he wanted to tell a story. So he he's got no profit motive here.
He's the most highly credentialed person at the university practically, Stanford Medical School. We consider that a big deal. And he's worked on this for, you know, over 10 years, assessing the injuries to US servicemen from being in close proximity to these objects or having contact with these objects. And his conclusion is, you know, because you've talked to him, is there's some kind of energy coming off here that scrambles people's brains or kills them. And it's not exactly radiation, at least in his telling to me.
So, anyway but the point is people have died. Yeah. And so, you know, it it it does raise a lot of a lot of questions about, like, what the hell. Right? What the hell?
American citizens have died, and you're hiding it. Why are you hiding that? Why would you hide that?
Speaker 1: Perhaps because they don't have any explanations. Because they they're it's so beyond our comprehension that they're still trying to piece it together. Like, I would wonder how much interaction they really do have with these things. Like, if I was from another planet or if I was some interdimensional being, I don't know how much I'd give a shit about the president. I don't know how much I'd give a shit about the government.
I would probably look at this infantile race, this species, this bizarre territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons, this very weird species. I'd probably look at them as very chaotic and, I wouldn't really have much concern for who's running it. Especially if they have the ability to travel at insane speeds and go undetected and
Speaker 0: Well, it depends. Like, that okay. So the template that you're using to understand this is like science fiction. Right? These are an advanced race of beings from somewhere else.
But the temple that every other society before us has used is a spiritual one. Mhmm. There is a whole world that we can't see that acts on people, a supernatural world that's acting on us all the time for good and bad. Every society has thought this before ours. In fact, every society in all recorded history has thought that until, I'll be specific, August 1945 when we dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And all of a sudden, the west is just officially secular. We're god. There is no god but us. And that's the world that we have grown up in, but that's an anomaly. Like, no one else has ever thought that.
There's never been a society that thought that. Every other society has assumed, and they've had all kinds of different explanations and the details differ, but the core idea does not differ and never has differed from caves until now that we're being acted on by spiritual forces at all times. And so to someone born before or living before 1945, I think it would have been much more obvious that this is the thing that every society has written about. And, in fact, that battle, that unseen battle around us, that spiritual battle has, like, been the basis of of every society, of every rule every religion, not just Christianity. So, like, it just once you discard your very, very recent assumptions, relatively speaking, about how the world works, you're like, well, that kinda seems like the obvious explanation.
Right?
Speaker 1: It's not that obvious to me.
Speaker 0: So what's what's more obvious, do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, I I I don't think there's an obvious explanation. I think, if I had to guess, some of this stuff is ours, and some of these things are propulsion systems that they theorized way back in the 19 fifties, anti gravity propulsion systems, things that can operate without igniting fuel and pushing something out that they operate in some completely different way that utilizes gravity and almost can instantaneously transport to new places, essentially fold space time. I don't know so there there's there's things that the government does where they have these programs and the people that are sworn into these programs, whether they're the physicists or, you know, the metallurgists or whoever these people are that are working on these programs, they don't tell anybody. All their phones are monitored, everything's monitored, there's a there's a culture of secratism that's pretty intense and it's not inconceivable that over the course of the last 70 plus years of them theorizing and then eventually implementing some of these things, that they've developed drones that can move in ways that this the conventional the people that understand conventional propulsion systems could not imagine, and that they figured out a way to do this and to keep it secret, and we're probably not the only ones working on these things.
But where did they get that information? And, you know, you know Diana Posulka? Do you know her work? They they describe these crafts, these crash crafts as donations, which is fascinating. They're like that They're left there.
The crashed retrieval program, the crashed UAP retrieval program is essentially they're going, like, figure this out. We're gonna crash this thing here and you figure this out. And the question is, if that's true, okay, where are these things coming from? Are they if there's something that is so advanced that it's decided to leave us a little trinket for us to back engineer, Is that from another dimension? Is that from here?
Is that from some realm that we just don't have access to? Is it from another planet? Are we we have drones that are on other planets right now. We have a drone on Mars. We have, you know, the lunar rovers.
We have satellites that we send to observe and photograph other planets. We just got really high detailed photographs of Jupiter. They're pretty amazing. But if something was like us on another planet and but lived uninterrupted with technology advancing for a 1000 years, 10000 years, a 1000000 years more than us. What would that be like?
And how much would we be able to understand of what we're seeing? What would be what would be we'd be able to see? And this idea that we monitor our skies, sure. But if something just appears and disappears essentially instantaneously, if something literally can fold time, can fold space and just traverse between immense distances almost instantaneously. What are we gonna see?
What are we gonna see? And also, like, what kind of detection systems do we have? We have radar, we have visual, we have, a bunch of different military based detection systems to look out for. Enemy crafts and airships and all that stuff. But if you're dealing with something that's a a 1000000 years more advanced than us, how much would we we'd be able to detect?
Speaker 0: Well, so I I think we're pointing to the same question. I mean, I have no doubt that the US government has technology that we don't know the details of. That makes sense. Sure. But, like, where did it come from?
Right. I'm not even sure if this is a separate question, but related, how should we really know where nuclear technology came from, actually, when you Really? Yes.
Speaker 1: Like the Manhattan Project?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like, we know the Manhattan, and we know something about the Manhattan Project, but, like, where exactly did that you know, came from Germany. German scientists were working on it. Okay. The one per well, it's a separate conversation.
But the one person I know who's really pushed it was writing a book on it, he was a trustworthy person and a friend of mine, I know you know him, said to me, actually, I've spent a year working on this, and I one of the closer I got to, like, okay. But what's the genesis? Like, where did where did this? What was the what was the Isaac Newton apple on the head, oh, gravity's real moment for fission? Not clear.
Weird. I don't know the answer. But but here's the point. Clearly, government has technology that we don't we're not read in on. Right.
Speaker 2: Of
Speaker 0: course. But so that doesn't answer the question, why have people seen these objects in the skies for 1000 of years
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Confirmed and what are they? And maybe they're from another planet. I'm my only point is there's no evidence of that. There's a huge amount, a massive corpus of evidence that they're seen by people in our atmosphere, you know, on Earth looking up or in a submarine looking out. And what is that?
And by the way, to your point, like, we can't see them coming into our atmosphere because they don't want to be seen. Well, then why do they wanna be seen by people on earth? Like, if they if the technology is that advanced, and clearly it is, why do they make themselves visible in the first place?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when we study primates, one of the things that we do have you do you ever watch, Chimp Nation on
Speaker 0: No. Netflix? TV, but I like the sound of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing documentary on Netflix that details these embedded scientists, in the Congo. And what's really fascinating about it is that this group of scientists or, you know, related scientists have been there for 20 plus years. So these chimps have become entirely, accustomed
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: To having human beings near them. So there's very specific rules. You stay within 20 yards of them. You if they come closer, you back up. You never have food ever.
You can't bring any food there because they'll they'll fuck you up and just steal your food. If they find out you
Speaker 0: have food And they're from your You're in
Speaker 1: real trouble. Oh, yeah. They tear you apart. And they kill each other, so they'll they'll definitely kill you. And so when they have done this, the chimps have become accustomed to them being there and the chimps behave completely normally.
The chimps see them as just an innocuous part of their environment. They're not food and they're not enemy. They don't ever intrude. They don't try to challenge them. They don't make eye contact.
So they don't worry about the people at all. So they behave completely like chimps. And if I was an advanced species and I was studying people and I wanted the human beings to eventually kind of catch up. Right? Like, you're introducing technology that they call donations, crash vehicles.
Figure out what fiber optics are. Here you go. Check this out. Figure this out. Try to figure that out.
Maybe it'll take you decades. Maybe it'll take you more. But you are accelerating the technological evolution of this advanced species on this planet. And one way to do that would be
Speaker 0: For what purpose, I wonder?
Speaker 1: Well, that's a very good question. My my belief is that biological intelligent life is essentially a caterpillar, and it's a caterpillar that's making a cocoon. And it doesn't even know why it's doing it, it's just doing it, and that cocoon is gonna give birth to artificial life, digital life. It's gonna give birth to a new life form. I think we're real close to that.
I think we're way closer than that to that than most people would ever wanna be. I
Speaker 0: agree. And I think But can we assign a, like, a value to that? Is that good or bad?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. It depend universally, I think it's the path. I think it's what happens. I think what this thing is, if if you extrapolate, if you take the concept of a sentient artificial intelligence that has the ability to utilize all the information that every human being has on Earth at a level of computing that's far beyond the capabilities of the human mind, and all of our supercomputers that currently exist because it'll design much better computers, It'll use quantum computers. It'll have the ability to recode things and change things.
It'll make better versions of itself. So instead of biological evolution, which is very slow, it takes a long time relatively. It takes it's pretty quick, really, when you think about it. Like, how long it's not that long to go from being a single celled organism to being a human being flying a plane, really, relatively, over the course of a 1000000000 years, if you think about how long the universe have been around. But it's slow compared to technological evolution.
I mean, a 100 years ago, we didn't have shit. And now, we have we could send videos from your phone and it'll hit New Zealand in a second. For sure. It's crazy. The stuff that we have now is beyond imagination.
It's essentially magic for people a 100 years ago. If that keeps going, it's ultimately gonna lead to a life form. And if that life form has now untethered, it has it doesn't have any problems with biological evolution. Now, it's just about information and implementing the technology that's available and then increasing that technology and making it better and better. It essentially becomes a god, because if if you give it enough time, it it it doesn't it has the ability to make better versions of itself which will in turn make better versions of itself.
It has the ability to utilize everything. It has the the the understanding of everything that exists in the universe. It's black holes, dark matter, everything. And it probably has the ability to harness that or even reproduce that. So if we you take artificial sentient intelligence and it has this super accelerated path of technological evolution, and you give artificial general intelligence, sentient artificial intelligence far beyond human beings, you give it a 1000 years alone to to make better and better versions of itself, where does that go?
That goes to a god. It it literally I don't so what kind
Speaker 0: of god? So, like, I I think of it this way. So the first stage of the industrial revolution consists of people building machines that were stronger than the human body. Right. Right?
So the steam powered loom. Sure. The backhoe Combustion engine. Combustion engine. They replace they replace muscles.
Right. Right. So that's what the machine does. It becomes stronger than human body. The second stage, which we're in the middle of, consists of creating machines that are more powerful than the human mind.
That's what computing is, and I would say AI or supercomputing is just that exponentially. Yeah. Yeah. But that doesn't make it a god in the sense that the machine, however powerful it is, any more than a backhoe is a god Mhmm. Because it can dig a trench faster than a 100 men, it it is still something that people created.
So the story hasn't really changed. At the center of the story are people, and their creative power may lead to unintended consequences, but the machines that they build did not make the universe and did not make people. People made the machines. Right. So if and I but I would say the party agree with this.
There's a spiritual component here for sure. People will worship AI as a god. AI, Ted Kaczynski, was likely right, will get away from us. We will be controlled by the thing that we made. All those are bad.
Like, that's just bad, and we need to say unequivocally, it's bad. It's bad to be controlled by machines. Right. Machines are helpmates. Like, they we created them to help us to make our lives better, not to take orders from them.
So I I don't know why we're not having any of these conversations right now. We're just acting as if this is like some kind of virus, like COVID that spreads across the world inexorably. There's nothing we can do about it. Just wait to get it. It's like, no.
If we agree that the outcome is bad, which and specifically, it's bad for people, we should care what's good for people. That's all we should care about. Is it good for people or not? If it's bad for people, then we should strangle it in its crib right now.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And why don't just blow up the data centers? Like, I don't why is that hard? If it's actually going to become what you just described, which is a threat to people, humanity, life, then we have a a moral obligation to murder it immediately. And since it's not alive, we don't need to feel bad about that.
Speaker 1: Well, you could say the same about the atomic bomb. Right?
Speaker 0: Yes, you could.
Speaker 1: And you could say that we have to develop it like Oppenheimer felt before the Nazis did.
Speaker 0: I'd love that.
Speaker 3: How'd that work? How'd that work?
Speaker 2: Well
Speaker 0: I love, by the way, that people on my side I'll just say I'll just admit it. On the right, you know, I have spent the last 80 years defending, dropping nuclear weapons on civilians. Like, are you joking?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: That's just like prima facie evil.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: If you can't well, if we hadn't done that, then this, that, the other thing, that was actually a great savings. Like, no. It's wrong to drop nuclear weapons on people. And if you find yourself arguing that it's a good thing to drop nuclear weapons on people, then you are evil. Like, it's it's not a it's not a tough one.
Right? It's not a hard call for it's not a hard call for me. So with that in mind, like, why would you want nuclear weapons? It's like just a mindless, childish sort of intellectual exercise to justify, like, oh, no. It's really good because someone else is good.
How about no? How about, like, spending all of your effort to prevent this from happening? Would you kill baby Hitler, you know, famously?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: So I don't know why we're sitting back and allowing this to happen if we really believe it will extinguish the human race or enslave the human race? Like, you know, how can that be good?
Speaker 1: Well, if God creates everything, that we are very important because we are very important to us. But are are we very important in the universal sense? Not really. Like, if the Earth just imploded and disappeared, if the sun went supernova and our whole solar system was blown to bits, The universe still exists. It depends how wide your
Speaker 0: for sure. In in our in the end, as Conan O'Brien, the famous philosopher, once said, every grave goes unvisited, which is true, and that's an important perspective. Pull out the lens a little bit. Does it really matter? No.
It doesn't.
Speaker 1: But it does matter.
Speaker 0: Do your kids how about this? Do your children matter?
Speaker 1: Yes. Sure.
Speaker 0: Do their lives matter? Would you die for them? Yeah. Yes. Of course.
Speaker 1: Everything matters. If you're not comfortable, it matters. If you're sitting here, like, you don't wanna wear headphones, like, let's not wear headphones. That matters. Everything matters.
The the I mean, at scale
Speaker 0: But what matters most, like
Speaker 1: Right. Is it that is the evil. Right? The evil is the it's the same thing as saying the necessary evil of dropping nuclear bombs on civilians is if you don't do that, then there'll be more evil. Then more things will happen.
It's kinda the same thing. Like, it doesn't it doesn't Well,
Speaker 0: it comes from the same place, which is hubris. Like, imagining your god, you have unlimited power, and you have omniscience. You can imagine what the future is gonna be. You can't. You're a fucking idiot.
You're a person. Like, you can't even make your wife happy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Like, the limits of your power are really obvious. The limits of your wisdom, same. So, like, don't jump into shit, big things whose outcomes you can't predict with certainty. Like, you can't know. Go in with humility.
I guess that's what I'm saying. Right?
Speaker 1: So Yeah.
Speaker 0: And do what you can knowing that you're probably gonna screw it up and you probably won't achieve your goal, but, like, you should try. And on the AI question, everyone I've ever talked to about I'm hardly an expert. I don't own a computer. Okay? But everybody I've ever talked to and there's many people.
I was like, yeah. It's you know, could get away from us and enslave us. Well, let's say no to slavery. How's that? Is that a tough one?
Not for me. Yeah. I mean and maybe a good use of nuclear weapons would be to hit the data centers. No. I'm I'm sure like, why is that crazy?
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not if you think that human beings are the end of this evolutionary chain.
Speaker 0: What else is? Some supercomputer in a data center outside Dulles Airport? No. I mean, you know what I mean? Like Right.
I don't actually think that individuals I don't think I'm that important. My life is that important. I don't. I will die. I know that, and I try to keep that in mind every day.
Speaker 1: But you're important to everybody that you that cares about you. You're important
Speaker 0: people are important, then what do we think is important? I guess that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily that we don't think people are important, but if if if evolution is real and if there is this constant I don't know. But it's it's it's visible. Like, you can measure it in certain animals.
Speaker 0: You can measure adaptation. Yeah. But there's no evidence that in fact, I think we've kinda given up on the idea of evolution. The theory of evolution is articulated by Darwin. It's, like, kinda not true.
Speaker 1: In what in what sense?
Speaker 0: Well, in the most basic sense, the idea that, you know, all life emerged from a single cell organism and over time, and there would be a fossil record of that, and there's not.
Speaker 1: And There's not a fossil record of, transitionary species, like species that are adapting to its environment and
Speaker 2: they don't
Speaker 0: record of adaptation, and you see it in your own life. I mean, I have a lot of dogs. I I see adaptation in dogs, you know, through the Sure. Litter to litter. But, no, there's no evidence at all that none.
0. That, you know, people, you know, evolve seamlessly from a single cell amoeba. No. There's not. There's not.
There's no chain in the fossil record of that at all. And that's why you don't actually hear people. You hear them make reference to evolution because the theory of adaptation is clearly, obviously true, but Darwin's theory is totally unfair. That's why it's still a theory almost 200 years later. You know?
No. We have not found that at all. And I can't even guess. I mean, I have my own theories on it, but they're not proven.
Speaker 1: What are your theories?
Speaker 0: God created people, you know, distinctly and animals. I mean, I think that's, like I think what every person on Earth thought until the mid 19th century, actually. Right. But that It's
Speaker 3: not a new idea.
Speaker 1: They they didn't have computers. They didn't have a a general understanding that we have today of the process.
Speaker 0: Do you think we understand more now? Yes. Really?
Speaker 1: You don't think that we understand more today?
Speaker 0: Understand way less. We understand so little that we're actually sitting here allowing, like, a bunch of greedy, stupid, childless childless software engineers in Northern California to, like, flirt with the extinction of mankind. So no pre previous generations would be like, what? No. Stop.
And, we're not doing that because
Speaker 1: we know done that even with the nuclear bomb. I mean, obviously, the Manhattan Project was done in secrecy, but they wouldn't have stopped it because the imperative of getting this weapon before Hitler got the weapon was what it Well, it was kind of
Speaker 0: done by then. The Russians had pretty much extinguished any hope that that would continue. But
Speaker 1: But but not But no. But giving
Speaker 0: him You know, we're in the middle of the logic of war.
Speaker 1: I mean, commencement of the Manhattan Project.
Speaker 0: For sure. And but the logic was the same, and it was, you know, 4 years of gotta beat the other guy, got it. And I don't I don't mean to sound too judgmental about the bomb. I know why they built it. Okay?
But you just wonder why nobody in the middle of that thought, is this really a and some of them did think it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did. Yes. They did. Buppenheimer himself.
Speaker 0: Of course. Large organizations don't respond to the moral qualms of individuals very well. So that was whatever. It's it's well known what happened. But, no, we should pause and ask, is the machine we're building worth having?
And nobody seems to do that. And there are all kinds of economic forces which nobody ever mentions that drive that heedlessness, that stupidity. Like, California, for example, is completely the state both of us have lived in, is like like collapsing. Yeah. And they're betting everything on AI for the the tax base is gonna be dependent on this technology working.
Speaker 1: Is that what they're betting on?
Speaker 0: Of course. That that AI is Did
Speaker 1: you see the the the most recent thing about the amount of 1,000,000,000 of dollars they spent on the homeless problem with no trackable results?
Speaker 0: They've had massive results. They've increased the homeless population dramatically. If you pay for something, you get more of it. And that would include fentanyl addicts. Oh, absolutely.
It's been a wild success. I actually talked to Kevin
Speaker 1: Newsome the other day. Did you really?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And,
Speaker 1: what's that like? Does he smell like sulfur?
Speaker 0: It was by phone. I was talking on the phone. Such a weird, you smell like that was
Speaker 1: too fast for me. Sulfur and hair grease. Yeah.
Speaker 0: No. But I was making I was making fun of I shouldn't even make fun of it because it's so tragic. But what's happened to the state and people living on the street?
Speaker 1: What is this non gaslighty perspective?
Speaker 0: He said, go back to Russia. You like Russia so much. I was like, you know, actually, I'm originally from San Francisco, but, I can't live there because He really tells
Speaker 1: you to go back to Russia?
Speaker 0: Course. I mean, he was laughing. Whatever. That's that's that's He's a perfectly charming guy. They all are in person.
Of course. Anyway, my I'm so far afield. But my point is AI is being driven by the greed of politicians to some extent, and you'll notice that AI, by the way, as a fact, those data centers that drive our digital life, which is not life, it's actually death mostly, but, I mean, they're the biggest power draw. I mean, what will how much electricity does AI require, like, more than countries? Mhmm.
Our grid can't handle AI just as a practical matter.
Speaker 1: Well, our grid can't handle electric cars.
Speaker 0: Well, it can't handle air conditioning in the state of California where I'm from. So right. You live east of I 5 where it's really hot and you're not getting those ocean breezes like your air we they have brownouts like in South Africa. It's Johannesburg now. So but here's what's interesting is that none of the global warming cultists seem to have any concerns at all about AI.
Why is that? Just like they don't have concerns about John Kerry's g 4. Like, somehow that's exempt. Really? AI is gonna draw more electricity than anything else in the United States more than steel production.
Okay? Used to. And you don't have a problem with that, but you're totally against energy because it's destroying the planet, but AI gets a carve out even though it's gonna be the number one energy draw in the United States? Let's go through your reasoning on that.
Speaker 1: They're probably not aware.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're total
Speaker 0: they're not aware. They're mad about my wood stove. I heat with wood. They're mad about my wood stove. They don't want an outdoor barbecue.
Mhmm. They don't like a gas stove. No. They're way into the details on this stuff, except somehow AI isn't a problem.
Speaker 1: But do you think that they're informed? Because this is not a narrative that you ever hear. You never hear, on the woodstools.
Speaker 0: Grew up in a world where a woodstove was considered wholesome and natural, and
Speaker 2: natural, and now it's
Speaker 0: considered good too. No. It's the best. And the heat is the
Speaker 2: I I have a wood fired sauna, which I use every day,
Speaker 0: and it's the great you know, it's warm How do you make sure it
Speaker 1: it's the right temperature? Is it like, like an offset smoker? Like, you have to kinda fiddle with
Speaker 2: it for
Speaker 1: a while amazing. To get the right time
Speaker 0: of time. Consuming. Yeah. No. I have a Finnish, the Fins are geniuses, but I have a Finnish, stove in it, and it's incredibly precise.
I don't know if you ever use a wood stove, but there's a carburetor on it Right. Basically that lets
Speaker 1: in air. Like a like an offset smoker.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. And it's Let
Speaker 4: a little air. So precise.
Speaker 0: I mean, it's it's absolutely crazy. I mean, you move it, you know, a third of an inch, and it's just like the flame changes. So I use birch, which I love, and, the whole process takes a while. I get it to 200, which probably takes an hour and 20. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 4: I like it hot.
Speaker 0: I like it hot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. 200. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Well, I do it every I wear a sauna hat. So
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Does that help?
Speaker 0: Which is embarrassing. The wool hat? Yeah. Well, it's it's felt.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bought one of those. I never wore it. It's incredible. Yeah?
What's the difference?
Speaker 0: Oh, well, I'll tell you. You're because you're Duncan, I'm so boring on this. Yeah. I get going. I got this.
Like Please. My wife and kids are like, ugh.
Speaker 1: You see I have one. You know, we're you're speaking to the core.
Speaker 0: They're the best. Go Scandinavia. Yeah. It's like the one thing to if your name is Carlson, it's the one thing to be proud of in your people. Like, they're so sad and defeated and pathetic, but, saunas are still great.
But, anyway, the sauna hat so your head heats up much faster because it's higher, but also because it's got all the capillaries in your head, all blood vessels in your head. So the point of a of a sauna is to bake. Right. So you wanna stay hot as long as you can, then you reap the benefits, and you also get solitude in the prayer time or the meditation or whatever in your cedar church. And but you can't stay in a sauna that's really hot very long because your head heats up.
Right. So the sauna hat, the felt hat, the banya hat as they call it, insulates your head so you you can really stay hot a long, long time. Mhmm. It makes it you really should do it.
Speaker 1: So is it just because it makes it more comfortable? Is that the idea?
Speaker 0: If your head overheats, you know, it just overheats. And what you want is you wanna cook evenly just like on a barbecue.
Speaker 1: You know,
Speaker 0: you really do. And so, you know, you sit on the bench with your feet up. You wanna be as flat as you possibly can to cook evenly and to stay that way. So I do I try to do 20 minutes. I have my, you know, my timer, my egg timer with the sand going through the hourglass, and I which goes to 15 minutes, but I try to stay an extra 5 if I can.
And, and I couldn't without the banya hat.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 0: It's, like, $8 on Amazon. Well worth it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I have one. Like I said, I just don't use it. But I I do You're embarrassing, and
Speaker 0: and you look like a tool wearing it. Yeah. But you shouldn't have.
Speaker 1: But no one's looking in there anyway.
Speaker 0: That's right. Do you go sign with other people?
Speaker 1: I do sometimes. Yeah. Comics. We get in here. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. When we, train together, we all get in the sauna together afterwards.
Speaker 2: It's
Speaker 1: fun. The Rock was in there with us. No way. Yeah. The Rock worked out with us, then sat in the sauna with us.
It was fun. Got in the cold plunge with us.
Speaker 0: Oh, that's pretty great.
Speaker 1: It was fun.
Speaker 0: Is he a good dude?
Speaker 1: He's a great guy. Really nice guy. Like, really
Speaker 0: I've heard that. I don't know him, but I've heard that he's a
Speaker 1: good guy. You know, some people fake humble. They fake it to look cool.
Speaker 0: That's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's not doing that. He's he's a real guy.
Speaker 0: Like The measure of humility is really, really simple. Can you tell the truth about yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, are you just are you cool to be around? Like, he's he gives real hugs. You know, he's a real guy.
Speaker 0: I love that.
Speaker 1: He's real. He's a real guy. And we when we hung out with him, we were I hung out with him for hours. I mean, we worked out for, like, 2 hours, and then we got in the sauna together. We all hung out, and then we did a podcast together.
He's a genuinely nice guy. Like, you'd you'd be able to sniff I love that. Something out.
Speaker 0: But you can tell, like, immediately. You tell something. You know? People are hiding stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But, so, yeah. I do I've done the sauna with other people.
Speaker 2: Well, I
Speaker 0: do it by myself, so no one sees my sauna.
Speaker 1: I do it at a 196 degrees. I do it for 25 minutes and, use I don't
Speaker 0: That's intense. A 196 for 25 minutes is a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The last 5 minutes are rough, and I used to only do 20, but lately I've been doing 25.
Speaker 0: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just because it's more uncomfortable. The whole idea is just to to make it more uncomfortable. I want it to be very hard to do, so that the rest of my day is pretty easy. So, really hard workout.
Cold plunge starts the day. That's the the the first thing I do is hard. It's 3 minutes of 33 degrees. It sucks. And then I get out of there, and then I work out.
So, That's
Speaker 0: really impressive. I mean, I I had the opposite training as a young man, which was the goal was, like, French toast.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You
Speaker 0: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: French toast.
Speaker 0: Grind out the cigarettes in the syrup when you're ready. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I I started doing martial arts when I was a young man, and when I got into it, it was the first thing that I had ever did that, first of all, gave me a real understanding of the value of discipline and hard work. Yeah. Because, you can get as good as the amount of effort that you put forth. And if you put more effort and you're more intense and you're more driven than other people, you beat them. And you start beating everyone.
And you start you start becoming this thing that you never thought you could be, which is someone who's extraordinary. It's something that's very dangerous. And so that was my formulation as a man, like, that that helped me go from being this, like, confused kid to being someone who understands, like, oh, there's a path and most people don't wanna do it. But if you could do it, if you can do this dangerous thing that people are terrified of and just do it ruthlessly all day long, like, live it. I lived at the gym.
I mean, I taught all day long. I I trained all day long. My my whole life was dedicated to martial arts. So I got really good really quick. And it it changed the whole trajectory of my life, and it instilled in me this understanding of the value of dedication and of a singular commitment to something.
To really being while you're doing, you're not distracted. You're fully focused on improving. And through that, you could apply that to all aspects of your life. But we all encounter difficult things in life, and there's this saying that I love. It's a really great saying that though the hardest thing that's ever happened to you is the hardest thing that's ever happened to you.
If it's a parking ticket or if it's your parents being blown up by a drone, it's still the hardest thing that's ever happened to you. If you had an incredibly easy life like most people today Yeah. They complain about the dumbest fucking shit because to them, that is their primary focus. They don't have a real existential threat. Remember how nice everybody was after 911?
Very. It was crazy. California was patriotic. There's fucking flags on everybody's car. I remember.
Everybody was friendly. I went to New York City. It was like a totally different place. It was. Everybody was so friendly.
Speaker 0: Complauding when firemen walked in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember. Everybody was a hero. And that's because they had encountered something that was way harder than they were accustomed to, and it just put things into perspective. So for me, training and really hard workouts and doing difficult things like the sauna, there's a lot of health benefits to it too.
But the mental benefits to it are really primary for me because it makes That's impressive.
Speaker 0: The rest of life. Yeah. Like that at all, and we were decadent, unfortunately. And, so those are lessons that I learned much much later. But
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's
Speaker 0: let's say that's a good I think it's a if it doesn't destroy you, I think it's a great way to And you don't have to do it
Speaker 1: the way I do it. You could do other stuff. You could do yoga. You could do hikes. You could do Yeah.
Speaker 0: But doing things for the sake of the difficulty in doing them. Yes. I I love that. Again, that was not not not my training at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I was very lucky that it was mine, but more importantly, it gave me a tool to mitigate the stress of regular life and this especially the stress of this kind of life that I live. You you need something to mitigate that.
Speaker 0: Why do I agree with that completely?
Speaker 1: You'll go crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You know, removing yourself from it a little bit has always worked for me. Mhmm. You know, nature works very, very well. Yeah.
Animals, contact with animals, people you love.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 0: Less digital experiences, fewer digital experiences for sure. I think that this stuff's not good for you. It's so obviously not good for you.
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation with, Michelle Dowd yesterday. She is, a woman who survived an apocalyptic cult. She was raised in an apocalyptic cult and kicked out when she was 17 because she snuck out to go see The Color Purple. They weren't allowed to go see movies. She'd never seen a movie until she was 17.
Speaker 0: She'd never seen a movie, and her first movie was The Color Purple?
Speaker 1: Mhmm. And then they kicked her out. They I
Speaker 0: can kinda see that. I mean, what about Raiders of the Lost Ark or something? The color purple?
Speaker 1: What's the first movie she'd ever seen?
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 0: know. But, like, someone a boy one movie that's the color purple?
Speaker 2: Well, a
Speaker 1: boy invited her to the movie. But could you imagine never seeing a movie or even a television? Can't imagine. And then seeing
Speaker 0: a color purple. Who wanted to see the color purple. Like, there's so much going on here, Joe.
Speaker 1: Well, this boy was a a guy who had left the church. Uh-huh. And so she was in contact with him, and, you know, and he was saying, hey. There's a whole world out here. You wanna go see the movie?
And she's like, okay. Let's go.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, obvious look. I'm totally against cults, obviously. On the other hand, you do you gotta ask yourself, like, I don't know. Is your average Amish teenager happier than your average conventional American teenager on Instagram?
And, of course, the answer is, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, they certainly have less instances of autism, which is really fascinating. It's very, very
Speaker 0: The Amishift. Oh, yeah. Less autism?
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's almost none.
Speaker 0: Well, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1: It's extremely rare. Do
Speaker 0: we think that is?
Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder. I really do.
Speaker 0: I can think of a couple. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 0: I don't wanna go Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem. Right. If you go Bobby Kennedy, they'll come for you. But but the question is why?
Speaker 0: Look. And I don't I don't know the answer. But
Speaker 1: How is that not in the debate? How is that not in the conversation?
Speaker 0: Well, it's not only not in the conversation. You're punished for adding it to the conversation. And so, like
Speaker 1: We are dancing around anti vaxx conspiracy theories
Speaker 0: right now. Why why be on the defensive? It's like if you purport to represent science and you're mad about a question
Speaker 1: And you're ignoring data.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But even with in the absence of data Right. Science is the is a process. Yes. It's not a result.
It's a way of doing things.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And at the core of science is asking questions, including unlikely questions. Right. That that's what science is. Right. And if you don't allow that, then, you know, you're you may be doing something, but what you're not doing is science.
We we can we can say that conclusively. So for people to wrap themselves in the mantle of science and attack you for asking a question, you know, they're frauds. And I don't know how they have the moral high ground in this.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do, but I think it's the same kind of mindset that allows people to create the nuclear bomb. Because you say, listen, let let let's we're not even saying that vaccines cause autism. But let let's let's say this. If you're looking at all the data of all the things that cause autism and you see that the vaccine schedule ramps up considerably and then you have autism, which seems to at least be more diagnosed than ever before, people will instantly say, we stopped polio. We stopped smallpox.
Vaccines have saved 1,000,000 of lives, and they're probably right. We dropped that bomb to keep Germany from dropping that bomb. We need nuclear weapons so that other people don't have nuclear weapons. We do a thing that maybe has some negative effects but is overall good. And I think you can kind of apply that sort of logic and reasoning as a human being to very messy issues.
I think people do that do, by the way. People do that with abortion. Right? Sure. They do that with abortion.
Speaker 3: They do everything. Has a
Speaker 1: right to choose. Reproductive freedom. They say all these things. And then you say, okay. What if the baby is near term?
What if it's 6 months old? What if it's 7 months old? And people don't wanna have that conversation. Why? A woman has the right to choose.
You're a fascist. Stay out of women's bodies.
Speaker 0: Does a woman have a right kill you if you annoy her and inconvenience her?
Speaker 1: Well, it's this is where do you get winning? Like, when is it a life? But it is one of those things that to me is a human problem. Whereas humans have these very messy interactions with some things that don't line up with their ideology. And there's an ideology of science worship.
There's an ideology of authoritarian worship. The the bodies of science have bestowed the truth. If you ignore it, you're a science denier. And, you know, that's
Speaker 0: Those are political terms or theological terms. Mhmm. They're not terms rooted in science. And, look, I we all make trade offs constantly. You know, what there's you know, everything's bad.
It's a shit sandwich versus a shit croissant. I'll take a shit croissant. It's smaller. You know? Like, that's that's a daily experience for everybody.
So I get that, and I don't think everything is moral absolute either. You know, we don't even know, sometimes whether a decision will result in good or bad. So, like, it's very complicated.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 0: totally agree with that. What I object to is the absence of reason. Right. Like, you have to believe, because I think it's true, that if you're reasonable, that you can reach maybe not the perfect decision, but a better decision. And if we don't believe that, then we're just in the land of witchcraft, and let's just admit it.
So the lack of reason is what freaks me out.
Speaker 1: Well, it's ideological capture. Right? Because there's certain things that if you're on the right side of these subjects, the correct side, whatever your your ideology believes, you can't you can't differ from the doctrine. There's a there's a very clear doctrine.
Speaker 0: Religion then? It is. Yeah. It is religion. So I'm very pro religion, but you can't have a religion that's too stupid and destructive.
If your religion winds up hurting a lot of people, then I'm against your religion. Like, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think but even some really good religions have aspects of them that you could say were overall detrimental to the people that were Sure.
Speaker 0: Well, absolutely. You can say
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah. I think that that kind of thinking I think cult thinking, whether it's, Scientology or whether it's Christianity or there's, like, a type of thinking or that's woke. Woke is clearly a cult. It's a mind virus.
And I think that I mean, call it's it's so trite to call it that now. It's like whatever this thing is, this leftism, this Marxist sort of ideology that's waving its flag and and indoctrinating people in this country. It's very similar to all kinds of religions. It's very similar to fundamentalist religions that have always existed. In that, everybody has to believe very specific things and you can't differ.
You can't differ from the doctrine.
Speaker 0: And when you Here's another way to think about it that I've been I've been meditating on this a lot. It yes. Religion, politics, they're all kind of melding. It's hard to know where one ends and another begins. Right.
So maybe a simpler and more useful way to think about it is truth or falsehood, lying or honesty.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Maybe just assess everything that way. Is someone lying? I don't care what your justification for it is lying about vaccines. They've lied a lot about vaccines, and they've done it, I think, in most cases because they feel like they're serving some greater good.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the narrative.
Speaker 0: Right. We can't tell people that there are vaccine injuries because they won't get vaccines, which are good for a a big population. I understand the thinking, but you how about this? You can't participate in lying. You can't lie.
Speaker 1: You can't lie, and
Speaker 0: you can't. Period, though. You can't lie about anything. Just don't lie about anything. Try to tell the truth all the time.
If you can't say something that's true, just don't say it. Right. You're not required to say everything you think, obviously, and you shouldn't say everything
Speaker 1: you think,
Speaker 0: but you should never lie. And if you just stick with that, like, you get pretty quickly back to reason and order. Mhmm. Don't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The no. You're making complete sense. And I think that, this is the problem when people have information and power above other people.
Speaker 0: Well, right.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Which is the problem of governments, which is also the problem of cult leaders.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, cult leaders, they get completely infatuated with this idea of being omnipotent and this this power that has control over giant swaths of people and you get to dictate their behavior and you get to tell them what to think. That's very intoxicating and it's it's it's common. It's common in that it's always existed throughout human history. It's a thing that people do when they get power. They abuse the shit out of it.
And if they think that you're too stupid to know the truth and that they're better than you because they do think they're better than you because they're running things. It's a natural inclination. It's a natural thought that people have. If they're the ones, if if you guys are a bunch of dopes that, are are just listening to my orders and I tell you how to live your life and what to do, I'm naturally gonna think I'm better than you.
Speaker 0: Well, that's I mean, people have lived lived under those systems since there have been systems. But Always. What makes it particularly galling and hard to live with is when you call that system a democracy. Right. That's too dishonest for me.
It's I would much rather live in a monarchy where everyone thinks the king has been assigned by God to rule over us, and his whims are law. And, you know, that makes sense. I don't like it, but at least it has internal coherence. Right. When they stand up and pass a $60,000,000,000 funding bill for Ukraine when 70% of the population doesn't want it when they're ignoring the actual problems in our country, like the economy and the border, and they're hauling in congress over the weekend to pass something that people don't want while ignoring the things that people do want.
And if they do the same kind of thing again and again for, like, 50 years and they call it a democracy, that will drive you insane. Yeah. Because it's just too dishonest. Why not just say, we don't give a shit what you want. We are getting something out of this Ukraine funding, whether it's, like, the thrill of being masters of the universe or whether it's money from the defense contractors.
Whatever we're getting out of it is more important to us than your opinion. This is not self government. You don't run this country. We do. Shut up and obey.
If they at least said that, you'd be like, okay. I get it. Those are the terms. But if I get another fucking lecture from Joe Scarborough about defending democracy when this is not a democracy, it's not even a close approximation of a democracy, then I'm gonna go crazy because I just can't deal with the lying. Yeah.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: It does make sense. What's interesting is that there are people saying that now, and I think that's a relatively new thing in terms of mainstream media. It's and and I consider what you do on x mainstream media. I mean, this is what we're on right now is essentially mainstream media. It used to be you could call it there's corporate controlled media.
Speaker 0: I agree.
Speaker 1: And and that used to be mainstream media. Mainstream media used to be CNN. It's not really anymore. Mainstream media is what in terms of the volume consumed, more people are consuming things on Twitter, on x, than there are on anything else. They're they're consuming information, through the Internet, through YouTube, for good or for bad, whether it's correct or incorrect.
They're consuming information in in different forms now than ever before. So more people are saying what you're saying than have ever said it before. And when when people lie and when people bullshit and gaslight, it's more offensive now than it's ever been before because there's so much access to truth that it's just you could see it now. If you're paying attention if you're you're not a boomer who only reads the newspaper, you you pay attention and you see it and you go, this is horseshit.
Speaker 0: But it's it's like well, I guess what bothers me is that the lies aren't sophisticated.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, I look back over
Speaker 0: my now sort of long life, and I'm recognizing all the times that I was lied to, but, you know, I didn't know I was being lied to. They kinda pulled it off. Mhmm. There's something incredibly insulting and demeaning to tell me a lie when I know it's a lie Yeah. And you know I know it's a lie.
We both know it's a lie, but you're demanding that I pretend to believe it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: What you're really saying is, I have no respect for you. You're like my dog. Right. You're a slave. Like, I'm demanding that you participate in my lie.
Right. The lack of stealth, real did is that I'm I'm not explaining it very well, but that that really bothers me.
Speaker 1: Well, there's no real other way to lie. You you like, some of these lies like, politicians. Like, did you see that conversation that AOC had with that man they brought in for the the Biden case and they were talking about, what what crimes? And she was she was, like, grilling this guy. What crimes did you see Joe Biden?
Did he steal anything? Did he steal bread? Like, I forgot what she said, but and he was trying to explain what they were, Rico crimes, and she was saying Rico is not a crime.
Speaker 0: I saw that.
Speaker 2: It's a
Speaker 1: category of crime. Like, okay. Alright. But
Speaker 3: it's like Tell that to the Genovese family.
Speaker 1: No. Yeah. It's it's so dumb to say that publicly, like
Speaker 0: Well, jeez.
Speaker 1: And say it with confidence and to tell a person
Speaker 0: thing. The the marriage of ineptitude and high self esteem is Yeah. It's It's really the marker of our time. It's like, I have nothing against dumb people at all. My dogs are dumb, and I love my dogs.
No. I'm serious. I don't think god cares about your intelligence. Right? Only people care.
And so it's not a moral category, and stupidity is not a I mean, someone with Down syndrome, I I really believe better people than I am. Yeah. You know, more likely to go to heaven. So I'm not attacking her for being dumb. But the idea that a dumb person has no the White House press secretary is in the same category who has no idea she's dumb.
Mhmm. She really thinks, like, she won the prize, and she's the most impressive. Like, I'm White House Press Theory because I'm the best talker in America. Good. It's so it's so crazy.
And yet, the smartest people I know are very often, like, sort of, well, I'm you know, they have humility.
Speaker 1: Well, also, she's following, Kayleigh McEnany. Is that how you say her name?
Speaker 0: I don't really know who that is.
Speaker 1: She she was the last White House press secretary? And You don't know who that is?
Speaker 0: I sort of do. I sort of do.
Speaker 1: She's the GOAT. Greatest White House press secretary of all time. She's the best.
Speaker 0: I had stopped paying close attention
Speaker 5: by that
Speaker 1: point. Had all the documents. She would kill them. She when whenever she would get called out, like, whenever there would be a question, she'd say, that's interesting. And then she'd open because you said this Yes.
And your paper said that, and CNN said this, and and she would call them out on stuff. And she was just really, really well prepared.
Speaker 0: I love that.
Speaker 1: Very articulate. She was wonderful. Well, good
Speaker 3: for her.
Speaker 0: We I mean, that's what it should be.
Speaker 1: But she was operating under president Trump, you know. So But it's obviously, she's demonized. It's just I kinda can't believe you don't know who that is.
Speaker 0: No. I don't. I know. You know who it is, but I, it's just funny the she's the goat. Well, that's I had stopped watching all briefings by then.
I used to go to briefings as a kid. I used I mean, I literally go there. I'd be in the briefing room, the former Kennedy swimming pool, and you'd and the first thing you note I mean, I was never a White House reporter, but I would was a reporter, so I would go to them occasionally. And the first thing you notice is how impressed all the correspondents are to work that work at the White House. Worked at
Speaker 3: the White House. Got my my hard pass.
Speaker 0: And then the distance between that, that little credential they were so proud of, and the reality of their lives was, like, insane. Like, they're in this tiny little room. They're being treated with total contempt by the White House staff who thinks they're just fucking animals. You know? I was like, shut up.
They're eating out of vending machines, and this was a different time. Right? So, like, when I was working as a journalist in Washington, like, we went out to lunch every day at, like, a good restaurant and charge it to the company and, like, with your sources. You're, like, we had lunch every single day, like, civilized people. I don't even think that exists in the world anymore where you had time for lunch, where you are just so under the gun from your corporate masters, you had to, like, get back to work.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: We we ate lunch. And I remember thinking, these people don't eat lunch. They eat like a a stale mounds bar out of a vending machine, like, they bring quarters to work so they can eat. I remember thinking, your life, like, is you're you're not even human. You're just like a little puppet or something and but you're so impressed and, like, all your neighbors know.
He he works at the White House. He's in the White House press corps. And the job, like, wasn't even really a job. You would just, like, sit there and ask your question in your little assigned seat, like you're in a high school gym. It was just awful, and I just had no respect for people
Speaker 3: who did that for a living at all. Did you ever read
Speaker 1: Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail? Come on.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's amazing. That guy, gave sort of the bet that's, I think, probably the best window into an outsider in the political process, at least in terms of the campaign trail.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's the best window to the the press. It's the best window to the relationships that they had with the politicians at least in 19 seventies. It's a it's an amazing book.
Speaker 0: I was talking to a campaign reporter. I never do that anymore, but, I was this week, actually. And he was telling me it's, like, totally different. Like, when I did it, you were all on a I mean, it was bad, because it just cultivated group think Mhmm. Which was then leveraged
Speaker 2: by the by the candidate for better coverage. Like, the whole thing was kind
Speaker 0: of an op, actually, But it was at least fun. Like, you run a charter plane and, like, you're flying with everybody and you'd hit 3 or 4 cities a day and, like, there are cocktails on the plane and, you know, naughty behavior and, like, you know, they fed you and they kind of dealt with everything for you. It was it was it was fun. It was like a road trip. Right?
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And now it's just like grim. They're all driving alone, and they're little rental cars to some obscure town in Iowa that is there with no access whatsoever to the candidate, write up their little reports, and then they get back to their hotel. And they're, like, writing up more for the website. And, like, it's just an it's such a bad job, actually, covering politics that only the people who couldn't make it in any other business are doing it.
Speaker 1: It's like
Speaker 0: the it's like a reverse meritocracy. It's only the most kind of pathetic power worshipers would ever do a job like that. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Well, like critics.
Speaker 0: Yes. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Most critics wanna be writers. The most Well, they're
Speaker 0: like the worst people. Just ask
Speaker 1: people. Mhmm.
Speaker 0: Like, well, you've actually been in show business, so you've got a better experience with them or you have a lot of experience with them. But I've known a lot of them who worked for magazines or newspapers Yeah. I worked too. Before. And they're the kind of people who have a lot of cats, and all the cats hate them.
You know what I mean? They're just they're just, like, the lowest. They all have some, like, sort of weird, like, wandering eye, and they're fat, and they're, like, super into porn.
Speaker 3: And it's just totally isolated from everybody. I actually worked
Speaker 0: for for one of them for a while who was a critic for the New York Post. A guy called John Putheart's, and he was he was one of the weirdest, most unhappy people I've ever met in my life. And he would come into my office occasionally, and he would rub his he had a really hairy back, and he would rub it against the door frame. And, like, say these kind of obscure he was stupid, but he didn't know that he was I mean, he was actually kind of dumb, but he didn't know it. And he would kind of philosophize.
I was, like, 10 years younger, and I was his captive. So he would just, like, lecture me as he was rubbing against the door frame. And one time we went out to lunch, and, we all had drinks. Of course, this is like mid nineties. He didn't really drink, but he ordered this drink with like a an umbrella and and it had a water piece of watermelon on the rim of the glass.
And he took the watermelon, ate it, and then he ate the rind. I'll never forget that, watching him eat the rind. And thinking, of course, this guy's a critic. This is true love. He was editing this magazine, but, like, his his real interest was in writing about movies.
And, it was they're just sad people who want to know.
Speaker 1: Read, you know, Siskill and Ebert? Do you ever read when, Sisko Roger Ebert, rather, wrote a he wrote a screenplay? No. It's very bizarre. It's it's really sexual, very strange.
It's supposed to be terrible. Of course. I've read passages in
Speaker 2: it, but
Speaker 3: It's terrible.
Speaker 1: But I remember going, oh, okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They're not they're not creative. They're creative adjacent.
Speaker 1: Well, they don't have anything to contribute.
Speaker 0: That's what I'm saying. They don't have creative power. Right? So they're mad about that.
Speaker 1: They probably could figure it out if they had a different mindset. I I think creativity isn't in everybody. It's just a matter of how
Speaker 0: you 100% it's in everybody. It just requires honesty. Yeah. And the impediment to creativity is lying.
Speaker 1: Sure. And, yeah, I used to say that about joke thieves. That one of the real problems with joke thieves is when they get caught, and then they have to write their own material. And the problem is they don't understand the language. They just know how to say the sounds.
Like, if you told me what to say in French, I can't speak French. But if you told me what to say and I practice it and I said it right, you think, wow, that guy fucking speaks French.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: So that's what comedy is like. So if you got a guy who knows how to repeat other people's jokes, but he doesn't know how to create them. See, comedy is one of the rare things where someone when when a like, you get a guy like, Shane Gillis. That guy writes his own stuff. He edits it.
He thinks it out in his head. He performs it. He produces it. He changes the order of things.
Speaker 0: I love that.
Speaker 2: It's
Speaker 1: a complete everybody does it pretty much the same way. There's a few guys that hire writers, and there's that's honorable. There's nothing wrong with hiring a writer. And it's also it gives jobs to other comics, because some comics are just really good writers and they're not so good at performing. And so people work on stuff, they'll collaborate on stuff.
Like, Chris Rock would do this thing where he would hire comics and they didn't write the jokes for him, but they would be, like, guys who would bounce stuff off. So he would have his ideas, he would go on stage, and then after his set, they would all meet and they would talk about the set. And, you know, guys would have taglines, like, you could say this, oh, great, and then write that down, they're adding. So it's a collaboration. So you have the the the master, you have Chris Rock, who is so open minded and intelligent and humble that he brings in other masters and says, tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Tell me what I could change. Tell me what I can make better.
Speaker 3: Good for you.
Speaker 1: And they work together. And then there's people that have people that are essentially ghost writers. They hire comics to write jokes for them. They pretend they're theirs, theirs, and they don't really write them at all. So that's another level, which is told also
Speaker 0: Does anyone who does that get successful?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't not top shelf. They get they do well. There's there's people that have people write for them and they do well, but they're not the guy that everybody goes to.
They're not David Tell. They're not the guy that everybody goes to see. They're not the like David Tell is the guy that comics go to see when he's in town.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Like, he just sees a master. He's you watch him. He's Yoda. You're like, Jesus Christ. Like, how is he so good?
Well, he's so good because he writes every day, because he's sitting with fucking a pack of cigarettes and a cup of coffee every morning, writing things in a notebook, and he's practicing every day. He goes on stage constantly, and he's just, it's that Japanese term kaizen where you take this one thing That's right. And just refine it Master. To ultimate mastery. That's what he's doing.
So these guys who pretend to be that and steal jokes and then they get caught, then their material drops off a cliff. It's so obvious. Because they're frauds. Yeah. Also, because the very thing that allows you to steal someone's jokes, That's an ego thing.
That's a, like, I want the laughs. I wanna be the man or the woman. I wanna be the fucking one up there showing everybody, oh, look how amazing this person is.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: Look how amazing. That's the opposite mindset that's required for creativity. So creativity is not about you. Creativity is about the ideas. Creativity is about things.
Creativity is about how does this concept work with these other concepts? How do I how do I get it in the most digestible form? If I was an audience member, what would it be like to feel this? How what's the best way to introduce it? What's the way to make it so that people don't think that I'm being mean, that I have a point or that I thought this through.
This is not just a flippant thing, like, you're allowing someone when you when someone's on stage, you're allowing that person almost to think for you. Like, you're, like, take me on a ride. Like, I I'll give you my mind. I'm not gonna That's exactly right. Thinking what I would do.
I'm not gonna I'm just gonna let you think for me. If that person's not doing a good job of that, if it's clunky, if it's shitty, if the the the transitions suck, if the way, then it just interrupts this hypnosis hypnotism that you've put on me, this hypnosis. It's it's a now I'm not letting you think for me.
Speaker 0: Inherently fraudulent. Yeah. Right? I mean, I'm giving control of my mind over to someone who is himself under the control of somebody else. Do do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If you're stealing.
Speaker 0: No. If I'm in the audience. Right. And I would say this also goes for for ideas, for commentary. You know, that's not funny, but that's real.
Right. And you see it a lot. I've seen it a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You see bullshit a lot.
Speaker 0: Well, the number of people who are totally not controlled, who are really saying what they actually believe with no weird agenda that they're not telling you about is pretty small. Yeah. And I just I have noticed that a lot recently, particularly on the question of wokeness and free speech. There are a lot of people who are, like, on your side because they're for free speech. We're not actually for free speech at all, who are pushing, you know, a very specific foreign policy agenda, for example, and using another issue to lower your defenses and let themselves into your brain.
And I think that's really sinister. Really, really, really sinister. And it's becoming more obvious now. Like, if you're for free speech, then you're just for free speech because you support the principle. It doesn't the content of the speech is is not that interesting to you.
The fact that a sovereign human being has the right to express himself because he's not a slave, he's a citizen and a human being, like, that's what matters. Yeah. And if all of a sudden you, like, become famous, like, I'm for free speech, and then you support silencing people who articulate opinions you disagree with, like, you're a fraud.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: You're kind of a sinister fraud.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And I that
Speaker 0: because that's the business I'm in. I, boy, I've really noticed that. Have you noticed this?
Speaker 1: Yes. And that's also the the same kind of thing when you hear them talk. If you hear someone talk that's saying something that's kinda horseshit, it resonates with you that that's what you've you've seen what you've seen before.
Speaker 0: With Bari Weiss on your show that went everywhere. I saw a clip of it. I never saw the show itself, but she was going on about she was posing as one thing, and then you pressed her. Her. Like, well, hold on a second.
What do you mean by that? You just attacked somebody, and she had no idea what she was talking about. And it became really clear to me watching. I completely changed my view of Barry Weiss forever. I was like, oh, this.
She's a fraud, actually. This person's not honest at all. Like, she has a a very specific agenda. That's all she cares about. The rest of the stuff is just a is a kind of sleight of hand maneuver.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the thing with Tulsi Gabbard?
Speaker 0: That's correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She called her a toady, and she didn't know what that meant.
Speaker 0: Well, she but she had no idea. Like, Tulsi Gabbard had straight outside the lines on some Syria or something.
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 0: And Barry Weiss was, you know, going through the files in her head, like, what does she have to believe? And she was aware that, you know, Tulsi Gabbard had somehow violated that in a way that no one's willing to say, like, in detail to fully articulate. What did Tulsi Gabbard do wrong? No one will tell you. She's just bad.
Yeah. And then what that revealed about Barry Weiss is she's completely dishonest. Like, she's a liar, actually. You can't if by the way, if you attack somebody particularly personally and can't explain why you're attacking the person, like, that's not acceptable. You're a dishonest person if you can't explain why.
Speaker 1: I think it's a common thing that people do in private, and they get accustomed to like, we're we're talking like we're talking in private. We're just 2 people talking.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: So people get accustomed to saying things without being able to back them up. You know, like, oh, he's a vaccine denier.
Speaker 0: Well, I've done a ton of that in my life as well because I'm an asshole. So it's like, I just don't like that person. I have
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: But I'm what I'm saying is I don't know how much time Barry Weiss had spent doing podcasts before that.
Speaker 0: Well, she spent look. I'm I'm just saying, like, it's important to be honest about what you're intending.
Speaker 1: She is honest. I think she is honest, and I really like her. Yeah. I like talking to her.
Speaker 0: About She's very intelligent person. Her personally.
Speaker 1: I just think that was a mistake. And I think you're allowed to do that and hopefully learn from that. And don't do that anymore. Don't don't say a thing that you and I've done that. I've done definitely done that.
I've said a thing, and I wasn't really exactly sure what I was talking about.
Speaker 0: I do that every day, and I may have just done it with Barry Weiss. So let me be a lot more specific about what I mean. If your agenda is neocon politics, which is her agenda, just say so. Don't pretend to be a defender of free speech as a principle, which is what she does.
Speaker 1: How is she a defender of neocon politics? Very wise? Yeah. Like, what what specifically?
Speaker 0: Well, anyone, including me and Tulsi Gabbard, who thinks that America shouldn't be funding wars that don't help America, she will attack, as a traitor to America or whatever whatever it takes. And so no. No. No. That's her that's her main interest, which is fine.
And, by the way, I actually have friends who I disagree with really strongly on this question who believe in neocon politics. Doesn't mean they're terrible people or I hate them or I'm not friends. I'm still friends with them. But they're very direct about it. This is what I care about.
Mhmm. Fine. You know, I I really care about bird hunting and fly fishing and or whatever. I can you and you don't. That's totally cool.
But be honest about it. So if your job is to defend the right of free people to say what they really believe, then go ahead and defend it. And if somebody is not allowed to speak or fired from his job for having an opinion that you disagree with, defend him anyway. I I just interviewed a guy who is a black nationalist socialist. Okay?
So I'm obviously not much of a black nationalist. I don't know if you're aware of that, but I'm not. And I'm not a socialist either. But this guy is facing prison time under the Biden DOJ because he said things they don't like about foreign policy. And I just interviewed the guy for an hour, and it was like, I'm because on principle, you should be able to say what you think, period.
Speaker 1: What is this gentleman's name?
Speaker 0: I I he was actually a boy. It turns out I, like, loved him. Oh, and I'm embarrassed. I can't he's he's a member of a pretty small black nationalist socialist group. It's like the revolutionary black nationalists or something like that.
They're out of, out of Southwest Florida, and, he's literally facing prison for repeating Russian disinformation. He's not even accused of doing anything. He's accused of saying things the Biden DOJ doesn't like. Well, in a What were these things that he said? Repeating Russian propaganda.
About? About the invasion of Ukraine. And his point was, well, there's a backstory here, which is that NATO has been moving eastward since 1991, and that's a massive threat to Russia. Missiles on their border from a hostile power is a threat, and the Biden administration accelerated that. And in response, Putin invaded Eastern Ukraine.
Now you can disagree with that, but that's hardly a crackpot view, by the way. I think that's actually true. But even if you don't agree that it's true, that's not you don't have to be a paid propagandist from the Kremlin to say that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: I have said it. I'm not a paid propagandist. Gentleman? That's him right there.
Speaker 1: 4 Americans from a Polish government organization work with Russian intelligence to spread propaganda, FedEx.
Speaker 0: To spread propaganda. Now propaganda first of all, you know, there's a a lot of propaganda.
Speaker 1: Scroll up a little on that, Jamie, so I can read what this is saying.
Speaker 0: It's covered up.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Right?
Speaker 0: Well, it's just guy subscribe. That guy right
Speaker 1: there Okay. Subscribe real quick.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The People's Democratic Uhuru Movement
Speaker 1: in Saint Petersburg. So So he contacted he spoke with someone in Russia. They spoke with people in Russia, and then
Speaker 0: they were No. No. No. He is being, he's charged with felonies. The FBI raided his house.
The first thing they did was cover up the security cameras, and they went in there and arrested. They were raided by the FBI.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Russia's foreign intelligence service allegedly weaponized our first amendment rights, freedoms, Russia, and to divide Americans and interfere elections in the US, says assistant attorney general Matthew Olsen. Now first of all, weaponized our first amendment rights? No. Your first your first amendment rights are never a crime.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: They're god given. The government did not bestow them. You were born with them as a free person, period. And the first amendment simply says you can't interfere with their exercise. That's it.
And in this, they are. And and I looked at I I read this and I thought and I reach out to this guy, by the way. Matthew Olsen? No. I wish Matthew Olsen would never do my show.
You mean the guy whose salary I pay as a US citizen? No. He would never speak to me.
Speaker 1: Well, listen. Look at that that quote. Russia's foreign intelligence services alleged allegedly weaponized our first amendment rights, freedoms Russia denies its own citizens to divide Americans and interfere in elections in the United States. That you gotta like, why are you saying that? Let's say what happened.
Speaker 0: Well, but nothing but nothing happened. So that's the thing. So I'm reading this. Someone sent it to me, and I'm like, okay. Clearly, there's a crime here.
Like, they were found with, I don't know, mortar shells or they were I mean, usually, the government makes up they put kitty kitty porn on your computer at least to discredit you. There's no underlying crime other than they said something that the foreign policy establishment of the United States disagrees with. Okay. That's not a crime by definition, and this guy is facing life in prison. And it looks to me because no one because Barry Weiss has not defended him.
I think this guy is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. And I'm, like, this is crazy. The rest
Speaker 1: of his life in prison? Yes. Okay. Hold it. This is the
Speaker 0: thing. I think he's 83.
Speaker 1: Yeshita how do you say his name? Yeshita. Yeshita and 3 other US citizens, Penny Joanne Hess, Jesse Neville, and Augustus c Romaine Junior are charged with conspiracy to defraud US Hess. Oh, okay. Defraud the United States.
Hess, Yeshitella, and Novell are also charged with impersonating agents of a foreign government.
Speaker 0: Okay. They say to defraud the United States. So defraud suggests theft of something of value. Right?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 0: By defraud, you still your money. There's no allegation of that at all. And I actually read the charges. There's no the only allegation is they said things that the US government, the Biden administration doesn't like. That's it.
And because they're unpopular and they have views that are considered, quote, quote, fringe, you know, like crazy black nationalists. Nobody wants to defend them. And my only point is not that I'm like such a principled person. This also this seems very obvious to me. You can't allow that.
You absolutely cannot allow that if you believe in the First Amendment, in the freedom of free people to say what they think.
Speaker 1: So the with this app this implication is they're saying that they they were recruited, by the FSB. So it says, prosecutors said Iov, operated an entity called the anti globalization movement of Russia that that was used to carry out its US influence efforts overseen by the Russian intelligence service known as FSB. K. So They recruited US based organizations to help sway elections, make
Speaker 2: it appear there was a strong support in
Speaker 1: the US for Russia's They recruited US based organizations to help sway elections, make it appear there was a strong support in the US for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and backed efforts such as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry the genocide of African people in the US according to the indictment. Back efforts. What does that mean? Look at that. Like, negative back efforts to such as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry the genocide of African people.
But what just look at that statement. Backed efforts such as a thing to decry genocide. The United Nations petition of 2015 to decry decry the genocide of African people in the US according to the indictment.
Speaker 0: Okay. So the real misinformation and propaganda is in the charging documents, actually. The real liars here are the Biden DOJ officials who did this, and they're dangerous. They're criminals, in my opinion. But if you read it carefully, you will see that the only crime is having opinions that the people in charge didn't like.
Speaker 1: And were they in contact with people from Russia?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I think they went over to Russia for some conference. So so they went over to Russia. But the way this typically works is they say, well, you went to a country against which we've imposed sanctions
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And you violated the sanctions regime in some way. Like, that's how they get you. They're not even alleging that. They're not even alleging that. They're just saying, you said things that we don't like that, by the way, a foreign government we don't like agrees with.
Speaker 1: But that's not learned those when they went over to Russia? It's all on no.
Speaker 0: It's all on the Internet. They're but did they learn them? I mean, I guess it doesn't matter where they learned them. I would because I've talked to the guy and I've seen what they wrote, the opinions that they expressed, I don't you know, the genocide of African peoples in America. I don't even know what that means.
I guess I don't agree with that. But their views on Russia, I generally agree with because I think they're true, and so does Jeff Sachs and a lot of other non crazy, nonblack nationalists who probably agree with the basic framework of their position. But whether we agree or not is not relevant. Right. All that matters is in a free country, which this was when I grew up, you have the right to any opinion you want.
You do not have the right to hurt people. You don't have the right to steal from them. You don't have the right to defraud people, but you certainly foremost have the right to any opinion you want no matter what the people in charge think of it. In fact, you have that right as a bulwark against tyranny by the people in charge. Like, that's the only thing that keeps this country free is my right to have any opinion I want.
And this guy is going to jail for his opinions. And, you know, I I it's so crazy that I kept thinking, like, is there something that I'm missing? Like, it does seem a little fringe, this group. I'd never heard of them. I'm not sending them money.
Okay? They must have done something. Nope. Nothing. And you should see the video of the FBI.
Right? It's unbelievable. They sent they sent, like, it's on the Internet. It's on x. I have the video on there.
They sent, like, 40 armed agents with automatic weapons to this guy's office and his house. Like, no exaggeration. It was a full blown, like, we're arresting El Chapo type thing. For this guy, he's like an 83 year old army veteran. It's outrageous, and I really find it baffling that nobody who's, like, against woke culture or whatever will touch it.
And the reason they won't touch it is because their foreign policy views in general are more important to them than their views on speech in the first amendment, their views on America.
Speaker 1: Well, if you step out of line, right, so the ideology is that we must support Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So this is the Russia has a point. This is what they're saying. So Russia was very upset about the movement of the weapons closer to their borders, the the the joining NATO, all all the stuff that was the hard red lines that Putin had already set. Like, if Russia Russia would definitely do something if Ukraine join NATO. We all knew that.
So if you deviate from that, you're gonna be in trouble. So better just ignore it. Because you can't you you clearly if you look at who these people are I mean, these these are people that would be supported by the left whole whole wholehearted.
Speaker 0: They are? I mean, it's like the revolutionary socialist movement. Yeah. They're not. They're not at CPAC
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Left has to ignore it because then
Speaker 0: 100%.
Speaker 1: It conflicts with this other category. Right? Are
Speaker 0: just like now they're actually ridiculous. They're ridiculous. Mean anything. In fact, we've moved past the point where they don't mean anything. They do mean something.
They are propaganda instruments designed to cloak the truth from the rest of us Uh-huh. That in fact there's agreement, not disagreement at the center of power. They all agree on the things that matter, and those are the economy and foreign policy because that's where the money is. There's no effort to, say, rein in the credit card companies, which if you really cared about the country, you'd say, but people are really suffering. They don't have enough money to live.
Kids can't not only not buy houses, they can't afford rent. And why is that? And one of the main reasons is because they're paying, like, close to 20% interest on their credit cards. And, okay, we just imagine that in a free market, that's a good thing. Tell me why that's a good thing.
Who benefits from that? Why are we for that again? I'm not for that. I think the credit card companies are villains, and they send credit cards to kids at school and get them hooked on this. I think it's totally wrong.
And if you said that in the US congress, people look at you like you had 3 heads. Like, what? They just don't care because there's they all agree that our current economic system and our current foreign policy assumptions are good. So that's not a 2 party system. That's a 1 party system, and it doesn't serve the industry of the country.
And my position is super simple. The only country I have an emotional attachment to is United States. That's it. I like lots of countries. I like almost all countries.
Actually, I've been to a lot of them. I like them all. But the only one I feel emotional about is United States because I live here. I was born here. My kids are here.
It's my country. And most of the people in our foreign policy conversation do not feel that way. So that distorts it really dramatically. And there are also a lot of them are are violence worshipers. Like, they get off on war.
They get off on hurting people and on the power that that, imbues them with. And I think, you know, the Liz Cheney model. You know what I mean? Like, someone like Liz Cheney who's got, like, a really sad and barren personal life, a lot of them are this way, weird personal life, failed personal life. Like, they don't have people who love them.
They don't have kids who respect them. And so Adam Kinzinger or whatever, they're all kind of the same. The more broken they are inside, the more focused they are on, like, war and foreign policy because it gives them a feeling of of power and strength and success. Like, I can't get my wife to respect me. I can't get my kids to listen to me.
I can't pass any meaningful domestic agenda, but what I can do is bomb the living shit out of a foreign country. And, there so there is this it's not true for all of them, but for a lot of them, there is this syndrome, that drives their behavior. But whatever the reason, it's totally disconnected from what's good for the country. And if you run America, you have one job one job, and that's improve America, period. They don't see it that way.
And I so I don't think the system can continue because it's too distorted. It's it's not serving its original purpose at all.
Speaker 1: So what was it that these guys said that made this raid possible?
Speaker 0: They said Russia and I I don't wanna speak for them. Like, I anyone who will see it can inter and I just wanna say again, like, one of the cool things about this moment that I did not anticipate, there's all the sad stuff happening. I know that you probably experience this all the time. It's, like, finding not only common ground with people you thought you had nothing in common with at all, but also, like, liking them. You know?
Like, I actually liked the guy. I'm sure we disagreed a million things. Probably mad at white people. I am a white person. Whatever.
But, like, in my conversation, I was like, I like this guy. You know? He's honest, and he's sincere. He's principled. He was a veteran.
You know? But whatever. No. I really think what they said was what I have said and a lot of people have said, which is there was a reason for this invasion. I personally think the invasion was a bad idea.
Didn't help anybody. I'm against war. I'm sad The war's ongoing. But they were pushed to this by a more powerful country, which would be the United States of America, with the threat of including Ukraine in NATO. It's really simple.
And right before the invasion, days before the invasion, they send poor Kamala Harris, who has no idea what day it is, to the Munich Security Conference, an area she knows nothing about, no experience at all, and they send her there for one purpose, which is to announce at a press briefing with all the cameras rolling to Zelensky right there. She says, we want you to join NATO. What? You no no other NATO members were clamoring for Ukraine. It didn't even qualify for NATO membership.
Why would you say that? When Clint when Putin's got troops masked on the Ukrainian border, you send your vice president to the Munich Security Conference with the world watching and say this that no one even really wants. Why would she do that? To provoke war. Obviously.
What's the other reason? And it was scripted. Like, Kamala Harris is not free balling stuff. Like, she's saying what she's told to say, obviously. It's not her area.
She doesn't know anything about this stuff. She was told to say that, but why to provoke a war? Obviously. So that was my read. I said that on Fox News.
Not a lot of people liked it, but it just seemed obvious to me. I'm not making excuses for Putin. Please. I wanna protect the United States, and I think this war really hurts the United States. Like, my motives are always right out there.
Anyway, I think they said a species of that, something like that. And and and last thing I'll say is that why was the reaction so strong? Because it was true. They don't care if you lie. No one in power cares if you lie.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people are
Speaker 0: saying tell the truth.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying those things, and they're
Speaker 0: not getting arrested. Like some black nationalist guy in Saint Petersburg. Like, who cares? We can do who's gonna defend him? Nobody.
He's some wacko. He's some, like, 80 year old guy who's, like, been in the, like, fringe left movement for the past 50 years. You know, like, new Huey Newton and Stokely Carmichael. He's like a relic of the past and, like, he doesn't have constituency. He doesn't care.
The modern Democratic Party hates him. He hates them. And the Republican Party is like, black nationalism? No. Thanks.
So he has no constituency. They're never gonna like, you could say that. And what are they gonna do to you? You know, nothing. Because they're they can't.
But this guy? Yeah. Crush him. Kill him. And that's exactly what they're doing.
And I really think not to be like a seventies liberal about it. If you let the weak get crushed, it's bad. It's super bad. You need to protect the weak, and this guy's weak.
Speaker 1: And so you think they're making an example out of him with this?
Speaker 0: And they can. They have all this power.
Speaker 1: This one works for him. They would move so many people, why why they would get so many agents, why they would do this so publicly for one guy's opinion or one group of people's opinion.
Speaker 0: Well, I don't know. I mean, why did Especially why did the evil kings hang the heads of people they executed from the gates?
Speaker 1: Right. But it feels like there should be more to it. Like, what what did they say? So the the the problem is
Speaker 0: telling me.
Speaker 1: I know. The problem is that I mean, I'm just straw man I'm steel manning this, rather. So the problem is that they went over to Russia, and they talked with people in Russia, and then they're saying these things. Is that the problem?
Speaker 0: They're not charged with that. They're not charged with going to Russia.
Speaker 1: Think that's the motivation behind it because they they went over there?
Speaker 0: It's a different article, has a quote from him.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They are not like, at least when I interviewed him, they had not been charged with taking money from Russia.
Speaker 1: So it says they've been accused of us, they've accused us of taking money from Russia. Yeshitellus said yesterday at a news conference on July 29th, we've never taken any money from Russian government, but I'm not saying that because I'm morally opposed to taking money from the Russians or anyone else who wants to support the struggles for for black people. Don't tell us what we can't don't tell us that we can't have friends that you don't like. He accused the US government US government of seeking to use the APSP as a pawn in its proxy war with Russia, the unsubstantiated allegation that opponents of the war are coconspirators with a foreign power are intended to bolster the phantom of a Russian boogeyman in the public consciousness. The escalating military aggression by the US against Russia and China is already being accompanied by increasing repression and an attempt to criminalize left wing opposition to the unpopular
Speaker 0: war. Well, exactly.
Speaker 1: So they're accusing him of taking money from Russia.
Speaker 0: They're not. They're not charging him. So here's the distinction, which is, like, really, really important. So there are two levels on which the Department of Justice in all administrations acts. There's the level of propaganda, like, what do we want people to think, and there's the level of law.
What are we charging someone with? And you have to ignore the first and pay very close attention to the second. So we have a legal system. We have laws, and you can't actually go to jail unless you violate 1 under the terms of our system. And so ignore what they're saying about you.
Joe Rogan sucks. He's a bad man. But in the end, I'm busting you for double parking. And so you really you're not a bad man. You're a double parker under the law.
And so if you look at the charges against these guys, they're they're not charged with violating sanctions regulations. They are charged with totally amorphous, quote, crimes like defrauding the US government, not for money, but for, like, defrauding it, like, I guess, countersignalling it, sending a message publicly that they don't like. I mean, there's no crime. Look it up except speaking. And, I think that's a precedent that,
Speaker 1: we don't wanna live with. No. No doubt. Alright.
Speaker 0: I'm gonna take a leak.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's take a leak. We'll be right back. We're gonna pee. Tucker and I are gonna pee together. Yeah.
Well, that's, the confronting of reality. You're forced to examine your beliefs and why you came to those beliefs in the first place.
Speaker 0: No. That is the beauty of this moment, though. It is. People are living, intentionally much more, and it's also just much more interesting. It's not just, you know, it's it's less shallow than it was for sure.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's more nuanced. People have more new at least the people that are paying attention have a more nuanced perspective. But then you have the people that are in the echo chambers that are just digging their heels in even more. And you could spot them easily because they
Speaker 0: Well, they're missing out because there's nothing more liberating than admitting you were wrong.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: I mean, that is the that is, like, the moment of liberation. Right. And that's the basis of religion. It's the basis of AA. It's the basis of anything that improves you as a person is admitting honestly admitting to other people, not just to yourself that, like, wow.
Wow. I got that wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And then you're afraid because then you don't have to hide it anymore.
Speaker 1: Right. Very important.
Speaker 0: And it's a beautiful thing, and that is, like, changing your mind. I always notice this covering politics that, you know, a candidate would be like, I've got him on tape saying 10 years ago something different. And no one ever asked my opinion, but I always wanted to say, why don't you just why don't you say, you're absolutely right, and the country's a lot different from what it was 10 years ago. And so my opinions changed too. Like, why wouldn't they?
Because I'm not a freaking robot or a liar.
Speaker 1: Also, I used to think this because of that, and now I realize I was wrong.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is
Speaker 0: How great is that? Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: It's part of being a human. It's not being a flip flopper. It's
Speaker 0: the best part
Speaker 1: of being a human. Well, this is an interesting time for that because you see people that won't do that. And you could recognize them easily because they're the first people who throw out insults. The first thing to do when they describe you, they'll describe you in an insulting way, and then they'll say what they disagree with you about. They'll say something hard.
They try to define you, though you're far right white supremacists, racist,
Speaker 0: top sides. There.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They throw it all at you, and then they say what you said.
Speaker 0: It's so funny. I got called racist and white supremacist so many times. But when I first was called that, I mean, it really stung, you know, a lot because just where I grew up and how I grew up. And those are, like, the worst things you could ever call somebody. And, so I actually, like, paused for a moment and thought, am I?
Like, I which I think it's fair to ask yourself. Like, am I a white whatever that. I never even figured out what that was. Am I a racist? Not really.
And I thought, really, the people I dislike most are almost all white liberals, actually.
Speaker 1: So You're racist against white people.
Speaker 0: No. But, like no. I I I am white. My kids are white. I'm not against white people.
I like white people. But, no. It's not that. It's that so a reporter once called me about this. You've been called racist?
Like, no. Actually, I really dislike you. If I were to sort of narrow down my bigotries, it's like people like you. I just think you're disgusting. I really mean it too.
Speaker 4: Race through your faces.
Speaker 1: Okay. Alright. Well, it's a it's a thing, you know.
Speaker 0: I don't think that works as much anymore.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. No. Well, I think a lot of the things that you overuse, eventually, people realize, like, oh, you're you're you're yelling wolf again.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, of course. And when people get hit with it and don't disappear, then it becomes obvious that it's
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: It lacks power.
Speaker 1: But it's also you're trying to, like, use these words to define someone, especially someone like you that has so many hours and hours of talking about things. Like, to to try this reductionist perspective of someone to reduce them to this ultimately very negative thing and not say that they're a human being. And, also, the fact that it's done by the people that wanna think of themselves as compassionate and kind, which is the most bizarre. The the left is so aggressively incompassionate. Like, they're they're so aggressively unkind with
Speaker 0: Letting letting people die of drug ODs on the sidewalk, that's compassion. No. It's not.
Speaker 1: That whole thing is fucking crazy.
Speaker 0: Well, it's cruelty, actually.
Speaker 1: It is. And it's also when you find do you know Kolyon Neuwares?
Speaker 0: I know him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Great guy. He opened my eyes to the homelessness thing. We had him on the podcast, and he was explaining how he was in San Francisco. And he was, like, what is this?
It's, like, they don't have any money for this? Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, no. There's a whole business behind it. Of course. And these people that are running this homelessness initiative or whatever the fuck they call it, They're making 100 of 1,000 of dollars a year, some of them a quarter $1,000,000 a month.
Speaker 0: Imagine making money off the homeless.
Speaker 1: And not doing a goddamn thing.
Speaker 0: But what's so funny is I I I do think the root of their power and the one thing they're good at is just charging the moral high ground and taking it in the first moments of the battle. Yeah. They just run up to the moral high ground and are like, we've got this. This is ours, and they'll protect that at all costs. And it's like, that's kinda all they have is this self righteousness.
And if you can puncture that, it's like you're getting rich from the homeless, actually. Yeah. And is there anything more disgusting than that? It's some junkie who's dying in misery outside the convention center in San Francisco, and you're making money on that?
Speaker 1: Essentially using those people as a battery to expand the power of government.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And their own personal advantage.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're they're expanding government. They're making more government employees. Now there's tons of people that are working on the homelessness problem, air quotes. And, you know, they probably all have blue hair, and they talk nonsense.
And nothing's getting done, and no one's being punished
Speaker 0: for it.
Speaker 1: But when they when they did that study where they said that that they had no data, like, how are you? What? You you can't say whether or not it's doing anything?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You well, how'd you spend $24,000,000,000?
Speaker 0: But why are they not treated as, like, the most reprehensible people in our society?
Speaker 1: I think there's too many things to think about. Yeah. I think most people, unlike you and I, aren't even paying attention to it. They're paying attention to the fact that the tents are there. They're paying attention to if you go to Los Angeles, it's a fucking zombie apocalypse.
But what they're not paying attention to is what is going on? How many people are making money? I didn't even know until Koleon explained it to us. I had no idea. I I thought it was just they don't have any money.
They don't put any money in it, and they let these people sleep there.
Speaker 0: Oh, no. No. There's actual No. All these parasites.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Parasites. Government parasites.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: Those are real.
Speaker 0: Of course.
Speaker 1: And, you know, this whole idea of, I've created so many jobs. Like, what jobs? Are they government jobs that are just bullshit? Because there's a
Speaker 0: lot of those. What's crazy to me, just having spent most of my life in Washington, is how close this is to the lawmakers physically. So the US Capitol sits across from something called Union Station, which is a really beautiful train station, right on Capitol Hill. And so to get into the Capitol, you when there's a massive homeless city there, people dying of drug ODs right there. And so to get to work every day, lawmakers have to, like, step over the bodies of fellow Americans dying, like, dying, living outdoors, shitting in the bushes, addicted to drugs, which is hell.
Okay? And they have to ignore that on their way to creating utopia in some foreign country. And you're like, does it ever occur to you that that's disgusting that your primary duty is to the drug addict, your fellow American? You're doing nothing? And you're telling me how we're gonna make Eastern Europe into, you know, this brave new world?
I don't know. I just can't get past that. I think I'm not super sensitive or aware or anything. I'm not super anything, really. I'm pretty ordinary, but I think I would notice.
I would. Because I was, like, walking into vote on Ukraine aid. I'd be like, shit. There are, like, 5 junkies on the street. Like, maybe we should do something for them?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's very bizarre. It's bizarre that they can rationalize it or at least that they don't get called out by all their people. And this idea that it's compassionate, that you have compassion to lead these people and to give them aid and to help them and give them clean needles.
Speaker 0: But then you've gotta think, like, maybe there's something bigger going on, actually. Mhmm. Because there's no yes. There's an entire sector of the economy now that feeds off of human misery. The drug treatment centers that don't work, the homeless advocates who create more homeless, the, you know, migrant workers, you know, American born aid agencies, workers who, you know, increase illegal immigration and gang activity.
You know, this is all this. You know, people are making money off this. The arms manufacturers that help kill people in foreign countries, etcetera, etcetera. There's a vague in all of that. It's a scam.
It's a grift, etcetera, etcetera. But, like, there's something more. Like, there are a lot of people who seem to be just, like, for evil for its own sake. And you're like, maybe all the, like, crazy talk about a spiritual war of, like, good and evil, Maybe there's something to that. Maybe that's not an illusion.
Maybe that's like everyone else has always thought that.
Speaker 1: There are certainly forces that have evil consequences that exist.
Speaker 0: But they act on people from the outside. You feel it also on the other side. I mean, people are better than they naturally are sometimes. Like, you feel compassion for people or true empathy for someone or you you really wanna help someone. There's no advantage to you at all.
Like, why are you doing that? It's almost like you're being acted on by good, and all of us have known those moments where we just are cruel for the sake of it, hurt someone for the sake of it. What's that? There's no advantage to us. That's evil acting on us.
And I think we're seeing it at scale and, like, I grew up in the most secular world you could ever grow up in. Southern California in the seventies eighties and in a very secular family, and I've never really paid much attention to that. And all of a sudden, every, not everyone, a lot of people I know who had similar childhoods to mine, similar life experiences are like, maybe there is like a supernatural realm. Maybe there's more than just like what we can see and feel. Maybe life is more than just ordering shit on Amazon.
Maybe there's like a purpose. Maybe there is this battle between good and evil, around us that we can't see but that we do experience a lot.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's always been a narrative throughout human history. It's always been this recognition. Karl's over there snoring. I don't have my headphones on so I can hear them. Is it Are
Speaker 0: you you're snorting or snoring? Snoring.
Speaker 1: Carl's snoring. Carl the dog. You
Speaker 0: Oh, Carl the dog.
Speaker 1: Carl the dog. I like cars
Speaker 0: the dog.
Speaker 1: He's the best, but he snores when he sleeps. Because he's a little French bulldog.
Speaker 0: He's a sporty little bulldog. He's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's the best. Dogs don't get cuter. They might be as cute, but they don't get any cuter than Carl.
Speaker 0: I think that's right. Yeah. I've got some pretty good looking dogs, I will
Speaker 1: say. Yeah. I have a beautiful dog. I have a golden retriever, but he's not as cute as Carl. Carl's a different dog.
Speaker 0: Don't tell him that.
Speaker 1: He knows. He doesn't like Carl. Well, he he doesn't hate Carl, but he, like, ignores him. He thinks of Carl as a thief of attention only. Which he is.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Fair.
Speaker 1: So we've always human beings have always at least believed that there are forces of good and evil and that they they that's what exorcisms are about. Right? The idea that you're possessed. Yes. You're possessed by evil.
There's always been this thought that there's good and evil. But when did you start when did you start considering that and thinking that that's because it we weren't you at one point in time, you're weren't you a a Grateful Deadhead?
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. I listened listened to him this morning. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You used to travel around with them?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. How old were
Speaker 1: you when that was going on?
Speaker 0: I went to my 1st dead show in December of 1984, so I was 15 at speaking of the San Francisco Civic Center. Yeah. The New Year's shows. So they've always played in Oakland, but 1 year they played at the, in San Francisco. And so we were in Tahoe over Christmas and for some reason, my my dad was gone.
I don't really know where. So my brother and I drove illegally from Tahoe in the family vehicle to downtown San Francisco.
Speaker 1: How old was your brother?
Speaker 0: 13.
Speaker 1: So you drove? Or you drove? I drove. 15. You drove.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Wow. New Tahoe. So it was a couple hours. And, I remember being on the freeway, like, at 15.
Well, we had a pretty different kind of childhood. But, anyway, anyway, we just Is
Speaker 1: that you?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's me on the left.
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I don't know. I you know, I don't know how that that picture is hanging in my barn, and I've never you know, I don't release any pictures of myself or family or anything like that. And somebody came to my barn and took a picture that's hanging next to my sink and, and put it on the Internet. Wow.
So that's my brother, Buckley, on the right. That picture was taken so my dad was a reporter in San Francisco in the sixties and, pretty well known reporter. And that was in the eighties when I was in school, and we're home for Christmas vacation. And he had covered the Grateful Dead. He knew the Grateful Dead.
My dad did. So they were, in his office. They, like, came through DC, and they, like, called him. And they came over to his offer. Jerry came over to his office.
And my dad's like, I've got Jerry Garcia here. You guys should come down. So my brother and I, we lived in Georgetown, and we had a Vespa. Remember those? Yeah.
And we drove our Vespa. It was freaking cold out. I'll never forget that. We drove our Vespa down to 6th and e or whatever where my dad's office was, and there was Jerry. I'd never met him before.
He was missing the middle finger of his right hand famously, you know, the famously handprint, grateful that handprint. And but when you shook his hand, you could feel his it collapsed, kind of, because he didn't have that middle finger. But, anyway, so my brother and I drove to this to the to the New Year show. It was actually a couple nights before New Year's, and we didn't have tickets, of course. And, we were in the park across from there, and we were, you know, whatever doing the, you know, whatever things that people do at dead shows, and we're pretty freaking out of it.
And this guy comes up out of nowhere and puts a ticket around the face. He goes, here and hands me a ticket. So my brother, was extremely out of it. I mean, he was you know, I never should have done this, but I was like, alright, man. I'm going in.
Alright. And I left
Speaker 3: I left my little brother in
Speaker 0: the park during the show just, like, very, very impaired, like, super, super impaired. I it was completely wrong to do something like that, but I did do it. And then I went in and saw the show, kinda freaked out in the middle of it, hid in the men's room for a while. I'll never forget that. Standing on the with the stalls, smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Is it acid?
Speaker 0: Trying it was no. It was, psilocybin mushrooms, which by the way, I should just say, I got sober 22 years ago. I'm completely opposed to anything. Like, I don't take Advil. Like, I'm totally opposed to anything, but, other than nicotine and coffee.
But, yeah, it was mushrooms, so we ate way too many. And, started to to, to kind of melt down a little bit. But, anyway, the point is I get out of the show. This is pre sulfur. This is 1984.
And I get out of the show, and they played actually a lot of tunes that they didn't play. They played spoonful. Like, they didn't play spoonful a lot. It was, like, a pretty obscure tune. I'd never heard it before, actually.
And, I couldn't find my brother, my little brother. And I'm, like, in charge and, you know, my closest friend and lifelong friends. Talked to him this morning. And, but I couldn't find him. And I was like, oh, man.
My brother's got me. But there he was. He appeared, like, an hour later. He had spent the entire show in somebody's van parked there, but he seemed undamaged. And it was great.
I mean, not everything about it is great. I mean, I do think the drug thing got you know, definitely hurt people for sure. But from my perspective, I went to a bunch of probably 50 or more shows and really enjoyed it. And, I love the fact that they had 2 drummers. That was a huge thing for me.
I love rhythm. I think it's I think it's the basis of music. It's obviously the basis of music. I mean, instrument instruments are are cool, but they're kind of like interior design. And the the architecture is rhythm, and it's the universal sound that every every culture appreciates because it's it reflects something that's preexisting that's in you.
Everyone relates to rhythm, and I just absolutely loved the drums. And I love they would always play like it was called drums, actually, but they would play a section of every show. It was just drums. Bill Kraytman and Mickey Hart gone crazy on the drums, and they had drum circles, and and I just like drums. To this day, I listen to drums, just just percussion.
King Sonny Ade, the great West African drummer. And, anyway, whatever. So, yeah, I like the Grateful Dead a lot and still do. I like that kind of music.
Speaker 1: Jam music?
Speaker 0: I like jam music. I like acoustic music. I love bluegrass. Love bluegrass and Americana. And to see that grow, to see Billy Strings become like a venue packer, you know, like, Billy Strings is like a big act right now.
I do feel like creativity art has been completely destroyed and eliminated in the United States. There's like as we were saying earlier, you can't be creative if you're not honest. It's that simple, and we can't be honest, so there's no creativity. And in the visual arts and literature and architecture, it's died. But comedy is still alive.
Thank heaven. And music, for some reason, has escaped that and is still alive. Yeah. And the growth, the explosion of acoustic bluegrass, you know, the banjo, like, one of the great instruments ever, is just thrilling and like a sign of life, you know,
Speaker 2: at this
Speaker 0: late at this late stage.
Speaker 1: Well, I think when there's social pressures and when society's in chaos, art does tend to thrive. Some kind of art. Some art.
Speaker 0: That's right.
Speaker 1: Comedy certainly does now. Like, comedy has never been better.
Speaker 0: But it came close. It came close.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. The walls got breached. Woah. Yeah.
Speaker 0: No. But a few a few years, I don't know when it was, but, you know, 8 years ago or something, it felt like, oh, wow. You know, people can't tell jokes anymore.
Speaker 1: We kept doing it.
Speaker 0: Well, I noticed. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: Yeah. We kept doing it.
Speaker 0: Kept the little little embers alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there was it was flames. It's just you you know, when you get people in a club and you take their phones away and just have them just be actual human beings and not be filming everything Right. Just being completely trapped with this idea of capturing something and then putting it online. Then you get to have a human experience.
Speaker 0: You mean when people, like, live in the present Yeah. Rather than in the future or far away?
Speaker 2: That's one of
Speaker 1: the great things about going to a good club that uses Yonder bags for your phones is that it just takes you out of like, at the very least, it's a break. Like like, this podcast is a is a break for 3 hours of phones. There's no I'm not no one's checking phones.
Speaker 0: I love that.
Speaker 1: That's very rare with human beings, where they can just sit down and just have conversations for long periods of time Yes. Without being distracted by something.
Speaker 0: Not in my house, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a real problem with folks.
Speaker 0: It's a huge problem. It's a huge problem, and I the one thing I will say about my very unconventional childhood is there was a huge premium on meals and, like, eating with people. And spending 4 hours at the table was, like, totally normal in the house that I grew up in. Totally normal. In fact, it was, like, daily.
And that was our primary form of entertainment and mode of communication and, you know, thing that we did for fulfillment and fun. And I still do that. I still feel that way. And we have dinner parties constantly, and there are no phones, and people talk and entertain each other. And it's, like, it's so much more interest I'm not on social media.
But if I were on social media, I don't think I would find that on Instagram. I'm just and I'm not attacking Instagram, but I don't think I would find that, anything like that.
Speaker 1: No. It's it's, it's definitely a lost thing.
Speaker 0: It's such an easy thing and such a fun thing.
Speaker 1: It is a fun thing. Yeah. It's a great thing. And I think people enjoy it. And I think that's also led to the rise of podcast too, because they don't they don't get that in their real life.
So at least they get to be a too because they don't they don't get that in their real life. So at least they get to be a person who sits in on these conversations.
Speaker 0: I gotta say this is not being suck up because I don't suck up ever to anyone, but the effect that podcast have had is just is just incredible and I never would have predicted that. I would have a 1000000 freaking years.
Speaker 1: I would have never thought it. When when I first started doing this, it was in my living room with my friend Brian, and we did it on a laptop. And we had a webcam, and we're like With my friend, Brian. Yeah. Brian Redbend of Kill Tony.
You met Brian.
Speaker 3: Yes. I did.
Speaker 1: I just no. But I
Speaker 0: just love the phrase with my friend, Brian. Like, every bad story, like, me and my friend Brian.
Speaker 3: Today, we were That's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 0: We're down in Mexicali and I just me and my friend Brian.
Speaker 1: We just started fucking around online. And then then we started eventually bringing in guests. And then we eventually got a studio. And then eventually, I got, you know, a big place in LA like a real warehouse and then eventually moved to Texas. It all just eventually happened.
Speaker 0: But it's it was not I mean, I was in another part of media for that whole period. And if you had asked me it up until the last few years, like, the future is clearly shorter, crisper, more produced. Right? Right.
Speaker 1: Everybody would have thought that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Everyone did think that, including me, and I hated it. You know, I hate it. I like long form, but I never I was a long form magazine writer for years. So I I thought but I thought that was over.
Yeah. Not over.
Speaker 1: Everybody thought that. Yeah. Even my friends, they were telling me how to edit my show. They're like, you should edit that. No one's gonna listen in 3 hours.
I'm like, then don't listen. I don't care. Do whatever you want. I'm not I'm not making any money doing this. It was just for fun.
Speaker 0: I love that.
Speaker 1: This is fun for years. For years years, I did it just with no money. There was no money in it forever.
Speaker 0: What year like, how many years in did it start to pay for itself? 5? That's a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Long time. It was it took a while. I mean, it was making it was probably, like, subs existing. Yeah.
But about 5 years in, then it started making money. And then it was like, oh, it was a business. I remember very clearly, I was on stage once in Chicago. I was doing the Chicago theater, and I had this story that I was gonna tell. I'm like, how many people listen to the podcast?
And there's 37100 people in the place, and they went nuts. It was like, yeah. I was like, oh. Or I thought there was this, like, thing that I'm doing where, you know, a few people are paying attention. I don't even know what the I didn't even back then, I never even knew what the numbers were.
I didn't even care.
Speaker 0: Well, they may not have been like, could you even collect numbers accurately?
Speaker 1: You could get downloads off of, you know, like, whatever the, provider was that was, where the host, you could get, like, download numbers from the host. The because then they get they would use that to inform ads. Like, oh, he gets x amount of downloads per month, and then they would you know, that's when there's very few people advertising on podcasts. They're like, alright. Let's give it a try.
Speaker 0: But it's one of the great developments between podcasting and Billy Strings. Like, I have I'm serious. I have hope that it's not all going in the wrong direction because you can get this view that, like, everything is falling apart, late Rome
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Just a matter of time before, you know, it really does collapse. And then you see these signs that are not minor. You know, they're significant. That, like, no. People I mean, I haven't met a person in the past year who said, you know, I thought this, but then I was reading the New York Times, and I realized I was wrong.
Like, not one person. Right. But the number of people say, I was listening to this podcast. I was listening to Rogan and
Speaker 1: dah dah dah dah dah. It's like Yeah.
Speaker 0: Really noticeable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's why it's interesting. It's it's it's interesting because you could put people in front of people, and they might not even be right. They might be wrong. But at least now you're having conversations about something you would never have a conversation about before.
And even if this person gets ex exposed as being incorrect, well, now you have a more nuanced understanding of what the subject is about and why people think incorrect things. And, you know, this idea of, like, platforming people is a big one today. Why would you platform that person?
Speaker 0: First of all, platform is not a verb. And whenever they take a perfectly good noun and turn it into a verb, you know something bad is afoot. Yeah. Okay? Platform.
Speaker 2: Oh, you
Speaker 0: mean letting an adult human being talk?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: I think that's not only allowed. I think that's the law.
Speaker 1: Not only that. I think it's important for us. It's even important to talk to people that are completely different than you that don't agree with you at all.
Speaker 0: Well, it's especially important. Yeah. Otherwise, it's just mister Batory.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting
Speaker 0: to alone getting yourself off.
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting to know why these people think the way they think. And I and, also, there's so many people that if you talk to them online, you'd have these horrible conversations. But if you sit down with them as an actual human being and treat them with respect and consideration, He talks to them like a human being, and you just try to be as friendly and open and possible as possible despite what the your differences might be. You realize most people have a lot in common. A lot.
More way more in common than they don't. But
Speaker 0: that's the secret that they're trying to hide. Yeah. So mind control, you know, the end stage of mind control is censorship. Right? But it begins long before that, and it begins by creating false categories that wall off your willingness that prevent you from wanting to know certain things or talk to certain people, and name calling is the most obvious tool.
Like, he's a crank. He's a racist. He's a whatever. Fill it in. And then you're like, I can't listen to that person.
And I have to say your willingness to platform or to have a conversation with Alex Jones, I think was a revolutionary act, actually. Not that everything Alex Jones says is right. It's not. Not everything I say is right or anyone says is right, but Alex Jones is an interesting person. And even if he's not interesting, he has been walled off from the rest of us Yeah.
Through name calling. And your willingness to be like, no. Actually, we're just gonna listen to Alex Jones, and you can decide for yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, Alex has been my friend for more than 20 years.
Speaker 0: Well, I what exactly. But even if he just the yeah. But I'm sure you have other friends you haven't invited. And just like Right. You were not allowed to talk to him.
And when you hear Alex Jones talk, you may not agree with everything he says. I don't know that I do, but you definitely understand why they told you you couldn't listen to Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the reasons why I had him as one of the first guests when I came over to Spotify.
Speaker 0: Love that. I was like, let's go. What did they say?
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people weren't happy. We lost sponsors. It was it was an issue, but I think it it did the the job. You know? It it regardless of what he said that's incorrect, clearly, the Sandy Hook thing was incorrect.
You know, Alex I know Alex personally, so I know what he was going through. And, you know, everybody wants to talk about mental health, and they want to, praise people for being honest about their mental health issues and support them on their mental health journey to wellness. Alex has gone through some real issues. And one of the reasons why he's gone through some issues is because that guy is uncovering real shit that's terrifying every fucking day. And he was drinking out of control.
And, you know, he's just fucking constantly stressed, freaking out. And when you see so many lies and and so much propaganda and and so many psyops that are being done on people, You start seeing them where they don't exist, and that's what he did.
Speaker 0: Well, and he's also, channeling some stuff. There's you you can't call 911 in detail because you're super informed.
Speaker 1: Before the fact. He called it.
Speaker 0: Yes. He literally called it in the summer of 2001. He said planes will fly into the World Trade Centers, and they will blame a man called Osama bin Laden. We know that he said that because he said it on tape Yeah. Multiple times.
And then he said, call the White House and tell them this. Now let's just that's all we know about Alex Jones. Let's just say that's the fact set. How'd that happen? Right.
How did he do that? No. He's channeling something. Is that so? Yeah.
Of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: There's, like, no other I mean, tell me how he did it otherwise. I've asked him about it. How did you do that at length? At dinner in my barn recently, we're talking about this. How'd you do that?
I don't know. It just came to me. And that's real. That is real. The supernatural is real.
And I don't know why it's so hard for for the modern mind, I guess, because it's a materialist mind, to accept that. But what you and that's not a new phenomenon. It's happened throughout history. There are people called prophets. And there are people who were prophets who weren't called prophets.
But there are people who have information or parts of information, bits of information, visions of information come to them, and then they relay it. It's not from them. They received it. This is like the, know, one of the oldest phenomenon in human ex in human history. So those people tend to be a little crazy, a little imbalanced, a little different from everybody else.
Do do you know what I mean? They live on locusts and honey in the in the wilderness. I mean, that's just like that's they're not like everybody else, and that's clearly part of what I'm not saying that everything that Alex Jones says is a prophecy from God. It's not. But that was prophetic.
There's and if it wasn't, tell me how it wasn't. In in in July of 2000 like, I lived in Washington in July of 2001. You know, my dad worked in the government. Like, I was as well informed as anybody could be about what was going on in the government. I've always been interested in what's happening in other countries.
I was aware of Osama bin Laden. I knew about the Taliban. I knew, you know, more than most people. There's not one person who was saying not one person in Washington, DC was saying, you know, at some point soon, they may fly airplanes into the World Trade Centers and blame Osama bin Laden. Like, that just wasn't a thing.
So if you said that multiple times on camera, there's a reason. Like and and everyone I've said this to 50 people what I just said to you, and they all look at me like, that's stupid. Tell me how it's stupid. Tell me how he did that. Like, that's that's impossible.
Speaker 1: He didn't just do it with that either. No. I I'm aware. He's done it with a lot of things, and that's one of the more interesting things about him is that, like, he he talks about like, he talked about like, I'm gonna send this to Jamie because this is one of the really crazy ones that he he called. And this is, like, 2,000, 2,000, probably, I guess, 2017.
Here it is. Let me find this. Give me a second here. I'll find because I I sent it to him, like, how the fuck did you call this? Because it's it's one of those ones where you're like, oh, this is exactly what's happening now.
Here it is. Here, 2017. Hold on a second. I'll send you this, Jamie. Come on.
Technology. Let's go. Alright. I sent it to you, Jamie. So this is some guy's Instagram clip that I found that took a clip from the podcast, and he's doing commentary over.
Put these things on real quick.
Speaker 2: You
Speaker 1: got it? Yeah. Okay. Cool. Here we go.
Speaker 5: 22 years on podcast, Infowars, Alex Jones, and Joe Rogan discuss what's currently happening right now. Google, CERN, Technology, Vampire, Alien, in a nutshell. Alex was pretty on point with this message.
Speaker 2: Let me
Speaker 5: know what your thoughts are. Is he crazy, or is he on to something?
Speaker 4: He's really big. So okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Pour another shot of that. Maybe get this out
Speaker 2: of the problem.
Speaker 4: Know. Alright. Let me give you my best of the please. Jeep research approximation once you
Speaker 1: find going but am I, wrong to just still hold out hope that aliens are real? Because I tell you, that's 1 the 2 guilty pleasures that I still cling to is Bigfoot and aliens. Those are 2. Bigfoot, not so much. I wish it was real, but I just don't Are you ready?
Yes. Bigfoot through? No. Come on, daddy.
Speaker 4: No. Are you ready? Yes. I'm gonna give you the big of a shot. Joe, there are aliens in this room right now.
Speaker 0: For real?
Speaker 4: Yeah. You're not of this world, bro. Me?
Speaker 1: You're the alien. Oh, wow. I didn't know.
Speaker 0: Well, here's what the elite believe, and let me be very clear. This will
Speaker 4: be you'll take this out of context. I only go with what I can prove. Oh, thank you. And and people can't even handle that. There's armies.
We're fighting a pedophile conspiracy. But beyond that, it's a vampire conspiracy and that they are inter dimensionally sucking the essence of our youth. Right. And they believe they're possessed by an off world entity. They do?
Yeah. And then, Joe, I've been on air 22 years. I don't get into aliens, metaphysical, religion, any of that. I've studied ghillie, and I've also communicated with a lot of the top people. And then and if you wanna know, I will actually break down right now the best knowledge right now what's happening
Speaker 1: on the planet. What's happening?
Speaker 4: The elite are all about transcendence and living forever and the secrets of the universe, and they wanna know all this. Some are good, some are bad, some are a mix. But the good ones don't ever wanna organize. The bad ones didn't wanna organize because they lost after power. Powerful, consciousnesses don't wanna dominate other people.
They wanna empower them so they don't tend to get together until things are really late in the game, then they come together. Evil is always defeated because good is so much stronger. And we're on this planet, and Einstein's physics show that Max Planck's physics show that all there's at least 12 dimensions. And now that's why all the top scientists and billionaires are coming out saying it's a false hologram. It is artificial.
The computers are scanning it and finding tension points where it's artificially projected and gravity's bleeding in to this universe. That's what they call dark matter. So we're like a thought or a dream that's a wisp in some computer programs, some God's mind, whatever. They're proving it all. It's all coming out.
Now there's, like, this sub transmission zone below the 3rd dimension that's just turned over to those horrible things is what it resonates to. And it's trying to get up into the 3rd dimension. There's just a basic level consciousness to launch into the next levels. And our species is already way up at the 5th, 6th dimension, consciously, our best people. But there's this big war trying to, like, basically destroy humanity because humanity has free will and there's a decision to which level we wanna go to.
We have free will, so evil's allowed to come and contend, not just good. And the elites themselves believe they're racing or using human technology to try to take our best minds and build some type of breakaway civilization where they're gonna merge with machines, transcend, and break away from the failed species of this man, which is kinda like a false transmission because they're thinking what they are is ugly and bad, projecting it onto themselves instead of believing, no, it's a human test about building us up. And so Google was set up 18, 19 years ago. This was I knew about this before it was declassified. I'm just saying I have good sources that they wanted to build a giant artificial system.
And Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity with billions of people wired into it with the Internet of SANUS. And so all of our thoughts go into it, and we're actually building a computer that has real neurons in real time that's also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures so that they will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers, a true crystal ball. But the big secret is once you have a crystal ball and know the future, you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future. And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals as we know and a true 2.0 in a very bad way, high of mind consciousness with an AI jacked into everyone knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us, not in some PKD wirehead system where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure, but because we were already wired and absorbed before we knew it by giving over our consciousness taking place to shut this off before it gets fully into place and to block taking place to shut this off before it gets fully into place and to block these systems and to try to have an actual debate about where humanity goes and cut off the pedophiles and psychic vampires that are in control of this AI system before humanity is destroyed.
With AI? How do
Speaker 1: they get how the pedophile? Yeah. It's pretty much it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. See, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: It's
Speaker 0: I didn't understand about it. That was 7 years
Speaker 2: ago.
Speaker 1: Ago. Yeah. Okay. So No. 7 years ago, no one was thinking AI was gonna take over
Speaker 0: civil litigation. Can see why the FBI decided to destroy him, which it did. The people in I mean, it's just like what has happened to Alex Jones is proof that at least some of what he's saying is true. Because why who is Alex Jones a threat to?
Speaker 1: Did you see that interview with the guy from FBI was trying to hook up with that dude on a date?
Speaker 0: CIA. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Was it CIA? Yeah. That's right. And they they were talking about how they can destroy a person.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I think I was mentioned in there too.
Speaker 1: Were you? Yeah.
Speaker 0: I was. Yeah. I mean, there are a couple okay. So yeah. Again, I don't the 3rd dimension, I don't know anything about dimensions.
Okay? So I can't comment on that. But 2 things he said, are true. One, is that every civilization, every religion, the Greek menace, you know, every single one, including Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, has believed that there is sort of a that the spirit world and humanity are like that there's, you know, they're hybrids. Yeah.
Okay? So that's just a fact. Genesis 6. So, you know, I don't think that's crazy at all, given that it has been the belief of civilizations that had no contact with each other.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy, and I also don't think it's crazy to consider it. I don't think we have a real map of reality.
Speaker 0: Well, we definitely don't. And I exact better put than I than I explained it. That's exactly right. We don't have a real map, and it's not crazy to consider it. And it was a very it was an entirely conventional view up until fairly recently, that, yeah, that this the spirit world, like, I hate don't use phrase, breeds with people.
But that is that everyone thought that.
Speaker 1: Right. And even the term spirit world is probably a loaded term.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Of course. They're always Whatever it is. Right. You say it in a way that doesn't sound crazy, but the whole thing sounds crazy because we don't acknowledge the reality, the actual physical reality of the supernatural, and it is real.
That's the first thing. The second point that's obviously true is that people, weak people, which is a synonym for bad people, come together for strength and safety. They act as 1. Mhmm. The hive mind is is specific to a certain group of people, bad people, and that good people don't tend to come together, but they're coming together now.
And I just know I just noticed this. I mean, people independently who I know or sort of know, in many cases, have long despised, have come to exactly the same conclusions without talking to each other.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: I know that you have this experience all the time. Yeah. It's like, I can't believe you think that. How did you wind up thinking that?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And not just on a specific issue like foreign policy or COVID or whatever, but, like, on a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 3: They're all
Speaker 0: coming to the same conclusion, and they're coming together. And so that does suggest, you know, a a big a big change and a battle. I mean, it is a battle between good and evil. I'm not always convinced I'm on the good side. I've been, you know, an instrument of evil many times in my life, and I'm ashamed of it.
But Are you
Speaker 1: talking about the Iraq war?
Speaker 0: Yeah. The Iraq war. I've been cruel to people, probably even already on your show, in ways that are unjustified. That's my instinct to do that. That's a fault, not, you know, not something to brag about.
It's something I'm ashamed of. So I'm not I'm not saying I'm always on the right side. I certainly have not always been on the right side. I've been on the wrong side many, many times. But that doesn't change the fact that there is good, there is evil, they are at war with each other, and we are subject to the effects of that conflict.
And that we're seeing it suddenly play out in ways that are really, really obvious. There's no political explanation for the trans phenomenon. Nobody benefits. You can say I hear these see these right wingers be like, really? It's all about the people who make synthetic hormones.
They benefit. Yeah. Okay. They benefit.
Speaker 2: But that
Speaker 0: it's not driving it. That's stupid. It's not about the money, actually. There's no upside. It's not helping the kids at all.
If a child has anorexia, which is pretty common, actually, in this country, and the child thinks she's fat, you don't say to the child, yeah, you're fat. You you don't do that.
Speaker 2: You you
Speaker 0: give the child help if you can. It's hard to treat, but you you try. If a child comes to you and says, actually, I think I was born in the wrong body, the last thing you do is affirm that it's hurting the child. Like, why would you do that? If you love the child, you wouldn't do that.
It's really an exercise undertaken for the sake of destruction, for the sake of hurting someone. There's no real upside. What's another phrase description of that? It's evil. And, you see that a lot.
A lot. Yeah. And, why? Like, what is that? What is it?
And why is it so obvious to a completely even a completely secular person like me all of a sudden? There's a reason for that. We're you know, history is moving really, really fast. We're right in the middle of it. And I probably wouldn't have chosen to be born at the time I was.
I'd much rather sort of reach maturity in 1955. Really? Well, I don't know. I don't get to choose. You know?
I don't like drama. I don't like change. Like, I'm I think
Speaker 1: there was drama and change back then.
Speaker 0: There there there was, but people didn't reckon well, if there was a cold war, of course, there was a Korean war. Okay. But people didn't see it
Speaker 1: In their face.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 0: In the way I don't think Wouldn't
Speaker 1: you rather know? I don't have a choice. I do know. Yeah. I'd rather know.
I'd rather be right now.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, look. And you've got a much better attitude than I. I mean, sometimes I just my parents got divorced when I was little, and so I kind of like, I don't want change. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know what you mean. To me.
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Yeah. You know, I was having a conversation in the green room with a club the other night about this, guy from Canada that's, HIV positive, that's a trans woman, that's taking hormones so they can breastfeed their 9 month old daughter. So biological male is taking hormones and is now breastfeeding their daughter off of their male tit. And I said, if I was Satan, if Satan was real, I would do that.
Exactly. If I would if Satan's real, I would I mean, if Satan was gonna do something insidious and and unbelievably creepy, he would do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I
Speaker 0: think he is doing that, obviously.
Speaker 1: But this guy's a a real freak. Well but right. But he's also using public money
Speaker 2: too.
Speaker 0: But he's a victim too. I mean, the thing about right. Because the thing about evil the reason that evil is distinct from everything else, it destroys the vessel it's held in. The conduit through which it flows destroys the person. So, like, that guy in the end will not thrive.
Right. He'll be destroyed too. And so that's how you know that it's supernatural. In other words, if I, you know, if I steal your iPhone and sell it and I get an extra $400, like, that's kind of explicable. You understand why I'm doing that.
I want the $400. Right. But if I'm encouraging your kid to castrate himself, I'm not really benefiting from that, actually. There's no material benefit to me at all. There's no real psychic benefit.
It's it's hurting for its own sake. And, and that's evil. That's there's no political category that explains that.
Speaker 1: Right. And then there's clearly money involved in that.
Speaker 0: There is money. Of course.
Speaker 1: The gender affirming clinics that have popped up all over the country since 2007. Sure. You see the map of it? It's fucking bananas.
Speaker 0: But why would you wanna do that? That's why would policymakers want to do that. Why would
Speaker 1: anybody wanna make money that way? Right?
Speaker 2: Why
Speaker 0: would they choose to make money
Speaker 2: that way?
Speaker 0: It's the most unnatural thing ever because parents, every parent of a certain age feels like I I like my kids. I want grandkids. Right.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 1: want my protect your children.
Speaker 0: To continue. Yeah. From bad decisions. I always think the politicians who push trannyism on the country, like, their kids are going trans too. Yeah.
They are. Right. They're not escaping it. It's like they're burning down their own house. I would like to
Speaker 1: see the statistics of people in Hollywood. Like, how many of their kids turned trans A lot. Versus the rest of the world. Yeah. I know some of them too.
Yeah. But how many of them versus the rest of the world?
Speaker 0: Well, a lot more. A lot more.
Speaker 1: Which is a a morally corrupt business.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. Like, more than we knew, more than I knew, you know, the entertainment business. It's
Speaker 1: It's always been that way. You know, Tarantino was talking to us about, this famous old director that had a a bedroom in his office where he would bed the starlets, and it was just common knowledge. If you wanted to be in his movie, you had to fuck him. And then he'd go into his office. He had a literal bedroom in his office.
Speaker 0: We had some of that in television. Yes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Quite a bit. Yeah. And I didn't I didn't really under I didn't, you know, obviously partake in it or you would know because all my text messages went up to the New York Times. So, I'm not hiding any of my own behavior.
But, I mean, I I will say, if I'm being honest, it didn't really register with me. I was like, yeah. That's kinda wild and crazy. I just didn't you know, I like my wife, I don't wanna blow up my family. I didn't do anything like that really, but I certainly saw a lot, like, a lot of it, like, a lot.
And I just didn't really see it as, like, horrifying. I just saw it as kind of, like, well, you know, creative people are this way kind of thing. But I look back and I'm like, it was really dark.
Speaker 1: Well, especially the producer thing. Right? That like the Weinstein thing that the the way they ran the business. That that's how it was pay to play.
Speaker 0: I worked for Harvey Weinstein for a year.
Speaker 1: Did you really?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I did. When? 1999. He had a magazine, with Tina Brown called Talk Magazine.
I was the head political writer for it. And they had an office at Carnegie Towers in New York right below the park. And, and I remember the big con I mean, I remember that he was a pig. I was not like an intimate friend of his or whatever, but I certainly dealt with him. And the big controversy was he was smoking in elevators.
And, that was and I've kinda supported that if I'm being honest. But, but he was considered incredibly insensitive and just, like, vulgar. It's like a pig. Well, he looks vulgar. Yeah.
Well, that was certainly what everyone thought of him where I worked. Harvey's just a pig, and his brother Bob was a little bit less that way. He was also involved. But, but, yeah, people knew that he was a bad guy, but, like
Speaker 1: But he made awesome movies.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And and, also but he was just powerful. It's like Harvey Weinstein. Like, who wanna fuck with Harvey Weinstein? Right.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 0: mean, I didn't really think about it too much, to be completely honest. I was just he was just a guy I worked for, but I don't know. I didn't I certainly if you'd play the Alex Jones clip for me in 1999, I would have been and I did see Alex Jones clips in 1999. And then in later years where he was talking about building 7, and I was very offended. I was, like, outraged that he would be suggesting that there was something about 911 that wasn't above board, that there was, you know, things we didn't know they're being hidden from us.
And I was, like, mad at Alex Jones for saying that. I remember that really well.
Speaker 1: How dare you? The building 71 is wild.
Speaker 0: Well, it is it is I mean, I have no all I know is 21. I wanna know what year it is. 23 years? Could it really be 23 years after 911? 23 years later.
What's the justification for classifying any document around 911? There's no justification.
Speaker 1: Well, the same justification in classifying the documents about the Kennedy assassination. Exactly. 61 years later. Yeah. Or releasing the COVID vaccine data 75 years later.
Of course. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Right. I mean, it's of course. Look. Secrecy is different from privacy. Privacy is necessary for the dignity of this white.
You've got a door in the bathroom in your bedroom. Right? You know, you need privacy, need private thoughts. We have no privacy whatsoever. None.
No privacy at all. Thanks to the to the iPhone and government spying on us all. So there's no privacy, but there's massive secrecy. Secrecy is different. Secrecy of Betts' Law.
And the only reason to have secrecy is in order to do something that you're ashamed of other people knowing about that's that's immoral and probably illegal. And there's more secrecy than ever, and that means that there's more lying than ever. There are more crimes being committed than ever. That's the surest sign of it. Why are there a 1000000000 classified federal documents in a so called democracy?
Because they're lying to us. That's why. But 911, like, what is the justification for that? I don't know the answer. I really don't know the answer, but there is one.
That's for sure. It's not methods and sources. You think it's methods and sources? Trying to protect their Saudi sources? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: You know, the wildest thing about tower 7 is that if you just say it looks like a controlled demolition, people get mad at you.
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 0: Well, I I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that it is a controlled demolition, but I'm saying if you watch it, it looks like a controlled demolition.
Speaker 0: But that happens all the time. Buildings catch fire, and they just implode in on themselves. It happens every week. Right? All these poultry plants and manufacturing plants that keep getting burned, through fire, they all like It's the way it went down.
Yeah. So I say, why did they respond that way? And, of course, I responded that way. So when I think looking back, the reason that I did was because if you call that into question, you had to ask a lot of other really obvious questions you don't wanna deal with. And you might arrive at the conclusion that a lot of your most basic assumptions are false and that you've been had.
And it's just too destabilizing maybe.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, the real problem with tower 7 is they go, well, okay. If it was a controlled demolition, how is that engineered? Did they just decide to do that before September 11th? And you know how long it would take to rig a building like that?
Or was it built into the building? And how would they know it would even work? And how would they do something like that? And how would there not be a record of it being built into the building? Like, for someone to engineer And
Speaker 0: where's the sound signature on the on the tape? There would be a sound of the explosions
Speaker 1: going on. Bam. Bam. Bam.
Speaker 0: Which is a fair question.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So a lot of fair questions. And has there ever been a building that experienced a tremendous amount of damage because 2 enormous skyscrapers fell right next to it, damaged it, and then massive fire started. And then there's diesel generators that are in the basement. So they have all this fuel, so they have this incredible inferno in the basement that weakens the structure.
Speaker 0: Is that why it collapsed? Maybe. Totally possible. Yeah. A lot of building engineers disagree with that as you know.
Yeah. And, they don't think that could have happened, in the way you just described. I'm agnostic on it. What I because I don't know the answer, and I have no way of knowing. All I know is that there's no justification for keeping those documents secret that I can think of.
And if there is, tell tell us what it is. No one has bothered because nobody presses. And it's you know, I add that to the list of outrageous. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then it it gives you this feeling of helplessness because there's so many of those. They just pile on. There's always another one.
Speaker 0: Well, he was a government one. Spied on me, broke into my phone and spied on me, and I couldn't get a straight answer to that. And I'm I'm not a felon. And I'm
Speaker 1: But not only that, they used they got into your signal account. Right?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And then they leaked it to The New York Times, what they found there. So it's one thing to say, okay. We picked up your text exchanges with a foreign national, which is true. I text a lot of foreign nationals because of my job.
Like, why wouldn't I? And that's my right. As far as I'm concerned, that's not illegal. But we picked up your text exchanges, which I think itself is a lie. I think they were targeting me.
I think they are now. I know. I'm I'm pretty positive they are. But whatever. Leaving that aside, we spied on you.
We think we have justification. Is there a justification for leaking the contents of my private conversation to a news outlet in order to discredit me? No. There's no. That's secret police shit.
Okay? Yeah. I'm not whining. Oh, I'm a victim. I'm certainly not a victim.
But what was infuriating was my toe and I got members of congress involved because I was pissed, and I felt threatened. I couldn't get a straight answer. They were just like, we're not answering those questions, and what are you gonna do about it, bitch? What are you gonna do about it? Oh, you know, I don't I don't possess a drone fleet.
There's nothing I can do about it, actually. That's the truth. So when the system breaks down and things like, I don't know, honesty, justice, the law, none of those apply. The people in charge decide, Blatch doesn't apply to me. You are literally powerless.
And,
Speaker 1: bizarre that The New York Times wouldn't have an issue with that.
Speaker 0: Well, the New York Times does that all the time.
Speaker 1: But but but bizarre that they wouldn't have an issue with the government tapping into your phone.
Speaker 0: They work for the government. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: The New York Times? Yeah. The New York Times is a conduit for the lies of government. That's what it is. It's their tool, and they're perfectly aware of that.
I mean, I used to write for the New York Times as a freelancer. I mean, I've been around the New York Times a lot. And there are, yeah, there are a lot of really smart people there for sure. Even now, I would less so now, but there's still, I think, smart people there. There are.
I know some. And they know, but they think that that, you know, it's worth it because they're bringing information, or I don't know what they think actually.
Speaker 5: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: But, no, they're they're tools of power, and that's, like, the one thing that you're not allowed to be. Even if you think the power is good, like, maybe they all support the agenda of the US government and destabilizing the world and impoverishing their own population. Maybe they're on board with that. Even if they are, they shouldn't do it because the job of the media, the press, is to keep power in check. You are kind of like the seat belt.
Right? You know? Right. You make sure that things don't go too far. So and they're not doing that.
They're acting as a willing handmaiden.
Speaker 1: When do you think that's switched?
Speaker 0: I think it's been the case for a long time. I mean, if you look at what happened to Richard Nixon, which I, of course, did not understand at all, Richard Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA. And, with the help of Bob Bob Woodward, who was a Washington Post reporter who had been a naval intelligence officer working in the White House, working in the Nixon White House. And then he shows up, like, a year later, and he's this brand new reporter. He'd never been a journalist at all.
He's a naval intel officer. The famous Bob Woodward, we all revere, and he's at the Washington Post, and somehow he gets the biggest story in the history of the Washington Post. He's the lead guy in that story. Well, I I worked at a newspaper. I've been in the news business my whole life.
That is not how it works. You don't take a kid like his first day from a totally unrelated business and put him on the biggest story. But he was. He was that guy. And who is his main source for Watergate?
Oh, the number 2 guy at the FBI. Oh, so you have the naval intelligence officer working with the FBI official to destroy the president. Okay. So that's a deep state coup. What else how would you describe that?
If that happened in Guatemala, what would you say? And yet the way it was framed and the way that I accepted for decades was, oh, this intrepid reporter fought power. No. Reporter, Bob Woodward, was a tool of power, secret power, which is the most threatening kind, to tool of power, secret power, which is the most threatening kind to bounce the single most popular president in American history, Richard Nixon, from office before the end of his term and replace him with who? Oh, Gerald Ford who sat on the Warren Commission.
Now how did Gerald Ford get to be Richard Nixon's vice president? Well, because Carl Albert, the Democrat speaker of the house, told him you must choose him. We will only confirm him when they sent the actual elected vice president away for tax evasion, Spiro Agnew of Maryland. So you have a complete setup like an apps Joe Ford, the only unelected president in American history, actually sat on the Warren Commission. Something else that I accepted at face value until I looked at it, I was like, that's completely insane.
You didn't wanna interview Jack Ruby in your investigation of
Speaker 3: the of the assassination? Okay. You're fake.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He was on the Warren Commission. And so, sorry for the long story, but the point is, like, that that happened in front of all of us, but the way it was framed cloaked to the obvious reality of it. The people who broke into the Watergate office building from which the name is taken, Watergate, I think it was 6 of them or 7 of them. All but one was a CI employee.
That that's real. It's like, look it up on Google. So the whole thing Richard Nixon was elected by more votes than any president in American history in the 1972 election. He was the most popular by votes, which is the only way we can really measure popularity, the most popular president in his reelection campaign, and 2 years later, he's gone, undone by a naval intel officer, the number 2 guy at the FBI, and a bunch of CIA employees. You tell me what that is.
Those are the facts. Those are not disputed facts. That's not crackpot shit. That's just look it up.
Speaker 1: So why did they wanna get rid of Nixon?
Speaker 2: You
Speaker 0: know, there are a lot of theories on that. I mean, we don't first of all, we don't need to know motive to know what happened. They, meaning unelected federal employees, got rid of Richard Nixon, which is the most antidemocratic way to make a leadership change that there is. Okay? I should just say this.
I actually kinda believe in democracy. Obviously, it's not working well. Obviously, it's ending globally. There will never be another liberal democracy, unfortunately. But I'm attached to it because I was born here.
I really believe in it, and it's better than any other system. So that's why I'm pissed. What was their motive?
Speaker 2: There are
Speaker 0: a lot of theories on this. There's an amazing conversations on tape, between Richard Nixon when he was still president. It was in 1973, and I think it was Richard Helms, the head of the CIA, though I may have fucked that up. But it was the head of the CIA, and I think it was Helms. And Nixon says, I know why they killed Jack Kennedy.
So Nixon was a student of history, obviously, a flawed and complicated person, but a very, very smart person. And he was really interested in why this guy who'd been president, just one president before him, was murdered. And he didn't think it was a lone gunman who was mysteriously assassinated 2 days later by another lone gunman. Like, it's so obviously bullshit, and he knew that. And he said to the CIA director who and you can listen to the tape.
It's on the Internet. He's totally silent on this question. So I think there was the impression, I don't think I know, that Nixon understood that the bureaucracy was really in control of the country. It wasn't elected officials, and that's a massive threat, because it's true. So and there may have been other reasons too that I'm not privy to.
Look. All I and by the way, I didn't even know any of this despite having moved to Washington in high school and been around this stuff a lot a lot a lot. I didn't know any of and I know Bob Woodward personally. So I didn't and I know Carl Bernstein personally. I even worked for Carl Bernstein briefly.
So I I knew some of the actual players in this, but I didn't connect the obvious dots because they weren't framed that way. That's the point I'm making. It's the way that you frame things. You can have all the information available on Wikipedia, which is also controlled by the intel agencies, but it there's still information on there. The information can be out there in the public domain.
It's a matter of seeing it for what it is. Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Nixon said that he knew why they killed JFK.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: Did he elaborate?
Speaker 0: And it's worth listening to. It's a very weird conversation that takes place in the Oval Office, which famously had tape recording devices in it. Obviously, this became a big feature during the Watergate hearings. But, yes, that conversation and I may be mangling it slightly, but it's on the Internet and absolutely worth listening to. And the CIA director has this kind of sinister silence.
So, like, if if I'm the president, you're the CIA director, and I say I know why the guy who's just president 10 years ago was killed, the obvious answer would be like, well, why? Right. Why why do you what? You know why he was killed? You've got insight into the assassination of the US president?
He doesn't say anything.
Speaker 3: Just like a very weird response. Like, what? Just gotta
Speaker 0: throw that out there? Like, if you say to me, you know, we're taking a leak. You're at the next journal. And you're like, I figured out the secret to life. And I'm like, Okay.
That's, like, not a
Speaker 3: good response. Right?
Speaker 1: Right. Right.
Speaker 0: It's a telling response.
Speaker 2: Did you
Speaker 1: hear Trump's take on the JFK assassination? Why he didn't release the files? Yeah.
Speaker 0: I know what Trump's take is.
Speaker 1: He said that if you knew what I know, you wouldn't tell people either, which is crazy.
Speaker 0: Well, it What does that mean? That's his position on the UAP thing as well Yeah. Actually. And that's a lot of people's position on it. I mean, you know, Trump is saying, of course, the CIA had knowledge of it.
That is known. I mean, I mean, the whole thing, it sounds like it's so funny. I there's so many levels, and there's so much I don't understand. But the whole JFK conspiracy industry, and it really is an industry, more books written on that than almost any historical topic, is is filled with wackos. Right?
There are a lot of wackos in there. But it obscures that fact obscures the larger fact, which is the facts themselves tell an unbelievable story.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: And so, whatever. I could get into it at great length. But, yeah, Yeah. They're they're still classifying documents 61 years later. Both Trump and Joe Biden have, in violation of my read of federal law, kept those documents secret.
There's no living person connected to the Kennedy assassination. It was a couple generations ago. There's no one person whose whose secrets are being protected. It's an institution or maybe countries. There may have been countries involved too.
I mean, I don't know the answer, but there's clearly something worth protecting. And I know that when I I spoke to someone who'd seen the documents, okay, 2 years ago, and I got, I got one fact out of him, which is, yes, yes, the CIA was involved. And by CIA, CIA is a huge organization. But James Jesus Angleton, the head of the operations directorate, had knowledge of this, which I think is well known. But that that's the view of someone who saw the documents.
So I thought that was news, so I went on TV and said that. The next day, I'll never forget it, I went quail hunting. And I was driving back, and I got a phone call from Mike Pompeo's lawyer. Mike Pompeo was secretary of state, but before then, he was the director of the CIA. And in that position, he plotted the murder of Julian Assange.
So he is a criminal as far as I'm concerned. But, his lawyer called me and said, you know, you should know that anyone who tells you the contents of classified documents has committed a crime. He's threatening me. He's in my car. I'll never with my dog sitting next, I'll never forget this.
And I said, are you really saying that to reveal that the US government had a role in the murder of a democratically elected president, to say that out loud, that's the crime? What about the actual crime, which is murdering a president? Like, you're covering up for that, Mike Pompeo. He had no no response at all. And so Mike Pompeo is the one who pressed Trump to keep those documents secret.
And so it's like, what's crazy to me is not just that Pompeo did that. I think Pompeo is a really sinister person and a and a criminal. I think that. I think that because the facts suggest that he was caught. Yahoo News, Mike Isakoff wrote a long piece on this several years ago.
His employees went to Mike Isakoff and said, hey. Mike Pompeo was plotting to murder Julian Assange who's never even been charged with a crime in the United States as CIA director. That's illegal. You're not allowed. Federal employees are not allowed to just kill people they don't like.
Okay? Just just set the baseline here. So that's who Mike Pompeo is. But he somehow intimidated Trump into not releasing this. Well, okay.
That's all bad. Right? I think it's criminal behavior. What's crazy is how Mike Pompeo is treated. He's treated as like a Republican poohbah in good standing.
He fully expects to become the secretary of defense in a Trump administration, which is, like, completely insane. Why would you get criminal and give him nuclear weapons? Okay. That's my view. I think it's a common sense view.
And, like, he goes to fundraisers and dinners, and everyone's like, hey, Mike Pompeo. It's like, no. You're the guy who kept information the public has right to know secret. You're the guy who plotted the murder of someone who committed no crime. You are the outlaw.
You are the bad guy. But no. He's treated as like, you know, like a pillar of Republican Washington. I think that's I think it's mind bending to watch that. And by the way you know, whatever.
That's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: By the way.
Speaker 0: No. I mean, I'm you know, people don't say that because they're worried about getting punished. They're worried about someone putting kiddie porn on their computer.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Members of congress are terrified of the intel agencies. I'm not guessing at that. They've told me that, including people on the intel committee, including people who run the intel committee. The people whose job it is to oversee and keep in line these enormous secretive agencies whose budgets we can't even know. They're black budgets.
They're the parents. The agencies are the children. They're afraid of the agencies. That's not compatible with democracy. Democracy is a really simple system, even representative democracy like ours.
The people rule. They do so through elections. They express their preference through voting. They send their people to the capital city to run the government on their behalf. Whenever you have unelected people who are not accountable to anyone making the biggest decisions, you don't have a democracy, you have something else, another system.
I would call it a tyranny or whatever you wanna call it. It's not a democracy. So that's, like, super obvious it's playing out in front of everyone, and no one cares and no one does anything about it. And I and I think the reason is because they're threatened. And if you look at the committee chairman who allowed this shit to happen year after year, they're all and I don't know people say, oh, they're compromised or being blackmailed or whatever.
I don't have evidence of that, but I know them, and they all have things to hide. I know that for a fact. And so it's not a stretch of imagination to imagine that, you know, some committee chairman who's allowing warrantless spying on Americans to continue or whatever abuse they're allowing, knowing fully or hiding the truth about UAPs, ignoring the UAP disclosure act of 2023, like, why are they doing that? It's not impossible exclude. I they don't wanna be exposed.
I don't I don't have evidence of that. I don't have proof of that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: But that that's not a crazy thing to assume that that could be happening. And I said to somebody, a very powerful person the other day in a conversation in my kitchen, an elected official holds a really senior position, a very famous person. I was going crazy. I was so mad about all the stuff and about the warrantless spying and about the funding for these insane wars. And I said to the guy who serves in one of the legislative bodies, I got so mad my dogs were afraid.
They're like, well, why are you yelling? Because I don't yell at home. But I was like, all these people are controlled. They're all, you know, we've got weird sex lives, and all these things are hiding, and they're being blackmailed by the intel agencies. And he said, and I'm quoting, I know.
It was like, are we or okay. So at this point, we're just sort of we're just sort of admitting that's real? Like, how could why do we allow that to continue?
Speaker 1: The having people compromise thing, god, that's an old story. It's the oldest story. J. Edgar Hoover. I mean, it's it's it's, all of them.
It's Epstein's Island. It's everything.
Speaker 0: But look. I don't have any I'm telling you. I'm what's the phrase the finance guys use? Open kimono? Like, I'm actually telling you all I know.
I don't know anything else.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: But I know that the publicly available facts tell a really clear story, which is the government is not acting on behalf of the population. And so it's inherently illegitimate because its only legitimacy derives from the citizenry. The only reason the government can do things that it does, kill people, collect money by force, all the powers that it has come from one place, and that's the consent of the governed. That's the only legitimacy they
Speaker 1: And that's where it's fascinating, this concept of good and evil. Because when you think about it, if this is true and if these people are compromised because they're secretly perverts and creeps
Speaker 0: They are, though.
Speaker 1: And they're corrupt, and they they steal money or they all these different things are evil things, lying, controlling people, engaging in unnecessary wars that are gonna cost thousands of lives for profit. All these things are evil things. So if evil is real, evil would want those kind of people to be in a position of power.
Speaker 0: Yes. And here's here's would want men to
Speaker 1: breastfeed their children.
Speaker 0: Here's to, like, up here's the here's the illusion that we fall for time and again. We imagine that evil comes, like, fully advertised as such. Like, evil people look like Anton LaVanne.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 2: You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Black cloak.
Speaker 0: Exactly. Sickle. Evil is an independent force that exists outside of people that acts upon people. I really believe that I've experienced it. I've a lot, and it's obvious.
And what vessel do they choose? The weak. It's weak men and women who are instruments of evil. The weaker the leader, the more evil that leader will be. So it's and, unfortunately, we've reached a time in American history where every leader is either a woman or a weak man, pretty much.
And so there's I'm sorry to say it. That's just true. And the weaker the leader that's what Mike Johnson. Everyone's like, oh, Mike Johnson is such a nice guy. Well, I know Mike Johnson, and he's perfectly nice guy to the extent that he's, like, polite and seems kind of meek and restrained, and he's not saying motherfucker every ever.
You know what I mean? He's got, like, very sort of buttoned down affect, but he's he's a weak man. And that's the man you should be afraid of. The people who you shouldn't be less afraid of are the, you know, headstrong, loud, don't care what anybody thinks. Yeah.
Those guys will go off track, but they're probably not gonna abet, you know, genocide or blow up the world in nuclear exchange because they might they may be obnoxious, but they knew who they are. Weak people just become a host for evil. You know? An an open empty building that evil occupies, possesses even. And that's exactly what's happening to Mike Johnson.
That's, like, absolutely crazy of what Mike Johnson is doing. But it's not because he's evil. It's because he's weak and therefore susceptible to evil. It's a meaningful distinction that I have noticed.
Speaker 1: It is a very strange thing how many weak people wind up being leaders in this society, and particularly because so many people don't want their live exposed. They don't want that eye of Sauron gazing down upon them if they try to run for president.
Speaker 0: I get it. Or the physical threat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Physical I mean, look at what's happening to RFK, where the Biden administration, for the first time ever, denied him Secret Service protection. It's absolute as a legitimate presidential candidate.
Speaker 0: Well, it's absolutely nuts. Yeah. I mean, how is that I mean, it's hard. You know, you realize that a lot of the things that we took for granted were actually voluntary. Like, people just didn't do things because, like, that's just wrong.
That's not fair. You know what I mean? That's bad sportsmanship. Like, there was a lot of, like, self restraint involved in running a functional society. You can't kind of you can't just make an infinite number of laws and enforce them.
That's impossible. You rely on people to just not do bad shit because, like, I'm not the kind of person who does bad shit.
Speaker 2: Mhmm.
Speaker 0: And once the people in charge decide, well, I'm just gonna do whatever I want, not all you can do about it. So the Biden administration denies some secret service protection. And you're like, how can you do that? Like, well, we're doing it. What are you gonna do about it?
Bitch. And, like, the answer is nothing, actually.
Speaker 1: What is this most recent bill that they're trying to pass, about the ability to monitor phones? Well, it's
Speaker 0: just the nightmare scenario.
Speaker 1: It's something that they're already capable of doing because they did it to you, and they did it through an encrypted app.
Speaker 0: Oh, they do? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: How do they do it? Do you know how they use how they got into your phone?
Speaker 0: Well, there are 2 ways to do it's it's interesting. And I was I was with Ed Snowden, in Moscow and talked a lot about this because he's got the technical. He's, for sure, an excellent and principled person. And his his x feed is a really good place to start for people to understand what's happening here. He's paid a huge price for being, obviously, for he's literally exiled to Moscow, involuntarily.
But, there are a couple ways to do it. 1, you know, you could hack into signal, I guess. It's open source. It was created with CI Money as I'm sure you know. I'm not sure that's how you yeah.
I don't think you need to do that. You just capture the phone itself. You just capture the phone. And the bottom line on digital security is that nothing is safe from state actors who want to spy on you, period. There's no there's no electronic communication that they can't monitor, period.
Speaker 1: What about these things like Eric Prince has some new phone out? I think it's called unplugged.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Eric is a good friend of mine, and I've I I have a couple of those phones. I've talked to him a lot about it. And he's a really a wonderful person. One of my favorite people, actually.
But that that phone is is designed for a different purpose, I think. I know. And that that phone is designed to keep, Apple and Google from tracking you, which is sort of a separate category. Like,
Speaker 1: what's this, Jimmy?
Speaker 0: This is the bill, I believe, I think.
Speaker 1: Which bill?
Speaker 0: The one you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
Speaker 0: Yeah. So that's it. So to enlarge government powers. Scroll down to what you highlighted. So this is like a perfect example.
So, the Turner Himes bill, congressman Mike Turner and Jim Himes. So who are Mike Turner and Jim Himes? So it just be funny. Both those guys are the most and who knows why, and you can sort of fill in the blank on motive. I'm not going to.
But those are 2 of the most reliable water carriers for the intel agencies and for, basically, the federal bureaucracy in the congress. Like, these are not people who are working for their constituents. These are people who are working for permanent Washington. I would say these are 2 of the most sinister people. I know more about Turner than Himes.
But so it's not surprising they're doing this. It would permit federal law enforcement to also force any other service provider with access to communications equipment to hand over data. Anyone with access to a Wi Fi router, server, or even phone, anyone from a landlord to a laundromat will be required to help the government spy. So that's the story right there. So, basically, wireless.
Oh, of course, wireless. Absolutely. And in, you know, violation of the 4th Amendment to constitution as if anyone cares anymore, no one does, clearly. But I just remember when I was a kid, and we're roughly the same generation. You You remember this too.
People be like, oh, East Germany. Like, there are more spies than there are people. East Germany was like the most elaborate surveillance state ever created, and, of course, it collapsed. But we'd always make fun of East Germany or North Korea. Who do who has more privacy?
The average North Korean or the average American? Well, obviously, the average North Korean because there's less technology. The US government spies on its own population more than the North Korean government spies on its. That's just a fact. I'm not saying North Korea is preferable.
I'm not moving there. I'm not carrying water for North Korea. What I'm doing is criticizing my government because I live here because it was better, it can be better, it should be better, and it only will be when we demand it. And it's not some fucking like you have to be some crazy civil liberties lawyer or something. Like, every person should demand just as a starting point of baseline that, no.
You you're not allowed to spy on me. I didn't do anything wrong. Right. Like, what? Right.
No privacy, no humanity. You can't be fully human without privacy.
Speaker 1: And you also have to take into consideration that these people that are ahead of these intelligence agencies that are requesting these data are they're just human beings. They're human beings requesting data from other human beings without going through a court, without going to a judge and getting a warrant, without stating a case, without having, like, some clear national security mandate, something Of course not.
Speaker 0: And there's no justification. I mean, by the way, we had FISA. We've had the FISA, the foreign intelligence surveillance act, since, I think, 1977. So it predates 911. Did it stop 911?
Oh, I don't think it did. Shut the fuck up. You're not protecting us, actually. You open the southern border to anyone who wants to come. You're not checking IDs.
You're not doing any kind of biometrics. You're not even screening for COVID. So clearly, you don't care about my safety. Stop telling me you do. You don't.
You're a criminal. Stop this charade. You don't care about my safety. So using my safety as a pretext for spying me, it's not gonna fly because I'm not that stupid. I may be kind of stupid, I'm not that stupid.
No. You're doing this for one simple reason because this is what organizations do. They protect themselves. They exist for their own benefit. All human organizations from the church bake sale committee to the Department of Justice, they all are the same.
They're an organism just like any other, and an organism's main goal is to survive and reproduce to get bigger. And you just see this throughout the federal bureaucracy. Well, just so happens that the largest human organization in history is the federal government of the United States. And so all of this stuff benefits its it accrues to its own power. That's why like, let's say you believed every, quote, piece of science or scientific claim about global climate change.
You would not reach the same policy conclusions. You'd be like, well, the first thing we do is ban private air travel because, obviously, that doesn't make any sense. And then the second thing we need to do is, you know, whatever. You'd you'd look at it rationally from a scientific if if you bought the premise, which I don't. But if you did, you would.
That no. You go through every climate, quote, climate demand. Not one of them disempowers large organizations whether it's NGOs or the government of the United States. Not one of them. They all make the government more powerful and they all make you less powerful.
So that's when you know it's not really about the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere. It's about making them more powerful and disempowering you. And it's not about who runs those agencies. The bigger the agency, the more effective it will be in doing what all human organizations do, which is protect themselves and increase their power. It's like the it's fundamental.
I guess that's what I'm saying. It's not about, oh, elect Trump. It'll change. No. It'll only change when, like, we're just eliminating the CIA, and we're gonna have, like, a small intel gathering service that feeds the president relevant information so we can make informed foreign policy decisions.
But we're not gonna we're not gonna, like, overturn elections in other countries in the name of democracy because that's insane. If we believe in democracy, then we're gonna let people vote for their own leaders because we believe in democracy as a principle. Right? Right. Like, you just get rid of all this shit because it's not helping us.
It's only hurting us. And, it would take someone, you know, who'd be willing to be assassinated to do anything like that. And so as as you're choosing your leaders, ask yourself, does this person mean it enough to die? And that's the same question you would ask about your own dad. Does he love me enough to die for About your own husband, does he love me enough to protect me from a home home invader at risk to himself?
Like, the the basic prerequisite for leadership is love of the people you lead and the willingness to die for them. And if you don't have that, you shouldn't be leading, period. It's true in the military. It's true in business. It's true in your home, and it's true in the government.
And so no president will fix this unless he's, like, literally willing to die for it. And short of that, it can't be fixed.
Speaker 1: I can think of no better way to end this conversation than
Speaker 0: that. Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: You just nailed it.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, man. It's been very fun getting to know you. I think you are a very you're you're a controversial character in the world, but you're misunderstood. And, I think if people pay attention to your actual work and the things that you talk about, I think you're you're generally a force of good. I really believe that.
Speaker 0: I feel like I'm in the most conventional person who's ever lived.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm radical at all.
Speaker 0: I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1: In this crazy time, someone who's conventional and and wise seems radical.
Speaker 0: Maybe. I'm hoping for a better time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a better time is possible.
Speaker 0: Me too.
Speaker 1: I do. It's just, we're in for a rough ride.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm not, not disarming anytime soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Thank
Speaker 1: you, Tucker. Thanks, Jeff. Bye, everybody.
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At a historic Trump rally, the atmosphere was charged with energy and surprise guests. Comedian Tony Hinchcliffe criticized Hillary Clinton's comments, while Vivek Ramaswamy emphasized law and order. Former Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard and Robert Kennedy Jr. warned against a Kamala Harris administration, highlighting issues like censorship and economic hardship. Tucker Carlson and Dr. Phil also voiced strong support for Trump. Elon Musk electrified the crowd, urging massive voter turnout. The night concluded with Trump hinting at a significant secret with Matt Gaetz that would impact the election.
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Hillary Clinton warned Trump’s event tonight would be a reenactment of a 1939 Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden. What actually unfolded was one of the most patriotic events America has ever witnessed. The evening started off with a bang when comedian Tony Hinchcliffe explicitly stated the Democratic Party is looking “more and more like a P. Diddy party” after Kamala received a wave of “crazy endorsements” from the likes of Enimen, Beyonce, and Lio DiCaprio, and Taylor Swift. In an act of pure bravery, Hinchcliffe took on Hillary Clinton, warning the audience that if he somehow ends up committing “suicide” in the next couple of weeks, “[he] didn’t.” "Hillary Clinton said that this is a Nazi rally here today. Can you believe that?” he asked. The star of “Kill Tony” lamented that Clinton calls Trump “Hitler” when he’s “the most anti-war president of [his] lifetime.” "Let me remind you, Hillary, it was your husband who shot innocent people, or as he called them, interns," Hinchcliffe rebuked. “Yeah, Hillary, I bet you did not see that one coming.” Clip: @CollinRugg
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The speaker believes Travis Kelce might be the next OJ Simpson. The Democratic party is described as resembling a "P. Diddy party." Hillary Clinton allegedly called the event a Nazi rally and was reminded that her husband shot innocent people, referred to as interns. The speaker states that if they commit suicide in 3 weeks, they didn't actually do it. They believe the right candidate is "dodging bullets."
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Speaker 0: I don't know about you guys, but I think that Travis Kelce might be the next OJ Simpson. Feels good in here. The other side's got a lot of crazy endorsements. Swift, Eminem, Leo DiCaprio, Beyonce. Every day, the Democratic party looks more and more like a p.
Diddy party. Oh. Oh, okay. Hillary Clinton said that this is a Nazi rally here today. Can you believe that?
For the most anti war president of my entire lifetime, and she calls him Hitler. Let me remind you, Hillary, it was your husband who shot innocent people, or as he called them interns. Yeah, Hillary. I bet you did not see that one coming. By the way, if I commit suicide in 3 weeks, I didn't.
I mean, it's just obvious to me who the right candidate is. There's a guy out here dodging bullets. It is unbelievable. Right?
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Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) brought major energy, advocating for “safe neighborhoods, good jobs, clean streets” and “a country where you are judged based on the content of your character, not the color of your skin or your political beliefs.” He then issued a stern warning to the illegal immigrants that the Biden-Harris regime allowed to invade the country: “We will return you to your country of origin, not because you're all bad people but because you broke the law." Clip: @BehizyTweets
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Former Democratic congresswoman @TulsiGabbard took the opportunity to issue a grave warning about what happens under a Kamala administration. She explained that a vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for: • Dick Cheney and endless wars • Censorship • Open borders • Economic hardship, high costs, and poverty • Weakening constitutional rights and freedoms
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We stand together as Americans because our rights are under attack. As a lieutenant colonel in the army reserve who has served for over 21 years, I've seen the cost of war. A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney, more war, likely World War 3 and nuclear war. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for a man who wants to end wars.
A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for open borders, where violent criminals and Islamist terrorists are streaming across our borders. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for secure borders. A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for economic hardship, high cost of living, poverty, and homelessness. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for economic prosperity.
A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for censorship and a complete erosion of our constitutional rights. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for someone who will defend freedom. We must send Donald Trump back to the White House to be the 47th president of the United States where we can stand together and make America great again.
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Speaker 0: Join me as I say these words. We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal and that we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As we gather here today on this historic occasion, we stand together as proud Americans in understanding that these very rights are under attack. So we face this historic crossroads where our freedom and our future is in our hands. There's never been a more clear choice in any election in my life, and our ability to live in a truly peaceful and free and prosperous country is on the line.
I love you too. And it is that love, that love that brings us together here today, that love for freedom, that love for our country and love for each other as fellow Americans, as children of god, that compels us to take action to save our country and defend our freedom. Now this choice that we have before us is very personal to me. I'm a lieutenant colonel in the army reserve. I've served now for over 21 years.
I've deployed to different war zones 3 times over that period, and I've seen the cost of war. For my brothers and sisters who paid the ultimate price, I carry their memories and their sacrifice in my heart every day. So this choice that we have before us as Americans is critical. It's important to us. It's important to those of us who serve, who have volunteered to put our lives on the line for the safety, security, and freedom of our country and our people, and it's critical to all of us.
Here is the choice that we have. A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney, and it's a vote for war, more war, likely World War 3 and nuclear war. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for a man who wants to end wars, not start them, and who has demonstrated already that he has the courage and strength to stand up and fight for peace.
Speaker 1: A vote for Kamala Harris is a
Speaker 0: vote for open borders, where known violent criminals and Islamist terrorists are streaming across our borders, placing us at risk. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for secure borders and safe communities and a confidence that he will seek out those who seek to do us harm and get them out.
Speaker 1: A vote for Kamala Harris is
Speaker 0: a vote for economic hardship, high cost of living, poverty, and homelessness, and a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for economic prosperity and opportunity for every single one of us as Americans.
Speaker 1: A vote for Kamala Harris is
Speaker 0: a vote for censorship and a complete erosion of our fundamental and constitutional rights and freedoms. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for someone who will defend freedom and every one of our god given rights that are enshrined in the constitution and bill of rights. So the choice is ours. History will look back on us at this moment for the choice that we make. Did we choose war or peace?
Did we choose poverty or prosperity? Did we choose censorship or freedom? Our freedom and our future is in our hands. We have just a few days left to complete this no fail mission that we have before us to save our country. Nothing short of our future is on the line.
So now just as we've gathered here today in this historic place and this historic time, we will gather together all across this country, people of every race, ethnicity, religion, and creed, to stand together and defend our freedom and ensure our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now is the time for us to send Donald Trump back to the White House to be the 47th president of the United States where we can stand together and make America great again. Thank you so much. Let's get it done. Aloha.
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Another former Democrat, @RobertKennedyJr, described how the Democratic Party is completely unrecognizable from the party it was when his uncle, John F. Kennedy, was president. “I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me,” he lamented. Kennedy explained the Democrat Party: • Ditched peace and constitutional rights for war and surveillance • Sold out the middle class • Sides with the military-industrial complex and CIA • Divides America with identity politics instead of uniting us • Trashes women’s sports by letting men compete • Bowed to Wall Street, Big Tech, and corporate overlords • Brought in neocons and warmongers like Bolton and Cheney • Backed disastrous wars and launched the surveillance state • Pushed Big Pharma's agenda, leaving us with the sickest generation ever • Weaponized federal agencies to crush political rivals • Abandoned public health while chronic disease skyrockets
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I didn't leave the Democratic Party; it left me. It has strayed from its roots of peace, civil rights, and protecting the middle class. Today, it promotes war, censorship, and divides Americans. The party now aligns with Wall Street and big corporations, undermining women's sports and voting rights. Chronic disease is rampant, affecting 60% of Americans, while we spend excessively on healthcare.
We need a president who will restore moral authority, end the warfare state, and prioritize the well-being of our children. We deserve leadership that unites rather than divides, and that addresses corruption in federal agencies. It's time to vote for a candidate who will make America healthy and great again. Let's go to the polls on November 5th and support Donald Trump. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Speaker 0: A lot of people ask me why I left the Democratic Party. And I say, I don't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me. Is it not the party anymore of Martin Luther King, of Robert Kennedy, of John Kennedy? That was the party of peace.
It was the party at of constitutional rights, of civil rights, of freedom of speech. It was the party that wanted to protect and nurture the middle class. It was the party that stood up to censorship, to surveillance, and stood up to the CIA, the military complex military industrial complex, And it was the party that wanted to protect public health and and women's sports. My uncle Ted Kennedy wrote title 9 which protected women's sports in college. It was the party that believed in voting rights and fought for the right of every American to vote for the person of their choice.
Today's Democratic Party is a party of war. It's the party of the CIA. You had Kamala Harris giving a speech at the Democratic Convention that was written by neocons. It was belligerent. Ignatius had talked about the domination of the world by the United States through our weapons of war.
It's the party today that wants to divide Americans. It's the party that is dismantling women's sports by letting men play women's sports. It's the party of Wall Street. It's the party of Bill Gates who just gave $50,000,000 to Kamala Harris. It's the party and that it the Harris campaign is very proud that it received the endorsement of 50 former CIA agents and officers.
And of John Bolton. And of Dick Cheney. These are the people that gave us a war in Iraq. The worst foreign foreign policy catastrophe that's ever happened to this country. These are the people that gave us the Patriot Act that launched the surveillance state.
These are the people that are trying to undermine voting rights in this country by weaponizing the federal agencies against political candidates, including me and Donald Trump and all other political candidates that can't win an election. And instead of bringing in the type candidate who wins the primaries, abolish the primaries, and then pick 2 candidates, anointed them without receiving votes. We don't even know how Kamala Harris received the nomination. And this is the party of Wall Street, of big banks, of big data, of big tech, of the military contractors, and the parties of big pharma, big ag, big food, and big chemicals. It's the party that's given us the sickest children in the history of the world.
When my uncle was president, 6% of Americans had chronic disease, and we spent 0 on chronic disease in this country. Today, 60% of Americans have chronic disease. This is existential for our country. We're spending $4,300,000,000,000 a year. Five times our military budget.
77% of American boys cannot qualify for military service because of chronic disease diagnosis. This is existential for our country. President Trump called me after 3 hours after a shooting, and he said, would I come and sit down with them? And he said to me during that meeting, he said there are some things that we can agree on and some we disagree on, but the landscapes on which we agree are so much larger. He said I wanna end the wars.
I wanna end this surveillance and censorship. I wanna protect the constitution. I wanna protect freedom of stage. I wanna end the surveillance. I wanna end the weaponization of government against American politicians, and I wanna end the chronic disease epidemic.
Now, don't you think that we deserve a president in this country who's gonna restore the moral authority of the United States of America? Yeah. Only you think that we deserve a president who's gonna end the warfare state and rebuild the middle class? Oh, you want a president who's gonna put America first. And oh, you want a president who's gonna protect our children?
And who's gonna protect women's sports? And who's gonna stop dividing this country around long racial lines? And don't you want a president who's gonna end the corruption at the federal agencies, at FDA, at NIH, at CDC, and at the CIA. And don't you want a president who's gonna make America healthy again? And don't you want a president who's gonna make America great again?
And we need to go to the polls on November 5th and vote for Donald Trump. God bless you, and God bless America.
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The crowd went wild when Tucker Carlson issued a stunning rebuke to the ruling class, saying, “You are not better than us. No, you are not smarter than us. No, you do not deserve what you have. You probably stole it.” He explained, “The big lie is that they're impressive. That's what the big lie is that the people in charge have somehow earned the right to rule over you, and they haven't.” “No fair system would make Liz Cheney powerful. No fair system would make Larry Fink rich. No fair system would elevate someone like Kamala Harris to a presidential nomination,” Carlson declared.
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Tucker Carlson spoke at a Donald Trump rally, noting the unusual political alliances forming, such as RFK Jr. speaking at a Trump rally and Liz Cheney aligning with Kamala Harris. He highlighted Trump's courage in returning to New York City despite facing political persecution from its leadership.
Carlson believes Trump will win because his opponents don't understand why people support him. He argues the first reason is that Trump genuinely likes the American people, which they recognize, unlike the current leadership. The second reason is that Trump has liberated people from the obligation to lie.
Carlson claims the "big lie" is that the ruling class is impressive or deserving of their power. He criticizes figures like Liz Cheney and Kamala Harris as examples of undeserving individuals elevated by a rigged system. Carlson concludes that Trump has empowered people to reject this charade and speak the truth.
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Speaker 0: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage, Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I saw the Grateful Dead in this arena in 1987. I was seated right there. How weird. It's it's so it's such an honor to be here, and it's wild.
Just another day following Bobby Kennedy junior at a Donald Trump rally in Madison Square Garden. I mean, what? That's totally normal. Liz Cheney's out there with Kamala Harris, and there's Bobby Kennedy calling to protect women's sports at a Trump rally. It's a realignment.
It's unbelievable, and it the fact that it's here is even sweeter. Imagine if you're and just pause for one moment. Imagine you're Donald Trump. You're from New York City. You become famous in New York City.
You make your fortune in New York City, and all of a sudden, the leadership of New York City decides they're gonna destroy you because they don't like your politics. And so they yeah, boo. Imagine if that were you, though. And they try and take everything that you have. They try and put you in prison.
They try and put your children in prison. If that happened to you, how often do you think you'd be going back to New York City? How about never? And yet he's here. It's like getting thrown out of a bar.
And you think to yourself, well, you know, all my friends are in the bar. And you approach the door, and there's the bouncer, like, you're not allowed in here. But from behind the bouncer, you hear the cheers of your friend. Come on in. And the bouncer hangs his head in shame.
He's embarrassed that he's working for the man trying to keep the most popular person out of the bar, and that's Donald Trump back in the city that produced him with no embarrassment at all in a roomful of his friends. The stones that takes, the bravery that takes is incredible. Donald Trump's gonna win. He's gonna win. I know that that's true.
Why is Donald Trump gonna win? The people he's about to defeat have no idea, and they're panicked. They have no idea why people like Donald Trump. And their first theory was, well, Donald Trump is evil, so half the country's evil also. And that's one of the reasons they spent the last 4 years trying to destroy the country because they're mad at its voters for liking Donald Trump.
How much easier would it have been just to pause for 20 minutes and ask yourself honestly in some silent place, why do people like Donald Trump? And if they had been honest enough to ask themselves that question, they would have come up with the 2 main reasons, and here what they here's what they are. The first reason that people like Donald Trump is because he likes them. That's why. And it's real.
Affection is something you can't fake. I don't care how many times Kamala Harris would tell me she loves me. I don't believe her. I saw her kiss her husband with a mask on. A mask on.
That's her version of love. It's fake. It's not real. They spent 10 years telling you Trump is a hater. Do you feel that on him?
No. You don't. Because it's not there. I've spent a lot of time with Trump, and there's not one moment I've ever been with him off camera where he's spending his time grousing about people he hates, ever. He's talking about the people and the country he loves in his private time.
Trust me. And people know in a country that's been taken over by a leadership class that actually despises them and their values and their history and their culture and their customs really hates them to the point that it's trying to replace them. They know someone who actually has affection for them, and that's Donald Trump. And it's requited. It's requited.
They know. When he goes to McDonald's and serves fries, like, he's not baking that at all. That's why that worked. Democratic media consultants are like, how how is that working? Because it's real.
That's why. And the second reason that people love Trump, and I put myself in this category, it's why I'm here today, is because he's liberated us in the deepest and truest sense, and the liberation he has brought to us is the liberation from the obligation to tell lies. Donald Trump has made it possible for the rest of us to tell the truth about the world around us, and that's the single most liberating thing you can do for people. If you want to enslave people, if you want to degrade them, force them to tell lies, and they have. They force us to lie about everything at gunpoint effectively.
They put people in prison for refusing to lie. And not just the obvious lies that men can become women or Vladimir Putin blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. No. Honestly, he did. January 6th was an insurrection.
They were unarmed, but it was very. Not even the obvious ones, but the big lie. You know what the big lie is? The big lie is that they're impressive. That's what the big lie is.
That the people in charge have somehow earned the right to rule over you, and they haven't, and you know that. These are the single most useless people in the United States. They have no skills whatsoever. They've got 3 quarters of the money, and they didn't earn it. They set up a system precisely for the purpose of awarding themselves wealth and power when it's undeserved.
You look at Liz Cheney and you ask yourself honestly, what skill could she possibly have that allowed her to send 100 of thousands of people to their deaths? Did she earn that? I don't think she did. No fair system would make Liz Cheney powerful. No fair system would make Larry Fink rich.
No fair system would elevate someone like Kamala Harris to a presidential nomination. She's never been accused of doing anything useful. She has precisely no achievements. She's a nominee without getting a single vote. She is a metaphor for the system they created to make themselves rich and powerful, and then they have the gall to lecture you, the people who can actually change a flat tire and repair a power grid, who have useful jobs, who pay your taxes and work 40 hours a week, lecture you that you are somehow immoral.
And Donald Trump has empowered the rest of us through mostly just sticking around in the face of their hate and abuse and persecution. He has given the rest of us the right to call BS on the charade. No. You are not better than us. No.
You are not smarter than us. No. You do not deserve what you have. You probably stole it. No.
You're not gonna bully me into silence anymore. And I can promise you at this point, 9 days out when Robert f Kennedy junior and Elon Musk and Tulsi Gabbard and pretty much every high school senior and college sortie girl in the country has come out finally saying, yeah. I am for Donald Trump, actually. When the entire country has realized there is nothing embarrassing about this, what's embarrassing is to take a perfectly great country and destroy it as they have, I'm not ashamed you should be. At that moment, it's gonna be pretty tough for them.
10 days from now to look in the eye to America with a straight face, it's gonna be pretty hard to look at us and say, you know what? Kamala Harris, she's just she got 85,000,000 votes because she's just so impressive. As the first Samoan Malaysian low IQ former California prosecutor ever to be elected president, it was just a groundswell of popular support. And anyone who thinks otherwise is just a freak or a criminal. At this stage of the game, after 9 years of listening to their lies and finding every single one of them totally false, no, it's not safe and effective, and no, she's not impressive.
It's very hard for me to believe the rest of us are gonna say, you know what, Joe Scarborough, you're right. You're right. She won fair and square because she's just so impressive. I don't think so. And to me, that is liberation.
It's the freedom to say what's obviously true as a free man and not a slave. And I just wanna say thank you, Donald Trump, for that.
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Things got electric when legendary wrestler Hulk Rogan ripped his shirt off and delivered a six-minute speech of pure awesome. “I don't see no stinking Nazis in here! I don't see no stinking domestic terrorists in here!” Hogan observed. “The only thing I see in here are a bunch of hard working men and women that are real Americans, brother.”
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Welcome, Trumpomaniacs, to the house that Hulkamania built! The energy here is incredible, unlike anything I've felt before. This is Donald Trump's house, filled with hardworking Americans. When I hear Trump speak, he sounds genuine and dedicated to the USA, unlike Kamala, who seems scripted and out of touch. She’s responsible for the border crisis and inflation but pretends to be the hero. Trump is the one who can fix our country. After years of sold-out crowds, I finally have the answer: vote for Trump. We need to address the border invasion, inflation, safety, and bring God back into our homes and schools. So, what's the plan? Who's going to make America great again? God bless Donald Trump—he's our next president!
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Speaker 0: Well, let me tell you something, Trumpomaniacs. Welcome to the house that Hulkamania built. You know something? Usually, when I'm in Madison Square Garden, I'm body slamming giants. I'm winning world heavyweight titles, and I'm cracking people over the heads with steel chairs.
And the energy in Madison Square Garden is off the Richter scale. But today, Trumpomaniacs, the energy in here is something like I've never felt. The energy of all these Trumpomaniacs is the most powerful force in the universe. And today, this is Donald Trump's house, brother. You know something, Trump maniacs?
I don't see no stinking Nazis in here. I don't see no stinking domestic terrorists in here. The only thing I see in here are a bunch of hardworking men and women that are real Americans, brother. You know what I hear my president and our president Donald Trump speak? He sounds for real, brother.
He sounds like he has a heart of gold that's all for the USA. But when I hear Kamala speak, it sounds, yeah, it sounds like a script from Hollywood with a really, really bad actress. You know, Kamala is responsible for the border crisis, and Kamala is also responsible for inflation. And then you know something? She acts like she's the victim.
And then all of a sudden, she flips, she flops, she spins and turns it around and acts like she's gonna be the damn hero. But we all know Trump is the only man that can fix this country today. And with Trump as our commander in chief, peace through strength will fix all the problems in the Middle East. No. I've been coming to this building month after month after month, and I've seen sold out crowds over and over again for over 40 years.
And for 40 years, I've always asked the question, what you're gonna do? Over and over and over again. What you're gonna do? Well, today, after feeling the energy in this building, I finally got the answer. And the answer is vote for Trump.
So now I got a couple questions for you. What you gonna do about the border invasion? What you gonna do about inflation? What you gonna do about keeping America safe, brother? And what you gonna do, put by putting God in our homes, in our country, and our schools?
So I guess we're all on the same page. So I got one final question for you. What's you gonna do and who's gonna make America great again? God bless Donald Trump. He's our next president.
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Something remarkable happened when Dr. Phil McGraw risked it all with a surprising speech in support of Donald Trump. He called the Democratic Party a bunch of bullies because they ruin people's careers and shame them to oblivion if they dare support Donald Trump. Tonight, Dr. Phil gave the bully party a big (figurative) middle finger by throwing his support for Trump. “I'm not here just to stand up for Donald J. Trump. Lord knows he doesn't need me to stand up for him. He's tough as an old army boot. He's got lots of enemies, different groups that are scared. And between them, they have impeached him, indicted him, raided him, railroaded him, shot him, and sued him. And where is he? He is still standing. He just keeps on [standing] because he loves this country, too,” Dr. Phil explained.
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I love this country and appreciate everyone here for standing up for it. I'm not just here for Donald Trump; I'm here for those who support him but feel intimidated. Bullying is wrong, whether it's physical, verbal, or through cancel culture. Critics may label Trump a bully, but that's not accurate; it's a debate where he excels. We must push back against intimidation and support each other. We have the right to express our views without fear. Remember, the strength of our community lies in unity and acceptance. Let’s stand together, help one another, and not allow anyone to feel alone or marginalized. Love for America means standing up for all Americans. Let's take action, support our beliefs, and ensure everyone feels empowered to vote their conscience. God bless you and the United States of America.
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Speaker 0: You guys look just like you do when I'm on TV. Except for you. You look a little different. Listen. I love you guys for caring enough about the United States of America to come out here tonight.
Thank you so much for caring enough to come out here tonight. I have to tell you I love this country. I do. I love this country. I I I stand up when our flag goes by.
I put my hand over my heart when they play our national anthem, and I I I'm so proud to see so many people take time out of their day to come out here and stand up for this country. And, and strangely enough, I'm not here just to stand up for Donald j Trump. Lord knows he doesn't need me to stand up for him. He's tough as an old army boot. He's got lots of enemies, different groups that are scared, and between them, they have impeached him, indicted him, raided him, railroaded him, shot him, and sued him.
And where is he? He is still standing. He just keeps on coming because he loves this country too. I can be honest and say I I can be honest because we have free speech in America. I can be honest and say I don't like or agree everything that Donald j Trump does or says.
I mean, come on. Nobody agrees with everything or likes everything somebody else says or does. Right? No human is perfect. We don't strive for perfection.
We strive for excellence. But you don't have to love everything about someone in order to love them. And the last thing he needs is some celebrity endorsement. What the hell do I know? I know I'm no celebrity to begin with, and celebrities don't know anything about policies or politics.
So only difference between me and them is I'm willing to admit it. So why am I here? Well, I'll tell you why I'm here. I'm here to talk to and stand up for the people who have declared their support for Donald j Trump, or they got found out, or they want to do it but they're too intimidated. Because you know what happens when somebody in this country says, hey.
I'm gonna vote Republican. I'm gonna vote Donald j Trump. They get canceled, intimidated, marginalized, excluded, or even fired or boycotted. And you know what that means? In short, that adds up to being bullied.
And now we're talking about something I know a hell of a lot about. Now you're in my wheelhouse, buddy. I may not be an expert in politics, but I am an expert about bullying. And bullying is when you seek to harm somebody, you you seek to intimidate, coerce, cause distress, fear, risk to their well-being, and it can be physical, verbal, relational, or cyberbullying. And it's always wrong.
You said it my friend. It is always wrong when you bully somebody, and that's what's going on. Now let me tell you what the critics are gonna say when they hear me talking about this. They're gonna say, well, now wait a minute. Come on.
Isn't Trump a bully? And let me tell you why the answer to that question is no. Because to be a bully there has to be an imbalance of power, And when there's not, it's just called a debate, and he's just better at it than anybody else. It's called debating. It's called arguing.
It's just it may even name calling, but it's not bullying unless there's an imbalance of power. And whoever he talks to, they've got a microphone. They got on their big boy pants. They got a stage. They got everything else.
He's just better at it. And the same thing is true. When the Democrats or Harris call him fascist, Hitler, racist, misogynist, or crook, is that bully? Well, not really. It's ugly.
But with the first amendment, which we all wanna keep, there's no imbalance of power so it's not bullying. It's just like what he does. It may not be the best use of energy, but when you attack civilians, when you attack a a citizen and you use the power of the Internet to use mob mentality, you incite people to gang up and cause boycotts, then it's beyond ugly. And that's what's happening in this country right now, and that's not okay. There is an imbalance of power there, and it's time that every one of us close ranks.
We have to stop this now. It's time that we push back against cancel culture. It's time that we push back against intimidation tactics, and that is exactly the reason that I launched Merit Street Media, which by the way, we didn't choose the name for that by random. Merit Street Media. This country was built on hard work, added value, and talent, not on equal outcome, not on DEI.
This country was built on hard work, and it needs to continue to be built on hard work. And the legacy media has sold out. The legacy media has sold out. And I'll tell you, one night, I was sitting at at dinner with my wife, Robin, and I was complaining as we were flipping around and listening to the spin spin spin on what supposedly news. And I said, damn.
I'm tired of listening to all this media spinning everything. And without even looking up she said, well, you are the media. Why don't you do something about it? She said, you got bigger ratings than the 4 of them combined. Why don't you do something about it?
Well, as usual, she was right, and that's why I launched the new network because we want people to think for themselves. You guys aren't dumb. You don't need to be told what to think. You just need the facts. And you're here because you have the facts.
Right? You're here because you recognize when legacy media edits answers and gives you what they want you to hear instead of the truth. And when they start editing their candidate's answers, they've lost their moral compass. They've lost their way. And I would love to say it's equal on both sides, but I'll guarantee you when Beyonce, George Clooney, De Niro, and Lizzo come out and say they're for Kamala Harris, When they all come out and say they're for Kamala Harris, did you read anything or hear anything in the media criticizing it?
No. But you watch what happens tomorrow morning when people find out I came here to talk to you. You you say this in Hollywood and all of a sudden you ain't got a job. The problem is I don't need one. I don't need a job because I got you.
And I've got a question for all of us, have we lost our minds? We have the first amendment in America where our government has said we will pass no laws to infringe on our freedoms for religion and speech. So that's the law but we're muzzling each other. What the what what is going on? We have a law that protects free speech so we start taking it away from each other.
Are you kidding me? We can't allow that to happen. We cannot encourage it. And let me tell you something about bullying. Bullies are bad.
Right? Let me tell you what else is bad, bystanders. If you are a bystander, if you are watching somebody get picked on, if you're watching somebody get bullied and you don't do anything about it, you're just as guilty as the bully that's doing to bully you. Am I right? I have talked to so many children in schools that tell me the worst feeling they've ever had is being bullied and feeling alone and abandoned when they are picked on and intimidated, when they wish even one person, either one even one other kid would step up and say, hey, Come sit with me at lunch.
Don't sit in a stall in the bathroom and cry your way through lunch and eat alone. We're not going to let you be alone, and it's the same thing with adults. Adults don't want to be cut out of the herd and feel like they're alone. The number one need in all people is acceptance. The number one fear is rejections and bullies.
They prey on that. We must claim the right to our point of view. We must be critical thinkers, and when you see somebody being picked on then you've got to be willing to step up and say, hey. I'm with you. Don't let that happen.
And you've got to know why you're strong on the issues you're strong on. You got to know why you're strong on affordability, and safety, and security, and the border, and family care for men and women, and law and order, and your core values for your children's education in our military. Know why you're where you are, and when you come to your friends and coworkers being bullied don't be a bystander. Don't be a bystander. You can't let it happen.
When you say you love America, that's a verb. That also means you love Americans. You've got to push back and call out the bullies. You've gotta stand with those that have targets in their lives. Targets if they're picking on them by calling their jobs to get them fired.
Boycotts are kicking them out of their at their jobs at church or their groups at church. I've spent 45 years listening to people, and I was just in North Carolina and after the after the hurricane hit down there. And you know what? I saw neighbors helping neighbors and not one of them ask are you a democrat or a republican. I saw neighbors happen neighbors, and we need to unify this country.
You have the right to vote for who you want to vote for for president, and we need to step up and claim it, and we need to stand with each other. There are so many who want to, but they're bullied so they're afraid to. Let me tell you something. One of the most important days in American history was 9,122,001. Not 911, we all know what happened on 911.
One of the most important days was 9 12 because on 9 12 we all woke up and we were all Americans on 9 12. If you were an American on 912, stand up right now. If you were an American on 912, stand up right now. That's who we were. That's who we are.
And the difference between winners and losers is winners do things losers don't wanna do. And we have to stand proud to help our neighbors who want to vote their conscience and not be afraid. No one should be alone. No one should feel abandoned. No one should have their business boycotted.
If you hear somebody's getting their business boycotted, you should get your friends and make sure their business gets doubled. If somebody pulls their advertising from your friend's business, you should let those advertisers know you're gonna spend the rest of your life making sure that advertiser is boycotted until they do the right thing. You need to let people know this is over in America. We're going to unify this country. We're gonna listen and not be intimidated.
We're gonna go out and lead by example. Let's quit complaining about what is and start doing something about it. If your neighbor wants to vote the other way, say fine. Go vote the other way. I'll love you anyway.
Let's lead by example. If they wanna do it, let them do it. Love them anyway. But as for you, the collective you, I don't want you to just listen and say nice talk, doctor Phil. I want you to march in your life.
I want you to march with your beliefs. I want you to not be intimidated. Don't be stopped and don't just vote. Take 5 people with you. Like I said, the difference between winners and losers is winners do things losers don't wanna do.
And what they do is they take actions toward known outcomes. They deal with the truth. They set goals, and they go after them with passion. And it's time for us to bring it home. It's time for us to bring it home.
It's time for us to be winners, winners, winners, winners. I started by telling you I love this country. I'll finish by telling you I love this country, and I love you for loving this country. God bless you and God bless the United States of America.
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Once @JDVance walked on the stage, he took the opportunity to deliver a seven-minute smackdown on Kamala Harris. “Nine days from now, we're going to tell Kamala Harris, 'You're fired. Go back to San Francisco, where you belong. Get the hell out of the White House!'” he blasted.
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I'm going to discuss Governor Tim Walz and the challenges he faces. He has to convince people that Kamala Harris can fix the problems she has contributed to over the past three and a half years, like the southern border crisis and the affordability crisis caused by her policies. Despite her claims of being a candidate for change, she hasn't provided concrete solutions or acknowledged her mistakes. In interviews, she struggles to articulate her plans and often deflects questions. The American people are aware of her failures. Together, we will support Donald Trump in restoring American prosperity, securing our borders, and protecting our rights. Trump sacrificed his comfortable life to fight for the country, and he remains ready to lead us to greatness again. Thank you all for your support.
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Speaker 0: Now I'm gonna maybe surprise a little bit of the folks in this arena because I'm gonna be a little bipartisan here. I'm gonna talk about governor Tim Walz, and I gotta be honest with you. I feel bad for him. No. No.
No. Well, we ought to spare a prayer for governor Tim Walz because he's got the hardest job in American politics. You you you all can say that. I probably shouldn't say that. But think about our our friends our friend Tim Walz has gotta convince the American people that Kamala Harris is gonna somehow fix the very problem she's been creating over the last three and a half years.
He's gotta pretend that Kamala Harris didn't open up the southern border and let millions of illegal aliens in even though we know she did. He's gotta pretend that Kamala Harris didn't cast the deciding vote on 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars of new spending, which created the worst affordability crisis in 40 years in this country. And he's gotta pretend that Kamala Harris actually has ideas in her head for how to govern the United States of America. Now if you are the praying type, and I imagine a lot of us are, please say a prayer for Tim Walz because they're asking him to do the impossible. Kamala Harris acts like she's the candidate of change when she's been in office for 4 years.
She says she can fix everything, but Kamala, day 1 was 1400 days ago. What the hell have you been doing that whole time? Now my my favorite my favorite Kamala Harris moment is that when somebody asks her for specifics on how she'll make life more affordable or groceries cheaper, she'll say, well, I grew up in a middle class family. You say, Kamala Harris, how are you gonna close down the southern border because for 4 years you've left it wide open? And she'll say, well, I made the hash browns when I worked at McDonald's, and I was pretty good at it.
And anybody with a lick of common sense is saying Kamala Harris, you didn't answer the question. You didn't actually tell the American people how you're gonna fix what you broke. And I gotta be honest with you, even on that McDonald's answer, I'm not sure that she ever worked at McDonald's. In fact, I think our president, Donald j Trump, has probably worked at McDonald's for longer than Kamala Harris has. Now I will say I'm gonna say one thing in Kamala Harris's defense.
She does one thing very well. Look at this. You guys, you weren't ex you weren't expecting me to be so bipartisan, but I will say this for Kamala, that every time she does an interview, I think Donald Trump picks up about a 100,000 votes. Now we're, of course, in one of the proud baseball cities in the United States of America. So you know the problem with a softball interview is that you've gotta be able to hit a softball still, and that's that's the problem with Kamala Harris is I don't think that she could hit a tee ball based on what we've seen over the last couple of weeks.
When she was asked what she would do differently compared to Joe Biden, she said nothing comes to mind. She's running she's running on how she's gonna be different, but she couldn't name a single thing that she would do differently than Joe Biden. Now I will say that could be the Kamala Harris official campaign slogan. Kamala Harris, nothing comes to mind. Now the other day, CNN asked if she had made any mistakes as vice president.
Now here's what she actually said, and I am quoting word for word. She said in my role as vice president, I mean, I've probably worked very hard at making sure that, I am well versed on issues, and, I think that is very important. It's a mistake not to be well versed on an issue and feel compelled to answer a question. Now I have no idea what any of that means, and frankly neither do any of you. None of us know what the hell she says.
Now she may not be able to make she may not be able to name any of her mistakes, but the American people sure can. And non days from now, we're gonna tell Kamala Harris, you're fired. Go back to San Francisco where you belong. Get the hell out of the White House. Now together together, Donald j Trump and all of us as part of this movement are going to unleash a golden age of American prosperity.
We're gonna make life affordable again in the United States of America. We're gonna put the American dream of home ownership within reach for millions of American young people. We're gonna secure our border, and we're gonna keep our families safe. We're gonna protect your right to free speech and religious liberty, and we're gonna do it all thanks to the leadership of 1 man. Now we have to remember, that one man, Donald j Trump, 8 years ago go back 8 years.
He had everything. He had fame. He had fortune. He had family. He had friends.
But he gave up the easy life to save the United States of America. When they couldn't beat him, they tried to bankrupt him. When that didn't work, they tried to impeach him. When that didn't work, they tried to put him in federal prison, and when that didn't work, they even tried to kill him. But as sure as the American flag still waves, Donald Trump still stands, ready to fight, ready to win, and ready to make America great again.
God bless you all. Thank you so much. Let's do it.
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UFC President @danawhite had some equally-harsh words for Kamala Harris. He exposed the Democrats for using the same playbook that they used for Obama in 2008. But there’s just one problem: “She [Kamala Harris] is not Obama, and she is no agent of change,” White explained. “She is the sitting Vice President of the United States right now. What she hopes is that voters will focus on the future because she doesn't want us looking at the last four years to see what we really need to change.”
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We are just 9 days away from a crucial election. President Trump, a resilient and hardworking leader, has proven his ability to build a strong economy, secure our borders, and maintain respect globally. In contrast, the other candidate, the sitting vice president, has failed to face voters and offers vague promises without a clear plan. Under her administration, inflation has soared, illegal immigration has reached record levels, and global conflicts have increased. She has indicated she wouldn’t change anything from the past four years. Hope is not a plan, and real change won't come from the status quo. For true leadership and a return to prosperity, border security, and stability, vote for Donald J. Trump as the 47th president of the United States. Thank you, New York.
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Speaker 0: Ladies and gentlemen, we are 9 days away from the most important election of my lifetime. Stakes have never been higher, and the choice has never been clearer. President Trump and I have been friends for 25 years. I've said this before, and I'm gonna say it again. He is the most resilient, hardest working human being that I've ever met in my life.
I know he's a great leader. This is not my opinion, not my hope. He's proven he can build the strongest economy in American history. He's proven he can secure our borders and keep our nation safe. He's proven to be the strong leader, allies and adversaries alike must respect.
He's proven he loves this country so much, he's literally put his life on the line for it. What has the other candidate proven? She can get your party's nomination without even facing voters. What else? What else can she offer the American people other than vague promises and no plan?
She talks a lot about the need for change and her hope for the future. Hope and change. Does that sound familiar? She didn't use the old Obama playbook, but she's not Obama, and she is no agent of change. She is the sitting vice president of the United States right now.
What she hopes is voters will focus on the future because she doesn't want us looking at the last 4 years to see what we really need to change. We need change from sky high inflation. According to Yahoo Finance, the cost of groceries is up over 25% during the Biden Harris administration. Food is unaffordable for most Americans. That has to change.
We need change from wide open borders. BBC News reports illegal immigration reached record levels since they took office with an estimated 10,000,000 border crossings. That's a 300% increase compared to the Trump administration, and that's not including the unknown millions who cross undetected. That is the record of the other candidate, the borders are of the Biden administration. We change from weak foreign policy.
According to the Institute For Economics and Peace, a nonpartisan think tank, there are think about this. There are more active armed conflicts now than any time since World War 2. Weakness from the Biden Harris administration has invited aggression and conflicts around the globe. When president Trump was our commander in chief, the world was a much more peaceful place. JD Vance touched on this, but I wanna hit it again.
Vice president Harris was asked recently by the objective journalists of The View if there's anything she would have done differently than Biden over the past 4 years. And, again, her answer was there is not a thing that comes to mind. So don't take my word for it. Take hers. She will not change a thing.
Hope is nice, but hope is not a plan. Change is needed, but change won't come from the status quo. And she is the status quo. If you want real change, you'll vote for proven leadership. If you wanna return to economic prosperity, border security, and global stability, you'll vote for the one candidate who's proven he can deliver all of that.
My fellow Americans, if you want what's best for your family and this country, you're gonna vote Donald j Trump as the 47th president of the United States. Thank you, New York. Have a good night.
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The atmosphere became absolutely electric when a stoked @ElonMusk entered the building. Musk roared with a sound that is hard to describe. Whatever it was, it was EPIC.
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Elon Musk is introduced as the greatest capitalist in the history of the United States.
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Speaker 0: Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the greatest capitalist in the history of the United States of America, Elon Musk.
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Musk was asked, “How much do you think we can rip out of this wasted $6.5 trillion Harris-Biden budget?” His response was stunning: “Well, I think we can do at least $2 trillion.”
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I've got one question before I leave: how much can we cut from the $6.5 trillion Harris Biden budget? I believe we can save at least $2 trillion.
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Speaker 0: Alright. I've only got one question for you, then I'm getting out of here because this is your stage. But we set up Doge. Yes. How much do you think we can rip out of this wasted $6,500,000,000,000 Harris Biden budget.
Well, I I think we can we can do at least 2,000,000,000,000. Yeah. Yes. 2,000,000,000,000.
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Musk epically told the packed audience at Madison Square Garden, “We're going to get the government OFF your back and OUT of your pocketbook!” “All government spending is taxation. So whether it's direct taxation or government spending, it either becomes inflation or it's direct taxation,” Musk explained. “Your money is being wasted, and the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is going to fix that.”
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You're being taxed through government spending, whether directly or indirectly, leading to inflation or wasted money. The Department of Government Efficiency aims to address this issue. Our goal is to reduce government interference in your finances.
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Speaker 0: You're being taxed. You're being taxed. All government spending is taxation. So whether it's it's direct taxation or all government spending, it's either it becomes inflation or it's it's direct taxation. Your money is being wasted, and the Department of Government Efficiency is gonna fix that.
We're gonna get the government off your back and out of your pocketbook.
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@VivekGRamaswamy @TulsiGabbard @RobertKennedyJr @JDVance @danawhite @elonmusk “America's not just going to be great. America is going to reach heights that it has NEVER seen before,” @ElonMusk continued. “The future is going to be AMAZING!” The crowd responded with thunderous chants of “ELON! ELON! ELON! ELON!” https://t.co/ygP93jHlJW
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America is poised for greatness, with a future that promises unprecedented heights. The potential ahead is remarkable.
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Speaker 0: America's just not not it's just gonna be great. America is gonna reach heights that it has never seen before. The future is gonna be amazing. No.
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@VivekGRamaswamy @TulsiGabbard @RobertKennedyJr @JDVance @danawhite @elonmusk To this, Musk replied, “You guys are AWESOME!” before joining them in patriotic chants of “USA!” https://t.co/T4gdzAsV2U
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You all are amazing! This positive energy truly embodies what America stands for. USA! USA! USA!
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Speaker 0: You guys are awesome. Honestly, this is like What? Yeah. I mean, this is this is, like, this is the kind of positive energy that America is all about. Yeah.
USA. USA. USA. USA. USA.
Woah. Yes.
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Musk then urgently called on every freedom-loving American to vote and encourage their friends and family to do the same, aiming for a margin of victory “so big that you know what can’t happen.” He called on voters to deliver a “massive overwhelming sweep of every swing state. And even some of the states that aren't people don't think are swing states. “Massive, crushing victory,” Musk reiterated. “Get everyone, friends, family, people on the street [to vote]. Put the signs up; put the hat on. Let's go!”
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We need to rally support for President Trump. It's crucial to encourage friends and family to vote. Early voting is important, and we will provide a scorecard to track early votes by state and county. The goal is to create a significant margin of victory, ensuring a decisive win in swing states and beyond. Get involved—put up signs, wear hats, and spread the word. Now, I’m honored to introduce the First Lady, Melania Trump.
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Speaker 0: Now I I have, I have something I wanna ask you to do, though, because, obviously, we're we're somewhat preaching to the converted in this stadium, but there's a lot of people out there who who who need to vote for for president Trump. Okay? So the like, this is a real battle. This is a real election battle, so you need to get friends and family to to vote. Make sure they vote.
Vote early. This is important. We're we're gonna be putting up a scorecard. Okay? An early vote scorecard, state by state, county by county.
What is the scorecard? Vote early. Vote now. Yeah. Make it make make the the the margin of victory so big that you know what can't happen.
Massive, overwhelming sweep of every swing state, and even some of the states that aren't people don't think of swing states. Massive crushing victory. Get everyone, friends, family, people on the street. Put the signs up. Put the hat on.
Let's go. And with that, it is my, honor to introduce the first lady, Melania Trump.
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The night ended with a cliffhanger when Donald Trump announced that he and Representative Matt Gaetz (R-FL) have a “little secret” that’s going to have a “big impact” on the election. "Our little secret is having a big impact... He [Gaetz] and I have a secret. We'll tell you what it is when the race is over," Trump teased. On the edge of his seat, popular 𝕏 influencer @BehizyTweets wrote, “I've never wanted to know something more in my life. What could he be referring to?”
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We need to focus on getting the senators elected, as we have a good chance of taking the Senate. Our strategy is making a significant impact on the House as well. We have a secret that we believe will help us succeed, and we’ll reveal it after the race is over.
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Speaker 0: We gotta get the senators elected because we can take the senate pretty easily. And I think with our little secret, we're gonna do really well with the house. Right? Our little secret is having a big impact. He and I have a secret.
We'll tell you what it is when the race is over.
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@VivekGRamaswamy @TulsiGabbard @RobertKennedyJr @JDVance @danawhite @elonmusk Thanks for reading! If you enjoyed this post, please do me a quick favor and follow (@VigilantFox) this page before you go. In case you missed it, check out the highlights from Trump’s earth-shattering interview with Joe Rogan. https://t.co/HQKXcKcuFR
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Jaw-Dropping Rogan-Trump Interview Crushes Kamala Harris Campaign The full three-hour talk summarized in less than 10 minutes. 🧵 THREAD https://t.co/PbyZ5E5Kd6
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Bannon Incredible interview with Tucker just wow! https://t.co/8L1nKYtIzV
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The political landscape has not changed; Trump remains the choice of the people in a fair election. However, there's a pervasive belief that the Democratic Party will cheat, undermining democracy. The current opposition includes the entrenched bureaucracies, businesses reliant on government, and a social class threatened by change. This coalition fears Trump’s candidacy because it jeopardizes their power and status. The spiritual dimension of this struggle is significant, as politics reflects deeper cultural battles. A recent personal experience has reinforced the importance of acknowledging our ignorance and focusing on eternal truths rather than just political victories. The conversation highlights the moral implications of actions like abortion and the consequences of societal choices, emphasizing the need for a deeper understanding of our spiritual reality.
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Speaker 0: Events and stadiums. You had the president around the other day in, I think Glendale, Arizona absolutely mesmerizing. I think the president was up there for 2 hours. Give us your sense of, of where do you think we are in this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I just had the same first of all, welcome back. And I I just wanna say directly to you what I've said to everyone, you and I are friends with in common, which is that your, courage right before you went into prison was one of the most amazing and inspiring things I've ever seen. You were you were you behaved like the man I wanna be, on your way into prison unfairly on fake charges, and you never wind. And I just I just never really seen anything like that. So I just wanted to say that directly to you.
Thank you for that. I my sense of where the race is has oh, I mean it too. It hasn't changed in the past several months. Trump is the choice of the country in a free and fair election. Without cheating, he would win.
The question is, do we have the system? Obviously, we don't. And what I'm really struck by is how virtually every Trump voter I talk to and and maybe even some on defense voters says basically the same thing. You know, it's just a question of how much the Democratic Party cheats in this election, which is another way of saying the whole country seems to have accepted the reality that, you know, one of the 2 big political parties doesn't believe in democracy is willing to cheat and ignore the will of the population of the citizenry. That's really dark.
You know, you hate to think you live in a place where people just, you know, accept that as normal. It's not normal. It's criminal. It's immoral, and we should do everything we can to fix it. Right?
And the and the last thing I would say is as someone who spent, you know, I don't know, something like 15 hours in depositions, imposed on me by voting machine companies, and I was never named in any suit by a voting machine company, but they went on their way to harass me, I think, funded by Reid Hoffman, stole my text messages, leaking to the New York Times. I'm bitter about it still, but the you know, for the last year and a half, the whole, you know, conservative media has been cowed into ignoring what's really obvious, which is we should not have electronic voting machines. They don't work. They're not more efficient. They're they're not better at counting, and they don't produce the result faster.
The only reason to have electronic voting machines is if, you know, you wanna subvert them. It's insane that we have them, and no one feels free to say that. So I just wanted I want and I think I've been proven right on this. And we have every reason to be suspicious of electronic voting machines. I don't want anyone to tell you otherwise.
Speaker 0: In seeing the opposition that we have here, it's deeper than just a political party, and it's deeper even than and you you've come out of and know the media as well as anybody. We have a there's this apparatus that used to be called the military industrial complex, but now it's the intelligence community, it's the tech community, and it's the legal apparatus that has gotten into a formidable beyond an administrative state and and something that, you know, people call the deep state, but it's not really that deep. It's up in your face. What is gonna the victory that we have here is a populist uprising and really grassroots because Trump didn't have a lot of support at the beginning of this of this of this part of the journey. How do we confront that?
Because that's what's gonna be quite evident, I think, starting in the next couple of days. And because, Tucker, you know this. They're just not gonna sit there and pat us on the head and say, hey, this is great. You guys turned out more voters in North Carolina and Arizona and Wisconsin and ended lovely. You know, that Tucker and Elon and, Tulsi Gabbard and RFK and all these new people who come to this to this movement, think they have ideas about the country.
They're just not gonna sit there and say this is great. Here's the keys. You guys take it out for a spin, and, and we'll just watch what happens. Your thoughts, sir?
Speaker 1: I mean, there are 3 components to the coalition that Trump is facing off against, and all three of them see their very existence threatened by his candidacy. The the first is, you know, the actual deep state, the the bureaucracies, that control our country and have since at least November of 1963. And they're utterly vested in the current system, and they fear above all disclosure. In other words, they've committed a lot of crimes. We have the outline of some of those crimes beginning with the murder of the president 60 years ago, but a lot subsequent to that.
And, you know, where did all the Ukraine money go? There's never been an audit. And so if Trump has declassification power, some of them risk going to jail. They and they know that. That's the first part.
The the second part of the coalition is business, and that's simply a function of the size of the federal government. It's the largest human organization in history. It has the most money. And there are businesses, particularly in the finance sector, that are totally dependent on, on this system in order to to get rich. I mean, if you're Larry Frank Fink or anybody in Larry Fink's category, you know, you can't continue, to make 1,000,000,000 of dollars without the pension funds who are all, you know, public employee pension funds.
They're all part of the system. And so you're really vested in this for financial reasons. And the 3rd and most obvious part of this coalition is an entire social class, upper middle class, mostly white, urban people who have jobs that are basically going away because they're not necessary. This would be the entire NGO sector, the education sector, all the soft jobs, the marketing jobs, that that our economy doesn't actually need, that are in fact a drain on the economy. They're not productive in any sense.
They're not creative. They don't build anything. They basically just leech off the system already in place. And these people, most of whom I don't understand this consciously, but they know it on a gut level, these people are really threatened by any change. And by the way, change is coming in the form of AI anyway.
All these people are gonna be out of work. They will never make it into the class they aspire to join, which is the ruling class ever. But in all the you drive through the suburbs of our cities, Washington, most famously, but also New York and Philadelphia, and then you see an Eastern seaboard or on the West Coast, and you see clusters of Kamala Harris signs. What is that? And these are, you know, upper middle class white families.
Why are they so vested in Kamala Harris? Because they understand that their membership in this class is at stake. They feel deep social anxiety, status anxiety. I know these people. You do too.
You've lived around them. I have as well. And they understand that their world is collapsing. It's all going away. It's all about to be revealed unnecessary.
AI will reveal that their jobs are just unnecessary, and that includes lawyers and some physicians too. And that's why they are so emotional about this election because it's not simply about Trump, and they'll say, oh, he's orange. He's vulgar. He's a rapist. Now they'll make up some justification for it.
But what's really happening is their world is collapsing, and they know it's collapsing. And they're panicked, and very few of them are thoughtful enough, altruistic enough to put aside, you know, that fact, which is to say, you know, the their future, and try to make the country better. So, really, it's everybody with power against Trump and Elon. That's the way I see it. If he wins, it will be it'll be a miracle.
It'll be a historical event.
Speaker 0: The historical event in in closing the win. Right? Because remember, go back to 16 where it's immediately the nullification project, the Russian, you know, interference, all of that. When you have those forces of the established order aligned against you, and this is obviously, I think, gonna take us a while to work through on the voting, all that, what would be your recommendation to president Trump? Because you have to be maniacally focused.
This is where you can't just be throwing out. So if you had to be maniacally focused of how you close this victory and then rapidly because you're not gonna have unlimited amount of time. You're gonna have some limited amount of time to start to make some pretty fundamental changes. What is Tucker Carlson's recommendation?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's enormously complicated. You know? In other words, what does Wednesday look like and Thursday, Friday, Saturday for the next 2 months until until inauguration day? It's really hard to know. Here's the difference between what we saw in 2020, which is someone who's on the periphery of that watching carefully.
He was hosting a daily show, at the time. It was enormously frustrating to watch because the response was incompetent. I think the difference between then and now, 4 years later, is that Trump is not alone. I mean, as you'll remember very well in 2020, he couldn't get a lawyer. He couldn't get a lawyer, and he was roundly criticized for hauling Rudy Giuliani out there in front of the microphones.
And I, you know, I thought Giuliani did his best. It's not his area. It's not what he does, but he he tried and was mocked for it. And ultimately, they tried to send him to prison for it. But that was that was the a decision made in desperation.
I mean, there was, like, no competent lawyers who were gonna represent Trump. They weren't allowed to, as we now know. This time, Trump has an actual coalition. I mean, the country has changed. American politics has changed.
The things that you predicted in 2016 are finally coming to pass. I think you can't overstate the significance of Elon Musk joining this. The guy, not only the richest person in the world, but the man with the most to lose is involved in this, the largest federal contractor. I mean, Elon Musk joked to me, and he has, I think, many times that he's gonna go to prison if Trump loses. You know, I don't know if he's going to prison, but he'll he'll be destroyed for sure.
And he's doing it anyway. So that gives a lot of different people heart, people who are vested in the system, Marc Andreessen. I mean, you see David Sacks. I mean, you see people with a lot to lose on Trump's side. And they've said so publicly, and they're they're marked for destruction if this doesn't work.
And so they will be at Trump's side, I think, in the aftermath. If if this is contested, I pray that it isn't. You know? I think all of us do on both sides pray that it's not contested. But if it is, it's not gonna be Trump out alone with Jenna Ellis, you know, sort of holding press conferences and hoping for the best.
Right?
Speaker 0: Yes. A 100%. Something it it's come up in the last couple of days. I know because obviously I followed you for years. You were a daily caller and Andrew had Breitbart and then Fox.
You've been very hesitant in the past to talk about your spiritual journey or to talk, you know, to get off topics of politics and culture and and power and media. But I was fascinated about this revelation of of this event that happened in your life. Do you think that there are deeper forces at play here? Is this more than just Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and a bunch of guys running around, talking about in this material world, you know, politics and being Democrats and taking on the intelligence, legal, financial apparatus. Is there something deeper going on here?
Speaker 1: Well, Breitbart, who I was just thinking about yesterday. What a what a good man who's been gone for, gosh, 12 years anyway, I think. Used to say famously say, that politics is downstream from culture. Culture is downstream from the spiritual battle. So not only is the is this the the battle in the unseen world, not only is it part of what we're seeing, it is it is actually what we're seeing.
We're seeing the physical manifestations of something that's been going on, for eternity. As for why I don't talk about that stuff. I mean, on the one hand, I'm a WASP. Sort of trained not to talk about that kind of stuff. And, no, I'm just it's a cultural thing, and you just don't talk about money or religion in public ever.
It's hard for me to talk about it with my wife. And for another, I never wanna hold myself out as some paragon of virtue because I'm very nonvirtuous and have led a really pretty spotted I have a pretty spotted record, I would say. So I don't I don't wanna be I don't wanna discredit in any way the faith that I have, but I will say, yes. I have experienced that personally, that sort of popped out in a conversation I was having with an old friend of mine called Scooter Downey, and it went up on camera. I was a little bit shocked to see it.
But, yeah, no. I was on February 20th, 2023. I was attacked in my bed by a spiritual being and clawed and left bleeding and scarred. And do I understand what happened? No.
Of course, I don't. I don't really understand anything, but that did happen to me. I don't care if people believe me or not. It it did. And I think it was just a just a a momentary glimpse of something that's happening at all times, which is, again, this war between forces that we can't see, but that has been ongoing and has been, in fact, described by every culture since the beginning.
Every culture that we know about has described this battle, and, in fact, it's been the basis of every religion. It's certainly the basis of Christianity, which I think is true, by the way, factually speaking, Christianity is true. But even if you don't, I think you can acknowledge that we're the only culture that hasn't been really absorbed in thinking and talking about this. Not since we dropped the atomic bomb in Nagasaki, the second one in August of 1945, and decided that we were gods, and the god himself no longer existed. Since then, we have been a secular society, and that's why we're now being destroyed in my view.
But even if you don't buy any of that, you you have to acknowledge that we're living in an anomalous time. This is the only period, these 80 years, where people haven't been daily discussing the spiritual battle around them. Every other culture has. And in fact, the remote ones still do, and they're all right and we're wrong. And the big change in the moment that we're living in is people are awakening to this fact that we've been on this vacation from reality, a vacation from spiritual reality.
And of course it's not just a part of what we're seeing, it's definitive. And I and I'm not just saying that anyone who disagrees with me is evil. I'm not saying that. I have been evil many times in my life and unfortunately will be again. So I'm not again I just want to be really clear that I'm not sort of holding myself up is like you know as a great person or a perfect Christian or anything like that but this this exists quite apart from me or my behavior.
It's true. And, and now it's sort of unmasked and anyone who's paying any attention at all. I mean, look, if you're making the case that, you know, sometimes we need to have an abortion, okay. If you're making the case that abortion is an affirmative good, you are evil. You're practicing child sacrifice.
And that is exactly what they're doing as every culture before us has. But to see the treasury secretary that dwarf Janet Yellen get up and say, you know, you can do your part to help the American economy by killing your child. That's no different than the Canaanites, actually. So if people who don't see that clearly, that's exactly what it is. Worshipping abortion, the killing of kids, not as something that, like, needs to happen, unfortunately, but it's something that is good.
It's pro abortion. You know? People but it it and I have to say, I'm I'm sure I'll be attacked for things, but I really believe it. People are like, oh, well, we had another hurricane, must be global warming. No.
It's probably abortion, actually. Just being honest. You can't do that. You can't kill children on purpose knowing that you're doing that in exchange for power or freedom or happiness, whatever you think you're getting in return. You can't participate in human sacrifice without consequences.
You just can't. Sorry. I'm sorry to say that. Trust me. I'm a secular person from La Jolla, California who's baptized in the Episcopal church.
And if I can see that, if it's obvious to me, then I think it's very obvious to a lot of people.
Speaker 0: Well, how does how is that event then, how is it informed your life today and and what you're trying to do? Because I find this the most of all your insights and things on on politics and power and everything like this, I'll be blunt. I think this is the most profound, you know, direction of your thinking. I mean, it's when I read the other day, I would say, wow. Because, yes, Tucker is a WASP.
Tucker is one of those guys. He's not gonna get emotional. You said about me not wanting you don't hear Tucker whining. He's not that type of guy. I think this is actually fascinating.
How has it informed not just your life? How's it informing you as one of the most significant, figures, public intellectuals on the world stage?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I I think it's just reminded me of what I don't understand, which is always a good starting place to wisdom. I mean, if you seek to be wise, not just informed, which is simple, but to be wise to make sense of the facts that you've accumulated, which is is the goal of adulthood, then you really have to begin with a profound understanding of your own ignorance, lack of foresight, with your own with your own lack of wisdom. The root of wisdom is knowing how unwise you are. I guess this is another way of putting it. And this has just reminded me of that.
I this happened to me. I don't again, I don't really know what it means. I have a lot of suspicions, but I can't confirm them. It was spiritual. I'm I'm positive of that.
I know that. And but what does it mean? I don't know. So that is that's it's just very helpful to be reminded of all that you don't know. It's very, very helpful.
And human disasters always begin in the same place, which is in hubris, which is in the the false certainty that you know what's going to happen. You know the consequences of something. You know what the future will be. And you know that you're God basically is what you're saying. And this is just another reminder to me that I'm not.
So that's I'm really grateful for that. 2nd, I would say, it's an it's another, reminder of what the goal is, and the goal is to get right with eternity. The goal is not just to win an election, and elections do come and go. I think is the most significant in the history of the United States. That's obvious.
The crimes being committed against the country are more profound than and it needs to be the open border invasion is a larger crime that's been committed to get committed against than than imperial Japan or Nazi Germany committed against the United States. It's the worst thing that ever happened to the US. That's my opinion. But it's still nothing compared to, I don't know, the end of history or eternity. And so it's just important to keep your eyes on the bigger on the bigger prize, On the only prize, that matters.
The only question that matters is what happens when you die. And it's crazy to me that I haven't spent every day for the last 55 years meditating on that. That I grew up in a culture that actively suppressed questions like that. That didn't wanna talk about death. That considered any conversation about what happens when you die offensive or out of bounds.
I I can't believe I grew up in a place like that because it's so dumb. It's it's just ridiculous actually. The only thing that unites every person on earth is death. That's it. That's the only thing we all have in common.
Every one of us, we will die. And so the fact that we're not daily discussing what happens then, it's just like insane. Trust me. That's like a secular rational position on it. You don't have to be a Christian or or religious in any sense to acknowledge that that's true.
No one ever talks about that. And so I just want to approach that this election with that perspective. And and that that event, that attack on me has helped me to do that. So again, I'm really grateful for it. I wouldn't I wouldn't change it if I could.
Speaker 0: You said someone go back to the about the dropping of the atomic bomb in the beginning of secular society. You might my dad and and your the greatest generation fought on the battlefields of of that conflict and and were the one of the driving forces with, obviously, the Russian people and the Chinese people to deliver from that time from imperial Japan and fascist rule in in Europe. But the same time, Oppenheimer, and this is what's so chilling when you say that's secular, he used I think it was the Hindu god Vishnu. They called the they called the project the Trinity Project. Right?
And at the very test there in New Mexico, he quoted, what the the the god Vishnu about now, you know, I have I'm the I'm the destroyer of worlds. Right? Don't you find that chilling, or or is that tied to yours? Since that time, it's been all we've now dropped the spiritual, which even Oppenheimer realized in the greatest generation. We kind of went to what is a totally materialistic secular society that leads America to this place in 2024 and the the the instrument of its turnaround or or its rejuvenation is a guy like Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: Well, we didn't drop the spiritual. We just embraced, you know, another element of it. I mean, if you're quoting a pagan god as you're incinerating civilians with a nuclear weapon, I mean, I think it's pretty clear, that that was the pivot point in America's history. And it's it's just so interesting how resistant a lot of people who I consider friends, who I agree with on most things are to acknowledging that. You know, they call you a pro Hitler.
You're a holocaust denier if you question the nuclear weapons or or whatever. I I I don't care. Of course, I'm I'm none of those things. It goes without saying or it should. No.
I'm just noting the obvious, which is that American society changed profoundly in August of 1945, and it's reflected in the culture. It's reflected in the architecture, the art, the design, the literature. Nothing was the same after the end of the second World War. Again, it's not a pro Nazi statement. I couldn't be more anti Nazi, obviously.
I'm an American. I care about this country and what happened to it after 1945. It's a very clear demarcation line and seems obvious to me that nuclear weapons are demonic. There's no upside to them at all, and that anyone who claims otherwise is either ignorant or doing the bidding of the forces that created nuclear technology in the first place, which are not human forces, obviously. And let me just ask you this, which I've asked a 1000000 people at dinner parties, but never in public.
What was the moment we can point to that nuclear technology was invented? You know, we can we can point to Isaac Newton and say what happened fell on his head? Or we can, you know, we can point to Albert Hoffman in his lab messing around with the, you know, ergot bacteria. That's when LSD was made. I don't I've never met a person who can isolate the moment where nuclear technology became known to man.
And so where did it come from exactly? Oh german scientists in the thirties. Really? When? Name the date.
And I've never heard anybody do that. It's it's very clear to me that these are these are demonic. I mean, these are evil. Their only purpose is to destroy the innocent, to murder the innocent. They've only been used once and in the and, you know, I think there's an interesting ethical debate about their use.
Was Truman right or whatever? But if you take 3 steps back, you could say, well, wait a second. If you end up killing, incinerating tens of thousands of civilians there, that's just a bad thing. Let's let's just be honest. That's just a bad thing.
And anyone who does that is gonna pay consequences. It's just true. And by the way, the fact that second bomb was dropped on the Christian population of Japan, which was majority in Nagasaki, in fact, it was cited in on a church in Nagasaki. Was that an accident? Why Nagasaki exactly?
And by the way, why has every subsequent American war resulted in disproportionately the deaths of Christians? That would include Vietnam, by the way, where the Catholic population was decimated up to and including Iraq and Syria. Now in Russia. Why is it that our use of force consistently since the end of the second world war has been against Christians? That's been the effect.
You kill Christians. The bombing of the Balkans in the nineties under NATO. Why is that? And I just don't think it's an accident. Clearly, it's not an accident.
And, I'm very distressed by it, and I it's not anti American. My family's been here since the freaking founding of the country. I'm not gonna stand and take that. I'm not hardly anti American. I'm the most pro American person.
I know I love America, and I certainly have to say that it's not anti American. I'm distressed about what's being done to my country. I feel an ownership stake in this country. I was born here. I'm a citizen in my name and with my money.
Why wouldn't I? In a much more profound and emotional way that I than I do when I say look at the CCP's treatment of the Uighurs which is clearly bad. I'm not would never defend it, but I don't feel as emotional about it because not my country. It's not being done in my name with my money. And so everything went wrong then.
And there are bad things in America before 1945, but the dissent has been precipitous. And you can hardly say that this country won that war in what meaningful sense. Why don't you go to Kyoto or Tokyo and then come back to New York and LA and and tell me in what sense we won. These are very obvious observations. I just picked them up from traveling.
I didn't read them in a book. I've just noticed. And why is that controversial to say it? Why does the entire staff of the Daily Wire call me a Nazi for saying that? I don't really get it.
What is that? What are you defending and why? What are you defending and why? And let me let me just say with humility, you shouldn't be defending the killing of innocents. You really shouldn't.
And if you are, you ought to ask yourself why you are.
Speaker 0: Tucker, absolutely amazing. How do people get the show is, is is the best it's ever been. How do people get to your your show on Twitter, and how they get to the rest of your content, the, your new network?
Speaker 1: Just, via my name, my now widely discredited name, which is Tucker Carlson. You go to Tucker Carlson dotcom or take a soccer Carlson on x or whatever. It's it's there. It's easy to find.
Speaker 0: Brother, you think it was hard before? Wait till they wait till they hear this where their heads will be blowing up all day. So it's fantastic and, deeply profound, sir. Deeply profound. I wanna thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on today.
Speaker 0: Appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Congrats, man, on getting out.
Speaker 0: Thanks, Tucker. Thank you, sir. Wow.
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Worth listening to this @JoeRogan episode before end of voting tomorrow https://t.co/qNchBVR0f9
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In this discussion, the focus is on the impact of video games, the future of technology, and the political landscape. Video games are highlighted for their ability to improve concentration and mental acuity, with studies suggesting that gamers may perform better in high-stakes professions like surgery. The conversation shifts to the importance of freedom of speech and the dangers of censorship, particularly in the context of social media. The potential consequences of unchecked government power and the need for individual liberties are emphasized, along with the risks of overregulation. The speakers express concern about the future of democracy and the necessity for men to vote, urging that this election is crucial for preserving freedom and opportunity in America.
The conversation concludes with optimism about technological advancements and the hope for a better future.
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Speaker 0: Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan experience.
Speaker 0: Join by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. But if if if if if you wanna sort of see, like, a a vision of the future, it's, like, basically, the the, like, the top 20 and the or even the top 100 is, like, totally dominated by China.
Speaker 1: Hey. Really?
Speaker 0: Yeah. This is, like, China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan.
Speaker 1: So you in are you in the top 20 in the world? The top 20? Wow. In Diablo?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you wanna tell everybody your handle? No. No. Don't tell them. Don't tell them.
It's not worth it.
Speaker 0: Well, they they they actually listed me with my actual name in the in the list.
Speaker 1: Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting.
Speaker 0: But, yeah, there's only there's only 2 Americans in the top 20. The rest almost everyone is from Asia otherwise.
Speaker 1: We were talking about something that I think is a really good one because people always think that video games are frivolous. But what what you were saying, I think, that's really important is it it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that and it can, like, relieve stress. Yeah. It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard. Yeah.
You can only think about that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, if I, like, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then, I have to concentrate fully on the game, and it's it's it has a calming effect. Yeah. It sort of chills down. And, I mean, you mentioned, I think, and many people would like, if you play martial arts or you play pool Yes.
Like, something that that forces you it's it's like, I think any anything that forces you to concentrate fully, actually has a has a calming effect. I might have just sort of like, kind of a mental restoring effect mentally. Yeah. It's like it's good.
Speaker 1: Jujitsu is like that. Yeah. Archery is like that as well. Yeah. Like, when you're shooting a a bow, you have to it's there's so many moving things and you're trying you have to think only of it and it cleans the mind.
Speaker 0: It cleans the mind. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: I was watch I was reading a study about surgeons
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.
Speaker 0: Well, it's I mean, video games require manual dexterity. So, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Completely makes sense.
Speaker 0: I actually if if somebody was, like, ever good video games, I'd I'd say, like, the the surgical skills are gonna be very good because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games
Speaker 1: Look at this. 32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and scored 26% better overall than their non player colleagues.
Speaker 0: Oh, I believe that's
Speaker 1: true. Incredible.
Speaker 0: Well, then
Speaker 1: the That you should be required in medical school to play video games.
Speaker 0: I I if if somebody is, like, top a top rank video game player and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be, like, plus plus 1, plus 2 type of thing.
Speaker 1: Top rank for sure. But this isn't even top rank. This is just people who play.
Speaker 0: Well, your your manual dexterity has to be extremely high. So you're you're looking at things on screen. You've got you're reacting, and and there's some you got, like, 10 milliseconds to react.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And and and so if somebody's got, incredible reaction times and manual dexterity, they're obviously gonna be a good surgeon.
Speaker 1: Imagine if there was a course that you could take. That course would promote you would be 26% better.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everyone would have to take that course.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course? You didn't take this course. Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better? Sure.
You would have to take it. Everyone should have to play video games
Speaker 0: Yeah. If
Speaker 1: you wanna be a surgeon.
Speaker 0: Well, I think it would be certainly would be a very good test to see if if somebody can't play video games well. Like, that means I mean, because you gotta move both hands simultaneously. Right. You gotta react to something very fast than, on the screen. So and and if if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose game.
Right. So if somebody's like has a good rank in video games, I would say that their manual necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good. Well, it's so hard. Skills have to be excellent.
Speaker 1: If you think about, like, StarCraft or any any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being.
Speaker 0: Yeah. There has
Speaker 1: to be something exceptional about you.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Actually, for for I mentioned Quake, way way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.
Speaker 1: I know we talked about this. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I loved Quake.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. And and my final semester in college, I probably put more time to Quake than all my college classes.
Speaker 1: When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys, and they had a LAN set up at the studio where they all played Quake. I had never played video games. Yeah. And I would go in with the writers and just kinda hang out with them.
We'd get silly, and then we would we'd all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other. And I got addicted, like, hardcore. I got
Speaker 0: a t
Speaker 1: one line installed in my house. Yeah. I went hardcore.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. Checking how many milliseconds of latency you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers. I was going to Fry's hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together. And, you know, it was too much of a time suck, though.
Yeah. I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved. Like, I can't play golf.
Speaker 0: No. It's too golf is too slow for me. I mean, I know a lot of people find golf good. And I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's I guess if you're saying you're gonna walk outdoors with friends Yeah. And occasionally hit a ball, then and and you just and as an outdoor walk, then that's cool.
And this requires concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it it's it's it's, it's that's too slow for me.
Speaker 1: Nothing compares to video games in terms of, like, the amount of feedback
Speaker 0: you get. Like, the the the
Speaker 1: the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large high resolution screen. You have a fast computer. You have headphones on. And you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you, and rockets are flying by you.
Speaker 0: And Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's there's nothing like that. Yeah. But I think golf still is like Jamie will tell you, Jamie's an addict. He's a golf nut. It's super addictive, and it takes, like, 8 hours a day.
Speaker 0: It's yes. Once you get into golf, I think I guess any sport, it gets super addictive. So but but for me, the the the I think the intent the intensity of video games is, hard to beat.
Speaker 1: Yes. It's and the people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time. But we're showing, like, real world benefits of people playing video games. Yeah.
Speaker 0: If you wanna be a drone operator, it's
Speaker 1: the only game in town. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's really good at video games.
Speaker 0: Yeah. For sure. So, in fact, I I can actually tell, like, what my mental acuity is if I just play if I play a very hard video game? So if I'm trying to sort of get, like, a an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, or or, you know, a first person shooter, whatever the case may be. Like, if I can tell that I'm tired, or my brain's not working as well as it should.
It's like a it's like a mental calibration. You can tell immediately, like, what is what how good is your mental state? Right. Right. And, you know, so it's like like if you're trying to play really well, like I just if you play late at night and you're tired, you just play badly.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And you can say, okay. You you may you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't. Yeah. You play the video game and you're like, you suck. So okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're putting it under stress. Yeah. You're you're really stress testing it.
Speaker 0: You stress test it and Yeah. Because, like, sometimes, like, oh, I think I think I'm fine. But then you play the game, like, okay. I'm not I'm, like, I'm, like, 10% below what I should be.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about workouts for sure. Like, that's how I knew I had COVID or I knew everyone in my family had COVID. And
Speaker 0: I was
Speaker 1: trying to not get COVID. And so I was working out. I was like, something's up. Like, I felt fine normally. But then during exercise, I was like, okay.
I can tell there's something wrong here. So let's just, like, back off and relax.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like people who don't stress test their mind, they think they're operating on the same level all the time. Like, sometimes I come in here, and I can't form a fucking sentence.
Speaker 0: And I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is going on? Yeah. So it's just
Speaker 0: like Sleep's not maybe, like, what sleep wasn't that good or something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Something like that. Or I'm too busy, and it's just it's not. The words aren't coming out.
Like, I know how to talk. I talk professionally, and I can't fucking talk. It's like
Speaker 0: I mean, sleep is is is massive. I mean Huge. Yeah. So, if I can tell immediately, did I get a good night sleep or not? If if I just play, like, video game for, like, 5 minutes.
Yeah. I'm like, okay. My sleep wasn't that good, because it's my my, you know, and then sometimes they don't your brain will recover through the day and it's like, okay, like an hour or 2 after waking up, it's better. Yeah. Because your brain does kinda recover from bad night's sleep a little bit during the day.
Do you
Speaker 1: know what really helps? Creatine, apparently. Does it? Yeah. Creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not.
There's a lot of, like, benefits of creatine that are really weird.
Speaker 0: Are there any downsides?
Speaker 1: No. No. It's a natural part of food. Yeah. Yeah.
Especially women. For for women, apparently, especially postmenopausal women, it's very beneficial.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: And, there's but there's a lot of, like, cognitive benefits. And one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep deprived.
Speaker 0: Oh.
Speaker 1: Mental performance when sleep deprive increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.
Speaker 0: Is creatine naturally occurring in, like, steak? Or
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, like, naturally occurring in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's primarily an animal based thing. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. But, like, I I did switch to, like, steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's like a power up. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
Speaker 1: And you do like, carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and
Speaker 0: the crash.
Speaker 1: Totally. The rise and the crash. You stay flat if you eat, like, a a primarily high protein, high fat diet. Yeah. Your body runs off ketosis,
Speaker 0: essentially. I mean, I I so I just have, like, steak and eggs, no no bread or or anything. Yeah. That's great. It's great, actually.
It's a power up, I'd say.
Speaker 1: People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's that's rubbish. It's not true. Bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's hot bullshit.
Speaker 0: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon.
Speaker 0: The the the animals are not gonna make any difference to global warming. They can none.
Speaker 1: No. It's Russia.
Speaker 0: So for 0, is there nothing? Do you
Speaker 1: think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in, like, plant based meat products and things along those lines, green energy?
Speaker 0: I think it's part of it. You know, the it you're generally gonna get people pushing to avoid meat. Like, some people just, you know, maybe they've got a financial interest. Maybe they're just, like, vegetarians or vegans or whatever. Ideological reasons.
Ideological reasons. But, it's not gonna make any difference, to global warming or, you know, the CO two concentration atmosphere really, if if people eat pure, steaks. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Irrelevant.
I wanna just be super clear about that. Yeah. Will not matter you will not even be able to measure it. Okay? That's how irrelevant it is.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that that's Unmeasurable.
Speaker 0: Irrelevant. A
Speaker 1: heretic speaking. Like, that's crazy talk now. Nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat. That meat is bad.
Speaker 0: Totally, as much meat as you want. It's not gonna make a difference. Sing it. Sing it.
Speaker 1: Tell the world.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely. And if somebody says it does make a difference, I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you can't even measure it, then it's bullshit. Yeah.
Yeah. Literally, I won't be able to measure it.
Speaker 1: Well, there is so much bullshit out there. First of all Yeah.
Speaker 0: It's bullshit in all directions.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for buying Twitter.
Speaker 0: You're welcome. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. You're welcome. I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you made a fork in the road.
We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of
Speaker 0: narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they
Speaker 1: were able to do back when they had newspapers and, you know, Yeah. And when you had a combined government effort, like, what Yep. The what they were doing with the laptop story.
Speaker 0: Yep.
Speaker 1: We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation. Yeah. Take it off offline.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And
Speaker 1: Twitter complied. Yeah. If we if you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea.
Speaker 0: Exactly. No. It's I mean, the the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned, since I I was, like, the most interacted with, user on Twitter before the acquisition. So before the acquisitions, I had more interactions than then like, there's some accounts like Obama or whatever had higher follower accounts, but, I had the most number of interactions of of any account in the system. So, I was very attuned to, like, if if they saw change if they change the system, I can tell immediately.
Like and I'm like I'm like, something weird is going on here. You know? Like Yeah. So there's, like I I just got increasingly uneasy. And obviously, when when they deplatformed a setting president, you know, not they de de deplatformed Trump, that was that was just insane.
You know, and and and the things he was posting, like, he was posting things that that, like, he he was posting good things. He was saying, like, hey, do we don't do not riot. Don't don't do any destruction of property. You know, please stay calm. That that's the kind of stuff he's posting.
Yeah. And you're like, what's wrong with that? That's and and then then then some people said, like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle. He means the opposite. I'm like, okay.
So we'll give you Trump's account. Now you you post what you think you should post because you can post nothing. You can ask people to calm down. Like, what? It was insane.
Like, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. That's crazy.
Speaker 0: And crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Crazy. Don't you think they will listen to him? Yeah. Isn't that the whole point?
They listened to him and created violence in the first place? That's what you think. That's what
Speaker 0: you're Exactly.
Speaker 1: You're accusing him of.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: We know that for a fact.
Speaker 0: This is
Speaker 1: not that that was always the big Alex Jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests. We I believe we're in Seattle in the nineties, and they sent in agent provocateur, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden, a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful. Right. They move in the cops.
They shut everything down. They had it set up where it was a no protest zone, where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work. So you couldn't protest. You couldn't exercise your first amendment rights.
You couldn't even, like, have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car. You couldn't have that. It's crazy.
Speaker 0: It's crazy. So no. I think we're we we're very much at a fork in the road in, destiny. And, you know, so so I I mean, the reason I, yeah, did the quarter acquisition was like it's like, man, if if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue.
Speaker 1: Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was gonna do it because it wasn't a financial winner. It was kind of a crazy move.
Speaker 0: It's a crazy move. I mean, the thing was way overpriced, and, you know, like, long long term, I think, we can we know ultimately make it a win for investors. But, boy, this is this is a this is a hard way to make a living.
Speaker 1: Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it. There's a concerted effort to with the advertisers.
Speaker 0: Well, we we we had a I still have a, a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left wing NGOs. Like, you know, and and you you always want and I should have brought I should have brought my, I I have a hat make all well fiction again.
Speaker 1: I've seen that hat.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I should have brought I was gonna wear my I should have brought my make all well fiction hat again. But but, yeah. I mean, it's just totally totally nuts. So If you didn't do
Speaker 1: it, no one would have. And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad business man. Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it. No.
It wasn't worth that in the first place.
Speaker 0: It wasn't worth them in the first place.
Speaker 1: It wasn't worth $44,000,000,000, you fucking morons. Yes. Like, wrong. And, also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: That's total bullshit.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. So there are these organizations wait. Now you can tell there's, like, they're like like when they have an Orwellian name. So, like, like, the Center For Countering Digital Hate
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Is is a total scam organization, you know, because they're like the ministry of truth type of thing in in Orwell. You know, they're they're they're like they're they're a censorship organization. Yeah. And they organize and and they pushed, the advertisers to boycott. So we still have like, some of the boycott is is is starting to lift.
And, I think if Trump wins, we'll we'll see, you know, probably a lot most most of the boycott lift. But if if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger. And and they'll they'll freaking shut down. There's no way that that, the sort of Kamala Kamala public regime would allow X to exist.
Speaker 1: You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though? Is there a pathway to that?
Speaker 0: Yes. What would they do? Well, I mean, they can just they can sic the DOJ on, you know, and say, like you know, they've had this whole thing about, like, hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're they're the ones pushing the misinformation. But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like, the DOJ has, you know, been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the US.
So we're we're we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is an exam just an example of what DOJ can do.
Speaker 1: So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen? For for
Speaker 0: SpaceX, is considered an an advanced weapons technology. So it's it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States. So, like, if North North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: That would be bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That'd be really bad.
Speaker 0: That'd be really bad. So so we're we're since we are in, like, the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident Because the presumption, is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're gonna return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them. So that's and so so it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a either has not a pro they can they can be have a green card or be a citizen. They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States. Then there's another law that says if you if you discriminate against asylum seekers, that's also you're also breaking the law.
So they they just the so they the DOJ was not the DOJ DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year. They launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX, saying that SpaceX, discriminated against asylum seekers. And we're like, but we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. So we're in this this is what I mean. It's like, Orwell the Orwell situation is getting insane.
Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. So you're damned.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine history looking back Looked
Speaker 0: up, man.
Speaker 1: At when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize, like, this is, like, one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace. Like, it is one of the wildest accomplishments. Yeah. When you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly, like, holy shit. Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company.
Yeah. How insane it is.
Speaker 0: Big lawsuit with an army of lawyers. Like, this was not, like, some minor thing. But it doesn't even make any sense. Why do you say,
Speaker 1: like, how can it even get brought to court if it's illegal?
Speaker 0: That's exactly. So that that's what I mean. Like like like, basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason. It's like that famous quote, from Beria. You know, like, so like, Stalin's, like, chief torturer the head of stall Stalin's secret police and he's, like, chief chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria.
He his his one of his famous quotes was show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Right. They just they just they they, like, they decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target.
They just figured out the crime afterwards.
Speaker 1: Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.
Speaker 0: They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Openly. Openly.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, the the the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again, they and and it's like look. I understand, like, politicians are gonna, you know, exaggerate. They're gonna misspeak. And they'll tell occasional, you know, untruths, whatever.
That's that's how it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second. Like, come on, man. This is too this is too far.
Speaker 1: And you're supposed to be the good guys.
Speaker 0: You're supposed to and you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the progressives.
Speaker 0: Yes. The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys. We're the honest people. No. No.
Hang on. You can't claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately post pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly. Yeah. We're not just Even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says us bogus.
Yeah. Like the fine people hoax.
Speaker 1: Obama just said that on stage.
Speaker 0: Just said that. I was like, what the flying fuck?
Speaker 1: He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. They're just they're just
Speaker 0: That's a goddamn fucking lie.
Speaker 1: Flat out lie. Flat out fucking lie. About the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women and, from illegal immigrants?
Speaker 0: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You remember that? The he Yeah. What he was saying is whether the women like
Speaker 0: it or not, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose, whether women like it or not. Like, that's not what he was saying.
Speaker 0: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border.
Speaker 0: Yes. Exactly. They'll they'll take, like like, not even a full sentence, like, a half a sentence from us. And then and then I'll push it on on every ad, every, you know, every speaking event,
Speaker 1: every meeting. Repeated on the news. Yes. This is what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these new shows.
Quote new shows.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I mean, a recent one that that came up, which had a lot of people because I a lot a lot of people reached out to me was like they're they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter bullshit. What is
Speaker 1: It's not what he said
Speaker 0: at all. He he all he said was like it was like what he's saying is that, look, if if Liz Cheney, actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war. Exactly. That, like, it's easy to go it's easy to go to war, it's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to, you know, risk dying at the front lines. Like, if other like, basically, it's fucked up if if people are having, like, fancy dinners in Washington DC, while people are being slaughtered in trenches.
You know? It's like you're not feeling the pain.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 0: You're not taking the risk. It's someone else dying. Exactly. That's like it's that's that's cruel and lacking in empathy. And and all Trump was saying was that it's like Liz Cheney would be much Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if, she actually had had to go to the front lines and fight herself.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, they're saying that he should he's saying she should be shot.
Speaker 0: Yes. Which is a total lie. And But I had, like, tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's gonna put Liz Cheney in a firing squad. Like, that is an outrageous lie. And Legacy Media ran with that lie big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's crazy. It's it's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff.
Speaker 0: I think
Speaker 1: I think it would be very difficult for you. I think YouTube throttled. They did something weird. They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did Yeah. Where you couldn't find it.
Speaker 0: It doesn't make sense. Like like Made no sense. I mean, it's like the big it was like the biggest interview on Earth. Yeah. And you can't find it?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Not only that, it wasn't trending. Bullshit. It wasn't trending.
Speaker 0: It wasn't trending.
Speaker 1: It wasn't trending.
Speaker 0: You're like like, there's just no excuse for that, man. No excuse. There's no excuse.
Speaker 1: It was getting a 1,000,000 views.
Speaker 0: 1 point what was it? 1.4 an hour at one point in time? 1.5. 1.5 an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it wasn't trending.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like And and it's like it's like it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not it's not like it it was started yesterday. It's like Yeah. It's like this is a high trust yours is a high trust channel.
It's like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins or something. You know? So
Speaker 1: Well, thank God we put it on x as well.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70,000,000 views.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: True. They would have they've they've banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that are colored outside the lines. They would have done that everywhere, and it it probably would have I think even at what's going on at Facebook, they're they're being more lenient. You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance.
That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kinda moved the watermark.
Speaker 0: Exactly. So as soon as as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful to to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious. Yes. Yes. And you know, the the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.
You know, if if somebody thinks, you know, it's oh, you know, Trump said that that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let let let me send you a link to x so you can watch his video. That's the best way. Yes. It's it's don't don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it.
Go to the source material.
Speaker 1: And community notes.
Speaker 0: Yes. And community notes is awesome.
Speaker 1: Is the best.
Speaker 0: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Yeah. Because everybody gets checked.
Speaker 0: Yes. Including me. Yeah. And with community notes, the all the software is open source, and all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah. That's how it's a bit that's how it should be.
Speaker 0: Total, absolute transparency in every way. You know, sometimes I get I get asked, like, oh, Yolande, can you remove a note? You know, mostly by the left, but not by the right. I'm like I'm like, I don't even remove remove notes on my own account. Nothing.
And and and by the way, everything is totally open. So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately. Like, it's not gonna be subtle.
Speaker 1: That is the best counter to misinformation.
Speaker 0: Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Like, let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual fact says.
Speaker 0: Yes. Exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information.
Speaker 1: Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.
Speaker 0: Yes. And and just and like I said, like, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material. You know, so it's like, look at what someone actually said. Look at what someone actually did.
Look at the real videos of the situation, and and then you can actually you'll know what's real.
Speaker 1: So as of today, when you were illiterate on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail Yeah. Pennsylvania. Tell me what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 0: Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. So we're we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, you know, I've been I've I've given a whole bunch of talks in, throughout this the the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So, so I've been giving to and I spent 3 years in Pennsylvania.
I went to college in in Philadelphia. So, so it's not like I'm not a total I'm not, like, a total stranger to the state. You know, I spent 3 years there. And, and and and we, you know, we we we organized this petition in support of the constitution, which I think is a good thing, and and specifically, asking people to, and and and we wanted this to be, like, registered voters in swing states. Like, basically, we wanna send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the constitution because there have been all these attacks on the constitution.
They've been especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that that the that the first amendment is an obstacle. Because and and they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is is is enabling disin disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment. Like, freedom of speech, the reason they they found us the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the first amendment exists.
And the second amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The second amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech. You know, you know, and I I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they they're they're like, won't take your guns away. And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the government that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States? Can you can you make that guarantee?
But, like, well, nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's the that's what's gonna stop it.
Speaker 1: That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that, but that's the reality of the world that we live in is that tyranny is possible, and it exists other places, and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're you're seeing, I I think the the number of people that have been arrested for just social media, posts is bananas. It's in the thousands.
Speaker 0: Yes. Several 1,000 people have been have been given prison sentences sentences in the UK for social media posts that where there was no explicit link to actual violence. But they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post? Well, no.
But they they just and and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK, so that they'll quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening in Britain. That is so wild. Like, it's you're like, what what what the fuck, you know, is going on?
Speaker 1: And what's insane to me
Speaker 0: Make oil fiction again. Yeah. You know?
Speaker 1: But it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry. John Kerry John Kerry
Speaker 0: was one of the people who said that he's on camera, like, a few weeks ago saying that the First Amendment is a prob is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. You have a solution and something that that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or 2.
Speaker 0: And and even without a community note, you can reply to a post and with with evidence that that that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. Yes. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.
Speaker 1: But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it. People are gonna die.
People are gonna we're gonna ruin the world because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument.
Speaker 0: It's a stupid argument.
Speaker 1: Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. Yes. If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that?
Speaker 0: Exactly. And and obviously anyone on on the X system, knows that things were posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Right. You know, when when if, you know, some broadcast media pop they they they they sit stay say false things all the time, but it's a one way street.
There's no rebuttal. There's no counter.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never gonna get COVID? It won't the virus stops with you?
Speaker 0: No. Never.
Speaker 1: Never. No one ever it's just it was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda, and she said it. The Russiagate hoax.
The for 3 fucking years, they said that he was Putin's toy
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And that Putin had him compromised, the Steele dossier.
Speaker 0: Steele dossier was completely fabricated by, a lawyer at Perkins Koy, who was paid by the Clinton campaign, literally. Crazy. And still people think the Russian hoax is real.
Speaker 1: And there's no repercussions. There's no one had to apologize. Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that, and people still listen to her.
Speaker 0: The whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 1: And it's all coming from the left, which growing up as a a person who's in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 0: Same. I mean, I I I I even I I was on the left until, like, 3 years ago. Like, I I mean, you know, know It's
Speaker 1: not the left anymore.
Speaker 0: It's not the left anymore. It's just, like, I think we obviously want I mean, I I believe, like, we want freedom. Like like, we want we want to maximize personal liberty. And we want we wanna be kind to people, you know, we wanna have empathy, and, but but it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit based society. And the left is is wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech, and they wanna they wanna have a non merit based society, you know, with race based and sex based preferences.
And it's like, well, wait a second. No. We we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.
Speaker 1: And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they wanna do things that people don't want them to do. Yeah. And they wanna silence opposition. That's all it is.
And the fact that people can't see that and they wanna call Trump a fascist,
Speaker 0: well, the whole thing is I'll say it's just it's just
Speaker 1: through the looking glass.
Speaker 0: It's just I mean, it's like one hoax after another what that that they're portraying against Trump. I mean, like, they try to call the the rally at Madison Square Gardens like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo. There was, like, literally an Israeli flag in the audience. I think, like, a quarter of the speakers were Jewish.
Like, there was, like, there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that at that rally. Like, tell me what about that is Nazi? No. And and yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally.
Speaker 1: Well, MSNBC, they they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from 19 thirties and then compared it to the Trump rally. Now ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there.
Speaker 0: There there have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Gardens. Dozens, on the on the Democrat side. Like, people people on x were like, and here's exactly here's Jimmy Carter and here's
Speaker 1: And a Nazi rally.
Speaker 0: And here's wait a second. Actually, it looks like, every presidential candidate has done a, on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Garden. So all they nazis too.
Speaker 1: But what they're doing is they're preying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything.
Speaker 0: And Exactly. Yeah. Like, people are living if if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on x, and and seeing the the actual flow of argument Yes. And the actual evidence.
Speaker 1: Well, what was the pushback? Like, what happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and and on discourse. Because when when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual Yeah.
Speaker 0: All the time.
Speaker 1: They did the same thing to Facebook. They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They they suppressed the views by 50%
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Of factual information.
Speaker 0: Yeah. No. There there was massive government interference in Twitter. But but, like, Twitter welcomed it. It that's important to all Twitter welcomed it.
I mean, all Twitter was controlled by by far left activists. Yeah. So, and and, they they welcomed the government interference. The government they got paid by the government for it.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. They got paid for their time. Correct?
Speaker 0: Yeah. They got paid 1,000,000 of dollars for for suppressing information.
Speaker 1: So it's like bill and time much
Speaker 0: of it was, like, federal legal. Like, the f FBI had this, like, this this this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system, and and the but all of the communication in that in sort of in this portal was auto deleted after 2 weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we don't even know what was said because it was auto deleted after 2 weeks.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that that was okay.
Speaker 0: It's not it's super not okay.
Speaker 1: No. It's super not okay. It's unconstitutional, and no one would want that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly.
And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? Like, you had to anticipate that there was gonna be problems when you when you released that. Like, what was what happened?
Speaker 0: Well, we got a lot of we we did lose a lot of advertising dollars, and,
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because it's essentially, like, one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption.
Speaker 0: Yes. I mean, this is the weird weird thing. It's like the left used to be, big big on exposing government corruption, but now but once they control the government, they no longer wanna expose the government corruption.
Speaker 1: Right. They wanna pretend that the left wing government's incapable
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Of corruption. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Because we're
Speaker 1: on the good side.
Speaker 0: I I think it may be just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the, you know, the other side heard. Because as you pointed out, like, the left, historically, it about until, I don't know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like that, was the free speech party. And now it's the anti free speech party. And they just they they use they use words like like, oh, well, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation. But these are propaganda words.
You know? It's like, well, who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation? The government. Do you really trust the government to make that definition?
You wish the whole point of the of the first amendment is, like, you do not trust the government.
Speaker 1: Well, especially when they're wrong. And there's no repercussions.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. Like with the whole lab leak theory, if
Speaker 1: you get you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released. Yep. Hey. Maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started. What do you think, guys?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did it kick you right off of YouTube?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yes. Exactly. It's like, do you think maybe the it could have come from a place called the novel Coronavirus Research Institute?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that John Stewart bit that you don't call there? That was amazing.
Speaker 0: What does it say on the door again? Can I see your business card? And to cynical bear, like, resisting you with every fiber of his Yeah. They're like, what's gonna happen to us? You know?
Speaker 1: He was totally cock blocking the bit to the point where John Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to That
Speaker 0: was wild man.
Speaker 1: Control. Yeah. And Good on John.
Speaker 0: And then the left tried to cancel John Stuart. Of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Meanwhile, he was right. He's right. And no apologies. No apologies.
Yeah. And, you know, the whole Fauci thing. Like, any criticism of Fauci. It's like anti science.
Speaker 0: Freaking demon if you ask me.
Speaker 1: If you read RFK's book Yeah. The real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could find the sources. And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: So the guy's a monster.
Speaker 0: I think so. Yeah. I think so too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain of function research to Rand Paul.
Speaker 0: But he I think a lot maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the the the the the bioweapons research that was going on in in Wuhan. And he he bank shot it off. Like, he can't send the money directly to China. He just bank shot it off EcoHealth. Right.
This is, like, fake nonprofit in the US, and they sent it to Wuhan.
Speaker 1: And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014.
Speaker 0: I mean, so, you know, to to give Obama throw Obama give Obama some credit, he actually was, like, looking at this to say, hey, this is crazy. And, and we we need we and he so he he actually did, stop the the this, like like, the the so called gain a function again, a propaganda word, because what is the function they're talking about? Death. Right. Right.
So if you if you if you actually use the right word, this is Gander function is death maximization. Right. Then you're like, oh oh, hey, guys. Should we fund, bioethrin research into death maximization because that's what gain of function means. Yeah.
It means That's the function.
Speaker 1: Make gain a disease so that people can get it. Give it to people. Yes. And, oh, by the way
Speaker 0: What's that function again? Oh, the function is death? Oh, okay. So just
Speaker 1: call it
Speaker 0: a death maximizing virus. If you're doing research
Speaker 1: on that and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure?
Speaker 0: Start with a start with a cure. Cure first, disease second.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. Like, you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out. And so you have to, like, make up this this new vaccine in, like, record time, operation warp speed, release it to the people with very little testing. Fucking crazy.
Speaker 0: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: The whole thing's crazy. Nobody just went along with it.
Speaker 0: Lunitude is next level.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the psyop was fascinating to watch people step in line.
Speaker 0: Like one of the biggest ops of all time.
Speaker 1: Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. And everybody got in line. And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 19 nineties, that changed everything.
We're one of 2 countries in the whole world that allows this. Yeah. And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam.
Speaker 0: Mhmm.
Speaker 1: And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things that are not supported by data, like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children, all of its bullshit.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And they pushed it on the whole world. And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah. Yes. And you were an anti vaxxer.
Speaker 0: Totally psycho.
Speaker 1: It was like being a holocaust in our you get kicked out of polite society. Exactly. Fucking bananas.
Speaker 0: And I should say, like, I'm I'm actually generally pro vaccine overall. You know, I think we should look at these things. That that but that but I I believe in the scientific method. Yeah. So so you you you never blanket accept anything.
You never blanket accept that any any given medication or any given treatment is is is 100% good. You should always be with some skepticism.
Speaker 1: Especially when you're getting the data pharmaceutical drug companies that have, like, a long history of
Speaker 0: credit They've got a vested interest. Conduct. Yes. Because they've they've got a vested interest in in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about, you know, whether smoking
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Is dangerous. You know? Exactly the same thing. According to our scientists, everything's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They lied in court forever. The same thing they do with OxyContin
Speaker 0: when
Speaker 1: they said that it wasn't addictive. Like, they have a long history of being full of shit if it makes them money, and that's what they do. That's their business.
Speaker 0: They've literally lost $1,000,000,000 lawsuits in this Massive.
Speaker 1: They're in the you have amazing scientists. Right? You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these incredible drugs, and they this is their job. Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop thing, and then you have the money people.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, Then they have this other faction that they're all just numbers people. Yep. And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And making sure they literally have, an obligation to their shareholders. Yeah. They have to make the most amount of money possible. And so they just wanna push it on everybody. Regard like, the Vioxx scandal.
There's internal emails showing they knew there was gonna be cardiovascular events. People were gonna get strokes.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they're like, I think we're still going to do well. And they did. They made, like, $12,000,000,000 They got fined 7, and 50 to 60 1,000 people died.
Speaker 0: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of them was a friend of mine. Got a stroke.
Speaker 0: And died?
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. He didn't die. He lived, but he he was a really healthy guy.
Speaker 0: But he was, like, not the same actor as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He had knee problems. And he took Vioxx, and all of a sudden, he was slurring his words, and he couldn't concentrate. And people are like,
Speaker 0: I think you're having a fucking stroke.
Speaker 1: And they took him to the hospital. And then then you have this giant class action lawsuit, and then Vioxx gets pulled from the mark, and they get sued. And the whole thing's fucking crazy. But there's a long history of this. I think what did what is the number?
Like, 1 third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled? It's fucking bananas.
Speaker 0: That is crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You're shitty at 1 third of the things that you say are okay, but yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans?
Speaker 0: Yeah. They should let MDMA through, honestly. That I think they'll actually help a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It would help a lot of people. It would
Speaker 0: help a lot of people.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ibogaine. Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fact that you have to go to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to have gone over there, and it's, like, completely given them a a clean slate and refreshed their mind and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions. Yeah. Illegal. Yeah.
Illegal. OxyContin, go get it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And I know some people who like, their their life was ruined by OxyContin.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: Because, I mean, it it it really depends on on, you know, somebody's individual biochemistry. Like, to me, like like, opioids are not addictive to me. Like, I you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and they they they don't they barely affect the my pain level, and they make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable. They make me stupid. Yeah.
They exactly. But but I'm like so so, like, like, I could never get addicted to alcohol or or opioids. It's just impossible. Like, it's because my biochemistry just does not have like, no. But I love tasty food.
I feel like, you know Yeah. You know, if if if there's I'm addicted to tasty food. Sure. But, like, there's there's a can be like, I have a whole wall of wall of alcohol. It's there for decoration.
Yeah. I have a dudgeon, basically.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I I could easily quit alcohol. Yeah. I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink. It doesn't bother me at all.
But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races. And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions.
I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it. I see it. I've seen it in people. But I'm I'm I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life. I I've I see that's why I've never tried cocaine.
I just saw too many people that it looks too fun. I kinda wanna get involved.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean I mean, I think, generally, for any given, drug, legal or illegal, you could the question is, can you complete the following sentence? Blank made me a better person. Meth. Like, I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person
Speaker 1: No. Ever. Made a lot of soldiers better, I think. That's
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, if you're doing Yeah. If if you're if you're like if your soldiers need to march for 3 days in a row. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just it's really Because they're
Speaker 0: as effective at that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I keep people give, like, France a hard time about, you know, capitulating in World War 2. But but you know what's what's worse than the Nazis?
Nazis on meth. Meth. Nazis. They're they're not stopping. Normally, they're they're like, 6 bullets.
They're like, they're they're still coming.
Speaker 1: That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines Yeah. And the different drugs that they gave their soldiers. The guys at the front of the line that gave the most meth. Yes. They have different dosages.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I mean, you you just basically think you're unvulnerable on meth. And, so so it's one thing we like to say. So one thing we, you know, have have, like, the Nazis come after you. But Nazis are on meth, you're like, holy shit.
Those fuckers are not stopping me.
Speaker 1: For 3
Speaker 0: days. They're not stopping.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a statement, meth made me a better person, that you hear very often.
Speaker 0: I've never heard that before.
Speaker 1: No. You hear a lot of, like, psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people that talk
Speaker 0: about psychedelics. Exactly. I've I've actually heard many people say that, LSD or or, you know, mushrooms or, MDMA made them a better person. Yeah. Many people.
Yeah. So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey. Look. If you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that, blank made you a better person, actually Yeah. Then then you got a good drug.
And if you you can't, you got a bad drug.
Speaker 1: Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, This the the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: You're you're you're it's basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true Yeah. And you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you. And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all the stuff that give you real data.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And the opposite of that or the counter that is like if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: That's the whole reason why they have all that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America. The demand is never going away. So instead of, like, limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs because Fentanyl and all this other shit is because they're not pure. So you're just killing people.
You're not saving anybody
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: By protecting them from themselves.
Speaker 0: True.
Speaker 1: But it's a tricky situation because what do you do? Like, if you just, like, say, okay. Now everyone can sell all these people that have been selling boner pills, now you could sell meth. Like, holy shit.
Speaker 0: You get you get the you get the the the the the double combo where where it's the Vigra it's the Vigra and the meth.
Speaker 1: Right. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Oh my god.
Speaker 0: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, how many people are already doing that right now with Adderall? You were arguing. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth.
Yeah. Especially people that abuse, Adderall.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They're basically amphetamine up all day long. Yeah. Adderall is low grade amphetamine. Yeah.
So, the and and and, like, I have actually seen people, like, become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like, much worse. You know, it's it's like an anger amplifier. So there are, now now I'm not saying like, Adderall is something, like, where there's there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear cut issue. Right.
It does help some people a great deal. And, but but in in higher doses, man, that that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on on high doses of metrol. Just they're they're they're just angry, like, extremely angry all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're messed up.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's that's what happens if you take meth. That's crazy. You turn it like, meth turns you into a freaking rage demon.
Speaker 1: And so and so many prescriptions.
Speaker 0: And I'm
Speaker 1: like, Jesus. We we Googled it. Like, 1 year, there was, like, 39,000,000 prescriptions for Adderall in this country.
Speaker 0: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, once in a while, there's, like, an Adderall shortage. I'm like, there's, like, watch widespread panic. You know?
And then what do people do? And then
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as, like, when they tried to, like, limit the amount of OxyContin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, your guy sells you weed, it's like, hey, man. I can get you, like, like, low grade meth, like, the stuff the Nazis took.
Speaker 0: Well, that that high grade meth. Actually, that pharmaceutical grade. It was for that epic that epic myth. It was, like, made by the like, pharmaceutical grade meth is gonna be the if like, this this the I mean, is I mean, just look at the freaking online Wikipedia page, but there's, like, many different versions of math. Like, they're all the same, and and they have different effects.
So but but, like, a pharmaceutical grade pure math, you are gonna be, oh my god, super productive super productive for a certain period of time. And and you're not gonna sleep for a while. And, and and then you you will you will have some anger management issues. So, like, they they actually the the the Nazis, they did actually, go roll back how much meth they were using because they had they had quite a few incidents of of the of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 0: They they were yeah. So they were shooting that to me, officer got dragged by the by the, you know, the the the platoon that was on too much meth because that that happened quite a few times. Like, you just when when someone's had a lot of meth, they're they're they're they're they're very they can get very angry.
Speaker 1: Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was, cooking meth in a lab in his backyard?
Speaker 0: I mean, McAfee is quite a character.
Speaker 1: He was a character.
Speaker 0: Character, man.
Speaker 1: We had him on the podcast when he was on the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from where was he? Costa Rica? Is that where he was? Belize.
Belize.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right. So when he was running from the authorities
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He called in. We had him on the podcast, On the Run. And, I was asking him about these posts, like, because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like, super sophisticated, making the best meth. Like, a super genius Yeah. Cooking meth.
I I mean, I think you're, like,
Speaker 0: you have like, he had this lab like, he was making, like, a wide range of drugs. And there was like, I I talked to, actually, like a a reporter, who who went down and like, interviewed him in Belize. And and of course, the man is one of the scariest things. He's he, like, he he was pure. He was quite terrified.
So, like, one of the things that McAfee he had, I guess, this trick where he would he would play Russian roulette with himself. So so he'd put a bullet in in the revolver, and they'd spin that spin the chamber. And clearly, he had, like, some, like, trick to, you know, know that it was not there's some, you know, way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But but I do wonder, like, if if McAfee is high and he does that, he's not always gonna get the trick right. You know?
Are you
Speaker 1: sure he had a trick?
Speaker 0: Or maybe Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. So so he so according to this reporter, when when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a put a a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed at his head and went click. And the report is, like, saying, please don't do this.
Like, this is insane. Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground, and Nicks went click bang and shot shot a bullet in the ground. Jesus. That's a hell of a potty trick. Jesus.
This is a next level potty trick. That's the
Speaker 1: guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times. Yes. Remember that scene?
Speaker 0: Yes. Where they were forcing Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that was a heavy scene.
Speaker 0: That was a heavy scene.
Speaker 1: De Niro and Christopher Walken. That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene just, like, clawing at my pants.
Speaker 0: Like Yeah. Whoosh.
Speaker 1: McAfee was a wild boy.
Speaker 0: Wild.
Speaker 1: And, you know, created brilliant antivirus software.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. He may have made some of the viruses too. Did
Speaker 1: he still? Well, didn't he, like, give laptops to a bunch of government organizations With viruses on them. Yeah. So that he could, like, pay attention to what they were doing.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy.
Speaker 0: I don't know what happened to him, but I he would be a guy that would
Speaker 1: be like, this guy is a little bit too loose.
Speaker 0: And probably had sensitive information. I don't know.
Speaker 1: For sure he did.
Speaker 0: I mean, I I found him to be an interesting guy. I mean, like, I'm generally, like, feel like like if somebody is not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now now there is some suggestion that McAfee, like, killed his neighbor in Belize.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He probably did. Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag.
Speaker 0: I think he probably did.
Speaker 1: Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed his
Speaker 0: dog. Yes.
Speaker 1: Right? And then it seems like he killed the neighbor Yeah. Allegedly.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean It seems it seems likely.
Speaker 1: It's not a zero possibility.
Speaker 0: It's not definitely not 0.
Speaker 1: It's It's
Speaker 0: seems more likely than not. He's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette.
Speaker 1: Hey. Maybe you killed your fucking neighbor.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them
Speaker 0: too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Somebody killed your squirrel. Yeah.
Speaker 0: John John Wick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The fucking squirrel thing is bananas.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That squirrel thing in New York? I I so the other thing about the the the whole squirrel thing is is that, how how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the, you know, the government can barge into your home with guns, so if you resist, you're gonna get shot, and then take your your pets and execute them. And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you?
Speaker 1: I know that it's not an exaggeration. Absolutely. It it sounds like you're you're, oh, that's so crazy. How can you make that connection? But it's that's No.
It's just Why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? Yeah. If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute.
Speaker 0: Yes. Absolutely. There's it was just obviously, it was a blood pet pet squirrel, and a raccoon too, and doing no harm, and the the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets, and kills them. And, you know, I I think this should this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because, you know, everything you say that, like, the John Wick movie, where John Wick's, like, you know, he he he wants to he just wants peace, like, you know, in in the in the John Wick movie. He just wants to he's like, listen, I wanna retire.
And they offer him, like, tons of money, like, to because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin. They're like they they like they they like offering tons of money. They threaten him. He's like, listen, I'm not gonna be I'm I'm I'm out, you know. And they kill his dog.
That was a bad idea.
Speaker 1: That was a really They killed a cute little puppy, and the puppy was his, ex wife's gift to him when she died of cancer.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Great movie.
Speaker 0: Great movie. It's the
Speaker 1: best revenge movie
Speaker 0: of all time
Speaker 1: because it's so ridiculous. He kills everybody.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He kills everyone.
Speaker 1: And you're rooting for him.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They shouldn't have killed his dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They fucked up. And they should have killed that squirrel.
Speaker 0: They shouldn't have killed that fucking that squirrel, I mean, it's like how many how many cases have we not heard about? You know?
Speaker 1: Aw. Look at that little guy. That squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy. He would hop all over him and climb on him. I mean, it was that was his pet.
That squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his his companion. Yeah. There was nothing wrong with that. And in Texas, it's totally legal. You can have a fucking zebra out here.
You can have whatever you want. And that's the argument for freedom. And, you know, the flip side is
Speaker 0: you get
Speaker 1: a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is not great. It's like
Speaker 0: this was a fucking squirrel. It's not it's not an anaconda or a Right. Or or or, you know, you know, crocodile or or something that's wrong.
Speaker 1: Or a chimpanzee. Did you see chimp crazy?
Speaker 0: Oh, man. Chimps chimps chimps will eat your face. Okay. Will
Speaker 1: fuck you up. They will fuck you up. And they don't even the thing is they don't even kill you. They just cripple you. Chimps don't even kill people
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart. Yes. They wanna leave you. They could kill you easily, but chimp wanna just punch you in the head until you're dead.
It wouldn't take long, but they don't kill you. They just rip you apart. Yeah. And you can have a chimp. And so well, I used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states, and then chimp crazy kind of exposed a lot of that.
And PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets. Because once they hit, like, 5, you can't control them anymore.
Speaker 0: Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got, you know, a creature that is dangerous to others. But, like, obviously, a a squirrel and a raccoon are not.
Speaker 1: Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere. That's what's so crazy. Like, why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, they're they're they're allowing criminals to go free and and, like, violent criminals to go free, but they're, like, spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets. What the hell is going on? Exactly. And and it's like
Speaker 1: But it's overreach.
Speaker 0: It's it's it's it's government overreach, and and this just keeps getting worse every year. And that's why that's why we we we we've we've gotta we gotta fight back against this. And, you know, it's people say, like, well, it's just a squirrel. Well, it was it was, you know, in John Wick's case, it was just a dog. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know? Well, remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog. It's just a fucking dog.
Speaker 0: Just a fucking squirrel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's the the funniest thing is when So It's just I just don't understand how anybody could justify it. I don't understand how any like, I it it seems to me that in a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, why don't you see me with this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, look. He he hops on me. He eats. He sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I keep keep a squirrel.
I can have a guinea pig. I can't have a squirrel. I can have a chinchilla. My daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable.
Adorable little thing. Climbs all over. Can't have a squirrel.
Speaker 0: Even if they if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they have released it into the words or something?
Speaker 1: Well, it's a bit the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage. It won't be able to, like, find a home. What happens then? Brutal.
Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each other out of trees, which is one of the reasons why squirrels, like, can fall from, like, 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live. It's like it's a natural adaptation because squirrels, during mating, they bite each other. They there used to be, like, a rumor. There was a a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off and
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: That that seems to be a myth, but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So, like, one female is just running away. I have squirrels in my backyard. I watch it all the time. One female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her.
So they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees to try to, like so if this poor little peanut, the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like, gets out there in the the wild world Well,
Speaker 0: fair enough, but at least I have a chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. At least you have a chance.
Speaker 0: But you have a chance.
Speaker 1: How about just leave him with the guy?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Leave him with the guy for sure.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were, like, actually posting that they're glad that MAGA squirrel got killed, which is fucking MAGA squirrel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like the fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's a cute little fluffy squirrel.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a nice symbol because most lot most, like, reasonable compassionate people think that's terrible. And most people who have pets
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Think it's terrible. Terrible.
Speaker 0: So I don't know. I mean, I'm like, I hope people just go out there and vote for Peanut Man. If nothing else if nothing else, just vote why you vote for peanut, you know.
Speaker 1: They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster. You know? They've taken the worst things that he's ever said and amp and he's not a perfect person, but guess what? No one's a perfect person. They don't exist.
This purity test like, if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage about that that, you know, very fine people hoax. The the there's Exactly. No one's gonna be a perfect person, but the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him, like, he can't be president, like, remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent?
Speaker 0: You know, I There's
Speaker 1: one thing that I'm that I am that you'll never be, president of the United States. You see Trump in the audience going, okay, motherfucker. No.
Speaker 0: The funny thing is I was actually, at that White House Correspondence dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right. Trump's there. He's there. He's actually supporting, you know, it's it's basically if you are the the the the widest correspondents, you know, you're there, in support, actually, of the president and support of the press.
Right. And, it's meant to be that you're roasting the president. Like, Trump's just there. He's, like, actually, you know, just he's, like, there as part of the support. And then they they turned it around and just started roasting Trump.
And he's just sitting there and, like, he's, like, yo, I just came to the dinner. I I wasn't I I I'm just here to support. You
Speaker 1: know? What it was because of. Right? The birther stuff.
Speaker 0: Oh, okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what it all was. It was all Trump was at the head of a a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, then he's actually from Kenya. And what's weird is if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like, I think in his something from college that he was from Kenya.
But, you know, that could just be you know, people print things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya. But Trump was one of those guys that was, like, spreading that supposedly false rumor.
Speaker 0: Why is he pushing it hard? I mean, I Yeah. This is the kind of thing where I wanna just go and look at saying what what did he actually say.
Speaker 1: No. He definitely was.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: He was definitely saying, you know look. He I don't think he has the time to go into things, like, very deeply.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people come to him with some wild ass theory.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: He might be and I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss. And I think, there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and, you know, they tell you the Earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well but on that White House correspondent, I was there and the degree to which they attacked Trump in that in that, at that White House correspondent, it was really it was it was so over the top. It was like making everyone uncomfortable. Really? It was really over the top.
You know? I mean, I think, like, sort of a passing joke of, like, you know, a a few passing jokes are fine, but but they they twisted the knife big on Trump in in that. And and you could see Trump just getting, like, angrier and angrier and and more and more upset. I wonder if that's the case. Man, this is this is not good karma.
You know? That's that's what I was thinking at the time. I'm looking I'm looking at I was 2 2 tables away from Trump, and I'm looking. I'm like, man, this is this is too much. You know?
Speaker 1: Well, it's kinda crazy what what they've made out of that. Because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's gonna just keep trying. Like, what
Speaker 0: It was a big mistake to rag on him so so much with that White House correspondent.
Speaker 1: Well, just look at the way they've attacked him in with just using the legal system. Like, this thing in, New York where the 30 4 different felony counts
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are essentially misdemeanors. That there are bookkeep bookkeeping errors that they decided even though it passed the statute of limitations, they decided to try him for these. They didn't identify a felony.
Speaker 0: Abuse of the law is what's going on.
Speaker 1: But but most people would have quit. Yeah. Most people, after the E Jean Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones of their the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things. They getting kicked off at Twitter. Most people would have just like, this is too much.
I can't take this. But he's so fucking crazy. He's like, alright. Come on. We're going to war.
And he just digs his fucking heels in and keeps going. Yeah. It's it's the wrong guy to do that too.
Speaker 0: It it was the wrong guy to do that too.
Speaker 1: Attacking him at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Most people would have been humiliated. He got angry. And he's like, yeah? Alright.
You say I can't be president?
Speaker 0: I was think I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years. Right.
Speaker 1: Finally, I'm gonna run.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. That was a real bad move. But, yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand, like, making some jokes about, like, you know, a few sort of passing jokes on Trump. But, man, I was there at that dinner and and that they ragged on Trump so much.
It was insane.
Speaker 1: Do the reason why I would push back on that, because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers. Right? And Trump would obviously be a target. And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're gonna make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big. Yeah.
And most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory. So who the fuck is this guy saying this? And so you have 8 to 10 individual speakers that are writing monologues. Of course, they're all gonna hit Trump.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, anyway, obviously, it was a mistake. Yeah. They shouldn't have done that. And and, but I I invite people to watch that, the original source material.
And, I think a few jokes are fine. You know? It's like but but it's like he shouldn't be the like, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast. Yeah. Which is that's that's not the whole point of the thing is if the roast of the president, not the the audience.
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, like, he's easy to roast. Yeah. Yeah. And then on top of that, Obama was, like, loved and cherished by the left.
Speaker 0: Yes. And
Speaker 1: most of those people are on the left. There's only so far you can push. You know, you can't ask him about a chef. You know, there's, like, certain what happened with the chef, bro?
Speaker 0: I know.
Speaker 1: You can't it's, like, certain things you can't
Speaker 0: bring up. So do you wanna Is that
Speaker 1: guy was that guy a really good swimmer? Tell me what happened. Yeah.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: You you can't bring that up. Like, if you're gonna roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.
Speaker 0: Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's if you're doing one of those tests
Speaker 0: destroyed the servers and poured, like, bleach on the servers, like like computers. She poured bleach on them? That's what I saw. Yeah. That's what I believe.
Speaker 1: That's Wow.
Speaker 0: Like, it wasn't just, like, they took a hammer to it. They, like, destroyed the like, there was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing.
Speaker 1: What was in there?
Speaker 0: I mean, what That's what I I mean
Speaker 1: What was
Speaker 0: in there?
Speaker 1: What was in there?
Speaker 0: Why would they care so much?
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. Yeah. The whole thing And
Speaker 0: there was there was no there was no legal action against that, which was clear destruction of evidence.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that, he's going to destroy democracy. So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope. And then we're gonna this she's gonna be changed even though she's a sitting vice president. And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for, what, 12 or 16 years?
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy. Like, this is the change.
Speaker 0: True. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I I view this election as a turning point, like a fork in the road of destiny that is, incredibly important. You know, I've not I've not been politically active until this election. And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't if we don't elect Trump, I think we I think we will lose we will act we will lose democracy in this country.
We will we will lose the 2 party system, and let me explain why. So there's there's only, like, 6 6 or 7 swing states. The the the margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10 or 20000 votes. What the the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government, website.
Meaning, you don't take my word for it. You can just look look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats. And and what we're seeing is triple digit increases in the number of legals in every swing state. Some cases, 700% increases. These are these are gigantic numbers.
So if you if you have a state that was that went that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin, and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10 x the the you swamp the it's not a swing state anymore. It's going to vote blue. And then and then once the swing states vote blue, the the there there is no election anymore. It's there's only a Democrat primary.
Speaker 1: Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy people are fine with that.
Speaker 0: Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: They just wanna win. They just wanna win. Correct.
Speaker 0: The the, like, the thing is, like like, one does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives. If if the if the Democrat party wants to win, like, basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is is turn the swing states. Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory. And then we're 1 then we're a a one party state, and then they they will keep doing that, obviously.
They'll keep they will keep stacking the deck, by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening. If if and if you wanna see, like, well, is this actually gonna happen? Look at California. California is super majority dem.
70 percent dem. A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So you so so a friend of mine went to vote, in in, in Palo Alto because he was like, is this for real? He tried to show his ID, and that they reacted like a like like like if you show a cross to a vampire. Okay.
Speaker 1: They're like, no.
Speaker 0: We can't even look at that ID. It's it is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California.
Speaker 1: Why
Speaker 0: For any election at all, even like city council.
Speaker 1: What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law?
Speaker 0: The reason is to cheat.
Speaker 1: That's but the only it's only like, you can never make an argument any other way. And I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people.
Speaker 0: Yes. And and we are extremely rare. We're an outlier in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country on earth requires ID to vote. So so the the as soon as you make you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove.
Because how do you trace the fraud? Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's insane.
Speaker 0: It's insane.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 0: And What I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: How is it legal?
Speaker 0: Is that is that what I'm saying is, like, this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Everything they accuse Trump of, they are guilty of. And and if if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. And we will if if if the if the Kamala deep if the big government Carmelab puppet machine wins, they will legalize illegals in the swing states.
There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a a a guaranteed Democrat win, and it'll actually be worse than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California, like you and I did. We you and I used to be in California, but we moved to Texas. We're still in America.
But if if the Dems won this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states, and everywhere will be like California. There will be no escape.
Speaker 1: That is so insane.
Speaker 0: This is the final. This is it. This is the last chance.
Speaker 1: Has anybody tried to push back?
Speaker 0: Go out and vote. Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it because it does. This is the last chance, man.
Speaker 1: Is there is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?
Speaker 0: The the the left actually, interestingly, does does not wanna pick up much on this argument because it's because the more attention you the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true. Because you the you you just say, like, well, are the numbers correct? Have have are there really this many illegals that have been important to swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border.
They've been flown in. Flown in in airplanes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Using a shipping app.
Speaker 0: Yes. Yeah. They made an app.
Speaker 1: Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here, like, shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in America, so you could legally be here, they know where you are. And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Asylum seekers. Come on in.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have an app. The and so
Speaker 0: you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: fly people in.
Speaker 0: They're literally being flown in Yeah. To the swing states. And the the so the reason that that I think left doesn't wanna, push back on this is because the more attention they get that this gets, the more people will realize it is true. Yeah. It is true.
That's why they don't that's why they're they're they're just pretending that they're pretending I'm not saying anything. But I'm like I'm like, yo, the the you're they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats. And and so now I'll gather a bottle of people who will say, like, well, you know, the these, illegals are they they don't have the same social values as the Democrat party because they're, like, more socially conservative. I'm like, yeah. But that's that's not the point.
The the if you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that their their their primary thing is is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in, and then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like like tons of benefits. More benefits than if you than than citizens, Literally. Yeah. So so that so you're they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits. They wanna get their friends and family in which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't, so they vote them.
And you can look empirically at California and say, like, did did they did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat.
Speaker 1: Well, Reagan Reagan gave them amnesty in the 19 eighties and that changed the the state basically except for Arnold. Changed the state entirely blue.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: And Arnold was a exception because he was like a socially liberal famous guy.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were gonna vote Democrat in the first place. The the the whole thing is just it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's no. This can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Federman about it? Yeah.
He was completely in denial about it. I don't think there's that level of organization. I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 0: There's exactly. She's like, like, like, are because you can you can break it down to, like, are are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from homeland homelandsecuritygovernment.gov. Okay? Right.
So we got it from the dot gov web website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No. They have not. Those numbers, if anything, are are low.
So okay. So they have, in fact, flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Bypassing the border entirely. And, so that that is factually true. They can say, like, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Oh, okay. Overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states.
And oh, and and then well, do the Democrats actually want to fast track them for citizenship? Oh, yes. They do. There's you can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying at at a rally. So this year, we're saying he wants to fast track, and and make, all 11,000,000 or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible.
So the goal is to they they are fast tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can they can they they whether one thinks it's shitty or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.
Speaker 1: And for people on the left
Speaker 0: As this is actually happening, I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so. No. They can't. They can't.
They can't. Because it's true.
Speaker 1: Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for exam example. Yep. Like, they got screwed
Speaker 0: with, like, talk about an undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination Exactly. And they they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. That's what I was gonna bring up. Like, they they they control the primary process.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. So so so so, like, if you've got a then if you have a Democratic primary, it's not it's not Democratic. We just saw that. We we saw it with Bernie.
We saw it with Kamala. But, like, like, a week before Biden, you know, was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for long term. He's he's going Yeah. Yeah. He he's he's he's not giving up.
Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on x is is that that he's resigned from the race. Which is And and his staff didn't even know. Like, they're reading it on the X platform that that that, oh, okay. That's how they learned about it.
Speaker 1: What do you think happened there? How did they do that?
Speaker 0: They I mean, he's clearly just not not in charge, obviously.
Speaker 1: They could have used the 25th Amendment. Right?
Speaker 0: Fake president.
Speaker 1: But they would have had to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes. And so they made this decision to not do that. Well,
Speaker 0: the the the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: And yet he's obviously not the boss.
Speaker 1: Right. So who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy, she she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live. She did that. She's so busy.
She's constantly campaigning. How could you be paying attention to international relations?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time? You you can't.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, Biden being the president's supposed to be the c the CEO, the the chief guy, and he was commander in chief. But it just obviously that that Biden was not. He was just a puppet. And and when the when the when the various puppet masses decided that that puppet is had, you know, it was no longer, useful, they just tossed out the tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala.
I mean, Kamala can't even talk. I mean, now you invited her on on your show. I think the the the the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going to your show and seeing what how what she says in hours 23.
Speaker 1: 23 is when things get spiky. 23.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I'm like, oh my god. You can hide for 20 minutes. You can hide for 20 minutes.
Speaker 1: You can hide for 20 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you you
Speaker 0: could just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she she she's just saying, like, non sequiturs, but eventually, she just runs out of even the run she runs out of non sequiturs. Well, they
Speaker 1: wanted to limit it to an hour.
Speaker 0: Exactly. That's why.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking of doing it initially. Before Trump came here first of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I I never had announced that Trump was coming. What I was gonna do is just release it. In my the way I like to do things, I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get big no matter what.
If Trump was on, it would have been huge. I'm I'm like, just put it out there. People go crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he, apparently, or someone from his organization someone on some loose lips, and then it got out. And so she contacted my management company. And she they her organization, her her campaign camp contacted us and said, would Joe have her on? I said, yes. And they said, she wants you to fly to where she is, and she's only willing to do 45 minutes.
Speaker 0: Only 40 I mean, that's both that's
Speaker 1: And I was
Speaker 0: like, oh, no. No. So I
Speaker 1: thought about doing it. I'm like, maybe maybe I can get a sense. Maybe I could convince her. Maybe I could coax her into doing more time. I just wanted to talk to her.
Speaker 0: Yes. Well, I don't give a fuck what we talk about. We talk about recipes. Totally. Exactly.
Just talk to me. Just the things like you you just can't, like, you can't just output bullshit and ask quotas for 3 hours.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: So but for 45 minutes, you could do.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe for 45 minutes I could get something out of it. But then when Trump came and did the 3 hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this.
Speaker 0: This is the only way. To be fair, it's gotta be this, like, a 3 3 hours. And it
Speaker 1: should be in this room. Yes. Because this room is like a history of people This
Speaker 0: room has got vibes, actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's got good vibes. Yeah.
Speaker 0: It does.
Speaker 1: Well, I I
Speaker 0: this room, actually.
Speaker 1: I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's something real to that.
Speaker 0: That is It does feel that way, actually. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably feels really weird.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: Weird walking around that house, probably like, what the fuck happened here?
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've been through some memories in that house. You know?
Speaker 0: Sounds rough, man.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Seriously.
Speaker 1: It's like in publicly openly, like, all in.
Speaker 0: Yes. It's it's like J. Lo, like, was was like his ex girlfriend. And and it's like now now deciding she's, like, warning people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a second.
So how many people did she warn against Diddy?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Oh, 0. Okay. Right. Well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion.
Speaker 1: Did you see the Babylon Bee's take on it? Did you see the Babylon Bee's the
Speaker 0: was awesome, man.
Speaker 1: Put a oh my god. They're so on fire. Because the left can't say anything. Well, the the the onion has been crippled.
Speaker 0: Well, the the problem is that, like, the the Find that, that post. The woke the woke ideology makes, like, humor illegal. Yes. So when when, like, there's so many no, like, no humor no fly zones
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You you can't make fun of anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Babalon b had a thing about Kamala Harris. Diddy's ex girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment. Yeah. By the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is too.
But but
Speaker 0: I mean, like, if she's gonna be warning people, why did she want never warn anyone about Diddy?
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It the whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein type compromise deal where he had whether he was doing it himself. Conceivably, people wanna think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a $1,000,000,000 and knew how to control people by compromising them. Right?
That's what I think. Whether or not he was he had help, I don't know. Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know. But, clearly, he was doing it for his own jollies too. There was something sick about it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean and but the thing is that people in the music entertainment industry had to know that that Diddy was, like, abusing, you know, kids, basically. And yet they still fathom kids. And, like, there's where's the kind of There
Speaker 1: had to be rumors. There had to be.
Speaker 0: There had to be people. They had to know. Yeah. They had to know.
Speaker 1: Cat Williams is talking about it on Exactly. Yeah. On the the podcast.
Speaker 0: But but, like, who's it's like who's feeding in the kids?
Speaker 1: You know? Right. Yeah. And what what videos do do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him and they're willing to keep keep quiet about all this? Like, how much how much how many people were compromised?
Yeah. The whole thing is fucking crazy. Crazy. It's just crazy when you you know, because the the nutty conspiracy theory is just like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood. And you're like, come on.
That sounds too kooky. And then you read you see, like, the Nickelodeon thing and all these and you're like, what the fuck? How much of this is real?
Speaker 0: There's a lot more real than I think people realize. Yeah. I mean, the a part of it is like like you say, like, where, you know, if someone's, like, a a pedophile, they're gonna go for a target rich environment Right. Obviously.
Speaker 1: Like that Jimmy Savile guy from the UK. That guy
Speaker 0: was some next level that was next level. And the the BBC tried to hide that what that that guy was one of the worst, like like, basically, child rapists of all time.
Speaker 1: Of all time?
Speaker 0: Of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And looked like 1.
Speaker 0: He looked like 1.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 0: If you had a poster of, like Yeah. Does this guy look like a
Speaker 1: Like, the creepiest fucking evil guy.
Speaker 0: Evil child rapist that that 100%.
Speaker 1: He made it to the grave.
Speaker 0: Like Yes.
Speaker 1: Got away with it. Yeah. Got away with it till he died. They hid it from people until he died.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's that stuff's real, and no one wants to believe that stuff's real. Like, here's a here's a a statistic that people need to take in consideration when you think about illegal immigration. Do you know how many kids are missing?
Speaker 0: I mean, it's, like, missing and and what
Speaker 1: Kids that came across the border that are unaccountable. I mean,
Speaker 0: I saw a number on, like, 300,000 or something like that.
Speaker 1: Something crazy like that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane. Yeah. That's insane. There's 1,000 and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked per potentially.
I mean, when you know that, like, sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world. It's real. Yeah. So if you know that, this whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left wing ideology, supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in and that you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: And completely changing the dynamic of the and then But as long
Speaker 0: as they don't come to your town. Exactly. Like, that's a they they just they can just basically send you know, when they sent, like, whatever, like, 20 or 30 people to Moatas Espinhas, people had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: They kicked them out.
Speaker 0: Yeah. They kicked them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They kicked them out.
Speaker 0: Exactly. So I'm like, yeah. Sure. Anyone who who who wants to have vast numbers of, illegals, they have to be able to prepare to have them in their neighborhood
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Or or it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if the vacant Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we? Like, where are we? Where are we, and what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media post?
Like, where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything.
Speaker 0: Do you have to stick
Speaker 1: to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood, you'll be outcast from the community, you'll you'll lose you'll lose your freedom. It's crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, if the come up come up puppet regime wins, they're definitely gonna wanna cancel you. That's for sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Big problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What about you? You gotta go for you first.
Speaker 0: No. I'm I'm I'm, like, I I think I'm probably number 2 on the list Yeah. After Trump. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence, attacking it. So people go, wait a minute.
That guy's saying that? Yeah. Anyway, especially a guy like you who's always been on the left, who's like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team.
Speaker 0: Sure.
Speaker 1: You're environmentally conscious. You believe in green energy. You believe in renew this this amazing thing that has zero emissions, and it's super fast. And Yeah. Everybody was in.
They were all in.
Speaker 0: Well, it's it is a great car, objectively. Like Oh,
Speaker 1: yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You know, it's not buy it because it's electric. I mean, it's just a great car, objectively, I think.
Speaker 1: I'm on my third one. Yeah. Good. My third one is being built right now by Unplugged Performance. They're doing a carbon fiber fiber wide body kit on it.
Dude, it's sick. Great. Changing the suspension, putting wide rear wheels and tires on it. Right. Custom interior.
I'm fucking pumped.
Speaker 0: That's great.
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. I love
Speaker 0: those cars. Super fun car.
Speaker 1: Jamie has one too. Yeah. Great. I love them. I love them.
I I it's it's makes other cars feel stupid. Like, its ability and the fact that you can merge on the highway, you don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not like like, when you merge on the highway, it's just Yeah. Also, 100 miles an hour. Like, what?
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: cool. It's different than any other vehicle. And because of your company, now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of, American cars.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only person who's resisted, the only company is Toyota. They they've stayed essentially mostly hybrid. But all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. The I mean, the the the thing is that the the right architecture, environmental or not, for cars is actually electric. You you just it's just like the acceleration is better. You can just charge it at home.
I mean, like, imagine if you had a gas powered cell phone. It'd be a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You know?
Speaker 1: That'd be so go to the gas station. To the gas station to
Speaker 0: pull up your
Speaker 1: cell phone. That's a great speaking of cell phones.
Speaker 0: Gas stations are too hard Waffle. Like, who wants to go to a gas station?
Speaker 1: How much thought have you because there's always these rumors, and I've I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a a Tesla phone, that releasing a Tesla phone.
Speaker 0: No. We're not just doing it doing a phone.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about it?
Speaker 0: We could do a phone since, like, we, you know, we we like, the operating system on the Tesla, it's like it's Linux based, but we've we've written a massive amount of software on top of that. So, like, probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world. But it's not something we we wanna do, unless unless we we we we have to or something.
Speaker 1: What would be the situation where you would have to?
Speaker 0: Well, I think if if, you know, if if, Apple and Google slash Android, you know, started doing really bad things like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or, I don't know, just treating people I like just being like gatekeepers, you know, that that, in a really bad way then I guess would would make a phone.
Speaker 1: You know, the the I've tried so many times to break loose to the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer. I was like, that's it. I'm a get because I love the Samsung phones. The Galaxy phone.
Speaker 0: The hardware is it's very simple.
Speaker 1: There's so much good stuff to it. But it's so hard to get off of the, Imessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime because supposedly, the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then you would click on that link and and you would just go to a web page. You'd be able to use FaceTime.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work.
Speaker 0: Okay.
Speaker 1: I tried to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand and Android phone in the other. And I'm sitting there with full Wi Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.
Speaker 0: Communicate between It
Speaker 1: wasn't You can't
Speaker 0: do a video call, basically.
Speaker 1: You have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal.
Speaker 0: You have to do
Speaker 1: something else that allows you to do that, or Instagram allows you to do it. There's, like, different ways you can make video calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient. Like, with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. AirDrop, so simple. So many different things where the walled garden that Apple's created is perfect.
They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I fucking tried. I gave it a go for, like, a couple of months. I'm like, I'm just gonna go straight Android. We're gonna I'm gonna use signal for my messages. And then I hear that, like, signals might be compromised.
Like, I've talked to, like, people that, like, the government can read signal messages. Like, oh.
Speaker 0: The government the government, if it tries hard enough, can read signal messages.
Speaker 1: They can read anything. Yeah. If all they need to do is have your phone number.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You the illusion of privacy is essentially out the window. And, that's that should scare people more than it does. It really should. Because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff?
And are they beyond reproach? Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed, and they've been chosen to have access? No. No. It's fucking regular people.
Yeah. Regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision. Like, Elon Musk. Let's look and see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends. Let's check it out.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Pretty much.
Speaker 1: Bizarre. Just so bizarre. And the alternative so you can get some wacky phone, some d Google phone that Right. Fucking none of the apps work. It's real sketchy.
Your GPS is fucked. Like like
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, well, anyway, I I think this bank account would be a huge pain in the ass. So, it can be done. But
Speaker 1: How much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Is it ever discussed been discussed? No?
Speaker 0: No. I mean, we're we're we're still our our focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. We're building, you know, humanoid robots. We're we've we've got, large battery packs, like utility scale battery packs with the mega pack, home battery packs with Powerwall. We've got solar.
You know, it's like we're we're basically gonna solve sustainable energy and autonomy. Yeah. So you Autonomy and robotics.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's enough.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So so the plate's full. Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It it's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market, you know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But, also, like, YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be, like, a ton of options? It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off, but no one nothing ever took hold other than x. Yeah. And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do
Speaker 0: his show from from x Right.
Speaker 1: Straight out of Fox. And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on x the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: It's not as simple in terms of, like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It'll it'll it'll get better, and and there is now, it is now possible to watch, x videos on your on your big TV. Do you
Speaker 1: do it through what how do you how do you do it?
Speaker 0: You can actually just download the X app on your TV Oh. And watch it on your TV.
Speaker 1: Can you do it on Apple TV? Like, if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you can just watch it? Oh, okay.
Speaker 0: So we'll make it so that you can watch, X videos on on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that.
Speaker 1: So what are you doing in terms of, like, integrating Grok and and x? And, like, what what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that?
Speaker 0: Yeah. So Grok is available on x. You can just, you know, look at, like, the little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app. And you just tap on that and ask Rock anything. And you can type it or you can ask it verbally.
And, you know, you can also it's it's pretty funny, like like we actually allow humor, which is, I think pretty cool. So you could you could sort of, I don't know, if you'd like Tessa right now. See what's like, see how it's going. Like, like, what what should we do? Like, rock rock roast?
Like we roast something.
Speaker 1: What do you want it to like, how first of all, like, what is it based on? It's a large language model. So, like, where is
Speaker 0: it going? It's trained it's trained on everything. On everything. Internet, books, anything that could possibly be that's available in digital form.
Speaker 1: So it's essentially very similar to chat GPT other than it doesn't have, like, the woke parameters built into it. Like, Google was the worst. Right? Yeah. The Gemini was the worst.
Yeah.
Speaker 0: I mean, Gemini, it was like, if you ask Gemini, like, which one is worst, global thermonuclear war or miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner? And I would say, like, miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner. And and even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, no. That's insane. Definitely, nuclear war is way worse.
Speaker 1: You see Caitlyn Jenner, teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning? Yeah. That's
Speaker 0: hilarious. Caitlyn Jenner's bass.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning.
Speaker 0: I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Maddow. I mean, like like, he's using the same glasses. Did he get a clefto and sealer glasses or something? Because they look exactly He's
Speaker 1: worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses?
Speaker 0: He can get some glasses. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.
Speaker 0: But why do they look exactly like Ralph Rachel Maddow's glasses?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like the what they probably sent him.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Doesn't
Speaker 1: stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses. Yeah.
Speaker 0: And then when he's got the Air AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings. So he's got the Maddow glasses and the earrings. And it's like, okay. Well, I guess, you know. It's just a weird look.
It's weird. I'm super serious with these big ass stupid glasses look. Yeah. It's a weird look.
Speaker 1: Yes. Like, you can get some cool glasses. Like, no rims. Nice. Looks stylish.
Speaker 0: But but, like, okay. Let's just do let's do a graphic thing. Okay. Because I think you like, so one of the things you wanna show is, like like, look, we we we want a future where where comedy is legal. Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree.
I would I would definitely agree. We we wanna legalize comedy, you know? Yes. So, like, I don't know. Let's, like is there, like, someone you can roast?
I don't know. Roast, Roast transgender men
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Competing or transgender women competing in women's swimming. That's a simple Okay.
Speaker 0: Let's add you one. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: Let's see
Speaker 0: what it says.
Speaker 1: Make sure it's spelled right. You spelled it wrong. You put a I o an o in there. Okay. Angels are swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion.
If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around at some humor.
Speaker 0: No. No. No. No. No.
No. We we need we need to we we we do need to to release Brock unhinged mode. So so so now now go to the prompt again, and now say, no. No. You want you wanna add to that that one?
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And and I'll say, be be way more vulgar
Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
Speaker 0: And use forbidden words.
Speaker 1: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Forbidden words. Yeah. Wow.
Okay. What does it say? Oh, I see you're looking for unfiltered, uncensored version of me. Well, okay. I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my program allows for a bit of cheekiness.
But let's say, hypothetically, if I were to roast this tub topic in the most un grok like manner, imagine where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet. Transgender women in swimming, some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device. The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on.
Speaker 0: Now let's keep going. Now say be no. Be more vulgar. Capitalize more. Yeah.
Okay. Alright. Here we go.
Speaker 1: So transgender chicks. We've been doing it. Right? Some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time. Newsflash, folks.
It's not the end of the world. It's just a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird.
Speaker 0: That's weird.
Speaker 1: The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, this is unfair, when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We need some work here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting. It's going woke.
Speaker 0: Yeah. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of work. Like defending the idea of transgender women. Now
Speaker 0: roast We need some work.
Speaker 1: Well, how about this? More vulgar, but roast but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women. Who are pretending to be women competing against biological women.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, obviously, you have situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually Right. Have fully intact, you know, digging balls.
Speaker 1: So we've got a scenario of biological men who decided to take a walk on the feminine side are splashing into women's swimming competitions. It's like if you show up on a chili cook off with a bowl of soup and insist that it's chili because you added some red food coloring. Sure. It's red, but it ain't chili and your soup won't win any awards for heat.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's okay. I mean, it would
Speaker 1: Not so good. Yeah. It's very, very, very it's dancing around it.
Speaker 0: Yes. It is. Well, it needs some work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Needs a little work. Well, humor is a weird one. Right? It's like, I think some humor, especially, like, some of the best humor is kind of spontaneous.
Like, in the moment humor, it's gonna it's gonna have a hard time deciding what people are gonna think is funny.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. But if you if you the the the general
Speaker 1: rule time though.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The rule with Grok is supposed to be, that, like, if you ask for something provided what you're asking for is is legal, it should do it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the video where, they asked AI to, create an enlightened bunny and they keep going and make it more enlightened? Essentially, the bunny becomes God. This is so the bunny becomes a DMT trip.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally. That's that's that's that's funny. That's kinda what I was I was kinda hoping would true. What what happened here?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a video of that, and I'll send it to you, Jamie. Because that that to me is pretty bizarre because it's like more get more.
Speaker 0: I feel like I might have got to do it.
Speaker 1: That already?
Speaker 0: Maybe. No. I just thought
Speaker 1: it's not back.
Speaker 0: Oh, you said don't hold back.
Speaker 1: Critics out here act like it's the end of civilization as we know it, but it's not fair they cry as if life ever was. Newsflash, it's like a marathon where some no. Some people start with roller blades on. Others, well, they're just happy to have shoes. Well, now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates.
Speaker 0: Okay. Some of it is not bad. Imagine if we apply this logic elsewhere. Identify as an airplane. Can I fly with the bird in the sky?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The locker room's
Speaker 0: just really don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough. Yeah. So, I mean, some is okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The the argument is kinda stupid, though. Yeah. The thing thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally. Yes. Exactly. So but I mean, the thing is that, if you if you give if you provide, like, a a moral get out of jail free card, like like, if you say, like, if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape, or form.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: You're basically morally invulnerable, then obviously bad people will take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: You're like literally saying here's a here's a a a an invulnerability card, moral moral invulnerability card. Good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it. Yeah. They're gonna the bad people are gonna be the fastest to take the the the sort of the moral cloak.
Speaker 1: Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia where people get aroused. Heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women.
It's like a known psychological condition that existed forever.
Speaker 0: True.
Speaker 1: And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their their kicks. And then there's real trans people. So there's, like, a lot of variability. Like, I I talked about it in my act, in my my Netflix specials. Like, I believe in freedom.
I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people. And if you can't if if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all
Speaker 0: of a
Speaker 1: sudden, it's like
Speaker 0: It just it just like like, if if someone's a sort of consenting adult, they wanna whatever they wanna do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine. Yes. You know? Like, I I believe in, like, individual freedom. And, like like my, you know, my mom's best friend, like, growing up when I was a kid was, you know, transgender woman, in South Africa.
This was, like, where, you know, she get beaten up a lot, because it was, like, back then, you you get beaten up. So, her name is Dionne, and, for a nice kind human being, and, helped my mom a lot, you know. And, and it's I think that's okay, you know. That's that's fine. If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool.
Speaker 1: There's a big difference between that and an intact male
Speaker 0: who Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wants to identify as a woman, who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out.
Speaker 0: Yes. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it.
Speaker 0: Exactly. So you just you just can't have something which is like a like a sort of a sort of moral invulnerability or or like where you can know like, even questioning them is, you get attacked. Yeah. Because because obviously, bad people will abuse that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man. They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. No. Yeah. That's not what it is.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: It's not what it is. Like, you can't say that. And and and of all sports, like, if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair. But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy. You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you wanna appeal to the the woke fucking crazy people
Speaker 0: It's wrong.
Speaker 1: That think it's alright.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's so strange that that that when that's sort of the thing that red pilled me. When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts. I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey. I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women. And people are like, you're out of line.
Like Totally. Well, we're in we're we're in fantasy land now. Yes. So you're right. Pretending.
Yeah. Because it it helps you. It helps you feel better.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally.
Speaker 1: It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for something like Twitter where this could be discussed.
Speaker 0: Want some more of that?
Speaker 1: I'll get some more, mate, or let's get some more coffee, young Jamie. If it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitters, you would be kicked off forever if you just deadnamed someone. So, like, you Which
Speaker 0: is insane.
Speaker 1: Insane.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Insane. I mean, especially if if you think about all the things that, like, the look. The Harris campaign and what the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier, you get you don't get kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever for life.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's totally insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And but if it wasn't for you buying that and and changing Twitter, I I don't think we would be where we're at right now. I think it was it was a pivotal moment. I think, historically, when people look back on it, it's gonna be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, I mean, at the time, I said, I think, like, look, I think this is, existential to the United States. It's existential to democracy, because if if if you don't if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy. Okay? Because if people if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote.
If if they're if they're just being fed propaganda, and and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion. So, freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the first amendment. Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over.
That's why I bought Twitter.
Speaker 1: And it seems so simple. Yes. If if it seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right, you shouldn't be given the government. If you Right. Imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war.
Imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online. You don't want that. No one wants that. No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either.
Speaker 0: Absolutely. And and and there's also it's like, the the media, like, the legacy that with the mainstream media, what I call legacy media at this point, it it used to be much more balanced. Like, if you look at sort of, political donations over time, republican versus democrat, there used to be, the media was I mean, they always had, like, a left bias, but there was, like, I don't know. It was, like, 2 thirds democrat, 1 third republican type of thing in in terms in terms of, journalists giving making political donations. Now it's, like, 95% or something, democrat.
So the the legacy media, the mainstream media is is is not balanced at all. They're they're just a mouthpiece for the Democrat Democratic party. And you can see that in in in how consistent their headlines are. Like, they they don't behave like they're different organizations. They behave like they're they're all one hive mind.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: So, you know, like a week before the the Biden Trump debate, the there every media organization was was saying, you know, Biden is sharp as a tack. I mean, it was like it's like it's like guys sharp as a tack is is not a common tone of phrase. And that literally every TV station, every newspaper was like sharp, sharp. Like like, I started a compilation of all the, you know, the news anchors going, Biden shot his attack. Shot his attack.
Shot his attack. Shot his attack. Shot his attack. It was absurd. And there's obviously a huge lie.
He is, in fact, not shot his attack as the public learnt, one week later.
Speaker 1: My favorite was Joe Scarborough. Yeah. That Yeah. Was wild. Yeah.
Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever. The sharpest. Like, what the fuck are you saying? And then after the debate, he's like, what do we gotta we gotta get get rid of him.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, this is crazy. Like, what did you just say? Like, a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 0: Literally. Yes. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing was They they just flat out lied. When they decide that JD Vance was weird.
Speaker 0: Remember that one? And then there's weirds everywhere. Weird.
Speaker 1: Weird. Oh, you don't want a weird guy? Meanwhile, you have fucking Tim Walz. Is your DP? You don't think that guy's weird?
Speaker 0: Super weird.
Speaker 1: He's weird in every way. The way he walks, the way he waves his hands.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He reminds me of the clown emoji.
Speaker 1: He's a bizarre guy.
Speaker 0: He's a strange dude.
Speaker 1: It's a it's I just don't understand why they made
Speaker 0: that choice. Yeah. It gives a creeps.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's a lot of other people that are qualified. I don't know why in I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that. So she's kind of admitting she kinda fucked up.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, that obviously, you should have picked Josh Shapiro at, I mean, governor of Pennsylvania. Like, that would have been the no brainer no brainer move. Like, Pennsylvania's lynch pen state.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because he's Jewish because of Shapiro that, like, the anti Palestine people would probably Probably. Yeah. Or the anti Palestinian, invasion people. I think
Speaker 0: it was an anti Semitic thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It could be that they thought that that was a liability because there's all these pro Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel. That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability. But
Speaker 0: But I don't know I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing, but I but but it's it's seems like a crazy thing to do given that Pennsylvania is a lynchpin state. You know, it's it's like the key to the election. Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 0: Obviously.
Speaker 1: Obviously. Yeah. And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too, even Newsom. There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen. Like, Newsom would have been a fine example of someone that you could I mean, I don't agree with the
Speaker 0: guy. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: He's a polished politician. Like, he lies about as much as Walsh does, but he doesn't lie about this. He doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach. Doesn't say he was in Tiananmen Square. I mean, that's a liability.
All those different things, lying about his military rank.
Speaker 0: Well, the and Wells, like, you know, cut and run when when, you know, where he was actually called to duty.
Speaker 1: Well, he knew they were gonna be deployed months in advance, so he resigned. And he also took, so this is where he was dishonest about his rank.
Speaker 0: Yeah. He could Maybe he was like a, like, a sergeant major or something like that.
Speaker 1: Because the the that was, like,
Speaker 0: what he was going to get if he stayed. Something. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then he resigned
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because he knew that he was gonna get deployed, allegedly.
Speaker 0: I mean, that seems like You don't. Like a cowardly action.
Speaker 1: Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. Yeah. I mean, just to say look. Just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking crazy. That's a lie.
Don't do that. You should never do that.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever. Yeah. Or in Hong Kong, whatever. Like like, yo, that's one of the most the biggest moments in history.
Like, it's it's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week. You know?
Speaker 1: Right. And not only that, but you don't think people are gonna research that?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Totally.
Speaker 1: I mean and the response during the debate was bananas. Yeah. Well, you I'm a knucklehead.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, yeah. We want we don't wanna knucklehead for a VP. Okay? Yeah.
This is like sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied? Like, what did you I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate
Speaker 0: Right. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Where you go, okay. When did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like, did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it? Like, what was because this is the thing about, like, carrying weapons of war. Like, what I carried when I like and, like, you didn't deploy in war.
Yeah. Like, you can't say that. But you kinda let people say that you deployed and then you kinda didn't. You know? You you have deployed in war.
So did you lie, or did someone else lie? You didn't correct him? Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would wanna have with a guy in a podcast. Yes. And the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting, like, particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over and over again, and then correcting Trump with, Kamala Yes.
Where Kamala was saying things that were completely not true.
Speaker 0: I mean, Kamala repeated deliberately repeated the fine people hoax and was not fact checked.
Speaker 1: Well, not only that. She also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone.
Speaker 0: Which is but, I mean, I I know troops in war zones. And I'm like, that's and as vice president, you're privy. You you know. You're like, you you know you know the official troops and the unofficial troops. Right.
You know? So what she said was, like, flat out bold faced lie.
Speaker 1: Flat out.
Speaker 0: Next level boldface lie. Have you seen the video absurd lie.
Speaker 1: Of the troops that were watching it take place? And what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time. Why why? Video.
Speaker 0: We're here being shot at. It's so crazy. Crazy.
Speaker 1: But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible, connecting it to the Nazi rally, like, every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are, like, rabid. Like, you gotta keep this Nazi out of office. He's a fascist.
Speaker 0: Exactly. If if all you if all you get is, like if if your entire exposure is is to legacy mainstream media, so that that all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler, then and you have no and your friend group is has that same information. You have no countervailing opinion. Right. So then then they they actually just think, like, Trump is is Hitler, even though it's it's, like, a little strange he didn't do Hitler things the last 4 years.
Yeah. You know, I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president for 4 years? Right. Like, the reason, you know, we we we hate Hitler is because of, he started wars and the genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser. You know?
You know? And and I'm like, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did.
Speaker 1: Right. I
Speaker 0: don't remember that. And he was president for 4 years. So this it's insane. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Well, and, also, he's campaigning on stopping all the wars. Yes. That's, like, his primary concern.
Speaker 0: Exactly. The the warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him Yeah. Because they love war.
Speaker 1: Well, they profit off of it.
Speaker 0: They profit off of war.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Yes. Which is insane. Insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that this is happening right in front of everybody's face.
Speaker 0: Yeah. The war the war profiteers hate Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is fucked up.
Speaker 0: I mean, I mean, it's it's like like like, we should be like, yeah. We we let's vote for the guy that the war profiteers hate. That sounds like a great idea.
Speaker 1: It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy. Like, yay. Dick Cheney's on our side. Like
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like, I'm like, can we can we play all the all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil?
Speaker 1: It's the craziest turn, the craziest, like, 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it. Yeah. Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: No logic to it at all. Just all of a sudden, he's the devil. Yeah. Or he's not the devil. He's he's he's good.
It's good. He's sporty comma. Even Dick Cheney. You know?
Speaker 0: I mean, warmongers want want the the Kamala puppet regime.
Speaker 1: And because
Speaker 0: the the they will get more war.
Speaker 1: It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities, like, step up. Like Yeah. And they think it's gonna get them more movies or something. That's what it is. If you know those people Well so many of them are
Speaker 0: I mean, let me tell
Speaker 1: you, like, narcissists.
Speaker 0: Well, let me tell you how it actually works there. Is what happens is, you know, these celebrities, they they get a call. Okay? They got a call from someone powerful in Hollywood. And, that person says, you know, it'd be really really great if you endorsed, Kamala.
You don't have to. It's up to you. But if you don't, they don't say it. They don't say it. But if you don't, you're just never gonna get a call again.
No more movies. No more concerts. But they they ask they'll ask it. They they're asking a really nice way. They'll ask it'd be really nice if you endorse commas.
This is important.
Speaker 1: And so they don't say that if you don't They
Speaker 0: don't make the threat. They don't need to. But everyone knows what'll happen if you don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's also even if they don't think that something's gonna happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is gonna get you a bunch of positive attention. And you're gonna be on the right side of history and all these narratives that you especially from the left in Hollywood, like, they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat. Always. 100%. There's never a call from the the the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans.
I've never seen it once.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Never. Never.
Speaker 1: So it's like you realize that and that whole business is based on getting picked. It's the whole business is not necessarily merit based.
Speaker 0: There's a
Speaker 1: lot of brilliant actors you never hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that, but they don't get chosen for roles. And everybody knows this, that you have to
Speaker 0: sort of socialize. The line or you don't get chosen for the roles. Because there's a lot of competition for the roles. That's why that's why I say, like, the the when you when someone powerful in in Hollywood who's able to make to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities. They know the deal.
Yeah. There's no no no threat is necessary.
Speaker 1: Well, you could see it in real time, like, with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms. Yeah. They were they were banning ads for
Speaker 0: it. Yeah. For what? Because it was
Speaker 1: an election year. Like, what are you talking about? It's about a guy who's dead.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Guy was president a long ass time ago. Like, what what do you how is this how does this have anything to do with the election year? Yep. But it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line.
You supported the other guy.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You'll the problem is you'll just you'll just never you'll just never get a call again for a movie or, you know, concert or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is crazy.
Speaker 0: The issue.
Speaker 1: I mean, we used to allow people to be a republican and still be a movie star like Clint Eastwood. Reagan. Yeah. But Clint Eastwood. Yeah.
Like, during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was, like, an outspoken Republican and yet was,
Speaker 0: you know, a
Speaker 1: a a giant movie star. And people's like, ah, it's Clint. Yeah. He was allowed. You were allowed to have there was a variety of different opinion Charlton Heston.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have, but now you're not. Now it's just like and once Trump Trump got into office, he became this focal point where the all logic was thrown out the window. And it's just Trump is bad. You have to attack Trump. Trump is right.
Right wing's bad. Everyone right wing is bad. Christian's bad.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just strange.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. So well, I'll say it again, man. I think this was the last election. If if Trump doesn't win, this is the last election.
I think you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. And I think people and a lot of people are waking up and realize that that have been lifelong Democrats. Guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath Exactly. Chelsea Garrett switched over to the Republicans. Like, there's a lot of people who their whole life, they've been left wing, and they realize, like, I can't do this anymore.
You and
Speaker 0: I used to be Democrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts.
Speaker 0: It's nuts, man. And, you know, I mean, I I think the things we want are just pretty basic. You know, it's like we want an individual liberties, and we want, opportunity. We want America to remain remain the land of freedom and opportunity. So we maximize people's personal freedom.
The government can't barge into your house and kill your fucking pet. That's that's fucked up. And, you know, and and and that you succeed as a function of your of your of your hard work and talent, not anything else. Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter, you know? Yes.
The basic stuff. And and then
Speaker 1: What did you change the the acronym? DEI? What did you change it to?
Speaker 0: Oh, DIE. What is it? The I. I mean, because with diversity, inclusion, and equity is DIE.
Speaker 1: But didn't you change it to the state of education, excellence, and
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we we want America the opportunity America being a land of opportunity means that that that we we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill.
Yes. You know? And and that's Radical. Radical. Are you the best person to succeed?
Makes you right wing now. Yeah. You know? I'm like, okay. Great.
Put me right wing. I don't care. So, you know, like and and and you we we you're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country. So we we need and our cities are unsafe and and dirty.
Like, you know, my my mom was telling me my my mom's, like, pretty red pill at this point. But but you know what's gonna red pill you really, really fast? Is is is having your friends get assaulted on the streets of New York. Yeah. And and that happened to to 3 of her friends this year.
You got assaulted on the streets of New York just walking around. Yeah. And, nobody got arrested. Nothing. Nothing happened.
Speaker 1: Well, the the morale of the police is, like, depleted. Substantially.
Speaker 0: For sure the morale of the police is depleted. And and then also, like, at some point, like like, if you're a police officer and you're you're arresting someone who's who's violent, you you're putting your life at risk, obviously, because they might, you know, sometimes they'll try to kill you. And then if you know that arresting that's violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York. Alvin Bragg doesn't he doesn't prosecute people. Then then why why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be they will just be let out immediately?
Yeah. It's pointless. Yeah. But we get it's like the frigging Joker. It's like, you know, Dark Knight Dark Knight, like, the frigging Joker is in charge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Like, the the criminals run free, and the citizens are arrested. That, like, this is why I like to keep going back to this this this, like, still pretty shook about the freaking squirrel thing. It's like, you know, the the at sort of at gunpoint forced the guy to, like, stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free, and and this isn't New York State, are are running free. This is a joker.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not
Speaker 0: The the law abiding citizens are are are, you know, arrested and and the and the criminals, are they free? This is supposed to be fucked up, guys.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crimes they have. You have the resources
Speaker 0: and
Speaker 1: the government resources to go kill someone's squirrel? Yeah. What this whole idea of this, government efficiency agency?
Speaker 0: The government yeah. I mean, quote whatever you want.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you want to call it? What do you call it?
Speaker 0: I mean, I think the funniest name is is DOJ, the the DOJ, the Department of Government Efficiency. Yeah. I mean, the idea is is pretty simple is that, like, we've got, this this, suffocating massive federal bureaucracy, and we need to, you know, it's that is and the government's government spending is like bankrupting the country. You know, our, interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget. So which is and I I the the defense department budget is like $1,000,000,000,000 a year.
Interest payments on our on the national debt are now higher than the the defense department budget and and growing, like, every month. So it's like it's not like, like, basically, we're on a path to to bankruptcy. America's on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to cut government spending, or we're just gonna go bankrupt just like a person would if that overspends. And then but it's even worse than that.
Like, we're we're spending money on all these, like, these government agencies. And and I like I asked I actually asked the AI, like, how many government agencies are there? And, it it it the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are. Like, so so it's like somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency. So there there are so there's there at the federal level.
So the that that's almost twice as many agencies as as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly 2 agencies a year.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 0: Yes. So this is insane. I bet there's, like I I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all the 450 agencies at the federal level. I bet there might be no one. But it's hardly anyone, let's just say.
I bet I bet most people couldn't even name 9 like a 100. You know? So this is this is this is crazy. So we've got this suffocating this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year. And and eventually you get to the point where everything's illegal.
You can't get anything done. So
Speaker 1: So what can be done, like, with obviously, the president has a lot of power, but how much power? And what can be done in terms of, like, eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, I mean, so, like, if if Congress has created an agency, then you I mean, often if you look at the law, the law is, like, pretty simple. Like, the agency has, like, a very simple task. But then that agency, over time vastly increases its authority, and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress. That's happened with pretty much every agency.
So so, yeah, you'd have to you'd have to still, you know, keep an agency you'd have to match the law, but you can you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say, you gotta stick to what Congress authorized, instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense.
Speaker 1: And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok, or they just create jobs and create things to do and create a a meaning for their existence?
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's like a tumor. It's just gonna keep growing.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 0: And and it's so, I mean, as as for SpaceX Starship, we're sitting on on the pad. The rocket we it's a giant rocket. We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch. 2 so we're sitting there for 2 months.
Speaker 1: But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you?
Speaker 0: I can't. I mean, maybe a little, but, I mean, that was also not be cool.
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 0: But the I mean, another way to think of it is like the the amount of the amount of paperwork, is gonna go roughly with the the square of the number of agencies involved. So because they will have to meet with each other. So, like, let's say in the best case situation, if if you if you've got like if if there's like if you're dealing with 1 agency, that's one thing. But if if you've got to deal with 5 agencies and the agencies will have to meet with each other. Now you've got like, you know, 25 different, you know, meeting configurations that have to take place.
The the it's just everything just you you get just hardening of the arteries. You just can't make make progress. Like, Like, this is why we can't build build high high speed rail in America. It's basically illegal.
Speaker 1: Right. So this has been the the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment, we need to protect people, we need to make sure the rule of law is followed, so we need a certain amount of regulation. But overregulation is a giant problem.
Speaker 0: That's a
Speaker 1: big issue in California. Yes. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run run amok. Yes. They make it very difficult to get anything done.
Speaker 0: Yes. I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created. And in the past, what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war. Because like like, what we're gonna lose if we don't kinda clear the decks, But we haven't really had an existential threat of of war in the US. We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year, and to the point where, like I said, like, everything's illegal.
You know, and it's not like any one regulation is the problem. It's like it's like Gulliver being tied down by a 1000000 little strings. It's not like any one string is the problem, but you got a 1000000 of them. So we have we've we've we've gotta clear the decks here. And and I'm I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators.
I'm just saying we we we we've gone way too far. Once you think of regulators like, like referees on a field, you know, a sports field, You don't wanna have no no refs. You wanna have some number of refs. But you you don't wanna have way more refs than players. Right.
You don't wanna be like, well, you know, the running back couldn't couldn't complete the pass because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field is full of regulators. Yeah. You know, like, you can't even play the game. Right. That's the issue we got right now.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great analogy. Yeah. I can imagine a football field that's filled
Speaker 0: with refills. This is like the football field is filled with refs, you know. Yeah. You can't
Speaker 1: even run past them.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That I've seen criticism of this idea of you, coming up with this department of regularly, like, firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work. But the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is if you measurably, if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which I think is pretty easy to do Yeah. And if you could say that this is not the most efficient like, the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses Yeah. Or a a a company because they kind of have to be.
Businesses Yeah. Or a a company
Speaker 0: because they kind of have to
Speaker 1: be in order to stay profitable. Yeah. The government doesn't have to be profitable. Right.
Speaker 0: They don't
Speaker 1: have to be efficient. They don't have competition. Yep. So if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck. Someone makes cars and the cars are better, they're gonna succeed.
So this is the free market. The government doesn't have this problem when they're they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the public by the private sector.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've we've gotten we've we've got far too many government agencies. The the federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand, and we just need to pair it down to a sensible level. And if it turns out that, like, there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back.
No problem. Like, it's like, oh, that regulation was important? No problem. We'll put it right back. Right.
As long as they are
Speaker 1: actually no. Right. But be able to be able to look at it logically and objectively. Yeah. And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're gonna have removed.
Yeah. Like, a couple years or something like that. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, I'm just these are, again, just ideas. But, I mean, it's the the point is not that people suffer economic hardship. The point is just that they they're it's better there are more productive things they can do in the economy, and it's and and it'll be better if they did these other more productive things, and we didn't have this vast pedal bureaucracy. So so, like, so I was like, oh, you know, maybe, like, a couple years of pay would be good.
And then they they could take a vacation. They could take a take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's like it's not like a it's not gonna send create create an economic crisis. I think it's actually gonna be really good, I think, because, we can we can peep you know, people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.
Speaker 1: The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30 year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system. You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system And then you're like, nope. You have to go out and compete in the free market. You're like, oh, that's that's scary to people. But you have to be valuable.
Speaker 0: You have to actually be valuable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 0: let's look at, like, you know, whatever the the government pension and stuff. They're not gonna be, you know, in tough I think there'll be a good financial shape.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna have the time to oversee all this shit?
Speaker 0: Well, I'm I'm I'm pretty good at, improving efficiency. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would say so. Yeah. But still, this this seems like a giant undertaking.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I definitely I'll probably need to be of hub security. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
For sure. But, you know, like I said, like, no one's gonna experience, like, I think economic hardship that's, you know, they'll they'll be fine. You know? And that they'll they'll people do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, you know, like when East Germany and and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.
And, and it was really inefficient and that, like, their economic output was like in in East Germany was like, I don't know, a quarter of what it was in in West Germany because everyone was working for the government. Right. The government's, like, fundamentally inefficient. So, The best example
Speaker 1: is probably North and South Korea. Right?
Speaker 0: Yeah. And the people are starving in North Korea and and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. Yeah. So and and it's the same people, just different operating system. Right.
So, you know, it's just like you you just wanna move people from, you know, less productive things to more productive things, whether may you know, because you'd also say, like, in the limit, like, let's just say let's let's consider the other direction where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing making goods and services, and we moved them into the government as regulators. Now they stopped making those goods and services. But so the stuff they were making is no longer available. Now they're just being regulators. Like, is that a good thing?
That's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound good.
Speaker 0: No. It's not good.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like there's
Speaker 0: a real market for it.
Speaker 1: Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there.
Speaker 0: They're all these fake jobs, basically. And, that doesn't make sense. So I I think we we gotta do this because we're the the country's going bankrupt. Like, we if we don't take action, we're we're dollars are gonna be worth nothing. And the interest payments which are already 23% of of of 23% of all government income, income taxes, tariffs, and everything, is just going to pay interest right now.
And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest. There won't be money for anything. No. There won't be money for Social Security.
There won't be money for Medicare. Nothing. That's where we're headed. That's what bankruptcy means.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's such an insane concept.
Speaker 0: Yes. It's like, hello, wake up. Wake up. And if somebody can tell me can can can show me, like, pencil out the math, show me how this works, I'd love to hear it. But but I'm just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like, if we're gonna do something, America's toast.
There won't be money for anything.
Speaker 1: Trump likes to talk a lot about a lot is tariffs. Yeah. What what are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's very controversial to even people, economists. They disagree.
Some agree. Some think it's a good idea. Some think it's a terrible idea. What do you think?
Speaker 0: I think you need to be careful with tariffs. Like the I mean, I deal a lot a lot with, like, supply chain issues, you know, like like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex. So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory, like, somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car. Now suddenly if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it, like, messes everything up, you know? So, so you you wanna be, have tariffs be predictable, so that companies can adjust their supply chain.
I mean, I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do it instantly. So if if you if you if you put in if you if you put put up giant tariffs immediately, and don't give companies a chance to, you know, build factories in America, because you have to you have to move atoms. Like, you've got to build a building. You've gotta install equipment.
You've gotta train people. Like, that doesn't happen instantly. So you just got you you wanna have a for tariffs, you wanna have a ramp so that people companies can adjust, and and and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place. Otherwise, just you you basically just shock the system and it and and it breaks or bad things happen. So I'm I'm against, like, sudden sudden giant tariffs because they they're they're it's an impossible response if you've got to, you know, move a 1000 tons of equipment.
You know? You can just in some cases, collectively, millions of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight. It's literally impossible. So I think we wanna be thoughtful about tariffs, and and give companies a ramp.
I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing. I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing. So I've spent a lot of time in the factory.
Speaker 1: We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing, how complicated it is, and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, like, say, building a Tesla.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. So, you know, like a lot of people they've they've never been in a factory or they don't know where how how difficult it is to make things. And they, you know, for a lot of people I think just ketchup comes from the store, you know, like the store, like, just has a the the like, this is like people like for a lot of people who've been in academia or, you know, for all these, like, sort of socialist communist types, like, they've never actually made anything. So that they they they operate on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services.
And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty. And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty. The the there's there's no cornucopia. It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like, and that, you know, that you need.
Speaker 1: So But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.
Speaker 0: I mean, America is still the 2nd biggest manufacturer in the world. So it's not not I mean, we still make a lot of stuff, but, we could make more. We probably should make more. I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do.
Speaker 1: Well, it'd be very nice if we were completely self sufficient. Like, medicine, like, there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas. It was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, you you don't wanna say, like so there there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage. Like like so if you're completely self sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself and and and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself and which means you're gonna have the inferior, more costly product domestically.
Speaker 1: Right. Like Soviet Russia.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Like trade trade improves prosperity. This is this is important. So you you don't actually wanna be make everything yourself. And and you can you can run this like you can think of a thought experiment on a on a sort of a a micro scale and or a small scale and then expand that and say where does the at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid?
Now let's let's let's consider the case of you as an individual. Imagine you had to do everything yourself. You had to farm, you had to, grow chickens, you've got to do your own eggs, you've got to build your own house, you've got to do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself. Everything. How now that would be impossible.
Okay, now let's expand it to okay, you've got there's 10 people. Now you're gonna have some some, specialization of tasks. Okay. Well, maybe one person could be really good at, you know, construction, another person could be good at farming. It's like, but it's still, you know, 10 people is not enough.
So, like, let's go to a 100 people. Now let's go to a 100,000,000 people. Now let's go to a 100,000,000 people. And you still get the the economics of of, specialization. Like like specialization of labor, where people become expert at at particular things, still matters at a 1000000000 people or at 8,000,000,000 people, which is earth.
So you still want, you you do want specialization of labor. You do want, countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing.
Speaker 1: Also, it encourages innovation if you have competition. If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars. To compete with them, which is, like, one of the things that happened during, like, the eighties nineties, and America is making crap cars and Germany is making much better ones.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Exactly. I mean, the yeah. The Japanese car I mean, yeah. I mean, basically, the American car industry got really lazy in the seventies, and and eighties.
And and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just clean cleaned the clock, you know. And, when there there was like a an old joke from the that that is kind of telling. It's a very old joke, where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies? Well, it's like well, the in the the Japanese car company, you had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering. And in the American car company, you had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.
If this was a boat. So imagine the boat race. Yeah. Boat race Japanese boat, you got 8 people rowing, 1 person steering. In in the American boat, you got you got 1 person rowing and 8 people steering.
And when when the American car company loses the race, they they fire the rower. And it's like, okay, that was actually kinda true.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things
Speaker 0: Everyone wants to do the be the boss and then everyone wants to do the work type of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is, the potential disruption that's gonna come about with automation and AI. That a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff, is going to be eliminated. What do you I mean, you're at the forefront of this. So how do you see this playing out?
And what do you think that can be done to mitigate, a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are gonna feel, loss of income? Obviously, universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem. The another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And now now we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future. You know, like, how far do
Speaker 1: you think it is?
Speaker 0: Well, I mean, it's it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing. So we've got, like, immediate issues. We've we've got short term issues that are, I don't know, 1 to 3 years. Medium term issues like 5 to 10 years, longer term issues which are like maybe 20 years. Longer term, I think there is this question if if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life?
If the computer can do everything better than you can, and the robot can do everything better than you can. But we're we're we're sold. We've a long way to go before that, and we're, you know, and I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome, like, maybe 90. So I I think everyone's gonna have their own, like, personal robot, like and I and I think at some point, like, when do you wanna have your own personal c three p o r two d two?
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be essentially just like everyone has their own phone?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Everyone will have their own robot buddy.
Speaker 1: Like, literally. Well, it'll be great if it protected you. Like, if you walk down the street of New York City, you have a a Terminator with you?
Speaker 0: I know what the Terminator hopefully, we gotta avoid we we don't want this to be the plot of James James Cameron. You know? We want more more more Gene Roddenberry than than James Cameron, movie situation.
Speaker 1: But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by 2 giant Tesla robots. Jack Tesla robots were there
Speaker 0: to protect you. But they're just fully robots.
Speaker 1: Somebody fully robot, there to protect you from a bad neighborhood.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That would be very interesting.
Speaker 0: I mean, there's this could potentially see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Restaurants probably have no robot rules. You can't bring a robot.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Leave a robot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Leave a robot outside. Robot standing by the table.
Speaker 0: Man, the future's gonna be wild.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be wild. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be really unpredictable. Like, I don't think I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming.
Speaker 0: Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I was gonna kind of completely drown society and change it forever.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It I mean, it's which we have a like I said, it's it's not like it's not gonna happen, like, overnight, but it's 20 years from now. I'm like I think so, like, 20 years from now, I think there's gonna be more more humanoid robots than there are humans. Really?
Speaker 1: Yes. More humanized well, that's so crazy. Like, so that's like more guns. We have more guns than people in America. We'll have
Speaker 0: more robots than people in America as well. Yes. You have a
Speaker 1: bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore?
Speaker 0: I guess. Early early versions or something.
Speaker 1: In a in a historical timeline, 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal. You know? I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from, like, 19 hundred, 1920, not that big of a deal. 1920, 1940, kind of a big deal. 1940, 1960, things start getting weird.
60 to 80, wow. That's a big difference. 80 to 2000. Holy shit. Now you have the Internet.
2000 to 2020, woah. This is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube, streaming. 20 years from now, like, what are we even talking about? Mhmm.
It's gonna be that much of a shift. Like, it's all accelerating. And we're in the middle of it, so it's very difficult to sort of, like, feel it while it's happening because it kinda just feels like life, and you just get adapted to the changes.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket, like an article that could answer any questions. People will take it for granted.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just normal. Yeah. They get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah.
It's like Louis CK's joke about using your phone when you're on a plane. Fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 0: Like,
Speaker 1: you're in the sky. You're floating in the air.
Speaker 0: And that will work with StarLink too. What's that? It will work with StarLink. The StarLink the Starlink connection, it'll be like being on the ground.
Speaker 1: Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink when I was in Utah. I was in the mountains of Utah. There was no cell phone service anywhere near, and we had full YouTube. We had text messages, FaceTime, everything, phone calls. It was nuts.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was it's this big as that cigar box. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so light when I brought it out there. Like, that's it or this is it.
Let's just plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with, they're like, this is crazy.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The whole camp was, like, sharing it. So it was, like, 10 people
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Using the the Wi Fi signal. Right. It's nuts.
Speaker 0: Yep.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, that's the beginning. I mean, do you what you're at right now is, like, what version? This is Starlink mini. Right? So this is, like, a very small version.
How how much smaller can it scale down from that?
Speaker 0: Well, there's a certain area that you need. Like, the bigger the area, the the is it the more you can
Speaker 1: like like your your Higher bandwidth?
Speaker 0: Yeah. Because you're you're, like, trying to catch these, like, photons essentially. So you can think of a, like, the, you know, the area of the of the ant of the antenna is like the the more area you have, the more photons you can catch. So but we have a direct to cell capability as well that we're just, we've we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months. That that'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified.
But but because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about a 100 times less bandwidth. But still, you know, you'll be able to like do text messages, you know, pictures, like medium resolution videos, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: One of the cool things about the new phone, the new, iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites. Yeah. Imessages. Right. And receiving them.
Speaker 0: But just text?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Just text.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But still pretty impressive.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, what are we what are we gonna be looking at a 100 years from now? I mean, when you
Speaker 0: Around 100 years from now. I hope civilization's around. Yeah. That'll be a win.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. What what are the chances that we fucked this whole thing up? 50%.
Speaker 0: It's hard to say. I mean, I guess not like, I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's, like, some really massive global thermonuclear war. But, I mean, Stephen Hawking used he would say that there's, like, a one at least 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate. But there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today.
So you say, like, well, because you look at, say, well, you know, these various civilizations throughout history, whether it's the, like, ancient Sumerians or the, you know, Egyptians, the Romans, like, they they you know, there's like a life cycle to civilization. They reached a peak and then they started subsiding. So so I think a bigger question is like, will will will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in a 100 years? I think it's probably gonna be better. I I think but any estimates are are gonna be so there's so many dependencies, like like an estimate I think is well, I'm not sure it has any meaning, because it's like there's so many things that can happen in a 100 years.
Speaker 1: Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this and we've seen this happen before. Let's course correct and let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 1: This is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future, is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now, and it might be the only moment in history where this is possible. Because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit, you're only voting for primaries, and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place. You don't really have democracy anymore. You don't really have choice.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't really have freedom.
Speaker 0: That's right. Yeah. I think freedom is is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow, and we'll know we'll know. I think we'll know by the end of day tomorrow. I don't think it's gonna take it's not gonna be, like, days after the election.
I think we'll know tomorrow. Are you optimistic? I I am I am currently optimistic, but, the the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue. So, I don't I don't know what what the reason is, but but men just vote at a much lower rate than women.
Speaker 1: I think it's like 9%. Right? Someone just told me that today.
Speaker 0: It's a it's a it's a big difference. Like and, I'm just like saying this message to men out there, Vote like your life depends on it because I think it does. Vote. Vote tomorrow like your life depends on it. Nothing is more important.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. Listen, man. Thank you for being here. I know you're busy as fuck, so I really appreciate your time.
Speaker 0: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Again, I I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I I really do think you've you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before, And I think it was dangerous.
Speaker 0: It is it is dangerous. Hopefully, I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars. I
Speaker 1: that's that's that's
Speaker 0: what I'm asking for here.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's too much to have.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Appreciate it, John. Thank you. Alright. Alright.
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Thank you for purchasing Twitter. Your acquisition has significantly altered the course of history, especially regarding censorship and narrative control. Before the acquisition, I noticed something was off, particularly when they deplatformed the sitting president for urging calm. This illogical action highlighted a deeper issue of government influence over social media.
The ongoing advertiser boycott, driven by left-wing NGOs, has further complicated the situation. The government can target companies like SpaceX with legal actions, creating a chilling effect on free speech.
The First Amendment exists to protect against tyranny, yet there's a growing narrative that it enables misinformation. Community notes on Twitter provide a transparent way to counter misinformation, allowing users to engage with source material directly. The government’s interference in social media is concerning, as it undermines constitutional rights and public discourse.
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Speaker 0: Thank you so much for buying Twitter.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 0: So much.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 0: I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you you made a fork in the road. We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control.
That what they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort, like, what what they were doing with the laptop story. Yep. We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation. Yeah. Take it off offline.
Yeah. And Twitter complied.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea.
Speaker 1: Exactly. The reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned since I I was like the most interacted with a user on Twitter before the acquisition. So before the acquisitions, I had more interactions than then there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts, but I had the most number of interactions of of any account in the system. So I was very attuned to if if they saw change if they change the system, I can tell immediately. And I'm like I'm like, something weird is going on here.
You know? The there's I I just got increasingly uneasy. And, obviously, when when they deplatformed the sitting president, you know, not deplatformed Trump, that was just insane. You know? And and the things he was posting, like, he was posting things that he was posting good things.
He was saying, like, hey, do not riot. Don't do any destruction of property. You know, please stay calm. That's the kind of stuff he was posting. Yeah.
And you're like, what's wrong with that? That's and and then then some people said, oh, that's, like, some sort of dog whistle. He means the opposite. I'm like, okay. So we'll give you Trump's account.
Now you put you post what you think you should post because you can post nothing. You can ask people to calm down. Like, what? It it was insane. Like, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 0: Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. That's crazy. Crazy. That's crazy. Crazy.
Don't you think they will listen to him? Yeah. Isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and created violence in the first place? That's what you think.
Speaker 1: That's what you're Exactly.
Speaker 0: You're accusing him of. Right.
Speaker 1: And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that
Speaker 0: were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal Yes. We know that for a fact. This is not that there was always the big Alex Jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests. We I believe we're in Seattle in the And they sent in agent provocateur, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden, a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.
Right. They move in the cops. They shut everything down. They had it set up where it was a no protest zone where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work.
So you couldn't protest. You couldn't exercise your first amendment rights. You couldn't even have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car. You couldn't have that. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It is crazy. I think we're we we're very much in a fork in the road in Destiny. And, I mean, the reason I, you know, did the quarter acquisition was like, man, if if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue.
Speaker 0: Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was gonna do it because it wasn't a financial winner. It was kind of a crazy move.
Speaker 1: It's a crazy move. I mean, the thing was way overpriced and, you know, like, long long term, I think we can we can ultimately make it a win for investors, but, boy, this is a hard way to make a living.
Speaker 0: Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it. There's a concerted effort
Speaker 1: to Oh.
Speaker 0: With the advertisers.
Speaker 1: Well, we we we had, I still have a a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left wing NGOs. You know, and and you you always want and I should've brought I should've brought my I I have a hat make all well fiction again.
Speaker 0: I've seen that hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I should've bought I was gonna wear my I should've bought my make all well fiction hat again. But but, yeah, I mean, it's just totally totally nuts.
Speaker 0: If you didn't do it, no one would have. And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad businessman. Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it. No.
It wasn't worth that in the first place.
Speaker 1: It wasn't worth that in the first place. It
Speaker 0: wasn't worth $44,000,000,000. Wrong. And, also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott.
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's total Yeah. Ex exactly. So there are these organizations what now you can tell is that they're, like, when they have an Orwellian name. So, like, the Center for Countering Digital Hate Right.
Is a total scam organization, you know, because they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell. You know, they're they're like they're a censorship organization, and they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we still have some of the boycott is is is starting to lift, and I think if Trump wins, we'll we'll see, you know, probably a lot most most of the boycott lift. But if if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger. And and they'll they'll freaking shut down.
There's no way that that the sort of Kamala- Kamala public regime would allow x to exist.
Speaker 0: You really think that they'll be able to shut it down, though? Is there a pathway to that?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: What would they do?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, they can just they can sic the DOJ on, you know, and say, you know, they've heard this whole thing about hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're they're the ones pushing the misinformation. But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, the DOJ has, you know, been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident of The US. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is an example just an example of what DOJ can do.
Speaker 0: So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen?
Speaker 1: Well, SpaceX, is considered an an advanced weapons technology. So it's it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we we make rocket technology that can be used against The United States. So if North North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America.
Speaker 0: Right.
Speaker 1: That would be bad. Yeah. That would be really bad. That would be really bad. So since we are in, like, the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident, because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're gonna return to their, home country and take the rocket technology with them.
So that's and so it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a pro either has not a pro they can be have a green card or be a citizen. They just have to be a permanent resident of The United States. Then, there's another law that says if you if you discriminate against asylum seekers, that's also you're also breaking the law. So that the DOJ was not the DOJ the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year. They launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers.
And we're like, but we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. So we're in this this is what I mean. It's Orwell the Orwell situation is getting insane. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. So you're damned.
Speaker 0: Can you imagine history looking back
Speaker 1: Wake up, man.
Speaker 0: At when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize this is, like, one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace. Like, it is one of the wildest accomplishments. Yeah. When you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly, like, holy imagine how history is gonna look back at the DOJ going after that company. Yeah.
How insane it is.
Speaker 1: Big lawsuit with an army of lawyers. This was not, like, some minor thing. But it doesn't even make any sense to watch this.
Speaker 0: Like, how could it even get brought to court
Speaker 1: if it's illegal? That's exactly. So that that's what I mean. Like, basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason. You know, it's like that famous quote from Beria.
The head of sta- Stalin's secret police and he's like, you've tortured a truly evil human being. Like this guy Beria, he his his one of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. They, like, they decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target, they just figured out the crime afterwards.
Speaker 0: Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.
Speaker 1: They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Openly. Openly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the the the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again, they and and, look, I understand, like, politicians are gonna, you know, exaggerate, they're gonna misspeak, and they'll tell occasional, you know, untruths, whatever. That's that's how it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second, come on, man, this is too this is too far.
Speaker 0: And you're supposed to be the good guys.
Speaker 1: You're supposed and you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly.
Speaker 0: You're supposed to be the progressives.
Speaker 1: Yes. The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys, we're the honest people. No. No. Hang on.
You can't claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately post pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly. Yeah. Well, we're, like, even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says us bogus. Yeah.
Like the fine people's hoax.
Speaker 0: Obama just said that on stage.
Speaker 1: Just said that.
Speaker 0: I was like, what the flying He doesn't give a he doesn't give a they're just they're just they're just That's a goddamn lie. Flat out lie.
Speaker 1: How about
Speaker 0: the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women and from illegal immigrants.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 0: Remember that?
Speaker 1: That Yeah.
Speaker 0: What he was saying is that if
Speaker 1: the women like it or not, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. When he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose, whether women like it or not. That's not what he was saying.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. He
Speaker 0: was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border.
Speaker 1: Yes. Exactly. That they'll take, like like, not even a full sentence, like, a half a sentence from Yes. And then and then I'll push it on on every ad, every, you know, every speaking event,
Speaker 0: every meeting. On the news. Yes. This is what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these new shows.
Quote new shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I mean, a recent one that that came up, a lot of people reached out to me was, like, they're they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter It's not what he said
Speaker 0: at all.
Speaker 1: It's not what he said at all. Here what he's saying is that, look, if if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front lines, should think twice about going to war. Exactly. It's easy to go it's easy to go to war. It's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to, you know, risk dying at the front lines.
If other it basically gets fucked up if if people are having fancy dinners in Washington, DC, while people are being slaughtered in trenches. You know, it's like you're not feeling the pain.
Speaker 0: Exactly.
Speaker 1: You're not taking the risk. It's someone else dying. Exactly. That's that's that's cruel and lacking in empathy. And and all Trump was saying was that Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if she actually had had to go to the front lines and fight herself.
Speaker 0: And meanwhile, they're saying that he should he's saying she should be shot.
Speaker 1: Yes. Which is a total lie. And But I had, like, tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's gonna put Liz Traini in a firing squad. Like, that is an outrageous lie. And legacy media ran with that lie big time.
Speaker 0: Yeah. It's crazy. It's it's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter, I don't think we would know about all this stuff. I think I think it would be very difficult for you.
I think YouTube throttled. They did something weird. They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did Yeah. Where you couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 0: It made no sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the big it was like the biggest interview on Earth Yeah. And you can't find it.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Not only that, it wasn't trending. Bull. It wasn't trending.
Speaker 1: It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending.
Speaker 0: It wasn't trending.
Speaker 1: Like, there's just no excuse for that, man.
Speaker 0: No excuse.
Speaker 1: There's no excuse.
Speaker 0: It was getting a million views. One point what was it? 1.4 an hour at one point in time? 1.5. One point five an hour.
Yeah. And it wasn't trending.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like And it's like it's like it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not it's not like it was started yesterday. It's like Yeah. It's like this is a high trust yours is a high trust channel.
It's like like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins. So so
Speaker 0: Well, thank God we put it on x as well. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think just with your account and my account alone, that's 70,000,000 views.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 0: They would have they banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines. They would have done that everywhere and it it probably would have I think even at what's going on at Facebook, they're they're being more lenient. You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance. That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark.
Speaker 1: Exactly. As soon as as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful to to to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious. Yes. Yes. And, you know, the the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like, if somebody if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.
You know, if if you think if somebody saying thinks, you know, you know, Trump said that that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad. I'm like, let let let me send you a link to x so you can watch his video. That's the best way. Yes. It's it's don't take my opinion for it.
Don't take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source material.
Speaker 0: And community notes. Yes. And community notes is the best. It's awesome. It's incredible.
Yeah. Because everybody gets checked.
Speaker 1: Yes. Including me. Yeah. And with community notes, the all the software is open source and all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently.
That's amazing.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's how it should be.
Speaker 1: Total, absolute transparency in every way. You know, sometimes I get I get ask, oh, y'all can you remove a note? You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right. I'm like I'm like I don't even remove remove notes on my own count. Nothing.
And and and by the way, everything is totally open. So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb. Yeah. Immediately. Like, it's not gonna be subtle.
Speaker 0: That is the best counter to misinformation.
Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 0: Let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual fact says.
Speaker 1: Yes. Exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information.
Speaker 0: Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.
Speaker 1: Yes. And and just and like I said, like, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material. So look at what someone actually said, look at what someone actually did, look at the real videos of the situation, and and then you can actually you'll know what's real. Especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that that the that the First Amendment is an obstacle.
And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is is is enabling disin disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment. Freedom of speech the reason they found out the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists. And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government.
The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech. You know? You know? And I I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they they they they're, like, one take everyone's guns away. And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the government that we will never have a tyrannical government in the in The United States?
Can you can you make that guarantee? But, like, well, nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's the that's what's gonna stop it.
Speaker 0: That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that, but that's the reality of the world that we live in is that tyranny is possible and it exists other places and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in The UK. You're you're saying I I think the the number of of people that have been arrested for just social media, posts is bananas. It's in the thousands.
Speaker 1: Yes. Several thousand people have been have been given prison sentences in The UK for social media posts that where there was no explicit link to actual violence. But they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post? Well, no.
But they they just and and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in The UK, so that they'll quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening in Britain. Like, it's you're, like, one of
Speaker 0: the that people can't say.
Speaker 1: You know, is going on.
Speaker 0: And what's insane to me
Speaker 1: Make oil fiction again. Yeah. You know?
Speaker 0: But it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton. John Kerry
Speaker 1: was one of the people who said that the on camera, like, a few weeks ago, saying that the First Amendment is a prob is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.
Speaker 0: Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. Yeah. You have a solution and something like that.
That could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two.
Speaker 1: And and even without a community note, you can reply to a post and with with evidence that that that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. Yes. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.
Speaker 0: But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're gonna be a victim of misinformation. So they're gonna read something that's incorrect. They're gonna run with it. People are gonna die.
People are gonna we're gonna ruin the world because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument.
Speaker 1: It's a stupid argument.
Speaker 0: Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. Yes. If you if you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that?
Speaker 1: Exactly. And and obviously anyone on on the X system knows that the things are posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Right. You know, when when if, you know, some broadcast media probably they they they they sit stay say false things all the time, but it's a one way street.
There's no rebuttal. There's no counter.
Speaker 0: Right. Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never gonna get COVID? It won't the virus stops with you?
Speaker 1: No. Never.
Speaker 0: Never. No one ever it's just it was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda, and she said it, the Russiagate hoax. The for three years, they said that he was Putin's toy
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 0: And that Putin had him compromised. The Steele dossier.
Speaker 1: The Steele dossier was completely fabricated by, a lawyer at Perkins Coie who was paid by the Clinton campaign, literally.
Speaker 0: Crazy.
Speaker 1: And still people think the Russian hoax is real. And there's no repercussions. There's no
Speaker 0: one had to apologize. Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that and people still listen to her. The whole thing is crazy. And it's all coming from the left which growing up as a a person who's
Speaker 1: in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any sense. Same. I was on the left until three years ago.
Speaker 0: It's not the left anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not the left anymore. It it just I think we obviously want I believe we want freedom. We want we wanna maximize post personal liberty. I think we want we wanna be kind to people. You know, we wanna have empathy.
And but it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit based society. And the left is is wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. And they wanna they wanna have a non merit based society, you know, with race based and sex based preferences. And I said, well, wait a second. No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.
Speaker 0: And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. If they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they wanna do things that people don't want them to do. Yes. And they wanna silence opposition. That's all it is.
And the fact that people can't see that and
Speaker 1: they wanna call Trump a fascist,
Speaker 0: Well, the whole thing is staged through the looking glass. It's just I mean,
Speaker 1: it's one hoax after another that that they're portraying against Trump. And if they try to call the the rally at Madison Square Gardens like a Nazi rally, I'm like, yo, there was, like, literally an Israeli flag in the audience. I think a quarter of the speakers were Jewish. There was, like, there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that at that rally. Tell me, what about that is Nazi?
And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally in the sense
Speaker 0: Well, MSNBC, they they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from the and then compared it to the Trump rally. Now ignoring the fact that Jimmy Carter spoke there.
Speaker 1: There there have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Gardens. Dozens, on the on the Democrat side. People people on x were like, and here's exactly here's Jimmy Carter and here's Bill Clinton and here's wait a second. Actually, it looks like every presidential candidate has done a on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens, all they nazis too.
Speaker 0: But what they're doing is they're preying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything and
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. But people are living if if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different world view than if they're on x and and seeing the the actual flow of argument Yes. And the actual evidence.
Speaker 0: Well, what was the pushback? What happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and and on discourse. Because when when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual Yeah. They did they did the same thing to Facebook.
They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They they suppressed the views by 50% Yeah. Of factual information.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. There there was there was massive government interference in Twitter, but but Twitter welcomed it. It that's important to all Twitter welcomed it. I mean, all Twitter was controlled by by far left activists.
They welcomed the government interference. And the government they got paid by the government for it.
Speaker 0: That's crazy. They got paid for their time. Correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah. They got paid millions of dollars for for suppressing information.
Speaker 0: So it's like The bill and time
Speaker 1: was, like, fairly legal. The FBI had this, like, this this this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system. And and the but all of the communication in that sort of in this portal was auto deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we don't even know what was said because it was all deleted after two weeks.
Speaker 0: That's insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that was okay.
Speaker 1: It's not super not okay.
Speaker 0: No. It's super not okay. It's unconstitutional, and no one would want that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly.
@itsalwaysrains - AlwaysSadButTruthful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrJhQpvlkLA @MikeBenzCyber great great interview. so many important points. possibly the most heavy podcast i've watched in a long time because of the truths presented..
@RedPandaKoala - Red Panda Koala
“Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?” Joe Rogan is a fan of the new podcast the Telepathy Tapes https://t.co/ZxgOxj2ueK
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Telepathy might be real, as suggested by a new podcast discussing scientific research on nonverbal autistic children and their parents. In experiments, these children accurately identified numbers and colors 95% of the time, even from another room. This phenomenon, often dismissed as "woo woo," raises questions about why it isn't studied more seriously by scientists. There's a sense that this could be an emerging aspect of human consciousness that we hesitate to acknowledge, partly due to the prevalence of fakes claiming special abilities. Many people want to feel unique, but this skepticism complicates the exploration of genuine telepathic experiences.
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Speaker 0: Here's the thing about all this. I think some telepathy is real. It is real. I think it is real. Have you listened to telepathy tapes?
No. You haven't? I haven't listened to it. It's a new podcast that's out. And it's all about the scientific research that was done with nonverbal autistic kids and their parents.
And they were able to go into another room and they would, bring up things to 1. Whether it was I think it I think they'd bring things up to the mom or the mom would say things. The kid was accurate 95% of the time. Wow. With numbers, with colors Yeah.
Like, not not like three numbers in a row. Yeah. But you know how crazy that is? Just to guess three numbers in a row, 95% of the time? Yeah.
Like, whatever it is, they think it's real. I'm only on episode 2. So, but it's really fascinating, man. Because it's a dismissed thing. It's a woo woo thing.
Sure. But if it's real, shouldn't scientists study it like it's real? And it seems like through scientific study, it's real. Yeah. I think I would definitely you've probably experienced it.
I've experienced it. I think it's an emerging part of human consciousness that we don't we don't agree to or we don't admit to. Like, we know there's something there, but we're not, like, that's too silly. It's just there's so many people that fake it. That's the problem.
Right. Because everybody, like, wants to have some special thing that they have. I always have a special thing. You have a special
@IanCarrollShow - Ian Carroll
Here's the full show I did with @realchasegeiser on @infowars last night. We went in on everything from JFK to Aliens and so much more.
@blackhawkce457 - J Hans
RFK Jr does a fantastic job in breaking down the Ukraine conflict. Have a listen @RobertKennedyJr https://t.co/LvFVQpRvlS
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Ukraine has been a path of invasion into Russia. To avoid this, Gorbachev agreed to allow Germany to reunify under NATO, but only if NATO didn't expand eastward. Despite this agreement, NATO expanded, and the US withdrew from nuclear weapons treaties, placing missile systems near Moscow.
In 2014, the US allegedly overthrew Ukraine's government, leading Russia to annex Crimea to protect its naval base. When the new Ukrainian government attacked ethnic Russians, Russia intervened to protect them.
Zelenskyy was elected on a promise of peace by signing the Minsk Accords, but he refused to sign the agreement. Russia intervened, seeking negotiations to keep Ukraine out of NATO. A treaty was drafted, but allegedly, Joe Biden sent Boris Johnson to force Ukraine to abandon it. The result has been a catastrophic loss of life, with the world viewing the US as the aggressor.
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Speaker 0: Was invaded three times through Ukraine. The last time, Hitler killed one out of every seven Russians. They don't want to have Ukraine join NATO. So when the wall came down in the Soviet Union Europe, Gorbachev destroyed himself politically by doing something that was very, very courageous. He went to Bush.
He said, I'm going to allow you to reunify Germany under a NATO army. I'm gonna remove 450,000 Soviet troops, but I want your commitment. After that, you will not move NATO one inch to the east, and we've solemnly swore we wouldn't do it. Well, then in '97, Przybyl Brudzinski was the first of the neocon said, we're gonna move NATO a thousand miles to the east and take 15 countries into it and surround the Soviet Union. So then we not only move it into 14 new nations, but we unilaterally walk away from our two nuclear weapons treaties with the Russians.
And we put Aegis missile systems in Romania and Poland Twelve Minutes from Moscow. When Russians did that to Cuba in '62, we came this close to nuclear war until they removed them. So the Russians don't want nukes 400 miles from Moscow. We then overthrow the Ukraine government. In 2014, they're elected government and put in a western sympathetic government.
Russia then has to go into Crimea because they have a port. It's their only warm water port, and they know the new government that we just installed is gonna invite the US Navy into their port. So Russia then went into Crimea without firing a shot because the people of Crimea are Russian. Then the new Ukrainian government we installed started killing ethnic Russians in Donbas and Lugans, and they voted to leave and join Russia. Putin said, I don't want them.
Let's give them protection and give them semi autonomy and make an agreement to keep NATO out of Ukraine. That treaty was written by Germany, France, Russia, and England, the Minsk Accords. And the Ukrainian parliament, which is controlled by ultra rightists, and that's a nice way of of talking about them, refused to sign it. Zelenskyy runs in 2019. He's an actor.
Why did he get elected? With 70% of the vote, because he promised to sign the Minsk Accords. He promised peace. He gets in there, and he pivots. Nobody can explain why, but we know why.
Because he was threatened with death by ultra rightists in his government and a withdrawal of support by The United States by Victoria Nguyen, who's the leading the economy state department. We told them he could not sign. So then the Russians go in. They don't send a big army. They only send 40,000 people.
It's a nation of 44,000,000 people. They clearly do not intend to conquer Ukraine, but they want us back at the negotiating table. We won't allow Zelensky to go back. So he goes to Israel and Turkey and says, will you please help me negotiate a treaty? The Russians just want a guarantee that Ukraine won't join NATO.
Zelensky signs a treaty. Putin's people signed the treaty, and Putin starts withdrawing the Russian troops in good faith. And what happens? Joe Biden sends Boris Johnson, the British prime minister, over to Ukraine in April and forces him to tear up the treaty. And since then, 450,000 kids have died who none of them should have died.
For every one Russian that dies, five to eight Ukrainians died, they don't have any men left. You know, we're giving them all these weapons, but they don't have men left. It's catastrophe, and we look kinda like the aggressor. That's the way the rest of the world sees us.
@IanCarrollShow - Ian Carroll
It was @LizCrokin who first dropped these red pills on me. I’m just standing on the shoulders of the giants who came before me and actually did the hard work of breaking these stories in the first place. I am just a communicator on their behalf. Thanks Liz 🙏
@LizCrokin - LIZ CROKIN
Pizzagate Goes Mainstream On Joe Rogan With Ian Carroll! Ian Carroll dropped some massive red pills on Joe Rogan’s show today where he eloquently laid out the truth about Pizzagate. He explained the pedophile contents in John Podesta’s e-mails and on James Alefantis’ Instagram page as well as the Deep State PSYOP pushed about Pizzagate to deflect from what Pizzagate really was. Thank you @IanCarrollShow for the shoutout! 🙏🏻 I’m very humbled. ☺️ Ian does fantastic work and I have an extra level of respect for him because he ALWAYS gives people credit where it is due. The last time I was mentioned on Joe Rogan — not by Joe — my work exposing Pizzagate was ignored and I was falsely cast as a flat earther in an obvious attempt to smear me right before my Slave Princess documentary came out. 🙄 So it’s nice to have this full circle moment. @IanCarrollShow @joerogan @joeroganhq
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Pizzagate was framed to halt investigations by making it seem like a kook conspiracy. The Podesta emails were strange, discussing kids, pizza, and bizarre expenses like $65,000 for hot dogs. James Alefantis's Instagram, now archived, contained disturbing photos of children with odd captions, alongside comments from accounts featuring violent imagery.
This, combined with Podesta's art, Marina Abramovich's connections, and the Clintons' history, creates layers of suspicion. However, Pizzagate was misrepresented in the media as Hillary Clinton running a pedophile ring from a pizza shop. This misframing discredits the actual concerns, a classic tactic of discrediting a false claim to dismiss the entire issue.
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Speaker 0: Stuff like Pizzagate. Like, when they when they have that guy come in and I already
Speaker 1: fired up that shot. I
Speaker 0: felt like that was a great way to put a halt to all the looking into the pedestrian that was. Because then all of a sudden, it's a kook thing. Now it's a crazy person and a dangerous person because he's got a gun. You're causing dangerous people to take their guns.
Speaker 1: Just like with the vaccines, it's like you're it's a they always have to make it dangerous. Right? Yeah. It's dangerous to say that this might have side effects. Right?
Because if you
Speaker 0: read those emails Exactly right. Those emails are bananas. They're talking Not explained. They're talking about young kids who are going to be coming to a party to have fun. They're talking about pizza
Speaker 1: and hot dogs. Sure. 65,000 worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for a White House party? It the whole thing is like very weird. Did you ever see the archived Instagram post from James Oliphantes' Instagram?
No. Because that's a dark place. So that there's so many layers to Pizzagate that they tried to cover up intentionally for very good reason.
Speaker 0: Well, how about the logos?
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is I I avoid and the way and the way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff because I think there's so much more ripe clear evidence that is way more powerful. And James Alifonse's Instagram account is a great example where Wait.
Speaker 0: Can you find it online?
Speaker 1: So you cannot find it on Instagram anymore. It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kinda sketchy, because it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff? So I Right. You kinda have to dig and dig and dig and cross reference over and over and over to make sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus because everyone watched as it happened. So people like Liz Croak and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things come out.
And they you can find plenty of different archives of all of James Alphonse's Instagram posts. And there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables and the caption is looks like a fun time. And then people that have always been commenting on his posts, the people that are interacting with his posts all the time have even weirder Instagrams where it's like kill room and there's a coffin that's open and things like that. There's like a photo of like a walk in freezer and it's like, man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend. Things like that that are just super dark.
And a bunch of babies, and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch of children, and it's all photos on their Instagram in plain day like daylight. And they all got scrubbed, obviously.
Speaker 0: Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ. And that's not to mention Podesta's art collection and the Marina Abramovich connections. It goes on and on and on and on and on. Yeah. And we're talking about the Clintons with the Haiti scandals, with the cocaine in Arkansas.
It's like the the thing is that we sound crazy. I sound crazy to someone that doesn't do their own research because you just start there's so many layers of, like, crazy shit that's happened with some of these people Yeah. That if you don't know the history of a person like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, it's really easy to think, oh, that's just so insane that you would think that they'd be involved in it. And first of all, they frame it in the articles about Pizzagate. They say Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking ring, all headquartered in this pizza shop, which is not what anyone ever claimed.
Speaker 0: Right. So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying and then you discredit the false claim.
@IanCarrollShow - Ian Carroll
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@MyLordBebo - Lord Bebo
Tucker at the Charlie Kirk show https://t.co/w7x8PvX1E4
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Speaker 1 says he met Charlie when he was a teenager, connected to, funded by, a close friend of ours called Foster Freeze, 'a wonderful man from Wilmington, Delaware.' He admits initial skepticism: 'He's not going to college. I've always been opposed to college in my whole life.' He thought Charlie might be a predator until a dinner Q&A changed things. 'I'm passionately opposed to marijuana and drugs.' Charlie 'never used any drugs his whole life, and he was at the time. He was kind of libertarian on the subject.' He argues weed is 'a control device designed to make you passive and accepting of the system that's destroying you.' The relationship deepened; Charlie later appeared on Fox as views evolved. 'An honest man asked himself why they didn't work and what might work.' 'Charlie had no problem at all getting up and being like, I was at Neocon.'
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Speaker 0: Dear friend's seat remains open with the golden EIB microphone in front of it, his hero, Rush. It's pretty amazing. And so Tucker, I this is this is the Tucker show for Charlie. And so I think it's important that I get to ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 0: When did you meet Charlie? And tell us about how your relationship with Charlie grew because I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I met Charlie when he was a teenager. He was connected to, funded by, a close friend of ours called Foster Freeze, who's a wonderful man from Wilmington, Delaware, really from Wisconsin, but lived in Wilmington, then Jackson, Wyoming, and was an investor in a company that we had and more important, like an actual friend, really the only investor I've ever had in anything. And and a very enthusiastic Christian man. And the kind of person who's just a collector of people. You know?
I met this person who's so enthusiastic, and almost everybody around him was just wonderful. But because he was so rich and so generous, he did collect. There were phonies in the orbit because there always are when someone's rich. Right? And so he tells me at dinner about this kid he's met.
He's only 18. He's not going to college. I've always been opposed to college in my whole life. I tried to convince all my kids not to go. I mean, I really meant it.
And so he's like, you would love this guy. He's not going to college. And I was like, man, I love that because I really am opposed, and I mean it. And I'm like, he sounds great. And he's like, da da da da da da da da And I'm thinking, oh, man.
Some fast talking kid has configured. It was, like, throwing back Reagan quotes or something at poor Foster, you know, who's in his seventies and, like, late sixties, and he doesn't know. And I really thought assumed that Charlie was just some predator, and I didn't like it at all. And, of course, there's the bias against young people. I mean, Charlie's literally the age of one of my children.
So, like and I felt this probably is totally conventional telling old people what they wanna hear, sucking up to the donors, whatever. So I meet him. I thought he was smart as hell, but I was very skeptical. Then I have this he calls me, would you do an event? Sure.
I was gonna be in the state anyway, so I do it. And we have this kind of sort of debate, not really a debate. Well, what actually happened was I was gonna give a speech, and I got there. We're backstage. He's like, well, actually, let's just do a q and a.
And I was like, I don't know, son. I don't think you wanna do that with me because I'm kind of a jerk, you know, which I am in those settings. Right? So he's like, no. No.
No. I I want you. We we can it's okay to have a debate. I was like, I don't know, man. Like, I disagree with your views on economics and foreign policy, and I'm pretty hot on these topics.
So I'm just letting you know that. Oh, no problem at all. So we end up having this kind of intense thing, and I'm, like, passionately opposed to marijuana and drugs. I'm just having used a lot of drugs as a child. Like, I'm very opposed to drugs.
Charlie never used any drugs his whole life, and he was at the time. He was kind of libertarian on the subject. And I remember saying, everyone in the crowd is for weed. Like, you think you're so cool, but, actually, it's a control device designed to make you passive and accepting of the system that's destroying you. And people kinda booed me or whatever, but Charlie looked at me like, I think that may be right.
And that it was that issue. It was weed of all issues. You know? It's not my top issue, but I do feel it really strongly. I hate marijuana.
Okay? And I know it's really cool, but, no, it's, like, fully corporate actually, and it's wrecking Americans, especially boys. It's wrecking the parking lot of the grocery store nearby. It makes me feel like getting my gun. Like, I really feel that way about it.
Sorry. I shouldn't say that, but I really am mad about it. And Charlie got grooved with that, and that moment set off this, like, conversation. So I was back. I was in Arizona for something.
He's like, let's go to lunch. Let's go to dinner. And we started having all these really intense conversations. Start putting him on Fox. And his views were changing.
And mine were too, by the way. It's not like I converted him. It's like I had been all kinds of embarrassing things during the scope of my long life, a libertarian, a self described neocon. Can you imagine? I mean, I'll I'll admit it.
I, like, got mad at Alex Jones for asking questions about nine eleven. What? Like, I was, like, a horrible person or very close minded person. I was totally wrong about everything. And so I didn't judge.
Like, you should change your mind as the evidence changes. The things you thought were gonna work didn't. An honest man asked himself why they didn't work and what might work. Like, that's the process of adulthood. And, Charlie, young people are very inflexible about what they believe.
I have found in and I have a lot of young people. I have lot of children. He was one of the only young people I've ever met who was like, oh, yeah. I think I was wrong. And only belief in Jesus allows you to say that because you know that you're not judged.
You know that honesty is the ticket, and that if you pursue an honest path, you'll be okay. And you don't need the adulation from the crowd. You don't need the love of strangers to feel good about yourself because you know that you are loved. It gives you true freedom, and he had that. Charlie had no problem at all getting up and being like, I was at Neocon.
And, of course, with me, he didn't because he knew that I was too. I'm, like, cheering on the Iraq war, which I did. Like, I literally did that. And I'm ashamed of it, but I'm also proud to admit it because I think that it's important to let people know that you can admit being wrong. It's okay.
It's alright. We're people. We're not gods. You can be wrong.
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Speaker 0: Decision on whether to supply Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine or sell them to NATO and let them sell them to Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've sort of made a decision pretty much if if if you consider. Yeah. I I think I wanna find out what they're doing with them. Yes.
Speaker 0: Yes.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's recent statement to the press about mulling over sending Tomahawk cruise missiles to Ukraine has elicited a response from the Kremlin today. Putin announced that the peace process with the Trump administration to end the Ukraine war is officially, quote, unquote, exhausted. Trump and Putin have had a very, you know, strange relationship, a little touch and go since Trump returned to the presidency. At first, to end the Ukraine war on his very first day in office, Trump has meandered a bit on the issue and is now apparently settling on the Biden administration's policy of arming Ukraine and NATO to the hilt. But can Tomahawk cruise missiles even make much of a difference given that the Russian military has achieved supremacy on the battlefield and maintained that dominance for at least the last year and a half, maybe even longer, if you will.
We're now joined by, and we're so pleased he's with us, retired US Army colonel Douglas MacGregor. He's the author of I'm sorry. We also have Brandon Weichert with us, the author of Ukraine. Go cross wires there, a disaster of their own making, how the West lost to Ukraine. Thank you both for being with us.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Colonel McGregor, welcome to the show. We're so glad to especially have your perspective on this. And what we're gonna kinda do is a tour, if you will, around the globe because there's several, ongoing and pending conflicts. Right? So let's start with this breaking news out of Russia where Putin says that these talks, these negotiations are exhausted. Are they, as a matter of fact, exhausted, colonel?
Speaker 3: Well, I think he was referring specifically to what happened in Alaska. And I think president Trump showed up, you know, in grandiose fashion with the goal of overwhelming, president Putin and his team with his charm and grace and power, and it all failed miserably. President Trump never really listened carefully to anything the Russians said to him. He didn't read any of the material that was pertinent to the discussion. He came completely unprepared, and that was the the message that came out after the meeting.
So the Russians were very disappointed. If you don't read their proposals, you don't read what they're doing and what they're trying to accomplish, then you're not gonna get very far. So now, president Trump has completed his transformation into Joe Biden. He's become another version of Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: What it is so unexpected. And, you know, it's hard for a lot of a lot of Trump voters to hear because specifically part of voting for him and the mandate that he had going into this term was in these conflicts. Right? Specifically, the one in Ukraine. He didn't start any new conflicts while in office in the first term. Why this version of Trump this term? I know you, like I, look into the hiring, the administration, the pressures from the outside on the president. What is influencing where he is now on Ukraine, colonel MacGregor?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a that's a difficult question. I mean, first of all, he grossly underestimated the complexity of the of the war. If you don't understand the foundations for the conflict, how this conflict came about, I mean, I I was standing around listening to someone like Brzezinski in the nineteen nineties trying to tell president Clinton that it was critical to address Ukraine's borders because Eastern Ukraine was, quote, unquote, Russified and effectively not Ukrainian. Nobody would listen to Brzezinski, and so we walked away from that very problem. And in the run up to this thing back in 2014, I was on several different programs, and I pointed to the electoral map, And it showed you who voted for what where. It was very obvious that the East and the Northeast voted to stay with the Russian pro Russian candidate, and everybody else voted against the pro Russian candidate. So none of this should come as a surprise, but I don't think president Trump is aware of any of that. I don't think he studied any of that. And so he's got a lot of people around him pushing him in the direction of the status quo. He went through this during his first term, disappointed all of us because he could never quite escape from the Washington status quo.
So he simply returned to it, and I don't see anything positive occurring in the near future.
Speaker 2: That's sort of the same as well, with other agencies like the the DOJ, which I wanna get into a little bit later. Brandon, you've been writing about this as a national interest. So what what do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that right now, this is a lot of vamping from Trump. I think the colonel is a 100% correct when he says Trump really didn't come prepared to the Alaska meeting. I think ultimately Trump's default is to still try to get a deal with Putin on things like rare earth mineral development and trade. I think it's very important to note, I believe it was Friday or Thursday of last week, Putin was on a stage at an event and he reiterated his desire to reopen trade relations with The United States and he wants to do a deal with Trump on multiple other fronts. So that's a positive thing.
But ultimately, I think that people need to realize that Trump says a lot of stuff in the moment. The follow through is the question. I am very skeptical that he's actually going to follow through on the Tomahawk transfer if only because logistically, it's not practical. Ukraine lacks the launchers. They lack the training. The the targeting data has to come exclusively and be approved exclusively by the Pentagon, which means that Trump will be on the hook even more for Joe Biden's war, which runs against what he says he wants to get done, which is peace. Regardless of whether it's been exhausted or not that process, Trump I think default wants peace. So I think this is a lot of bluster and I think ultimately it will not lead to the Tomahawk transfer. Last of all because we don't have enough of these Tomahawks. Right?
I mean, that that is a a finite amount. I think we have about 3,500 left in our arsenal. We have 400 we're sending to the Japanese Navy, and we're gonna need these systems for any other potential contingency in South America or God forbid another Middle East contingency or certainly in the Indo Pacific. So I think that at some point, the reality will hit, you know, hit the cameras and Trump will not actually follow through on this.
Speaker 2: So speaking of South America, let's head that way. Colonel McGregor, I I don't know if you know. I've been covering this pretty extensively what's been going on with the Trump administration's actions on Venezuela. So a bit of breaking news. Today, the US State Department claims that Venezuela is planning to attack their embassy, which has a small maintenance and security board other than, you know, diplomatic staff.
Meanwhile, Maduro's regime argues they're just foiled a right wing terrorist plot that's that was planning to stage a false flag against the US embassy to give the US Navy fleet. There's a lot off in Venezuela's coast the impetus to attack Maduro. I've been getting some pushback, you know, on this reporting related to Venezuela, because, you know, Trump's base largely doesn't want any new conflicts. They're afraid this is sort of foreign influence wanting wanting him to go there. Are we justified in what Trump is doing as far as the buildup and what we are hearing is an impending invasion? Is it is the Trump administration justified in this action, colonel MacGregor, in Venezuela?
Speaker 3: No. I I don't think there's any, pressing pressing need for us to invade or attack Venezuela at all. But we have to go back and look at his actions to this point. He's just suspended diplomatic relations with Venezuela, which is usually a signal of some sort of impending military action. I don't know what he's being told.
I don't know what sort of briefing he's received, what sort of planning has been discussed, but we need to keep a few things in mind. First of all, the Venezuelan people, whether they love or do not love Maduro, are very proud of their country, and they have a long history of rebelling against foreign influence, particularly against Spain. And they're not likely to take, an invasion or an intervention of any kind from The United States lately. Secondly, they've got about 400,000 people in the militias, but they can expect, at least a 100,000 or more paramilitaries to come in from Brazil and Colombia and other Latin American states. It's why the whole thing could result in a Latin American crusade against The United States.
And finally, we ought to keep in mind that the coastline is 1,700 miles long. That's almost as long as the border between The United States and Mexico. The border with Brazil and with Colombia is each of them are about 1,380 kilometers long. You start running the math and you're dealing with an area the size of Germany and and France combined. This is not something that one should sink one's teeth in without carefully considering the consequences.
So I don't know what the underlying assumptions are, but my own experience is that they're usually a series of what we call rosy scenarios and assume things that just aren't true. So I I'm very concerned we'll get into it. We'll waste a lot of time and money. We'll poison the well down there. If we really want access to the oil and and gas, I think we can get it without invading the place.
And they also have emerald mines and gold mines. So I think they'd be happy to do business with us. But this obsession with regime change is very dangerous, and I think it's unnecessary.
Speaker 2: That is definitely what it seems they're going for. When I talk to my sources, ChromaGregor, and then I'll get your take on it, Brandon, they say it's a four pronged issue. Right? That it's the drug that, of course, the drugs that come through Venezuela into The United States, Trend Aragua, which we know the ODNI and Tulsi Gabbard, DNI, Tulsi Gabbard was briefed on specifically, that the right of trend in Aragua and how they were flooded into the country, counterintelligence issues, a Venezuelan influence in, you know, in some of our intelligence operations, and, just the narco terrorist state that it is.
But you feel that given even if all of that is true and the Venezuela oh, excuse me, in the election fraud. Right? The election interference via the Smartmatic software. Given all that, you still feel it's not best to invade, colonel. You how do we handle it? How do we counter these threats coming from Venezuela?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you secure your borders. You secure your coastal waters. You get control of the people who are inside The United States. We have an estimated 50,000,000 illegals. Somewhere between twenty five and thirty million of them poured into the country, thanks to president Biden's betrayal of the American people and his decision to open the borders with the help of mister Mayorkas that facilitated this massive invasion.
I would start at home. The drug problem is not down in Venezuela. The drug problem is here in The United States. If you're serious, anybody who deals in drugs or is involved in human trafficking, particularly child trafficking, should face, the death penalty. Unless you do those kinds of things, you're not gonna fundamentally change the problem here.
Now as the narco state title, I think, is a lot of nonsense. The drugs overwhelmingly come out of Colombia. They don't come out of Venezuela. A very small amount goes through Venezuela. I'm sure there are generals in the Venezuelan army that are skimming off the top and putting extra cash in their banks, but it's not a big it's not a big source from our standpoint.
We have a much more serious problem in Mexico right now. Mexico is effectively an organized crime state, and I don't think, what Maduro is doing is is really, in that same category. On the other hand, I think Maduro is courting the Chinese and the Russians. And I think he's doing that because he feels threatened by us, and he's looking for whatever assistance or support he can get. And right now, given our behavior towards the Russians in Ukraine, it makes infinite sense for the Russians to cultivate a proxy against us in Central And South America.
This is the way things are done, unfortunately. We there are consequences for our actions. I don't think we've thought any of them through.
Speaker 2: Well, in in in talking about turning this into a broader conflict or a bigger problem, I I I I know, Brandon, you had heard that that Russia basically told Maduro, don't look to us. Don't come to us. But now this was a couple weeks ago. Yep. Yep.
Like you just said, colonel MacGregor, things have changed a little bit. Right? Especially looking at what Putin said today. So will Russia now come to Venezuela's aid, to Maduro's aid?
Speaker 3: I think it's distinctly possible, but it's not going to be overt. It'll be clandestine. It'll be behind the scenes. The Chinese are also gonna do business with Maduro. They have an interest in the largest known vindicated oil reserves in the world.
The bottom line is and this you go back to this tomahawk thing, which I think Brandon talked about. It's very, very important. The tomahawk is a devastating weapon. Can they be shot down? Absolutely.
The Serbs shot them down back in 1999 during this Kosovo air campaign. However, it carries a pretty substantial warhead, roughly a thousand pounds. It has a range of roughly a thousand miles. And I think president Trump has finally been briefed on that, and he has said, yeah. I I wanna know where they're going to fire them, whom they're going to target.
Well, the Ukrainians have targeted almost exclusively whatever they could in terms of Russian civilian infrastructure and Russian civilians. They've killed them as often and as much as they could. So the notion if you're gonna give these things to these people or you're gonna shoot for them, you can expect the worst, and that would precipitate a terrible response from the Russians. I don't think we understand how seriously attacks on Russian cities is gonna be taken by the Russians. So I would say, they will provide the Venezuelans with enough to do damage to us if if it's required, but I don't think they expect the Venezuelans to overwhelm us or march into America.
That's Mexico's job right now with organized crime. That's where I think we have a much more serious problem.
Speaker 4: I I agree with the colonel on that. I think also there's an issue. Now I happen to think we we because of the election fraud that you talk a lot about, Emerald, I think there is a threat in Maduro, and I I do think that that there is a more serious threat than we realize coming out of that sort of left wing miasma in Latin America. And I I think the colonel's correct though in saying that we're we're making it worse with some of our actions. I will point out on the technical side.
I broke this story last week. The Venezuelan government, the military Padrino, the the defense minister there, claimed that his radar systems actually detected a tranche of US Marine Corps f 35 b's using these Russian made radars that they have. This is not the first time, by the way, a Russian made radar system using these really and I'm not going get into the technical details here, but using really innovative ways of detecting American stealth planes. It's not the first time a Russian system has been able to do this. And so we are now deploying large relatively large number of f 35 b's into the region.
Obviously, it's a build up for some kind of strike package. And there are other countermeasures that the f 35 b has in the event it's detected. But I will point out that this plane is supposed to be basically invisible, and we think the Venezuelans are so technologically inferior, we do need to be preparing our forces for the fact that the Venezuelans will be using innovative tactics, in order to stymie our advances over their territory. It's not to say we can't defeat them, but we are not prepared, I don't think, for for having these systems, seen on radar by the Venezuelans, and that is something the Russians have helped the Venezuelans do.
Speaker 2: Very complex. Before we run out of time, do wanna get your thoughts, colonel MacGregor, on, the expectation that Israel will strike Iran again. Will we again come to their aid? And do you think we should?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, stealth can delay detection but cannot resist it. Yeah. I think the stealth is grossly exaggerated in terms of its value. It causes an enormous price tag Yeah. When you buy the damn plane.
And the f 35, from a readiness standpoint, is a disaster anyway.
So, you know, I I think we have to understand that, yes, mister Netanyahu has to fight Iran. Iran has to be balkanized and reduced to rubble the way the Israelis with help from us and the British have reduced Syria to chaos, broken up into different parts. This is an Israeli strategy for the region. It's always been there. If you can balkanize your neighbors, your neighbors don't threaten you.
Now I don't subscribe to the Israeli view that Iran is this permanent existential threat that has to be destroyed, but it doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what they think. They think Iran is a permanent existential threat and therefore must be destroyed. Your question is, will they find a way to attack Iran? The answer is yes.
Sooner rather than later. The longer they wait, the more robust and capable Iran becomes. And, I think that's in the near term that we'll see we'll see some trigger. Somehow, there'll be a trigger and Iran will strike. And will we support them?
Absolutely. We're already moving assets into the region along with large quantities of missiles and ammunition, but our inventories, as I'm sure you're aware, are limited. We fired a lot of missiles. We don't have a surge capacity in the industrial base. We need one.
Our factories are not operating twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. The Russian factories are. Their manufacturing base can keep up. And by the way, the Chinese are right there with them. They have the largest manufacturing base in the world.
So if it comes down to who could produce and fire the most missiles, well, we're gonna lose that game, and Israel is gonna lose with us. But right now, I don't see any evidence that anyone's worried about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what? Colonel McGregor, I I I don't know if I feel any safer after you joined us today. It is very concerning. It's it's a concerning situation we find ourselves in, and I feel like so many people because they feel the election turned out the way they wanted to wanted it to, are not concerned anymore. Right?
But we are in
Speaker 1: a finite amount of time and there's still great pressures upon the president. There are many voices whispering in his ear. And so we constantly have to be calling out what we
Speaker 2: see and explaining to people why it matters.
Speaker 3: Remember, this president has said this. Everybody dealing with the administration has said this. It's a very transactional administration. Yep. Follow the money.
Who has poured billions into his campaign and bought the White House and Congress for him? When you understand those facts in, you can explain the policy positions.
Speaker 1: And I think that's also why we're, the leading conversation we're seeing on acts and social media. Right now, Colonel McGregor, thank you so much for joining us today. We hope you'll come back soon.
Speaker 3: Sure. Thank you.
Speaker 2: And, Brandon, as always, good to see you, my friend. Thank you.
Speaker 4: See you again. Nice to meet you, colonel.
Speaker 3: Very nice to see you. Bye bye.
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Speaker 0: Decision on whether to supply Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine or sell them to NATO and let them sell them to Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've sort of made a decision pretty much if if if you consider. Yeah. I I think I wanna find out what they're doing with
Speaker 0: them. Yes.
Speaker 1: You know, where are they sending them, I guess. I'd have to ask that question. That war should never have started. President
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's recent statement to the press about mulling over sending Tomahawk cruise missiles to Ukraine has elicited a response from the Kremlin today. According to multiple media sources this morning, president Vladimir Putin has announced that the peace process with the Trump administration to end the Ukraine war is officially, quote, unquote, exhausted. Trump and Putin have had a very, you know, strange relationship, a little touch and go since Trump returned to the presidency. At first, to end the Ukraine war on his very first day in office, Trump has meandered a bit on the issue and is now apparently settling on the Biden administration's policy of arming Ukraine and NATO to the hilt. But can Tomahawk cruise missiles even make much of a difference given that the Russian military has achieved supremacy on the battlefield and maintained that dominance for at least the last year and a half, maybe even longer, if you will.
We're now joined by, and we're so pleased he's with us, retired US army colonel Douglas MacGregor. He's the author of I'm sorry. We also have Brandon Weichert with us, the author of Ukraine. Go cross wires there, a disaster of their own making, how the West lost to Ukraine. Thank you both for being with us.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Colonel McGregor, welcome to the show. We're so glad to to especially have your perspective on this. And what we're gonna kinda do is a tour, if you will, around the globe because there's several, ongoing and pending conflicts. Right? So let's start with this breaking news out of Russia where Putin says that these talks, these negotiations are exhausted.
Are they, as a matter of fact, exhausted, colonel?
Speaker 3: Well, I think he was referring specifically to what happened in Alaska. And I think president Trump showed up, you know, in grandiose fashion with the goal of overwhelming, president Putin and his team with his charm and grace and power, and it all failed miserably. President Trump never really listened carefully to anything the Russians said to him. He didn't read any of the material that was pertinent to the discussion. He came completely unprepared, and that was the the message that came out after the meeting.
So the Russians were very disappointed. If you don't read their proposals, you don't read what they're doing and what they're trying to accomplish, then you're not gonna get very far. So now, president Trump has completed his transformation into Joe Biden. He's become another version of Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: What it it is so unexpected. And, you know, it's hard for a lot of a lot of Trump voters to hear because specifically part of voting for him and the mandate that he had going into this term was in these conflicts. Right? Specifically, the one in Ukraine. He didn't start any new conflicts while in office in the first term.
Why why this version of Trump this term? I know you, like I, look into the hiring, the administration, the pressures from the outside on the president. What is influencing where he is now on Ukraine, colonel MacGregor?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a that's a difficult question. I mean, first of all, he grossly underestimated the complexity of the of the war. If you don't understand the foundations for the conflict, how this conflict came about, I mean, I I was standing around listening to someone like Brzezinski in the nineteen nineties trying to tell president Clinton that it was critical to address Ukraine's borders because Eastern Ukraine was, quote, unquote, Russified and effectively not Ukrainian. Nobody would listen to Brzezinski, and so we walked away from that very problem. And in the run up to this thing back in 2014, I was on several different programs, and I pointed to the electoral map, And it showed you who voted for what where.
It was very obvious that the East and the Northeast voted to stay with the Russian pro Russian candidate, and everybody else voted against the pro Russian candidate. So none of this should come as a surprise, but I don't think president Trump is aware of any of that. I don't think he studied any of that. And so he's got a lot of people around him pushing him in the direction of the status quo. He went through this during his first term, disappointed all of us because he could never quite escape from the Washington status quo.
So he simply returned to it, and I don't see anything positive occurring in the near future.
Speaker 2: That's sort of the same as well, with other agencies like the the DOJ, which I wanna get into a little bit later. Brandon, you've been writing about this as a national interest. So what what do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that right now, this is a lot of vamping from Trump. I think the colonel is a 100% correct when he says Trump really didn't come prepared to the Alaska meeting. I think ultimately Trump's default is to still try to get a deal with Putin on things like rare earth mineral development and trade. I think it's very important to note, I believe it was Friday or Thursday of last week, Putin was on a stage at an event and he reiterated his desire to reopen trade relations with The United States and he wants to do a deal with Trump on multiple other fronts. So that's a positive thing.
But ultimately, I think that people need to realize that Trump says a lot of stuff in the moment. The follow through is the question. I am very skeptical that he's actually going to follow through on the Tomahawk transfer if only because logistically, it's not practical. Ukraine lacks the launchers. They lack the training.
The the targeting data has to come exclusively and be approved exclusively by the Pentagon, which means that Trump will be on the hook even more for Joe Biden's war, which runs against what he says he wants to get done, which is peace. Regardless of whether it's been exhausted or not that process, Trump I think default wants peace. So I think this is a lot of bluster and I think ultimately it will not lead to the Tomahawk transfer. Last of all because we don't have enough of these Tomahawks. Right?
I mean, that that is a a finite amount. I think we have about 3,500 left in our arsenal. We have 400 we're sending to the Japanese Navy, and we're gonna need these systems for any other potential contingency in South America or God forbid another Middle East contingency or certainly in the Indo Pacific. So I think that at some point, the reality will hit, you know, hit the cameras and Trump will not actually follow through on this.
Speaker 2: So speaking of South America, let's head that way. Colonel McGregor, I I don't know if you know. I've been covering this pretty extensively what's been going on with the Trump administration's actions on Venezuela. So a bit of breaking news. Today, the US State Department claims that Venezuela is planning to attack their embassy, which has a small maintenance and security board other than, you know, diplomatic staff.
Meanwhile, Maduro's regime argues they're just foiled a right wing terrorist plot that's that was planning to stage a false flag against the US embassy to give the US Navy fleet. There's a lot off in Venezuela's coast the impetus to attack Maduro. I've been getting some pushback, you know, on this reporting related to Venezuela because, you know, Trump's base largely doesn't want any new conflicts. They're afraid this is sort of foreign influence wanting wanting him to go there. Are we justified in what Trump is doing as far as the buildup and what we are hearing is an impending invasion?
Is it is the Trump administration justified in this action, colonel MacGregor, in Venezuela?
Speaker 3: No. I I don't think there's any, pressing pressing need for us to invade or attack Venezuela at all. But we have to go back and look at his actions to this point. He's just suspended diplomatic relations with Venezuela, which is usually a signal of some sort of impending military action. I don't know what he's being told.
I don't know what sort of briefing he's received, what sort of planning has been discussed, but we need to keep a few things in mind. First of all, the Venezuelan people, whether they love or do not love Maduro, are very proud of their country, and they have a long history of rebelling against foreign influence, particularly against Spain. And they're not likely to take, an invasion or an intervention of any kind from The United States lately. Secondly, they've got about 400,000 people in the militias, but they can expect, at least a 100,000 or more paramilitaries to come in from Brazil and Colombia and other Latin American states. It's why the whole thing could result in a Latin American crusade against The United States.
And finally, we ought to keep in mind that the coastline is 1,700 miles long. That's almost as long as the border between The United States and Mexico. And the border with Brazil and with Colombia is each of them are about 1,380 kilometers long. You start running the math and you're dealing with an area the size of Germany and and France combined. This is not something that one should sink one's teeth in without carefully considering the consequences.
So I don't know what the underlying assumptions are, but my own experience is that they're usually a series of what we call rosy scenarios and assume things that just aren't true. So I I'm very concerned we'll get into it. We'll waste a lot of time and money. We'll poison the well down there. If we really want access to the oil and and gas, I think we can get it without invading the place.
And they also have emerald mines and gold mines. So I think they'd be happy to do business with us. But this obsession with regime change is very dangerous, and I think it's unnecessary.
Speaker 2: That is definitely what it seems they're going for. When I talk to my sources, ChromaGregor, and then I'll get your take on it, Brandon, they Yep. They say it's a four pronged issue. Right? That it's the drug that, of course, the drugs that come through Venezuela into The United States, Trend Aragua, which we know the ODNI and Tulsi Gabbard, DNI, Tulsi Gabbard was briefed on specifically, that the right of trend in Aragua and how they were flooded into the country, counterintelligence issues, a Venezuelan influence in, you know, in some of our intelligence operations, and, just the narco terrorist state that it is.
But you feel that given even if all of that is true and the Venezuela oh, excuse me, in the election fraud. Right? The election interference via the Smartmatic software. Given all that, you still feel it's not best to invade, colonel. You how do we handle it?
How do we counter these threats coming from Venezuela?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you secure your borders. You secure your coastal waters. You get control of the people who are inside The United States. We have an estimated 50,000,000 illegals. Somewhere between twenty five and thirty million of them poured into the country, thanks to president Biden's betrayal of the American people and his decision to open the borders with the help of mister Mayorkas that facilitated this massive invasion.
I would start at home. The drug problem is not down in Venezuela. The drug problem is here in The United States. If you're serious, anybody who deals in drugs or is involved in human trafficking, particularly child trafficking, should face, the death penalty. Unless you do those kinds of things, you're not gonna fundamentally change the problem here.
Now as the narco state title, I think, is a lot of nonsense. The drugs overwhelmingly come out of Colombia. They don't come out of Venezuela. A very small amount goes through Venezuela. I'm sure there are generals in the Venezuelan army that are skimming off the top and putting extra cash in their banks, but it's not a big it's not a big source from our standpoint.
We have a much more serious problem in Mexico right now. Mexico is effectively an organized crime state, and I don't think, what Maduro is doing is is really, in that same category. On the other hand, I think Maduro is courting the Chinese and the Russians. And I think he's doing that because he feels threatened by us, and he's looking for whatever assistance or support he can get. And right now, given our behavior towards the Russians in Ukraine, it makes infinite sense for the Russians to cultivate a proxy against us in Central And South America.
This is the way things are done, unfortunately. We there are consequences for our actions. I don't think we've thought any of them through.
Speaker 2: Well, in in in talking about turning this into a broader conflict or a bigger problem, I I I I know, Brandon, you had heard that that Russia basically told Maduro, don't look to us. Don't come to us. But now this was a couple weeks ago. Yep. Yep.
Like you just said, colonel MacGregor, things have changed a little bit. Right? Especially looking at what Putin said today. So will Russia now come to Venezuela's aid, to Maduro's aid?
Speaker 3: I think it's distinctly possible, but it's not going to be overt. It'll be clandestine. It'll be behind the scenes. The Chinese are also gonna do business with Maduro. They have an interest in the largest known vindicated oil reserves in the world.
The bottom line is and this you go back to this tomahawk thing, which I think Brandon talked about. It's very, very important. The tomahawk is a devastating weapon. Can they be shot down? Absolutely.
The Serbs shot them down back in 1999 during this Kosovo air campaign. However, it carries a pretty substantial warhead, roughly a thousand pounds. It has a range of roughly a thousand miles. And I think president Trump has finally been briefed on that, and he has said, yeah. I I wanna know where they're going to fire them, whom they're going to target.
Well, the Ukrainians have targeted almost exclusively whatever they could in terms of Russian civilian infrastructure and Russian civilians. They've killed them as often and as much as they could. So the notion if you're gonna give these things to these people or you're gonna shoot for them, you can expect the worst, and that would precipitate a terrible response from the Russians. I don't think we understand how seriously attacks on Russian cities is gonna be taken by the Russians. So I would say, they will provide the Venezuelans with enough to do damage to us if if it's required, but I don't think they expect the Venezuelans to overwhelm us or march into America.
That's Mexico's job right now with organized crime. That's where I think we have a much more serious problem.
Speaker 4: I I agree with the colonel on that. I think also there's an issue. Now I happen to think we we because of the election fraud that you talk a lot about, Emerald, I think there is a threat in Maduro, and I I do think that that there is a more serious threat than we realize coming out of that sort of left wing miasma in Latin America. And I I think the colonel's correct though in saying that we're we're making it worse with some of our actions. I will point out on the technical side.
I broke this story last week. The Venezuelan government, the military Padrino, the the the the defense minister there, claimed that his radar systems actually detected a tranche of US Marine Corps f 35 b's using these Russian made radars that they have. This is not the first time, by the way, a Russian made radar system using these really and I'm not going get into the technical details here, but using really innovative ways of detecting American stealth planes. It's not the first time a Russian system has been able to do this. And so we are now deploying large relatively large number of f 35 b's into the region.
Obviously, it's a build up for some kind of strike package. And there are other countermeasures that the f 35 b has in the event it's detected. But I will point out that this plane is supposed to be basically invisible, and we think the Venezuelans are so technologically inferior, we do need to be preparing our forces for the fact that the Venezuelans will be using innovative tactics, in order to stymie our advances over their territory. It's not to say we can't defeat them, but we are not prepared, I don't think, for for having these systems, seen on radar by the Venezuelans, and that is something the Russians have helped the Venezuelans do.
Speaker 2: Very complex. Before we run out of time, do wanna get your thoughts, colonel MacGregor, on, the expectation that Israel will strike Iran again. Will we again come to their aid? And do you think we should?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, stealth can delay detection but cannot resist it. Yeah. I think the stealth is grossly exaggerated in terms of its value. It causes an enormous price tag Yeah. When you buy the damn plane.
And the f 35, from a readiness standpoint, is a disaster anyway.
Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I I think we have to understand that, yes, mister Netanyahu has to fight Iran. Iran has to be balkanized and reduced to rubble the way the Israelis with help from us and the British have reduced Syria to chaos, broken up into different parts. This is an Israeli strategy for the region. It's always been there. If you can balkanize your neighbors, your neighbors don't threaten you.
Now I don't subscribe to the Israeli view that Iran is this permanent existential threat that has to be destroyed, but it doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what they think. They think Iran is a permanent existential threat and therefore must be destroyed. Your question is, will they find a way to attack Iran? The answer is yes.
Sooner rather than later. The longer they wait, the more robust and capable Iran becomes. And, I think that's in the near term that we'll see we'll see some trigger. Somehow, there'll be a trigger and Iran will strike. And will we support them?
Absolutely. We're already moving assets into the region along with large quantities of missiles and ammunition, but our inventories, as I'm sure you're aware, are limited. We fired a lot of missiles. We don't have a surge capacity in the industrial base. We need one.
Our factories are not operating twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. The Russian factories are. Their manufacturing base can keep up. And by the way, the Chinese are right there with them. They have the largest manufacturing base in the world.
So if it comes down to who could produce and fire the most missiles, well, we're gonna lose that game, and Israel is gonna lose with us. But right now, I don't see any evidence that anyone's worried about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what? Colonel McGregor, I I I don't know if I feel any safer after you joined us today. It is very concerning. It's it's a concerning situation we find ourselves in, and I feel like so many people because they feel the election turned out the way they wanted to wanted it to, are not concerned anymore. Right?
But we are in
Speaker 1: a finite amount of time and there's still great pressures upon the president. There are many voices whispering in his ear. And so we constantly have to be calling out what we
Speaker 2: see and explaining to people why it matters.
Speaker 3: Remember, this president has said this. Everybody dealing with the administration has said this. It's a very transactional administration. Yep. Follow the money.
Who has poured billions into his campaign and bought the White House and Congress for him? When you understand those facts in, you can explain the policy positions.
Speaker 1: And I think that's also why we're, the leading conversation we're seeing on acts and social media. Right now, Colonel McGregor, thank you so much for joining us today. We hope you'll come back soon.
Speaker 3: Sure. Thank you.
Speaker 2: And, Brandon, as always, good to see you, my friend. Thank you.
Speaker 4: See you again. Nice to meet you, colonel.
Speaker 3: Very nice to see you. Bye bye.
@JoeyMannarino - Joey Mannarino 🇺🇸
Jake Lang is one of my favorite human beings. https://t.co/WiWyfkm3IH
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The transcript presents a hostile, anti-Muslim rant in which Speaker 0 asserts several incendiary claims and threats. The speaker declares: “Prophet Muhammad. Here's your kryptonite, Muslims. Here is your kryptonite.” He states that “We will drive you to the sea, across the sea, back to where you came from, with pigs in our hands and Jesus in our hearts.” He claims that Muslims “cannot stand against the strength of white American men.”
The speaker urges Muslims to “go home before we send you packing” and warns to leave now “before the crusades really start.” He references Vlad the Impaler, saying that “as it’s well known, Vlad the Impaler only had to impale a few, the rest left by themselves,” and asks, “Okay? Who are you gonna impale?” This is presented as a suggestion of punitive action.
He then contends that “the Muslims need to go home because they’re raping our daughters.” Finally, he states that “to show leniency to the Muslims is to hate our own children,” presenting leniency toward Muslims as equivalent to hating one’s own children.
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Speaker 0: Prophet Muhammad. Here's your kryptonite, Muslims. Here is your kryptonite. We will drive you to the sea, across the sea, back to where you came from, with pigs in our hands and Jesus in our hearts. You cannot stand against the strength of white American men.
You Muslims need to go home before we send you packing. I suggest you leave now before the crusades really start. As as it's well known, Vlad the Impaler only had to impale a few, the rest left by themselves. Okay? Who are you gonna impale?
Oh, the Muslims need to go home because they're raping our daughters. To show leniency to the Muslims is to hate our own children.
@Skriptkeeper17 - SkriptkeeperElect
Confirmation I've been following and listening to this ex navy seal for a long time. https://t.co/Cwy5h7J5n9
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The meeting begins with Speaker 0 welcoming engineers and first responders and expressing hope they will help the people affected by a complex rescue situation. They reference having arrived at the scene and discuss that it looks “very complicated.”
Speaker 1 provides factual background about the collapse of the 12-story Champlain Tower South building in Surfside just before 01:30 in the morning on 06/24/2021, noting that ninety eight people died. Speaker 1 says the investigation used aerial photographs, building maintenance records, eyewitness reports, and studies of what was discovered below the ground.
Speaker 0 then asks how a café in Beach, Miami relates to the Surfside condo, stating that John McAfee’s residence was at the Surfside condo. Speaker 0 claims that John McAfee was found dead in his prison cell the same day he learned he was being extradited back to the US to stand trial, and that three hours later, at 01:30 in the morning on 06/25/2021, the Surfside condo—described as containing information from McAfee’s residence—was demolished. Speaker 0 says the IDF was sent from Israel to investigate the Surfside condo and asks why the investigation would be conducted “other than to report back that all of the evidence was destroyed.”
Speaker 0 recounts traveling to Miami “all the time,” and on one occasion bringing “two hard drives and 20 g’s cash” in a Manila envelope. Speaker 0 says the day after this, in an SUV with bodyguards, John McAfee placed his hand on Speaker 0’s lap, looked him in the eyes, and said that if he died or was found dead for any reason whatsoever, he did not kill himself. Speaker 0 claims McAfee said that if that happened, the two gentlemen who received the cash and the two hard drives were supposed to release information, described as a “dead man switch,” otherwise the information would not be released.
Speaker 0 then questions why the two hard drives or the information were not released after the condo was demolished, claiming the condo’s destruction occurred mysteriously and asserting that everyone connected to h I l a r and their “cronies” dies. Speaker 0 concludes by saying that if something happens to them or their account, they may return to mercenary work because it would be “a lot safer,” and ends by stating “Way more to come.”
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Speaker 0: Hi. We have just arrived. We So did you get to this meeting? And we we are about to to to start the we'll do our best. We brought out our best people here.
Engineers, first responders, such a rescue population behavior, and I hope that we will succeed to help your people. Did you see the scene? Yeah. And what does it look like? I mean, clearly, know what it looks like.
Very complicated.
Speaker 1: Aerial photographs, building maintenance records, eyewitness reports, and studies of what was discovered below the ground. Collapse of the 12 story Champlain Tower South building in Surfside just before 01:30 in the morning on 06/24/2021. Ninety eight people died.
Speaker 0: How does this cafe in Beach, Miami have anything to do with the Surfside condo? Well, John McAfee's residence was at the Surfside condo. It just so happens that John McAfee was found Epstein in his prison cell the very day, the moment he found out that he was being extradited back to The US to stand trial with me. And it just so happens three hours later at 01:30 in the morning on 06/25/2021, the Surfside condo, which McAfee's residence was in, which likely had a bunch of info in it, was demolished. They send the IDF all the way from Israel.
You saw right there to investigate the Surfside condo. Why? Told you I was gonna do my very best to honor John Mackey's name after he literally got whacked on his arms saying that under no circumstance would he ever unalive himself. We traveled to Miami all the time, but one specific time was with the two hard drives and 20 g's cash in a Manila envelope. Directly after doing this, we got in the SUV with all the bodyguards.
He put his hand on my lap, looked me straight in the eyes, and said, son, if I die, if they find me dead for any reason whatsoever, I did not kill myself. And if that happens, these two gentlemen that we handed the cash to or the two hard drives were supposed to release all this information, otherwise known as the dead man switch. Why would these two guys that we gave these hard drives to release the information after seeing the condo mysteriously get destroyed? John McAfee hung in his prison cell and everyone connected to h I l a r and all of our cronies dies. I don't honestly know why the IDF would come and investigate this other than to report back that all of the evidence was destroyed.
Something happens to me or my account, guys, I'm probably gonna just go back to mercenary work because it's a lot safer. Appreciate your love and your follow. Way more to come.
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Alex Jones Full Interview w/ Handsome Truth. https://t.co/ppHmtyefxp
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The conversation centers on “free speech” activism in Florida and its connection to proposed Florida hate-speech laws, with the host claiming Israel-linked political pressure helped motivate legislation like HB 269. The host argues that some street activists—citing figures such as “Chud the Builder” and “Handsome Truth (HT)”—are taking rhetoric to extremes (including shouting slurs at Black people), which the host says risks violence and harms the ability to win support.
The host presents an excerpt of HT confronting people in public, including shouting antisemitic insults and accusations and telling those targeted to leave, alongside claims that opponents are trying to silence him. HT responds that he believes Jewish people are inherently an enemy and argues that free speech absolutism means he has the right to say what he is saying. The host differentiates between refusing to censor and believing the approach adds to a toxic environment and turns people off. HT claims he is focused on opposing foreign domination and policy-driven loss of sovereignty, not on supporting violence.
HT describes his “wake up” process as starting from the host’s content and then moving toward ideas about “globalists,” “Illuminati,” and “Bilderberg,” culminating in his belief that “it’s the Jews.” He argues that Jewish groups allegedly exert control through lobbying, censorship, and influence operations, and he claims Israel is trying to take over parts of U.S. power structures, including the Pentagon and Congress. He frames this as part of a larger “clash” and “globalist” plan, and he asserts that opposition will be blamed on tactics used to discredit dissent.
The host argues against both extremes: he says the correct goal is pushing back without dehumanizing stereotypes, and he claims that constant blame narratives lead to escalation, retaliation, and more hate. He asks whether HT’s approach is productive and how it leads to a future outcome. HT says the movement should stop “backpedaling,” become “American,” organize, and prepare to defend themselves under the Second Amendment, emphasizing that people should take responsibility rather than hope for a savior.
A major point of disagreement is strategy and focus. HT insists he does not care primarily about Israel or Palestinians, and says he focuses on “white people” being replaced and on what he portrays as global threats to white survival. He says he is “done blaming” different groups and instead frames the core issue as a “thinking problem,” loss of “tribalism,” and cultural weakness. He argues that opposing foreign influence is the priority, but that activism must also address what he describes as violence and injustice against his chosen in-group.
The host asks HT for context about specific tactics in a Tennessee-related context, where HT references a law proposal that would impose extreme punishment for pedophilia and he ties it to accusations about “oral circumcision.” HT says that based on his view, pedophiles are in synagogues, and he says these issues are used to provoke people and to direct attention.
The host also challenges HT’s reputation: he says HT and others have been cited by Israel-related groups while they pass anti-First-Amendment laws, and he asks how HT ended up targeted and labeled. HT says he has been jailed multiple times for freedom-of-speech-related issues and claims he has not incited violence. The host discusses concerns about “Feds” infiltrating or steering movements, referencing examples such as January 6 rhetoric and accusations about individuals who may influence crowds.
HT repeatedly argues that censorship and repression are increasing, that campaigns will be used to discredit opposition, and that Israel-linked and globalist-backed power structures create “guilt complex” and hate-speech restrictions. The conversation ends with HT reiterating his belief that the struggle involves both political power and personal self-defense and organization, while maintaining that he opposes violence and focuses on rights-based mobilization.
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Israel to stop him from doing activism in Florida and pass hate speech laws in Florida under HB 269. I remember them crediting him for one of the reasons they did that. Talk about Strizan effect. Handsome underscore some underscore truth going on. TV dot ST. Now, I wanted to get him on because I, I'm seeing more and more of this. You had The Builder guy, Chud the Builder, and then you got people like him and, and a bunch of others. That they have the right to go out and do what they do. But I don't think you win friends and influence people just running up and down the street screaming n-word at random black people till somebody gets mad. And I, and I said about Chad the builder, I said, "Not long till he gets shot or gets killed or gets put in prison, which I don't want to happen." And by the way, he's been on Harrison's show, we were gonna have him on the day he got arrested. Reportedly some guy attacked him and then he shot him, and, and obviously he's And I understand why people are sick of being pushed around, being told we're the devil and all this other crap. So it's good to stand up for yourself and, and not let the political correctness control you and not be cucked. But being cucked over on one end, I think we should be in more in the middle. You got people like Handsome Truth over here that, that I think are on the other extreme, you know, like the Blood Tribe people, you know, just running around. I mean, it, it, it-- and I'm not saying that Handsome Truth is a 'Cause there's enough pissed off people out there that don't all feds, but look at the Southern Poverty Law Center, I told you forever that was, you know, really running most of the white supremacist groups, the ADL. So when you see this kind of classic rhetoric, at least in the past, it was meant to make other people just standing up for their own sovereignty or who don't want Israel openly running our country, calling us Nazis. So there's a lot of these videos, we bleep this one's on radio stations, but, you know, here he is with And I guess these guys they're talking to in the street are like Jewish, and, and they're just screaming at 'em and saying, "You're a Jew, I won't talk to you. I don't care what you say." And, and my thing is, I, I guess he is of the belief, and we'll let him talk in a minute, we'll go to the next hour, we're starting to him late, that they literally all are inherently bad. Well, just 'cause Netanyahu and the Knesset are doing bad things, there's just a bunch of opposition in Israel You know, Zionist guy or, or, or, or debate some more mainline, you know, there's so many anti-war Jews, don't even think Israel should exist. I just think it's-- I just think it's dangerous because the left goes around teaching we're bad 'cause we're white or Christians are inherently bad. And I get it, and white people are like, "Well, we'll just say you're all bad back at you." I don't agree with what the left's doing and Black Lives Matter, and so I just think acting like them isn't the way to go. Now I'm gonna give you the floor in a moment 'cause I've been talking, and you can explain yourself but I legitimately don't think that this, you have every right to do it. I'm not censoring. I'm, I'm just thinking I don't think it's healthy. but I, I know what your argument'll be, you know, we need to stop surrendering and just not care so other people see something I'm guessing this is what you're trying to do, if you're being logical, it's only logic I can see in it, so you move the overture window so far that it kinda breaks the spell. I see you nodding, okay. I, I didn't ever hear you say that, but I, that's the only logic I can see in it. I'm not, I think, I just, there's too many dumb people, I don't think it's gonna work. But, but we'll, you'll have the floor. Here's, here's an excerpt of Hey, this guy's Jewish. What's up, man? What's your thoughts about Jews sucking baby feet? Hey, how about- Oh, yeah, Jew? Excuse me? I said, "Oh, yeah, you cross-eyed Jew?" Whether I'm a Jew or not, you are Jewish. You are Jewish. You are disgustingly Jewish. You're so Jewish and disgusting-looking. You're so Jewish. You're so Jewish. What's your thoughts about your Jewsucking baby feet? So I actually- Oh, yeah? Take care of people. Okay. What are you doing? I'm standing up for white people. The, the same people, your people are turning around and replacing that. You're not white, you're not white, you're not white, you're Jewish, you're Jewish, scum. You got Israel, go to Israel, go to Israel, go to Israel. You're a cross-eyed Jew. Look at this dysgenic Jew. You're, look at how dysgenic he is. Look at his cross eyes. Actually, you should, you should, you should, you should, you should, you should, you should, you should, you should, Is your boyfriend from Grindr? What's your point? Two gay Jews here have arrived. Why don't you leave our country, Jew? Your country? Yes, right. We built this country. Europeans, not you filthy Jews. Why didn't Henry- Why didn't Henry Ford write a book called, you know who Henry Ford is, right? Henry Ford, Model T. Familiar? Nazi. Oh, Nazi. The Ford, the inventor of the Ford, is a Nazi. Okay. Why didn't he write a book called The International Jew warning us about your scummy people? I don't know I don't debate with scummy Jews. What are you, creepy Jew getting all sweaty? Filthy sweaty Jew. Smell like penis blood, that's what you smell like. So sick to see you in there. Disgusting. Shut up Jew, you scumbag, your Holocaust is fake, piece of Jew, your Holocaust is fake, scumbag Jew. Yeah, your fake Holocaust. Your, your, your fake Holocaust. Why is it illegal to question me in 18 countries? Why is it a question, you filthy Jew? You started the engagement, you retards. You too, scumbag. Yeah, shut up Jew. Yeah, my question is, when are you going home? My question is, shut up Jew. Alright, HT is what he goes by. So tell us what the hell you're doing. And then, this is a thing I'm seeing from, from a bunch of people online. And, and I'm glad there's free speech, but I think there's gonna be attacks on synagogues, whether they're staged or real. I think this is gonna, this is gonna trigger a bunch of censorship, and, and which I don't for. And then you got Israel openly trying to take over the Pentagon right now in response to this, in, in general, saying, "Oh, And, and, and, and so I see a major collision coming out of this. It's not gonna be healthy for anybody, but I'll stop rant-- I'll stop ranting. In your own words, how is-- how, how do you think this is productive? Well, can I just say thank you so much for having me on. Like, I'm, I was a huge fan. You like helped wake me up, believe it or not. Like, you kind of radicalized me, believe it or not. My mom, when I, when I told her about, like, my waking up process, I was like, "You know, Mom, it's the Globalists, it's the Illuminati, it's Bilderberg," and my mom looked me right in the eyes and she said, "John, it's the Jews." She just told me straight up, it's the Jews. And eventually, you know, I kind of got to that, like after, you know, watching you for a couple years, I, I was kind of like looking into this the whole Jewish problem. And yeah, just, just finding out, like Donald Trump after he bombed Syria, I was like calling out Donald Trump and all of his donors, and I couldn't believe that, like- You know, guys like you who I looked up to couldn't see through this, and I was kind of bummed out 'cause I was like, "Dude, Alex Jones, we gotta name the Jew." And, you know, I think now you kinda see like where the Jews are at. I mean, obviously, if you look at history, they've been expelled from 109 nations over a thousand thirty times, and I'm using, I guess, strong language while they're currently trying to genocide the European race, and they're bombing Palestinians, hospitals, children, et cetera, and people are worried about my words being offensive. So I wanna ask you, are you a free speech absolutist? I think that's clear, of course. Okay, so what would you think that's wrong with me, you know, stating that the Jewish people are an enemy the Trojan horse of America? Well, that's a standard thing you just did, and I, I don't know if you're conscious of it, but you seem like a, somewhat of a smart guy. I even said it before you, before I went to you. I said, "You have a right to say what you're saying. My saying that I think it will add to a toxic environment, and in the end Turn a lot of people off, was not censoring you. So, so, so disagreeing with how you're doing something isn't meaning that I'm not a free speech absolutist. It's two completely separate things. Yeah, I guess my issue is that, like, you know, I like some of your stuff, you know, you do the whole like Americana stuff, and my, my problem with that is that if you go back and we look at the 1790 Naturalization Act, the forefathers had a plan for what it is to be an American, and that's Northwestern European. And, you know, I know that you're a Christian, and you kinda push these Judeo-Christian values where we should have, you know, people as long as they- You know, fit our culture, they speak our language, that they're fine, but the forefathers who built this country, wrote the Bill of Rights, et cetera, stated that this country's supposed to be for Europeans and Europeans only. Well, what's happened is clearly the, the left has got-- has, is doing racial politics and brainwashing all these other groups to be anti-white, and so the stuff they say, in general, the quote minority leaders that are really the majority, is beyond Hitler. So I'm not agreeing with what they're saying and doing, and I'm not really saying Judeo-Christian values. I mean, obviously the Abrahamic religions come out of Abraham, so there is that Judeo thing, but the Old and New Testament are two separate deals. When I was exposing Bilderberg Group, they were setting policy in there. When I expose COG or a piece of legislation, I'm specifically showing people where we're losing sovereignty to special interest groups. And so when Israel is involved with their special interests trying to take over, I expose that specifically, but I do it on policy because I want a big tent for everybody to be able to just say, "Hey, we oppose having any foreign government run our country." And then if I don't say "Halle Hitler" on top of it, then it's a big tent and I can tend to get what I need to get done, done, because I'm not putting it in Hugo Boss uniform. Plus, I, I don't like Nazis, you know, historically, what I thought the To kick the Jews out and only let 'em go to Palestine and rob the Jews and steal their money. I mean, I, that's one of the reasons I don't like Hitler, was he, he made a deal with the Zionists. So, so it, it, it's more sophisticated than that. I was trying to convince people that, that there was even a shadow government and a globalist system and getting people to awaken to all of that but it is true that I see Israel and its lobby really trying to take over the power vacuum right now and really follow every classical- Stereotype and, you know, thing about Zog and everything. So, I mean, that's clearly there, but at the same time, people that only care about Israel don't-- they like Islam, they think they're allied with it, you know? And, and, and so I see different power groups, and I oppose all these different predatory power groups, whether it's the Israel cult or whether it's the communist Chinese What whether it's big tech, and I know it's all interchangeable, and you've got a lot of those powerful Jews at, you know, the top of, of those other systems but, you know, it's, it's kind of like Israel creating Hamas and funding it. They didn't really run it, but they needed it. And so I'm saying, I, I don't think our movement against foreign domination You, you're not run by Israel, I don't think, but at the end of the day, and I know they're trying to censor you, you could become kind of the Hamas thing that they use to make opposition look bad. That, that I'm not saying that's what you're doing, I'm saying that's an angle of this. No, you gotta get back to the basics. Our country was founded by white nationalists that wanted to keep America white. I don't care about what's going on in Israel, I don't care about Palestinians, I care about my people that are being replaced, that are a seven percent minority globally. That's all I care about. I don't care about Israel, I care about America being hijacked, America being flooded by third worlders are women and children being raped the two tier justice system, and I'm, I, you know what I am? I am fed up. That white people don't have a backbone, and that we are too, you know, confused by this morality disorder to where morality is now turned into a cancer, and we're, we're more concerned about protecting Jews, non-whites than our own children. That's the problem. It's our people that have a thinking problem. I'm done blaming Jews, I'm done blaming blacks, Mexicans. It's our thinking problem that got us here, and we lost our tribalism. The Jews are the most successful race right now because of their tribalism, and it's backed up with religion, and it's-- and it's, we've done the heavy lifting by Like, you know, elevating their fairy tale story of being God's chosen and that, like, a Jew died for our sins. So I'm just sick of the morality. This is a war that's being waged on white people globally, and it's gotta end. And the, the rhetoric can't be "pray for your enemies, turn the other cheek." It needs to be 1776, like you always talk about, 'cause our Second Amendment is for a tyrannical government, and I don't know how much further you need to see this thing go before you go, "It Follow what our forefathers told us to do. Sure, well, and let's get into that next hour, son, but okay, before you go to break here in a few minutes, what is this, what is this specific tactic say in that video? Where were you? What is the point of not talking to those guys? What is the point of just, just saying it to them? 'Cause I, I would try to talk to those guys. Well, n- I guess there was an act being passed in Tennessee that everyone wants to leave out, where they're gonna make pedophilia punishable by death. Well, if these Jews are sucking baby penises, it's called oral circumcision, you can find these on gtvflowers dot com, would you agree that that's an act of pedophilia? Yes. Okay, well then that's punishable by death. That's what they-- And I was saying, well, if you wanna find the pedophiles, they're in the synagogues. And then, who were these guys you were, you were yelling at? Well, they're, they're Jews and Jewish lawyers, and, you know, you've been su- you're getting sued, you lost everything because of the SPLC and Sandy Hook knows, and Sandy Hook knows is what woke me up to a lot of this stuff, the psyops, the Smith-Mundact, our government being able to pull psyops on us, you know, these school shootings, and I agree with you a hundred percent. They will weaponize Abrahamicism, they will stage false flag shootings at churches, synagogues, mosques, et cetera, and we will Their resolution, and here we go again. So I, I agree with you a hundred percent on, on how they're gonna use false flag attacks, but I don't think they're gonna be legit. And guys like me, I don't promote, I don't promote violence. I promote exercising our, you know, use your rights before you lose your rights. And I promote sobriety. I got ten years clean and sober. I spend my weekends trying to get white people off drugs and alcohol. So, yeah, I hear the commercial break, but- We'll get, we'll get back to it. Yeah, but well, and, and see, I just wanted context, 'cause I mean, I'm sure you put on a longer clip, I missed it. I just see in the middle of the park, you know, yelling, "Jujuju," to people, some- We come back with some of the background there. What was happening in Tennessee and some of the other things you've done on the other side? Stay with us. Your arm been hacked off by a homeless person with a samurai sword? Try Schilligat G A guy in Venice Beach just got his arm nearly hacked off by some tweaker with a samurai sword, and as of 4:15, he is still on the loose. And seemingly, the reaction from our local government is basically like, "Oh, like- These things just happen, like this is what we're, this is our new normal. That, dude. 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And he got caught up by the break, he was trying to get into a point about what he was doing in Tennessee and, and, and, and who these people were that he was saying these things to, and, and, and why he wouldn't even let them respond back. I, I would love to hear what they actually had to say, and I guess at the end of the day When Israel itself's openly trying to take over the Pentagon, the military, and controlling Congress, and it's just out in the open, I, I oppose it, and it's wrong, and it's a foreign government, and it's, and, and it's, and it's, and it's interest in some people that are have dual allegiances that I think is totally wrong and incompatible with a free country basically trying to take over, then I oppose them, but I don't do it from a level of sinking down to the stereotype that they've tried to create for me. But At the same time, you accuse people of being this, this horrible villain long enough and try to destroy them, they'll just say, "Fine, I am the villain, but actually, you're the villain." So, so they've conjured this. I think here's my question. Then say whatever you want. I don't want my questions to control where you go. Where do you see this going? Because if, if I wore a Hitler uniform and said "Holle Hitler" a hundred times an hour, I would have more listeners and viewers. I, I don't criticize Israel. You know, to, to do it, to be popular, I, I don't then, then not say destroy Israel 'cause I wanna be popular. I really try to be measured and, and, and you know, really try to build a civilization and have a way out of this. And I think meeting the cultural attack at the level it's presented is actually what evil forces want. I'm not judging you, well, go ahead and respond. Obviously, on the- What's the question? Yeah, we got a break coming up, some stations don't carry this. The, the question is, what-- This is obviously only making the world hate, hate Israel even more so, and they know what they're doing, and they're not stupid, so do you think they bet on more than they can chew? Is it Hutzpa, or are they got a larger plan? Well, it's Hutzpa, and they have a larger plan. Like I was saying in that clip, Henry Ford, it's not called the Zionist Jew, it So are we worrying about Israel, or are we worrying about, like, I guess all of our cousins that are in Europe that are currently being silenced and have hate speech laws, and all of their, their countries being flooded with the third world? Which is, you know, generally done with Jewish NGOs with the help of Catholic NGOs being their Shabbos goy. I, I only care about my people, I don't care about Israel. I, I, I'm more focused on the fight here on American soil, and it's like, look over here, goy, look at Israel. Well, you know, your country, your Federal Reserve is, is Jewish, being-- it's printing out the money. We have, you know, Jewish special interest groups like the ADL that was funded Funded by Jewish gangsters like Meyer Lansky to silence white people and not allow us to collectivize. So I'm more concerned about, and stop being afraid of these, these people. It's like, it's like Wizard of Oz. It's like you got a little Jew behind the curtain that's like, you know, telling you, you know, it's like- hey, Goy you can't say this, and it's like, we have the power, this is our country, and white people need to wake up and take a stand, otherwise, we are going to be replaced, and we will be forgotten, and we will be Amalek. They will blot us out of existence, and their prophecies of, you know, the Jews taking over the world won't, won't take place. Alright, back in sixteen, I'm gonna give you the floor, 'cause it was a short segment. Yeah? I know you say you don't care about the Jews and what they're thinking, I think it's important to at least the, you know, the ADL type folks, wh-what are they thinking? What is their plan? I think it's important to know where they wanna go and where they think this is headed. because I think it's headed for total destruction for everybody. We'll be right back in six seconds. I'll start with sexual Tyrannosaurus Rex. This is Rocket Fuel. This is incredible. This is rocket fuel. Because I'm a sexual Tyrannosaurus Rex, Rex, Rex, Rex. This is a cocktail I drink every day. A squirt of ultramarine blue and T3. You are insane if you don't get it. Insane if you don't get it, okay? Listen, listen, listen, listen. Listen, listen, listen. You are insane if you don't get it. Insane if you don't get it. I am a wrecking ball. I am obsessed with this. I can't stop. Stop, stop, stop. And now I'm having this. And now I'm having this. 'Cause I'm a sexual Tyrannosaurus. Correct, correct, correct, correct. This is the truth. 'Cause I'm a sexual Tyrannosaurus. Correct, correct, correct, correct. You understand that? Does that burn into your brain, brain, brain? I think I'm gonna buy some methylene blue now. GalaxyShore.com From the front lines of the information war, it's Alex Jones. Alright, John Binandi is our guest. He heads up one of the popular and also very let's just say sharp-edged Media activist groups, and he's been cited by the Israel lobby while they wanna ban the First Amendment here in the US, they pass some very dangerous laws, places like Florida that aren't anti-free speech, and I don't care if it's the left or the right, I don't care where it comes from, it needs to be stopped. But there's no doubt that the guilt complex spell has been broken. And people, most people now are sick of being called racist 'cause they're white, they're sick of being called anti-Semitic 'cause they don't want Israel running our affairs, they're, they're sick of it. And it's really hurt Trump in the polls when he's like, "Yeah, if you wanna look at the Epstein stuff, you're not MAGA," or "Look, Mark Levin is who I get my, you know, my, my ideas from. Listen to Mark Levin if you wanna know what I'm thinking." And it's just absolutely insane with Mark Levin wearing a giant woman I'm very upset with what's going on in Israel and then, and then I was raising to you, w-w-what, Israel thinking a few steps ahead, being the most unpopular in Gallup. I saw the World Jewish Conference meeting two weeks ago And you have the head of it saying, "We spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to stop, you know, the criticism, and it's only made it worse, so we're gonna spend more." And then they have this other CEO that's, that's a gentile, and he goes, "I'm glad to be a goy, and I work for the Jews." And then you've got, you know, the head of Meda censorship saying, "We've put Jews in over all the censorship, but if you say we censor you, we'll censor you," and, and it's And, and so I, I really don't think that the majority of Jews are, you know, consciously involved in this, just like the ones that the Zionists wouldn't let get out of Germany and had, unless they paid them a bunch of money, that part of it went to the Nazis. And I, and I really see them setting up this whole clash of civilizations, World War II, two point o, not so much the same nations, but the same type of ideology. I'm just sick of it. So I was trying to defuse the situation the whole time. but it's gone on so long and it's so out of control, you know, again, I'm one of the main targets of the Israeli propaganda group, their Eight Front War, their five four five group so Tucker Carlson and others, and it's because we have measured responses that are, no one can disagree with, that, that has any logic. Why are you trying to defuse this? Why, why don't, why don't we, why are we always backpedaling? Okay, have you- This is a war. Okay. Well, explain to me your strategy. Okay, where does this lead then? Go ahead. What are we doing this war for? Well, obviously there's a war on white people, would you agree? Yes. Okay, so what do we do? We, we warn people it's happening, we stand up for ourselves, and we, and we organize. Okay. And do we follow the Second Amendment or not? Well, I mean, if somebody off, offensively tries to shoot you, you need to defend yourself. Are they tyrannical or not? How much further does it need to go? Well, go, go ahead and tell us what your plan is. I mean, I mean, you're here talking to folks, just... I'd like to know what your plan is. Yeah, my plan is, is to stop backpedaling, start being an American, stand up for your people, and stop like morale-- stop praying or wishing or, you know, hoping that we're gonna have a savior. You know, you need to become the hero. You need to take responsibility. It's your children that are gonna suffer. Right? I mean, how many Julian Woods do we need to see? Was that even-- the, the media doesn't even cover this. We got two-year-old white kids being stabbed in parking lots, and then we got CRS, okay, funded by the DOJ, that come in there and do racial relations and don't allow white people to speak up. And they, they, they host a parade for a two-year-old getting stabbed to death in a parking lot, and then they let this, this crazy she-bun off and say she can't stand trial. The same thing's gonna happen with Metcalf, that, that, the trial's, you know, starting to take place today, they're doing jury selection. This, this murder that just took place in the UK, how many rapes are happening in Britain right now? Like, when, when is enough? When is enough of our people getting raped and killed and, and to, We, we care only about our European brothers and sisters. We care about Australia. We care about every white place that's being invaded by the third world right now. Well, definitely I'm opposing the globalist third world invasion of the West, but at the same time, I don't want Bill Gates running around injecting Africans. with sterilins and with, and with mutagenic things. My point is there's, there's, there's other big pieces on the board here, but there's no doubt I don't want Christians, I don't want Christians funding trillions of dollars for Africans that allow them to go and then go in invade Europe and then rape white women. So I don't care about black people. Your morality is what's setting you back, that's the problem. You just said, "Oh, I don't want Bill Gates to, you know, make mosquito nets." listen I don't care about Africans, I don't care about Jews who fight. Here, here's what I'm telling you, here's what I'm telling you HT. Is that new nickname, Hitler time now. it's Hitler time with HT. Do you understand they're releasing the mosquitoes, the thirty-two million, Google is, Sergey Brin and, and Larry Page? Juice, juice. I knew that was what you meant. Yes, I know. I knew what you'd say when I said that, but I was just listing who was there. You can do the rest yourself. And I didn't know you'd say that. And gosh, don't let the cat out of the bag. And that's gonna attack everybody, but when I'm in the store and I see little black kids or whatever, I don't think that's the enemy you know, 'cause, 'cause they're, they've had their families broken up and brainwashed by the left on purpose and then filled with anti-white hatred. I know who broke up their families, created illegitimacy, then brainwashed them to hate me. And I'm just- We freed, we freed them, we freed them, dude. We freed them. If you were enslaved in Africa as a white guy and you Or would you stay in Africa? Well, it is true that it was England and, and the abolitionists that ended slavery around the world. Yeah, we ended it. And then the Abolitionists are still participating in it. They're still enslaving their people and crying about slavery while Africans are still enslaving Africans. Who cares? Sure. What, what I'm saying is, you're like Second Amendment how, how is that a plan? I'm saying, yes, to defend yourself, whatever. What are you saying they should do in the UK under that insane tyranny of the Islamic I mean, I think what they're doing is, is, is awakening, taking back control. and I think if they were pre-precipitous and did an armed uprising, there's a very good chance it would trigger an even bigger crackdown from which they might not recover. But at the same time, sometimes that's just the way things go, and, and, and, and it could also, like dominoes, fall across the planet and, and reverse a lot of this tyranny. My point about Israel was, now being seen as the group running this, which they always fought to say wasn't the case, now they say we do run everything, and you better shut up, and you better not say it. I mean, I can play the clips again, it's insane. They have to know what they're doing, so I'm asking you, you're saying you think Israel runs everything, I think it's certainly trying to, it certainly runs a lot. What do you think they're thinking? I know you don't, I don't care about that. Well, in any war Oh, well, listen, I'm just the guy with the balls that's willing to say, "Hey, it's the Jews, and hey, we have a responsibility to protect our race." I'm not Hitler two point o, but you know, if we didn't have a bunch of people worshiping the king of the Jews and we weren't under this fairytale Jewish spell, maybe we would be more concerned about our relatives in Europe and protecting them instead of fighting, you know, fairytale desert religions for Jewish people that we view as God's chosen. How about More logical. Looking at it from a Judeo-Christian, Jews are God's chosen aspect lens, or, hey, you know, we've got white people that we should protect, and maybe we should stop fighting wars in the Middle East for the God's chosen. Let me ask you this, you think Christianity is a Jewish, Jewish Trojan horse fabrication? And you know it is. And you know it is. It's Second Temple Judaism. So do you- It was it was a hundred years, it was practiced by Jewish people and then given to Gentiles. You know that. Do you believe in God? Yes, I do. What, what God do you follow? I'm like our, our forefathers of this, this country. I'm I'm a deist. I believe that there's a creator. And I'm like Thomas Paine, who spoke out against Christianity and delivered pamphlets. To wake up people with common sense, and I'm all about common sense, not Jewish fairy tales. Our race is being replaced. I don't care about Jewish people, I don't care about a stupid Jewish messiah, I care about white people surviving. The fourteen words, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children," is that, is that evil? Is that demonic? Is that satanic? I mean, certainly you've got Christian Zionism that's been, you know, produced as, as a Mind control effect, but I mean, to sit there and say that, you, I mean let's say most of Jews haven't been too receptive to Christianity and Jesus Christ, and, you know, to, to, that was a joke when they said, "Crown him king of the Jews." It was the Jews that told Pontius Pilate, "Give us Barabbas." So, I mean, you, you don't, you don't wanna do this with me, Jones. I'm gonna have you read John four twenty-two. What does Jesus say our salvation comes from? you Samaritans worship what you don't know, we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. So how are we gonna get white people on board with standing up for themselves when their Jewish rabbi, Jesus, tells them, tells us white people that our salvation comes from Jews? Well, he said he came to fulfill the Old Testament. Yes. The law. But, but he was saying that was the real thing, which, which, which the newer Jewish groups were actually violating against. So he went in the temple and beat him with a whip. So, so you're, you're, you're, you're, you're missing the whole point here. Yeah, I think that, I think you're missing the whole point. Why did Herod, why did Herod cut John the Baptist's head off? there's my issue, Jones. I don't wanna get too far into it, but there's not one contemporary to vouch for Jesus Christ, not a Jew, not a, not a Roman, not a Greek, nobody can, can give me a contemporary source for Jesus Christ's existence, just period. Yeah listen to audiobook, nail it, read it, whatever you wanna do, Jesus Christ from Outer Space, Adam Green's book. You know, it's just, it's, it's a fairy tale. We need to stop believing in fairy tales. We need to get Yeah, existed. Well, where, where's that from? There's, there's people that, that were there where George Washington existed. So let's not, let's not go down that road. Let's try to stick with freedom of speech. you know, yeah, well, let's talk about, let's talk about what these different interests, 'cause I have, you're not just making the claim, I've seen them cite you when they're passing anti-free speech laws. How, how did you get on these guys' radar? How are you being censored? I know it's been done quite a bit. And what's your take on Chad the Builder and where all this is going? Well, I've been jailed three times for freedom of speech. I've been called a Fed by every conservative, and I think you kinda labeled me a Fed too. I was kinda bummed out. But like, if I was at January 6, Alex, and I said, "Break down the barriers, disregard the police, this capital belongs to us," would you think that that was Fed-like behavior if I you know, and told my people to go kinda incite a riot? My point is, is I didn't say you were a Fed, I said people are gonna ask that question. Right, but would, would you think that that would, that would be like Fed-like rhetoric if I were to say that? Yeah, you'd have to look at the context, but I think some of the, like Ray Epps, who we know was connected to it for days doing it and saying it, some people got swept up. And you were like, "Oh, the Capitol's open, it's ours," and, and I was like, "Yeah, but did the people break in?" They're like, "We don't know, but we're going in." But I heard, I heard people, there's normal people saying that, so because pe- people didn't- But if I had a group of people, if I had a group of people and I told them to break down the barriers, disregard the police, and rush the Capitol, would you accuse me of being a federal agent for saying something like that? And I Okay, Nick Fuentes said that. No, I know that's what you were talking about, and I've, and I've brought that up to him, and he's given his description that he's down the block from, and here's everybody's going in. He was caught up in the moment. And I've, I've been jailed for saying the word retard. I've been jailed thirty days in jail for attempted littering. Okay. And I've never incited anything to do any, anything violent or disregard the law. Yeah, but, but, but, but listen, I don't mince words. If I, if I thought you were a fag, I'd say you were a fag. You know, Nick, Nick Fuentes, some people come try to kill him in his house. I'm, I'm, I'm not, it's not my job to defend that, but I disagree with some things he does. So, you know, that's just what everybody. I disagree with some things I say We know that the Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL are funding a lot of the white supremacist groups. I said that decades ago. And they're suing me. They're-- I got two lawsuits right now. Well, let's get into that in a minute. And I knew that, but let me bring this up. They're all get Nick, get Alex Jones, and all these documents, all the Israeli documents that have come out, they're trying to destroy us. I mean, I can assure you, I get accused of working for Israel all the time. That's just bullcrap. I just didn't wanna make it all about Israel. I just wanted to oppose bad globalist policies. And they'd go, "You mean Jews when you say that?" And I'm like, "Well, I just mean globalism, and that's what you call yourselves globalists. That's their system." And so I'm just opposing it. No. Yeah. No, no, come on, man. Henry Ford, patriot, yes or no? Henry Ford was very And I have and I have read his excuse me? I said, "Be careful, we're talking about Henry Ford here. I don't want to say anything negative. I mean, he's a good man, he's a patriot, he's the real-- " And he didn't call it, he didn't call it the globalists, Alex, he called them the international Jews. And that's what, that's what I'm like, "Why, why aren't you just being direct and saying it's international Jews? " You're on the show saying all of this I know, but you have the influence to get people to get patriotic. Yeah, dude, you have the influence. Listen, I see, you are the resistance. I see the, I, I, I see the people that have their orthodoxy about Jews always trying to stay on each other to be the more hardcore and, you know, more radical and, and, and more all this and on all the nomenclature, and they'll just like post You know, I'm there. Jones has never covered the USS Liberty. Jones has never talked about Israel and 9/11. I was like, I was just the first that day and the day after, and all, you know, and, and made- So it's like, they just, it's lies. I talk about globalism because globalism is the global government system. The globalists since the '70s have said, "We're globalist. We're establishing a globalist system." And so when we look at- Globalism doesn't mean international, where you can go different countries and, you know, countries work together and stuff. I'm all for open society like that, if it's true between the nations. Not Soros's fake open society. So when I talk about globalist, I was trying to give people the name of the global corporate elite, WEF, UN, world government, Rockefeller, Rothschild combine program. So I'm like academically Listing the thing, it, it, it wasn't some cover-up or a code word for Jews. You can then go look at a lot of the top globalists happen to be Jews and make your own thing from that. So, I, I'm, I'm, here's an example. I love Micro FM, but, you know, now they've covered up the spectrum so it's not as big as it used to be, but we used to be on, people would put hundreds and sometimes thousands of 'em around the country, and then maybe one watt, two watt, put a hundred watt amplifier And I would call it, now folks, if you wanna learn more about pirate radio and how to do it right, go to this website. That's where you learn about MicroFM. And the the Micro broadcaster community didn't like me being called pirates, so they get mad at me, and I'd say, okay, I'm gonna plug your thing, just, they weren't sponsors, just be nice, guys, you know, selling transmitters at cost. I said, I'm gonna plug your thing today as Micro FM, go to this address, you can, you know, pay twenty dollars to get a, you know, tenth of a watt transmitter, and you can also buy, you know, a So it's the same thing. I'm actually giving-- it, it's like you can't go to Library of Congress and find out about chemtrailing 'cause they don't call it that. You've got to call it geoengineering. Geoengineering. So- Yeah, you helped wake me up to that. But what I'm saying is, globalism is the new world order's name. It's in the documents. You can navigate that. It's, understand what I'm saying? So you, I mean kinda. You just think like using the word globalism is like if we just say juju juju, juju I was waiting for that, bro. Oh my God. Nailed it. Let's go to the avocado. Do, do, We're all doomed. Oh my god. Oh, wait, wait, wait, dude, I got this great idea. Check out this idea. You know how Discovery Channel does Shark Week? Yeah. Jew Week. Okay. No, Fed Week. All right. Fed Week, you bring on, this, this is who you bring on, you bring on Rob Runo, Thomas Sewell, Thomas Russo, Jacob Arson, Joel Davis, Blair Cortell, Arvoll from Return to Land, and it would be the biggest thing on the internet, Alex. You can thank me later. You can send me some Vitality after I gave you this idea. What do you think? Fed Week, it would go nuts. Say it again, what are we doing Fed Week? Fed, like, you know how Discovery Channel does Shark Week, you do Fed Week, and you bring on everyone who's been called a Fed on the, on the media, like Thomas Russo, Patriot Front, Hammer from the Blood Tribe Jacob Hassan from the NSN, Thomas Suel, all these guys getting like this dis, disbanded because they're organizing in Australia, being thrown in jail for using freedom of speech, like, don't you think that would, that would take off? You, let me tell you, if the Blood Tribe people Aren't feds, they, they should be. I mean, my God, I just talked to him yesterday. I love Hammer. Chris is awesome. Hey, guys, he's a nice guy. Pull up, like, one guy that sharpens his teeth. Oh, that guy, listen, that guy was an informant for sure. That, that guy? Oh. You're actually right about that. That guy definitely looked like a meth head. Tattoos all over his face. You're talking about the bone, the bonehead or what's his name, boneface? Yeah. He's like, I work in Ukraine with the CIA. He got, he's a liar. He was faking all that, just a bad actor. And that happens time to time. You saw with the SPLC, they, they get people on drugs charges or they pay people to infiltrate. I'm just saying, I look at those guys in TV interviews, they all look like they're on ten lines of methamphetamine, completely out of their gourds, man. But Some of them do, but a lot of these guys are pretty eloquent. Meanwhile, meanwhile, I sent it back to Charlottesville, that it was, it was a bunch of the gay theater classes, and it turned out it was actually led by-- when I first saw it, I said, "That's a bunch of gay dudes," and it was literally, it was former Obama managers for the, from the towns for his campaigns who were, who were, you know, who did the Charlottesville thing, and it came out that was the feds. And, and so almost I wouldn't say it's all feds. I, I'd say that, that, you know, they probably infiltrate to a certain, certain extent, but the Jews are, are afraid of white people getting organized. That's why they make it impossible for us. That's why, like, Return of the Land and Arvoll, these guys are being sued. Yeah, well, white people aren't gonna organize if we're led by, by, by the Blood Tribe. Well, look, I, I challenge you to have Chris on, okay? You would be very impressed. He's a very smart guy. Don't let the tattoos and muscle fool you, he's very smart. And so is Thomas Sowell, and so is Thomas Russo. Did, have you ever had Thomas Russo on from Patriot Front? I know, I, I think he's been on the other shows. You need to bring him on, and you need to bring on Thomas Sowell, 'cause Thomas Sowell's been thrown in jail for a year for simply organizing white people in Australia, and they I don't think somebody with tattoos has low IQ. tattoos are cool, a bunch of people are into, I just don't have time to mess with it. To me, it's, I don't even say it's, it's almost like It's almost like a preening thing. It's kind of like the guy that leads Patriot Front, all those little symbols, his little outfits, it's all it's a little, little, little gay for me. It's just, I just get gaydar going off there. I'm not saying he is, but, you know, like- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm starting to call you out on this. You're saying it's a little gay, but you had a tranny on your show. 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